The world’s oceans absorbed 20 sextillion joules of heat due to climate change in 2020 and warmed to record levels, a study has found.

That quantity — expressed numerically as 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules — is equivalent to the energy from 10 Hiroshima atomic bombs being released every second of the year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-18/ocean-temperatures-reached-record-high-in-2020-study-finds/13062628

what’s that in significand exponent notation, and what’s that compared to the usual annual energy budget

SCIENCE said:

what’s that in significand exponent notation, and what’s that compared to the usual annual energy budget

My thoughts exactly.

roughbarked said:

The world’s oceans absorbed 20 sextillion joules of heat due to climate change in 2020 and warmed to record levels, a study has found.

That quantity — expressed numerically as 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules — is equivalent to the energy from 10 Hiroshima atomic bombs being released every second of the year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-18/ocean-temperatures-reached-record-high-in-2020-study-finds/13062628

Negligible compared to el Nino.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

The world’s oceans absorbed 20 sextillion joules of heat due to climate change in 2020 and warmed to record levels, a study has found.

That quantity — expressed numerically as 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules — is equivalent to the energy from 10 Hiroshima atomic bombs being released every second of the year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-18/ocean-temperatures-reached-record-high-in-2020-study-finds/13062628

Negligible compared to el Nino.

numbers schmumbers.
No climate change is negligible.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

The world’s oceans absorbed 20 sextillion joules of heat due to climate change in 2020 and warmed to record levels, a study has found.

That quantity — expressed numerically as 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules — is equivalent to the energy from 10 Hiroshima atomic bombs being released every second of the year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-18/ocean-temperatures-reached-record-high-in-2020-study-finds/13062628

Negligible compared to el Nino.

So 10˄21 joules

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

The world’s oceans absorbed 20 sextillion joules of heat due to climate change in 2020 and warmed to record levels, a study has found.

That quantity — expressed numerically as 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules — is equivalent to the energy from 10 Hiroshima atomic bombs being released every second of the year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-18/ocean-temperatures-reached-record-high-in-2020-study-finds/13062628

Negligible compared to el Nino.

So 10˄21 joules

Um?

2 × 10^22 J?

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Negligible compared to el Nino.

So 10˄21 joules

Um?

2 × 10^22 J?

Oh der, typo. Meant 20 × 10˄21 or as you rightly say 2 × 10^22 J.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

So 10˄21 joules

Um?

2 × 10^22 J?

Oh der, typo. Meant 20 × 10˄21 or as you rightly say 2 × 10^22 J.

According to TATE the total annual energy supply in 2017 was about 5.9×10^20 J, so about 3% of the heat gain of the oceans.

Also:
!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption#/media/File:Global-primary-energy_(1).png!
shows energy output from fossil fuels still growing rapidly.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

So 10˄21 joules

Um?

2 × 10^22 J?

Oh der, typo. Meant 20 × 10˄21 or as you rightly say 2 × 10^22 J.

yeah just as an exercise in why writing numbers like 2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is bad we admit when we skimmed it first time we thought is that 17 or 18 or powers of 10 but what’s a few thousand between ingénieurs right

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

So 10˄21 joules

Um?

2 × 10^22 J?

Oh der, typo. Meant 20 × 10˄21 or as you rightly say 2 × 10^22 J.

:)

Don’t worry about it, it wont kill you unless you fall off a boat mid Pacific. Your children and their children will have a nice warm ocean to swim in too.

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

Cymek said:

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

Cymek said:

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

The ocean is it and the only the thing big enough to do so. So when climate change becomes unbearable where do you go then?

This is just the Pacific, it does not include all the other seas on the other side of the globe AND we are warming it up. What does that tell you?

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

The ocean is it and the only the thing big enough to do so. So when climate change becomes unbearable where do you go then?

This is just the Pacific, it does not include all the other seas on the other side of the globe AND we are warming it up. What does that tell you?

Yes that’s what I mean its a huge heat sink and will eventually fail, it absorbs massive amounts of heat that perhaps could power our entire planet.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

I’m not sure if it would work or not, but the idea has been seriously floated around.

Apparently iron is a vital trace element which micro-algae need to grow and reproduce. The lack of iron is the one the factors limiting algal growth. It has been observed that influxes of iron (from natural events) results in algal blooms.

The deep sea critters migrating to the surface every night to feed and then falling back down again during the day is also well known. The size of the biomass is hard to quantify but it seems very large, larger than all of the surface fish which humans catch and consume. Mostly in small fish the size of a human finger or smaller.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

I’m not sure if it would work or not, but the idea has been seriously floated around.

Apparently iron is a vital trace element which micro-algae need to grow and reproduce. The lack of iron is the one the factors limiting algal growth. It has been observed that influxes of iron (from natural events) results in algal blooms.

The deep sea critters migrating to the surface every night to feed and then falling back down again during the day is also well known. The size of the biomass is hard to quantify but it seems very large, larger than all of the surface fish which humans catch and consume. Mostly in small fish the size of a human finger or smaller.

That might remove carbon, but does it remove heat? (The original question.)

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

I’m not sure if it would work or not, but the idea has been seriously floated around.

Apparently iron is a vital trace element which micro-algae need to grow and reproduce. The lack of iron is the one the factors limiting algal growth. It has been observed that influxes of iron (from natural events) results in algal blooms.

The deep sea critters migrating to the surface every night to feed and then falling back down again during the day is also well known. The size of the biomass is hard to quantify but it seems very large, larger than all of the surface fish which humans catch and consume. Mostly in small fish the size of a human finger or smaller.

That might remove carbon, but does it remove heat? (The original question.)

Now that I could not tell you.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

As the temperatures rise all life in the sea decliines apart from maybe jellyfish.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

We need a way to use the surface of the ocean as a collector for heat/sunlight and store it

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

That’s more like it.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

That’s more like it.

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

That’s more like it.

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

I hope you and your kin enjoy your barbeque.

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

That’s more like it.

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

I hope you and your kin enjoy your barbeque.

LET’S TAKE ACTION NOW

WAIT

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

I hope you and your kin enjoy your barbeque.

LET’S TAKE ACTION NOW

WAIT

WAIT it the octomom word. You sit around chatting, dreaming up increasingly unrealistic solutions and then relax having done your share.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

I hope you and your kin enjoy your barbeque.

LET’S TAKE ACTION NOW

WAIT

WAIT it the octomom word. You sit around chatting, dreaming up increasingly unrealistic solutions and then relax having done your share.

optimum

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

That’s more like it.

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

I hope you and your kin enjoy your barbeque.

LET’S TAKE ACTION NOW

WAIT

WAIT it the octomom word. You sit around chatting, dreaming up increasingly unrealistic solutions and then relax having done your share.

How do you know what we do ?
Your a human so are as responsible as anyone else for what’s happening.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

That’s more like it.

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

People need to reduce their standard of living before it is done for them. Money is not everything as modern politics would have you believe. However I shall not be holding my breath. The children need to take control because it is their world we are fucking up.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

That’s more like it.

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

Plus if they actually work they could also be restricted zones were no fishing is allowed, protected areas, the oceans certainly need that.

Surely massive corrections methods is what’s needed so fossil fuel is no longer viable or profitable so its not worth using it anymore.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

LET’S TAKE ACTION NOW

WAIT

WAIT it the octomom word. You sit around chatting, dreaming up increasingly unrealistic solutions and then relax having done your share.

How do you know what we do ?
Your a human so are as responsible as anyone else for what’s happening.

It is the way we live, it is the path we have chosen to take. It is not just you or me, it is our society and we don’t care enough to change it.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

People need to reduce their standard of living before it is done for them. Money is not everything as modern politics would have you believe. However I shall not be holding my breath. The children need to take control because it is their world we are fucking up.

Wouldn’t it be better if there were fewer children?

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

People need to reduce their standard of living before it is done for them. Money is not everything as modern politics would have you believe. However I shall not be holding my breath. The children need to take control because it is their world we are fucking up.

That’s probably unlikely even if it’s what is required
Yes everything is about money and growth of economies which doesn’t even make sense in a limited resource planet.
What would help though is clean cheap renewable power that is decentralised so no one can dominate it

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

The enormity and seriousness of the problem seems to escape most people, is it because they cannot or do not want to imagine what the young members of their family will face, or it just beyond their comprehension? Do these people really think that such massive correction methods required to make the slightest difference will not generate their own problems, which may even be worse?

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

Plus if they actually work they could also be restricted zones were no fishing is allowed, protected areas, the oceans certainly need that.

Surely massive corrections methods is what’s needed so fossil fuel is no longer viable or profitable so its not worth using it anymore.

WE just need to stop producing CO2 and methane regardless of its initial cost. But it wont happen because of the inaction of the majority.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

WAIT it the octomom word. You sit around chatting, dreaming up increasingly unrealistic solutions and then relax having done your share.

How do you know what we do ?
Your a human so are as responsible as anyone else for what’s happening.

It is the way we live, it is the path we have chosen to take. It is not just you or me, it is our society and we don’t care enough to change it.

Probably not, its quite shameful to ruin this planet, perhaps its in our nature which isn’t good for our future

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

Plus if they actually work they could also be restricted zones were no fishing is allowed, protected areas, the oceans certainly need that.

Surely massive corrections methods is what’s needed so fossil fuel is no longer viable or profitable so its not worth using it anymore.

WE just need to stop producing CO2 and methane regardless of its initial cost. But it wont happen because of the inaction of the majority.

Some people are trying though, warning after warning is being given but the greedy don’t listen.
I thought perhaps Corona would show the human race a taste of what is to come but unlikely it seems

Tamb said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

People need to reduce their standard of living before it is done for them. Money is not everything as modern politics would have you believe. However I shall not be holding my breath. The children need to take control because it is their world we are fucking up.

Wouldn’t it be better if there were fewer children?

That wont happen either for quite a while. It is the children who need to kick the old sods out of the comfy chairs. It needs a very different way of thinking and soon for any hope.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

It all comes down to our need to consume doesn’t it much of that the consumption of power, its the cause of most of the damage.
We can’t magic it out of nothing so have to do something less damaging that fossil fuel burning.
It was just an idea anywau

People need to reduce their standard of living before it is done for them. Money is not everything as modern politics would have you believe. However I shall not be holding my breath. The children need to take control because it is their world we are fucking up.

That’s probably unlikely even if it’s what is required
Yes everything is about money and growth of economies which doesn’t even make sense in a limited resource planet.
What would help though is clean cheap renewable power that is decentralised so no one can dominate it

>>That’s probably unlikely even if it’s what is required<< Which is why we are all fucked!

PermeateFree said:

Tamb said:

PermeateFree said:

People need to reduce their standard of living before it is done for them. Money is not everything as modern politics would have you believe. However I shall not be holding my breath. The children need to take control because it is their world we are fucking up.

Wouldn’t it be better if there were fewer children?

That wont happen either for quite a while. It is the children who need to kick the old sods out of the comfy chairs. It needs a very different way of thinking and soon for any hope.

Pretty much that what I think as well the current couple of younger generations need to be given more power as they get the damaged planet

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Plus if they actually work they could also be restricted zones were no fishing is allowed, protected areas, the oceans certainly need that.

Surely massive corrections methods is what’s needed so fossil fuel is no longer viable or profitable so its not worth using it anymore.

WE just need to stop producing CO2 and methane regardless of its initial cost. But it wont happen because of the inaction of the majority.

Some people are trying though, warning after warning is being given but the greedy don’t listen.
I thought perhaps Corona would show the human race a taste of what is to come but unlikely it seems

Power is rarely given, but must be taken. For any hope you have got to get rid of these people, regardless of the consequences.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

People need to reduce their standard of living before it is done for them. Money is not everything as modern politics would have you believe. However I shall not be holding my breath. The children need to take control because it is their world we are fucking up.

That’s probably unlikely even if it’s what is required
Yes everything is about money and growth of economies which doesn’t even make sense in a limited resource planet.
What would help though is clean cheap renewable power that is decentralised so no one can dominate it

>>That’s probably unlikely even if it’s what is required<< Which is why we are all fucked!

I don’t think that way but others do I’m being realistic like you are.
I don’t disagree with you, we do have the resources and ability to minimise it though.
If the world over 75 years ago could switch to a war economy we could switch to a environmental economy and have it geared towards damage repair.
Millions of jobs to do it replacing jobs that damage the environment.
The budget we spend on weapons and the military each year would go a long way on its own.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

WE just need to stop producing CO2 and methane regardless of its initial cost. But it wont happen because of the inaction of the majority.

Some people are trying though, warning after warning is being given but the greedy don’t listen.
I thought perhaps Corona would show the human race a taste of what is to come but unlikely it seems

Power is rarely given, but must be taken. For any hope you have got to get rid of these people, regardless of the consequences.

Yeah I wondered that should violent takeover be considered, its all peaceful for the most part but the status quo don’t work that way and may need to be forced out.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Tamb said:

Wouldn’t it be better if there were fewer children?

That wont happen either for quite a while. It is the children who need to kick the old sods out of the comfy chairs. It needs a very different way of thinking and soon for any hope.

Pretty much that what I think as well the current couple of younger generations need to be given more power as they get the damaged planet

We allowed Greta Thunberg an exceptionally well versed young activist to be passed over and largely ignored. The parents of other children should be standing up for her and others against the politicians and vested interests, not just opening another bottle of cold beer and toasting her health.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

That’s probably unlikely even if it’s what is required
Yes everything is about money and growth of economies which doesn’t even make sense in a limited resource planet.
What would help though is clean cheap renewable power that is decentralised so no one can dominate it

>>That’s probably unlikely even if it’s what is required<< Which is why we are all fucked!

I don’t think that way but others do I’m being realistic like you are.
I don’t disagree with you, we do have the resources and ability to minimise it though.
If the world over 75 years ago could switch to a war economy we could switch to a environmental economy and have it geared towards damage repair.
Millions of jobs to do it replacing jobs that damage the environment.
The budget we spend on weapons and the military each year would go a long way on its own.

For the last 30 years, the fossil fuel industry has been producing disinformation to confuse and muddy the water about global warming to slow change and STILL they do it. Politicians are given very healthy grants to support these people and industries. These can be removed and done so at the first opportunity, but NO, we keep voting them back, even the Labor Party wont do much because of the unions. These people have got to be stopped and if their minds cannot be changed, they should be kicked out.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Some people are trying though, warning after warning is being given but the greedy don’t listen.
I thought perhaps Corona would show the human race a taste of what is to come but unlikely it seems

Power is rarely given, but must be taken. For any hope you have got to get rid of these people, regardless of the consequences.

Yeah I wondered that should violent takeover be considered, its all peaceful for the most part but the status quo don’t work that way and may need to be forced out.

You need an uprising of the young that are strongly supported by older people, but will it ever happen? Not on your nelly!

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Power is rarely given, but must be taken. For any hope you have got to get rid of these people, regardless of the consequences.

Yeah I wondered that should violent takeover be considered, its all peaceful for the most part but the status quo don’t work that way and may need to be forced out.

You need an uprising of the young that are strongly supported by older people, but will it ever happen? Not on your nelly!

I do wonder if lots of cognitive bias is present in the power makers who actually don’t have the mental ability or intelligence to see the bigger picture of from the oppositions point of view.
I means it’s pretty obvious and logical the planet has finite resources and can be damaged by the actions of the human race and we all have a responsibility to make sure its in good health for the future. With so many nations all vying for their own wants above everyone else no consensus will ever be reached

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Yeah I wondered that should violent takeover be considered, its all peaceful for the most part but the status quo don’t work that way and may need to be forced out.

You need an uprising of the young that are strongly supported by older people, but will it ever happen? Not on your nelly!

I do wonder if lots of cognitive bias is present in the power makers who actually don’t have the mental ability or intelligence to see the bigger picture of from the oppositions point of view.
I means it’s pretty obvious and logical the planet has finite resources and can be damaged by the actions of the human race and we all have a responsibility to make sure its in good health for the future. With so many nations all vying for their own wants above everyone else no consensus will ever be reached

And so we continue to the cliff edge, because GW and mass extinction is not going to stop by just tweaking around the edges.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

Iron seeding on the surface layers = bloom in plankton, which soaks up dissolved CO2. At night the deep sea feeders come up to the surface and gobble the plankton, then they go back down into the deep and excrete the waste. The poo sinks down to the ocean floor. Thus taking atmospheric carbon and sequestering it away in the deep ocean.

That would work ?
Good if it did
I was thinking turning the ocean into giant solar panels, some sort of huge grid (floating plastic sheet type structure, kilometres on each size) that capture the heat and uses it for something useful and preventing temperature rises.

I’m not sure if it would work or not, but the idea has been seriously floated around.

Apparently iron is a vital trace element which micro-algae need to grow and reproduce. The lack of iron is the one the factors limiting algal growth. It has been observed that influxes of iron (from natural events) results in algal blooms.

The deep sea critters migrating to the surface every night to feed and then falling back down again during the day is also well known. The size of the biomass is hard to quantify but it seems very large, larger than all of the surface fish which humans catch and consume. Mostly in small fish the size of a human finger or smaller.

Plenty of iron will blow in if we keep denuding Australia’s soils.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

You need an uprising of the young that are strongly supported by older people, but will it ever happen? Not on your nelly!

I do wonder if lots of cognitive bias is present in the power makers who actually don’t have the mental ability or intelligence to see the bigger picture of from the oppositions point of view.
I means it’s pretty obvious and logical the planet has finite resources and can be damaged by the actions of the human race and we all have a responsibility to make sure its in good health for the future. With so many nations all vying for their own wants above everyone else no consensus will ever be reached

And so we continue to the cliff edge, because GW and mass extinction is not going to stop by just tweaking around the edges.

No. America to Re-Join the Paris Accord

…well…
it’s a start

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

LET’S TAKE ACTION NOW

WAIT

WAIT it the octomom word. You sit around chatting, dreaming up increasingly unrealistic solutions and then relax having done your share.

How do you know what we do ?
Your a human so are as responsible as anyone else for what’s happening.

well we’re going to drive around tomorrow