Date: 20/01/2021 22:17:51
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1683451
Subject: A new type of artificial meat

McMaster researchers have developed a new form of cultivated meat using a method that promises more natural flavour and texture than other alternatives to traditional meat from animals.

Researchers Ravi Selvaganapathy and Alireza Shahin-Shamsabadi, both of the university’s School of Biomedical Engineering, have devised a way to make meat by stacking thin sheets of cultivated muscle and fat cells grown together in a lab setting. The technique is adapted from a method used to grow tissue for human transplants.

The sheets of living cells, each about the thickness of a sheet of printer paper, are first grown in culture and then concentrated on growth plates before being peeled off and stacked or folded together. The sheets naturally bond to one another before the cells die.

The layers can be stacked into a solid piece of any thickness, Selvaganapathy says, and “tuned” to replicate the fat content and marbling of any cut of meat — an advantage over other alternatives.

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:20:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1683454
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Sounds good but only if they can do it cheaply enough.

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:35:17
From: Rule 303
ID: 1683466
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Bubblecar said:


Sounds good but only if they can do it cheaply enough.

Cows are currently going for $2.85/kg live weight.

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:36:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1683469
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


Bubblecar said:

Sounds good but only if they can do it cheaply enough.

Cows are currently going for $2.85/kg live weight.

But on the shelf?

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:38:55
From: Rule 303
ID: 1683474
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

roughbarked said:


Rule 303 said:

Bubblecar said:

Sounds good but only if they can do it cheaply enough.

Cows are currently going for $2.85/kg live weight.

But on the shelf?

Sorry, thought we were talking about production cost.

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:41:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1683476
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

Cows are currently going for $2.85/kg live weight.

But on the shelf?

Sorry, thought we were talking about production cost.

I’m reasonably sure that production cost will be where the price misses out on butchering and all that.

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:47:51
From: Rule 303
ID: 1683481
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

roughbarked said:


Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

But on the shelf?

Sorry, thought we were talking about production cost.

I’m reasonably sure that production cost will be where the price misses out on butchering and all that.

Well…. High marble Wagyu is about $450/kg.

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:53:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1683486
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

Sorry, thought we were talking about production cost.

I’m reasonably sure that production cost will be where the price misses out on butchering and all that.

Well…. High marble Wagyu is about $450/kg.

In China?

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:56:35
From: Rule 303
ID: 1683488
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

roughbarked said:


Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

I’m reasonably sure that production cost will be where the price misses out on butchering and all that.

Well…. High marble Wagyu is about $450/kg.

In China?

I don’t know.

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Date: 20/01/2021 22:58:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1683490
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

Well…. High marble Wagyu is about $450/kg.

In China?

I don’t know.

Anyway thank the good lord I don’t have to buy it.
I can eat sliced coon for less than $6 per kg

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Date: 21/01/2021 08:11:19
From: Ogmog
ID: 1683554
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Spiny Norman said:


McMaster researchers have developed a new form of cultivated meat using a method that promises more natural flavour and texture than other alternatives to traditional meat from animals.
> snip <
The layers can be stacked into a solid piece of any thickness, Selvaganapathy says, and “tuned” to replicate the fat content and marbling of any cut of meat — an advantage over other alternatives.

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WEIRD!
My first thought was “Is It Ethical?”
followed immediately by, “As opposed to murdering the real thing?”

Then: Is this potentially another step in Robotics? Bicentennial Man

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Date: 21/01/2021 20:59:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1683943
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Better than killing millions of animals.

If we can get away from killing for food that’s a real step forward

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:02:57
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1683945
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Funny enough I was passing through a vet today, heard the meow of a cat on the table. They were wrestling a cat on the table injecting something into its leg. A few minutes later I saw the assistant pull out a cloth bag. Then I noticed the cat wasn’t in a cage. I think the back story is the owner just didn’t want the cat anymore and they were tasked to kill it. The owner wasn’t around.

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:05:06
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1683947
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

That was my first execution I guess. When you do the abortion clinics they arent killing the children whilst you are there. I just service the gas chambers I dont directly kill the prisoners.

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:12:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1683951
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

wookiemeister said:

abortion clinics they arent killing the children whilst you are there

right

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:31:03
From: buffy
ID: 1683958
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

wookiemeister said:


That was my first execution I guess. When you do the abortion clinics they arent killing the children whilst you are there. I just service the gas chambers I dont directly kill the prisoners.

My first thought about that was…how does the pregnant woman not be there? (I really know I shouldn’t take the bait)

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:34:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1683961
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

buffy said:


wookiemeister said:

That was my first execution I guess. When you do the abortion clinics they arent killing the children whilst you are there. I just service the gas chambers I dont directly kill the prisoners.

My first thought about that was…how does the pregnant woman not be there? (I really know I shouldn’t take the bait)


Don’t worry about it.

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:36:24
From: buffy
ID: 1683963
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

wookiemeister said:


buffy said:

wookiemeister said:

That was my first execution I guess. When you do the abortion clinics they arent killing the children whilst you are there. I just service the gas chambers I dont directly kill the prisoners.

My first thought about that was…how does the pregnant woman not be there? (I really know I shouldn’t take the bait)


Don’t worry about it.

Oh, I“m not. I’m just suggesting you should think a bit more about what you type.

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:39:21
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1683965
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

SCIENCE said:


wookiemeister said:
abortion clinics they arent killing the children whilst you are there

right


I remember one funny time when they dumped us right in the circle of these women who were maybe pre-or post op. They were silent but looked REALLY angry. The room is badly lit and the women are in big chairs and covered in blankets. We had a big laugh about it afterwards. I remember driving by one day and saw this girl balling her eyes out hanging on to this bloke that looked annoyed and bored he was even there.

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:39:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1683966
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

This is probably in the wrong thread , I just off track sometines

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Date: 21/01/2021 21:41:18
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1683968
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Its always made me wonder if we could 3d print major organs for transplant.

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Date: 21/01/2021 22:59:35
From: Michael V
ID: 1684004
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

roughbarked said:


Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

In China?

I don’t know.

Anyway thank the good lord I don’t have to buy it.
I can eat sliced coon for less than $6 per kg

Really?

Coon hasn’t been near that price for years.

Block: $10.85 per kilo

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/491254/coon-cheese-block-tasty

750 g slices: $10.00 ($13.33/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/187899/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

500 g slices $8.00 ($16.00/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/35157/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

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Date: 21/01/2021 23:07:44
From: Arts
ID: 1684007
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

I don’t know.

Anyway thank the good lord I don’t have to buy it.
I can eat sliced coon for less than $6 per kg

Really?

Coon hasn’t been near that price for years.

Block: $10.85 per kilo

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/491254/coon-cheese-block-tasty

750 g slices: $10.00 ($13.33/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/187899/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

500 g slices $8.00 ($16.00/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/35157/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

also, it’s called Cheer. now

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Date: 21/01/2021 23:12:45
From: Rule 303
ID: 1684008
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway thank the good lord I don’t have to buy it.
I can eat sliced coon for less than $6 per kg

Really?

Coon hasn’t been near that price for years.

Block: $10.85 per kilo

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/491254/coon-cheese-block-tasty

750 g slices: $10.00 ($13.33/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/187899/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

500 g slices $8.00 ($16.00/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/35157/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

also, it’s called Cheer. now

It’s, errrmm… Yeah, alright. <scratches head=""></scratches>

It’s fair to assume he’s talking about the cheese.

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Date: 21/01/2021 23:21:28
From: Michael V
ID: 1684012
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway thank the good lord I don’t have to buy it.
I can eat sliced coon for less than $6 per kg

Really?

Coon hasn’t been near that price for years.

Block: $10.85 per kilo

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/491254/coon-cheese-block-tasty

750 g slices: $10.00 ($13.33/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/187899/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

500 g slices $8.00 ($16.00/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/35157/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

also, it’s called Cheer. now

It will be when the new wrappers are put on it, I guess.

Stupid new name. Surely they could’ve come up with something better than that.

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Date: 21/01/2021 23:49:49
From: Arts
ID: 1684027
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Really?

Coon hasn’t been near that price for years.

Block: $10.85 per kilo

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/491254/coon-cheese-block-tasty

750 g slices: $10.00 ($13.33/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/187899/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

500 g slices $8.00 ($16.00/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/35157/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

also, it’s called Cheer. now

It’s, errrmm… Yeah, alright. <scratches head=""></scratches>

It’s fair to assume he’s talking about the cheese.

racoon?

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Date: 21/01/2021 23:53:55
From: Rule 303
ID: 1684030
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

also, it’s called Cheer. now

It’s, errrmm… Yeah, alright. <scratches head=""></scratches>

It’s fair to assume he’s talking about the cheese.

racoon?

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:04:45
From: Arts
ID: 1684037
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

It’s, errrmm… Yeah, alright. <scratches head=""></scratches>

It’s fair to assume he’s talking about the cheese.

racoon?

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:17:31
From: Rule 303
ID: 1684040
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

racoon?

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

This is more DA’s area, but I suspect the disruption to brand (by changing the name) will cause more harm than sticking with the old one, and be perceived as tokenistic. Changing the description of your band-aids to ‘Beige’ (from ‘skin’) is entirely appropriate, changing the name of your knives from ‘Stanley’ because a very small segment of your market hate blokes called Stanley is silly.

I don’t think that anybody thinks Coon cheese is named after Aborigines, it doesn’t carry the gravitas of the universal ‘nigger’, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

Sure, it should have been changed 50 years ago, but changing it now runs the risk of creating an association where none existed before.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:18:54
From: Michael V
ID: 1684042
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

racoon?

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

It seems it it made in Allansford, Victoria.

Allansford Cheese would be a much better name.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:25:27
From: Arts
ID: 1684044
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

“The name change comes after Mr Hagan and others including actor Josh Thomas called out the brand name earlier this year, saying it was “racist”.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coon-cheese-to-dump-racist-name-after-complaint-from-aboriginal-activist/news-story/a4e3ad0907111138bb3a39e7a705458f

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:29:51
From: sibeen
ID: 1684046
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

This is more DA’s area, but I suspect the disruption to brand (by changing the name) will cause more harm than sticking with the old one, and be perceived as tokenistic. Changing the description of your band-aids to ‘Beige’ (from ‘skin’) is entirely appropriate, changing the name of your knives from ‘Stanley’ because a very small segment of your market hate blokes called Stanley is silly.

I don’t think that anybody thinks Coon cheese is named after Aborigines, it doesn’t carry the gravitas of the universal ‘nigger’, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

Sure, it should have been changed 50 years ago, but changing it now runs the risk of creating an association where none existed before.

There was definitely a few people who were very actively calling for a change because they saw it as racist. One bloke proposed that the name of Coon was deliberately racist and no-one of that surname had every been involved in the chees making process.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:31:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1684047
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

“The name change comes after Mr Hagan and others including actor Josh Thomas called out the brand name earlier this year, saying it was “racist”.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coon-cheese-to-dump-racist-name-after-complaint-from-aboriginal-activist/news-story/a4e3ad0907111138bb3a39e7a705458f

I think I was long familiar with the cheese brand name long before I became aware that it was also an offensive racial term. Probably watching British television shows, like that one featuring Alf the angry old shouty man. He used it. Can’t remember the show was called now.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:32:47
From: sibeen
ID: 1684048
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

party_pants said:


Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

“The name change comes after Mr Hagan and others including actor Josh Thomas called out the brand name earlier this year, saying it was “racist”.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coon-cheese-to-dump-racist-name-after-complaint-from-aboriginal-activist/news-story/a4e3ad0907111138bb3a39e7a705458f

I think I was long familiar with the cheese brand name long before I became aware that it was also an offensive racial term. Probably watching British television shows, like that one featuring Alf the angry old shouty man. He used it. Can’t remember the show was called now.

Love thy neighbour?

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:33:56
From: party_pants
ID: 1684049
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

Arts said:

“The name change comes after Mr Hagan and others including actor Josh Thomas called out the brand name earlier this year, saying it was “racist”.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coon-cheese-to-dump-racist-name-after-complaint-from-aboriginal-activist/news-story/a4e3ad0907111138bb3a39e7a705458f

I think I was long familiar with the cheese brand name long before I became aware that it was also an offensive racial term. Probably watching British television shows, like that one featuring Alf the angry old shouty man. He used it. Can’t remember the show was called now.

Love thy neighbour?

No. I’ll have to look it up.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:35:19
From: sibeen
ID: 1684050
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

I think I was long familiar with the cheese brand name long before I became aware that it was also an offensive racial term. Probably watching British television shows, like that one featuring Alf the angry old shouty man. He used it. Can’t remember the show was called now.

Love thy neighbour?

No. I’ll have to look it up.

Ooo, I’ve never even heard of that one.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:35:48
From: Rule 303
ID: 1684051
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

“The name change comes after Mr Hagan and others including actor Josh Thomas called out the brand name earlier this year, saying it was “racist”.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coon-cheese-to-dump-racist-name-after-complaint-from-aboriginal-activist/news-story/a4e3ad0907111138bb3a39e7a705458f

Yeah OK. >shrugs<

I would hate to see the issue take attention away from the enormous chasm of disadvantage they’re subject to, or to create the impression that we’re addressing the real issues.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:38:28
From: Michael V
ID: 1684055
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

party_pants said:


Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

“The name change comes after Mr Hagan and others including actor Josh Thomas called out the brand name earlier this year, saying it was “racist”.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coon-cheese-to-dump-racist-name-after-complaint-from-aboriginal-activist/news-story/a4e3ad0907111138bb3a39e7a705458f

I think I was long familiar with the cheese brand name long before I became aware that it was also an offensive racial term. Probably watching British television shows, like that one featuring Alf the angry old shouty man. He used it. Can’t remember the show was called now.

Alf Garnett – “Till Death Us Do Part”.

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Date: 22/01/2021 00:49:17
From: party_pants
ID: 1684059
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Arts said:

“The name change comes after Mr Hagan and others including actor Josh Thomas called out the brand name earlier this year, saying it was “racist”.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/coon-cheese-to-dump-racist-name-after-complaint-from-aboriginal-activist/news-story/a4e3ad0907111138bb3a39e7a705458f

I think I was long familiar with the cheese brand name long before I became aware that it was also an offensive racial term. Probably watching British television shows, like that one featuring Alf the angry old shouty man. He used it. Can’t remember the show was called now.

Alf Garnett – “Till Death Us Do Part”.

that’s it!

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:22:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684071
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Love thy neighbour?

No. I’ll have to look it up.

Ooo, I’ve never even heard of that one.

Steptoe and Son.

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:24:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684073
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I think I was long familiar with the cheese brand name long before I became aware that it was also an offensive racial term. Probably watching British television shows, like that one featuring Alf the angry old shouty man. He used it. Can’t remember the show was called now.

Alf Garnett – “Till Death Us Do Part”.

that’s it!

Oh. Him.

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:38:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684075
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

wookiemeister said:


Better than killing millions of animals.

If we can get away from killing for food that’s a real step forward

The vegans have been telling you that since way back when.

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:41:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684077
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

wookiemeister said:


This is probably in the wrong thread , I just off track sometines

only sometimes?

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:45:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684078
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

I don’t know.

Anyway thank the good lord I don’t have to buy it.
I can eat sliced coon for less than $6 per kg

Really?

Coon hasn’t been near that price for years.

Block: $10.85 per kilo

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/491254/coon-cheese-block-tasty

750 g slices: $10.00 ($13.33/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/187899/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

500 g slices $8.00 ($16.00/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/35157/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

You see, they are selling off stock that is labelled Coon. New stock will be arriving, cheers.

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:46:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684079
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Really?

Coon hasn’t been near that price for years.

Block: $10.85 per kilo

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/491254/coon-cheese-block-tasty

750 g slices: $10.00 ($13.33/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/187899/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

500 g slices $8.00 ($16.00/kg)

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/35157/coon-cheese-slices-tasty

also, it’s called Cheer. now

It’s, errrmm… Yeah, alright. <scratches head=""></scratches>

It’s fair to assume he’s talking about the cheese.

He was.

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:50:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684081
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Rule 303 said:


Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

It’s, errrmm… Yeah, alright. <scratches head=""></scratches>

It’s fair to assume he’s talking about the cheese.

racoon?

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

:) you got it. Very well explained.

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:51:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684082
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Arts said:


Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

racoon?

An illustration of the pointlessness of changing the name, for my own entertainment, mostly. Nobody thought he was talking about eating sliced Aborigine.

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

They are LBJ little baby jesus.

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Date: 22/01/2021 06:53:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1684083
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

it’s coincidental that the name of the cheese and the racial slur are the same. Unfortunately it has become a lesson in perception and modern understanding. To allow a brand to be called something that, in the forefront of the general publics’ mind, is a racial slur in modern times is bad for business. And with other brands changing their names/branding (ones that were created as a homage, or perhaps, feudal dig) to not do so might be considered worse than the name itself. It shows a lack of modern understanding to the way society thinks and betters themselves, so the name change is fine… but I agree that Cheers is lacklustre and perhaps it should have been little baby cheeses… or LBC for short.

This is more DA’s area, but I suspect the disruption to brand (by changing the name) will cause more harm than sticking with the old one, and be perceived as tokenistic. Changing the description of your band-aids to ‘Beige’ (from ‘skin’) is entirely appropriate, changing the name of your knives from ‘Stanley’ because a very small segment of your market hate blokes called Stanley is silly.

I don’t think that anybody thinks Coon cheese is named after Aborigines, it doesn’t carry the gravitas of the universal ‘nigger’, and no indigenous Australians are complaining about it, AFAIK.

Sure, it should have been changed 50 years ago, but changing it now runs the risk of creating an association where none existed before.

There was definitely a few people who were very actively calling for a change because they saw it as racist. One bloke proposed that the name of Coon was deliberately racist and no-one of that surname had every been involved in the chees making process.

Actually his name was Cohn but that sounded too German and it was changed.

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Date: 24/01/2021 20:53:48
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1685426
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

How about the great offended make , advertise and distribute their OWN cheese and then encourage to buy their delicious cheese instead of coon cheese? As it stands apparently “cheer” is no good either.

Im tired of the empty heads who’ve done fuck all in the past and present dictating how its going to be.

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Date: 24/01/2021 21:27:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1685443
Subject: re: A new type of artificial meat

Spiny Norman said:


McMaster researchers have developed a new form of cultivated meat using a method that promises more natural flavour and texture than other alternatives to traditional meat from animals.

Researchers Ravi Selvaganapathy and Alireza Shahin-Shamsabadi, both of the university’s School of Biomedical Engineering, have devised a way to make meat by stacking thin sheets of cultivated muscle and fat cells grown together in a lab setting. The technique is adapted from a method used to grow tissue for human transplants.

The sheets of living cells, each about the thickness of a sheet of printer paper, are first grown in culture and then concentrated on growth plates before being peeled off and stacked or folded together. The sheets naturally bond to one another before the cells die.

The layers can be stacked into a solid piece of any thickness, Selvaganapathy says, and “tuned” to replicate the fat content and marbling of any cut of meat — an advantage over other alternatives.

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I was thinking recently that artificial meat’s main problem is that the fibres are random rather than all oriented in the same direction. That made me think about artificially pulling the fibres to align them, but I could see that that wouldn’t work.

Laying down the sheets in layers as in the OP would be part way there because the fibres would be random in 2-D rather than random in 3-D. But that’s not good enough either.

So I came up with the idea of adding aligned plastic threads as dietary fibre to get back the chewiness of artificial meat. The plastic used in the insulation of electrical wires has a similar chewiness to meat. That is typically polyethylene.

Is polyethylene good enough as a chewy 1-D fibre for artificial meat? Perhaps too high a concentration of plastic in the meat would be needed. Or perhaps HDPE is perfect – it’s completely safe. Or perhaps there’s a melting problem when the meat is cooked. Other plastics cope better with heat. I wouldn’t rule out polyester.

Polyethylene has a pleasant bland flavour, unlike the urea formaldehyde, urethane and styrene-based plastics that have a less pleasant taste. Polypropylene and PET also have a pleasant bland flavour like polyethylene and are similarly crystalline, but have better engineering properties of higher heat resistance and greater rigidity.

So perhaps we shred our recycled PET bottles into thin fibres to lay down as a matrix for the dietary fibre of artificial meat.

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