Ten factory ships have arrived in the English Channel in the past three weeks – a sharp increase that some suspect could be driven by Brexit.

Activists who have documented dolphins and porpoises washed up on beaches say deaths invariably rise when the giant fishing vessels appear.

Of 18 cetaceans found dead in Sussex since September last year, 15 were recorded when supertrawlers were in the area. The mammals chase the same species of small fish as the supertrawlers catch so are drawn to their nets.

The fleet, mostly Dutch, started arriving last month, and their numbers gradually swelled to reach 10 on Friday. Two have been there for nearly three weeks – longer than supertrawlers usually stay.

Supertrawlers are industrial vessels more than 100-metres long with nets measuring up to a mile, which catch hundreds of tonnes of fish a day. Their bycatch includes dolphins, porpoises and seals.

Marine wildlife monitors say the vessels are destroying fish stocks, killing non-target species, harming sustainable fishing communities and destroying marine ecosystems.

Thea Taylor said: “Between them, these supertrawlers have not only caught masses of their target fish species but tonnes of fish and marine life that they do not want, including marine mammals. These are usually ground down for animal feed or thrown back dead as bycatch.

“We see a surge in dead dolphins on Sussex beaches when supertrawlers are here or during the weeks after.

“Although the UK government already recognises cetacean species to be protected by law, bycatch caused by factory trawlers continues.”

Shadow environment secretary Luke Pollard told The Independent: “We shouldn’t have any supertrawlers in British waters at all. The government voted against a Labour amendment to ban them from protected areas, even though they’re hugely environmentally damaging.

“They land all their catches abroad so there’s not UK PLC interest in them so why is the government protecting them?”

A spokesman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “From 1 January 2021, we will be an independent coastal state and will be able to decide which vessels, including supertrawlers, can access and fish our waters.

“The new licensing framework within the Fisheries Act will allow us to apply conditions to the activities of all fishing vessels in our waters, regardless of their nationality, and will need to abide by UK rules around sustainability and access to our ‘Blue Belt’ of protected waters.”

PermeateFree said:

Ten factory ships have arrived in the English Channel in the past three weeks – a sharp increase that some suspect could be driven by Brexit.

Activists who have documented dolphins and porpoises washed up on beaches say deaths invariably rise when the giant fishing vessels appear.

Of 18 cetaceans found dead in Sussex since September last year, 15 were recorded when supertrawlers were in the area. The mammals chase the same species of small fish as the supertrawlers catch so are drawn to their nets.

The fleet, mostly Dutch, started arriving last month, and their numbers gradually swelled to reach 10 on Friday. Two have been there for nearly three weeks – longer than supertrawlers usually stay.

Supertrawlers are industrial vessels more than 100-metres long with nets measuring up to a mile, which catch hundreds of tonnes of fish a day. Their bycatch includes dolphins, porpoises and seals.

Marine wildlife monitors say the vessels are destroying fish stocks, killing non-target species, harming sustainable fishing communities and destroying marine ecosystems.

Thea Taylor said: “Between them, these supertrawlers have not only caught masses of their target fish species but tonnes of fish and marine life that they do not want, including marine mammals. These are usually ground down for animal feed or thrown back dead as bycatch.

“We see a surge in dead dolphins on Sussex beaches when supertrawlers are here or during the weeks after.

“Although the UK government already recognises cetacean species to be protected by law, bycatch caused by factory trawlers continues.”

Shadow environment secretary Luke Pollard told The Independent: “We shouldn’t have any supertrawlers in British waters at all. The government voted against a Labour amendment to ban them from protected areas, even though they’re hugely environmentally damaging.

“They land all their catches abroad so there’s not UK PLC interest in them so why is the government protecting them?”

A spokesman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “From 1 January 2021, we will be an independent coastal state and will be able to decide which vessels, including supertrawlers, can access and fish our waters.

“The new licensing framework within the Fisheries Act will allow us to apply conditions to the activities of all fishing vessels in our waters, regardless of their nationality, and will need to abide by UK rules around sustainability and access to our ‘Blue Belt’ of protected waters.”

i posted s omething last night about threats of warships

sarahs mum said:

PermeateFree said:

Ten factory ships have arrived in the English Channel in the past three weeks – a sharp increase that some suspect could be driven by Brexit.

Activists who have documented dolphins and porpoises washed up on beaches say deaths invariably rise when the giant fishing vessels appear.

Of 18 cetaceans found dead in Sussex since September last year, 15 were recorded when supertrawlers were in the area. The mammals chase the same species of small fish as the supertrawlers catch so are drawn to their nets.

The fleet, mostly Dutch, started arriving last month, and their numbers gradually swelled to reach 10 on Friday. Two have been there for nearly three weeks – longer than supertrawlers usually stay.

Supertrawlers are industrial vessels more than 100-metres long with nets measuring up to a mile, which catch hundreds of tonnes of fish a day. Their bycatch includes dolphins, porpoises and seals.

Marine wildlife monitors say the vessels are destroying fish stocks, killing non-target species, harming sustainable fishing communities and destroying marine ecosystems.

Thea Taylor said: “Between them, these supertrawlers have not only caught masses of their target fish species but tonnes of fish and marine life that they do not want, including marine mammals. These are usually ground down for animal feed or thrown back dead as bycatch.

“We see a surge in dead dolphins on Sussex beaches when supertrawlers are here or during the weeks after.

“Although the UK government already recognises cetacean species to be protected by law, bycatch caused by factory trawlers continues.”

Shadow environment secretary Luke Pollard told The Independent: “We shouldn’t have any supertrawlers in British waters at all. The government voted against a Labour amendment to ban them from protected areas, even though they’re hugely environmentally damaging.

“They land all their catches abroad so there’s not UK PLC interest in them so why is the government protecting them?”

A spokesman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “From 1 January 2021, we will be an independent coastal state and will be able to decide which vessels, including supertrawlers, can access and fish our waters.

“The new licensing framework within the Fisheries Act will allow us to apply conditions to the activities of all fishing vessels in our waters, regardless of their nationality, and will need to abide by UK rules around sustainability and access to our ‘Blue Belt’ of protected waters.”

i posted s omething last night about threats of warships

They apparently can only operate after January 1st 2021.

Send the royal navy to sink them.

You tell them to leave your traditional fishing areas and if they don’t – sink them.

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Codswallop you think?

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Codswallop you think?

Fishslapping? No. An exaggeration? Yes.

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Codswallop you think?

Fishslapping? No. An exaggeration? Yes.

A red herring perhaps?

wookiemeister said:

Send the royal navy to sink them.

You tell them to leave your traditional fishing areas and if they don’t – sink them.

Of course, you know this means war?

Some of you have taken the bait.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Codswallop you think?

Fishslapping? No. An exaggeration? Yes.

A red herring perhaps?

This is no time to flounder about. Put these exaggerators in their plaice.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Send the royal navy to sink them.

You tell them to leave your traditional fishing areas and if they don’t – sink them.

Of course, you know this means war?

With who

Its already war if they are taking food out of your mouth

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dark Orange said:

Fishslapping? No. An exaggeration? Yes.

A red herring perhaps?

This is no time to flounder about. Put these exaggerators in their plaice.

A whale of a tale.

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Send the royal navy to sink them.

You tell them to leave your traditional fishing areas and if they don’t – sink them.

Of course, you know this means war?

With who

Its already war if they are taking food out of your mouth

Tell that to the Orca.

Australia lets super trawlers destroy its marine life in its hemisphere of influence because its got a stupid government.

wookiemeister said:

Australia lets super trawlers destroy its marine life in its hemisphere of influence because its got a stupid government.

Once Rupert dies, who’s going to run the place?

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

Send the royal navy to sink them.

You tell them to leave your traditional fishing areas and if they don’t – sink them.

Of course, you know this means war?

With who

Its already war if they are taking food out of your mouth

Do we declare war when companies shift their operations to other countries, depriving local workers of their livelihoods (i.e. ‘taking food out of their mouths’)?

Did we declare when Ford and GM shut down their factories here, achieving the same effect?

Would we declare war if other countries undercut Australia’s prices for agricultural products or raw materials, possibly with the help of subsidies from their governments, depriving Australian farmers and mine workers of their living?

wookiemeister said:

Australia lets super trawlers destroy its marine life in its hemisphere of influence because its got a stupid government.

We let them do it because if we made a fuss and it went to court, we may find out we have no legal right to the waters.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

Of course, you know this means war?

With who

Its already war if they are taking food out of your mouth

Do we declare war when companies shift their operations to other countries, depriving local workers of their livelihoods (i.e. ‘taking food out of their mouths’)?

Did we declare when Ford and GM shut down their factories here, achieving the same effect?

Would we declare war if other countries undercut Australia’s prices for agricultural products or raw materials, possibly with the help of subsidies from their governments, depriving Australian farmers and mine workers of their living?

Its a food source

Its why depriving countries down stream of diverted/ dammed rivers of water is an act of war. Egypt has already put into plans to attack upstream dams on the Nile.

Food and water – basic stuff

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

Australia lets super trawlers destroy its marine life in its hemisphere of influence because its got a stupid government.

We let them do it because if we made a fuss and it went to court, we may find out we have no legal right to the waters.

Land ( and sea) is the essence of the state

Sun tzu – the art of war.

If you are giving away land and sea it means that your public service / government has been infiltrated by a foreign power ( chapter 5 : the fifth column). Someone has been paid off.

After long thought I realised that the reason that australia is de-skilled and stripped of manufacturing is because its beneficial to the government.

Product A: made in Australia. Product life 10 years ( or more) costs 10 dollars. GST revenue 1 dollar in ten years.

Product B: made in China. Product life 1 year ( or less) costs 5 dollars. GST revenue 10 dollars in 10 years.

wookiemeister said:

After long thought I realised that the reason that australia is de-skilled and stripped of manufacturing is because its beneficial to the government.

Product A: made in Australia. Product life 10 years ( or more) costs 10 dollars. GST revenue 1 dollar in ten years.

Product B: made in China. Product life 1 year ( or less) costs 5 dollars. GST revenue 5 dollars in 10 years.

Scratch that 5 dollars

wookiemeister said:

After long thought I realised that the reason that australia is de-skilled and stripped of manufacturing is because its beneficial to the government.

Product A: made in Australia. Product life 10 years ( or more) costs 10 dollars. GST revenue 1 dollar in ten years.

Product B: made in China. Product life 1 year ( or less) costs 5 dollars. GST revenue 10 dollars in 10 years.

Product A: $1 GST, $X income tax by employees, $Y company tax, $Z saved from not having to pay the workers unemployment benefits.

Product B: $10 GST minus the cost of recovering that GST – $0

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Showing a bit of ugly there DO. :(

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

After long thought I realised that the reason that australia is de-skilled and stripped of manufacturing is because its beneficial to the government.

Product A: made in Australia. Product life 10 years ( or more) costs 10 dollars. GST revenue 1 dollar in ten years.

Product B: made in China. Product life 1 year ( or less) costs 5 dollars. GST revenue 10 dollars in 10 years.

Product A: $1 GST, $X income tax by employees, $Y company tax, $Z saved from not having to pay the workers unemployment benefits.

Product B: $10 GST minus the cost of recovering that GST – $0

Its obviously cheaper and easier for them to get the GST revenue than other forms of tax.

> supertrawlers

right …

I don’t actually believe that there is such a thing.

mollwollfumble said:

> supertrawlers

right …

I don’t actually believe that there is such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Margiris is the world’s second largest fishing boat. It is a 9,500 GT super trawler and factory ship.
minister queries super trawler quota

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> supertrawlers

right …

I don’t actually believe that there is such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Margiris is the world’s second largest fishing boat. It is a 9,500 GT super trawler and factory ship.
minister queries super trawler quota

From the wiki link:

The Super Trawler issue was subject to a court challenge in 2014 and an Australian Government scientific report published in late 2014. Before and after this report there was reaffirmation that super trawlers over 130 metres, like Margiris, would not be permitted under Australia’s environmental protection law, yet controversy continues in Australia about factory-fishing boats.

In late October 2015, the Margiris was fishing off the North west coast of Ireland. The Irish naval service fisheries inspectors refused to board her at sea, due to adverse weather condition. She had departed the waters shortly before the weather improved. In November 2016, the Margiris entered Irish water. The ship had been active for a day when it was boarded by an Irish Naval Service fisheries inspection team.

mollwollfumble said:

> supertrawlers

right …

I don’t actually believe that there is such a thing.

damn.

https://coastmonkey.ie/ban-super-trawlers-in-irish-waters/

But times change and things aren’t all rosy.

Opaque fishing quotas under the European law mean it’s incredibly difficult to monitor what is being caught and at what cost to the environment. Super trawlers like the 144m Annelies Ilena and the Margiris, with its gross tonnage capacity of 9,499 tonnes, are now regular visitors to Irish waters and when they visit there is a far too coincidental surge in Dolphin carcasses washing up on the west coast. These ships have full clearance from Europe under the Common Fisheries Policy.
https://coastmonkey.ie/shark-park/

roughbarked said:

https://coastmonkey.ie/ban-super-trawlers-in-irish-waters/

But times change and things aren’t all rosy.

Opaque fishing quotas under the European law mean it’s incredibly difficult to monitor what is being caught and at what cost to the environment. Super trawlers like the 144m Annelies Ilena and the Margiris, with its gross tonnage capacity of 9,499 tonnes, are now regular visitors to Irish waters and when they visit there is a far too coincidental surge in Dolphin carcasses washing up on the west coast. These ships have full clearance from Europe under the Common Fisheries Policy.
https://coastmonkey.ie/shark-park/

In this poem Wade explores the recent inroads made by the super-trawlers into Irish waters.

mollwollfumble said:

> supertrawlers

right …

I don’t actually believe that there is such a thing.

Believe what you like. They do exist…

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

> supertrawlers

right …

I don’t actually believe that there is such a thing.

Believe what you like. They do exist…

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Under the Common Fishing Policy quotas are calculated. The British don’t have a large fishing fleet and don’t use up all of the quota in their own waters so the excess is sold to other EU countries. After 1 January the EU based boats might be excluded, so they are getting in now while they still can to get whatever of the quota they paid for. You could argue they paid in good faith for the fishing licences, and are on the verge of losing their investment.

The issue of supertrawlers and dolphins kills is separate to the issue of licences. In an ideal world a sustainable fishery would ban the use of these things and set quotas on a sustainable catch basis. Exactly how scientific the quotas are I am not sure.

party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Under the Common Fishing Policy quotas are calculated. The British don’t have a large fishing fleet and don’t use up all of the quota in their own waters so the excess is sold to other EU countries. After 1 January the EU based boats might be excluded, so they are getting in now while they still can to get whatever of the quota they paid for. You could argue they paid in good faith for the fishing licences, and are on the verge of losing their investment.

The issue of supertrawlers and dolphins kills is separate to the issue of licences. In an ideal world a sustainable fishery would ban the use of these things and set quotas on a sustainable catch basis. Exactly how scientific the quotas are I am not sure.

Perhaps all oceans should have fallow years were no commercial fishing is allowed at all to allow time for them to recover somewhat

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Under the Common Fishing Policy quotas are calculated. The British don’t have a large fishing fleet and don’t use up all of the quota in their own waters so the excess is sold to other EU countries. After 1 January the EU based boats might be excluded, so they are getting in now while they still can to get whatever of the quota they paid for. You could argue they paid in good faith for the fishing licences, and are on the verge of losing their investment.

The issue of supertrawlers and dolphins kills is separate to the issue of licences. In an ideal world a sustainable fishery would ban the use of these things and set quotas on a sustainable catch basis. Exactly how scientific the quotas are I am not sure.

Perhaps all oceans should have fallow years were no commercial fishing is allowed at all to allow time for them to recover somewhat

Or maybe marine national parks where no fishing is allowed.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Under the Common Fishing Policy quotas are calculated. The British don’t have a large fishing fleet and don’t use up all of the quota in their own waters so the excess is sold to other EU countries. After 1 January the EU based boats might be excluded, so they are getting in now while they still can to get whatever of the quota they paid for. You could argue they paid in good faith for the fishing licences, and are on the verge of losing their investment.

The issue of supertrawlers and dolphins kills is separate to the issue of licences. In an ideal world a sustainable fishery would ban the use of these things and set quotas on a sustainable catch basis. Exactly how scientific the quotas are I am not sure.

Perhaps all oceans should have fallow years were no commercial fishing is allowed at all to allow time for them to recover somewhat

Or maybe marine national parks where no fishing is allowed.

That as well

Just to complicate matters further… the British, strangely for an island nation, are not big eaters of seafood. Most of the catch taken in British waters (by boats of any nation) are landed and sold in EU ports in France. Belgium and the Netherlands, where there is a much greater consumer demand for them. The British themselves prefer to eat cod which is imported from Norway.

What looks likely to happen is that the UK will ban EU fishing boats. So the EU will just pay them to sit at home. What they (the French fishermen at least) are promising to do is blockade the French ports so that no british vessel can enter and land their catch. EU consumers will miss out on the favourite seafood, the British fishermen will be stuck with a catch they can’t sell and will make no money.

The whole area might get a reprieve from commercial fishing pressure for a little while until the politics gets sorted.

party_pants said:

Just to complicate matters further… the British, strangely for an island nation, are not big eaters of seafood. Most of the catch taken in British waters (by boats of any nation) are landed and sold in EU ports in France. Belgium and the Netherlands, where there is a much greater consumer demand for them. The British themselves prefer to eat cod which is imported from Norway.

What looks likely to happen is that the UK will ban EU fishing boats. So the EU will just pay them to sit at home. What they (the French fishermen at least) are promising to do is blockade the French ports so that no british vessel can enter and land their catch. EU consumers will miss out on the favourite seafood, the British fishermen will be stuck with a catch they can’t sell and will make no money.

The whole area might get a reprieve from commercial fishing pressure for a little while until the politics gets sorted.

The British do, however, eat about 1.5 million fish fingers every day, or 18 every second (2016 stats).

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Just to complicate matters further… the British, strangely for an island nation, are not big eaters of seafood. Most of the catch taken in British waters (by boats of any nation) are landed and sold in EU ports in France. Belgium and the Netherlands, where there is a much greater consumer demand for them. The British themselves prefer to eat cod which is imported from Norway.

What looks likely to happen is that the UK will ban EU fishing boats. So the EU will just pay them to sit at home. What they (the French fishermen at least) are promising to do is blockade the French ports so that no british vessel can enter and land their catch. EU consumers will miss out on the favourite seafood, the British fishermen will be stuck with a catch they can’t sell and will make no money.

The whole area might get a reprieve from commercial fishing pressure for a little while until the politics gets sorted.

The British do, however, eat about 1.5 million fish fingers every day, or 18 every second (2016 stats).

and a heck of a lot of chups.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Just to complicate matters further… the British, strangely for an island nation, are not big eaters of seafood. Most of the catch taken in British waters (by boats of any nation) are landed and sold in EU ports in France. Belgium and the Netherlands, where there is a much greater consumer demand for them. The British themselves prefer to eat cod which is imported from Norway.

What looks likely to happen is that the UK will ban EU fishing boats. So the EU will just pay them to sit at home. What they (the French fishermen at least) are promising to do is blockade the French ports so that no british vessel can enter and land their catch. EU consumers will miss out on the favourite seafood, the British fishermen will be stuck with a catch they can’t sell and will make no money.

The whole area might get a reprieve from commercial fishing pressure for a little while until the politics gets sorted.

The British do, however, eat about 1.5 million fish fingers every day, or 18 every second (2016 stats).

yes, that is where all the Atlantic cod goes, as well as to pub style fish and chips. Most of the cod comes from the cooler northern waters, like Norway.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Under the Common Fishing Policy quotas are calculated. The British don’t have a large fishing fleet and don’t use up all of the quota in their own waters so the excess is sold to other EU countries. After 1 January the EU based boats might be excluded, so they are getting in now while they still can to get whatever of the quota they paid for. You could argue they paid in good faith for the fishing licences, and are on the verge of losing their investment.

The issue of supertrawlers and dolphins kills is separate to the issue of licences. In an ideal world a sustainable fishery would ban the use of these things and set quotas on a sustainable catch basis. Exactly how scientific the quotas are I am not sure.

Perhaps all oceans should have fallow years were no commercial fishing is allowed at all to allow time for them to recover somewhat

Or maybe marine national parks where no fishing is allowed.

Liberals hate marine parks. Andin Tassie so does the salmon industry.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:

“…say ocean activists”

So the truth is likely something quite different to these claims.

Under the Common Fishing Policy quotas are calculated. The British don’t have a large fishing fleet and don’t use up all of the quota in their own waters so the excess is sold to other EU countries. After 1 January the EU based boats might be excluded, so they are getting in now while they still can to get whatever of the quota they paid for. You could argue they paid in good faith for the fishing licences, and are on the verge of losing their investment.

The issue of supertrawlers and dolphins kills is separate to the issue of licences. In an ideal world a sustainable fishery would ban the use of these things and set quotas on a sustainable catch basis. Exactly how scientific the quotas are I am not sure.

Perhaps all oceans should have fallow years were no commercial fishing is allowed at all to allow time for them to recover somewhat

At least give some areas a rest for a year or three.

party_pants said:

Just to complicate matters further… the British, strangely for an island nation, are not big eaters of seafood. Most of the catch taken in British waters (by boats of any nation) are landed and sold in EU ports in France. Belgium and the Netherlands, where there is a much greater consumer demand for them. The British themselves prefer to eat cod which is imported from Norway.

What looks likely to happen is that the UK will ban EU fishing boats. So the EU will just pay them to sit at home. What they (the French fishermen at least) are promising to do is blockade the French ports so that no british vessel can enter and land their catch. EU consumers will miss out on the favourite seafood, the British fishermen will be stuck with a catch they can’t sell and will make no money.

The whole area might get a reprieve from commercial fishing pressure for a little while until the politics gets sorted.

tatties and herrings,
tatties and herrings,
You’re natural foods are the
tatty and the herring.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Just to complicate matters further… the British, strangely for an island nation, are not big eaters of seafood. Most of the catch taken in British waters (by boats of any nation) are landed and sold in EU ports in France. Belgium and the Netherlands, where there is a much greater consumer demand for them. The British themselves prefer to eat cod which is imported from Norway.

What looks likely to happen is that the UK will ban EU fishing boats. So the EU will just pay them to sit at home. What they (the French fishermen at least) are promising to do is blockade the French ports so that no british vessel can enter and land their catch. EU consumers will miss out on the favourite seafood, the British fishermen will be stuck with a catch they can’t sell and will make no money.

The whole area might get a reprieve from commercial fishing pressure for a little while until the politics gets sorted.

tatties and herrings,
tatties and herrings,
You’re natural foods are the
tatty and the herring.

Scotland used to produce much of Europe’s pickled herrings in medieval times.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Just to complicate matters further… the British, strangely for an island nation, are not big eaters of seafood. Most of the catch taken in British waters (by boats of any nation) are landed and sold in EU ports in France. Belgium and the Netherlands, where there is a much greater consumer demand for them. The British themselves prefer to eat cod which is imported from Norway.

What looks likely to happen is that the UK will ban EU fishing boats. So the EU will just pay them to sit at home. What they (the French fishermen at least) are promising to do is blockade the French ports so that no british vessel can enter and land their catch. EU consumers will miss out on the favourite seafood, the British fishermen will be stuck with a catch they can’t sell and will make no money.

The whole area might get a reprieve from commercial fishing pressure for a little while until the politics gets sorted.

tatties and herrings,
tatties and herrings,
You’re natural foods are the
tatty and the herring.

Scotland used to produce much of Europe’s pickled herrings in medieval times.

But tatties only go back so far.

Maybe we need less people on planet earth ? Start with the third world , their populations are exploding.

wookiemeister said:

Maybe we need less people on planet earth ? Start with the third world , their populations are exploding.

Base the culling on persons per square km.

wookiemeister said:

Maybe we need less people on planet earth ? Start with the third world , their populations are exploding.

Isn’t that what Covid is supposed to be doing?

wookiemeister said:

Maybe we need less people on planet earth ? Start with the third world , their populations are exploding.

Start from Trump Murdoch etc. Take it from the top of the shitpile and make sure the wild boars eat their testacles while they can still watch.

Dark Orange said:

wookiemeister said:

Maybe we need less people on planet earth ? Start with the third world , their populations are exploding.

Isn’t that what Covid is supposed to be doing?

Would if we’d let ut.