consider the possibility, some might argue likelihood, or that it’s even a certainty, that the force of ideas and thought more generally are generated by accidents, a history of accidents, biological accidents, through bio-history, that brains are accidents, each persons brain is an accident, the wetwares are largely an accident, the cognitive tools you have are the outcome of accidents

this is not quite the same as saying the force of thought and ideas are an accident, perhaps, but it maybe worth considering for a moment

anyway, I have a hunch how a person might deal with this proposition could reveal something of the backgrounds of personal philosophy, and political views, perhaps it’s an interesting psychological question, or maybe it’s a shit question, totally pointless

whatever anyway, there are to me, seems to be, native paradoxes in the force of thought being generated by accidents, potentially useful paradoxes maybe

if such paradoxes exist, where is the human species at regard the force of knowing, will it at some point seek to abandon the history of accidents to further knowing, and to that end eradicate references to accidents, and let it never be said everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

transition said:

consider the possibility, some might argue likelihood, or that it’s even a certainty, that the force of ideas and thought more generally are generated by accidents, a history of accidents, biological accidents, through bio-history, that brains are accidents, each persons brain is an accident, the wetwares are largely an accident, the cognitive tools you have are the outcome of accidents

this is not quite the same as saying the force of thought and ideas are an accident, perhaps, but it maybe worth considering for a moment

anyway, I have a hunch how a person might deal with this proposition could reveal something of the backgrounds of personal philosophy, and political views, perhaps it’s an interesting psychological question, or maybe it’s a shit question, totally pointless

whatever anyway, there are to me, seems to be, native paradoxes in the force of thought being generated by accidents, potentially useful paradoxes maybe

if such paradoxes exist, where is the human species at regard the force of knowing, will it at some point seek to abandon the history of accidents to further knowing, and to that end eradicate references to accidents, and let it never be said everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

Bake beans on toast again? You ought to get another addition, those beans can trash the mind.

> everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

Your use of the term “accidents” is not entirely justified. There are various interactive deterministic processes (such as “natural selection” in evolution) that make some outcomes much more likely than others.

Bubblecar said:

> everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

Your use of the term “accidents” is not entirely justified. There are various interactive deterministic processes (such as “natural selection” in evolution) that make some outcomes much more likely than others.

agreed, although evolution may be influenced by genetics, mutations are random chance then again how things play out can often be attributed to a series of seemingly meaningless choices.

there are children’s books written to have variable outcomes influenced by binary choices.

Bubblecar said:

> everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

Your use of the term “accidents” is not entirely justified. There are various interactive deterministic processes (such as “natural selection” in evolution) that make some outcomes much more likely than others.

so, if I took what you said for a walk, would you argue maybe that being born blind, or colorblind, is more of an accident than being born with normal sight?, just to pick a random example off the top of my head to work with

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

> everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

Your use of the term “accidents” is not entirely justified. There are various interactive deterministic processes (such as “natural selection” in evolution) that make some outcomes much more likely than others.

so, if I took what you said for a walk, would you argue maybe that being born blind, or colorblind, is more of an accident than being born with normal sight?, just to pick a random example off the top of my head to work with

Colour blindness is a usually a genetic (hereditary) condition (you are born with it). Red/green and blue colour blindness is usually passed down from your parents. The gene which is responsible for the condition is carried on the X chromosome and this is the reason why many more men are affected than women.

What Causes Blindness? Vision problems can develop before a baby is born. Sometimes, parts of the eyes don’t form the way they should. … Blindness can be genetic (or inherited), which means that this problem gets passed down to a kid from parents through genes.

generally if something is an accident it is outside of intentions (unintended, or unwanted), the intentions could be those of an individual person, a group of persons, groups, or even built into the expected behavior of a machine, or system. I’m not sure about casual attribution of intention/s to DNA and evolution

the world outside of the sphere of human intentions is vast, that of the world that doesn’t yield to human intention/s, which includes things within human beings that don’t yield to intention, for example I can’t will the sensation of the color red to be the sensation of the color blue, no matter the force of thought and ideas I summon and apply, which is significant given the color red as sensed doesn’t really exist

by some accident way back in bio-history I am committed to sensing red that way, by some theme of accidents that replicate/d

i’d ask is it any less of an accident if whatever replicates many times over, or is it an accident replicated

transition said:

generally if something is an accident it is outside of intentions (unintended, or unwanted), the intentions could be those of an individual person, a group of persons, groups, or even built into the expected behavior of a machine, or system. I’m not sure about casual attribution of intention/s to DNA and evolution

the world outside of the sphere of human intentions is vast, that of the world that doesn’t yield to human intention/s, which includes things within human beings that don’t yield to intention, for example I can’t will the sensation of the color red to be the sensation of the color blue, no matter the force of thought and ideas I summon and apply, which is significant given the color red as sensed doesn’t really exist

by some accident way back in bio-history I am committed to sensing red that way, by some theme of accidents that replicate/d

i’d ask is it any less of an accident if whatever replicates many times over, or is it an accident replicated

I bet a significant number of human conceptions are an accident

Cymek said:

transition said:

generally if something is an accident it is outside of intentions (unintended, or unwanted), the intentions could be those of an individual person, a group of persons, groups, or even built into the expected behavior of a machine, or system. I’m not sure about casual attribution of intention/s to DNA and evolution

the world outside of the sphere of human intentions is vast, that of the world that doesn’t yield to human intention/s, which includes things within human beings that don’t yield to intention, for example I can’t will the sensation of the color red to be the sensation of the color blue, no matter the force of thought and ideas I summon and apply, which is significant given the color red as sensed doesn’t really exist

by some accident way back in bio-history I am committed to sensing red that way, by some theme of accidents that replicate/d

i’d ask is it any less of an accident if whatever replicates many times over, or is it an accident replicated

I bet a significant number of human conceptions are an accident

Then its over to DNA

transition said:

consider the possibility, some might argue likelihood, or that it’s even a certainty, that the force of ideas and thought more generally are generated by accidents, a history of accidents, biological accidents, through bio-history, that brains are accidents, each persons brain is an accident, the wetwares are largely an accident, the cognitive tools you have are the outcome of accidents

this is not quite the same as saying the force of thought and ideas are an accident, perhaps, but it maybe worth considering for a moment

anyway, I have a hunch how a person might deal with this proposition could reveal something of the backgrounds of personal philosophy, and political views, perhaps it’s an interesting psychological question, or maybe it’s a shit question, totally pointless

whatever anyway, there are to me, seems to be, native paradoxes in the force of thought being generated by accidents, potentially useful paradoxes maybe

if such paradoxes exist, where is the human species at regard the force of knowing, will it at some point seek to abandon the history of accidents to further knowing, and to that end eradicate references to accidents, and let it never be said everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

hard to untangle what’s being said here..
..but the entire discussion has peaked my curiosity
maybe someone here smarter than myself can help me out here:

ever since I kicked and was subsequently resuscitated a few years back
I noticed that I’d developed a curious “condition” that I’d hadn’t yet noticed until
after my last visit with my neurologist;

At first I thought I could smell cigarette smoke from someone across the street,
but over time came to realize that I was also “smelling” cigarette smoke whenever
someone lit up even on TV… finally realized I could smell the smoke at the mere
mention of cigarettes …curiouser and curiouser…

Anyway, it has it’s upsides and downsides,
as can also smell roses just by thinking of them
but can also smell a skunk at the mere mention of one.

so, to all of you smart peeps; what have I accidentally done to myself? /-:

Ogmog said:

transition said:

consider the possibility, some might argue likelihood, or that it’s even a certainty, that the force of ideas and thought more generally are generated by accidents, a history of accidents, biological accidents, through bio-history, that brains are accidents, each persons brain is an accident, the wetwares are largely an accident, the cognitive tools you have are the outcome of accidents

this is not quite the same as saying the force of thought and ideas are an accident, perhaps, but it maybe worth considering for a moment

anyway, I have a hunch how a person might deal with this proposition could reveal something of the backgrounds of personal philosophy, and political views, perhaps it’s an interesting psychological question, or maybe it’s a shit question, totally pointless

whatever anyway, there are to me, seems to be, native paradoxes in the force of thought being generated by accidents, potentially useful paradoxes maybe

if such paradoxes exist, where is the human species at regard the force of knowing, will it at some point seek to abandon the history of accidents to further knowing, and to that end eradicate references to accidents, and let it never be said everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

hard to untangle what’s being said here..
..but the entire discussion has peaked my curiosity
maybe someone here smarter than myself can help me out here:

ever since I kicked and was subsequently resuscitated a few years back
I noticed that I’d developed a curious “condition” that I’d hadn’t yet noticed until
after my last visit with my neurologist;

At first I thought I could smell cigarette smoke from someone across the street,
but over time came to realize that I was also “smelling” cigarette smoke whenever
someone lit up even on TV… finally realized I could smell the smoke at the mere
mention of cigarettes …curiouser and curiouser…

Anyway, it has it’s upsides and downsides,
as can also smell roses just by thinking of them
but can also smell a skunk at the mere mention of one.

so, to all of you smart peeps; what have I accidentally done to myself? /-:

I have no idea what you’ve done – rocks are my thing.

You should join us in chat some time – various people have been leaving messages there for you to read.

You can get to chat via the “By Time” button above.

Ogmog said:

transition said:

consider the possibility, some might argue likelihood, or that it’s even a certainty, that the force of ideas and thought more generally are generated by accidents, a history of accidents, biological accidents, through bio-history, that brains are accidents, each persons brain is an accident, the wetwares are largely an accident, the cognitive tools you have are the outcome of accidents

this is not quite the same as saying the force of thought and ideas are an accident, perhaps, but it maybe worth considering for a moment

anyway, I have a hunch how a person might deal with this proposition could reveal something of the backgrounds of personal philosophy, and political views, perhaps it’s an interesting psychological question, or maybe it’s a shit question, totally pointless

whatever anyway, there are to me, seems to be, native paradoxes in the force of thought being generated by accidents, potentially useful paradoxes maybe

if such paradoxes exist, where is the human species at regard the force of knowing, will it at some point seek to abandon the history of accidents to further knowing, and to that end eradicate references to accidents, and let it never be said everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

hard to untangle what’s being said here..
..but the entire discussion has peaked my curiosity
maybe someone here smarter than myself can help me out here:

ever since I kicked and was subsequently resuscitated a few years back
I noticed that I’d developed a curious “condition” that I’d hadn’t yet noticed until
after my last visit with my neurologist;

At first I thought I could smell cigarette smoke from someone across the street,
but over time came to realize that I was also “smelling” cigarette smoke whenever
someone lit up even on TV… finally realized I could smell the smoke at the mere
mention of cigarettes …curiouser and curiouser…

Anyway, it has it’s upsides and downsides,
as can also smell roses just by thinking of them
but can also smell a skunk at the mere mention of one.

so, to all of you smart peeps; what have I accidentally done to myself? /-:

Phantosmia (phantom smell), also called an olfactory hallucination or a phantom odor is smelling an odor that is not actually there. It can occur in one nostril or both. Unpleasant phantosmia, cacosmia, is more common and is often described as smelling something that is burned, foul, spoiled, or rotten. Experiencing occasional phantom smells is normal and usually goes away on its own in time. When hallucinations of this type do not seem to go away or when they keep coming back, it can be very upsetting and can disrupt an individual’s quality of life.

Olfactory hallucinations can be caused by common medical conditions such as nasal infections, nasal polyps, or dental problems. It can result from neurological conditions such as migraines, head injuries, strokes, Parkinson’s disease, seizures, or brain tumors. It can also be a symptom of certain mental disorders such as depression, bipolar disorder, intoxication or withdrawal from drugs and alcohol, or psychotic disorders. Environmental exposures are sometimes the cause as well, such as smoking, exposure to certain types of chemicals (e.g., insecticides or solvents), or radiation treatment for head or neck cancer.

A physician can determine if the problem is with the sense of smell (olfactory system) or taste (gustatory system), or if it is caused by a neurological or psychiatric disorder. Phantosmia usually goes away on its own, though this can sometimes be gradual and occur over several years. When caused by an illness (e.g., sinusitis), it should go away when the illness resolves. If the problem persists or causes significant discomfort, a doctor might recommend nasal saline drops, antidepressant or anticonvulsant medications, anesthesia to parts of the nose, or in very rare circumstances, surgical procedures to remove the olfactory nerves or bulbs.

More:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantosmia

Ogmog said:

transition said:

consider the possibility, some might argue likelihood, or that it’s even a certainty, that the force of ideas and thought more generally are generated by accidents, a history of accidents, biological accidents, through bio-history, that brains are accidents, each persons brain is an accident, the wetwares are largely an accident, the cognitive tools you have are the outcome of accidents

this is not quite the same as saying the force of thought and ideas are an accident, perhaps, but it maybe worth considering for a moment

anyway, I have a hunch how a person might deal with this proposition could reveal something of the backgrounds of personal philosophy, and political views, perhaps it’s an interesting psychological question, or maybe it’s a shit question, totally pointless

whatever anyway, there are to me, seems to be, native paradoxes in the force of thought being generated by accidents, potentially useful paradoxes maybe

if such paradoxes exist, where is the human species at regard the force of knowing, will it at some point seek to abandon the history of accidents to further knowing, and to that end eradicate references to accidents, and let it never be said everything is in a substantial way an accident, the entirely of nature is largely that

hard to untangle what’s being said here..
..but the entire discussion has peaked my curiosity
maybe someone here smarter than myself can help me out here:

ever since I kicked and was subsequently resuscitated a few years back
I noticed that I’d developed a curious “condition” that I’d hadn’t yet noticed until
after my last visit with my neurologist;

At first I thought I could smell cigarette smoke from someone across the street,
but over time came to realize that I was also “smelling” cigarette smoke whenever
someone lit up even on TV… finally realized I could smell the smoke at the mere
mention of cigarettes …curiouser and curiouser…

Anyway, it has it’s upsides and downsides,
as can also smell roses just by thinking of them
but can also smell a skunk at the mere mention of one.

so, to all of you smart peeps; what have I accidentally done to myself? /-:

The condition is called phantosmia; it’s relatively rare, but occurs most frequently in girls and women aged 15 – 30, with increased incidence if the woman’s pregnant. There are a number of other potential and theorised causes, including Parkinson’s disease, stroke, and neuroblastoma, a rare form of cancer that starts in the olfactory nerve; the condition has been found to co-exist with conditions like schizophrenia, depression, epilepsy, and Alzheimer’s disease.

Please see a doctor.

google’s your friend(?)

never mind
it seems to be just another symptom
of the Lyme disease which manifested
@ roughly the same time (few years ago)

Ogmog said:

google’s your friend(?)

never mind
it seems to be just another symptom
of the Lyme disease which manifested
@ roughly the same time (few years ago)

Certainly sounds like some neurological thing in your case. The smells seem to be triggered by the associated words.

Ogmog said:

google’s your friend(?)

never mind
it seems to be just another symptom
of the Lyme disease which manifested
@ roughly the same time (few years ago)

Amazing how such a tiny insect (arachnid) can totally wreck your entire life. )-: “

Bubblecar said:

Ogmog said:

google’s your friend(?)

never mind
it seems to be just another symptom
of the Lyme disease which manifested
@ roughly the same time (few years ago)

Certainly sounds like some neurological thing in your case. The smells seem to be triggered by the associated words.

not just words,
I can smell the artificial bouquet of roses near my desk
or perfume during commercials,
or skunks stinking to high heaven

Ogmog said:

Bubblecar said:

Ogmog said:

google’s your friend(?)

never mind
it seems to be just another symptom
of the Lyme disease which manifested
@ roughly the same time (few years ago)

Certainly sounds like some neurological thing in your case. The smells seem to be triggered by the associated words.

not just words,
I can smell the artificial bouquet of roses near my desk
or perfume during commercials,
or skunks stinking to high heaven

If you knew exactly what was going on you might be able to patent that ability :)

Could be very useful, for example, in computer games, to be able to smell the imaginary world you’re interacting with.

Michael V said:

I have no idea what you’ve done – rocks are my thing.

You should join us in chat some time – various people have been leaving messages there for you to read.

You can get to chat via the “By Time” button above.

you’re the 2nd member who told me that
but there’s too many cross conversations
going on there for my fuzzy brain to process

perhaps we can create a
“person who scribbles on scribbly gums thread” by time ;-)

Ogmog said:

Michael V said:

I have no idea what you’ve done – rocks are my thing.

You should join us in chat some time – various people have been leaving messages there for you to read.

You can get to chat via the “By Time” button above.

you’re the 2nd member who told me that
but there’s too many cross conversations
going on there for my fuzzy brain to process

perhaps we can create a
“person who scribbles on scribbly gums thread” by time ;-)

No Worries.

:)

Bubblecar said:

Ogmog said:

Bubblecar said:

Certainly sounds like some neurological thing in your case. The smells seem to be triggered by the associated words.

not just words,
I can smell the artificial bouquet of roses near my desk
or perfume during commercials,
or skunks stinking to high heaven

If you knew exactly what was going on you might be able to patent that ability :)

Could be very useful, for example, in computer games, to be able to smell the imaginary world you’re interacting with.

…as long as you could turn it off when you set aside the controls…

because even though it doesn’t really bother me (that much),
it’s annoying not to be able to trust a basic survival mechanism

example: I’m currently binge watching Chicago Fire