I was listening to a phone call the other day, on the tube, a recording, an important call, regarding an election result, someone was hoping to or trying to fix some troubles with a result, and the idea that self-aware conscious creatures typically inhabit their own error correction systems came to mind, again, though more vividly it might be said, some force of evidence in the real world seems to have amplified the idea, the likelihood of the truth of it, the importance of it

anyway, further i’m pondering about knowing of what one doesn’t know, attributing a significance to that, which seems to be somehow extracted from levels of certainty from what one knows, it’s by some magic projected from that, courtesy the workings of the wetware

it seems safe to assume the extent people inhabit their error correction systems varies, the depth and scope, effort and consistency (or lack of) across any sample of individuals

how useful though is this idea of inhabiting an error correction system, I ask?

I mean there’s no question there are error correction systems, but more the idea the I lives there, resides there in some way, or emerges from that

transition said:

I was listening to a phone call the other day, on the tube, a recording, an important call, regarding an election result, someone was hoping to or trying to fix some troubles with a result, and the idea that self-aware conscious creatures typically inhabit their own error correction systems came to mind, again, though more vividly it might be said, some force of evidence in the real world seems to have amplified the idea, the likelihood of the truth of it, the importance of it

anyway, further i’m pondering about knowing of what one doesn’t know, attributing a significance to that, which seems to be somehow extracted from levels of certainty from what one knows, it’s by some magic projected from that, courtesy the workings of the wetware

it seems safe to assume the extent people inhabit their error correction systems varies, the depth and scope, effort and consistency (or lack of) across any sample of individuals

how useful though is this idea of inhabiting an error correction system, I ask?

I mean there’s no question there are error correction systems, but more the idea the I lives there, resides there in some way, or emerges from that

If the error correcting system is too thorough you might never attempt anything with the worry of doing it wrong

>If the error correcting system is too thorough you might never attempt anything with the worry of doing it wrong

so much of the every-day-mundane involve error corrections, using a knife and fork to eat, walking, brushing your teeth, most of which happens with little apparent thought at all, most of movement involves error correction, fairly much

why would mental activity be any different, and unlikely it is different in that there is a constancy of error correction involved in thought, similarly

an interesting thing might in what of a system of error corrections might generate the emergent property of self-aware consciousness

> how useful though is this idea of inhabiting an error correction system, I ask?

Very useful. There are two ways to generate an error free system. By being slow and methodical in order to make no errors to start with or to be quick and inaccurate but good at correcting errors.

I do the second. A former boss of mine did the first. I find the second to be quicker. In certain circumstances, such as solving the travelling salesman problem, inhabiting an error correction system is the only sensible alternative.

>…/cut by transition/……There are two ways to generate an error free system.

is there such a thing, an error free system, of anything that generates representations, or computation for that?

I doubt it

transition said:

>…/cut by transition/……There are two ways to generate an error free system.

is there such a thing, an error free system, of anything that generates representations, or computation for that?

I doubt it

Like, perpetual motion?

roughbarked said:

transition said:

>…/cut by transition/……There are two ways to generate an error free system.

is there such a thing, an error free system, of anything that generates representations, or computation for that?

I doubt it

Like, perpetual motion?

indulge me, you’ve worked with timepieces, is the accuracy of the device in substantial part courtesy the error correction systems, which might raise the question are all such time measurements essentially built around error correction, of course the objective is accuracy, but can there even be a (proper working) concept of accuracy without concepts of error correction

just riding a bike, in a straight line say, is a bunch of error corrections involving wobbles

and of the digital world, whatever say a recording of music, isn’t the real signal (value) between the sampled values, something between all the ones and zeros

transition said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

>…/cut by transition/……There are two ways to generate an error free system.

is there such a thing, an error free system, of anything that generates representations, or computation for that?

I doubt it

Like, perpetual motion?

indulge me, you’ve worked with timepieces, is the accuracy of the device in substantial part courtesy the error correction systems, which might raise the question are all such time measurements essentially built around error correction, of course the objective is accuracy, but can there even be a (proper working) concept of accuracy without concepts of error correction

just riding a bike, in a straight line say, is a bunch of error corrections involving wobbles

and of the digital world, whatever say a recording of music, isn’t the real signal (value) between the sampled values, something between all the ones and zeros

I showed a watch the other day but you mustn’t have seen it.

Vianney Halter Deep Space Resonance Prototype