Date: 31/01/2021 16:39:34
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1688015
Subject: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Ice is melting faster worldwide, with greater sea-level rise anticipated, studies show.

Global ice loss has increased rapidly over the past two decades, and scientists are still underestimating just how much sea levels could rise, according to alarming new research published this month.

From the thin ice shield covering most of the Arctic Ocean to the mile-thick mantle of the polar ice sheets, ice losses have soared from about 760 billion tons per year in the 1990s to more than 1.2 trillion tons per year in the 2010s, a new study released Monday shows. That is an increase of more than 60 percent, equating to 28 trillion tons of melted ice in total — and it means that roughly 3 percent of all the extra energy trapped within Earth’s system by climate change has gone toward turning ice into water.

There is good reason to think the rate of ice melt will continue to accelerate. A second, NASA-backed study on the Greenland ice sheet, for instance, finds that no less than 74 major glaciers that terminate in deep, warming ocean waters are being severely undercut and weakened.

And it asserts that the extent of this effect, along with its implications for rising seas, is still being discounted by the global scientific community.

Failing to fully account for the role of ocean undercutting means sea-level rise from the ice sheets may be underestimated by “at least a factor of 2,” the new paper in the journal Science Advances finds.

The first finds that the current ice losses, which are accelerating quickly, are on pace with the worst scenarios for sea-level rise put out by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). That expert body found that ice sheets could drive as much as 16 inches of sea-level rise by 2100.

But on top of that, the new NASA work on Greenland suggests that the IPCC, whose sea-level projections have long been faulted as being conservative, could underestimate future sea-level rise if the panel, which has a new report expected later this year, does not take full account of the power of the ocean to knock the ice backward and undermine it.

“In these deep fjords, warm water lurks hundreds of feet below the ocean surface, melting the glaciers from below,” Wood said. “When those warm waters become even warmer — a phenomenon we saw through the early 2000s — the melt increases, causing the glaciers to recede, become unstable and lose ice.”

The science produced by the six-year field campaign, known as Oceans Melting Greenland, may force modelers to rethink their estimates for future ice loss, not just in Greenland but also for glaciers where similar dynamics are at work in Antarctica, such as in the West Antarctic ice sheet.

The NASA-led research shows that the undercutting of glaciers by relatively mild ocean waters explains why so many of Greenland’s glaciers have sped their movement into the ocean, adding to sea-level rise, while some others have not accelerated as much.

In many coastal locations, relatively mild, salty waters sit below a layer of colder, fresher water in glacial fjords. These mild waters are coming into contact with the base of glaciers, where ice meets bedrock, which destabilizes the ice.

“A large amount of a glacier’s stability depends on ice at its base,” Wood said. “Remove it and you destabilize the whole thing, like Achilles’ heel.”

At the same time, during the summer months, meltwater from inland areas can flow all the way to the base of glaciers that end in the sea and pour into the fjords. This fresh water can drag some of the heavier, warm water toward the surface, accelerating melting further.

The NASA data shows that the shape of the land undergirding glaciers and the water temperatures in coastal areas help determine the rate of Greenland’s ice loss, but this information isn’t being translated yet into projections for sea-level rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/01/25/ice-melt-quickens-greenland-glaciers/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-intl-en

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Date: 31/01/2021 17:22:36
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1688057
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Will sharks survive? Scientists fear for ocean’s apex predators without more protection

Simpfendorfer, an adjunct professor at Queensland’s James Cook University and a global authority on sharks and rays, has been researching the marine animals since the mid-1980s.

Last week, a global team of shark researchers, including Simpfendorfer, found sharks and rays that live in the open ocean have been dwindling at an alarming rate.

Since 1970, a threefold increase in global fishing rates of sharks coincided with a 71% drop in their numbers around the world. Sharks are targeted by small and large fishing operations, for meat and other products, including shark fins.

“It’s quite devastating to see some of the outcomes,” says Simpfendorfer, reflecting on more than 30 years of study.

The team’s research, published in the journal Nature, involved the complex task of poring over data from fisheries authorities, scientific surveys, and peer-reviewed research to build the most comprehensive picture yet of the health of ocean-roaming sharks.

Many of the sharks are important to Australia’s coastal ecosystems, including great whites and the critically endangered scalloped hammerhead which, like other sharks, are still legally fished in Australia.

The group’s findings suggest three-quarters of these open ocean sharks and rays are threatened with extinction and fill in a big section of the jigsaw puzzle of global shark health – a puzzle that’s intrinsically hard to complete.

On Queensland’s coast, peer-reviewed analysis of the state’s coastal shark control program suggests numbers of large sharks, including great whites, tigers and hammerheads, fell by at least 75% over 55 years.

According to the latest research in the journal Nature, global action is needed “immediately” to stop shark populations collapsing and “myriad negative consequences for associated economic and ecological systems”.

Dr Cassandra Rigby, a marine scientist also at James Cook University, who has studied sharks for more than 20 years, said: “The implications of removing sharks is an unhealthy marine ecosystem.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/uknews/will-sharks-survive-scientists-fear-for-ocean-s-apex-predators-without-more-protection/ar-BB1deRG3?ocid=msedgntp

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:37:32
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1688088
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

> According to the latest research in the journal Nature, global action is needed “immediately” to stop shark populations collapsing and “myriad negative consequences for associated economic and ecological systems”.

Shark populations collapsing. That would also have positive consequences wouldn’t it?

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:40:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1688090
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

mollwollfumble said:


> According to the latest research in the journal Nature, global action is needed “immediately” to stop shark populations collapsing and “myriad negative consequences for associated economic and ecological systems”.

Shark populations collapsing. That would also have positive consequences wouldn’t it?

Whaich positive consequences would upi be referring to?

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:56:55
From: transition
ID: 1688106
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

i’m a parochial sort of chap, only have simple experience to go by, but do know the consequences if there’s not much thermal mass or whatever call it in a fridge or freezer, the frozen stuff in a freezer i’d call a thermal buffer, doesn’t matter too much if you lose power for quite a while

now, generally if you’ve come home from work and the fridge might have defrosted, maybe a pool of water coming out from behind the fridge, no big deal, some inconvenience, perhaps the thermostat shit itself, get the electrician to fit a new one

but, mate, if your fridge thermostat started to fade, and you noticed the entire planet was warming up, polar ice retreating with no return, and weather patterns changing, well you need more than an electrician, perhaps a climatologist

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:24:29
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1688123
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

mollwollfumble said:


> According to the latest research in the journal Nature, global action is needed “immediately” to stop shark populations collapsing and “myriad negative consequences for associated economic and ecological systems”.

Shark populations collapsing. That would also have positive consequences wouldn’t it?

Sharks kill and eat what we need and are an apex predator having existed for well over 400 million years. We too are an apex predator but take all, leaving little or nothing and we have existed far less than 4 million years and with our current technology that is causing the most damage, for around 100 years. If that doesn’t make think then carry on as normal.

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:25:29
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1688124
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

> According to the latest research in the journal Nature, global action is needed “immediately” to stop shark populations collapsing and “myriad negative consequences for associated economic and ecological systems”.

Shark populations collapsing. That would also have positive consequences wouldn’t it?

Sharks kill and eat what we need and are an apex predator having existed for well over 400 million years. We too are an apex predator but take all, leaving little or nothing and we have existed far less than 4 million years and with our current technology that is causing the most damage, for around 100 years. If that doesn’t make think then carry on as normal.

Sharks kill and eat what we need = Sharks kill and eat what they need

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:27:42
From: party_pants
ID: 1688126
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

The problem is people eating shark fins.

Ironically it is because of their lack of falvour. They absorb flavour from the rest of the food and just provide a bit of texture and filling.

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:33:27
From: Woodie
ID: 1688129
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

“ Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.”

How many Sydney Harbour fulls is that? I only understand Sydney Harbour fulls.

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:34:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1688130
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

party_pants said:


The problem is people eating shark fins.

Ironically it is because of their lack of falvour. They absorb flavour from the rest of the food and just provide a bit of texture and filling.

We just eat them one way of another.

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:39:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1688132
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Woodie said:


“ Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.”

How many Sydney Harbour fulls is that? I only understand Sydney Harbour fulls.

2400

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:39:53
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1688133
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Woodie said:


“ Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.”

How many Sydney Harbour fulls is that? I only understand Sydney Harbour fulls.

There are too many who trivialise environmental conditions, which is the main reason we have these problems in the first place. Goes to show we are not as bright as we think we are.

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:48:34
From: Michael V
ID: 1688137
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Woodie said:


“ Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.”

How many Sydney Harbour fulls is that? I only understand Sydney Harbour fulls.

“…the amount of water in Sydney Harbour: approximately 562 gigalitres (562,000,000 cubic metres, or 0.562 of a cubic kilometre);…” (Wikipedia.)

That’s 562 million tons.

So a tad over 2,135 Sydharbs.

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Date: 31/01/2021 20:14:46
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1688149
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Woodie said:


“ Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.”

How many Sydney Harbour fulls is that? I only understand Sydney Harbour fulls.

A cube 11km on each side if my boe is correct?

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Date: 31/01/2021 20:22:47
From: Ogmog
ID: 1688154
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Sea Level Rise

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Date: 31/01/2021 20:36:49
From: Ogmog
ID: 1688161
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

SEA LEVEL RISE

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Date: 31/01/2021 21:16:26
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1688187
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

There are too many people

Stop the population increases in the third world and everything will be fine.

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Date: 31/01/2021 21:24:40
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1688190
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

You start feeding sharks a ciguatera meal

This poisons the meat – pretty soon no one wants to eat shark.

If you were a malicious fellow you could poison the meat of many fish and mammals of the ocean.

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Date: 31/01/2021 22:12:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1688215
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

Sorry, I wish to apologise for my statement earlier in this thread. It was false, in bad taste, and far too full of cynicism.

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Date: 1/02/2021 05:36:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1688332
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

party_pants said:


The problem is people eating shark fins.

Ironically it is because of their lack of falvour. They absorb flavour from the rest of the food and just provide a bit of texture and filling.

Can do the same with Tofu.

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Date: 1/02/2021 10:54:52
From: transition
ID: 1688398
Subject: re: Earth is now losing 1.2 trillion tons of ice each year.

actually i’d say losing that north polar ice is a turning point for humans, if there was a message there’s been too many humans, too many humans burning too much fossil fuel, and too many humans cutting down too many large areas of those inferior plants, trees etc, that’s a very good one

but, you know humans are the superior species, the dominant species, the intelligent species, spread all over the planet cough, can’t be too many of them, so go ahead keep breeding, there’s a correction down the track, not an entirely pleasant one i’d expect

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