https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-13/country-singer-charley-pride-dies-from-coronavirus-at-86/12978934

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-13/country-singer-charley-pride-dies-from-coronavirus-at-86/12978934

poor fella.

Not a nice way to go.

Precautions against releasing vaccine are excessive.

Some breaking news from Reuters, which is reporting that President Donald Trump, Vice-President Mike Pence and other top US officials will be offered the COVID-19 vaccine tomorrow.

Reuters is also reporting that essential personnel in the White House and officials in the three branches of US government will be vaccinated in the next 10 days.

No mention of Biden and his team getting any.

I am just so nervous. To the point of being seriously frightened.

I posted my theories about the murderous mishandling of coronavirus vaccine release delays to my nephew, who is a research leader for four projects in drug development for a major pharma company.

I now have a reply from him, but am too chicken to read it.

mollwollfumble said:

I am just so nervous. To the point of being seriously frightened.

I posted my theories about the murderous mishandling of coronavirus vaccine release delays to my nephew, who is a research leader for four projects in drug development for a major pharma company.

I now have a reply from him, but am too chicken to read it.

I have a question.
I am aware that a drug is defined as a substance which alters our state.
However, does a vaccine fall under the same description?

mollwollfumble said:

I am just so nervous. To the point of being seriously frightened.

I posted my theories about the murderous mishandling of coronavirus vaccine release delays to my nephew, who is a research leader for four projects in drug development for a major pharma company.

I now have a reply from him, but am too chicken to read it.

Because he’s going to think that you’re a nutter?

sarahs mum said:

:)

sarahs mum said:

Zing

slapped on the wrist

New Zealand Government had to make sure there were contingencies in place in case there were Australian outbreaks.

“And it’s not a hypothetical. There have been several,” she said.

check out these minor complications of this just a mild ‘flu’ problem

SCIENCE said:

check out these minor complications of this just a mild ‘flu’ problem

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.10.20247205v3

phyxt

Evidence That NSW Is Not Part Of Australia

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1338120658534842368

There is a misunderstanding of the difference between the response in much of the West, versus successful countries (including New Zealand and Australia).

8.We have to “live with the virus” versus we can eliminate the virus and return to normal social and economic conditions.

SCIENCE said:

Evidence That NSW Is Not Part Of Australia

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1338120658534842368

There is a misunderstanding of the difference between the response in much of the West, versus successful countries (including New Zealand and Australia).

8.We have to “live with the virus” versus we can eliminate the virus and return to normal social and economic conditions.

wha??

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Evidence That NSW Is Not Part Of Australia

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1338120658534842368

There is a misunderstanding of the difference between the response in much of the West, versus successful countries (including New Zealand and Australia).

8.We have to “live with the virus” versus we can eliminate the virus and return to normal social and economic conditions.

wha??

Federal and NSW Liberal wanted to live with the virus but Yaneer Bar-Yam claims in the linked feed that Australia is a successful country that took the view that “we can eliminate the virus and return to normal social and economic conditions”.

Also, “The best way to live with COVID-19 is to live without it,” Bowtell says. “That’s not pious hope. If you don’t go for elimination and you come out with this idea there’s a stable rate of transmission that can be obtained in a society – which is wrong – then you run the real risk of mistakes being made again and heading into Lockdown 3.0.”

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Evidence That NSW Is Not Part Of Australia

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1338120658534842368

There is a misunderstanding of the difference between the response in much of the West, versus successful countries (including New Zealand and Australia).

8.We have to “live with the virus” versus we can eliminate the virus and return to normal social and economic conditions.

wha??

Federal and NSW Liberal wanted to live with the virus but Yaneer Bar-Yam claims in the linked feed that Australia is a successful country that took the view that “we can eliminate the virus and return to normal social and economic conditions”.

Also, “The best way to live with COVID-19 is to live without it,” Bowtell says. “That’s not pious hope. If you don’t go for elimination and you come out with this idea there’s a stable rate of transmission that can be obtained in a society – which is wrong – then you run the real risk of mistakes being made again and heading into Lockdown 3.0.”

But that is not the plan today.

First national leader to die of COVID-19.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/eswatinis-prime-minister-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid/12983034

Michael V said:

First national leader to die of COVID-19.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/eswatinis-prime-minister-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid/12983034

TIL there’s a place called Eswatini.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

First national leader to die of COVID-19.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/eswatinis-prime-minister-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid/12983034

TIL there’s a place called Eswatini.

Blew me away too.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

First national leader to die of COVID-19.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/eswatinis-prime-minister-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid/12983034

TIL there’s a place called Eswatini.

eSwatini
A small landlocked kingdom in southern Africa, bounded by South Africa and Mozambique; population 1,300,000 (estimated 2015); official languages, Swazi and English; capital, Mbabane. The kingdom was a South African protectorate from 1894 and came under British rule in 1902 after the Second Boer War. In 1968 it became a fully independent Commonwealth state under the name Swaziland. It changed its name to eSwatini in 2018.Former name Swaziland.

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

First national leader to die of COVID-19.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/eswatinis-prime-minister-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid/12983034

TIL there’s a place called Eswatini.

eSwatini
A small landlocked kingdom in southern Africa, bounded by South Africa and Mozambique; population 1,300,000 (estimated 2015); official languages, Swazi and English; capital, Mbabane. The kingdom was a South African protectorate from 1894 and came under British rule in 1902 after the Second Boer War. In 1968 it became a fully independent Commonwealth state under the name Swaziland. It changed its name to eSwatini in 2018.Former name Swaziland.

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

TIL there’s a place called Eswatini.

eSwatini
A small landlocked kingdom in southern Africa, bounded by South Africa and Mozambique; population 1,300,000 (estimated 2015); official languages, Swazi and English; capital, Mbabane. The kingdom was a South African protectorate from 1894 and came under British rule in 1902 after the Second Boer War. In 1968 it became a fully independent Commonwealth state under the name Swaziland. It changed its name to eSwatini in 2018.Former name Swaziland.

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

eSwatini
A small landlocked kingdom in southern Africa, bounded by South Africa and Mozambique; population 1,300,000 (estimated 2015); official languages, Swazi and English; capital, Mbabane. The kingdom was a South African protectorate from 1894 and came under British rule in 1902 after the Second Boer War. In 1968 it became a fully independent Commonwealth state under the name Swaziland. It changed its name to eSwatini in 2018.Former name Swaziland.

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

All the occurrences of the name on the abc page use E

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

All the occurrences of the name on the abc page use E

TATE says it is sometimes written as eSwatini.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

All the occurrences of the name on the abc page use E

Same on wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini
But at least on wiki they attempt to explain why it is sometimes written this way iin English
eg: (siSwati in native form)

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

All the occurrences of the name on the abc page use E

TATE says it is sometimes written as eSwatini.

Yes it is.

The government is an absolute monarchy, ruled by King Mswati III since 1986.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

eSwatini
A small landlocked kingdom in southern Africa, bounded by South Africa and Mozambique; population 1,300,000 (estimated 2015); official languages, Swazi and English; capital, Mbabane. The kingdom was a South African protectorate from 1894 and came under British rule in 1902 after the Second Boer War. In 1968 it became a fully independent Commonwealth state under the name Swaziland. It changed its name to eSwatini in 2018.Former name Swaziland.

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

Google says that eSwatini means “land of the Swazis”, so maybe the “Swazi” part of the name is more significant than the “Land of”.

Dark Orange said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

Google says that eSwatini means “land of the Swazis”, so maybe the “Swazi” part of the name is more significant than the “Land of”.

Botswana has similar spellings.

Dark Orange said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Ah. I’d heard of Swaziland.

I wonder what the significance of the little e big S is.

Google says that eSwatini means “land of the Swazis”, so maybe the “Swazi” part of the name is more significant than the “Land of”.

Anglicization of the sounds heard in the native tongue.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

First national leader to die of COVID-19.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/eswatinis-prime-minister-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid/12983034

TIL there’s a place called Eswatini.

Blew me away too.

It only counts if it is somewhere we have heard of.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

TIL there’s a place called Eswatini.

Blew me away too.

It only counts if it is somewhere we have heard of.

Have you heard of Swaziland?

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Blew me away too.

It only counts if it is somewhere we have heard of.

Have you heard of Swaziland?

yes.

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

It only counts if it is somewhere we have heard of.

Have you heard of Swaziland?

yes.

Was Swaziland, now eSwatini

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

Have you heard of Swaziland?

yes.

Was Swaziland, now eSwatini

absolute monarchy though so it’d be more equivalent to our governor general dying perhaps

Good News For Let It Rip

Flock Immunity In Less Time

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk/12983940

There’s been a concerning shift in the battle against Covid-19 after it was revealed a new variant of coronavirus has been identified in the UK.

The British Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the mutated virus might be leading to the faster spread of the disease.

SCIENCE said:

Good News For Let It Rip

Flock Immunity In Less Time

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk/12983940

There’s been a concerning shift in the battle against Covid-19 after it was revealed a new variant of coronavirus has been identified in the UK.

The British Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the mutated virus might be leading to the faster spread of the disease.

Wouldn’t that mean little or no herd immunity. Immune to one strain susceptible to new ones.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News For Let It Rip

Flock Immunity In Less Time

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk/12983940

There’s been a concerning shift in the battle against Covid-19 after it was revealed a new variant of coronavirus has been identified in the UK.

The British Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the mutated virus might be leading to the faster spread of the disease.

Wouldn’t that mean little or no herd immunity. Immune to one strain susceptible to new ones.

Unknown

Ian said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News For Let It Rip

Flock Immunity In Less Time

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk/12983940

There’s been a concerning shift in the battle against Covid-19 after it was revealed a new variant of coronavirus has been identified in the UK.

The British Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the mutated virus might be leading to the faster spread of the disease.

Wouldn’t that mean little or no herd immunity. Immune to one strain susceptible to new ones.

Unknown

Do we need more unknowns?

roughbarked said:

Ian said:

Tamb said:

Wouldn’t that mean little or no herd immunity. Immune to one strain susceptible to new ones.

Unknown

Do we need more unknowns?

yeah we were having a go but it could well be there is no lasting flock immunity

another reason why eradication should always be the goal

A new variant of the virus causing COVID-19 has been identified in the UK, with the health minister there warning it could be more infectious.

Yet experts around the world say it is not at all unexpected for the SARS-Cov-2 virus to mutate, and there is no evidence yet that this new variant will be harder to control with vaccines.

—

no worries, experts around the world said it was not human to human transmissible, it was not highly lethal, it was not airborne, it was not dangerous to children, it was not transmitted by children, it was not going to cause long term illness in “recovered”, it was not spread on frozen food / packaging, it was not going to be bad the second time around, it was not possible to eliminate, it was not preventable by infection control like masks, no worries

SCIENCE said:

A new variant of the virus causing COVID-19 has been identified in the UK, with the health minister there warning it could be more infectious.

Yet experts around the world say it is not at all unexpected for the SARS-Cov-2 virus to mutate, and there is no evidence yet that this new variant will be harder to control with vaccines.

—

no worries, experts around the world said it was not human to human transmissible, it was not highly lethal, it was not airborne, it was not dangerous to children, it was not transmitted by children, it was not going to cause long term illness in “recovered”, it was not spread on frozen food / packaging, it was not going to be bad the second time around, it was not possible to eliminate, it was not preventable by infection control like masks, no worries

Thanks for your expert opinion.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

A new variant of the virus causing COVID-19 has been identified in the UK, with the health minister there warning it could be more infectious.

Yet experts around the world say it is not at all unexpected for the SARS-Cov-2 virus to mutate, and there is no evidence yet that this new variant will be harder to control with vaccines.

—

no worries, experts around the world said it was not human to human transmissible, it was not highly lethal, it was not airborne, it was not dangerous to children, it was not transmitted by children, it was not going to cause long term illness in “recovered”, it was not spread on frozen food / packaging, it was not going to be bad the second time around, it was not possible to eliminate, it was not preventable by infection control like masks, no worries

Thanks for your expert opinion.

we’ve caught a mild ‘flu’ before so you’re welcome

SCIENCE said:

A new variant of the virus causing COVID-19 has been identified in the UK, with the health minister there warning it could be more infectious.

Yet experts around the world say it is not at all unexpected for the SARS-Cov-2 virus to mutate, and there is no evidence yet that this new variant will be harder to control with vaccines.

—

no worries, experts around the world said it was not human to human transmissible, it was not highly lethal, it was not airborne, it was not dangerous to children, it was not transmitted by children, it was not going to cause long term illness in “recovered”, it was not spread on frozen food / packaging, it was not going to be bad the second time around, it was not possible to eliminate, it was not preventable by infection control like masks, no worries

If they had followed the way we did it, they would be in a better postilion.

Looking at this makes me sick at heart. 10,000 new deaths per day. Average.
All unnecessary.

The holocaust of WW II was 1.7 million dead in 6 years. Covid has almost surpassed that in under a year.

mollwollfumble said:

Looking at this makes me sick at heart. 10,000 new deaths per day. Average.
All unnecessary.

The holocaust of WW II was 1.7 million dead in 6 years. Covid has almost surpassed that in under a year.

Over 6 million died in the Holocaust.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Looking at this makes me sick at heart. 10,000 new deaths per day. Average.
All unnecessary.

The holocaust of WW II was 1.7 million dead in 6 years. Covid has almost surpassed that in under a year.

Over 6 million died in the Holocaust.

Oops, I was referring to this.

“Operation Reinhard (1942–1943) was the largest single murder campaign of the Holocaust, during which some 1.7 million Jews from German-occupied Poland were murdered by the Nazis. Most perished in gas chambers at the death camps Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka.”

mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Looking at this makes me sick at heart. 10,000 new deaths per day. Average.
All unnecessary.

The holocaust of WW II was 1.7 million dead in 6 years. Covid has almost surpassed that in under a year.

Over 6 million died in the Holocaust.

Oops, I was referring to this.

“Operation Reinhard (1942–1943) was the largest single murder campaign of the Holocaust, during which some 1.7 million Jews from German-occupied Poland were murdered by the Nazis. Most perished in gas chambers at the death camps Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka.”

Janina would remind you that Hitler killed a lot of Polish people.

True, or not?

mollwollfumble said:

True, or not?

I doubt the first is true, but the second is.

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

True, or not?

I doubt the first is true, but the second is.

First is quite a stretch of the truth…

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/australia/coronavirus-australia-beer-energy-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

At the Glenelg Wastewater Treatment Plant to the west of the state capital Adelaide, millions of liters of unused beer from local breweries have been converted into renewable energy to power its water treatment process in recent months.

The plant mixes organic industrial waste with sewage sludge to produce biogas, which is then turned into electricity to power the whole facility. It usually generates enough biogas to provide about 80% of its energy needs.

But the recent influx of beer has boosted its energy generation to new levels, reaching 654 megawatt hours in a single month, Lisa Hannant, senior manager of production and treatment at SA Water, said in a statement.

“By adding around 150,000 litres of expired beer per week, we generated a record 355,200 cubic meters of biogas in May and another 320,000 cubic metres in June, which is enough to power 1,200 houses,” Hannant said.

Note that they don’t mention the average monthly generation figures pre-covid.

However, along with many experts, he noted that there was no evidence that the variant produced worse disease, or that it would evade the emerging vaccines.

Nevertheless, if the variant did spread faster, he said that would result in more illness and more death until the vaccine was fully rolled out.

Mr Hancock said despite the lack of clarity about the new variant, the government had to take “swift and decisive” action.

—

He’s right, imagine if there was some new disease for which there was no evidence that it produced worse disease, or that it would evade the emerging vaccines, indeed, imagine if despite the lack of clarity about the new disease, the government had decided to take “swift and decisive” action from the outset¡

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Looking at this makes me sick at heart. 10,000 new deaths per day. Average.
All unnecessary.

The holocaust of WW II was 1.7 million dead in 6 years. Covid has almost surpassed that in under a year.

Over 6 million died in the Holocaust.

Oops, I was referring to this.

“Operation Reinhard (1942–1943) was the largest single murder campaign of the Holocaust, during which some 1.7 million Jews from German-occupied Poland were murdered by the Nazis. Most perished in gas chambers at the death camps Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka.”

Janina would remind you that Hitler killed a lot of Polish people.

whatever it’s all piss anyway The Economy Must Grow is worth more than a few million jokers who probably contribute jack all, fkem, let them die

Rule 303 said:

USA is still below UK for deaths per million. Sweden is slip sliding down the chart on deaths per million, now down to number 25 on the list.

Dark Orange said:

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

True, or not?

I doubt the first is true, but the second is.

First is quite a stretch of the truth…

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/11/australia/coronavirus-australia-beer-energy-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

At the Glenelg Wastewater Treatment Plant to the west of the state capital Adelaide, millions of liters of unused beer from local breweries have been converted into renewable energy to power its water treatment process in recent months.

The plant mixes organic industrial waste with sewage sludge to produce biogas, which is then turned into electricity to power the whole facility. It usually generates enough biogas to provide about 80% of its energy needs.

But the recent influx of beer has boosted its energy generation to new levels, reaching 654 megawatt hours in a single month, Lisa Hannant, senior manager of production and treatment at SA Water, said in a statement.

“By adding around 150,000 litres of expired beer per week, we generated a record 355,200 cubic meters of biogas in May and another 320,000 cubic metres in June, which is enough to power 1,200 houses,” Hannant said.

Note that they don’t mention the average monthly generation figures pre-covid.

People stretching the truth on the Internet?

Whatever next?

The unstretched story is QI though.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

USA is still below UK for deaths per million. Sweden is slip sliding down the chart on deaths per million, now down to number 25 on the list.

clearly a winning strategy

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

USA is still below UK for deaths per million. Sweden is slip sliding down the chart on deaths per million, now down to number 25 on the list.

Germany is starting to arc up with the second wave numbers.

Australian firm receives FDA approval for ‘breakthrough’ COVID test
Matthew Knott
By Matthew Knott
December 16, 2020 — 6.27am

Washington: Australian diagnostics company Ellume has won approval from US regulators to sell the first rapid at-home COVID-19 tests that don’t require a prescription.

The Brisbane-based company was granted an emergency use authorisation on Wednesday (AEDT) by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to sell its over-the-counter tests.

Stephen Hahn, the head of the FDA, hailed the authorisation as “a major milestone in diagnostic testing for COVID-19”.

Alongside vaccinations, health experts believe rapid at-home testing will provide a crucial tool to bring the pandemic under control.

“By authorising a test for over-the-counter use, the FDA allows it to be sold in places like drug stores, where a patient can buy it, swab their nose, run the test and find out their results in as little as 20 minutes,” Hahn said in a statement.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/australian-firm-receives-fda-approval-for-breakthrough-covid-test-20201216-p56nt5.html

And…

It’s out and about again in NSW.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/nsw-confirms-new-locally-acquired-coronavirus-case/12988866

Michael V said:

And…

It’s out and about again in NSW.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/nsw-confirms-new-locally-acquired-coronavirus-case/12988866

I saw that. But not all that surprising when you read this bit:

>>Mr Hazzard said the man “drives vans carrying international and other aircrew back and forth to the airport” and the company is based in Alexandria, in Sydney’s inner city.<<

Michael V said:

And…

It’s out and about again in NSW.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/nsw-confirms-new-locally-acquired-coronavirus-case/12988866

Clearly they shouldn’t let the dirty feelthy aircrew off their dirty feelthy planes.

Ian said:

Michael V said:

And…

It’s out and about again in NSW.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/nsw-confirms-new-locally-acquired-coronavirus-case/12988866

Clearly they shouldn’t let the dirty feelthy aircrew off their dirty feelthy planes.

LOL

Ian said:

Michael V said:

And…

It’s out and about again in NSW.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/nsw-confirms-new-locally-acquired-coronavirus-case/12988866

Clearly they shouldn’t let the dirty feelthy aircrew off their dirty feelthy planes.

Need the man with aerosol cans to squirt everyone, like in the old days.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

And…

It’s out and about again in NSW.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/nsw-confirms-new-locally-acquired-coronavirus-case/12988866

I saw that. But not all that surprising when you read this bit:

>>Mr Hazzard said the man “drives vans carrying international and other aircrew back and forth to the airport” and the company is based in Alexandria, in Sydney’s inner city.<<

so here’s the important question then, which is why other states don’t seem to have this problem, but it’s apparently Gold Standard for NSWankers to be catching disease from airline staff

The positive case is a 45-year-old man who works in transport to and from the airport. He had symptoms on Saturday was tested on Tuesday, and got his positive result back just after 7am today.

—

genius, what is it those authorities say, probably a migrant with language difficulties, genius

chat said:

My daughter’s boyfriend’s grandma has tested positive for the miley… I’ve not met her, she lives in Jo’burg, and is asymptomatic.

we hear their Matric Rage festivals are good flock immunity drivers, 97% or so, good stuff

From today’s update from our national Acting Chief Medical Officer.

—————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Vaccines probably won’t stop you transmitting COVID

“AstraZeneca… has already looked at whether that vaccine protects against asymptomatic illness,” Professor Kelly said.

“At the moment, from the interim analysis that was published in The Lancet journal last week, it demonstrates it probably doesn’t.

“So it could be that people may have asymptomatic disease after having the vaccine and not know it.

“And that, as we know, can transmit to others.

“It’s less likely than if you have symptomatic disease

“The AstraZeneca and the Pfizer vaccine, and we’ve only seen very minimal results so far from Moderna, but all of those show very strong effectiveness against severe illness or illness at all.

“And so, that is an issue, yes, absolutely, we need to consider that as we go forward.”

——————————————————————————————————

That kind of limits usefulness a bit. Anyway, from the rest of that piece, I’m going to be one of the last parts of the population eligible for vaccination anyway. Not over 65 and not unwell.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/national-coronavirus-update-paul-kelly-vaccines-rapid-testing/12989390

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/sweden-failed-to-protect-its-people-during-pandemic-official-report-20201216-p56o0z.html

Is it over yet ?

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/sweden-failed-to-protect-its-people-during-pandemic-official-report-20201216-p56o0z.html

don’t worry the report next year will show that they did a better job protecting all the people left alive, flock immunity what à wondrous thing it is

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/two-new-covid-19-cases-in-nsw/12991234

the correct solution is to pretend that this never happened and carry on over the festive season for The Economy Must Grow and then better have a few more weeks for Invasion Australia Day and then we’ll think about it

16 to 48 hours for confirmation or tracing before sensible slamming of borders

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/who-vaccine-scheme-risks-failure,-say-internal-documents/12991944

A busy subway car in Stockholm, Sweden, earlier this month. Infection numbers and deaths in the country have been rising steadily since October.

Notice how the only people you see wearing masks in public look like tourists.

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/who-vaccine-scheme-risks-failure,-say-internal-documents/12991944

seems alarmist, pretty sure there have been countries offering to provide free vaccines to the world

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/who-vaccine-scheme-risks-failure,-say-internal-documents/12991944

seems alarmist, pretty sure there have been countries offering to provide free vaccines to the world

Someone will come along and edit it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/chinese-communist-party-accused-of-influencing-australian-media/12991704

Australia’s media has faced “persistent efforts” by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to influence and censor content, according to a new report from an Australian think tank.

For example, they twisted the message in this article in ways you can see for yourself.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/doctors-not-washing-hands-properly-coronavirus-pandemic/12990660

Audit finds doctors not washing their hands properly during coronavirus pandemic

Omar Khorshid said doctors’ performance had improved significantly on previous audits, but he conceded there was still room for improvement.

ABC News:

How could coronavirus spread through ventilation in hotel quarantine?

By Alice Dempster
Hotel quarantine workers have been linked to coronavirus outbreaks in Adelaide and Melbourne, with authorities pointing to a lack of ventilation as an issue within those medi-hotels.
Posted 16 minutes ago

Another failure of Victoria’s hotel quarantine measures identified
Victorian health authorities missed an international traveller who entered Victoria to visit a sick relative in September.
Posted 51mminutes ago

Lockdown of Victoria’s public housing towers breached human rights, ombudsman finds
The Victorian Ombudsman has found the State Government breached human rights laws when it locked down nine public housing towers in inner Melbourne after a coronavirus outbreak in early July.
Posted 53mminutes ago / Updated 16mminutes ago

Other states certainly made monumental stuff-ups, but isn’t it time for Premier Andrews to have a presser and just declare that Victoria somehow managed to bollocks up absolutely every single aspect of managing the virus?

captain_spalding said:

Other states certainly made monumental stuff-ups, but isn’t it time for Premier Andrews to have a presser and just declare that Victoria somehow managed to bollocks up absolutely every single aspect of managing the virus?

Successfully containing what appeared to be an out-of-control second wave is a fine achievement, internationally lauded.

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

Other states certainly made monumental stuff-ups, but isn’t it time for Premier Andrews to have a presser and just declare that Victoria somehow managed to bollocks up absolutely every single aspect of managing the virus?

Successfully containing what appeared to be an out-of-control second wave is a fine achievement, internationally lauded.

oh come on the other states are Gold Standard if it’s wrong it has to be Dan

SCIENCE said:

oh come on the other states are Gold Standard

and here’s another pile of that gold

NSW has recorded an additional two cases of COVID-19 on Sydney’s Northern Beaches, after two were confirmed yesterday.

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

Other states certainly made monumental stuff-ups, but isn’t it time for Premier Andrews to have a presser and just declare that Victoria somehow managed to bollocks up absolutely every single aspect of managing the virus?

Successfully containing what appeared to be an out-of-control second wave is a fine achievement, internationally lauded.

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

Ombudsman Deborah Glass said health officials had agreed to the need for a lockdown, but the state’s Chief Health Officer only had 15 minutes to consider the issues and sign the directions before Premier Daniel Andrews made the announcement.

—

Ombudsman Deborah Glass said health officials had agreed to the need for a lockdown on July 4, and they expected it would start the following day which would give them time for planning food supplies and other logistics.

But Premier Daniel Andrews announced the lockdown would commence that day at 4:00pm.

Ms Glass said the acting chief health officer had only 15 minutes before the press conference to consider the issues and sign the directions for the lockdown.

The investigation found the temporary lockdown, which was lifted at eight of the nine towers within five days, was warranted.
—

probably paid by CHINA this corrupt

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

Other states certainly made monumental stuff-ups, but isn’t it time for Premier Andrews to have a presser and just declare that Victoria somehow managed to bollocks up absolutely every single aspect of managing the virus?

Successfully containing what appeared to be an out-of-control second wave is a fine achievement, internationally lauded.

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Successfully containing what appeared to be an out-of-control second wave is a fine achievement, internationally lauded.

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

Yeah, I’ve been around enough of these guys to know they’re all about compliance. They might be absent, asleep, incompetent, disabled mounds of wheezing corpulence secreted into a chair, but they’re probably qualified.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

Yeah, I’ve been around enough of these guys to know they’re all about compliance. They might be absent, asleep, incompetent, disabled mounds of wheezing corpulence secreted into a chair, but they’re probably qualified.

The old Quality Assurance v Quality Control argument.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

Yeah, I’ve been around enough of these guys to know they’re all about compliance. They might be absent, asleep, incompetent, disabled mounds of wheezing corpulence secreted into a chair, but they’re probably qualified.

Dear sweet baby jaysus, SWMBO finished her conference call but then immediately called someone else. I waited till that finished and she said, “hey, I’ve just been speaking to Rule’s wife”.

FMD.

sibeen said:

Dear sweet baby jaysus, SWMBO finished her conference call but then immediately called someone else. I waited till that finished and she said, “hey, I’ve just been speaking to Rule’s wife”.

FMD.

Aww come on now, Mrs Rule is lovely.

Divine Angel said:

sibeen said:

Dear sweet baby jaysus, SWMBO finished her conference call but then immediately called someone else. I waited till that finished and she said, “hey, I’ve just been speaking to Rule’s wife”.

FMD.

Aww come on now, Mrs Rule is lovely.

It was a work related call but they managed to work out the ‘nerd forum’ connection.

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Successfully containing what appeared to be an out-of-control second wave is a fine achievement, internationally lauded.

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

SWMBO’s comment on the guards:

All RTO’s providing security training have to be approved by Vic Pol right down to individual trainers and location including specific rooms. The course materials are designed and approved by VIC Pol and audited and monitored.

Then as an outcome a security guard must be licensed by Vic Pol (LRD)

They have units they have completed around risk, WHS, legal and procedural requirements, emergency response, first aid etc. So to say they have no skills or knowledge is a furphy and a cop out for poor behaviour not to mention the requirement of normal common sense.

https://www.kangan.edu.au/tafe-courses/security-and-public-safety-26?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKCAiA_eb-BRB2EiwAGBnXXhS-BAFSlCURRmmu1L3VlFHeEVjUsSe_n0LPL_Dh3Sf3ab2LS7XpgRoCTzwQAvD_BwE

However it is fair to say that in my opinion persons monitoring hotel quarantine should probably have a background in detention activity and like any job be provided with induction training.

sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

Yeah, I’ve been around enough of these guys to know they’re all about compliance. They might be absent, asleep, incompetent, disabled mounds of wheezing corpulence secreted into a chair, but they’re probably qualified.

Dear sweet baby jaysus, SWMBO finished her conference call but then immediately called someone else. I waited till that finished and she said, “hey, I’ve just been speaking to Rule’s wife”.

FMD.

It’s only a little world.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

SWMBO’s comment on the guards:

All RTO’s providing security training have to be approved by Vic Pol right down to individual trainers and location including specific rooms. The course materials are designed and approved by VIC Pol and audited and monitored.

Then as an outcome a security guard must be licensed by Vic Pol (LRD)

They have units they have completed around risk, WHS, legal and procedural requirements, emergency response, first aid etc. So to say they have no skills or knowledge is a furphy and a cop out for poor behaviour not to mention the requirement of normal common sense.

https://www.kangan.edu.au/tafe-courses/security-and-public-safety-26?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKCAiA_eb-BRB2EiwAGBnXXhS-BAFSlCURRmmu1L3VlFHeEVjUsSe_n0LPL_Dh3Sf3ab2LS7XpgRoCTzwQAvD_BwE

However it is fair to say that in my opinion persons monitoring hotel quarantine should probably have a background in detention activity and like any job be provided with induction training.

There should also be random inspections by management.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

Pay that one.

While containment depended on the co-operation of the Great Victorian Public (and that was unimpressive, at least in the early days), there was a lot of things that obviously could have been done better.

Assigning hotel-quarantine ‘security’ to private ‘security’ firms (with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment) which was probably a nice favour to someone’s mate, but which left it in the hands of people with no power at all to prevent people walking in and out as they wished is just the first on the list.

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

SWMBO’s comment on the guards:

All RTO’s providing security training have to be approved by Vic Pol right down to individual trainers and location including specific rooms. The course materials are designed and approved by VIC Pol and audited and monitored.

Then as an outcome a security guard must be licensed by Vic Pol (LRD)

They have units they have completed around risk, WHS, legal and procedural requirements, emergency response, first aid etc. So to say they have no skills or knowledge is a furphy and a cop out for poor behaviour not to mention the requirement of normal common sense.

https://www.kangan.edu.au/tafe-courses/security-and-public-safety-26?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKCAiA_eb-BRB2EiwAGBnXXhS-BAFSlCURRmmu1L3VlFHeEVjUsSe_n0LPL_Dh3Sf3ab2LS7XpgRoCTzwQAvD_BwE

However it is fair to say that in my opinion persons monitoring hotel quarantine should probably have a background in detention activity and like any job be provided with induction training.

I don’t know why they weren’t using the existing Quarantine or Prison Officers.

sibeen said:

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

OK, i understated the quals for security work.

They may have been qualified, but it doesn’t seem like they had the First XI on the hotel security detail – people dozing off, consorting with ‘guests’, etc.

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

SWMBO’s comment on the guards:

All RTO’s providing security training have to be approved by Vic Pol right down to individual trainers and location including specific rooms. The course materials are designed and approved by VIC Pol and audited and monitored.

Then as an outcome a security guard must be licensed by Vic Pol (LRD)

They have units they have completed around risk, WHS, legal and procedural requirements, emergency response, first aid etc. So to say they have no skills or knowledge is a furphy and a cop out for poor behaviour not to mention the requirement of normal common sense.

https://www.kangan.edu.au/tafe-courses/security-and-public-safety-26?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKCAiA_eb-BRB2EiwAGBnXXhS-BAFSlCURRmmu1L3VlFHeEVjUsSe_n0LPL_Dh3Sf3ab2LS7XpgRoCTzwQAvD_BwE

However it is fair to say that in my opinion persons monitoring hotel quarantine should probably have a background in detention activity and like any job be provided with induction training.

There should also be random inspections by management.

Continuous supervision.

Lunch: Chili beans with light sour cream, mushrooms & celery in lime juice, Chorizo sausage, on turkish rolls.

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

OK, i understated the quals for security work.

They may have been qualified, but it doesn’t seem like they had the First XI on the hotel security detail – people dozing off, consorting with ‘guests’, etc.

I think the pivotal Rydges hotel outbreak was a cleaner.

Rule 303 said:

Lunch: Chili beans with light sour cream, mushrooms & celery in lime juice, Chorizo sausage, on turkish rolls.

With a Corona?

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Lunch: Chili beans with light sour cream, mushrooms & celery in lime juice, Chorizo sausage, on turkish rolls.

With a Corona?

Have to go to Sydney to get some corona these days.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

SWMBO’s comment on the guards:

All RTO’s providing security training have to be approved by Vic Pol right down to individual trainers and location including specific rooms. The course materials are designed and approved by VIC Pol and audited and monitored.

Then as an outcome a security guard must be licensed by Vic Pol (LRD)

They have units they have completed around risk, WHS, legal and procedural requirements, emergency response, first aid etc. So to say they have no skills or knowledge is a furphy and a cop out for poor behaviour not to mention the requirement of normal common sense.

https://www.kangan.edu.au/tafe-courses/security-and-public-safety-26?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKCAiA_eb-BRB2EiwAGBnXXhS-BAFSlCURRmmu1L3VlFHeEVjUsSe_n0LPL_Dh3Sf3ab2LS7XpgRoCTzwQAvD_BwE

However it is fair to say that in my opinion persons monitoring hotel quarantine should probably have a background in detention activity and like any job be provided with induction training.

I don’t know why they weren’t using the existing Quarantine or Prison Officers.

Because in the normal course of events we only employ enough of them for the usual requirements. Probably not a lot of extras to call in really. They were all required to watch the prisons and the quarantine at ports and airports. We don’t tend to build in redundancy in systems these days. It’s all “just in time” now. (Might also explain recent problems with a shortage of ambulance staff…)

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

with their hook-‘em-in-off-the-pavement-turn-‘em-around- three-times-and-give-‘em-a-badge recruitment)

Sorry, but that one is just patently untrue. I’m not sure what the course is called, and SWMBO is currently on a conference call and so cannot enlighten me, but every security guard needs to have done a cert 3 or a cert 4 course and be certified by Vic Police before they are allowed to hold a job in the industry.

The oversight on the whole thing was shit, I’ll grant you that, but they certainly weren’t just grabbing any warm bodies off the street.

OK, i understated the quals for security work.

They may have been qualified, but it doesn’t seem like they had the First XI on the hotel security detail – people dozing off, consorting with ‘guests’, etc.

I think the pivotal Rydges hotel outbreak was a cleaner.

As a matter of interest…did the enquiry actually find any consorting, or did that end up being a social media urban myth?

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

OK, i understated the quals for security work.

They may have been qualified, but it doesn’t seem like they had the First XI on the hotel security detail – people dozing off, consorting with ‘guests’, etc.

I think the pivotal Rydges hotel outbreak was a cleaner.

As a matter of interest…did the enquiry actually find any consorting, or did that end up being a social media urban myth?

Myth I think.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

Lunch: Chili beans with light sour cream, mushrooms & celery in lime juice, Chorizo sausage, on turkish rolls.

With a Corona?

Have to go to Sydney to get some corona these days.

Liquid Gold Standard

buffy said:

We don’t tend to build in redundancy in systems these days.

bet everyone applied all their restrictions just in time too

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think the pivotal Rydges hotel outbreak was a cleaner.

As a matter of interest…did the enquiry actually find any consorting, or did that end up being a social media urban myth?

Myth I think.

I thought so, but I don’t remember seeing the official information.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think the pivotal Rydges hotel outbreak was a cleaner.

As a matter of interest…did the enquiry actually find any consorting, or did that end up being a social media urban myth?

Myth I think.

The hotel quarantine enquiry report is due to be released on 21st December. I can’t see a place to read the interim report though.

https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/

Um, that would be under “reports” gimboid…

https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/reports

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO’s comment on the guards:

All RTO’s providing security training have to be approved by Vic Pol right down to individual trainers and location including specific rooms. The course materials are designed and approved by VIC Pol and audited and monitored.

Then as an outcome a security guard must be licensed by Vic Pol (LRD)

They have units they have completed around risk, WHS, legal and procedural requirements, emergency response, first aid etc. So to say they have no skills or knowledge is a furphy and a cop out for poor behaviour not to mention the requirement of normal common sense.

https://www.kangan.edu.au/tafe-courses/security-and-public-safety-26?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKCAiA_eb-BRB2EiwAGBnXXhS-BAFSlCURRmmu1L3VlFHeEVjUsSe_n0LPL_Dh3Sf3ab2LS7XpgRoCTzwQAvD_BwE

However it is fair to say that in my opinion persons monitoring hotel quarantine should probably have a background in detention activity and like any job be provided with induction training.

I don’t know why they weren’t using the existing Quarantine or Prison Officers.

Because in the normal course of events we only employ enough of them for the usual requirements. Probably not a lot of extras to call in really. They were all required to watch the prisons and the quarantine at ports and airports. We don’t tend to build in redundancy in systems these days. It’s all “just in time” now. (Might also explain recent problems with a shortage of ambulance staff…)

My understanding is that, at any given time, 50% of the staff are off work on leave or holidays.

Just to give you the argument….

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

I don’t know why they weren’t using the existing Quarantine or Prison Officers.

Because in the normal course of events we only employ enough of them for the usual requirements. Probably not a lot of extras to call in really. They were all required to watch the prisons and the quarantine at ports and airports. We don’t tend to build in redundancy in systems these days. It’s all “just in time” now. (Might also explain recent problems with a shortage of ambulance staff…)

My understanding is that, at any given time, 50% of the staff are off work on leave or holidays.

Just to give you the argument….

And they don’t have to come back in if asked if that is the case. OK, likely they might, but they don’t have to. I also doubt it’s quite that percentage.

I think I’ll make an Extra Healthy Fried Cheese Sammich for lunch.

serious question how did all that gold standard wastewater testing miss this outbreak

Unicef to feed hungry children in UK for first time in 70-year history

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/16/unicef-feed-hungry-children-uk-first-time-history

dv said:

Unicef to feed hungry children in UK for first time in 70-year history

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/16/unicef-feed-hungry-children-uk-first-time-history

they’re a poor busted arse country already and they haven’t even fully completed Brexit yet.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Unicef to feed hungry children in UK for first time in 70-year history

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/16/unicef-feed-hungry-children-uk-first-time-history

they’re a poor busted arse country already and they haven’t even fully completed Brexit yet.

Fuck austerity.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Unicef to feed hungry children in UK for first time in 70-year history

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/16/unicef-feed-hungry-children-uk-first-time-history

they’re a poor busted arse country already and they haven’t even fully completed Brexit yet.

Fuck austerity.

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

3486 covid-19 deaths in the USA yesterday, another record.

dv said:

Unicef to feed hungry children in UK for first time in 70-year history

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/16/unicef-feed-hungry-children-uk-first-time-history

“A government spokesperson said: “We are committed to supporting the lowest-paid families through the pandemic and beyond. That’s why we have raised the living wage, boosted welfare support by billions of pounds and introduced the £170m Covid winter grant scheme to help children and families stay warm and well-fed during the coldest months.”

I’d say UNICEF is playing politics, that money should be spent on children who really are hungry.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

they’re a poor busted arse country already and they haven’t even fully completed Brexit yet.

Fuck austerity.

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Fuck austerity.

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

Who needs to win elections when you’re ideologically as pure as the driven snow like DV?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Fuck austerity.

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

Okay. Fuck rickets and scurvy. On the increase in Britain today.

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

Okay. Fuck rickets and scurvy. On the increase in Britain today.

Seems to be a fairly recent thing:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/victorian-disease-gout-rickets-vitamin-d-mumps-scurvy-measles-malnutrition-nhs-hospital-admitted-a8795686.html

dv said:

nods

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

Okay. Fuck rickets and scurvy. On the increase in Britain today.

That’s no good they must have caught it from USA.

Plenty of Thatchers and Blairs over there too.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Fuck austerity.

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

I can more easily put Blair, Major and Cameron in the same group.

holy fuck

NSW Health says the Northern Beaches COVID-19 cluster has grown to 17 cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/nsw-covid-19-cases-grow-to-17/12995276

The West Australian Government said anyone who had arrived from NSW since December 11 must get tested and self-isolate within a day.

WA Premier Mark McGowan said because of the “evolving situation in NSW … taking immediate steps under its controlled border arrangements to further protect WA”.

More to come.

SCIENCE said:

holy fuck

NSW Health says the Northern Beaches COVID-19 cluster has grown to 17 cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/nsw-covid-19-cases-grow-to-17/12995276

The West Australian Government said anyone who had arrived from NSW since December 11 must get tested and self-isolate within a day.

WA Premier Mark McGowan said because of the “evolving situation in NSW … taking immediate steps under its controlled border arrangements to further protect WA”.

More to come.

That’s no good.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

holy fuck

NSW Health says the Northern Beaches COVID-19 cluster has grown to 17 cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/nsw-covid-19-cases-grow-to-17/12995276

The West Australian Government said anyone who had arrived from NSW since December 11 must get tested and self-isolate within a day.

WA Premier Mark McGowan said because of the “evolving situation in NSW … taking immediate steps under its controlled border arrangements to further protect WA”.

More to come.

That’s no good.

they need to do the Gold Standard thing and violate some human rights and lock down a few disadvantaged towers right now

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

for a sense of the escalation here we present

Thanks, nothing like more Covid news, here have some more and then have some more on top of that.

I’ll go and hide under my anti COVID blanket.

sorry our bad, wrong thread

make sure it’s N95 rated

beau was just discussing reasons for men to wear a mask. He was vague.
I googled.
Erectile dyfunction and low sperm counts.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

It’s been 41 years since there was a progressive government in the UK so at least all of this can be cleanly lain at the feet of neoliberalism…

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

I can more easily put Blair, Major and Cameron in the same group.

Much as you could put Keating, Howard and Turnbull in the same group.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m not sure that putting Thatcher and Blair in the same political group really works.

I can more easily put Blair, Major and Cameron in the same group.

Much as you could put Keating, Howard and Turnbull in the same group.

What groups Keating with Howard?

SCIENCE said:

holy fuck

NSW Health says the Northern Beaches COVID-19 cluster has grown to 17 cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/nsw-covid-19-cases-grow-to-17/12995276

The West Australian Government said anyone who had arrived from NSW since December 11 must get tested and self-isolate within a day.

WA Premier Mark McGowan said because of the “evolving situation in NSW … taking immediate steps under its controlled border arrangements to further protect WA”.

More to come.

As a Victorian, I can feel the schadenfreude rising. I shall try to quell it.

one of the articles mentions some fella with symptoms for 5 days or something similar before getting tested

is it at all possible that, were symptomatic people to actually get tested early, these surprise detections wouldn’t turn out to be tens to hundreds of cases, and be more in the single-decimal-digit range

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

holy fuck

NSW Health says the Northern Beaches COVID-19 cluster has grown to 17 cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/nsw-covid-19-cases-grow-to-17/12995276

The West Australian Government said anyone who had arrived from NSW since December 11 must get tested and self-isolate within a day.

WA Premier Mark McGowan said because of the “evolving situation in NSW … taking immediate steps under its controlled border arrangements to further protect WA”.

More to come.

As a Victorian, I can feel the schadenfreude rising. I shall try to quell it.

<shrug> we agree that Morrison Berejiklian et alia could have done better than being arseholes about the VIC situation

hint for you politician knobs out there, if you want international respect like Dan, shut this outbreak back down to 0 before it hits 100

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

holy fuck

NSW Health says the Northern Beaches COVID-19 cluster has grown to 17 cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/nsw-covid-19-cases-grow-to-17/12995276

The West Australian Government said anyone who had arrived from NSW since December 11 must get tested and self-isolate within a day.

WA Premier Mark McGowan said because of the “evolving situation in NSW … taking immediate steps under its controlled border arrangements to further protect WA”.

More to come.

As a Victorian, I can feel the schadenfreude rising. I shall try to quell it.

<shrug> we agree that Morrison Berejiklian et alia could have done better than being arseholes about the VIC situation

hint for you politician knobs out there, if you want international respect like Dan, shut this outbreak back down to 0 before it hits 100

⚠ this post may contain satirical elements

actually we take that all back, this NSW disaster is clearly Dan’s fault, he must have been smuggling SARS-CoV-2 up into Sydney to distract from the Investigation into the detention and treatment of public housing residents arising from a COVID-19 ‘hard lockdown’ in July 2020

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

holy fuck

NSW Health says the Northern Beaches COVID-19 cluster has grown to 17 cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/nsw-covid-19-cases-grow-to-17/12995276

The West Australian Government said anyone who had arrived from NSW since December 11 must get tested and self-isolate within a day.

WA Premier Mark McGowan said because of the “evolving situation in NSW … taking immediate steps under its controlled border arrangements to further protect WA”.

More to come.

As a Victorian, I can feel the schadenfreude rising. I shall try to quell it.

<shrug> we agree that Morrison Berejiklian et alia could have done better than being arseholes about the VIC situation

hint for you politician knobs out there, if you want international respect like Dan, shut this outbreak back down to 0 before it hits 100

^^^

We apologise to you all for not being able to obtain the latest data (but any of you In The Know / Circle please direct if you can), but going off weekly surveillance reports you can see the usual run of sewage virus detections.

The detection data lags cases (as one might expect, given delayed publication) so perhaps we can be reassured slightly that sewage detection has not PRECEDED this latest unfortunate news.

That link is for week ending 2020-12-05 so being 12 days down the track we suggest “at least, if we act now, we do not have to expect that cases have run an additional 4 doubling intervals of 3 days each”. Yes 17 * 16 = 272 which is really not where you want to be.

Then again we have 20201225 in another week, and 20210101 a week beyond that, so if we’re going to do the NSW Gold Standard thing of keeping it all open and throwing them North Beach Parties just to feel good about LIFE before we kill a few more useless needy oldies, well there’s your 5 additional doubling periods. Off the 17 we have right now that would make it 544. That’s probably going to overwhelm your upper limit of contact tracing so if you let it get to that, it’s out, it’s loose, and hello flock immunity*.

*: not a chance, just lots of morbidity and some death, and a long way to go

We don’t really believe it’s going to stop at 17 but in the absence of further data it’s hard to say. Sewage delays of 1 week are believable, make that an additional 2 doubling periods. Can they keep it at 68? (That’s our optimistic estimate and The Oracle Told Us So.) Do nothing over the new year period and expect to cop a cool 2176 cases early January. If you’re lucky there will be some inflexion on the numbers at that point and it’ll come down just as quickly, but since everyone’s smashed and still partying maybe it’ll last until end January. We hear that’s when all the healthcare workers rotate and a new year of juniors piles on … good luck if you’re in intensive care at that point. On the other hand school is off from now until 20210127 which might help with the mitigation but don’t forget a nice Invasion Day superspreader seeding session just to kick off the school outbreaks.

Good luck NSW!

SCIENCE said:

don’t forget a nice Invasion Day superspreader seeding session just to kick off the school outbreaks.

Good luck NSW!

Speaking of superspreader sessions, this from your ABC…

A man in his 60s from Frenchs Forest tested positive today after performing with his band at the club on that day. He has been travelling extensively with the band.

Bad news, peeps.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

don’t forget a nice Invasion Day superspreader seeding session just to kick off the school outbreaks.

Good luck NSW!

Speaking of superspreader sessions, this from your ABC…

A man in his 60s from Frenchs Forest tested positive today after performing with his band at the club on that day. He has been travelling extensively with the band.

Bad news, peeps.

The original van driver went to a soccer match.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

don’t forget a nice Invasion Day superspreader seeding session just to kick off the school outbreaks.

Good luck NSW!

Speaking of superspreader sessions, this from your ABC…

A man in his 60s from Frenchs Forest tested positive today after performing with his band at the club on that day. He has been travelling extensively with the band.

Bad news, peeps.

The original van driver went to a soccer match.

True, could be an indoor soccer and outdoor live band.

If they were both outdoors then … we can hope.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Speaking of superspreader sessions, this from your ABC…

A man in his 60s from Frenchs Forest tested positive today after performing with his band at the club on that day. He has been travelling extensively with the band.

Bad news, peeps.

The original van driver went to a soccer match.

True, could be an indoor soccer and outdoor live band.

If they were both outdoors then … we can hope.

Opening overseas borders is still not a wise move.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

Strange how many more doses are going to Texas than going to New York state.

Have we done this one?

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472

“Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020”

“These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020. “

This is a study that tested blood donation samples that had been taken prior to the first US cases being confirmed.

buffy said:

Have we done this one?

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472

“Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020”

“These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020. “

This is a study that tested blood donation samples that had been taken prior to the first US cases being confirmed.

Yeah they’ve been various posts about this, One maybe in the last week or so.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Have we done this one?

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472

“Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020”

“These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020. “

This is a study that tested blood donation samples that had been taken prior to the first US cases being confirmed.

Yeah they’ve been various posts about this, One maybe in the last week or so.

they’ve = there’s

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Have we done this one?

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472

“Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020”

“These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020. “

This is a study that tested blood donation samples that had been taken prior to the first US cases being confirmed.

Yeah they’ve been various posts about this, One maybe in the last week or so.

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Have we done this one?

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472

“Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020”

“These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020. “

This is a study that tested blood donation samples that had been taken prior to the first US cases being confirmed.

Yeah they’ve been various posts about this, One maybe in the last week or so.

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

Sometime=something. My fingers need to wake up.

We have failed’: Sweden’s king delivers damning verdict on nation’s coronavirus strategy
By Bevan Shields
December 18, 2020 — 5.33am

London: Sweden’s king says his country’s coronavirus response has “failed”, as public faith in the anti-lockdown strategy’s chief architect falls and intensive care capacity is breached in Stockholm.

In a rare royal rebuke of government policy, King Carl XVI Gustaf said the number of deaths in Sweden – which has shunned a nationwide lockdown and the wearing of face masks – had been “terrible”.

“I believe we have failed,” the 74-year-old said in excerpts from a television program to air on December 21.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/we-have-failed-sweden-s-king-delivers-damning-verdict-on-nation-s-coronavirus-strategy-20201218-p56oko.html

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Have we done this one?

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472

“Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020”

“These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020. “

This is a study that tested blood donation samples that had been taken prior to the first US cases being confirmed.

Yeah they’ve been various posts about this, One maybe in the last week or so.

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah they’ve been various posts about this, One maybe in the last week or so.

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah they’ve been various posts about this, One maybe in the last week or so.

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Mr buffy and I made up our own conspiracy right back in the early part of this year. We noted that the outbreak in China apparently co-incided with all our Chinese overseas students going home for Christmas. So we decided the virus could be one of our Spring colds that they took home with them.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

Apparently at the time, there was some big project going on in Italy which was part Chinese and there were lots of FIFO happening.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Mr buffy and I made up our own conspiracy right back in the early part of this year. We noted that the outbreak in China apparently co-incided with all our Chinese overseas students going home for Christmas. So we decided the virus could be one of our Spring colds that they took home with them.

Yeah. That was one scenario that had merit.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Mr buffy and I made up our own conspiracy right back in the early part of this year. We noted that the outbreak in China apparently co-incided with all our Chinese overseas students going home for Christmas. So we decided the virus could be one of our Spring colds that they took home with them.

I should note that we did not put this idea on social media. We decided to sit back and wait for history.

;)

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I thought there was something from Europe about sometime back in about November. But I can’t dig anything up on PubMed or Health on the Net. Or Google Scholar.

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

Can you find any of those reports? Linky?

buffy said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Mr buffy and I made up our own conspiracy right back in the early part of this year. We noted that the outbreak in China apparently co-incided with all our Chinese overseas students going home for Christmas. So we decided the virus could be one of our Spring colds that they took home with them.

I should note that we did not put this idea on social media. We decided to sit back and wait for history.

;)

:) I didn’t spread any rumours either.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

Can you find any of those reports? Linky?

Never mind, I might be able to track that report down.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

Can you find any of those reports? Linky?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/study-finds-covid-19-presence-in-italy-in-november-2019/2073897
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-new-study-shows
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53106444

buffy said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

Can you find any of those reports? Linky?

Never mind, I might be able to track that report down.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-circulating-italy-earlier-thought.html
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/11/coronavirus-italy-covid-19-pandemic-europe-date-antibodies-study/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/06/19/when-did-the-coronavirus-outbreak-start-italy-is-latest-to-say-earlier-than-previously-thought/

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

Can you find any of those reports? Linky?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/study-finds-covid-19-presence-in-italy-in-november-2019/2073897
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-new-study-shows
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53106444

:)

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah. There have been reports of pre-Wuhan cases in Italy.

Can you find any of those reports? Linky?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/study-finds-covid-19-presence-in-italy-in-november-2019/2073897
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-new-study-shows
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53106444

Plenty of news reports. I wanted the paper. Here it is

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0300891620974755

“Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy”

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Can you find any of those reports? Linky?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/study-finds-covid-19-presence-in-italy-in-november-2019/2073897
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-new-study-shows
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53106444

Plenty of news reports. I wanted the paper. Here it is

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0300891620974755

“Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy”

Slightly tangential, but from that paper:

“ Evidence from environmental monitoring showed that SARS-CoV-2 was already circulating in northern Italy at the end of 2019.9 Molecular analysis with reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction assays of 40 composite influent wastewater samples collected between October 2019 and February 2020 in three cities and regions in northern Italy (Milan/Lombardy, Turin/Piedmont, and Bologna/Emilia Romagna) showed the presence of viral RNA first occurring in sewage samples collected on December 18 in Milan and Turin. “

And if you want to go down the rabbithole, this is the sewage paper cited in that quote:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32835962/

buffy said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

The outbrerak in Italy started quite early?

Mr buffy and I made up our own conspiracy right back in the early part of this year. We noted that the outbreak in China apparently co-incided with all our Chinese overseas students going home for Christmas. So we decided the virus could be one of our Spring colds that they took home with them.

I should note that we did not put this idea on social media. We decided to sit back and wait for history.

;)

a Spring Cold Ready Made For Chinese Going Home ¿¿ it’s almost as if someone tried to set someone up

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy and I made up our own conspiracy right back in the early part of this year. We noted that the outbreak in China apparently co-incided with all our Chinese overseas students going home for Christmas. So we decided the virus could be one of our Spring colds that they took home with them.

I should note that we did not put this idea on social media. We decided to sit back and wait for history.

;)

a Spring Cold Ready Made For Chinese Going Home ¿¿ it’s almost as if someone tried to set someone up

more seriously though you know how (1) appeared in CHINA (2) killing more ASIANS and other ethnic minorities in USA etc

could it possibly be that different races (a social construct f’sure) are differentially susceptible

even like when they used smallpox biological warfare on the Australians back in vasion days

Gold Standard

—

One woman told the ABC she was “very disappointed by these long queues”.

“I would have thought they would have brought in more testing stations, my husband waited four hours yesterday at Mona Vale Hospital,” she said.

“I waited two hours here last night and gave up. I just arrived here at a quarter past six and it opens at 8:00, and there’s already 150 people here.”

SCIENCE said:

Gold Standard

—

One woman told the ABC she was “very disappointed by these long queues”.

“I would have thought they would have brought in more testing stations, my husband waited four hours yesterday at Mona Vale Hospital,” she said.

“I waited two hours here last night and gave up. I just arrived here at a quarter past six and it opens at 8:00, and there’s already 150 people here.”

Heck woman. Only a few days ago there had been no cases for yonks.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Gold Standard

—

One woman told the ABC she was “very disappointed by these long queues”.

“I would have thought they would have brought in more testing stations, my husband waited four hours yesterday at Mona Vale Hospital,” she said.

“I waited two hours here last night and gave up. I just arrived here at a quarter past six and it opens at 8:00, and there’s already 150 people here.”

Heck woman. Only a few days ago there had been no cases for yonks.

JFTR we are not suggesting the client mentioned is acting in a particularly privileged fashion or that their concerns are unfounded.

In fact having waited 45 minutes for tests in the past we agree with her: if you call your pandemic response Gold Standard then you really should be able to do better.

This is a serious outbreak and it’s 12 months in, when we have good knowledge of how it works and how dangerous it is. If your house starts burning you don’t wait until office hours to start calling in help. Well, fine, we won’t speak for others.

roughbarked makes an excellent point. Only a few days ago there had been no cases for yonks. Therefore the capacity to provide more services to the places that need it, really must be available.

Also, mentioned already but waiting 5 days with symptoms and partying hard before testing is also not good enough. If the community is serious about keeping this shit out, please go and get tested in the first day or as soon as possible.

Even asymptomatic people, if they are mobile and willing to do their bit, may choose to do surveillance testing.

SCIENCE said:

Gold Standard

—

One woman told the ABC she was “very disappointed by these long queues”.

“I would have thought they would have brought in more testing stations, my husband waited four hours yesterday at Mona Vale Hospital,” she said.

“I waited two hours here last night and gave up. I just arrived here at a quarter past six and it opens at 8:00, and there’s already 150 people here.”

In fact having waited 45 minutes for tests in the past we agree with her: if you call your pandemic response Gold Standard then you really should be able to do better.

as in, obviously services can do 45 minutes when things are moderately busy, wtf is 240 minutes

fkn drummers

—

a drummer who was playing at a band and played in three…two RSLs and one club, that’s Penrith RSL, the Kirribilli club and Avalon RSL

—

at least ‘e wasn’t blowing h’ own trumpet

fkn northerners

—

And anecdotally there are a lot of Qantas flight crews who live on the beaches. It’s a nice place to live and you’ve got lots of days off. It is anecdotal, I don’t know how true it is, but when you bump into people who know people who work in Qantas, they often live on the beaches or on the northern suburbs of Sydney.

SCIENCE said:

fkn northerners

—

And anecdotally there are a lot of Qantas flight crews who live on the beaches. It’s a nice place to live and you’ve got lots of days off. It is anecdotal, I don’t know how true it is, but when you bump into people who know people who work in Qantas, they often live on the beaches or on the northern suburbs of Sydney.

Perhaps a good reason to avoid northern beaches. Overrun with jet-trash.

SCIENCE said:

fkn northerners

—

And anecdotally there are a lot of Qantas flight crews who live on the beaches. It’s a nice place to live and you’ve got lots of days off. It is anecdotal, I don’t know how true it is, but when you bump into people who know people who work in Qantas, they often live on the beaches or on the northern suburbs of Sydney.

My dad & his workmates all moved to the Shire. They bought a communal bongovan to commute to Mascot.

To be fair, it wasn’t your Gladys who put her system up as the “Gold Standard”. It was Scummo, her political ally. Mind, she didn’t deny the notion either.

Michael V said:

To be fair, it wasn’t your Gladys who put her system up as the “Gold Standard”. It was Scummo, her political ally. Mind, she didn’t deny the notion either.

could be

we’ll even offer that if they can convincingly trace it out and demonstrate this outbreak is under control over the next 48 hours, we’ll agree that the response this time has been “Gold Standard”

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

fkn northerners

—

And anecdotally there are a lot of Qantas flight crews who live on the beaches. It’s a nice place to live and you’ve got lots of days off. It is anecdotal, I don’t know how true it is, but when you bump into people who know people who work in Qantas, they often live on the beaches or on the northern suburbs of Sydney.

Perhaps a good reason to avoid northern beaches. Overrun with jet-trash.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/northern-beaches-covid-19-cases-spark-four-hour-wait-at-testing-clinics-20201217-p56ob0.html

“That was the big day everything opened up and you could dance, I was doing handstands, I licked the floor at some point and now I’m not sure that was a good idea,” Mr Porter said.

quod erat demonstrandum

• “That was the big day everything opened up and you could dance, I was doing handstands, I licked the floor at some point and now I’m not sure that was a good idea,” Mr Porter said.

I’d suggest, even at the best of times, licking the floor in a club (or anywhere, really) is not the best idea…

furious said:

• “That was the big day everything opened up and you could dance, I was doing handstands, I licked the floor at some point and now I’m not sure that was a good idea,” Mr Porter said.

I’d suggest, even at the best of times, licking the floor in a club (or anywhere, really) is not the best idea…

Nor sniffing chairs.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

To be fair, it wasn’t your Gladys who put her system up as the “Gold Standard”. It was Scummo, her political ally. Mind, she didn’t deny the notion either.

could be

we’ll even offer that if they can convincingly trace it out and demonstrate this outbreak is under control over the next 48 hours, we’ll agree that the response this time has been “Gold Standard”

Decent.

Low chance, though, given we are (seemingly) several days into this.

furious said:

• “That was the big day everything opened up and you could dance, I was doing handstands, I licked the floor at some point and now I’m not sure that was a good idea,” Mr Porter said.

I’d suggest, even at the best of times, licking the floor in a club (or anywhere, really) is not the best idea…

Depends on which drugs have been spilled on it.

ABC News:
‘Other countries have shortened their quarantine periods — but why hasn’t Australia?

Candice Prosse
While countries such as the UK have reduced their quarantine requirements in recent days, Australian states have started to reimpose travel restrictions amid the Northern Beaches cluster. But why has 14 days been set as the mandatory minimum isolation period?’

Because:

A. it works
B. we’re not as stupid as some
C. all of the above

SCIENCE said:

fkn northerners

—

And anecdotally there are a lot of Qantas flight crews who live on the beaches. It’s a nice place to live and you’ve got lots of days off. It is anecdotal, I don’t know how true it is, but when you bump into people who know people who work in Qantas, they often live on the beaches or on the northern suburbs of Sydney.

Probly due to the Avalon Mascot expressway.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:
‘Other countries have shortened their quarantine periods — but why hasn’t Australia?

Candice Prosse
While countries such as the UK have reduced their quarantine requirements in recent days, Australian states have started to reimpose travel restrictions amid the Northern Beaches cluster. But why has 14 days been set as the mandatory minimum isolation period?’

Because:

A. it works
B. we’re not as stupid as some
C. all of the above

Well, in the false alarm in south australia they were going to lock down for (I think) six days, rather than 14…

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:
‘Other countries have shortened their quarantine periods — but why hasn’t Australia?

Candice Prosse
While countries such as the UK have reduced their quarantine requirements in recent days, Australian states have started to reimpose travel restrictions amid the Northern Beaches cluster. But why has 14 days been set as the mandatory minimum isolation period?’

Because:

A. it works
B. we’re not as stupid as some
C. all of the above

Well, in the false alarm in south australia they were going to lock down for (I think) six days, rather than 14…

But that’s SA. ‘Special’ case.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/trump-appointee-demanded-herd-immunity-strategy-446408

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:
‘Other countries have shortened their quarantine periods — but why hasn’t Australia?

Candice Prosse
While countries such as the UK have reduced their quarantine requirements in recent days, Australian states have started to reimpose travel restrictions amid the Northern Beaches cluster. But why has 14 days been set as the mandatory minimum isolation period?’

Because:

A. it works
B. we’re not as stupid as some
C. all of the above

And look where their government’s health policies got the UK, ffs.

Ok then, we should heed the advice of mobs who are doing worse at this than us. NOT.

SCIENCE said:

We apologise to you all for not being able to obtain the latest data (but any of you In The Know / Circle please direct if you can), but going off weekly surveillance reports you can see the usual run of sewage virus detections.

The detection data lags cases (as one might expect, given delayed publication) so perhaps we can be reassured slightly that sewage detection has not PRECEDED this latest unfortunate news.

That link is for week ending 2020-12-05 so being 12 days down the track we suggest “at least, if we act now, we do not have to expect that cases have run an additional 4 doubling intervals of 3 days each”. Yes 17 * 16 = 272 which is really not where you want to be.

Sewage testing in the Northern Beaches suggested there was no traces of coronavirus on December 10, meaning it may have been introduced into the community within the last week.

OK so if everyone sits down right now we expect 68 to 136 cases to come out of this? Better than 2176 we guess.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

We apologise to you all for not being able to obtain the latest data (but any of you In The Know / Circle please direct if you can), but going off weekly surveillance reports you can see the usual run of sewage virus detections.

The detection data lags cases (as one might expect, given delayed publication) so perhaps we can be reassured slightly that sewage detection has not PRECEDED this latest unfortunate news.

That link is for week ending 2020-12-05 so being 12 days down the track we suggest “at least, if we act now, we do not have to expect that cases have run an additional 4 doubling intervals of 3 days each”. Yes 17 * 16 = 272 which is really not where you want to be.

Sewage testing in the Northern Beaches suggested there was no traces of coronavirus on December 10, meaning it may have been introduced into the community within the last week.

OK so if everyone sits down right now we expect 68 to 136 cases to come out of this? Better than 2176 we guess.

Unless the person involved had been constipated & thus released the infection some days later.

Just chatted to my sister. Christmas is looking difficult to plan. The niece and nephews and families are all on the Northern beaches. They normally go up to MacMasters for Christmas with her.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

We apologise to you all for not being able to obtain the latest data (but any of you In The Know / Circle please direct if you can), but going off weekly surveillance reports you can see the usual run of sewage virus detections.

The detection data lags cases (as one might expect, given delayed publication) so perhaps we can be reassured slightly that sewage detection has not PRECEDED this latest unfortunate news.

That link is for week ending 2020-12-05 so being 12 days down the track we suggest “at least, if we act now, we do not have to expect that cases have run an additional 4 doubling intervals of 3 days each”. Yes 17 * 16 = 272 which is really not where you want to be.

Sewage testing in the Northern Beaches suggested there was no traces of coronavirus on December 10, meaning it may have been introduced into the community within the last week.

OK so if everyone sits down right now we expect 68 to 136 cases to come out of this? Better than 2176 we guess.

Unless the person involved had been constipated & thus released the infection some days later.

hope not … even we’re shitting ourselves though that’s metaphorically speaking

NSW has recorded a further 10 coronavirus cases
The Premier Gladys Berejiklian says one other person who contracted the virus in Sydney has since travelled to Queensland – bringing the total number of those affected to 28.

Earlier today the Premier revealed genomic testing has shown the virus originated overseas, but authorities haven’t identified how it started spreading in the community.

Bugger.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:
‘Other countries have shortened their quarantine periods — but why hasn’t Australia?

Candice Prosse
While countries such as the UK have reduced their quarantine requirements in recent days, Australian states have started to reimpose travel restrictions amid the Northern Beaches cluster. But why has 14 days been set as the mandatory minimum isolation period?’

Because:

A. it works
B. we’re not as stupid as some
C. all of the above

And look where their government’s health policies got the UK, ffs.

Ok then, we should heed the advice of mobs who are doing worse at this than us. NOT.

We should be preaching to them, not the other way around.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:
‘Other countries have shortened their quarantine periods — but why hasn’t Australia?

Candice Prosse
While countries such as the UK have reduced their quarantine requirements in recent days, Australian states have started to reimpose travel restrictions amid the Northern Beaches cluster. But why has 14 days been set as the mandatory minimum isolation period?’

Because:

A. it works
B. we’re not as stupid as some
C. all of the above

Perhaps the ABC might like to go to a few of their repeated authorities on these matters, and interview a plethora of them whinging cafe/restaurant owners to get the answer on that one.

sibeen said:

NSW has recorded a further 10 coronavirus cases
The Premier Gladys Berejiklian says one other person who contracted the virus in Sydney has since travelled to Queensland – bringing the total number of those affected to 28.

Earlier today the Premier revealed genomic testing has shown the virus originated overseas, but authorities haven’t identified how it started spreading in the community.

Bugger.

Brooke is supposed to be driving down there tomorrow. Hasn’t been back for a year.

Divine Angel said:

sibeen said:

NSW has recorded a further 10 coronavirus cases
The Premier Gladys Berejiklian says one other person who contracted the virus in Sydney has since travelled to Queensland – bringing the total number of those affected to 28.

Earlier today the Premier revealed genomic testing has shown the virus originated overseas, but authorities haven’t identified how it started spreading in the community.

Bugger.

Brooke is supposed to be driving down there tomorrow. Hasn’t been back for a year.

ah well at least 11 isn’t the USA or Sweden but the day is still young, plenty of hours of positive test potential to go

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

Shut the border. Enough of the typical NSW Liberal spoiling of QLD Labor Christmas.

Ms Berejiklian said the rising case numbers demonstrated a “potential seeding” outside of Avalon and urged Greater Sydney to wear a mask.

—

Potential seeding, potential like the Wuhan cases potentially seeded the rest of the world, no overstatement.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

Shut the border. Enough of the typical NSW Liberal spoiling of QLD Labor Christmas.

I agree. Second rate Bond villains. You are here to die Mr NSWer.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

Shut the border. Enough of the typical NSW Liberal spoiling of QLD Labor Christmas.

I agree. Second rate Bond villains. You are here to die Mr NSWer.

Oh apparently they Went Back Where They Came From…

Queensland records three new non-locally acquired cases

Two of today’s new cases were acquired overseas and detected in hotel quarantine.

The third case is a NSW resident who travelled to Queensland by air this week, tested positive, and has since returned to New South Wales.

Based on that though it’s been asked in your ABC live feed whether airport should be considered a hotspot. It certainly does sound a dangerous place to be.

Personally I hope this can be acted upon quickly and gotten on top of, without playing politics and the silly blame game.

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

Oh….. hang on. I’m already in the hills. So where do I head for?

party_pants said:

Personally I hope this can be acted upon quickly and gotten on top of, without playing politics and the silly blame game.

The live stream I was watching on Facebook was full of comments saying SHUT THE BORDER. I think it’s a little presumptive for that, personally.

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Personally I hope this can be acted upon quickly and gotten on top of, without playing politics and the silly blame game.

The live stream I was watching on Facebook was full of comments saying SHUT THE BORDER. I think it’s a little presumptive for that, personally.

Caution is always presumptive. Want to get on top of an outbreak¿ Interrupt transmission early.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

Shut the border. Enough of the typical NSW Liberal spoiling of QLD Labor Christmas.

I agree. Second rate Bond villains. You are here to die Mr NSWer.

‘Surely you don’t expect me to stay home, Goldcoaster?’

‘No, Mr. Bondi, i expect you to stay home and die!’

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

Oh….. hang on. I’m already in the hills. So where do I head for?

We’ve got a sniper up on Picnic Point with a Barrett .50 and a telescopic sight. Looking out for NSW rego plates.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Shut the border. Enough of the typical NSW Liberal spoiling of QLD Labor Christmas.

I agree. Second rate Bond villains. You are here to die Mr NSWer.

‘Surely you don’t expect me to stay home, Goldcoaster?’

‘No, Mr. Bondi, i expect you to stay home and die!’

LOL

ABC News:

‘Housing squeeze leaves domestic violence victims with nowhere to go’

Ooh, there’s a lady in Adelaide with a house they can go to. Only $800 a night.

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

Oh….. hang on. I’m already in the hills. So where do I head for?

We’ve got a sniper up on Picnic Point with a Barrett .50 and a telescopic sight. Looking out for NSW rego plates.

At least 800 yards away?

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

I agree. Second rate Bond villains. You are here to die Mr NSWer.

‘Surely you don’t expect me to stay home, Goldcoaster?’

‘No, Mr. Bondi, i expect you to stay home and die!’

LOL

I’m sure that’ll go viral.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

Oh….. hang on. I’m already in the hills. So where do I head for?

We’ve got a sniper up on Picnic Point with a Barrett .50 and a telescopic sight. Looking out for NSW rego plates.

At least 800 yards away?

1,000, if he hasn’t had a second cup of coffee.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

We’ve got a sniper up on Picnic Point with a Barrett .50 and a telescopic sight. Looking out for NSW rego plates.

At least 800 yards away?

1,000, if he hasn’t had a second cup of coffee.

Oh, you didn’t say his name was Jack Reacher.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

At least 800 yards away?

1,000, if he hasn’t had a second cup of coffee.

Oh, you didn’t say his name was Jack Reacher.

I could ‘reliably’ hit targets at 600 yds over open sights in my day.

Best i ever did (a day when everything just felt ‘right’) was good hits at 900 yds on a Fig. 11 target.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

1,000, if he hasn’t had a second cup of coffee.

Oh, you didn’t say his name was Jack Reacher.

I could ‘reliably’ hit targets at 600 yds over open sights in my day.

Best i ever did (a day when everything just felt ‘right’) was good hits at 900 yds on a Fig. 11 target.

I used to be able to count the hairs on a fox’s eyebrow at 500 yards but now I can’t see past my nose.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Oh, you didn’t say his name was Jack Reacher.

I could ‘reliably’ hit targets at 600 yds over open sights in my day.

Best i ever did (a day when everything just felt ‘right’) was good hits at 900 yds on a Fig. 11 target.

I used to be able to count the hairs on a fox’s eyebrow at 500 yards but now I can’t see past my nose.

Yeah, i’m not sure i could see the foresight now, let alone the target.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I could ‘reliably’ hit targets at 600 yds over open sights in my day.

Best i ever did (a day when everything just felt ‘right’) was good hits at 900 yds on a Fig. 11 target.

I used to be able to count the hairs on a fox’s eyebrow at 500 yards but now I can’t see past my nose.

Yeah, i’m not sure i could see the foresight now, let alone the target.

Did manage to pop a blackbird and a few starlings not so long ago on an air rifle with no front sight.

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

Oh….. hang on. I’m already in the hills. So where do I head for?

There’s nowhere to run from from here.

sarahs mum said:

Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld premier and CHO are speaking now, about the NSW hotspot and the new cases in Qld.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

Oh….. hang on. I’m already in the hills. So where do I head for?

There’s nowhere to run from from here.

Heard Island, maybe?

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Woodie said:

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!!

Oh….. hang on. I’m already in the hills. So where do I head for?

There’s nowhere to run from from here.

Heard Island, maybe?

It’s snot an easy run.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

There’s nowhere to run from from here.

Heard Island, maybe?

It’s snot an easy run.

Ho Ho

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Shut the border. Enough of the typical NSW Liberal spoiling of QLD Labor Christmas.

I agree. Second rate Bond villains. You are here to die Mr NSWer.

Oh apparently they Went Back Where They Came From…

Queensland records three new non-locally acquired cases

Two of today’s new cases were acquired overseas and detected in hotel quarantine.

The third case is a NSW resident who travelled to Queensland by air this week, tested positive, and has since returned to New South Wales.

Bugger!

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

I agree. Second rate Bond villains. You are here to die Mr NSWer.

Oh apparently they Went Back Where They Came From…

Queensland records three new non-locally acquired cases

Two of today’s new cases were acquired overseas and detected in hotel quarantine.

The third case is a NSW resident who travelled to Queensland by air this week, tested positive, and has since returned to New South Wales.

Bugger!

This virus is desperate to travel the world despite the fences.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

There’s nowhere to run from from here.

Heard Island, maybe?

It’s snot an easy run.

I live in the highest town in Qld. People run TO here not away.

Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:
‘Other countries have shortened their quarantine periods — but why hasn’t Australia?

Candice Prosse
While countries such as the UK have reduced their quarantine requirements in recent days, Australian states have started to reimpose travel restrictions amid the Northern Beaches cluster. But why has 14 days been set as the mandatory minimum isolation period?’

Because:

A. it works
B. we’re not as stupid as some
C. all of the above

Perhaps the ABC might like to go to a few of their repeated authorities on these matters, and interview a plethora of them whinging cafe/restaurant owners to get the answer on that one.

But it’s a different brand of whinging cafe/restaurant owners this time. It’s NSW ones. Surely they won’t whinge like us Victorians…

(And it isn’t gonna help much that we are only a week out from Christmas as this swings up)

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Heard Island, maybe?

It’s snot an easy run.

I live in the highest town in Qld. People run TO here not away.

I’m at the end of the road with 3 boundaries of what is described as C grade wilderness.

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s snot an easy run.

I live in the highest town in Qld. People run TO here not away.

I’m at the end of the road with 3 boundaries of what is described as C grade wilderness.

Mine is classified Dry Sclerophyll but rainforest in the Millstream watercourse gully.

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

I live in the highest town in Qld. People run TO here not away.

I’m at the end of the road with 3 boundaries of what is described as C grade wilderness.

Mine is classified Dry Sclerophyll but rainforest in the Millstream watercourse gully.

I’m on a low bump on an ephemeral floodplain in the middle of a village of idiots.

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

I live in the highest town in Qld. People run TO here not away.

I’m at the end of the road with 3 boundaries of what is described as C grade wilderness.

Mine is classified Dry Sclerophyll but rainforest in the Millstream watercourse gully.

Wet Sclerophyll rainforest. Seasonally waterlogged.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

There’s nowhere to run from from here.

Heard Island, maybe?

It’s snot an easy run.

Wadda ya mean? It’s all downhill ain’t it?

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Heard Island, maybe?

It’s snot an easy run.

Wadda ya mean? It’s all downhill ain’t it?

It’s all downhill from here.

;(

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Heard Island, maybe?

It’s snot an easy run.

Wadda ya mean? It’s all downhill ain’t it?

Looking for Heard immunity?

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s snot an easy run.

Wadda ya mean? It’s all downhill ain’t it?

Looking for Heard immunity?

Never Heard of it…

A top Trump appointee repeatedly urged top health officials to adopt a “herd immunity” approach to Covid-19 and allow millions of Americans to be infected by the virus, according to internal emails obtained by a House watchdog and shared with POLITICO.

“There is no other way, we need to establish herd, and it only comes about allowing the non-high risk groups expose themselves to the virus. PERIOD,” then-science adviser Paul Alexander wrote on July 4 to his boss, Health and Human Services assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo, and six other senior officials.

“Infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle aged with no conditions etc. have zero to little risk….so we use them to develop herd…we want them infected…” Alexander added.

“t may be that it will be best if we open up and flood the zone and let the kids and young folk get infected” in order to get “natural immunity…natural exposure,” Alexander wrote on July 24 to Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn, Caputo and eight other senior officials. Caputo subsequently asked Alexander to research the idea, according to emails obtained by the House Oversight Committee’s select subcommittee on coronavirus.

Alexander also argued that colleges should stay open to allow Covid-19 infections to spread, lamenting in a July 27 email to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield that “we essentially took off the battlefield the most potent weapon we had…younger healthy people, children, teens, young people who we needed to fastly infect themselves, spread it around, develop immunity, and help stop the spread.”

Alexander was a top deputy of Caputo, who was personally installed by President Donald Trump in April to lead the health department’s communications efforts. Officials told POLITICO that they believed that when Alexander made recommendations, he had the backing of the White House.

“It was understood that he spoke for Michael Caputo, who spoke for the White House,” said Kyle McGowan, a Trump appointee who was CDC chief of staff before leaving this summer. “That’s how they wanted it to be perceived.”

Senior Trump officials have repeatedly denied that herd immunity — a concept advocated by some conservatives as a tactic to control Covid-19 by deliberately exposing less vulnerable populations in hopes of re-opening the economy — was under consideration or shaped the White House’s approach to the pandemic. “Herd immunity is not the strategy of the U.S. government with regard to coronavirus,” HHS Secretary Alex Azar testified in a hearing before the House coronavirus subcommittee on Oct. 2.

In his emails, Alexander also spent months attacking government scientists and pushing to shape official statements to be more favorable to President Donald Trump.

For instance, Alexander acknowledges in a May 30 email that a draft statement from the CDC about how Covid-19 was disproportionately affecting minority populations was “very accurate,” but he warned HHS and CDC communications officials that “in this election cycle that is the kind of statement coming from CDC that the media and Democrat antagonists will use against the president.” The problems were “due to decades of democrat neglect,” Alexander alleged.

Alexander also appeared to acknowledge that the White House’s own push to let states wind down their Covid-19 restrictions was leading to a spike in cases.

“There is a rise in cases due to testing and also simultaneously due to the relaxing of restrictions, less social distancing,” Alexander wrote in a July 24 email. “We always knew as you relax and open up, cases will rise.”

The emails represent an unusual window on the internal deliberations of the Trump administration, and the tensions between political appointees like Alexander — a part-time professor at a Canadian university — and staff members in health agencies. On Sept. 16, HHS announced that Alexander would be leaving the department, just days after POLITICO first reported on his efforts to shape the CDC’s famed Morbidity and Mortality and Weekly Reports and pressure government scientist Anthony Fauci from speaking about the risks of Covid-19 to children.

In a statement, an HHS spokesperson said that Alexander’s demands for herd immunity “absolutely did not” shape department strategy.

“Dr. Paul Alexander previously served as a temporary Senior Policy Advisor to the Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and is no longer employed at the Department,” the spokesperson said.

Alexander did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Caputo, who took medical leave the same day that Alexander left the department, has referred previous inquiries to HHS.

Public health experts have decried calls to deliberately infect younger, healthier Americans with Covid-19, saying that it would unnecessarily put millions of people at risk of long-term complications and even death. “We certainly are not wanting to wait back and just let people get infected so that you can develop herd immunity. That’s certainly not my approach,” Fauci said in September.

Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), who chairs the coronavirus subcommittee, said in a statement that the documents “show a pernicious pattern of political interference by Administration officials.”

“As the virus spread through the country, these officials callously wrote, ‘who cares’ and ‘we want them infected,’” Clyburn added. “They privately admitted they ‘always knew’ the President’s policies would cause a ‘rise’ in cases, and they plotted to blame the spread of the virus on career scientists.”

Clyburn said that the documents — which the Trump administration only released to his subcommittee after the election, more than two months after his probe began — underscore why HHS must cooperate with his investigation and that CDC Director Redfield must appear for an interview about an email that he allegedly told staff to delete. Otherwise, “I will be forced to start issuing subpoenas,” Clyburn said.

The email cache provided a real-time look at the administration’s deliberations as the Covid-19 crisis first began to rebound during the summer

“So the bottom line is if it is more infectiouness now, the issue is who cares?” Alexander wrote in a July 3 email to the health department’s top communications officials. “If it is causing more cases in young, my word is who cares…as long as we make sensible decisions, and protect the elderely and nursing homes, we must go on with life….who cares if we test more and get more positive tests.”

“How can this be researched and proven true or false?” Caputo asked Alexander in one July 25 email exchange, after Alexander had emailed Hahn and nine top communications officials across HHS and FDA about the value of herd immunity.

Alexander wrote back with data that he said he’d pulled from several studies, including a link to a June 30 Quanta Magazine article about the “tricky math” of herd immunity.

“I did not want to look like a nut ball and if as they think and as I think this may be true … several hard hit areas may have hit heard at 20% like NYC,” Alexander added. “hat’s my argument….why not consider it?”

The health department has worked to distance itself from Alexander since his mid-September departure, and several Trump appointees said that Alexander was often isolated during his roughly six-month stint advising department officials.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/trump-appointee-demanded-herd-immunity-strategy-446408

California’s rise in cases. Thanksgiving was three weeks ago. The second graph is Minnesota, where the governor was forced to back down on restrictions, sending cases skyrocketing.

I’ve been thinking seriously of saying something to Mrs Ohio and getting blocked. Seriously..I can’t understand how anyone can think Trump is still one of the great men in history. And It would be so easy to pick apart her posts. And I would only need one go.

sarahs mum said:

I’ve been thinking seriously of saying something to Mrs Ohio and getting blocked. Seriously..I can’t understand how anyone can think Trump is still one of the great men in history. And It would be so easy to pick apart her posts. And I would only need one go.

Just think of this. By reading her stuff you are bumping up her hits so she looks like someone should read her stuff. If everyone walked away from such people, their fame would extinguish

sarahs mum said:

I’ve been thinking seriously of saying something to Mrs Ohio and getting blocked. Seriously..I can’t understand how anyone can think Trump is still one of the great men in history. And It would be so easy to pick apart her posts. And I would only need one go.

I don’t know how you can stand reading that couple’s rubbish.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I’ve been thinking seriously of saying something to Mrs Ohio and getting blocked. Seriously..I can’t understand how anyone can think Trump is still one of the great men in history. And It would be so easy to pick apart her posts. And I would only need one go.

Just think of this. By reading her stuff you are bumping up her hits so she looks like someone should read her stuff. If everyone walked away from such people, their fame would extinguish

Not really. She is just on my Facebook and I have backed over the years and just remained stunned with what she posts. But she given me an inkling of how bad the trump supporters are in what they think and what they do.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-18/is-nsw-doing-enough-to-contain-covid-outbreak-in-sydney/12997732

>>NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said sewage testing returned negative results on December 10, which suggests the cluster is relatively new and has not been bubbling away out of sight for weeks.<<

Alternatively, the sample taken happened to be a clean one and they missed the bit of water with the stuff in it.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-18/is-nsw-doing-enough-to-contain-covid-outbreak-in-sydney/12997732

>>NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said sewage testing returned negative results on December 10, which suggests the cluster is relatively new and has not been bubbling away out of sight for weeks.<<

Alternatively, the sample taken happened to be a clean one and they missed the bit of water with the stuff in it.

Or because of heavy rain.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-18/is-nsw-doing-enough-to-contain-covid-outbreak-in-sydney/12997732

>>NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said sewage testing returned negative results on December 10, which suggests the cluster is relatively new and has not been bubbling away out of sight for weeks.<<

Alternatively, the sample taken happened to be a clean one and they missed the bit of water with the stuff in it.

Or because of heavy rain.

Dilution you reckon?

Can they fit corona sensors to planes, buses, hostels etc?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can they fit corona sensors to planes, buses, hostels etc?

they already have, trouble is the Freedom Fighters have been cutting them off

and since we’re dredging up the old goodies anyone else remember this

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can they fit corona sensors to planes, buses, hostels etc?

they already have, trouble is the Freedom Fighters have been cutting them off

PMSL

Fantastic one!

:)

“Subject: re: Coronavirus Dec 13-19

A top Trump appointee repeatedly urged top health officials to adopt a “herd immunity” approach to Covid-19 and allow millions of Americans to be infected by the virus, according to internal emails obtained by a House watchdog and shared with POLITICO.”

Ah well at least one of their plans came to fruition

sibeen said:

There was a slew of memes about cities employing terrible local teenager metal bands for same.

I see NSW has counted some more positive tests.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

America is not improving.

Dear oh dear, Mike Pence has been inoculated with corona virus and autism.

Witty…you are going to love this one…

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

:)

(It’s a bit ratty, but moderately entertaining)

White House Official Recovers From Severe Covid-19, Friend SaysBy 

Jennifer Jacobs

A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-14/white-house-official-recovers-from-severe-covid-19-friend-says

dv said:

White House Official Recovers From Severe Covid-19, Friend SaysBy 

Jennifer Jacobs

A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-14/white-house-official-recovers-from-severe-covid-19-friend-says

That is just so off.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

White House Official Recovers From Severe Covid-19, Friend SaysBy 

Jennifer Jacobs

A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-14/white-house-official-recovers-from-severe-covid-19-friend-says

That is just so off.

I wonder whether he is entitled to some form of worker’s compensation.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

White House Official Recovers From Severe Covid-19, Friend SaysBy 

Jennifer Jacobs

A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-14/white-house-official-recovers-from-severe-covid-19-friend-says

That is just so off.

I wonder whether he is entitled to some form of worker’s compensation.

He probably doesn’t get holidays let alone worker’s comp.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

White House Official Recovers From Severe Covid-19, Friend SaysBy 

Jennifer Jacobs

A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-14/white-house-official-recovers-from-severe-covid-19-friend-says

That is just so off.

I wonder whether he is entitled to some form of worker’s compensation.

That’s a piss poor gofundme, if the Donald drank he’d spill that on a Friday night with wind assistance.
God he’d be a danger to himself and the world if he drank.
Imagine his twitter feed if he was holed up in some seedy Manhattan night club at 2 am.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

That is just so off.

I wonder whether he is entitled to some form of worker’s compensation.

He probably doesn’t get holidays let alone worker’s comp.

sigh

It is the land of the free…

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

That is just so off.

I wonder whether he is entitled to some form of worker’s compensation.

That’s a piss poor gofundme, if the Donald drank he’d spill that on a Friday night with wind assistance.
God he’d be a danger to himself and the world if he drank.
Imagine his twitter feed if he was holed up in some seedy Manhattan night club at 2 am.

As of a couple of weeks ago a third of Gofundmes were asking for help with medical expenses.

buffy said:

Witty…you are going to love this one…

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

:)

(It’s a bit ratty, but moderately entertaining)

Dear oh dear…

They’re probably lying but hell it’s almost as if controlling a pandemic quickly would result in a V-shaped recovery ¡

—

Kiwis have a much higher reliance on tourism and open borders than we do. Yet GDP in the September quarter, with the borders closed, and even with some restrictions being put back in place in Auckland during the quarter, rose a staggering 14 per cent, after falling 11 per cent in the June quarter.

By comparison, Australia recorded growth of 3.3 per cent in the September quarter, after falling 7 per cent the previous quarter.

New Zealand recorded a fall of 2.2 per cent in its annual average growth, while year on year growth in Australia (a different measure) fell 3.8 per cent.

There were plenty of doomsayers in Australia who criticised the Ardern government’s COVID elimination strategy, the harshness of its early lockdown, and the size of its fiscal stimulus.

It is worth noting that the bounceback in the New Zealand economy occurred despite the fact that the New Zealand government’s wage subsidy scheme (the equivalent of JobKeeper) finished in the June quarter, and an extension to it ended on September 1.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty…you are going to love this one…

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

:)

(It’s a bit ratty, but moderately entertaining)

Dear oh dear…

Cherries, cherries, anyone for cherries.

SCIENCE said:

They’re probably lying but hell it’s almost as if controlling a pandemic quickly would result in a V-shaped recovery ¡

—

Kiwis have a much higher reliance on tourism and open borders than we do. Yet GDP in the September quarter, with the borders closed, and even with some restrictions being put back in place in Auckland during the quarter, rose a staggering 14 per cent, after falling 11 per cent in the June quarter.

By comparison, Australia recorded growth of 3.3 per cent in the September quarter, after falling 7 per cent the previous quarter.

New Zealand recorded a fall of 2.2 per cent in its annual average growth, while year on year growth in Australia (a different measure) fell 3.8 per cent.

There were plenty of doomsayers in Australia who criticised the Ardern government’s COVID elimination strategy, the harshness of its early lockdown, and the size of its fiscal stimulus.

It is worth noting that the bounceback in the New Zealand economy occurred despite the fact that the New Zealand government’s wage subsidy scheme (the equivalent of JobKeeper) finished in the June quarter, and an extension to it ended on September 1.

Where’s that from?

Millions of coronavirus vaccines sitting in warehouse, waiting on government instructions, Pfizer says

Pfizer issued a statement late Thursday saying the company isn’t having issues in production or distribution.

“Pfizer is not having any production issues with our COVID-19 vaccine, and no shipments containing the vaccine are on hold or delayed. This week, we successfully shipped all 2.9 million doses that we were asked to ship by the U.S. Government to the locations specified by them. We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses,” the company said in a statement.

Several states say they have been told to expect far fewer doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in its second week of distribution.

In recent days, governors and health leaders in more than a dozen states have said the federal government has told them that next week’s shipment of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine will be less than originally projected.

Little explanation was offered, leaving many state officials perplexed.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, wrote on Twitter Thursday after learning from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the state’s allocation would be cut by 40%. “We need accurate, predictable numbers to plan and ensure on-the-ground success.”

California, where an increase in cases is straining intensive care units to the breaking point, will receive 160,000 fewer vaccine doses than state officials had anticipated next week — a roughly 40% reduction.

California hospitals began vaccinations this week from the first Pfizer shipment of 327,000 doses and had expected even more to arrive next week. Instead, officials have been told to expect about 233,000 doses, said Erin Mellon, a spokeswoman for Gov. Gavin Newsom.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/millions-of-coronavirus-vaccines-sitting-in-warehouse-waiting-on-government-instructions-pfizer-says/

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

They’re probably lying but hell it’s almost as if controlling a pandemic quickly would result in a V-shaped recovery ¡

—

Kiwis have a much higher reliance on tourism and open borders than we do. Yet GDP in the September quarter, with the borders closed, and even with some restrictions being put back in place in Auckland during the quarter, rose a staggering 14 per cent, after falling 11 per cent in the June quarter.

By comparison, Australia recorded growth of 3.3 per cent in the September quarter, after falling 7 per cent the previous quarter.

New Zealand recorded a fall of 2.2 per cent in its annual average growth, while year on year growth in Australia (a different measure) fell 3.8 per cent.

There were plenty of doomsayers in Australia who criticised the Ardern government’s COVID elimination strategy, the harshness of its early lockdown, and the size of its fiscal stimulus.

It is worth noting that the bounceback in the New Zealand economy occurred despite the fact that the New Zealand government’s wage subsidy scheme (the equivalent of JobKeeper) finished in the June quarter, and an extension to it ended on September 1.

Where’s that from?

Don’t worry…

SCIENCE said:

They’re probably lying but hell it’s almost as if controlling a pandemic quickly would result in a V-shaped recovery ¡

—

Kiwis have a much higher reliance on tourism and open borders than we do. Yet GDP in the September quarter, with the borders closed, and even with some restrictions being put back in place in Auckland during the quarter, rose a staggering 14 per cent, after falling 11 per cent in the June quarter.

By comparison, Australia recorded growth of 3.3 per cent in the September quarter, after falling 7 per cent the previous quarter.

New Zealand recorded a fall of 2.2 per cent in its annual average growth, while year on year growth in Australia (a different measure) fell 3.8 per cent.

There were plenty of doomsayers in Australia who criticised the Ardern government’s COVID elimination strategy, the harshness of its early lockdown, and the size of its fiscal stimulus.

It is worth noting that the bounceback in the New Zealand economy occurred despite the fact that the New Zealand government’s wage subsidy scheme (the equivalent of JobKeeper) finished in the June quarter, and an extension to it ended on September 1.

I have read a few times of a K shaped recovery. That is some getting richer quickly and some getting poorer quickly.

dv said:

Millions of coronavirus vaccines sitting in warehouse, waiting on government instructions, Pfizer says

Pfizer issued a statement late Thursday saying the company isn’t having issues in production or distribution.

“Pfizer is not having any production issues with our COVID-19 vaccine, and no shipments containing the vaccine are on hold or delayed. This week, we successfully shipped all 2.9 million doses that we were asked to ship by the U.S. Government to the locations specified by them. We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses,” the company said in a statement.

Several states say they have been told to expect far fewer doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in its second week of distribution.

In recent days, governors and health leaders in more than a dozen states have said the federal government has told them that next week’s shipment of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine will be less than originally projected.

Little explanation was offered, leaving many state officials perplexed.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, wrote on Twitter Thursday after learning from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the state’s allocation would be cut by 40%. “We need accurate, predictable numbers to plan and ensure on-the-ground success.”

California, where an increase in cases is straining intensive care units to the breaking point, will receive 160,000 fewer vaccine doses than state officials had anticipated next week — a roughly 40% reduction.

California hospitals began vaccinations this week from the first Pfizer shipment of 327,000 doses and had expected even more to arrive next week. Instead, officials have been told to expect about 233,000 doses, said Erin Mellon, a spokeswoman for Gov. Gavin Newsom.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/millions-of-coronavirus-vaccines-sitting-in-warehouse-waiting-on-government-instructions-pfizer-says/

I wonder if Texas that seemed to be on the list to get more than its fair share of vaccines has got more than its fair share of vaccines.

buffy said:

I see NSW has counted some more positive tests.

how many

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I see NSW has counted some more positive tests.

how many

13 I think

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

They’re probably lying but hell it’s almost as if controlling a pandemic quickly would result in a V-shaped recovery ¡

Where’s that from?

Don’t worry…

your ABC, but we’re not worried about that

we’re worried about this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/nsw-sydney-northern-beaches-enters-coronavirus-lockdown/13000358

Sydney’s Northern Beaches will be locked down until Wednesday after NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian confirmed 23 new COVID-19 cases, including 10 that were reported yesterday.

People in Greater Sydney have also been urged to limit their activity

Ms Berejiklian also flagged that restrictions could be extended across Greater Sydney if it was warranted.

—

Remember the Garbage Standard ring-fencing strategy that prevented a second wave in VIC ¿

No, because it didn’t ¿

GOLD

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I see NSW has counted some more positive tests.

how many

13 I think

fk

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

how many

13 I think

fk

ABC keeps a running commentary going, you know:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-northern-beaches/12999740

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-could-trick-some-immune-systems-into-making-antibodies-that-turn-against-you

Michael V said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-could-trick-some-immune-systems-into-making-antibodies-that-turn-against-you

I had a look at the paper. There doesn’t seem to be any information at all about any co-morbidities amongst the patients with COVID19 who were investigated. Unless they were excluded for the following reasons, no other information is given. I think this probably detracts from the findings because you can’t assume these were normal healthy people who came down with COVID19 and had to be hospitalized. It is possible any co-existing general health problems may have messed with their immune systems.

>>This cohort includes 172 patients seen at Yale-New Haven Hospital with a range of clinical severities and 22 healthcare workers with mild illness or asymptomatic infection. Longitudinal samples were screened for a subset of the cohort. Patients were excluded from subsequent analysis if they were undergoing active chemotherapy for malignancy; possessed any metastatic disease burden; were receiving pharmacological immunosuppression for solid organ transplant; or had received convalescent COVID-19 plasma as part of a clinical trial. <<

Actually, re-reading that, it doesn’t actually say how many subjects they ended up with. I’d better go back to the paper and see if I can find it.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

13 I think

fk

ABC keeps a running commentary going, you know:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-northern-beaches/12999740

cheers thanks

we try to get multiple sources

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

fk

ABC keeps a running commentary going, you know:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-northern-beaches/12999740

cheers thanks

we try to get multiple sources

It’s useful for it’s cover of the various press conferences in each state.

Mmm. Cherries. Nice cherries. I should have taken them out of the fridge earlier. The flavour is better at room temperature.

I think I’m starting to fade a bit. I got up at about 6.00am. Bruna and I did a 5km walk. I’ve done some hours of weeding and raking of gravel in Auntie Annie’s. I should go and photograph that for my Letter to Mum to be sent on Monday. It will give me something to write about.

buffy said:

Mmm. Cherries. Nice cherries. I should have taken them out of the fridge earlier. The flavour is better at room temperature.

I think I’m starting to fade a bit. I got up at about 6.00am. Bruna and I did a 5km walk. I’ve done some hours of weeding and raking of gravel in Auntie Annie’s. I should go and photograph that for my Letter to Mum to be sent on Monday. It will give me something to write about.

Sorry, forgot to change threads.

buffy said:

buffy said:

Mmm. Cherries. Nice cherries. I should have taken them out of the fridge earlier. The flavour is better at room temperature.

I think I’m starting to fade a bit. I got up at about 6.00am. Bruna and I did a 5km walk. I’ve done some hours of weeding and raking of gravel in Auntie Annie’s. I should go and photograph that for my Letter to Mum to be sent on Monday. It will give me something to write about.

Sorry, forgot to change threads.

I did mention cherries in this thread an hour or so ago.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Mmm. Cherries. Nice cherries. I should have taken them out of the fridge earlier. The flavour is better at room temperature.

I think I’m starting to fade a bit. I got up at about 6.00am. Bruna and I did a 5km walk. I’ve done some hours of weeding and raking of gravel in Auntie Annie’s. I should go and photograph that for my Letter to Mum to be sent on Monday. It will give me something to write about.

Sorry, forgot to change threads.

I did mention cherries in this thread an hour or so ago.

Peachy!

sibeen said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Mmm. Cherries. Nice cherries. I should have taken them out of the fridge earlier. The flavour is better at room temperature.

I think I’m starting to fade a bit. I got up at about 6.00am. Bruna and I did a 5km walk. I’ve done some hours of weeding and raking of gravel in Auntie Annie’s. I should go and photograph that for my Letter to Mum to be sent on Monday. It will give me something to write about.

Sorry, forgot to change threads.

I did mention cherries in this thread an hour or so ago.

I noticed that.

buffy said:

buffy said:

Mmm. Cherries. Nice cherries. I should have taken them out of the fridge earlier. The flavour is better at room temperature.

I think I’m starting to fade a bit. I got up at about 6.00am. Bruna and I did a 5km walk. I’ve done some hours of weeding and raking of gravel in Auntie Annie’s. I should go and photograph that for my Letter to Mum to be sent on Monday. It will give me something to write about.

Sorry, forgot to change threads.

Too right. No cherry-picking in this thread!

“Any Queenslanders returning from Northern Beaches will have to hotel quarantine,” said Health Minister Yvette D’Ath.
“As I said, if you have been there from the 11 December. Everyone else coming from New South Wales, from 1am tomorrow morning, will need a border pass declaration.”
“You will be able to go on line and apply for that declaration from 8pm this evening.

That’s as clear as mud.
Anyway they can get rogered and burnt, it’s nuts.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Millions of coronavirus vaccines sitting in warehouse, waiting on government instructions, Pfizer says

Pfizer issued a statement late Thursday saying the company isn’t having issues in production or distribution.

“Pfizer is not having any production issues with our COVID-19 vaccine, and no shipments containing the vaccine are on hold or delayed. This week, we successfully shipped all 2.9 million doses that we were asked to ship by the U.S. Government to the locations specified by them. We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses,” the company said in a statement.

Several states say they have been told to expect far fewer doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in its second week of distribution.

In recent days, governors and health leaders in more than a dozen states have said the federal government has told them that next week’s shipment of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine will be less than originally projected.

Little explanation was offered, leaving many state officials perplexed.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, wrote on Twitter Thursday after learning from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the state’s allocation would be cut by 40%. “We need accurate, predictable numbers to plan and ensure on-the-ground success.”

California, where an increase in cases is straining intensive care units to the breaking point, will receive 160,000 fewer vaccine doses than state officials had anticipated next week — a roughly 40% reduction.

California hospitals began vaccinations this week from the first Pfizer shipment of 327,000 doses and had expected even more to arrive next week. Instead, officials have been told to expect about 233,000 doses, said Erin Mellon, a spokeswoman for Gov. Gavin Newsom.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/millions-of-coronavirus-vaccines-sitting-in-warehouse-waiting-on-government-instructions-pfizer-says/

I wonder if Texas that seemed to be on the list to get more than its fair share of vaccines has got more than its fair share of vaccines.

shakes fist at Biden

This is an impressive bit of tracing.

Route B1-1, 14 December, Departing Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd 6.55am, arriving Wynyard Station, York Street Stand M, 7.50am
Route B1-2, 14 December, Departing Wynyard Station Stand B 5.45pm, arriving Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, 6.40pm
Route B1-1, 15 December, Departing Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd 6.35am, arriving Wynyard Station Stand M, 7.35am
Route B1-2, 15 December, Departing Wynyard Station Stand B 5.25pm, arriving Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, 6.20pm
Route B1-1, 16 December 2020, Departing Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, arriving Wynyard Station Stand M, 7.35am
Route B1-2, 16 December 2020, Departing Wynyard Station Stand B 4.45pm, arriving Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, 5.30pm

Peak Warming Man said:

“Any Queenslanders returning from Northern Beaches will have to hotel quarantine,” said Health Minister Yvette D’Ath.
“As I said, if you have been there from the 11 December. Everyone else coming from New South Wales, from 1am tomorrow morning, will need a border pass declaration.”
“You will be able to go on line and apply for that declaration from 8pm this evening.

That’s as clear as mud.
Anyway they can get rogered and burnt, it’s nuts.

Clarified by Qld Health Department on their web page, the above was so misleading.
Anyway I’m fine to cross the border tomorrow without a pass and I doubt they have a border entry post set up again.

Rule, Rule, Rule!

Apparently you need proper quarantine centres!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/northern-beaches-covid-gaps-in-hotel-quarantine-system/12997972

buffy said:

Rule, Rule, Rule!

Apparently you need proper quarantine centres!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/northern-beaches-covid-gaps-in-hotel-quarantine-system/12997972

Indeed, we don’t always sea aye two aye with everyone here but, aye.

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Professor Marylouise McLaws, an epidemiologist and advisor to the World Health Organization, concedes “every system has its weaknesses”.

But after successive outbreaks linked to hotel quarantine — including Victoria’s second wave — she believes it’s time to “seriously look at the longevity of this program” and triage returning travellers “to identify if they’re from high or low risk countries”.

“And they shouldn’t come into high density cities, they should really go somewhere like the Howard Springs quarantine station, or some sort of regional area… because they are placing the communities at risk,” she says.

“If you put them away from high density living, then you have less risk of it coming into highly populated areas.

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fk we mean we even did it with those Australian Citizens DIRTY CHINESE right at the start, sent them where they belong, Christmas Island, but how come it’s Christmas soon and we aren’t doing it any more