OK, I thought I had this one ID’d, but I can’t find where I wrote it down, if I wrote it down. Can someone please point me in some sort of direction? It’s from our bush. And I think we decided it was native. This specimen is in the garden here, having survived me transplanting it.

buffy said:

OK, I thought I had this one ID’d, but I can’t find where I wrote it down, if I wrote it down. Can someone please point me in some sort of direction? It’s from our bush. And I think we decided it was native. This specimen is in the garden here, having survived me transplanting it.

At a guess, Haloragaceae. Haloragis or Gonocarpus (Raspworts).

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

OK, I thought I had this one ID’d, but I can’t find where I wrote it down, if I wrote it down. Can someone please point me in some sort of direction? It’s from our bush. And I think we decided it was native. This specimen is in the garden here, having survived me transplanting it.

At a guess, Haloragaceae. Haloragis or Gonocarpus (Raspworts).

Thank you, I’ll do some more looking.

It keys out to Haloragis eichleri on Flora of Victoria:

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/17dba3dc-ba3f-443b-ac40-442b6797d681

Says Portland only, but our bush is about 60km from there. So possible. It doesn’t key to anything for this area as Gonocarpus. Leaves are definitely opposite, which reduces the possibilities quite quickly on the key. Also being small.

buffy said:

It keys out to Haloragis eichleri on Flora of Victoria:

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/17dba3dc-ba3f-443b-ac40-442b6797d681

Says Portland only, but our bush is about 60km from there. So possible. It doesn’t key to anything for this area as Gonocarpus. Leaves are definitely opposite, which reduces the possibilities quite quickly on the key. Also being small.

Keep an eye on it as it matures. If Haloragis eichleri then the Herbarium would be most interested.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

It keys out to Haloragis eichleri on Flora of Victoria:

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/17dba3dc-ba3f-443b-ac40-442b6797d681

Says Portland only, but our bush is about 60km from there. So possible. It doesn’t key to anything for this area as Gonocarpus. Leaves are definitely opposite, which reduces the possibilities quite quickly on the key. Also being small.

Keep an eye on it as it matures. If Haloragis eichleri then the Herbarium would be most interested.

Yes, I saw it’s classification. I just went out and had a look at it again and I think it is making a flower. (It’s quite a small plant). I’ll have a go at photographing that tomorrow so I can see how it fits the flower description.

PF – the Herbarium is covided at the moment and they deal with specimens. But I could use iNaturalist as the entry point and it would get into the system that way, wouldn’t it, via ALA? I think I set up an iNaturalist account when I was doing some fungi stuff, but if I didn’t it is easy enough to do. And they use photos. I assume the Herbarium is all linked in with ALA. (Unless there is some sort of politics in the botany world that I don’t know about)

buffy said:

PF – the Herbarium is covided at the moment and they deal with specimens. But I could use iNaturalist as the entry point and it would get into the system that way, wouldn’t it, via ALA? I think I set up an iNaturalist account when I was doing some fungi stuff, but if I didn’t it is easy enough to do. And they use photos. I assume the Herbarium is all linked in with ALA. (Unless there is some sort of politics in the botany world that I don’t know about)

No you have a while to go yet. They will require mature plants with fully developed flowers and possibly seed, so unless you have more developed plants on your other property, then you haven’t got a lot going for you. Plus they don’t like domestically grown plants as other environment factors like fertiliser, different soils and different watering, etc., can adversely influence the plants growth and development. So going back to your bush block and collect from there is the way to go. With some plants to get a botanically identifiable species, especially for herbarium use and inclusion to their collections can take several trips to get the optimum specimen.

Don’t just send your plant to them if of such rarity, as I can give you the names of some people further up the pecking order to give it the attention it deserves.

Although only a single record for Victoria, it is more plentiful in SA, but even there is not common.

https://bie.ala.org.au/species/https://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2890911#overview

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PF – the Herbarium is covided at the moment and they deal with specimens. But I could use iNaturalist as the entry point and it would get into the system that way, wouldn’t it, via ALA? I think I set up an iNaturalist account when I was doing some fungi stuff, but if I didn’t it is easy enough to do. And they use photos. I assume the Herbarium is all linked in with ALA. (Unless there is some sort of politics in the botany world that I don’t know about)

No you have a while to go yet. They will require mature plants with fully developed flowers and possibly seed, so unless you have more developed plants on your other property, then you haven’t got a lot going for you. Plus they don’t like domestically grown plants as other environment factors like fertiliser, different soils and different watering, etc., can adversely influence the plants growth and development. So going back to your bush block and collect from there is the way to go. With some plants to get a botanically identifiable species, especially for herbarium use and inclusion to their collections can take several trips to get the optimum specimen.

Don’t just send your plant to them if of such rarity, as I can give you the names of some people further up the pecking order to give it the attention it deserves.

Thanks. To be honest, I just dug a few random plants that were going to be in the way of the mowing around the shed (for fire prevention) and brought them home. That one looked pretty rugged, so it came in the bucket. Most of them died, except that, some violets and some Pratia. Today I weeded out that area again and realized it was surviving.

I suppose I should have a look at the herbarium website again and see what their instructions for specimens involve.

I’ve just gone back and tried the key again and it still seems to be the closest. Except the leaves aren’t sessile. Pretty much all the rest seems right. There actually is a couple of flowers on it, when I magnified the photo. I’ll try to get a better one of the flowers (from the front!) tomorrow.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PF – the Herbarium is covided at the moment and they deal with specimens. But I could use iNaturalist as the entry point and it would get into the system that way, wouldn’t it, via ALA? I think I set up an iNaturalist account when I was doing some fungi stuff, but if I didn’t it is easy enough to do. And they use photos. I assume the Herbarium is all linked in with ALA. (Unless there is some sort of politics in the botany world that I don’t know about)

No you have a while to go yet. They will require mature plants with fully developed flowers and possibly seed, so unless you have more developed plants on your other property, then you haven’t got a lot going for you. Plus they don’t like domestically grown plants as other environment factors like fertiliser, different soils and different watering, etc., can adversely influence the plants growth and development. So going back to your bush block and collect from there is the way to go. With some plants to get a botanically identifiable species, especially for herbarium use and inclusion to their collections can take several trips to get the optimum specimen.

Don’t just send your plant to them if of such rarity, as I can give you the names of some people further up the pecking order to give it the attention it deserves.

Thanks. To be honest, I just dug a few random plants that were going to be in the way of the mowing around the shed (for fire prevention) and brought them home. That one looked pretty rugged, so it came in the bucket. Most of them died, except that, some violets and some Pratia. Today I weeded out that area again and realized it was surviving.

I suppose I should have a look at the herbarium website again and see what their instructions for specimens involve.

I’ve just gone back and tried the key again and it still seems to be the closest. Except the leaves aren’t sessile. Pretty much all the rest seems right. There actually is a couple of flowers on it, when I magnified the photo. I’ll try to get a better one of the flowers (from the front!) tomorrow.

I discovered one thought to be extinct, there was great excitement about it, but the truth of the matter was it occurred in the millions, but after fire. It was around for a couple of years then disappeared again awaiting a new fire.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PF – the Herbarium is covided at the moment and they deal with specimens. But I could use iNaturalist as the entry point and it would get into the system that way, wouldn’t it, via ALA? I think I set up an iNaturalist account when I was doing some fungi stuff, but if I didn’t it is easy enough to do. And they use photos. I assume the Herbarium is all linked in with ALA. (Unless there is some sort of politics in the botany world that I don’t know about)

No you have a while to go yet. They will require mature plants with fully developed flowers and possibly seed, so unless you have more developed plants on your other property, then you haven’t got a lot going for you. Plus they don’t like domestically grown plants as other environment factors like fertiliser, different soils and different watering, etc., can adversely influence the plants growth and development. So going back to your bush block and collect from there is the way to go. With some plants to get a botanically identifiable species, especially for herbarium use and inclusion to their collections can take several trips to get the optimum specimen.

Don’t just send your plant to them if of such rarity, as I can give you the names of some people further up the pecking order to give it the attention it deserves.

Thanks. To be honest, I just dug a few random plants that were going to be in the way of the mowing around the shed (for fire prevention) and brought them home. That one looked pretty rugged, so it came in the bucket. Most of them died, except that, some violets and some Pratia. Today I weeded out that area again and realized it was surviving.

I suppose I should have a look at the herbarium website again and see what their instructions for specimens involve.

I’ve just gone back and tried the key again and it still seems to be the closest. Except the leaves aren’t sessile. Pretty much all the rest seems right. There actually is a couple of flowers on it, when I magnified the photo. I’ll try to get a better one of the flowers (from the front!) tomorrow.

An excellent specimen of Haloragis eichleri

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

No you have a while to go yet. They will require mature plants with fully developed flowers and possibly seed, so unless you have more developed plants on your other property, then you haven’t got a lot going for you. Plus they don’t like domestically grown plants as other environment factors like fertiliser, different soils and different watering, etc., can adversely influence the plants growth and development. So going back to your bush block and collect from there is the way to go. With some plants to get a botanically identifiable species, especially for herbarium use and inclusion to their collections can take several trips to get the optimum specimen.

Don’t just send your plant to them if of such rarity, as I can give you the names of some people further up the pecking order to give it the attention it deserves.

Thanks. To be honest, I just dug a few random plants that were going to be in the way of the mowing around the shed (for fire prevention) and brought them home. That one looked pretty rugged, so it came in the bucket. Most of them died, except that, some violets and some Pratia. Today I weeded out that area again and realized it was surviving.

I suppose I should have a look at the herbarium website again and see what their instructions for specimens involve.

I’ve just gone back and tried the key again and it still seems to be the closest. Except the leaves aren’t sessile. Pretty much all the rest seems right. There actually is a couple of flowers on it, when I magnified the photo. I’ll try to get a better one of the flowers (from the front!) tomorrow.

I discovered one thought to be extinct, there was great excitement about it, but the truth of the matter was it occurred in the millions, but after fire. It was around for a couple of years then disappeared again awaiting a new fire.

When I was doing a remnant veg on roadside survey. I was asked if I thought the survey time was long enough. To which my reply was, it could take many years to get an accurate picture.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

No you have a while to go yet. They will require mature plants with fully developed flowers and possibly seed, so unless you have more developed plants on your other property, then you haven’t got a lot going for you. Plus they don’t like domestically grown plants as other environment factors like fertiliser, different soils and different watering, etc., can adversely influence the plants growth and development. So going back to your bush block and collect from there is the way to go. With some plants to get a botanically identifiable species, especially for herbarium use and inclusion to their collections can take several trips to get the optimum specimen.

Don’t just send your plant to them if of such rarity, as I can give you the names of some people further up the pecking order to give it the attention it deserves.

Thanks. To be honest, I just dug a few random plants that were going to be in the way of the mowing around the shed (for fire prevention) and brought them home. That one looked pretty rugged, so it came in the bucket. Most of them died, except that, some violets and some Pratia. Today I weeded out that area again and realized it was surviving.

I suppose I should have a look at the herbarium website again and see what their instructions for specimens involve.

I’ve just gone back and tried the key again and it still seems to be the closest. Except the leaves aren’t sessile. Pretty much all the rest seems right. There actually is a couple of flowers on it, when I magnified the photo. I’ll try to get a better one of the flowers (from the front!) tomorrow.

I discovered one thought to be extinct, there was great excitement about it, but the truth of the matter was it occurred in the millions, but after fire. It was around for a couple of years then disappeared again awaiting a new fire.

I’ve just “joined” iNaturalist. I thought I had already done that because Fungimap uses it now. It seems I hadn’t done that. It must have been NatureShare that I joined a few years ago. I don’t think that one is still running – looking at the website, I can’t see logging in buttons and stuff any more. There are so many citizen science groups now. I’m thinking I might put it onto iNaturalist first (fudging the place and date, because I know when I got it from the block) and just see what happens. Then I can go out to the bush again and see if I can find more of it. It’s almost to the end of flowering season, so I’d better not procrastinate too long. Maybe next week.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Thanks. To be honest, I just dug a few random plants that were going to be in the way of the mowing around the shed (for fire prevention) and brought them home. That one looked pretty rugged, so it came in the bucket. Most of them died, except that, some violets and some Pratia. Today I weeded out that area again and realized it was surviving.

I suppose I should have a look at the herbarium website again and see what their instructions for specimens involve.

I’ve just gone back and tried the key again and it still seems to be the closest. Except the leaves aren’t sessile. Pretty much all the rest seems right. There actually is a couple of flowers on it, when I magnified the photo. I’ll try to get a better one of the flowers (from the front!) tomorrow.

I discovered one thought to be extinct, there was great excitement about it, but the truth of the matter was it occurred in the millions, but after fire. It was around for a couple of years then disappeared again awaiting a new fire.

I’ve just “joined” iNaturalist. I thought I had already done that because Fungimap uses it now. It seems I hadn’t done that. It must have been NatureShare that I joined a few years ago. I don’t think that one is still running – looking at the website, I can’t see logging in buttons and stuff any more. There are so many citizen science groups now. I’m thinking I might put it onto iNaturalist first (fudging the place and date, because I know when I got it from the block) and just see what happens. Then I can go out to the bush again and see if I can find more of it. It’s almost to the end of flowering season, so I’d better not procrastinate too long. Maybe next week.

I wouldn’t send it to them, better just to send it to the Plant ID Section of the Herbarium. But you will still need flowers and seed, which makes it a reasonable time to check your bush block.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

I discovered one thought to be extinct, there was great excitement about it, but the truth of the matter was it occurred in the millions, but after fire. It was around for a couple of years then disappeared again awaiting a new fire.

I’ve just “joined” iNaturalist. I thought I had already done that because Fungimap uses it now. It seems I hadn’t done that. It must have been NatureShare that I joined a few years ago. I don’t think that one is still running – looking at the website, I can’t see logging in buttons and stuff any more. There are so many citizen science groups now. I’m thinking I might put it onto iNaturalist first (fudging the place and date, because I know when I got it from the block) and just see what happens. Then I can go out to the bush again and see if I can find more of it. It’s almost to the end of flowering season, so I’d better not procrastinate too long. Maybe next week.

I wouldn’t send it to them, better just to send it to the Plant ID Section of the Herbarium. But you will still need flowers and seed, which makes it a reasonable time to check your bush block.

The herbarium charges a fee.

https://www.rbg.vic.gov.au/science/herbarium-and-resources/identification-and-information-services/list-of-charges

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

I discovered one thought to be extinct, there was great excitement about it, but the truth of the matter was it occurred in the millions, but after fire. It was around for a couple of years then disappeared again awaiting a new fire.

I’ve just “joined” iNaturalist. I thought I had already done that because Fungimap uses it now. It seems I hadn’t done that. It must have been NatureShare that I joined a few years ago. I don’t think that one is still running – looking at the website, I can’t see logging in buttons and stuff any more. There are so many citizen science groups now. I’m thinking I might put it onto iNaturalist first (fudging the place and date, because I know when I got it from the block) and just see what happens. Then I can go out to the bush again and see if I can find more of it. It’s almost to the end of flowering season, so I’d better not procrastinate too long. Maybe next week.

I wouldn’t send it to them, better just to send it to the Plant ID Section of the Herbarium. But you will still need flowers and seed, which makes it a reasonable time to check your bush block.

Just state what you think it may be. Date of collection and location. You don’t need to go into too much detail.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

I’ve just “joined” iNaturalist. I thought I had already done that because Fungimap uses it now. It seems I hadn’t done that. It must have been NatureShare that I joined a few years ago. I don’t think that one is still running – looking at the website, I can’t see logging in buttons and stuff any more. There are so many citizen science groups now. I’m thinking I might put it onto iNaturalist first (fudging the place and date, because I know when I got it from the block) and just see what happens. Then I can go out to the bush again and see if I can find more of it. It’s almost to the end of flowering season, so I’d better not procrastinate too long. Maybe next week.

I wouldn’t send it to them, better just to send it to the Plant ID Section of the Herbarium. But you will still need flowers and seed, which makes it a reasonable time to check your bush block.

The herbarium charges a fee.

https://www.rbg.vic.gov.au/science/herbarium-and-resources/identification-and-information-services/list-of-charges

If you state that you think it might a rare species (in their interest), then they will usually ignore the fee. Just state if the specimen is Haloragis eichleri, you will collect them a better specimen when available.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

I wouldn’t send it to them, better just to send it to the Plant ID Section of the Herbarium. But you will still need flowers and seed, which makes it a reasonable time to check your bush block.

The herbarium charges a fee.

https://www.rbg.vic.gov.au/science/herbarium-and-resources/identification-and-information-services/list-of-charges

If you state that you think it might a rare species (in their interest), then they will usually ignore the fee. Just state if the specimen is Haloragis eichleri, you will collect them a better specimen when available.

OK. I’ll see how I go with photographing the flower on the one here tomorrow. See if it matches the description.

To be continued.

:)

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

They look fleshy with a lot of moisture in them.
This can stick to some papers and tend to rot things.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

They look fleshy with a lot of moisture in them.
This can stick to some papers and tend to rot things.

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/herbarium/voucher.htm
https://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/getmedia/36d07669-629a-45c1-b39a-66b5961dca48/How-to-collect-plants.pdf.aspx
https://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/Science/Plants/Plant-Information/Preserving-Plant-Specimens

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

They look fleshy with a lot of moisture in them.
This can stick to some papers and tend to rot things.

No, they are quite a dry plant. Not as dry as lavender. But definitely not fleshy. Leaves are somewhat leathery. They will press fine.

And look what I found in my press! These were pressed in October 2006, according to the note I stuck to the outside of the press. The everlastings are impressive in their colour retention. These were pressed between a couple of sheets of waxed paper and padding of butchers paper and newspaper.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

They look fleshy with a lot of moisture in them.
This can stick to some papers and tend to rot things.

No, they are quite a dry plant. Not as dry as lavender. But definitely not fleshy. Leaves are somewhat leathery. They will press fine.

And look what I found in my press! These were pressed in October 2006, according to the note I stuck to the outside of the press. The everlastings are impressive in their colour retention. These were pressed between a couple of sheets of waxed paper and padding of butchers paper and newspaper.

Nice work. 14 years!

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

They look fleshy with a lot of moisture in them.
This can stick to some papers and tend to rot things.

No, they are quite a dry plant. Not as dry as lavender. But definitely not fleshy. Leaves are somewhat leathery. They will press fine.

And look what I found in my press! These were pressed in October 2006, according to the note I stuck to the outside of the press. The everlastings are impressive in their colour retention. These were pressed between a couple of sheets of waxed paper and padding of butchers paper and newspaper.

Beautifully done.

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

Ordinary newspaper and if plant is fleshy change every couple of days until dry.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

Ordinary newspaper and if plant is fleshy change every couple of days until dry.

Fruits 2–4-locular, woody; flowers usually in axillary groups of 3–7 Haloragis
Fruits 1-locular, membranous; flowers usually solitary in axils Gonocarpus

https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=fm&name=HALORAGACEAE

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Flower photograph:

Next question. What paper is recommended to use for pressing a botanical sample? I used to press flowers for making greeting cards. I used waxed paper next to the flowers because the colour was better retained. I found that by trial and error. I think the usual recommendation was for using blotting paper or drawing paper. I read the instructions from the ANBG and they say newspaper. I would prefer not to get the ink on the specimens, myself. I should got and get my press out (a couple of bits of plywood and some clamps), evict the spiders, see what the ancient bits in there look like and get ready for a trip to the bush next week. Or tomorrow. Or something.

https://www.anbg.gov.au/cpbr/herbarium/collecting/collection-procedures.html

Ordinary newspaper and if plant is fleshy change every couple of days until dry.

Fruits 2–4-locular, woody; flowers usually in axillary groups of 3–7 Haloragis
Fruits 1-locular, membranous; flowers usually solitary in axils Gonocarpus

https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=fm&name=HALORAGACEAE

I’m not trained in this stuff. Is my picture buds, flowers? (OK, it was raining. I wasn’t staying out there too long. And the thing is small – I wasn’t lying on the wet ground to photograph either!)

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

Ordinary newspaper and if plant is fleshy change every couple of days until dry.

Fruits 2–4-locular, woody; flowers usually in axillary groups of 3–7 Haloragis
Fruits 1-locular, membranous; flowers usually solitary in axils Gonocarpus

https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=fm&name=HALORAGACEAE

I’m not trained in this stuff. Is my picture buds, flowers? (OK, it was raining. I wasn’t staying out there too long. And the thing is small – I wasn’t lying on the wet ground to photograph either!)

Yes they are buds, but buds turn into flowers so their placement on the plant is the same. From what I can see, the buds (flowers) are singular making it a Gonocarpus, not a Haloragis. To be sure remove one bud/flower and with a razorblade cut across the ovary a little above the petiole and under magnification x10 would be ample, check to see how many compartment there are. If there are more than one then it is a Haloragis, but if there is just one, it belongs in Gonocarpus, in which case you would need to rekey the plant with that genus.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

Fruits 2–4-locular, woody; flowers usually in axillary groups of 3–7 Haloragis
Fruits 1-locular, membranous; flowers usually solitary in axils Gonocarpus

https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=fm&name=HALORAGACEAE

I’m not trained in this stuff. Is my picture buds, flowers? (OK, it was raining. I wasn’t staying out there too long. And the thing is small – I wasn’t lying on the wet ground to photograph either!)

Yes they are buds, but buds turn into flowers so their placement on the plant is the same. From what I can see, the buds (flowers) are singular making it a Gonocarpus, not a Haloragis. To be sure remove one bud/flower and with a razorblade cut across the ovary a little above the petiole and under magnification x10 would be ample, check to see how many compartment there are. If there are more than one then it is a Haloragis, but if there is just one, it belongs in Gonocarpus, in which case you would need to rekey the plant with that genus.

It possibly keys to this in Gonocarpus:

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/8e417dd9-13e9-42ec-b1b2-e73c6f6b3042

I’ll have to wait for the flowers and count the stamens, I guess.

Sorry, changed computer and didn’t change Mr buffy’s login.

Anyway, I’ll wait for the flowers now.

buffy said:

Anyway, I’ll wait for the flowers now.

They might be there already. Check the one on the far right of your photo, looks to be stigma/s poking out and you might even see any undeveloped anthers.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Anyway, I’ll wait for the flowers now.

They might be there already. Check the one on the far right of your photo, looks to be stigma/s poking out and you might even see any undeveloped anthers.

You really shouldn’t feed my obsessions.

:)

This looks like a finished flower – I’ll keep watching for seed.

And I did a closer look at those buds. The things are so small. Great view of my skin and fingernails here:

I’m still deciding whether to drive out to the bush tomorrow. I think I will. I can watch the ones here, but I’d now like to see if there are many of them or not. As I mentioned, I didn’t think much about what to bring back that day a month or so ago. I just grabbed plants at risk from the mower. I would like to gather some grass seed too, because I’m working on oversowing a part of the front garden with “local” grass.