so OK I’ll change it

Appears that the head salesman needs to change his gold star rating for NSW to a different place on the podium.

bucolic3401 said:

Appears that the head salesman needs to change his gold star rating for NSW to a different place on the podium.

Silver or bronze?

Letter submitted to Age newspaper suggested pyrites.

Sydney on NYE will be fun…

Wonder if/when this will be updated.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/covid-safe/major-events/new-years-eve

bucolic3401 said:

Letter submitted to Age newspaper suggested pyrites.

Fair.

Divine Angel said:

Sydney on NYE will be fun…

Wonder if/when this will be updated.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/covid-safe/major-events/new-years-eve

Got this dated 18 Dec 2020.

Andrews (Vic Premier) is giving a press conference. Announcements:

From midnight, all of greater Sydney & Central Coast will be declared a Red Zone.
Northern Beaches will be a Hot Zone.

No-one from those zones will be allowed to travel to Vic. If anyone does, they will go into mandatory 14-day hotel quarantine, Unless they’re Victorians returning home, who will go into mandatory home quarantine if they arrive home today or tomorrow, but hotel quarantine if they arrive home after Monday.

The rest of NSW remains a Green Zone. People from local communities (Albury/Wadonga, Echuca/Moama, etc) will be allowed to cross the border without restriction.

Rule 303 said:

Andrews (Vic Premier) is giving a press conference. Announcements:

From midnight, all of greater Sydney & Central Coast will be declared a Red Zone.
Northern Beaches will be a Hot Zone.

No-one from those zones will be allowed to travel to Vic. If anyone does, they will go into mandatory 14-day hotel quarantine, Unless they’re Victorians returning home, who will go into mandatory home quarantine if they arrive home today or tomorrow, but hotel quarantine if they arrive home after Monday.

The rest of NSW remains a Green Zone. People from local communities (Albury/Wadonga, Echuca/Moama, etc) will be allowed to cross the border without restriction.

>>The rest of NSW remains a Green Zone. People from local communities (Albury/Wadonga, Echuca/Moama, etc) will be allowed to cross the border without restriction.<<

Subtle dig at NSW closing Victorians out when there were no regional cases?

;)

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Andrews (Vic Premier) is giving a press conference. Announcements:

From midnight, all of greater Sydney & Central Coast will be declared a Red Zone.
Northern Beaches will be a Hot Zone.

No-one from those zones will be allowed to travel to Vic. If anyone does, they will go into mandatory 14-day hotel quarantine, Unless they’re Victorians returning home, who will go into mandatory home quarantine if they arrive home today or tomorrow, but hotel quarantine if they arrive home after Monday.

The rest of NSW remains a Green Zone. People from local communities (Albury/Wadonga, Echuca/Moama, etc) will be allowed to cross the border without restriction.

>>The rest of NSW remains a Green Zone. People from local communities (Albury/Wadonga, Echuca/Moama, etc) will be allowed to cross the border without restriction.<<

Subtle dig at NSW closing Victorians out when there were no regional cases?

;)

Probably not. Just being sensible and following the advice of the experts without playing politics…

(excuse me, I’ll leave now)

kryten said:

so OK I’ll change it

Bump.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Andrews (Vic Premier) is giving a press conference. Announcements:

From midnight, all of greater Sydney & Central Coast will be declared a Red Zone.
Northern Beaches will be a Hot Zone.

No-one from those zones will be allowed to travel to Vic. If anyone does, they will go into mandatory 14-day hotel quarantine, Unless they’re Victorians returning home, who will go into mandatory home quarantine if they arrive home today or tomorrow, but hotel quarantine if they arrive home after Monday.

The rest of NSW remains a Green Zone. People from local communities (Albury/Wadonga, Echuca/Moama, etc) will be allowed to cross the border without restriction.

>>The rest of NSW remains a Green Zone. People from local communities (Albury/Wadonga, Echuca/Moama, etc) will be allowed to cross the border without restriction.<<

Subtle dig at NSW closing Victorians out when there were no regional cases?

;)

Heh. Maybe.

It troubles me that a person in the Northern Beaches area of Sydney could jump in their car and drive to Melbourne right now and not be required to quarantine – Because I believe people will literally do that.

This aged like milk.

dv said:

This aged like milk.

He’ll be blaming Andrews for ruining Christmas next.

Rule 303 said:

and a cover girl.

I hate Murdoch.

Rule 303 said:

Bloody!

Rule 303 said:

There’s a good reason why those headlines are different.

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s a good reason why those headlines are different.

Aye, and it’s an obvious one: Murdoch, supporting his supporters.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s a good reason why those headlines are different.

Aye, and it’s an obvious one: Murdoch, supporting his supporters.

Murdoch supporting those who do precisely what he tells them to do.

>his supporters.

…mind you, even when Labor bend over backwards to praise & pamper the prune, he still kicks them in the teeth.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s a good reason why those headlines are different.

Aye, and it’s an obvious one: Murdoch, supporting his supporters.

If there’s thousands infected and hundreds dead in NSW that will be the time to compare headlines.

Bubblecar said:

>his supporters.

…mind you, even when Labor bend over backwards to praise & pamper the prune, he still kicks them in the teeth.

There has to be an example for the L/NP of what might happen to them if they get at all uppity.

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

and a cover girl.

I hate Murdoch.

Just looking at the picture and main headline on the right I assumed it was a front page from the late 60’s.

Herald Sun killed hundreds of people by protesting against the lockdown on their front pages, and in a just world the editors would be held responsible.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s a good reason why those headlines are different.

Aye, and it’s an obvious one: Murdoch, supporting his supporters.

If there’s thousands infected and hundreds dead in NSW that will be the time to compare headlines.

The point you’re missing is that when the second wave turned very serious in Victoria, Murdoch and his dogs condemned “dictator Dan” for his “harsh” lockdown strategies.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

There’s a good reason why those headlines are different.

Aye, and it’s an obvious one: Murdoch, supporting his supporters.

It may be comparing apples with oranges. At what point in Victoria’s second wave does the HS front page date from?

Rule 303 said:

Although of course as DV stated at no point did the HS tell Victorians it was for their own good.

Divine Angel said:

Sad.

Divine Angel said:

Ah Jesus.

What you need to know about Britain’s more infectious COVID mutant strain

December 20, 2020 — 12.59pm

British health authorities say they have identified a mutated strain of the coronavirus that is up to 70 per cent more transmissible than earlier versions.

Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said the new variant is rapidly “becoming the dominant variant” of the virus in Britain, after studies indicated it now accounts for at least 62 per cent of new infections in London. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced new tougher lockdown measures shortly after the new strain was confirmed.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/what-you-need-to-know-about-britain-s-more-infectious-covid-mutant-strain-20201220-p56p1q.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

What you need to know about Britain’s more infectious COVID mutant strain

December 20, 2020 — 12.59pm

British health authorities say they have identified a mutated strain of the coronavirus that is up to 70 per cent more transmissible than earlier versions.

Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said the new variant is rapidly “becoming the dominant variant” of the virus in Britain, after studies indicated it now accounts for at least 62 per cent of new infections in London. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced new tougher lockdown measures shortly after the new strain was confirmed.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/what-you-need-to-know-about-britain-s-more-infectious-covid-mutant-strain-20201220-p56p1q.html

It smells of trying to cover up for previous incompetence to me.

Even with the ordinary Covids they dicked around and made the situation much worse than it should have been. The scientific advisory group were calling for a lockdown in September or October, which was resisted by the Tories and only implemented in November, and only for 4 weeks. Then when the 4 weeks were up they lifted it and went to their new system, and the rate went straight back up.

Now it seems a bit too convenient to blame a new strain, even if it is a little bit different than the last one.

Call me cynical.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What you need to know about Britain’s more infectious COVID mutant strain

December 20, 2020 — 12.59pm

British health authorities say they have identified a mutated strain of the coronavirus that is up to 70 per cent more transmissible than earlier versions.

Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said the new variant is rapidly “becoming the dominant variant” of the virus in Britain, after studies indicated it now accounts for at least 62 per cent of new infections in London. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced new tougher lockdown measures shortly after the new strain was confirmed.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/what-you-need-to-know-about-britain-s-more-infectious-covid-mutant-strain-20201220-p56p1q.html

It smells of trying to cover up for previous incompetence to me.

Even with the ordinary Covids they dicked around and made the situation much worse than it should have been. The scientific advisory group were calling for a lockdown in September or October, which was resisted by the Tories and only implemented in November, and only for 4 weeks. Then when the 4 weeks were up they lifted it and went to their new system, and the rate went straight back up.

Now it seems a bit too convenient to blame a new strain, even if it is a little bit different than the last one.

Call me cynical.

both; the fact that it is becoming the dominant strain would suggest it really is more transmissible than previous strain

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What you need to know about Britain’s more infectious COVID mutant strain

December 20, 2020 — 12.59pm

British health authorities say they have identified a mutated strain of the coronavirus that is up to 70 per cent more transmissible than earlier versions.

Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said the new variant is rapidly “becoming the dominant variant” of the virus in Britain, after studies indicated it now accounts for at least 62 per cent of new infections in London. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced new tougher lockdown measures shortly after the new strain was confirmed.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/what-you-need-to-know-about-britain-s-more-infectious-covid-mutant-strain-20201220-p56p1q.html

It smells of trying to cover up for previous incompetence to me.

Even with the ordinary Covids they dicked around and made the situation much worse than it should have been. The scientific advisory group were calling for a lockdown in September or October, which was resisted by the Tories and only implemented in November, and only for 4 weeks. Then when the 4 weeks were up they lifted it and went to their new system, and the rate went straight back up.

Now it seems a bit too convenient to blame a new strain, even if it is a little bit different than the last one.

Call me cynical.

^^^

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What you need to know about Britain’s more infectious COVID mutant strain

December 20, 2020 — 12.59pm

British health authorities say they have identified a mutated strain of the coronavirus that is up to 70 per cent more transmissible than earlier versions.

Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said the new variant is rapidly “becoming the dominant variant” of the virus in Britain, after studies indicated it now accounts for at least 62 per cent of new infections in London. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced new tougher lockdown measures shortly after the new strain was confirmed.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/what-you-need-to-know-about-britain-s-more-infectious-covid-mutant-strain-20201220-p56p1q.html

It smells of trying to cover up for previous incompetence to me.

Even with the ordinary Covids they dicked around and made the situation much worse than it should have been. The scientific advisory group were calling for a lockdown in September or October, which was resisted by the Tories and only implemented in November, and only for 4 weeks. Then when the 4 weeks were up they lifted it and went to their new system, and the rate went straight back up.

Now it seems a bit too convenient to blame a new strain, even if it is a little bit different than the last one.

Call me cynical.

^^^

Smoke screen of irrelevance to divert attention from the negligence of governance.

Just another conservative government letting people die in the name of commerce.

“ Also going to different surf clubs or whatever, people have the electronic devices when you put your driver’s licence in.”

I have not heard of this.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-nsw-queensland-victoria-coronavirus-news/live-coverage/7a07bf114b0bf2eeffb318e4b360b22b

And from the ABC blog…

“A few of you have been asking whether the third Test between Australia and India will go ahead at the SCG from January 7.

Cricket Australia has just released a statement to say they are monitoring the situation, but as of now, the match is going ahead.

“CA has prepared for the possibility of COVID-19 hotspots and state border closures over the course of the summer and the protocols that we have put in place have been effective in ensuring the safety and success of the men’s and women’s domestic and international programs to date.

“We will continue to work closely with all relevant parties to make the right decisions in the appropriate timeframes.” “

Divine Angel said:

And from the ABC blog…

“A few of you have been asking whether the third Test between Australia and India will go ahead at the SCG from January 7.

Cricket Australia has just released a statement to say they are monitoring the situation, but as of now, the match is going ahead.

“CA has prepared for the possibility of COVID-19 hotspots and state border closures over the course of the summer and the protocols that we have put in place have been effective in ensuring the safety and success of the men’s and women’s domestic and international programs to date.

“We will continue to work closely with all relevant parties to make the right decisions in the appropriate timeframes.” “

I reckon they need to start preparing an alternative pitch in somewhere else. Just to be on the safe side.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

And from the ABC blog…

“A few of you have been asking whether the third Test between Australia and India will go ahead at the SCG from January 7.

Cricket Australia has just released a statement to say they are monitoring the situation, but as of now, the match is going ahead.

“CA has prepared for the possibility of COVID-19 hotspots and state border closures over the course of the summer and the protocols that we have put in place have been effective in ensuring the safety and success of the men’s and women’s domestic and international programs to date.

“We will continue to work closely with all relevant parties to make the right decisions in the appropriate timeframes.” “

I reckon they need to start preparing an alternative pitch in somewhere else. Just to be on the safe side.

Surely these days the players can all work from home

From my sister in Houston, Texas (special ed teacher)

>>Well, our school break has just started. Though for me it started a couple of days early when I had a fever of 103 on Wednesday night. Had the quick COVID test on Thursday morning which was negative and have had the more reliable test sent off, so I have 3-5 days of waiting for that. Dr. gave me some meds for the fever and I had an eye infection, so it was just like the end of semester crash came early, I hope. Not that I have felt like doing anything at all for a couple of days but starting to feel a little better today, just very tired! <<

And yet…she is still thinking about travelling.

>>I had planned to drive north to meet A and R after Christmas for a few days in Tennessee – it’s probably still a go but I’m really trying to stay away from everyone until I know the test results.<<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-20/act-follows-qld-vic-coronavirus-sydney-hotspot/13002128

Just as well the politicians have gone home for Christmas and aren’t needing to return to work just yet.

A South Dakota nurse whose tweets went viral over the weekend says the hardest part of her job is convincing some critically ill patients that they really do have COVID-19. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real,” Jodi Doering said on CNN. “Even after positive results come back, they don’t believe it.”

South Dakota is one of the nation’s worst coronavirus hot spots, but Gov. Kristi Noem has downplayed the threat of the virus and refused to put a mask mandate in place. Doering says some of her patients are also in denial, willing to believe almost anything else has made them so sick. “People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia, we’ve even had people say, ‘I think it could be lung cancer,’” she said. The nurse said that when she offers to hook some patients up with family by FaceTime for a last conversation, they say, ‘No, because I’m doing fine.’” She said the attitude is taking a toll on health-care workers. ‘It’s like a movie where the credits never roll,” she said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-dakota-nurse-jodi-doering-dying-covid-19-patients-think-its-fake

dv said:

A South Dakota nurse whose tweets went viral over the weekend says the hardest part of her job is convincing some critically ill patients that they really do have COVID-19. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real,” Jodi Doering said on CNN. “Even after positive results come back, they don’t believe it.”

South Dakota is one of the nation’s worst coronavirus hot spots, but Gov. Kristi Noem has downplayed the threat of the virus and refused to put a mask mandate in place. Doering says some of her patients are also in denial, willing to believe almost anything else has made them so sick. “People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia, we’ve even had people say, ‘I think it could be lung cancer,’” she said. The nurse said that when she offers to hook some patients up with family by FaceTime for a last conversation, they say, ‘No, because I’m doing fine.’” She said the attitude is taking a toll on health-care workers. ‘It’s like a movie where the credits never roll,” she said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-dakota-nurse-jodi-doering-dying-covid-19-patients-think-its-fake

It is sad and strange, but there you go, it happens.

Don’t want to sound rude or anything, but it is sort of Darwinian culling in a sense on an individual level. But really bloody minded criminal behaviour from the elected representatives. On a social level it is a tragedy.

party_pants said:

dv said:

A South Dakota nurse whose tweets went viral over the weekend says the hardest part of her job is convincing some critically ill patients that they really do have COVID-19. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real,” Jodi Doering said on CNN. “Even after positive results come back, they don’t believe it.”

South Dakota is one of the nation’s worst coronavirus hot spots, but Gov. Kristi Noem has downplayed the threat of the virus and refused to put a mask mandate in place. Doering says some of her patients are also in denial, willing to believe almost anything else has made them so sick. “People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia, we’ve even had people say, ‘I think it could be lung cancer,’” she said. The nurse said that when she offers to hook some patients up with family by FaceTime for a last conversation, they say, ‘No, because I’m doing fine.’” She said the attitude is taking a toll on health-care workers. ‘It’s like a movie where the credits never roll,” she said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-dakota-nurse-jodi-doering-dying-covid-19-patients-think-its-fake

It is sad and strange, but there you go, it happens.

Don’t want to sound rude or anything, but it is sort of Darwinian culling in a sense on an individual level. But really bloody minded criminal behaviour from the elected representatives. On a social level it is a tragedy.

It puts a spotlight on their poor education system.

dv said:

A South Dakota nurse whose tweets went viral over the weekend says the hardest part of her job is convincing some critically ill patients that they really do have COVID-19. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real,” Jodi Doering said on CNN. “Even after positive results come back, they don’t believe it.”

South Dakota is one of the nation’s worst coronavirus hot spots, but Gov. Kristi Noem has downplayed the threat of the virus and refused to put a mask mandate in place. Doering says some of her patients are also in denial, willing to believe almost anything else has made them so sick. “People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia, we’ve even had people say, ‘I think it could be lung cancer,’” she said. The nurse said that when she offers to hook some patients up with family by FaceTime for a last conversation, they say, ‘No, because I’m doing fine.’” She said the attitude is taking a toll on health-care workers. ‘It’s like a movie where the credits never roll,” she said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-dakota-nurse-jodi-doering-dying-covid-19-patients-think-its-fake

Bloody!

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

A South Dakota nurse whose tweets went viral over the weekend says the hardest part of her job is convincing some critically ill patients that they really do have COVID-19. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real,” Jodi Doering said on CNN. “Even after positive results come back, they don’t believe it.”

South Dakota is one of the nation’s worst coronavirus hot spots, but Gov. Kristi Noem has downplayed the threat of the virus and refused to put a mask mandate in place. Doering says some of her patients are also in denial, willing to believe almost anything else has made them so sick. “People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia, we’ve even had people say, ‘I think it could be lung cancer,’” she said. The nurse said that when she offers to hook some patients up with family by FaceTime for a last conversation, they say, ‘No, because I’m doing fine.’” She said the attitude is taking a toll on health-care workers. ‘It’s like a movie where the credits never roll,” she said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-dakota-nurse-jodi-doering-dying-covid-19-patients-think-its-fake

It is sad and strange, but there you go, it happens.

Don’t want to sound rude or anything, but it is sort of Darwinian culling in a sense on an individual level. But really bloody minded criminal behaviour from the elected representatives. On a social level it is a tragedy.

It puts a spotlight on their poor education system.

It also puts a spotlight on their dysfunctional political system.

and puts a spotlight on the far right across their media platforms.

Its a bit of a mess.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

It is sad and strange, but there you go, it happens.

Don’t want to sound rude or anything, but it is sort of Darwinian culling in a sense on an individual level. But really bloody minded criminal behaviour from the elected representatives. On a social level it is a tragedy.

It puts a spotlight on their poor education system.

It also puts a spotlight on their dysfunctional political system.

and puts a spotlight on the far right across their media platforms.

Its a bit of a mess.

If it wasn’t for those major three things their health system would be coping much better.

Rule 303 said:

Sounds like an over reaction.

What if they all were negative?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Sounds like an over reaction.

What if they all were negative?

They are supposed to quarantine themselves after being tested until they get their results.

Rule 303 said:

Bloody eck!

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Sounds like an over reaction.

What if they all were negative?

They are supposed to quarantine themselves after being tested until they get their results.

^^^

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Sounds like an over reaction.

What if they all were negative?

They are supposed to quarantine themselves after being tested until they get their results.

ah, ok

cough

Well then they are naughty then.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Sounds like an over reaction.

What if they all were negative?

They’re required to self-isolate until they know the results. They don’t know the results for 24-48 hours. Do you see the problem now?

Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Sounds like an over reaction.

What if they all were negative?

They’re required to self-isolate until they know the results. They don’t know the results for 24-48 hours. Do you see the problem now?

Yes, all good, makes sense now.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

Sounds like an over reaction.

What if they all were negative?

Nah. You’re supposed to wait till you get the results before going out and about.

I see you’ve got it covered already… carry on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry17dmwo8l4
Trump Administration Fails The First Test Of Covid Vaccine Distribution

Even as HHS Secretary Alex Azar continues to offer excuses and explanations for why the amount of coronavirus vaccine many states were expecting to be delivered was suddenly slashed, the fact that so many states raised this issue, misunderstanding or not, shows a failure by the administration to adequately communicate crucial details of a literally life or death matter.

New COVID mutant strain in UK

70 percent more transmissible.

Great news that is.

Tau.Neutrino said:

New COVID mutant strain in UK

70 percent more transmissible.

Great news that is.

They can keep it to themselves too.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

New COVID mutant strain in UK

70 percent more transmissible.

Great news that is.

They can keep it to themselves too.

I bet Boris started the new strain.

70 percent more transmissible.

It was Boris wasn’t it.

I never trusted him.

I wouldn’t be strange if the virus got back to China something like two thousand times more transmissible.

Tau.Neutrino said:

New COVID mutant strain in UK

70 percent more transmissible.

Great news that is.

I don’t know about the 70% bit – that’s anybody’s guess. It’s a variant under investigation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VUI_%E2%80%93_202012/01

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857

What was the virus news this time last year?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What was the virus news this time last year?

https://www.who.int/csr/don/18-december-2019-mers-saudi-arabia/en/

Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) – The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Disease Outbreak News: Update
18 December 2019

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https://arynews.tv/en/two-more-polio-cases-surface-in-balochistan/

Two more polio cases have been reported in Balochistan on Wednesday, taking the tally of such cases across the country to 106 this year, ARY News reported. This is the ninth polio case which has been reported from Balochistan province during the ongoing year.

Meanwhile, a countrywide anti-polio campaign is being underway amid tight security measures.

—

https://www.oie.int/wahis_2/public/wahid.php/Reviewreport/Review?page_refer=MapFullEventReport&reportid=32656

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

New COVID mutant strain in UK

70 percent more transmissible.

Great news that is.

I don’t know about the 70% bit – that’s anybody’s guess. It’s a variant under investigation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VUI_%E2%80%93_202012/01

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857

WHO epidemiologist says new infectious strain of COVID-19 was detected in Australia, but it did not spread

Maria Van Kerkhove, an infectious diseases epidemiologist and the COVID-19 techinical lead for World Health Organization, has told the BBC that a case of the new variant of the disease was found in Australia, but that it did not spread any further.

—

LOL so much for its greater infectiousness

(probably more luck)

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What was the virus news this time last year?

https://www.who.int/csr/don/18-december-2019-mers-saudi-arabia/en/

https://arynews.tv/en/two-more-polio-cases-surface-in-balochistan/

https://www.oie.int/wahis_2/public/wahid.php/Reviewreport/Review?page_refer=MapFullEventReport&reportid=32656

or do you mean 11 months ago, well then, let us tell you about another time when there were 68 cases in some administrative region, and they let it get out to potentially infect millions of people, where were the voices telling everyone to stop pointing fingers and scoring populist points then

Mark Grabs “Gold Standard” Rating And Invites Nemesis To Visit Western Australia Next

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-20/wa-premier-mark-mcgowan-urges-nsw-to-go-further-on-covid-cluster/13001848

West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has urged New South Wales to follow his state’s lead in preventing the spread of COVID-19, after the eastern state recorded 30 new cases overnight. “I’m pleased New South Wales has taken it very seriously and the sooner they get it under control, the better it will be for all of us,” he said. However, the Premier criticised New South Wales quarantine arrangements for aircrew, following allegations of breaches and non-compliance.

Mr McGowan said New South Wales should have followed WA’s model in handling flight crews months ago. “One of the things we did back in the start of August was we put all flight crews into a government-controlled hotel,” he said. “We told them you cannot just go into any hotel you like; you need to go into a government-controlled hotel in a single location.”

NSW should adopt the same strict lockdown measures South Australia put in place after their recent second wave scares to “crush and kill” the growing numbers from Sydney’s Northern Beaches cluster. “It was pretty extreme what the South Australian Premier did, but it worked, so I would go as far as South Australia if I was New South Wales,” he said. “Clearly I’m not in New South Wales, but if this thing gets out of control in Sydney, it will be terrible, and I’d hate to see what happened in Victoria months ago happen in Sydney.”

—

Don’t worry Mark, the Morrison-Murdoch Mania that happened in Victoria months ago won’t happen in the Sydney state, they have a Liberal government there.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

New COVID mutant strain in UK

70 percent more transmissible.

Great news that is.

I don’t know about the 70% bit – that’s anybody’s guess. It’s a variant under investigation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VUI_%E2%80%93_202012/01

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857

WHO epidemiologist says new infectious strain of COVID-19 was detected in Australia, but it did not spread

Maria Van Kerkhove, an infectious diseases epidemiologist and the COVID-19 techinical lead for World Health Organization, has told the BBC that a case of the new variant of the disease was found in Australia, but that it did not spread any further.

—

LOL so much for its greater infectiousness

(probably more luck)

Or a “political” excuse for greater lockdowns because BoJo et al had done a shitful job…

SCIENCE said:

Mark Grabs “Gold Standard” Rating And Invites Nemesis To Visit Western Australia Next

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-20/wa-premier-mark-mcgowan-urges-nsw-to-go-further-on-covid-cluster/13001848

West Australian Premier Mark McGowan has urged New South Wales to follow his state’s lead in preventing the spread of COVID-19, after the eastern state recorded 30 new cases overnight. “I’m pleased New South Wales has taken it very seriously and the sooner they get it under control, the better it will be for all of us,” he said. However, the Premier criticised New South Wales quarantine arrangements for aircrew, following allegations of breaches and non-compliance.

Mr McGowan said New South Wales should have followed WA’s model in handling flight crews months ago. “One of the things we did back in the start of August was we put all flight crews into a government-controlled hotel,” he said. “We told them you cannot just go into any hotel you like; you need to go into a government-controlled hotel in a single location.”

NSW should adopt the same strict lockdown measures South Australia put in place after their recent second wave scares to “crush and kill” the growing numbers from Sydney’s Northern Beaches cluster. “It was pretty extreme what the South Australian Premier did, but it worked, so I would go as far as South Australia if I was New South Wales,” he said. “Clearly I’m not in New South Wales, but if this thing gets out of control in Sydney, it will be terrible, and I’d hate to see what happened in Victoria months ago happen in Sydney.”

—

Don’t worry Mark, the Morrison-Murdoch Mania that happened in Victoria months ago won’t happen in the Sydney state, they have a Liberal government there.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

This is being kept up to date by @dogryan100 and @stuntguy3000

Is one of the symptoms of Covid the desire to get your hair done? Why are there 4 bloody hairdressers on that list?

SCIENCE said:

This is being kept up to date by @dogryan100 and @stuntguy3000

wow.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

This is being kept up to date by @dogryan100 and @stuntguy3000

wow.

I love that people are doing this sot of stuff. What a world we live in.

:)

Only just found out that Tiny Lister (actor in the Fifth Element, Friday, Jackie Brown) died from the Covid last week. He was only 62.

Dark Orange said:

Is one of the symptoms of Covid the desire to get your hair done? Why are there 4 bloody hairdressers on that list?

Well my appointment for tomorrow was made some months ago because my usual 4 or 5 week trim happened to fall this week. And M is always busy in the two weeks before Christmas. People must get their hair done for Christmas, I guess.

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

Is one of the symptoms of Covid the desire to get your hair done? Why are there 4 bloody hairdressers on that list?

Well my appointment for tomorrow was made some months ago because my usual 4 or 5 week trim happened to fall this week. And M is always busy in the two weeks before Christmas. People must get their hair done for Christmas, I guess.

People are the worst.

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

Is one of the symptoms of Covid the desire to get your hair done? Why are there 4 bloody hairdressers on that list?

Well my appointment for tomorrow was made some months ago because my usual 4 or 5 week trim happened to fall this week. And M is always busy in the two weeks before Christmas. People must get their hair done for Christmas, I guess.

How often do you get your hair done?

There are four gyms on that list, which I can understand because people tend to go there several times a week.

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

Is one of the symptoms of Covid the desire to get your hair done? Why are there 4 bloody hairdressers on that list?

Well my appointment for tomorrow was made some months ago because my usual 4 or 5 week trim happened to fall this week. And M is always busy in the two weeks before Christmas. People must get their hair done for Christmas, I guess.

How often do you get your hair done?

There are four gyms on that list, which I can understand because people tend to go there several times a week.

Could it simply be that four different hairdessers were visited once by four different individuals?

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Well my appointment for tomorrow was made some months ago because my usual 4 or 5 week trim happened to fall this week. And M is always busy in the two weeks before Christmas. People must get their hair done for Christmas, I guess.

How often do you get your hair done?

There are four gyms on that list, which I can understand because people tend to go there several times a week.

Could it simply be that four different hairdessers were visited once by four different individuals?

Very likely. But that doesn’t explain why gyms, (a service that tends to be used several times a week) were equally represented by hairdressers. (A service usually uilised several times a year)

Possibly demographics come into play – maybe the bulk of those currently infected are of the agegroup where they are more likely to visit hairdressers than gyms. In which case, why is a service that exposes the more vulnerable citizens to unnecessary risk allowed to stay operating they way they do?

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

How often do you get your hair done?

There are four gyms on that list, which I can understand because people tend to go there several times a week.

Could it simply be that four different hairdessers were visited once by four different individuals?

Very likely. But that doesn’t explain why gyms, (a service that tends to be used several times a week) were equally represented by hairdressers. (A service usually uilised several times a year)

Possibly demographics come into play – maybe the bulk of those currently infected are of the agegroup where they are more likely to visit hairdressers than gyms. In which case, why is a service that exposes the more vulnerable citizens to unnecessary risk allowed to stay operating they way they do?

Yair well, to tell the truth, I have no idea on that.

SCIENCE said:

This is being kept up to date by @dogryan100 and @stuntguy3000

So how come we are relying on a dog and a stuntguy to do this, rather than public service animals and/or people?

How do they differentiate between places requiring test and self-isolate or just test and watch for symptoms?

Why does the meeja keep calling it a Northern Beaches outbreak when over half the cases are outside the N. Beaches area?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

This is being kept up to date by @dogryan100 and @stuntguy3000

So how come we are relying on a dog and a stuntguy to do this, rather than public service animals and/or people?

How do they differentiate between places requiring test and self-isolate or just test and watch for symptoms?

Why does the meeja keep calling it a Northern Beaches outbreak when over half the cases are outside the N. Beaches area?

Too many questions. ;)

Firstly, who says we are relying on a third party to deliver the information?
Secondly, buggered if I know.
Thirdly, why do they say far west NSW when they mean central or eastern?
I’d suspect that anywhere north of the Sydney GPO is well, northerly.

roughbarked said:

Firstly, who says we are relying on a third party to deliver the information?

To be fair to our valued public servant dogs and people, it is quite possible there is an official site with similar information, but I haven’t seen it.

The NSW gov appear to have my e-mail address, so if they have a similar site, they really should publicise it.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Firstly, who says we are relying on a third party to deliver the information?

To be fair to our valued public servant dogs and people, it is quite possible there is an official site with similar information, but I haven’t seen it.

The NSW gov appear to have my e-mail address, so if they have a similar site, they really should publicise it.

The data is provided by NSW health, they have a free update database that was intended pacifically for such things.

poikilotherm said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Firstly, who says we are relying on a third party to deliver the information?

To be fair to our valued public servant dogs and people, it is quite possible there is an official site with similar information, but I haven’t seen it.

The NSW gov appear to have my e-mail address, so if they have a similar site, they really should publicise it.

The data is provided by NSW health, they have a free update database that was intended pacifically for such things.

The best information I could find was:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/latest-news-and-updates#latest-covid-19-case-locations-in-nsw

But a long text list (under the heading Northern Beaches but including all Sydney cases) is nowhere near as easy to use as a clickable map.

Europe locks the door on UK.

France and Germany ban travel from UK; Ireland bringing in restrictions

Ireland restricts travel from Britain as Italy, Belgium and Netherlands stop UK travel; Cases of new strain reported outside UK, says WHO

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

This is being kept up to date by @dogryan100 and @stuntguy3000

So how come we are relying on a dog and a stuntguy to do this, rather than public service animals and/or people?

How do they differentiate between places requiring test and self-isolate or just test and watch for symptoms?

Why does the meeja keep calling it a Northern Beaches outbreak when over half the cases are outside the N. Beaches area?

Too many questions. ;)

Firstly, who says we are relying on a third party to deliver the information?
Secondly, buggered if I know.
Thirdly, why do they say far west NSW when they mean central or eastern?
I’d suspect that anywhere north of the Sydney GPO is well, northerly.

I would have thought north of the harbour.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So how come we are relying on a dog and a stuntguy to do this, rather than public service animals and/or people?

How do they differentiate between places requiring test and self-isolate or just test and watch for symptoms?

Why does the meeja keep calling it a Northern Beaches outbreak when over half the cases are outside the N. Beaches area?

Too many questions. ;)

Firstly, who says we are relying on a third party to deliver the information?
Secondly, buggered if I know.
Thirdly, why do they say far west NSW when they mean central or eastern?
I’d suspect that anywhere north of the Sydney GPO is well, northerly.

I would have thought north of the harbour.

Yeah, that’ll do.

Eurotunnel travel, including freight, has also been shut down.

But one of Scotland’s key shellfish suppliers has tweeted out about the strain this will have on businesses, writing: “There will be Vivier trucks from all over Scotland heading in that direction, millions of pounds worth of seafood at the time of the most important market of the year the last one before Xmas, Jesus if BREXIT wasn’t going to put us out of business by Tuesday this week we will be.

“Even if we get through 48 hours later we will miss the Xmas deadline, this is unbelievable.”

Bubblecar said:

Europe locks the door on UK.

France and Germany ban travel from UK; Ireland bringing in restrictions

Ireland restricts travel from Britain as Italy, Belgium and Netherlands stop UK travel; Cases of new strain reported outside UK, says WHO

Scotland has too.

As Covid death toll soars ever higher, Sweden wonders who to blame

Champions of herd immunity once lauded the Nordic refuseniks. All that has changed now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/as-covid-death-toll-soars-ever-higher-sweden-wonders-who-to-blame

We’d better get more toilet rolls.

sarahs mum said:

We’d better get more toilet rolls.

Still got the ones I bought last time.

One’s mind does boggle at the consumption of gate rolls. When I can clearly remember cutting up squares of newspaper to stick on a nail in the long drop.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

We’d better get more toilet rolls.

Still got the ones I bought last time.

One’s mind does boggle at the consumption of gate rolls. When I can clearly remember cutting up squares of newspaper to stick on a nail in the long drop.

I wish i couldn’t remember the smell of Aunty Clair’s pan toilet.

We had a long drop here for a while. It didn’t smell anything nearly as bad as Aunty Clair’s.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

We’d better get more toilet rolls.

Still got the ones I bought last time.

One’s mind does boggle at the consumption of gate rolls. When I can clearly remember cutting up squares of newspaper to stick on a nail in the long drop.

I wish i couldn’t remember the smell of Aunty Clair’s pan toilet.

We had a long drop here for a while. It didn’t smell anything nearly as bad as Aunty Clair’s.

Worst smelling toilets I’ve encountered in recent years were in the LGH. I suppose it’s to be expected as some patients probably can’t help leaving a stink in there.

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

Is one of the symptoms of Covid the desire to get your hair done? Why are there 4 bloody hairdressers on that list?

Well my appointment for tomorrow was made some months ago because my usual 4 or 5 week trim happened to fall this week. And M is always busy in the two weeks before Christmas. People must get their hair done for Christmas, I guess.

How often do you get your hair done?

There are four gyms on that list, which I can understand because people tend to go there several times a week.

As I mentioned, a trim every 4 or 5 weeks, depending on growth rate (which varies).

Bubblecar said:

As Covid death toll soars ever higher, Sweden wonders who to blame

Champions of herd immunity once lauded the Nordic refuseniks. All that has changed now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/as-covid-death-toll-soars-ever-higher-sweden-wonders-who-to-blame

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

As Covid death toll soars ever higher, Sweden wonders who to blame

Champions of herd immunity once lauded the Nordic refuseniks. All that has changed now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/as-covid-death-toll-soars-ever-higher-sweden-wonders-who-to-blame

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Obviously various countries are doing worse than Sweden, but Sweden are doing worse than countries like Australia whose approach they poo-poohed.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

As Covid death toll soars ever higher, Sweden wonders who to blame

Champions of herd immunity once lauded the Nordic refuseniks. All that has changed now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/as-covid-death-toll-soars-ever-higher-sweden-wonders-who-to-blame

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Obviously various countries are doing worse than Sweden, but Sweden are doing worse than countries like Australia whose approach they poo-poohed.

You know what? I don’t think they really have an opinion on Australia. Oh, and Sweden is not an island. That has been our saving grace.

Not as many as yesterday – 15:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/nsw-coronavirus-cluster-northern-breaches-grows/13002998

That’s a lot of tests too.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Obviously various countries are doing worse than Sweden, but Sweden are doing worse than countries like Australia whose approach they poo-poohed.

You know what? I don’t think they really have an opinion on Australia. Oh, and Sweden is not an island. That has been our saving grace.

Compared to their Scandinavian cousins they’re doing a lot worse with little difference in economic outcomes.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Obviously various countries are doing worse than Sweden, but Sweden are doing worse than countries like Australia whose approach they poo-poohed.

You know what? I don’t think they really have an opinion on Australia. Oh, and Sweden is not an island. That has been our saving grace.

They probably don’t have an opinion on Australia, they’re a very insular little place, much more so than Oz.

But they’re also doing worse than other Scandinavian countries, and that they will have noticed.

Summary of the key developments in the past few hours

I got curious…Norway:

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/coronavirus-in-norway/

Denmark (apparently not so pointy finger at Sweden now)

https://www.ft.com/content/f99f19c3-6dec-4a0c-96ed-d40d6cbdaf2a

buffy said:

Denmark (apparently not so pointy finger at Sweden now)

https://www.ft.com/content/f99f19c3-6dec-4a0c-96ed-d40d6cbdaf2a

Sweden’s government, people and monarch are all saying their approach has failed.

You apparently disagree.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

As Covid death toll soars ever higher, Sweden wonders who to blame

Champions of herd immunity once lauded the Nordic refuseniks. All that has changed now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/as-covid-death-toll-soars-ever-higher-sweden-wonders-who-to-blame

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Doubt you’ll find any objecting reporting on Sweden, the media mob has assembled and their journalists have lighted torches and they are chanting slogans and they’ve got a rope.

Mrs Cymek is doing Covid testing at various location in Perth, they had a runner at the airport the other day, the flamethrower and heavy machine gun units took them down pretty quick

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Trump spiritual adviser tests positive for coronavirus

The leader of a north Georgia megachurch who has been a spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump has tested positive for Covid-19, AP reports.

Jentezen Franklin, the senior pastor of Free Chapel in Gainesville was absent from Sunday services, news outlets reported.

Pastor Javon Ruff announced the diagnosis during Free Chapel’s Sunday service, held both in-person and streamed live.

“We want to make you aware that Pastor Franklin has come in contact with COVID, but he is doing perfectly fine. He actually is doing great,” Ruff said. “He went and got tested and his test came back positive so he is doing the right thing to do and staying quarantined and continuing to be distanced. We’ll continue to pray and lift him up.”

The diagnosis came within days of Franklin attending a Christmas party at the White House. On Tuesday, Franklin posted on Instagram a photo of himself and his daughter at a White House Christmas party.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

As Covid death toll soars ever higher, Sweden wonders who to blame

Champions of herd immunity once lauded the Nordic refuseniks. All that has changed now

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/as-covid-death-toll-soars-ever-higher-sweden-wonders-who-to-blame

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Doubt you’ll find any objecting reporting on Sweden, the media mob has assembled and their journalists have lighted torches and they are chanting slogans and they’ve got a rope.

Sweden’s own PM and king are now saying the government got it wrong and followed the wrong health advice.

Sweden’s media were reporting uncritically until fairly recently (as is to be expected in such a conformist society) but are now subjecting the authorities to much more scrutiny.

Cymek said:

Mrs Cymek is doing Covid testing at various location in Perth, they had a runner at the airport the other day, the flamethrower and heavy machine gun units took them down pretty quick

Were they screaming ‘Praise God and his prophet Donald’?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Mrs Cymek is doing Covid testing at various location in Perth, they had a runner at the airport the other day, the flamethrower and heavy machine gun units took them down pretty quick

Were they screaming ‘Praise God and his prophet Donald’?

You were there ?

I can’t find much on Finland. But I found this think tank article. It’s an interesting read, if biassed.

https://fee.org/articles/how-finland-and-norway-proved-sweden-s-approach-to-covid-19-works/

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Have a look at the cumulative deaths and daily deaths graphs (underneath the big table). Then click on the top of the deaths per million chart. Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment. I don’t think it will be long before USA overtakes UK, although they are both going hell for leather on the deaths front.

Sweden figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

World figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Doubt you’ll find any objecting reporting on Sweden, the media mob has assembled and their journalists have lighted torches and they are chanting slogans and they’ve got a rope.

Sweden’s own PM and king are now saying the government got it wrong and followed the wrong health advice.

Sweden’s media were reporting uncritically until fairly recently (as is to be expected in such a conformist society) but are now subjecting the authorities to much more scrutiny.

I’ve never actually been to Sweden, but I’ve met quite a few people from there, and strangely they seemed to have much the same degree of variation in opinions and attitudes as people from anywhere else.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Doubt you’ll find any objecting reporting on Sweden, the media mob has assembled and their journalists have lighted torches and they are chanting slogans and they’ve got a rope.

Sweden’s own PM and king are now saying the government got it wrong and followed the wrong health advice.

Sweden’s media were reporting uncritically until fairly recently (as is to be expected in such a conformist society) but are now subjecting the authorities to much more scrutiny.

I’ve never actually been to Sweden, but I’ve met quite a few people from there, and strangely they seemed to have much the same degree of variation in opinions and attitudes as people from anywhere else.

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

buffy said:

I can’t find much on Finland. But I found this think tank article. It’s an interesting read, if biassed.

https://fee.org/articles/how-finland-and-norway-proved-sweden-s-approach-to-covid-19-works/

The TATE article on FEE is pretty brief, but I see they use the L word (“libertarianism”), so I think we can safely disregard all they say.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Sweden’s own PM and king are now saying the government got it wrong and followed the wrong health advice.

Sweden’s media were reporting uncritically until fairly recently (as is to be expected in such a conformist society) but are now subjecting the authorities to much more scrutiny.

I’ve never actually been to Sweden, but I’ve met quite a few people from there, and strangely they seemed to have much the same degree of variation in opinions and attitudes as people from anywhere else.

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve never actually been to Sweden, but I’ve met quite a few people from there, and strangely they seemed to have much the same degree of variation in opinions and attitudes as people from anywhere else.

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve never actually been to Sweden, but I’ve met quite a few people from there, and strangely they seemed to have much the same degree of variation in opinions and attitudes as people from anywhere else.

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Except for people who call themselves “libertarians” of course.

You can stuff them all in a box together as much as you like.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

‘Scuse me for having a differing opinion on something.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I can’t find much on Finland. But I found this think tank article. It’s an interesting read, if biassed.

https://fee.org/articles/how-finland-and-norway-proved-sweden-s-approach-to-covid-19-works/

The TATE article on FEE is pretty brief, but I see they use the L word (“libertarianism”), so I think we can safely disregard all they say.

I noticed that. But I still found it interesting to read. I don’t have to take it seriously to find it interesting. Perspectives and all that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

‘Scuse me for having a differing opinion on something.

You’re accusing me of putting the Swedes in the box that they habitually put themselves, when describing their traditions of social conformism.

Never mind, it’s not important :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

‘Scuse me for having a differing opinion on something.

What is important is that whether or not it is statistically likely for a person to be more conformist if they are Swedish. Sure, individuals may vary but when looking at the population as a whole is there a difference between Swedes and citizens of another country…

By the way… Sebastian has written again.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/19/update-on-the-swedish-covid-response/

buffy said:

By the way… Sebastian has written again.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/19/update-on-the-swedish-covid-response/

“In conclusion, the Swedish government has officially lost its mind. In the name of protecting public health, the government is doing its utmost to destroy public health. In spite of the fact that some of the biggest risk factors for severe covid are obesity and lack of exercise, the government is seriously telling people to stop visiting swimming pools and gyms; in other words, to stop exercising.”

… FMD he’s a nutter!

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

‘Scuse me for having a differing opinion on something.

What is important is that whether or not it is statistically likely for a person to be more conformist if they are Swedish. Sure, individuals may vary but when looking at the population as a whole is there a difference between Swedes and citizens of another country…

Well no, I disagree. That is not important at all.

4m ago 12:13

Medical staffing is stretched increasingly thin as California hospitals scramble to find beds for patients amid an explosion of coronavirus cases that threatens to overwhelm the state’s emergency care system, AP reports.

As of Sunday, more than 16,840 people were hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 infections — more than double the previous peak reached in July — and a state model that uses current data to forecast future trends shows the number could reach 75,000 by mid-January.

More than 3,610 Covid-19 patients were in intensive care units. All of Southern California and the 12-county San Joaquin Valley to the north have exhausted their regular ICU capacity, and some hospitals have begun using “surge” space. Overall, the state’s ICU capacity was just 2.1% on Sunday.

In hard-hit Los Angeles County, Nerissa Black, a nurse at Henry Mayo Newhall Hospital, estimated she’s been averaging less than 10 minutes of care per patient every hour. That includes not just bedside care, but donning gear, writing up charts, reviewing lab results and conferring with doctors, she said.

“And the patients who are coming in are more sick now than they’ve ever been, because a lot of people are waiting before they get care. So when they do come in, they’re really, really sick,” Black said Sunday.

The enormous crush of cases in the last six weeks has California’s death toll spiraling ever higher. Another 161 fatalities were reported Sunday for a total of 22,593.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve never actually been to Sweden, but I’ve met quite a few people from there, and strangely they seemed to have much the same degree of variation in opinions and attitudes as people from anywhere else.

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Its more helpful if people put themselves in boxes, then you don’t have to do any heavy lifting.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

I thought Swedish people were better than that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

‘Scuse me for having a differing opinion on something.

What is important is that whether or not it is statistically likely for a person to be more conformist if they are Swedish. Sure, individuals may vary but when looking at the population as a whole is there a difference between Swedes and citizens of another country…

Well no, I disagree. That is not important at all.

It is actually quite useful to put people into “boxes”, as you say, and if you know which box they are in it makes it a lot easier to target them. There is variance across populations but the average is a good place to start…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

I thought Swedish people were better than that.

I’m shocked.

Scandinavians in general traditionally regard themselves as more socially conformist than other cultures:

Law of Jante

The Law of Jante (Danish: Janteloven) is a literary element that has been assumed by some to explain the egalitarian nature of Nordic countries. It characterises not conforming, doing things out of the ordinary, or being personally ambitious as unworthy and inappropriate. The attitudes were first formulated in the form of the ten rules of Jante Law by the Danish-Norwegian author Aksel Sandemose in his satirical novel A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks (En flyktning krysser sitt spor, 1933), but the actual attitudes themselves are older. Sandemose portrays the fictional small Danish town of Jante, which he modeled upon his native town Nykøbing Mors in the 1930s, where nobody was anonymous, a feature of life typical of all small towns and communities.

Used generally in colloquial speech in the Nordic countries as a sociological term to denote a social attitude of disapproval towards expressions of individuality and personal success, it emphasizes adherence to the collective.

…..It is common in Scandinavia to claim the Law of Jante as something quintessentially Danish, Norwegian or Swedish. The rules are treated as a way of behaving in order to fit in and results in dressing similarly and the types of cars that people buy and buying similar products for their homes.

It’s commonly stated that Jante Law is for people in the provinces, but commentators have suggested that metropolitan areas are also affected.

While the original intention was as satire, Kim Orlin Kantardjiev, a Norwegian politician and educational advisor claims that the Law of Jante is taught in schools as more of a social code to encourage group behavior, and wants to credit it with fueling Nordic countries’ high happiness scores. It has also been suggested that contentedness with a humdrum lifestyle is a part of happiness in the Scandinavian countries.

However, in Scandinavia, there have also been articles which link the Law of Jante to high suicide rates. Backlash has occurred against the rules, and in Norway someone even placed a grave for Jante Laws, declaring them dead in 2005. However, others have questioned whether they will ever go away, as they may be firmly entrenched in society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

What is important is that whether or not it is statistically likely for a person to be more conformist if they are Swedish. Sure, individuals may vary but when looking at the population as a whole is there a difference between Swedes and citizens of another country…

Well no, I disagree. That is not important at all.

It is actually quite useful to put people into “boxes”, as you say, and if you know which box they are in it makes it a lot easier to target them. There is variance across populations but the average is a good place to start…

I think that is a very un-useful thing to do, except possibly in some very unusual circumstances.

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well no, I disagree. That is not important at all.

It is actually quite useful to put people into “boxes”, as you say, and if you know which box they are in it makes it a lot easier to target them. There is variance across populations but the average is a good place to start…

I think that is a very un-useful thing to do, except possibly in some very unusual circumstances.

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

It is actually quite useful to put people into “boxes”, as you say, and if you know which box they are in it makes it a lot easier to target them. There is variance across populations but the average is a good place to start…

I think that is a very un-useful thing to do, except possibly in some very unusual circumstances.

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

I find they are easier to post when they are already in boxes.

sarahs mum said:

4m ago 12:13

Medical staffing is stretched increasingly thin as California hospitals scramble to find beds for patients amid an explosion of coronavirus cases that threatens to overwhelm the state’s emergency care system, AP reports.

As of Sunday, more than 16,840 people were hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 infections — more than double the previous peak reached in July — and a state model that uses current data to forecast future trends shows the number could reach 75,000 by mid-January.

More than 3,610 Covid-19 patients were in intensive care units. All of Southern California and the 12-county San Joaquin Valley to the north have exhausted their regular ICU capacity, and some hospitals have begun using “surge” space. Overall, the state’s ICU capacity was just 2.1% on Sunday.

In hard-hit Los Angeles County, Nerissa Black, a nurse at Henry Mayo Newhall Hospital, estimated she’s been averaging less than 10 minutes of care per patient every hour. That includes not just bedside care, but donning gear, writing up charts, reviewing lab results and conferring with doctors, she said.

“And the patients who are coming in are more sick now than they’ve ever been, because a lot of people are waiting before they get care. So when they do come in, they’re really, really sick,” Black said Sunday.

The enormous crush of cases in the last six weeks has California’s death toll spiraling ever higher. Another 161 fatalities were reported Sunday for a total of 22,593.

Thanksgiving surge.

What a dirty lot those Europeans are, they will need to do more hand washing.

And they should have been wearing masks earlier.

I have friends in Sweden. He is anti vax and believes that contrails do awful things.He was posting a lot on facebook about herd immunity but he seems to have gone quiet.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

By the way… Sebastian has written again.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/19/update-on-the-swedish-covid-response/

“In conclusion, the Swedish government has officially lost its mind. In the name of protecting public health, the government is doing its utmost to destroy public health. In spite of the fact that some of the biggest risk factors for severe covid are obesity and lack of exercise, the government is seriously telling people to stop visiting swimming pools and gyms; in other words, to stop exercising.”

… FMD he’s a nutter!

Fun to read, but.

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

It is actually quite useful to put people into “boxes”, as you say, and if you know which box they are in it makes it a lot easier to target them. There is variance across populations but the average is a good place to start…

I think that is a very un-useful thing to do, except possibly in some very unusual circumstances.

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

People with differing opinions do normally think that they are right, and the other person is wrong, but at least 50% of the sample will be wrong about that (and often a much higher %).

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think that is a very un-useful thing to do, except possibly in some very unusual circumstances.

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

People with differing opinions do normally think that they are right, and the other person is wrong, but at least 50% of the sample will be wrong about that (and often a much higher %).

+-1

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

People with differing opinions do normally think that they are right, and the other person is wrong, but at least 50% of the sample will be wrong about that (and often a much higher %).

+-1

However, some people are more frequently wrong than others.

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think that is a very un-useful thing to do, except possibly in some very unusual circumstances.

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

People with differing opinions do normally think that they are right, and the other person is wrong, but at least 50% of the sample will be wrong about that (and often a much higher %).

That’s it though. You are focussed on wrong and right but the purposes of making assumptions about a population is to get as much into the “right” box as possible. You can’t make rules, laws, policy decisions based on individuals. Governments are not like facebook or google where they can individualise it based on what you respond to. They instead have to take into account population parameters and work within that. There is going to be outliers in any population but targeting the mean (plus or minus) is going to capture the bulk of the population…

Tau.Neutrino said:

What a dirty lot those Europeans are, they will need to do more hand washing.

I’m starting a gofundme to do basic hygiene education for people on Sydney’s Northern Beaches.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What a dirty lot those Europeans are, they will need to do more hand washing.

I’m starting a gofundme to do basic hygiene education for people on Sydney’s Northern Beaches.

I hope the first lesson covers not licking the dance floor at a bowling club…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

I thought Swedish people were better than that.

In fairness Sweden is the outlier in Scandinavia. The other Nordic countries have done very well.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What a dirty lot those Europeans are, they will need to do more hand washing.

I’m starting a gofundme to do basic hygiene education for people on Sydney’s Northern Beaches.

Teach them to hold in their breath.

That might help.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

I thought Swedish people were better than that.

In fairness Sweden is the outlier in Scandinavia. The other Nordic countries have done very well.

That’s good to hear, maybe lessons can be learned.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

I thought Swedish people were better than that.

In fairness Sweden is the outlier in Scandinavia. The other Nordic countries have done very well.

I worry about Norway because I have family there.

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

People with differing opinions do normally think that they are right, and the other person is wrong, but at least 50% of the sample will be wrong about that (and often a much higher %).

That’s it though. You are focussed on wrong and right but the purposes of making assumptions about a population is to get as much into the “right” box as possible. You can’t make rules, laws, policy decisions based on individuals. Governments are not like facebook or google where they can individualise it based on what you respond to. They instead have to take into account population parameters and work within that. There is going to be outliers in any population but targeting the mean (plus or minus) is going to capture the bulk of the population…

On the contrary, making rules, laws, and policy decisions by forming some sort of global average of all the people in a country, and then making decisions on the basis that everyone was close to that average will almost always give sub-optimal results.

The Rev Dodgson said:

poikilotherm said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

To be fair to our valued public servant dogs and people, it is quite possible there is an official site with similar information, but I haven’t seen it.

The NSW gov appear to have my e-mail address, so if they have a similar site, they really should publicise it.

The data is provided by NSW health, they have a free update database that was intended pacifically for such things.

The best information I could find was:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/latest-news-and-updates#latest-covid-19-case-locations-in-nsw

But a long text list (under the heading Northern Beaches but including all Sydney cases) is nowhere near as easy to use as a clickable map.

Yes but why would NSW make it easy for people to understand when they could spend that effort pointing fingers at VIC for failing to inform its residents in 50 different languages instead.

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

Well my appointment for tomorrow was made some months ago because my usual 4 or 5 week trim happened to fall this week. And M is always busy in the two weeks before Christmas. People must get their hair done for Christmas, I guess.

How often do you get your hair done?

There are four gyms on that list, which I can understand because people tend to go there several times a week.

As I mentioned, a trim every 4 or 5 weeks, depending on growth rate (which varies).

if our informant is correct, their claim: Australia is the most or second most obese country, and when you’re that fat, the gym is infeasible but you can still get your hair done and feel like you’ve done your bit to look good

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

People with differing opinions do normally think that they are right, and the other person is wrong, but at least 50% of the sample will be wrong about that (and often a much higher %).

That’s it though. You are focussed on wrong and right but the purposes of making assumptions about a population is to get as much into the “right” box as possible. You can’t make rules, laws, policy decisions based on individuals. Governments are not like facebook or google where they can individualise it based on what you respond to. They instead have to take into account population parameters and work within that. There is going to be outliers in any population but targeting the mean (plus or minus) is going to capture the bulk of the population…

On the contrary, making rules, laws, and policy decisions by forming some sort of global average of all the people in a country, and then making decisions on the basis that everyone was close to that average will almost always give sub-optimal results.

If you took the time to measure the average then you would also know the distribution and make your plans based on that…

As I said before, we have a hot spot in Avalon. We have a hot spot in the Northern Beaches. And when you have hot spots, you respond to those with restrictions. That is the way this has been successfully managed anywhere in the world and Australia is no different to that.

—

LOL

“Miracles happen everyday in Australia, small and large, and Christmas is a time to give thanks to those that we know of.”

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

That’s it though. You are focussed on wrong and right but the purposes of making assumptions about a population is to get as much into the “right” box as possible. You can’t make rules, laws, policy decisions based on individuals. Governments are not like facebook or google where they can individualise it based on what you respond to. They instead have to take into account population parameters and work within that. There is going to be outliers in any population but targeting the mean (plus or minus) is going to capture the bulk of the population…

On the contrary, making rules, laws, and policy decisions by forming some sort of global average of all the people in a country, and then making decisions on the basis that everyone was close to that average will almost always give sub-optimal results.

If you took the time to measure the average then you would also know the distribution and make your plans based on that…

So we actually agree and could be 100% right after all.

furious said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

As you have made abundantly clear. But you’re still wrong…

People with differing opinions do normally think that they are right, and the other person is wrong, but at least 50% of the sample will be wrong about that (and often a much higher %).

That’s it though. You are focussed on wrong and right but the purposes of making assumptions about a population is to get as much into the “right” box as possible. You can’t make rules, laws, policy decisions based on individuals. Governments are not like facebook or google where they can individualise it based on what you respond to. They instead have to take into account population parameters and work within that. There is going to be outliers in any population but targeting the mean (plus or minus) is going to capture the bulk of the population…

surely it’s an Either Or Case and if people have different opinions, then either one of them is correct, or the other one is, and the fella cited also reckons it could be neither of them

⚠ this post may contain satirical elements

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

They have a reputation for being very conformist and respectful of authority (similar to Japanese culture in their “knock down the raised nail” traditions). This is probably one of the reasons the “herd” approach was chosen – the government had confidence in Swedish herd mentality :)

But now they’re admitting they got it wrong and a lot of the people are more critical.

My comment on the Swedish people I have met applies equally to the Japanese people I have met.

Many people like to put other people in boxes, but it is rarely helpful.

Swedish people themselves will tell you the Swedes are traditionally conformist, but you know better.

Seems everyone knows better than ol’ Bubblecar today, so I’ll butt out.

oh c’m‘on, seems like Paul O’Shea, Senior Lecturer, Centre for East and South-East Asian Studies, Lund University knows same

https://theconversation.com/sweden-and-japan-are-paying-the-price-for-covid-exceptionalism-151974

Two such countries are Sweden and Japan, which in 2020 have forged a different path to their neighbours on coronavirus and attributed their early successes to the assumed advantages of an inherent national character. But today, both seem to be paying the price.

buffy said:

Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment.

So you’re saying that three countries that never did a proper lockdown are all doing very badly.

dv said:

buffy said:

Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment.

So you’re saying that three countries that never did a proper lockdown are all doing very badly.

I think it’s fair to say USA never actually tried at all. State governors did have a go, I guess, but they were up against it with the feds.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment.

So you’re saying that three countries that never did a proper lockdown are all doing very badly.

I think it’s fair to say USA never actually tried at all. State governors did have a go, I guess, but they were up against it with the feds.

On the other hand, countries like NZ, Australia and Norway that had tight restrictions rather than relying on herd immunity have done very well. Like, #181, #129 and #110 in the world on death rates.

So, we can finally put the vaccineless herd immunity strategy to sleep as a good idea.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

So you’re saying that three countries that never did a proper lockdown are all doing very badly.

I think it’s fair to say USA never actually tried at all. State governors did have a go, I guess, but they were up against it with the feds.

On the other hand, countries like NZ, Australia and Norway that had tight restrictions rather than relying on herd immunity have done very well. Like, #181, #129 and #110 in the world on death rates.

So, we can finally put the vaccineless herd immunity strategy to sleep as a good idea.

Ooh, I don’t think it’s over yet.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

Sweden is presently sitting at number 24. Some weeks ago they were at 14, I think. UK and USA are at 11 and 12 at the moment.

So you’re saying that three countries that never did a proper lockdown are all doing very badly.

I think it’s fair to say USA never actually tried at all. State governors did have a go, I guess, but they were up against it with the feds.

I think the thing that annoyed me the most in Mrs Ohio’s last diatribe was that Biden would now be responsible for the death toll. How do you argue withh someone that st00pid.

Road barricades will return to Queensland’s crossing points into NSW tomorrow as Queensland ramps up its border controls in response to the Sydney COVID outbreak.

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says some people from NSW had breached the border and been turned around.

>>Victorians making their way home by road after being in Sydney or the Central Coast face the prospect of being turned around and refused entry to their home state, unless they cross the border before midnight tonight.<<

Goodness…that’s been changed. It was going to be hotel quarantine.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-greater-sydney/13002562

Very detailed analysis of Victoria’s quarantine mess:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/no-one-owns-decision-to-use-security-guards-for-hotel-quarantine-inquiry-finds-20201221-p56p69.html

Turns out the airport van driver is not linked to the Avalon cluster. From Saturday:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/van-driver-who-tested-positive-to-covid-did-not-spread-virus-nsw-health-confirms/news-story/9ee5d6c0c85a1ef16f8f90f1caed6954

Witty Rejoinder said:

Turns out the airport van driver is not linked to the Avalon cluster. From Saturday:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/van-driver-who-tested-positive-to-covid-did-not-spread-virus-nsw-health-confirms/news-story/9ee5d6c0c85a1ef16f8f90f1caed6954

Bugger. That would have been a nice, neat trace.

Lorna Jane taken to court over ‘anti-virus’ activewear as ACCC focuses on dodgy pandemic claims

How do they think this type of clothing protects people from corona virus ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Lorna Jane taken to court over ‘anti-virus’ activewear as ACCC focuses on dodgy pandemic claims

How do they think this type of clothing protects people from corona virus ?

Easier to run away…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Lorna Jane taken to court over ‘anti-virus’ activewear as ACCC focuses on dodgy pandemic claims

How do they think this type of clothing protects people from corona virus ?

Covers all the naughty bits.

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Lorna Jane taken to court over ‘anti-virus’ activewear as ACCC focuses on dodgy pandemic claims

How do they think this type of clothing protects people from corona virus ?

Covers all the naughty bits.

Ah, cover the naughty bits and your safe.

furious said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Lorna Jane taken to court over ‘anti-virus’ activewear as ACCC focuses on dodgy pandemic claims

How do they think this type of clothing protects people from corona virus ?

Easier to run away…

When you only want to run for 1.5 meters and then your safe.

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Lorna Jane taken to court over ‘anti-virus’ activewear as ACCC focuses on dodgy pandemic claims

How do they think this type of clothing protects people from corona virus ?

Covers all the naughty bits.

Ah, cover the naughty bits and your safe.

That’s what the nuns used to tell us.

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Lorna Jane taken to court over ‘anti-virus’ activewear as ACCC focuses on dodgy pandemic claims

How do they think this type of clothing protects people from corona virus ?

Covers all the naughty bits.

Ah, cover the naughty bits and your safe.

her safe, is that what we’re calling the box these days, makes sense now why PUAs are always trying to get numbers

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Covers all the naughty bits.

Ah, cover the naughty bits and your safe.

That’s what the nuns used to tell us.

Doesn’t covering go against their teachings?

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Ah, cover the naughty bits and your safe.

That’s what the nuns used to tell us.

Doesn’t covering go against their teachings?

Ever see a Catholic nun from the 1950s/60s/70s?

Whoever Decided To Block Greater Sydney Was A Genius

There has also been another case linked to the Rose of Australia hotel in Erskineville in Sydney’s inner-west. Anyone at the venue on December 15 after 7:00pm should get tested and isolate. Dr Chant said records at the venue were incomplete and urged people to come forward.

Five cases at a workplace in the Sydney CBD have also been linked to the Avalon cluster. Close contacts, including the other 10 workers, have been tested and are isolating.

—

In the CBD eh, good luck with that not locking down business, Sydney¡

SCIENCE said:

Whoever Decided To Block Greater Sydney Was A Genius

There has also been another case linked to the Rose of Australia hotel in Erskineville in Sydney’s inner-west. Anyone at the venue on December 15 after 7:00pm should get tested and isolate. Dr Chant said records at the venue were incomplete and urged people to come forward.

Five cases at a workplace in the Sydney CBD have also been linked to the Avalon cluster. Close contacts, including the other 10 workers, have been tested and are isolating.

—

In the CBD eh, good luck with that not locking down business, Sydney¡

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian will announce on Wednesday what the restrictions will be in the Greater Sydney area for Christmas.

She said the situation was being reviewed “hourly”.

—

At the rate this is going, what they should be is — everyone stay the fuck at home with the family you usually have in that household.

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

That’s what the nuns used to tell us.

Doesn’t covering go against their teachings?

Ever see a Catholic nun from the 1950s/60s/70s?

Probably, in a movie or something. But I was making a vague reference to prophylactics i.e. covering naughty bits…

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

Doesn’t covering go against their teachings?

Ever see a Catholic nun from the 1950s/60s/70s?

Probably, in a movie or something. But I was making a vague reference to prophylactics i.e. covering naughty bits…

A bit too subtle for me. It’s been a beastly day, and i’m running a bit slow.

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

Doesn’t covering go against their teachings?

Ever see a Catholic nun from the 1950s/60s/70s?

Probably, in a movie or something. But I was making a vague reference to prophylactics i.e. covering naughty bits…

Bernadette?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-52-days-of-no-new-covid-19-cases-in-the-community-20201221-p56p5n.html

Dan should have asked for ADF. Now we aren’t going to help with ADF, now that he is asking.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Whoever Decided To Block Greater Sydney Was A Genius

There has also been another case linked to the Rose of Australia hotel in Erskineville in Sydney’s inner-west. Anyone at the venue on December 15 after 7:00pm should get tested and isolate. Dr Chant said records at the venue were incomplete and urged people to come forward.

Five cases at a workplace in the Sydney CBD have also been linked to the Avalon cluster. Close contacts, including the other 10 workers, have been tested and are isolating.

—

In the CBD eh, good luck with that not locking down business, Sydney¡

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian will announce on Wednesday what the restrictions will be in the Greater Sydney area for Christmas.

She said the situation was being reviewed “hourly”.

—

At the rate this is going, what they should be is — everyone stay the fuck at home with the family you usually have in that household.

But but but CHRISTMAS !!!

buffy said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-records-52-days-of-no-new-covid-19-cases-in-the-community-20201221-p56p5n.html

Dan should have asked for ADF. Now we aren’t going to help with ADF, now that he is asking.

Now honey child ya’ll got all excited and talking fast and missing words and all.
Now you just calm down ya hear and PWM will see if he can help.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/northern-beaches-cluster-unlike-melbourne-outbreak-lockdown/13004512

Oh dear. This might come back to bite.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/northern-beaches-cluster-unlike-melbourne-outbreak-lockdown/13004512

Oh dear. This might come back to bite.

No, no, it’ll be fine. Melbourne decided to just ringwall certain suburbs and that all worked out fine in the end,

sibeen said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/northern-beaches-cluster-unlike-melbourne-outbreak-lockdown/13004512

Oh dear. This might come back to bite.

No, no, it’ll be fine. Melbourne decided to just ringwall certain suburbs and that all worked out fine in the end,

Like molly

sibeen said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/northern-beaches-cluster-unlike-melbourne-outbreak-lockdown/13004512

Oh dear. This might come back to bite.

No, no, it’ll be fine. Melbourne decided to just ringwall certain suburbs and that all worked out fine in the end,

I particularly meant this bit:

>>Mary-Louise McLaws, professor of epidemiology at UNSW, said the two lockdowns were very different because in Melbourne there was a persistently risky level of community spread when the cases escaped from hotel quarantine in May.<<

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/northern-beaches-cluster-unlike-melbourne-outbreak-lockdown/13004512

Oh dear. This might come back to bite.

No, no, it’ll be fine. Melbourne decided to just ringwall certain suburbs and that all worked out fine in the end,

I particularly meant this bit:

>>Mary-Louise McLaws, professor of epidemiology at UNSW, said the two lockdowns were very different because in Melbourne there was a persistently risky level of community spread when the cases escaped from hotel quarantine in May.<<

scratches at head

I really have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

No, no, it’ll be fine. Melbourne decided to just ringwall certain suburbs and that all worked out fine in the end,

I particularly meant this bit:

>>Mary-Louise McLaws, professor of epidemiology at UNSW, said the two lockdowns were very different because in Melbourne there was a persistently risky level of community spread when the cases escaped from hotel quarantine in May.<<

scratches at head

I really have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

I think it means that Melbourne had consistently low numbers of community transmission before it got out of hand while we’ve caught this Avalon cluster at the very beginning if sewage testing is accurate.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

I particularly meant this bit:

>>Mary-Louise McLaws, professor of epidemiology at UNSW, said the two lockdowns were very different because in Melbourne there was a persistently risky level of community spread when the cases escaped from hotel quarantine in May.<<

scratches at head

I really have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

I think it means that Melbourne had consistently low numbers of community transmission before it got out of hand while we’ve caught this Avalon cluster at the very beginning if sewage testing is accurate.

‘untraceable community transmission

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/anthony-fauci-vaccinate-santa-claus-coronavirus

fake news

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

scratches at head

I really have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

I think it means that Melbourne had consistently low numbers of community transmission before it got out of hand while we’ve caught this Avalon cluster at the very beginning if sewage testing is accurate.

‘untraceable community transmission

all it takes is one person singing at some church …

… also thank (null) for increasing “no religion” demographic in Australia

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-21/northern-beaches-cluster-unlike-melbourne-outbreak-lockdown/13004512

Oh dear. This might come back to bite.

No, no, it’ll be fine. Melbourne decided to just ringwall certain suburbs and that all worked out fine in the end,

I particularly meant this bit:

>>Mary-Louise McLaws, professor of epidemiology at UNSW, said the two lockdowns were very different because in Melbourne there was a persistently risky level of community spread when the cases escaped from hotel quarantine in May.<<

Unexceptional New South Wales

surely the level of risk also depends on the number of potential exposure sites

surely that means if the list is this long

then regardless of how “persistently risky” you think things have been, it’s time to seriously look at how immediately risky things are, and limit movement

Next unsolicited and magically granted recommendation:

• graded epidemic responses should be triggered at some quantitative measure of contact tracing points
• for example, a simple measure would be the number of items on the above list, say “apply lockdown when number of affected sites exceeds 20”
• the intelligent ones of you could come up with some better measure, perhaps using distances as well

Definitely Dan’s Fault

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ventilation-blamed-for-covid-spread-as-design-problems-are-detected-20201219-p56ox4.html

Investigators at Melbourne hospitals have found it is common for air in rooms of sick patients to be funnelled into busy corridors, with poor ventilation and airflow issues the likely cause of coronavirus cases during Victoria’s second wave. Royal Melbourne, Footscray and Sunshine hospitals found it is “ubiquitous” to have air travelling from hospital rooms out to busy corridors, in all but a limited number of dedicated negative-pressure rooms.

The findings have implications for hotel quarantine, with a lead researcher warning hotel ventilation systems were even more likely to spread COVID-19. “You would have never expected that their ventilation systems would be up to scratch for reducing airborne transmission. So why they were chosen considering this possible risk, I find quite extraordinary.”

—

and here we thought it was all because bouncers were breeding with blondes back from the USSA

SCIENCE said:

Definitely Dan’s Fault

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ventilation-blamed-for-covid-spread-as-design-problems-are-detected-20201219-p56ox4.html

Investigators at Melbourne hospitals have found it is common for air in rooms of sick patients to be funnelled into busy corridors, with poor ventilation and airflow issues the likely cause of coronavirus cases during Victoria’s second wave. Royal Melbourne, Footscray and Sunshine hospitals found it is “ubiquitous” to have air travelling from hospital rooms out to busy corridors, in all but a limited number of dedicated negative-pressure rooms.

The findings have implications for hotel quarantine, with a lead researcher warning hotel ventilation systems were even more likely to spread COVID-19. “You would have never expected that their ventilation systems would be up to scratch for reducing airborne transmission. So why they were chosen considering this possible risk, I find quite extraordinary.”

—

and here we thought it was all because bouncers were breeding with blondes back from the USSA

So every hotel and hospital needs to be redesigned with clean inflow air in the corridors at slightly higher pressure than the rooms, with a venting system in each room to expel the used air?

SCIENCE said:

Definitely Dan’s Fault

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ventilation-blamed-for-covid-spread-as-design-problems-are-detected-20201219-p56ox4.html

Investigators at Melbourne hospitals have found it is common for air in rooms of sick patients to be funnelled into busy corridors, with poor ventilation and airflow issues the likely cause of coronavirus cases during Victoria’s second wave. Royal Melbourne, Footscray and Sunshine hospitals found it is “ubiquitous” to have air travelling from hospital rooms out to busy corridors, in all but a limited number of dedicated negative-pressure rooms.

The findings have implications for hotel quarantine, with a lead researcher warning hotel ventilation systems were even more likely to spread COVID-19. “You would have never expected that their ventilation systems would be up to scratch for reducing airborne transmission. So why they were chosen considering this possible risk, I find quite extraordinary.”

—

and here we thought it was all because bouncers were breeding with blondes back from the USSA

Researchers talk about disease transmission vectors in hospitals. They research neckties and ID tags on lanyards and stethoscopes. They study the barriers to best practice and organisational inertia. They polite enquire how the staff are sterilising their iPads… They write reports and make recommendations.

And you still see it going on every day in every room of every hospital. Apologies for generalising, but I’ve had a couple of Iatrogenic infections. They seem to be deaf and blind to it.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Definitely Dan’s Fault

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ventilation-blamed-for-covid-spread-as-design-problems-are-detected-20201219-p56ox4.html

Investigators at Melbourne hospitals have found it is common for air in rooms of sick patients to be funnelled into busy corridors, with poor ventilation and airflow issues the likely cause of coronavirus cases during Victoria’s second wave. Royal Melbourne, Footscray and Sunshine hospitals found it is “ubiquitous” to have air travelling from hospital rooms out to busy corridors, in all but a limited number of dedicated negative-pressure rooms.

The findings have implications for hotel quarantine, with a lead researcher warning hotel ventilation systems were even more likely to spread COVID-19. “You would have never expected that their ventilation systems would be up to scratch for reducing airborne transmission. So why they were chosen considering this possible risk, I find quite extraordinary.”

—

and here we thought it was all because bouncers were breeding with blondes back from the USSA

So every hotel and hospital needs to be redesigned with clean inflow air in the corridors at slightly higher pressure than the rooms, with a venting system in each room to expel the used air?

if they’re meant to be quarantine hospitals and hotels, you would think so

then take the infectious dudes out of standard facilities and move them to appropriate ones

If Your Neighbours Are Doing Better Than You Are, Try Firebombing Them Instead

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/12/covid-19-six-new-covid-cases-in-new-zealand-s-managed-isolation-facilities.html

Six new imported cases of COVID-19 have been recorded in New Zealand over the past two days, the Ministry of Health announced on Sunday.

The cases were detected in managed isolation and quarantine facilities (MIQ), with no new evidence of community transmission to report.

The second person arrived on December 8 from Australia. This case also tested positive due to routine testing at around day 12 and has been transferred to the Auckland quarantine facility.

The fourth and fifth cases arrived on December 15 from the Netherlands, via Qatar and Australia. They both tested positive due to routine testing at around day three and have been transferred to the Auckland quarantine facility. The last new case to report arrived on December 15 from South Africa. This person tested positive during routine testing at around day three and has also been transferred to the Jet Park Hotel.

see also https://twitter.com/i/status/1340695191003553793

Professor Raina MacIntyre (MBBS Hons 1, FRACP, FAFPHM, M App Epid, PhD) is NHMRC Principal Research Fellow and Professor of Global Biosecurity. She heads the Biosecurity Program at the Kirby Institute, which conducts research in epidemiology, vaccinology, bioterrorism prevention, mathematical modelling, genetic epidemiology, public health and clinical trials in infectious diseases.

Probably nothing worth reading here then.

https://iser.med.unsw.edu.au/blog/covid-19-sydney-timing-infectiousness-and-why-new-years-eve-may-be-mother-all-super-spreading

The people infected this week will travel halfway across Sydney for the family Christmas lunch on Friday and maybe to another household for dinner, infecting a minimum of 360 new people in their wake, maybe more, as the rate of social contact increases on Christmas day. More Boxing Day parties will follow. Then, the 360 people infected on Christmas day will be at their peak infectiousness on New Year’s Eve. Without any serious symptoms, they will party on at New Year’s eve events, not to mention all the parties between Christmas and New Year, and infect over a 1000 new cases. New Year’s Eve will seed a much bigger epidemic than Christmas day. You could not plan a disaster more perfectly if you tried.*

*: isn’t that exactly why Russia CHINA set it to blow up in Sydney this week

The combination of silent infections, exponential growth and the calamitous timing of New Year’s Eve being within 1 incubation period of Christmas day is a tinder-box, and the Sydney outbreak could not have come at a worse time. Unlike most outbreaks in progress, we can pinpoint the exact date of expected super-spreading – December 25th and 31st – two days of massive cross-city movement and social gatherings. We can then predict that about 400 newly infected people will be at peak infectiousness on December 31st, and that we could be looking at 3000 cases by January 8th.

So what can we do? It is still possible to prevent this predictable chain of events in Sydney. Firstly, the testing capacity must be increased substantially – reports of people waiting in line for 5-6 hours in the last few days indicate many may lose patience and leave without testing. Secondly, we need to rapidly ensure we have digital contact tracing methods, so that if the epidemic gets large and we cannot keep track manually, we will not fall behind. That was the biggest lesson from Melbourne. We can mandate the QR codes at every public venue, including dining, retail and entertainment and on public transport. Mandation must be accompanied by enforcement and penalties. We can also automate the data download so that all that is needed is one scan. No hanging around and filling in data on a website. These extra steps complicate the process and decrease compliance. At the moment, it is all too easy to enter a retail or dining premise and not use the QR code, if the premise is compliant at all. A colour coded QR code system as was used in China during the Wuhan epidemic would help** – if it were mandatory for every air crew and passenger exiting Sydney airport to use the QR code and be triaged accordingly, you would not have mistakes made, such as recent arrivals who skipped quarantine and went straight to Melbourne.

**: except they lied obviously

Masks mandate across greater Sydney will make a difference, especially as people are flooding shopping malls in huge numbers for their Christmas shopping. Without a mandate, we can expect 30-50% at most to wear masks***. With a mandate, it will be close to 100%. A mask mandate early in an epidemic will be far more effective than one issued at the peak, and will prevent many more infections and deaths.

***: reports from our contact on the ground suggest this range to be approximately correct, so perhaps this so-called expert actually knows what ‘e’s talking about

Church services are also high risk, as Christmas is usually the most crowded that churches become. As we did at Easter, back up plans for virtual or televised services should be made. If services can be held outdoors, this is also an alternative. If held indoors, recorded choral music would be safest, or having singing only by the choir (with social distancing) and not the congregation. Singing generates high amounts of respiratory aerosols and there have been numerous church and choir outbreaks of COVID-19 documented.

Given the high risk of indoor transmission, if this epidemic has not dwindled to single digit numbers by Christmas, we need to ban indoor mass gatherings on New Year’s Eve, including dance parties, nightclubs, pubs and restaurants. If we don’t, these businesses may face even longer closures in the months ahead, as occurred in Melbourne with a three month lockdown.****

****: or not, because they could just stay open like the rest of the world and we can party all year

dv said:

What I find chilling is the thought that there is actually a real Mark Latham.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

What I find chilling is the thought that there is actually a real Mark Latham.

As Mark Latham comments go, that seems rather reasonable, and the response seems rather lame.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

What I find chilling is the thought that there is actually a real Mark Latham.

As Mark Latham comments go, that seems rather reasonable, and the response seems rather lame.

He could have taken a bit of time to research the matter instead of spreading knee-jerk fears on Twitter.

dv said:

SO DID JOE BIDEN…THE BASTARD!

And he had the hide to do it on live TV.

That meme was ridiculous.

Vultures…

NSW Police have been branded “cruel” after fining people $349 for using their phones while they waited for hours at a Sydney testing clinic.

sibeen said:

dv said:

SO DID JOE BIDEN…THE BASTARD!

And he had the hide to do it on live TV.

That meme was ridiculous.

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

furious said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

SO DID JOE BIDEN…THE BASTARD!

And he had the hide to do it on live TV.

That meme was ridiculous.

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

We need to bring back Elvis.

Divine Angel said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

SO DID JOE BIDEN…THE BASTARD!

And he had the hide to do it on live TV.

That meme was ridiculous.

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

We need to bring back Elvis.

What an arsehole.

Divine Angel said:

furious said:

sibeen said:

SO DID JOE BIDEN…THE BASTARD!

And he had the hide to do it on live TV.

That meme was ridiculous.

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

We need to bring back Elvis.

You propose distributing vaccines via water bomber?

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

furious said:

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

We need to bring back Elvis.

What an arsehole.

I was agreeing with you…

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

furious said:

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

We need to bring back Elvis.

What an arsehole.

What’s so objectionable?

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

furious said:

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

We need to bring back Elvis.

You propose distributing vaccines via water bomber?

furious said:

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

We need to bring back Elvis.

What an arsehole.

I was agreeing with you…

Yeah, I know that. I was talking about Graham being such an arsehole, as shown in the tweet.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

We need to bring back Elvis.

What an arsehole.

What’s so objectionable?

IS EVERYONES SARCASM DETECTOR ON THE BLOODY FRITZ?

furious said:

Divine Angel said:

furious said:

Yeah, I thought the whole point of “leaders” getting it was to show the general public that it was safe. Although, there is no way to prove they got the actual vaccine…

We need to bring back Elvis.

You propose distributing vaccines via water bomber?

Cloud seeding nanotechnology using chemtrails to vaccinate the sheeple *taps nose

sibeen said:

BLOODY FRITZ?

Cross between devon & black pudding, haven’t encountered that before.

furious said:

Vultures…

NSW Police have been branded “cruel” after fining people $349 for using their phones while they waited for hours at a Sydney testing clinic.

read that, I can’t have an opinion, I don’t know if the drivers fined were courteous to the police, or maybe exhibited discomforting attitude, anyway police should be giving advise that the keys should be out of the ignition, or engine similarly disabled, if that’s legal, I mean there’s no question ramped up testing is part of an emergency, and being stuck in a line in a car for an uncertain period, waiting, that’s part of the emergency

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

What an arsehole.

What’s so objectionable?

IS EVERYONES SARCASM DETECTOR ON THE BLOODY FRITZ?

SAYS THE BLOKE WHO BLOODY BROKE THEM ALL.

Euromomo is interesting. Analysis of excess deaths in Europe.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

buffy said:

Euromomo is interesting. Analysis of excess deaths in Europe.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Be careful, and read the y axis gradations when looking at the age group graphs.

buffy said:

buffy said:

Euromomo is interesting. Analysis of excess deaths in Europe.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Be careful, and read the y axis gradations when looking at the age group graphs.

Actually, that applies to all y axis notations on that page.

And if anyone is interested, the Australian Provisional Mortality Statistics were updated yesterday, for 1 January to 27 October. Interesting that ischaemic heart disease and cerebrovascular disease deaths have been puddling along just under the 5 year levels. This is probably good, considering there were fears people would not or could not seek care during shutdowns. Unsurprising that respiratory disease, chronic lower respiratory disease, ‘flu and pneumonia deaths are down – they’ve been kind of carefully watched this year and people have been better at hand washing. It seems cancer, diabetes and dementia deaths are a bit up and down but broadly “as usual” compared to the 5 year averages.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-oct-2020

18655 covid-19 deaths in the US in the last week. In a typical week in the USA (prior to covid-19), 50000 people would die from all causes. Covid-19 is clearly the single major COD in the USA at the moment.

1.53 million new cases in the USA in the last week. This appears to be plateauing: I’ll let SCIENCE tell us whether or not this is likely to be due to a testing bottleneck.

Worldwide, 79947 deaths and 4.49 million new cases this week.

dv said:

18655 covid-19 deaths in the US in the last week. In a typical week in the USA (prior to covid-19), 50000 people would die from all causes. Covid-19 is clearly the single major COD in the USA at the moment.

1.53 million new cases in the USA in the last week. This appears to be plateauing: I’ll let SCIENCE tell us whether or not this is likely to be due to a testing bottleneck.

Worldwide, 79947 deaths and 4.49 million new cases this week.

Not stopping anytime soon is it

Cymek said:

dv said:

18655 covid-19 deaths in the US in the last week. In a typical week in the USA (prior to covid-19), 50000 people would die from all causes. Covid-19 is clearly the single major COD in the USA at the moment.

1.53 million new cases in the USA in the last week. This appears to be plateauing: I’ll let SCIENCE tell us whether or not this is likely to be due to a testing bottleneck.

Worldwide, 79947 deaths and 4.49 million new cases this week.

Not stopping anytime soon is it

Worldwide 1.7 million dead. It looks like my prediction made 2 months ago of a maximum of 1.8 million is going to be exceeded.
In the early days (peak of first wave) my prediction was a maximum of 1 million, but back then I expected the vaccine to be available much earlier.

Looking through the major hotspots, it appears Belgium has it more or less under control again. Italy is past the worst, ditto Spain. Things are rapidly getting worse in the UK and they are in the midst of a third wave that is worse than the previous two.

On a deaths per capita per day mark some of the worst places right now are in the Former Yugoslav republics. Montenegro, Slovenia, B&H, North Macedonia.

mollwollfumble said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

18655 covid-19 deaths in the US in the last week. In a typical week in the USA (prior to covid-19), 50000 people would die from all causes. Covid-19 is clearly the single major COD in the USA at the moment.

1.53 million new cases in the USA in the last week. This appears to be plateauing: I’ll let SCIENCE tell us whether or not this is likely to be due to a testing bottleneck.

Worldwide, 79947 deaths and 4.49 million new cases this week.

Not stopping anytime soon is it

Worldwide 1.7 million dead. It looks like my prediction made 2 months ago of a maximum of 1.8 million is going to be exceeded.
In the early days (peak of first wave) my prediction was a maximum of 1 million, but back then I expected the vaccine to be available much earlier.

Damn, why would you have thought that? It’s arrived earlier than expected generally.
Roll out is going to be slow, though, and the global death rate is still continuing. There could easily be 5 million deaths before the course is run.

dv said:

Looking through the major hotspots, it appears Belgium has it more or less under control again. Italy is past the worst, ditto Spain. Things are rapidly getting worse in the UK and they are in the midst of a third wave that is worse than the previous two.

On a deaths per capita per day mark some of the worst places right now are in the Former Yugoslav republics. Montenegro, Slovenia, B&H, North Macedonia.

Germany’s doing it’s bit as well.

WA for the win with Corona

Cymek said:

WA for the win with Corona

Meanwhile…

She was tested on December 20. Her mother’s initial test came back negative.

“All close contacts of the family have been interviewed and the Department of Health is following up with any secondary close contacts,” Mr Foley said.

“Rapid response testing for all of those close contacts is underway.

“All close contacts will be compulsorily quarantining for 14 days and will retest on day 11.

“Given the family were isolating at home, at this point, there are no known exposure sites in Victoria.”

—

BOOM

we mean

easy

“We’ll make an announcement tomorrow on what the future of the situation on the northern beaches, Greater Sydney, will be.”

She said “big picture” aspects such as mental health would be factored into their decision making.

If it was not the holiday season, she said, the path forward would be clearer.

—

That’s right, why don’t these viruses show some respect, you know, some deference to our religion and God and all that shit. Like, excuse us, virus, don’t you know we have Holidays, can you just ease up a bit please? It’s so inconvenient.

SCIENCE said:

“We’ll make an announcement tomorrow on what the future of the situation on the northern beaches, Greater Sydney, will be.”

She said “big picture” aspects such as mental health would be factored into their decision making.

If it was not the holiday season, she said, the path forward would be clearer.

—

That’s right, why don’t these viruses show some respect, you know, some deference to our religion and God and all that shit. Like, excuse us, virus, don’t you know we have Holidays, can you just ease up a bit please? It’s so inconvenient.

You had much rain down your way Science?

SCIENCE said:

“We’ll make an announcement tomorrow on what the future of the situation on the northern beaches, Greater Sydney, will be.”

She said “big picture” aspects such as mental health would be factored into their decision making.

If it was not the holiday season, she said, the path forward would be clearer.

—

That’s right, why don’t these viruses show some respect, you know, some deference to our religion and God and all that shit. Like, excuse us, virus, don’t you know we have Holidays, can you just ease up a bit please? It’s so inconvenient.

(Don’t anyone dare mention the holiday-season economy…)

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

“We’ll make an announcement tomorrow on what the future of the situation on the northern beaches, Greater Sydney, will be.”

She said “big picture” aspects such as mental health would be factored into their decision making.

If it was not the holiday season, she said, the path forward would be clearer.

—

That’s right, why don’t these viruses show some respect, you know, some deference to our religion and God and all that shit. Like, excuse us, virus, don’t you know we have Holidays, can you just ease up a bit please? It’s so inconvenient.

(Don’t anyone dare mention the holiday-season economy…)

dv said:

18655 covid-19 deaths in the US in the last week. In a typical week in the USA (prior to covid-19), 50000 people would die from all causes. Covid-19 is clearly the single major COD in the USA at the moment.

1.53 million new cases in the USA in the last week. This appears to be plateauing: I’ll let SCIENCE tell us whether or not this is likely to be due to a testing bottleneck.

Worldwide, 79947 deaths and 4.49 million new cases this week.

thanks

hard to say this late in the game but they do have some fair numbers to get a feel for this

certainly the positive rate is also flattening out (but at 10%, WTF) so we would suspect not as narrow a neck as before

of course a first derivative plateau is still a big fkup but at least they can give thanks that the explosion doesn’t seem as violent as it might be

(but yes, hard to say)

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/usa
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity

it’s kind of astounding how they go for 5% like some magic number that will fix the whole party …

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

18655 covid-19 deaths in the US in the last week. In a typical week in the USA (prior to covid-19), 50000 people would die from all causes. Covid-19 is clearly the single major COD in the USA at the moment.

1.53 million new cases in the USA in the last week. This appears to be plateauing: I’ll let SCIENCE tell us whether or not this is likely to be due to a testing bottleneck.

Worldwide, 79947 deaths and 4.49 million new cases this week.

thanks

hard to say this late in the game but they do have some fair numbers to get a feel for this

certainly the positive rate is also flattening out (but at 10%, WTF) so we would suspect not as narrow a neck as before

—

it’s kind of astounding how they go for 5% like some magic number that will fix the whole party …

… we mean, by contrast, here’s the NSW percentage positive in returned travellers

and we’d be concerned if per-test positive rate were much above 0.1% but then we also do test about 50 times more per population than the USSAoles

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/clover-moore-says-new-year-s-eve-fireworks-should-not-go-ahead-unless-it-s-safe-20201221-p56pci.html

Inner West mayor Darcy Byrne has expressed concerns about crowds gathering at vantage points outside the “yellow” zone in Balmain and Birchgrove, even though the council will shut its waterfront parks to deter crowds.

“It just seems like such an obvious health risk. Say 5000 people show up – there’ll be no barriers in place, no COVID-safe marshalls and no QR codes so there will be no contact tracing capability,” Cr Byrne said.

—

probably if 5000 dudes rock up on the same little patch of turf, and at least one of them is infectious, you won’t be needing to QR contact trace, you’ll be needing to shut down the entire city if you haven’t already

SCIENCE said:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/clover-moore-says-new-year-s-eve-fireworks-should-not-go-ahead-unless-it-s-safe-20201221-p56pci.html

Inner West mayor Darcy Byrne has expressed concerns about crowds gathering at vantage points outside the “yellow” zone in Balmain and Birchgrove, even though the council will shut its waterfront parks to deter crowds.

“It just seems like such an obvious health risk. Say 5000 people show up – there’ll be no barriers in place, no COVID-safe marshalls and no QR codes so there will be no contact tracing capability,” Cr Byrne said.

—

probably if 5000 dudes rock up on the same little patch of turf, and at least one of them is infectious, you won’t be needing to QR contact trace, you’ll be needing to shut down the entire city if you haven’t already

SCIENCE said:

Professor Raina MacIntyre (MBBS Hons 1, FRACP, FAFPHM, M App Epid, PhD) is NHMRC Principal Research Fellow and Professor of Global Biosecurity. She heads the Biosecurity Program at the Kirby Institute, which conducts research in epidemiology, vaccinology, bioterrorism prevention, mathematical modelling, genetic epidemiology, public health and clinical trials in infectious diseases.

Probably nothing worth reading here then.

https://iser.med.unsw.edu.au/blog/covid-19-sydney-timing-infectiousness-and-why-new-years-eve-may-be-mother-all-super-spreading

*SMH*

https://www.smh.com.au/national/yule-be-sorry-why-sydney-is-facing-a-super-spreading-disaster-20201220-p56p0r.html

checks powder
Yep, nice and dry.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/a-company-made-disposable-gloves-for-the-world-now-its-workers-have-the-virus-20201221-p56pco.html

Don’t worry, if you thought Australia treats its migrants badly, damn, these ASIANS…

Day after day, as the pandemic gathered force, Yam Narayan Chaudhary stood sentry for 13 1/2-hour shifts at Top Glove, the Malaysian company that is the world’s largest disposable glove-maker. Thousands of foreign workers, many from Nepal like Chaudhary, lined up as he checked their temperatures and waved them through to the factory. Manufacturers in Malaysia have provided essential products during the pandemic, supplying about 60 per cent of the world’s disposable gloves. But these companies’ reliance on low-paid migrants labouring without proper protection means that the virus’ victims often come from their own ranks.

In Singapore, which neighbours Malaysia, almost half of the city-state’s low-wage migrant workers living in high-density dormitories have been infected with the coronavirus, the government announced last week. While there have been few deaths from the virus in Singapore, nearly 153,000 foreign labourers contracted it, compared with fewer than 4000 cases in the rest of the population, an indicator of how quickly the disease spreads in crowded quarters.

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If only Sweden had learnt from their example, that’s how you do flock immunity, it’s not “lock up the people you pretend to protect and let the young healthier ones run about”, it’s “lock up the young ones you want to experiment on and let them get fkd”.

If only CHINA wasn’t lying about its numbers we’d see that’s what they did with their northwesterners as well yeah.

Peak Warming Man said:

checks powder
Yep, nice and dry.

It’s CHINA’s Fault They Invented It

“Elixir Of Life” LOL

Another Huge Surprise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-12-22/twitter-hashtags-dan-andrews-covid-19-victoria-restrictions/13006404

#IStandWithDan vs #DictatorDan: how fringe accounts gamed Twitter during Melbourne’s lockdown

Research shows hyper-partisan core of Twitter accounts drove pro- and anti-Dan Andrews hashtags during Melbourne’s lockdown

Half of the top 50 Twitter accounts for anti-Andrews hashtags were fabricated or anonymous profiles

A “vicious feedback loop” saw television and newspaper commentators pointing to trending hashtags as evidence of what ordinary Melburnians were thinking. This then encouraged and appeared to vindicate the accounts pushing the hashtags.

“History could have played out differently for Melbourne,” Dr Graham said.

Dr Graham said it was not clear if any central organisation or individual had organised the accounts promoting the hashtags. But he noted that the narrative of an authoritarian and untruthful premier aligned with the “co-ordinated anti-Andrews campaign” in News Corp papers and on Sky News. “Based on what we can see, this strong narrative alignment is not happening by chance,” he said.

“It’s almost a game played by people to get certain hashtags trending on a certain day,” he said.

In the US, disinformation scholars called on Twitter to hide its trending feature in the run-up to the November 3 US election, arguing that trends could serve as a vehicle for disinformation.

>>NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says infections slipping through the cracks of hotel quarantine are “inevitable”, after a case linked to the scheme was confirmed today.<<

That can’t be right.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-22/nsw-hotel-quarantine-cases-inevitable-as-third-emerges/13007030

Do we think covid will be a distant memory by the end of 2021 or just opening a door to the next chapter?

monkey skipper said:

Do we think covid will be a distant memory by the end of 2021 or just opening a door to the next chapter?

Not a distant memory. The world will be different after Covid.

I think by the end of 2021 the vaccines will have been doing their job and we’ll be less restricted in our daily lives than we are now. But I don’t think that we’ll just go back to like it was in 2019.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

Do we think covid will be a distant memory by the end of 2021 or just opening a door to the next chapter?

Not a distant memory. The world will be different after Covid.

I think by the end of 2021 the vaccines will have been doing their job and we’ll be less restricted in our daily lives than we are now. But I don’t think that we’ll just go back to like it was in 2019.

Yeah, there’ll always be some boofhead out there who’s willing to lick the floor of a disco.

monkey skipper said:

Do we think covid will be a distant memory by the end of 2021 or just opening a door to the next chapter?

I’m hoping that it will be more or less under control by the end of 2021 but more realistically it will still be a serious issue at that stage.

End 2022 maybe.

people are hoarding toilet paper again apparently.

monkey skipper said:

people are hoarding toilet paper again apparently.

The British?

Witty Rejoinder said:

monkey skipper said:

people are hoarding toilet paper again apparently.

The British?

In Sydney maybe. The hoarding phenomena was apparently quite big in Australia.

monkey skipper said:

people are hoarding toilet paper again apparently.

I’m just about to run out from my last bulk purchase.

The bill that includes the coronavirus relief package also has a provision that makes illegal streaming a felony

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-in-government-funding-deal-approved-with-stimulus-bill-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

The House approved a $US900 billion COVID-19 stimulus package that was combined with a $US1.4 trillion government funding deal on Monday.
Among the provisions in the more than 5,000-page package is a stipulation that would make illegal streaming a felony.
The omnibus package also gives Israel and Jordan $US500 million each. It also includes funding for the southern border wall, broadband, and an increase in money for the military.
The bill is now headed to President Trump for final approval.

monkey skipper said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

monkey skipper said:

people are hoarding toilet paper again apparently.

The British?

In Sydney maybe. The hoarding phenomena was apparently quite big in Australia.

SCIENCE said:

monkey skipper said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The British?

In Sydney maybe. The hoarding phenomena was apparently quite big in Australia.

I can’t believe Japanese people are fucking in Australian stores like that

buffy said:

>>NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says infections slipping through the cracks of hotel quarantine are “inevitable”, after a case linked to the scheme was confirmed today.<<

That can’t be right.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-22/nsw-hotel-quarantine-cases-inevitable-as-third-emerges/13007030

sure it can, how can you live with the virus if you prevent it from getting out into the community

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

monkey skipper said:

In Sydney maybe. The hoarding phenomena was apparently quite big in Australia.

I can’t believe Japanese people are fucking in Australian stores like that

I’ve got no idea what you’re talking about and anyway you cant prove it.

tell us what you really think

A funny.

Furious drivers who were fined $349 for looking at their phones during a six-hour wait at a Bondi Covid testing clinic WON’T need to pay, cops say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9077643/Drivers-fined-349-using-phones-Bondi-covid-testing-clinic-WONT-need-pay-cops-say.html

dv said:

Furious drivers who were fined $349 for looking at their phones during a six-hour wait at a Bondi Covid testing clinic WON’T need to pay, cops say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9077643/Drivers-fined-349-using-phones-Bondi-covid-testing-clinic-WONT-need-pay-cops-say.html

Well how are they going to pay for all the gold in that standard now, sheesh, the impertinence of these Welsh characters.

and

what about the demerit points then or is it both

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Furious drivers who were fined $349 for looking at their phones during a six-hour wait at a Bondi Covid testing clinic WON’T need to pay, cops say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9077643/Drivers-fined-349-using-phones-Bondi-covid-testing-clinic-WONT-need-pay-cops-say.html

Well how are they going to pay for all the gold in that standard now, sheesh, the impertinence of these Welsh characters.

and

what about the demerit points then or is it both

They’ve waived the charges, except for two that they got for other things as well.

Regardless, I find it disappointing that the police thought it was acceptable practice in the first place.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Furious drivers who were fined $349 for looking at their phones during a six-hour wait at a Bondi Covid testing clinic WON’T need to pay, cops say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9077643/Drivers-fined-349-using-phones-Bondi-covid-testing-clinic-WONT-need-pay-cops-say.html

Well how are they going to pay for all the gold in that standard now, sheesh, the impertinence of these Welsh characters.

and

what about the demerit points then or is it both

They’ve waived the charges, except for two that they got for other things as well.

Regardless, I find it disappointing that the police thought it was acceptable practice in the first place.

Grade one dickheadery.

sibeen said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Well how are they going to pay for all the gold in that standard now, sheesh, the impertinence of these Welsh characters.

and

what about the demerit points then or is it both

They’ve waived the charges, except for two that they got for other things as well.

Regardless, I find it disappointing that the police thought it was acceptable practice in the first place.

Grade one dickheadery.

Misuse of authority undermines it. All they’ve achieved is to make themselves look like idiots.

I see the Vic Police released their crime stats to end of September today: 36,000 Covid related infringements.

or our way of assessing COVID-19 risk, incredibly simple

if you can smell the other person’s halitosis, then you can catch their COVID-19

example in car with windows up, smell present, danger high

example out in the open, even with light to no breeze, no smell, danger low

example with surgical mask on, minimal smell, danger mostly low

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-22/coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-antarctica/13007596
Antarctica can no longer lay claim to being the only continent free of coronavirus after 36 Chileans reportedly tested positive for COVID-19.

SCIENCE said:

or our way of assessing COVID-19 risk, incredibly simple

if you can smell the other person’s halitosis, then you can catch their COVID-19

example in car with windows up, smell present, danger high

example out in the open, even with light to no breeze, no smell, danger low

example with surgical mask on, minimal smell, danger mostly low

Avoid Christmas Eve shopping, anywhere.

SCIENCE said:

or our way of assessing COVID-19 risk, incredibly simple

if you can smell the other person’s halitosis, then you can catch their COVID-19

example in car with windows up, smell present, danger high

example out in the open, even with light to no breeze, no smell, danger low

example with surgical mask on, minimal smell, danger mostly low

Many medical doctors have never heard of Brownian motion? I mean I’m the worst chemistry numpty there is and I would have been taught this in from 1 (grade 7).

proof that the UK are really just ASIANS and have plenty of faeces faces to speak save
(and really, what better way to save your face than to put a damn mask on)

context: for most of the year, Dr Zoë Hyde has held the opinion that the role of children in spreading COVID-19 has been understated
https://globalnews.ca/news/7084381/coronavirus-sickkids-guidance-schools-reopening-critics/
https://theconversation.com/children-might-play-a-bigger-role-in-covid-transmission-than-first-thought-schools-must-prepare-144947

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

or our way of assessing COVID-19 risk, incredibly simple

if you can smell the other person’s halitosis, then you can catch their COVID-19

example in car with windows up, smell present, danger high

example out in the open, even with light to no breeze, no smell, danger low

example with surgical mask on, minimal smell, danger mostly low

Avoid Christmas Eve shopping, anywhere.

surely the fetor of recently imbibing ethanol is worse after Christmas, or indeed even more so on New Year’s Day

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

or our way of assessing COVID-19 risk, incredibly simple

if you can smell the other person’s halitosis, then you can catch their COVID-19

example in car with windows up, smell present, danger high

example out in the open, even with light to no breeze, no smell, danger low

example with surgical mask on, minimal smell, danger mostly low

Many medical doctors have never heard of Brownian motion? I mean I’m the worst chemistry numpty there is and I would have been taught this in from 1 (grade 7).

^

SCIENCE said:

and have plenty of faeces

Is that why she caught diaeresis?

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

or our way of assessing COVID-19 risk, incredibly simple

if you can smell the other person’s halitosis, then you can catch their COVID-19

example in car with windows up, smell present, danger high

example out in the open, even with light to no breeze, no smell, danger low

example with surgical mask on, minimal smell, danger mostly low

Avoid Christmas Eve shopping, anywhere.

surely the fetor of recently imbibing ethanol is worse after Christmas, or indeed even more so on New Year’s Day

It’s the crowds. Try to avoid them.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

and have plenty of faeces

Is that why she caught diaeresis?

sorry we’d rather these things leave the vowel formed

Australian study finds COVID-19 ‘long haulers’ suffer symptoms months after coronavirus infection

By national medical reporter Sophie Scott and the specialist reporting team’s Alison Branley and Lucy Kent

Ben Barnett still wakes up gasping for breath, months after he tested positive for COVID-19.(ABC News: Patrick Stone)

For 39-year-old Ben Barnett, recovering from COVID-19 has been like having an “overweight baby constantly sitting on my chest”.

Key points:
The first Australian study looking at the long term impacts COVID-19 has published interim results
It found 40 per cent of people had persistent symptoms two months after infection

The most common lingering symptoms were fatigue, shortness of breath, coughing and tightness in the chest
The Melbourne man is among a growing number of COVID patients in Australia and overseas, who are still struggling with symptoms of the illness months after the infection has passed.

“I do find it hard to get a comfortable night’s sleep. You wake up gasping for breath,” he said.

“I also have a constant feeling of almost constriction in my throat, almost as if someone’s lightly got their hands around my neck.”

Now the first Australian study of patients like Mr Barnett has found up to 40 per cent of them will experience persistent symptoms after SARS-CoV-2 infection including fatigue, breathlessness and chest pain.

Researchers at Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital followed 78 patients from April 2020, including nine who were hospitalised.

monkey skipper said:

Australian study finds COVID-19 ‘long haulers’ suffer symptoms months after coronavirus infection

By national medical reporter Sophie Scott and the specialist reporting team’s Alison Branley and Lucy Kent

Ben Barnett still wakes up gasping for breath, months after he tested positive for COVID-19.(ABC News: Patrick Stone)

For 39-year-old Ben Barnett, recovering from COVID-19 has been like having an “overweight baby constantly sitting on my chest”.

Key points:
The first Australian study looking at the long term impacts COVID-19 has published interim results
It found 40 per cent of people had persistent symptoms two months after infection

The most common lingering symptoms were fatigue, shortness of breath, coughing and tightness in the chest
The Melbourne man is among a growing number of COVID patients in Australia and overseas, who are still struggling with symptoms of the illness months after the infection has passed.

“I do find it hard to get a comfortable night’s sleep. You wake up gasping for breath,” he said.

“I also have a constant feeling of almost constriction in my throat, almost as if someone’s lightly got their hands around my neck.”

Now the first Australian study of patients like Mr Barnett has found up to 40 per cent of them will experience persistent symptoms after SARS-CoV-2 infection including fatigue, breathlessness and chest pain.

Researchers at Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital followed 78 patients from April 2020, including nine who were hospitalised.

Pneumonia can scar the lungs, is this what’s happening to long-term Covid patients too?

Hey poik… you’re on alert. Orange shopping centre’s on the list.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-22/nsw-list-of-coronavirus-exposure-sites-tuesday-december-22/13006994

Divine Angel said:

monkey skipper said:

Australian study finds COVID-19 ‘long haulers’ suffer symptoms months after coronavirus infection

By national medical reporter Sophie Scott and the specialist reporting team’s Alison Branley and Lucy Kent

Ben Barnett still wakes up gasping for breath, months after he tested positive for COVID-19.(ABC News: Patrick Stone)

For 39-year-old Ben Barnett, recovering from COVID-19 has been like having an “overweight baby constantly sitting on my chest”.

Key points:
The first Australian study looking at the long term impacts COVID-19 has published interim results
It found 40 per cent of people had persistent symptoms two months after infection

The most common lingering symptoms were fatigue, shortness of breath, coughing and tightness in the chest
The Melbourne man is among a growing number of COVID patients in Australia and overseas, who are still struggling with symptoms of the illness months after the infection has passed.

“I do find it hard to get a comfortable night’s sleep. You wake up gasping for breath,” he said.

“I also have a constant feeling of almost constriction in my throat, almost as if someone’s lightly got their hands around my neck.”

Now the first Australian study of patients like Mr Barnett has found up to 40 per cent of them will experience persistent symptoms after SARS-CoV-2 infection including fatigue, breathlessness and chest pain.

Researchers at Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital followed 78 patients from April 2020, including nine who were hospitalised.

Pneumonia can scar the lungs, is this what’s happening to long-term Covid patients too?

My guess is yes in that their lungs are damaged. They should be medicating them like asthmatics after the fact with steroids to open up the lungs to improve symptons…this could lead to heart issues as well

Divine Angel said:

Hey poik… you’re on alert. Orange shopping centre’s on the list.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-22/nsw-list-of-coronavirus-exposure-sites-tuesday-december-22/13006994

Luckily the centre was pretty much closed, except coles which isn’t on the level they went into.

COVID-19 & cardiovascular disease
Information and resources for health care professionals.
People with CVD are at higher risk of the most severe COVID-19 complications
People with CVD are more susceptible to severe complications if infected with COVID-19, including intensive care admission and death. Emerging data suggests that people with CVD may have a five-fold higher case fatality rate compared to the overall COVID-19 infected population1.

While it’s largely a respiratory disease, COVID-19 can also damage the heart and worsen existing heart conditions. For those infected with COVID-19, acute cardiac injury can manifest as left ventricular dysfunction, heart failure, ventricular arrhythmias and ECG changes1.

Stay connected with your patients living with CVD, now more than ever
The COVID-19 pandemic has created an unprecedented global impact on public health and health care delivery. Outside of direct health consequences, social distancing restrictions have also disrupted the delivery of routine health care across the country.

The changes have fast-tracked digital and health policy innovations unlike any the primary care sector has seen over such a short period of time. However, there is growing concern that people with chronic diseases are avoiding their regular medical visits, investigations or vaccinations in a bid to avoid contracting COVID-19.

Encourage your patients to continue their current treatment and management plans
Utilise new telehealth MBS items to keep connected with your patients while they are in isolation, but face to face visits may still be necessary
Continue to offer your eligible patients chronic disease management plans which are now covered by telehealth MBS items and can be claimed by GPs and contributed to by practice nurses
Make the most of new special arrangements which allow for prescriptions to be sent to pharmacies via fax, email or text message where necessary
Encourage eligible patients, including those living with CVD, to have their medicines delivered to their homes under the new Home Medicines Service where appropriate
Don’t discontinue ACE inhibitor or ARB therapy
There have been early concerns about the safety and value of angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitors (ACE-I) and angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic. This was speculated because the SARS-CoV-2 virus enters cells by binding to human angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2)1. There is insufficient clinical evidence that ACE-I, ARBs or other inhibitors of the renin angiotensin system are either harmful or beneficial to COVID-19 infection or its complications2.

Prioritise influenza vaccination for your patients living with CVD
People with CVD are at increased risk of hospitalisation or death associated with influenza infection. Influenza vaccination can reduce risk of myocardial infarction by between 15 – 45%, which is on par with or better than many established preventative therapies including statins, antihypertensives and smoking cessation3.

Resources
For Health Professionals
Australian consensus statement on cardiovascular disease and COVID-19 by the Cardiac Society of Australia/New Zealand (CSANZ), Australian/NZ Society of Cardiac and Thoracic Surgeons (ANZSCTS), National Heart Foundation (NHF) and the High Blood Pressure Research Council of Australia (HBPRCA)
Cardiac Society of Australia/New Zealand (CSANZ) position statements on COVID-19
Medical Journal of Australia editorial on COVID, ACE inhibitors/ARBs, and cardiovascular diseases
COVID-19 Temporary MBS Telehealth Services
COVID-19 Home Medicines Service
For Consumers
Consumer resource on COVID-19 & CVD
Heart Foundation COVID-19 & CVD consumer web page
For any specific queries please encourge people to call our Helpline for heart health information or support on 13 11 12, Monday – Sunday, 9am – 5pm.

References

1. Cardiovascular disease and COVID-19: Australian/New Zealand consensus statement. Med J Aust. April 2020
2. COVID, ACE inhibitors/ARBs, and cardiovascular diseases. Med J Aust. April 2020
3. Influenza vaccine as a coronary intervention for prevention of myocardial infarction. Heart. September 2016

The U.S. population grew by the smallest rate in at least 120 years from 2019 to 2020, according to figures released Tuesday by the U.S. Census Bureau — a trend that demographers say provides a glimpse of the coronavirus pandemic’s toll.

Population growth in the U.S. already was stagnant over the past several years due to immigration restrictions and a dip in fertility, but coronavirus-related deaths exacerbated that lethargic-growth trend, said William Frey, a senior fellow at The Brooking Institution’s Metropolitan Policy Program.

“I think it’s a first glimpse of where we may be heading as far as low population growth,” Frey said. “It’s telling you that this is having an impact on population.”

The U.S. population grew by 0.35% from July 2019 to July 2020, an increase of 1.1 million people in a nation whose estimated population in July was more than 329 million residents, according to Census Bureau estimates.

An analysis by Frey shows that it’s the smallest increase this century and smaller than any in the last century as well. At the height of the Spanish flu, the growth rate from 1918 to 1919 was 0.49% — even with U.S. troops abroad during World War I.

The estimates released Tuesday were conducted independently of the 2020 census, which is a head count of every U.S. resident. The 2020 census numbers are still being crunched.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-population-growth-smallest-120-years-74862788

dv said:

The U.S. population grew by the smallest rate in at least 120 years from 2019 to 2020, according to figures released Tuesday by the U.S. Census Bureau — a trend that demographers say provides a glimpse of the coronavirus pandemic’s toll.

The U.S. population grew by 0.35% from July 2019 to July 2020, an increase of 1.1 million people in a nation whose estimated population in July was more than 329 million residents, according to Census Bureau estimates.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-population-growth-smallest-120-years-74862788

all good those lefty snowflakes tell us the population is too big and The Economy Can Grow even without more slaves so this is excellent news

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The U.S. population grew by the smallest rate in at least 120 years from 2019 to 2020, according to figures released Tuesday by the U.S. Census Bureau — a trend that demographers say provides a glimpse of the coronavirus pandemic’s toll.

The U.S. population grew by 0.35% from July 2019 to July 2020, an increase of 1.1 million people in a nation whose estimated population in July was more than 329 million residents, according to Census Bureau estimates.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-population-growth-smallest-120-years-74862788

all good those lefty snowflakes tell us the population is too big and The Economy Can Grow even without more slaves so this is excellent news

Well it’s not bad news, but I think a slow population decline by choice would be better news than a continuing increase which is slowing due to increased early deaths.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The U.S. population grew by the smallest rate in at least 120 years from 2019 to 2020, according to figures released Tuesday by the U.S. Census Bureau — a trend that demographers say provides a glimpse of the coronavirus pandemic’s toll.

The U.S. population grew by 0.35% from July 2019 to July 2020, an increase of 1.1 million people in a nation whose estimated population in July was more than 329 million residents, according to Census Bureau estimates.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-population-growth-smallest-120-years-74862788

all good those lefty snowflakes tell us the population is too big and The Economy Can Grow even without more slaves so this is excellent news

Well it’s not bad news, but I think a slow population decline by choice would be better news than a continuing increase which is slowing due to increased early deaths.

fair; if the circles in which we converse are any indication though, that declining by choice probably isn’t too far behind either

Platinum Standard

Victoria’s testing commissioner Jeroen Weimar says all the household contacts of a 15-year-old girl who contracted the virus in NSW have tested negative and all potential secondary contacts have been identified.

“We are confident that we’ve identified all the connections and linkages, we’ve done a series of behind the scenes checks to make sure that everything checks out and we’ve got good support in place for that,” he told ABC Melbourne.

“So we will manage it very actively over the over the days and weeks ahead to make sure it runs its course.”

The number of coronavirus infections linked to Chilean Antarctic bases has increased by almost two thirds to 58, health authorities and the country’s military say, up from 36 reported yesterday.

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/four-leaks-in-three-weeks-whats-going-wrong/13008336

Four leaks in three weeks – what’s going wrong?

Nothing wrong, that’s how gold works.

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/four-leaks-in-three-weeks-whats-going-wrong/13008336

Four leaks in three weeks – what’s going wrong?

Nothing wrong, that’s how gold works.

It is somewhat amazing that it’s so leaky yet still no clusterfuck like Victoria after ‘one’ leak. I mean NSW still has time to go full Victoria, but hasn’t… yet.