Lets start the ball rolling

kryten said:

Lets start the ball rolling

Thank you.

kryten said:

Lets start the ball rolling

A rolling ball gathers momentum.

The chief Poobah’s often say at press conferences that they want everyone to stay positive.

Divine Angel said:

kryten said:

Lets start the ball rolling

A rolling ball gathers momentum.

You Lose Sisyphus ¡

Reached daily peak deaths? Too early to tell yet. Over 10,000 deaths per day is a bleedin awful lot.

Which countries have started vaccination? USA, Russia, UK? What about India, Brazil, France?

Mexico is running second in the world for new deaths.

Question without notice.
Speaker-: I call the right honourable Peak Warming Man.
PWM-: Thanks Mr Speaker, I’d like to know when we are likely to see the effects of the vaccinations?

mollwollfumble said:

Reached daily peak deaths? Too early to tell yet. Over 10,000 deaths per day is a bleedin awful lot.

pfffft mild influenza can do it easy

This is an interesting read (not short)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-covid-science-wars1/

Peak Warming Man said:

Question without notice.
Speaker-: I call the right honourable Peak Warming Man.
PWM-: Thanks Mr Speaker, I’d like to know when we are likely to see the effects of the vaccinations?

as you can see people are out partying in force right now, it’s like masks, give them a bit of protection and they’ll touch faces, spread disease

buffy said:

This is an interesting read (not short)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-covid-science-wars1/

we apologise again

but you know it took Semmelweis like 20 years and insanity so why should we expect anyone to mask up and aeroscrub to infection control SARS-CoV-2 any differently

7 Today, 6 known cases but the other was a young chap that the Covid police dragged out of his house and took away for questioning. After waterboarding he revealed that he was at the Bellrose hotel and that he did have a bit of a fever once.

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Question without notice.
Speaker-: I call the right honourable Peak Warming Man.
PWM-: Thanks Mr Speaker, I’d like to know when we are likely to see the effects of the vaccinations?

as you can see people are out partying in force right now, it’s like masks, give them a bit of protection and they’ll touch faces, spread disease

Assuming the vaccine works and they start with the vulnerable, I would guess you’ll start seeing the statistical result once you get to 10-20% of the population vaccinated. I think it will need more than 50% vaccinated to be obvious, and over 80% to go back to normal.

Peak Warming Man said:

7 Today, 6 known cases but the other was a young chap that the Covid police dragged out of his house and took away for questioning. After waterboarding he revealed that he was at the Bellrose hotel and that he did have a bit of a fever once.

you seem to know a lot about this fellow

Clarification added after publication: the authors have collaborated in the past with both John Ioannidis and Vinay Prasad, who are discussed in this essay and in the accompanying sidebar.

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lol

you were right though an interesting exercise in painting spurious equivalence, and caution as groupthink

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

This is an interesting read (not short)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-covid-science-wars1/

we apologise again

but you know it took Semmelweis like 20 years and insanity so why should we expect anyone to mask up and aeroscrub to infection control SARS-CoV-2 any differently

Yes, but we have the Semmelweis example now. He suffered so that we would know.

Another interesting one. From October though, so things have moved on a little since then.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13423

“Global perspective of COVID‐19 epidemiology for a full‐cycle pandemic”

John P. A. Ioannidis

I’d be insisting that anyone visiting Australia MUST have a raft of vaccinations including the current flu vaccine and CV 19 for all future visitors. By stopping them.walking in with a whole host of diseases it reduces the cost to our health system. Maybe you’d have approved health clinics in each country.

Duh, if you give people cognitive issues then they’ll more readily accept that your strategy was rational, c’m‘on, it’s genius.

SCIENCE said:

Duh, if you give people cognitive issues then they’ll more readily accept that your strategy was rational, c’m‘on, it’s genius.

That’s 20% of those hospitalised, which is about 20% of those infected. So 4% of those who contract Covid end up with “cognitive issues”, which may very well be temporary. (Or may not)

um … they seem to mean 20% of cases all up but anyway even if it’s 1% we guess that’s as bad as a little cold mild ‘flu’

anyway here’s the elsewhere news

top 3 legit’ but look at the rest of them, probably lying again

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Duh, if you give people cognitive issues then they’ll more readily accept that your strategy was rational, c’m‘on, it’s genius.

That’s 20% of those hospitalised, which is about 20% of those infected. So 4% of those who contract Covid end up with “cognitive issues”, which may very well be temporary. (Or may not)

I’ve noticed that Trumps tiny cognitive has developed more serious issues.

SCIENCE said:

Duh, if you give people cognitive issues then they’ll more readily accept that your strategy was rational, c’m‘on, it’s genius.

In fairness though the US herd immunity strategy has resulted in extremely high excess death counts

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Duh, if you give people cognitive issues then they’ll more readily accept that your strategy was rational, c’m‘on, it’s genius.

In fairness though the US herd immunity strategy has resulted in extremely high excess death counts

Be interesting to see what happens in USA over the next few days, as stats catch up with holiday period deaths.

The state’s Chief Medical Officer, Dr Kerry Chant, says the new sewage detections are a timely reminder for people to continue to get tested.

“We have had a detection in the Warriewood, Hornsby Heights and Brooklyn catchments and NSW Health is aware of recently positive cases in these areas but again urges local residents to please get tested,” Dr Chant said.

Peak Warming Man said:

Question without notice.
Speaker-: I call the right honourable Peak Warming Man.
PWM-: Thanks Mr Speaker, I’d like to know when we are likely to see the effects of the vaccinations?

Clearly, it depends on the rate of roll-out. A roll-out rate of a few thousand doses per day would take forever to have an effect. A roll-out rate of a few million doses a day (worldwide) and you’ll see a noticeable reduction in cases within a week, a halving of the number of new cases in 3 weeks.

My understanding is that the roll-out rate will be worldwide about 10 million doses a month, mostly in USA, Europe and Russia.

It also depends on the sequence of roll-out. ie. those most at risk first or random distribution. My roll-out plan is to vaccinate in this order:

• Start with those who routinely handle coronavirus specimens, eg. research, production and testing
• Health workers in Covid wards
• Families and friends of active Covid cases, and those at risk of hospital acquired covid
• People who regularly travel long distances (eg. truckers, air crew)
• People who meet lots of other people (eg. retail trade)
• People who have other high risk factors such as those with cancer, lung problems and hypertension
• People who live in most affected suburbs
• General populace excluding all people who have already recovered from Covid.

The idea of that is to focus the vaccine on those most at risk. By the time you’ve vaccinated 5% of the population of say the USA, you’ve reduced new cases there by 80 to 90%.

On the other hand, if the roll-out is at random then by the time you’ve vaccinated 5% of the population of say the USA, you’ve reduced new cases there by only 5%.

So, as with everything medical, it depends on the intelligence of the medical profession, which I currently have a low opinion of.

Let’s do the calculation.

10 million doses a month shared throughout USA, Europe and Russia, 1,000 million people in all. That’s a 1% coverage in one month. With a smart roll-out that would reduce new cases by 50%. With a stupid roll-out it would reduce new cases by 1%.

So let’s say a 50% reduction in new cases in USA, Europe and Russia in one month. (Being generous with the estimate of the intelligence of medical personnel).

Consider this an IQ test for medical personnel.

From the Area News.

The Griffith-bound flight that was carrying a confirmed case of coronavirus stopped in Narrandera, but the Murrumbidgee Local Health District said they did not do anything wrong.

A Sydney resident travelled on a flight from Sydney to Griffith on December 21 subsequently returned a positive test result for COVID-19 on December 24.

MLHD director of Public Health, Tracey Oakman, said the person flew before they knew they were a close contact of a case and did nothing wrong.

“The flight left Sydney at 2.10pm and arrived in Griffith at 4.20pm,” she said.

“It stopped briefly at Narrandera however no passengers left the plane at that point.

“Twenty-eight passengers and one flight attendant, and members of one household that the person visited after arriving in Griffith, have been identified as close contacts.”

Earlier, the MLHD said after arriving in Griffith the person was contacted by NSW Health to advise that they had been identified as a close contact at a Sydney venue.

They then returned to Sydney by car where they were tested and returned a positive result.

Ms Oakman said all close contacts must get tested and self-isolate immediately, and remain in isolation for 14 days since exposure, even if they receive a negative test result.

People sharing a house with the close contact will also need to self-isolate until the close contact receives their initial test result.

“We thank all of the people identified as close contacts for following the health advice,” she said.

“No other contacts have been identified in the region to date, and all tests completed so far have come back negative.

“Anyone who develops even the mildest of symptoms such as headache, fatigue, cough, sore throat or runny nose, is urged to come forward immediately for testing, then isolate until they receive a negative result.”

NSW Health reminds people that calls from their contact tracing team may come up as ‘No Caller ID’ and encourages people to answer so they can receive the appropriate health advice and any assistance they may need.

Testing continues in Griffith, and across the region, every day over the Christmas and New Year period.

Mayor of northern beaches says community is ‘over it’ as restrictions carry on

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The Mayor of Sydney’s northern beaches says his community of gold flakes is fatigued by the current COVID-19 lockdown which has lasted all of 10% the duration of one applied to all of Victoria, or like for like, closer to 2%.

ah we see captain_spalding beat us to it over there

ABC News:

‘Live: Mayor of northern beaches says community is ‘over it’ as restrictions carry on’

No, stupid, they weren’t over it, which is why you’re in this situation.

^

Rate Of New Cases Decreases By 50%,Gold Standard Premier Shuts Down City In Response

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says New Year’s Eve celebrations are being wound back to “avoid super spreading events” as the state records five locally acquired coronavirus cases.

dv said:

¡ It’s An Opportunity !

Well, fk, and we thought they were blaming immigrants for spreading disease.

Oh wait they were.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/10/sweden-s-anders-tegnell-we-did-not-pursue-herd-immunity-against-covid-19

“The pandemic took off in Sweden in a different way to our neighbouring countries. We had a huge spread in Stockholm early on, which was much more like the spread you saw in London, Amsterdam, Brussels, which in many ways are more similar to Sweden than our Nordic neighbours are. Stockholm and those other cities have big populations from other countries, which is important, because the spread is much bigger and quicker among those populations.”

buffy said:

I see in the news that Mr Norman has now tested positive and is back in hospital.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I see in the news that Mr Norman has now tested positive and is back in hospital.

LOL

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I see in the news that Mr Norman has now tested positive and is back in hospital.

I would suggest that common sense was already lacking in many places.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I see in the news that Mr Norman has now tested positive and is back in hospital.

A good joke, well thought out but unfortunately poorly delivered.
All ruined in the last line, it just needed to say Common.
It could have been something, it could have been contender.

I’m not quite sure how many countries have started vaccinating. But supposedly 27 countries in Europe (starting yesterday, 27 Dec) and at least 12 countries outside Europe. That’s fantastic. Includes the USA (a million doses so far), Mexico, Russia. Seems to exclude Brazil and India, need to keep an eye on them.

Most countries seem to be starting their roll-our with pensioners. Pensioners are not the people who are most likely spread the virus.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/24/vaccine-rollout-which-countries-have-started

Which countries have rolled out COVID vaccine?

Canada. The first COVID-19 patient to be inoculated in Canada was an 89-year-old woman from Quebec who received the Pfizer vaccine on December 14. Moderna now also being rolled out.

Chile. On December 24, Chile became the second Latin American nation after Mexico to start its inoculation programme.

Costa Rica received its first shipment of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses on Wednesday, and the country administered the first shot on December 24.

Croatia. An 81-year-old nursing home resident became the first person on December 27.

Cyprus began rolling out its vaccination programme on December 27.

The Czech Republic. Prime Minister Andrej Babis was the first to get the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at the Central Military Hospital in Prague on December

Denmark also began vaccinating people at care homes on December 27.

European Union’s plans for a coordinated roll-out of the first shots across the 27-nation bloc on December 27.

Finland. Six front-line health workers – three women and three men – were on December 27

France The first vaccines in France were applied to a woman and a doctor, both 78, in Rene-Muret Hospital near the capital Paris on December 26.

Germany. Vaccinations against the coronavirus began in the German state of Saxony-Anhalt on December 26

Greece Efstathia Kambissiouli, head nurse at an intensive care unit, became the first person on December 27 to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine.

Hungary started vaccinating healthcare workers against the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine on December 26.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received a COVID-19 vaccine jab on December 19, kicking off a national roll-out.

Italy The first vaccinations against the coronavirus disease in Italy took place on December 27

Kuwait also began its coronavirus vaccination campaign on December 24.

Malta. A state hospital nurse has become the first person in Malta to receive a COVID-19 vaccine on December 27

Mexico started its mass vaccination programme on December 24

Oman. On December 27, Oman launched its COVID-19 inoculation campaign

Poland. Alicja Jakubowska, head nurse at the Interior Ministry hospital in the capital Warsaw, received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on December 27

Qatar launched a free coronavirus vaccination campaign after the first batch of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine arrived in the Gulf state on December 22.

Romania. Mihaela Anghel, a nurse at the Matei Bals Institute in Bucharest, was the first person to get the vaccine in Romania as the country rolled out the vaccination on December 27.

Russia. The Russian government says it has been inoculating its citizens since September with its Sputnik V vaccine.

Saudi Arabia, the worst-affected country on the Arabian Peninsula with more than 360,000 recorded cases, including 6,148 deaths, began its campaign with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on December 17.

Serbia. The Balkan nation started its vaccine roll-out on December 24.

Slovakia. On December 26

Spain. A 96-year-old living in a care home in central Spain became the first person in the country to be vaccinated against COVID-19 on December 27.

Switzerland started its coronavirus vaccine rollout on December 23

United Arab Emirates. The first jabs of the coronavirus vaccine to residents were administered in the UAE capital, Abu Dhabi, on December 14.

United Kingdom. On December 8

United States. On December 8. The Pfizer-BioNTech has been administered to more than a million people since the programme began even as the US authorities have approved a second vaccine made by Moderna.

> Russia. The Russian government says it has been inoculating its citizens since September with its Sputnik V vaccine.

I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. What I heard in November was that it wouldn’t be available in large doses until Dec 4.

mollwollfumble said:

I’m not quite sure how many countries have started vaccinating. But supposedly 27 countries in Europe (starting yesterday, 27 Dec) and at least 12 countries outside Europe. That’s fantastic. Includes the USA (a million doses so far), Mexico, Russia. Seems to exclude Brazil and India, need to keep an eye on them.

Most countries seem to be starting their roll-our with pensioners. Pensioners are not the people who are most likely spread the virus.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/24/vaccine-rollout-which-countries-have-started

Which countries have rolled out COVID vaccine?

Canada. The first COVID-19 patient to be inoculated in Canada was an 89-year-old woman from Quebec who received the Pfizer vaccine on December 14. Moderna now also being rolled out.

Chile. On December 24, Chile became the second Latin American nation after Mexico to start its inoculation programme.

Costa Rica received its first shipment of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses on Wednesday, and the country administered the first shot on December 24.

Croatia. An 81-year-old nursing home resident became the first person on December 27.

Cyprus began rolling out its vaccination programme on December 27.

The Czech Republic. Prime Minister Andrej Babis was the first to get the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at the Central Military Hospital in Prague on December

Denmark also began vaccinating people at care homes on December 27.

European Union’s plans for a coordinated roll-out of the first shots across the 27-nation bloc on December 27.

Finland. Six front-line health workers – three women and three men – were on December 27

France The first vaccines in France were applied to a woman and a doctor, both 78, in Rene-Muret Hospital near the capital Paris on December 26.

Germany. Vaccinations against the coronavirus began in the German state of Saxony-Anhalt on December 26

Greece Efstathia Kambissiouli, head nurse at an intensive care unit, became the first person on December 27 to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine.

Hungary started vaccinating healthcare workers against the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine on December 26.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received a COVID-19 vaccine jab on December 19, kicking off a national roll-out.

Italy The first vaccinations against the coronavirus disease in Italy took place on December 27

Kuwait also began its coronavirus vaccination campaign on December 24.

Malta. A state hospital nurse has become the first person in Malta to receive a COVID-19 vaccine on December 27

Mexico started its mass vaccination programme on December 24

Oman. On December 27, Oman launched its COVID-19 inoculation campaign

Poland. Alicja Jakubowska, head nurse at the Interior Ministry hospital in the capital Warsaw, received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on December 27

Qatar launched a free coronavirus vaccination campaign after the first batch of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine arrived in the Gulf state on December 22.

Romania. Mihaela Anghel, a nurse at the Matei Bals Institute in Bucharest, was the first person to get the vaccine in Romania as the country rolled out the vaccination on December 27.

Russia. The Russian government says it has been inoculating its citizens since September with its Sputnik V vaccine.

Saudi Arabia, the worst-affected country on the Arabian Peninsula with more than 360,000 recorded cases, including 6,148 deaths, began its campaign with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on December 17.

Serbia. The Balkan nation started its vaccine roll-out on December 24.

Slovakia. On December 26

Spain. A 96-year-old living in a care home in central Spain became the first person in the country to be vaccinated against COVID-19 on December 27.

Switzerland started its coronavirus vaccine rollout on December 23

United Arab Emirates. The first jabs of the coronavirus vaccine to residents were administered in the UAE capital, Abu Dhabi, on December 14.

United Kingdom. On December 8

United States. On December 8. The Pfizer-BioNTech has been administered to more than a million people since the programme began even as the US authorities have approved a second vaccine made by Moderna.

In the news 5 hours ago. How come China wasn’t on the list above?

mollwollfumble said:

> Russia. The Russian government says it has been inoculating its citizens since September with its Sputnik V vaccine.

I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. What I heard in November was that it wouldn’t be available in large doses until Dec 4.

Those two claims are not mutually exclusive.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I see in the news that Mr Norman has now tested positive and is back in hospital.

A good joke, well thought out but unfortunately poorly delivered.
All ruined in the last line, it just needed to say Common.
It could have been something, it could have been contender.

sorry we do apologise
and blame BILL GATES AND MICROSOFT for making it too easy to copy paste
and resolve to do better next time

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Russia. The Russian government says it has been inoculating its citizens since September with its Sputnik V vaccine.

I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. What I heard in November was that it wouldn’t be available in large doses until Dec 4.

Those two claims are not mutually exclusive.

No, but the vaccine has been used in Russia since April. It was approved in September but wasn’t rolled out then because it was awaiting manufacture.

From 3 days ago.

“Turkey had agreed to buy 50 million doses of Sinovac’s shot and receive delivery by December 11, but the shipment was delayed. Mr Koca said 3 million doses would arrive on Monday (ie. today), adding that Turkey would vaccinate some 9 million people in the first group, starting with health workers. Sinovac has also signed supply deals for its vaccine, called CoronaVac, with countries including Indonesia, Brazil, Chile and Singapore, and is negotiating with the Philippines and Malaysia.”

I still haven’t found out how a million Chinese people have come to be already been vaccinated by a vaccine that hasn’t yet officially been approved.

Travel Health Notices
Updated Dec. 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

SCIENCE said:

Travel Health Notices
Updated Dec. 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

Shit.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

Travel Health Notices
Updated Dec. 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

Shit.

I’m glad to be on a small island on the bottom of the world.

In some better news, Singapore where things seem to be going all right.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/tracetogether-tokens-to-be-distributed-free-to-all-spore-residents-from-sept-14

Something we mentioned early on, for those worried about the privacy / security of opening up your smartphones. Separate device, no surprise.

SCIENCE said:

In some better news,

and now the bad

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/27/hospitals-in-england-told-to-free-up-all-possible-beds-for-surging-covid-cases

Hospitals have been ordered to free up every possible bed for the growing number of Covid patients amid fears of a high death toll from the disease in January.

NHS England warned that the entire health service will have to stay on its highest state of alert until at least the end of March

London ambulance service said Boxing Day had been one of its “busiest ever” days. It said it was now taking up to 8,000 999 calls a day compared to 5,500 on a typical “busy” day.

London’s Royal Free hospital – which is receiving about 12 new Covid inpatients every day – has cancelled all non-emergency surgery until mid-February and restricted staff holidays. It has become “overwhelmed”, one doctor there said. “Every staff group, from porters to surgeons, have had their leave cancelled from 21 December. Only a maximum of a five-day-run, including bank holidays, is permitted from now on.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

In some better news,

and now the bad

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/27/hospitals-in-england-told-to-free-up-all-possible-beds-for-surging-covid-cases

Hospitals have been ordered to free up every possible bed for the growing number of Covid patients amid fears of a high death toll from the disease in January.

NHS England warned that the entire health service will have to stay on its highest state of alert until at least the end of March

London ambulance service said Boxing Day had been one of its “busiest ever” days. It said it was now taking up to 8,000 999 calls a day compared to 5,500 on a typical “busy” day.

London’s Royal Free hospital – which is receiving about 12 new Covid inpatients every day – has cancelled all non-emergency surgery until mid-February and restricted staff holidays. It has become “overwhelmed”, one doctor there said. “Every staff group, from porters to surgeons, have had their leave cancelled from 21 December. Only a maximum of a five-day-run, including bank holidays, is permitted from now on.

it is mostly self-inflicted.

The UK government were advised in September that a second lock-down was necessary to contain an apparent second wave. The government did not commit to it apart from some half-arsed measures like closing pubs at 10pm rather than midnight. They didn’t go the full lock-down till November, but only insisted it would be for 4 weeks, come what may. You can see on the graph that in late November/early December the lockdown starts to work and the rate drops sharply. Then they come out of lock-down into their ineffective new tier system and it shoots straight back up again, and then exceeds even the worst november peak.

How Bozo gets away with this without being pilloried in the popular press I can’t explain. He is an utter failure in this Covid crisis, but the British press still think the sun shines out of his arse. That country and its press have a capacity of self-delusion ever greater than America IMHO. The blokes are fucking killing them, but at least in the USA there are some who are openly critical of the administration.

the British press still think the sun shines out of his arse
=—-

The press is part of the problem.

Or rather who is pulling the strings.

333,140 deaths US

191,139 deaths Brazil

147,901 deaths India

122,426 deaths Mexico

71,925 deaths Italy

70,860 deaths United Kingdom

62,867 deaths France

54,814 deaths Iran

54,559 deaths Russia

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

sarahs mum said:

333,140 deaths US

191,139 deaths Brazil

147,901 deaths India

122,426 deaths Mexico

71,925 deaths Italy

70,860 deaths United Kingdom

62,867 deaths France

54,814 deaths Iran

54,559 deaths Russia

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I don’t get how 333,140 people can die and everyone seems to be shrugging their shoulders.

sarahs mum said:

the British press still think the sun shines out of his arse
=—-

The press is part of the problem.

Or rather who is pulling the strings.

Yes. In the UK I think they are off the rails a bit.

The UK press have always had a reputation for extremes – either really turning nasty and ripping into to somebody, or the opposite and real arse-kissing and hero-worship when it is not really warranted. Or worse still the latter followed by the former after some abrupt shift. They have driven many people to the deaths and hounded and ruined others.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I see in the news that Mr Norman has now tested positive and is back in hospital.

I would suggest that common sense was already lacking in many places.

I’ve always been at a loss as to why it is called common.

SCIENCE said:

Travel Health Notices
Updated Dec. 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

My son’s comment from Norway:

“We are in the midst of an infection surge.
The latest bubble has been Taxi drivers and immigrants living around the poverty line who don’t understand the rules and can’t afford to not work in front line jobs.

Going to be a long dark spring ahead of us”.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Travel Health Notices
Updated Dec. 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

My son’s comment from Norway:

“We are in the midst of an infection surge.
The latest bubble has been Taxi drivers and immigrants living around the poverty line who don’t understand the rules and can’t afford to not work in front line jobs.

Going to be a long dark spring ahead of us”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Travel Health Notices
Updated Dec. 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

My son’s comment from Norway:

“We are in the midst of an infection surge.
The latest bubble has been Taxi drivers and immigrants living around the poverty line who don’t understand the rules and can’t afford to not work in front line jobs.

Going to be a long dark spring ahead of us”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

From that, I looked at this: https://covid19.healthdata.org/norway?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

My son’s comment from Norway:

“We are in the midst of an infection surge.
The latest bubble has been Taxi drivers and immigrants living around the poverty line who don’t understand the rules and can’t afford to not work in front line jobs.

Going to be a long dark spring ahead of us”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

From that, I looked at this: https://covid19.healthdata.org/norway?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

Islands at the top and bottom ends of the world, hey…

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

From that, I looked at this: https://covid19.healthdata.org/norway?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

Islands at the top and bottom ends of the world, hey…

Yes.

Coronavirus death toll triples in Russia after government admits to downplaying COVID-19 outbreak

roughbarked said:

Coronavirus death toll triples in Russia after government admits to downplaying COVID-19 outbreak

That puts them way ahead of the other big countries in deaths/head then.

roughbarked said:

Coronavirus death toll triples in Russia after government admits to downplaying COVID-19 outbreak

I reckon we’ve all been thinking that Russia’s figures were dodgy, right from the start.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Coronavirus death toll triples in Russia after government admits to downplaying COVID-19 outbreak

I reckon we’ve all been thinking that Russia’s figures were dodgy, right from the start.

It comes down to definitions. Not all countries are using the same definitions of cause of death. It probably would be better science if they were.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Coronavirus death toll triples in Russia after government admits to downplaying COVID-19 outbreak

I reckon we’ve all been thinking that Russia’s figures were dodgy, right from the start.

It comes down to definitions. Not all countries are using the same definitions of cause of death. It probably would be better science if they were.

oh c’m‘on surely mollwollfumble is right about this one, and now Russia is just lying about lying about deaths

roughbarked said:

comment from Norway:

“We are in the midst of an infection surge.
The latest bubble has been Taxi drivers and immigrants living around the poverty line who don’t understand the rules and can’t afford to not work in front line jobs.

so it’s about blaming the immigrants again is it

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

I reckon we’ve all been thinking that Russia’s figures were dodgy, right from the start.

It comes down to definitions. Not all countries are using the same definitions of cause of death. It probably would be better science if they were.

oh c’m‘on surely mollwollfumble is right about this one, and now Russia is just lying about lying about deaths

What is the point of lying apart from a few places everyone fucked up badly and has significant numbers of dead and infected, not saving face or anything

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

It comes down to definitions. Not all countries are using the same definitions of cause of death. It probably would be better science if they were.

oh c’m‘on surely mollwollfumble is right about this one, and now Russia is just lying about lying about deaths

What is the point of lying apart from a few places everyone fucked up badly and has significant numbers of dead and infected, not saving face or anything

Honestly, we won’t pretend to know the machinations of the Russians.

However…

• many “scientists” and many more social media commentators / “influencers” have staked their careers / reputations / money on this thing
• escalation of commitment is a thing and for whatever reason seems even more of a thing in recent years
• even if someone can finally accept they might possibly a little bit be wrong, it’s all right if everyone is wrong together

… and all of these will tend to push agents, under any standard, towards hiding truth.

buffy said:

It comes down to definitions. Not all countries are using the same definitions of cause of death. It probably would be better science if they were.

pfft why not start with something simple, it’d be easy to agree on something like the laws of physics surely, maybe some kind of international system of units perhaps

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

oh c’m‘on surely mollwollfumble is right about this one, and now Russia is just lying about lying about deaths

What is the point of lying apart from a few places everyone fucked up badly and has significant numbers of dead and infected, not saving face or anything

Honestly, we won’t pretend to know the machinations of the Russians.

However…

• many “scientists” and many more social media commentators / “influencers” have staked their careers / reputations / money on this thing
• escalation of commitment is a thing and for whatever reason seems even more of a thing in recent years
• even if someone can finally accept they might possibly a little bit be wrong, it’s all right if everyone is wrong together

… and all of these will tend to push agents, under any standard, towards hiding truth.

Perhaps they are so used to lying about everything being great it’s second nature

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Coronavirus death toll triples in Russia after government admits to downplaying COVID-19 outbreak

I reckon we’ve all been thinking that Russia’s figures were dodgy, right from the start.

Nods.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Coronavirus death toll triples in Russia after government admits to downplaying COVID-19 outbreak

I reckon we’ve all been thinking that Russia’s figures were dodgy, right from the start.

Nods.

They were putin us on then

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I reckon we’ve all been thinking that Russia’s figures were dodgy, right from the start.

Nods.

They were putin us on then

Old PooTin up to his same old shitcan attitude.

Queensland records a case of the new South African variant of coronavirus — the first positive case of that kind in Australia. The strain is thought to be a more contagious and has been described by the Chief Health Officer as “very concerning”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-29/coronavirus-queensland-records-first-case-south-african-strain/13010534

ABC News:

‘Three new coronavirus cases linked to northern beaches, other infections in Sydney’s inner west and Wollongong”

Well, i think that we can officially declare that, having had victory over the bug within grasp, NSW has managed to screw the pooch most soundly.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Three new coronavirus cases linked to northern beaches, other infections in Sydney’s inner west and Wollongong”

Well, i think that we can officially declare that, having had victory over the bug within grasp, NSW has managed to screw the pooch most soundly.

But it’s Christmas!

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Three new coronavirus cases linked to northern beaches, other infections in Sydney’s inner west and Wollongong”

Well, i think that we can officially declare that, having had victory over the bug within grasp, NSW has managed to screw the pooch most soundly.

But it’s Christmas!

¡ And It’s Gold Standard !

Fkn Fairfield Political Plays

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Fairfield City cancels New Year’s Eve celebrations due to COVID-19 risk, and rainy weather

From Mayor Frank Carbone:

Today the decision has been made to postpone our Illuminate New Year’s Eve celebration for 2020, due to the ongoing COVID-19 risk in Sydney and the forecast for rainy weather over the next few days.

I know some people will be disappointed by this decision as it has been a hard year and everyone has been looking forward to bringing in 2021 together, but this is the right decision to protect the health and wellbeing of our community.

Council has been closely monitoring the escalating COVID situation in Sydney. The decision was made due to the increasing number of unlinked cases announced in the last few days outside of the Northern Beaches, which potentially means the virus has not been contained.

Today, also the Premier raised her concerns about the unlinked cases circulating in Greater Sydney. While Fairfield Showground and Illuminate have COVID-Safe plans that exceed NSW Health guidelines, and the event could have gone ahead under the current NSW Health guidelines, Council has taken a conservative approach to put the safety and wellbeing of the community first.

One of the reasons Council wanted to host this event was to discourage residents from venturing to the Sydney CBD, which could potentially bring the virus back to Fairfield City.

With this in mind, we recommend our residents still celebrate the New Year with family and friends, but avoid going into the city until we can be assured from NSW Health that it is safe.

We know how hard our community has worked this year to overcome COVID, and we need to put the health and wellbeing of everyone first.

Council will refund everyone’s booking fee and Council will look into rescheduling the event in mid-2021 as a potential celebration of the community being able to come together again. I wish everyone a happy and safe New Year.

SCIENCE said:

Fkn Fairfield Political Plays

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Fairfield City cancels New Year’s Eve celebrations due to COVID-19 risk, and rainy weather

From Mayor Frank Carbone:

Today the decision has been made to postpone our Illuminate New Year’s Eve celebration for 2020, due to the ongoing COVID-19 risk in Sydney and the forecast for rainy weather over the next few days.

The only reason i can think of for illuminating Fairfield is to make it an easier target for the bombers.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Three new coronavirus cases linked to northern beaches, other infections in Sydney’s inner west and Wollongong”

Well, i think that we can officially declare that, having had victory over the bug within grasp, NSW has managed to screw the pooch most soundly.

Well declaring victory would be a case of premature extrapolation, so far in this outbreak in a major city the numbers have peaked at 30, then 17, then 9 then 7 and today 3 with tomorrow being at least 3 with no one being in intensive care or the virus getting into aged care you’d have to say that at first blush it’s at least being well controlled. Lets hope the vaccines are effective.
Even if they are I’ve got a feeling that, like the flu, this thing is going to be with us for a long time and again, like the flue we are going to have to live with a substantial number of world wide deaths per year from this thing.

Quick Australian borders question.

If I drive from Melbourne to Sydney on 4 Jan … will I be able to get back on 22 Jan?
Will the borders be open then?

mollwollfumble said:

Quick Australian borders question.

If I drive from Melbourne to Sydney on 4 Jan … will I be able to get back on 22 Jan?
Will the borders be open then?

I’d normally go and look for you, but my time machine is in for its annual service, so I just don’t know.

mollwollfumble said:

Quick Australian borders question.

If I drive from Melbourne to Sydney on 4 Jan … will I be able to get back on 22 Jan?
Will the borders be open then?

I asked my friend Cassandra and she reckons you’ll be right.

mollwollfumble said:

Quick Australian borders question.

If I drive from Melbourne to Sydney on 4 Jan … will I be able to get back on 22 Jan?
Will the borders be open then?

This is unknowable. Depends on how well NSW contain the outbreak.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Quick Australian borders question.

If I drive from Melbourne to Sydney on 4 Jan … will I be able to get back on 22 Jan?
Will the borders be open then?

This is unknowable. Depends on how well NSW contain the outbreak.

If I were a betting man, I would put money on you not being able to do what you intend.

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Quick Australian borders question.

If I drive from Melbourne to Sydney on 4 Jan … will I be able to get back on 22 Jan?
Will the borders be open then?

This is unknowable. Depends on how well NSW contain the outbreak.

If I were a betting man, I would put money on you not being able to do what you intend.

One of my sisters was supposed to move out of her rental property in Sydney tomorrow, go down to stay with mum in Mallacoota until school starts, and then just before school move into a rental property just up the road in Pambula. She was lucky she was able to get a two week extension on the rental in Sydney, but after that her, her hubby and three school age kids will have nowhere to go if they cannot get across the border.

sibeen said:

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

This is unknowable. Depends on how well NSW contain the outbreak.

If I were a betting man, I would put money on you not being able to do what you intend.

One of my sisters was supposed to move out of her rental property in Sydney tomorrow, go down to stay with mum in Mallacoota until school starts, and then just before school move into a rental property just up the road in Pambula. She was lucky she was able to get a two week extension on the rental in Sydney, but after that her, her hubby and three school age kids will have nowhere to go if they cannot get across the border.

Bit surprised they can’t get temporary accommodation in Pambula. Take the kids camping for a couple of weeks.

Only four in 10 people in France plan to get Covid vaccine
Just four in 10 people in France want to have a vaccination against Covid-19, a poll showed Tuesday, as concern also grows over the slow start to the country’s immunisation campaign.

According to the poll by Ipsos Global Advisor in partnership with the World Economic Forum, just 40% of French people want to have the vaccine.

This puts it behind even other laggards like Russia on 43% and South Africa on 53%, let alone those countries where eagerness to have the vaccine is high such as China on 80% and Britain on 77%.

Fear of side-effects is the reason most often given for not wanting the vaccine, according to the poll.

In the United States, where a mass vaccination campaign has now begun in earnest, 69% of people now want the vaccine, a rise on October.

France began its vaccination campaign on Sunday along with most of the rest of the EU, targeting residents in care homes first, Agence France-Presse reports.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/dec/29/coronavirus-live-news-more-countries-alert-suspected-cases-new-uk-covid-variant?page=with:block-5feb6e998f08d0452b087484#block-5feb6e998f08d0452b087484

The stupid…it’s actually winning.

sibeen said:

Only four in 10 people in France plan to get Covid vaccine
Just four in 10 people in France want to have a vaccination against Covid-19, a poll showed Tuesday, as concern also grows over the slow start to the country’s immunisation campaign.

According to the poll by Ipsos Global Advisor in partnership with the World Economic Forum, just 40% of French people want to have the vaccine.

This puts it behind even other laggards like Russia on 43% and South Africa on 53%, let alone those countries where eagerness to have the vaccine is high such as China on 80% and Britain on 77%.

Fear of side-effects is the reason most often given for not wanting the vaccine, according to the poll.

In the United States, where a mass vaccination campaign has now begun in earnest, 69% of people now want the vaccine, a rise on October.

France began its vaccination campaign on Sunday along with most of the rest of the EU, targeting residents in care homes first, Agence France-Presse reports.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/dec/29/coronavirus-live-news-more-countries-alert-suspected-cases-new-uk-covid-variant?page=with:block-5feb6e998f08d0452b087484#block-5feb6e998f08d0452b087484

The stupid…it’s actually winning.

I think, in the case of France, the strategy should have been to tell them that they are not allowed to have the vaccine. Then they’d be clambering to have it…

Fear of side effects rather than fear of the virus… that’s interesting.

Divine Angel said:

Fear of side effects rather than fear of the virus… that’s interesting.

In my case it’s understandable.
I’ll have the vaccine but I hope it will be given to normal people first.

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Fear of side effects rather than fear of the virus… that’s interesting.

In my case it’s understandable.
I’ll have the vaccine but I hope it will be given to normal people first.

So everyone on this site will be at the back of the queue then.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Fear of side effects rather than fear of the virus… that’s interesting.

In my case it’s understandable.
I’ll have the vaccine but I hope it will be given to normal people first.

So everyone on this site will be at the back of the queue then.

Pretty much. :)

Imagine if Corona is the Earth warning to humans to clean up your act this is what I can do and next time I won’t take it easy

NSW records 18 new COVID-19 cases

Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has 18 new cases of community transmission.

Nine of these were in the Avalon cluster and people were already in isolation.

“ were related to the one case that we mentioned yesterday in the inner west. The health experts are calling it the Croydon cluster. All six are members of the same extended family group.

“And we anticipate because of the nature of that extended family’s movements, that there will be more cases from that cluster.”

sibeen said:

NSW records 18 new COVID-19 cases

Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has 18 new cases of community transmission.

Nine of these were in the Avalon cluster and people were already in isolation.

“ were related to the one case that we mentioned yesterday in the inner west. The health experts are calling it the Croydon cluster. All six are members of the same extended family group.

“And we anticipate because of the nature of that extended family’s movements, that there will be more cases from that cluster.”

They really need to do a severe lockdown.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

NSW records 18 new COVID-19 cases

Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has 18 new cases of community transmission.

Nine of these were in the Avalon cluster and people were already in isolation.

“ were related to the one case that we mentioned yesterday in the inner west. The health experts are calling it the Croydon cluster. All six are members of the same extended family group.

“And we anticipate because of the nature of that extended family’s movements, that there will be more cases from that cluster.”

They really need to do a severe lockdown.

New restrictions for Sydney’s NYE
Just to reiterate, restrictions have now been tightened for parts of NSW.

For New Year’s Eve in Greater Sydney (including Wollongong, Central Coast and Blue Mountains) the following will apply;

Household gatherings will be limited to 5 visitors (including children).

The limit for outdoor gatherings will be reduced from 50 to 30.

Restrictions for the northern zone of the Northern Beaches remain the same but for the southern zone of the Northern Beaches the following will now apply;

Household gatherings will be limited to 5 visitors from within your zone (including children).

These changes come into effect from midnight tonight (Wednesday 30 December) and will be in place until further notice.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

Fear of side effects rather than fear of the virus… that’s interesting.

In my case it’s understandable.
I’ll have the vaccine but I hope it will be given to normal people first.

So everyone on this site will be at the back of the queue then.

Yep. I’m not considered a priority according to the information out to date.

sibeen said:

NSW records 18 new COVID-19 cases

Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has 18 new cases of community transmission.

Nine of these were in the Avalon cluster and people were already in isolation.

“ were related to the one case that we mentioned yesterday in the inner west. The health experts are calling it the Croydon cluster. All six are members of the same extended family group.

“And we anticipate because of the nature of that extended family’s movements, that there will be more cases from that cluster.”

And there is the beginning of the Christmas rush right there.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/nsw-declares-croydon-cluster-as-state-records-18-covid-19-cases/13021092

And the nursing home visits have been stopped (although not in the regions). At what stage does the “dictator” epithet get applied?

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/nsw-declares-croydon-cluster-as-state-records-18-covid-19-cases/13021092

And the nursing home visits have been stopped (although not in the regions). At what stage does the “dictator” epithet get applied?

That’ll be an election cycle or two.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/nsw-declares-croydon-cluster-as-state-records-18-covid-19-cases/13021092

And the nursing home visits have been stopped (although not in the regions). At what stage does the “dictator” epithet get applied?

It has to alliterate, so I suggest Gauleiter Gladys as an equivalent for Dictator Dan.

*Gauleiter: a political official governing a district under Nazi rule.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/nsw-declares-croydon-cluster-as-state-records-18-covid-19-cases/13021092

And the nursing home visits have been stopped (although not in the regions). At what stage does the “dictator” epithet get applied?

It has to alliterate, so I suggest Gauleiter Gladys as an equivalent for Dictator Dan.

*Gauleiter: a political official governing a district under Nazi rule.

Gawky or Ghastly?

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/nsw-declares-croydon-cluster-as-state-records-18-covid-19-cases/13021092

And the nursing home visits have been stopped (although not in the regions). At what stage does the “dictator” epithet get applied?

She needs to piss off the right people and find one that alliterates her first name. Gestapo Gladys?

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/nsw-declares-croydon-cluster-as-state-records-18-covid-19-cases/13021092

And the nursing home visits have been stopped (although not in the regions). At what stage does the “dictator” epithet get applied?

It has to alliterate, so I suggest Gauleiter Gladys as an equivalent for Dictator Dan.

*Gauleiter: a political official governing a district under Nazi rule.

Or maybe this….

Big Brother Beryljiggling?

(pronounced Beryl Jiggling)

buffy said:

sibeen said:

NSW records 18 new COVID-19 cases

Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has 18 new cases of community transmission.

Nine of these were in the Avalon cluster and people were already in isolation.

“ were related to the one case that we mentioned yesterday in the inner west. The health experts are calling it the Croydon cluster. All six are members of the same extended family group.

“And we anticipate because of the nature of that extended family’s movements, that there will be more cases from that cluster.”

And there is the beginning of the Christmas rush right there.

don’t worry that was just the first little bit, we have this secondary coming up remember

Morayfield music store posts sign banning masks from being worn instore.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-qld-social-media-outrage-over-guitar-exchange-antimask-sign/news-story/85fe32db0780985335b7af7c97638be8

Moral of the story: non-customers will post negative reviews on Google if you do stupid things.

US congressman-elect Luke Letlow has died of coronavirus, Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards has said.

The 41-year-old Republican from Louisiana announced on December 18 that he had tested positive for the virus and on Christmas Eve a spokesman said the father-of-two was being transferred from St Francis Medical Centre in Monroe to Ochsner LSU Health Shreveport Academic Medical Centre for treatment.

“It is with heavy hearts that @FirstLadyOfLA and I offer our condolences to Congressman-elect Luke Letlow’s family on his passing after a battle with COVID-19,” Governor Edwards said on Twitter.

The Northern Territory Government has declared the Sydney suburbs of Croydon, Croydon Park, Lilli Pilli, Strathfield, Strathfield North, Strathfield South and Sutherland as coronavirus hotspots.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/three-people-test-positive-to-covid-19-in-victoria/13022340

Bugger

FUCK YOU ALL NSWANKERS

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/three-people-test-positive-to-covid-19-in-victoria/13022340

Victoria has recorded three new coronavirus cases which the State Government says are being treated as locally acquired and linked to the Sydney outbreak.

A spokeswoman for the State Government said the cases were from Mentone, Hallam and Mitcham and were not in hotel quarantine.

Family visits over Christmas?

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/three-people-test-positive-to-covid-19-in-victoria/13022340

Bugger

I see no reason to be hopeful that Berejiklian will handle this outbreak with any more competence than Donald Trump.

A 57-year-old woman from NSW has been arrested after allegedly evading a COVID-19 checkpoint in East Gippsland this morning.

An off-duty police officer spotted the woman driving near Nhill, (approximately 900km from East Gippsland) allegedly en route to South Australia, about 5pm this afternoon.

Police deployed a tyre deflation device on Western Highway about 6pm today. She will conveyed to a quarantine hotel by DHHS.

Rule 303 said:

A 57-year-old woman from NSW has been arrested after allegedly evading a COVID-19 checkpoint in East Gippsland this morning.

An off-duty police officer spotted the woman driving near Nhill, (approximately 900km from East Gippsland) allegedly en route to South Australia, about 5pm this afternoon.

Police deployed a tyre deflation device on Western Highway about 6pm today. She will conveyed to a quarantine hotel by DHHS.

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

A 57-year-old woman from NSW has been arrested after allegedly evading a COVID-19 checkpoint in East Gippsland this morning.

An off-duty police officer spotted the woman driving near Nhill, (approximately 900km from East Gippsland) allegedly en route to South Australia, about 5pm this afternoon.

Police deployed a tyre deflation device on Western Highway about 6pm today. She will conveyed to a quarantine hotel by DHHS.

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

A 57-year-old woman from NSW has been arrested after allegedly evading a COVID-19 checkpoint in East Gippsland this morning.

An off-duty police officer spotted the woman driving near Nhill, (approximately 900km from East Gippsland) allegedly en route to South Australia, about 5pm this afternoon.

Police deployed a tyre deflation device on Western Highway about 6pm today. She will conveyed to a quarantine hotel by DHHS.

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

She must have been driving non stop.

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

A 57-year-old woman from NSW has been arrested after allegedly evading a COVID-19 checkpoint in East Gippsland this morning.

An off-duty police officer spotted the woman driving near Nhill, (approximately 900km from East Gippsland) allegedly en route to South Australia, about 5pm this afternoon.

Police deployed a tyre deflation device on Western Highway about 6pm today. She will conveyed to a quarantine hotel by DHHS.

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

Yeah, the normal routine for evading a temporary checkpoint is to convince the cop to come to the side window of the vehicle for discussion, then drive past them. Works more often than it should.

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

A 57-year-old woman from NSW has been arrested after allegedly evading a COVID-19 checkpoint in East Gippsland this morning.

An off-duty police officer spotted the woman driving near Nhill, (approximately 900km from East Gippsland) allegedly en route to South Australia, about 5pm this afternoon.

Police deployed a tyre deflation device on Western Highway about 6pm today. She will conveyed to a quarantine hotel by DHHS.

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

Yeah, but … I don’t get the reference to East Gippsland at all, if she was 900 km away near the SA border.

I’m missing something in the story here. She could just as well have been described as avoiding Ballarat or Broken Hill.

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

She must have been driving non stop.

with all these fucking idiots no wonder they’re finding cases popping up all over the place

party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

Yeah, but … I don’t get the reference to East Gippsland at all, if she was 900 km away near the SA border.

I’m missing something in the story here. She could just as well have been described as avoiding Ballarat or Broken Hill.

Mildura

party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

hey what, 900 km away from East Gippsland.

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

Yeah, but … I don’t get the reference to East Gippsland at all, if she was 900 km away near the SA border.

I’m missing something in the story here. She could just as well have been described as avoiding Ballarat or Broken Hill.

Presumably she came into Victoria at the East Gippsland border. Must be on the Princes Highway.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

Yeah, but … I don’t get the reference to East Gippsland at all, if she was 900 km away near the SA border.

I’m missing something in the story here. She could just as well have been described as avoiding Ballarat or Broken Hill.

Presumably she came into Victoria at the East Gippsland border. Must be on the Princes Highway.

Presumably Princes Hwy in through Melbourne and then out on the Western Highway through Ballarat. (Guessing)

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:

She was not arrested in East Gipsland, she was avoiding was in East Gipsland.

Yeah, but … I don’t get the reference to East Gippsland at all, if she was 900 km away near the SA border.

I’m missing something in the story here. She could just as well have been described as avoiding Ballarat or Broken Hill.

Presumably she came into Victoria at the East Gippsland border. Must be on the Princes Highway.

Oh, right.

See crashed the border checkpoint and speed on, then was later found 900 km away heading for the SA border.

buffy said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, but … I don’t get the reference to East Gippsland at all, if she was 900 km away near the SA border.

I’m missing something in the story here. She could just as well have been described as avoiding Ballarat or Broken Hill.

Presumably she came into Victoria at the East Gippsland border. Must be on the Princes Highway.

Presumably Princes Hwy in through Melbourne and then out on the Western Highway through Ballarat. (Guessing)

I’m assuming she came from Bega/Merimbula way.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, but … I don’t get the reference to East Gippsland at all, if she was 900 km away near the SA border.

I’m missing something in the story here. She could just as well have been described as avoiding Ballarat or Broken Hill.

Presumably she came into Victoria at the East Gippsland border. Must be on the Princes Highway.

Oh, right.

See crashed the border checkpoint and speed on, then was later found 900 km away heading for the SA border.

The media are notoriously unreliable with the details, but that’s what I make of it, yeah. The border is vulnerable in east Gippsland (far eastern Vic) because there’s no river to cross, so no bridges required, which means there lots of places to cross over. We’ve got 200 cops sitting out there on 24-hour sentry duty on tiny little country roads.

Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Presumably she came into Victoria at the East Gippsland border. Must be on the Princes Highway.

Oh, right.

See crashed the border checkpoint and speed on, then was later found 900 km away heading for the SA border.

The media are notoriously unreliable with the details, but that’s what I make of it, yeah. The border is vulnerable in east Gippsland (far eastern Vic) because there’s no river to cross, so no bridges required, which means there lots of places to cross over. We’ve got 200 cops sitting out there on 24-hour sentry duty on tiny little country roads.

OK, Glad we got that sorted. I was a bit confused the way I first read it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/wuhan-nearly-490000-people-could-have-had-covid-study-finds

sibeen said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/wuhan-nearly-490000-people-could-have-had-covid-study-finds

fk damn their healthcare is good, fatality rate 1/10 what we expected

Arts said:

The last day of the year tomorrow. Just in case you needed to hear that.

Just in time for the story of New South Wuhan 2021, fucking all the other states around.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/wuhan-nearly-490000-people-could-have-had-covid-study-finds

fk damn their healthcare is good, fatality rate 1/10 what we expected

If…they are being entirely truthful with the number of fatalities.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/29/covid-hotspots-nsw-list-of-sydney-and-regional-coronavirus-case-locations

Gyms and manicures and a lot of food and piss.

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/29/covid-hotspots-nsw-list-of-sydney-and-regional-coronavirus-case-locations

Gyms and manicures and a lot of food and piss.

And a trapeze school.

Moral of the tale: steer clear of “fitness” places that make you ill, attend to your own fingernails, do most of your own cooking, drink at home and avoid risky circus stunts.

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and a member of Independent Sage, said things were as bad as they had ever been. “The frightening thing is that they are going to continue to get worse,” she said. “Action is needed now to avoid the collapse of the NHS in a few weeks. It is that serious.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/scientists-warn-tier-4-not-enough-to-control-covid-in-england

sarahs mum said:

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and a member of Independent Sage, said things were as bad as they had ever been. “The frightening thing is that they are going to continue to get worse,” she said. “Action is needed now to avoid the collapse of the NHS in a few weeks. It is that serious.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/scientists-warn-tier-4-not-enough-to-control-covid-in-england

I wonder if the 70% of elderly people who voted Tory last year are still happy with their choice.

sarahs mum said:

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and a member of Independent Sage, said things were as bad as they had ever been. “The frightening thing is that they are going to continue to get worse,” she said. “Action is needed now to avoid the collapse of the NHS in a few weeks. It is that serious.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/scientists-warn-tier-4-not-enough-to-control-covid-in-england

Action will be delayed until the crisis gets worse.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and a member of Independent Sage, said things were as bad as they had ever been. “The frightening thing is that they are going to continue to get worse,” she said. “Action is needed now to avoid the collapse of the NHS in a few weeks. It is that serious.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/scientists-warn-tier-4-not-enough-to-control-covid-in-england

Action will be delayed until the crisis gets worse.

don’t worry it’s only taken them 9 months to discover what we’d been pushing since March

For Your Great Benefit We Restrain Ourselves And Limit The Bylining To The Most Choice Bits

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-30/what-we-know-about-croydon-covid-19cluster/13021302

—

Three adults and three children from one extended family have tested positive to COVID-19 in the last 24 hours. They live across three households, one in Croydon, another in Sydney’s inner-west and another in the city’s south-west. The first case in the cluster was identified late on Monday night and 34 close contacts have since been identified.

• 6 cases, 1 family, whatever — this is 3 households widely across Sydney, and each household will be out in their respective local areas doing their Die For A Discount shopping
• 34 close contacts is insane, and we would do well to remember how the successful “keep everything else as open as possible” strategies include not just isolating contacts, but contacts-of-contacts (2nd order) so if you like the kind of mobility that gives someone 34 close contacts, please tell us: where the fuck are all those 1200 depth <= 2 contacts
• you saw it here first but here’s the proposed new additional measure of how difficult a highly infectious disease like this is to control: the TITS ratio, or time-infectious-time-symptomatic ratio, which for simplicity here we estimate as 3 days : 6 days, or 1:2, in which case you need to trace contacts out to that depth of 2

—

The family gathered several times around Christmas and health authorities suspect the virus was transmitted at these events. However, they are yet to determine which family member first contracted the virus and how.

• no shit
• we suggest that if you need to trace out 1200 contacts then it’s a bit late to be focusing on “which family member first contracted the virus and how”
• remember how The Free World did such a good job following the diversion of “Wu’ Started It” that they forgot to work out how to control their own local little outbreaks

—

There has been no suggestion that the family breached any health restrictions on gatherings.

• shrug, carrying guns around in the DPRNA isn’t against the law either right, and makes it a totally safe place

—

Dr Chant anticipates the cluster will only expand due to the nature of the family’s movements and the fact that the gatherings were for longer than an hour. But Premier Gladys Berejiklian said at this stage the health experts do not recommend a lockdown of Greater Sydney. “The health advice is still such that we have a handle on the current outbreak,” Ms Berejikian said. But the Premier said if the health advice changes, she will act accordingly.

• not sure what the fuck this is about, obviously it’s no longer about “we couldn’t have predicted this”
• so why are we waiting for groupthink to bake in before taking action
• VIC thought they had a handle on 30 cases too, Xerxes thought he had a handle on 300, EU sovereign states each thought they had a handle on 3000, and USUK thought they had a handle on 30000

—

“I’m expecting the numbers to bounce around for several weeks,” Ms Berejiklian said.

• not sure if this is an admission of defeat or an overt display of callousness
• shut it down properly for a week and you might get to 0, moderate probability, no bounce
• shut it down 3 weeks and you highly probably will get 0, no bounce
• every day the numbers climb as you wait is another week it will take to get to 0

—

General comments

• stop chasing behind the firefront and try to get ahead of it for once
• maybe they have Secret Insider Information Us Laypeople Aren’t Allowed To See but judging from their “3 cases will be reported tomorrow… oh surprise, it’s actually 18” then whatever they’re hiding from us is probably not good news.

Dawn Wells has died from Covid, aged 82.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrity-deaths/gilligans-island-star-dawn-wells-dies-from-coronavirus-aged-82/news-story/f6f71fb97adb99a66c9959e1f2984ee9

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/croydon-outbreak-eased-christmas-covid-restrictions-question/13022178

Down at the bottom of that piece…I’m sure we were told the Victorian contact tracing wasn’t good enough etc etc because they couldn’t keep up. Now NSW, with the Best Ever contact tracing, is admitting they might not cope with big numbers?

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/croydon-outbreak-eased-christmas-covid-restrictions-question/13022178

Down at the bottom of that piece…I’m sure we were told the Victorian contact tracing wasn’t good enough etc etc because they couldn’t keep up. Now NSW, with the Best Ever contact tracing, is admitting they might not cope with big numbers?

There have been no new cases of COVID-19 in Murrumbidgee Local Health District.

As previously reported, a person from Sydney who travelled on a flight from Sydney to Griffith on 21 December subsequently returned a positive test result for COVID-19 in Sydney on 24 December. This person flew before they knew they were a close contact of a case.

MLHD would like to reassure the community that all known contacts of the person have been identified and contacted. They have all tested negative and are in self isolation. We will continue to monitor these contacts, and they will be tested again before they finish their quarantine.

Over 250 people have been tested in Griffith since Christmas Day. There are testing clinics open every day so we encourage anyone who wants to be tested to do so.

If you have been unwell or have even the mildest symptoms, please get tested. Call the Murrumbidgee COVID-19 Hotline on 1800 831 099 to arrange a test.

Restrictions tightened in Victoria
From 5pm tonight, the limit of people gathering in private homes will be reduced from 30 down to 15.

Additionally, from 5pm tonight, masks will be mandatory indoors.

“If you are planning to leave your home at the moment, we ask people to carry their masks with them, we are now asking them to wear a mask if they are indoors in any location which is not their private home.”

Jacinta Snaps Her Fingers And The Population Halves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/victoria-coronavirus-nye-restrictions-announced-melbourne-cases/13023362

New Year’s Eve gatherings for tonight based on the existing limit of 30 guests would need to reduce their numbers.

Under the existing rules, dependents are counted among the 15 household visitors unless they are less than one year old.

Victoria has now recorded six COVID-19 cases linked to a restaurant where a New South Wales traveller dined on December 21

Close contacts of the three cases confirmed yesterday are spread across Melbourne, Barwon Heads and Leongatha

SCIENCE said:

Jacinta Snaps Her Fingers And The Population Halves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/victoria-coronavirus-nye-restrictions-announced-melbourne-cases/13023362

New Year’s Eve gatherings for tonight based on the existing limit of 30 guests would need to reduce their numbers.

Under the existing rules, dependents are counted among the 15 household visitors unless they are less than one year old.

Victoria has now recorded six COVID-19 cases linked to a restaurant where a New South Wales traveller dined on December 21

Close contacts of the three cases confirmed yesterday are spread across Melbourne, Barwon Heads and Leongatha

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/more-covid-cases-expected-to-emerge-in-melbourne/13023002

The cases in Mentone and Hallam are from the same family but live in different households. They were at the Black Rock restaurant at the same time as a close contact of the woman from Mitcham who tested positive yesterday.

Contact tracers have identified 52 close contacts of the confirmed cases, and they have been told to self-isolate. Close contacts have been located in Leongatha, in Gippsland, and at Barwon Heads on the Bellarine Peninsula.

Additional testing sites are being set up in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs, including at Parkdale, Wantirna and Ringwood.

A number of major retail outlets at Fountain Gate Shopping Centre in Melbourne’s south-east on the morning of Boxing Day have also been included in exposure sites linked to the cases.

Masks, demography, COVID-19.

—

also

Victorian Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien has questioned why the Government did not make testing mandatory for people returning from New South Wales when it brought in border restrictions on December 18. “At the time I said that was the wrong decision, I said the Government should not be making testing recommended, it should be making it mandatory,” he said. Mr O’Brien said the pressure would be on the Government to prove that the state’s contact tracing system is up to scratch.

oh really, and how about also letting us know what you think about Gladys hey

NSW Police Confirm Disgraced PM Lacks Common Sense

During the northern beaches lockdown, former prime minister Tony Abbott was spotted riding a bike from the south zone to the north zone.

NSW senator Kristina Kenneally posted on Twitter that her neighbours were unhappy that Mr Abbott has not stayed in his designated zone.

NSW Police Assistant Commissioner Mick Willing confirmed officers had spoken to Mr Abbott but said he didn’t breach any rules because of the exemption for exercise.

However, he said Mr Abbott should’ve applied “some common sense”.

It’s as Peak Warming Man said.

SCIENCE said:

NSW Police Confirm Disgraced PM Lacks Common Sense

During the northern beaches lockdown, former prime minister Tony Abbott was spotted riding a bike from the south zone to the north zone.

NSW senator Kristina Kenneally posted on Twitter that her neighbours were unhappy that Mr Abbott has not stayed in his designated zone.

NSW Police Assistant Commissioner Mick Willing confirmed officers had spoken to Mr Abbott but said he didn’t breach any rules because of the exemption for exercise.

However, he said Mr Abbott should’ve applied “some common sense”.

It’s as Peak Warming Man said.

Channelling Wookie “Drone to take him out”

Mrs Cymek got another runner last night, they think they can outrun that flame thrower and heavy machine gun but they don’t

Cymek said:

Mrs Cymek got another runner last night, they think they can outrun that flame thrower and heavy machine gun but they don’t

When will they ever learn not to mess with Mrs. Cymek?

Acting Premier Jacinta Allan said that meant people who had planned New Year’s Eve gatherings for tonight based on the existing limit of 30 guests would need to reduce their number.

Acting Premier? Where’s Dictator Dan? He’d better not have fucked off to Hawaii on Holidays.

sibeen said:

Acting Premier Jacinta Allan said that meant people who had planned New Year’s Eve gatherings for tonight based on the existing limit of 30 guests would need to reduce their number.

Acting Premier? Where’s Dictator Dan? He’d better not have fucked off to Hawaii on Holidays.

want he meant to meet the National Cabinet for the first time or something, maybe he’s in quarantine now

sibeen said:

Acting Premier Jacinta Allan said that meant people who had planned New Year’s Eve gatherings for tonight based on the existing limit of 30 guests would need to reduce their number.

Acting Premier? Where’s Dictator Dan? He’d better not have fucked off to Hawaii on Holidays.

He’s doing the mandatory 14 day iso after getting a haircut, I think.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Acting Premier Jacinta Allan said that meant people who had planned New Year’s Eve gatherings for tonight based on the existing limit of 30 guests would need to reduce their number.

Acting Premier? Where’s Dictator Dan? He’d better not have fucked off to Hawaii on Holidays.

He’s doing the mandatory 14 day iso after getting a haircut, I think.

I reckon he’s probably still catching up on his sleep deficit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/byron-crowds-and-bungled-covid-tests/13023550

I understand the problems with anti-social behaviour, but it sounds like it’s a common occurrence. But getting het up about a messup in the sewage testing?! It’s quite irrelevent – if you need to take precautions, just take precautions. Whether there are fragments in the sewage or not doesn’t really tell you very much that is useful.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/byron-crowds-and-bungled-covid-tests/13023550

I understand the problems with anti-social behaviour, but it sounds like it’s a common occurrence. But getting het up about a messup in the sewage testing?! It’s quite irrelevent – if you need to take precautions, just take precautions. Whether there are fragments in the sewage or not doesn’t really tell you very much that is useful.

North Coast Public Health Director Paul Corben said while the “operational hiccup” was unfortunate, sewerage testing was not the main form of COVID surveillance.

“It doesn’t actually tell us that we’ve got infectious people in the area necessarily,” he said.

“It may tell us that we’ve got people who have recovered from COVID who are no longer infectious but are still shedding the virus.

“Our main form of surveillance for COVID is that people with even the mildest of symptoms come forward and be tested.”

Victoria has shut the border again to NSW from Nidnight tomorrow.

sarahs mum said:

Victoria has shut the border again to NSW from Nidnight tomorrow.

good

let’s hope it’s not too too late, given 6 cases already tell us it’s too late

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Victoria has shut the border again to NSW from Nidnight tomorrow.

good

let’s hope it’s not too too late, given 6 cases already tell us it’s too late

our bad, getting late, 8 now

—

Five more cases were confirmed today, all among close contacts linked to the cluster.

He confirmed contact tracers would be reaching out to contacts of those close contacts today and asking them to get tested and quarantine for 14 days.

Ms Allan said yesterday’s cases all had either a direct or indirect link to the Smile Buffalo Thai restaurant at Black Rock on December 21.

“One that night, one case and two close contacts of cases attended this restaurant, as did a returned traveller from New South Wales,” she said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/victoria-coronavirus-nye-restrictions-announced-melbourne-cases/13023362

More to come.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Victoria has shut the border again to NSW from Nidnight tomorrow.

good

let’s hope it’s not too too late, given 6 cases already tell us it’s too late

I think the border was shut from the NSW side to Victoria before. I think this is the first time we have shut the border. Except for the partial shutting in the last week or so.

The last two days have seen record death counts for the USA, 3717 and 3880. However I suspect that this is partly a recording anomaly due to the fact that some deaths over Christmas were not reported on the actual day of death, as there were three consecutive days with very low death counts.

I must be getting confused. I thought the Victorian cases in this new wave originated in NSW. But:

>>New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state’s list of coronavirus risk sites will be updated after two positive cases from Victoria attended venues in Bega and Bermagui. <<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

buffy said:

I must be getting confused. I thought the Victorian cases in this new wave originated in NSW. But:

>>New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state’s list of coronavirus risk sites will be updated after two positive cases from Victoria attended venues in Bega and Bermagui. <<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

Pete Seeger asked “When will they ever learn?”

buffy said:

I must be getting confused. I thought the Victorian cases in this new wave originated in NSW. But:

>>New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state’s list of coronavirus risk sites will be updated after two positive cases from Victoria attended venues in Bega and Bermagui. <<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

Oh, for goodness sake….now Gladys doesn’t like Victoria closing the border. I’m sorry – but who closed the border to Victoria before?!

buffy said:

buffy said:

I must be getting confused. I thought the Victorian cases in this new wave originated in NSW. But:

>>New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state’s list of coronavirus risk sites will be updated after two positive cases from Victoria attended venues in Bega and Bermagui. <<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

Oh, for goodness sake….now Gladys doesn’t like Victoria closing the border. I’m sorry – but who closed the border to Victoria before?!

It’s the three p’s effect: Petty Party Politics.

Heard on the wireless that a shed load of covid vaccines were left out of the fridge overnight at a clinic in the US making them un-usable. Apparently some dude owned up to doing it on purpose.
They were sacked of course, probably a nutter antivaxer activist.

Peak Warming Man said:

Heard on the wireless that a shed load of covid vaccines were left out of the fridge overnight at a clinic in the US making them un-usable. Apparently some dude owned up to doing it on purpose.
They were sacked of course, probably a nutter antivaxer activist.

Should be taken out and publicly hung by the testicles.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

I must be getting confused. I thought the Victorian cases in this new wave originated in NSW. But:

>>New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state’s list of coronavirus risk sites will be updated after two positive cases from Victoria attended venues in Bega and Bermagui. <<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

Oh, for goodness sake….now Gladys doesn’t like Victoria closing the border. I’m sorry – but who closed the border to Victoria before?!

It’s the three p’s effect: Petty Party Politics.

agree

way we read it was

1. New South Wuhan exports cases to Victoria
2. cases detected in VIC
3. NSW then traces back and finds they’ve been to places A, B, C
4. call them VIC cases that have been around NSW
5. it’s Dictator Dan’s fault but Great Gladys did her best to protect NSW

more to come

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Heard on the wireless that a shed load of covid vaccines were left out of the fridge overnight at a clinic in the US making them un-usable. Apparently some dude owned up to doing it on purpose.
They were sacked of course, probably a nutter antivaxer activist.

Should be taken out and publicly hung by the testicles.

Gender wasn’t mentioned but it these enlightened times they could still be hung as you suggested regardless of gender.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Heard on the wireless that a shed load of covid vaccines were left out of the fridge overnight at a clinic in the US making them un-usable. Apparently some dude owned up to doing it on purpose.
They were sacked of course, probably a nutter antivaxer activist.

Should be taken out and publicly hung by the testicles.

Should be fined the cost of the vaccine.

WTFasten¡¿

first time we’ve seened (or is it sawn¿) “fastening” being used in this way, Google agreening

but hey, Language Is Evolving so what would we know

maybe they mean pHastening

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Heard on the wireless that a shed load of covid vaccines were left out of the fridge overnight at a clinic in the US making them un-usable. Apparently some dude owned up to doing it on purpose.
They were sacked of course, probably a nutter antivaxer activist.

Should be taken out and publicly hung by the testicles.

Should be fined the cost of the vaccine.

But CHINA Offered It Free

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Heard on the wireless that a shed load of covid vaccines were left out of the fridge overnight at a clinic in the US making them un-usable. Apparently some dude owned up to doing it on purpose.
They were sacked of course, probably a nutter antivaxer activist.

Should be taken out and publicly hung by the testicles.

Gender wasn’t mentioned but it these enlightened times they could still be hung as you suggested regardless of gender.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/wisconsin-hospital-worker-arrested-for-spoiled-vaccine-doses/13025870

A male pharmacist, according to the above.

Bloody pharmacists.

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Should be taken out and publicly hung by the testicles.

Should be fined the cost of the vaccine.

But CHINA Offered It Free

It’s free everywhere I think.
Certainly in Australia and we are giving it free to the Asia specific countries.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Oh, for goodness sake….now Gladys doesn’t like Victoria closing the border. I’m sorry – but who closed the border to Victoria before?!

It’s the three p’s effect: Petty Party Politics.

agree

way we read it was

1. New South Wuhan exports cases to Victoria
2. cases detected in VIC
3. NSW then traces back and finds they’ve been to places A, B, C
4. call them VIC cases that have been around NSW
5. it’s Dictator Dan’s fault but Great Gladys did her best to protect NSW

more to come

and with that it’s still obvious that Great Gladys is just a Superspreader Scotty (or should that be Marketing Morrison) Mouthpiece, videlicet

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

PM says he understand frustration around pandemic disruptions, highlights efforts in Queensland, NT and Tasmania — But Not Victoria Of Course

The Prime Minister said while it would be nice if state and territory governments would be more consistent with restrictions, he said Australians elected their state and territory governments to make these decisions.

“State governments are elected by the people of their states to exercise their responsibilities when it comes to the public health of people in their state,” he said.

“And as much as we would like there to be greater consistency across all of these things, we must respect their jurisdictional authority because they are ultimately responsible for what would happen in their state if there were to be an outbreak in their state.

“As Prime Minister, I do respect that.”

Mr Morrison said he welcomed recent approaches to border restrictions imposed by the governments of Queensland, Northern Territory and Tasmania.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

Should be fined the cost of the vaccine.

But CHINA Offered It Free

It’s free everywhere I think.
Certainly in Australia and we are giving it free to the Asia specific countries.

It’s not free to manufacture only to provide for end users.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

But CHINA Offered It Free

It’s free everywhere I think.
Certainly in Australia and we are giving it free to the Asia specific countries.

It’s not free to manufacture only to provide for end users.

Yep, the Astrazenica one is being provided at cost, they wont profit from it but the cynic in me hasn’t missed the PR benefits down the track.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s free everywhere I think.
Certainly in Australia and we are giving it free to the Asia specific countries.

It’s not free to manufacture only to provide for end users.

Yep, the Astrazenica one is being provided at cost, they wont profit from it but the cynic in me hasn’t missed the PR benefits down the track.

And the exceptions to this benevolent scheme.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

It’s not free to manufacture only to provide for end users.

Yep, the Astrazenica one is being provided at cost, they wont profit from it but the cynic in me hasn’t missed the PR benefits down the track.

And the exceptions to this benevolent scheme.

How do you mean?

sibeen said:

Bloody pharmacists.

pfft. they are just the middle man between the public and unadulterated drug use.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

It’s the three p’s effect: Petty Party Politics.

agree

way we read it was

1. New South Wuhan exports cases to Victoria
2. cases detected in VIC
3. NSW then traces back and finds they’ve been to places A, B, C
4. call them VIC cases that have been around NSW
5. it’s Dictator Dan’s fault but Great Gladys did her best to protect NSW

more to come

and with that it’s still obvious that Great Gladys is just a Superspreader Scotty (or should that be Marketing Morrison) Mouthpiece, videlicet

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

PM says he understand frustration around pandemic disruptions, highlights efforts in Queensland, NT and Tasmania — But Not Victoria Of Course

The Prime Minister said while it would be nice if state and territory governments would be more consistent with restrictions, he said Australians elected their state and territory governments to make these decisions.

“State governments are elected by the people of their states to exercise their responsibilities when it comes to the public health of people in their state,” he said.

“And as much as we would like there to be greater consistency across all of these things, we must respect their jurisdictional authority because they are ultimately responsible for what would happen in their state if there were to be an outbreak in their state.

“As Prime Minister, I do respect that.”

Mr Morrison said he welcomed recent approaches to border restrictions imposed by the governments of Queensland, Northern Territory and Tasmania.

and then

’Living with COVID-19’

Ms Berejiklian said until there was a vaccine rolled out to the majority of the population, we’re going to have to live with COVID-19.

• fuck that

—

“When the situation in Victoria was quite severe some months ago, we waited until Victorian cases were consistently above 120 before we closed our border and that is the decision we took … so the strategy we have taken is how can we maintain public health and safety without putting unnecessary stress on our citizens, and that is a fine balance we have been adopting in New South Wales.

• fuck you, threatening other states and even your own uninfected citizens with infection risk is unnecessary stress on your and their citizens

—

“…What is also important to remember, and this is why we take a holistic view in New South Wales, is that when you do have a border closure, you are putting so many resources into a concentrated activity which then stops you from putting those resources elsewhere – whether its compliance, supporting the community etc.

• maybe, but if you prevent an outbreak coming in, then you don’t have to put those resources into compliance eh¿ Surely an argument for waiting until NSWuhan cases are consistently above 1.20 before closing the border oh wait that would be now

—

“I don’t think at this stage closing the border between New South Wales and Victoria is a good use of resources. I think we’re better off asking the community to come forward to getting tested, cutting off those chains of transmission, making sure everybody has enough information about venues and about COVID-safe activities.”

• you’re an arsehole and you can keep your border resources, VIC can use theirs, and guess what would achieve “cutting off those chains of transmission” across borders¿ We’re giving you the information about what a COVID-safe activity is — closing a border

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yep, the Astrazenica one is being provided at cost, they wont profit from it but the cynic in me hasn’t missed the PR benefits down the track.

And the exceptions to this benevolent scheme.

How do you mean?

Some groups will for political and/or economic reasons not receive the vaccine for free.

oh they’phe phixed the phastening line now

SCIENCE said:

oh they’phe phixed the phastening line now

They’ve fastened the fixture?

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

agree

way we read it was

1. New South Wuhan exports cases to Victoria
2. cases detected in VIC
3. NSW then traces back and finds they’ve been to places A, B, C
4. call them VIC cases that have been around NSW
5. it’s Dictator Dan’s fault but Great Gladys did her best to protect NSW

more to come

and with that it’s still obvious that Great Gladys is just a Superspreader Scotty (or should that be Marketing Morrison) Mouthpiece, videlicet

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

PM says he understand frustration around pandemic disruptions, highlights efforts in Queensland, NT and Tasmania — But Not Victoria Of Course

The Prime Minister said while it would be nice if state and territory governments would be more consistent with restrictions, he said Australians elected their state and territory governments to make these decisions.

“State governments are elected by the people of their states to exercise their responsibilities when it comes to the public health of people in their state,” he said.

“And as much as we would like there to be greater consistency across all of these things, we must respect their jurisdictional authority because they are ultimately responsible for what would happen in their state if there were to be an outbreak in their state.

“As Prime Minister, I do respect that.”

Mr Morrison said he welcomed recent approaches to border restrictions imposed by the governments of Queensland, Northern Territory and Tasmania.

and then

’Living with COVID-19’

Ms Berejiklian said until there was a vaccine rolled out to the majority of the population, we’re going to have to live with COVID-19.

• fuck that

—

“When the situation in Victoria was quite severe some months ago, we waited until Victorian cases were consistently above 120 before we closed our border and that is the decision we took … so the strategy we have taken is how can we maintain public health and safety without putting unnecessary stress on our citizens, and that is a fine balance we have been adopting in New South Wales.

• fuck you, threatening other states and even your own uninfected citizens with infection risk is unnecessary stress on your and their citizens

—

“…What is also important to remember, and this is why we take a holistic view in New South Wales, is that when you do have a border closure, you are putting so many resources into a concentrated activity which then stops you from putting those resources elsewhere – whether its compliance, supporting the community etc.

• maybe, but if you prevent an outbreak coming in, then you don’t have to put those resources into compliance eh¿ Surely an argument for waiting until NSWuhan cases are consistently above 1.20 before closing the border oh wait that would be now

—

“I don’t think at this stage closing the border between New South Wales and Victoria is a good use of resources. I think we’re better off asking the community to come forward to getting tested, cutting off those chains of transmission, making sure everybody has enough information about venues and about COVID-safe activities.”

• you’re an arsehole and you can keep your border resources, VIC can use theirs, and guess what would achieve “cutting off those chains of transmission” across borders¿ We’re giving you the information about what a COVID-safe activity is — closing a border
  

I agree with Gladys Unspellable.
It’s nuts to shut/open/shut/open borders everytime there’s a small outbreak.
The Victorian outbreak was an exception..

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

and with that it’s still obvious that Great Gladys is just a Superspreader Scotty (or should that be Marketing Morrison) Mouthpiece, videlicet

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-nsw-victoria/13025770

PM says he understand frustration around pandemic disruptions, highlights efforts in Queensland, NT and Tasmania — But Not Victoria Of Course

and then

’Living with COVID-19’

Ms Berejiklian said until there was a vaccine rolled out to the majority of the population, we’re going to have to live with COVID-19.

I agree with Gladys Unspellable.
It’s nuts to shut/open/shut/open borders everytime there’s a small outbreak.
The Victorian outbreak was an exception..

we agree that it’s nuts to try to live with COVID-19 instead of eliminating it

we also agree that the occurrence of a small outbreak should not be a trigger for immediatae border closure, and the inadequate response of local authorities should be and is the trigger

however we aren’t Dan so maybe dictators think different

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

And the exceptions to this benevolent scheme.

How do you mean?

Some groups will for political and/or economic reasons not receive the vaccine for free.

I think the WHO will make sure that it is available for free to everyone in the World eventually.
However I’m sure that in the US there will be rich people who will try and jump the queue with a fist full of dollars. I think most other western countries wont tolerate that.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

How do you mean?

Some groups will for political and/or economic reasons not receive the vaccine for free.

I think the WHO will make sure that it is available for free to everyone in the World eventually.
However I’m sure that in the US there will be rich people who will try and jump the queue with a fist full of dollars. I think most other western countries wont tolerate that.

They’ll probably even demand apostrophes.

Someone close to us did this kind of thing once, nothing got burnt except the sand on the ground but we won’t say that meant it was a good idea.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1060644942886903809/pu/vid/180×318/K95G-1sUUdpsXyaP.mp4?tag=5

‘Toxic Individualism’: Pandemic Politics Driving Health Care Workers From Small Towns

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/28/950861977/toxic-individualism-pandemic-politics-driving-health-care-workers-from-small-tow?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The virus infecting thousands of Americans a day is also attacking the country’s social fabric. The coronavirus has exposed a weakness in many rural communities, where divisive pandemic politics are alienating some of their most critical residents — health care workers.

A wave of departing medical professionals would leave gaping holes in the rural health care system, and small-town economies, triggering a death spiral in some of these areas that may be hard to stop.

Ten years ago, Dr. Kristina Darnauer and her husband, Jeff, moved to tiny Sterling, Kan., to raise their kids steeped in small-town values.

“The values of hard work, the value of community, taking care of your neighbor, that’s what small towns shout from the rooftops, this is what we’re good at. We are salt of the earth people who care about each other,” Darnauer says. “And here I am saying, then wear a mask because that protects your precious neighbor.”

But Darnauer’s medical advice and moral admonition were met with contempt from some of her friends, neighbors and patients. People who had routinely buttonholed her for quick medical advice at church and kids’ ballgames were suddenly treating her as the enemy and regarding her professional opinion as suspect and offensive.

COVID-19 cases in the county started to climb. Meanwhile, other small Kansas towns flared into some of the pandemic’s hottest hot spots.

“It’s heartbreaking,” Darnauer says. “Because we say, this is what we value. And then when we actually had the chance to walk it out, we did it really poorly.”

The pushback was too much. Darnauer resigned her position as Rice County medical director in July. Some friends reached out to support her, and her bonds with other local health care professionals strengthened, but she felt disrespected and betrayed by the ascendant anti-mask portion of the community. Darnauer says the pandemic has exposed a rift that won’t be forgotten.

“Hard things should bring us together,” Darnauer says. “And instead, this hard thing has driven a wedge between us.”

That wedge is splitting off health care workers from communities that desperately need them.

More than a quarter of all the public health administrators in Kansas quit, retired or got fired this year, according to Vicki Collie-Akers, an associate professor of population health at the University of Kansas. Some of them got death threats. Some had to hire armed guards.

“These are leaders in their community,” Collie-Akers says. “And they are leaving broken.” Collie-Akers notes these professionals also leaving at a terrible time. The pandemic is still raging. Vaccines still need to get from cities to small towns and into people’s arms; public health officers are as important as ever.

And who, she asks, is going to take the jobs health care directors are leaving?

“It’s not a secret that the position is open because of extreme tension between the health department director and the city commissioner, county commission, or because the person has required a guard,” Collie-Akers says.

dv said:

‘Toxic Individualism’: Pandemic Politics

⚠ looks like disinformation

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

‘Toxic Individualism’: Pandemic Politics

⚠ looks like disinformation

Why was he hospitalised? Was it for his heart condition or something else that attacks the pulmonary system?

Borders in other countries can be relaxed or tightly controlled

We seem new at it. Other countries have years of experience.

dv said:

‘Toxic Individualism’: Pandemic Politics Driving Health Care Workers From Small Towns

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/28/950861977/toxic-individualism-pandemic-politics-driving-health-care-workers-from-small-tow?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The virus infecting thousands of Americans a day is also attacking the country’s social fabric. The coronavirus has exposed a weakness in many rural communities, where divisive pandemic politics are alienating some of their most critical residents — health care workers.

A wave of departing medical professionals would leave gaping holes in the rural health care system, and small-town economies, triggering a death spiral in some of these areas that may be hard to stop.

Ten years ago, Dr. Kristina Darnauer and her husband, Jeff, moved to tiny Sterling, Kan., to raise their kids steeped in small-town values.

“The values of hard work, the value of community, taking care of your neighbor, that’s what small towns shout from the rooftops, this is what we’re good at. We are salt of the earth people who care about each other,” Darnauer says. “And here I am saying, then wear a mask because that protects your precious neighbor.”

But Darnauer’s medical advice and moral admonition were met with contempt from some of her friends, neighbors and patients. People who had routinely buttonholed her for quick medical advice at church and kids’ ballgames were suddenly treating her as the enemy and regarding her professional opinion as suspect and offensive.

COVID-19 cases in the county started to climb. Meanwhile, other small Kansas towns flared into some of the pandemic’s hottest hot spots.

“It’s heartbreaking,” Darnauer says. “Because we say, this is what we value. And then when we actually had the chance to walk it out, we did it really poorly.”

The pushback was too much. Darnauer resigned her position as Rice County medical director in July. Some friends reached out to support her, and her bonds with other local health care professionals strengthened, but she felt disrespected and betrayed by the ascendant anti-mask portion of the community. Darnauer says the pandemic has exposed a rift that won’t be forgotten.

“Hard things should bring us together,” Darnauer says. “And instead, this hard thing has driven a wedge between us.”

That wedge is splitting off health care workers from communities that desperately need them.

More than a quarter of all the public health administrators in Kansas quit, retired or got fired this year, according to Vicki Collie-Akers, an associate professor of population health at the University of Kansas. Some of them got death threats. Some had to hire armed guards.

“These are leaders in their community,” Collie-Akers says. “And they are leaving broken.” Collie-Akers notes these professionals also leaving at a terrible time. The pandemic is still raging. Vaccines still need to get from cities to small towns and into people’s arms; public health officers are as important as ever.

And who, she asks, is going to take the jobs health care directors are leaving?

“It’s not a secret that the position is open because of extreme tension between the health department director and the city commissioner, county commission, or because the person has required a guard,” Collie-Akers says.

Very saddening.

:(

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

‘Toxic Individualism’: Pandemic Politics

⚠ looks like disinformation

I wonder whether the procedure was intubation.

Michael V said:

dv said:

‘Toxic Individualism’: Pandemic Politics Driving Health Care Workers From Small Towns

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/28/950861977/toxic-individualism-pandemic-politics-driving-health-care-workers-from-small-tow?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The virus infecting thousands of Americans a day is also attacking the country’s social fabric. The coronavirus has exposed a weakness in many rural communities, where divisive pandemic politics are alienating some of their most critical residents — health care workers.

A wave of departing medical professionals would leave gaping holes in the rural health care system, and small-town economies, triggering a death spiral in some of these areas that may be hard to stop.

Ten years ago, Dr. Kristina Darnauer and her husband, Jeff, moved to tiny Sterling, Kan., to raise their kids steeped in small-town values.

“The values of hard work, the value of community, taking care of your neighbor, that’s what small towns shout from the rooftops, this is what we’re good at. We are salt of the earth people who care about each other,” Darnauer says. “And here I am saying, then wear a mask because that protects your precious neighbor.”

But Darnauer’s medical advice and moral admonition were met with contempt from some of her friends, neighbors and patients. People who had routinely buttonholed her for quick medical advice at church and kids’ ballgames were suddenly treating her as the enemy and regarding her professional opinion as suspect and offensive.

COVID-19 cases in the county started to climb. Meanwhile, other small Kansas towns flared into some of the pandemic’s hottest hot spots.

“It’s heartbreaking,” Darnauer says. “Because we say, this is what we value. And then when we actually had the chance to walk it out, we did it really poorly.”

The pushback was too much. Darnauer resigned her position as Rice County medical director in July. Some friends reached out to support her, and her bonds with other local health care professionals strengthened, but she felt disrespected and betrayed by the ascendant anti-mask portion of the community. Darnauer says the pandemic has exposed a rift that won’t be forgotten.

“Hard things should bring us together,” Darnauer says. “And instead, this hard thing has driven a wedge between us.”

That wedge is splitting off health care workers from communities that desperately need them.

More than a quarter of all the public health administrators in Kansas quit, retired or got fired this year, according to Vicki Collie-Akers, an associate professor of population health at the University of Kansas. Some of them got death threats. Some had to hire armed guards.

“These are leaders in their community,” Collie-Akers says. “And they are leaving broken.” Collie-Akers notes these professionals also leaving at a terrible time. The pandemic is still raging. Vaccines still need to get from cities to small towns and into people’s arms; public health officers are as important as ever.

And who, she asks, is going to take the jobs health care directors are leaving?

“It’s not a secret that the position is open because of extreme tension between the health department director and the city commissioner, county commission, or because the person has required a guard,” Collie-Akers says.

Very saddening.

:(

Heartbreaking.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

‘Toxic Individualism’: Pandemic Politics Driving Health Care Workers From Small Towns

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/28/950861977/toxic-individualism-pandemic-politics-driving-health-care-workers-from-small-tow?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The virus infecting thousands of Americans a day is also attacking the country’s social fabric. The coronavirus has exposed a weakness in many rural communities, where divisive pandemic politics are alienating some of their most critical residents — health care workers.

A wave of departing medical professionals would leave gaping holes in the rural health care system, and small-town economies, triggering a death spiral in some of these areas that may be hard to stop.

Ten years ago, Dr. Kristina Darnauer and her husband, Jeff, moved to tiny Sterling, Kan., to raise their kids steeped in small-town values.

“The values of hard work, the value of community, taking care of your neighbor, that’s what small towns shout from the rooftops, this is what we’re good at. We are salt of the earth people who care about each other,” Darnauer says. “And here I am saying, then wear a mask because that protects your precious neighbor.”

But Darnauer’s medical advice and moral admonition were met with contempt from some of her friends, neighbors and patients. People who had routinely buttonholed her for quick medical advice at church and kids’ ballgames were suddenly treating her as the enemy and regarding her professional opinion as suspect and offensive.

COVID-19 cases in the county started to climb. Meanwhile, other small Kansas towns flared into some of the pandemic’s hottest hot spots.

“It’s heartbreaking,” Darnauer says. “Because we say, this is what we value. And then when we actually had the chance to walk it out, we did it really poorly.”

The pushback was too much. Darnauer resigned her position as Rice County medical director in July. Some friends reached out to support her, and her bonds with other local health care professionals strengthened, but she felt disrespected and betrayed by the ascendant anti-mask portion of the community. Darnauer says the pandemic has exposed a rift that won’t be forgotten.

“Hard things should bring us together,” Darnauer says. “And instead, this hard thing has driven a wedge between us.”

That wedge is splitting off health care workers from communities that desperately need them.

More than a quarter of all the public health administrators in Kansas quit, retired or got fired this year, according to Vicki Collie-Akers, an associate professor of population health at the University of Kansas. Some of them got death threats. Some had to hire armed guards.

“These are leaders in their community,” Collie-Akers says. “And they are leaving broken.” Collie-Akers notes these professionals also leaving at a terrible time. The pandemic is still raging. Vaccines still need to get from cities to small towns and into people’s arms; public health officers are as important as ever.

And who, she asks, is going to take the jobs health care directors are leaving?

“It’s not a secret that the position is open because of extreme tension between the health department director and the city commissioner, county commission, or because the person has required a guard,” Collie-Akers says.

Very saddening.

:(

Heartbreaking.

The Trump legacy.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Very saddening.

:(

Heartbreaking.

The Trump legacy.

don’t worry health workers are leaving many public systems across the flock immunity world

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Very saddening.

:(

Heartbreaking.

The Trump legacy.

And we can’t pretend it hasn’t affected us.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Heartbreaking.

The Trump legacy.

And we can’t pretend it hasn’t affected us.

^

https://www.facebook.com/1609972185993610/posts/2613684442289041/
Coronavirus etude

Authorities have arrested a Milwaukee pharmacist suspected of deliberately ruining hundreds of doses of Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine by removing it from refrigeration for two nights.
Key points:

Police did not identify the pharmacist His motive remains unclear Police said the doses were worth between $US8,000 and $US11,000

The Grafton Police Department said the former Advocate Aurora Health pharmacist was arrested on suspicion of reckless endangerment, adulterating a prescription drug and criminal damage to property.

The pharmacist was fired and police said in a news release that he was in custody.

more..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/wisconsin-hospital-worker-arrested-for-spoiled-vaccine-doses/13025870

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

The Trump legacy.

And we can’t pretend it hasn’t affected us.

^

nah. I’ll give it a go pretending. I’m good at retending.

sarahs mum said:

His motive remains unclear

The pharmacist was fired and police said in a news release that he was in custody.

more..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/wisconsin-hospital-worker-arrested-for-spoiled-vaccine-doses/13025870

^

Pfizer Backs Two-Dose Shot Schedule as U.K. Spaces Out Shots

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-31/pfizer-backs-two-dose-vaccine-schedule-after-u-k-shift

• FDA raises concerns about focusing on single dose like U.K.
• Pfizer says it’s unknown if protection holds after single dose

Pfizer Inc. said the second dose of its Covid-19 vaccine should be delivered to individuals within the recommended 21-day period, calling into question a decision by the U.K. to space out the dosing regimen.

The U.K. decision not to hold back any of its vaccine supply is aimed at quickly reaching as many high-risk people as possible. Under the government plan, second doses could be administered as many as 12 weeks later, longer than the three-week timing determined as optimal by Pfizer’s late-stage studies and the four weeks suggested for the shot developed by Moderna Inc.

People should get their shots on the recommended schedule, Pfizer said on Thursday, warning “there is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”

Information on the efficacy surrounding a single dose has been misinterpreted, said Peter Marks, director of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s office that oversees vaccines. Relying on one shot, he said, “is concerning.”

Marks’ comments come as the British Medical Association said on Thursday that the U.K.’s decision would require doctors to reschedule appointments for tens of thousands of elderly and vulnerable patients to get their second vaccine doses. The group called the move “grossly unfair.”

Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, also weighed in on the U.K.’s decision in an interview on NBC’s Today Show on Thursday. Spreading out the two doses is “under consideration,” he said, though he didn’t specify by who.

“I still think, if done properly, you can do a single dose, reserve doses for the second dose, and still get the job done,” Fauci said. But he added “you can make an argument, and some people are, about stretching out the doses and giving a single dose across the board and hoping you’re going to get the second dose in time to give to individuals.”

In its statement, Pfizer said surveillance is needed on any alternative vaccination schedules, and that authorities should work to ensure each recipient is afforded the maximum possible protection.

“Data from the Phase 3 study demonstrated that, although partial protection from the vaccine appears to begin as early as 12 days after the first dose, two doses of the vaccine are required to provide the maximum protection against the disease, a vaccine efficacy of 95%,” Pfizer said in its statement.

An FDA document of frequently asked questions on Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE’s vaccine notes that the agency’s assessment of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine was based on data on patients who received two shots three weeks apart.

SCIENCE said:

Pfizer Backs Two-Dose Shot Schedule as U.K. Spaces Out Shots

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-31/pfizer-backs-two-dose-vaccine-schedule-after-u-k-shift

• FDA raises concerns about focusing on single dose like U.K.
• Pfizer says it’s unknown if protection holds after single dose

Pfizer Inc. said the second dose of its Covid-19 vaccine should be delivered to individuals within the recommended 21-day period, calling into question a decision by the U.K. to space out the dosing regimen.

The U.K. decision not to hold back any of its vaccine supply is aimed at quickly reaching as many high-risk people as possible. Under the government plan, second doses could be administered as many as 12 weeks later, longer than the three-week timing determined as optimal by Pfizer’s late-stage studies and the four weeks suggested for the shot developed by Moderna Inc.

People should get their shots on the recommended schedule, Pfizer said on Thursday, warning “there is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”

Information on the efficacy surrounding a single dose has been misinterpreted, said Peter Marks, director of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s office that oversees vaccines. Relying on one shot, he said, “is concerning.”

Marks’ comments come as the British Medical Association said on Thursday that the U.K.’s decision would require doctors to reschedule appointments for tens of thousands of elderly and vulnerable patients to get their second vaccine doses. The group called the move “grossly unfair.”

Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, also weighed in on the U.K.’s decision in an interview on NBC’s Today Show on Thursday. Spreading out the two doses is “under consideration,” he said, though he didn’t specify by who.

“I still think, if done properly, you can do a single dose, reserve doses for the second dose, and still get the job done,” Fauci said. But he added “you can make an argument, and some people are, about stretching out the doses and giving a single dose across the board and hoping you’re going to get the second dose in time to give to individuals.”

In its statement, Pfizer said surveillance is needed on any alternative vaccination schedules, and that authorities should work to ensure each recipient is afforded the maximum possible protection.

“Data from the Phase 3 study demonstrated that, although partial protection from the vaccine appears to begin as early as 12 days after the first dose, two doses of the vaccine are required to provide the maximum protection against the disease, a vaccine efficacy of 95%,” Pfizer said in its statement.

An FDA document of frequently asked questions on Pfizer and partner BioNTech SE’s vaccine notes that the agency’s assessment of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine was based on data on patients who received two shots three weeks apart.

You can always trust this Tory government to fuck things up by letting politics interfere.

They just want to be seen to be doing something about it, without regard to doing it properly. Spacing out the doses by 12 weeks means they can increase the number of people getting the first dose. So BoJo can stand up in the Commons and quote some impressive number of people who have “received the vaccine” whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that delaying the second dose might render it ineffective or less effective.

Fucking slimy goat- fuckers the lot them, the British Tories.

Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ohio-state-study-30-of-student-athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

The UK have ended 2020 with a new PB on 31 December. 55K new infections.

party_pants said:

The UK have ended 2020 with a new PB on 31 December. 55K new infections.

Is there anyone left in the UK who hasn’t got it?

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The UK have ended 2020 with a new PB on 31 December. 55K new infections.

Is there anyone left in the UK who hasn’t got it?

There must be lots, if the rate of new infections is still climbing.

sarahs mum said:

Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ohio-state-study-30-of-student-athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

Stay Tuned For The Olympics … Soon

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

The UK have ended 2020 with a new PB on 31 December. 55K new infections.

Is there anyone left in the UK who hasn’t got it?

There must be lots, if the rate of new infections is still climbing.

Maybe they’re running out of non-infected, and they’re down to their last couple of hundred thousand.

It’s a living example of the proof of why there’s no such thing as vampires.

Like coronavirus, being ‘infected’ by a vampire (i.e. you become a vampire, too) would be geometrical progression.

If there were such thing as vampires, then by now we’d all be vampires, in the same way as it appears that absolutely everyone in the UK will have/have had coronavirus.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Is there anyone left in the UK who hasn’t got it?

There must be lots, if the rate of new infections is still climbing.

Maybe they’re running out of non-infected, and they’re down to their last couple of hundred thousand.

It’s a living example of the proof of why there’s no such thing as vampires.

Like coronavirus, being ‘infected’ by a vampire (i.e. you become a vampire, too) would be geometrical progression.

If there were such thing as vampires, then by now we’d all be vampires, in the same way as it appears that absolutely everyone in the UK will have/have had coronavirus.

That’s the old “herd immunity” strategy once again. The thing is of all that get it a certain proportion will die. if everyone gets it that number will be rather high. High enough to lose votes. That is without the vaccine of course.

SCIENCE said:

This country has ceased to look like it is playing fair.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

This country has ceased to look like it is playing fair.

Wasn’t always the way.

I knew a cop who arrested John Singleton years ago.

‘You’re under arrest, mate.’

‘I’m John Singleton!’

‘And i’m Constable Andy XXXXXX, and you’re still under arrest, Mr. Singleton.’

sarahs mum said:

Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ohio-state-study-30-of-student-athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

Bugger.

I just checked this area for places to get a test. Casterton was open for a short time today, appointment only. Nothing in Hamilton. Nothing in Warrnambool. Too bad if you have just come home from NSW. I suppose you would have to do it on your way home somewhere. If you knew you couldn’t do it at home. No information on the DHHS website about what is happening over the weekend or next week for testing around here. Mostly it’s just been a couple of hours a day in Hamilton, drive through only.

buffy said:

I just checked this area for places to get a test. Casterton was open for a short time today, appointment only. Nothing in Hamilton. Nothing in Warrnambool. Too bad if you have just come home from NSW. I suppose you would have to do it on your way home somewhere. If you knew you couldn’t do it at home. No information on the DHHS website about what is happening over the weekend or next week for testing around here. Mostly it’s just been a couple of hours a day in Hamilton, drive through only.

Mr Weimar apologised to people who faced long waits or were turned away from testing sites over the past 24 hours.

“We are bringing back a large number of hard working clinical staff from their holidays in order to resource up these testing centres. There were three or four additional testing centres set up yesterday,” he said.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I just checked this area for places to get a test. Casterton was open for a short time today, appointment only. Nothing in Hamilton. Nothing in Warrnambool. Too bad if you have just come home from NSW. I suppose you would have to do it on your way home somewhere. If you knew you couldn’t do it at home. No information on the DHHS website about what is happening over the weekend or next week for testing around here. Mostly it’s just been a couple of hours a day in Hamilton, drive through only.

Mr Weimar apologised to people who faced long waits or were turned away from testing sites over the past 24 hours.

“We are bringing back a large number of hard working clinical staff from their holidays in order to resource up these testing centres. There were three or four additional testing centres set up yesterday,” he said.

There hasn’t been much availability of testing out here in Western Victoria for months. Our last positive test in Hamilton was back in March, so I think people have just gone to their GP if necessary. The drive through at Hamilton Hospital has been doing a couple of hours a day, specified hours for ages. The hours are impossible for anyone who doesn’t have a car and doesn’t live in Hamilton itself. Not much public transport around here.

https://scihub.wikicn.top/10.1038/s41586-020-2550-z

“SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls”

This was published in July. I wonder if they’ve done any more work on it since then. It’s about cross immunity from SARS and other corona viruses.

Went for a a walk with Jellybean. It rained and we got drenched. Lord Mutant offered to come get us and I accepted the offer because my shirt had turned see through…

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33275956/

“Effect of early application of social distancing interventions on COVID-19 mortality over the first pandemic wave: An analysis of longitudinal data from 37 countries “

(I’ve found the PubMed NIH repository of COVID-19 research papers. Many open access. Lots from March/April/May though. Takes some time to find the latest ones)

And here is the address for the latest stuff (publishing date 2021)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid-19&filter=years.2021-2021

buffy said:

And here is the address for the latest stuff (publishing date 2021)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid-19&filter=years.2021-2021

Heaps of good stuff there.

Marketing Morrison Speaks A Load

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-01/morrison-kelly-coronavirus-update-covid19-vaccine-border-closure/13026074

“On the vaccine, you don’t rush the ,” he said. “That’s very dangerous for Australians. Those who suggest that, I think it’s a naive suggestion. “There will be no shortcuts. The standards must be maintained and upheld.” Mr Morrison reiterated that Australia was in a comparatively good position compared to the rest of the world.

In any case, Professor Kelly said the coronavirus vaccine would not be a “magic bullet immediately”.

Mr Morrison said Victoria’s new contact tracing system was showing positive results. “And we are seeing them getting on top of that information very quickly which is assisting them in managing this most recent outbreak in Victoria.”

Of the 217 current active coronavirus cases in Australia, none are in aged care. “We have no active cases in aged care across the entire country, including New South Wales,” the Prime Minister said.

Of Sensible Stuff For Once

even if mixed in with the usual BS

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32829260/

“Correlation of ambient temperature and COVID-19 incidence in Canada”

buffy said:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32829260/

“Correlation of ambient temperature and COVID-19 incidence in Canada”

There’s a lot of Chinese names there, hard to be sure you can trust all that evidence. ⚠ this post may contain satirical elements

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The SARS-CoV-2 is a novel coronavirus identified as the cause of COVID-19 and, as the pandemic evolves, many have made parallels to previous epidemics such as SARS-CoV (the cause of an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome ) in 2003. Many have speculated that, like SARS, the activity of SARS-CoV-2 will subside when the climate becomes warmer. We sought to determine the relationship between ambient temperature and COVID-19 incidence in Canada. We analyzed over 77,700 COVID-19 cases from four Canadian provinces (Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario, and Quebec) from January to May 2020. After adjusting for precipitation, wind gust speed, and province in multiple linear regression models, we found a positive, but not statistically significant, association between cumulative incidence and ambient temperature (14.2 per 100,000 people; 95%CI: -0.60-29.0). We also did not find a statistically significant association between total cases or effective reproductive number of COVID-19 and ambient temperature. Our findings do not support the hypothesis that higher temperatures will reduce transmission of COVID-19 and warns the public not to lose vigilance and to continue practicing safety measures such as hand washing, social distancing, and use of facial masks despite the warming climates.

Absolute temperature may not play a significant roll in its transmission, but I would bet money that relative temperature would.
Ever been at a bus stop in one of the capital cities on a (relatively) cold day and have half of your fellow passengers wiping their noses from the cold wind?

Leaking bodily fluids are ungood.

Sometimes I wonder how people think of their research topics in the first place. Milk? Who went – let’s see if milk is involved?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33012988/

“Understanding the role of milk in regulating human homeostasis in the context of the COVID-19 global pandemic”

(You can read the whole papers if you click on PMC full text button on the top right. If you want to see all the reasoning and parameters and methods and stuff)

We don’t always agree with doctors but these fellas seem to say it like it is today.

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Australia’s peak medical group says the NSWuhan government has put the rest of the country at risk by its decision not to go “hard and early” in its response to the outbreak on Sydney’s northern beaches, which is suspected to have seeded cases in Victoria.

Victorians have been warned to expect more coronavirus cases in the days to come, as the state’s health authorities attempt to establish how far the virus had spread and thousands of Victorian holidaymakers rushed back from NSWuhan and into home isolation before a hard border closure.

The Victorian outbreak grew to 10 on Friday. Two more cases were linked to a suspected transmission event at the Smile Buffalo Thai restaurant in Melbourne’s Black Rock.

Australian Medical Association vice-president Chris Moy said the NSWuhan government was “playing the odds” by relying heavily on the state’s much-vaunted contact tracing system instead of imposing a quick lockdown to stop the seeding across Sydney and now, it is suspected, to Victoria.

Mr Weimar said there was a “great cause for concern” that there may be cases across the state that authorities were unaware of and he urged people to get tested if they reported symptoms regardless of where they lived

“We have returning travellers from NSWuhan across our entire state,” he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw-put-rest-of-country-at-risk-by-playing-the-odds-on-masks-ama-says-20210101-p56r91.html

Ah Jesus…

Rule 303 said:

Ah Jesus…

China doesn’t appear in that ‘Top 20’.

Given the recent news that coronavirus cases in Wuhan may actually be up to 10 times as many as have been reported/recorded, i wonder where China would sit if accurate figures for the whole country were available?

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

Ah Jesus…

China doesn’t appear in that ‘Top 20’.

Given the recent news that coronavirus cases in Wuhan may actually be up to 10 times as many as have been reported/recorded, i wonder where China would sit if accurate figures for the whole country were available?

Nor those damned Swedes.

;)

I prefer to look at the deaths per million population. They are figures you know fairly certainly, even though different countries have different definitions of a death from/with COVID19. (Number of cases depends on how hard you look for them. Dead ones are dead. And the asymptomatic aspect of this complicates things quite a lot) The Swedes are losing place on that table. Down at number 26 now.

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

The ABC’s Norman Swan believes if NSW is to act based on the “precautionary principle”, now is the time to lock down Greater Sydney for a fortnight.

“You’ve now got this virus seeded throughout Greater Sydney, you’ve got a problem in Wollongong, the numbers will go up and down,” he said.

“It’s one incubation period after Christmas, so you’d expect a spike around about now — and that’s a springboard for New Year’s Eve as well.”

Dr Swan said modelling from the University of Sydney’s professor Mikhail Prokopenko showed every day a lockdown was delayed represented a full week at the other end of the outbreak, in terms of getting the cases under control.

He said masks should also be mandated and the experiences in Victoria, as well as overseas in Israel, the UK and US, showed “half-hearted measures” did not work.

“We’ve been relying in NSW on the absolutely fantastic work of contact tracers,” he said.

“It is truly amazing … but it won’t take long for that to be overwhelmed.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/croydon-outbreak-eased-christmas-covid-restrictions-question/13022178

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

NSW and Vic: go home. Stay home. Leave home only to go to work or for strictly essential needs. Observe all coronavirus precautions. All of them. All the time. Do not leave your home States. Don’t even think about it. For at least six months.

That is all.

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

Indeed.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Tbh I’m surprised Qld haven’t reported an outbreak.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Give an inch, take a mile.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

What is wrong with taking a Victorian holiday?

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

How irresponsible!

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

Well, if they don’t leave Victoria, then they’d only have other Victorians to whom they can describe how superior Victoria is, and other Victorians already know that, so…

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

What is wrong with taking a Victorian holiday?

The place is full of Victorians.

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

How irresponsible!

What happened to the idea of a royal commission into the Murdoch media?

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

What is wrong with taking a Victorian holiday?

The place is full of Victorians.

Yeah, well there is that.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

in fairness closing your borders isn’t going to stop local transmission

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

How irresponsible!

What happened to the idea of a royal commission into the Murdoch media?

That idea undoubtedly provided a few laughs at the Murdoch’s Xmas party a few weeks back, but it’s last year’s joke now.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

in fairness closing your borders isn’t going to stop local transmission

That’s not the reason for closing the borders.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-02/victorian-coronavirus-outbreak-testing-sites-melbourne/13026606

Sooo many people who went to NSW knowing there was a growing problem there.

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

Well, apparently Victoria got clean. If you want to play this silly game – the “clean” Victorians picked it up this time from the NSW people.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Thing that gets me is that Victorians seem desperate to get out of there for a holiday despite whatever warning signs may be visible.

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

But they had to go to visit the rellies, because there was no way on Earth the rellies were going to go to Victoria.

Sorry about that.

Hit ‘submit’ instead of ‘quote’.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

Nope.

And people still panic buy whenever a new lockdown is announced.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

Well, apparently Victoria got clean. If you want to play this silly game – the “clean” Victorians picked it up this time from the NSW people.

But they didn’t have to come up here and take it back did they? In fact I’m reasonably sure they were told not to.

captain_spalding said:

Sorry about that.

Hit ‘submit’ instead of ‘quote’.

Never ever submit. Stand up for yourself. ;)

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

Nope.

And people still panic buy whenever a new lockdown is announced.

Forests will be razed for the demand on the bigger packets of the old date roll.

Ooh, this one is interesting (I’m back in the research papers)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32720703/

“High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza A virus (H1N1) coinfection in dead patients in Northeastern Iran “

>> We found coinfection with influenza virus in 22.3%, RSV, and bocavirus in 9.7%, parainfluenza viruses in 3.9%, human metapneumovirus in 2.9%, and finally adenovirus in 1.9% of SARS-CoV-2 positive dead cases. Our findings highlight a high prevalence of coinfection with influenza A virus and the monopoly of coinfection with Human metapneumovirus in children. <<

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

Well, apparently Victoria got clean. If you want to play this silly game – the “clean” Victorians picked it up this time from the NSW people.

But… Blamestorming is such fun!

buffy said:

Ooh, this one is interesting (I’m back in the research papers)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32720703/

“High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza A virus (H1N1) coinfection in dead patients in Northeastern Iran “

>> We found coinfection with influenza virus in 22.3%, RSV, and bocavirus in 9.7%, parainfluenza viruses in 3.9%, human metapneumovirus in 2.9%, and finally adenovirus in 1.9% of SARS-CoV-2 positive dead cases. Our findings highlight a high prevalence of coinfection with influenza A virus and the monopoly of coinfection with Human metapneumovirus in children. <<

That sounds quite interesting and it seems to make sense.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Seems to me it was largely people visiting rellies for Christmas. According to the people on the news stories.

Yes but but.. Victoria suffered the worst in the last wave. Didn’t anyone learn from it?

Well, apparently Victoria got clean. If you want to play this silly game – the “clean” Victorians picked it up this time from the NSW people.

¿ref

buffy said:

Ooh, this one is interesting (I’m back in the research papers)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32720703/

“High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza A virus (H1N1) coinfection in dead patients in Northeastern Iran “

>> We found coinfection with influenza virus in 22.3%, RSV, and bocavirus in 9.7%, parainfluenza viruses in 3.9%, human metapneumovirus in 2.9%, and finally adenovirus in 1.9% of SARS-CoV-2 positive dead cases. Our findings highlight a high prevalence of coinfection with influenza A virus and the monopoly of coinfection with Human metapneumovirus in children. <<

so children spread virus, and more viruses help each other spread in children

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Ooh, this one is interesting (I’m back in the research papers)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32720703/

“High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza A virus (H1N1) coinfection in dead patients in Northeastern Iran “

>> We found coinfection with influenza virus in 22.3%, RSV, and bocavirus in 9.7%, parainfluenza viruses in 3.9%, human metapneumovirus in 2.9%, and finally adenovirus in 1.9% of SARS-CoV-2 positive dead cases. Our findings highlight a high prevalence of coinfection with influenza A virus and the monopoly of coinfection with Human metapneumovirus in children. <<

so children spread virus, and more viruses help each other spread in children

Um, no. It says in adults a high rate of co-infection with ‘Flu A and in children co-infection with metapheumovirus.

Another one:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32963115/

“Upper respiratory viral load in asymptomatic individuals and mildly symptomatic patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection “

>> Asymptomatic individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection have viable viral loads and have been linked to several transmission cases. However, data on the viral loads in such individuals are lacking. We assessed the viral loads in asymptomatic individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection in comparison with those in symptomatic patients with COVID-19.

…..

Approximately one-fifth of the individuals without severe symptoms were asymptomatic, and their viral loads were comparable to those in symptomatic patients. A large proportion of mildly symptomatic patients with COVID-19 or asymptomatic individuals with SARS-CoV-2 showed persistent positive upper respiratory RT-PCR results at follow-up. <<

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Ooh, this one is interesting (I’m back in the research papers)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32720703/

“High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza A virus (H1N1) coinfection in dead patients in Northeastern Iran “

>> We found coinfection with influenza virus in 22.3%, RSV, and bocavirus in 9.7%, parainfluenza viruses in 3.9%, human metapneumovirus in 2.9%, and finally adenovirus in 1.9% of SARS-CoV-2 positive dead cases. Our findings highlight a high prevalence of coinfection with influenza A virus and the monopoly of coinfection with Human metapneumovirus in children. <<

so children spread virus, and more viruses help each other spread in children

Um, no. It says in adults a high rate of co-infection with ‘Flu A and in children co-infection with metapheumovirus.

ok good point revised

since we know that the careful population have eliminated ‘flu’, yet the above population seem not to have

so selfish pricks who spread COVID-19 also spread ‘flu’, and more viruses help each other spread

and children are just as effective at causing outbreaks

And the Italian study showing it was in various places in Italy prior to the first recognized cases is now published:

Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32835962/

“SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating in northern Italy since December 2019: Evidence from environmental monitoring “

Full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7428442/

buffy said:

And the Italian study showing it was in various places in Italy prior to the first recognized cases is now published:

Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32835962/

“SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating in northern Italy since December 2019: Evidence from environmental monitoring “

Full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7428442/

wonder how much CHINA paid them to say all that

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

On the flip side every time I turn on the ABC they are interviewing an ‘expert’ saying how Gladys has got it all wrong.

Asymptomatic carriers.

Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33335578/

“Clinical characteristics and infectivity of asymptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2 (Review)”

Full paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7739853/

>>8. Conclusions

Based on the literature, the present review identified that the proportion of asymptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2 in all infections varies significantly between different studies, but asymptomatic infection may be correlated with age. Among the young population, the proportion of asymptomatic carriers may be increased. There is no uniform pattern of laboratory and radiological findings in asymptomatic carriers, and some asymptomatic carriers may have completely normal chest CT and laboratory results. It is almost certain that asymptomatic carriers can transmit SARS-CoV-2, but they may have a decreased risk of transmission compared with symptomatic patients. At present, the management of asymptomatic carriers should become a focus of epidemic prevention, particularly in countries with stable epidemics. Dual detection of serum antibodies and nucleic acids in high-risk areas and high-risk groups and quarantining for at least 14 days is recommended following diagnosis as an asymptomatic carrier.<<

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Victoria records 10 new locally acquired coronavirus infections, two in hotel quarantine

Fuckity!

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

On the flip side every time I turn on the ABC they are interviewing an ‘expert’ saying how Gladys has got it all wrong.

False equivalence fallacy – Gladys has actually got it all wrong.

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

The Murdoch media attack on Vic for closing the borders was relentless last night.

On the flip side every time I turn on the ABC they are interviewing an ‘expert’ saying how Gladys has got it all wrong.

False equivalence fallacy – Gladys has actually got it all wrong.

Be a brave man to predict the future with this virus but so far she’s got it all right.

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

On the flip side every time I turn on the ABC they are interviewing an ‘expert’ saying how Gladys has got it all wrong.

False equivalence fallacy – Gladys has actually got it all wrong.

Be a brave man to predict the future with this virus but so far she’s got it all right.

My point being that the relentless peppering in the Murdoch media with Vox Pop interviews featuring complaints about the ‘sudden’ and inconvenient closure on the border is not equivalent to the ABC showing interviews with experts. It’s not sensible to suggest one is the ‘flip side’ of the other, because one is the consensus position of experts, the other is a political hatchet job.

This one is an overview and takes a bit of reading.

“A Comprehensive Review of Coronavirus Disease 2019: Epidemiology, Transmission, Risk Factors, and International Responses”

https://www.eymj.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3349/ymj.2021.62.1.1

I’m still in the research papers. I had read about proning in ICU. Here is a paper about it.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0885066620980399?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed&

“Prone Positioning in Moderate to Severe Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome Due to COVID-19: A Cohort Study and Analysis of Physiology “

buffy said:

I’m still in the research papers. I had read about proning in ICU. Here is a paper about it.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0885066620980399?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed&

“Prone Positioning in Moderate to Severe Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome Due to COVID-19: A Cohort Study and Analysis of Physiology “

having just had some kind of respiratory infection and secretions making their way to the throat we can say, they do seem to clear more easily if we lie prone as compared to supine

Mr Foley said genomic sequencing tests had established all of Victoria’s outbreak cases were “directly linked to the New South Wales cluster”.

“The genomic proof is in the pudding. This cluster originated from the combined North Shore-Croydon outbreak. That is the science,” Mr Foley said.

“It is up to both Victoria and New South Wales to work together to get on top of it.”

Mr Foley said it was “regrettable” that the NSW outbreak had spread to Victoria, but he was “not here to criticise any other jurisdiction”.

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don’t worry leave that to Marketing Scotty, he’ll find a way to make Gladys look wronged and blame it all on Dan, that’s the way it should be #GladysTheCovidiot

From 11:59pm Saturday, the 180,000 residents living south of the Narrabreen Bridge will be subjected to the same provisions as Greater Sydney, Wollongong, Central Coast and Nepean Blue Mountains.

“You do not have to comply with the stay-at-home conditions,” Ms Berejiklian said.

“Thankfully, according to the health advice, the risk of transmission in that part of the northern beaches has dissipated.”

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thankfully, she’s absolutely fucking right, it’s dissipated into the rest of her state (oh no) and too VIC (woo hoo see told you it’s Dan’s fault)

takes a big breath

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2hours ago
By Nicholas McElroy

NSW Premier going on leave from next week

Ms Berejiklian:

“Can I also briefly say that next week I will be taking some leave, and it is not something I like to do but feel I have to do to be at the top of my game not having had a break in 18 months,” she said.

“If there is any to come back and be on the deck I will but I just want to thank everybody for your support and appreciate your understanding. I will see you all in a week if not beforehand.”

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probably won’t notice any difference, Scotty running the show anyway

https://9now.nine.com.au/today/coronavirus-nsw-hillsong-founder-claims-covid-restrictions-border-on-discrimination/5d0368c5-69bd-424f-b997-6e49dba37372

Hillsong founder blasts NSW government over COVID-19 church rules

A Service NSW outlet, an Officeworks store and a Hillsong Church campus are among the latest venues to be added to a growing list of Sydney locations exposed to COVID-19.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/service-nsw-and-officeworks-among-new-sydney-venues-on-alert-c-1878020

let’s go this should be a fun one

SCIENCE said:

https://9now.nine.com.au/today/coronavirus-nsw-hillsong-founder-claims-covid-restrictions-border-on-discrimination/5d0368c5-69bd-424f-b997-6e49dba37372

Hillsong founder blasts NSW government over COVID-19 church rules

A Service NSW outlet, an Officeworks store and a Hillsong Church campus are among the latest venues to be added to a growing list of Sydney locations exposed to COVID-19.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/service-nsw-and-officeworks-among-new-sydney-venues-on-alert-c-1878020

let’s go this should be a fun one

Poor old Hillsong, this must be playing havoc with their business model.
Have to giggle at the last bit of the quote from Heuston though-
“Some people wouldn’t feel ready to come back yet, wouldn’t feel safe. Other people are dying to get back there.”

SCIENCE said:

https://9now.nine.com.au/today/coronavirus-nsw-hillsong-founder-claims-covid-restrictions-border-on-discrimination/5d0368c5-69bd-424f-b997-6e49dba37372

Hillsong founder blasts NSW government over COVID-19 church rules

A Service NSW outlet, an Officeworks store and a Hillsong Church campus are among the latest venues to be added to a growing list of Sydney locations exposed to COVID-19.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/service-nsw-and-officeworks-among-new-sydney-venues-on-alert-c-1878020

let’s go this should be a fun one

Brian Houston

It’s interesting that he is a spokesman who is also not involved in the church depending on what the subject matter is.

Indonesian scientists have developed a simple breathalyser test that they say can electronically “smell’ coronavirus and detect infection in under two minutes.

The GeNose C-19 device uses artificial intelligence — in the form of an electronic nose — to analyse a breath sample and identify elements that are unique to COVID-19.

The Indonesian Government last week granted a distribution permit for GeNose and hopes to roll out thousands of the devices by February.

The aim is that this will increase mass testing of coronavirus at hospitals, airports, seaports and other public places in the world’s fourth most populous country.
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If it works it could be a game changer.

Peak Warming Man said:

Indonesian scientists have developed a simple breathalyser test that they say can electronically “smell’ coronavirus and detect infection in under two minutes.

The GeNose C-19 device uses artificial intelligence — in the form of an electronic nose — to analyse a breath sample and identify elements that are unique to COVID-19.

The Indonesian Government last week granted a distribution permit for GeNose and hopes to roll out thousands of the devices by February.

The aim is that this will increase mass testing of coronavirus at hospitals, airports, seaports and other public places in the world’s fourth most populous country.
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If it works it could be a game changer.

Ooh, I think I saw that paper earlier today when I was going through the PubMed listing. I didn’t click on it. There are 2,500 papers in the January 2021 publications list. Could be more a few hours on.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Indonesian scientists have developed a simple breathalyser test that they say can electronically “smell’ coronavirus and detect infection in under two minutes.

The GeNose C-19 device uses artificial intelligence — in the form of an electronic nose — to analyse a breath sample and identify elements that are unique to COVID-19.

The Indonesian Government last week granted a distribution permit for GeNose and hopes to roll out thousands of the devices by February.

The aim is that this will increase mass testing of coronavirus at hospitals, airports, seaports and other public places in the world’s fourth most populous country.
————————-

If it works it could be a game changer.

Ooh, I think I saw that paper earlier today when I was going through the PubMed listing. I didn’t click on it. There are 2,500 papers in the January 2021 publications list. Could be more a few hours on.

Nice

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Indonesian scientists have developed a simple breathalyser test that they say can electronically “smell’ coronavirus and detect infection in under two minutes.

The GeNose C-19 device uses artificial intelligence — in the form of an electronic nose — to analyse a breath sample and identify elements that are unique to COVID-19.

The Indonesian Government last week granted a distribution permit for GeNose and hopes to roll out thousands of the devices by February.

The aim is that this will increase mass testing of coronavirus at hospitals, airports, seaports and other public places in the world’s fourth most populous country.
————————-

If it works it could be a game changer.

Ooh, I think I saw that paper earlier today when I was going through the PubMed listing. I didn’t click on it. There are 2,500 papers in the January 2021 publications list. Could be more a few hours on.

Here is the university press release. I haven’t found the paper yet.

https://www.ugm.ac.id/en/news/20055-ugm-innovation-genose-covid-19-detection-through-breathing

Mushrooms for COVID-19. Those Scandinavian rascals!

Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32657436/

“Can medicinal mushrooms have prophylactic or therapeutic effect against COVID-19 and its pneumonic superinfection and complicating inflammation? “

Full paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7404338/

buffy said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Indonesian scientists have developed a simple breathalyser test that they say can electronically “smell’ coronavirus and detect infection in under two minutes.

The GeNose C-19 device uses artificial intelligence — in the form of an electronic nose — to analyse a breath sample and identify elements that are unique to COVID-19.

The Indonesian Government last week granted a distribution permit for GeNose and hopes to roll out thousands of the devices by February.

The aim is that this will increase mass testing of coronavirus at hospitals, airports, seaports and other public places in the world’s fourth most populous country.
————————-

If it works it could be a game changer.

Ooh, I think I saw that paper earlier today when I was going through the PubMed listing. I didn’t click on it. There are 2,500 papers in the January 2021 publications list. Could be more a few hours on.

Here is the university press release. I haven’t found the paper yet.

https://www.ugm.ac.id/en/news/20055-ugm-innovation-genose-covid-19-detection-through-breathing

Even if all it does is give no false negatives (arbitrarily many false positives) then that would greatly speed up testing, perhaps by a factor of a hundred, by reducing the number of people needing to undergo PCR testing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7676320/

“Do we need a contact tracing app?”

>>Abstract

The goal of this paper is to shed some light on the usefulness of a contact tracing smartphone app for the containment of the COVID-19 pandemic. We review the basics of contact tracing during the spread of a virus, we contextualize the numbers to the case of COVID-19 and we analyze the state of the art for proximity detection using Bluetooth Low Energy. Our contribution is to assess if there is scientific evidence of the benefit of a contact tracing app in slowing down the spread of the virus using present technologies. Our conclusion is that such evidence is lacking, and we should re-think the introduction of such a privacy-invasive measure.<<

I think this one might have been a bit confounded by the US election year.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7204738/

“Gun violence during COVID-19 pandemic: Paradoxical trends in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles and Baltimore”

buffy said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7676320/

“Do we need a contact tracing app?”

>>Abstract

The goal of this paper is to shed some light on the usefulness of a contact tracing smartphone app for the containment of the COVID-19 pandemic. We review the basics of contact tracing during the spread of a virus, we contextualize the numbers to the case of COVID-19 and we analyze the state of the art for proximity detection using Bluetooth Low Energy. Our contribution is to assess if there is scientific evidence of the benefit of a contact tracing app in slowing down the spread of the virus using present technologies. Our conclusion is that such evidence is lacking, and we should re-think the introduction of such a privacy-invasive measure.<<

but what if you’re some kind of national leader and your friends work in IT, the real question is do they need big payments for an unproven contract tracing app, and the answer is obviously yes

buffy said:

I think this one might have been a bit confounded by the US election year.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7204738/

“Gun violence during COVID-19 pandemic: Paradoxical trends in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles and Baltimore”

how is it paradoxical, we already know that COVID-19 turns right leaners into absolute fucking fascist arseholes oh wait it’s ANTIFA terrorising all the Good Honest Americans never mind

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7434409/

“The impact of COVID-19 pandemic on hand hygiene performance in hospitals”

Spoiler…they got better and then they slipped back.

buffy said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7434409/

“The impact of COVID-19 pandemic on hand hygiene performance in hospitals”

Spoiler…they got better and then they slipped back.

ah the V shaped recovery

SCIENCE said:

John Ioannidis:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109×(20)30466-6/fulltext

“Does the COVID-19 pandemic provide an opportunity to eliminate the tobacco industry?”

buffy said:

John Ioannidis:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109×(20)30466-6/fulltext

“Does the COVID-19 pandemic provide an opportunity to eliminate the tobacco industry?”

please eradicate influenza as well

They are frontline workers with top-priority access to the COVID-19 vaccine, but they are refusing to take it.

At St. Elizabeth Community Hospital in Tehama County, fewer than half of the 700 hospital workers eligible for the vaccine were willing to take the shot when it was first offered. At Providence Holy Cross Medical Center in Mission Hills, one in five frontline nurses and doctors have declined the shot. Roughly 20% to 40% of L.A. County’s frontline workers who were offered the vaccine did the same, according to county public health officials.

So many frontline workers in Riverside County have refused the vaccine — an estimated 50% — that hospital and public officials met to strategize how best to distribute the unused doses, Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari said.

The vaccine doubts swirling among healthcare workers across the country come as a surprise to researchers, who assumed hospital staff would be among those most in tune with the scientific data backing the vaccines.

more..
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-31/healthcare-workers-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-access

sarahs mum said:

They are frontline workers with top-priority access to the COVID-19 vaccine, but they are refusing to take it.

At St. Elizabeth Community Hospital in Tehama County, fewer than half of the 700 hospital workers eligible for the vaccine were willing to take the shot when it was first offered. At Providence Holy Cross Medical Center in Mission Hills, one in five frontline nurses and doctors have declined the shot. Roughly 20% to 40% of L.A. County’s frontline workers who were offered the vaccine did the same, according to county public health officials.

So many frontline workers in Riverside County have refused the vaccine — an estimated 50% — that hospital and public officials met to strategize how best to distribute the unused doses, Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari said.

The vaccine doubts swirling among healthcare workers across the country come as a surprise to researchers, who assumed hospital staff would be among those most in tune with the scientific data backing the vaccines.

more..
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-31/healthcare-workers-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-access

Professional inertia. There’s an old saying among GPs that you don’t give a patient a new drug within the first five years of it hitting the market – Or the first ten for family.

Rule 303 said:

Professional inertia. There’s an old saying among GPs that you don’t give a patient a new drug within the first five years of it hitting the market – Or the first ten for family.

Murderer.

690,000 – deaths from AIDS in 2019.

What is the most efficient way to move a 4km long queue of cars

Move slowly car bumper to car bumper or wait a bit then catch up?

The vaccine doubts swirling among healthcare workers across the country come as a surprise to researchers, who assumed hospital staff would be among those most in tune with the scientific data backing the vaccines.

LOL

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is the most efficient way to move a 4km long queue of cars

Move slowly car bumper to car bumper or wait a bit then catch up?

Human drivers?

Human drivers don’t do close spacing, they prefer a bit of a gap.

Covid19 worldwide cases 84M 2020

Covid19 worldwide deaths 1.83M 2020

Covid19 worldwide recovered 47.3M 2020