Date: 14/01/2021 14:09:13
From: buffy
ID: 1680167
Subject: Green dirt

I think this one is for MV. We just drove back from Melbourne via Ballarat and Ararat. Along the Western Highway nearly into Ararat, where there is work being done on a new path for the highway the dirt, which looks like it’s what has been dug out, is green. That copper sort of green. Matches nicely with the green tinge on the new power poles. It’s a gold area. Is that relevent? Explanation?

This one:

https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/projects/western-highway

It’s presently on hold by injunction for sorting out important trees stuff.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:19:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1680176
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


I think this one is for MV. We just drove back from Melbourne via Ballarat and Ararat. Along the Western Highway nearly into Ararat, where there is work being done on a new path for the highway the dirt, which looks like it’s what has been dug out, is green. That copper sort of green. Matches nicely with the green tinge on the new power poles. It’s a gold area. Is that relevent? Explanation?

This one:

https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/projects/western-highway

It’s presently on hold by injunction for sorting out important trees stuff.

I think it is spray seeding buffy.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:30:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1680183
Subject: re: Green dirt

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

I think this one is for MV. We just drove back from Melbourne via Ballarat and Ararat. Along the Western Highway nearly into Ararat, where there is work being done on a new path for the highway the dirt, which looks like it’s what has been dug out, is green. That copper sort of green. Matches nicely with the green tinge on the new power poles. It’s a gold area. Is that relevent? Explanation?

This one:

https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/projects/western-highway

It’s presently on hold by injunction for sorting out important trees stuff.

I think it is spray seeding buffy.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Spray+seeding+earthworks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNzbWmu5ruAhXQ6XMBHXwVCNIQ_AUoAXoECBAQAw&biw=1708&bih=730

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:32:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1680185
Subject: re: Green dirt

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I think this one is for MV. We just drove back from Melbourne via Ballarat and Ararat. Along the Western Highway nearly into Ararat, where there is work being done on a new path for the highway the dirt, which looks like it’s what has been dug out, is green. That copper sort of green. Matches nicely with the green tinge on the new power poles. It’s a gold area. Is that relevent? Explanation?

This one:

https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/projects/western-highway

It’s presently on hold by injunction for sorting out important trees stuff.

I think it is spray seeding buffy.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Spray+seeding+earthworks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNzbWmu5ruAhXQ6XMBHXwVCNIQ_AUoAXoECBAQAw&biw=1708&bih=730

and it also works as a stabliser.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:33:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1680188
Subject: re: Green dirt

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

I think this one is for MV. We just drove back from Melbourne via Ballarat and Ararat. Along the Western Highway nearly into Ararat, where there is work being done on a new path for the highway the dirt, which looks like it’s what has been dug out, is green. That copper sort of green. Matches nicely with the green tinge on the new power poles. It’s a gold area. Is that relevent? Explanation?

This one:

https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/projects/western-highway

It’s presently on hold by injunction for sorting out important trees stuff.

I think it is spray seeding buffy.

Yep.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:38:36
From: party_pants
ID: 1680192
Subject: re: Green dirt

It is called hydroseeding. I see it around here from time to time as new developments pop up. It stabilises the sand so it doesn’t all blow away while the grass seeds germinate and grow. Cheaper than laying rolled up turf, especially for large areas.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:44:33
From: buffy
ID: 1680196
Subject: re: Green dirt

I don’t think so, it’s piles of dirt along the side of the road.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:48:32
From: buffy
ID: 1680202
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


I don’t think so, it’s piles of dirt along the side of the road.

Oh, and it’s in an area they haven’t finished yet. So it’s like the road area is dug out, the dirt is piled on the side and the dirt is green.

?

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:50:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1680205
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


buffy said:

I don’t think so, it’s piles of dirt along the side of the road.

Oh, and it’s in an area they haven’t finished yet. So it’s like the road area is dug out, the dirt is piled on the side and the dirt is green.

?

It is likely a solvent to increase the capacity for the soil to be watered. It is green so they know where they have put it. It is usually spread out where they sow the grass seed.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:52:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1680209
Subject: re: Green dirt

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

I don’t think so, it’s piles of dirt along the side of the road.

Oh, and it’s in an area they haven’t finished yet. So it’s like the road area is dug out, the dirt is piled on the side and the dirt is green.

?

It is likely a solvent to increase the capacity for the soil to be watered. It is green so they know where they have put it. It is usually spread out where they sow the grass seed.

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:56:34
From: buffy
ID: 1680216
Subject: re: Green dirt

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Oh, and it’s in an area they haven’t finished yet. So it’s like the road area is dug out, the dirt is piled on the side and the dirt is green.

?

It is likely a solvent to increase the capacity for the soil to be watered. It is green so they know where they have put it. It is usually spread out where they sow the grass seed.

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.

But I’m saying that where this dirt is piled up (roughly), there is quite a bit more work to be done yet. I would not expect any soil prepping to be done until the soil was put where it was going to end up. It looks like tailings/overburden dumps. Some long runs. Some piles.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:57:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1680217
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

It is likely a solvent to increase the capacity for the soil to be watered. It is green so they know where they have put it. It is usually spread out where they sow the grass seed.

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.

But I’m saying that where this dirt is piled up (roughly), there is quite a bit more work to be done yet. I would not expect any soil prepping to be done until the soil was put where it was going to end up. It looks like tailings/overburden dumps. Some long runs. Some piles.

Maybe they are just stablising it for future use.

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:58:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1680221
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

It is likely a solvent to increase the capacity for the soil to be watered. It is green so they know where they have put it. It is usually spread out where they sow the grass seed.

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.

But I’m saying that where this dirt is piled up (roughly), there is quite a bit more work to be done yet. I would not expect any soil prepping to be done until the soil was put where it was going to end up. It looks like tailings/overburden dumps. Some long runs. Some piles.

They may top dress with it to seal the site from erosion?

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Date: 14/01/2021 14:59:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1680222
Subject: re: Green dirt

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.

But I’m saying that where this dirt is piled up (roughly), there is quite a bit more work to be done yet. I would not expect any soil prepping to be done until the soil was put where it was going to end up. It looks like tailings/overburden dumps. Some long runs. Some piles.

Maybe they are just stablising it for future use.

It is also possible that some grader driver pushed it out of the way but usually I see it spread out where they sow the grass.

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Date: 14/01/2021 15:03:34
From: buffy
ID: 1680223
Subject: re: Green dirt

Still seems an odd thing to do to the stuff which is presumably going to be spread or moved later. It’s quite flat countryside, it’s not going to go anywhere except in extremely high winds. The bed of the “road” under construction is the usual dirt colour.

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Date: 14/01/2021 15:03:38
From: Tamb
ID: 1680224
Subject: re: Green dirt

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Oh, and it’s in an area they haven’t finished yet. So it’s like the road area is dug out, the dirt is piled on the side and the dirt is green.

?

It is likely a solvent to increase the capacity for the soil to be watered. It is green so they know where they have put it. It is usually spread out where they sow the grass seed.

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.


There are some greenish clay soils.

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Date: 14/01/2021 15:05:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1680226
Subject: re: Green dirt

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

It is likely a solvent to increase the capacity for the soil to be watered. It is green so they know where they have put it. It is usually spread out where they sow the grass seed.

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.


There are some greenish clay soils.

With the empphasis in -ish

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Date: 14/01/2021 15:07:28
From: Tamb
ID: 1680228
Subject: re: Green dirt

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Many soils are hydrophobic. They can’t afford for the water to run away from the intended site.


There are some greenish clay soils.

With the empphasis in -ish


The larger the amount the greener is appears.

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Date: 14/01/2021 15:08:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 1680229
Subject: re: Green dirt

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

There are some greenish clay soils.

With the empphasis in -ish


The larger the amount the greener is appears.

Yes but did you read buffy’s original description of the green?

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Date: 14/01/2021 15:10:07
From: Tamb
ID: 1680234
Subject: re: Green dirt

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

With the empphasis in -ish


The larger the amount the greener is appears.

Yes but did you read buffy’s original description of the green?


Yes. My clay idea doesn’t fit the description so I withdraw it.

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Date: 14/01/2021 16:51:49
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1680281
Subject: re: Green dirt

There are many green rocks, often from the zone between volcanic and base rock zones. Eclogite, serpentinites, peridotites, etc. A goldmine I visited in the Pilbara, they were removing thousands of tons of it to reach gold bearing areas.

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Date: 14/01/2021 17:03:58
From: dv
ID: 1680290
Subject: re: Green dirt

yeah I’d probably lean towards hydroseeding as well, there are some greenish soil types but not that bright copper-oxide kind of green.

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Date: 14/01/2021 17:08:34
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1680294
Subject: re: Green dirt

Some green volcanic ash and tuff can present in small particles like “dirt” too.

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Date: 14/01/2021 17:21:44
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1680300
Subject: re: Green dirt

volcanic tuff is a pyroclastic, consolidated rock composed of compacted and cemented volcanic ash, from volcanic eruptions. The rock is often soft and porous. Texture and chemical / mineralogical composition are variable, the grain size of the ash is below 4 mm (above 4 mm: volcanic breccia).

http://chc.sbg.ac.at/sri/thesaurus/node.php?id=35

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Date: 14/01/2021 17:46:03
From: buffy
ID: 1680316
Subject: re: Green dirt

dv said:


yeah I’d probably lean towards hydroseeding as well, there are some greenish soil types but not that bright copper-oxide kind of green.

Maybe they had the stuff ready to go when the injunction came down and they decided just to spray it all over whatever was there…

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Date: 14/01/2021 18:18:38
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1680328
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


dv said:

yeah I’d probably lean towards hydroseeding as well, there are some greenish soil types but not that bright copper-oxide kind of green.

Maybe they had the stuff ready to go when the injunction came down and they decided just to spray it all over whatever was there…

Basically hydroseeding is just water, fertiliser, seed and a binder/tackifier (green), so cannot be stockpiled, although the binder/tackifier may be used with water the stabilise heaped soil to stop it blowing away.

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Date: 14/01/2021 18:22:36
From: buffy
ID: 1680331
Subject: re: Green dirt

PermeateFree said:


buffy said:

dv said:

yeah I’d probably lean towards hydroseeding as well, there are some greenish soil types but not that bright copper-oxide kind of green.

Maybe they had the stuff ready to go when the injunction came down and they decided just to spray it all over whatever was there…

Basically hydroseeding is just water, fertiliser, seed and a binder/tackifier (green), so cannot be stockpiled, although the binder/tackifier may be used with water the stabilise heaped soil to stop it blowing away.

Ah, maybe we are getting somewhere. I should have taken a photo.

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Date: 14/01/2021 18:29:25
From: buffy
ID: 1680336
Subject: re: Green dirt

OK, I’m happy to go with hydroseeding, but I would have been happier if it wasn’t in the middle of unfinished roadworks. I possibly would have known immediately what it was. But just the random piles of dirt on the side of the road was odd.

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Date: 14/01/2021 18:35:47
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1680342
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


OK, I’m happy to go with hydroseeding, but I would have been happier if it wasn’t in the middle of unfinished roadworks. I possibly would have known immediately what it was. But just the random piles of dirt on the side of the road was odd.

They do use any roadside material to assist in making roads, locally limestone is used, but this is not the very hard ocean reef limestone, but a much softer type created by calcareous material being leeched from alkaline sands that collects at a deeper level. These are easily collected via a frontend loader.

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Date: 14/01/2021 18:41:07
From: dv
ID: 1680348
Subject: re: Green dirt

Get a picture next time

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Date: 14/01/2021 18:49:23
From: Michael V
ID: 1680352
Subject: re: Green dirt

I can’t help you with it buffy – there are many, many green minerals and rocks, including clays and clay-like minerals. Without photos and other context, it’s impossible to tell.

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Date: 14/01/2021 19:00:16
From: buffy
ID: 1680356
Subject: re: Green dirt

Michael V said:


I can’t help you with it buffy – there are many, many green minerals and rocks, including clays and clay-like minerals. Without photos and other context, it’s impossible to tell.

I think the others worked it out. I was assuming it was local dirt, because it was just the overburden heaps, so I didn’t think of hydroseeding. I’m still puzzled as to why they would be hydroseeded, but there you go.

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Date: 14/01/2021 19:06:10
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1680362
Subject: re: Green dirt

buffy said:


Michael V said:

I can’t help you with it buffy – there are many, many green minerals and rocks, including clays and clay-like minerals. Without photos and other context, it’s impossible to tell.

I think the others worked it out. I was assuming it was local dirt, because it was just the overburden heaps, so I didn’t think of hydroseeding. I’m still puzzled as to why they would be hydroseeded, but there you go.

They are highly unlikely to be hydroseeded as seed is very expensive, but to stabilise the soil they may just use the green binding agent and water to restrict ‘dirt’ movement.

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Date: 14/01/2021 19:09:19
From: party_pants
ID: 1680363
Subject: re: Green dirt

PermeateFree said:


buffy said:

dv said:

yeah I’d probably lean towards hydroseeding as well, there are some greenish soil types but not that bright copper-oxide kind of green.

Maybe they had the stuff ready to go when the injunction came down and they decided just to spray it all over whatever was there…

Basically hydroseeding is just water, fertiliser, seed and a binder/tackifier (green), so cannot be stockpiled, although the binder/tackifier may be used with water the stabilise heaped soil to stop it blowing away.

I think this is what they do around here. Whenever new blocks of land go up for sale they have this green paste applied. It sort of looks nicer than just plain old yellow sand but it seals the surface and stops wind-blown sand covering up the street and blocking the drains. It probably doesn’t have any seed or fertiliser in it, they just use it as a binder.

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