Here’s a shiny new thread.
The other one’s threadbare.
first
Peak Warming Man said:
first
LOL
anyway
we suggest this latest news is another strong recommendation for retrofitting for regional quarantine now, so that we are able to bring back as many stranded citizens as we can as soon as possible
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968
Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
Maybe it is a worry abbout the new strains.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
Jacinda Adern will be furious.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
No different to Brisbane’s lockdown, except ours was only three days.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
Not really.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
Not really.
Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
I have no idea what or where the Peel region is.
Ah, I see it is Mandurah and environs.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
Not really.
some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
buffy said:
Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
fair point, all we had to do was close the borders with CHINA and then the CHINA VIRUS went away while we kept playing with Chile wait
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
Not really.
some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
first
LOL
anyway
we suggest this latest news is another strong recommendation for retrofitting for regional quarantine now, so that we are able to bring back as many stranded citizens as we can as soon as possible
Poor bastards!
Some have been waiting a very long time to come home now.
well that took the better part of the hour but it’s all over
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Not really.
some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.
:)
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Not really.
some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.
Thems are fighting words.
***arches eyebrow, nods assent***
buffy said:
I have no idea what or where the Peel region is.
It is in between Perth and the South West. Mandurah area and surrounds.
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Not really.
some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.
Have you discussed the jab with your doc?
From the ABC update on the WA lockdowns:
Big Bash, Perth Fringe Festival will be cancelled
Gee, the scorchers lose a finals game and the WA Premier is taking it quite seriously.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.Have you discussed the jab with your doc?
Not yet but I’m having treatment for the next week so we’ll have a chat soon.
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Not really.
some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.
Goodonya.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/covid-quarantine-hotel-worker-tests-positive-in-perth-wa/13106968Seems rather a broad stroke for a single case.
Not really.
Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.Goodonya.
+1
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Tamb said:I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.
Goodonya.
+1
Heartily endorse the above statement.
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Not really.
some might argue that there are some old codgers like David Goodall and we’re all going to die anyway so why not let it rip and then we can free all the old codgers
I’ve spent almost 3 years fighting this cancer. I’m not going to die to make room for some snowflake millennial.
:)
Keep punching mate.
sibeen said:
From the ABC update on the WA lockdowns:Big Bash, Perth Fringe Festival will be cancelled
Gee, the scorchers lose a finals game and the WA Premier is taking it quite seriously.
I guess they’ll end up playing in Canberra.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Not really.
Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
It’s prudent.
That new variant is making folks talk about “normal covid” and that I find worrying.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Not really.
Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
They lasted for about 2 or 3 months before the situation returned to normal. This is hoping to last only a week.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
rofl.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
They lasted for about 2 or 3 months before the situation returned to normal. This is hoping to last only a week.
From the news item…this bloke tested negative on 27th, now positive. His timeline is very precise. Quite a different situation than what happened in Melbourne.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
They lasted for about 2 or 3 months before the situation returned to normal. This is hoping to last only a week.
From the news item…this bloke tested negative on 27th, now positive. His timeline is very precise. Quite a different situation than what happened in Melbourne.
I am perfectly happy for a short and sharp lockdown without notice. I think it is the better way.
shrug
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:They lasted for about 2 or 3 months before the situation returned to normal. This is hoping to last only a week.
From the news item…this bloke tested negative on 27th, now positive. His timeline is very precise. Quite a different situation than what happened in Melbourne.
I am perfectly happy for a short and sharp lockdown without notice. I think it is the better way.
shrug
Short & sharp prevents big & long.
Plus our lockdown gave me a reason to wear the masks buffy made me.
Divine Angel said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:From the news item…this bloke tested negative on 27th, now positive. His timeline is very precise. Quite a different situation than what happened in Melbourne.
I am perfectly happy for a short and sharp lockdown without notice. I think it is the better way.
shrug
Short & sharp prevents big & long.
Plus our lockdown gave me a reason to wear the masks buffy made me.
Stylish masks I will bet!
I am still using the pillow cases that you made me buffy!
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
They lasted for about 2 or 3 months before the situation returned to normal. This is hoping to last only a week.
From the news item…this bloke tested negative on 27th, now positive. His timeline is very precise. Quite a different situation than what happened in Melbourne.
I have a ton of folks I know in the US and UK who now have Long Covid – seriously shit – I say go fast, go hard, get it done.
Victoria and France were in the 700s in July 2020. Look at France now. You just don’t want to go there.
And the variants are so much trickier – media folks are talking “normal covid”. ***shivers***
ms spock said:
Divine Angel said:
party_pants said:I am perfectly happy for a short and sharp lockdown without notice. I think it is the better way.
shrug
Short & sharp prevents big & long.
Plus our lockdown gave me a reason to wear the masks buffy made me.
Stylish masks I will bet!
I am still using the pillow cases that you made me buffy!
My goodness, that was a long time ago! I can’t even remember what fabric I used.
buffy said:
ms spock said:
Divine Angel said:Short & sharp prevents big & long.
Plus our lockdown gave me a reason to wear the masks buffy made me.
Stylish masks I will bet!
I am still using the pillow cases that you made me buffy!
My goodness, that was a long time ago! I can’t even remember what fabric I used.
I have smiley faces! I go to bed and I have a little giggle and I have a smiley face!
I LOVE my pillow cases that you made me!
ms spock said:
buffy said:
ms spock said:Stylish masks I will bet!
I am still using the pillow cases that you made me buffy!
My goodness, that was a long time ago! I can’t even remember what fabric I used.
I have smiley faces! I go to bed and I have a little giggle and I have a smiley face!
I LOVE my pillow cases that you made me!
You made me a couple of sets. I have them all. I just prefer the smiley face ones!
How’s the world going?
Daily new cases have been dropping off since the peak on Jan 7.
New deaths is lagging behind, but then you’d expect that.
Down to ‘only’ 600,000 new cases a day.
mollwollfumble said:
How’s the world going?Daily new cases have been dropping off since the peak on Jan 7.
New deaths is lagging behind, but then you’d expect that.
Down to ‘only’ 600,000 new cases a day.
Looks like it’s peaked.
ABC News:
‘States react to WA coronavirus case, Queensland declares Metropolitan Perth, Peel and South West region a hotspot’
How the turntables.
Our to to point, jeer, laugh, and feel smug.
‘Our turn to point, jeer…’
I imagine that this will keep Boris away for a bit longer.
sibeen said:
I imagine that this will keep Boris away for a bit longer.
In your dreams.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
I imagine that this will keep Boris away for a bit longer.
In your dreams.
*inserts heart emoticon.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
I imagine that this will keep Boris away for a bit longer.
In your dreams.
HE’S BACK!
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Yes, really. Including the South West for a single case in Perth?
Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
LOL, no idea. Just about all of the WA population live in Metro, Peel and the SW. 17 points of contact in Perth. People travel from the regions to shop and visit a lot. It is good that we have this lockdown.
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Nah. it is the only way to nip it in the bud. You can’t “wait and see”, especially with this new Pommy variant of the disease, which spreads simply by moaning about the EU.
I don’t agree. Victoria managed rather well with ring fencing just Melbourne. WA is way bigger and sparser than here.
LOL, no idea. Just about all of the WA population live in Metro, Peel and the SW. 17 points of contact in Perth. People travel from the regions to shop and visit a lot. It is good that we have this lockdown.
True.
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
I imagine that this will keep Boris away for a bit longer.
In your dreams.
HE’S BACK!
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
I imagine that this will keep Boris away for a bit longer.
In your dreams.
Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate.
From Boris, in the chat thread.
I had lived in New York for only four months when I started feeling tired and achy, and lost my sense of smell and taste. I suspected I had coronavirus, so I boarded a plane for Sydney.
roughbarked said:
I had lived in New York for only four months when I started feeling tired and achy, and lost my sense of smell and taste. I suspected I had coronavirus, so I boarded a plane for Sydney.
When she picked me up, we both wore gloves and masks and we didn’t hug.
As soon as I arrived home I had a shower and then basically stayed in my bedroom for two weeks while my mum brought food to my door. I sprayed down everything after I used it.
—
well at least the anonymous author tried to prevent ongoing spread
Mr Barilaro said he “felt for citizens going into lockdown” but that the case had shown “WA’s hard border lockdown has proved pointless”.
On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney’s hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.
Mr McGowan quickly returned serve, saying if he was “unkind” he would say that NSW should receive a bill “for the Ruby Princess and all the trauma that caused all the other states”.
SCIENCE said:
More Than A Gutful: NSW Deputy Premier brands WA’s as ‘pointless’ following evidence that dickheads around the world refuse to cooperate and kill off virus
Mr Barilaro said he “felt for citizens going into lockdown” but that the case had shown “WA’s hard border lockdown has proved pointless”.
On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney’s hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.
Mr McGowan quickly returned serve, saying if he was “unkind” he would say that NSW should receive a bill “for the Ruby Princess and all the trauma that caused all the other states”.
SCIENCE said:
More Than A Gutful: NSW Deputy Premier brands WA’s as ‘pointless’ following evidence that dickheads around the world refuse to cooperate and kill off virus
Mr Barilaro said he “felt for citizens going into lockdown” but that the case had shown “WA’s hard border lockdown has proved pointless”.
On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney’s hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.
Mr McGowan quickly returned serve, saying if he was “unkind” he would say that NSW should receive a bill “for the Ruby Princess and all the trauma that caused all the other states”.
We should follow the SCIENCE as long as it would stop making shit up.
McGowan, Pork Barilaro etc.. lolz
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere in the news items, but I’m assuming there actually was a hotel guest at the quarantine hotel that the guard bloke could catch it from. If not, it’s a whole messier bucket of fish, because he must have got it not from work.
buffy said:
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere in the news items, but I’m assuming there actually was a hotel guest at the quarantine hotel that the guard bloke could catch it from. If not, it’s a whole messier bucket of fish, because he must have got it not from work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpwjAPIHuBU&feature=emb_title
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere in the news items, but I’m assuming there actually was a hotel guest at the quarantine hotel that the guard bloke could catch it from. If not, it’s a whole messier bucket of fish, because he must have got it not from work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpwjAPIHuBU&feature=emb_title
Have you got anything that’s not a video? No speakers here.
SCIENCE said:
More Than A Gutful: NSW Deputy Premier brands WA’s as ‘pointless’ following evidence that dickheads around the world refuse to cooperate and kill off virus
Mr Barilaro said he “felt for citizens going into lockdown” but that the case had shown “WA’s hard border lockdown has proved pointless”.
On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney’s hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.
Mr McGowan quickly returned serve, saying if he was “unkind” he would say that NSW should receive a bill “for the Ruby Princess and all the trauma that caused all the other states”.
Barilaro should keep his nose out of it.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere in the news items, but I’m assuming there actually was a hotel guest at the quarantine hotel that the guard bloke could catch it from. If not, it’s a whole messier bucket of fish, because he must have got it not from work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpwjAPIHuBU&feature=emb_title
Have you got anything that’s not a video? No speakers here.
The infection is still being investigated. They aren’t sure where he got it from though he was working on the floor where a UK new variant positive case was.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpwjAPIHuBU&feature=emb_title
Have you got anything that’s not a video? No speakers here.
The infection is still being investigated. They aren’t sure where he got it from though he was working on the floor where a UK new variant positive case was.
Where did you read that?
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:Have you got anything that’s not a video? No speakers here.
The infection is still being investigated. They aren’t sure where he got it from though he was working on the floor where a UK new variant positive case was.
Where did you read that?
it takes 3 days to sequence for variants
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:Have you got anything that’s not a video? No speakers here.
The infection is still being investigated. They aren’t sure where he got it from though he was working on the floor where a UK new variant positive case was.
Where did you read that?
I got it from the video.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:The infection is still being investigated. They aren’t sure where he got it from though he was working on the floor where a UK new variant positive case was.
Where did you read that?
it takes 3 days to sequence for variants
Yes.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
More Than A Gutful: NSW Deputy Premier brands WA’s as ‘pointless’ following evidence that dickheads around the world refuse to cooperate and kill off virus
Mr Barilaro said he “felt for citizens going into lockdown” but that the case had shown “WA’s hard border lockdown has proved pointless”.
On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney’s hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.
Mr McGowan quickly returned serve, saying if he was “unkind” he would say that NSW should receive a bill “for the Ruby Princess and all the trauma that caused all the other states”.
Barilaro should keep his nose out of it.
I fear I must publicly declare Mr Barilaro to be a bit of a fuckwit.
I think 1 case in 10 months is proof enough that the hard border system works, given the alternative is uncontrolled exponential growth as seen in Italy, Spain, France, USA, UK etc.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
More Than A Gutful: NSW Deputy Premier brands WA’s as ‘pointless’ following evidence that dickheads around the world refuse to cooperate and kill off virus
Mr Barilaro said he “felt for citizens going into lockdown” but that the case had shown “WA’s hard border lockdown has proved pointless”.
On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney’s hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.
Mr McGowan quickly returned serve, saying if he was “unkind” he would say that NSW should receive a bill “for the Ruby Princess and all the trauma that caused all the other states”.
Barilaro should keep his nose out of it.
I fear I must publicly declare Mr Barilaro to be a bit of a fuckwit.
I think 1 case in 10 months is proof enough that the hard border system works, given the alternative is uncontrolled exponential growth as seen in Italy, Spain, France, USA, UK etc.
I think he is a big fuckwit mafioso creep.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:The infection is still being investigated. They aren’t sure where he got it from though he was working on the floor where a UK new variant positive case was.
Where did you read that?
it takes 3 days to sequence for variants
Not sure that comment is relevent. I was wanting to know if the particular hotel he was working at had any positive cases. As far as I can tell from the general news, it wasn’t a medical hotel, so all returned travellers could have been negative testers.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Where did you read that?
it takes 3 days to sequence for variants
Not sure that comment is relevent. I was wanting to know if the particular hotel he was working at had any positive cases. As far as I can tell from the general news, it wasn’t a medical hotel, so all returned travellers could have been negative testers.
It was mentioned here yesterday. He worked at the Sheraton Perth, which is one of the quarantine hotels, and had 4 cases of Covids. 2 were UK variant, 1 was the Sarth Efrickan one and the other wasn’t mentioned These 4 were all overseas travellers..
party_pants said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:it takes 3 days to sequence for variants
Not sure that comment is relevent. I was wanting to know if the particular hotel he was working at had any positive cases. As far as I can tell from the general news, it wasn’t a medical hotel, so all returned travellers could have been negative testers.
It was mentioned here yesterday. He worked at the Sheraton Perth, which is one of the quarantine hotels, and had 4 cases of Covids. 2 were UK variant, 1 was the Sarth Efrickan one and the other wasn’t mentioned These 4 were all overseas travellers..
Ta. But I haven’t seen it in any of the news items. And were they all there at the moment or is that just the tally for that hotel over time?
party_pants said:
buffy said:SCIENCE said:buffy said:roughbarked said:The infection is still being investigated. They aren’t sure where he got it from though he was working on the floor where a UK new variant positive case was.
Where did you read that?
it takes 3 days to sequence for variants
Not sure that comment is relevent. I was wanting to know if the particular hotel he was working at had any positive cases. As far as I can tell from the general news, it wasn’t a medical hotel, so all returned travellers could have been negative testers.
It was mentioned here yesterday. He worked at the Sheraton Perth, which is one of the quarantine hotels, and had 4 cases of Covids. 2 were UK variant, 1 was the Sarth Efrickan one and the other wasn’t mentioned These 4 were all overseas travellers..
and identifying variants is part of an investigation and helps tracing so probably relevant
but yes it’s mentioned in the video, they don’t have a transcript up though
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Not sure that comment is relevent. I was wanting to know if the particular hotel he was working at had any positive cases. As far as I can tell from the general news, it wasn’t a medical hotel, so all returned travellers could have been negative testers.
It was mentioned here yesterday. He worked at the Sheraton Perth, which is one of the quarantine hotels, and had 4 cases of Covids. 2 were UK variant, 1 was the Sarth Efrickan one and the other wasn’t mentioned These 4 were all overseas travellers..
Ta. But I haven’t seen it in any of the news items. And were they all there at the moment or is that just the tally for that hotel over time?
The video you couldn’t listen to said he worked on the same floor as the UK variant and genome sequencing won’t be ready before Tuesday.
Found it in a couple of newspaper articles. Nothing in any of the ABC or SBS news items that I can see. Don’t positive testers get moved to medical hotels in WA? I’m pretty sure they do here in Victoria (going by the news items about those tennis players).
roughbarked said:
The video you couldn’t listen to said he worked on the same floor as the UK variant and genome sequencing won’t be ready before Tuesday.
hear here
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Not sure that comment is relevent. I was wanting to know if the particular hotel he was working at had any positive cases. As far as I can tell from the general news, it wasn’t a medical hotel, so all returned travellers could have been negative testers.
It was mentioned here yesterday. He worked at the Sheraton Perth, which is one of the quarantine hotels, and had 4 cases of Covids. 2 were UK variant, 1 was the Sarth Efrickan one and the other wasn’t mentioned These 4 were all overseas travellers..
Ta. But I haven’t seen it in any of the news items. And were they all there at the moment or is that just the tally for that hotel over time?
Now I can’t those exact details. At least one of them was in quarantine with the UK variant on the floor of the hotel where the guard was working. The list of 4 cases was the total number for all of WA I presume. Whether they were all in the same hotel I don’t know, even if they were it is unlikely they were all on the same floor.
So it is presume the security guard somehow came into contact with the UK strain while at work.
SCIENCE said:
Success: Snow Really Is White
And the other 13%? Martians?
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Success: Snow Really Is White
And the other 13%? Martians?
Well at least we know they don’t live there.
The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”
That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.
news.yahoo.com/amphtml/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html
He should run for Congress
dv said:
The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.
news.yahoo.com/amphtml/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html
He should run for Congress
It’s a wonder he feels safe using such electronic gear, really.
buffy said:
dv said:
The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.
news.yahoo.com/amphtml/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html
He should run for Congress
It’s a wonder he feels safe using such electronic gear, really.
Prolly does it under an alfoil hat.
It is a problem though if the sky occludes God.
How does the poor man expect to communicate with god if the sky stops his iPhone from connecting?
dv said:
The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.
news.yahoo.com/amphtml/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html
He should run for Congress
He seems just about unemployable elsewhere.
How he pass his exams to become a pharmacist is a matter of great mystery to me.
Do you know that wheelie bin pick up trucks can only pick up from one side.
So what that tells me is that if the US and some European countries have to fall in with progressive countries like Australia, the UK, Japan, New Zealand etc they are going to have to modify all their wheelie bin pickup trucks.
Peak Warming Man said:
Do you know that wheelie bin pick up trucks can only pick up from one side.
So what that tells me is that if the US and some European countries have to fall in with progressive countries like Australia, the UK, Japan, New Zealand etc they are going to have to modify all their wheelie bin pickup trucks.
PWM: real news, real topics, all the time.
SCIENCE said:
Turns Out Rwanda Is Less Of A Shithole Country Than Australia
New analysis has found that New Zealand has handled the coronavirus pandemic more effectively than any other country in the world.
The United States has been ravaged by the pandemic and languishes near the bottom of the table, at number 94. Indonesia and India did not perform much better, sitting at numbers 85 and 86, respectively.
Lowy did not rate West Taiwan’s response to the pandemic independently, citing a lack of publicly available testing data and making a conflation with the Mainland.
There was also plenty of regression to the mean painted as a specific pattern.
Mr Lemahieu said the countries at the top of the list included liberal democracies, authoritarian and hybrid regimes, but all enjoyed the benefits of effective institutions.
remember this little fun one, and the one that followed
So when the Lowy Institute released its analysis of the countries with the most effective pandemic response, some were surprised to see Australia scraping into the top 10 at number eight.
(seriously look at their charts there and tell us whether it looks like they’re doing better or not)
—
well right from the bat’s mouth https://interactives.lowyinstitute.org/features/covid-performance/#country-compare let’s have a squiz
oh guess we’re not 8th after all, we’re 1st, except we’d be 2nd if WEST TAIWAN were actually counted as a sovereign country but why would we count that when we could be 1st right
Peak Warming Man said:
Do you know that wheelie bin pick up trucks can only pick up from one side.
So what that tells me is that if the US and some European countries have to fall in with progressive countries like Australia, the UK, Japan, New Zealand etc they are going to have to modify all their wheelie bin pickup trucks.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-28/bin-isolation-outing-viral-facebook-group-shut-down/13098578
This week, Ms Askew’s efforts were celebrated with a Community Project of the Year award by Fraser Coast Regional Council — but not before she made the decision to archive the group.
“Ninety per cent of people were beautiful, kind, uplifting,” Ms Askew said.
“But that 10 per cent of keyboard warriors who, from their own home, thought it’s okay to belittle and bully people.
“We really found it emotionally draining to have these people being mean.
“We just eventually decided it had run its course and archived it so people can still look at the posts and all the memories.”
“It’s very difficult,” Dr Chugh said, “and all of this is pro bono work”.
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also
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/sunshine-coast-council-tech-waste-system-delayed/13105094
Sunshine Coast Council has spent more than $20 million on a futuristic waste system for its new city centre but has been forced to put the project on hold because no-one in Australia is allowed to turn it on.
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Do you know that wheelie bin pick up trucks can only pick up from one side.
So what that tells me is that if the US and some European countries have to fall in with progressive countries like Australia, the UK, Japan, New Zealand etc they are going to have to modify all their wheelie bin pickup trucks.
PWM: real news, real topics, all the time.
… we mean, they could just drive it in reverse …
party_pants said:
dv said:
The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.
news.yahoo.com/amphtml/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html
He should run for Congress
He seems just about unemployable elsewhere.
How he pass his exams to become a pharmacist is a matter of great mystery to me.
None of those things would have been on the exam..
poikilotherm said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.
news.yahoo.com/amphtml/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html
He should run for Congress
He seems just about unemployable elsewhere.
How he pass his exams to become a pharmacist is a matter of great mystery to me.
None of those things would have been on the exam..
I wonder what other illness/disease he thinks aren’t real
Cymek said:
poikilotherm said:
party_pants said:He seems just about unemployable elsewhere.
How he pass his exams to become a pharmacist is a matter of great mystery to me.
None of those things would have been on the exam..
I wonder what other illness/disease he thinks aren’t real
so there’s no ethics component that’s what we(1,1,1)’re saying
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
poikilotherm said:None of those things would have been on the exam..
I wonder what other illness/disease he thinks aren’t real
so there’s no ethics component that’s what we(1,1,1)’re saying
no, there is in some and not others. Depends.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:I wonder what other illness/disease he thinks aren’t real
so there’s no ethics component that’s what we(1,1,1)’re saying
no, there is in some and not others. Depends.
considering that a pharmacist can refuse to sell birth control because they believe that a woman’s body can ‘choose to have a baby or not’ I dare say the exam isn’t too much more than ‘dose for this’, ‘too much of that will probably kill someone – do not try on too many people’ type stuff.
Arts said:
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:so there’s no ethics component that’s what we(1,1,1)’re saying
no, there is in some and not others. Depends.
considering that a pharmacist can refuse to sell birth control because they believe that a woman’s body can ‘choose to have a baby or not’ I dare say the exam isn’t too much more than ‘dose for this’, ‘too much of that will probably kill someone – do not try on too many people’ type stuff.
A doctor can refuse to prescribe etc as well depending on their beliefs. Doesn’t reflect what’s in the exams.
COVID-19 pandemic in the State of Palestine, COVID-19 vaccination in Israel
Israel agrees to transfer 5,000 doses of COVID-19 vaccine to the Palestinians to immunize frontline medical workers. (BBC)
I wonder if that might help some start some sort of peace process
poikilotherm said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.
news.yahoo.com/amphtml/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-193736813.html
He should run for Congress
He seems just about unemployable elsewhere.
How he pass his exams to become a pharmacist is a matter of great mystery to me.
None of those things would have been on the exam..
You are thinking of the Australian exam. He did the American one…
I’m reading the news.
From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!
They are still testing in WA
Hospitals and airports that I am aware of as Mrs Cymek has been working 7 days a week for a while now
Cymek said:
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!They are still testing in WA
Hospitals and airports that I am aware of as Mrs Cymek has been working 7 days a week for a while now
Oh I understand that. But here it has been wound back, so I would expect it to be so there too. Hospitals and airports are obviously still going to be going. But the suburban drive throughs and stuff wouldn’t have had a lot of work and would be like ours, reduced hours and probably reduced places too. Indeed the news yesterday had mentions of having to wind things back up again quickly.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!They are still testing in WA
Hospitals and airports that I am aware of as Mrs Cymek has been working 7 days a week for a while now
Oh I understand that. But here it has been wound back, so I would expect it to be so there too. Hospitals and airports are obviously still going to be going. But the suburban drive throughs and stuff wouldn’t have had a lot of work and would be like ours, reduced hours and probably reduced places too. Indeed the news yesterday had mentions of having to wind things back up again quickly.
Yes Mrs Cymek did a 15 hour shift yesterday
They transferred the testers to RPH
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!
The recommendation here is if you have flu like symptoms NOT to visit the GP first.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!The recommendation here is if you have flu like symptoms NOT to visit the GP first.
Aye, they are saying step 1 is to get tested for C19
He realistically could have gotten tested the same day he called in sick, it may just have been less convenient than before.
Communication breakdown and perhaps stupidity
so it seems we’re saying that despite some things that could have been done better, overall WA really have planned this out better than VIC did 6 months ago, as they should given the time they had to prepare
dv said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!The recommendation here is if you have flu like symptoms NOT to visit the GP first.
Aye, they are saying step 1 is to get tested for C19
There is a big poster on the door of my GP in the shape of a stop sign that says DO NOT ENTER if you have the following symptoms… followed by a list.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!They are still testing in WA
Hospitals and airports that I am aware of as Mrs Cymek has been working 7 days a week for a while now
Oh I understand that. But here it has been wound back, so I would expect it to be so there too. Hospitals and airports are obviously still going to be going. But the suburban drive throughs and stuff wouldn’t have had a lot of work and would be like ours, reduced hours and probably reduced places too. Indeed the news yesterday had mentions of having to wind things back up again quickly.
903 had numerous tests in the week leading up, I assumed that this was part of his work at the hotel.. but it has just been confirmed that it is the mutant strain.. so he should be getting superpowers shortly
party_pants said:
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!The recommendation here is if you have flu like symptoms NOT to visit the GP first.
Can’t get through GP’s front door here before ye answer these questions three.
A 41-year-old man has been arrested, charged and refused bail after failing to comply with a lawful direction to wear a face mask in public today, Monday 1 February 2021.
The man was located outside a shopping centre on Great Eastern Highway, Midland, which is within the Perth Metropolitan COVID lockdown area. At the time the man was not wearing a face mask. Police engaged with the man and directed him to wear a face mask. The man was offered a free face mask by the officers.
It will be alleged the man refused to wear the mask he was offered, and was subsequently arrested. It will be further alleged the man refused to provide police with his full name and identifying information.
A 41-year-old man from Ellenbrook has been charged with ‘Failed to comply with a direction’ and ‘Fail to comply with request to give police personal details’. He was refused bail and appeared in the Perth Magistrates Court today, Monday 1 February 2021. He was refused court bail and is next due to appear in the Midland Magistrates Court on Friday 19 February 2021.
A WA Police Force spokesperson said the initial interaction with the man was to ensure he was aware of the requirement to wear a face mask.
“The initial approach by the officers was simply to engage with the man and ensure he was aware there is a legal requirement to wear a face mask in public. When it was established he did not have a face mask, he was offered one for free by the officers to assist him comply with the legal requirement. At that stage there was no intention to arrest or charge the man.
“However, once it was confirmed the man was aware of the legal requirement, had the ability to now comply with that legal requirement, and that he continued to fail to comply the with direction, the officers acted in the best interest of the community and arrested him.
“Everyone in the community has a shared responsibility to prevent the spread of the COVID virus, and while police officers will operate under a ‘compliance with compassion’ approach, where the is a clear case of a person failing to comply with the direction, police will act to protect the community.”
word from my friend who is doing testing is that ‘lockdown will last longer than a week’. so I don’t know what they know.. but that seems to be the rumour from the front line
Arts said:
word from my friend who is doing testing is that ‘lockdown will last longer than a week’. so I don’t know what they know.. but that seems to be the rumour from the front line
I’ll have to limit myself to one shit per week.
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
word from my friend who is doing testing is that ‘lockdown will last longer than a week’. so I don’t know what they know.. but that seems to be the rumour from the front lineI’ll have to limit myself to one shit per week.
You could use one of these perhaps.
few days old but sure
Arts said:
word from my friend who is doing testing is that ‘lockdown will last longer than a week’. so I don’t know what they know.. but that seems to be the rumour from the front line
Today’s zero cases is already looking like tomorrow’s many?
buffy said:
I’m reading the news.From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-after-five-day-lockdown-begins/13107976
>>Authorities say the guard worked at the quarantine hotel on Tuesday and Wednesday last week before calling in sick with symptoms on Thursday.
But rather than going to a COVID testing clinic, he went to a GP on Friday afternoon, when he was advised to attend a COVID -19 clinic.
He did not do that until the next day, on Saturday.<<
Let’s break that down. I don’t know what the recommendations are in WA, but in Vic, it’s go to GP or clinic. So…make appointment for GP. Couldn’t get one until next day. GP clinic said you need COVID testing place. Testing places were, I suspect, wound right down in WA because of no cases for months. So entirely possible couldn’t attend one until Saturday. Probably should have mentioned work situation when booking at GP, maybe did and still couldn’t get in. Perhaps I’m just country oriented where getting GP appointment can take days. Maybe in city it’s easier. I’d be curious to know what he was told by his employer when he called in sick too. I’d have thought the employer would have made a pretty definite “suggestion” about getting medical help. Or even, and here is a novel idea, suggested that as they have testing of staff anyway, asked him to pop in for an in house test.
Pronto!
Yeppers!
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
I’m not in the first tranche. I think Mr buffy and I fit into 2B. Or something. And then it will depend on what happens out here in the regions.
buffy said:
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
I’m not in the first tranche. I think Mr buffy and I fit into 2B. Or something. And then it will depend on what happens out here in the regions.
Oh, and I expect I will have to have it if I want to visit Mum in the nursing home. We already have to prove we have had flu vax. But when that sort of thing might be brought in is anyone’s guess. We are not planning any trips to Melbourne until at least March anyway, because we are still in fire season. Although at the rate I have to keep mowing the grass, and the fact that it is still green at the beginning of February, this is not the Summer I thought it might be. I’m quite happy with cool nights and not very hot days. We haven’t had a 40 yet.
(I may regret saying that…you just watch. We’ll get three weeks of high temps now, just to spite me)
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
yep. working with oldies i’ll probably be in the first lot.
I don’t think they’ll recommend seriously ill people to get the job at a guess … from some of the outcomes being documented in Northern Europe
jab*
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
Can I have a Pfizer please?
>>We already have to prove we have had flu vax
Was that a requirement before Covid?
Peak Warming Man said:
>>We already have to prove we have had flu vaxWas that a requirement before Covid?
No. But it probably should have been.
sarahs mum said:
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
Can I have a Pfizer please?
sarahs mum said:
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
Can I have a Pfizer please?
could i have a spritzer with that?
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
Yes, but I’m bottom of the list.
We have no real urgency for the vaccine and it wont do us much good anyway until the world gets better.
We could tell BIG pharma to give our allocation of vaccines to those in more need for verily those who would be last shall be first.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
Can I have a Pfizer please?
Why Pfizer?
Has better efficacy so far and not mates with scummo is my guess.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
monkey skipper said:
So… are you lot gonna line up to get the vaccination for covid once approved for use in Australia?
Can I have a Pfizer please?
Why Pfizer?
I like the look of it. It’s pretty. And it’s got good stats for older people like me. I’m not so much into the a bit better than 50 / 50.
Peak Warming Man said:
We have no real urgency for the vaccine and it wont do us much good anyway until the world gets better.
We could tell BIG pharma to give our allocation of vaccines to those in more need for verily those who would be last shall be first.
foff.
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:Can I have a Pfizer please?
Why Pfizer?Has better efficacy so far and not mates with scummo is my guess.
So who gets the 65% product and who gets the 95% products. I understand investing in the 65% product. I’m not sure I am so keen on it now.
sarahs mum said:
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Why Pfizer?
Has better efficacy so far and not mates with scummo is my guess.
So who gets the 65% product and who gets the 95% products. I understand investing in the 65% product. I’m not sure I am so keen on it now.
95% goes to the first phase predominantly , so front line workers , aged . There’ll be some left over if the last numbers I’d read are to be believed, the 65% will be to the general population, everyone not at high risk of death, mostly in phase 2 if I’m remembering correctly.
Phase 1a 95% , phase 1b leftovers + 65% , all other phases 65%.
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:
poikilotherm said:Has better efficacy so far and not mates with scummo is my guess.
So who gets the 65% product and who gets the 95% products. I understand investing in the 65% product. I’m not sure I am so keen on it now.
95% goes to the first phase predominantly , so front line workers , aged . There’ll be some left over if the last numbers I’d read are to be believed, the 65% will be to the general population, everyone not at high risk of death, mostly in phase 2 if I’m remembering correctly.
I’d like the Pfizer.
I’m pretty sure a lot of people who in normal circumstances travel for work would like it too. And all the people like my sister who want to travel again desperately.
I was reading here somewhere that the Astazeneca and old farts have dubious results. And I reckon I am pretty much a borderline old fart these days.
sarahs mum said:
I was reading here somewhere that the Astazeneca and old farts have dubious results. And I reckon I am pretty much a borderline old fart these days.
Elderly generally have a poorer response to vaccines , there was talk of two doses of flu vaccine for them a year or two ago..
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:
I was reading here somewhere that the Astazeneca and old farts have dubious results. And I reckon I am pretty much a borderline old fart these days.
Elderly generally have a poorer response to vaccines , there was talk of two doses of flu vaccine for them a year or two ago..
But the Pfizer and the other 95%er have less side effects and better results
sarahs mum said:
I was reading here somewhere that the Astazeneca and old farts have dubious results. And I reckon I am pretty much a borderline old fart these days.
The third one is expected to be approved by mid year. Can’t recall the name of it.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
I was reading here somewhere that the Astazeneca and old farts have dubious results. And I reckon I am pretty much a borderline old fart these days.
The third one is expected to be approved by mid year. Can’t recall the name of it.
The Astrazeneca doesn’t need to be get ridiculously cold so you could start by sending that out to places without ridiculously cold cold facilities.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
I was reading here somewhere that the Astazeneca and old farts have dubious results. And I reckon I am pretty much a borderline old fart these days.
The third one is expected to be approved by mid year. Can’t recall the name of it.
The Astrazeneca doesn’t need to be get ridiculously cold so you could start by sending that out to places without ridiculously cold cold facilities.
Yes. This new one is not the cold storage type either. It is similar to the A-z one (works the same way) but is said to be more effective.
dv said:
That is funny.
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:
I was reading here somewhere that the Astazeneca and old farts have dubious results. And I reckon I am pretty much a borderline old fart these days.
Elderly generally have a poorer response to vaccines , there was talk of two doses of flu vaccine for them a year or two ago..
They just need a Vit D boost with the vaccine…
In my junk email.
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Aha, we knew it, Mark was the one who leaked the case from quarantine just to create an election crisis ¡ It’s All Mark’s Fault
—
Announcing a five-day lockdown after a hotel quarantine security guard tested positive for COVID-19, McGowan said he’d be suspending political campaigning (election writs are issued on Wednesday, with the government entering caretaker period) and put the guilts on Kirkup for even thinking about electioneering.
Scott Morrison reads from a teleprompter at the National Press Club. Laura Tingle sits behind him.
Scott Morrison speaking at the National Press Club ahead of the 2021 parliamentary year.(ABC News: Matt Roberts)
Of course, suspension of the campaign mustn’t stop the Premier’s “essential work”, McGowan asserted.
“I have to communicate,” the Premier told reporters. “There’s essential work which is an exemption, and me communicating essential messages is important.
“I will leave it for the Opposition to determine what they do, but we will be suspending our campaign, I don’t think people want political campaigning, at least for the next five days.”
SCIENCE said:
Aha, we knew it, Mark was the one who leaked the case from quarantine just to create an election crisis ¡ It’s All Mark’s Fault—
Announcing a five-day lockdown after a hotel quarantine security guard tested positive for COVID-19, McGowan said he’d be suspending political campaigning (election writs are issued on Wednesday, with the government entering caretaker period) and put the guilts on Kirkup for even thinking about electioneering.
Scott Morrison reads from a teleprompter at the National Press Club. Laura Tingle sits behind him.
Scott Morrison speaking at the National Press Club ahead of the 2021 parliamentary year.(ABC News: Matt Roberts)
Of course, suspension of the campaign mustn’t stop the Premier’s “essential work”, McGowan asserted.“I have to communicate,” the Premier told reporters. “There’s essential work which is an exemption, and me communicating essential messages is important.
“I will leave it for the Opposition to determine what they do, but we will be suspending our campaign, I don’t think people want political campaigning, at least for the next five days.”
Yhere could be those who believe that.
No sign yet of the WA numbers for yesterday’s testing? I’m hoping for everyone’s sake the bloke wasn’t a false positive test. But the alternative is that more positives are found. It’s a bit of a bind.
buffy said:
No sign yet of the WA numbers for yesterday’s testing? I’m hoping for everyone’s sake the bloke wasn’t a false positive test. But the alternative is that more positives are found. It’s a bit of a bind.
Mrs Cymek said people went into panic mode and went for testing even if they walked past the places in question or knew people who went there outside the times visited
buffy said:
No sign yet of the WA numbers for yesterday’s testing? I’m hoping for everyone’s sake the bloke wasn’t a false positive test. But the alternative is that more positives are found. It’s a bit of a bind.
Donut fir yesterday.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
No sign yet of the WA numbers for yesterday’s testing? I’m hoping for everyone’s sake the bloke wasn’t a false positive test. But the alternative is that more positives are found. It’s a bit of a bind.Donut fir yesterday.
I think for every doughnut day, someone should hand out free doughnuts.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
No sign yet of the WA numbers for yesterday’s testing? I’m hoping for everyone’s sake the bloke wasn’t a false positive test. But the alternative is that more positives are found. It’s a bit of a bind.Donut fir yesterday.
Do you mean Day One, or Day Two…which is, I think, what is being waited on.
According to the ABC site, Mark McGowan is about to speak.
meanwhile 30 homes have been lost in a bushfire
buffy said:
According to the ABC site, Mark McGowan is about to speak.
11.30.
Arts said:
meanwhile 30 homes have been lost in a bushfire
WA’s copping it from all sides :(
Arts said:
meanwhile 30 homes have been lost in a bushfire
I saw this morning that there were some, but no number at that time.
buffy said:
Arts said:
meanwhile 30 homes have been lost in a bushfireI saw this morning that there were some, but no number at that time.
to be fair. the more conservative headline says “up to 30 homes believed to be damaged or destroyed”.
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:
meanwhile 30 homes have been lost in a bushfireI saw this morning that there were some, but no number at that time.
to be fair. the more conservative headline says “up to 30 homes believed to be damaged or destroyed”.
Yes. A couple of pictures in the ABC report.
Something I noticed just about myself is permanent mask wearing whilst at work means I am eating less, its only two days so far
I wonder if that is something other people do as well, eat less as you have to take the mask off, eat and then replace it plus you might be worried someone will notice and reprimand you.
Cymek said:
Something I noticed just about myself is permanent mask wearing whilst at work means I am eating less, its only two days so far
I wonder if that is something other people do as well, eat less as you have to take the mask off, eat and then replace it plus you might be worried someone will notice and reprimand you.
so lockdowns and mask mandates are good for health and fitness ¿ who would have thought
especially when the only reason you can escape is for exercise
I found myself brushing my teeth more often during mask-wearing days.
Also, maskne: acne whilst wearing a mask. My chin was full of pimples.
Can someone please give the WA premier a watch with an alarm.
Divine Angel said:
Can someone please give the WA premier a watch with an alarm.
he likes an entrance
Divine Angel said:
Can someone please give the WA premier a watch with an alarm.
Why
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Can someone please give the WA premier a watch with an alarm.
Why
DV, asking the heavy questions.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Can someone please give the WA premier a watch with an alarm.
Why
DV, asking the heavy questions.
I’m busy right now and not really following this tranch of the thread but if I’ve got some time later I’ll sort it out for him.
WAlien: We have Covid!
God: Burn it with fire!
Chinese police have arrested more than 80 people it said were making counterfeit COVID-19 vaccines, according to state media, as China raced to inoculate millions before the Lunar New Year holiday.
The crime ring had been putting saline water into vials and selling them as COVID-19 vaccines in an operation that according to Xinhua news agency had been running since last September.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/china-cracks-fake-covid-19-vaccine-ring-confiscates-3000-dose/13113208
roughbarked said:
Chinese police have arrested more than 80 people it said were making counterfeit COVID-19 vaccines, according to state media, as China raced to inoculate millions before the Lunar New Year holiday.
The crime ring had been putting saline water into vials and selling them as COVID-19 vaccines in an operation that according to Xinhua news agency had been running since last September.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/china-cracks-fake-covid-19-vaccine-ring-confiscates-3000-dose/13113208
I don’t really ind so much when China shoot people like this.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
Chinese police have arrested more than 80 people it said were making counterfeit COVID-19 vaccines, according to state media, as China raced to inoculate millions before the Lunar New Year holiday.
The crime ring had been putting saline water into vials and selling them as COVID-19 vaccines in an operation that according to Xinhua news agency had been running since last September.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/china-cracks-fake-covid-19-vaccine-ring-confiscates-3000-dose/13113208
I don’t really ind so much when China shoot people like this.
Maybe I shouldn’t say that out loud…
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
Chinese police have arrested more than 80 people it said were making counterfeit COVID-19 vaccines, according to state media, as China raced to inoculate millions before the Lunar New Year holiday.
The crime ring had been putting saline water into vials and selling them as COVID-19 vaccines in an operation that according to Xinhua news agency had been running since last September.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/china-cracks-fake-covid-19-vaccine-ring-confiscates-3000-dose/13113208
I don’t really ind so much when China shoot people like this.
Maybe I shouldn’t say that out loud…
Beware the polite knock on the door.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
Chinese police have arrested more than 80 people it said were making counterfeit COVID-19 vaccines, according to state media, as China raced to inoculate millions before the Lunar New Year holiday.
The crime ring had been putting saline water into vials and selling them as COVID-19 vaccines in an operation that according to Xinhua news agency had been running since last September.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/china-cracks-fake-covid-19-vaccine-ring-confiscates-3000-dose/13113208
I don’t really ind so much when China shoot people like this.
Maybe I shouldn’t say that out loud…
It is OK, I’m deaf.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
party_pants said:I don’t really ind so much when China shoot people like this.
Maybe I shouldn’t say that out loud…
Beware the polite knock on the door.
my chemistry skillset does not extend so far as making up saline water.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:Maybe I shouldn’t say that out loud…
Beware the polite knock on the door.
my chemistry skillset does not extend so far as making up saline water.
It isn’t rocket fuel. ;)
Monday, 23rd. The convict who had been supposed to have driven the cows away was brought in and tried the next day for a robbery he had committed before he absented himself, and was sentenced to death, as was another convict for robbing one of the officer’s tents.
25 June 1788
Wednesday, 25th. Several canoes came down the harbour and passed within the ship. Some of the men came alongside. We gave them some fish and several other things. They were much pleased and gave us some oysters in return. These people seemed to suffer much from the cold.
About half an hour before noon, those two men under sentence of death were executed.
27 June 1788
Friday, 27th. A flying fox was killed that measured three feet from wing to wing. This was the first met with.
Tuesday July 1st. It having blown a gale of wind dead upon the shore for 48 Hours, we went down the harbour to get on the high land of one of the heads to look round that part of the harbour which is exposed to the sea, for any broken water or foul ground that may show itself in so great a sea.
PWM’s posting in the wrong thread again.
Peak Warming Man said:
PWM’s posting in the wrong thread again.
Dobber!
OK, back again. It seems Mr Security Guard hasn’t spread his germs to anyone else. Even with the really transissable version. And apparently going out and about. Interesting.
Enjoy your trips to the supermarket in WA. And to pick up your takeaway. It’s going to take longer…
>>The State Governmen has fast-tracked its mandatory contact register expansion to begin today.
Anyone visiting retail businesses, supermarkets, commercial transport, takeaway services, some outdoor functions and hospitals must now check in using the SafeWA QR code app or a paper-based system.<<
From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-overnight-as-lockdown-continues/13112234
buffy said:
Enjoy your trips to the supermarket in WA. And to pick up your takeaway. It’s going to take longer…>>The State Governmen has fast-tracked its mandatory contact register expansion to begin today.
Anyone visiting retail businesses, supermarkets, commercial transport, takeaway services, some outdoor functions and hospitals must now check in using the SafeWA QR code app or a paper-based system.<<
From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-overnight-as-lockdown-continues/13112234
Already in place. Scan QR code to enter pharmacy to drop off script, scan again at the supermarket next door, scan again going back to pick up script, drive to bottleshop, scan again upon entry.
Much quicker to scan the code than write it with pen and paper. We have been using the app for a while but it was only required for pubs, restaurants and cafe type places.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Enjoy your trips to the supermarket in WA. And to pick up your takeaway. It’s going to take longer…>>The State Governmen has fast-tracked its mandatory contact register expansion to begin today.
Anyone visiting retail businesses, supermarkets, commercial transport, takeaway services, some outdoor functions and hospitals must now check in using the SafeWA QR code app or a paper-based system.<<
From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-overnight-as-lockdown-continues/13112234
Already in place. Scan QR code to enter pharmacy to drop off script, scan again at the supermarket next door, scan again going back to pick up script, drive to bottleshop, scan again upon entry.
Much quicker to scan the code than write it with pen and paper. We have been using the app for a while but it was only required for pubs, restaurants and cafe type places.
yeah It works really well…
Arts said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Enjoy your trips to the supermarket in WA. And to pick up your takeaway. It’s going to take longer…>>The State Governmen has fast-tracked its mandatory contact register expansion to begin today.
Anyone visiting retail businesses, supermarkets, commercial transport, takeaway services, some outdoor functions and hospitals must now check in using the SafeWA QR code app or a paper-based system.<<
From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-overnight-as-lockdown-continues/13112234
Already in place. Scan QR code to enter pharmacy to drop off script, scan again at the supermarket next door, scan again going back to pick up script, drive to bottleshop, scan again upon entry.
Much quicker to scan the code than write it with pen and paper. We have been using the app for a while but it was only required for pubs, restaurants and cafe type places.
yeah It works really well…
and most places have more than one QR code available to scan so you aren’t even lining up for that.
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
party_pants said:
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
What do people without a phone do?
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
What do people without a phone do?
It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
What do people without a phone do?
It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
That might catch on.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
What do people without a phone do?
well there are paper registers too… or you have the option of adding in people you are with on your phone
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
What do people without a phone do?
They sign in with pen and paper…. and quietly curse all the young-uns who just waltz up with their phones and do some magic trick.
Arts said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
What do people without a phone do?
well there are paper registers too… or you have the option of adding in people you are with on your phone
I thought so – I had to visit the doctor today and did the paper form thing as I don’t have any of the virus apps on my phone.
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
Divine Angel said:
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
What’s a photo app?
The camera?
Divine Angel said:
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
Depends on the phone I think.
buffy said:
Enjoy your trips to the supermarket in WA. And to pick up your takeaway. It’s going to take longer…>>The State Governmen has fast-tracked its mandatory contact register expansion to begin today.
Anyone visiting retail businesses, supermarkets, commercial transport, takeaway services, some outdoor functions and hospitals must now check in using the SafeWA QR code app or a paper-based system.<<
From:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/no-new-coronavirus-cases-in-wa-overnight-as-lockdown-continues/13112234
(shrugs) They’ve been at retail businesses, supermarkets, commercial transport, takeaway services and hospitals for months now.
It takes no time at all. Open SafeWA app, click, done. Okay, not “no time” but less than five seconds, it’s certainly not the rate limiting factor in dealing with services.
Divine Angel said:
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
Not sure what App you guys use in QLD.
I just went to the app store and typed WA Covid in the search and it came up with the right one. It is called SafeWA.
Once I installed that I deleted the old Covid app that I installed back in March or April.
Divine Angel said:
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
Certainly on an I phone but doesn’t work on an android
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
I’m an old hand at the game already. Have phone out and app loaded while walking across the carpark to the front door.
What do people without a phone do?
It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Divine Angel said:
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
Depends on the phone I think.
This is right. At least it is here. Many phones you do actually have to download an app.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:What do people without a phone do?
It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
That’s partly because there is no Victorian government app that keeps your details. Instead you have to scan the code, open the venue website and enter your details. Takes longer than it should.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
That’s partly because there is no Victorian government app that keeps your details. Instead you have to scan the code, open the venue website and enter your details. Takes longer than it should.
The Vic Govt. does have an app, funnily enough it’s called the Victoria app
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
Not sure what App you guys use in QLD.
I just went to the app store and typed WA Covid in the search and it came up with the right one. It is called SafeWA.
Once I installed that I deleted the old Covid app that I installed back in March or April.
I didn’t install the other one.. but I do trust the WA gov enough to have installed theirs immediately.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:What do people without a phone do?
It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
Not sure what app you are using.
The one we are using it is simply a matter of scanning the code, and tapping the confirmation on the screen. There is no need to enter any additional information, once it is installed and set up that’s it.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
Not sure what app you are using.
The one we are using it is simply a matter of scanning the code, and tapping the confirmation on the screen. There is no need to enter any additional information, once it is installed and set up that’s it.
Buffy is notoriously anti tech.. so she is going to insist that it’s easier without it.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
You don’t need a QR reader, just open the photo app and it will take you to the website to register.
Not sure what App you guys use in QLD.
I just went to the app store and typed WA Covid in the search and it came up with the right one. It is called SafeWA.
Once I installed that I deleted the old Covid app that I installed back in March or April.
I didn’t install the other one.. but I do trust the WA gov enough to have installed theirs immediately.
I have just installed the SafeWA one. I now have a new smartish phone, Android. It has been a learning experience.
kryten said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
That’s partly because there is no Victorian government app that keeps your details. Instead you have to scan the code, open the venue website and enter your details. Takes longer than it should.
The Vic Govt. does have an app, funnily enough it’s called the Victoria app
I didn’t know that. Have never heard it mentioned either here or throughout our lengthy lockdown.
The guard was infectious in the community for up to six days before his positive test was returned late Saturday night.
Health Minister Roger Cook clarified that he was incorrect when he told media yesterday that the guard had reported to his employer that he was sick on Thursday, January 28.
Mr Cook said the man had actually told his employer of his illness on Saturday, January 30. That was the same day he got tested at a COVID clinic.
Witty Rejoinder said:
kryten said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That’s partly because there is no Victorian government app that keeps your details. Instead you have to scan the code, open the venue website and enter your details. Takes longer than it should.
The Vic Govt. does have an app, funnily enough it’s called the Victoria app
I didn’t know that. Have never heard it mentioned either here or throughout our lengthy lockdown.
it isn’t like the WA one.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Not sure what App you guys use in QLD.
I just went to the app store and typed WA Covid in the search and it came up with the right one. It is called SafeWA.
Once I installed that I deleted the old Covid app that I installed back in March or April.
I didn’t install the other one.. but I do trust the WA gov enough to have installed theirs immediately.
I have just installed the SafeWA one. I now have a new smartish phone, Android. It has been a learning experience.
Did you get the humour ap?
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Not sure what App you guys use in QLD.
I just went to the app store and typed WA Covid in the search and it came up with the right one. It is called SafeWA.
Once I installed that I deleted the old Covid app that I installed back in March or April.
I didn’t install the other one.. but I do trust the WA gov enough to have installed theirs immediately.
I have just installed the SafeWA one. I now have a new smartish phone, Android. It has been a learning experience.
Welcome to the brave new world!
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:I didn’t install the other one.. but I do trust the WA gov enough to have installed theirs immediately.
I have just installed the SafeWA one. I now have a new smartish phone, Android. It has been a learning experience.
Did you get the humour ap?
I shall look for it.
Witty Rejoinder said:
kryten said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That’s partly because there is no Victorian government app that keeps your details. Instead you have to scan the code, open the venue website and enter your details. Takes longer than it should.
The Vic Govt. does have an app, funnily enough it’s called the Victoria app
I didn’t know that. Have never heard it mentioned either here or throughout our lengthy lockdown.
They took their time developing it
Australia card and scanners, anyone?
Arts said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
Not sure what app you are using.
The one we are using it is simply a matter of scanning the code, and tapping the confirmation on the screen. There is no need to enter any additional information, once it is installed and set up that’s it.
Buffy is notoriously anti tech.. so she is going to insist that it’s easier without it.
It’s something that has happened as I’ve got older and preferred not to have things I don’t need. I had one of the early typewriters with memory, we had a home computer very early in the piece, and I think I had the first flatscreen computer screen in Hamilton. (And paid a lot of money for it). I had to get a mobile phone because there aren’t many public phones around, but I got the most basic because it’s just for emergency and contacting Mr buffy. I don’t need to be constantly in touch with the world.
Except for you lot, I suppose.
Hmmm..
>> 2m ago 18:00
The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has declared the Pfizer vaccine safe for older patients.
The declaration comes after around 30 elderly people in Norway died after receiving the vaccine, but the TGA believe it is safe.
The cases were part of the discussion at a meeting between the TGA and European experts, with the meeting concluding that no causal link could be established between vaccination and deaths.
Medical regulators in North America, the UK and Europe have made similar conclusions, the TGA says.
Elderly patients can receive this vaccine and there is no cap on the upper age limit. The TGA will continue to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines as they are rolled out in Australia and internationally.For frail patients over the age of 85, the TGA says the benefits of the vaccine should be weighed against the potential risk of even mild reactions.
buffy said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Not sure what app you are using.
The one we are using it is simply a matter of scanning the code, and tapping the confirmation on the screen. There is no need to enter any additional information, once it is installed and set up that’s it.
Buffy is notoriously anti tech.. so she is going to insist that it’s easier without it.
It’s something that has happened as I’ve got older and preferred not to have things I don’t need. I had one of the early typewriters with memory, we had a home computer very early in the piece, and I think I had the first flatscreen computer screen in Hamilton. (And paid a lot of money for it). I had to get a mobile phone because there aren’t many public phones around, but I got the most basic because it’s just for emergency and contacting Mr buffy. I don’t need to be constantly in touch with the world.
Except for you lot, I suppose.
nice to know we are your world
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:Buffy is notoriously anti tech.. so she is going to insist that it’s easier without it.
It’s something that has happened as I’ve got older and preferred not to have things I don’t need. I had one of the early typewriters with memory, we had a home computer very early in the piece, and I think I had the first flatscreen computer screen in Hamilton. (And paid a lot of money for it). I had to get a mobile phone because there aren’t many public phones around, but I got the most basic because it’s just for emergency and contacting Mr buffy. I don’t need to be constantly in touch with the world.
Except for you lot, I suppose.
nice to know we are your world
And going from researching stuff in papers the old way – guessing which papers might be interesting from the lists at the end of papers you have read, requesting and paying for photocopying from the library, and then finding the papers only barely touch on what you wanted to read…I loooove internet searching. As I said. Tech should be useful.
I didn’t really have any use for a mobile phone, let alone a smart one, until I ended up in hospital a few times over the last year and a bit.
So I eventually bought a smartphone but don’t use it much in the normal course of events.
Bubblecar said:
I didn’t really have any use for a mobile phone, let alone a smart one, until I ended up in hospital a few times over the last year and a bit.So I eventually bought a smartphone but don’t use it much in the normal course of events.
Does it have a camera?
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
I didn’t really have any use for a mobile phone, let alone a smart one, until I ended up in hospital a few times over the last year and a bit.So I eventually bought a smartphone but don’t use it much in the normal course of events.
Does it have a camera?
It has a camera that’s not as good as my actual cameras.
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:It’s something that has happened as I’ve got older and preferred not to have things I don’t need. I had one of the early typewriters with memory, we had a home computer very early in the piece, and I think I had the first flatscreen computer screen in Hamilton. (And paid a lot of money for it). I had to get a mobile phone because there aren’t many public phones around, but I got the most basic because it’s just for emergency and contacting Mr buffy. I don’t need to be constantly in touch with the world.
Except for you lot, I suppose.
nice to know we are your world
And going from researching stuff in papers the old way – guessing which papers might be interesting from the lists at the end of papers you have read, requesting and paying for photocopying from the library, and then finding the papers only barely touch on what you wanted to read…I loooove internet searching. As I said. Tech should be useful.
yikes… didn’t the libraries have volumes of journals for you to look at?
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:nice to know we are your world
And going from researching stuff in papers the old way – guessing which papers might be interesting from the lists at the end of papers you have read, requesting and paying for photocopying from the library, and then finding the papers only barely touch on what you wanted to read…I loooove internet searching. As I said. Tech should be useful.
yikes… didn’t the libraries have volumes of journals for you to look at?
I live and worked 350km from the library.
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:And going from researching stuff in papers the old way – guessing which papers might be interesting from the lists at the end of papers you have read, requesting and paying for photocopying from the library, and then finding the papers only barely touch on what you wanted to read…I loooove internet searching. As I said. Tech should be useful.
yikes… didn’t the libraries have volumes of journals for you to look at?
I live and worked 350km from the library.
In Queensland they had a mobile library that used to take the book around
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:What do people without a phone do?
It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
Tick.
I do the Buffy.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s called ‘doing a Buffy’.
Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
Tick.
I do the Buffy.
do you take your own pen?
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Here is how you do it…“I haven’t got a smart phone. Could you sign me in please?” And they either point you to a piece of paper to put down your (first) name and a contact phone number and the time. Or they whip out their own phone and ask your name and phone number and they enter it for you. At the pub here I use the paper sign in and Mr buffy uses the app. I am finished first and at the table waiting for him.
Tick.
I do the Buffy.
do you take your own pen?
Nup. I’m not afraid of a pen. I spent a lot of years being aware of not touching my mucous membranes. But I do take my own pencil when I go to vote, in case the booths are full, because I will sit on the floor and fill in my ballot. (That is something I learnt from my mother… we are all a little bit mad)
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
Arts said:yikes… didn’t the libraries have volumes of journals for you to look at?
I live and worked 350km from the library.
In Queensland they had a mobile library that used to take the book around
Not for specialized medical journals.
:)
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:Tick.
I do the Buffy.
do you take your own pen?
Nup. I’m not afraid of a pen. I spent a lot of years being aware of not touching my mucous membranes. But I do take my own pencil when I go to vote, in case the booths are full, because I will sit on the floor and fill in my ballot. (That is something I learnt from my mother… we are all a little bit mad)
i’m going to the shop and will use the safeWA app for the first time
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
Arts said:yikes… didn’t the libraries have volumes of journals for you to look at?
I live and worked 350km from the library.
In Queensland they had a mobile library that used to take the book around
They still do.
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:And going from researching stuff in papers the old way – guessing which papers might be interesting from the lists at the end of papers you have read, requesting and paying for photocopying from the library, and then finding the papers only barely touch on what you wanted to read…I loooove internet searching. As I said. Tech should be useful.
yikes… didn’t the libraries have volumes of journals for you to look at?
I live and worked 350km from the library.
well, that does not help
I wonder if they’ll work on producing a vaccines for mammals , like primates, zoo animals and domesticated cats and dogs as human covid might infect animals mutate and create a new strain that is not controllable with the newly developed vaccines etc etc?
monkey skipper said:
I wonder if they’ll work on producing a vaccines for mammals , like primates, zoo animals and domesticated cats and dogs as human covid might infect animals mutate and create a new strain that is not controllable with the newly developed vaccines etc etc?
ms spock said:
monkey skipper said:
I wonder if they’ll work on producing a vaccines for mammals , like primates, zoo animals and domesticated cats and dogs as human covid might infect animals mutate and create a new strain that is not controllable with the newly developed vaccines etc etc?
That’s a really good question.
Thanks, but I think I’d prefer the really good answer! :D
I am aware there was a recent covid infection within a group of gorillas in a zoo , for example.
*digresses and remembers the time I accidentally misused guerilla for gorillas it was a funny in context of the question back then (which I can’t quite remember now)
monkey skipper said:
ms spock said:
monkey skipper said:
I wonder if they’ll work on producing a vaccines for mammals , like primates, zoo animals and domesticated cats and dogs as human covid might infect animals mutate and create a new strain that is not controllable with the newly developed vaccines etc etc?
That’s a really good question.Thanks, but I think I’d prefer the really good answer! :D
I am aware there was a recent covid infection within a group of gorillas in a zoo , for example.
*digresses and remembers the time I accidentally misused guerilla for gorillas it was a funny in context of the question back then (which I can’t quite remember now)
:)
Dissident Liberal MP Craig Kelly — labelled a “menace” by Labor — has been told by the Prime Minister to heed expert medical advice, after the outspoken politician promoted unproven coronavirus treatments and questioned the safety of vaccinations.
The final straw came on Monday when Mr Kelly appeared on a podcast where he was interviewed by anti-vaccination campaigner and former celebrity chef Pete Evans.
The appearance provoked an angry response from the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, which accused Mr Kelly of enabling a conspiracy theorist and spreading misinformation
“Craig Kelly is a dangerous menace and a threat to the nation’s COVID response,” Shadow Health Minister Mark Butler said on Tuesday morning.
“It’s beyond time the Prime Minister developed the backbone to pull him into line.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/scott-morrison-dresses-down-craig-kelly-over-covid-19-claims/13114764
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:I didn’t install the other one.. but I do trust the WA gov enough to have installed theirs immediately.
I have just installed the SafeWA one. I now have a new smartish phone, Android. It has been a learning experience.
Did you get the humour ap?
bile or phlegm
heard about this approximately 12 hours ago
Sweden takes 11 months to start thinking about maybe trying to do a half-proper lockdown
WHO takes 11 weeks to stop insisting that open borders are safe
CHINA takes 11 days to report concerns over a previously-unheard-of, unexpected disease has emerged
but
Federal Minister for All Businesses Are Essential To Keep Open Trade, Keep That Tourist Money Flowing Through Open Borders Tourism and If It’s Funneled Through A Private Company Then It’s Not Corruption Investment complains that WA takes 11 hours to confirm a case of illness which {anyone who’s been responsible and actually gone to have a test done for} knows {can take 24 hours to get results for}
Looks like the Oxford vaccine is now 76% effective after one dose and 82% after two doses.
poikilotherm said:
Looks like the Oxford vaccine is now 76% effective after one dose and 82% after two doses.
Depends on the strain, obviously. That’s why the Chinese vaccine works better in China and Turkey than in Brazil.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Captain Sir Tom Moore, who raised $57 million for the NHS, dies aged 100 after contracting coronavirus:)
:(
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Captain Sir Tom Moore, who raised $57 million for the NHS, dies aged 100 after contracting coronavirus:)
:(
Had me wondering for a moment.
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Captain Sir Tom Moore, who raised $57 million for the NHS, dies aged 100 after contracting coronavirus:)
:(
Had me wondering for a moment.
Sorry about that, he did a lot of good work.
A New Type Of N95 Face Mask Helps Destroy Virus Particles
As the world waits for the vaccine’s distribution to be widespread, one of the newest advances in fighting COVID-19 comes from an area we might not have been expecting innovation from — the face mask. Below, we’ll cover an exciting new development in respiratory masks as well as where to purchase two budget-friendly alternatives while supplies are available again.
more…
Victoria announces nine COVID vaccine hubs at public hospitals across the state
The first Victorians to receive the coronavirus vaccine will be able to do so at nine hubs at public hospitals in Melbourne and regional Victoria, the State Government says.
Health Minister Martin Foley said priority vaccinations would be administered at the Western, Monash and Austin hospitals in Melbourne, as well as regional hospitals in Bendigo, Ballarat and Albury.
No date has been set for the first vaccinations in Victoria.
more…
dv said:
Dissident Liberal MP Craig Kelly — labelled a “menace” by Labor — has been told by the Prime Minister to heed expert medical advice, after the outspoken politician promoted unproven coronavirus treatments and questioned the safety of vaccinations.The final straw came on Monday when Mr Kelly appeared on a podcast where he was interviewed by anti-vaccination campaigner and former celebrity chef Pete Evans.
The appearance provoked an angry response from the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, which accused Mr Kelly of enabling a conspiracy theorist and spreading misinformation
“Craig Kelly is a dangerous menace and a threat to the nation’s COVID response,” Shadow Health Minister Mark Butler said on Tuesday morning.
“It’s beyond time the Prime Minister developed the backbone to pull him into line.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/scott-morrison-dresses-down-craig-kelly-over-covid-19-claims/13114764
Look what it did to America, they are going to be a mess for years due to medical misinformation.
SCIENCE said:
heard about this approximately 12 hours agoSweden takes 11 months to start thinking about maybe trying to do a half-proper lockdown
WHO takes 11 weeks to stop insisting that open borders are safe
CHINA takes 11 days to report concerns over a previously-unheard-of, unexpected disease has emerged
but
Federal Minister for
All Businesses Are Essential To Keep OpenTrade,Keep That Tourist Money Flowing Through Open BordersTourism andIf It’s Funneled Through A Private Company Then It’s Not CorruptionInvestment complains that WA takes 11 hours to confirm a case of illness which {anyone who’s been responsible and actually gone to have a test done for} knows {can take 24 hours to get results for}
Indeed
***arches eyebrow***
ms spock said:
dv said:
Dissident Liberal MP Craig Kelly — labelled a “menace” by Labor — has been told by the Prime Minister to heed expert medical advice, after the outspoken politician promoted unproven coronavirus treatments and questioned the safety of vaccinations.The final straw came on Monday when Mr Kelly appeared on a podcast where he was interviewed by anti-vaccination campaigner and former celebrity chef Pete Evans.
The appearance provoked an angry response from the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, which accused Mr Kelly of enabling a conspiracy theorist and spreading misinformation
“Craig Kelly is a dangerous menace and a threat to the nation’s COVID response,” Shadow Health Minister Mark Butler said on Tuesday morning.
“It’s beyond time the Prime Minister developed the backbone to pull him into line.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/scott-morrison-dresses-down-craig-kelly-over-covid-19-claims/13114764
Look what it did to America, they are going to be a mess for years due to medical misinformation.
I think mus-information should be made a crime and treated that way.
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
dv said:
Dissident Liberal MP Craig Kelly — labelled a “menace” by Labor — has been told by the Prime Minister to heed expert medical advice, after the outspoken politician promoted unproven coronavirus treatments and questioned the safety of vaccinations.The final straw came on Monday when Mr Kelly appeared on a podcast where he was interviewed by anti-vaccination campaigner and former celebrity chef Pete Evans.
The appearance provoked an angry response from the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, which accused Mr Kelly of enabling a conspiracy theorist and spreading misinformation
“Craig Kelly is a dangerous menace and a threat to the nation’s COVID response,” Shadow Health Minister Mark Butler said on Tuesday morning.
“It’s beyond time the Prime Minister developed the backbone to pull him into line.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/scott-morrison-dresses-down-craig-kelly-over-covid-19-claims/13114764
Look what it did to America, they are going to be a mess for years due to medical misinformation.
I think mus-information should be made a crime and treated that way.
mus-information = misinformation
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
dv said:
Dissident Liberal MP Craig Kelly — labelled a “menace” by Labor — has been told by the Prime Minister to heed expert medical advice, after the outspoken politician promoted unproven coronavirus treatments and questioned the safety of vaccinations.The final straw came on Monday when Mr Kelly appeared on a podcast where he was interviewed by anti-vaccination campaigner and former celebrity chef Pete Evans.
The appearance provoked an angry response from the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, which accused Mr Kelly of enabling a conspiracy theorist and spreading misinformation
“Craig Kelly is a dangerous menace and a threat to the nation’s COVID response,” Shadow Health Minister Mark Butler said on Tuesday morning.
“It’s beyond time the Prime Minister developed the backbone to pull him into line.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/scott-morrison-dresses-down-craig-kelly-over-covid-19-claims/13114764
Look what it did to America, they are going to be a mess for years due to medical misinformation.
I think mus-information should be made a crime and treated that way.
I can only hope that you never gain any form of political power then.
sibeen said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:Look what it did to America, they are going to be a mess for years due to medical misinformation.
I think mus-information should be made a crime and treated that way.
I can only hope that you never gain any form of political power then.
Why? Is there something about misinformation you like?
It is intended to deceive.
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
Doesn’t that agitate them? All the rolling out.
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
My specialist says he needs to see more guidelines and information before he will allow me to be vaccinated. If it was a live vaccination it would be an emphatic no.
Sounds like your doc is all over it.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
My specialist says he needs to see more guidelines and information before he will allow me to be vaccinated. If it was a live vaccination it would be an emphatic no.Sounds like your doc is all over it.
We should have the option of wait and see with it pretty much not community spread
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
My specialist says he needs to see more guidelines and information before he will allow me to be vaccinated. If it was a live vaccination it would be an emphatic no.Sounds like your doc is all over it.
None of the ones we will get in au are ‘live’ vaccines in the traditional sense eg zostervax, but they do use a live inactivated viral vector.
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:My specialist says he needs to see more guidelines and information before he will allow me to be vaccinated. If it was a live vaccination it would be an emphatic no.
Sounds like your doc is all over it.
None of the ones we will get in au are ‘live’ vaccines in the traditional sense eg zostervax, but they do use a live inactivated viral vector.
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:My specialist says he needs to see more guidelines and information before he will allow me to be vaccinated. If it was a live vaccination it would be an emphatic no.
Sounds like your doc is all over it.
None of the ones we will get in au are ‘live’ vaccines in the traditional sense eg zostervax, but they do use a live inactivated viral vector.
When they cut you loose with a box full of needles will it be a free for all,.
Poik-: Name.
Tamb-: Tamb.
Poik-: There you go Tamb.
Poik-: Tamb!, you alright Tamb………..
Peak Warming Man said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:Sounds like your doc is all over it.
None of the ones we will get in au are ‘live’ vaccines in the traditional sense eg zostervax, but they do use a live inactivated viral vector.
When they cut you loose with a box full of needles will it be a free for all,.
Poik-: Name.
Tamb-: Tamb.
Poik-: There you go Tamb.
Poik-: Tamb!, you alright Tamb………..
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
How will we know if they are working here? Apparently there isn’t any virus much around. Nothing to challenge the vaccinated body system…
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
How will we know if they are working here? Apparently there isn’t any virus much around. Nothing to challenge the vaccinated body system…
Just take a trip to the anti-vax areas of the country.
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The vaccines will be rolling out in Aus soon.
We’ll have to rely on the results of real world results from overseas to see how good they work.
How will we know if they are working here? Apparently there isn’t any virus much around. Nothing to challenge the vaccinated body system…
Just take a trip to the anti-vax areas of the country.
Yeah but…there are hardly any cases of the thing in Australia for you to catch it from. It is going to be very hard to tell if it has any effect. Should be noticeable in US and UK.
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:How will we know if they are working here? Apparently there isn’t any virus much around. Nothing to challenge the vaccinated body system…
Just take a trip to the anti-vax areas of the country.
Yeah but…there are hardly any cases of the thing in Australia for you to catch it from. It is going to be very hard to tell if it has any effect. Should be noticeable in US and UK.
Fair comment right now, but if there’s a widespread vaccination campaign and Australia opens its borders, we’ll see how effective it was
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:How will we know if they are working here? Apparently there isn’t any virus much around. Nothing to challenge the vaccinated body system…
Just take a trip to the anti-vax areas of the country.
Yeah but…there are hardly any cases of the thing in Australia for you to catch it from. It is going to be very hard to tell if it has any effect. Should be noticeable in US and UK.
sure you can tell, there will be side effects everywhere
Must be just about time for WA to announce figures from yesterday.
buffy said:
Must be just about time for WA to announce figures from yesterday.
The boss likes to arrive late to press conferences and no one other than him is allowed to announce anything…
furious said:
buffy said:
Must be just about time for WA to announce figures from yesterday.The boss likes to arrive late to press conferences and no one other than him is allowed to announce anything…
Mictaker Mark
buffy said:
Must be just about time for WA to announce figures from yesterday.
Premier Mark McGowan is expected to give an update from 11:30am WST.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Must be just about time for WA to announce figures from yesterday.Premier Mark McGowan is expected to give an update from 11:30am WST.
Um, yes. And they are three hours behind the East at this time of year, so…
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Must be just about time for WA to announce figures from yesterday.Premier Mark McGowan is expected to give an update from 11:30am WST.
Um, yes. And they are three hours behind the East at this time of year, so…
Ahem, not all the east…
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Must be just about time for WA to announce figures from yesterday.Premier Mark McGowan is expected to give an update from 11:30am WST.
Um, yes. And they are three hours behind the East at this time of year, so…
Before you ask — no, I don’t know for sure if it will run on time.
Anyway, his update yesterday started at 11.55am WST. I was just about to leave to pick up Mini Me.
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:Premier Mark McGowan is expected to give an update from 11:30am WST.
Um, yes. And they are three hours behind the East at this time of year, so…
Ahem, not all the east…
OK. Generalization, I suppose.
:)
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:Premier Mark McGowan is expected to give an update from 11:30am WST.
Um, yes. And they are three hours behind the East at this time of year, so…
Copied from the live updates page.
Mark McGowan’s press conference is scheduled for 11:30am WST todayBefore you ask — no, I don’t know for sure if it will run on time.
Yes, that is why I mentioned it. I have the live updates running.
another pandemic that’s just a mild ‘flu’
Tau.Neutrino said:
COVID-19 rarely spreads through surfaces. So why are we still deep cleaning?
lol
because once COVID-19 came along, every other infectious disease disappeared
because once COVID-19 came along, getting the ‘flu’ was no big deal
because once COVID-19 came along, we should only do the one exact thing we believe works and dump every other secondary measure
etc
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/uk-begins-testing-thousands-for-covid-variant/13115608
UK starts door-to-door COVID testing in eight regions to stop South African strain from spreading
Julian Tang, a clinical virologist at the University of Leicester, said the recent discovery of the spike protein mutation in the Kent variant was a “worrying development, though not entirely unexpected”.
—
“Is that something that you’re going to do forever, because it looks like these strains may continue to arise in the long term?
“So we need some sort of sustainable strategy, and I think that’s very difficult for politicians to think about that.”
gee, we wonder, what might a good sustainable long term strategy be that will prevent nasty strains from arising forever
Covid hotel quarantine: ‘It’s the luck of the draw’
UK nationals and residents returning from “red list” countries will be made to quarantine in accommodation such as hotels for 10 days, Boris Johnson has said. While exact details of the policy remain unclear, similar schemes are already in place elsewhere, including in Australia and New Zealand. So how does it work?
more…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Covid hotel quarantine: ‘It’s the luck of the draw’UK nationals and residents returning from “red list” countries will be made to quarantine in accommodation such as hotels for 10 days, … similar schemes are already in place elsewhere, including in Australia and New Zealand. So how does it work?
inferiorly, compared to 14 days
How should the ideal COVID quarantine hotel be designed ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
How should the ideal COVID quarantine hotel be designed ?
Step 1. Pick an island.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How should the ideal COVID quarantine hotel be designed ?Step 1. Pick an island.
Tassie?
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How should the ideal COVID quarantine hotel be designed ?Step 1. Pick an island.
Tassie?
A bit smaller. One that can be dedicated to quarantine only, with no other permanent residents.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:Step 1. Pick an island.
Tassie?
A bit smaller. One that can be dedicated to quarantine only, with no other permanent residents.
They are talking about quarantining on mango farms so they can pick the fruit?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/nt-coronavirus-seasonal-workers-quarantine-farms/13117726
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Tassie?
A bit smaller. One that can be dedicated to quarantine only, with no other permanent residents.
They are talking about quarantining on mango farms so they can pick the fruit?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/nt-coronavirus-seasonal-workers-quarantine-farms/13117726
Potentially infectious workers picking fresh fruit to go on sale in Australian supermarkets ??
… I can’t see any possible downside.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Tassie?
A bit smaller. One that can be dedicated to quarantine only, with no other permanent residents.
They are talking about quarantining on mango farms so they can pick the fruit?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/nt-coronavirus-seasonal-workers-quarantine-farms/13117726
so you want to take people from other lands, put them into camps, and make them work before they are liberated
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:A bit smaller. One that can be dedicated to quarantine only, with no other permanent residents.
They are talking about quarantining on mango farms so they can pick the fruit?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/nt-coronavirus-seasonal-workers-quarantine-farms/13117726
so you want to take people from other lands, put them into camps, and make them work before they are liberated
the alternative is worse… hiring local workers.
Victorian authorities are investigating the possible transmission of COVID-19 within its hotel quarantine system after two groups of travellers on the same floor tested positive for the same UK variant of the virus.
Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville says there is “exceptionally low risk” of community transmission
Authorities believe the viral load of the family was so high, the virus spread when they opened their door
A review of CCTV footage has found no infection control breaches
The UK variant is not thought to be more deadly than other strains, but is understood to be dramatically more transmissible.
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so we got beaten to suspecting airborne spread, by New Zealand again, nice
also, we thought the deadliness was under some debate, videlicet https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/new-uk-covid-variant-may-be-more-deadly-says-boris-johnson
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:A bit smaller. One that can be dedicated to quarantine only, with no other permanent residents.
They are talking about quarantining on mango farms so they can pick the fruit?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/nt-coronavirus-seasonal-workers-quarantine-farms/13117726
so you want to take people from other lands, put them into camps, and make them work before they are liberated
I don’t. It is others that want that.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How should the ideal COVID quarantine hotel be designed ?Step 1. Pick an island.
Tasmania?
Divine Angel said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How should the ideal COVID quarantine hotel be designed ?Step 1. Pick an island.
Tasmania?
actually I think one of the reasons that we had such good containment to the out break originally was because they used Rottnest Island as a quarantine facility…
Divine Angel said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How should the ideal COVID quarantine hotel be designed ?Step 1. Pick an island.
Tasmania?
sings Hobart International airport…
Arts said:
Divine Angel said:
party_pants said:Step 1. Pick an island.
Tasmania?
actually I think one of the reasons that we had such good containment to the out break originally was because they used Rottnest Island as a quarantine facility…
Well, the quokkas looked happy anyway.
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
Divine Angel said:Tasmania?
actually I think one of the reasons that we had such good containment to the out break originally was because they used Rottnest Island as a quarantine facility…
Well, the quokkas looked happy anyway.
They always look like they have a smiling facial expression. That is why humans find them cute.
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
Divine Angel said:Tasmania?
actually I think one of the reasons that we had such good containment to the out break originally was because they used Rottnest Island as a quarantine facility…
Well, the quokkas looked happy anyway.
they always look happy, it’s either the foliage they eat or all the drugs holiday makers drop.
Arts said:
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:actually I think one of the reasons that we had such good containment to the out break originally was because they used Rottnest Island as a quarantine facility…
Well, the quokkas looked happy anyway.
they always look happy, it’s either the foliage they eat or all the drugs holiday makers drop.
wouldn’t the quokkas have to drop the drugs? or are you suggesting that they only look happy because the holidaymakers have dropped drugs? or what? exactly?
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
Divine Angel said:Well, the quokkas looked happy anyway.
they always look happy, it’s either the foliage they eat or all the drugs holiday makers drop.
wouldn’t the quokkas have to drop the drugs? or are you suggesting that they only look happy because the holidaymakers have dropped drugs? or what? exactly?
or are you suggesting that they only look happy because the holidaymakers have dropped drugs
I really hope they are getting more than one company to test these quarantine covid tests.. what if the methodology is flawed?
( know they are not).
Arts said:
I really hope they are getting more than one company to test these quarantine covid tests.. what if the methodology is flawed?( know they are not).
They are getting more than one person to test the vaccine.
:)
Brisbane Big Pharma is doing ok out of it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/ellume-awarded-contract-from-us-for-at-home-covid-tests/13111502
monkey skipper said:
ms spock said:
monkey skipper said:
I wonder if they’ll work on producing a vaccines for mammals , like primates, zoo animals and domesticated cats and dogs as human covid might infect animals mutate and create a new strain that is not controllable with the newly developed vaccines etc etc?
That’s a really good question.Thanks, but I think I’d prefer the really good answer! :D
I am aware there was a recent covid infection within a group of gorillas in a zoo , for example.
*digresses and remembers the time I accidentally misused guerilla for gorillas it was a funny in context of the question back then (which I can’t quite remember now)
Arts said:
I really hope they are getting more than one company to test these quarantine covid tests.. what if the methodology is flawed?( know they are not).
I am a bit concerned that the bug was infectious enough to waft down the passageway to the guard, but somehow it didn’t spread within his household when he took it home. Maybe he just has a super dooper immune system that rapidly killed off the replicating viruses. Or something.
buffy said:
Arts said:
I really hope they are getting more than one company to test these quarantine covid tests.. what if the methodology is flawed?( know they are not).
I am a bit concerned that the bug was infectious enough to waft down the passageway to the guard, but somehow it didn’t spread within his household when he took it home. Maybe he just has a super dooper immune system that rapidly killed off the replicating viruses. Or something.
I think there’s a bit of conjecture there.
buffy said:
Arts said:
I really hope they are getting more than one company to test these quarantine covid tests.. what if the methodology is flawed?( know they are not).
I am a bit concerned that the bug was infectious enough to waft down the passageway to the guard, but somehow it didn’t spread within his household when he took it home. Maybe he just has a super dooper immune system that rapidly killed off the replicating viruses. Or something.
Interesting statement from UK authorities, they said that more than 10% of the population have been vaccinated and that all the vulnerable people have been offered the vaccine.
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:
I really hope they are getting more than one company to test these quarantine covid tests.. what if the methodology is flawed?( know they are not).
I am a bit concerned that the bug was infectious enough to waft down the passageway to the guard, but somehow it didn’t spread within his household when he took it home. Maybe he just has a super dooper immune system that rapidly killed off the replicating viruses. Or something.
I think there’s a bit of conjecture there.
The ABC news today said he was sitting on a chair at the end of the corridor. And had not approached the door of the guest who had the bug. So they were saying it was airborne transmission. Was that the conjecture bit? The other bit is, yes, trying to work out how such an infectious bug was not transmitted in a home situation.
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I am a bit concerned that the bug was infectious enough to waft down the passageway to the guard, but somehow it didn’t spread within his household when he took it home. Maybe he just has a super dooper immune system that rapidly killed off the replicating viruses. Or something.
I think there’s a bit of conjecture there.
The ABC news today said he was sitting on a chair at the end of the corridor. And had not approached the door of the guest who had the bug. So they were saying it was airborne transmission. Was that the conjecture bit? The other bit is, yes, trying to work out how such an infectious bug was not transmitted in a home situation.
Does anyone know if they check the waste water for signs of COVID, in Perth, like they do in other jurisdictions?
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I am a bit concerned that the bug was infectious enough to waft down the passageway to the guard, but somehow it didn’t spread within his household when he took it home. Maybe he just has a super dooper immune system that rapidly killed off the replicating viruses. Or something.
I think there’s a bit of conjecture there.
The ABC news today said he was sitting on a chair at the end of the corridor. And had not approached the door of the guest who had the bug. So they were saying it was airborne transmission. Was that the conjecture bit? The other bit is, yes, trying to work out how such an infectious bug was not transmitted in a home situation.
they may have left the windows down or worn masks
Victorian health authorities are investigating how a hotel quarantine worker contracted coronavirus after they tested positive to the virus.
Earlier on Wednesday, the state government revealed a returned traveller in hotel quarantine had tested positive to the exact same UK variant of Covid as a family staying across the hall, with health authorities suspecting the viral load was “so high” it jumped across the corridor.
Did they ever discover how the Brisbane cleaner got it?
SCIENCE said:
Victorian health authorities are investigating how a hotel quarantine worker contracted coronavirus after they tested positive to the virus.Earlier on Wednesday, the state government revealed a returned traveller in hotel quarantine had tested positive to the exact same UK variant of Covid as a family staying across the hall, with health authorities suspecting the viral load was “so high” it jumped across the corridor.
they’ve updated the ABC article as well
Divine Angel said:
Did they ever discover how the Brisbane cleaner got it?
we don’t know the answer to that but it’s a bit like chasing the wet market bats at the moment innit, it’s airborne, going to be hard to pin down, we need to get our shit together to secure quarantine now and prevent spread of the current pathogen, not the same one as over a year ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/victoria-reintroduces-coronavirus-restrictions-hotel-worker-test/13119132
Here we go in Vic again.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/victoria-reintroduces-coronavirus-restrictions-hotel-worker-test/13119132Here we go in Vic again.
I guess there’s only the South Australians left to laugh at you.
ABC Hobart
2 February at 18:00 ·
James Brennan is part of the 240-strong team at Blueline laundry – more than a third with a disability of some kind – who have been working hard to keep the community safe during the COVID-19 crisis.
Workers have been sewing special bags to collect linen from quarantine hotels, hospitals, and aged care homes.
The bags go straight into the washing machines unopened, and the stitching dissolves!
sarahs mum said:
ABC Hobart2 February at 18:00 ·
James Brennan is part of the 240-strong team at Blueline laundry – more than a third with a disability of some kind – who have been working hard to keep the community safe during the COVID-19 crisis.
Workers have been sewing special bags to collect linen from quarantine hotels, hospitals, and aged care homes.
The bags go straight into the washing machines unopened, and the stitching dissolves!
That’s strange…
After 1 year of insights and revelations…
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2020-02-04
COVID-19,
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2021-02-04
B117,
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sometimes one(1,0,0) really just wonders, if someone is working in quarantine, whether there should be some strong recommendations to limit your extensive travel to fewer than 6 unique major locations in 1 day
When someone has the virus and we know transmission can be airborne, could the quarantine worker have collected the virus on his clothes during the time in the corridor, then got onto his hands, then face?
Air drafts from under doors move more air than people realise I think.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-04/woman-in-covid-19-coma-finally-gets-to-meet-her-fourth-child/13120994
How will those vaccinated be released I wonder, will they reach herd immunity numbers and then just reopen or more sensibly do it slowly and wait and see
Cymek said:
How will those vaccinated be released I wonder, will they reach herd immunity numbers and then just reopen or more sensibly do it slowly and wait and see
The vaccination timetable is to have everyone done by Spring I think.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
How will those vaccinated be released I wonder, will they reach herd immunity numbers and then just reopen or more sensibly do it slowly and wait and see
The vaccination timetable is to have everyone done by Spring I think.
Then reopen society and hope it worked, I mean it should but you’d want to be pretty damn sure they can’t get infected and restart everything.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
How will those vaccinated be released I wonder, will they reach herd immunity numbers and then just reopen or more sensibly do it slowly and wait and see
The vaccination timetable is to have everyone done by Spring I think.
Then reopen society and hope it worked, I mean it should but you’d want to be pretty damn sure they can’t get infected and restart everything.
Steady decline in new cases this year in UK and USA.
I guess death numbers will follow the down trend real soon now.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Melbourne hotel quarantine worker who caught COVID is ‘a model employee’, Premier Daniel Andrews saysWhen someone has the virus and we know transmission can be airborne, could the quarantine worker have collected the virus on his clothes during the time in the corridor, then got onto his hands, then face?
Air drafts from under doors move more air than people realise I think.
How long was he working in the corridor ?
8 hours ?
8 hours of air drafts under doors and into a corridor would be enough for virus transmission.
Was he wearing a mask ?
It would click to his clothing.
He would need to be dressed like those covid testers.
and take the same precautions undressing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Melbourne hotel quarantine worker who caught COVID is ‘a model employee’, Premier Daniel Andrews saysWhen someone has the virus and we know transmission can be airborne, could the quarantine worker have collected the virus on his clothes during the time in the corridor, then got onto his hands, then face?
Air drafts from under doors move more air than people realise I think.
How long was he working in the corridor ?
8 hours ?
8 hours of air drafts under doors and into a corridor would be enough for virus transmission.
Was he wearing a mask ?
It would click to his clothing.
He would need to be dressed like those covid testers.
and take the same precautions undressing.
I can’t imagine him wearing it 8 hours without removing it even just once, you’d need to eat and drink.
It has been established that it was not a requirement and he was not…
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Melbourne hotel quarantine worker who caught COVID is ‘a model employee’, Premier Daniel Andrews saysWhen someone has the virus and we know transmission can be airborne, could the quarantine worker have collected the virus on his clothes during the time in the corridor, then got onto his hands, then face?
Air drafts from under doors move more air than people realise I think.
How long was he working in the corridor ?
8 hours ?
8 hours of air drafts under doors and into a corridor would be enough for virus transmission.
Was he wearing a mask ?
It would click to his clothing.
He would need to be dressed like those covid testers.
and take the same precautions undressing.
I can’t imagine him wearing it 8 hours without removing it even just once, you’d need to eat and drink.
An alternative is looking at CCTV from somewhere else.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The vaccination timetable is to have everyone done by Spring I think.
Then reopen society and hope it worked, I mean it should but you’d want to be pretty damn sure they can’t get infected and restart everything.
Steady decline in new cases this year in UK and USA.
I guess death numbers will follow the down trend real soon now.
I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can out up with lockdowns and restrictions.
Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a bid second wave late last year. Lockdowns quickly brough the numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
furious said:
- Was he wearing a mask ?
It has been established that it was not a requirement and he was not…
Well its been established that he got it.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Then reopen society and hope it worked, I mean it should but you’d want to be pretty damn sure they can’t get infected and restart everything.
Steady decline in new cases this year in UK and USA.
I guess death numbers will follow the down trend real soon now.
I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can out up with lockdowns and restrictions.
Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a bid second wave late last year. Lockdowns quickly brough the numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
France and Spain both had more cases than the UK yesterday, at least according to worldmeters.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Then reopen society and hope it worked, I mean it should but you’d want to be pretty damn sure they can’t get infected and restart everything.
Steady decline in new cases this year in UK and USA.
I guess death numbers will follow the down trend real soon now.
I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can
outup with lockdowns and restrictions.Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a
bidsecond wave late last year. Lockdowns quicklybroughthe numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
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sibeen said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Steady decline in new cases this year in UK and USA.
I guess death numbers will follow the down trend real soon now.
I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can out up with lockdowns and restrictions.
Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a bid second wave late last year. Lockdowns quickly brough the numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
France and Spain both had more cases than the UK yesterday, at least according to worldmeters.
Yes. Spain are in the midst of a third wave right now.
Tau.Neutrino said:
furious said:
- Was he wearing a mask ?
It has been established that it was not a requirement and he was not…
Well its been established that he got it.
How many times were the doors opened to people under quarantine ?
They get food delivered etc
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Then reopen society and hope it worked, I mean it should but you’d want to be pretty damn sure they can’t get infected and restart everything.
Steady decline in new cases this year in UK and USA.
I guess death numbers will follow the down trend real soon now.
I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can out up with lockdowns and restrictions.
Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a bid second wave late last year. Lockdowns quickly brough the numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
in the first wave that was because of testing saturation but we’ll have to see
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Steady decline in new cases this year in UK and USA.
I guess death numbers will follow the down trend real soon now.
I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can out up with lockdowns and restrictions.
Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a bid second wave late last year. Lockdowns quickly brough the numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
in the first wave that was because of testing saturation but we’ll have to see
No. the first wave was because people were catching Covid and passing it on. So was the second wave.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can out up with lockdowns and restrictions.
Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a bid second wave late last year. Lockdowns quickly brough the numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
in the first wave that was because of testing saturation but we’ll have to see
No. the first wave was because people were catching Covid and passing it on. So was the second wave.
sure, we re read, you mean after dropping, yes
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:SCIENCE said:party_pants said:I think they have got months to go still, a lot depends upon how long the population can out up with lockdowns and restrictions.Interesting pattern in France and Italy. They had a bid second wave late last year. Lockdowns quickly brough the numbers down after the peak but only up to a point. After dropping sharply they seemed to level off and have been steady for some weeks, still at the worrying high level but not really improving or getting worse.
in the first wave that was because of testing saturation but we’ll have to see
No. the first wave was because people were catching Covid and passing it on. So was the second wave.
sure, we re read, you mean after dropping, yes
isn’t suppressing pests like an infection and then letting them spread again before they’re completely gone, the best way to ensure that resistant / higher spread strains develop
that’s what the so called experts told us about antibiotics right, that’s what Charles told us about all kinds of things
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coronavirus-toughing-out-covid-why-australia-chose-not-to-fracture-during-a-once-in-a-century-crisis?CMP=soc_567
Toughing out Covid: how Australia’s social fabric held together during a once-in-a-century crisis
While the US and UK battled resurgent nativism, Australians met the health and economic challenges of the coronavirus pandemic with resilience and optimism – and strong support for multiculturalism
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coronavirus-toughing-out-covid-why-australia-chose-not-to-fracture-during-a-once-in-a-century-crisis?CMP=soc_567Toughing out Covid: how Australia’s social fabric held together during a once-in-a-century crisis
While the US and UK battled resurgent nativism, Australians met the health and economic challenges of the coronavirus pandemic with resilience and optimism – and strong support for multiculturalism
Maybe we are not just clones of the US or Britain.
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coronavirus-toughing-out-covid-why-australia-chose-not-to-fracture-during-a-once-in-a-century-crisis?CMP=soc_567Toughing out Covid: how Australia’s social fabric held together during a once-in-a-century crisis
While the US and UK battled resurgent nativism, Australians met the health and economic challenges of the coronavirus pandemic with resilience and optimism – and strong support for multiculturalism
Maybe we are not just clones of the US or Britain.
Maybe our close living areas are not as close living as the US or Britain, and perhaps we are a generally healthier population. We do have fresh air and sunshine and the first wave started as we moved out of Summer into Autumn, so we were all at our Vit D maximum for the year (not only good for strong bones, also good for the immune system). There are many, many confounding factors. The US had Trump fever to deal with too.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coronavirus-toughing-out-covid-why-australia-chose-not-to-fracture-during-a-once-in-a-century-crisis?CMP=soc_567Toughing out Covid: how Australia’s social fabric held together during a once-in-a-century crisis
While the US and UK battled resurgent nativism, Australians met the health and economic challenges of the coronavirus pandemic with resilience and optimism – and strong support for multiculturalism
Maybe we are not just clones of the US or Britain.
Maybe our close living areas are not as close living as the US or Britain, and perhaps we are a generally healthier population. We do have fresh air and sunshine and the first wave started as we moved out of Summer into Autumn, so we were all at our Vit D maximum for the year (not only good for strong bones, also good for the immune system). There are many, many confounding factors. The US had Trump fever to deal with too.
We might be less selfish in regards to lock downs and just do it instead of protesting as some right to act like a prat
buffy said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coronavirus-toughing-out-covid-why-australia-chose-not-to-fracture-during-a-once-in-a-century-crisis?CMP=soc_567Toughing out Covid: how Australia’s social fabric held together during a once-in-a-century crisis
While the US and UK battled resurgent nativism, Australians met the health and economic challenges of the coronavirus pandemic with resilience and optimism – and strong support for multiculturalism
Maybe we are not just clones of the US or Britain.
Maybe our close living areas are not as close living as the US or Britain, and perhaps we are a generally healthier population. We do have fresh air and sunshine and the first wave started as we moved out of Summer into Autumn, so we were all at our Vit D maximum for the year (not only good for strong bones, also good for the immune system). There are many, many confounding factors. The US had Trump fever to deal with too.
North America is just as large and addicted to suburban sprawl as we are.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Maybe we are not just clones of the US or Britain.
Maybe our close living areas are not as close living as the US or Britain, and perhaps we are a generally healthier population. We do have fresh air and sunshine and the first wave started as we moved out of Summer into Autumn, so we were all at our Vit D maximum for the year (not only good for strong bones, also good for the immune system). There are many, many confounding factors. The US had Trump fever to deal with too.
North America is just as large and addicted to suburban sprawl as we are.
I think preferential voting has served us well.
surely it’s because we have kangaroos
anyway
ever the pessimist
dv said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Maybe our close living areas are not as close living as the US or Britain, and perhaps we are a generally healthier population. We do have fresh air and sunshine and the first wave started as we moved out of Summer into Autumn, so we were all at our Vit D maximum for the year (not only good for strong bones, also good for the immune system). There are many, many confounding factors. The US had Trump fever to deal with too.
North America is just as large and addicted to suburban sprawl as we are.
I think preferential voting has served us well.
I’m guessing that first past the post like in the UK would favour the coalition?
SCIENCE said:
anyway
ever the pessimist
Never heard of him. Does check out. Epidemiologist.
https://www.dlsph.utoronto.ca/faculty-profile/fisman-david-n/
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
party_pants said:North America is just as large and addicted to suburban sprawl as we are.
I think preferential voting has served us well.
I’m guessing that first past the post like in the UK would favour the coalition?
Most of the time, probably not.
Marion Rouse, 73, succumbed to the coronavirus on Jan. 11 at Roberta Place, a long-term care home in Barrie, north of Toronto. A new variant of the COVID-19 virus first detected in Britain and now in several other countries, including Canada, is behind the devastating outbreak at Roberta Place.
Growing evidence that the highly contagious and easily transmitted British variant has spread into the local community in Barrie and beyond is forcing public-health officials to re-examine what constitutes a close contact while revamping efforts to identify, manage and assess those who have been exposed to the virus.
In just three weeks, the outbreak at Roberta Place linked to one case of international travel has infected all but one of the home’s 129 residents. Another eight residents died over the weekend, bringing the toll to 61.
A spokeswoman for Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott said on Sunday that the government has provided interim guidance to the province’s public-health units for screening and tracing contacts of cases associated with COVID-19 variants of concern.
“This guidance does include a lower threshold for classifying contacts as high risk of exposure and requiring quarantine,” Alexandra Hilkene said in an e-mail.
Following confirmation of the variant, the Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit has shortened the exposure time to as little as a second if individuals were not wearing face masks.
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nah surely you’re safe if it’s only 15 minutes, and the masks they do nothing
SCIENCE said:
They need to ask people and the ones who denied it, supplied it
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
They need to ask people and the ones who smelt it, dealt it
ah the silent but deadly quiet Australians
looks like children are safe from herd immunity after all
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/01/joy-isle-of-man-covid-lockdown-ends
The Isle of Man brought in a “circuit-breaker” lockdown on 7 January following a cluster of Covid cases. On Monday, the restrictions were lifted after the government declared no community transmission was taking place.
Key points:
Experts insist Australia must “take aerosol transmission seriously”
They say cases of COVID-19 will continue to escape the hotel quarantine system if the advice does not change
Victorian authorities say there was “no breach of protocol” by a hotel quarantine worker who tested positive for the disease
—
The worker was not breaching protocol, the government was breaching protocol.
Not wearing a mask in a covid environment over 8 working hours, with doors being opened and dirty air moving around, it gets into the air, you breathe it in, it can get into your eyes and it sticks to your clothing.
and air moves continuously under doors.
Wake up State Governments!
Tau.Neutrino said:
Experts say ‘clearly aerosol transmission’ of COVID-19 is the gap in Australia’s hotel quarantine systemKey points:
Experts insist Australia must “take aerosol transmission seriously”
They say cases of COVID-19 will continue to escape the hotel quarantine system if the advice does not change
Victorian authorities say there was “no breach of protocol” by a hotel quarantine worker who tested positive for the disease
—
The worker was not breaching protocol, the government was breaching protocol.
Not wearing a mask in a covid environment over 8 working hours, with doors being opened and dirty air moving around, it gets into the air, you breathe it in, it can get into your eyes and it sticks to your clothing.
and air moves continuously under doors.
Wake up State Governments!
It’s still a work in progress isn’t it.
Covid is killing Native Americans at a faster rate than any other community in the United States, shocking new figures reveal.
American Indians and Alaskan Natives are dying at almost twice the rate of white Americans, according to analysis by APM Research Lab shared exclusively with the Guardian.
Nationwide one in every 475 Native Americans has died from Covid since the start of the pandemic, compared with one in every 825 white Americans and one in every 645 Black Americans. Native Americans have suffered 211 deaths per 100,000 people, compared with 121 white Americans per 100,000.
The true death toll is undoubtedly significantly higher as multiple states and cities provide patchy or no data on Native Americans lost to Covid. Of those that do, communities in Mississippi, New Mexico, Arizona, Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas have been the hardest hit.
The findings are part of the Lab’s Color of Coronavirus project, and provide the clearest evidence to date that Indian Country has suffered terribly and disproportionately during the first year of the deadly coronavirus pandemic.
more…+ graphs…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/04/native-americans-coronavirus-covid-death-rate
https://www.facebook.com/senatorpennywong/videos/1373839016302588
Official from the DHHS: There were zero new locally acquired cases reported yesterday in Victoria. There are three new cases in hotel quarantine.
REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-national-cabinet/13122610
Looks like we’ve also got someone with the highly infectious strain who hasn’t spread it around despite moving about in the community. Curious.
buffy said:
Official from the DHHS: There were zero new locally acquired cases reported yesterday in Victoria. There are three new cases in hotel quarantine.REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-05/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-national-cabinet/13122610
Looks like we’ve also got someone with the highly infectious strain who hasn’t spread it around despite moving about in the community. Curious.
imagine if infection control measures actually worked
So the vaccine grab by the wealthy affluent nations, should it be allowed (probably can’t stop them if they have ready cash) or at least discouraged and the poorer at higher or similar risk nations also get the same access so they can vaccinate people and not just barely get by which is what seems to be happening.
Cymek said:
So the vaccine grab by the wealthy affluent nations, should it be allowed (probably can’t stop them if they have ready cash) or at least discouraged and the poorer at higher or similar risk nations also get the same access so they can vaccinate people and not just barely get by which is what seems to be happening.
idealist
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
So the vaccine grab by the wealthy affluent nations, should it be allowed (probably can’t stop them if they have ready cash) or at least discouraged and the poorer at higher or similar risk nations also get the same access so they can vaccinate people and not just barely get by which is what seems to be happening.idealist
Perhaps, its not unexpected but would be nice to prioritise everyone who vulnerable world wide and the rest of us wait.
There’s an EU (Austrian/French) vaccine company that is developing a covid vaccine, they have a plant in the UK, the UK paid to expand that plant and did their trials for them. In return the UK will get the first 100 million jabs if/when it’s all good to go.
The EU is furious.
Cymek said:
So the vaccine grab by the wealthy affluent nations, should it be allowed (probably can’t stop them if they have ready cash) or at least discouraged and the poorer at higher or similar risk nations also get the same access so they can vaccinate people and not just barely get by which is what seems to be happening.
COVAX.
Peak Warming Man said:
There’s an EU (Austrian/French) vaccine company that is developing a covid vaccine, they have a plant in the UK, the UK paid to expand that plant and did their trials for them. In return the UK will get the first 100 million jabs if/when it’s all good to go.
The EU is furious.
You need to stop reading the Daily Express.
Cymek said:
So the vaccine grab by the wealthy affluent nations, should it be allowed (probably can’t stop them if they have ready cash) or at least discouraged and the poorer at higher or similar risk nations also get the same access so they can vaccinate people and not just barely get by which is what seems to be happening.
I think it’s being divvied up pretty evenly, actually. We are all taking it in turns.
1 for me, 1 for you, 2 for me, none for you, three for me, 1 for you, four for me, 1 for you. That’s taking it in turns isn’t it? To divvy it all up?
nah actually health officials, saying greater immunity is the goal, aren’t standing in the way
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/us/covid-vaccines-crossing-states.html
‘Vaccine Hunters’ Cross State Lines in Search of Shots
SCIENCE said:
I posted a link last night about covid cases in the states by ethnic groupings. It is hitting some indigenous groups really hard.
sarahs mum said:
Covid is killing Native Americans at a faster rate than any other community in the United States, shocking new figures reveal.American Indians and Alaskan Natives are dying at almost twice the rate of white Americans, according to analysis by APM Research Lab shared exclusively with the Guardian.
Nationwide one in every 475 Native Americans has died from Covid since the start of the pandemic, compared with one in every 825 white Americans and one in every 645 Black Americans. Native Americans have suffered 211 deaths per 100,000 people, compared with 121 white Americans per 100,000.
The true death toll is undoubtedly significantly higher as multiple states and cities provide patchy or no data on Native Americans lost to Covid. Of those that do, communities in Mississippi, New Mexico, Arizona, Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas have been the hardest hit.
The findings are part of the Lab’s Color of Coronavirus project, and provide the clearest evidence to date that Indian Country has suffered terribly and disproportionately during the first year of the deadly coronavirus pandemic.
more…+ graphs…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/04/native-americans-coronavirus-covid-death-rate
this story.
Divine Angel said:
No wonder, the poet is still in Withywindle.
Imagine if saving lives was good for The Economy Must Grow
CLSA found in December that Australia’s suppression of the coronavirus was likely to have had a more significant impact on tourists and students than political messaging.
Divine Angel said:
It seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.
(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.
(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
Twitter AI suppressed a poem.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.
(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
Twitter AI suppressed a poem.
how did the poem end though
it’s not like sedition has never been disguised as cultural heritage or artistic innocence
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.
(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
The poem mentions conspiracy theories. The idea is to stop talking about them. You blokes are just as bad sharing all the memes and etcetera.
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.
(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
Twitter AI suppressed a poem.
how did the poem end though
it’s not like sedition has never been disguised as cultural heritage or artistic innocence
That’s the last line in blue isn’t it?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
It seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.
(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
Twitter AI suppressed a poem.
That’s why I’m suggesting it is none too bright.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.
(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
Twitter AI suppressed a poem.
That’s why I’m suggesting it is none too bright.
AI can only learn from you and I. Take that how you will.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Twitter AI suppressed a poem.
how did the poem end though
it’s not like sedition has never been disguised as cultural heritage or artistic innocence
That’s the last line in blue isn’t it?
so was it suppressed or was it not
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:how did the poem end though
it’s not like sedition has never been disguised as cultural heritage or artistic innocence
That’s the last line in blue isn’t it?
so was it suppressed or was it not
this be the question.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:how did the poem end though
it’s not like sedition has never been disguised as cultural heritage or artistic innocence
That’s the last line in blue isn’t it?
so was it suppressed or was it not
The line in blue is the punchline.
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That’s the last line in blue isn’t it?
so was it suppressed or was it not
The line in blue is the punchline.
and it is not the part that caused the bot to lock it.
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That’s the last line in blue isn’t it?
so was it suppressed or was it not
The line in blue is the punchline.
:)
That is very clever – to recognise that the twitter Auto-Information Line was a potential last line for a limerick.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:SCIENCE said:Tau.Neutrino said:The Rev Dodgson said:how did the poem end thoughIt seems the Twitter AI is none too bright.(Or maybe it is and I’m not).
Twitter AI suppressed a poem.
it’s not like sedition has never been disguised as cultural heritage or artistic innocence
That’s the last line in blue isn’t it?
so was it suppressed or was it not
The line in blue is the punchline.
:)
That is very clever – to recognise that the twitter Auto-Information Line was a potential last line for a limerick.
so they lied and actually Twitter expressed a poem
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Divine Angel said:The line in blue is the punchline.
:)
That is very clever – to recognise that the twitter Auto-Information Line was a potential last line for a limerick.
so they lied and actually Twitter expressed a poem
Maybe but where’s the proof?
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:so was it suppressed or was it not
The line in blue is the punchline.
:)
That is very clever – to recognise that the twitter Auto-Information Line was a potential last line for a limerick.
Very tidy work.
“rare”
⚠ and obviously superior genetics at play, exceptional genetics, keep that shit open
In a phenomenon that is worrying paediatricians, 75% of the children worst affected by paediatric inflammatory multi-system syndrome (PIMS) were black, Asian or ethnic minority (BAME). Almost four out of five children were previously healthy, according to an unpublished snapshot of cases.
Whittaker said parents should not be alarmed by the surge in hospitalisations because the recent incidence of PIMS is proportionate to the pandemic’s greater impact on adults over recent weeks. “PIMS can be very serious. But we have seen fewer seriously unwell children because there is earlier recognition and earlier treatment,” she said.
“It remains rare, and we don’t think parents should worry, as it is far more likely not to affect their child than to affect them. The numbers are low and would not be a reason to keep schools from opening. The median age is nine years. We would not close playgrounds.”
SCIENCE said:
“rare”
⚠ and obviously superior genetics at play, exceptional genetics, keep that shit openUp to 100 UK children a week hospitalised with rare post-Covid disease
In a phenomenon that is worrying paediatricians, 75% of the children worst affected by paediatric inflammatory multi-system syndrome (PIMS) were black, Asian or ethnic minority (BAME). Almost four out of five children were previously healthy, according to an unpublished snapshot of cases.
Whittaker said parents should not be alarmed by the surge in hospitalisations because the recent incidence of PIMS is proportionate to the pandemic’s greater impact on adults over recent weeks. “PIMS can be very serious. But we have seen fewer seriously unwell children because there is earlier recognition and earlier treatment,” she said.
“It remains rare, and we don’t think parents should worry, as it is far more likely not to affect their child than to affect them. The numbers are low and would not be a reason to keep schools from opening. The median age is nine years. We would not close playgrounds.”
oh don’t worry we take that back the WHO CIOMS would happily assign the descriptor “rare”, 1 in 10000 children getting rekt is an acceptable price to pay for The Economy Must Grow
think of all that economic activity involved in providing care for dying children which we wouldn’t otherwise be able to spend big on
⚠ this post may contain satirical elements
in contrast the communists at the RACGP suggest a different phrase as well as a usual incidence of maybe 1/3 (?) what was seen
SCIENCE said:
“rare”
⚠ and obviously superior genetics at play, exceptional genetics, keep that shit openUp to 100 UK children a week hospitalised with rare post-Covid disease
In a phenomenon that is worrying paediatricians, 75% of the children worst affected by paediatric inflammatory multi-system syndrome (PIMS) were black, Asian or ethnic minority (BAME). Almost four out of five children were previously healthy, according to an unpublished snapshot of cases.
Whittaker said parents should not be alarmed by the surge in hospitalisations because the recent incidence of PIMS is proportionate to the pandemic’s greater impact on adults over recent weeks. “PIMS can be very serious. But we have seen fewer seriously unwell children because there is earlier recognition and earlier treatment,” she said.
“It remains rare, and we don’t think parents should worry, as it is far more likely not to affect their child than to affect them. The numbers are low and would not be a reason to keep schools from opening. The median age is nine years. We would not close playgrounds.”
Basically, it looks like the UK has no intention of getting rid of COVID-19; their strategy is some restrictions and vaccination.
Michael V said:
Basically, it looks like the UK has no intention of getting rid of COVID-19; their strategy is some restrictions and vaccination.
The Brits have done an absolutely shithouse, piss-poor, half-arsed effort to try to limit the spread of the disease ever since it was first detected.
Even now, when they’re still dying of it at the rate of about 1,000 per day, The British are ‘aghast’ at the idea of hotel quarantine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/uk-residents-rage-over-australiastyle-hotel-quarantine-plans/news-story/831302af4bebc303c2b7b573067fb3bb
Gawd ‘elp ‘em, ‘cos they can’t ‘elp themselves.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Basically, it looks like the UK has no intention of getting rid of COVID-19; their strategy is some restrictions and vaccination.
The Brits have done an absolutely shithouse, piss-poor, half-arsed effort to try to limit the spread of the disease ever since it was first detected.
Even now, when they’re still dying of it at the rate of about 1,000 per day, The British are ‘aghast’ at the idea of hotel quarantine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/uk-residents-rage-over-australiastyle-hotel-quarantine-plans/news-story/831302af4bebc303c2b7b573067fb3bb
Gawd ‘elp ‘em, ‘cos they can’t ‘elp themselves.
I think there might be some merit to the argument that the virus is so entrenched in the community that restricting international arrivals would be ineffective given the horse has already well and truly bolted.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Basically, it looks like the UK has no intention of getting rid of COVID-19; their strategy is some restrictions and vaccination.
The Brits have done an absolutely shithouse, piss-poor, half-arsed effort to try to limit the spread of the disease ever since it was first detected.
Even now, when they’re still dying of it at the rate of about 1,000 per day, The British are ‘aghast’ at the idea of hotel quarantine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/uk-residents-rage-over-australiastyle-hotel-quarantine-plans/news-story/831302af4bebc303c2b7b573067fb3bb
Gawd ‘elp ‘em, ‘cos they can’t ‘elp themselves.
I think there might be some merit to the argument that the virus is so entrenched in the community that restricting international arrivals would be ineffective given the horse has already well and truly bolted.
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:The Brits have done an absolutely shithouse, piss-poor, half-arsed effort to try to limit the spread of the disease ever since it was first detected.
Even now, when they’re still dying of it at the rate of about 1,000 per day, The British are ‘aghast’ at the idea of hotel quarantine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/uk-residents-rage-over-australiastyle-hotel-quarantine-plans/news-story/831302af4bebc303c2b7b573067fb3bb
Gawd ‘elp ‘em, ‘cos they can’t ‘elp themselves.
I think there might be some merit to the argument that the virus is so entrenched in the community that restricting international arrivals would be ineffective given the horse has already well and truly bolted.
It might limit the spread of other strains.
That’s true.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Basically, it looks like the UK has no intention of getting rid of COVID-19; their strategy is some restrictions and vaccination.
The Brits have done an absolutely shithouse, piss-poor, half-arsed effort to try to limit the spread of the disease ever since it was first detected.
Even now, when they’re still dying of it at the rate of about 1,000 per day, The British are ‘aghast’ at the idea of hotel quarantine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/uk-residents-rage-over-australiastyle-hotel-quarantine-plans/news-story/831302af4bebc303c2b7b573067fb3bb
Gawd ‘elp ‘em, ‘cos they can’t ‘elp themselves.
Yes. (sigh)
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Basically, it looks like the UK has no intention of getting rid of COVID-19; their strategy is some restrictions and vaccination.
The Brits have done an absolutely shithouse, piss-poor, half-arsed effort to try to limit the spread of the disease ever since it was first detected.
Even now, when they’re still dying of it at the rate of about 1,000 per day, The British are ‘aghast’ at the idea of hotel quarantine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/uk-residents-rage-over-australiastyle-hotel-quarantine-plans/news-story/831302af4bebc303c2b7b573067fb3bb
Gawd ‘elp ‘em, ‘cos they can’t ‘elp themselves.
Unfortunately there is some doubt over whether Gawd exists. So they might be on their own with just the tory party to lead them.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Basically, it looks like the UK has no intention of getting rid of COVID-19; their strategy is some restrictions and vaccination.
The Brits have done an absolutely shithouse, piss-poor, half-arsed effort to try to limit the spread of the disease ever since it was first detected.
Even now, when they’re still dying of it at the rate of about 1,000 per day, The British are ‘aghast’ at the idea of hotel quarantine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/uk-residents-rage-over-australiastyle-hotel-quarantine-plans/news-story/831302af4bebc303c2b7b573067fb3bb
Gawd ‘elp ‘em, ‘cos they can’t ‘elp themselves.
Unfortunately there is some doubt over whether Gawd exists. So they might be on their own with just the tory party to lead them.
Yeah, let’s hear it for BoJo the clown.
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.5.210009
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?
The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
Australia Card, anyone?
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
Australia Card, anyone?
Covid Card ?
A bit like Medicare card but with attitude.
All these permits and zones and places you should not go to etc
Places to avoid
Lots of other stuff.
Never mind.
Some app will sort it all out.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/double-face-masks-n95-protect-yourself-against-new-covid-19-variants-with-these-mask-upgrades-11612473349?mod=e2tw
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
Australia Card, anyone?
No Thank you!
ms spock said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/double-face-masks-n95-protect-yourself-against-new-covid-19-variants-with-these-mask-upgrades-11612473349?mod=e2tw
‘scription only.
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
I doubt that. even if that is true you will most likely need to be vaccinated each year or so as new strains come out.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What is the possibility the government will bring out vaccination cards of some kind when all these variants get complicated?The card might hold tick boxes of which strain vaccination you have had and which strain you haven’t been vaccinated against etc.
It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
I doubt that. even if that is true you will most likely need to be vaccinated each year or so as new strains come out.
Might be different as each surgery upgrades to all computer records but I have been told; “you can’t see a doctor here because you aren’t on our list”.
To which I replied, “I’ve been coming here for sixty years”.
“Well you haven’t been here in the last five years so we don’t know who you are”.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
I doubt that. even if that is true you will most likely need to be vaccinated each year or so as new strains come out.
Might be different as each surgery upgrades to all computer records but I have been told; “you can’t see a doctor here because you aren’t on our list”.
To which I replied, “I’ve been coming here for sixty years”.
“Well you haven’t been here in the last five years so we don’t know who you are”.
I had a devil of a time finding a new Doctor. Each new surgery I rang said their lists were full.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:I doubt that. even if that is true you will most likely need to be vaccinated each year or so as new strains come out.
Might be different as each surgery upgrades to all computer records but I have been told; “you can’t see a doctor here because you aren’t on our list”.
To which I replied, “I’ve been coming here for sixty years”.
“Well you haven’t been here in the last five years so we don’t know who you are”.
I had a devil of a time finding a new Doctor. Each new surgery I rang said their lists were full.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
They’re all on computer now.
exactly.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
They’re all on computer now.
Sounds like a job for universal health records!
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
I doubt that. even if that is true you will most likely need to be vaccinated each year or so as new strains come out.
I have to keep patient records for 7 years after last contact with the patient, or until the patient reaches the age of 25 years. I will have some records here for some years yet. I’m presently working on shredding those of the patients who have not attended the practice since 2013. Oh, and I have to record the name, date of birth and period covered by the record before I shred it. (I suppose that would be delete it in other people’s more modern systems)
What happened to that plan of freely sharing health records between practices?
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Might be different as each surgery upgrades to all computer records but I have been told; “you can’t see a doctor here because you aren’t on our list”.
To which I replied, “I’ve been coming here for sixty years”.
“Well you haven’t been here in the last five years so we don’t know who you are”.
I had a devil of a time finding a new Doctor. Each new surgery I rang said their lists were full.
Our local doctor died. Made a bit of a problem for a while.
How inconsiderate!
Bubblecar said:
What happened to that plan of freely sharing health records between practices?
A multitude of different practice programs, not compatible with each other. At a guess.
>>Whether a doctor is required to retain patient records depends on the law in the relevant state or territory. For example, in the ACT, NSW and Victoria, privacy law requires a health service provider to keep records for 7 years or, in the case of a child, until the child turns 25. For more information about state and territory privacy laws, see Privacy in Your State.<<
From: https://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/health-information/access-your-health-information/
There is a link to the states:
https://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-in-your-state/
Bubblecar said:
What happened to that plan of freely sharing health records between practices?
All vaccination records are required to be uploaded to the Australian Immunisation Register (AIR).
If you have a my health record, you should be able to have your records follow you wherever you go. The main issue is certain practices not uploading data to your record.
Bubblecar said:
ms spock said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/double-face-masks-n95-protect-yourself-against-new-covid-19-variants-with-these-mask-upgrades-11612473349?mod=e2tw
‘scription only.
Not here! That is weird.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
What happened to that plan of freely sharing health records between practices?
I think that’s happening in Qld.
I have my blood test in Ravenshoe. The Path lab in Atherton hospital analyses the blood and Cairns hospital notifies me of the results.
I don’t think that is any different from pre computer. Results of tests have always been sent to the GP or specialist who ordered the tests, and when requesting the tests I’m pretty sure they have always been able to ask for copies to go to specialists etc.
That’s because the graph really reflects two epidemics: one, shrinking fast, that’s caused by older variants of SARS-CoV-2, and a smaller, slowly growing outbreak of B.1.1.7, the variant first recognized in England and now driving a big third wave of the pandemic there. If B.1.1.7 keeps spreading at the same pace in Denmark, it will become the dominant variant later this month and cause the overall number of cases to rise again, despite the lockdown, Holten Møller says. “It is a complete game changer.”
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/danish-scientists-see-tough-times-ahead-they-watch-more-contagious-covid-19-virus-surge
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
What happened to that plan of freely sharing health records between practices?
I think that’s happening in Qld.
I have my blood test in Ravenshoe. The Path lab in Atherton hospital analyses the blood and Cairns hospital notifies me of the results.
When I went to hospital they seemed to know nothing about me, including what medications I’m on etc.
I had assumed that sort of information would be available to them on computer from my GP records.
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:It will be in your health record which vaccines you have had.
They chuck them out ecvery five years.. the health records.
I doubt that. even if that is true you will most likely need to be vaccinated each year or so as new strains come out.
I thought they had to keep them for 7 years.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
What happened to that plan of freely sharing health records between practices?
I think that’s happening in Qld.
I have my blood test in Ravenshoe. The Path lab in Atherton hospital analyses the blood and Cairns hospital notifies me of the results.
When I went to hospital they seemed to know nothing about me, including what medications I’m on etc.
I had assumed that sort of information would be available to them on computer from my GP records.
If you have an up to date my health record, it is. Whether or not they looked is another thing.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:I doubt that. even if that is true you will most likely need to be vaccinated each year or so as new strains come out.
Might be different as each surgery upgrades to all computer records but I have been told; “you can’t see a doctor here because you aren’t on our list”.
To which I replied, “I’ve been coming here for sixty years”.
“Well you haven’t been here in the last five years so we don’t know who you are”.
I had a devil of a time finding a new Doctor. Each new surgery I rang said their lists were full.
Anyway, they lost me as a customer. I go to a different surgeru now.
buffy said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
What happened to that plan of freely sharing health records between practices?
I think that’s happening in Qld.
I have my blood test in Ravenshoe. The Path lab in Atherton hospital analyses the blood and Cairns hospital notifies me of the results.I don’t think that is any different from pre computer. Results of tests have always been sent to the GP or specialist who ordered the tests, and when requesting the tests I’m pretty sure they have always been able to ask for copies to go to specialists etc.
Tamb said:
buffy said:
Tamb said:I think that’s happening in Qld.
I have my blood test in Ravenshoe. The Path lab in Atherton hospital analyses the blood and Cairns hospital notifies me of the results.I don’t think that is any different from pre computer. Results of tests have always been sent to the GP or specialist who ordered the tests, and when requesting the tests I’m pretty sure they have always been able to ask for copies to go to specialists etc.
Now though the Atherton results are placed directly into the Qld Health system & are thus available for all authorised persons.
So at some point you have OKd that with My Health Record, I’d guess.
buffy said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:I don’t think that is any different from pre computer. Results of tests have always been sent to the GP or specialist who ordered the tests, and when requesting the tests I’m pretty sure they have always been able to ask for copies to go to specialists etc.
Now though the Atherton results are placed directly into the Qld Health system & are thus available for all authorised persons.So at some point you have OKd that with My Health Record, I’d guess.
How long does Covid19 last in a lift?
Tau.Neutrino said:
How long does Covid19 last in a lift?
Days and days and days.
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How long does Covid19 last in a lift?Days and days and days.
Actually, that’s a fib. I just don’t know.
:-)~P
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How long does Covid19 last in a lift?Days and days and days.
Actually, that’s a fib. I just don’t know.
:-)~P
Actually, it would depend on whether Bubblecar was in there cooking a spitting egg or not.
Tau.Neutrino said:
How long does Covid19 last in a lift?
How long is a piece of string?
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How long does Covid19 last in a lift?How long is a piece of string?
I have lots of pieces of string. They are all too short to use. But I’m sure, one day, I will need such a piece.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Days and days and days.
Actually, that’s a fib. I just don’t know.
:-)~P
Actually, it would depend on whether Bubblecar was in there cooking a spitting egg or not.
:)
oooh do we hear delayed quarantine leaks
Health Minister Greg Hunt says the vaccine developed by Oxford University is showing “very significant results”, despite researchers saying it offers limited protection against the South African variant of COVID-19.
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light, gas, autism
Good Gold Standard Plan
Good news. Lowest daily new cases since Oct 13, 2020.
Fingers crossed.
mollwollfumble said:
Good news. Lowest daily new cases since Oct 13, 2020.
Fingers crossed.
I wouldn’t count on it, the weekend tallies have always been flaky.
mollwollfumble said:
Good news. Lowest daily new cases since Oct 13, 2020.
Fingers crossed.
> I wouldn’t count on it, the weekend tallies have always been flaky.
Agree. Particularly in Mexico and Brazil, see below.
Other statistiucs.
8% of all the people in the USA have had Covid.
Overall for all of time 1.7% mortality rate for Covid – wow, that’s a huge drop in mortality rate since last time I looked.
Daily new cases in the USA.
Daily new cases in Brazil. 4.5% of population have had Covid, 2.4% ‘all of time’ mortality rate.
Daily new cases for Mexico. 1.5% of population have had Covid, 8.6% ‘all of time’ mortality rate.
Daily new cases for India. 0.8% of population have had Covid, 1.4% ‘all of time’ mortality rate.
Daily new cases for UK. 5.8% of population have had Covid. 2.8% ‘all of time’ mortality rate.
Why wait for a BIG PHARMA vaccine with 5G chips when…
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/niQ3heWwF6SydhS7R/making-vaccine
poikilotherm said:
Why wait for a BIG PHARMA vaccine with 5G chips when…https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/niQ3heWwF6SydhS7R/making-vaccine
Hmm. I’m not that much of an enthusiast, so I’ll with stick BP.
with stick BP = stick with BP
50 million litres of beer to be chucked out in the UK because of lockdown. With the pubs shut for an extended period of time the beer stocks are getting to the end of their use-by date.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55927676
Washington (CNN)Republican Rep. Ron Wright of Texas has died, his congressional office announced in a statement Monday, saying that he had been admitted to the hospital after contracting Covid-19.
“Congressman Ron Wright passed away peacefully at the age of 67 on Feb. 7, 2021. His wife Susan was by his side and he is now in the presence of their Lord and Savior,” the statement read. “For the previous two weeks, Ron and Susan had been admitted to Baylor Hospital in Dallas after contracting COVID-19.”
Wright is the first sitting member of Congress to die after contracting Covid. In December, Congressman-elect Luke Letlow died after being diagnosed with the disease.
President Joe Biden said in a statement Monday that Wright was “a fighter who battled bravely against both cancer and COVID-19, diseases that our nation will continue working tirelessly every day to defeat in the memory of all those we have lost.”
“Our prayers are with Ron’s wife, Susan, their three children, and their nine grandchildren,” Biden said.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, also issued a statement with condolences to Wright’s family and lauding the late GOP congressman’s “life of public service to the people of Texas.”
“As we grieve Congressman Wright’s passing, Members of Congress are united in sorrow and pray for the families and loved ones of the over 460,000 Americans who have been killed by the vicious coronavirus,” Pelosi said in her statement. “Each death is a tragedy that breaks our hearts and demands strong, urgent action.”
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So weird for the US to have a president who can do these basic human things
South Dakota and North Dakota have the highest number of cases per capita in the USA, and higher than any country in the world except Andorra, with 1 in 8 people having tested positive with the virus.
This despite (or, in directly, because of) the fact that they are among the states that have conducted the fewest tests per capita.
dv said:
South Dakota and North Dakota have the highest number of cases per capita in the USA, and higher than any country in the world except Andorra, with 1 in 8 people having tested positive with the virus.
This despite (or, in directly, because of) the fact that they are among the states that have conducted the fewest tests per capita.
what the hell Dakotas?
dv said:
South Dakota and North Dakota have the highest number of cases per capita in the USA, and higher than any country in the world except Andorra, with 1 in 8 people having tested positive with the virus.
This despite (or, in directly, because of) the fact that they are among the states that have conducted the fewest tests per capita.
did you check the racial demographics on that one?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
South Dakota and North Dakota have the highest number of cases per capita in the USA, and higher than any country in the world except Andorra, with 1 in 8 people having tested positive with the virus.
This despite (or, in directly, because of) the fact that they are among the states that have conducted the fewest tests per capita.
did you check the racial demographics on that one?
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/new-figures-suggest-russia-had-third-highest-covid-19-death-toll-in-2020-20210209-p570q4.html
ah that explains what the USSA did wrong
Witty Rejoinder said:
new-figures-suggest-russia-had-third-highest-covid-19-death-toll-in-2020
nah they’re lying exaggerating doing it right
prevention is good, make no mistake, but one has to wonder if the danger from these pandemic things is really mostly the zoonotic transmission or is it the excellent exceptional public health responses that need preventing to prevent future disasters
So they’re all linked now, this should be Silver Standard, what does the dictatorship have to say about this hey ¿
Victorian health authorities are investigating suspected coronavirus transmission within the state’s hotel quarantine system, after three cases emerged from the Holiday Inn at Melbourne Airport.
The first case was detected in a female worker who tested positive on Sunday, and a second worker’s positive result was revealed late this afternoon.
A case was also detected today in a returned traveller who had served her 14 days of quarantine at the Holiday Inn before she was released on Sunday.
After hearing about the first positive case in a worker, the returned traveller sought testing and tested positive.
SCIENCE said:
If we understand how this one jumped from bats origin into humans, we can perhaps prevent similar events in the future.prevention is good, make no mistake, but one has to wonder if the danger from these pandemic things is really mostly the zoonotic transmission or is it the
excellentexceptional public health responses that need preventing to prevent future disasters
> zoonotic?
As in from transmission from humans to animals?
Huge concern.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
If we understand how this one jumped from bats origin into humans, we can perhaps prevent similar events in the future.prevention is good, make no mistake, but one has to wonder if the danger from these pandemic things is really mostly the zoonotic transmission or is it the
excellentexceptional public health responses that need preventing to prevent future disasters
> zoonotic?
As in from transmission from humans to animals?
Huge concern.
happens all the time, and usually from our privileged vantage point here we just happily let the serious shithole countries eliminate it before we run into trouble
and then 2020
World Health Organization team in China says COVID-19 probably came from animals, but no evidence it originated in bats
LOL
That’s right, Tennys is bad, blame the venue… you know how COVID-19 supposedly fucks up people’s hearts, causes chronic disease, all kinds of shit ¿ Maybe there’s something in all that.
Sandgren, who last month publicly voiced his frustration with aspects of the quarantine arrangements in Melbourne, lost in the first round of the Australian Open on Tuesday.
He went down to the Australian men’s number one Alex de Minaur 7-5, 6-1, 6-1.
Sandgren said he and the other players who went through hard quarantine did not have enough time to regain the fitness they lost while being unable to train outside of their hotel rooms.
“I’m physically not in shape enough to play with my opponent. My five-set record is pretty good. When I get to a fifth set, I’m in great shape.
“And today I’m tired after an hour and 10 minutes … it’s a bit out of my control, and there’s … other players in the men’s and women’s field that are in the same boat. It’s a hefty number of people, and very good players.
“It’s just kind of a joke of preparation. But yeah, what are you going to do?”
Sandgren made headlines in the build-up to the Australian Open.
He received special clearance to board a charter flight from Los Angeles to Melbourne last month despite testing positive for COVID-19 in November and again in January.
He received an exemption from Australian health authorities, who had assessed his case history.
SCIENCE said:
you know how COVID-19 supposedly fucks up people’s hearts, causes chronic disease, all kinds of shit ¿ Maybe there’s something in all that
Paula Badosa admits coronavirus, hard quarantine robbed her of full fitness at Australian Open
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:No. the first wave was because people were catching Covid and passing it on. So was the second wave.
sure, we re read, you mean after dropping, yes
isn’t suppressing pests like an infection and then letting them spread again before they’re completely gone, the best way to ensure that resistant / higher spread strains develop
that’s what the so called experts told us about antibiotics right, that’s what Charles told us about all kinds of things
“inadvertently”
Thanks to Covid, I’ve learned about two animals I’d never heard of before: pangolin, and civet.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-02-10/covid-coronavirus-tracing-animal-origins-bats-sars-hendra/13081684
Divine Angel said:
Thanks to Covid, I’ve learned about two animals I’d never heard of before: pangolin, and civet.https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-02-10/covid-coronavirus-tracing-animal-origins-bats-sars-hendra/13081684
No special coffee beans for you, then.
No traditional Chinese arthritis medicine, either…
And now for something else completely nuts:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/coronavirus-sweden-banning-masks/13136978
dv said:
Safety first.
20mminutes ago
By Dannielle Maguire
Victoria has recorded two new locally acquired cases in the past reporting period. And a massive 22,000 tests done.
I’m not sure yet if those are the cases that were reported yesterday, but given the reporting period is up to midnight, Tuesday, it’s likely they would be.
Let me get back to you on that.
UPDATE: Yep, those two new cases were reported yesterday.
Health Minister ‘not surprised there are no surprises’ in WHO findings
SCIENCE said:
20mminutes ago
By Dannielle MaguireVictoria has recorded two new locally acquired cases in the past reporting period. And a massive 22,000 tests done.
I’m not sure yet if those are the cases that were reported yesterday, but given the reporting period is up to midnight, Tuesday, it’s likely they would be.
Let me get back to you on that.
UPDATE: Yep, those two new cases were reported yesterday.
What is massive about 22,000? I’m fairly sure Vic has been doing up to 30,000 a day over the last year.
I saw this on the way past yesterday. Just went back to read it properly.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-09/this-is-how-coronavirus-might-become-endemic/13133012
The worlds response to Covid is interesting, it does prove that we can mass motivate ourselves to try and make a difference, should apply it long term to other actions like the environment.
Cymek said:
The worlds response to Covid is interesting, it does prove that we can mass motivate ourselves to try and make a difference, should apply it long term to other actions like the environment.
We could learn yet.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
The worlds response to Covid is interesting, it does prove that we can mass motivate ourselves to try and make a difference, should apply it long term to other actions like the environment.
We could learn yet.
Hopefully
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:coronavirus-might-become-endemic
probably CHINA’s fault
Concerns are raised over anti-vaxxer leaflets being left in letterboxes in the Macedon Ranges and Hume City council areas, north of Melbourne.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-easing-in-nsw-from-friday/13139332
despite the link, the heading is “Face masks to be scrapped …” but really that might not be the best way to express it
surely they’re still useful, just not mandatory
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-easing-in-nsw-from-friday/13139332despite the link, the heading is “Face masks to be scrapped …” but really that might not be the best way to express it
surely they’re still useful, just not mandatory
speaking of poor
“I think success is measured by how many people you’re able to bring in,” she said. “ pretty good at spin, that’s all I’ll say.”
so here’s a Damn Good Idea then … build remote quarantine and repatriate every remaining Real Aussie Battler as soon as possible
“All I know is NSW have welcomed more than half of the during the pandemic,” she said. “Is the system in NSW perfect? No, and I would never boast about it.”
of course not, she never used the Gold Standard words, those were for the Federal Confidence Tricksters to say
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:coronavirus-might-become-endemic
probably CHINA’s fault
Concerns are raised over anti-vaxxer leaflets being left in letterboxes in the Macedon Ranges and Hume City council areas, north of Melbourne.
WE KNEW IT the Australian government are just agents for the CCP they were just protecting HUAWEI and other CHINESE companies from overextending into the local market and losing their capital investments to vandals going around destroying 5G towers
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:coronavirus-might-become-endemic
probably CHINA’s fault
Yep. Too many rabbits in China.
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:coronavirus-might-become-endemic
probably CHINA’s fault
Yep. Too many rabbits in China.
Didn’t they build a wall to keep them out?
buffy said:
I saw this on the way past yesterday. Just went back to read it properly.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-09/this-is-how-coronavirus-might-become-endemic/13133012
i’d expect it could be the better part of decade before the picture of covid stabilizes, the big picture, the global picture, the riskiest part I reckon is the early years of vaccine rollout, as the responsibility is shifted to individuals, the unvaccinated and the vaccinated, because the latter will still be carriers, which lends to informal and formal pressures for thorough vaccination
there will be constant work from here on re corona vaccines, it’s out there now, evolving, plenty hosts to test itself on, be plenty vaccines to test itself against, I can’t see it going away in a hurry
more the vaccines will be to prevent serious illness and death, circulation can be very much reduced, but there won’t be any good-as-elimination globally, not soon, not in the near future, which is going to effect international travel for a long time
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:probably CHINA’s fault
Yep. Too many rabbits in China.
Didn’t they build a wall to keep them out?
It was a very good ad. :)
transition said:
buffy said:
I saw this on the way past yesterday. Just went back to read it properly.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-09/this-is-how-coronavirus-might-become-endemic/13133012
i’d expect it could be the better part of decade before the picture of covid stabilizes, the big picture, the global picture, the riskiest part I reckon is the early years of vaccine rollout, as the responsibility is shifted to individuals, the unvaccinated and the vaccinated, because the latter will still be carriers, which lends to informal and formal pressures for thorough vaccination
there will be constant work from here on re corona vaccines, it’s out there now, evolving, plenty hosts to test itself on, be plenty vaccines to test itself against, I can’t see it going away in a hurry
more the vaccines will be to prevent serious illness and death, circulation can be very much reduced, but there won’t be any good-as-elimination globally, not soon, not in the near future, which is going to effect international travel for a long time
In short; it won’t be going away soon, if ever.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:Yep. Too many rabbits in China.
Didn’t they build a wall to keep them out?
It was a very good ad. :)
Classic.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:probably CHINA’s fault
Concerns are raised over anti-vaxxer leaflets being left in letterboxes in the Macedon Ranges and Hume City council areas, north of Melbourne.
WE KNEW IT the Australian government are just agents for the CCP they were just protecting HUAWEI and other CHINESE companies from overextending into the local market and losing their capital investments to vandals going around destroying 5G towers
Which brings us back to sharp edged eclipses, nice segue bro
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Concerns are raised over anti-vaxxer leaflets being left in letterboxes in the Macedon Ranges and Hume City council areas, north of Melbourne.
WE KNEW IT the Australian government are just agents for the CCP they were just protecting HUAWEI and other CHINESE companies from overextending into the local market and losing their capital investments to vandals going around destroying 5G towers
Which brings us back to sharp edged eclipses, nice segue bro
Musta had too much to drink. Uze bloaks have gone all soft and blurry.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/victoria-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-cases-nebuliser-theory/13140152
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/victoria-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-cases-nebuliser-theory/13140152
Yes that’s a weird one. Apparently nobody knew about the nebuliser beforehand.
Health Minister Martin Foley said text messages had been sent to 34,000 residents of Sunbury warning them about the local exposure sites linked to one of the new positive cases.
He also said a number of “unexpected detections” of coronavirus fragments had shown up in wastewater testing at Coburg and Reservoir.
While there were no known cases in the area, there were a number of close contacts, Mr Foley said.
Coronavirus fragments have also been detected in the Glenroy, Broadmeadows, West Meadows and Roxburgh Park areas, where some of the positive cases live.
The number of mutations in the UK variant took scientists by surprise. Now they think its origins may lie in one person, chronically infected with the virus
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/chronic-infection-uk-coronavirus-variant
good strat’
nah magic bullets always fly slow
SCIENCE said:
nah magic bullets always fly slow
That’s a shocker
captain_spalding said:
True in Russia, and probably elsewhere.
The reason the army wasn’t told was to stop it being publically known. If it was known then the media would have had a field day – for 8 months straight.
UK lockdown appears to be working
dv said:
UK lockdown appears to be working
They are about back to where they were before Christmas. Then they relaxed and opened up for business again. They still have weeks to go before they can lift the lockdown I reckon.
They’ve vaccinated all the old people now.
However they now have the vastly increased costs of looking after a shed load of wrinklies with autism.
Peak Warming Man said:
They’ve vaccinated all the old people now.
However they now have the vastly increased costs of looking after a shed load of wrinklies with autism.
They will be asking for dinner at two in the afternoon now
Peak Warming Man said:
They’ve vaccinated all the old people now.
However they now have the vastly increased costs of looking after a shed load of wrinklies with autism.
ROFL
party_pants said:
dv said:
UK lockdown appears to be working
They are about back to where they were before Christmas. Then they relaxed and opened up for business again. They still have weeks to go before they can lift the lockdown I reckon.
nah it’s the flock immunity
so why is it that VIC is always the one fing it up
“There has been clear and compelling evidence from the start of this pandemic. The Chinese from the get-go basically acknowledged this was aerosol transmission and based on their own experience with SARS.”
no wonder all our authorities have to question the aerosol idea, it was obviously a lie and a cover up by those communists
speaking of lies WTF are these new lies
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/world/double-mask-protection-cdc.html
Wearing a mask — any mask — reduces the risk of infection with the coronavirus, but wearing a more tightly fitted surgical mask, or layering a cloth mask atop a surgical mask, can vastly increase protections to the wearer and others, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Wednesday. New research by the agency shows that transmission of the virus can be reduced by up to 96.5 percent if both an infected individual and an uninfected individual wear tightly fitted surgical masks or a cloth-and-surgical-mask combination. “Any mask is better than none,” said Dr. John Brooks, lead author of the new C.D.C. study. “There are substantial and compelling data that wearing a mask reduces spread, and in communities that adopt mask wearing, new infections go down.”
we thought masks don’t work, and they increase the danger because they’re only ever worn wrongly and people touch their faces through the mask more
SCIENCE said:
speaking of lies WTF are these new lieshttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/world/double-mask-protection-cdc.html
Wearing a mask — any mask — reduces the risk of infection with the coronavirus, but wearing a more tightly fitted surgical mask, or layering a cloth mask atop a surgical mask, can vastly increase protections to the wearer and others, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Wednesday. New research by the agency shows that transmission of the virus can be reduced by up to 96.5 percent if both an infected individual and an uninfected individual wear tightly fitted surgical masks or a cloth-and-surgical-mask combination. “Any mask is better than none,” said Dr. John Brooks, lead author of the new C.D.C. study. “There are substantial and compelling data that wearing a mask reduces spread, and in communities that adopt mask wearing, new infections go down.”
we thought masks don’t work, and they increase the danger because they’re only ever worn wrongly and people touch their faces through the mask more
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
speaking of lies WTF are these new lieshttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/world/double-mask-protection-cdc.html
Wearing a mask — any mask — reduces the risk of infection with the coronavirus, but wearing a more tightly fitted surgical mask, or layering a cloth mask atop a surgical mask, can vastly increase protections to the wearer and others, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Wednesday. New research by the agency shows that transmission of the virus can be reduced by up to 96.5 percent if both an infected individual and an uninfected individual wear tightly fitted surgical masks or a cloth-and-surgical-mask combination. “Any mask is better than none,” said Dr. John Brooks, lead author of the new C.D.C. study. “There are substantial and compelling data that wearing a mask reduces spread, and in communities that adopt mask wearing, new infections go down.”
we thought masks don’t work, and they increase the danger because they’re only ever worn wrongly and people touch their faces through the mask more
ABC News:
‘Holiday Inn COVID cluster grows to 13 as Melbourne Airport cafe listed as exposure site
By Freya Michie and staff
Anyone who visited a cafe at Melbourne’s airport during a seven-and-a-half-hour period on Tuesday is urged to get tested and isolate for 14 days, as Victorian authorities try to tackle a growing outbreak linked to a quarantine hotel.’
Once again. Melburnians snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Holiday Inn COVID cluster grows to 13 as Melbourne Airport cafe listed as exposure site
By Freya Michie and staff
Anyone who visited a cafe at Melbourne’s airport during a seven-and-a-half-hour period on Tuesday is urged to get tested and isolate for 14 days, as Victorian authorities try to tackle a growing outbreak linked to a quarantine hotel.’Once again. Melburnians snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Been watching selected tennis matches at the Australian Open. Mask-wearing is either stupid (eg on chin, or on mouth but not nose) or non-existent. Social distancing in the spectator crowds is seemingly only partially done. In the corridors, some are wearing masks, some are not. The players have been shaking hands and hugging after matches – they were apparently supposed to touch rackets only.
I really hope the Premier calls the leaders of this tournament to his office and gives them a real serve.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Holiday Inn COVID cluster grows to 13 as Melbourne Airport cafe listed as exposure site
By Freya Michie and staff
Anyone who visited a cafe at Melbourne’s airport during a seven-and-a-half-hour period on Tuesday is urged to get tested and isolate for 14 days, as Victorian authorities try to tackle a growing outbreak linked to a quarantine hotel.’Once again. Melburnians snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Michael V said:
Been watching selected tennis matches at the Australian Open. Mask-wearing is either stupid (eg on chin, or on mouth but not nose) or non-existent. Social distancing in the spectator crowds is seemingly only partially done. In the corridors, some are wearing masks, some are not. The players have been shaking hands and hugging after matches – they were apparently supposed to touch rackets only.
I really hope the Premier calls the leaders of this tournament to his office and gives them a real serve.
But it’s Melbourne, dahling. Rules are meant for the peasantry and for the savages from other States. Not for the kind of people one encounters in the tennis world.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Holiday Inn COVID cluster grows to 13 as Melbourne Airport cafe listed as exposure site
By Freya Michie and staff
Anyone who visited a cafe at Melbourne’s airport during a seven-and-a-half-hour period on Tuesday is urged to get tested and isolate for 14 days, as Victorian authorities try to tackle a growing outbreak linked to a quarantine hotel.’Once again. Melburnians snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Been watching selected tennis matches at the Australian Open. Mask-wearing is either stupid (eg on chin, or on mouth but not nose) or non-existent. Social distancing in the spectator crowds is seemingly only partially done. In the corridors, some are wearing masks, some are not. The players have been shaking hands and hugging after matches – they were apparently supposed to touch rackets only.
I really hope the Premier calls the leaders of this tournament to his office and gives them a real serve.
It isn’t the virus, it is the people.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Holiday Inn COVID cluster grows to 13 as Melbourne Airport cafe listed as exposure site
By Freya Michie and staff
Anyone who visited a cafe at Melbourne’s airport during a seven-and-a-half-hour period on Tuesday is urged to get tested and isolate for 14 days, as Victorian authorities try to tackle a growing outbreak linked to a quarantine hotel.’Once again. Melburnians snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Been watching selected tennis matches at the Australian Open. Mask-wearing is either stupid (eg on chin, or on mouth but not nose) or non-existent. Social distancing in the spectator crowds is seemingly only partially done. In the corridors, some are wearing masks, some are not. The players have been shaking hands and hugging after matches – they were apparently supposed to touch rackets only.
I really hope the Premier calls the leaders of this tournament to his office and gives them a real serve.
It isn’t the virus, it is the people.
you might think that in this day and age, any locality holding A Big Get Together might be extra careful and have set up to do more rather than less in response to new cases
we’ll see
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Been watching selected tennis matches at the Australian Open. Mask-wearing is either stupid (eg on chin, or on mouth but not nose) or non-existent. Social distancing in the spectator crowds is seemingly only partially done. In the corridors, some are wearing masks, some are not. The players have been shaking hands and hugging after matches – they were apparently supposed to touch rackets only.
I really hope the Premier calls the leaders of this tournament to his office and gives them a real serve.
It isn’t the virus, it is the people.
you might think that in this day and age, any locality holding A Big Get Together might be extra careful and have set up to do more rather than less in response to new cases
we’ll see
I agree completely.
Risk analysis is a good thing.
Possible / Catastrophic. This takes us into the Extreme (Don’t do) category.
With social distancing (administrative control) the mask-wearing (engineering control) – both low on the hierarchy of controls, this arguably becomes Unlikely / Catastrophic.
I personally go the Isolate route – higher on the hierarchy of controls. I wouldn’t go to a big gathering. This takes my actions to the moderate category. Probably as good as I can get until I get the vaccine.
Vaccine changes the outcome to moderate and takes us into the green (It’s OK) category.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:It isn’t the virus, it is the people.
you might think that in this day and age, any locality holding A Big Get Together might be extra careful and have set up to do more rather than less in response to new cases
we’ll see
I agree completely.
Risk analysis is a good thing.
Possible / Catastrophic. This takes us into the Extreme (Don’t do) category.
With social distancing (administrative control) the mask-wearing (engineering control) – both low on the hierarchy of controls, this arguably becomes Unlikely / Catastrophic.
I personally go the Isolate route – higher on the hierarchy of controls. I wouldn’t go to a big gathering. This takes my actions to the moderate category. Probably as good as I can get until I get the vaccine.
Vaccine changes the outcome to moderate and takes us into the green (It’s OK) category.
Mr V has been to Risk Management School. Thems pics is for the brainy. 😵🥴 Go straight to the top of the class. Do no pass GO. Do not collect $200. :😁
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:you might think that in this day and age, any locality holding A Big Get Together might be extra careful and have set up to do more rather than less in response to new cases
we’ll see
I agree completely.
Risk analysis is a good thing.
Possible / Catastrophic. This takes us into the Extreme (Don’t do) category.
With social distancing (administrative control) the mask-wearing (engineering control) – both low on the hierarchy of controls, this arguably becomes Unlikely / Catastrophic.
I personally go the Isolate route – higher on the hierarchy of controls. I wouldn’t go to a big gathering. This takes my actions to the moderate category. Probably as good as I can get until I get the vaccine.
Vaccine changes the outcome to moderate and takes us into the green (It’s OK) category.
Mr V has been to Risk Management School. Thems pics is for the brainy. 😵🥴 Go straight to the top of the class. Do no pass GO. Do not collect $200. :😁
LOLOL
Yes, I have. Many times.
:)
BREAKING: “We’ve now purchased enough vaccine supply to vaccinate all Americans,” President Biden says after announcing the purchase of 200M more coronavirus vaccines (100M Moderna, 100M Pfizer).
“We’re now on track to have enough supply for 300M Americans by the end of July.” pic.twitter.com/lGXtxFtKCP — NBC News (@NBCNews) February 11, 2021roughbarked said:
BREAKING: “We’ve now purchased enough vaccine supply to vaccinate all Americans,” President Biden says after announcing the purchase of 200M more coronavirus vaccines (100M Moderna, 100M Pfizer). “We’re now on track to have enough supply for 300M Americans by the end of July.” pic.twitter.com/lGXtxFtKCP — NBC News (@NBCNews) February 11, 2021
Biden also said that 100 million more doses would be available a month sooner than he originally promised — in May not June.
Since taking office, the President has taken steps to increase both vaccine supply and distribution, aiming to vaccinate 100 million Americans during his first 100 days in office. He appears to be on track to surpass that goal.
“My predecessor, to be very blunt about it, did not do his job,” Biden said. “We won’t have everything fixed for a while. But we’re going to fix it.”
That this news managed to cut through impeachment trial coverage is a testament to where Americans’ greatest concerns lie at the moment. It’s also strategic timing on Biden’s part. One bipartisan critique of the impeachment trial is that it’s a distraction from more pressing matters that should be consuming congress’s attention. Biden is trying to show that key policy moves are still manageable.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/us-politics-updates-live-donald-trump-impeachment-trial/13146308
I’m still wondeing why planes are flying in and out of Melbourne.
roughbarked said:
BREAKING: “We’ve now purchased enough vaccine supply to vaccinate all Americans,” President Biden says after announcing the purchase of 200M more coronavirus vaccines (100M Moderna, 100M Pfizer). “We’re now on track to have enough supply for 300M Americans by the end of July.” pic.twitter.com/lGXtxFtKCP — NBC News (@NBCNews) February 11, 2021
Seems overly optimistic.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:BREAKING: “We’ve now purchased enough vaccine supply to vaccinate all Americans,” President Biden says after announcing the purchase of 200M more coronavirus vaccines (100M Moderna, 100M Pfizer). “We’re now on track to have enough supply for 300M Americans by the end of July.” pic.twitter.com/lGXtxFtKCP — NBC News (@NBCNews) February 11, 2021Seems overly optimistic.
Maybe but at least there is movement at the station ow that the one they regret has got away.
roughbarked said:
I’m still wondeing why planes are flying in and out of Melbourne.
Dunno about Melbs but Brisbane airport’s traffic is mostly Mail deliveries eg FedEx.
roughbarked said:
I’m still wondeing why planes are flying in and out of Melbourne.
hover on the plane icon and it will tell you what it is. then you can look up what it is carrying, freight or passengers.
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
I’m still wondeing why planes are flying in and out of Melbourne.
Dunno about Melbs but Brisbane airport’s traffic is mostly Mail deliveries eg FedEx.
I know there is one plane that flies along the east coast that only carries money.
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
I’m still wondeing why planes are flying in and out of Melbourne.
hover on the plane icon and it will tell you what it is. then you can look up what it is carrying, freight or passengers.
It only does that if you pay for the app.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
I’m still wondering why planes are flying in and out of Melbourne.
hover on the plane icon and it will tell you what it is. then you can look up what it is carrying, freight or passengers.
It only does that if you pay for the app.
You don’t pay for Flight Radar.
This is a cool looking plane.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
I’m still wondeing why planes are flying in and out of Melbourne.
hover on the plane icon and it will tell you what it is. then you can look up what it is carrying, freight or passengers.
It only does that if you pay for the app.
I just did it.
https://flightaware.com
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ1362
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:hover on the plane icon and it will tell you what it is. then you can look up what it is carrying, freight or passengers.
It only does that if you pay for the app.
I just did it.
https://flightaware.com
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ1362
hmm. Again I’d have to pay to get more info than this. Not that I am averse to paying for the service. It simply is that I haven’t.
Flightaware is not so good.
There’s at least 4 helicopters currently in the Brisbane – Toowoomba area that show up on Flightradar24 but not on Flightaware.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:It only does that if you pay for the app.
I just did it.
https://flightaware.com
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ1362
hmm. Again I’d have to pay to get more info than this. Not that I am averse to paying for the service. It simply is that I haven’t.
what more info do you want?
the only planes we see now are freight and FIFO
Arts said:
the only planes we see now are freight and FIFO
and really how much info does one need? Plus if it isn’t on the flight page then i just go to a different tracker page. It isn’t that hard a task.
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:I just did it.
https://flightaware.com
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ1362
hmm. Again I’d have to pay to get more info than this. Not that I am averse to paying for the service. It simply is that I haven’t.
what more info do you want?
I probably don’t which is why I haven’t paid yet.
1h ago 09:23
A New York Times report has found that Donald Trump may have been more gravely affected by Covid-19 than the administration let on.
From the Times:
Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus, according to four people familiar with his condition.
His prognosis became so worrisome before he was taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center that officials believed he would need to be put on a ventilator, two of the people familiar with his condition said.
The people familiar with Mr. Trump’s health said he was found to have lung infiltrates, which occur when the lungs are inflamed and contain substances such as fluid or bacteria. Their presence, especially when a patient is exhibiting other symptoms, can be a sign of an acute case of the disease. They can be easily spotted on an X-ray or scan, when parts of the lungs appear opaque, or white.
Mr. Trump’s blood oxygen level alone was cause for extreme concern, dipping into the 80s, according to the people familiar with his evaluation. The disease is considered severe when the blood oxygen level falls to the low 90s.
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
the only planes we see now are freight and FIFO
and really how much info does one need? Plus if it isn’t on the flight page then i just go to a different tracker page. It isn’t that hard a task.
true. from https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ Have to find out where they hid the actual planes.
sarahs mum said:
1h ago 09:23A New York Times report has found that Donald Trump may have been more gravely affected by Covid-19 than the administration let on.
From the Times:
Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus, according to four people familiar with his condition.
His prognosis became so worrisome before he was taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center that officials believed he would need to be put on a ventilator, two of the people familiar with his condition said.
The people familiar with Mr. Trump’s health said he was found to have lung infiltrates, which occur when the lungs are inflamed and contain substances such as fluid or bacteria. Their presence, especially when a patient is exhibiting other symptoms, can be a sign of an acute case of the disease. They can be easily spotted on an X-ray or scan, when parts of the lungs appear opaque, or white.
Mr. Trump’s blood oxygen level alone was cause for extreme concern, dipping into the 80s, according to the people familiar with his evaluation. The disease is considered severe when the blood oxygen level falls to the low 90s.
No wonder he’s been more brain dead since then.
By the way, did they find evidence of bleach drinking?
sarahs mum said:
1h ago 09:23A New York Times report has found that Donald Trump may have been more gravely affected by Covid-19 than the administration let on.
From the Times:
Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus, according to four people familiar with his condition.
His prognosis became so worrisome before he was taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center that officials believed he would need to be put on a ventilator, two of the people familiar with his condition said.
The people familiar with Mr. Trump’s health said he was found to have lung infiltrates, which occur when the lungs are inflamed and contain substances such as fluid or bacteria. Their presence, especially when a patient is exhibiting other symptoms, can be a sign of an acute case of the disease. They can be easily spotted on an X-ray or scan, when parts of the lungs appear opaque, or white.
Mr. Trump’s blood oxygen level alone was cause for extreme concern, dipping into the 80s, according to the people familiar with his evaluation. The disease is considered severe when the blood oxygen level falls to the low 90s.
Mini Me had a respiratory virus when she was about one. Her O2 was in the 80s. I don’t think I realised at the time how serious it was.
Divine Angel said:
sarahs mum said:1h ago 09:23A New York Times report has found that Donald Trump may have been more gravely affected by Covid-19 than the administration let on.
From the Times:
Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus, according to four people familiar with his condition.
His prognosis became so worrisome before he was taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center that officials believed he would need to be put on a ventilator, two of the people familiar with his condition said.
The people familiar with Mr. Trump’s health said he was found to have lung infiltrates, which occur when the lungs are inflamed and contain substances such as fluid or bacteria. Their presence, especially when a patient is exhibiting other symptoms, can be a sign of an acute case of the disease. They can be easily spotted on an X-ray or scan, when parts of the lungs appear opaque, or white.
Mr. Trump’s blood oxygen level alone was cause for extreme concern, dipping into the 80s, according to the people familiar with his evaluation. The disease is considered severe when the blood oxygen level falls to the low 90s.
Mini Me had a respiratory virus when she was about one. Her O2 was in the 80s. I don’t think I realised at the time how serious it was.
Any respiratory issue is serious.
Divine Angel said:
:(
sarahs mum said:1h ago 09:23A New York Times report has found that Donald Trump may have been more gravely affected by Covid-19 than the administration let on.
From the Times:
Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus, according to four people familiar with his condition.
His prognosis became so worrisome before he was taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center that officials believed he would need to be put on a ventilator, two of the people familiar with his condition said.
The people familiar with Mr. Trump’s health said he was found to have lung infiltrates, which occur when the lungs are inflamed and contain substances such as fluid or bacteria. Their presence, especially when a patient is exhibiting other symptoms, can be a sign of an acute case of the disease. They can be easily spotted on an X-ray or scan, when parts of the lungs appear opaque, or white.
Mr. Trump’s blood oxygen level alone was cause for extreme concern, dipping into the 80s, according to the people familiar with his evaluation. The disease is considered severe when the blood oxygen level falls to the low 90s.
Mini Me had a respiratory virus when she was about one. Her O2 was in the 80s. I don’t think I realised at the time how serious it was.
sarahs mum said:
Divine Angel said::(
sarahs mum said:1h ago 09:23A New York Times report has found that Donald Trump may have been more gravely affected by Covid-19 than the administration let on.
From the Times:
Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus, according to four people familiar with his condition.
His prognosis became so worrisome before he was taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center that officials believed he would need to be put on a ventilator, two of the people familiar with his condition said.
The people familiar with Mr. Trump’s health said he was found to have lung infiltrates, which occur when the lungs are inflamed and contain substances such as fluid or bacteria. Their presence, especially when a patient is exhibiting other symptoms, can be a sign of an acute case of the disease. They can be easily spotted on an X-ray or scan, when parts of the lungs appear opaque, or white.
Mr. Trump’s blood oxygen level alone was cause for extreme concern, dipping into the 80s, according to the people familiar with his evaluation. The disease is considered severe when the blood oxygen level falls to the low 90s.
Mini Me had a respiratory virus when she was about one. Her O2 was in the 80s. I don’t think I realised at the time how serious it was.
Perhaps for the best.
Yes. Anxiety isn’t medicinal.
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
sarahs mum said:1h ago 09:23A New York Times report has found that Donald Trump may have been more gravely affected by Covid-19 than the administration let on.
From the Times:
Trump was sicker with Covid-19 in October than publicly acknowledged at the time, with extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point and a lung problem associated with pneumonia caused by the coronavirus, according to four people familiar with his condition.
His prognosis became so worrisome before he was taken to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center that officials believed he would need to be put on a ventilator, two of the people familiar with his condition said.
The people familiar with Mr. Trump’s health said he was found to have lung infiltrates, which occur when the lungs are inflamed and contain substances such as fluid or bacteria. Their presence, especially when a patient is exhibiting other symptoms, can be a sign of an acute case of the disease. They can be easily spotted on an X-ray or scan, when parts of the lungs appear opaque, or white.
Mr. Trump’s blood oxygen level alone was cause for extreme concern, dipping into the 80s, according to the people familiar with his evaluation. The disease is considered severe when the blood oxygen level falls to the low 90s.
Mini Me had a respiratory virus when she was about one. Her O2 was in the 80s. I don’t think I realised at the time how serious it was.
Any respiratory issue is serious.
pretty sure laughter involves the respiratory system
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:Mini Me had a respiratory virus when she was about one. Her O2 was in the 80s. I don’t think I realised at the time how serious it was.
Any respiratory issue is serious.
pretty sure laughter involves the respiratory system
and it is seriously useful.
ABC News:
‘Victoria to enter snap five-day coronavirus lockdown from midnight tonight
All of Victoria will enter a snap five-day lockdown to respond to a growing coronavirus outbreak linked to the Holiday Inn hotel at Melbourne Airport.’
Who was it who called it here this morning?
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria to enter snap five-day coronavirus lockdown from midnight tonight
All of Victoria will enter a snap five-day lockdown to respond to a growing coronavirus outbreak linked to the Holiday Inn hotel at Melbourne Airport.’Who was it who called it here this morning?
Rule
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria to enter snap five-day coronavirus lockdown from midnight tonight
All of Victoria will enter a snap five-day lockdown to respond to a growing coronavirus outbreak linked to the Holiday Inn hotel at Melbourne Airport.’Who was it who called it here this morning?
Rule
Well done, Rule. Fifteen minute early-mark for you.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria to enter snap five-day coronavirus lockdown from midnight tonight
All of Victoria will enter a snap five-day lockdown to respond to a growing coronavirus outbreak linked to the Holiday Inn hotel at Melbourne Airport.’Who was it who called it here this morning?
Rule.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria to enter snap five-day coronavirus lockdown from midnight tonight
All of Victoria will enter a snap five-day lockdown to respond to a growing coronavirus outbreak linked to the Holiday Inn hotel at Melbourne Airport.’Who was it who called it here this morning?
Rule
Well done, Rule. Fifteen minute early-mark for you.
:)
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Rule
Well done, Rule. Fifteen minute early-mark for you.
:)
Could say something about great minds…
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria to enter snap five-day coronavirus lockdown from midnight tonight
All of Victoria will enter a snap five-day lockdown to respond to a growing coronavirus outbreak linked to the Holiday Inn hotel at Melbourne Airport.’Who was it who called it here this morning?
Wait… NSW Health is urgently contacting 7,000 people who entered NSW from Victoria after attending COVID-19 exposure sites throughout Melbourne Airport, as Victoria plunges into a snap lockdown.
It was me who was saying why are they letting planes out of Melbourne.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria to enter snap five-day coronavirus lockdown from midnight tonight
All of Victoria will enter a snap five-day lockdown to respond to a growing coronavirus outbreak linked to the Holiday Inn hotel at Melbourne Airport.’Who was it who called it here this morning?
Rule
Well done, Rule. Fifteen minute early-mark for you.
Cheers Boss.
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.
Marky Mc G has just announced that we can go to ‘pre Jan 31st’ status as of 12.01 Sunday. So no more masks for us!
Still practice other stuff like social distancing, washing hands and using the safe WA app… some restrictions still apply to numbers inside… most restriction on interstate travel are lifted except with Victoria.
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.
Heartily agree. If the ones in city lockdown do obey the rules then there should be no reason to stuff up the perfectly normal lives of rural dwellers who know better than to travel during a pandemic.
Wait.. the problem is that’s the very reason why we have the virus at all.
Australia would have been fine if we’d told everyone to stay overseas until the pandemic was over.
Arts said:
Marky Mc G has just announced that we can go to ‘pre Jan 31st’ status as of 12.01 Sunday. So no more masks for us!Still practice other stuff like social distancing, washing hands and using the safe WA app… some restrictions still apply to numbers inside… most restriction on interstate travel are lifted except with Victoria.
Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
party_pants said:
Arts said:
Marky Mc G has just announced that we can go to ‘pre Jan 31st’ status as of 12.01 Sunday. So no more masks for us!Still practice other stuff like social distancing, washing hands and using the safe WA app… some restrictions still apply to numbers inside… most restriction on interstate travel are lifted except with Victoria.
Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
As such, should no new cases be recorded, most of WA’s restrictions would lift from 12:01am on Sunday.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:
Marky Mc G has just announced that we can go to ‘pre Jan 31st’ status as of 12.01 Sunday. So no more masks for us!Still practice other stuff like social distancing, washing hands and using the safe WA app… some restrictions still apply to numbers inside… most restriction on interstate travel are lifted except with Victoria.
Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
As such, should no new cases be recorded, most of WA’s restrictions would lift from 12:01am on Sunday.
They should have said 23:59 on Saturday. That would have been much clearer.
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.
Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
As such, should no new cases be recorded, most of WA’s restrictions would lift from 12:01am on Sunday.
They should have said 23:59 on Saturday. That would have been much clearer.
I think they are equally clear
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.Heartily agree. If the ones in city lockdown do obey the rules then there should be no reason to stuff up the perfectly normal lives of rural dwellers who know better than to travel during a pandemic.
Wait.. the problem is that’s the very reason why we have the virus at all.
Australia would have been fine if we’d told everyone to stay overseas until the pandemic was over.
Trouble is no one can be trusted absolutely. Country people are no different to city people. without a statewide lockdown you can rest assured that some will travel before the implementation. This could lead to outbreaks in rural communities. so one in all in and quit the whinging.
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:Australia would have been fine if we’d told everyone to stay overseas until the pandemic was over.
Trouble is no one can be trusted absolutely. Country people are no different to city people. without a statewide lockdown you can rest assured that some will travel before the implementation. This could lead to outbreaks in rural communities. so one in all in and quit the whinging.
And we would have had to let in the tennis players and cricket teams and all of their entourages and hangers-on. I mean, sport, money and…money.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.
It does relieve the cops of the task of blocking roads around Melbourne.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
Marky Mc G has just announced that we can go to ‘pre Jan 31st’ status as of 12.01 Sunday. So no more masks for us!Still practice other stuff like social distancing, washing hands and using the safe WA app… some restrictions still apply to numbers inside… most restriction on interstate travel are lifted except with Victoria.
Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
basically midnight Saturday. so Sunday morning wake up and leave the mask at home.
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:Australia would have been fine if we’d told everyone to stay overseas until the pandemic was over.
Trouble is no one can be trusted absolutely. Country people are no different to city people. without a statewide lockdown you can rest assured that some will travel before the implementation. This could lead to outbreaks in rural communities. so one in all in and quit the whinging.
And we would have had to let in the tennis players and cricket teams and all of their entourages and hangers-on. I mean, sport, money and…money.
And the tennis continues (without spectators).
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
As such, should no new cases be recorded, most of WA’s restrictions would lift from 12:01am on Sunday.
They should have said 23:59 on Saturday. That would have been much clearer.
don’t be a reporter.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:
Marky Mc G has just announced that we can go to ‘pre Jan 31st’ status as of 12.01 Sunday. So no more masks for us!Still practice other stuff like social distancing, washing hands and using the safe WA app… some restrictions still apply to numbers inside… most restriction on interstate travel are lifted except with Victoria.
Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
basically midnight Saturday. so Sunday morning wake up and leave the mask at home.
I never go anywhere without my mask…
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
I think there is lateral thinking going on.. and thoughts about different ways to combat.. but the best thing we have right now is to know that if people don’t move, the virus doesn’t move..
Mr buffy just phoned our friend from Hamilton. He is in Gawler, went for a weekend archery tournament. He now has to decide if he comes back now, or stays a bit longer than intended in SA. He’s only taken enough medications with him to get through the weekend and didn’t take his scripts. And if he comes back over the weekend, when he is over the SA/Vic border he will be more than 5km from home.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
Nods.
buffy said:
And the tennis continues (without spectators).
See, they could have played the tennis somewhere suitably safe for us and them.
Macquarie Island, maybe.
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
basically midnight Saturday. so Sunday morning wake up and leave the mask at home.
I never go anywhere without my mask…
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.Heartily agree. If the ones in city lockdown do obey the rules then there should be no reason to stuff up the perfectly normal lives of rural dwellers who know better than to travel during a pandemic.
Wait.. the problem is that’s the very reason why we have the virus at all.
Australia would have been fine if we’d told everyone to stay overseas until the pandemic was over.
Trouble is no one can be trusted absolutely. Country people are no different to city people. without a statewide lockdown you can rest assured that some will travel before the implementation. This could lead to outbreaks in rural communities. so one in all in and quit the whinging.
But places North of Perth were not locked down. How does that work?
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
basically midnight Saturday. so Sunday morning wake up and leave the mask at home.
I never go anywhere without my mask…
Hi Ho Silver and away. :)
But you ferry sick old codgers around, don’t you?
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:Heartily agree. If the ones in city lockdown do obey the rules then there should be no reason to stuff up the perfectly normal lives of rural dwellers who know better than to travel during a pandemic.
Wait.. the problem is that’s the very reason why we have the virus at all.
Australia would have been fine if we’d told everyone to stay overseas until the pandemic was over.
Trouble is no one can be trusted absolutely. Country people are no different to city people. without a statewide lockdown you can rest assured that some will travel before the implementation. This could lead to outbreaks in rural communities. so one in all in and quit the whinging.
But places North of Perth were not locked down. How does that work?
They’re expendable?
Arts said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
I think there is lateral thinking going on.. and thoughts about different ways to combat.. but the best thing we have right now is to know that if people don’t move, the virus doesn’t move..
I’ve not gone anywhere apart from food shopping since November 2019.
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
dv said:
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
You didn’t have to wear them in the home anyway, you silly!
buffy said:
dv said:
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
You didn’t have to wear them in the home anyway, you silly!
Who knows, he may have a secret girlfriend?
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:Heartily agree. If the ones in city lockdown do obey the rules then there should be no reason to stuff up the perfectly normal lives of rural dwellers who know better than to travel during a pandemic.
Wait.. the problem is that’s the very reason why we have the virus at all.
Australia would have been fine if we’d told everyone to stay overseas until the pandemic was over.
Trouble is no one can be trusted absolutely. Country people are no different to city people. without a statewide lockdown you can rest assured that some will travel before the implementation. This could lead to outbreaks in rural communities. so one in all in and quit the whinging.
But places North of Perth were not locked down. How does that work?
the areas that were locked down hold 80% of WA’s population.. north of Yanchep – the top end of “Perth Metro’ is pretty bare for a while… but there was absolutely no movement between those areas… I think it’s in the geography.
buffy said:
dv said:
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
You didn’t have to wear them in the home anyway, you silly!
What about gimp masks for Valentines Day
dv said:
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
I’m glad they are off because I am scheduled to be at the zoo on Sunday and I didn’t fancy wearing a mask all day there…
I’m mostly used to the mask, its does make glasses fog up until you find the right spot and its annoying when you need to breath deeply but it’s mostly forgettable
Arts said:
dv said:
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
I’m glad they are off because I am scheduled to be at the zoo on Sunday and I didn’t fancy wearing a mask all day there…
It’s a humid place the zoo
Cymek said:
Arts said:
dv said:
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
I’m glad they are off because I am scheduled to be at the zoo on Sunday and I didn’t fancy wearing a mask all day there…
It’s a humid place the zoo
not really, but I have been able to avoid wearing a mask continually for more than an hour or so.. however I am going out to lunch shortly, but I think I can take it off while sitting, eating and drinking
Arts said:
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:Trouble is no one can be trusted absolutely. Country people are no different to city people. without a statewide lockdown you can rest assured that some will travel before the implementation. This could lead to outbreaks in rural communities. so one in all in and quit the whinging.
But places North of Perth were not locked down. How does that work?
the areas that were locked down hold 80% of WA’s population.. north of Yanchep – the top end of “Perth Metro’ is pretty bare for a while… but there was absolutely no movement between those areas… I think it’s in the geography.
What I was going to say. Plus I mentioned a few weeks ago about why Peel and the SW was locked down.
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:I’m glad they are off because I am scheduled to be at the zoo on Sunday and I didn’t fancy wearing a mask all day there…
It’s a humid place the zoo
not really, but I have been able to avoid wearing a mask continually for more than an hour or so.. however I am going out to lunch shortly, but I think I can take it off while sitting, eating and drinking
That’s the rule yep. Have to be sitting but you can’t eat and drink with a mask on.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:I’m glad they are off because I am scheduled to be at the zoo on Sunday and I didn’t fancy wearing a mask all day there…
It’s a humid place the zoo
not really, but I have been able to avoid wearing a mask continually for more than an hour or so.. however I am going out to lunch shortly, but I think I can take it off while sitting, eating and drinking
had to wear one all day last week with a transport to and from Fiona Stanley. It was like steelcaps, a necessity but nice to take it off after 8 hours.
Rule 303 said:
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
That’s an unchallenging place to land! Try between the woolshed and the wires.
:)
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria/13146258
just watching that^
the thing is if the virus is ~1.5+ X more contagious, the potential exponential transmission chain, plotted, is much steeper, much worse, and the reality on the ground similarly, it’s unknown territory, see what emerges next five days
Rule 303 said:
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
‘Infectious. Tough. Adaptive.’
Indeed.
Why is it attached to a pic which suggests ‘Lost again. Landed to ask for directions’.?
Mr buffy just asked me if I want to do a rush trip to Warrnambool (70km) or to Hamilton (30km) for toilet paper…
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:It’s a humid place the zoo
not really, but I have been able to avoid wearing a mask continually for more than an hour or so.. however I am going out to lunch shortly, but I think I can take it off while sitting, eating and drinking
had to wear one all day last week with a transport to and from Fiona Stanley. It was like steelcaps, a necessity but nice to take it off after 8 hours.
I have a cloth one.. it gets quite hot.. but today I am going to take a disposable, which I think is probably lighter and better… I’ve been a bit of a scrooge with the disposable ones I have, preferring to give them to the kids for school… but today I’m going rogue.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
That’s an unchallenging place to land! Try between the woolshed and the wires.
:)
I was thinking about the word ‘Infectious’, mostly.
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
That’s an unchallenging place to land! Try between the woolshed and the wires.
:)
Landing between the woolshed and the wires is one thing.
Taking off from between the woolshed and the wires is likely to be way more scary.
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
‘Infectious. Tough. Adaptive.’
Indeed.
Why is it attached to a pic which suggests ‘Lost again. Landed to ask for directions’.?
Hehe
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:It’s a humid place the zoo
not really, but I have been able to avoid wearing a mask continually for more than an hour or so.. however I am going out to lunch shortly, but I think I can take it off while sitting, eating and drinking
had to wear one all day last week with a transport to and from Fiona Stanley. It was like steelcaps, a necessity but nice to take it off after 8 hours.
I do go around the corner of the office away from everyone and take it off for minute or so to get a break.
We are lucky I suppose in that’s in unlikely to be the community so we wear masks but can be somewhat blasé instead of fearing every other person might have it and its a necessity
transition said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-victoria/13146258
just watching that^the thing is if the virus is ~1.5+ X more contagious, the potential exponential transmission chain, plotted, is much steeper, much worse, and the reality on the ground similarly, it’s unknown territory, see what emerges next five days
Yes it is going to be a trying time. Particularly when 7,000 people entered NSW from Victoria after attending COVID-19 exposure sites throughout Melbourne Airport and probably others to elsewhere.
buffy said:
Mr buffy just asked me if I want to do a rush trip to Warrnambool (70km) or to Hamilton (30km) for toilet paper…
Panic buy some nice sausages while you’re there.
captain_spalding said:
Rule 303 said:
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
‘Infectious. Tough. Adaptive.’
Indeed.
Why is it attached to a pic which suggests ‘Lost again. Landed to ask for directions’.?
Couldn’t find anyone to ask and said “buggrit”.
buffy said:
Mr buffy just asked me if I want to do a rush trip to Warrnambool (70km) or to Hamilton (30km) for toilet paper…
sensayuma ;)
buffy said:
Mr buffy just asked me if I want to do a rush trip to Warrnambool (70km) or to Hamilton (30km) for toilet paper…
Rip up the phone book. Don’t need that anymore.
I can’t help myself. I’ve saved phone books for years.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
Ambulance Vic are currently running this piccy on their Facebook page, supposedly in reference to the “Victoria Spirit”:
That’s an unchallenging place to land! Try between the woolshed and the wires.
:)
Landing between the woolshed and the wires is one thing.
Taking off from between the woolshed and the wires is likely to be way more scary.
They did it…with the patient on board. I was impressed. We had cars with headlights on to show where the wires were.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:That’s an unchallenging place to land! Try between the woolshed and the wires.
:)
Landing between the woolshed and the wires is one thing.
Taking off from between the woolshed and the wires is likely to be way more scary.
They did it…with the patient on board. I was impressed. We had cars with headlights on to show where the wires were.
Helicopters aren’t the easiest things to fly either.
I’d reckon that only the top pilots could get that job.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
This time I’m going to say it. This is chicken little territory. There is no reason to lockdown the regions.Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Will you be writing Brett Sutton a terse email?
No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
Tasmania declares whole of Victoria ‘high-risk’ COVID-19 area
From midnight tonight, Tasmania will restrict travellers from Victoria until further notice.
Posted 14 minutes ago
ABC justin.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
Tasmania declares whole of Victoria ‘high-risk’ COVID-19 area
From midnight tonight, Tasmania will restrict travellers from Victoria until further notice.
Posted 14 minutes ago
ABC justin.
and justin after that..
Latest COVID lockdown leaves regional Victorians shocked and angry
ABC Gippsland
/
By staff writers
Victorians outside Melbourne are stunned to be included in a statewide five-day lockdown imposed by Premier Daniel Andrews today in a bid to extinguish a growing city outbreak.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
From places overseas it seems there is no safe level of infection because of exponential transmission so it’s either short sharp lockdowns or long drown out ones so it’s not about lockdowns versus a better option.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
Tasmania declares whole of Victoria ‘high-risk’ COVID-19 area
From midnight tonight, Tasmania will restrict travellers from Victoria until further notice.
Posted 14 minutes ago
ABC justin.
and justin after that..
Latest COVID lockdown leaves regional Victorians shocked and angry
ABC Gippsland
/By staff writers
Victorians outside Melbourne are stunned to be included in a statewide five-day lockdown imposed by Premier Daniel Andrews today in a bid to extinguish a growing city outbreak.
Most people in this district are LNP voters. They are going to be angry with Dan.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
From places overseas it seems there is no safe level of infection because of exponential transmission so it’s either short sharp lockdowns or long drown out ones so it’s not about lockdowns versus a better option.
I reckon we are just a healthier lot here in Australia and NZ. Better immune systems. Probably more sunshine and plenty of wind to keep the air clean.
;)
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Is that midnight Saturday, midnight Sunday, or lunchtime Sunday?
As such, should no new cases be recorded, most of WA’s restrictions would lift from 12:01am on Sunday.
They should have said 23:59 on Saturday. That would have been much clearer.
look, we know pretty much all conventions are arbitrary, but why bother with the 2-minute intervals, why not just choose any old time like 1817, or what is wrong with 2400=0000 surely
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:And the tennis continues (without spectators).
See, they could have played the tennis somewhere suitably safe for us and them.
Macquarie Island, maybe.
was it from the tennis-associated quarantines though or was it the repatriation quarantines
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Well I’m glad the masks will be off for Valentine’s Day
You didn’t have to wear them in the home anyway, you silly!
Who knows, he may have a secret girlfriend?
enough of this gender discrimination
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:buffy said:Witty Rejoinder said:buffy said:No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
From places overseas it seems there is no safe level of infection because of exponential transmission so it’s either short sharp lockdowns or long drown out ones so it’s not about lockdowns versus a better option.
I reckon we are just a healthier lot here in Australia and NZ. Better immune systems. Probably more sunshine and plenty of wind to keep the air clean.
;)
it’s true Australians really are quite an exceptional people
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:That’s an unchallenging place to land! Try between the woolshed and the wires.
:)
Landing between the woolshed and the wires is one thing.
Taking off from between the woolshed and the wires is likely to be way more scary.
They did it…with the patient on board. I was impressed. We had cars with headlights on to show where the wires were.
Helicopter jockeys can be impressive.
Hot and high conditions. Heavily-laden helicopter. Tall palm-tree tree-line over there. Razor wire over just there. Minefield over that way. How do you get out of there?
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:And the tennis continues (without spectators).
See, they could have played the tennis somewhere suitably safe for us and them.
Macquarie Island, maybe.
was it from the tennis-associated quarantines though or was it the repatriation quarantines
One of each, I think.
anyway we(1,1,1) have the vaccines now right fuck everyone else time to throw it all open and let it rip
>>The federal MP for the central Victorian seat of Nicholls, Damian Drum, said the regional lockdown was unnecessary.
“If we had a series of infections in Shepparton, do you think they would lock down the state or do you think they might lockdown Shepparton?” he said.
“And I think the answer to that question is pretty straight forward.
“Horsham, Portland, Shepparton, Lakes Entrance — if there’s an outbreak in those regional areas this Victorian Government would lock down that regional area.
“All of a sudden there’s an outbreak in Melbourne again and they want to lock down the entire state. <<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/covid-19-victoria-lockdown-no-metro-ring-of-steel/13147776
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Landing between the woolshed and the wires is one thing.
Taking off from between the woolshed and the wires is likely to be way more scary.
They did it…with the patient on board. I was impressed. We had cars with headlights on to show where the wires were.
Helicopter jockeys can be impressive.
Hot and high conditions. Heavily-laden helicopter. Tall palm-tree tree-line over there. Razor wire over just there. Minefield over that way. How do you get out of there?
Straight up!
what is wrong with 2400=0000 surely
—
A tad ambiguous
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Landing between the woolshed and the wires is one thing.
Taking off from between the woolshed and the wires is likely to be way more scary.
They did it…with the patient on board. I was impressed. We had cars with headlights on to show where the wires were.
Helicopter jockeys can be impressive.
Hot and high conditions. Heavily-laden helicopter. Tall palm-tree tree-line over there. Razor wire over just there. Minefield over that way. How do you get out of there?
Charlie shooting at you with his AK
Ian said:
what is wrong with 2400=0000 surely—
A tad ambiguous
ever been on PrinceDandenongsHighwayRoad
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:They did it…with the patient on board. I was impressed. We had cars with headlights on to show where the wires were.
Helicopter jockeys can be impressive.
Hot and high conditions. Heavily-laden helicopter. Tall palm-tree tree-line over there. Razor wire over just there. Minefield over that way. How do you get out of there?
Charlie shooting at you with his AK
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:They did it…with the patient on board. I was impressed. We had cars with headlights on to show where the wires were.
Helicopter jockeys can be impressive.
Hot and high conditions. Heavily-laden helicopter. Tall palm-tree tree-line over there. Razor wire over just there. Minefield over that way. How do you get out of there?
Straight up!
Can’t.
Air’s too thin and hot to generate enough lift out of ground effect with the weight you’ve got on board. Try to do that, and likely crash into something nasty. Need airspeed.
Solution: lift the aircraft just off the ground in-ground-effect. Start moving forward slowly, steering very tight circles. Gradually increase airspeed, going round and round, until fast enough to get O.G.E. Give it all it’s got, head for the trees, and pull up.
Wild ride for those in back, but it worked. Just.
Didn’t know whether to bash him with a brick or buy him a drink later. Went for the latter.
Cymek said:
I’m mostly used to the mask, its does make glasses fog up until you find the right spot and its annoying when you need to breath deeply but it’s mostly forgettable
Speaking of masks, I saw a bloke in the shops the other day wearing one of those full face visor shields like a professional whipper-snipper person would use. i guess it counts.
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
I’m mostly used to the mask, its does make glasses fog up until you find the right spot and its annoying when you need to breath deeply but it’s mostly forgettable
Speaking of masks, I saw a bloke in the shops the other day wearing one of those full face visor shields like a professional whipper-snipper person would use. i guess it counts.
Not here. Has to be a fitted face mask. Shields haven’t been acceptable for quite some time. And I think the WA instructions were the same just recently. Early on some of our supermarkets used the face shields because it was a lot better for communicating with the customers.
buffy said:
>>The federal MP for the central Victorian seat of Nicholls, Damian Drum, said the regional lockdown was unnecessary.“If we had a series of infections in Shepparton, do you think they would lock down the state or do you think they might lockdown Shepparton?” he said.
“And I think the answer to that question is pretty straight forward.
“Horsham, Portland, Shepparton, Lakes Entrance — if there’s an outbreak in those regional areas this Victorian Government would lock down that regional area.
“All of a sudden there’s an outbreak in Melbourne again and they want to lock down the entire state. <<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/covid-19-victoria-lockdown-no-metro-ring-of-steel/13147776
Is that the same Damian Drum who used to be an AFL coach?
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Witty Rejoinder said:From places overseas it seems there is no safe level of infection because of exponential transmission so it’s either short sharp lockdowns or long drown out ones so it’s not about lockdowns versus a better option.
I reckon we are just a healthier lot here in Australia and NZ. Better immune systems. Probably more sunshine and plenty of wind to keep the air clean.
;)
it’s true Australians really are quite an exceptional people
Healthwise, the Europeans in Australia have been healthier than Europeans in Europe since we came here. Even the immigrant women had difficulty with birthing large babies when the first generation was produced. And the men and boys sent to the world wars were larger and healthier than their European counterparts.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:No, I Iive in this society. But I don’t have to agree. At some point we are going to have to accept that elimination is simply not possible and do some lateral thinking about how to deal with things.
It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
fear or rational aversion
i’d expect HIV and covid are incomparable, for a number of reasons
party_pants said:
buffy said:
>>The federal MP for the central Victorian seat of Nicholls, Damian Drum, said the regional lockdown was unnecessary.“If we had a series of infections in Shepparton, do you think they would lock down the state or do you think they might lockdown Shepparton?” he said.
“And I think the answer to that question is pretty straight forward.
“Horsham, Portland, Shepparton, Lakes Entrance — if there’s an outbreak in those regional areas this Victorian Government would lock down that regional area.
“All of a sudden there’s an outbreak in Melbourne again and they want to lock down the entire state. <<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/covid-19-victoria-lockdown-no-metro-ring-of-steel/13147776
Is that the same Damian Drum who used to be an AFL coach?
I have no idea. I presume he is LNP, if he represents Shepparton. But I could be wrong.
No, I’m right. And so are you, apparently.
https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian?MPID=56430
transition said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s a work in progress. Big sharp restrictions seem to work best so that’s what we’re going with.
I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
fear or rational aversion
i’d expect HIV and covid are incomparable, for a number of reasons
Not in the early stages. Remember the ads? My brother in law tried to stop Mr buffy being near my nieces. There was a lot of fear around. (BIL was a doctor. Should have known better)
buffy said:
transition said:
buffy said:I’m personally having difficulty understanding the fear. I was a lot more scared at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic when Mr buffy got covered in HIV positive blood at a car accident. The odds were much more scary. Much less transmissibility…but far more likely to kill. This one is much more transmissible and a lot less likely to kill. (These days there are anti-retroviral medications…there were none then)
fear or rational aversion
i’d expect HIV and covid are incomparable, for a number of reasons
Not in the early stages. Remember the ads? My brother in law tried to stop Mr buffy being near my nieces. There was a lot of fear around. (BIL was a doctor. Should have known better)
more pointing to your pointing to covid, regard fear in response to, suggesting more of is rational aversion
aids was a small thing really compared to what covid could possibly do rampant, is doing elsewhere in some other countries, has done
still reckon they are incomparable
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
what is wrong with 2400=0000 surely—
A tad ambiguous
ever been on PrinceDandenongsHighwayRoad
Yes.. no
A bit
buffy said:
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
I’m mostly used to the mask, its does make glasses fog up until you find the right spot and its annoying when you need to breath deeply but it’s mostly forgettable
Speaking of masks, I saw a bloke in the shops the other day wearing one of those full face visor shields like a professional whipper-snipper person would use. i guess it counts.
Not here. Has to be a fitted face mask. Shields haven’t been acceptable for quite some time. And I think the WA instructions were the same just recently. Early on some of our supermarkets used the face shields because it was a lot better for communicating with the customers.
I don’t have a mask. Never have. Wouldn’t know where to get one either. Can’t remember the last time I saw anyone wearing one as well. Months ago maybe.
Woodie said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Speaking of masks, I saw a bloke in the shops the other day wearing one of those full face visor shields like a professional whipper-snipper person would use. i guess it counts.
Not here. Has to be a fitted face mask. Shields haven’t been acceptable for quite some time. And I think the WA instructions were the same just recently. Early on some of our supermarkets used the face shields because it was a lot better for communicating with the customers.
I don’t have a mask. Never have. Wouldn’t know where to get one either. Can’t remember the last time I saw anyone wearing one as well. Months ago maybe.
I have a fine buffy-made mask. But we haven’t had to wear masks on this island so far, maybe never will.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
I’m mostly used to the mask, its does make glasses fog up until you find the right spot and its annoying when you need to breath deeply but it’s mostly forgettable
Speaking of masks, I saw a bloke in the shops the other day wearing one of those full face visor shields like a professional whipper-snipper person would use. i guess it counts.
Not here. Has to be a fitted face mask. Shields haven’t been acceptable for quite some time. And I think the WA instructions were the same just recently. Early on some of our supermarkets used the face shields because it was a lot better for communicating with the customers.
I was imagining it was the only thing he could find in his house.
transition said:
buffy said:
transition said:fear or rational aversion
i’d expect HIV and covid are incomparable, for a number of reasons
Not in the early stages. Remember the ads? My brother in law tried to stop Mr buffy being near my nieces. There was a lot of fear around. (BIL was a doctor. Should have known better)
more pointing to your pointing to covid, regard fear in response to, suggesting more of is rational aversion
aids was a small thing really compared to what covid could possibly do rampant, is doing elsewhere in some other countries, has done
still reckon they are incomparable
GLOBAL HIV STATISTICS
26 million people were accessing antiretroviral therapy as of the end of June 2020.
38.0 million people globally were living with HIV in 2019.
1.7 million people became newly infected with HIV in 2019.
690 000 people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2019.
75.7 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
32.7 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Speaking of masks, I saw a bloke in the shops the other day wearing one of those full face visor shields like a professional whipper-snipper person would use. i guess it counts.
Not here. Has to be a fitted face mask. Shields haven’t been acceptable for quite some time. And I think the WA instructions were the same just recently. Early on some of our supermarkets used the face shields because it was a lot better for communicating with the customers.
I was imagining it was the only thing he could find in his house.
Although, they did forget to proscribe them on the website. They proscribed scarves and bandannas, but not face shields.
https://healthywa.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Coronavirus/Face-masks
Ian said:
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
what is wrong with 2400=0000 surely—
A tad ambiguous
ever been on PrinceDandenongsHighwayRoad
Yes.. no
A bit
I’ve been on High Street Road.😮😵🥴
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Not here. Has to be a fitted face mask. Shields haven’t been acceptable for quite some time. And I think the WA instructions were the same just recently. Early on some of our supermarkets used the face shields because it was a lot better for communicating with the customers.
I was imagining it was the only thing he could find in his house.
Although, they did forget to proscribe them on the website. They proscribed scarves and bandannas, but not face shields.
https://healthywa.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Coronavirus/Face-masks
It was already too late anyway, they’d let him in. He was at the checkout next to mine as I went through.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I reckon we are just a healthier lot here in Australia and NZ. Better immune systems. Probably more sunshine and plenty of wind to keep the air clean.
;)
it’s true Australians really are quite an exceptional people
Healthwise, the Europeans in Australia have been healthier than Europeans in Europe since we came here. Even the immigrant women had difficulty with birthing large babies when the first generation was produced. And the men and boys sent to the world wars were larger and healthier than their European counterparts.
uh we thought this BatManWuHan virus thing* was bad specifically for diabetics
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26045324/
Fetal macrosomia, defined as a birth weight ≥ 4,000 g, may affect 12% of newborns of normal women and 15-45% of newborns of women with gestational diabetes mellitus (GDM). The increased risk of macrosomia in GDM is mainly due to the increased insulin resistance of the mother.
*: and not just that, the pig’flu’ thing as well, right, maybe there’s something in all this
Woodie said:
transition said:
buffy said:Not in the early stages. Remember the ads? My brother in law tried to stop Mr buffy being near my nieces. There was a lot of fear around. (BIL was a doctor. Should have known better)
more pointing to your pointing to covid, regard fear in response to, suggesting more of is rational aversion
aids was a small thing really compared to what covid could possibly do rampant, is doing elsewhere in some other countries, has done
still reckon they are incomparable
You were saying?GLOBAL HIV STATISTICS
26 million people were accessing antiretroviral therapy as of the end of June 2020.
38.0 million people globally were living with HIV in 2019.
1.7 million people became newly infected with HIV in 2019.690 000 people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2019.
75.7 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
32.7 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
maybe but is that with good treatment, versus massive mortality in we-aren’t-a-shithole-country countries despite all the intensve care and shit
and is that with HIV being let rip or is that with preventative measures
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:You didn’t have to wear them in the home anyway, you silly!
Who knows, he may have a secret girlfriend?
enough of this gender discrimination
I did actually think I should say /boyfriend but thought, stop it what you posted is bad enough.
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
I’m mostly used to the mask, its does make glasses fog up until you find the right spot and its annoying when you need to breath deeply but it’s mostly forgettable
Speaking of masks, I saw a bloke in the shops the other day wearing one of those full face visor shields like a professional whipper-snipper person would use. i guess it counts.
Only if you have a mask on under it.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I reckon we are just a healthier lot here in Australia and NZ. Better immune systems. Probably more sunshine and plenty of wind to keep the air clean.
;)
it’s true Australians really are quite an exceptional people
Healthwise, the Europeans in Australia have been healthier than Europeans in Europe since we came here. Even the immigrant women had difficulty with birthing large babies when the first generation was produced. And the men and boys sent to the world wars were larger and healthier than their European counterparts.
The food is better here.
Woodie said:
transition said:
buffy said:Not in the early stages. Remember the ads? My brother in law tried to stop Mr buffy being near my nieces. There was a lot of fear around. (BIL was a doctor. Should have known better)
more pointing to your pointing to covid, regard fear in response to, suggesting more of is rational aversion
aids was a small thing really compared to what covid could possibly do rampant, is doing elsewhere in some other countries, has done
still reckon they are incomparable
You were saying?GLOBAL HIV STATISTICS
26 million people were accessing antiretroviral therapy as of the end of June 2020.
38.0 million people globally were living with HIV in 2019.
1.7 million people became newly infected with HIV in 2019.690 000 people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2019.
75.7 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
32.7 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
Heck, I knew it was a lot but but I’d almost forgotten AIDS was here. That’s an awful lot.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
transition said:more pointing to your pointing to covid, regard fear in response to, suggesting more of is rational aversion
aids was a small thing really compared to what covid could possibly do rampant, is doing elsewhere in some other countries, has done
still reckon they are incomparable
You were saying?GLOBAL HIV STATISTICS
26 million people were accessing antiretroviral therapy as of the end of June 2020.
38.0 million people globally were living with HIV in 2019.
1.7 million people became newly infected with HIV in 2019.690 000 people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2019.
75.7 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
32.7 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).Heck, I knew it was a lot but but I’d almost forgotten AIDS was here. That’s an awful lot.
Africa. The ones who haven’t got Covid have HIV.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
transition said:more pointing to your pointing to covid, regard fear in response to, suggesting more of is rational aversion
aids was a small thing really compared to what covid could possibly do rampant, is doing elsewhere in some other countries, has done
still reckon they are incomparable
You were saying?GLOBAL HIV STATISTICS
26 million people were accessing antiretroviral therapy as of the end of June 2020.
38.0 million people globally were living with HIV in 2019.
1.7 million people became newly infected with HIV in 2019.690 000 people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2019.
75.7 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
32.7 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).Heck, I knew it was a lot but but I’d almost forgotten AIDS was here. That’s an awful lot.
AIDS/HIV is nothing to sniff at but global deaths from it peaked at 2 million per year in 2005:
https://ourworldindata.org/hiv-aids
COVID killed 2 million last year alone (and possibly far more if we trust estimates of excess deaths) and will kill far more before the world is adequately vaccinated and that doesn’t include deaths if it becomes endemic.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:You were saying?
GLOBAL HIV STATISTICS
26 million people were accessing antiretroviral therapy as of the end of June 2020.
38.0 million people globally were living with HIV in 2019.
1.7 million people became newly infected with HIV in 2019.690 000 people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2019.
75.7 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
32.7 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).Heck, I knew it was a lot but but I’d almost forgotten AIDS was here. That’s an awful lot.
AIDS/HIV is nothing to sniff at but global deaths from it peaked at 2 million per year in 2005:
https://ourworldindata.org/hiv-aids
COVID killed 2 million last year alone (and possibly far more if we trust estimates of excess deaths) and will kill far more before the world is adequately vaccinated and that doesn’t include deaths if it becomes endemic.
WHO bulletin on COVID19 infection fatality rate. John Ionnidis had a go at doing some calculations in September.
>>Acknowledging these limitations, based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented laboratory-confirmed cases. Most locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.<<
All the detail here: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/
Note particularly also: >>COVID-19 has a very steep age gradient for risk of death.80 Moreover, in European countries that have had large numbers of cases and deaths81, and in the USA82, many, and in some cases most, deaths occurred in nursing homes. Locations with many nursing home deaths may have high estimates of the infection fatality rate, but the infection fatality rate would still be low among non-elderly, non-debilitated people. <<
Vaccine efficacy
When covid-19 vaccines meet the new variants of the virus
A lot depends on blocking transmission not just disease
Briefing
Feb 13th 2021 edition
On february 1st researchers around the world saw the tweet for which they had been waiting: “We say with caution, the magic has started”. Eran Segal, a scientist at the Weizmann Institute, had been posting regular updates on the course of Israel’s covid-19 epidemic since its mass vaccination campaign had begun six weeks earlier. By February 1st he was seeing the number of hospitalisations dropping significantly among the over-60s—a cohort in which the number vaccinated had reached 70%, seen as a crucial level, three weeks before. After an expected but still somewhat nail-biting lag, the vaccine was doing its thing.
By February 6th about 85% of the over-60s in Israel—and 40% of the general population—had received at least one dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech mrna vaccine (or in a few cases the Moderna mrna vaccine) and 75% of the over-60s had received their second dose, too. In that age group hospital admissions for covid-19 were about two-thirds what they had been at their peak in January and still falling (see chart 1). At the same time, the country as a whole was seeing its caseload rise.
The vaccine was not the only thing which arrived in Israel late last year. So did b.1.1.7, a highly contagious variant of sars-cov-2, the virus responsible for covid-19, which was first identified in Britain in September. It set about filling up hospital wards in Israel just as it has done in Britain, Ireland and Portugal. Despite an extended lockdown it is still doing so.
It is no surprise that sars-cov-2 has evolved new biological tricks over a year spent infecting more than 100m people. But the near simultaneous arrival of not just b.1.1.7 but also b.1.351, which is now the dominant strain in South Africa, and p.1, a variant first seen in Brazil, is making the roll-out of mass vaccination more complicated and more confusing than might have been hoped when the first evidence of safe, effective vaccines became available last November. How fast the various new variants can spread, how well today’s vaccines work against them and how soon new vaccines better attuned to them—and to the other variants which will turn up over time—become available will determine the course of the pandemic.
Testing the bounds
As of February 10th at least nine vaccines had been authorised for use in one or more countries. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, first out of the gate, has now been authorised for use in 61, as well as for emergency use by the who. The number of doses administered, 148m, now exceeds the number of confirmed covid-19 cases recorded over the entire course of the pandemic. All of the vaccines appear very good at preventing severe cases of covid-19 of the sort that lead to hospitalisation and/or death; in trials which compared the vaccinated with control groups the efficacy with which the various vaccines prevented these outcomes was 85-100%.
Their efficacy against all symptomatic cases of the disease found in trials has been lower, ranging between 66% and 95%. Some of that range is down to intrinsic differences between the vaccines. Some is down to trials being done according to different protocols and in different populations, sometimes against different variants of the virus. It is hard to disentangle such effects. The general message, though, is fairly clear. The vaccines make serious cases of all sorts very rare, and mild-to-moderate cases caused by the original strain of the virus a lot rarer than they would be otherwise.
That is undoubtedly good news; it lessens the death toll, the suffering and the strain on hospitals. But the situation is not perfect. For one thing mild and moderate cases can be worse than they sound. Many cases of “long covid”, a debilitating form of the disease in which some effects last for months, follow original infections that were not severe enough to require hospital admission. It is not yet clear whether long covid is less likely in people who have been vaccinated.
What is more, this pattern of effects does not reveal what the vaccines are doing about transmission. As Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at the University of Florida, points out, there are two ways one can imagine a vaccine bringing about the pattern of protection the covid-19 vaccines have been seen to provide (see chart 2). In one of them the same number of infections occurs as would occur otherwise, but the consequences of these infections are systematically downgraded. Thus almost all of the infections which would lead to severe cases lead to moderate or mild cases, and many of the infections that would have led to moderate or mild cases produce no symptoms at all.
The alternative is that the total number of infections is being reduced, but the ratio of severe to mild to asymptomatic cases stays roughly the same. The already low number of deaths and hospitalisations shrinks to something hardly there. The number of mild cases is similarly deflated (although, since bigger, remains palpable). And so is the number of asymptomatic cases. Indeed, the main difference between the two scenarios is that in one the asymptomatic cases rise, and in the other they fall.
The passing game
In the real world there is almost certainly a bit of both going on: lower infections overall and a lessening of the symptoms that follow, with different vaccines offering different profiles. But considering the two extremes is still instructive. Vaccines which do little more than downgrade the symptoms will be doing relatively little to stop the spread of the virus. Honey-I-shrank-the-infections vaccines, on the other hand, will be making a big dent in the epidemic’s now infamous R number—the number of new infections to which each infection gives rise. If you imagine reducing what are known as “non pharmaceutical interventions”—masks, social distancing, shelter at home orders and the like—that difference would begin to matter a lot.
Some people will not be vaccinated, either because of pre-existing conditions which make it dangerous for them, because there isn’t enough vaccine for everyone, or because they choose not to (see article). If the vaccines are basically downgrading symptoms, then these unvaccinated people will be at risk. If they are making the virus less transmissible that risk will be lessened.
A covid-19 vaccine that is highly effective in preventing transmission will, therefore, be particularly useful. According to a model by Imperial College London, all other things being equal, a vaccine that blocks 40% of infections and thus prevents 40% of disease would have a similar impact on the number of covid-19 deaths as a vaccine that got rid of 80% of disease but left infection untouched.
Epidemiologists are waiting with bated breath for results that will tell them how good existing vaccines are at reducing asymptomatic infections and infectiousness. Data from Israel suggest that the viral load in swabs from infected individuals is lower if they have been vaccinated. Clinical trials of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine suggest that the jab may halve infections as detected by pcr tests. Such results suggest that covid-19 vaccines are likely to reduce overall transmission of the virus. But understanding quite how much transmission is blocked—and the degree to which some vaccines are better at blocking transmission than others—will take months.
And then there is the further complication of the new variants. Vaccines seem to have no particular problem with b.1.1.7. It just complicates things by running through the unimmunised parts of the population that bit faster. b.1.351, which has now been found in more than 30 countries, is of greater concern. At least three vaccines—those from Oxford/AstraZeneca, J&J and Novavax—have been found to be less effective at stopping it from causing disease than they are against variants elsewhere. There is increasing evidence that P.1, now also reported in a number of countries beyond Brazil, also appears to be better at avoiding immunity created by prior infection and by some vaccines.
Countries that have already vaccinated a lot of people could be brought back to square one by the spread of such variants. Britain, where 13m people had been vaccinated as of February 10th, and millions more have been infected and thus have some immunity (British studies have found reinfection very rare for at least five months), is trying hard to keep b.1.351 from making inroads in the population. Health authorities are mass-testing neighbourhoods where cases of b.1.351 have been spotted and are doing particularly meticulous contact tracing when a case is found. Border controls have been tightened.
Eking out an advantage
Not all such new variants can be spotted and stopped at borders. Mutations can arise anywhere—sometimes the phone call is coming from inside the house. But there may be a limited range of mutations about which people need to worry. The new variants all differ from the original virus and from each other in various ways. But p.1 and b.1.351 both share a particular mutational quirk—technically called e484k but mercifully nicknamed Eric or Eek—which makes a specific change to the spike protein on the outside of the virus. Eek has now been found in some isolates of b.1.1.7. too. Researchers are beginning to think that the change Eek represents is what allows those variants to infect people even if they have been vaccinated or previously infected.
It would be great if there were no vaccine-resistant strains. But given that there are, the possibility that they are all using the same trick offers a bit of comfort. It suggests that Eek may be the best way for new variants to avoid immune responses capable of dealing with the original strain, or at least the way evolution can most easily find. If the variants have all converged on the same trick, tweaking vaccines to protect against one may protect against all—and against any later variants to which natural selection teaches the same ruse. If the virus had found a whole panoply of ways by which to avoid existing immune responses things would look a lot worse.
Whether or not Eek turns out to be crucial, new ways of broadening immunity are on their way. Some vaccine-makers are developing booster shots designed to help people vaccinated with earlier versions of their jabs deal with new variants. Others are developing vaccines intended to work for multiple sars-cov-2 variants straight away. On February 3rd GlaxoSmithKline and CureVac, a German biotech company with an mrna vaccine in late-stage clinical trials, added their names to those developing such “multivalent” vaccines.
Tweaked covid-19 vaccines will not be required to go through large scale clinical trials to prove their efficacy, any more than updated seasonal flu shots do; small trials that look for markers of immunity in the blood may suffice. Britain’s National Health Service, which should be able to vaccinate all adults who choose to be jabbed by the end of the summer, is already starting to make plans for a round of covid-19 booster shots aimed at new variants in the autumn. Increased surveillance may yet provide advance warning of which variants need to be dealt with by subsequent tweaks. It will take luck, diligence and hard work, but the magic that started at the beginning of this year may be made to last for many years to come.
https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/02/13/when-covid-19-vaccines-meet-the-new-variants-of-the-virus?
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Heck, I knew it was a lot but but I’d almost forgotten AIDS was here. That’s an awful lot.
AIDS/HIV is nothing to sniff at but global deaths from it peaked at 2 million per year in 2005:
https://ourworldindata.org/hiv-aids
COVID killed 2 million last year alone (and possibly far more if we trust estimates of excess deaths) and will kill far more before the world is adequately vaccinated and that doesn’t include deaths if it becomes endemic.
WHO bulletin on COVID19 infection fatality rate. John Ionnidis had a go at doing some calculations in September.
>>Acknowledging these limitations, based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented laboratory-confirmed cases. Most locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.<<
All the detail here: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/
Note particularly also: >>COVID-19 has a very steep age gradient for risk of death.80 Moreover, in European countries that have had large numbers of cases and deaths81, and in the USA82, many, and in some cases most, deaths occurred in nursing homes. Locations with many nursing home deaths may have high estimates of the infection fatality rate, but the infection fatality rate would still be low among non-elderly, non-debilitated people. <<
Regardless of how the death rate per infection is falling it has still killed over 2 million people. That is far and away more deadly than AIDS in the 1980s.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:AIDS/HIV is nothing to sniff at but global deaths from it peaked at 2 million per year in 2005:
https://ourworldindata.org/hiv-aids
COVID killed 2 million last year alone (and possibly far more if we trust estimates of excess deaths) and will kill far more before the world is adequately vaccinated and that doesn’t include deaths if it becomes endemic.
WHO bulletin on COVID19 infection fatality rate. John Ionnidis had a go at doing some calculations in September.
>>Acknowledging these limitations, based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented laboratory-confirmed cases. Most locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.<<
All the detail here: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/
Note particularly also: >>COVID-19 has a very steep age gradient for risk of death.80 Moreover, in European countries that have had large numbers of cases and deaths81, and in the USA82, many, and in some cases most, deaths occurred in nursing homes. Locations with many nursing home deaths may have high estimates of the infection fatality rate, but the infection fatality rate would still be low among non-elderly, non-debilitated people. <<
Regardless of how the death rate per infection is falling it has still killed over 2 million people. That is far and away more deadly than AIDS in the 1980s.
ah but once we reach flock immunity there will be no more killing the end
they promised
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:AIDS/HIV is nothing to sniff at but global deaths from it peaked at 2 million per year in 2005:
https://ourworldindata.org/hiv-aids
COVID killed 2 million last year alone (and possibly far more if we trust estimates of excess deaths) and will kill far more before the world is adequately vaccinated and that doesn’t include deaths if it becomes endemic.
WHO bulletin on COVID19 infection fatality rate. John Ionnidis had a go at doing some calculations in September.
>>Acknowledging these limitations, based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented laboratory-confirmed cases. Most locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.<<
All the detail here: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/
Note particularly also: >>COVID-19 has a very steep age gradient for risk of death.80 Moreover, in European countries that have had large numbers of cases and deaths81, and in the USA82, many, and in some cases most, deaths occurred in nursing homes. Locations with many nursing home deaths may have high estimates of the infection fatality rate, but the infection fatality rate would still be low among non-elderly, non-debilitated people. <<
Regardless of how the death rate per infection is falling it has still killed over 2 million people. That is far and away more deadly than AIDS in the 1980s.
I haven’t found the death rate per infection for HIV AIDS over time. But it’s high.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:WHO bulletin on COVID19 infection fatality rate. John Ionnidis had a go at doing some calculations in September.
>>Acknowledging these limitations, based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented laboratory-confirmed cases. Most locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.<<
All the detail here: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/
Note particularly also: >>COVID-19 has a very steep age gradient for risk of death.80 Moreover, in European countries that have had large numbers of cases and deaths81, and in the USA82, many, and in some cases most, deaths occurred in nursing homes. Locations with many nursing home deaths may have high estimates of the infection fatality rate, but the infection fatality rate would still be low among non-elderly, non-debilitated people. <<
Regardless of how the death rate per infection is falling it has still killed over 2 million people. That is far and away more deadly than AIDS in the 1980s.
I haven’t found the death rate per infection for HIV AIDS over time. But it’s high.
we mean, everyone who ever caught HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, HCoV-NL63, or HCoV-229E is going to die
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:WHO bulletin on COVID19 infection fatality rate. John Ionnidis had a go at doing some calculations in September.
>>Acknowledging these limitations, based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented laboratory-confirmed cases. Most locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.<<
All the detail here: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/
Note particularly also: >>COVID-19 has a very steep age gradient for risk of death.80 Moreover, in European countries that have had large numbers of cases and deaths81, and in the USA82, many, and in some cases most, deaths occurred in nursing homes. Locations with many nursing home deaths may have high estimates of the infection fatality rate, but the infection fatality rate would still be low among non-elderly, non-debilitated people. <<
Regardless of how the death rate per infection is falling it has still killed over 2 million people. That is far and away more deadly than AIDS in the 1980s.
I haven’t found the death rate per infection for HIV AIDS over time. But it’s high.
Certainly but you’re far more likely to die from COVID in 2020 than AIDS in any of the years of the 1980s in Europe/USA etc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States
You’re not going to contract HIV from someone breathing on you at the shops.
party_pants said:
You’re not going to contract HIV from someone breathing on you at the shops.
Depends why they are breathing on you.
party_pants said:
You’re not going to contract HIV from someone breathing on you at the shops.
more specifically as any of most given individuals, you can basically cut your risk of getting HIV to 0 just by some simple choices that have relatively little impact, whereas going about usual daily life even with a few minimal precautions is likely to get you and your contacts all fkdup by SARS-CoV-2
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Regardless of how the death rate per infection is falling it has still killed over 2 million people. That is far and away more deadly than AIDS in the 1980s.
I haven’t found the death rate per infection for HIV AIDS over time. But it’s high.
Certainly but you’re far more likely to die from COVID in 2020 than AIDS in any of the years of the 1980s in Europe/USA etc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States
But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:I haven’t found the death rate per infection for HIV AIDS over time. But it’s high.
Certainly but you’re far more likely to die from COVID in 2020 than AIDS in any of the years of the 1980s in Europe/USA etc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States
But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
probably requires comparative numbers to substantiate
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Certainly but you’re far more likely to die from COVID in 2020 than AIDS in any of the years of the 1980s in Europe/USA etc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States
But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
probably requires comparative numbers to substantiate
See previous posts.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:I haven’t found the death rate per infection for HIV AIDS over time. But it’s high.
Certainly but you’re far more likely to die from COVID in 2020 than AIDS in any of the years of the 1980s in Europe/USA etc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States
But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
What do you mean by ‘specialty’ contagious? I see what you’re getting at but HIV was understood very early on to be transmitted by unsafe sex or sharing needles and is in the end quite difficult to catch. You allude to mass hysteria in the reaction to COVID: would you say the same of HIV in the 1980s?
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Certainly but you’re far more likely to die from COVID in 2020 than AIDS in any of the years of the 1980s in Europe/USA etc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States
But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
What do you mean by ‘specialty’ contagious? I see what you’re getting at but HIV was understood very early on to be transmitted by unsafe sex or sharing needles and is in the end quite difficult to catch. You allude to mass hysteria in the reaction to COVID: would you say the same of HIV in the 1980s?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-commercial-that-scared-us-and-might-have-saved-us-20120404-1wcyy.html
I hope you’re not going to the pub tonight, Buffy.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
What do you mean by ‘specialty’ contagious? I see what you’re getting at but HIV was understood very early on to be transmitted by unsafe sex or sharing needles and is in the end quite difficult to catch. You allude to mass hysteria in the reaction to COVID: would you say the same of HIV in the 1980s?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-commercial-that-scared-us-and-might-have-saved-us-20120404-1wcyy.html
~78 million infected with hiv world wide since discovery, ~39 million have died.
~107 million Covid cases worldwide, ~2.4 million deaths.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Certainly but you’re far more likely to die from COVID in 2020 than AIDS in any of the years of the 1980s in Europe/USA etc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States
But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
What do you mean by ‘specialty’ contagious? I see what you’re getting at but HIV was understood very early on to be transmitted by unsafe sex or sharing needles and is in the end quite difficult to catch. You allude to mass hysteria in the reaction to COVID: would you say the same of HIV in the 1980s?
Mass hysteria? Absolutely with HIV.
Peak Warming Man said:
I hope you’re not going to the pub tonight, Buffy.
The restrictions don’t start until midnight.
:)
(But we had already ordered takeaway pizza. Mr buffy is picking it up now)
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:But I am talking about the risk of death if you catch it. You have to differentiate between a highly contagious virus that basically becomes part of the environment that doesn’t kill most of the people who catch it (COVID19) and a specialty contagious virus that has very circumscribed methods of dispersion that kills a great many of the people who catch it. And you and I are not particularly likely to die from COVID19, unless there is something I don’t know about you and you are actually an octagenarian, or have some horrible illness already.
What do you mean by ‘specialty’ contagious? I see what you’re getting at but HIV was understood very early on to be transmitted by unsafe sex or sharing needles and is in the end quite difficult to catch. You allude to mass hysteria in the reaction to COVID: would you say the same of HIV in the 1980s?
Mass hysteria? Absolutely with HIV.
Oh, by specialty contagious I meant there are only certain activities by which you can catch it.
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I hope you’re not going to the pub tonight, Buffy.
The restrictions don’t start until midnight.
:)
(But we had already ordered takeaway pizza. Mr buffy is picking it up now)
I bet your pizza doesn’t have uncooked pearl barley in it.
Published 5th January 2021:
Assessing mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closure effects on the spread of COVID‐19
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13484
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I hope you’re not going to the pub tonight, Buffy.
The restrictions don’t start until midnight.
:)
(But we had already ordered takeaway pizza. Mr buffy is picking it up now)
I bet your pizza doesn’t have uncooked pearl barley in it.
>chuckles<
Ah dear….
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I hope you’re not going to the pub tonight, Buffy.
The restrictions don’t start until midnight.
:)
(But we had already ordered takeaway pizza. Mr buffy is picking it up now)
I bet your pizza doesn’t have uncooked pearl barley in it.
That is going to be rather crunchy, if not inedible.
Woodie said:
transition said:
buffy said:Not in the early stages. Remember the ads? My brother in law tried to stop Mr buffy being near my nieces. There was a lot of fear around. (BIL was a doctor. Should have known better)
more pointing to your pointing to covid, regard fear in response to, suggesting more of is rational aversion
aids was a small thing really compared to what covid could possibly do rampant, is doing elsewhere in some other countries, has done
still reckon they are incomparable
You were saying?GLOBAL HIV STATISTICS
26 million people were accessing antiretroviral therapy as of the end of June 2020.
38.0 million people globally were living with HIV in 2019.
1.7 million people became newly infected with HIV in 2019.690 000 people died from AIDS-related illnesses in 2019.
75.7 million people have become infected with HIV since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
32.7 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses since the start of the epidemic (end 2019).
HIV certainly bigger than I thought, my ignorance too
poikilotherm said:
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What do you mean by ‘specialty’ contagious? I see what you’re getting at but HIV was understood very early on to be transmitted by unsafe sex or sharing needles and is in the end quite difficult to catch. You allude to mass hysteria in the reaction to COVID: would you say the same of HIV in the 1980s?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-commercial-that-scared-us-and-might-have-saved-us-20120404-1wcyy.html
~78 million infected with hiv world wide since discovery, ~39 million have died.
~107 million Covid cases worldwide, ~2.4 million deaths.
good point so if we gave this the same exposure then we’d be looking at 4066 million COVID-19 cases worldwide and 91.2 million deaths well fuck
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
JudgeMental said:https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-commercial-that-scared-us-and-might-have-saved-us-20120404-1wcyy.html
~78 million infected with hiv world wide since discovery, ~39 million have died.
~107 million Covid cases worldwide, ~2.4 million deaths.
good point so if we gave this the same exposure then we’d be looking at 4066 million COVID-19 cases worldwide and 91.2 million deaths well fuck
Almost herd immunity for the planet.
Divine Angel said:
There you are then.
Back in the spring of last year, a 45-year-old man went to the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston because of a coronavirus infection. Doctors treated him with steroids and discharged him five days later.
But the infection never went away — for 154 days. “He was readmitted to the hospital several times over the subsequent five months for recurrence of his COVID-19 infection and severe pneumonia,” says infectious disease doctor Jonathan Li at Harvard Medical School, who helped treat the man.
“So this is an extraordinary individual,” Li says.
So extraordinary in fact that this man’s case is offering scientists surprising clues about where the new coronavirus variants emerged and why they’re causing explosive outbreaks on three continents.
To be clear here, the man wasn’t what doctors call a “long hauler,” or a person who clears a coronavirus infection and then continues to have health problems for months. This man had living, growing virus in his body for five months, Li says. The same infection lasted for five months.
“That is one of the remarkable aspects of this case,” Li says. “In fact, he was highly infectious even five months after the initial diagnosis.”
This man had a severe autoimmune disease that required him to take drugs to suppress his immune system. So his body couldn’t fight off the coronavirus infection as well as a healthy person could. He would get better for a while, and then the virus would counterattack. He would fall sick again. Eventually, he ended up in the intensive care unit. He passed away five months after the initial diagnosis.
Throughout the man’s infection, Li and his colleagues ran an illuminating experiment. Every few weeks, the team extracted coronavirus from the man’s body and sequenced the virus’s genome.
Li couldn’t believe what they found. “I was shocked,” he says. “When I saw the virus sequences, I knew that we were dealing with something completely different and potentially very important.”
The sequences showed Li and his team that the virus was changing very quickly inside the man’s body. The virus wasn’t picking up just one or two mutations at a time. But rather, it acquired a whole cluster of more than 20 mutations. Scientists had never seen SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, mutate so quickly during the whole pandemic.
Furthermore, laboratory experiments have shown that some of those mutations help the virus bypass detection by antibodies.
“Toward the very end of his life, he was treated with monoclonal antibodies, from Regeneron,” Li says. “And shortly thereafter, we saw evidence that suggested the virus was developing resistance or escaping from these antibodies as well.”
Li and his colleagues published their findings in The New England Journal of Medicine in early November 2020 with little fanfare. Then about a month later, the pandemic took a surprising turn — and this peculiar case in Boston took on a new importance.
Scientists in the U.K. and South Africa announced they had detected new variants of the coronavirus. These variants were causing huge surges of COVID-19 in these countries.
When researchers looked at the genes of these variants, guess what they found? A cluster of mutations that looked remarkably similar to the mutations found in the virus from the Boston patient. The sets of mutations weren’t exactly identical, but they shared important characteristics. They both had about 20 mutations, and they shared several key ones, including a mutation (N501Y) known to help the virus bind more tightly to human cells and another mutation (E484K) known to help the virus evade antibody detection.
Since Li and his colleagues published their findings, several other teams have reported similar cases in which the virus evolved rapidly inside an immunocompromised person with a chronic coronavirus infection.
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“So we have a number of examples, around the planet, in which patients’ viruses suddenly have a whole mess of new mutations all at once,” says virologist Jeremy Luban at the University of Massachusetts Medical School. And other cases have likely gone undetected, he says.
So scientists are starting to think the two phenomena could be related. That perhaps the new variants arose inside people similar to the man in Boston — that is, people who are immunocompromised and have long-term coronavirus infections.
“I think that’s the leading theory,” Luban says.
In other words, perhaps the coronavirus uses long-term infections as a mutational testing ground. While inside one person, the virus can try out all these different combinations of mutations and figure out, through trial and error, which ones are best at evading the immune system or helping the virus become more infectious.
Most of these viral versions probably don’t spread beyond the chronically infected patient. But every once in a while, as the theory goes, a variant gets lucky, infects a large number of people and launches a new whole stage of the pandemic.
And this process is likely happening again right now, worldwide, in other immunocompromised patients. Eventually, these new variants could mutate again and create even more dangerous forms of the coronavirus.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/05/964447070/where-did-the-coronavirus-variants-come-from
sarahs mum said:
Back in the spring of last year, a 45-year-old man went to the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston because of a coronavirus infection. Doctors treated him with steroids and discharged him five days later. But the infection never went away — for 154 days. “To be clear here, the man wasn’t what doctors call a “long hauler,” or a person who clears a coronavirus infection and then continues to have health problems for months. This man had living, growing virus in his body for five months, Li says. The same infection lasted for five months. “In fact, he was highly infectious even five months after the initial diagnosis.”
This man had a severe autoimmune disease that required him to take drugs to suppress his immune system. So his body couldn’t fight off the coronavirus infection as well as a healthy person could. He would get better for a while, and then the virus would counterattack. He would fall sick again. Eventually, he ended up in the intensive care unit. He passed away five months after the initial diagnosis.
The sequences showed Li and his team that the virus was changing very quickly inside the man’s body. The virus wasn’t picking up just one or two mutations at a time. But rather, it acquired a whole cluster of more than 20 mutations. Scientists had never seen SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, mutate so quickly during the whole pandemic.
So scientists are starting to think the two phenomena could be related. That perhaps the new variants arose inside people similar to the man in Boston — that is, people who are immunocompromised and have long-term coronavirus infections. “I think that’s the leading theory,” Luban says.
so in summary we should let it rip for flock immunity, and make sure we kill all the immunosuppressed weak people
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Back in the spring of last year, a 45-year-old man went to the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston because of a coronavirus infection. Doctors treated him with steroids and discharged him five days later. But the infection never went away — for 154 days. “To be clear here, the man wasn’t what doctors call a “long hauler,” or a person who clears a coronavirus infection and then continues to have health problems for months. This man had living, growing virus in his body for five months, Li says. The same infection lasted for five months. “In fact, he was highly infectious even five months after the initial diagnosis.”
This man had a severe autoimmune disease that required him to take drugs to suppress his immune system. So his body couldn’t fight off the coronavirus infection as well as a healthy person could. He would get better for a while, and then the virus would counterattack. He would fall sick again. Eventually, he ended up in the intensive care unit. He passed away five months after the initial diagnosis.
The sequences showed Li and his team that the virus was changing very quickly inside the man’s body. The virus wasn’t picking up just one or two mutations at a time. But rather, it acquired a whole cluster of more than 20 mutations. Scientists had never seen SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, mutate so quickly during the whole pandemic.
So scientists are starting to think the two phenomena could be related. That perhaps the new variants arose inside people similar to the man in Boston — that is, people who are immunocompromised and have long-term coronavirus infections. “I think that’s the leading theory,” Luban says.
so in summary we should let it rip for flock immunity, and make sure we kill all the immunosuppressed weak people
um…couldn’t we just try really hard to make sure the immunosuppressed don’t get it?
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Back in the spring of last year, a 45-year-old man went to the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston because of a coronavirus infection. Doctors treated him with steroids and discharged him five days later. But the infection never went away — for 154 days. “To be clear here, the man wasn’t what doctors call a “long hauler,” or a person who clears a coronavirus infection and then continues to have health problems for months. This man had living, growing virus in his body for five months, Li says. The same infection lasted for five months. “In fact, he was highly infectious even five months after the initial diagnosis.”
This man had a severe autoimmune disease that required him to take drugs to suppress his immune system. So his body couldn’t fight off the coronavirus infection as well as a healthy person could. He would get better for a while, and then the virus would counterattack. He would fall sick again. Eventually, he ended up in the intensive care unit. He passed away five months after the initial diagnosis.
The sequences showed Li and his team that the virus was changing very quickly inside the man’s body. The virus wasn’t picking up just one or two mutations at a time. But rather, it acquired a whole cluster of more than 20 mutations. Scientists had never seen SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, mutate so quickly during the whole pandemic.
So scientists are starting to think the two phenomena could be related. That perhaps the new variants arose inside people similar to the man in Boston — that is, people who are immunocompromised and have long-term coronavirus infections. “I think that’s the leading theory,” Luban says.
so in summary we should let it rip for flock immunity, and make sure we kill all the immunosuppressed weak people
um…couldn’t we just try really hard to make sure the immunosuppressed don’t get it?
Let’s carry on doing the right thing and not be led astray by the Murdochs and the right-wing stink tanks etc.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:so in summary we should let it rip for flock immunity, and make sure we kill all the immunosuppressed weak people
um…couldn’t we just try really hard to make sure the immunosuppressed don’t get it?
Let’s carry on doing the right thing and not be led astray by the Murdochs and the right-wing stink tanks etc.
We would hope so, though not everyone agrees.
Meanwhile, found this https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1359863858609999877 a good read. Seems to dabble in evolution and genomics but not a clinician as far as we see.
On the topic of covid becoming an endemic virus. You hear this a lot; sometimes in response to critiques against strategies of elimination, sometimes just as a statement in its on right.
One thing about having so many vaccines is that it is highly likely that they will have differing effectiveness against different variants. We should be running trials world-wide to determine if differing outbreaks can be best treated by different vaccines.
Witty Rejoinder said:
One thing about having so many vaccines is that it is highly likely that they will have differing effectiveness against different variants. We should be running trials world-wide to determine if differing outbreaks can be best treated by different vaccines.
Australia is :)
Divine Angel said:
What I don’t get here is what happened to the lightning strike?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/hotel-quarantine-ventilation-air-purifiers-reduce-covid-threat/13146068
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
What I don’t get here is what happened to the lightning strike?
It got depressed from being too negative and had to go to hospital, it was discharged the next day after feeling more positive.
:)
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
What I don’t get here is what happened to the lightning strike?
It got depressed from being too negative and had to go to hospital, it was discharged the next day after feeling more positive.
:)
:)
Didn’t quite get to herd immunity…
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
What I don’t get here is what happened to the lightning strike?
Orange circle: chance – 1:12,000.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
What I don’t get here is what happened to the lightning strike?
Orange circle: chance – 1:12,000.
There it is. Amazing how one can miss things.
poikilotherm said:
Didn’t quite get to herd immunity…
Donald will be disappointed.
Business)Instagram on Wednesday took down the account of controversial anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
“We removed this account for repeatedly sharing debunked claims about the coronavirus or vaccines,” a spokesperson for Facebook, which owns Instagram, said in a statement.
Kennedy, the son of late former US Attorney General, US Senator and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, has repeatedly spoken out against vaccines.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/10/tech/robert-kennedy-jr-instagram-ban/index.html
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Didn’t quite get to herd immunity…
Donald will be disappointed.
or proud, since it does almost look like his profile
that’s one way to leave your mark on history
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:What I don’t get here is what happened to the lightning strike?
Orange circle: chance – 1:12,000.
There it is. Amazing how one can miss things.
still in the same place you know what they say
No other country was doing this, they said. They wanted to see if you could ship plane-loads of potentially-infected overseas arrivals into a country that has effectively eliminated the disease without transmitting it to the wider community.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/victoria-5-day-lockdown-hotel-quarantine-questions/13146512
“potentially” LOL
also
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/health-expert-warns-tokyo-olympics-could-be-deadly/13100288
let’s go
or not
SCIENCE said:
No other country was doing this, they said. They wanted to see if you could ship plane-loads of potentially-infected overseas arrivals into a country that has effectively eliminated the disease without transmitting it to the wider community.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/victoria-5-day-lockdown-hotel-quarantine-questions/13146512
“potentially” LOL
also
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/health-expert-warns-tokyo-olympics-could-be-deadly/13100288
let’s go
or not
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
No other country was doing this, they said. They wanted to see if you could ship plane-loads of potentially-infected overseas arrivals into a country that has effectively eliminated the disease without transmitting it to the wider community.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/victoria-5-day-lockdown-hotel-quarantine-questions/13146512
“potentially” LOL
also
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/health-expert-warns-tokyo-olympics-could-be-deadly/13100288
let’s go
or not
Victoria will probably send a team.
must be almost reopen for new year time
two k per day what could go wrong
*rolls dyes*
or should that be dies
I thought we were at the head of the queue for the vaccine? Where is it? lots of other countries appear to be giving it out.
Dude on the Beeb last night was saying there is another problem with the South African variant.
Apparently it is infecting people who have recovered from the old virus at the same rate it is infecting people who haven’t had it.
We got a problem.
Peak Warming Man said:
Dude on the Beeb last night was saying there is another problem with the South African variant.
Apparently it is infecting people who have recovered from the old virus at the same rate it is infecting people who haven’t had it.
We got a problem.
Nods. It also is infectious to others earlier in it’s course.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Dude on the Beeb last night was saying there is another problem with the South African variant.
Apparently it is infecting people who have recovered from the old virus at the same rate it is infecting people who haven’t had it.
We got a problem.
Nods. It also is infectious to others earlier in it’s course.
so flock immunity is imminent then is that right
(though the earlier infectiousness might help with limiting the difficulty of contact tracing, if only people were smart enough to get tested early in their symptom time instead of waiting 3 days as seems common)
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Dude on the Beeb last night was saying there is another problem with the South African variant.
Apparently it is infecting people who have recovered from the old virus at the same rate it is infecting people who haven’t had it.
We got a problem.
Nods. It also is infectious to others earlier in it’s course.
so flock immunity is imminent then is that right
(though the earlier infectiousness might help with limiting the difficulty of contact tracing, if only people were smart enough to get tested early in their symptom time instead of waiting 3 days as seems common)
> so flock immunity is imminent then is that right
Herd immunity could have been sold as a vaccine back as early as March 2020. Before the virus learnt to infect the same person twice.
Borrowed from a mate:
Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.
If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
Well, locking down the whole of Victoria seems a bit much. The WA one, at least, just did the city and nearby high population regions…
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
Also Scott Morrison will get the credit for anything that goes right.
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
Well, locking down the whole of Victoria seems a bit much. The WA one, at least, just did the city and nearby high population regions…
yeah, lotsa people in pemby.
;-)
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
Well, locking down the whole of Victoria seems a bit much. The WA one, at least, just did the city and nearby high population regions…
You have invoked my favourite question – How?. How would it by possible to shut down part of the state for five days.
Rule 303 said:
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
Well, locking down the whole of Victoria seems a bit much. The WA one, at least, just did the city and nearby high population regions…
You have invoked my favourite question – How?. How would it by possible to shut down part of the state for five days.
armed guards on every road out of melbourne.
:-)
JudgeMental said:
Rule 303 said:
furious said:Well, locking down the whole of Victoria seems a bit much. The WA one, at least, just did the city and nearby high population regions…
You have invoked my favourite question – How?. How would it by possible to shut down part of the state for five days.
armed guards on every road out of melbourne.
:-)
the use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the border runners HAS been approved.
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
Rule 303 said:You have invoked my favourite question – How?. How would it by possible to shut down part of the state for five days.
armed guards on every road out of melbourne.
:-)
the use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the border runners HAS been approved.
You’d need an old Mt Prospect Police car, with a cop motor, a 440-cubic-inch plant, cop tires, cop suspension, and cop shocks. Get a model made before catalytic converters so it’ll run good on regular gas…
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
Rule 303 said:You have invoked my favourite question – How?. How would it by possible to shut down part of the state for five days.
armed guards on every road out of melbourne.
:-)
the use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the border runners HAS been approved.
Its probably not completely enforceable, plenty of back roads and such, but if the majority comply then it goes some way towards achieving the goal…
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
lockdown fatigue, haven’t had anything like it in this State, thinking about it today, not seen half of it here
credit to victorians and their government, done some hard yards, not just for themselves, benefits the entire country
watched some of the media hounding today, didn’t look pleasant, adds to the work
transition said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
lockdown fatigue, haven’t had anything like it in this State, thinking about it today, not seen half of it here
credit to victorians and their government, done some hard yards, not just for themselves, benefits the entire country
watched some of the media hounding today, didn’t look pleasant, adds to the work
Yes, but eventually people get to say, “fuck me, why is it always here?” and they begin to perhaps question the government in charge.
sibeen said:
transition said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
lockdown fatigue, haven’t had anything like it in this State, thinking about it today, not seen half of it here
credit to victorians and their government, done some hard yards, not just for themselves, benefits the entire country
watched some of the media hounding today, didn’t look pleasant, adds to the work
Yes, but eventually people get to say, “fuck me, why is it always here?” and they begin to perhaps question the government in charge.
Hotel quarantine has been passable, tens of thousands through (apparently) and only a handful of outbreaks. However, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is lunacy, or some such. Perhaps, a different approach is required…
furious said:
sibeen said:
transition said:lockdown fatigue, haven’t had anything like it in this State, thinking about it today, not seen half of it here
credit to victorians and their government, done some hard yards, not just for themselves, benefits the entire country
watched some of the media hounding today, didn’t look pleasant, adds to the work
Yes, but eventually people get to say, “fuck me, why is it always here?” and they begin to perhaps question the government in charge.
Hotel quarantine has been passable, tens of thousands through (apparently) and only a handful of outbreaks. However, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is lunacy, or some such. Perhaps, a different approach is required…
Maybe it is the best we can do.
party_pants said:
furious said:
sibeen said:Yes, but eventually people get to say, “fuck me, why is it always here?” and they begin to perhaps question the government in charge.
Hotel quarantine has been passable, tens of thousands through (apparently) and only a handful of outbreaks. However, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is lunacy, or some such. Perhaps, a different approach is required…
Maybe it is the best we can do.
It probably comes down to the numbers of international arrivals but the Howard Springs thing in the NT seems to be working and you don’t hear anything about what goes on in Tassie…
furious said:
party_pants said:
furious said:Hotel quarantine has been passable, tens of thousands through (apparently) and only a handful of outbreaks. However, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is lunacy, or some such. Perhaps, a different approach is required…
Maybe it is the best we can do.
It probably comes down to the numbers of international arrivals but the Howard Springs thing in the NT seems to be working and you don’t hear anything about what goes on in Tassie…
For Vic, I really believe the best hope we’ve got is to re-house all the women at the Ravenhall correction centre (Dame Phyllis Frost), staff it with the right people (Australian Border Force, the federal agency who are responsible for Australia’s biosecurity) and take people directly there from the airports.
Rule 303 said:
furious said:
party_pants said:Maybe it is the best we can do.
It probably comes down to the numbers of international arrivals but the Howard Springs thing in the NT seems to be working and you don’t hear anything about what goes on in Tassie…
For Vic, I really believe the best hope we’ve got is to re-house all the women at the Ravenhall correction centre (Dame Phyllis Frost), staff it with the right people (Australian Border Force, the federal agency who are responsible for Australia’s biosecurity) and take people directly there from the airports.
Even in hotels, why have security on every floor? Set up cctv and monitor it from a control room, lock the doors and set the lifts to only operate, up and down, using swipe card – a lot of hotels already have that for floor access anyway. No need for “guests” to have a swipe card…
sibeen said:
transition said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
lockdown fatigue, haven’t had anything like it in this State, thinking about it today, not seen half of it here
credit to victorians and their government, done some hard yards, not just for themselves, benefits the entire country
watched some of the media hounding today, didn’t look pleasant, adds to the work
Yes, but eventually people get to say, “fuck me, why is it always here?” and they begin to perhaps question the government in charge.
it’s a tough one, for the moment corona is a level 3+ biohazard i’d rate it
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
furious said:It probably comes down to the numbers of international arrivals but the Howard Springs thing in the NT seems to be working and you don’t hear anything about what goes on in Tassie…
For Vic, I really believe the best hope we’ve got is to re-house all the women at the Ravenhall correction centre (Dame Phyllis Frost), staff it with the right people (Australian Border Force, the federal agency who are responsible for Australia’s biosecurity) and take people directly there from the airports.
Even in hotels, why have security on every floor? Set up cctv and monitor it from a control room, lock the doors and set the lifts to only operate, up and down, using swipe card – a lot of hotels already have that for floor access anyway. No need for “guests” to have a swipe card…
Imagine A Remote Quarantine Facility Where Since It’s Pretty Safe To Just Hang Out When Hardly Anyone Is Around, There Is No Need To Guard Every Corridor
sibeen said:
transition said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
lockdown fatigue, haven’t had anything like it in this State, thinking about it today, not seen half of it here
credit to victorians and their government, done some hard yards, not just for themselves, benefits the entire country
watched some of the media hounding today, didn’t look pleasant, adds to the work
Yes, but eventually people get to say, “fuck me, why is it always here?” and they begin to perhaps question the government in charge.
well
maybe
fail quarantine once, shame on the clients; fail quarantine twice, shame on the people who run it
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1613225062
People with learning disabilities have been given do not resuscitate orders during the second wave of the pandemic, in spite of widespread condemnation of the practice last year and an urgent investigation by the care watchdog.
Mencap said it had received reports in January from people with learning disabilities that they had been told they would not be resuscitated if they were taken ill with Covid-19.
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Two white tiger cubs in Pakistan zoo die of suspected COVID-19 infection
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1613225062People with learning disabilities have been given do not resuscitate orders during the second wave of the pandemic, in spite of widespread condemnation of the practice last year and an urgent investigation by the care watchdog.
Mencap said it had received reports in January from people with learning disabilities that they had been told they would not be resuscitated if they were taken ill with Covid-19.
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Add a point for Team Eugenics.
Rule 303 said:
furious said:
Rule 303 said:
Borrowed from a mate:Spot the difference.
South Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
NSW has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Western Australia has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = good and decisive action, well done.
Victoria has an HQ breakout so imposes a snap lockdown = sack this incompetent government.If anyone can explain why this reaction is in any way acceptable, keep it to yourself.
Well, locking down the whole of Victoria seems a bit much. The WA one, at least, just did the city and nearby high population regions…
You have invoked my favourite question – How?. How would it by possible to shut down part of the state for five days.
Isn’t that what NSW did with the north Sydney outbreak?
SCIENCE said:
furious said:
Rule 303 said:For Vic, I really believe the best hope we’ve got is to re-house all the women at the Ravenhall correction centre (Dame Phyllis Frost), staff it with the right people (Australian Border Force, the federal agency who are responsible for Australia’s biosecurity) and take people directly there from the airports.
Even in hotels, why have security on every floor? Set up cctv and monitor it from a control room, lock the doors and set the lifts to only operate, up and down, using swipe card – a lot of hotels already have that for floor access anyway. No need for “guests” to have a swipe card…
Imagine A Remote Quarantine Facility Where Since It’s Pretty Safe To Just Hang Out When Hardly Anyone Is Around, There Is No Need To Guard Every Corridor
well it’sn’t exactly “remote” but it was hard enough to get to from Number 1 so yeah
Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton says a purpose-built quarantine facility with fresh air would be great for welfare issues
A team of Victorian government officials will investigate using parcels of land near the Melbourne and Avalon airports to construct standalone accommodation hubs.
The planning work is “well advanced”, and a delegation will travel to the NT to see how the Howard Springs facility is set up.
“It’s more than just scoping it — we are going to get on and build a facility,” Mr Andrews said.Avalon Airport’s CEO is in talks about a new purpose-built quarantine facility on airport land
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/nsw-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-roll-out-announcement/13162426
>>NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says 35,000 frontline workers in the state will receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine from Monday.
She said the process would take three weeks and vaccines would be administered at Westmead, Liverpool and the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital.
The frontline workers include those working in the hotel quarantine program, anyone working at a testing clinic, emergency department workers and paramedics.<<
Must be going to ship all the regional testing clinics, emergency department workers and paramedics in to Sydney for this?
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/nsw-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-roll-out-announcement/13162426>>NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says 35,000 frontline workers in the state will receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine from Monday.
She said the process would take three weeks and vaccines would be administered at Westmead, Liverpool and the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital.
The frontline workers include those working in the hotel quarantine program, anyone working at a testing clinic, emergency department workers and paramedics.<<
Must be going to ship all the regional testing clinics, emergency department workers and paramedics in to Sydney for this?
Dunno about NSW but in Qld it starts in the Gold Coast, before being rolled out to Cairns and other regional centres (and Brisbane).
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/nsw-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-roll-out-announcement/13162426>>NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says 35,000 frontline workers in the state will receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine from Monday.
She said the process would take three weeks and vaccines would be administered at Westmead, Liverpool and the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital.
The frontline workers include those working in the hotel quarantine program, anyone working at a testing clinic, emergency department workers and paramedics.<<
Must be going to ship all the regional testing clinics, emergency department workers and paramedics in to Sydney for this?
Dunno about NSW but in Qld it starts in the Gold Coast, before being rolled out to Cairns and other regional centres (and Brisbane).
Threading them all through the eye of a needle?
Regional areas probably come next?
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/nsw-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-roll-out-announcement/13162426>>NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says 35,000 frontline workers in the state will receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine from Monday.
She said the process would take three weeks and vaccines would be administered at Westmead, Liverpool and the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital.
The frontline workers include those working in the hotel quarantine program, anyone working at a testing clinic, emergency department workers and paramedics.<<
Must be going to ship all the regional testing clinics, emergency department workers and paramedics in to Sydney for this?
Dunno about NSW but in Qld it starts in the Gold Coast, before being rolled out to Cairns and other regional centres (and Brisbane).
As part of Part 2, and being rather regional (we are almost to SA), I’m expecting it to take quite a long time to get out to “the provinces”.
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/nsw-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-roll-out-announcement/13162426>>NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says 35,000 frontline workers in the state will receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine from Monday.
She said the process would take three weeks and vaccines would be administered at Westmead, Liverpool and the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital.
The frontline workers include those working in the hotel quarantine program, anyone working at a testing clinic, emergency department workers and paramedics.<<
Must be going to ship all the regional testing clinics, emergency department workers and paramedics in to Sydney for this?
Dunno about NSW but in Qld it starts in the Gold Coast, before being rolled out to Cairns and other regional centres (and Brisbane).
As part of Part 2, and being rather regional (we are almost to SA), I’m expecting it to take quite a long time to get out to “the provinces”.
We aren’t the hot spots. So we can afford to wait.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:Dunno about NSW but in Qld it starts in the Gold Coast, before being rolled out to Cairns and other regional centres (and Brisbane).
As part of Part 2, and being rather regional (we are almost to SA), I’m expecting it to take quite a long time to get out to “the provinces”.
We aren’t the hot spots. So we can afford to wait.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:As part of Part 2, and being rather regional (we are almost to SA), I’m expecting it to take quite a long time to get out to “the provinces”.
We aren’t the hot spots. So we can afford to wait.
I’m in a “cold” spot so no hurry. A bit different when I go to Cairns.
Still waiting for my haematologist to say if its OK for me to have the jab. Some doubts re side effects & a compromised immune system.
There is another way of looking at it. In the regions far fewer people have actually had the bug. Considering there must be a lot of people in the more populated regions who had asymptomatic infections and therefore already have a primed immune system. So in the regions there is actually a larger (proportionately) COVID naive population of people.
(I’m perfectly comfortable to wait, for myself. My personal risk if I catch it is very low of it being anything like serious)
