When where how?
What is your favourite hypothesis?
When where how?
What is your favourite hypothesis?
mollwollfumble said:
When where how?What is your favourite hypothesis?
1970 SciAm Conway
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
When where how?What is your favourite hypothesis?
1970 SciAm Conway
Really.
Mine is that life is the result of some extremely unlikely interaction between a collection of atoms that happened to be in the right place at the right time, but that happens an infinite number of times across the infinite collection of all universes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
When where how?What is your favourite hypothesis?
1970 SciAm Conway
Really.
Mine is that life is the result of some extremely unlikely interaction between a collection of atoms that happened to be in the right place at the right time, but that happens an infinite number of times across the infinite collection of all universes.
Sounds infinte.
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
When where how?What is your favourite hypothesis?
1970 SciAm Conway
LOL. Not what I was after.
What I’m looking for is place:
Ocean, ocean surface, coast, ocean bottom, hydothermal underground, freshwater lake, oil slick, volcano, asteroid, Mars, etc.?
What I’m looking for is original catalysis:
Lightning, UV, high temperature, evaporation, metal particle, sulfide mineral, clay mineral, protein-like, RNA-like, etc. ?
What I’m looking for is original amount of oxidation:
CH4+NH3, C+NH3, C+N2, CO+NH3, CO2+NH3, no atmosphere, etc. ?
What I’m looking for is original temperature:
>100C, ~100C, ~60C, ~40C, ~20C, etc. ?
What I’m looking for is sequence of chemicals:
lipid first, protein-like first, carbohydrate first, phosphate first, nucleotide first, RNA-like first, etc. ?
Any preferences?
Saying it came on an asteroid, or via Mars, does not answer the question of how it started. It just moves that question a considerable distance away to someplace where we cannot inspect the conditions…
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
When where how?What is your favourite hypothesis?
1970 SciAm Conway
LOL. Not what I was after.
What I’m looking for is place:
Ocean, ocean surface, coast, ocean bottom, hydothermal underground, freshwater lake, oil slick, volcano, asteroid, Mars, etc.?What I’m looking for is original catalysis:
Lightning, UV, high temperature, evaporation, metal particle, sulfide mineral, clay mineral, protein-like, RNA-like, etc. ?What I’m looking for is original amount of oxidation:
CH4+NH3, C+NH3, C+N2, CO+NH3, CO2+NH3, no atmosphere, etc. ?What I’m looking for is original temperature:
>100C, ~100C, ~60C, ~40C, ~20C, etc. ?What I’m looking for is sequence of chemicals:
lipid first, protein-like first, carbohydrate first, phosphate first, nucleotide first, RNA-like first, etc. ?Any preferences?
> Mine is that life is the result of some extremely unlikely interaction between a collection of atoms that happened to be in the right place at the right time, but that happens an infinite number of times across the infinite collection of all universes.
Fair enough. Even one universe may suffice because, beyond the visible horizon the universe is quite big.
furious said:
- Ocean, ocean surface, coast, ocean bottom, hydothermal underground, freshwater lake, oil slick, volcano, asteroid, Mars, etc.?
Saying it came on an asteroid, or via Mars, does not answer the question of how it started. It just moves that question a considerable distance away to someplace where we cannot inspect the conditions…
Agree. Asteroids have no atmosphere, very little or no water, and very little real estate.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:1970 SciAm Conway
LOL. Not what I was after.
What I’m looking for is place:
Ocean, ocean surface, coast, ocean bottom, hydothermal underground, freshwater lake, oil slick, volcano, asteroid, Mars, etc.?What I’m looking for is original catalysis:
Lightning, UV, high temperature, evaporation, metal particle, sulfide mineral, clay mineral, protein-like, RNA-like, etc. ?What I’m looking for is original amount of oxidation:
CH4+NH3, C+NH3, C+N2, CO+NH3, CO2+NH3, no atmosphere, etc. ?What I’m looking for is original temperature:
>100C, ~100C, ~60C, ~40C, ~20C, etc. ?What I’m looking for is sequence of chemicals:
lipid first, protein-like first, carbohydrate first, phosphate first, nucleotide first, RNA-like first, etc. ?Any preferences?
> Mine is that life is the result of some extremely unlikely interaction between a collection of atoms that happened to be in the right place at the right time, but that happens an infinite number of times across the infinite collection of all universes.
Fair enough. Even one universe may suffice because, beyond the visible horizon the universe is quite big.
wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_common_ancestor suggests hydrothermal with high temperatures, because LUCA is known to be related to current high temperature organisms and because it feeds on molecular hydrogen which can be produced underground by the process of “serpentinization”.
I’m not totally convinced because there are other ways to produce molecular hydrogen and because those famous extremophiles, the archaea, are not as closely related to LUCA.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:LOL. Not what I was after.
What I’m looking for is place:
Ocean, ocean surface, coast, ocean bottom, hydothermal underground, freshwater lake, oil slick, volcano, asteroid, Mars, etc.?What I’m looking for is original catalysis:
Lightning, UV, high temperature, evaporation, metal particle, sulfide mineral, clay mineral, protein-like, RNA-like, etc. ?What I’m looking for is original amount of oxidation:
CH4+NH3, C+NH3, C+N2, CO+NH3, CO2+NH3, no atmosphere, etc. ?What I’m looking for is original temperature:
>100C, ~100C, ~60C, ~40C, ~20C, etc. ?What I’m looking for is sequence of chemicals:
lipid first, protein-like first, carbohydrate first, phosphate first, nucleotide first, RNA-like first, etc. ?Any preferences?
> Mine is that life is the result of some extremely unlikely interaction between a collection of atoms that happened to be in the right place at the right time, but that happens an infinite number of times across the infinite collection of all universes.
Fair enough. Even one universe may suffice because, beyond the visible horizon the universe is quite big.
wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_common_ancestor suggests hydrothermal with high temperatures, because LUCA is known to be related to current high temperature organisms and because it feeds on molecular hydrogen which can be produced underground by the process of “serpentinization”.
I’m not totally convinced because there are other ways to produce molecular hydrogen and because those famous extremophiles, the archaea, are not as closely related to LUCA.
Didn it live on the second floor ?
What we need is to find life elsewhere and then everything changes especially if its not DNA based, that would be exciting.
i’m as dumb as dumb re this sort of thing, certainly chemistry, but does seem apparent to me that a vast hydrological cycle with phase transitions (solar cycling/pump) along with mineral wash, sedimentation, stratification and all, these amount to a massive random events generator along with an ordering force, so you’ve got two key ingredients, the random events generator and ordering force
how it got to self-replicating organic structures, that step, all I can say is the possibility existed, apparently, but i’m also of the view, a suspicion, the seeds for that came from elsewhere, a long way away from this planet
transition said:
i’m as dumb as dumb re this sort of thing, certainly chemistry, but does seem apparent to me that a vast hydrological cycle with phase transitions (solar cycling/pump) along with mineral wash, sedimentation, stratification and all, these amount to a massive random events generator along with an ordering force, so you’ve got two key ingredients, the random events generator and ordering forcehow it got to self-replicating organic structures, that step, all I can say is the possibility existed, apparently, but i’m also of the view, a suspicion, the seeds for that came from elsewhere, a long way away from this planet
Why?
transition said:
i’m as dumb as dumb re this sort of thing, certainly chemistry, but does seem apparent to me that a vast hydrological cycle with phase transitions (solar cycling/pump) along with mineral wash, sedimentation, stratification and all, these amount to a massive random events generator along with an ordering force, so you’ve got two key ingredients, the random events generator and ordering forcehow it got to self-replicating organic structures, that step, all I can say is the possibility existed, apparently, but i’m also of the view, a suspicion, the seeds for that came from elsewhere, a long way away from this planet
Perhaps, maybe the universe is geared towards life, other universes less so or not at all and other even more so towards life finding a way
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
i’m as dumb as dumb re this sort of thing, certainly chemistry, but does seem apparent to me that a vast hydrological cycle with phase transitions (solar cycling/pump) along with mineral wash, sedimentation, stratification and all, these amount to a massive random events generator along with an ordering force, so you’ve got two key ingredients, the random events generator and ordering forcehow it got to self-replicating organic structures, that step, all I can say is the possibility existed, apparently, but i’m also of the view, a suspicion, the seeds for that came from elsewhere, a long way away from this planet
Why?
of which proposition are you asking why?
i’ll assume you are asking why I think the seed compounds or whatever came from elsewhere
like I said, a suspicion
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
i’m as dumb as dumb re this sort of thing, certainly chemistry, but does seem apparent to me that a vast hydrological cycle with phase transitions (solar cycling/pump) along with mineral wash, sedimentation, stratification and all, these amount to a massive random events generator along with an ordering force, so you’ve got two key ingredients, the random events generator and ordering forcehow it got to self-replicating organic structures, that step, all I can say is the possibility existed, apparently, but i’m also of the view, a suspicion, the seeds for that came from elsewhere, a long way away from this planet
Why?
of which proposition are you asking why?
i’ll assume you are asking why I think the seed compounds or whatever came from elsewhere
like I said, a suspicion
I like the idea life develops everywhere in numerous ways and Earth is just one example, a good one at that though as its everywhere
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
i’m as dumb as dumb re this sort of thing, certainly chemistry, but does seem apparent to me that a vast hydrological cycle with phase transitions (solar cycling/pump) along with mineral wash, sedimentation, stratification and all, these amount to a massive random events generator along with an ordering force, so you’ve got two key ingredients, the random events generator and ordering forcehow it got to self-replicating organic structures, that step, all I can say is the possibility existed, apparently, but i’m also of the view, a suspicion, the seeds for that came from elsewhere, a long way away from this planet
Why?
of which proposition are you asking why?
i’ll assume you are asking why I think the seed compounds or whatever came from elsewhere
like I said, a suspicion
Correct.
So now I ask, what is the reason for the suspicion?
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why?
of which proposition are you asking why?
i’ll assume you are asking why I think the seed compounds or whatever came from elsewhere
like I said, a suspicion
Correct.
So now I ask, what is the reason for the suspicion?
Imagine though if it was aliens that created us and we could then ask them for the user manual
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:of which proposition are you asking why?
i’ll assume you are asking why I think the seed compounds or whatever came from elsewhere
like I said, a suspicion
Correct.
So now I ask, what is the reason for the suspicion?
Imagine though if it was aliens that created us and we could then ask them for the user manual
But, who created the aliens?
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why?
of which proposition are you asking why?
i’ll assume you are asking why I think the seed compounds or whatever came from elsewhere
like I said, a suspicion
Correct.
So now I ask, what is the reason for the suspicion?
partly it would be that humans now have the ability to seed life elsewhere in the galaxy, and beyond, not that such an endeavor would seed life soon or in any exact place, but humans do have the capacity to go about it now, in fact it could be argued that’s what humans are about, doing that, even if there is no specific plan to do that
our existence could be an accident of natural seeding from the compounds of life traversing space, fortuitously landed on this planet, and now evolved humans are going about what life does
and what you might ask does life do?
seems to transform (convert) pockets of energy, or related exploit energy gradients, is my view
Saying it comes from space is lazy as it still does not answer the question of origins…
I’m happy to leave these questions to the experts.
furious said:
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Correct.
So now I ask, what is the reason for the suspicion?
Imagine though if it was aliens that created us and we could then ask them for the user manual
But, who created the aliens?
That’s the thing isn’t it
furious said:
- our existence could be an accident of natural seeding from the compounds of life traversing space, fortuitously landed on this planet, and now evolved humans are going about what life does
Saying it comes from space is lazy as it still does not answer the question of origins…
yeah, whatever, the universe doesn’t seem to mostly function on questions and answers, most of it doesn’t, so yeah, i’m lazy, most of the universe is lazy that way
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:of which proposition are you asking why?
i’ll assume you are asking why I think the seed compounds or whatever came from elsewhere
like I said, a suspicion
Correct.
So now I ask, what is the reason for the suspicion?
partly it would be that humans now have the ability to seed life elsewhere in the galaxy, and beyond, not that such an endeavor would seed life soon or in any exact place, but humans do have the capacity to go about it now, in fact it could be argued that’s what humans are about, doing that, even if there is no specific plan to do that
our existence could be an accident of natural seeding from the compounds of life traversing space, fortuitously landed on this planet, and now evolved humans are going about what life does
and what you might ask does life do?
seems to transform (convert) pockets of energy, or related exploit energy gradients, is my view
Well sure that’s possible (or perhaps, well sure, that’s maybe possible), but it’s also possible (and it seems to me much more likely) that life evolves most rapidly in those locations where it first formed.
Whatever the probability of life starting off and eventually evolving into something that can wonder where it came from, we may be sure of one thing. All those examples of life that can wonder where they came from, will wonder why they came to be on the particular planet where they are, rather than any one of the huge number of other suitable planets.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Correct.
So now I ask, what is the reason for the suspicion?
partly it would be that humans now have the ability to seed life elsewhere in the galaxy, and beyond, not that such an endeavor would seed life soon or in any exact place, but humans do have the capacity to go about it now, in fact it could be argued that’s what humans are about, doing that, even if there is no specific plan to do that
our existence could be an accident of natural seeding from the compounds of life traversing space, fortuitously landed on this planet, and now evolved humans are going about what life does
and what you might ask does life do?
seems to transform (convert) pockets of energy, or related exploit energy gradients, is my view
Well sure that’s possible (or perhaps, well sure, that’s maybe possible), but it’s also possible (and it seems to me much more likely) that life evolves most rapidly in those locations where it first formed.
Whatever the probability of life starting off and eventually evolving into something that can wonder where it came from, we may be sure of one thing. All those examples of life that can wonder where they came from, will wonder why they came to be on the particular planet where they are, rather than any one of the huge number of other suitable planets.
i’d expect that traversing space is large part of what a replicator does, an essential quality (think essence) that space is in a sense an energy gradient, the scales humans conceptualize them (space) maybe misleading, humans have a terrestrial experience, an evolved terrestrial sense, somewhat limited sense maybe, other life (simpler life even) don’t have that limitation
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:partly it would be that humans now have the ability to seed life elsewhere in the galaxy, and beyond, not that such an endeavor would seed life soon or in any exact place, but humans do have the capacity to go about it now, in fact it could be argued that’s what humans are about, doing that, even if there is no specific plan to do that
our existence could be an accident of natural seeding from the compounds of life traversing space, fortuitously landed on this planet, and now evolved humans are going about what life does
and what you might ask does life do?
seems to transform (convert) pockets of energy, or related exploit energy gradients, is my view
Well sure that’s possible (or perhaps, well sure, that’s maybe possible), but it’s also possible (and it seems to me much more likely) that life evolves most rapidly in those locations where it first formed.
Whatever the probability of life starting off and eventually evolving into something that can wonder where it came from, we may be sure of one thing. All those examples of life that can wonder where they came from, will wonder why they came to be on the particular planet where they are, rather than any one of the huge number of other suitable planets.
i’d expect that traversing space is large part of what a replicator does, an essential quality (think essence) that space is in a sense an energy gradient, the scales humans conceptualize them (space) maybe misleading, humans have a terrestrial experience, an evolved terrestrial sense, somewhat limited sense maybe, other life (simpler life even) don’t have that limitation
Maybe, but probably the great majority of life (or at least of life capable of wondering where it came from) is likely to evolve on a single planet.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well sure that’s possible (or perhaps, well sure, that’s maybe possible), but it’s also possible (and it seems to me much more likely) that life evolves most rapidly in those locations where it first formed.
Whatever the probability of life starting off and eventually evolving into something that can wonder where it came from, we may be sure of one thing. All those examples of life that can wonder where they came from, will wonder why they came to be on the particular planet where they are, rather than any one of the huge number of other suitable planets.
i’d expect that traversing space is large part of what a replicator does, an essential quality (think essence) that space is in a sense an energy gradient, the scales humans conceptualize them (space) maybe misleading, humans have a terrestrial experience, an evolved terrestrial sense, somewhat limited sense maybe, other life (simpler life even) don’t have that limitation
Maybe, but probably the great majority of life (or at least of life capable of wondering where it came from) is likely to evolve on a single planet.
yeah agreed, but depends how you see it (consider your world for a moment with no stars at night), still i’d point to the thread title, abiogenesis and stuff comes to mind, proto-life, what of non-organic replicators (i’m thinking Prigogine) inclined the transition to what you and I understand are life, the structure-inclining structures, the chemistry before it was life, or living
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:i’d expect that traversing space is large part of what a replicator does, an essential quality (think essence) that space is in a sense an energy gradient, the scales humans conceptualize them (space) maybe misleading, humans have a terrestrial experience, an evolved terrestrial sense, somewhat limited sense maybe, other life (simpler life even) don’t have that limitation
Maybe, but probably the great majority of life (or at least of life capable of wondering where it came from) is likely to evolve on a single planet.
yeah agreed, but depends how you see it (consider your world for a moment with no stars at night), still i’d point to the thread title, abiogenesis and stuff comes to mind, proto-life, what of non-organic replicators (i’m thinking Prigogine) inclined the transition to what you and I understand are life, the structure-inclining structures, the chemistry before it was life, or living
I mean somehow you just know those millions of year old twinkles of light from far away stars influenced evolution here on earth, even if life can’t be said to have been physically seeded from elsewhere, out there, just those distant twinkles have seeded something, and some dung beetles and various other creatures that navigate by the stars come to mind
and it’s probably true that yours and my purpose (of life) really aren’t any different to the dung beetle, here we are rolling some intellectual equivalent of a ball of shit
…those millions of year old twinkles of light from far away stars influenced evolution here on earth
thousands of years that should have been writ
No one knows my Lord, no one.
Peak Warming Man said:
No one knows my Lord, no one.
I’ve been led to believe that your Lord knows.
I’ve now hand written my best idea for the origin of life.
But this keyboard is too small to type it.
mollwollfumble said:
I’ve now hand written my best idea for the origin of life.But this keyboard is too small to type it.
Twelve and a half hand-written pages long. I suppose I’d better start typing.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
I’ve now hand written my best idea for the origin of life.But this keyboard is too small to type it.
Twelve and a half hand-written pages long. I suppose I’d better start typing.
This is most of it. Enough to get a good overview.
Origin of Life
The two predominant hypotheses about the origin of life on Earth are hydrothermal vents and panspermia. But there is an alternative, Miller-Urey’s primordial soup.
Let’s start at the beginning, the origin of the solar system. When the proto-Earth was forming, the solar system was full of hydrogen gas. It’s the drag of this gas that forced all the planets to orbit in the same plane and circularised their orbits. Why circular in the same plane? Because that’s the configuration that minimises energy for given momentum, gas drag causes and energy loss but doesn’t cause a loss of momentum. All this is well known.
So the proto-Earth’s primordial atmnosphere, because it was in equilibrium with the interplanetary gas, must have been dominated by hydrogen, like the atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn today. Jupiter and Saturn were able to hold onto their primordial atmospheres. Earth was not.
The genes of the last universal common ancestor (LUCA) of all extant life have been partially determined. Some genes show that LUCA used molecular hydrogen as an energy source, so we’re on the right track.
The hydrogen-dominated atmosphere of Jupiter contains large amounts of methane CH4, ammonia NH3 and water H2O. The uppermost clouds are white, with a transition in turn to yellow, red and finally black down through the atmosphere. The black layer was revealed when the linear comet Schumaker-Levy 9 (SL9) slammed into Jupiter. This may seem to be a digression, but the colour sequence clear to yellow to red to black was also observed in the Miller-Urey experiment as the liquid darkened oiver months. It’s a sign of the abiological creation of largish organic molecules.
It is also well known that the Miller-Urey experiment produced a primordial soup containing amino aacids and and othger simple organic molecules. A recent re-analysis of Miller’s original broth found more amino acids and more simple organic molecules.
There are two things about the Miller-Urey original experiments that are not well known. One is that the resulting broth was hydrolysed before analysis. Hydrolysing destroys bio-organic polymers including proteins, reducing them back to amino acids, and other polymers such as complex carbohydrates if any were present.
A second less-known fact about the original Miller-Urey experiment is that a semi-solid goo built up on the electrodes. This would prove to be important more than 20 years later.
The immediate reaction to Miller-Urey was howls of protest from geologists. Methane and hydrogen, they insisted, did not exist in the atmosphere of primitive Earth. I have already explained that the geologists were wrong. Methane and hydrogen must have existed in the atmosphere of proto-Earth. I have not yet explained why the geologists of that era were wrong. They were wrong because they had no way of knowing, back then, exactly how the Earth lost its primordial atmosphere.
Because of the protests by geologists, the immediate follow up experiments to Miller-Urey used CO or CO2 in the atmosphere, or used a weaker energy source such as UV light. As a result, for the next 20 years or so, published reruns of Miller-Urey produced a lower yield of amino acids and other organic molecules.
Another experiment from that era produced some nucleic acids from formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide. Other experiments produced mixed sugars and lipids.
In one early paper it was calculated that the ocean of proto-Earth could have been covered by organic molecules in a layer of thickness 20 metres.
In a little known paper of 1973-4, the Miller-Urey experiment was redone with atmospheric concentrations optimised. On analysis of the goo around the electrodes under an electron microscope, enclosed structures were found that were the size of bacteria and had bi-layer membranes. Contamination was ruled out, and other structures of similar size were open or had one or three surface layers. I consider this paper to be of extreme importance as it means that bacterial envelopes and membranes could have developed long before such complicated molecules as RNA. Unfortunately, the paper only did a cursory chemical analysis of the bilayer membrane, enough to confirm that it was composed of organic molecules.
The sea surface of the proto-Earth would be stirred by convection. It would have polymerisation by evaporation at the top and collect surfactants such as certain types of proteins at the bottom. The top would collect medium-sized organic molecules produced in the atmosphere by lightning.
The proto-Earth had much more volcanic activity than present day Earth, so the ocean bottom would have had the combination of high temperatures and catalyst minerals for producing large organic molecules from water-soluble precursors. The ocean margins would have played a role as well, with rapid hydration-evaporation cycles.
At this stage, the proto-Earth had lipids, protein-like chemicals containing amino acids, membranes equivalent to those found in bacteria, some nucleic acids, surface-active organic chemicals, and quite probably some large organo-metallic compounds, and aromatic compounds.
While the proto-Earth still had a reducing atmosphere, the Sun’s increasing UV light cleared the hydrogen out of interplanetary space, and following that the ptoto-Earth’s atmosphere slowly lost hydrogen. As the hydrogen content of the atmosphere fell, the new molecules that formed started to have a higher ratio of oxygen to hydrogen. The sugars and phosphates formed.
The above is hard solid fact. What follows is speculation.
I speculate that life as we know it developed while while proto-Earth still had a significant molecular hydrogen content in its atmosphere. This most easily explains why the last universal common ancestor (LUCA) of all extant life used molecular hydrogen as an energy source. As the hydrogen dissipated, also life first learnt to get energy by eating abiologically produced sugars. This process slowly improved in efficiency to become what we now know as respiration. Once eating sugars was established, life forms learnt to polymerise these sugars into complex carbohydrates for energy storage for later, to survive food shortages.
Energy storage using phosphates is more subtle than from carbohydrates. So further down the time line, early life forms produced sugar-phosphate polymers as an energy storage for when times were tough. These sugar-phosphate polymers evolved into RNA by the addition of nucleic acids.
RNA turned out to have excellent catalyst properties. Some turned out to be able to catalyse its own production and some to catalyse protein production. Life as we know it had well and truly arrived.
Recently, the simple chemical di-ammonium phosphate, with just 13 atoms, has been found to catalyse both RNA polymerisation and DNA polymerisation.
What is totally uncertain about the above speculation is the timescale.
The Earth has suffered a large number of extinction events in its history and, as a general rule, the further back in time the more severe the extinction event for life on Earth. The Permian-Triassic extinction event was severe. Before that snowball Earth, where the oceans were frozen solid down to the bottom of the ocean even on the equator, was more severe. We know for a fact that life on Earth survived both the Permian-Triassic and snowball Earth extinction events. Before snowball Earth, the “late heavy bombardment” event was even more severe.
Many people have speculated that life on Earth could not have survived the late heavy bombardment of Earth by asteroids. The late heavy bombardment caused the resurfacing of the near side of the Moon, the lunar mares. I think life could have survived the late heavy bombardment era. For starters, it wasn’t a single event but a large number of events over many millions of years, and life would have had a chance to recover after each one. The worst one would have caused a lava province say 3,000 km wide, with associated volcanic gases and climate change. The far side of the crust would have been largely geologically unaffected. Unicellular life could have survived that.
Before the era of late heavy bombardment was the impact that formed the Moon. I need to talk about this in some detail. All of the interplanetary atmosphere had been blown out of this part of the solar system before the Moon formed. The strongest evidence for this is the lack of xenon in the Earth’s present atmosphere.
The second piece of evidence that the hydrogen had by then vanished from this part of interplanetary space is the existence of the Moon. If the interplanetary gas had still been around at that time then the drag from that gas on the fragments would have caused them to spiral back to Earth rather than coalesce into the Moon.
The impact that formed the Moon was neither a central impact nor a glancing blow, but half way in between. Half of the Earth was pulverised. The rest remained on one piece but was horribly distorted and mostly melted.
Earth’s atmosphere was jolted loose and driven out of the solar system by the solar wind and ionising radiation.
Could life on proto-Earth have survived such an incredible catastrophe? The knee-jerk reaction is “no”, and this is what led geologists to strongly protest about the Miller-Urey proposal back when it was first published, but they were thinking about the destruction of life by a central impact. I agree that if the impact that formed the Moon had been central then life could not have survived, but because the Moon exists we know that the impact was not central, and that leaves two ways in which life might have survived.
Suppose we consider life in a thick oily carbon-rich mat opposite the pulverised side of Earth. Then such a mat would have been able to float on liquid rock. The underside of the mat would have charred like the heat shield of a re-entering Apollo capsule, forming a superb thermal insulator. That thermal insulator could have protected the life metres above the liquid lava until the lava had cooled to basalt.
The other way would be if the thick oily carbon-rich mat was on the side of the Earth that was pulverised. Big slabs of living matter would have been thrown into space. And come back down days or weeks later. Even now, some bacteria can survive the vacuum of space for that length of time.
But wait! Wouldn’t the life from proto-Earth have then been deposited on the Moon? Yes and no. Because the Moon formed at the same time, life would have been deposited ‘in’ the Moon, and been destroyed be being encased at depth in molten rock for a long time. On the surface of the Moon, life from proto-Earth would have been present in a concentration of only about 1 part in 100,000, and even then would largely have been destroyed by volcanic action. Life from proto-Earth would have been deposited ‘on’ the Earth but ‘in’ the Moon.
etc.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
I’ve now hand written my best idea for the origin of life.But this keyboard is too small to type it.
Twelve and a half hand-written pages long. I suppose I’d better start typing.
This is most of it. Enough to get a good overview.
Origin of Life
The two predominant hypotheses about the origin of life on Earth are hydrothermal vents and panspermia. But there is an alternative, Miller-Urey’s primordial soup.
Let’s start at the beginning, the origin of the solar system. When the proto-Earth was forming, the solar system was full of hydrogen gas. It’s the drag of this gas that forced all the planets to orbit in the same plane and circularised their orbits. Why circular in the same plane? Because that’s the configuration that minimises energy for given momentum, gas drag causes and energy loss but doesn’t cause a loss of momentum. All this is well known.
So the proto-Earth’s primordial atmnosphere, because it was in equilibrium with the interplanetary gas, must have been dominated by hydrogen, like the atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn today. Jupiter and Saturn were able to hold onto their primordial atmospheres. Earth was not.
The genes of the last universal common ancestor (LUCA) of all extant life have been partially determined. Some genes show that LUCA used molecular hydrogen as an energy source, so we’re on the right track.
The hydrogen-dominated atmosphere of Jupiter contains large amounts of methane CH4, ammonia NH3 and water H2O. The uppermost clouds are white, with a transition in turn to yellow, red and finally black down through the atmosphere. The black layer was revealed when the linear comet Schumaker-Levy 9 (SL9) slammed into Jupiter. This may seem to be a digression, but the colour sequence clear to yellow to red to black was also observed in the Miller-Urey experiment as the liquid darkened oiver months. It’s a sign of the abiological creation of largish organic molecules.
It is also well known that the Miller-Urey experiment produced a primordial soup containing amino aacids and and othger simple organic molecules. A recent re-analysis of Miller’s original broth found more amino acids and more simple organic molecules.
There are two things about the Miller-Urey original experiments that are not well known. One is that the resulting broth was hydrolysed before analysis. Hydrolysing destroys bio-organic polymers including proteins, reducing them back to amino acids, and other polymers such as complex carbohydrates if any were present.
A second less-known fact about the original Miller-Urey experiment is that a semi-solid goo built up on the electrodes. This would prove to be important more than 20 years later.
The immediate reaction to Miller-Urey was howls of protest from geologists. Methane and hydrogen, they insisted, did not exist in the atmosphere of primitive Earth. I have already explained that the geologists were wrong. Methane and hydrogen must have existed in the atmosphere of proto-Earth. I have not yet explained why the geologists of that era were wrong. They were wrong because they had no way of knowing, back then, exactly how the Earth lost its primordial atmosphere.
Because of the protests by geologists, the immediate follow up experiments to Miller-Urey used CO or CO2 in the atmosphere, or used a weaker energy source such as UV light. As a result, for the next 20 years or so, published reruns of Miller-Urey produced a lower yield of amino acids and other organic molecules.
Another experiment from that era produced some nucleic acids from formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide. Other experiments produced mixed sugars and lipids.
In one early paper it was calculated that the ocean of proto-Earth could have been covered by organic molecules in a layer of thickness 20 metres.
In a little known paper of 1973-4, the Miller-Urey experiment was redone with atmospheric concentrations optimised. On analysis of the goo around the electrodes under an electron microscope, enclosed structures were found that were the size of bacteria and had bi-layer membranes. Contamination was ruled out, and other structures of similar size were open or had one or three surface layers. I consider this paper to be of extreme importance as it means that bacterial envelopes and membranes could have developed long before such complicated molecules as RNA. Unfortunately, the paper only did a cursory chemical analysis of the bilayer membrane, enough to confirm that it was composed of organic molecules.
The sea surface of the proto-Earth would be stirred by convection. It would have polymerisation by evaporation at the top and collect surfactants such as certain types of proteins at the bottom. The top would collect medium-sized organic molecules produced in the atmosphere by lightning.
The proto-Earth had much more volcanic activity than present day Earth, so the ocean bottom would have had the combination of high temperatures and catalyst minerals for producing large organic molecules from water-soluble precursors. The ocean margins would have played a role as well, with rapid hydration-evaporation cycles.
At this stage, the proto-Earth had lipids, protein-like chemicals containing amino acids, membranes equivalent to those found in bacteria, some nucleic acids, surface-active organic chemicals, and quite probably some large organo-metallic compounds, and aromatic compounds.
While the proto-Earth still had a reducing atmosphere, the Sun’s increasing UV light cleared the hydrogen out of interplanetary space, and following that the ptoto-Earth’s atmosphere slowly lost hydrogen. As the hydrogen content of the atmosphere fell, the new molecules that formed started to have a higher ratio of oxygen to hydrogen. The sugars and phosphates formed.
The above is hard solid fact. What follows is speculation.
I speculate that life as we know it developed while while proto-Earth still had a significant molecular hydrogen content in its atmosphere. This most easily explains why the last universal common ancestor (LUCA) of all extant life used molecular hydrogen as an energy source. As the hydrogen dissipated, also life first learnt to get energy by eating abiologically produced sugars. This process slowly improved in efficiency to become what we now know as respiration. Once eating sugars was established, life forms learnt to polymerise these sugars into complex carbohydrates for energy storage for later, to survive food shortages.
Energy storage using phosphates is more subtle than from carbohydrates. So further down the time line, early life forms produced sugar-phosphate polymers as an energy storage for when times were tough. These sugar-phosphate polymers evolved into RNA by the addition of nucleic acids.
RNA turned out to have excellent catalyst properties. Some turned out to be able to catalyse its own production and some to catalyse protein production. Life as we know it had well and truly arrived.
Recently, the simple chemical di-ammonium phosphate, with just 13 atoms, has been found to catalyse both RNA polymerisation and DNA polymerisation.
What is totally uncertain about the above speculation is the timescale.
The Earth has suffered a large number of extinction events in its history and, as a general rule, the further back in time the more severe the extinction event for life on Earth. The Permian-Triassic extinction event was severe. Before that snowball Earth, where the oceans were frozen solid down to the bottom of the ocean even on the equator, was more severe. We know for a fact that life on Earth survived both the Permian-Triassic and snowball Earth extinction events. Before snowball Earth, the “late heavy bombardment” event was even more severe.
Many people have speculated that life on Earth could not have survived the late heavy bombardment of Earth by asteroids. The late heavy bombardment caused the resurfacing of the near side of the Moon, the lunar mares. I think life could have survived the late heavy bombardment era. For starters, it wasn’t a single event but a large number of events over many millions of years, and life would have had a chance to recover after each one. The worst one would have caused a lava province say 3,000 km wide, with associated volcanic gases and climate change. The far side of the crust would have been largely geologically unaffected. Unicellular life could have survived that.
Before the era of late heavy bombardment was the impact that formed the Moon. I need to talk about this in some detail. All of the interplanetary atmosphere had been blown out of this part of the solar system before the Moon formed. The strongest evidence for this is the lack of xenon in the Earth’s present atmosphere.
The second piece of evidence that the hydrogen had by then vanished from this part of interplanetary space is the existence of the Moon. If the interplanetary gas had still been around at that time then the drag from that gas on the fragments would have caused them to spiral back to Earth rather than coalesce into the Moon.
The impact that formed the Moon was neither a central impact nor a glancing blow, but half way in between. Half of the Earth was pulverised. The rest remained on one piece but was horribly distorted and mostly melted.
Earth’s atmosphere was jolted loose and driven out of the solar system by the solar wind and ionising radiation.
Could life on proto-Earth have survived such an incredible catastrophe? The knee-jerk reaction is “no”, and this is what led geologists to strongly protest about the Miller-Urey proposal back when it was first published, but they were thinking about the destruction of life by a central impact. I agree that if the impact that formed the Moon had been central then life could not have survived, but because the Moon exists we know that the impact was not central, and that leaves two ways in which life might have survived.
Suppose we consider life in a thick oily carbon-rich mat opposite the pulverised side of Earth. Then such a mat would have been able to float on liquid rock. The underside of the mat would have charred like the heat shield of a re-entering Apollo capsule, forming a superb thermal insulator. That thermal insulator could have protected the life metres above the liquid lava until the lava had cooled to basalt.
The other way would be if the thick oily carbon-rich mat was on the side of the Earth that was pulverised. Big slabs of living matter would have been thrown into space. And come back down days or weeks later. Even now, some bacteria can survive the vacuum of space for that length of time.
But wait! Wouldn’t the life from proto-Earth have then been deposited on the Moon? Yes and no. Because the Moon formed at the same time, life would have been deposited ‘in’ the Moon, and been destroyed be being encased at depth in molten rock for a long time. On the surface of the Moon, life from proto-Earth would have been present in a concentration of only about 1 part in 100,000, and even then would largely have been destroyed by volcanic action. Life from proto-Earth would have been deposited ‘on’ the Earth but ‘in’ the Moon.
etc.
… Life on Earth after the Moon formed would have been difficult. Most of the hydrogen, methane, ammonia and water would have gone. The secondary atmosphere was produced by out-gassing from the Earth’s interior and, much later, by accumulation of more water from comets.
I haven’t looked into the initial composition of the secondary atmosphere. It may have been dominated by N2 and CO2 or it may have been a much more friendly mix such as N2, CO, H2O & H2SO3. If the latter, then life could have grown using the reaction C + CO + H2O CH2 + CO2 as a source of both nutrients and energy, and use the sulfur for building proteins. Plenty of unoxidised iron is available for catalysis, and polymerisation by evaporation and heat would not be a problem. Life survived.
I’ve speculated above on the development of life as we know it from “lipids, protein-like chemicals containing amino acids, membranes equivalent to those found in bacteria, some nucleic acids, surface-active organic chemicals, and quite probably some large organo-metallic compounds, and aromatic compounds” though sugar metabolism, sugar polymerisation, phosphate polymerisation, sugar-phosphate copolymer to RNA. All of these stages using iron and unoxidised minerals as catalysts. I have insufficient information to speculate on which stages occurred before the Moon formed and which after.
This story of the the origin of life on Earth ends before most others begin, possibly before late heavy bombardment, possibly after. Hydrothermal processes did play a role much later maintaining life through snowball Earth, and almost certainly earlier.
As a postscript, I want to say a few words about “living fossils”. There was a paper many years ago explaining how some organisms are physiologically almost identical to their ancestors hundreds of millions of years ago while others are vastly different. With ancient single celled organisms we can talk about metabolically almost identical as well. After a single extinction event, organisms diversify. But after two or more identical extinction events, organisms that survive both are selected for non-diversification, and non-diversification remains even when it is no longer necessary. Hence the coelocanth, living in the absolute safest part of the biosphere, away from both the fickle atmosphere and volatile volcanic regions, is physiologically almost identical to its ancestors.
Several features of extant bacteria and archaea may represent “living fossil” metabolic traits from before or during the formation of the Moon. One has been mentioned above, the common factor of the metabolism of hydrogen for energy by the last universal common ancestor (LUCA). A second is the ability to tolerate vacuum. A third is the ability to tolerate high temperatures, which is another of the abilities that LUCA is believed to have possessed. A fourth is the obligate anaerobic metabolism found in very many organisms, though that may have evolved at any time before LUCA. The ability to tolerate vacuum as a “living fossil” trait suggests that some living organisms passed through a vacuum multiple times, not just the once required by panspermia. There are other problems with the panspermia hypothesis, particularly the problem of organisms starving to death after landing on Earth. An Earth full of suitable food for a panspermia organism would also have suitable food for an organism that originated here.
Hydrothermal vents are very dangerous places to live. Those with a varied ecosystem are almost all away from active plate margins. Even for those in varied ecosystems away from the danger of volcanic action, their closest relatives live nowhere near hydrothermal vents. In other words, species tend to migrate towards hydrothermal vents and go extinct there, rather than evolving near hydrothermal vents and migrating outwards.
All in all, the Miller-Urey primordial soup is still by far the best hypothesis for the origin of life as we know it.
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mollwollfumble said:Twelve and a half hand-written pages long. I suppose I’d better start typing.
This is most of it. Enough to get a good overview.
Origin of Life
The two predominant hypotheses about the origin of life on Earth are hydrothermal vents and panspermia. But there is an alternative, Miller-Urey’s primordial soup.
Let’s start at the beginning, the origin of the solar system. When the proto-Earth was forming, the solar system was full of hydrogen gas. It’s the drag of this gas that forced all the planets to orbit in the same plane and circularised their orbits. Why circular in the same plane? Because that’s the configuration that minimises energy for given momentum, gas drag causes and energy loss but doesn’t cause a loss of momentum. All this is well known.
So the proto-Earth’s primordial atmnosphere, because it was in equilibrium with the interplanetary gas, must have been dominated by hydrogen, like the atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn today. Jupiter and Saturn were able to hold onto their primordial atmospheres. Earth was not.
The genes of the last universal common ancestor (LUCA) of all extant life have been partially determined. Some genes show that LUCA used molecular hydrogen as an energy source, so we’re on the right track.
The hydrogen-dominated atmosphere of Jupiter contains large amounts of methane CH4, ammonia NH3 and water H2O. The uppermost clouds are white, with a transition in turn to yellow, red and finally black down through the atmosphere. The black layer was revealed when the linear comet Schumaker-Levy 9 (SL9) slammed into Jupiter. This may seem to be a digression, but the colour sequence clear to yellow to red to black was also observed in the Miller-Urey experiment as the liquid darkened oiver months. It’s a sign of the abiological creation of largish organic molecules.
It is also well known that the Miller-Urey experiment produced a primordial soup containing amino aacids and and othger simple organic molecules. A recent re-analysis of Miller’s original broth found more amino acids and more simple organic molecules.
There are two things about the Miller-Urey original experiments that are not well known. One is that the resulting broth was hydrolysed before analysis. Hydrolysing destroys bio-organic polymers including proteins, reducing them back to amino acids, and other polymers such as complex carbohydrates if any were present.
A second less-known fact about the original Miller-Urey experiment is that a semi-solid goo built up on the electrodes. This would prove to be important more than 20 years later.
The immediate reaction to Miller-Urey was howls of protest from geologists. Methane and hydrogen, they insisted, did not exist in the atmosphere of primitive Earth. I have already explained that the geologists were wrong. Methane and hydrogen must have existed in the atmosphere of proto-Earth. I have not yet explained why the geologists of that era were wrong. They were wrong because they had no way of knowing, back then, exactly how the Earth lost its primordial atmosphere.
Because of the protests by geologists, the immediate follow up experiments to Miller-Urey used CO or CO2 in the atmosphere, or used a weaker energy source such as UV light. As a result, for the next 20 years or so, published reruns of Miller-Urey produced a lower yield of amino acids and other organic molecules.
Another experiment from that era produced some nucleic acids from formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide. Other experiments produced mixed sugars and lipids.
In one early paper it was calculated that the ocean of proto-Earth could have been covered by organic molecules in a layer of thickness 20 metres.
In a little known paper of 1973-4, the Miller-Urey experiment was redone with atmospheric concentrations optimised. On analysis of the goo around the electrodes under an electron microscope, enclosed structures were found that were the size of bacteria and had bi-layer membranes. Contamination was ruled out, and other structures of similar size were open or had one or three surface layers. I consider this paper to be of extreme importance as it means that bacterial envelopes and membranes could have developed long before such complicated molecules as RNA. Unfortunately, the paper only did a cursory chemical analysis of the bilayer membrane, enough to confirm that it was composed of organic molecules.
The sea surface of the proto-Earth would be stirred by convection. It would have polymerisation by evaporation at the top and collect surfactants such as certain types of proteins at the bottom. The top would collect medium-sized organic molecules produced in the atmosphere by lightning.
The proto-Earth had much more volcanic activity than present day Earth, so the ocean bottom would have had the combination of high temperatures and catalyst minerals for producing large organic molecules from water-soluble precursors. The ocean margins would have played a role as well, with rapid hydration-evaporation cycles.
At this stage, the proto-Earth had lipids, protein-like chemicals containing amino acids, membranes equivalent to those found in bacteria, some nucleic acids, surface-active organic chemicals, and quite probably some large organo-metallic compounds, and aromatic compounds.
While the proto-Earth still had a reducing atmosphere, the Sun’s increasing UV light cleared the hydrogen out of interplanetary space, and following that the ptoto-Earth’s atmosphere slowly lost hydrogen. As the hydrogen content of the atmosphere fell, the new molecules that formed started to have a higher ratio of oxygen to hydrogen. The sugars and phosphates formed.
The above is hard solid fact. What follows is speculation.
I speculate that life as we know it developed while while proto-Earth still had a significant molecular hydrogen content in its atmosphere. This most easily explains why the last universal common ancestor (LUCA) of all extant life used molecular hydrogen as an energy source. As the hydrogen dissipated, also life first learnt to get energy by eating abiologically produced sugars. This process slowly improved in efficiency to become what we now know as respiration. Once eating sugars was established, life forms learnt to polymerise these sugars into complex carbohydrates for energy storage for later, to survive food shortages.
Energy storage using phosphates is more subtle than from carbohydrates. So further down the time line, early life forms produced sugar-phosphate polymers as an energy storage for when times were tough. These sugar-phosphate polymers evolved into RNA by the addition of nucleic acids.
RNA turned out to have excellent catalyst properties. Some turned out to be able to catalyse its own production and some to catalyse protein production. Life as we know it had well and truly arrived.
Recently, the simple chemical di-ammonium phosphate, with just 13 atoms, has been found to catalyse both RNA polymerisation and DNA polymerisation.
What is totally uncertain about the above speculation is the timescale.
The Earth has suffered a large number of extinction events in its history and, as a general rule, the further back in time the more severe the extinction event for life on Earth. The Permian-Triassic extinction event was severe. Before that snowball Earth, where the oceans were frozen solid down to the bottom of the ocean even on the equator, was more severe. We know for a fact that life on Earth survived both the Permian-Triassic and snowball Earth extinction events. Before snowball Earth, the “late heavy bombardment” event was even more severe.
Many people have speculated that life on Earth could not have survived the late heavy bombardment of Earth by asteroids. The late heavy bombardment caused the resurfacing of the near side of the Moon, the lunar mares. I think life could have survived the late heavy bombardment era. For starters, it wasn’t a single event but a large number of events over many millions of years, and life would have had a chance to recover after each one. The worst one would have caused a lava province say 3,000 km wide, with associated volcanic gases and climate change. The far side of the crust would have been largely geologically unaffected. Unicellular life could have survived that.
Before the era of late heavy bombardment was the impact that formed the Moon. I need to talk about this in some detail. All of the interplanetary atmosphere had been blown out of this part of the solar system before the Moon formed. The strongest evidence for this is the lack of xenon in the Earth’s present atmosphere.
The second piece of evidence that the hydrogen had by then vanished from this part of interplanetary space is the existence of the Moon. If the interplanetary gas had still been around at that time then the drag from that gas on the fragments would have caused them to spiral back to Earth rather than coalesce into the Moon.
The impact that formed the Moon was neither a central impact nor a glancing blow, but half way in between. Half of the Earth was pulverised. The rest remained on one piece but was horribly distorted and mostly melted.
Earth’s atmosphere was jolted loose and driven out of the solar system by the solar wind and ionising radiation.
Could life on proto-Earth have survived such an incredible catastrophe? The knee-jerk reaction is “no”, and this is what led geologists to strongly protest about the Miller-Urey proposal back when it was first published, but they were thinking about the destruction of life by a central impact. I agree that if the impact that formed the Moon had been central then life could not have survived, but because the Moon exists we know that the impact was not central, and that leaves two ways in which life might have survived.
Suppose we consider life in a thick oily carbon-rich mat opposite the pulverised side of Earth. Then such a mat would have been able to float on liquid rock. The underside of the mat would have charred like the heat shield of a re-entering Apollo capsule, forming a superb thermal insulator. That thermal insulator could have protected the life metres above the liquid lava until the lava had cooled to basalt.
The other way would be if the thick oily carbon-rich mat was on the side of the Earth that was pulverised. Big slabs of living matter would have been thrown into space. And come back down days or weeks later. Even now, some bacteria can survive the vacuum of space for that length of time.
But wait! Wouldn’t the life from proto-Earth have then been deposited on the Moon? Yes and no. Because the Moon formed at the same time, life would have been deposited ‘in’ the Moon, and been destroyed be being encased at depth in molten rock for a long time. On the surface of the Moon, life from proto-Earth would have been present in a concentration of only about 1 part in 100,000, and even then would largely have been destroyed by volcanic action. Life from proto-Earth would have been deposited ‘on’ the Earth but ‘in’ the Moon.
etc.
… Life on Earth after the Moon formed would have been difficult. Most of the hydrogen, methane, ammonia and water would have gone. The secondary atmosphere was produced by out-gassing from the Earth’s interior and, much later, by accumulation of more water from comets.
I haven’t looked into the initial composition of the secondary atmosphere. It may have been dominated by N2 and CO2 or it may have been a much more friendly mix such as N2, CO, H2O & H2SO3. If the latter, then life could have grown using the reaction C + CO + H2O CH2 + CO2 as a source of both nutrients and energy, and use the sulfur for building proteins. Plenty of unoxidised iron is available for catalysis, and polymerisation by evaporation and heat would not be a problem. Life survived.
I’ve speculated above on the development of life as we know it from “lipids, protein-like chemicals containing amino acids, membranes equivalent to those found in bacteria, some nucleic acids, surface-active organic chemicals, and quite probably some large organo-metallic compounds, and aromatic compounds” though sugar metabolism, sugar polymerisation, phosphate polymerisation, sugar-phosphate copolymer to RNA. All of these stages using iron and unoxidised minerals as catalysts. I have insufficient information to speculate on which stages occurred before the Moon formed and which after.
This story of the the origin of life on Earth ends before most others begin, possibly before late heavy bombardment, possibly after. Hydrothermal processes did play a role much later maintaining life through snowball Earth, and almost certainly earlier.
As a postscript, I want to say a few words about “living fossils”. There was a paper many years ago explaining how some organisms are physiologically almost identical to their ancestors hundreds of millions of years ago while others are vastly different. With ancient single celled organisms we can talk about metabolically almost identical as well. After a single extinction event, organisms diversify. But after two or more identical extinction events, organisms that survive both are selected for non-diversification, and non-diversification remains even when it is no longer necessary. Hence the coelocanth, living in the absolute safest part of the biosphere, away from both the fickle atmosphere and volatile volcanic regions, is physiologically almost identical to its ancestors.
Several features of extant bacteria and archaea may represent “living fossil” metabolic traits from before or during the formation of the Moon. One has been mentioned above, the common factor of the metabolism of hydrogen for energy by the last universal common ancestor (LUCA). A second is the ability to tolerate vacuum. A third is the ability to tolerate high temperatures, which is another of the abilities that LUCA is believed to have possessed. A fourth is the obligate anaerobic metabolism found in very many organisms, though that may have evolved at any time before LUCA. The ability to tolerate vacuum as a “living fossil” trait suggests that some living organisms passed through a vacuum multiple times, not just the once required by panspermia. There are other problems with the panspermia hypothesis, particularly the problem of organisms starving to death after landing on Earth. An Earth full of suitable food for a panspermia organism would also have suitable food for an organism that originated here.
Hydrothermal vents are very dangerous places to live. Those with a varied ecosystem are almost all away from active plate margins. Even for those in varied ecosystems away from the danger of volcanic action, their closest relatives live nowhere near hydrothermal vents. In other words, species tend to migrate towards hydrothermal vents and go extinct there, rather than evolving near hydrothermal vents and migrating outwards.
All in all, the Miller-Urey primordial soup is still by far the best hypothesis for the origin of life as we know it.
So nothing has changed since my father’s day? He told me that when I was a little codger.