14th of Jan it is.
Incumbent-: Old as Methuselah, been doing the job for near 40 years, heaps of experience
Challenger-: Bobi Wine, punk rock musician, knows bugger all about anything, probably a drug addict.

The story so far.
Bobi held a rally and 50 of his supporters where shot dead by police, and fair enough too, no way they were keeping 1.5 metres.
Claims and counter claims flying around, rumours of rumours, name calling, waterboarding, finger pointing, that sort of thing.
Some say the incumbent is best placed to speak on the same level with Joe Biden, possibly early onset.
Should be a ripper.
.

Peak Warming Man said:

14th of Jan it is.
Incumbent-: Old as Methuselah, been doing the job for near 40 years, heaps of experience
Challenger-: Bobi Wine, punk rock musician, knows bugger all about anything, probably a drug addict.

The story so far.
Bobi held a rally and 50 of his supporters where shot dead by police, and fair enough too, no way they were keeping 1.5 metres.
Claims and counter claims flying around, rumours of rumours, name calling, waterboarding, finger pointing, that sort of thing.
Some say the incumbent is best placed to speak on the same level with Joe Biden, possibly early onset.
Should be a ripper.
.

Cant wait until Bobi gets shot, rubs hands, should be soon. I have this terrible bad news addiction.

Up date.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55353891

Peak Warming Man said:

Up date.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55353891

Sorry, that should be update.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Up date.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55353891

Sorry, that should be update.

Anyone’s better than Idi.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Up date.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55353891

Sorry, that should be update.

Anyone’s better than Idi.

Amen.

Woodie said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Sorry, that should be update.

Anyone’s better than Idi.

Amen.

“Baddest man there’s ever been”

Woodie said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Sorry, that should be update.

Anyone’s better than Idi.

Amen.

hehe

“Facebook has shut a slew of accounts belonging to Ugandan government officials, accusing them of “co-ordinated inauthentic behaviour” in the public debate ahead of Thursday’s election.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

Peak Warming Man said:

“Facebook has shut a slew of accounts belonging to Ugandan government officials, accusing them of “co-ordinated inauthentic behaviour” in the public debate ahead of Thursday’s election.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

What’s changed? The willingness of people in the political arena to step well beyond rhetoric and into the mass dissemination of highly targeted and co-ordinated disinformation. The exploitation of unmoderated media platforms for the purpose of spreading propaganda. The removal of accountability in public discourse.

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Facebook has shut a slew of accounts belonging to Ugandan government officials, accusing them of “co-ordinated inauthentic behaviour” in the public debate ahead of Thursday’s election.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

What’s changed? The willingness of people in the political arena to step well beyond rhetoric and into the mass dissemination of highly targeted and co-ordinated disinformation. The exploitation of unmoderated media platforms for the purpose of spreading propaganda. The removal of accountability in public discourse.

All social media is about information gathering and on-selling, social conscience is an after thought

Cymek said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Facebook has shut a slew of accounts belonging to Ugandan government officials, accusing them of “co-ordinated inauthentic behaviour” in the public debate ahead of Thursday’s election.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

What’s changed? The willingness of people in the political arena to step well beyond rhetoric and into the mass dissemination of highly targeted and co-ordinated disinformation. The exploitation of unmoderated media platforms for the purpose of spreading propaganda. The removal of accountability in public discourse.

All social media is about information gathering and on-selling, social conscience is an after thought

Freedom Of Speech Is Overriding

Peak Warming Man said:

.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

By doing nothing, Facebook becomes an unwitting player in the political scene. You can’t have a platform for completely free speech because will will abuse it to tell lies. In order to remain neutral you must become an arbiter of truth. The philosophy of free speech cannot be put into practice in the real world.

It’s the same for online pornography platforms being used to publish sex tapes as a form of revenge or humiliation, or acts which were not consensual, or involving people underage. The platform can’t take a back seat and say we’re only providing the platform we’re not policing the content. The content must be policed or else they become part of the problem.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

By doing nothing, Facebook becomes an unwitting player in the political scene. You can’t have a platform for completely free speech because will will abuse it to tell lies. In order to remain neutral you must become an arbiter of truth. The philosophy of free speech cannot be put into practice in the real world.

It’s the same for online pornography platforms being used to publish sex tapes as a form of revenge or humiliation, or acts which were not consensual, or involving people underage. The platform can’t take a back seat and say we’re only providing the platform we’re not policing the content. The content must be policed or else they become part of the problem.

hear hear.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

By doing nothing, Facebook becomes an unwitting player in the political scene. You can’t have a platform for completely free speech because will will abuse it to tell lies. In order to remain neutral you must become an arbiter of truth. The philosophy of free speech cannot be put into practice in the real world.

It’s the same for online pornography platforms being used to publish sex tapes as a form of revenge or humiliation, or acts which were not consensual, or involving people underage. The platform can’t take a back seat and say we’re only providing the platform we’re not policing the content. The content must be policed or else they become part of the problem.

but revenge porn is actually illegal… this is not up to the platform providers discretion, it is actually a compliance with the law thing. For most countries, spreading of information (however erroneous) is not actually illegal..

Arts said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

By doing nothing, Facebook becomes an unwitting player in the political scene. You can’t have a platform for completely free speech because will will abuse it to tell lies. In order to remain neutral you must become an arbiter of truth. The philosophy of free speech cannot be put into practice in the real world.

It’s the same for online pornography platforms being used to publish sex tapes as a form of revenge or humiliation, or acts which were not consensual, or involving people underage. The platform can’t take a back seat and say we’re only providing the platform we’re not policing the content. The content must be policed or else they become part of the problem.

but revenge porn is actually illegal… this is not up to the platform providers discretion, it is actually a compliance with the law thing. For most countries, spreading of information (however erroneous) is not actually illegal..

It is now. But they used the same arguments against to justify not doing anything. They have only been forced into it by legislation.

Maybe it is not a very good comparison but that wasn’t really the point. On the free speech thing, nobody seems to willing to accept that free speech can be abused. if it can be abused it must be regulated. The invention of social media has changed the world in that unfettered free speech is no longer a good thing. This is the legacy of social media. It won’t be long now till we’ll start saying:

Only liars love free speech.

shrug carrying guns around not on active service is legal in some jurisdictions

Cymek said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Facebook has shut a slew of accounts belonging to Ugandan government officials, accusing them of “co-ordinated inauthentic behaviour” in the public debate ahead of Thursday’s election.
Mark Zuckerberg has long insisted that the platform he founded has to allow all forms of free speech and cannot become an arbiter of political conversations.
So what has changed? The truth is that the platform has increasingly focused on misinformation in recent years but the violence and chaos witnessed at the heart of the US government in recent days have forced it to speed up these attempts, and make some pretty big decisions.
The days of describing itself as a mere conduit for content seem to be well and truly over.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55623722

What’s changed? The willingness of people in the political arena to step well beyond rhetoric and into the mass dissemination of highly targeted and co-ordinated disinformation. The exploitation of unmoderated media platforms for the purpose of spreading propaganda. The removal of accountability in public discourse.

All social media is about information gathering and on-selling, social conscience is an after thought

My cynical side tells me the appearance of a social conscience is making a virtue of necessity.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

party_pants said:

By doing nothing, Facebook becomes an unwitting player in the political scene. You can’t have a platform for completely free speech because will will abuse it to tell lies. In order to remain neutral you must become an arbiter of truth. The philosophy of free speech cannot be put into practice in the real world.

It’s the same for online pornography platforms being used to publish sex tapes as a form of revenge or humiliation, or acts which were not consensual, or involving people underage. The platform can’t take a back seat and say we’re only providing the platform we’re not policing the content. The content must be policed or else they become part of the problem.

but revenge porn is actually illegal… this is not up to the platform providers discretion, it is actually a compliance with the law thing. For most countries, spreading of information (however erroneous) is not actually illegal..

It is now. But they used the same arguments against to justify not doing anything. They have only been forced into it by legislation.

Maybe it is not a very good comparison but that wasn’t really the point. On the free speech thing, nobody seems to willing to accept that free speech can be abused. if it can be abused it must be regulated. The invention of social media has changed the world in that unfettered free speech is no longer a good thing. This is the legacy of social media. It won’t be long now till we’ll start saying:

Only liars love free speech.

“free speech” is a myth, just like “free markets”.

There are no basic principles at stake, the question is where to draw the line, that’s all.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Arts said:

but revenge porn is actually illegal… this is not up to the platform providers discretion, it is actually a compliance with the law thing. For most countries, spreading of information (however erroneous) is not actually illegal..

It is now. But they used the same arguments against to justify not doing anything. They have only been forced into it by legislation.

Maybe it is not a very good comparison but that wasn’t really the point. On the free speech thing, nobody seems to willing to accept that free speech can be abused. if it can be abused it must be regulated. The invention of social media has changed the world in that unfettered free speech is no longer a good thing. This is the legacy of social media. It won’t be long now till we’ll start saying:

Only liars love free speech.

“free speech” is a myth, just like “free markets”.

There are no basic principles at stake, the question is where to draw the line, that’s all.

Free speech really should only apply to people wanting the same equality as the majority have and anything seeking to repress freedoms or hate promotion shouldn’t, if it was extended to non evidence based claims the world would be very quiet

Cymek said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

It is now. But they used the same arguments against to justify not doing anything. They have only been forced into it by legislation.

Maybe it is not a very good comparison but that wasn’t really the point. On the free speech thing, nobody seems to willing to accept that free speech can be abused. if it can be abused it must be regulated. The invention of social media has changed the world in that unfettered free speech is no longer a good thing. This is the legacy of social media. It won’t be long now till we’ll start saying:

Only liars love free speech.

“free speech” is a myth, just like “free markets”.

There are no basic principles at stake, the question is where to draw the line, that’s all.

Free speech really should only apply to people wanting the same equality as the majority have and anything seeking to repress freedoms or hate promotion shouldn’t, if it was extended to non evidence based claims the world would be very quiet

free speech is fine, it’s the lack of critical thinking that I find offensive…

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Arts said:

but revenge porn is actually illegal… this is not up to the platform providers discretion, it is actually a compliance with the law thing. For most countries, spreading of information (however erroneous) is not actually illegal..

It is now. But they used the same arguments against to justify not doing anything. They have only been forced into it by legislation.

Maybe it is not a very good comparison but that wasn’t really the point. On the free speech thing, nobody seems to willing to accept that free speech can be abused. if it can be abused it must be regulated. The invention of social media has changed the world in that unfettered free speech is no longer a good thing. This is the legacy of social media. It won’t be long now till we’ll start saying:

Only liars love free speech.

“free speech” is a myth, just like “free markets”.

There are no basic principles at stake, the question is where to draw the line, that’s all.

I am beginning to think this way too. I was of a mind once where free speech was a sacred founding principle of democracy.

speech is after all a form of action

SCIENCE said:

speech is after all a form of action

That’s my line

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

speech is after all a form of action

That’s my line

Speech generally precedes action.

Trumpers aren’t a lost cause. If Biden can control the pandemic, legislate for immediate covid stimulus, and later preside over large infrastructure spending and a rise in the minimum wage some of the more right-wing parts of the electorate may realise that they’d been conned about the ‘threat of socialism’ and see the light.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Trumpers aren’t a lost cause. If Biden can control the pandemic, legislate for immediate covid stimulus, and later preside over large infrastructure spending and a rise in the minimum wage some of the more right-wing parts of the electorate may realise that they’d been conned about the ‘threat of socialism’ and see the light.

Is this in the wrong thread?

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Trumpers aren’t a lost cause. If Biden can control the pandemic, legislate for immediate covid stimulus, and later preside over large infrastructure spending and a rise in the minimum wage some of the more right-wing parts of the electorate may realise that they’d been conned about the ‘threat of socialism’ and see the light.

Is this in the wrong thread?

it doesn’t matter anymore

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Trumpers aren’t a lost cause. If Biden can control the pandemic, legislate for immediate covid stimulus, and later preside over large infrastructure spending and a rise in the minimum wage some of the more right-wing parts of the electorate may realise that they’d been conned about the ‘threat of socialism’ and see the light.

Is this in the wrong thread?

I think it was inspired by the free-speech discussion so no.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Trumpers aren’t a lost cause. If Biden can control the pandemic, legislate for immediate covid stimulus, and later preside over large infrastructure spending and a rise in the minimum wage some of the more right-wing parts of the electorate may realise that they’d been conned about the ‘threat of socialism’ and see the light.

Is this in the wrong thread?

I think it was inspired by the free-speech discussion so no.

For example we need to not worry about morons spouting bullshit if in time they redeem themselves: restrictions on free speech might be unnecessary..

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Is this in the wrong thread?

I think it was inspired by the free-speech discussion so no.

For example we need to not worry about morons spouting bullshit if in time they redeem themselves: restrictions on free speech might be unnecessary..

Still it’s not really on the topic of the Ugandan Elections.

I’m normally in favour of letting people express themselves but we have a situation here where someone with the biggest megaphone in the world is inciting violent crimes … there’s got to be some kind of line.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think it was inspired by the free-speech discussion so no.

For example we need to not worry about morons spouting bullshit if in time they redeem themselves: restrictions on free speech might be unnecessary..

Still it’s not really on the topic of the Ugandan Elections.

I’m normally in favour of letting people express themselves but we have a situation here where someone with the biggest megaphone in the world is inciting violent crimes … there’s got to be some kind of line.

are you ok?

Arts said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For example we need to not worry about morons spouting bullshit if in time they redeem themselves: restrictions on free speech might be unnecessary..

Still it’s not really on the topic of the Ugandan Elections.

I’m normally in favour of letting people express themselves but we have a situation here where someone with the biggest megaphone in the world is inciting violent crimes … there’s got to be some kind of line.

are you ok?

I’m not good at subtext always so I don’t know what you mean, quite.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

Still it’s not really on the topic of the Ugandan Elections.

I’m normally in favour of letting people express themselves but we have a situation here where someone with the biggest megaphone in the world is inciting violent crimes … there’s got to be some kind of line.

are you ok?

I’m not good at subtext always so I don’t know what you mean, quite.

I’m just doing a check in… it was a genuine question framed in a modern (though admittedly, commercial) way to inquire how you are doing..

Arts said:

dv said:

Arts said:

are you ok?

I’m not good at subtext always so I don’t know what you mean, quite.

I’m just doing a check in… it was a genuine question framed in a modern (though admittedly, commercial) way to inquire how you are doing..

Well that’s very nice of you. Things are going well in my personal life: happy family, business firing up again. My political feelings are also more positive than they were, say, a year ago, with progressive wins in NZ, ACT and Qld and now the US with the Democrats regaining the so called trifecta: it makes me think we might be past “peak stupid” and that there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

I’m not good at subtext always so I don’t know what you mean, quite.

I’m just doing a check in… it was a genuine question framed in a modern (though admittedly, commercial) way to inquire how you are doing..

Well that’s very nice of you. Things are going well in my personal life: happy family, business firing up again. My political feelings are also more positive than they were, say, a year ago, with progressive wins in NZ, ACT and Qld and now the US with the Democrats regaining the so called trifecta: it makes me think we might be past “peak stupid” and that there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

excellent to hear. I think we will all look back at 2020 one day and laugh… and say things like “oh you, 2020, you were such a goofball!” and stuff like that.

How you doing, Arts?

dv said:

How you doing, Arts?

I think she’s at the cricket now.

Looks like we’ve got another rigged election.
Bobi’s going postal.

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like we’ve got another rigged election.
Bobi’s going postal.

Way of life in sub-Saharan Africa.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like we’ve got another rigged election.
Bobi’s going postal.

Way of life in sub-Saharan Africa.

I blame the French.

party_pants said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like we’ve got another rigged election.
Bobi’s going postal.

Way of life in sub-Saharan Africa.

I blame the French.

And Idi.

Unlike The Other Guy, This Guy Won

Donny Trump won’t have much on his schedule after Wednesday.

He seems to think that he’s got a good eye for a stolen election. Maybe he could go to Uganda, and look things over there.

captain_spalding said:

Donny Trump won’t have much on his schedule after Wednesday.

He seems to think that he’s got a good eye for a stolen election. Maybe he could go to Uganda, and look things over there.

:)