Date: 27/11/2020 23:51:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1656342
Subject: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Even those of us who can’t play a musical instrument or lack a sense of rhythm can perceive and enjoy music. Are we alone?

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Date: 28/11/2020 14:11:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1656527
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Tau.Neutrino said:


Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Even those of us who can’t play a musical instrument or lack a sense of rhythm can perceive and enjoy music. Are we alone?

more…

Are we? Interesting question.

A way to test the answer would be to find a species that, like humans, suffers from earworms.

ie. given an animal species play a possible earworm to it, and measure how long that impairs logical reasoning after the melody is switched off.

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Date: 28/11/2020 14:16:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1656529
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Even those of us who can’t play a musical instrument or lack a sense of rhythm can perceive and enjoy music. Are we alone?

more…

Are we? Interesting question.

A way to test the answer would be to find a species that, like humans, suffers from earworms.

ie. given an animal species play a possible earworm to it, and measure how long that impairs logical reasoning after the melody is switched off.

Heh and you are a bird watcher, indeed.

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Date: 28/11/2020 14:24:23
From: dv
ID: 1656530
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Surprised there is nothing in here about cetaceans

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Date: 28/11/2020 14:26:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1656531
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

dv said:


Surprised there is nothing in here about cetaceans

Would have got around to it but it is always good to leave more room for more discussion.

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Date: 28/11/2020 14:42:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1656535
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Tau.Neutrino said:


Even those of us who can’t play a musical instrument or lack a sense of rhythm can perceive and enjoy music.

can those of us really, though

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Date: 28/11/2020 14:44:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1656536
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

SCIENCE said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Even those of us who can’t play a musical instrument or lack a sense of rhythm can perceive and enjoy music.

can those of us really, though

A person upon hearing a musician play, said “I’d give half my life to be able to play like that”.
The musician replied, “I did”.

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Date: 28/11/2020 14:50:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1656538
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Even those of us who can’t play a musical instrument or lack a sense of rhythm can perceive and enjoy music.

can those of us really, though

A person upon hearing a musician play, said “I’d give half my life to be able to play like that”.
The musician replied, “I did”.

Here’s another story about vocal intonation and exceptionalism.

… during the Northern Song Dynasty, there was a very skilled archer named Chen Yaozi. He never missed a bull’s eye and his students gave him the nickname “magic archer.” Chen was very proud of his skill and believed he was the best archer in the world.

One day, while shooting arrows, Chen attracted a large crowd of onlookers that began to cheer him on. Among the crowd, there was an old, oil peddler who just shook his head and did not seem at all impressed.

Surprised, Chen asked the oil peddler: “Can you do this?”

The peddler replied: “No, I can’t.”

Chen then asked: “What do you think of my archery?”

The oil peddler answered: “It is okay, but nothing special; all it takes is practice.”

This made Chen quite unhappy. One of his students said to the peddler: “No one can compare with my master’s skill in archery. How dare you underestimate my master’s skill?”

Without saying a word, the oil peddler took a bottle, placed it on the ground, and put a copper coin with a square hole in the center over the top of the bottle. He then poured oil from a wooden ladle into the bottle, without spilling a single drop on the coin.

The onlookers watched in amazement. The old oil peddler turned to Chen and said: “That was also nothing. I can do this because I have practiced it a lot. Skill comes from practice.”

With these words, the oil peddler left and the crowd became quiet.

The old peddler’s words made Chen feel very ashamed of his previous arrogant behavior. From that point on, he became more modest and practiced archery even more diligently. Soon after, he became known not only for his excellent archery skills, but also for his kind personality.

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Date: 28/11/2020 16:03:22
From: sibeen
ID: 1656541
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

dv said:


Surprised there is nothing in here about cetaceans

Yeah, and whales, I reckon they should have got a mention as well.

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Date: 28/11/2020 16:19:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1656544
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

sibeen said:


dv said:

Surprised there is nothing in here about cetaceans

Yeah, and whales, I reckon they should have got a mention as well.

And talking of ear-worms:

Whales, Whales, bloody great fishes are Whales.
They swim in the sea
We eat them for tea
Bloody great fishes are Whales.

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Date: 28/11/2020 16:27:54
From: transition
ID: 1656548
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

of written music, music that did or might get written down, humans are the only known species that would qualify, no question

birds of course are musical (to humans, some are to my ear), it could be easily argued, some species tunes, perhaps many, probably more than one species were introduced to Australia for that reason, the pleasant sounds

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Date: 28/11/2020 16:30:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1656550
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

transition said:


of written music, music that did or might get written down, humans are the only known species that would qualify, no question

birds of course are musical (to humans, some are to my ear), it could be easily argued, some species tunes, perhaps many, probably more than one species were introduced to Australia for that reason, the pleasant sounds

And what of frogs?

Not very tuneful, perhaps, but they sure got rhythm.

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Date: 28/11/2020 16:32:57
From: transition
ID: 1656552
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

of written music, music that did or might get written down, humans are the only known species that would qualify, no question

birds of course are musical (to humans, some are to my ear), it could be easily argued, some species tunes, perhaps many, probably more than one species were introduced to Australia for that reason, the pleasant sounds

And what of frogs?

Not very tuneful, perhaps, but they sure got rhythm.

probably sounds like music to a potential mate, call it mood music for frog courtship

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Date: 28/11/2020 16:37:46
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1656560
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

yes.

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Date: 28/11/2020 17:01:29
From: transition
ID: 1656574
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

might’ve got it from comedy, but someone was poking fun at someone and said something like they think a wind chime is a musical instrument, funny as it was there’s perhaps an interesting question in that

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Date: 28/11/2020 17:02:36
From: Arts
ID: 1656577
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

transition said:


might’ve got it from comedy, but someone was poking fun at someone and said something like they think a wind chime is a musical instrument, funny as it was there’s perhaps an interesting question in that

for jazz maybe…

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Date: 28/11/2020 17:03:37
From: transition
ID: 1656579
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

Arts said:


transition said:

might’ve got it from comedy, but someone was poking fun at someone and said something like they think a wind chime is a musical instrument, funny as it was there’s perhaps an interesting question in that

for jazz maybe…

chuckle

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Date: 29/11/2020 05:51:03
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1656754
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

What about the palm cockatoo? The male of the species uses acoustic sounds he makes by striking log hollows to attract a mate.

https://youtu.be/G1VlezTRVnI

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Date: 29/11/2020 06:21:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1656755
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

monkey skipper said:


What about the palm cockatoo? The male of the species uses acoustic sounds he makes by striking log hollows to attract a mate.

https://youtu.be/G1VlezTRVnI

but what are sounds that are not acoustic

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Date: 29/11/2020 06:23:18
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1656757
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

SCIENCE said:


monkey skipper said:

What about the palm cockatoo? The male of the species uses acoustic sounds he makes by striking log hollows to attract a mate.

https://youtu.be/G1VlezTRVnI

but what are sounds that are not acoustic

That’s pay per view.

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Date: 29/11/2020 07:28:12
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1656763
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

SCIENCE said:


monkey skipper said:

What about the palm cockatoo? The male of the species uses acoustic sounds he makes by striking log hollows to attract a mate.

https://youtu.be/G1VlezTRVnI

but what are sounds that are not acoustic

What about them ? My guess is both are considered in this OP?

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Date: 29/11/2020 07:37:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1656765
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

sorry we were just confused as one meaning of acoustic essentially means “relating to sound”

but yes we agree many other animals seem to have some appreciation for music so the article is a bit exceptionalist

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:19:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694350
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

transition said:


of written music, music that did or might get written down, humans are the only known species that would qualify, no question

birds of course are musical (to humans, some are to my ear), it could be easily argued, some species tunes, perhaps many, probably more than one species were introduced to Australia for that reason, the pleasant sounds

Can’t think of an introduced bird that has pleasnt sounds offhand.

FOLI (there is no movement without rhythm) original version

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:32:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694368
Subject: re: Are Humans the Only Musical Species?

roughbarked said:


transition said:

of written music, music that did or might get written down, humans are the only known species that would qualify, no question

birds of course are musical (to humans, some are to my ear), it could be easily argued, some species tunes, perhaps many, probably more than one species were introduced to Australia for that reason, the pleasant sounds

Can’t think of an introduced bird that has pleasnt sounds offhand.

FOLI (there is no movement without rhythm) original version

Found it amusing that it finished with Ka dook a doom pa.

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