Dagnabit. World deaths still increasing.

Russia may have peaked. Greatest new cases on Dec 24.

USA still on the rise, despite greatest new cases on Dec 18.

This is India. Looking good so far.

This is Brazil. Death rate climbing despite peak in new cases on Dec 17.

In summary, USA and Brazil looking bad despite peaks in new cases in all of the top 4 countries by total number of cases.

Mexico really bad, although number of new cases has flattened out, highest so far on Dec 23.

It started in Italy.
They found it in France around the same time also.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

It is just that they didn’t know what to test for then.

Some claim it started in China in August/October but the evidence is thin/disputed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53005768

roughbarked said:

It started in Italy.
They found it in France around the same time also.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

It is just that they didn’t know what to test for then.

Some claim it started in China in August/October but the evidence is thin/disputed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53005768

Make Them Pay

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

It started in Italy.
They found it in France around the same time also.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

It is just that they didn’t know what to test for then.

Some claim it started in China in August/October but the evidence is thin/disputed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53005768

Make Them Pay

For what?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

It started in Italy.
They found it in France around the same time also.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

It is just that they didn’t know what to test for then.

Some claim it started in China in August/October but the evidence is thin/disputed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53005768

Make Them Pay

For what?

apologies we’re just suggesting that blaming and demanding compensation for entertainment by highly infectious disease is inappropriate

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Make Them Pay

For what?

apologies we’re just suggesting that blaming and demanding compensation for entertainment by highly infectious disease is inappropriate

OK.

“It seems silly that I can be so close to home, but yet I can’t get home or go to work,” she said.

“That’s the most frustrating part about the whole thing. And it’s circumstances beyond my control which have prevented me from getting home, and I don’t feel I should be punished for that.”

> They were all too keen to get out of Victoria but now they are all crying foul.

I’m going to bring a couple of the links I found yesterday when I read over the titles of the PubMed papers for January 21 about COVID19. They are lost in last week’s thread.

A long read:

“A Comprehensive Review of Coronavirus Disease 2019: Epidemiology, Transmission, Risk Factors, and International Responses”

https://www.eymj.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3349/ymj.2021.62.1.1

Asymptomatic carriers.

Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33335578/

“Clinical characteristics and infectivity of asymptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2 (Review)”

Full paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7739853/

>>8. Conclusions

Based on the literature, the present review identified that the proportion of asymptomatic carriers of SARS-CoV-2 in all infections varies significantly between different studies, but asymptomatic infection may be correlated with age. Among the young population, the proportion of asymptomatic carriers may be increased. There is no uniform pattern of laboratory and radiological findings in asymptomatic carriers, and some asymptomatic carriers may have completely normal chest CT and laboratory results. It is almost certain that asymptomatic carriers can transmit SARS-CoV-2, but they may have a decreased risk of transmission compared with symptomatic patients. At present, the management of asymptomatic carriers should become a focus of epidemic prevention, particularly in countries with stable epidemics. Dual detection of serum antibodies and nucleic acids in high-risk areas and high-risk groups and quarantining for at least 14 days is recommended following diagnosis as an asymptomatic carrier.<<

And the Italian study showing it was in various places in Italy prior to the first recognized cases is now published:

Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32835962/

“SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating in northern Italy since December 2019: Evidence from environmental monitoring “

Full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7428442/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32963115/

“Upper respiratory viral load in asymptomatic individuals and mildly symptomatic patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection “

>> Asymptomatic individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection have viable viral loads and have been linked to several transmission cases. However, data on the viral loads in such individuals are lacking. We assessed the viral loads in asymptomatic individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection in comparison with those in symptomatic patients with COVID-19.

…..

Approximately one-fifth of the individuals without severe symptoms were asymptomatic, and their viral loads were comparable to those in symptomatic patients. A large proportion of mildly symptomatic patients with COVID-19 or asymptomatic individuals with SARS-CoV-2 showed persistent positive upper respiratory RT-PCR results at follow-up. <<

This one, however, is the one I found most interesting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32720703/

“High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza A virus (H1N1) coinfection in dead patients in Northeastern Iran “

>> We found coinfection with influenza virus in 22.3%, RSV, and bocavirus in 9.7%, parainfluenza viruses in 3.9%, human metapneumovirus in 2.9%, and finally adenovirus in 1.9% of SARS-CoV-2 positive dead cases. Our findings highlight a high prevalence of coinfection with influenza A virus and the monopoly of coinfection with Human metapneumovirus in children. <<

That is a lot of co-infection.

buffy said:

And the Italian study showing it was in various places in Italy prior to the first recognized cases is now published:

Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32835962/

“SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating in northern Italy since December 2019: Evidence from environmental monitoring “

Full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7428442/

imagine a health system so advanced it is able to identify and alert the world to a novel coronavirus infectious disease that has been circulating all month in some other country

Victoria has recorded three new locally acquired coronavirus cases overnight, as the state works to contain a cluster linked to a restaurant in Melbourne’s south-east.

The new infections were detected from 22,477 test results processed on Saturday.

There are now 32 active cases in Victoria, including people in mandatory hotel quarantine.

Now breathing a bit easier.

Still no word from the Prime Minister for NSW, Frackenberg or Health Minister rhyming slang. A simple apology to Daniel Andrews and Victorians would be a start. Or is that expecting to much?

So what’s all this about then, what’s all this¿

The Berala cluster has now reached 13 cases and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said a lot of transmission had occurred during brief visits to the BWS store on Woodburn Road in Berala. “Irrespective of if you think it was just a fleeting visit to this premises, we want you to act in a very precautionary way and are asking for your assistance,” she said. There is a health alert for anyone who visited the bottle shop on any day between December 22 and December 31.

apparently this is what the place looks like

Wha’d‘y’all think, is it

• a new strain
• superspreader sales assistant
• in the air conditioning
• a bunch of chimneys seated in the arcade blowing SARS-CoV-2 into the faces of any passers-by entering the BWS
• other (please specify) case[s] not covered by the false tetrachotomy above

¿

bucolic3401 said:

A simple apology to Daniel Andrews and Victorians would be a start. Or is that expecting to much?

^ ^^

somehow it’ll be all Dan’s fault still, although it really seems to have spread from NSWuhan to VIC they’ll probably turn it around and the press will buy their story that it started in VIC and ended up on the Northern Beaches thanks to dirty Dan’s lax border controls or something

bucolic3401 said:

Still no word from the Prime Minister for NSW, Frackenberg or Health Minister rhyming slang. A simple apology to Daniel Andrews and Victorians would be a start. Or is that expecting to much?

Gladys is on hols.

SCIENCE said:

So what’s all this about then, what’s all this¿

The Berala cluster has now reached 13 cases and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said a lot of transmission had occurred during brief visits to the BWS store on Woodburn Road in Berala. “Irrespective of if you think it was just a fleeting visit to this premises, we want you to act in a very precautionary way and are asking for your assistance,” she said. There is a health alert for anyone who visited the bottle shop on any day between December 22 and December 31.

apparently this is what the place looks like

Wha’d‘y’all think, is it

• a new strain
• superspreader sales assistant
• in the air conditioning
• a bunch of chimneys seated in the arcade blowing SARS-CoV-2 into the faces of any passers-by entering the BWS
• other (please specify) case[s] not covered by the false tetrachotomy above

¿

Doubtful it’s a cashier. Supermarkets and their liquor stores have Perspex between them and customers.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

So what’s all this about then, what’s all this¿

The Berala cluster has now reached 13 cases and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said a lot of transmission had occurred during brief visits to the BWS store on Woodburn Road in Berala. “Irrespective of if you think it was just a fleeting visit to this premises, we want you to act in a very precautionary way and are asking for your assistance,” she said. There is a health alert for anyone who visited the bottle shop on any day between December 22 and December 31.

apparently this is what the place looks like

Wha’d‘y’all think, is it

• a new strain
• superspreader sales assistant
• in the air conditioning
• a bunch of chimneys seated in the arcade blowing SARS-CoV-2 into the faces of any passers-by entering the BWS
• other (please specify) case[s] not covered by the false tetrachotomy above

¿

Doubtful it’s a cashier. Supermarkets and their liquor stores have Perspex between them and customers.

Surface transmission. We’d been wiping the front desk where patients leaned on it for many years. OK, not after every person, but especially and particularly after anyone who was leaking fluids.

And from the ABC news site:

>>Victoria has recorded three new locally acquired coronavirus cases overnight, as the state works to contain a cluster linked to a restaurant in Melbourne’s south-east.

The new infections were detected from 22,477 test results processed on Saturday, amid long lines at testing sites.<<
—————————————————————————————————

>>Eight new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 have been recorded in NSW and contact tracers are tackling a “concerning” amount of transmission at a bottle shop in Sydney’s west.

Almost 19,000 tests were conducted in the past 24 hours.<<

Carrying on the NSW is betterer than Victoria thing…um…test numbers?

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

So what’s all this about then, what’s all this¿

The Berala cluster has now reached 13 cases and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said a lot of transmission had occurred during brief visits to the BWS store on Woodburn Road in Berala. “Irrespective of if you think it was just a fleeting visit to this premises, we want you to act in a very precautionary way and are asking for your assistance,” she said. There is a health alert for anyone who visited the bottle shop on any day between December 22 and December 31.

apparently this is what the place looks like

Wha’d‘y’all think, is it

• a new strain
• superspreader sales assistant
• in the air conditioning
• a bunch of chimneys seated in the arcade blowing SARS-CoV-2 into the faces of any passers-by entering the BWS
• other (please specify) case[s] not covered by the false tetrachotomy above

¿

Doubtful it’s a cashier. Supermarkets and their liquor stores have Perspex between them and customers.

Not here they don’t.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

So what’s all this about then, what’s all this¿

The Berala cluster has now reached 13 cases and Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said a lot of transmission had occurred during brief visits to the BWS store on Woodburn Road in Berala. “Irrespective of if you think it was just a fleeting visit to this premises, we want you to act in a very precautionary way and are asking for your assistance,” she said. There is a health alert for anyone who visited the bottle shop on any day between December 22 and December 31.

apparently this is what the place looks like

Wha’d‘y’all think, is it

• a new strain
• superspreader sales assistant
• in the air conditioning
• a bunch of chimneys seated in the arcade blowing SARS-CoV-2 into the faces of any passers-by entering the BWS
• other (please specify) case[s] not covered by the false tetrachotomy above

¿

Doubtful it’s a cashier. Supermarkets and their liquor stores have Perspex between them and customers.

Not here they don’t.

Maybe the eftpos?

India reportedly raises concerns over restrictions for Gabba Test, Sydney ready to host back-to-back Tests

——-

Oh great. India (who have never won a test in Brisbane) seem to be pulling the “we don’t want to quarantine again” card. Big crowds at two Sydney Tests? That’ll be good for spreading COVID-19 around the place

Michael V said:

India reportedly raises concerns over restrictions for Gabba Test, Sydney ready to host back-to-back Tests

——-

Oh great. India (who have never won a test in Brisbane) seems to be pulling a “we don’t want to quarantine again, so we don’t want to go to Brisbane” card. Big crowds at two Sydney Tests? That’ll be good for spreading COVID-19 around the place

Sorry, ref:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/india-does-not-want-to-travel-to-brisbane-gabba-test-in-doubt/13028490

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

India reportedly raises concerns over restrictions for Gabba Test, Sydney ready to host back-to-back Tests

——-

Oh great. India (who have never won a test in Brisbane) seems to be pulling a “we don’t want to quarantine again, so we don’t want to go to Brisbane” card. Big crowds at two Sydney Tests? That’ll be good for spreading COVID-19 around the place

Sorry, ref:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/india-does-not-want-to-travel-to-brisbane-gabba-test-in-doubt/13028490

mentioned before but with all these things one always gets the impression that groups who have failed seek to make their failure more acceptable by bringing failure to those who have succeeded

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

India reportedly raises concerns over restrictions for Gabba Test, Sydney ready to host back-to-back Tests

——-

Oh great. India (who have never won a test in Brisbane) seems to be pulling a “we don’t want to quarantine again, so we don’t want to go to Brisbane” card. Big crowds at two Sydney Tests? That’ll be good for spreading COVID-19 around the place

Sorry, ref:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/india-does-not-want-to-travel-to-brisbane-gabba-test-in-doubt/13028490

mentioned before but with all these things one always gets the impression that groups who have failed seek to make their failure more acceptable by bringing failure to those who have succeeded

We have a term for that.
Weak as piss.

I probably shouldn’t laugh at this, but I did:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/victoria-coronavirus-testing-sites-melbourne-overwhelmed/13028542

And a couple of stories further down (Queensland):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/waits-of-up-to-six-hours-expected-covid-testing/13028458

Can we both blame NSW?

;)

buffy said:

I probably shouldn’t laugh at this, but I did:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/victoria-coronavirus-testing-sites-melbourne-overwhelmed/13028542

And a couple of stories further down (Queensland):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/waits-of-up-to-six-hours-expected-covid-testing/13028458

Can we both blame NSW?

;)

buffy said:

I probably shouldn’t laugh at this, but I did:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/victoria-coronavirus-testing-sites-melbourne-overwhelmed/13028542

And a couple of stories further down (Queensland):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/waits-of-up-to-six-hours-expected-covid-testing/13028458

Can we both blame NSW?

;)

They’re still holding the third test, with a crowd of 25,000.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I probably shouldn’t laugh at this, but I did:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/victoria-coronavirus-testing-sites-melbourne-overwhelmed/13028542

And a couple of stories further down (Queensland):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/waits-of-up-to-six-hours-expected-covid-testing/13028458

Can we both blame NSW?

;)

They’re still holding the third test, with a crowd of 25,000.

But we could test the whole crowd and their contacts without getting our testing stations overwhelmed …

Nb tic btw.

poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

I probably shouldn’t laugh at this, but I did:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/victoria-coronavirus-testing-sites-melbourne-overwhelmed/13028542

And a couple of stories further down (Queensland):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-03/waits-of-up-to-six-hours-expected-covid-testing/13028458

Can we both blame NSW?

;)

They’re still holding the third test, with a crowd of 25,000.

But we could test the whole crowd and their contacts without getting our testing stations overwhelmed …

Nb tic btw.

Pfft…Vic did more tests yesterday than NSW anyway…even though we are still calling people back in from leave.

:)

ABC News:

‘Smelling of alcohol, asleep on the job: South Australia’s medi-hotel security guard breaches revealed

By Bension Siebert
Police records show 99 security guards were stood down or terminated for coronavirus medi-hotel breaches in South Australia, including sleeping on the job, smelling of alcohol and pretending to be a Defence officer. ‘

‘Qualified’ they may be.

‘Suitable’…?

dv said:

Scomo wrote that bit himself?

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Smelling of alcohol, asleep on the job: South Australia’s medi-hotel security guard breaches revealed

By Bension Siebert
Police records show 99 security guards were stood down or terminated for coronavirus medi-hotel breaches in South Australia, including sleeping on the job, smelling of alcohol and pretending to be a Defence officer. ‘

‘Qualified’ they may be.

‘Suitable’…?

Present? Competent? Awake?

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Smelling of alcohol, asleep on the job: South Australia’s medi-hotel security guard breaches revealed

By Bension Siebert
Police records show 99 security guards were stood down or terminated for coronavirus medi-hotel breaches in South Australia, including sleeping on the job, smelling of alcohol and pretending to be a Defence officer. ‘

‘Qualified’ they may be.

‘Suitable’…?

Present? Competent? Awake?

Informed?

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Smelling of alcohol, asleep on the job: South Australia’s medi-hotel security guard breaches revealed

By Bension Siebert
Police records show 99 security guards were stood down or terminated for coronavirus medi-hotel breaches in South Australia, including sleeping on the job, smelling of alcohol and pretending to be a Defence officer. ‘

‘Qualified’ they may be.

‘Suitable’…?

Present? Competent? Awake?

I mean, you could get a blue heeler that’d do a better job, and cheaper, too.

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Smelling of alcohol, asleep on the job: South Australia’s medi-hotel security guard breaches revealed

By Bension Siebert
Police records show 99 security guards were stood down or terminated for coronavirus medi-hotel breaches in South Australia, including sleeping on the job, smelling of alcohol and pretending to be a Defence officer. ‘

‘Qualified’ they may be.

‘Suitable’…?

Present? Competent? Awake?

Informed?

Possibly uniformed, probably uninformed.

The latest surge of the coronavirus in Los Angeles County is infecting a new person every six seconds, Mayor Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles said Sunday. And it is accelerating exactly where people are least likely to be on their guard: in private.

Mr. Garcetti said on the CBS program “Face the Nation” that despite what California has done to limit virus transmission in public, including high compliance with mask-wearing and tight restrictions reimposed on businesses, large numbers of new cases were still being detected, including a recent average of 14,000 a day in the county.

“This is something now that really is spreading in the home,” Mr. Garcetti said, adding: “It’s a message for all of America: We might not all have the same density as L.A., but what’s happening in L.A. can and will be coming in many communities in America.”

There are more than twice as many Covid-19 patients in California hospitals now as there were a month ago, and many intensive care units in the state have been overflowing. At least four people in the state have been found to be infected with the new, more transmissible variant of the virus first identified in Britain.

And at the rate that immunization is going so far, the new vaccines offer little hope for quickly reining in the surge, the mayor said. “We are at a pace right now to deliver vaccines in L.A. over five years, instead of over half a year,” he said.

Mr. Garcetti criticized the Trump administration for failing to plan ahead by training more medical personnel to administer the vaccine, and for leaving it up to state and local governments to run a huge inoculation campaign without providing the resources needed to carry it out.
“The federal government can’t tell the local governments and state governments to do something and not give us aid,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/world/covid-19-Los-Angeles-Eric-Garcetti.html

See Told You It Was All Dan’s Fault

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/victoria-could-have-prepared-better-for-testing-surge/13028792

VIC tests more than NSW for the past few days and obviously it’s because VIC failed to prepare

That popcorn post below got people thinking. Here’s NSW Health explaining when you can take off your mask
A person may remove a mask if they are:

eating or drinking,
communicating with another person who is deaf or hard of hearing,

It seems that communicating with the dead is now off the list in NSW.

3 new cases in Victoria.

Now the Swedish model has failed, it’s time to ask who was pushing it

A light-touch approach to Covid-19 doesn’t work. But that didn’t stop pundits and thinktanks from advocating it for the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19

The good thing is that Bob from Black Rock probably doesn’t eat a lot of Asian food.

Bubblecar said:

Now the Swedish model has failed, it’s time to ask who was pushing it

A light-touch approach to Covid-19 doesn’t work. But that didn’t stop pundits and thinktanks from advocating it for the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19

The light touch makes sense for the Swiss and their societies mindset

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Now the Swedish model has failed, it’s time to ask who was pushing it

A light-touch approach to Covid-19 doesn’t work. But that didn’t stop pundits and thinktanks from advocating it for the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19

The light touch makes sense for the Swiss and their societies mindset

It doesn’t though. They now admit that it failed, resulting in a higher death rate than other Nordic countries with no less damage to the economy.

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Now the Swedish model has failed, it’s time to ask who was pushing it

A light-touch approach to Covid-19 doesn’t work. But that didn’t stop pundits and thinktanks from advocating it for the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19

The light touch makes sense for the Swiss and their societies mindset

It doesn’t though. They now admit that it failed, resulting in a higher death rate than other Nordic countries with no less damage to the economy.

I mean the laidback attitude and personal freedoms

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

The light touch makes sense for the Swiss and their societies mindset

It doesn’t though. They now admit that it failed, resulting in a higher death rate than other Nordic countries with no less damage to the economy.

I mean the laidback attitude and personal freedoms

In real life Sweden is a very conformist nation, with a long tradition of anti-individualism. That’s why they thought a “herd” approach would work.

Compare Sweden with Australia, bearing in mind that Sweden has less than half our population:

Sweden cases: 437,379. Deaths: 8,727.
Oz cases: 28,470. Deaths: 909.

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Now the Swedish model has failed, it’s time to ask who was pushing it

A light-touch approach to Covid-19 doesn’t work. But that didn’t stop pundits and thinktanks from advocating it for the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19

The light touch makes sense for the Swiss and their societies mindset

It doesn’t though. They now admit that it failed, resulting in a higher death rate than other Nordic countries with no less damage to the economy.

I don’t quite understand only comparing them to other Nordic countries. Do we compare Britain only with France and Ireland? Or, say, Italy, only compared with Switzerland, Austria and France?

Bubblecar said:

Compare Sweden with Australia, bearing in mind that Sweden has less than half our population:

Sweden cases: 437,379. Deaths: 8,727.
Oz cases: 28,470. Deaths: 909.

They aren’t an island. It’s been a very big help to us. And we are remote from Europe. Much, much more difficult to travel here than to their neighbouring countries.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Compare Sweden with Australia, bearing in mind that Sweden has less than half our population:

Sweden cases: 437,379. Deaths: 8,727.
Oz cases: 28,470. Deaths: 909.

They aren’t an island. It’s been a very big help to us. And we are remote from Europe. Much, much more difficult to travel here than to their neighbouring countries.

Nonetheless if we had followed Sweden’s strategy, our stats would be much higher than theirs, not much lower.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Compare Sweden with Australia, bearing in mind that Sweden has less than half our population:

Sweden cases: 437,379. Deaths: 8,727.
Oz cases: 28,470. Deaths: 909.

They aren’t an island. It’s been a very big help to us. And we are remote from Europe. Much, much more difficult to travel here than to their neighbouring countries.

Nonetheless if we had followed Sweden’s strategy, our stats would be much higher than theirs, not much lower.

That can never be known.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

They aren’t an island. It’s been a very big help to us. And we are remote from Europe. Much, much more difficult to travel here than to their neighbouring countries.

Nonetheless if we had followed Sweden’s strategy, our stats would be much higher than theirs, not much lower.

That can never be known.

Of course it can, by reference to what’s happened in different countries with different approaches.

Relatively uncontrolled transmission leads to many more cases, it’s an easy lesson to learn.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Nonetheless if we had followed Sweden’s strategy, our stats would be much higher than theirs, not much lower.

That can never be known.

Of course it can, by reference to what’s happened in different countries with different approaches.

Relatively uncontrolled transmission leads to many more cases, it’s an easy lesson to learn.

but you can’t know for sure, so how could you justify any infection control, c’m‘on

meanwhile in New South Wuhan, bastion of the Liberal CCP influence

Gladys-: I’ll be going on holidays and the Deputy Premier John Barilaro will be handling the news conferences.
Cabinet Ministers-: Fuck.

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys-: I’ll be going on holidays and the Deputy Premier John Barilaro will be handling the news conferences.
Cabinet Ministers-: Fuck.

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys-: I’ll be going on holidays and the Deputy Premier John Barilaro will be handling the news conferences.
Cabinet Ministers-: Fuck.

LOLOLOLOL

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys-: I’ll be going on holidays and the Deputy Premier John Barilaro will be handling the news conferences.
Cabinet Ministers-: Fuck.

I meant to say:

Cabinet Ministers: She’s gazumped us! Sell! Sell!

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys-: I’ll be going on holidays and the Deputy Premier John Barilaro will be handling the news conferences.
Cabinet Ministers-: Fuck.

That photo was taken at that glorious night in 2019.
I sometimes replay the ABC’s The Drum that presented as a special programme after their election night coverage, the ABC had assembled a group of guests ready to celebrate a Labour victory but instead it turned into a glum wake.

Britain takes another step in the fight against COVID-19, administering the world’s first shots of the coronavirus vaccine created by Oxford University and pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/first-uk-patient-gets-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/13030786

roughbarked said:

Britain takes another step in the fight against COVID-19, administering the world’s first shots of the coronavirus vaccine created by Oxford University and pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/first-uk-patient-gets-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/13030786

commendable, imagine taking steps like closing schools and requiring masks, imagine talking early steps like West Taiwan to shut down an epidemic

hey Trump was right after all, we need to bring some very bright light inside

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/coronavirus-uv-light-research-to-be-trialled-in-aged-care/13029358

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Gladys-: I’ll be going on holidays and the Deputy Premier John Barilaro will be handling the news conferences.
Cabinet Ministers-: Fuck.

That photo was taken at that glorious night in 2019.
I sometimes replay the ABC’s The Drum that presented as a special programme after their election night coverage, the ABC had assembled a group of guests ready to celebrate a Labour victory but instead it turned into a glum wake.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/coronavirus-row-as-nsw-acting-premier-rejects-wa-criticism/13029578

oh who was telling the other states where to stick it eh

who was happily chairing the man Dan then

oh who can’t take a lecture now, who doesn’t have the guts to do the right thing

SCIENCE said:

hey Trump was right after all, we need to bring some very bright light inside

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/coronavirus-uv-light-research-to-be-trialled-in-aged-care/13029358

They need VitD supplements. Their skin is probably too old to be efficient enough.

(I haven’t read the article, a bit sidetracked at the moment)

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

hey Trump was right after all, we need to bring some very bright light inside

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/coronavirus-uv-light-research-to-be-trialled-in-aged-care/13029358

They need VitD supplements. Their skin is probably too old to be efficient enough.

(I haven’t read the article, a bit sidetracked at the moment)

Yes. VitD is important in the immune response.

seems sensible

SCIENCE said:

seems sensible

except that the vaccinations seem to stop you getting sick but not necessarily shedding virus?

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

seems sensible

except that the vaccinations seem to stop you getting sick but not necessarily shedding virus?

true, which means we should protect them from the disease but still limit how much contact they have with the rest of the community without quarantine

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/03/south-african-variant-could-resistant-vaccine-expert-suggests/

The coronavirus variant circulating in South Africa could be resistant to the vaccine, a leading expert has suggested but stressed that it could take just six weeks to develop a new jab if one was needed….

—

well that’s all right then, because countries are totally fully invested in developing vaccine, and the public are totally on board with getting their shots

SCIENCE said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/03/south-african-variant-could-resistant-vaccine-expert-suggests/

The coronavirus variant circulating in South Africa could be resistant to the vaccine, a leading expert has suggested but stressed that it could take just six weeks to develop a new jab if one was needed….

—

well that’s all right then, because countries are totally fully invested in developing vaccine, and the public are totally on board with getting their shots

I think we’re going to need a jab every year, just like the flu.

SCIENCE said:

seems sensible

There are hundred’s of ‘experts’ who don’t have to actually make the important decisions on how to handle covid getting their 15 minutes of fame in the media, they have the that luxury..

SCIENCE said:

You can see where their lockdown was just starting to take effect and then they relaxed it too soon, so as to not spoil Christmas. Now they are experiencing the post-Chrissy surge.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/03/south-african-variant-could-resistant-vaccine-expert-suggests/

The coronavirus variant circulating in South Africa could be resistant to the vaccine, a leading expert has suggested but stressed that it could take just six weeks to develop a new jab if one was needed….

—

well that’s all right then, because countries are totally fully invested in developing vaccine, and the public are totally on board with getting their shots

I think we’re going to need a jab every year, just like the flu.

You can see where their lockdown was just starting to take effect and then they relaxed it too soon, so as to not spoil Christmas. Now they are experiencing the post-Chrissy surge.

(1) We wish the authorities had listened when throughout JanFebMarApr the actual experts were saying holy shit please shut this thing down now.

(2) Yes. NSWuhan authorities please take note.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

You can see where their lockdown was just starting to take effect and then they relaxed it too soon, so as to not spoil Christmas. Now they are experiencing the post-Chrissy surge.

(1) We wish the authorities had listened when throughout JanFebMarApr the actual experts were saying holy shit please shut this thing down now.

(2) Yes. NSWuhan authorities please take note.

The UK scientific exerts were asking for a lockdown by the end of September. It didn’t happen till November, and then didn’t hold on for long enough.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

You can see where their lockdown was just starting to take effect and then they relaxed it too soon, so as to not spoil Christmas. Now they are experiencing the post-Chrissy surge.

Something to take with them into the new year.

Apparently they’re out of sedatives in LA hospitals

so this should be fun

and

at least their ICUs won’t be full of tubed up patients any more, gotta take them small wins hey.

dv likes this kind of thing but we’ve left it to the locals do their analysis

Chadstone Shopping Centre has revealed a worker from the centre’s Boost Juice store outside Bonds had returned a positive test for COVID-19, although the store is not among the DHHS exposure sites.

The centre said the team member had last worked on-site on December 29, between 6:00pm and 11:00pm.

SCIENCE said:

dv likes this kind of thing but we’ve left it to the locals do their analysis

Wait, I like things?

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv likes this kind of thing but we’ve left it to the locals do their analysis

Wait, I like things?

Things – like a walk in the park
Things – like a kiss in the dark
Things – like a sailor boat ride
What about the night we cried?
Things like a lovers vow
Things that we don’t do now
Thinkin’ ‘bout the things we used to do

Neophyte said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv likes this kind of thing but we’ve left it to the locals do their analysis

Wait, I like things?

Things – like a walk in the park
Things – like a kiss in the dark
Things – like a sailor boat ride
What about the night we cried?
Things like a lovers vow
Things that we don’t do now
Thinkin’ ‘bout the things we used to do

Amen.

amen indeed

British Clown Boris Johnson is expected to announce a raft of new coronavirus restrictions as the nation once again hits a daily high of coronavirus cases as the pandemic continues to surge there.

“The spread of the new variant of COVID-19 has led to rapidly escalating case numbers across the country,” a spokesman from the prime minister’s office said. “The Prime Minister is clear that this now gives authorities an excuse to say that further steps must now be taken to arrest this rise and to protect the NHS (National Health Service) and save face. He will set those out this evening.”

Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon placed the devolved nation into its toughest lockdown since last Spring.

Scots would be legally required to stay at home for January from midnight on Monday and that schools will close for all but the children of essential workers.

[tweet sturgeon]

She said the new variant of coronavirus that is circulating rapidly throughout the UK accounts for nearly half of new cases in Scotland, and is 70 per cent more transmissible.

More to come. Lots more.

Tony Attempts To Shift Labor Supporters To Liberal

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said at his New Year’s day press conference that “public health is our number one priority on the vaccine”. “There’s been in no other advanced jurisdiction an approval given for the [AstraZeneca] vaccine, there have been emergency authorisations given. “Australia is not in that situation. So, we’re being careful to ensure that we dot all the I’s and we cross all the T’s to ensure this vaccine is safe and able to be distributed across the Australian population.”

Labor leader Anthony Albanese called for the Government to “get a move on” in December. “If a vaccine is approved in January, why are Australians having to wait until March?” he posted on Twitter. “Vaccines are our ticket out of this pandemic.”

That clown costume is starting to look the right size…

sorry didn’t include connectivity

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/uk-covid-case-record-scotland-into-lockdown-boris-johnson/13031334

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-australia-rollout-march/13030064

Singapore will let police access contact-tracing data
Singapore said on Monday its police will be able to use data obtained by its coronavirus contact-tracing technology for criminal investigations, a decision likely to increase privacy concerns around the system.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/jan/04/coronavirus-live-news-us-deaths-pass-350000-as-india-authorises-two-vaccines?page=with:block-5ff2e2808f08d0452b08b9fa#block-5ff2e2808f08d0452b08b9fa

That is really, really stupid.

NSW’s latest COVID-19 figures behind Avalon coronavirus cluster tracking better than previous outbreaks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/nsw-locally-acquired-coronavirus-cases-stats-previous-outbreaks/13030218

You’d hope so given they’ve only had 12 months to learn something. On the other hand this is a bit concerning.

Gladys Berejiklian’s Government is clearly of the view that it’s better to retain as much normality for residents as possible. It’s partly a choice between a slightly heightened level of restrictions for a longer period, or a set of very tough restrictions, with a greater effect on people, for a shorter time.

No, it really isn’t a choice between those, the choice is: do you want to get back to normal or not? Stop fkn around. Thankfully you’re dishing out the masks now, and if you think you’re up to it, get that 2nd order test-trace-isolate shit going and you might get away with it.

The New South Wales Government thinks the former is preferable, but virtually every other state and territory has far less tolerance for the virus. “It’s very important that all states eliminate the virus, in the interests of the entire nation,” WA Premier Mark McGowan said on Monday.

And thank fk for that.

It’s McGowan’s Fault, Like Dan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/perth-real-estate-market-heats-up-with-increased-buyer-activity/13030876

Housing unaffordability spreads like virus to Western Australia thanks to liberties-infringing policies of unpopular WA Labor government!

SCIENCE said:

It’s McGowan’s Fault, Like Dan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/perth-real-estate-market-heats-up-with-increased-buyer-activity/13030876

Housing unaffordability spreads like virus to Western Australia thanks to liberties-infringing policies of unpopular WA Labor government!

• It’s McGowan’s Fault

I’ll agree with that…

I don’t understand why they feel they need to exempt weddings, funerals and religious gatherings from the crowd limit numbers in many places.
Funerals yeah you don’t have much of a choice when a person dies but the other two postpone the wedding and religion suck it up and worship at home

SCIENCE said:

The New South Wales Government thinks the former is preferable, but virtually every other state and territory has far less tolerance for the virus. “It’s very important that all states eliminate the virus, in the interests of the entire nation,” WA Premier Mark McGowan said on Monday.

Gladys is still looking after her Federal politics aspirations, trying hard to not upset the NSW lobbies that have the ear of the PM and others who could have a say in that.

Cymek said:

I don’t understand why they feel they need to exempt weddings, funerals and religious gatherings from the crowd limit numbers in many places.
Funerals yeah you don’t have much of a choice when a person dies but the other two postpone the wedding and religion suck it up and worship at home

To be fair, all of these things can be done remotely. For a wedding the people being married, the witnesses and the official need to be there, everyone else can dial in. For a funeral, I’d say immediate family and the the official should be there, everyone else can dial in. For religion, no one needs to be there, they all can dial in…

furious said:

Cymek said:

I don’t understand why they feel they need to exempt weddings, funerals and religious gatherings from the crowd limit numbers in many places.
Funerals yeah you don’t have much of a choice when a person dies but the other two postpone the wedding and religion suck it up and worship at home

To be fair, all of these things can be done remotely. For a wedding the people being married, the witnesses and the official need to be there, everyone else can dial in. For a funeral, I’d say immediate family and the the official should be there, everyone else can dial in. For religion, no one needs to be there, they all can dial in…

Exactly so are they afraid of loss of votes or something in an upcoming election it they say the above

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

The New South Wales Government thinks the former is preferable, but virtually every other state and territory has far less tolerance for the virus. “It’s very important that all states eliminate the virus, in the interests of the entire nation,” WA Premier Mark McGowan said on Monday.

Gladys is still looking after her Federal politics aspirations, trying hard to not upset the NSW lobbies that have the ear of the PM and others who could have a say in that.

WA has certain (comparative) advantages from and of hard border closures (can do it with less disadvantage), both fast response and prolonged closures, however that advantage is reduced by expanded scope and persistence of covid in other states

the proposition of the objective of elimination of covid wins on the basis that tolerance of low levels leaves open the tolerance level, which is a softer undefined objective

that latter softer objective is more accommodating of a growing problem, lends to creeping (expanding) accommodation of covid

what Australia is faced with is potential desensitization (complacency) to the threat, a failure essentially to see it as if it just turned up, and it’s worse with talk of a vaccine to be rolled out

it’s probably unnatural to see something that’s been on the TV for a long time now as something new, a new threat, but the reality is new infections are a new threat

my instincts also tell me to ignore the vaccine rollout, defer indefinitely, postpone, ignore the promise of any benefits, as if there is no vaccine

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

The New South Wales Government thinks the former is preferable, but virtually every other state and territory has far less tolerance for the virus. “It’s very important that all states eliminate the virus, in the interests of the entire nation,” WA Premier Mark McGowan said on Monday.

Gladys is still looking after her Federal politics aspirations, trying hard to not upset the NSW lobbies that have the ear of the PM and others who could have a say in that.

You always say this. I have never seen any evidence that she has an eye on going into federal politics.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

The New South Wales Government thinks the former is preferable, but virtually every other state and territory has far less tolerance for the virus. “It’s very important that all states eliminate the virus, in the interests of the entire nation,” WA Premier Mark McGowan said on Monday.

Gladys is still looking after her Federal politics aspirations, trying hard to not upset the NSW lobbies that have the ear of the PM and others who could have a say in that.

You always say this. I have never seen any evidence that she has an eye on going into federal politics.

She’s pretty much ruining her chances if that was the plot.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

The New South Wales Government thinks the former is preferable, but virtually every other state and territory has far less tolerance for the virus. “It’s very important that all states eliminate the virus, in the interests of the entire nation,” WA Premier Mark McGowan said on Monday.

Gladys is still looking after her Federal politics aspirations, trying hard to not upset the NSW lobbies that have the ear of the PM and others who could have a say in that.

You always say this. I have never seen any evidence that she has an eye on going into federal politics.

Let’s wait and see.

Cymek said:

I don’t understand why they feel they need to exempt weddings, funerals and religious gatherings from the crowd limit numbers in many places.
Funerals yeah you don’t have much of a choice when a person dies but the other two postpone the wedding and religion suck it up and worship at home

c’m‘on you know nothing proves muh freedoms more than getting tied down we mean Submitting To The Lord we mean wait

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

I don’t understand why they feel they need to exempt weddings, funerals and religious gatherings from the crowd limit numbers in many places.
Funerals yeah you don’t have much of a choice when a person dies but the other two postpone the wedding and religion suck it up and worship at home

c’m‘on you know nothing proves muh freedoms more than getting tied down we mean Submitting To The Lord we mean wait

and yes being dead but as you say we don’t always have a choice with that one

Heard this on the radio in the car:

>>Ms Neville said eight flight crew have tested positive to the virus in hotel quarantine since the Government ended exemptions two weeks ago that had been described as a risky “loophole”.

“So eight out of just over a thousand flight crew who have flown in in the last two weeks have been positive,” she said.

“This is over and above the averages that we are seeing in returned travellers.

“I would today be saying to the other states, this is such a high risk for all of us, for the country, everyone needs to follow the lead around quarantining and testing of flight crew.”<<

Not all that surprising, the crew would be in contact with a lot more people in more varied places than the average traveller. But none the less, something to be aware of.

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/victoria-records-three-new-cases-of-coronavirus/13031442

buffy said:

Heard this on the radio in the car:

>>Ms Neville said eight flight crew have tested positive to the virus in hotel quarantine since the Government ended exemptions two weeks ago that had been described as a risky “loophole”.

“So eight out of just over a thousand flight crew who have flown in in the last two weeks have been positive,” she said.

“This is over and above the averages that we are seeing in returned travellers.

“I would today be saying to the other states, this is such a high risk for all of us, for the country, everyone needs to follow the lead around quarantining and testing of flight crew.”<<

Not all that surprising, the crew would be in contact with a lot more people in more varied places than the average traveller. But none the less, something to be aware of.

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/victoria-records-three-new-cases-of-coronavirus/13031442

eh we thought the stat’s were 1% all comers, that seems to not be much “over and above” if our envelope is right

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Heard this on the radio in the car:

>>Ms Neville said eight flight crew have tested positive to the virus in hotel quarantine since the Government ended exemptions two weeks ago that had been described as a risky “loophole”.

“So eight out of just over a thousand flight crew who have flown in in the last two weeks have been positive,” she said.

“This is over and above the averages that we are seeing in returned travellers.

“I would today be saying to the other states, this is such a high risk for all of us, for the country, everyone needs to follow the lead around quarantining and testing of flight crew.”<<

Not all that surprising, the crew would be in contact with a lot more people in more varied places than the average traveller. But none the less, something to be aware of.

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/victoria-records-three-new-cases-of-coronavirus/13031442

eh we thought the stat’s were 1% all comers, that seems to not be much “over and above” if our envelope is right

Don’t know…do you know where to find those stats?

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Heard this on the radio in the car:

>>Ms Neville said eight flight crew have tested positive to the virus in hotel quarantine since the Government ended exemptions two weeks ago that had been described as a risky “loophole”.

“So eight out of just over a thousand flight crew who have flown in in the last two weeks have been positive,” she said.

“This is over and above the averages that we are seeing in returned travellers.

“I would today be saying to the other states, this is such a high risk for all of us, for the country, everyone needs to follow the lead around quarantining and testing of flight crew.”<<

Not all that surprising, the crew would be in contact with a lot more people in more varied places than the average traveller. But none the less, something to be aware of.

Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/victoria-records-three-new-cases-of-coronavirus/13031442

eh we thought the stat’s were 1% all comers, that seems to not be much “over and above” if our envelope is right

Don’t know…do you know where to find those stats?

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20201226.pdf#page=24

Yes yes we know NSW isn’t All Australia but as Gutless Gladys says, they take the largest share of the returning travellers so it’s probably representative enough a sample. Happy to be corrected if any others have more reliable data.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

eh we thought the stat’s were 1% all comers, that seems to not be much “over and above” if our envelope is right

Don’t know…do you know where to find those stats?

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20201226.pdf#page=24

Yes yes we know NSW isn’t All Australia but as Gutless Gladys says, they take the largest share of the returning travellers so it’s probably representative enough a sample. Happy to be corrected if any others have more reliable data.

Hang about..the quote/link I used was for Victoria. It was Victoria suggesting it would be wise for other states to watch air crew closely.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Don’t know…do you know where to find those stats?

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20201226.pdf#page=24

Yes yes we know NSW isn’t All Australia but as Gutless Gladys says, they take the largest share of the returning travellers so it’s probably representative enough a sample. Happy to be corrected if any others have more reliable data.

Hang about..the quote/link I used was for Victoria. It was Victoria suggesting it would be wise for other states to watch air crew closely.

snapshot yet not granular we know, but unless those 2 positive are airline crew, then would you say 2/126 = 1.6% is the correct estimate here

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/covid-19-accommodation-program-data

sad but true

SCIENCE said:

sad but true

This appears not to be generally true. Robert Koch showed TB had an airborne transmission route in the 1880s and it had wide acceptance by the early 20th century.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/03/its-impeachable-its-likely-illegal-its-coup/

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

sad but true

This appears not to be generally true. Robert Koch showed TB had an airborne transmission route in the 1880s and it had wide acceptance by the early 20th century.

fair point we didn’t do any randomised controlled studies on the life expectancy of idiots

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/wa-quarantine-breacher-jenny-dubios-arrested-over-bail-address/13033834

This one comes across as nuts.

This Decision Is Not At All Political

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/qantas-flights-to-us-uk-brought-forward-to-july-2021/13033788

• Optimism surrounding the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines has led Qantas to bring forward flights to the US and UK, to July 1
• A planned restart of flights to some Asian destinations has been pushed back by four months, also to July 1

“For some of our big destinations like the United States and the UK, it’s going to need a vaccine given the high prevalence of the virus in both of those locations,” Mr Joyce said last year. But flights from Australia to Asian destinations like Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore have been pushed back from March to July 1 to provide more time for safe travel bubbles to be created.

—

Let’s see that on the same scale shall we?

Best of {US, UK} (blue) versus worst of {HK, JP, SG} (green).

OK then.

SCIENCE said:

This Decision Is Not At All Political

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/qantas-flights-to-us-uk-brought-forward-to-july-2021/13033788

• Optimism surrounding the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines has led Qantas to bring forward flights to the US and UK, to July 1
• A planned restart of flights to some Asian destinations has been pushed back by four months, also to July 1

“For some of our big destinations like the United States and the UK, it’s going to need a vaccine given the high prevalence of the virus in both of those locations,” Mr Joyce said last year. But flights from Australia to Asian destinations like Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore have been pushed back from March to July 1 to provide more time for safe travel bubbles to be created.

—

Let’s see that on the same scale shall we?

Best of {US, UK} (blue) versus worst of {HK, JP, SG} (green).

OK then.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

This Decision Is Not At All Political

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/qantas-flights-to-us-uk-brought-forward-to-july-2021/13033788

• Optimism surrounding the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines has led Qantas to bring forward flights to the US and UK, to July 1
• A planned restart of flights to some Asian destinations has been pushed back by four months, also to July 1

“For some of our big destinations like the United States and the UK, it’s going to need a vaccine given the high prevalence of the virus in both of those locations,” Mr Joyce said last year. But flights from Australia to Asian destinations like Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore have been pushed back from March to July 1 to provide more time for safe travel bubbles to be created.

—

Let’s see that on the same scale shall we?

Best of {US, UK} (blue) versus worst of {HK, JP, SG} (green).

OK then.

No jab, no travel. Simple.

SCIENCE said:

This Decision Is Not At All Political

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/qantas-flights-to-us-uk-brought-forward-to-july-2021/13033788

• Optimism surrounding the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines has led Qantas to bring forward flights to the US and UK, to July 1
• A planned restart of flights to some Asian destinations has been pushed back by four months, also to July 1

“For some of our big destinations like the United States and the UK, it’s going to need a vaccine given the high prevalence of the virus in both of those locations,” Mr Joyce said last year. But flights from Australia to Asian destinations like Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore have been pushed back from March to July 1 to provide more time for safe travel bubbles to be created.

—

Let’s see that on the same scale shall we?

Best of {US, UK} (blue) versus worst of {HK, JP, SG} (green).

OK then.

We should be greeting the diseased travellers with bayonets.

Anyway, the fuckwittingtons have decided to go for a proper lockdown now.

Have there been any deaths in this latest (December) outbreak? I have only seen numbers of positive tests. Not even anything about hospitalizations. Or ICU people.

buffy said:

Have there been any deaths in this latest (December) outbreak? I have only seen numbers of positive tests. Not even anything about hospitalizations. Or ICU people.

No deaths. 1 in hospital in Victoria from hotel quarantine I think.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Have there been any deaths in this latest (December) outbreak? I have only seen numbers of positive tests. Not even anything about hospitalizations. Or ICU people.

No deaths. 1 in hospital in Victoria from hotel quarantine I think.

So for all the family get togethers and grandparent visiting and reunions after months and months…we don’t seem to be knocking off the oldies this time?

buffy said:

Have there been any deaths in this latest (December) outbreak? I have only seen numbers of positive tests. Not even anything about hospitalizations. Or ICU people.

According to WorldOMeter, there was 1 death on Dec 28, and 1 on Nov 30. These are the most recent,

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Have there been any deaths in this latest (December) outbreak? I have only seen numbers of positive tests. Not even anything about hospitalizations. Or ICU people.

No deaths. 1 in hospital in Victoria from hotel quarantine I think.

So for all the family get togethers and grandparent visiting and reunions after months and months…we don’t seem to be knocking off the oldies this time?

Mixing is not a problem when there was zero cases in the community for like 60 days.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No deaths. 1 in hospital in Victoria from hotel quarantine I think.

So for all the family get togethers and grandparent visiting and reunions after months and months…we don’t seem to be knocking off the oldies this time?

Mixing is not a problem when there was zero cases in the community for like 60 days.

Didn’t NSW start spreading before Christmas?

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

So for all the family get togethers and grandparent visiting and reunions after months and months…we don’t seem to be knocking off the oldies this time?

Mixing is not a problem when there was zero cases in the community for like 60 days.

Didn’t NSW start spreading before Christmas?

yeah but when did it rock up in VIC is the more relevant bit surely

just for fun we provide for you the other plot, worst versus best in list (previously best=UK versus worst=JP), get a load of this

no prizes

I’ve lost count of the number time’s I’ve muttered “Health are garbage at Comm Ed”, and this is not a bad example of what I’m talking about: Why have DHHS not been delivering this daily since day one? Seriously, primary school children know how to produce this stuff…

Current Victorian Sites

(link opens Google Map with known Covid risk site details)

Rule 303 said:

I’ve lost count of the number time’s I’ve muttered “Health are garbage at Comm Ed”, and this is not a bad example of what I’m talking about: Why have DHHS not been delivering this daily since day one? Seriously, primary school children know how to produce this stuff…

we thought all government services had a technological update cycle of 20 years

SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:

I’ve lost count of the number time’s I’ve muttered “Health are garbage at Comm Ed”, and this is not a bad example of what I’m talking about: Why have DHHS not been delivering this daily since day one? Seriously, primary school children know how to produce this stuff…

we thought all government services had a technological update cycle of 20 years

Cynicism is the enemy.

Rule 303 said:

I’ve lost count of the number time’s I’ve muttered “Health are garbage at Comm Ed”, and this is not a bad example of what I’m talking about: Why have DHHS not been delivering this daily since day one? Seriously, primary school children know how to produce this stuff…

Current Victorian Sites

(link opens Google Map with known Covid risk site details)

I thought they had. Perhaps I’ve been reading them somewhere else…but I don’t think so. Via ABC news.

Faces Saved

Faeces In Sky

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

This Decision Is Not At All Political

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-05/qantas-flights-to-us-uk-brought-forward-to-july-2021/13033788

• Optimism surrounding the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines has led Qantas to bring forward flights to the US and UK, to July 1
• A planned restart of flights to some Asian destinations has been pushed back by four months, also to July 1

“For some of our big destinations like the United States and the UK, it’s going to need a vaccine given the high prevalence of the virus in both of those locations,” Mr Joyce said last year. But flights from Australia to Asian destinations like Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore have been pushed back from March to July 1 to provide more time for safe travel bubbles to be created.

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Let’s see that on the same scale shall we?

Best of {US, UK} (blue) versus worst of {HK, JP, SG} (green).

OK then.

We should be greeting the diseased travellers with bayonets.

Also needs to be seen in context of…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-06/vietnam-bans-flights-from-countries-with-covid-variant/13035016

Vietnam suspends flights from countries with COVID variant

Vietnam has suspended inbound flights from countries with new COVID-19 variants, initially Britain and South Africa, the nation’s health ministry said.

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also in article: Thailand Tries To Take Tutorial Thanks To Sweden

As Vietnam has again strengthened measures, in nearby Thailand complacency and poor planning has been blamed for that nation’s latest unexpected surge of coronavirus infections.

“We don’t want to lock down the entire country because we know what the problems are, so can you all lock down yourselves?” Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha pleaded with his nation.

(article does say they actually are trying to impose more infection control measures though)

Inside the Covid ward

All of our patients who die do so alone. There is nobody to hold their hand. Nobody to comfort them

https://unherd.com/2021/01/inside-the-covid-ward/

Well these “experts” are from Deakin which is Victorian, of course they’d try to implicate NSWuhan and point the finger at Blameless Berejiklian

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news-latest-update-victoria-nsw/13034518

Epidemiologist Professor Catherine Bennett says the Boxing Day Test match people have been worried about was unlikely to be a major coronavirus seeding event.

The Boxing Day Test is unlikely to have been a major coronavirus seeding event as more cases would have emerged by now if that were the case, according to epidemiologist Catherine Bennett.

Professor Bennett said Melbourne’s mystery case may indicate several other cases of COVID-19 have crossed the border to Victoria from New South Wales.

Gold. Standard.

SCIENCE said:

…the Boxing Day Test match people have been worried about was unlikely to be a major coronavirus seeding event.

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

…the Boxing Day Test match people have been worried about was unlikely to be a major coronavirus seeding event.

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

presumably they had 20000 or so people together at that event, which seems more major than a family gathering of say 20 people, which seems more minor

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

…the Boxing Day Test match people have been worried about was unlikely to be a major coronavirus seeding event.

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

presumably they had 20000 or so people together at that event, which seems more major than a family gathering of say 20 people, which seems more minor

But to be fair, 20 people spending a lot of time indoors with each other while hugging, kissing and shaking hands with each other is probably more dangerous than 20k people outdoors keeping to themselves.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

presumably they had 20000 or so people together at that event, which seems more major than a family gathering of say 20 people, which seems more minor

But to be fair, 20 people spending a lot of time indoors with each other while hugging, kissing and shaking hands with each other is probably more dangerous than 20k people outdoors keeping to themselves.

might be another reason to conclude it’s unlikely to have been superspreading

that’s what they said about any number of protests anyway, isn’t it

and those 20 people can damn well step outside and stop licking each other

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

presumably they had 20000 or so people together at that event, which seems more major than a family gathering of say 20 people, which seems more minor

But to be fair, 20 people spending a lot of time indoors with each other while hugging, kissing and shaking hands with each other is probably more dangerous than 20k people outdoors keeping to themselves.

…and if there is 1000 parties going on over a weekend, then you end up with what’s happening in pretty much every Western European country.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

…the Boxing Day Test match people have been worried about was unlikely to be a major coronavirus seeding event.

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

How many got sick from germs spread by ball rubbing/touching I wonder

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

presumably they had 20000 or so people together at that event, which seems more major than a family gathering of say 20 people, which seems more minor

But to be fair, 20 people spending a lot of time indoors with each other while hugging, kissing and shaking hands with each other is probably more dangerous than 20k people outdoors keeping to themselves.

A lot of hippies going to the Sydney test after news reports said everyone will be spaced out.

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

presumably they had 20000 or so people together at that event, which seems more major than a family gathering of say 20 people, which seems more minor

But to be fair, 20 people spending a lot of time indoors with each other while hugging, kissing and shaking hands with each other is probably more dangerous than 20k people outdoors keeping to themselves.

might be another reason to conclude it’s unlikely to have been superspreading

that’s what they said about any number of protests anyway, isn’t it

and those 20 people can damn well step outside and stop licking each other

I am not doubting the definition of “Non-Superspreading”, just pointing out that that the term leaves a lot of room for anything from “Significant spreading” event down.

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

…the Boxing Day Test match people have been worried about was unlikely to be a major coronavirus seeding event.

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

How many got sick from germs spread by ball rubbing/touching I wonder

What kind of parties do you go to?

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

How many got sick from germs spread by ball rubbing/touching I wonder

What kind of parties do you go to?

any more talk about minor seeding events and we think the police will need to be involved

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

What is considered a minor seeding event? One where only a few people get really sick or die?

How many got sick from germs spread by ball rubbing/touching I wonder

What kind of parties do you go to?

The cricket I meant

allegedly Montreal

We appear to have had no deaths from the recent increase in cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

SCIENCE said:

allegedly Montreal

just ask this fella

Saturday lockdown, that’ll fix the problem,

in 3 weeks

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

presumably they had 20000 or so people together at that event, which seems more major than a family gathering of say 20 people, which seems more minor

But to be fair, 20 people spending a lot of time indoors with each other while hugging, kissing and shaking hands with each other is probably more dangerous than 20k people outdoors keeping to themselves.

A lot of hippies going to the Sydney test after news reports said everyone will be spaced out.

LOL

And meanwhile in the rest of the USA:

Daily deaths yesterday: 4100

First time over 4000

The Rev Dodgson said:

And meanwhile in the rest of the USA:

Daily deaths yesterday: 4100

First time over 4000

Can’t help but be reminded of this:

Help save the youth of America
Help save them from themselves
Help save the sun-tanned surfer boys
And the Californian girls

When the lights go out in the rest of the world
What do our cousins say?
They’re playing in the sun and having fun, fun, fun
‘Til Daddy takes the gun away

From the Big Church to the Big River
And out to the Shining Sea
This is the Land of Opportunity
And there’s a monkey trial on TV

A nation with their freezers full
Are dancing in their seats
While outside another nation
Is sleeping in the streets

Don’t tell me the old, old story
Tell me the truth this time
Is the Man in the Mask or the Indian
An enemy or a friend of mine?

Help save the youth of America
Help save the youth of the world
Help save the boys in uniform
Their mothers and their faithful girls

Listen to the voice of the soldier
Down in the killing zone
Talking about the cost of living
And the price of bringing him home

They’re already shipping the body bags
Down below the Rio Grande
But you can fight for democracy at home
And not in some foreign land

And the fate of the great United States
Is entwined in the fate of us all
And the incident at Chernobyl proves
The world we live in is very small

And the cities of Europe have burned before
And they may yet burn again
And if they do I hope you understand
That Washington will burn with them
Omaha will burn with them
Los Alamos will burn with them

‘Help Save the Youth of America’, Billy Bragg, 1985.

Stern warning to frontline workers.

An airport worker, a nurse and an ambulance officer all breached PPE protocols during the care and transport of a woman aged in her 80s who travelled from the UK last week.

Mark McGowan said staff across the board had done a “great job” over a long period of time, but he was “extremely disappointed” to learn of the breaches.

‘Flabbergasted’ WA Premier worried PPE ‘mistakes’ could end in outbreak.

An “exasperated” WA Premier issues a stern warning to frontline COVID-19 workers to avoid complacency, saying mistakes are “creeping in” after three PPE protocol breaches were discovered in connection to one patient.

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Surely he’s heard of refresher courses?

If workers have made errors, there hasn’t been sufficiently closely-spaced refreshers. IMHO.

——————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-new-south-wales/13037510

buffy said:

We appear to have had no deaths from the recent increase in cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

Thanks Buffy, I’d suspected as much but haven’t had access to any news since 4 Jan.

How is Victoria doing?

rumble rumble

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/coronavirus-queensland-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive/13034046
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/qld-cleaner-confirmed-to-have-uk-strain-of-coronavirus/13040430

A cleaner at a quarantine hotel in Brisbane has tested positive for coronavirus, Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says. “This cleaner did everything right.”

—

Bullshit, no she didn’t, she worked in QUEENSLAND which is a LABOR-controlled state, Everything About It Is Wrong, They Did Everything Wrong.

—

Queensland Chief Health Officer Dr Jeannette Young said she had enforced restrictions to vulnerable facilities in Greater Brisbane as a precaution while contact tracing efforts continued. “We’re taking a very cautious approach with this case, now that we know for sure this person has the UK variant of the virus,” Dr Young said in a statement.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said the woman, who is from the southern Brisbane suburb of Algester, developed symptoms yesterday and was tested on the same day. Health authorities said the woman was believed to have been in the community while infectious for five days and worked a shift as a casual cleaner at the Hotel Grand Chancellor in Brisbane’s CBD on January 2.

—

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/coronavirus-ppe-breaches-prompt-stern-warning-from-wa-premier/13037272

A patient at the centre of multiple PPE protocol breaches in Western Australia has tested positive for the new mutant strain of COVID-19 that originated in the UK, authorities have confirmed.

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Original SARS-CoV-2 already made people into arseholes at a rate of about 5%, does this new variant thing produce more significant behavioural changes ¿

Nervouser and Nervouser

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/australia-coronavirus-vaccine-brought-forward-mid-february/13039078

The rollout of a coronavirus vaccine in Australia will be brought forward to next month, with the Prime Minister saying the first groups are expected to receive a jab in mid-to-late-February.

NSWuhan Hits Zero: Cases Or Intelligence¿ Why Not Both

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/nsw-health-records-zero-new-locally-acquired-coronavirus-cases/13038214

There is frustration about a lack of social distancing at a western Sydney train station tonight with masses of people forced to stand shoulder-to-shoulder. A fatality at Lidcombe train station this afternoon forced trains to be disrupted on four different lines, creating a huge backlog of services.

“Absolute scenes at Strathfield as trains are cancelled left right and centre. Solid mask usage, but absolutely zero social distancing,” passenger Cameron Hawkins said on Twitter.

Strathfield is one suburb away from Berala, where health authorities are still tracking an outbreak of COVID-19.

—

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

OK, I’ll admit I’m not a fan.

Of me or Joe?

Well well well a three day lockdown.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-brisbane-lockdown/13040460

Divine Angel said:

Well well well a three day lockdown.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-brisbane-lockdown/13040460

Good move.

Approved!

:)

In all the excitement I forgot to mention that the USA broke the 4k barrier yesterday with 4100 covid19 deaths

Two arthritis drugs give promising results in COVID patients
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/roche,sanofi-arthritis-drugs-reduce-covid-death-rates/13041870

dv said:

In all the excitement I forgot to mention that the USA broke the 4k barrier yesterday with 4100 covid19 deaths

Already reported yesterday.

(4134 deaths yesterday, 4100 the day before)

as them advertisers say,

What
The 4k

Divine Angel said:

Two arthritis drugs give promising results in COVID patients
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/roche,sanofi-arthritis-drugs-reduce-covid-death-rates/13041870

Here’s something else revolutionary that will reduce deaths: ¡¡ stating home, minimising infectious contacts, wearing masks, !!

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Well well well a three day lockdown.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-brisbane-lockdown/13040460

Good move.

Approved!

:)

They’re just admitting failure because they don’t have Gold Standard.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Well well well a three day lockdown.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-brisbane-lockdown/13040460

Good move.

Approved!

:)

They’re just admitting failure because they don’t have Gold Standard.

The standard was taken off gold back in 1971.

Attn Mrs Cymek

“Mr McGowan says anyone who works in the “quarantine chain” will now be required to undergo saliva testing on a daily basis.

He says it’ll apply to a broad range of people, including quarantine security, nurses, drivers, airport workers and police officer (among others).

It comes in the wake of a series of interstate outbreaks linked to hotel quarantine.”

So greater Brisbane is now a commonwealth hotspot, whatever that means.

It’s like being declared a leper colony.

Divine Angel said:

So greater Brisbane is now a commonwealth hotspot

Princess Margaret will go there for sex

Divine Angel said:

Attn Mrs Cymek

“Mr McGowan says anyone who works in the “quarantine chain” will now be required to undergo saliva testing on a daily basis.

He says it’ll apply to a broad range of people, including quarantine security, nurses, drivers, airport workers and police officer (among others).

It comes in the wake of a series of interstate outbreaks linked to hotel quarantine.”

I think she mentioned that last night
They are quite understaffed and many had no previous medical training, Mrs Cymek is a phlebotomist so understands how it all works
Her previous employer Western Diagnostic treated staff quite poorly and they were also at the mercy of rude and dumb patients, now if they step out of line you’ve got armed police ready to step in and Pathwest treat the staff decently often buying food when they are busy

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

So greater Brisbane is now a commonwealth hotspot

Princess Margaret will go there for sex

Does she being her own bags

Divine Angel said:

So greater Brisbane is now a commonwealth hotspot, whatever that means.

It’s like being declared a leper colony.

If it is any consolation I’ve always treated Brisbane as such.

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

So greater Brisbane is now a commonwealth hotspot, whatever that means.

It’s like being declared a leper colony.

If it is any consolation I’ve always treated Brisbane as such.

Alex, give sibeen his handle back.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Good move.

Approved!

:)

They’re just admitting failure because they don’t have Gold Standard.

The standard was taken off gold back in 1971.

How we all lost the Gold Standard:

On leaving the gold standard, a serious discussion

Morrison Announces Sensibles, Probably Made By Others In National Cabinet

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/national-cabinet-coronavirus-uk-strain-flights-masks-mandatory/13041946
International passenger caps will be halved and all passengers, including on domestic flights, will have to wear masks as part of new protocols agreed to by National Cabinet.

When asked by the Magistrate if he intended to stay in WA, Jones replied:

“Yes, it’s my intention to be in Kakadu by June for the barramundi season and I plan to work my way up the coast.”

—

wait we thought it was MIGRANTS who were the donkeys, and didn’t get the language, and went around spreading disease

dv said:

In all the excitement I forgot to mention that the USA broke the 4k barrier yesterday with 4100 covid19 deaths

It’s OK, someone here did mention it. I can’t remember who it was though.

Repurposing drugs
Another life-saving treatment is found for covid-19
Two drugs for arthritis prove strikingly effective

Science & technology
Jan 7th 2021
GOOD NEWS from covid-19 wards is hard to come by these days. A relentless surge in infections is overwhelming hospitals around the world. But the results from clinical trials of two drugs announced today just improved the prognosis, for both patients and hospitals.

The two drugs, called tocilizumab and sarilumab, are currently used to reduce inflammation in patients with arthritis. Hyper-inflammation, whereby the immune system goes into overdrive and destroys the organs, is how covid-19 tends to kill. The search for suitable anti-inflammatory drugs for covid-19 has already turned up one, dexamethasone. It is a cheap steroid that dampens the immune system across the board. In contrast, tocilizumab and sarilumab are more targeted. They are both made of antibodies that block the effect of interleukin-6, a protein that stokes the immune response and has been prominent in patients with covid-19.

The clinical trial of tocilizumab and sarilumab enrolled 800 patients hospitalised for covid-19 who were ill enough to require transfer to intensive-care units (ICUs). The trial was conducted in six countries, with most of the participants in Britain. (It has an efficient programme of covid-19 drug trials, in which a quarter of hospitalised patients are enrolled). Half of the 800 patients received one of the two drugs on top of the standard treatment, and the other half received only the standard treatment (including dexamethasone).

Nearly 36% of patients in the standard-treatment group died, compared with 27% of patients in the group that also received tocilizumab or sarilumab. In other words, it cut the death rate by about a quarter. Moreover, the patients treated with these drugs recovered faster and were discharged from hospital seven to ten days earlier. The reduction in hospital stay would free up lots of ICU beds—welcome news in places like Britain and America, where lots of hospitals are running out of beds.

The two drugs appear to work equally well, though the results are more certain for tocilizumab which is an older, more widely available drug and was, therefore, given to the vast majority of participants in the new-treatment arm of the trial.

The drugs are not cheap, and so may be beyond the means of developing countries. In Britain a course of intravenous treatment costs £750-1,000 (about $1,000-1,400). The shorter ICU stay more than offsets this amount; a day at the ICU costs the country’s National Health Service (NHS) around £2,000 per patient. And, in general, patients who spend fewer days in intensive care recover faster afterwards and need less rehabilitation.

The NHS will start using tocilizumab immediately for covid-19 patients at ICUs. Hospitals already have supplies of the drug and the government is working with Roche, a drug manufacturer that makes it, to increase supplies. For now, Britain has banned exports of both tocilizumab and sarilumab. As covid-19 deaths continue, the trial results bring a ray of hope for patients, exhausted health workers and the millions of people under lockdown.

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/01/07/another-life-saving-treatment-is-found-for-covid-19?

NSWuhan / Federal: “No border closures¡ New Normal¡ Live With Virus¡ LOL it spread to Victoria again All Dan’s Fault LOL¡¡¡”

QLD: “Uh just letting you know everyone, we have a little problem, going to try and get it under control but please be careful and watch out if we slip up with this difficult work.”

—

Queensland has ended its 113 day streak of no community infection with a quarantine breech&91;sic&93; that has resulted in a cleaner picking up the highly infectious UK strain.

Brisbane will now endure a snap 3 day lockdown to ensure that things are firmly in control.

They have advised other states to be cautious of people travelling from QLD.

Before anyone claims this is a disproportionate overreaction, over 1000 people have died in the UK every day for the past 2 days, due to this highly infectious strain that is ripping through the community and making it easier for vulnerable people to catch.

Autopsies Reveal The Terrible Damage COVID-19 Can Inflict on The Human Brain

As COVID-19 relentlessly infects more and more of us, scientists are getting a close look at the strange and frightening damage it can inflict on our bodies.

We’ve known since early in the pandemic this disease wreaks havoc on more than just the respiratory system, also causing gastrointestinal conditions, heart damage and blood clotting disorders.

Now, a year into the pandemic, in-depth autopsies of COVID-19 patients have revealed greater details of widespread inflammation and damage in brain tissues. This may help explain the deluge of neurological symptoms that have manifested in some patients, from headaches, memory loss, dizziness, weakness and hallucinations to more severe seizures and strokes.

Some estimate that up to 50 percent of those hospitalised with COVID-19 could have neurological symptoms that can leave people struggling to do even common daily tasks like preparing a meal.

“We were completely surprised. Originally, we expected to see damage that is caused by a lack of oxygen,” said physician and clinical director at National Institute of Health (NIH), Avindra Nath.

“Instead, we saw multifocal areas of damage that is usually associated with strokes and neuroinflammatory diseases.”

The NIH researchers, including physician Myoung-Hwa Lee and Nath, performed close examinations of brain tissues from 19 deceased patients. They ranged from 5 to 73 years old and many had risk factors for severe coronavirus, including diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Using powerful MRI microscopy, Lee and team identified 10 patients with brain abnormalities. Closer examination under a microscope revealed hyperintensities – bright spots in the micrograph image of the brain samples – which fluorescent microscopy showed to be leaked fibrinogen (a blood protein).

T cells and the brain’s specialised immune cells, microglia, surrounded these spots in a number of patients; there were also dark areas of clotted bleeding. These led the researchers to conclude these patients had experienced multiple, mini brain bleeds – a type of damage usually associated with inflammation in the brain.

“The very small blood vessels in the brain were leaking,” Nath told NPR. “And it wasn’t evenly – you would find a small blood vessel here and a small blood vessel there.”

It’s not just those seriously ill enough to require intensive care, or have pre-existing conditions, that have displayed neurological symptoms from COVID-19.

“We’ve seen this group of younger people without conventional risk factors who are having strokes, and patients having acute changes in mental status that are not otherwise explained,” University of Liverpool neurologist Benedict Michael told Nature back in September.

Patients have suffered delusions and developed psychosis. In one case, a 55-year-old woman started seeing lions and monkeys in her home, before believing a friend or family member had been replaced by an identical imposter (a Capgras delusion).

Despite tests to detect the virus in the brain tissues, Lee and team found no trace of SARS-CoV-2, but caution in their report: “It is possible that the virus was cleared by the time of death or that viral copy numbers were below the level of detection by our assays.”

While other studies have located traces of the virus in the brain, the levels were low and appear to be rare.

“So far, our results suggest that the damage we saw may not have been caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus directly infecting the brain,” said Nath. Instead the damage may be due to the body’s inflammatory response to the virus, he explained.

Because of low sample size and limited clinical information the team says they can’t draw any direct conclusions just yet. But their findings align with EEG tests that have revealed encephalopathy in COVID-19 patients – disturbances in the brain’s typical electrical activity that can signify swelling and inflammation.

It also aligns with studies showing the virus can trigger other dangerous immune responses that in some cases cause even more harm than the virus itself has directly.

Researchers are concerned about the implications of brain inflammation on people’s long-term health, given it’s associated with memory loss and Alzheimer’s disease and some patients are already suffering lingering neurological consequences such as chronic fatigue and Guillain–Barré Syndromes.

“In the future, we plan to study how COVID-19 harms the brain’s blood vessels and whether that produces some of the short- and long-term symptoms we see in patients,” said Nath.

Their report was published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

“Imports of US and British vaccines into the country are banned. I have told this to officials and I’m saying it publicly now,” the Ayatollah said in a live televised speech.

“If the Americans were able to produce a vaccine, they would not have such a coronavirus fiasco in their own country.”

Iran has been the worst-hit country by the coronavirus in the Middle East.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1peTMs_kIgA52s911XBL6qcfAqf32aEhY/view

SCIENCE said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1peTMs_kIgA52s911XBL6qcfAqf32aEhY/view

Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Atlantic & Northern Canada.

OK, the first three were easy, I was stumped after that.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1peTMs_kIgA52s911XBL6qcfAqf32aEhY/view

Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Atlantic & Northern Canada.

OK, the first three were easy, I was stumped after that.

we hadn’t been reading much out of CA for a bit, didn’t seem to be where the happenings were but it’s still an interesting perspective

After Trump, Many Fanatics Pull Their Heads In

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/victoria-declares-greater-brisbane-a-red-zone/13043900

The Prime Minister also backed the Brisbane lockdown, saying he believed it was “proportionate” given the risk of spread from the UK strain.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/victoria-declares-greater-brisbane-a-red-zone/13043900

Something to watch for the next 2 weeks, see if this cryptocurrency flock immunity through the proper channels thing really is all it’s cracked up to be.

Israel West And Greater Palestine

The US had 280,000 new cases and 4,200 Covid deaths yesterday.

I can’t even…

Rule 303 said:

The US had 280,000 new cases and 4,200 Covid deaths yesterday.

I can’t even…

but both of those numbers are even,

Blind Faith Even An Evangelical Hillsinger Wishes He Had

but it’s pretty true

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/passengers-from-queensland-annoyed-at-new-wa-hard-border/13043178

Rex Codd was waiting at Perth Airport for his daughter, who he had not seen for seven months, but she ended up grabbing the next available flight back to Brisbane.

“I always think Mark McGowan is doing the right thing, WA has been the safest place in the world,” he said.

The confirmed case of the UK COVID-19 variant in Queensland injects more uncertainty into Australia’s pandemic response

Experts say Australians may have had a ‘false sense of security’ before the discovery

They say Australians need to prepare for more sharp and swift lockdowns

—

wake up you fuckers hey

welcome to living with the virus

From the ABC blog:

Mask wearing is definitely compulsory in Brisbane while driving. Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath made this clear yesterday:

“Yes to both . We want to make this as simple as possible for everybody when you leave your household put it on and keep it on until you get back home … you should have the mask on at all times including in the car.”

You’re right that masks were not necessary while driving alone in a personal car when Victoria was locked down. It seems like the main reason they’re mandatory while driving in Queensland is that authorities wanted to implement some straightforward and simple rules for this short lockdown. If this lockdown was extended, I think it would be a safe assumption that authorities would refine the rules and make them a bit more nuanced.

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC blog:

Mask wearing is definitely compulsory in Brisbane while driving. Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath made this clear yesterday:

“Yes to both . We want to make this as simple as possible for everybody when you leave your household put it on and keep it on until you get back home … you should have the mask on at all times including in the car.”

You’re right that masks were not necessary while driving alone in a personal car when Victoria was locked down. It seems like the main reason they’re mandatory while driving in Queensland is that authorities wanted to implement some straightforward and simple rules for this short lockdown. If this lockdown was extended, I think it would be a safe assumption that authorities would refine the rules and make them a bit more nuanced.

so whaddya reckon, is it more simple or is it more confusing

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC blog:

Mask wearing is definitely compulsory in Brisbane while driving. Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath made this clear yesterday:

“Yes to both . We want to make this as simple as possible for everybody when you leave your household put it on and keep it on until you get back home … you should have the mask on at all times including in the car.”

You’re right that masks were not necessary while driving alone in a personal car when Victoria was locked down. It seems like the main reason they’re mandatory while driving in Queensland is that authorities wanted to implement some straightforward and simple rules for this short lockdown. If this lockdown was extended, I think it would be a safe assumption that authorities would refine the rules and make them a bit more nuanced.

so whaddya reckon, is it more simple or is it more confusing

Keep it on 24 hours a day would make it more simple for Queenslanders.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC blog:

Mask wearing is definitely compulsory in Brisbane while driving. Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath made this clear yesterday:

“Yes to both . We want to make this as simple as possible for everybody when you leave your household put it on and keep it on until you get back home … you should have the mask on at all times including in the car.”

You’re right that masks were not necessary while driving alone in a personal car when Victoria was locked down. It seems like the main reason they’re mandatory while driving in Queensland is that authorities wanted to implement some straightforward and simple rules for this short lockdown. If this lockdown was extended, I think it would be a safe assumption that authorities would refine the rules and make them a bit more nuanced.

so whaddya reckon, is it more simple or is it more confusing

It’s simple in terms of The Rules, but confusing because why are we wearing masks in our own car?

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC blog:

Mask wearing is definitely compulsory in Brisbane while driving. Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath made this clear yesterday:

“Yes to both . We want to make this as simple as possible for everybody when you leave your household put it on and keep it on until you get back home … you should have the mask on at all times including in the car.”

You’re right that masks were not necessary while driving alone in a personal car when Victoria was locked down. It seems like the main reason they’re mandatory while driving in Queensland is that authorities wanted to implement some straightforward and simple rules for this short lockdown. If this lockdown was extended, I think it would be a safe assumption that authorities would refine the rules and make them a bit more nuanced.

so whaddya reckon, is it more simple or is it more confusing

More simple. Go out the door. Wear a mask.

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC blog:

Mask wearing is definitely compulsory in Brisbane while driving. Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath made this clear yesterday:

“Yes to both . We want to make this as simple as possible for everybody when you leave your household put it on and keep it on until you get back home … you should have the mask on at all times including in the car.”

You’re right that masks were not necessary while driving alone in a personal car when Victoria was locked down. It seems like the main reason they’re mandatory while driving in Queensland is that authorities wanted to implement some straightforward and simple rules for this short lockdown. If this lockdown was extended, I think it would be a safe assumption that authorities would refine the rules and make them a bit more nuanced.

so whaddya reckon, is it more simple or is it more confusing

It’s simple in terms of The Rules, but confusing because why are we wearing masks in our own car?

More simple. Go out the door. Wear a mask.

fair, we do prefer to drive mask off but it’s easy to not bother and just leave it on

suppose it’ll be one of those edge cases where enforcement of a simplified rule is very discretionary

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

Divine Angel said:

It’s simple in terms of The Rules, but confusing because why are we wearing masks in our own car?

More simple. Go out the door. Wear a mask.

fair, we do prefer to drive mask off but it’s easy to not bother and just leave it on

suppose it’ll be one of those edge cases where enforcement of a simplified rule is very discretionary

I think it will be more absolute. Outside the house wear a mask or be fined. Simple. No thought required.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC blog:

Mask wearing is definitely compulsory in Brisbane while driving. Queensland Health Minister Yvette D’Ath made this clear yesterday:

“Yes to both . We want to make this as simple as possible for everybody when you leave your household put it on and keep it on until you get back home … you should have the mask on at all times including in the car.”

You’re right that masks were not necessary while driving alone in a personal car when Victoria was locked down. It seems like the main reason they’re mandatory while driving in Queensland is that authorities wanted to implement some straightforward and simple rules for this short lockdown. If this lockdown was extended, I think it would be a safe assumption that authorities would refine the rules and make them a bit more nuanced.

so whaddya reckon, is it more simple or is it more confusing

It’s simple in terms of The Rules, but confusing because why are we wearing masks in our own car?

Because Queenslanders cannot be trusted!!!!

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

More simple. Go out the door. Wear a mask.

fair, we do prefer to drive mask off but it’s easy to not bother and just leave it on

suppose it’ll be one of those edge cases where enforcement of a simplified rule is very discretionary

I think it will be more absolute. Outside the house wear a mask or be fined. Simple. No thought required.

It’s the kind of rules qlders are most comfortable with…

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

fair, we do prefer to drive mask off but it’s easy to not bother and just leave it on

suppose it’ll be one of those edge cases where enforcement of a simplified rule is very discretionary

I think it will be more absolute. Outside the house wear a mask or be fined. Simple. No thought required.

It’s the kind of rules qlders are most comfortable with…

Wear a mask all day every day. Qlders should understand that.

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

fair, we do prefer to drive mask off but it’s easy to not bother and just leave it on

suppose it’ll be one of those edge cases where enforcement of a simplified rule is very discretionary

I think it will be more absolute. Outside the house wear a mask or be fined. Simple. No thought required.

It’s the kind of rules qlders are most comfortable with…

True. In the other States people keep trying to get out of complying with often pathetic excuses. This law closes most loopholes. If there is a legit reason then tell it to the judge.

Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

I think it will be more absolute. Outside the house wear a mask or be fined. Simple. No thought required.

It’s the kind of rules qlders are most comfortable with…

True. In the other States people keep trying to get out of complying with often pathetic excuses. This law closes most loopholes. If there is a legit reason then tell it to the judge.

You should secede to Singapore …

SCIENCE said:

fair, we do prefer to drive mask off but it’s easy to not bother and just leave it on

suppose it’ll be one of those edge cases where enforcement of a simplified rule is very discretionary

It might come down to ‘the Abbott Test’:

if you’re a copper, and you find someone breaching the rules, you have to ask yourself ‘what would i do if this was Tony Abbott?’.

As happened recently in Sydney, where it seems that the answer is ‘not a lot’.

It’s not all bad…

SARS‐CoV‐2‐induced remission of Hodgkin lymphoma

https://doi.org/10.1111/bjh.17116

poikilotherm said:

It’s not all bad…

SARS‐CoV‐2‐induced remission of Hodgkin lymphoma

https://doi.org/10.1111/bjh.17116

That’s weird. Sort of like that distraction technique magicians use – misdirection of the immune system.

:)

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

It’s not all bad…

SARS‐CoV‐2‐induced remission of Hodgkin lymphoma

https://doi.org/10.1111/bjh.17116

like that distraction technique magicians use – misdirection of the

this Trump Virus thing taught us much

Big Ups to Morrison for not playing politics on this one

dv said:

Big Ups to Morrison for not playing politics on this one

Always late to the party. Playing catchup.

dv said:

Big Ups to Morrison for not playing politics on this one

Agree with both Qld and Federal on this one.

dv said:

Big Ups to Morrison

You don’t see that every day :)

dv said:

Big Ups to Morrison for not playing politics on this one

He’s obviously been hacked.

In Fairness They Did Say That After Trump, Many Fanatics Pull Their Heads In

Backward CHINA Gets It The Wrong Way Around Again

While The Rest Of The World Opens Up As Cases Rise, Chinese City Closes Subway In Response To Decrease In Cases

CHINA has reported 33 new cases of Covid-19, mainly in Hebei province where authorities have suspended the subway service and announced tight new restrictions ahead of Lunar New year.

Reuters:

Mainland CHINA reported 33 new Covid-19 cases on 8 January, down from 53 reported a day earlier, the country’s national health authority said on Saturday.

The National Health Commission said in a statement that 14 of the 17 locally transmitted infections were in Hebei, the province surrounding Beijing which entered a “wartime mode” this week as it battles a new cluster of coronavirus infections.

Shijiazhuang, Hebei’s capital, announced on Saturday it would suspend service on its subway. Earlier this week, authorities banned people from leaving the city in an effort to curb the spread of the disease.

Shijiazhuang is launching mass testing across its population of 11 million. On 8 January municipal authorities told residents they must stay home for at least seven days even after they complete a nucleic acid test.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Woo, go Qld! No new cases.

:)

Good stuff!

OK, in the correct thread now.

:)

A 37-year-old man who allegedly jumped off a bulk carrier ship and swam to shore in Albany, on the state’s south coast, is an “unusual” example of a breach of WA quarantine rules and one that would be “hard to stop”, according to Premier Mark McGowan.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-10/man-charged-after-allegedly-breaching-quarantine-rules-in-wa/13045994

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-10/covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine-most-australians-will-get-paul-kelly/13045960

mollwollfumble said:

Looks legit.

area we’ve marked in light red seems a bit suspect

Sverige

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/covid-19-return-traveller-intake-changes-in-australia/13042660

All passengers must test negative before arriving in Australia.
Mask wearing is also now compulsory (excluding children 12 and under and those with other accepted exemptions) in all international and domestic airports and flights.
Quarantine workers such as cleaners in quarantine hotels or bus drivers at airports will also now have to undertake daily testing.

Will flights get more expensive?

On February 14, a Qatar flight from London to Brisbane, where only business class is being offered, will cost roughly $13,000.
A flight from Los Angeles to Brisbane on United Airlines on the same date, again with only business class available, is priced at roughly $21,000.
“I don’t know a lot of people who have $21,000 lying around,” Mr Fyfe said.

damn

Speaking of elections…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-10/clive-palmer-united-australia-party-not-contesting-wa-election/13046336

good

but

still an arsehole

and

interesting that it comes after what seems to have happened to populists recently

SCIENCE said:

Speaking of elections…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-10/clive-palmer-united-australia-party-not-contesting-wa-election/13046336

good

but

still an arsehole

and

interesting that it comes after what seems to have happened to populists recently

He was already unpopular and his party got 4/5th of bugger all votes in the WA special Senate elections. (when we all had to vote a second time). I don’t think he even contested the 2017 state election, and his party had already announced its deregistration.

That was before the latest attempts ot sue the state and challenge the borders. He has no chance now. We’re not a violent lot over here, but he’d get more bayonets in the belly that he would gets votes on paper., and the number of bayonets would be a non-positive integer.

party_pants said:

and the number of bayonets would be a non-positive integer.

OK, not getting that.

Do you all love him that much?

It’s hard for me to imagine negative bayonets so … I assume that must be zero.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

and the number of bayonets would be a non-positive integer.

OK, not getting that.

Do you all love him that much?

there would be zero bayonets, therefore his number of votes will not exceed zero.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

and the number of bayonets would be a non-positive integer.

OK, not getting that.

Do you all love him that much?

there would be zero bayonets, therefore his number of votes will not exceed zero.

Oh, OK.

maybe I should have said it is more likely he’d get a bayonet in the guts than get a vote.

But would sound a bit too violent, since the bayonet thing is completely unlikely to begin with.

but you know, I just typed up some semi-coherent shit and hit submit.

Mark McGowan has been getting ~90% approval ratings in the polls. Even though the Libs currently only hold 13 seats it is possible they might lose some more…

dv said:

Mark McGowan has been getting ~90% approval ratings in the polls. Even though the Libs currently only hold 13 seats it is possible they might lose some more…

I think things will swing very quickly if he stumbles on any of the lock-down measures in the next few weeks.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Mark McGowan has been getting ~90% approval ratings in the polls. Even though the Libs currently only hold 13 seats it is possible they might lose some more…

I think things will swing very quickly if he stumbles on any of the lock-down measures in the next few weeks.

True enough. There’s many a slip between cup and lip. But so far the ALP here has been cautious as the Dickens and it has met with approval.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Mark McGowan has been getting ~90% approval ratings in the polls. Even though the Libs currently only hold 13 seats it is possible they might lose some more…

I think things will swing very quickly if he stumbles on any of the lock-down measures in the next few weeks.

True enough. There’s many a slip between cup and lip. But so far the ALP here has been cautious as the Dickens and it has met with approval.

Yes. I think they’ll win a second term. It is rare in WA for a new government not to get a second term unless they really mess things up. So I think they’ll get a second term anyway. Whether this ends up being a second landslide and annihilation of the Libs, or a second term with a reduced majority is probably what is at stake here. So far it is leaning towards the former – I haven’t heard anything from Kirkup so far.

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I think things will swing very quickly if he stumbles on any of the lock-down measures in the next few weeks.

True enough. There’s many a slip between cup and lip. But so far the ALP here has been cautious as the Dickens and it has met with approval.

Yes. I think they’ll win a second term. It is rare in WA for a new government not to get a second term unless they really mess things up. So I think they’ll get a second term anyway. Whether this ends up being a second landslide and annihilation of the Libs, or a second term with a reduced majority is probably what is at stake here. So far it is leaning towards the former – I haven’t heard anything from Kirkup so far.

I dare say ALP is hoping to get control of the upper house. Right now out of 36 seats, Labor has 14 and Greens have 4: together making a neat half so they have to go shopping for minor party support to get a majority.

This is despite getting a big majority of the vote in the upper house, because …

The WA Legislative Council is the last remaining State or Territory chamber in Australia to have a significant rural overweighting. The Mining and Pastoral Region, for example, has nearly a quarter the number of electors as those in the three metropolitan regions. On paper, this gives Mining and Pastoral almost six times the voting power of Perth. However, according to Green, the actual bias is greater due to historically low turnout in the Mining and Pastoral region.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Yes. I think they’ll win a second term. It is rare in WA for a new government not to get a second term unless they really mess things up. So I think they’ll get a second term anyway. Whether this ends up being a second landslide and annihilation of the Libs, or a second term with a reduced majority is probably what is at stake here. So far it is leaning towards the former – I haven’t heard anything from Kirkup so far.

I dare say ALP is hoping to get control of the upper house. Right now out of 36 seats, Labor has 14 and Greens have 4: together making a neat half so they have to go shopping for minor party support to get a majority.

This is despite getting a big majority of the vote in the upper house, because …

The WA Legislative Council is the last remaining State or Territory chamber in Australia to have a significant rural overweighting. The Mining and Pastoral Region, for example, has nearly a quarter the number of electors as those in the three metropolitan regions. On paper, this gives Mining and Pastoral almost six times the voting power of Perth. However, according to Green, the actual bias is greater due to historically low turnout in the Mining and Pastoral region.

I had not thought about that. Good point.

I should have known that on matters electoral you’d be way ahead of the rest of us. My apologies.

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

I dare say ALP is hoping to get control of the upper house. Right now out of 36 seats, Labor has 14 and Greens have 4: together making a neat half so they have to go shopping for minor party support to get a majority.

This is despite getting a big majority of the vote in the upper house, because …

The WA Legislative Council is the last remaining State or Territory chamber in Australia to have a significant rural overweighting. The Mining and Pastoral Region, for example, has nearly a quarter the number of electors as those in the three metropolitan regions. On paper, this gives Mining and Pastoral almost six times the voting power of Perth. However, according to Green, the actual bias is greater due to historically low turnout in the Mining and Pastoral region.

I had not thought about that. Good point.

I should have known that on matters electoral you’d be way ahead of the rest of us. My apologies.

Well there’s no need to apologise, I’m just googling same as everyone else…

SCIENCE said:

area we’ve marked in light red seems a bit suspect

Sverige

This doesn’t match with worldometers graph, which gives 31 deaths on Jan 8, but it looks like that is two days worth, because Jan 7 empty.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Why has Johns Hopkins got 100 but worldometers has got 31?

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

area we’ve marked in light red seems a bit suspect

Sverige

This doesn’t match with worldometers graph, which gives 31 deaths on Jan 8, but it looks like that is two days worth, because Jan 7 empty.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Why has Johns Hopkins got 100 but worldometers has got 31?

“Rolling 7 day average”.

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

area we’ve marked in light red seems a bit suspect

Sverige

This doesn’t match with worldometers graph, which gives 31 deaths on Jan 8, but it looks like that is two days worth, because Jan 7 empty.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Why has Johns Hopkins got 100 but worldometers has got 31?

“Rolling 7 day average”.

Ah, ta. I should have read more carefully.

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

buffy said:

This doesn’t match with worldometers graph, which gives 31 deaths on Jan 8, but it looks like that is two days worth, because Jan 7 empty.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Why has Johns Hopkins got 100 but worldometers has got 31?

“Rolling 7 day average”.

Ah, ta. I should have read more carefully.

Hang on though…you can put a 3 day or a 7 day average on the worldometers one…and it’s quite different from that one labelled as based on Johns Hopkins.

buffy said:

buffy said:

Dark Orange said:

“Rolling 7 day average”.

Ah, ta. I should have read more carefully.

Hang on though…you can put a 3 day or a 7 day average on the worldometers one…and it’s quite different from that one labelled as based on Johns Hopkins.

could it be the rolling

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Ah, ta. I should have read more carefully.

Hang on though…you can put a 3 day or a 7 day average on the worldometers one…and it’s quite different from that one labelled as based on Johns Hopkins.

could it be the rolling

?

All averages over a time period are “rolling”, aren’t they?

Qld Premier is due to speak in about three minutes.

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Masks to be worn indoors for the next ten days.

Divine Angel said:

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Has anyone given a justification for making the lockdown so short?

The news this morning was that the far-right corrupt NSW Premier has taken a swipe at the Vic Premier for closing the borders without consulting her.

Dafuq are they putting in the water up there?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Has anyone given a justification for making the lockdown so short?

Trump, BoJo, Morrison… I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this.

Rule 303 said:

The news this morning was that the far-right corrupt NSW Premier has taken a swipe at the Vic Premier for closing the borders without consulting her.

Dafuq are they putting in the water up there?

Dan Andrews probably couldn’t stand the thought of Our Glad whining ‘awww,D-a-a-an, don’t do that, it makes me look bad’.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Has anyone given a justification for making the lockdown so short?

My understanding is it was to give the contact tracers a chance without overwhelming them.

Divine Angel said:

Qld Premier is due to speak in about three minutes.

The comments on the facebook live feed suggest that there are many people in Qld I want nothing to do with.

Divine Angel said:

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Great news.

:)

sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld Premier is due to speak in about three minutes.

The comments on the facebook live feed suggest that there are many people in Qld I want nothing to do with.

Never read the comments 😊

She’s getting massively trolled on Twitter by idiots.

Divine Angel said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Has anyone given a justification for making the lockdown so short?

My understanding is it was to give the contact tracers a chance without overwhelming them.

OK, that sounds fairly reasonable.

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld Premier is due to speak in about three minutes.

The comments on the facebook live feed suggest that there are many people in Qld I want nothing to do with.

Never read the comments 😊

She’s getting massively trolled on Twitter by idiots.

Twitter = for twits

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

The comments on the facebook live feed suggest that there are many people in Qld I want nothing to do with.

Never read the comments 😊

She’s getting massively trolled on Twitter by idiots.

Twitter = for twits

Also an excellent place for networking with writers, or stalking favourite celebrities.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Never read the comments 😊

She’s getting massively trolled on Twitter by idiots.

Twitter = for twits

Also an excellent place for networking with writers, or stalking favourite celebrities.

Like any medium, down to how you use it.

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld Premier is due to speak in about three minutes.

The comments on the facebook live feed suggest that there are many people in Qld I want nothing to do with.

Never read the comments 😊

She’s getting massively trolled on Twitter by idiots.

We need less idiots.

sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

The comments on the facebook live feed suggest that there are many people in Qld I want nothing to do with.

Never read the comments 😊

She’s getting massively trolled on Twitter by idiots.

We need less idiots.

Too right. It’s the idiots who put the rest of us in danger.

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

Never read the comments 😊

She’s getting massively trolled on Twitter by idiots.

We need less idiots.

Too right. It’s the idiots who put the rest of us in danger.

There is so much reiteration of MAGA garbage. Still. After the past few days.

Rule 303 said:

The news this morning was that the far-right corrupt NSW Premier has taken a swipe at the Vic Premier for closing the borders without consulting her.

Dafuq are they putting in the water up there?

Saw footage of that on the ABC news last night. Mr buffy and I looked at each other immediately, with raised eyebrows. There was no comment that seemed to fit the absurdity. Especially as they then showed footage of the Victorian minister saying who he had talked to (“on numerous occasions”) about it.

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Has anyone given a justification for making the lockdown so short?

Trump, BoJo, Morrison… I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this.

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Has anyone given a justification for making the lockdown so short?

Trump, BoJo, Morrison… I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this.

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Trump, BoJo, Morrison… I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this.

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

So despite; Mr Christensen posted on Facebook:

“All they can do now is cheat. And that’s what the President’s now saying and Twitter is censoring.”
Later that month, he posted “I’m going to say it. Masks and lockdowns don’t work”, alongside an article he argued supported the point.

Our ‘police state’ has kept us largely safe.

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Trump, BoJo, Morrison… I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this.

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

Islands. Australia. NZ.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

Islands. Australia. NZ.

and obviously Greenland.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

Islands. Australia. NZ.

The UK is also an island.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

Islands. Australia. NZ.

The UK is also an island.

One that people can swim to.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

Islands. Australia. NZ.

Indeed

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

Islands. Australia. NZ.

The UK is also an island.

Sort of. It doesn’t behave like one. It’s got a tunnel…

buffy said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Islands. Australia. NZ.

The UK is also an island.

Sort of. It doesn’t behave like one. It’s got a tunnel…

Latest piece of net insanity.
Ozzie Osbourne was patient zero. He became the first human infected when he bit off the bat’s head.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

The UK is also an island.

Sort of. It doesn’t behave like one. It’s got a tunnel…

Latest piece of net insanity.
Ozzie Osbourne was patient zero. He became the first human infected when he bit off the bat’s head.

He’s been very quiet lately.

Vietnam and CHINA are pretty island-like as well, the bloody communists, isolate them isolate them!

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

So despite; Mr Christensen posted on Facebook:

“All they can do now is cheat. And that’s what the President’s now saying and Twitter is censoring.”
Later that month, he posted “I’m going to say it. Masks and lockdowns don’t work”, alongside an article he argued supported the point.

Our ‘police state’ has kept us largely safe.

you mean VIC yeah

SCIENCE said:

Vietnam and CHINA are pretty island-like as well, the bloody communists, isolate them isolate them!

China has lots of land borders.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Vietnam and CHINA are pretty island-like as well, the bloody communists, isolate them isolate them!

China has lots of land borders.

They have a large border with Magnolia.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Vietnam and CHINA are pretty island-like as well, the bloody communists, isolate them isolate them!

China has lots of land borders.

They have a large border with Magnolia.

China shares international borders with 14 sovereign states. In addition, there is a 30-kilometre border with the special administrative region of Hong Kong, which was a British dependency before 1997, and a 3-kilometre border with Macau, a Portuguese territory until 1999. With a land border of 22,117 kilometres in total it also has the longest land border of any country.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Sort of. It doesn’t behave like one. It’s got a tunnel…

Latest piece of net insanity.
Ozzie Osbourne was patient zero. He became the first human infected when he bit off the bat’s head.

He’s been very quiet lately.

Might be because he is old and probably a bit tired after a lifetime of antics and drugs and alcohol…

The Rev Dodgson said:

Divine Angel said:

Lockdown lifted but restrictions for next 10 days

Has anyone given a justification for making the lockdown so short?

Maybe they really are doing all right.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-11/coronavirus-queensland-will-lockdown-be-lifted-greater-brisbane/13030252

Have we just been lucky so far?

Professor MacIntyre said Queensland had fared well because authorities “acted early and acted fast”.

“The mask mandate was implemented immediately and hopefully that will have a really strong impact on reducing any further transmission if there has been any,” she said.

—

you know what we SCIENCE think about confident assertions in self-evaluation

however

their claim of good performance based on SCIENCE factors rather than intrinsic exceptionalism is reassuring

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Latest piece of net insanity.
Ozzie Osbourne was patient zero. He became the first human infected when he bit off the bat’s head.

He’s been very quiet lately.

Might be because he is old and probably a bit tired after a lifetime of antics and drugs and alcohol…

Corona couldn’t survive in Ozzie’s body.

sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

Qld Premier is due to speak in about three minutes.

The comments on the facebook live feed suggest that there are many people in Qld I want nothing to do with.

An Australian child has tested positive on arrival in Israel after spending time in Victoria

No word yet on a Victorian press conference, but the DHHS has provided some early information on a positive case that was likely active in Armadale:

“DHHS can confirm a positive case of an Australian child has been reported from arrival testing in Israel on the 9th January.

“The child last attended an Early Learning Centre in Armadale on 7th January. The centre has been contacted and cleaning and contact tracing is underway.

“We are working with colleagues in Israel to confirm the test result.

“In the meantime, DHHS are taking all necessary precautions and investigating potential exposure sites- including where the child may have been exposed themselves.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-11/coronavirus-live-news-covid19-brisbane-lockdown/13046370

Here, have another dose of Sebastian.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/10/are-the-covid-vaccines-safe-and-effective/

buffy, or anybody.

I now have my first smart phone up and running.

How to use qr codes to check in for coronavirus?

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes the three of them have been hopeless in trying to control the pandemic.

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

So despite; Mr Christensen posted on Facebook:

“All they can do now is cheat. And that’s what the President’s now saying and Twitter is censoring.”
Later that month, he posted “I’m going to say it. Masks and lockdowns don’t work”, alongside an article he argued supported the point.

Our ‘police state’ has kept us largely safe.

I think our states have done that job. Every now and then this forum discusses getting rid of the states because they are useless and expensive. right at the moment I amglad for them.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy, or anybody.

I now have my first smart phone up and running.

How to use qr codes to check in for coronavirus?

You may to download a QR scanner app from GooglePlay or the Applestore.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

So despite; Mr Christensen posted on Facebook:

“All they can do now is cheat. And that’s what the President’s now saying and Twitter is censoring.”
Later that month, he posted “I’m going to say it. Masks and lockdowns don’t work”, alongside an article he argued supported the point.

Our ‘police state’ has kept us largely safe.

I think our states have done that job. Every now and then this forum discusses getting rid of the states because they are useless and expensive. right at the moment I amglad for them.

:) Yes. All the unmarried policemen are on the borders.
It is quiet around town on the police presence.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy, or anybody.

I now have my first smart phone up and running.

How to use qr codes to check in for coronavirus?

Open the photo app which comes with the phone, it should automatically take you to the sign in website

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Australia has faired well compared to just about everywhere else

So despite; Mr Christensen posted on Facebook:

“All they can do now is cheat. And that’s what the President’s now saying and Twitter is censoring.”
Later that month, he posted “I’m going to say it. Masks and lockdowns don’t work”, alongside an article he argued supported the point.

Our ‘police state’ has kept us largely safe.

I think our states have done that job. Every now and then this forum discusses getting rid of the states because they are useless and expensive. right at the moment I amglad for them.

me too…. I don’t care what anyone says… our life is not different to the way to was this time last year apart from two minor things.. scanning in on the WA safe app everywhere and sanitising hands constantly. other than that it’s life as usual..

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy, or anybody.

I now have my first smart phone up and running.

How to use qr codes to check in for coronavirus?

You may to download a QR scanner app from GooglePlay or the Applestore.

Most modern cameras will automatically parse the code while in camera mode. If not, then just use an app.

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

So despite; Mr Christensen posted on Facebook:

“All they can do now is cheat. And that’s what the President’s now saying and Twitter is censoring.”
Later that month, he posted “I’m going to say it. Masks and lockdowns don’t work”, alongside an article he argued supported the point.

Our ‘police state’ has kept us largely safe.

I think our states have done that job. Every now and then this forum discusses getting rid of the states because they are useless and expensive. right at the moment I amglad for them.

me too…. I don’t care what anyone says… our life is not different to the way to was this time last year apart from two minor things.. scanning in on the WA safe app everywhere and sanitising hands constantly. other than that it’s life as usual..

I would have said the same prior to last Friday morning.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

I think our states have done that job. Every now and then this forum discusses getting rid of the states because they are useless and expensive. right at the moment I amglad for them.

me too…. I don’t care what anyone says… our life is not different to the way to was this time last year apart from two minor things.. scanning in on the WA safe app everywhere and sanitising hands constantly. other than that it’s life as usual..

I would have said the same prior to last Friday morning.

Around here nothing much changes until it rains.

DA: got it!

The Shire of East Pilbara is one of the four local government areas in the Pilbara region of Western Australia. It an area of 372,571 square kilometres (144,000 sq mi), it is the largest local government region in Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_of_East_Pilbara

Sorry. Wrong thread.

:(

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

I think our states have done that job. Every now and then this forum discusses getting rid of the states because they are useless and expensive. right at the moment I amglad for them.

me too…. I don’t care what anyone says… our life is not different to the way to was this time last year apart from two minor things.. scanning in on the WA safe app everywhere and sanitising hands constantly. other than that it’s life as usual..

I would have said the same prior to last Friday morning.

^ ^^ ^^^

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

me too…. I don’t care what anyone says… our life is not different to the way to was this time last year apart from two minor things.. scanning in on the WA safe app everywhere and sanitising hands constantly. other than that it’s life as usual..

I would have said the same prior to last Friday morning.

^ ^^ ^^^

Mrs Cymek has gotten herself work from it as well.
When she did phlebotomy the company couldn’t give a shit about the employees and some patients were just dumb shits that complained if you asked them to cooperate.
Now she is looked after and if a patient gets antsy the police step in

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

I would have said the same prior to last Friday morning.

^ ^^ ^^^

Mrs Cymek has gotten herself work from it as well.
When she did phlebotomy the company couldn’t give a shit about the employees and some patients were just dumb shits that complained if you asked them to cooperate.
Now she is looked after and if a patient gets antsy the police step in

The lockdowns have been good for some retailers. For example, Dymocks recorded sales increase of up to 400%. Obviously supermarkets have done well too.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-why-some-retailers-are-closing-their-doors-while-others-are-selling-more-than-ever/news-story/d4c239822efaf42972a5dca9da052953

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

^ ^^ ^^^

Mrs Cymek has gotten herself work from it as well.
When she did phlebotomy the company couldn’t give a shit about the employees and some patients were just dumb shits that complained if you asked them to cooperate.
Now she is looked after and if a patient gets antsy the police step in

The lockdowns have been good for some retailers. For example, Dymocks recorded sales increase of up to 400%. Obviously supermarkets have done well too.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-why-some-retailers-are-closing-their-doors-while-others-are-selling-more-than-ever/news-story/d4c239822efaf42972a5dca9da052953

ah CHINA Virus what planet can’t it heal

(yes yes, planet America, we know)

mollwollfumble said:

buffy, or anybody.

I now have my first smart phone up and running.

How to use qr codes to check in for coronavirus?

Me? I haven’t got a smartphone. Mr buffy QRs me, or I sign the paper login. The paper login is faster.

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

^ ^^ ^^^

Mrs Cymek has gotten herself work from it as well.
When she did phlebotomy the company couldn’t give a shit about the employees and some patients were just dumb shits that complained if you asked them to cooperate.
Now she is looked after and if a patient gets antsy the police step in

The lockdowns have been good for some retailers. For example, Dymocks recorded sales increase of up to 400%. Obviously supermarkets have done well too.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-why-some-retailers-are-closing-their-doors-while-others-are-selling-more-than-ever/news-story/d4c239822efaf42972a5dca9da052953

Bunnings probably suffered

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

Mrs Cymek has gotten herself work from it as well.
When she did phlebotomy the company couldn’t give a shit about the employees and some patients were just dumb shits that complained if you asked them to cooperate.
Now she is looked after and if a patient gets antsy the police step in

The lockdowns have been good for some retailers. For example, Dymocks recorded sales increase of up to 400%. Obviously supermarkets have done well too.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-why-some-retailers-are-closing-their-doors-while-others-are-selling-more-than-ever/news-story/d4c239822efaf42972a5dca9da052953

Bunnings probably suffered

Lots of people locked down to home reno.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

The lockdowns have been good for some retailers. For example, Dymocks recorded sales increase of up to 400%. Obviously supermarkets have done well too.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-why-some-retailers-are-closing-their-doors-while-others-are-selling-more-than-ever/news-story/d4c239822efaf42972a5dca9da052953

Bunnings probably suffered

Lots of people locked down to home reno.

I didn’t really affect me at all, still went to work, not much into shopping or eating out and even that didn’t last that long.

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Bunnings probably suffered

Lots of people locked down to home reno.

I didn’t really affect me at all, still went to work, not much into shopping or eating out and even that didn’t last that long.

I was gonna say it didn’t really affect us either apart from Mummy School, but it did. Lord Mutant was already working from home but we normally go to parks, playgrounds, lagoon, library etc and all of those were closed.

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

Lots of people locked down to home reno.

I didn’t really affect me at all, still went to work, not much into shopping or eating out and even that didn’t last that long.

I was gonna say it didn’t really affect us either apart from Mummy School, but it did. Lord Mutant was already working from home but we normally go to parks, playgrounds, lagoon, library etc and all of those were closed.

we got some good remote learning upgrades and threw parties it was good

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

I didn’t really affect me at all, still went to work, not much into shopping or eating out and even that didn’t last that long.

I was gonna say it didn’t really affect us either apart from Mummy School, but it did. Lord Mutant was already working from home but we normally go to parks, playgrounds, lagoon, library etc and all of those were closed.

we got some good remote learning upgrades and threw parties it was good

I loved lockdown… work wise it did affect me, study wise it did not.. lifestyle wise it made things a LOT easier because I no longer had to be the mum taxi to every kid thing on the face of the planet so I had more time. And even though I was earning less money, I was spending far less money than I was earning… so I’d go another lockdown in a New York minute…

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

I was gonna say it didn’t really affect us either apart from Mummy School, but it did. Lord Mutant was already working from home but we normally go to parks, playgrounds, lagoon, library etc and all of those were closed.

we got some good remote learning upgrades and threw parties it was good

I loved lockdown… work wise it did affect me, study wise it did not.. lifestyle wise it made things a LOT easier because I no longer had to be the mum taxi to every kid thing on the face of the planet so I had more time. And even though I was earning less money, I was spending far less money than I was earning… so I’d go another lockdown in a New York minute…

I got some learning done too and the .gov.au chipped in some of the upfront…