Date: 31/01/2021 18:10:56
From: dv
ID: 1688080
Subject: Aust Politics

Victorian Liberal MP Kevin Andrews loses preselection for seat of Menzies

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/victorian-liberal-mp-kevin-andrews-loses-preselection-for-seat/13107342

Veteran Victorian Liberal MP Kevin Andrews has lost preselection for the federal seat of Menzies in Melbourne.

He was defeated by commando-turned-barrister Keith Wolahan at a preselection ballot of members.

Mr Andrews had been backed by senior MPs including Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:13:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1688081
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said: That’s Mr Lego Hair who was against same-sex marriage because he didn’t want to marry his cycling mates.

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:19:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1688082
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said: That’s Mr Lego Hair who was against same-sex marriage because he didn’t want to marry his cycling mates.

sarahs mum said: ‘Good.’

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:20:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1688083
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said: That’s Mr Lego Hair who was against same-sex marriage because he didn’t want to marry his cycling mates.

sarahs mum said: ‘Good.’

Witty said it was “a damned shame”.

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:30:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1688085
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’ll be like a lone voice crying in the wilderness, an Edvard Munch trying to keep youse grounded and in touch with reality as best I can.

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:38:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1688089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I’ll be like a lone voice crying in the wilderness, an Edvard Munch trying to keep youse grounded and in touch with reality as best I can.

You too, huh?

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:40:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1688091
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Victorian Liberal MP Kevin Andrews loses preselection for seat of Menzies

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-31/victorian-liberal-mp-kevin-andrews-loses-preselection-for-seat/13107342

Veteran Victorian Liberal MP Kevin Andrews has lost preselection for the federal seat of Menzies in Melbourne.

He was defeated by commando-turned-barrister Keith Wolahan at a preselection ballot of members.

Mr Andrews had been backed by senior MPs including Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.

Kerry Stokes will adore him.

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:45:51
From: party_pants
ID: 1688094
Subject: re: Aust Politics

More importantly, what’s the new bloke like?

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:47:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1688098
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


More importantly, what’s the new bloke like?

Mr Wolahan had served Australia “with distinction”, having completed three tours of Afghanistan in the Defence Force.

See if his name is on the list of those reprimanded?

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Date: 31/01/2021 18:49:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1688099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

More importantly, what’s the new bloke like?

Mr Wolahan had served Australia “with distinction”, having completed three tours of Afghanistan in the Defence Force.

See if his name is on the list of those reprimanded?

Might be a matter of Vatican agent out, war criminal in.

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Date: 31/01/2021 19:03:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1688115
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said: That’s Mr Lego Hair who was against same-sex marriage because he didn’t want to marry his cycling mates.

sarahs mum said: ‘Good.’

Witty said it was “a damned shame”.

;-)

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Date: 31/01/2021 20:06:40
From: ms spock
ID: 1688143
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said: That’s Mr Lego Hair who was against same-sex marriage because he didn’t want to marry his cycling mates.

Indeed it is.

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Date: 31/01/2021 20:24:30
From: ms spock
ID: 1688155
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

More importantly, what’s the new bloke like?

Mr Wolahan had served Australia “with distinction”, having completed three tours of Afghanistan in the Defence Force.

See if his name is on the list of those reprimanded?

Or if he was lucky enough to be left off the list of those that got protected?

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Date: 31/01/2021 20:24:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1688156
Subject: re: Aust Politics

here’s no faulting the Australia Day awards for throwing up some real doozies but lost in the Margaret Court drama this year has been a so-called lifetime achievement award for Rupert Murdoch from the Australia Day Foundation.

On the face of it it looks to be an extraordinary decision: a prestigious honour bestowed on the media mogul whose recent hits in the United States include helping fan an insurrection against democracy via Fox News and in Australia leading the way on climate change denialism in cahoots with the Morrison government it supports.

The Australia Day Foundation, though, is not as it seems. It is a not-for-profit organisation in the UK, set up as a networking base for Australian business and high achievers. Losers need not apply.

The foundation and its awards are backed by a group of international conglomerates including mining giants BHP, Rio Tinto, Woodside and Anglo-American. Australia’s big banks, the National Australia Bank and Westpac, are also in on the act. Another leading name is CQS, the wealthy London hedge fund founded by Australian business figure Sir Michael Hintze.

Hintze is not well known in Australia, but he is at the centre of a powerful network of business and conservative UK and Australian politicians. As we reported last year he has been a force behind the climate-sceptic Global Warming Policy Foundation which has given voice to the views of Tony Abbott and Cardinal George Pell.

Nominally a business outfit, the foundation also blurs the lines with government. It is sponsored by Austrade and uses Australia House, home to the Australian High Commission, in London to hand out its “Australia Day” awards to UK and Australian figures of its choosing.

This year it gave its honorary Australian of the Year in the UK award to Conservative British MP Liz Truss who promoted the cause of Abbott as a trade adviser to the UK government. Past recipients have included Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/01/27/rupert-murdoch-australia-day-foundation/

This tread comes with a vomitorium.

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Date: 31/01/2021 20:41:14
From: ms spock
ID: 1688164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

This tread comes with a vomitorium.

It needs to!

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Date: 31/01/2021 21:19:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1688188
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


here’s no faulting the Australia Day awards for throwing up some real doozies but lost in the Margaret Court drama this year has been a so-called lifetime achievement award for Rupert Murdoch from the Australia Day Foundation.

On the face of it it looks to be an extraordinary decision: a prestigious honour bestowed on the media mogul whose recent hits in the United States include helping fan an insurrection against democracy via Fox News and in Australia leading the way on climate change denialism in cahoots with the Morrison government it supports.

The Australia Day Foundation, though, is not as it seems. It is a not-for-profit organisation in the UK, set up as a networking base for Australian business and high achievers. Losers need not apply.

The foundation and its awards are backed by a group of international conglomerates including mining giants BHP, Rio Tinto, Woodside and Anglo-American. Australia’s big banks, the National Australia Bank and Westpac, are also in on the act. Another leading name is CQS, the wealthy London hedge fund founded by Australian business figure Sir Michael Hintze.

Hintze is not well known in Australia, but he is at the centre of a powerful network of business and conservative UK and Australian politicians. As we reported last year he has been a force behind the climate-sceptic Global Warming Policy Foundation which has given voice to the views of Tony Abbott and Cardinal George Pell.

Nominally a business outfit, the foundation also blurs the lines with government. It is sponsored by Austrade and uses Australia House, home to the Australian High Commission, in London to hand out its “Australia Day” awards to UK and Australian figures of its choosing.

This year it gave its honorary Australian of the Year in the UK award to Conservative British MP Liz Truss who promoted the cause of Abbott as a trade adviser to the UK government. Past recipients have included Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/01/27/rupert-murdoch-australia-day-foundation/

This tread comes with a vomitorium.

The awards seem to be pretty fair and unbiased, unlike Crikey.




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Date: 31/01/2021 21:24:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1688191
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

here’s no faulting the Australia Day awards for throwing up some real doozies but lost in the Margaret Court drama this year has been a so-called lifetime achievement award for Rupert Murdoch from the Australia Day Foundation.

On the face of it it looks to be an extraordinary decision: a prestigious honour bestowed on the media mogul whose recent hits in the United States include helping fan an insurrection against democracy via Fox News and in Australia leading the way on climate change denialism in cahoots with the Morrison government it supports.

The Australia Day Foundation, though, is not as it seems. It is a not-for-profit organisation in the UK, set up as a networking base for Australian business and high achievers. Losers need not apply.

The foundation and its awards are backed by a group of international conglomerates including mining giants BHP, Rio Tinto, Woodside and Anglo-American. Australia’s big banks, the National Australia Bank and Westpac, are also in on the act. Another leading name is CQS, the wealthy London hedge fund founded by Australian business figure Sir Michael Hintze.

Hintze is not well known in Australia, but he is at the centre of a powerful network of business and conservative UK and Australian politicians. As we reported last year he has been a force behind the climate-sceptic Global Warming Policy Foundation which has given voice to the views of Tony Abbott and Cardinal George Pell.

Nominally a business outfit, the foundation also blurs the lines with government. It is sponsored by Austrade and uses Australia House, home to the Australian High Commission, in London to hand out its “Australia Day” awards to UK and Australian figures of its choosing.

This year it gave its honorary Australian of the Year in the UK award to Conservative British MP Liz Truss who promoted the cause of Abbott as a trade adviser to the UK government. Past recipients have included Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/01/27/rupert-murdoch-australia-day-foundation/

This tread comes with a vomitorium.

The awards seem to be pretty fair and unbiased, unlike Crikey.




Did you cherry pick just a little?

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Date: 31/01/2021 21:34:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1688196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

here’s no faulting the Australia Day awards for throwing up some real doozies but lost in the Margaret Court drama this year has been a so-called lifetime achievement award for Rupert Murdoch from the Australia Day Foundation.

On the face of it it looks to be an extraordinary decision: a prestigious honour bestowed on the media mogul whose recent hits in the United States include helping fan an insurrection against democracy via Fox News and in Australia leading the way on climate change denialism in cahoots with the Morrison government it supports.

The Australia Day Foundation, though, is not as it seems. It is a not-for-profit organisation in the UK, set up as a networking base for Australian business and high achievers. Losers need not apply.

The foundation and its awards are backed by a group of international conglomerates including mining giants BHP, Rio Tinto, Woodside and Anglo-American. Australia’s big banks, the National Australia Bank and Westpac, are also in on the act. Another leading name is CQS, the wealthy London hedge fund founded by Australian business figure Sir Michael Hintze.

Hintze is not well known in Australia, but he is at the centre of a powerful network of business and conservative UK and Australian politicians. As we reported last year he has been a force behind the climate-sceptic Global Warming Policy Foundation which has given voice to the views of Tony Abbott and Cardinal George Pell.

Nominally a business outfit, the foundation also blurs the lines with government. It is sponsored by Austrade and uses Australia House, home to the Australian High Commission, in London to hand out its “Australia Day” awards to UK and Australian figures of its choosing.

This year it gave its honorary Australian of the Year in the UK award to Conservative British MP Liz Truss who promoted the cause of Abbott as a trade adviser to the UK government. Past recipients have included Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/01/27/rupert-murdoch-australia-day-foundation/

This tread comes with a vomitorium.

The awards seem to be pretty fair and unbiased, unlike Crikey.

Since they are complaining about one particular award, I’m not sure that the others are really relevant.

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Date: 31/01/2021 23:04:02
From: dv
ID: 1688245
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 1/02/2021 15:39:00
From: dv
ID: 1688643
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/scott-morrison-biggest-donor-donations-liberal-labor-coalition/13098398

The Electoral Commission has released its latest donations disclosures headlined by millions of dollars from Clive Palmer’s Mineralogy company to his United Australia Party.

But some of the donations — covering the period July 2019 to June 2020 — are more than a year old, prompting former electoral commissioner Ed Killesteyn to describe the scheme as “one of the worst in the world”.

“Australia’s financial disclosure system is one of the worst in the world taken from the central objective of ensuring that the voter knows, at the time of voting, who is funding whom and by how much,” he said.

Mr Killesteyn was electoral commissioner from 2009 until 2014 when he left the post following the 2013 election in which votes were lost in the WA Senate race.

He is now chair of the Intra Government Advisory Group of the National Measurement Institute.

Queensland now requires pre-election donations information to be published prior to election day, but the federal political parties have shown little interest in updating the federal scheme.

“Both political parties are complicit in not addressing the all-too-obvious and well-documented deficiencies of financial disclosure in Australia,” Mr Killesteyn said.

The Labor Party has a policy to reduce the threshold of donation disclosure from $14,000 down to $1,000, and to introduce real-time reporting of donations.

A National Audit Office (ANAO) report last year found management of the scheme by the Electoral Commissioner (AEC) was only “partially effective” and made the point that the AEC was reluctant to penalise parties for late returns or errors.

But Mr Killesteyn believes the problem with Australia’s scheme is not its administration.

“A good legislative regime can be buggered by poor administration; but, just like a poor red wine can’t be improved by ageing, a poor legislative scheme can’t be fixed by administration,” he said.

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Date: 1/02/2021 16:32:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1688670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I reckon corporate donations should be banned. Donations must be made by individuals only.

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Date: 1/02/2021 16:36:21
From: sibeen
ID: 1688673
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I reckon corporate donations should be banned. Donations must be made by individuals only.

Unions?

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Date: 1/02/2021 16:38:14
From: Cymek
ID: 1688680
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

I reckon corporate donations should be banned. Donations must be made by individuals only.

Unions?

Them as well, its really just a bribe reworded as a donation

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Date: 1/02/2021 16:42:19
From: party_pants
ID: 1688684
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

I reckon corporate donations should be banned. Donations must be made by individuals only.

Unions?

Yeah, not sure how to handle those. I guess they can organise a system where they just collect donations from members and remit them to the ALP. Or the union fees might come with a compulsory donation fraction.

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Date: 1/02/2021 16:47:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1688692
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

I reckon corporate donations should be banned. Donations must be made by individuals only.

Unions?

Yeah, not sure how to handle those. I guess they can organise a system where they just collect donations from members and remit them to the ALP. Or the union fees might come with a compulsory donation fraction.

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Date: 1/02/2021 16:49:01
From: party_pants
ID: 1688694
Subject: re: Aust Politics

(I think PWM is posting in the wrong thread again)

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Date: 1/02/2021 16:50:50
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1688698
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Unions?

Yeah, not sure how to handle those. I guess they can organise a system where they just collect donations from members and remit them to the ALP. Or the union fees might come with a compulsory donation fraction.


And it’ll be black as the inside of a cat until about 10am.

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Date: 1/02/2021 20:10:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1688808
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Vile woman forced to eat her own lies on air:

Peta Credlin forced to apologise to Kevin Rudd over false data harvesting claims

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/01/peta-credlin-forced-to-apologise-to-kevin-rudd-over-false-data-harvesting-claims

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Date: 1/02/2021 20:52:38
From: dv
ID: 1688818
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Vile woman forced to eat her own lies on air:

Peta Credlin forced to apologise to Kevin Rudd over false data harvesting claims

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/01/peta-credlin-forced-to-apologise-to-kevin-rudd-over-false-data-harvesting-claims

Good

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Date: 1/02/2021 20:59:18
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1688822
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Today, we found out what money was given to political parties in 2019-20. It revealed that gas industry players are big donors to Australian political parties. In a year that saw the Morrison government trumpet a ‘gas-led recovery’, gas companies and peak bodies gave $698,339 to the major parties.

A few more troubling figures we found after diving into today’s report include:

Fossil fuel industry sources gave a total of $428,404 to Australian political parties. However, when the ambiguous ‘other receipts’ category is included, this amount rocketed to $1,329,754.

Gas industry players were the biggest fossil fuel donors, giving $698,339 to Australian political parties, while coal companies and peak bodies gave $316,224.

The top three fossil fuel funders were Clive Palmer’s Minerology ($5,910,341 to Palmer’s United Australia Party, Woodside Energy ($197,750 to the Liberal and National parties, $137,665 to Labor), and the Minerals Council of Australia ($65,383 to the Liberals, $55,000 to Labor).

Trevor St Baker, who is seeking federal money to upgrade his Vales Point coal-fired power station, donated $84,250 to the major parties.

In some cases, donors declared amounts that were far greater than what the parties themselves revealed, demonstrating serious problems with the transparency of reporting.

Between the parties, $38,777,998 of receipts have undisclosed sources. Ask yourself – why? We deserve to know where this money comes from.
These numbers were only made public today, many months after the donations were made. This isn’t an example of a healthy democracy in action. Nor is this a demonstration of transparency. Our elected representatives have to do better than this.

Democracy is for the people, not the big polluters, and it’s time we claim it back.

Australian Conservation Foundation

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Date: 1/02/2021 22:01:50
From: sibeen
ID: 1688859
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ms Macklin said more than 1,800 people had their membership of the party revoked because they were not considered “genuine members”.

There are more than 13,000 Labor members in Victoria.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/victorian-alp-marlene-kairouz-branch-stacking-allegations/13099880

When you’re kicking out around 14% of your membership you should probably be sending out for a few cases of surströmming.

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Date: 2/02/2021 07:08:03
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1688904
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr Lego Hair’s successor (who also has funny retro hair) insists he’s “not a moderate”, but doesn’t identify which brand of extremism he endorses:

Keith Wolahan, the ex-commando who unseated Liberal Party stalwart Kevin Andrews, insists he’s ‘not a moderate’

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/keith-wolahan-kevin-andrews-menzies-liberal-party-moderate/13108654

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Date: 2/02/2021 07:21:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1688906
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Mr Lego Hair’s successor (who also has funny retro hair) insists he’s “not a moderate”, but doesn’t identify which brand of extremism he endorses:

Keith Wolahan, the ex-commando who unseated Liberal Party stalwart Kevin Andrews, insists he’s ‘not a moderate’

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-01/keith-wolahan-kevin-andrews-menzies-liberal-party-moderate/13108654

With his lot that generally means he’s right of Hiitler.

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Date: 3/02/2021 22:24:12
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1690023
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Radio said this morning Scotty has blocked out the latter part of this year but denies an early election.

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Date: 3/02/2021 22:26:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690025
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Radio said this morning Scotty has blocked out the latter part of this year but denies an early election.

He denied it yesterday. And immediately everyone rubbed their hands together and said, ‘It’s on.’

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Date: 3/02/2021 23:46:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690045
Subject: re: Aust Politics

IPA Geniuses Expose Coalition Failures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thI_YTCIuUg

There is a chance that with Abbott at work at the IPA that the IPA could turn into a laff. Not a huge chance.But unless they stop him from actually doing stuff…

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Date: 3/02/2021 23:55:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690046
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


IPA Geniuses Expose Coalition Failures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thI_YTCIuUg

There is a chance that with Abbott at work at the IPA that the IPA could turn into a laff. Not a huge chance.But unless they stop him from actually doing stuff…

AWOL= Australian Way Of Life.

That’s cute.

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Date: 4/02/2021 00:07:09
From: furious
ID: 1690047
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scabs!

Microsoft backs media bargaining code, suggests Bing can fill gap if Google and Facebook depart

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Date: 4/02/2021 00:15:45
From: party_pants
ID: 1690048
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Scabs!

Microsoft backs media bargaining code, suggests Bing can fill gap if Google and Facebook depart

Saw that earlier today. I laughed.

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Date: 4/02/2021 00:20:21
From: furious
ID: 1690049
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


furious said:

Scabs!

Microsoft backs media bargaining code, suggests Bing can fill gap if Google and Facebook depart

Saw that earlier today. I laughed.

Yeah, it was kinda humorous…

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Date: 4/02/2021 00:27:11
From: party_pants
ID: 1690050
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


party_pants said:

furious said:

Scabs!

Microsoft backs media bargaining code, suggests Bing can fill gap if Google and Facebook depart

Saw that earlier today. I laughed.

Yeah, it was kinda humorous…

Kind of ironic too. Sort of like one big multinational threatening to take market share away from another is going to do more than any government plan to regulate. Expect Google to to do a backflip soon.

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Date: 4/02/2021 06:36:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1690061
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:

Radio said this morning Scotty has blocked out the latter part of this year but denies an early election.

He denied it yesterday. And immediately everyone rubbed their hands together and said, ‘It’s on.’

Scotty is back pedalling up a steep scree.

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Date: 4/02/2021 13:21:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690191
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Larissa Waters

19 mins ·
Disappointingly, Labor have revealed their true colours when it comes to stopping dirty political donations, refusing to support the Greens’ motion calling for donations reform.
Today in the Senate, the Greens called on the federal government to support lowering the disclosure threshold for donations to political parties, requiring more timely disclosure of donations, and imposing caps on donation amounts.
Labor voted it down.
Labor made a big song and dance earlier this week about how unacceptable Clive Palmer’s $75,000 political donation to the National Party was.
They said they finally want to clean up our democracy and support the cap on political donations that the Greens have spent decades fighting for.
But we can see today that Labor are all talk and no action.
The Greens motion didn’t specify an amount that donations should be capped at, it just called for support of the idea of a donations limit, exactly what Albanese said was Labor’s position on Tuesday.
At the first chance Labor have had to stand by this new position, they’ve buckled. They are so afraid of turning off the tap to the dirty money that funds their election campaigns they’re willing to undermine their own leader’s position.

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Date: 4/02/2021 13:28:49
From: Cymek
ID: 1690195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Larissa Waters

19 mins ·
Disappointingly, Labor have revealed their true colours when it comes to stopping dirty political donations, refusing to support the Greens’ motion calling for donations reform.
Today in the Senate, the Greens called on the federal government to support lowering the disclosure threshold for donations to political parties, requiring more timely disclosure of donations, and imposing caps on donation amounts.
Labor voted it down.
Labor made a big song and dance earlier this week about how unacceptable Clive Palmer’s $75,000 political donation to the National Party was.
They said they finally want to clean up our democracy and support the cap on political donations that the Greens have spent decades fighting for.
But we can see today that Labor are all talk and no action.
The Greens motion didn’t specify an amount that donations should be capped at, it just called for support of the idea of a donations limit, exactly what Albanese said was Labor’s position on Tuesday.
At the first chance Labor have had to stand by this new position, they’ve buckled. They are so afraid of turning off the tap to the dirty money that funds their election campaigns they’re willing to undermine their own leader’s position.

Political donations are a bribe, the parties know it, the donators know it and we know it and should actually be stopped completely or so curtailed the bribe incentive isn’t worth giving the donator a favour in return

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Date: 4/02/2021 13:43:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690205
Subject: re: Aust Politics

What’s the deal with preselection?

Kevin Andrews has lost his seat in a preselection battle.

Can he become an independent ?

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Date: 4/02/2021 13:47:20
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1690211
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


What’s the deal with preselection?

Kevin Andrews has lost his seat in a preselection battle.

Can he become an independent ?

Yes.

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Date: 4/02/2021 13:57:37
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690218
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The liberals must have a lot of shares in the coal industry.

Falling shares in the coal industry is their fear of renewables?

Why dont they invest in the renewable sector?

Energy is still energy.

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Date: 4/02/2021 14:44:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690258
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bushfire Recovery Money given to Billionaires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTAgw1×9Eg

Bushfire Rorts: Coalition targets bushfire recovery funds for Coalition seats
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bushfire-rorts-coalition-targets-bushfire-recovery-funds-for-coalition-seats/

So 99% of bushfire relief funding went to seats held by the LNP.

And a good percentage of the money given to charities was withheld.

I believe we need to rethink this.

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Date: 4/02/2021 15:36:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

George Christensen is really a little boy in a man’s body isn’t he.

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Date: 4/02/2021 15:37:17
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690302
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


George Christensen is really a little boy in a man’s body isn’t he.

How the hell did he get elected?

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Date: 4/02/2021 16:00:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1690320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

George Christensen is really a little boy in a man’s body isn’t he.

How the hell did he get elected?

Betoota Advocate:

‘PM Fast-Tracks Travel Bubble With The Phillipines In Effort To Get Christensen To Fuck Off’

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Date: 4/02/2021 16:04:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1690322
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

George Christensen is really a little boy in a man’s body isn’t he.

How the hell did he get elected?

Betoota Advocate:

‘PM Fast-Tracks Travel Bubble With The Phillipines In Effort To Get Christensen To Fuck Off’

:)

had to giggle at that one

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Date: 4/02/2021 16:07:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690326
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bushfire Recovery Money given to Billionaires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTAgw1×9Eg

Bushfire Rorts: Coalition targets bushfire recovery funds for Coalition seats
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bushfire-rorts-coalition-targets-bushfire-recovery-funds-for-coalition-seats/

So 99% of bushfire relief funding went to seats held by the LNP.

And a good percentage of the money given to charities was withheld.

I believe we need to rethink this.

12mminutes ago

By Rebecca Trigger
What’s the best way to donate?

Lots of people have been asking how they can help people affected by the fires, including how to donate clothing, household items or even food.

But Premier Mark McGowan says those kinds of donations are not easy to manage, and it would be better to donate money to the Lord Mayor’s relief fund.

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Date: 4/02/2021 16:08:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1690327
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

Bushfire Recovery Money given to Billionaires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTAgw1×9Eg

Bushfire Rorts: Coalition targets bushfire recovery funds for Coalition seats
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bushfire-rorts-coalition-targets-bushfire-recovery-funds-for-coalition-seats/

So 99% of bushfire relief funding went to seats held by the LNP.

And a good percentage of the money given to charities was withheld.

I believe we need to rethink this.

12mminutes ago

By Rebecca Trigger
What’s the best way to donate?

Lots of people have been asking how they can help people affected by the fires, including how to donate clothing, household items or even food.

But Premier Mark McGowan says those kinds of donations are not easy to manage, and it would be better to donate money to the Lord Mayor’s relief fund.

maybe the best way is to elect someone useful

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Date: 4/02/2021 16:48:20
From: dv
ID: 1690347
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 4/02/2021 17:03:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1690369
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

George Christensen is really a little boy in a man’s body isn’t he.

How the hell did he get elected?

Betoota Advocate:

‘PM Fast-Tracks Travel Bubble With The Phillipines In Effort To Get Christensen To Fuck Off’

giggle

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:30:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1690446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

some fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coalition-deletes-references-to-far-right-extremism-in-senate-motion

Coalition deletes references to rising far-right extremism in Senate motion

Bill condemning extremism passes only after references to Craig Kelly and George Christensen were removed and far-left anarchism and communism added

Labor has accused the government of seeking to “downplay and dismiss” the threat of rightwing extremism in contradiction of national security advice

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:38:22
From: Ian
ID: 1690449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


some fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coalition-deletes-references-to-far-right-extremism-in-senate-motion

Coalition deletes references to rising far-right extremism in Senate motion

Bill condemning extremism passes only after references to Craig Kelly and George Christensen were removed and far-left anarchism and communism added

Labor has accused the government of seeking to “downplay and dismiss” the threat of rightwing extremism in contradiction of national security advice

The Senate has dramatically re-written this Labor motion on far-right extremism, to condemn far right AND LEFT extremism (both sides); and strikes out criticism of Craig Kelly and George Christensen

Taking a leaf from that recently discarded centrist president.. what’s ‘is name

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:39:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1690451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


SCIENCE said:

some fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coalition-deletes-references-to-far-right-extremism-in-senate-motion

Coalition deletes references to rising far-right extremism in Senate motion

Bill condemning extremism passes only after references to Craig Kelly and George Christensen were removed and far-left anarchism and communism added

Labor has accused the government of seeking to “downplay and dismiss” the threat of rightwing extremism in contradiction of national security advice

The Senate has dramatically re-written this Labor motion on far-right extremism, to condemn far right AND LEFT extremism (both sides); and strikes out criticism of Craig Kelly and George Christensen

Taking a leaf from that recently discarded centrist president.. what’s ‘is name

“good people on both sides” ??

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:42:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


some fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coalition-deletes-references-to-far-right-extremism-in-senate-motion

Coalition deletes references to rising far-right extremism in Senate motion

Bill condemning extremism passes only after references to Craig Kelly and George Christensen were removed and far-left anarchism and communism added

Labor has accused the government of seeking to “downplay and dismiss” the threat of rightwing extremism in contradiction of national security advice

*shakes head slowly.

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:47:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690458
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

some fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coalition-deletes-references-to-far-right-extremism-in-senate-motion

Coalition deletes references to rising far-right extremism in Senate motion

Bill condemning extremism passes only after references to Craig Kelly and George Christensen were removed and far-left anarchism and communism added

Labor has accused the government of seeking to “downplay and dismiss” the threat of rightwing extremism in contradiction of national security advice

*shakes head slowly.

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:49:27
From: Cymek
ID: 1690461
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

some fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coalition-deletes-references-to-far-right-extremism-in-senate-motion

Coalition deletes references to rising far-right extremism in Senate motion

Bill condemning extremism passes only after references to Craig Kelly and George Christensen were removed and far-left anarchism and communism added

Labor has accused the government of seeking to “downplay and dismiss” the threat of rightwing extremism in contradiction of national security advice

*shakes head slowly.

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

What is needed is all the waste of space politicians worldwide need to be told to form a party in the one location and drop a nuke on them.
Like that US women hassling the boy/man who survived a school massacre, I mean c’mon that’s off in just so many ways

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:52:00
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690462
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

*shakes head slowly.

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

What is needed is all the waste of space politicians worldwide need to be told to form a party in the one location and drop a nuke on them.
Like that US women hassling the boy/man who survived a school massacre, I mean c’mon that’s off in just so many ways

I think we need higher political standards that see people like Craig Kelly and George Christensen and other like them removed from parliament and prevented from entering parliament again.

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:53:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690463
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

some fun

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/coalition-deletes-references-to-far-right-extremism-in-senate-motion

Coalition deletes references to rising far-right extremism in Senate motion

Bill condemning extremism passes only after references to Craig Kelly and George Christensen were removed and far-left anarchism and communism added

Labor has accused the government of seeking to “downplay and dismiss” the threat of rightwing extremism in contradiction of national security advice

*shakes head slowly.

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

Our local MP Craig Kelly is an embarrassment. He doesn’t represent our beautiful community
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/04/our-local-mp-craig-kelly-is-an-embarrassment-he-doesnt-represent-our-beautiful-community

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Date: 4/02/2021 18:58:27
From: sibeen
ID: 1690467
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

*shakes head slowly.

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

Our local MP Craig Kelly is an embarrassment. He doesn’t represent our beautiful community
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/04/our-local-mp-craig-kelly-is-an-embarrassment-he-doesnt-represent-our-beautiful-community

Our group We Are Hughes is mobilising to have the Liberal politician democratically demoted

ROFL. Democratically demoted…ROFL.

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Date: 4/02/2021 19:00:44
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1690469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

What is needed is all the waste of space politicians worldwide need to be told to form a party in the one location and drop a nuke on them.
Like that US women hassling the boy/man who survived a school massacre, I mean c’mon that’s off in just so many ways

I think we need higher political standards that see people like Craig Kelly and George Christensen and other like them removed from parliament and prevented from entering parliament again.

Or they could lose in preselections because their local political party members think they are an anachronism like Kevin Andrews.

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Date: 4/02/2021 19:04:33
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690471
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

*shakes head slowly.

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

Our local MP Craig Kelly is an embarrassment. He doesn’t represent our beautiful community
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/04/our-local-mp-craig-kelly-is-an-embarrassment-he-doesnt-represent-our-beautiful-community

If the Liberals woke up they would have a preselection meeting and endorse another candidate, they don’t appear to be doing that, so it looks like an independent with oust him then at the next election.

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Date: 4/02/2021 20:09:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1690522
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

*shakes head slowly.

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

Our local MP Craig Kelly is an embarrassment. He doesn’t represent our beautiful community
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/04/our-local-mp-craig-kelly-is-an-embarrassment-he-doesnt-represent-our-beautiful-community

Good luck to them.

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Date: 4/02/2021 22:59:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690587
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“I can’t get my head around the fact that the most bushfire-prone city in New South Wales according to the insurance industry, the Blue Mountains, that is unlike a lot of other areas that have a lot of other industries, we have one, tourism, which was completely squashed by the fires.

“How on earth did we not get one project up out of that prospectus? Not one?”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/04/blue-mountains-did-not-receive-a-cent-from-177m-nsw-bushfire-disaster-fund

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Date: 4/02/2021 23:17:18
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1690591
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Liberals cannot except that Craig Kelly and George Christensen are childish idiots not fit to be in office.

Our local MP Craig Kelly is an embarrassment. He doesn’t represent our beautiful community
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/04/our-local-mp-craig-kelly-is-an-embarrassment-he-doesnt-represent-our-beautiful-community

If the Liberals woke up they would have a preselection meeting and endorse another candidate, they don’t appear to be doing that, so it looks like an independent with oust him then at the next election.

A round up of Craig Kelly…

Climate change denier.

Supports the coal industry, says fossil fuels were among the reasons “we are so safe”.

Conspiracy theorist.

Thinks people should not wear masks.

Spreads misinformation.

Regularly censors comments on his facebook page that go against his ideology.

Is clearly out of touch with his electorate.

After appearing On Good Morning Britain he says this on his facebook page referring to UK meteorologist Laura Tobin as “oh no! Ignorant Pommy weather girl calls me a climate change denier”. (Laura Tobin Meteorologist – A degree in Physics & Meteorology, 4 yrs as an aviation forecaster at the RAF, 12 yrs as a broadcast meteorologist, Attended a @WMO Climate course last year & upto date with all the science.)

Supports alternative treatments for Covid-19 that have not been properly evidenced.

Supports anti-vaxxers.

Is out of step with government and health experts.

Craig is into anti-science.

Bit of a loose cannon isn’t he.

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Date: 4/02/2021 23:37:39
From: dv
ID: 1690593
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The two men running the Australian economy are completely at odds, fighting each other while saying they’re not.

The one who is right is powerless, and the one with the power is wrong.

Philip Lowe, the Governor of the Reserve Bank, is trying to get wages up, but he can’t. Prime Minister Scott Morrison could get wages up but he is so deep in the habit of suppressing them that it’s an addiction.

So they’re at loggerheads. But the first rule of Fight Club is you don’t talk about Fight Club.

Both of them made big speeches this week. Dr Lowe was explicit about trying to get wages up and said the RBA expected to be working at it until 2024, using near-zero interest rates and money creation; Mr Morrison said everything is fine and it’s time to start reducing debt.

The Australian economy is a horse with two jockeys: One is whacking it with a wet lettuce and the other is pulling on the reins. Horse confused, likely to pull up.

On Monday the Prime Minister proudly said “the unemployment rate has fallen from 7.5 per cent in July last year down to 6.6 per cent in December”.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/02/04/alan-kohler-fight-club/

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Date: 4/02/2021 23:43:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690599
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The two men running the Australian economy are completely at odds, fighting each other while saying they’re not.

The one who is right is powerless, and the one with the power is wrong.

Philip Lowe, the Governor of the Reserve Bank, is trying to get wages up, but he can’t. Prime Minister Scott Morrison could get wages up but he is so deep in the habit of suppressing them that it’s an addiction.

So they’re at loggerheads. But the first rule of Fight Club is you don’t talk about Fight Club.

Both of them made big speeches this week. Dr Lowe was explicit about trying to get wages up and said the RBA expected to be working at it until 2024, using near-zero interest rates and money creation; Mr Morrison said everything is fine and it’s time to start reducing debt.

The Australian economy is a horse with two jockeys: One is whacking it with a wet lettuce and the other is pulling on the reins. Horse confused, likely to pull up.

On Monday the Prime Minister proudly said “the unemployment rate has fallen from 7.5 per cent in July last year down to 6.6 per cent in December”.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/02/04/alan-kohler-fight-club/

With growing numbers of homeless employed people perhaps it isn’t all about the unemployed.

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Date: 5/02/2021 10:34:45
From: dv
ID: 1690715
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-victorian-parliament-has-passed-a-bill-banning-gay-conversion-therapy

Gay conversion practices have been banned in Victoria following a marathon debate in the state’s parliament overnight

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Date: 5/02/2021 11:11:19
From: buffy
ID: 1690756
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-victorian-parliament-has-passed-a-bill-banning-gay-conversion-therapy

Gay conversion practices have been banned in Victoria following a marathon debate in the state’s parliament overnight

You know, until a few years ago, I don’t think I even know such a thing existed. And then I thought it was an American thing.

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Date: 5/02/2021 11:32:57
From: dv
ID: 1690776
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


dv said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-victorian-parliament-has-passed-a-bill-banning-gay-conversion-therapy

Gay conversion practices have been banned in Victoria following a marathon debate in the state’s parliament overnight

You know, until a few years ago, I don’t think I even know such a thing existed. And then I thought it was an American thing.

It’s a Hillsong thing

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Date: 5/02/2021 11:34:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1690779
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


buffy said:

dv said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-victorian-parliament-has-passed-a-bill-banning-gay-conversion-therapy

Gay conversion practices have been banned in Victoria following a marathon debate in the state’s parliament overnight

You know, until a few years ago, I don’t think I even know such a thing existed. And then I thought it was an American thing.

It’s a Hillsong thing

So what denotes it as a therapy?

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Date: 5/02/2021 11:36:39
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1690780
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


dv said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-victorian-parliament-has-passed-a-bill-banning-gay-conversion-therapy

Gay conversion practices have been banned in Victoria following a marathon debate in the state’s parliament overnight

You know, until a few years ago, I don’t think I even know such a thing existed. And then I thought it was an American thing.

And now they’ll have to go overseas for treatment, it’s not right.

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Date: 5/02/2021 11:36:51
From: Cymek
ID: 1690781
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


buffy said:

dv said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-victorian-parliament-has-passed-a-bill-banning-gay-conversion-therapy

Gay conversion practices have been banned in Victoria following a marathon debate in the state’s parliament overnight

You know, until a few years ago, I don’t think I even know such a thing existed. And then I thought it was an American thing.

It’s a Hillsong thing

A distasteful practice, I wonder how they turn out, pretty poor I imagine and that’s not assuming the suicide risk increase

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Date: 5/02/2021 11:37:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1690784
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

buffy said:

You know, until a few years ago, I don’t think I even know such a thing existed. And then I thought it was an American thing.

It’s a Hillsong thing

So what denotes it as a therapy?

TM on GCT

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Date: 5/02/2021 11:39:23
From: Cymek
ID: 1690786
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

buffy said:

You know, until a few years ago, I don’t think I even know such a thing existed. And then I thought it was an American thing.

It’s a Hillsong thing

So what denotes it as a therapy?

Them saying so probably
The last thing anyone announcing themselves as gay is that nonsense from family, the best you can say is no problem, we’ll help you if you need it

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Date: 5/02/2021 16:30:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690914
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Craig Kelly’s Facebook posts are mysteriously disappearing – and no one can explain it

Liberal MP insists he has not deleted any posts, and Facebook says it is not responsible and can’t account for their disappearance

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/05/craig-kellys-facebook-posts-are-mysteriously-disappearing-and-no-one-can-explain-it

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Date: 5/02/2021 16:35:34
From: party_pants
ID: 1690916
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

Craig Kelly’s Facebook posts are mysteriously disappearing – and no one can explain it

Liberal MP insists he has not deleted any posts, and Facebook says it is not responsible and can’t account for their disappearance

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/05/craig-kellys-facebook-posts-are-mysteriously-disappearing-and-no-one-can-explain-it

his password is password and someone hacked his account.

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Date: 5/02/2021 16:47:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1690922
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

Craig Kelly’s Facebook posts are mysteriously disappearing – and no one can explain it

Liberal MP insists he has not deleted any posts, and Facebook says it is not responsible and can’t account for their disappearance

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/05/craig-kellys-facebook-posts-are-mysteriously-disappearing-and-no-one-can-explain-it

his password is password and someone hacked his account.

He might be …fibbing.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:30:52
From: dv
ID: 1691915
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/07/michael-mccormack-says-agriculture-could-be-excluded-from-2050-net-zero-emissions-target?CMP=soc_567

Some Australian Nationals MPs, including the former party leader Barnaby Joyce and Senator Matt Canavan, have been increasingly vocal about quarantining industries such as agriculture and mining from any target Australia signs up to.

The prime minister has indicated his government is considering a formal target but has yet to commit.

“Our goal is to reach net zero emissions as soon as possible, and preferably by 2050,” he said last week.

But in a sign of just how difficult crafting a consensus climate policy can be within the Coalition, Morrison’s deputy said the future was not a priority for him.

“We are not worried, or I’m certainly not worried, about what might happen in 30 years’ time,” McCormack said.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:33:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1691917
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/07/michael-mccormack-says-agriculture-could-be-excluded-from-2050-net-zero-emissions-target?CMP=soc_567

Some Australian Nationals MPs, including the former party leader Barnaby Joyce and Senator Matt Canavan, have been increasingly vocal about quarantining industries such as agriculture and mining from any target Australia signs up to.

The prime minister has indicated his government is considering a formal target but has yet to commit.

“Our goal is to reach net zero emissions as soon as possible, and preferably by 2050,” he said last week.

But in a sign of just how difficult crafting a consensus climate policy can be within the Coalition, Morrison’s deputy said the future was not a priority for him.

“We are not worried, or I’m certainly not worried, about what might happen in 30 years’ time,” McCormack said. 

If they are going to exclude agriculture and mining they might as well exclude electricity generation and transport as well.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:35:33
From: dv
ID: 1691921
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/07/michael-mccormack-says-agriculture-could-be-excluded-from-2050-net-zero-emissions-target?CMP=soc_567

Some Australian Nationals MPs, including the former party leader Barnaby Joyce and Senator Matt Canavan, have been increasingly vocal about quarantining industries such as agriculture and mining from any target Australia signs up to.

The prime minister has indicated his government is considering a formal target but has yet to commit.

“Our goal is to reach net zero emissions as soon as possible, and preferably by 2050,” he said last week.

But in a sign of just how difficult crafting a consensus climate policy can be within the Coalition, Morrison’s deputy said the future was not a priority for him.

“We are not worried, or I’m certainly not worried, about what might happen in 30 years’ time,” McCormack said. 

If they are going to exclude agriculture and mining they might as well exclude electricity generation and transport as well.

And hey manufacturing

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:36:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1691923
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/07/michael-mccormack-says-agriculture-could-be-excluded-from-2050-net-zero-emissions-target?CMP=soc_567

Some Australian Nationals MPs, including the former party leader Barnaby Joyce and Senator Matt Canavan, have been increasingly vocal about quarantining industries such as agriculture and mining from any target Australia signs up to.

The prime minister has indicated his government is considering a formal target but has yet to commit.

“Our goal is to reach net zero emissions as soon as possible, and preferably by 2050,” he said last week.

But in a sign of just how difficult crafting a consensus climate policy can be within the Coalition, Morrison’s deputy said the future was not a priority for him.

“We are not worried, or I’m certainly not worried, about what might happen in 30 years’ time,” McCormack said. 

If they are going to exclude agriculture and mining they might as well exclude electricity generation and transport as well.

And hey manufacturing

So it’ll all be down to construction?

That’d be right.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:38:50
From: Tamb
ID: 1691924
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If they are going to exclude agriculture and mining they might as well exclude electricity generation and transport as well.

And hey manufacturing

So it’ll all be down to construction?

That’d be right.


Manufacturing will be OK. We no longer have any.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:42:12
From: Michael V
ID: 1691926
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/07/michael-mccormack-says-agriculture-could-be-excluded-from-2050-net-zero-emissions-target?CMP=soc_567

Some Australian Nationals MPs, including the former party leader Barnaby Joyce and Senator Matt Canavan, have been increasingly vocal about quarantining industries such as agriculture and mining from any target Australia signs up to.

The prime minister has indicated his government is considering a formal target but has yet to commit.

“Our goal is to reach net zero emissions as soon as possible, and preferably by 2050,” he said last week.

But in a sign of just how difficult crafting a consensus climate policy can be within the Coalition, Morrison’s deputy said the future was not a priority for him.

“We are not worried, or I’m certainly not worried, about what might happen in 30 years’ time,” McCormack said. 

If they are going to exclude agriculture and mining they might as well exclude electricity generation and transport as well.

Simples: they could just keep going the way they are…

Oh wait, that’s what you suggested.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:43:31
From: Michael V
ID: 1691928
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If they are going to exclude agriculture and mining they might as well exclude electricity generation and transport as well.

And hey manufacturing

So it’ll all be down to construction?

That’d be right.

Yeah, get rid of that concrete, or at least make them carbon-capture and store.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:47:50
From: party_pants
ID: 1691931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/07/michael-mccormack-says-agriculture-could-be-excluded-from-2050-net-zero-emissions-target?CMP=soc_567

Some Australian Nationals MPs, including the former party leader Barnaby Joyce and Senator Matt Canavan, have been increasingly vocal about quarantining industries such as agriculture and mining from any target Australia signs up to.

The prime minister has indicated his government is considering a formal target but has yet to commit.

“Our goal is to reach net zero emissions as soon as possible, and preferably by 2050,” he said last week.

But in a sign of just how difficult crafting a consensus climate policy can be within the Coalition, Morrison’s deputy said the future was not a priority for him.

“We are not worried, or I’m certainly not worried, about what might happen in 30 years’ time,” McCormack said. 

Handing out exemptions kinda defeats the porpoise.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:49:12
From: party_pants
ID: 1691932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If they are going to exclude agriculture and mining they might as well exclude electricity generation and transport as well.

And hey manufacturing

So it’ll all be down to construction?

That’d be right.

Cement manufacturers will want an exemption too. That industry is a big emitter of CO2.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:53:16
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1691933
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>And hey manufacturing

That comes under agriculture.

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Date: 7/02/2021 14:53:31
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1691934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

And hey manufacturing

So it’ll all be down to construction?

That’d be right.

Cement manufacturers will want an exemption too. That industry is a big emitter of CO2.

Perhaps we should just forget about it? Makes life much easier.

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Date: 7/02/2021 15:03:57
From: party_pants
ID: 1691935
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So it’ll all be down to construction?

That’d be right.

Cement manufacturers will want an exemption too. That industry is a big emitter of CO2.

Perhaps we should just forget about it? Makes life much easier.

Other countries might impose economic sanctions on us.

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Date: 7/02/2021 15:04:54
From: dv
ID: 1691936
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


>And hey manufacturing

That comes under agriculture.

Amusing

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:38:55
From: dv
ID: 1692351
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:40:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1692352
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Jesus Christ.

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:41:35
From: party_pants
ID: 1692353
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



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Date: 8/02/2021 15:41:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1692354
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Getting a bit nervous, Andrew?

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:41:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1692355
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



really?

Is it April 1?

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:43:47
From: party_pants
ID: 1692356
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mind you, I can’t read the article if it is subscribers only.

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:52:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1692359
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Mind you, I can’t read the article if it is subscribers only.

Andrew can feel the net closing around him…

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:53:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1692360
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Is he worried about himself?

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:56:42
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1692361
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



What the actual fuck.

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Date: 8/02/2021 15:58:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1692362
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Mind you, I can’t read the article if it is subscribers only.

Andrew can feel the net closing around him…

… and Herald Scum subscribers?

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Date: 8/02/2021 18:09:48
From: dv
ID: 1692395
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Mind you, I can’t read the article if it is subscribers only.

Yrah I thought about paying a dollar but nah

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Date: 8/02/2021 18:15:24
From: party_pants
ID: 1692401
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

Mind you, I can’t read the article if it is subscribers only.

Yrah I thought about paying a dollar but nah

Well, I’m just trying to be fair.

I thought he might have been complaining about people being wrongfully convicted, sent to jail, and then found not guilty on appeal and released; rather than about guilty people being locked up as if jail terms were somehow an overreaction. The headline seems to suggest the latter, which I can’t believe even Bolt would be seriously advocating.

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Date: 9/02/2021 07:52:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1692537
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘They might as well have been microchipping me’: Lambie on the offensive over unfair dismissal claims

By Lucy MacDonald
Senator Jacqui Lambie tells a court two of her former staff members were trying to “belittle” and “shame” her when they sent a letter to then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull, detailing their list of grievances with her.’

The staff members are Rob and Fern Messenger.

Rob was my local Qld Parliament MP (L/NP) for a while.

He’s a sneaky, narcissistic, self-serving little shit. Why Lambie would employ him baffles me. I have no doubt that he was gathering every scrap of info he could about Lambie, and relaying it to whoever he thinks will look after him best in the future. Deliberately or accidentally, he would have been doing his best to ensure Lambie’s office ran like a shambles.

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Date: 9/02/2021 11:34:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1692587
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Why Uber Employs more Lawyers than Drivers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLR37TEL8cA
—-

Another Michael West about not paying tax.

It made me think about the Murdoch/Google thing and how the Feds are intervening. They aren’t intervening to ensure appropriate taxes are paid. They are intervening to make sure Rupert is happy. And why isn’t Rupert happy? Don’t they give him enough money to be happy? They have no interest in stopping tax money going to offshore accounts because they believe off shore accounts are fine. Indue is set up that way. I’m sure there are pollies with their own off shores. Turnbull had one. Or more.

Meanwhile the pollies and Rupert can sling poo at the poor and call them bludgers as he makes fortunes out of real estate liftouts. While more people are becoming homeless. They are bad even if they are the Sydney type homeless working two jobs and living in the car.

Maybe if I had of inherited millions I would understand it all better.

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Date: 9/02/2021 12:55:08
From: sibeen
ID: 1692616
Subject: re: Aust Politics

TiL that the top 20% of households have an average income of $4,166 per week – after tax.

That’s $217,000 after tax dollars per annum. No wonder the top 20% consists of wealthy cockies and weather girls.

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Date: 9/02/2021 12:56:58
From: party_pants
ID: 1692617
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


TiL that the top 20% of households have an average income of $4,166 per week – after tax.

That’s $217,000 after tax dollars per annum. No wonder the top 20% consists of wealthy cockies and weather girls.

Just out of curiosity, is the before tax number known?

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Date: 9/02/2021 12:59:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1692618
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


TiL that the top 20% of households have an average income of $4,166 per week – after tax.

That’s $217,000 after tax dollars per annum. No wonder the top 20% consists of wealthy cockies and weather girls.

Quite surprised it’s that high, even allowing for 2 income families.

I wonder how many of the 20% are accountants and lawyers.

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Date: 9/02/2021 13:00:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1692619
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

TiL that the top 20% of households have an average income of $4,166 per week – after tax.

That’s $217,000 after tax dollars per annum. No wonder the top 20% consists of wealthy cockies and weather girls.

Just out of curiosity, is the before tax number known?

I don’t know. I’m just quoting a report. A report that in no way, no siree, Bob, has any political spin associated with it. Heaven forfend.

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Date: 9/02/2021 13:00:59
From: sibeen
ID: 1692620
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sibeen said:

TiL that the top 20% of households have an average income of $4,166 per week – after tax.

That’s $217,000 after tax dollars per annum. No wonder the top 20% consists of wealthy cockies and weather girls.

Quite surprised it’s that high, even allowing for 2 income families.

I wonder how many of the 20% are accountants and lawyers.

I’m wondering why they used average and not median.

I’m not really :)

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Date: 9/02/2021 13:02:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1692621
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

TiL that the top 20% of households have an average income of $4,166 per week – after tax.

That’s $217,000 after tax dollars per annum. No wonder the top 20% consists of wealthy cockies and weather girls.

Just out of curiosity, is the before tax number known?

I don’t know. I’m just quoting a report. A report that in no way, no siree, Bob, has any political spin associated with it. Heaven forfend.

That’s an average. The top 1% has most of it.

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Date: 9/02/2021 13:06:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1692622
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Just out of curiosity, is the before tax number known?

I don’t know. I’m just quoting a report. A report that in no way, no siree, Bob, has any political spin associated with it. Heaven forfend.

That’s an average. The top 1% has most of it.

Well spotted.

I forgot about the mean/median thing.

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Date: 9/02/2021 13:12:22
From: sibeen
ID: 1692623
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The figures I quoted where from this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/08/how-good-is-australia-labor-crunches-the-numbers-to-answer-morrisons-question

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Date: 9/02/2021 13:56:54
From: Ian
ID: 1692624
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


The figures I quoted where from this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/08/how-good-is-australia-labor-crunches-the-numbers-to-answer-morrisons-question

But Sooty never asks “How much less productive, more unequal, more corrupt, less happy, more indebted, less affluent and less trusting of public institutions is Australia than when the Coalition was elected in 2013?”

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Date: 9/02/2021 14:17:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1692625
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


sibeen said:

The figures I quoted where from this article.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/08/how-good-is-australia-labor-crunches-the-numbers-to-answer-morrisons-question

But Sooty never asks “How much less productive, more unequal, more corrupt, less happy, more indebted, less affluent and less trusting of public institutions is Australia than when the Coalition was elected in 2013?”

There’s a truism in law and politics that you never ask a question to which you don’t already know the answer.

It’s equally true that you shouldn’t ask some question to which you do know the answer.

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:22:19
From: dv
ID: 1693379
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Labor member for Hunter

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:24:12
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1693381
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Labor member for Hunter

He’s turning into an embarrassment.

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:26:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1693382
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

He’s turning into an embarrassment.

Labouring.

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:28:15
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1693383
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Labor member for Hunter

Australia produces 373,728.37 barrels per day of oil (as of 2016) ranking 31st in the world. Australia produces every year an amount equivalent to 11.4% of its total proven reserves (as of 2016).
Oil Imports: 302,855
Oil Production: 373,728
Oil Exports: 215,925
Oil Consumption: 1,114,645

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:39:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1693386
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:46:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1693387
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

Yes.

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:47:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1693388
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

Its a LNP trick. Change cars, trucks etc to steam, then you will need coal to power them. Pretty cunning don’t you think?

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:52:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1693389
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

Investing in a national strategic reserve is probably a better geopolitical plan than ramping up our own oil industry:

https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/taylor/media-releases/australia-boost-fuel-security-and-establish-national-oil-reserve

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:56:41
From: dv
ID: 1693391
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

On the other hand he’s wrong to couple it with finding new crude sources.

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:57:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1693392
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

Investing in a national strategic reserve is probably a better geopolitical plan than ramping up our own oil industry:

https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/taylor/media-releases/australia-boost-fuel-security-and-establish-national-oil-reserve

Hasn’t anyone noticed that the UAE are realising that they’ll have to direct their fundraising to a different source?

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:57:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1693393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

On the other hand he’s wrong to couple it with finding new crude sources.

Yes.

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Date: 10/02/2021 17:59:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1693396
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

The Labor member for Hunter

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

On the other hand he’s wrong to couple it with finding new crude sources.

they do really want to great Australian Bight.

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Date: 10/02/2021 18:01:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1693397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

party_pants said:

The closure of refineries and reliance upon imports is a bit of a real problem IMHO. For as long as we are dependent upon petrol, diesel and kerosene-based jet fuels to run our transport industry, the lack of local refining capacity and stockpiles is a strategic concern. I know we’re aiming at phasing it out by 2050 and all that, but in the meantime we need to be a bit careful about being too reliant upon foreign sources.

On the other hand he’s wrong to couple it with finding new crude sources.

they do really want to great Australian Bight.

They don’t even know all of what is there yet before they fuck it up.
Wait, that sounds familiar.

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Date: 10/02/2021 20:38:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1693461
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dutton is going down the chute rapidly.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton’s office fast-tracked a one-off $880,000 grant proposal to a retail association eight days after it made a $1,500 political donation to the Queensland Liberal National Party — at an event Mr Dutton attended — for the purpose of personally supporting him.

The revelation is part of a cache of ministerial briefings obtained by 7.30 under freedom of information laws that set out Mr Dutton’s awarding of grants from within a multi-million-dollar fund earmarked to support crime prevention efforts.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/peter-dutton-office-fast-tracked-grant-proposal-after-donation/13126496

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Date: 10/02/2021 20:53:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1693463
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Dutton is going down the chute rapidly.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton’s office fast-tracked a one-off $880,000 grant proposal to a retail association eight days after it made a $1,500 political donation to the Queensland Liberal National Party — at an event Mr Dutton attended — for the purpose of personally supporting him.

The revelation is part of a cache of ministerial briefings obtained by 7.30 under freedom of information laws that set out Mr Dutton’s awarding of grants from within a multi-million-dollar fund earmarked to support crime prevention efforts.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/peter-dutton-office-fast-tracked-grant-proposal-after-donation/13126496

This sort of thing is normal now.

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Date: 11/02/2021 20:10:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1693989
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Foreign minister Marise Payne cancels press conference after Labor MP turns up

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/11/foreign-minister-marise-payne-cancels-press-conference-after-labor-mp-turns-up

What fun. It’s all about control of the narrative I suppose.

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:06:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1694133
Subject: re: Aust Politics

WA Liberal Party calling for coal to be tossed aside and wind and solar to take its place, with Labor blasting the idea as “reckless”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/wa-political-landscape-turned-on-head-liberals-green-energy/13145928

right

we mean left

we mean this is getting fun

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:15:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694135
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


WA Liberal Party calling for coal to be tossed aside and wind and solar to take its place, with Labor blasting the idea as “reckless”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/wa-political-landscape-turned-on-head-liberals-green-energy/13145928

right

we mean left

we mean this is getting fun

Money money money nothing funny.

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:15:28
From: esselte
ID: 1694136
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Sorry if this doesn’t quite belong in this thread, but some people here may find it interesting (and fun, so long as you aren’t an NZer).

Don’t often see our little corner of the world discussed like this in Youtube videos.

Would New Zealand’s military stand a chance against Australian invasion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGYCRQk7i-s

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:25:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1694138
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

WA Liberal Party calling for coal to be tossed aside and wind and solar to take its place, with Labor blasting the idea as “reckless”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/wa-political-landscape-turned-on-head-liberals-green-energy/13145928

right

we mean left

we mean this is getting fun

Money money money nothing funny.

Maybe the Liberals are sending a message to the coal industry: bump up the ‘donations’ or we can make life difficult for you.

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:39:43
From: dv
ID: 1694143
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


WA Liberal Party calling for coal to be tossed aside and wind and solar to take its place, with Labor blasting the idea as “reckless”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/wa-political-landscape-turned-on-head-liberals-green-energy/13145928

right

we mean left

we mean this is getting fun

Fuckin’ ALP. When will they learn?

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:39:49
From: Michael V
ID: 1694144
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

WA Liberal Party calling for coal to be tossed aside and wind and solar to take its place, with Labor blasting the idea as “reckless”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/wa-political-landscape-turned-on-head-liberals-green-energy/13145928

right

we mean left

we mean this is getting fun

Money money money nothing funny.

Maybe the Liberals are sending a message to the coal industry: bump up the ‘donations’ or we can make life difficult for you.

Ultra-cynic.

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:53:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1694156
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

WA Liberal Party calling for coal to be tossed aside and wind and solar to take its place, with Labor blasting the idea as “reckless”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/wa-political-landscape-turned-on-head-liberals-green-energy/13145928

right

we mean left

we mean this is getting fun

Fuckin’ ALP. When will they learn?

Must admit, this bit seems a tad optimistic

“…Coal-fired power stations would close within four years and the state would lean heavily on renewables for its energy needs within a decade….”

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Date: 12/02/2021 10:02:27
From: dv
ID: 1694167
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

SCIENCE said:

WA Liberal Party calling for coal to be tossed aside and wind and solar to take its place, with Labor blasting the idea as “reckless”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-12/wa-political-landscape-turned-on-head-liberals-green-energy/13145928

right

we mean left

we mean this is getting fun

Fuckin’ ALP. When will they learn?

Must admit, this bit seems a tad optimistic

“…Coal-fired power stations would close within four years and the state would lean heavily on renewables for its energy needs within a decade….”

I think it would be doable, our credit is good, but you’d need your fuckin’ skates on.

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Date: 12/02/2021 10:06:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1694171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Fuckin’ ALP. When will they learn?

Must admit, this bit seems a tad optimistic

“…Coal-fired power stations would close within four years and the state would lean heavily on renewables for its energy needs within a decade….”

I think it would be doable, our credit is good, but you’d need your fuckin’ skates on.


and some good ice, not that thin stuff. The big solar farm out Merredin way is slowly coming online. 1/3 there last i heard.

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Date: 12/02/2021 10:19:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1694180
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Ultra-cynic.

Perhaps, but it would be surprising if the coal lobby didn’t now make significant efforts to improve its relationship with the WA Liberal party.

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Date: 12/02/2021 11:20:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694249
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dutton rejects ‘absurd’ criticism of grants program handling
The Home Affairs Minister defends his handling of a community grants program, amid accusations he prioritised marginal seats.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:02:06
From: dv
ID: 1694334
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2021/02/12/pete-evans-gap/

It’s on … Pete Evans is stepping into politics.

The controversial celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist has joined forces with a bankrupt politician to run for federal parliament.

On Friday, Evans was “proudly announced” as the first Senate candidate for the Great Australian Party, a fringe party set up by former One Nation politician Rod Culleton.

Mind the GAP

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:04:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694336
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2021/02/12/pete-evans-gap/

It’s on … Pete Evans is stepping into politics.

The controversial celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist has joined forces with a bankrupt politician to run for federal parliament.

On Friday, Evans was “proudly announced” as the first Senate candidate for the Great Australian Party, a fringe party set up by former One Nation politician Rod Culleton.

Mind the GAP

I do worry. I do.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:13:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1694342
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2021/02/12/pete-evans-gap/

It’s on … Pete Evans is stepping into politics.

The controversial celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist has joined forces with a bankrupt politician to run for federal parliament.

On Friday, Evans was “proudly announced” as the first Senate candidate for the Great Australian Party, a fringe party set up by former One Nation politician Rod Culleton.

Mind the GAP

The GAP between their politics and reality.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:17:50
From: party_pants
ID: 1694347
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2021/02/12/pete-evans-gap/

It’s on … Pete Evans is stepping into politics.

The controversial celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist has joined forces with a bankrupt politician to run for federal parliament.

On Friday, Evans was “proudly announced” as the first Senate candidate for the Great Australian Party, a fringe party set up by former One Nation politician Rod Culleton.

Mind the GAP

The GAP between their politics and reality.

That would make a great political cartoon. A train pulled up a station, only the platform is a couple of steps away from the train. One of them is labelled ‘Reality’ and the other is “Great Australia Party”, with Pete Evans about to take a step off and into the gap. The caption is “Mind the GAP”.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:18:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1694349
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2021/02/12/pete-evans-gap/

It’s on … Pete Evans is stepping into politics.

The controversial celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist has joined forces with a bankrupt politician to run for federal parliament.

On Friday, Evans was “proudly announced” as the first Senate candidate for the Great Australian Party, a fringe party set up by former One Nation politician Rod Culleton.

Mind the GAP

The GAP between their politics and reality.

That would make a great political cartoon. A train pulled up a station, only the platform is a couple of steps away from the train. One of them is labelled ‘Reality’ and the other is “Great Australia Party”, with Pete Evans about to take a step off and into the gap. The caption is “Mind the GAP”.

“But Senator Birmingham told Sky News that he trusted the Australian people to elect “more sensible” people to the parliament.”

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:20:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694352
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2021/02/12/pete-evans-gap/

It’s on … Pete Evans is stepping into politics.

The controversial celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist has joined forces with a bankrupt politician to run for federal parliament.

On Friday, Evans was “proudly announced” as the first Senate candidate for the Great Australian Party, a fringe party set up by former One Nation politician Rod Culleton.

Mind the GAP

The GAP between their politics and reality.

That would make a great political cartoon. A train pulled up a station, only the platform is a couple of steps away from the train. One of them is labelled ‘Reality’ and the other is “Great Australia Party”, with Pete Evans about to take a step off and into the gap. The caption is “Mind the GAP”.

I believe he dropped off the edge ages ago.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:21:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694353
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

The GAP between their politics and reality.

That would make a great political cartoon. A train pulled up a station, only the platform is a couple of steps away from the train. One of them is labelled ‘Reality’ and the other is “Great Australia Party”, with Pete Evans about to take a step off and into the gap. The caption is “Mind the GAP”.

“But Senator Birmingham told Sky News that he trusted the Australian people to elect “more sensible” people to the parliament.”

Does he really believe that’s why he is there?

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:22:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1694354
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

The GAP between their politics and reality.

That would make a great political cartoon. A train pulled up a station, only the platform is a couple of steps away from the train. One of them is labelled ‘Reality’ and the other is “Great Australia Party”, with Pete Evans about to take a step off and into the gap. The caption is “Mind the GAP”.

I believe he dropped off the edge ages ago.

Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:28:11
From: Neophyte
ID: 1694358
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

That would make a great political cartoon. A train pulled up a station, only the platform is a couple of steps away from the train. One of them is labelled ‘Reality’ and the other is “Great Australia Party”, with Pete Evans about to take a step off and into the gap. The caption is “Mind the GAP”.

I believe he dropped off the edge ages ago.

Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits.

They’ll never be taken seriously with that godawful logo.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:29:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1694361
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Neophyte said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I believe he dropped off the edge ages ago.

Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits.

They’ll never be taken seriously with that godawful logo.

Actually, i suggest that they adopt ‘Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits’ as their slogan.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:30:48
From: Neophyte
ID: 1694364
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits.

They’ll never be taken seriously with that godawful logo.

Actually, i suggest that they adopt ‘Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits’ as their slogan.

Too bad “To infinity….and beyond!” has been taken.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:31:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694365
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits.

They’ll never be taken seriously with that godawful logo.

Actually, i suggest that they adopt ‘Over the top, off the edge, and beyond the limits’ as their slogan.

OTT_OTE_WBTL

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:33:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1694369
Subject: re: Aust Politics

they sound like SovCits.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:36:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694372
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


they sound like SovCits.

Mates of Vladimir Poo-tin.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:38:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1694374
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

they sound like SovCits.

Mates of Vladimir Poo-tin.

that isn’t what SovCits means.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:41:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694375
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

they sound like SovCits.

Mates of Vladimir Poo-tin.

that isn’t what SovCits means.

That’s true. Thanks for the education. :)

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:47:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1694377
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Mates of Vladimir Poo-tin.

that isn’t what SovCits means.

That’s true. Thanks for the education. :)

People who want to be ‘sov. cits.’ don’t always think it through.

If you want to be a sovcit, and not subject to the laws and jurisdictions of e.g. Australia, well, that’s one thing.

But, it can also mean that you don’t get any of the Australian entitlements.

For instance, if you’re not an Australian citizen, and no reciprocal health agreement has been negotiated between you and the Australian govt., you may be obliged to pay for all medical costs incurred by you against the Australian health system, the same as for e.g. Canadian or German citizens.

As well, if you have a job, it may mean that you’re working illegally in Australia.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:50:43
From: party_pants
ID: 1694380
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

that isn’t what SovCits means.

That’s true. Thanks for the education. :)

People who want to be ‘sov. cits.’ don’t always think it through.

If you want to be a sovcit, and not subject to the laws and jurisdictions of e.g. Australia, well, that’s one thing.

But, it can also mean that you don’t get any of the Australian entitlements.

For instance, if you’re not an Australian citizen, and no reciprocal health agreement has been negotiated between you and the Australian govt., you may be obliged to pay for all medical costs incurred by you against the Australian health system, the same as for e.g. Canadian or German citizens.

As well, if you have a job, it may mean that you’re working illegally in Australia.

There’s a UN convention against people being stateless. As a signatory, Australia can’t let someone cancel their citizenship, or cancel somebody’s citizenship if it means that person becomes stateless. They have to belong somewhere.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:51:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694381
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

that isn’t what SovCits means.

That’s true. Thanks for the education. :)

People who want to be ‘sov. cits.’ don’t always think it through.

If you want to be a sovcit, and not subject to the laws and jurisdictions of e.g. Australia, well, that’s one thing.

But, it can also mean that you don’t get any of the Australian entitlements.

For instance, if you’re not an Australian citizen, and no reciprocal health agreement has been negotiated between you and the Australian govt., you may be obliged to pay for all medical costs incurred by you against the Australian health system, the same as for e.g. Canadian or German citizens.

As well, if you have a job, it may mean that you’re working illegally in Australia.

I do comprehend all of that. I simply hadn’t heard the term beforehand.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:52:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694382
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

That’s true. Thanks for the education. :)

People who want to be ‘sov. cits.’ don’t always think it through.

If you want to be a sovcit, and not subject to the laws and jurisdictions of e.g. Australia, well, that’s one thing.

But, it can also mean that you don’t get any of the Australian entitlements.

For instance, if you’re not an Australian citizen, and no reciprocal health agreement has been negotiated between you and the Australian govt., you may be obliged to pay for all medical costs incurred by you against the Australian health system, the same as for e.g. Canadian or German citizens.

As well, if you have a job, it may mean that you’re working illegally in Australia.

There’s a UN convention against people being stateless. As a signatory, Australia can’t let someone cancel their citizenship, or cancel somebody’s citizenship if it means that person becomes stateless. They have to belong somewhere.

Apparently if you have dual citizenship they can but they have to send you home.

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Date: 12/02/2021 13:55:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1694384
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

I do comprehend all of that. I simply hadn’t heard the term beforehand.

I’m saying that people can’t just pick the bits that they like. If you claim to be not subject to the country’s laws and authorities, you may find it difficult to gain access to the country’s benefits.

There’s a quid pro quo. The country says that you acknowledge and abide by these rules, and we’ll do this and this for you. If you quit your end of the deal, well…

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Date: 12/02/2021 14:08:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694389
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

I do comprehend all of that. I simply hadn’t heard the term beforehand.

I’m saying that people can’t just pick the bits that they like. If you claim to be not subject to the country’s laws and authorities, you may find it difficult to gain access to the country’s benefits.

There’s a quid pro quo. The country says that you acknowledge and abide by these rules, and we’ll do this and this for you. If you quit your end of the deal, well…

Yep.

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Date: 13/02/2021 09:34:09
From: Michael V
ID: 1694905
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Summarises the fluff of the ScoMo gov’t…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/climate-policy-morrison-government-commentary-what-about-answers/13149566

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Date: 14/02/2021 15:00:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1695502
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 15/02/2021 09:17:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1695858
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 15/02/2021 09:27:33
From: Michael V
ID: 1695863
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



eyes pop

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Date: 15/02/2021 09:29:17
From: buffy
ID: 1695865
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:


eyes pop

Yeah, but, the Feds won’t take on Hotel Quarantine duties. Too expensive….

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Date: 15/02/2021 09:40:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1695866
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:


eyes pop

Yeah, but, the Feds won’t take on Hotel Quarantine duties. Too expensive….

sigh

Yes.

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Date: 15/02/2021 15:02:04
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1696110
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PORTER THE RORTER ABUSES HIS POSTION YET AGAIN
In Christian Porter’s world, party mates override process or merit.
The attorney-general calls the shots on admissions to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal — and party hacks are the big winners.
As Australia was drifting into its festivity-induced haze over the Christmas break, Attorney-General Christian Porter quietly slipped out news of a $500,000-a-year appointment he’d made to a Liberal Party lifer. Nothing unusual in that.
Even less surprising was that it was another well-paid job for life at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal which the government has relentlessly stacked with cronies.
Yet the appointment of Karen Synon, made in the figurative dead of night, deserves a closer look, not least because she is the government pick to run the very area of the AAT — the social services and child support division — which called out the illegal basis of the government’s robodebt scheme. That scheme was a scandalous abuse of power which left a trail of ruin in the name of budget repair on the way to a billion-dollar class action settlement.
The appointment also closes the circle for Porter. He was social services minister when robodebt was introduced, he defended it as questions piled up about its legality and refused to apologise for any trauma it might have caused.
For the past three or so years he has called the shots on who gets appointed to the AAT and who gets fired (or “contract not renewed” as the euphemism has it). He has plenty of power which he has exercised in secret and with zero accountability as he reshapes the division which has caused the government so much grief.
Crikey is aware of at least eight well-credentialed and politically neutral AAT members who were removed, it appears, to make way for party hacks.
Crikey has been told Porter appointed Synon to the most senior ranks even though an interview panel — which included at least one retired senior judge — did not interview her, let alone recommend her for the role. The position is paid $496,560 a year. A High Court judge’s base salary is $551,880 a year.
Synon also does not meet the requirement in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act that she be an “enrolled legal practitioner” of a state Supreme Court for at least five years — a minimum qualification for even a lower-rung member of the AAT.
Added to that she has no experience at all in social services and child support law, having previously worked in immigration and refugee appeals.
Crikey asked Porter to address each of these questions but he refused. It’s a remarkable display of contempt given the taxpayer money involved, the important role the AAT plays in the justice system, and the abuse of process involved.
All appointments, he maintains, are made “on merit”.
Who is Karen Synon, and why the special treatment?
Synon, now 61, has a Liberal pedigree stretching back to when she joined the Young Liberal Victorian branch as a 16-year-old. She found an ideological soul mate in Michael Kroger, two years her senior and as powerful as they come in the state’s Liberal Party.
She worked her way through the ranks up to a senior job in Liberal Jeff Kennett’s Victorian bureaucracy and made it to the Senate in Canberra in 1997 where she stayed for two years until her time was cut short by internal party politics. Her husband was also a Liberal Party operative. (More on that later.)
In the years since, Synon has stuck by the party, chairing the Victorian Liberal Women’s Organisation in the early 2000s. The appointments have come her way, first to the migration and refugee appeal tribunals under the Howard government. She has continued the same work at the AAT under the Abbott/Turnbull governments.
The Morrison government also appointed her to the board of the Australian Housing and Urban Research Institute in what looked like the government’s dying days in April 2019. (A Morrison mate from his Property Council days, Adrian Harrington, scored a gig with institute at the same time.)
Synon may not have lasted long in the parliament but she put down some big ideological markers. In her first speech as a senator, she rose in praise of Menzies-era Australian values. She argued for voluntary student unionism and decried the “sense of hopelessness” which she said had enveloped young people in Australia. Dole bludgers were in the gun. Social welfare — the very area she now oversees at the AAT — was to blame.
“In trying to put in place a safety net, we have created a security blanket that many refuse to give up,” she said. “We have bred an entitlement mentality; a culture of dependency. This assertion of rights without countervailing responsibilities is destructive of cohesion in society and ultimately destroys the individual as well.
“It is a national disgrace that some young people choose unemployment instead of working in what they see as menial jobs.”
Synon declined to comment on whether or not she still holds these views.
Synon eventually gained legal qualifications with a Master of Laws (Juris Doctor) from Monash University. The record shows she was enrolled in the Supreme Court of Victoria in late 2017, meaning she had not met the statutory minimum of five years enrolment before Porter made her a deputy president of the AAT.
Part of a Liberal power couple.
Synon’s mutual obligation convictions though have been tested by her husband and fellow Liberal Party stalwart, Giuseppe de Simone.
Synon told parliament back in the ’90s that she admired and respected de Simone “more than words can say”.
So what to make of subsequent events?
In the years after Synon’s glowing tribute, de Simone has had several legal run-ins, most notably over a failed business venture: a cafe, which he set up with a fellow Victorian Liberal Alan Evers-Buckland.
De Simone and his company were prosecuted by the Fair Work Ombudsman for underpaying two workers at the cafe by $7000. One was a non-native-English speaker on a temporary visa. The court found de Simone had attempted to “ride roughshod” over “established legal entitlements” and had “deliberately avoided” his legal obligations.
He was also found to have demonstrated “broad significant disrespect for government agencies”, illustrated by his tax file number declarations purportedly signed by “Captain Featherstone” and “Luigi Incredible”. Noting a “total” lack of contrition, the court fined him and his company just on $120,000.
It emerged in later Federal Court hearings brought by the Tax Office that de Simone’s company also owed $51,234.47 in unpaid taxes before it was wound up.
Crikey asked Synon if she stood by the admiration she expressed of her husband in parliament. She has not responded. Nor has she responded to our questions on how she was appointed.
Crikey

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Date: 15/02/2021 15:35:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1696124
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


PORTER THE RORTER ABUSES HIS POSTION YET AGAIN
In Christian Porter’s world, party mates override process or merit.
The attorney-general calls the shots on admissions to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal — and party hacks are the big winners.
As Australia was drifting into its festivity-induced haze over the Christmas break, Attorney-General Christian Porter quietly slipped out news of a $500,000-a-year appointment he’d made to a Liberal Party lifer. Nothing unusual in that.
Even less surprising was that it was another well-paid job for life at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal which the government has relentlessly stacked with cronies.
Yet the appointment of Karen Synon, made in the figurative dead of night, deserves a closer look, not least because she is the government pick to run the very area of the AAT — the social services and child support division — which called out the illegal basis of the government’s robodebt scheme. That scheme was a scandalous abuse of power which left a trail of ruin in the name of budget repair on the way to a billion-dollar class action settlement.
The appointment also closes the circle for Porter. He was social services minister when robodebt was introduced, he defended it as questions piled up about its legality and refused to apologise for any trauma it might have caused.
For the past three or so years he has called the shots on who gets appointed to the AAT and who gets fired (or “contract not renewed” as the euphemism has it). He has plenty of power which he has exercised in secret and with zero accountability as he reshapes the division which has caused the government so much grief.
Crikey is aware of at least eight well-credentialed and politically neutral AAT members who were removed, it appears, to make way for party hacks.
Crikey has been told Porter appointed Synon to the most senior ranks even though an interview panel — which included at least one retired senior judge — did not interview her, let alone recommend her for the role. The position is paid $496,560 a year. A High Court judge’s base salary is $551,880 a year.
Synon also does not meet the requirement in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal Act that she be an “enrolled legal practitioner” of a state Supreme Court for at least five years — a minimum qualification for even a lower-rung member of the AAT.
Added to that she has no experience at all in social services and child support law, having previously worked in immigration and refugee appeals.
Crikey asked Porter to address each of these questions but he refused. It’s a remarkable display of contempt given the taxpayer money involved, the important role the AAT plays in the justice system, and the abuse of process involved.
All appointments, he maintains, are made “on merit”.
Who is Karen Synon, and why the special treatment?
Synon, now 61, has a Liberal pedigree stretching back to when she joined the Young Liberal Victorian branch as a 16-year-old. She found an ideological soul mate in Michael Kroger, two years her senior and as powerful as they come in the state’s Liberal Party.
She worked her way through the ranks up to a senior job in Liberal Jeff Kennett’s Victorian bureaucracy and made it to the Senate in Canberra in 1997 where she stayed for two years until her time was cut short by internal party politics. Her husband was also a Liberal Party operative. (More on that later.)
In the years since, Synon has stuck by the party, chairing the Victorian Liberal Women’s Organisation in the early 2000s. The appointments have come her way, first to the migration and refugee appeal tribunals under the Howard government. She has continued the same work at the AAT under the Abbott/Turnbull governments.
The Morrison government also appointed her to the board of the Australian Housing and Urban Research Institute in what looked like the government’s dying days in April 2019. (A Morrison mate from his Property Council days, Adrian Harrington, scored a gig with institute at the same time.)
Synon may not have lasted long in the parliament but she put down some big ideological markers. In her first speech as a senator, she rose in praise of Menzies-era Australian values. She argued for voluntary student unionism and decried the “sense of hopelessness” which she said had enveloped young people in Australia. Dole bludgers were in the gun. Social welfare — the very area she now oversees at the AAT — was to blame.
“In trying to put in place a safety net, we have created a security blanket that many refuse to give up,” she said. “We have bred an entitlement mentality; a culture of dependency. This assertion of rights without countervailing responsibilities is destructive of cohesion in society and ultimately destroys the individual as well.
“It is a national disgrace that some young people choose unemployment instead of working in what they see as menial jobs.”
Synon declined to comment on whether or not she still holds these views.
Synon eventually gained legal qualifications with a Master of Laws (Juris Doctor) from Monash University. The record shows she was enrolled in the Supreme Court of Victoria in late 2017, meaning she had not met the statutory minimum of five years enrolment before Porter made her a deputy president of the AAT.
Part of a Liberal power couple.
Synon’s mutual obligation convictions though have been tested by her husband and fellow Liberal Party stalwart, Giuseppe de Simone.
Synon told parliament back in the ’90s that she admired and respected de Simone “more than words can say”.
So what to make of subsequent events?
In the years after Synon’s glowing tribute, de Simone has had several legal run-ins, most notably over a failed business venture: a cafe, which he set up with a fellow Victorian Liberal Alan Evers-Buckland.
De Simone and his company were prosecuted by the Fair Work Ombudsman for underpaying two workers at the cafe by $7000. One was a non-native-English speaker on a temporary visa. The court found de Simone had attempted to “ride roughshod” over “established legal entitlements” and had “deliberately avoided” his legal obligations.
He was also found to have demonstrated “broad significant disrespect for government agencies”, illustrated by his tax file number declarations purportedly signed by “Captain Featherstone” and “Luigi Incredible”. Noting a “total” lack of contrition, the court fined him and his company just on $120,000.
It emerged in later Federal Court hearings brought by the Tax Office that de Simone’s company also owed $51,234.47 in unpaid taxes before it was wound up.
Crikey asked Synon if she stood by the admiration she expressed of her husband in parliament. She has not responded. Nor has she responded to our questions on how she was appointed.
Crikey

Crikey indeed…

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:35:00
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1696645
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:38:52
From: dv
ID: 1696648
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



Lolwhat

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:41:35
From: buffy
ID: 1696651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



Does that make sense to anyone? It doesn’t to me.

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:43:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1696653
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Divine Angel said:


Does that make sense to anyone? It doesn’t to me.

Nay.

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:45:52
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1696658
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Divine Angel said:


Does that make sense to anyone? It doesn’t to me.

That was the only photo in the article. Perhaps Scotty’s back to doing his own marketing.

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:46:10
From: Rule 303
ID: 1696660
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



Kerry Stokes is clearly a fan. You should see the bullshit they put across Ch7 down here.

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:52:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1696667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


buffy said:

Divine Angel said:


Does that make sense to anyone? It doesn’t to me.

That was the only photo in the article. Perhaps Scotty’s back to doing his own marketing.

Is he running ‘The Best of Scotty’?

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:53:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1696670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

Does that make sense to anyone? It doesn’t to me.

That was the only photo in the article. Perhaps Scotty’s back to doing his own marketing.

Is he running ‘The Best of Scotty’?

Too late anyway.

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:56:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1696671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

Does that make sense to anyone? It doesn’t to me.

That was the only photo in the article. Perhaps Scotty’s back to doing his own marketing.

Is he running ‘The Best of Scotty’?

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:56:27
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1696673
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 16/02/2021 12:58:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1696675
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



rubbish.

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:02:11
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1696676
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:



Luckily Scotty doesn’t have sons.

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:04:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1696677
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Bogsnorkler said:


Luckily Scotty doesn’t have sons.

Neither did Tony Abbott.

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:04:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1696678
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Bogsnorkler said:


Luckily Scotty doesn’t have sons.

Seems he has not been seeing his empath consultant.

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:39:52
From: dv
ID: 1696686
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:



Thank God he’s married I guess

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:41:26
From: dv
ID: 1696688
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Okay I found the beautiful throwback photo

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:44:53
From: sibeen
ID: 1696693
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Okay I found the beautiful throwback photo


He looks a bit like Magnus Carlsen in that shot.

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:45:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1696694
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Okay I found the beautiful throwback photo


Well 50% of the people in that photo look beautiful to me.

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:48:14
From: dv
ID: 1696698
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Okay I found the beautiful throwback photo


He looks a bit like Magnus Carlsen in that shot.

Yeah I’ll pay that, with hints of a young Shane Warne and Bob Irwin

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:49:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1696701
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

Okay I found the beautiful throwback photo


He looks a bit like Magnus Carlsen in that shot.

Yeah I’ll pay that, with hints of a young Shane Warne and Bob Irwin

The snidely sneer is all his own.

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:53:20
From: Cymek
ID: 1696706
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:


Thank God he’s married I guess

You think his photos are scary you should see some of the offenders photos I come across, the walking dead

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Date: 16/02/2021 13:57:46
From: Cymek
ID: 1696708
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

He looks a bit like Magnus Carlsen in that shot.

Yeah I’ll pay that, with hints of a young Shane Warne and Bob Irwin

The snidely sneer is all his own.

Not quite a shit eater grin

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Date: 16/02/2021 14:03:50
From: Ian
ID: 1696712
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

Okay I found the beautiful throwback photo


He looks a bit like Magnus Carlsen in that shot.

Yeah I’ll pay that, with hints of a young Shane Warne and Bob Irwin

Which one’s which?

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Date: 16/02/2021 14:04:31
From: sibeen
ID: 1696713
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-16/jacinda-ardern-australia-stripping-dual-national-turkey-terror/13159300

Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.

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Date: 16/02/2021 15:03:08
From: dv
ID: 1696753
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 16/02/2021 15:04:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1696757
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Wrong colour.

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Date: 16/02/2021 15:24:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1696781
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘Fixing the problems with Canberra’s culture has to start at the top
The Conversation
/

By Maria Maley
Brittany Higgins’ allegation she was raped in a minister’s office at Parliament House is one of a number of recent stories of bullying, sexual harassment and misconduct that have exposed the dark side of working conditions for some political staffers, writes Maria Maley.’

One thing that Sooty has not yet learnt is that no matter how much he wishes it was so, he can’t just pretend that somethings don’t exist/don’t happen, and that they won’t eventually surface to embarrass him.

‘If no-one mentions it, and everyone looks the other way, it’ll never be found out, and no-one will ever be the wiser.’

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Date: 16/02/2021 17:01:01
From: Michael V
ID: 1696846
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



nods

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Date: 19/02/2021 15:32:54
From: dv
ID: 1698943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. Loosened political donation laws.  Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

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Date: 19/02/2021 15:33:07
From: dv
ID: 1698944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. Loosened political donation laws.  Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

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Date: 19/02/2021 15:55:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1698957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

We’ve done that DV.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:24:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1698968
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

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A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:27:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1698969
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:28:28
From: roughbarked
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Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

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A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

Might be a good idea to keep posting it until everyone reads it?

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:29:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1698971
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

Might be a good idea to keep posting it until everyone reads it?

okay. you post it in a few hours and I will post it before I go to bed.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:31:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1698975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

Might be a good idea to keep posting it until everyone reads it?

okay. you post it in a few hours and I will post it before I go to bed.

OK.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:33:19
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1698978
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

and I edited it so it could be read.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:34:01
From: dv
ID: 1698979
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

Might be a good idea to keep posting it until everyone reads it?

okay. you post it in a few hours and I will post it before I go to bed.

We shall post this every hour on the hour until the Libs are gone

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:35:35
From: dv
ID: 1698980
Subject: re: Aust Politics

#whatwouldjennydo

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:37:15
From: dv
ID: 1698981
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In fairness to Morrison, at least his staffer said he was mortified about what had happened and how it had been handled

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:38:06
From: buffy
ID: 1698982
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

Actually, I can’t claim that one. Someone else put the link in here and I spent time this morning reading it. But it doesn’t matter.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:38:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1698983
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

I’ll just fact check an easy one.

>>Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.

The head of the AFP, Commissioner Negus, had this to say at the time.

“The decision was that it would be an unreasonable risk to put the Prime Minister and other people around in that circumstance.’‘
It’s not a good start.
I’m sure many of the other claims don’t pass the pub test as well.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:40:02
From: buffy
ID: 1698984
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sarahs mum said:

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

and I edited it so it could be read.

I don’t think it was cut and pasted originally on here. Because I followed a link to read it. But it still doesn’t matter.

Reply Quote

Date: 19/02/2021 16:40:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1698985
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

I’ll just fact check an easy one.

>>Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.

The head of the AFP, Commissioner Negus, had this to say at the time.

“The decision was that it would be an unreasonable risk to put the Prime Minister and other people around in that circumstance.’‘
It’s not a good start.
I’m sure many of the other claims don’t pass the pub test as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:41:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1698986
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


In fairness to Morrison, at least his staffer said he was mortified about what had happened and how it had been handled

For what reason was he mortified? How it might affect his likeabililty?

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:42:13
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1698987
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

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A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

I’ll just fact check an easy one.

>>Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.

The head of the AFP, Commissioner Negus, had this to say at the time.

“The decision was that it would be an unreasonable risk to put the Prime Minister and other people around in that circumstance.’‘
It’s not a good start.
I’m sure many of the other claims don’t pass the pub test as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

Yep and that’s where that quote comes from.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:42:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1698988
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

sarahs mum said:

Buffy posted it yesterday. And we chatted.

DV posted it little while ago.

and I edited it so it could be read.

I don’t think it was cut and pasted originally on here. Because I followed a link to read it. But it still doesn’t matter.

No. you can post it later too if you need to. It’s fine with us.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:44:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1698989
Subject: re: Aust Politics

can we stop quoting the full list already?

My scrolling finger is getting RSI.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:44:35
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1698990
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ll just fact check an easy one.

>>Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.

The head of the AFP, Commissioner Negus, had this to say at the time.

“The decision was that it would be an unreasonable risk to put the Prime Minister and other people around in that circumstance.’‘
It’s not a good start.
I’m sure many of the other claims don’t pass the pub test as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

Yep and that’s where that quote comes from.

so the government lied.

“A senior Australian Federal Police officer has said the agency did not advise Prime Minister Tony Abbott to cancel a visit to a Victorian university amid widespread protest against the Coalition’s budget last week.

But the Prime Minister’s office has insisted the decision not to visit the Geelong campus of Deakin University was based on risk assessment advice provided by the AFP.”

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:44:45
From: dv
ID: 1698991
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

In fairness to Morrison, at least his staffer said he was mortified about what had happened and how it had been handled

For what reason was he mortified? How it might affect his likeabililty?

So cynical

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:45:07
From: dv
ID: 1698993
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


can we stop quoting the full list already?

My scrolling finger is getting RSI.

Never

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:46:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1698994
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

Yep and that’s where that quote comes from.

so the government lied.

“A senior Australian Federal Police officer has said the agency did not advise Prime Minister Tony Abbott to cancel a visit to a Victorian university amid widespread protest against the Coalition’s budget last week.

But the Prime Minister’s office has insisted the decision not to visit the Geelong campus of Deakin University was based on risk assessment advice provided by the AFP.”

No, the Commissioner of the AFP refutes that claim by his own statement.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:46:29
From: buffy
ID: 1698995
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


can we stop quoting the full list already?

My scrolling finger is getting RSI.

I click and run down rather than scrolling. It’s actually faster.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:47:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1698996
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ll just fact check an easy one.

>>Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.

The head of the AFP, Commissioner Negus, had this to say at the time.

“The decision was that it would be an unreasonable risk to put the Prime Minister and other people around in that circumstance.’‘
It’s not a good start.
I’m sure many of the other claims don’t pass the pub test as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

Yep and that’s where that quote comes from.

Understandable. Hockey’s budget was a shocker.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:47:13
From: buffy
ID: 1698997
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr buffy is out of the shower. I can go and shower now. Pub tea – probably fish and chips unless there is a special that is enticing on the menu.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:47:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1698999
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

can we stop quoting the full list already?

My scrolling finger is getting RSI.

Never

I’d say most of those claims are contestable.
I picked just one to fact check and it came up bogus.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:48:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699000
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yep and that’s where that quote comes from.

so the government lied.

“A senior Australian Federal Police officer has said the agency did not advise Prime Minister Tony Abbott to cancel a visit to a Victorian university amid widespread protest against the Coalition’s budget last week.

But the Prime Minister’s office has insisted the decision not to visit the Geelong campus of Deakin University was based on risk assessment advice provided by the AFP.”

No, the Commissioner of the AFP refutes that claim by his own statement.

AFT says the didn’t advise, government says they did by giving them a risk assessment which i presume said best not to go. that’s how it reads. unless the government just ignored the assessment.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:49:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699003
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

so the government lied.

“A senior Australian Federal Police officer has said the agency did not advise Prime Minister Tony Abbott to cancel a visit to a Victorian university amid widespread protest against the Coalition’s budget last week.

But the Prime Minister’s office has insisted the decision not to visit the Geelong campus of Deakin University was based on risk assessment advice provided by the AFP.”

No, the Commissioner of the AFP refutes that claim by his own statement.

AFT says the didn’t advise, government says they did by giving them a risk assessment which i presume said best not to go. that’s how it reads. unless the government just ignored the assessment.

afp

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:49:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699005
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

Yep and that’s where that quote comes from.

Understandable. Hockey’s budget was a shocker.

Hockeys budget was indeed a shocker.
The current treasurers on the other had was very good.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:51:13
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1699007
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

party_pants said:

can we stop quoting the full list already?

My scrolling finger is getting RSI.

Never

I’d say most of those claims are contestable.
I picked just one to fact check and it came up bogus.

Even if they were all true you wouldn’t care because you’re not interested in accountable government when it’s your side in power.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:52:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1699009
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Channel seven think that was news, To tell us nothing.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:52:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1699011
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Channel seven think that was news, To tell us nothing.

oops, how did I change threads?

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:53:02
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699012
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:55:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1699014
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

I’ll just fact check an easy one.

>>Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.

The head of the AFP, Commissioner Negus, had this to say at the time.

“The decision was that it would be an unreasonable risk to put the Prime Minister and other people around in that circumstance.’‘
It’s not a good start.
I’m sure many of the other claims don’t pass the pub test as well.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

So it seems that they didn’t say what the chaser says they didn’t say, but they did say what PWM says they did say.

Think I’d better go to the pub and think about it.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:57:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1699015
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Channel seven think that was news, To tell us nothing.

Oh the news break that is actually an adert for the news. F that.

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Date: 19/02/2021 16:58:30
From: sibeen
ID: 1699016
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



Thank god that News Corp and The Australian are on the ball and were able to track down that text message exchange.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:04:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699021
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-police-in-embarrassing-uturn-on-tony-abbotts-university-noshow-20140527-392bn.html

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:08:12
From: dv
ID: 1699025
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-police-in-embarrassing-uturn-on-tony-abbotts-university-noshow-20140527-392bn.html

‘But late on Tuesday, the AFP issued a statement, ‘‘correcting its response’‘. In the letter, Mr Drennan asked that the record now ‘‘reflect the fact that the AFP did advise the PMO that the Prime Minister should not attend the event at Deakin University due to security concerns’‘.’

Oh dear looks like Chaser got it right.

Still, probably the other 124 are all wrong eh PWM?

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:13:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699030
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-police-in-embarrassing-uturn-on-tony-abbotts-university-noshow-20140527-392bn.html

‘But late on Tuesday, the AFP issued a statement, ‘‘correcting its response’‘. In the letter, Mr Drennan asked that the record now ‘‘reflect the fact that the AFP did advise the PMO that the Prime Minister should not attend the event at Deakin University due to security concerns’‘.’

Oh dear looks like Chaser got it right.

Still, probably the other 124 are all wrong eh PWM?

There seems to be a big logic flaw there, a rooly big one.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:15:35
From: dv
ID: 1699033
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

In fairness to Morrison, at least his staffer said he was mortified about what had happened and how it had been handled

For what reason was he mortified? How it might affect his likeabililty?

So cynical

Then again

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:19:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699035
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

For what reason was he mortified? How it might affect his likeabililty?

So cynical

Then again

Why do you do this DV.
Surely you must know the pedigree of van Badam.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:25:03
From: dv
ID: 1699037
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:27:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1699039
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



I thought it was the accused staffer who entered the psychiatric hospital, not Reynolds.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:29:29
From: dv
ID: 1699040
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:


I thought it was the accused staffer who entered the psychiatric hospital, not Reynolds.

True, they lost the thread there

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:31:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699042
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:


I thought it was the accused staffer who entered the psychiatric hospital, not Reynolds.

True, they lost the thread there

Might be on her bucket list.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:31:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699043
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



That’s appalling..

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:33:57
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1699047
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So am I right that the AFP are not pursuing charges against the accused rapist for lack of evidence or does the victim still have a say in it?

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:38:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699060
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


So am I right that the AFP are not pursuing charges against the accused rapist for lack of evidence or does the victim still have a say in it?

Whatever the upshot of it all will be right now the lass is very distressed and needs comfort and close monitoring.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:43:42
From: party_pants
ID: 1699063
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


So am I right that the AFP are not pursuing charges against the accused rapist for lack of evidence or does the victim still have a say in it?

I am not sure if that level of detail has been published yet.

Generally speaking the police/prosecution case will be reliant upon the victim giving evidence in court, along with whatever other corroborating evidence they can gather. If the victim is unwilling to go through that process they probably will not prosecute, as it would be a big hole in their case. I guess technically they could resort to summons and force a person to testify, but that would be seen as being a bit uncaring.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:45:16
From: sibeen
ID: 1699064
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/brittany-higgins-to-make-formal-police-complaint-alleged-rape/13173730

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:54:18
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1699070
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/brittany-higgins-to-make-formal-police-complaint-alleged-rape/13173730

Thanks Sibeen.

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Date: 19/02/2021 17:57:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1699072
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-police-in-embarrassing-uturn-on-tony-abbotts-university-noshow-20140527-392bn.html

‘But late on Tuesday, the AFP issued a statement, ‘‘correcting its response’‘. In the letter, Mr Drennan asked that the record now ‘‘reflect the fact that the AFP did advise the PMO that the Prime Minister should not attend the event at Deakin University due to security concerns’‘.’

Oh dear looks like Chaser got it right.

Still, probably the other 124 are all wrong eh PWM?

I’m even more confused now.

I thought the chaser said the police had not advised a no-show, but it seems they did.

So I guess that one is wrong, but the other 124 are right?

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Date: 19/02/2021 18:03:03
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699073
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-police-in-embarrassing-uturn-on-tony-abbotts-university-noshow-20140527-392bn.html

‘But late on Tuesday, the AFP issued a statement, ‘‘correcting its response’‘. In the letter, Mr Drennan asked that the record now ‘‘reflect the fact that the AFP did advise the PMO that the Prime Minister should not attend the event at Deakin University due to security concerns’‘.’

Oh dear looks like Chaser got it right.

Still, probably the other 124 are all wrong eh PWM?

I’m even more confused now.

I thought the chaser said the police had not advised a no-show, but it seems they did.

So I guess that one is wrong, but the other 124 are right?

who knows. at least we now have options. the second article is a few hours later than the first. same journo.

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Date: 19/02/2021 19:24:25
From: dv
ID: 1699097
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8648-federal-voting-intention-february-2021-202102181348

ALP (50.5%) gains lead over L-NP (49.5%) on the back of strength in Victoria, Queensland & WA

In February, support for the ALP is 50.5% on a two-party preferred basis, up 1% point since November 2020 and now ahead of the L-NP on 49.5% (down 1% point) according to the latest Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention.

If a Federal Election were held now it would be too close to call with a higher than usual 6.5% of electors undecided about who they would vote for and with the real possibility Australia would have a hung Parliament for the first time in nearly a decade. Normally around 3-4% of electors can’t say who they would vote for.

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Date: 19/02/2021 19:31:38
From: buffy
ID: 1699099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>>the real possibility Australia would have a hung Parliament for the first time in nearly a decade<<

I dislike this phrase “for the first time in nearly a decade…”. I would prefer people to use “for the first time since whatever year/date”. Because almost always they get my hopes up that it’s something unusual, and I find it’s not.

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Date: 19/02/2021 20:14:40
From: dv
ID: 1699116
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


>>the real possibility Australia would have a hung Parliament for the first time in nearly a decade<<

I dislike this phrase “for the first time in nearly a decade…”. I would prefer people to use “for the first time since whatever year/date”. Because almost always they get my hopes up that it’s something unusual, and I find it’s not.

I’ll pass that on

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Date: 19/02/2021 20:17:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699119
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/13173730

Brittany Higgins to make formal police complaint about alleged rape at Parliament House

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Date: 19/02/2021 21:11:29
From: Ian
ID: 1699135
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

(P.S. If you share this on social media, please let us know so we can invoice Facebook for that.)

That’s quite a list.

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Date: 19/02/2021 21:18:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1699145
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


JudgeMental said:

https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

—-

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

 Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity. 

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. 

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education. 

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. 

Loosened political donation laws.  

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.  

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. 

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. 

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.   

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. 

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. 

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.   

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. 

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. 

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.  

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. 

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. 

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. 

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. 

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.  

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. 

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.      

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.  

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. 

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.  

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. 

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.  

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. 

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. 

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests. 

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. 

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.     

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. 

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.  

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling.  Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.  

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. 

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. 

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. 

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. 

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. 

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.  

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.   

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). 

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.   

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.  

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. 

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. 

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.  

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.  

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. 

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. 

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. 

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. 

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. 

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. 

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.  

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. 

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. 

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. 

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. 

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. 

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. 

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. 

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. 

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. 

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.  

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. 

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. 

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. 

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. 

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. 

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. 

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. 

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. 

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. 

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. 

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. 

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. 

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. 

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. 

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).  

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. 

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. 

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.    

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. 

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. 

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.  

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) 

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. 

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. 

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. 

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.   

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).   

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. 

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. 

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. 

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. 

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.  

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. 

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. 

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. 

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. 

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. 

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). 

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

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That’s quite a list.

If you want more you can click on the 902 item list…

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Date: 20/02/2021 06:33:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1699244
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 14:44:49
From: dv
ID: 1699956
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 14:47:32
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1699957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

There’s been no official word (that I’ve read anywhere) that the vaccine is mandatory, so WTF are they on about?
Oh I just remembered that logic and reality aren’t the anti-vax specialties.

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Date: 21/02/2021 14:49:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1699958
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Idiots.

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Date: 21/02/2021 14:58:34
From: Tamb
ID: 1699959
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:


Idiots.


Satellite’s back.
Conversing with a Victorian lady yesterday & she claims that covid deaths are all Scottie’s fault because he’s letting planes in.
I asked how come there were 820 Vic deaths compared to 6 for Qld. She says they were all old people so were Scottie’s responsibility. When I remarked that Qld must be very fortunate to have so few oldies she became most petulant and abusive.

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Date: 21/02/2021 14:59:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699960
Subject: re: Aust Politics

As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:03:03
From: Tamb
ID: 1699962
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

I went to a huge (100,000 plus) nuclear disarmament rally in Sweden years ago. No violence or unpleasantness.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:08:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699963
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

I went to a huge (100,000 plus) nuclear disarmament rally in Sweden years ago. No violence or unpleasantness.

I went to a Pro Jesus Rally in Toowoomba organised by PeterT Ministries once.
It was all peace and light until some of those Pro Devil fuckers turned up.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:14:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1699964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

How about a peaceful demonstration against your right to demonstrate peacefully?

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:16:19
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699965
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

How about a peaceful demonstration against your right to demonstrate peacefully?

No worries.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:19:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1699966
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m going to get some vitals, cooking scales and self raising flour…ooh and tinned mushrooms and tinned tomatoes.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:20:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/29/a-foreseeable-catastrophe-how-covid-19-swept-through-victorias-nursing-homes

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:22:51
From: dv
ID: 1699971
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Still, got to love Australia. There are people willing to believe some stupid and dangerous nonsense but it’s a tiny minority.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:24:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1699973
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Still, got to love Australia. There are people willing to believe some stupid and dangerous nonsense but it’s a tiny minority.

I wonder if they realise most people are laughing at them.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:26:54
From: dv
ID: 1699974
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

Yeah they have a right to do this, I was more pointing out the amusement that the Millions March rally drew hundreds.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:26:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1699975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Still, got to love Australia. There are people willing to believe some stupid and dangerous nonsense but it’s a tiny minority.

Skynews can fix that.

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:40:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1699989
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Still, got to love Australia. There are people willing to believe some stupid and dangerous nonsense but it’s a tiny minority.

Skynews can fix that.

What About Facebook

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:52:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700000
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

I went to a huge (100,000 plus) nuclear disarmament rally in Sweden years ago. No violence or unpleasantness.

but these days they protest against their healthcare workers

https://poddtoppen.se/podcast/1422798900/our-man-in-stockholm/manufacturing-dissent-sweden-hits-back-at-covid-critics

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Date: 21/02/2021 15:54:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700003
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

As long as it’s peaceful I’ve got no problem with people demonstrating against…………….. well against anything really.

Yeah they have a right to do this, I was more pointing out the amusement that the Millions March rally drew hundreds.

well really we’re sure there were millions of brain cells marching there, a few tens of thousands each presumably

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Date: 21/02/2021 16:04:07
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1700010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Still, got to love Australia. There are people willing to believe some stupid and dangerous nonsense but it’s a tiny minority.

I wonder if they realise most people are laughing at them.

I’m not convinced that the minority is all that small sorry. On a few FB pages I go to, any mention of the vaccines brings howls of protest from a fair number of people. Not the best sample size, granted, but it does worry me.

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Date: 21/02/2021 16:08:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700015
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Still, got to love Australia. There are people willing to believe some stupid and dangerous nonsense but it’s a tiny minority.

I wonder if they realise most people are laughing at them.

I’m not convinced that the minority is all that small sorry. On a few FB pages I go to, any mention of the vaccines brings howls of protest from a fair number of people. Not the best sample size, granted, but it does worry me.

people

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Date: 21/02/2021 16:53:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700033
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Still, got to love Australia. There are people willing to believe some stupid and dangerous nonsense but it’s a tiny minority.

I wonder if they realise most people are laughing at them.

I’m not convinced that the minority is all that small sorry. On a few FB pages I go to, any mention of the vaccines brings howls of protest from a fair number of people. Not the best sample size, granted, but it does worry me.


Yes. There are a lot more nutcases in Australia than one may think.

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Date: 21/02/2021 18:18:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700070
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:07:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700093
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:16:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700094
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:18:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700096
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:


Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


Life of the effing party, that bloke.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:20:47
From: sibeen
ID: 1700097
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:


Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:21:38
From: sibeen
ID: 1700098
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:


Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:21:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:


Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


Talk about grasping at straws, where the hell does this rubbish come from?

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:22:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700100
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:


Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


Life of the effing party, that bloke.

Does he only womanhandle while in camera range or is it a thing?

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:25:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700101
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


Life of the effing party, that bloke.

Does he only womanhandle while in camera range or is it a thing?

He’s a double-shouty extrovert with little sense of other people’s space.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:26:49
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1700102
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Note her name, it’s likely to be on ABC’s Friday quiz.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:27:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700103
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I watched. I still feel the same. And why was she the only one in the room without a mask?

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:28:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700104
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Remember when he tried to force a bushfire victim to shake his hand?

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:29:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700105
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

sibeen said:

OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I watched. I still feel the same. And why was she the only one in the room without a mask?

And why would you be wearing a mask and touching somebody?

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:30:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700106
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Remember when he tried to force a bushfire victim to shake his hand?

She’s living on site in a caravan still.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:30:23
From: sibeen
ID: 1700107
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Remember when he tried to force a bushfire victim to shake his hand?

Yep, that was really shit and he looked a real dickhead doing it. This is not the same by any stretch.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:30:38
From: buffy
ID: 1700108
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

sibeen said:

OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I watched. I still feel the same. And why was she the only one in the room without a mask?

She may have difficulty breathing with a mask on. She’s not young.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:32:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700109
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I watched. I still feel the same. And why was she the only one in the room without a mask?

She may have difficulty breathing with a mask on. She’s not young.

And she’s possibly arthritic.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:35:31
From: sibeen
ID: 1700111
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

Remember when he tried to force a bushfire victim to shake his hand?

She’s living on site in a caravan still.

Eh, she lives in a nursing home according to the ABC.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:36:20
From: sibeen
ID: 1700112
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Remember when he tried to force a bushfire victim to shake his hand?

She’s living on site in a caravan still.

Eh, she lives in a nursing home according to the ABC.

Sorry, I’m mixing up the people now.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:36:33
From: buffy
ID: 1700113
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

I watched. I still feel the same. And why was she the only one in the room without a mask?

She may have difficulty breathing with a mask on. She’s not young.

And she’s possibly arthritic.

She’s certainly arthritic, she could not curl those fingers.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:37:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700114
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Remember when he tried to force a bushfire victim to shake his hand?

She’s living on site in a caravan still.

Eh, she lives in a nursing home according to the ABC.

The bushfire victim forced to handshake. It was revealed the other day when the skydiving and meadery grants for bush relief were handed out. She’s in a rented van on her block next to her burnt out house.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:39:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700115
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Thing with working with old people is you just have to suck it up when they do something embarrassing.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:42:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700117
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Thing with working with old people is you just have to suck it up when they do something embarrassing.

Is there an approved age for it? When do I get to be officially embarrassing?

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:42:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700118
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

Thing with working with old people is you just have to suck it up when they do something embarrassing.

Is there an approved age for it? When do I get to be officially embarrassing?

Uncle Scomo was the only embarrassment in that footage.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:43:43
From: buffy
ID: 1700119
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

Thing with working with old people is you just have to suck it up when they do something embarrassing.

Is there an approved age for it? When do I get to be officially embarrassing?

Go for it! You may have missed a couple of years of good embarrassing already!

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:45:19
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700120
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Peter Murphy
@PeterWMurphy1
The PM insists an elderly lady “give the V for vaccine”. She struggles to do so, having to hold her right hand in position. When she reverses it for comfort, the PM grabs her hands, w/o warning or permission, to stop her. Her face says it all. Who behaves this way?!
Confounded face
Angry face #auspol
!Peter Murphy


OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:47:52
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1700123
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

sibeen said:

OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

Not always. Swabbing before a vaccine is very 90s.

“Skin cleaning

If the skin is visibly clean, there is no need to wipe it with an antiseptic (such as an alcohol wipe).4,9

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:48:12
From: buffy
ID: 1700124
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

sibeen said:

OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

She had gloves on. I didn’t notice swabbing.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:48:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700125
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

sibeen said:

OH, FFS, what a load of stinking bullshit. The film clip is up at the moment on the ABC as the lead article. Talking about taking a still picture and completely framing it as the opposite of what happened. A lying turd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

The nurse who took my blood sample recently wasn’t wearing gloves. She needed tactile contact to find a vein (which is not easy on my arms).

But she did swab the area(s) before the injections (she needed two attempts; they rarely get it in one, and usually more than two).

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:49:29
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1700126
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

The nurse who took my blood sample recently wasn’t wearing gloves. She needed tactile contact to find a vein (which is not easy on my arms).

But she did swab the area(s) before the injections (she needed two attempts; they rarely get it in one, and usually more than two).

Giving blood sample and vaccinating are not equal.

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:51:10
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1700128
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Gloves are optional.

“Gloves and protective eyewear are not routinely recommended for immunisation providers. However, the person administering the vaccine should wear gloves and eyewear if they are at risk of coming into contact with body fluids or if they have open lesions on their hands.18”

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Date: 21/02/2021 19:51:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700129
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


Bubblecar said:

Rule 303 said:

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

The nurse who took my blood sample recently wasn’t wearing gloves. She needed tactile contact to find a vein (which is not easy on my arms).

But she did swab the area(s) before the injections (she needed two attempts; they rarely get it in one, and usually more than two).

Giving blood sample and vaccinating are not equal.

I should hope not.

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Date: 21/02/2021 21:19:19
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700148
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

She had gloves on. I didn’t notice swabbing.

Not when she rolled up the sleeve.

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Date: 21/02/2021 21:20:06
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700149
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-21/australias-first-coronavirus-vaccine-recipient-jane-malysiak/13176274

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

Not always. Swabbing before a vaccine is very 90s.

“Skin cleaning

If the skin is visibly clean, there is no need to wipe it with an antiseptic (such as an alcohol wipe).4,9

Is Staph. Aureus visible to the naked eye now?

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Date: 21/02/2021 21:55:02
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1700164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

I’m not a nurse, nor a cross-infection expert, but aren’t nurses s’posed to be wear gloves for patient contact and swab the skin before giving injections?

Not always. Swabbing before a vaccine is very 90s.

“Skin cleaning

If the skin is visibly clean, there is no need to wipe it with an antiseptic (such as an alcohol wipe).4,9

Is Staph. Aureus visible to the naked eye now?

Seems an odd question.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:07:59
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700169
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

Not always. Swabbing before a vaccine is very 90s.

“Skin cleaning

If the skin is visibly clean, there is no need to wipe it with an antiseptic (such as an alcohol wipe).4,9

Is Staph. Aureus visible to the naked eye now?

Seems an odd question.

It was rhetorical. I was using Staph. Aureus as an example of a highly infectious and very common pathogen that lives on the skin, is often transmitted between patients in hospitals, but yet is not visible, so whether the skin is ‘visibly clean’ would be a very poor test for its presence.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:10:53
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1700170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

Is Staph. Aureus visible to the naked eye now?

Seems an odd question.

It was rhetorical. I was using Staph. Aureus as an example of a highly infectious and very common pathogen that lives on the skin, is often transmitted between patients in hospitals, but yet is not visible, so whether the skin is ‘visibly clean’ would be a very poor test for its presence.

Regardless of its visibility to the naked eye, swabbing doesn’t decrease infection rates in the case of vaccinations, hence the national guidelines reflecting current best evidence for not swabbing clean skin.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:12:36
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700172
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

Seems an odd question.

It was rhetorical. I was using Staph. Aureus as an example of a highly infectious and very common pathogen that lives on the skin, is often transmitted between patients in hospitals, but yet is not visible, so whether the skin is ‘visibly clean’ would be a very poor test for its presence.

Regardless of its visibility to the naked eye, swabbing doesn’t decrease infection rates in the case of vaccinations, hence the national guidelines reflecting current best evidence for not swabbing clean skin.

Is that true? Well then… That’s interesting. I believe every injection I’ve ever received was swabbed first.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:15:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700173
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

It was rhetorical. I was using Staph. Aureus as an example of a highly infectious and very common pathogen that lives on the skin, is often transmitted between patients in hospitals, but yet is not visible, so whether the skin is ‘visibly clean’ would be a very poor test for its presence.

Regardless of its visibility to the naked eye, swabbing doesn’t decrease infection rates in the case of vaccinations, hence the national guidelines reflecting current best evidence for not swabbing clean skin.

Is that true? Well then… That’s interesting. I believe every injection I’ve ever received was swabbed first.

perhaps you don’t look “visibly clean”?

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:17:35
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

Regardless of its visibility to the naked eye, swabbing doesn’t decrease infection rates in the case of vaccinations, hence the national guidelines reflecting current best evidence for not swabbing clean skin.

Is that true? Well then… That’s interesting. I believe every injection I’ve ever received was swabbed first.

perhaps you don’t look “visibly clean”?

Pffft.

‘sif.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:20:28
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700178
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:27:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:



fair

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:29:29
From: sibeen
ID: 1700184
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:



:)

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:36:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700191
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/national/reasons-for-delaying-an-integrity-commission-are-blatant-nonsense-20201029-p569ox.html

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:43:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Rule 303 said:


fair


Van Badham
1 hr ·
Scott Morrison got vaccinated today – lucky him – although it was the woman next to him, Jane Malysiak, who received the first injection. You’ll note that Morrison has a suit jacket on in the top photo when this was done.

Then, because this man is a screaming clown, he got changed into his RIDGEY-DIDGE-REAL-AUSSIE-BLOKE costume that has the word “SCOMO” on the back, just so show us how superdooper Australian he is, cobber, true blue, by dingo!

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:46:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700201
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:


fair


Van Badham
1 hr ·
Scott Morrison got vaccinated today – lucky him – although it was the woman next to him, Jane Malysiak, who received the first injection. You’ll note that Morrison has a suit jacket on in the top photo when this was done.

Then, because this man is a screaming clown, he got changed into his RIDGEY-DIDGE-REAL-AUSSIE-BLOKE costume that has the word “SCOMO” on the back, just so show us how superdooper Australian he is, cobber, true blue, by dingo!

ROFL, this is getting crazier and crazier.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:49:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700203
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

Rule 303 said:


fair


Van Badham
1 hr ·
Scott Morrison got vaccinated today – lucky him – although it was the woman next to him, Jane Malysiak, who received the first injection. You’ll note that Morrison has a suit jacket on in the top photo when this was done.

Then, because this man is a screaming clown, he got changed into his RIDGEY-DIDGE-REAL-AUSSIE-BLOKE costume that has the word “SCOMO” on the back, just so show us how superdooper Australian he is, cobber, true blue, by dingo!

Tie me kangaroo down, sport.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:51:45
From: sibeen
ID: 1700206
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

fair


Van Badham
1 hr ·
Scott Morrison got vaccinated today – lucky him – although it was the woman next to him, Jane Malysiak, who received the first injection. You’ll note that Morrison has a suit jacket on in the top photo when this was done.

Then, because this man is a screaming clown, he got changed into his RIDGEY-DIDGE-REAL-AUSSIE-BLOKE costume that has the word “SCOMO” on the back, just so show us how superdooper Australian he is, cobber, true blue, by dingo!

ROFL, this is getting crazier and crazier.

Yep.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:52:19
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700208
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



Van Badham
1 hr ·
Scott Morrison got vaccinated today – lucky him – although it was the woman next to him, Jane Malysiak, who received the first injection. You’ll note that Morrison has a suit jacket on in the top photo when this was done.

Then, because this man is a screaming clown, he got changed into his RIDGEY-DIDGE-REAL-AUSSIE-BLOKE costume that has the word “SCOMO” on the back, just so show us how superdooper Australian he is, cobber, true blue, by dingo!

That’s one small prick for a man….








































What, you thought there would be more down here?

Nope. Small prick for a man. That’s all.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:54:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:


Van Badham
1 hr ·
Scott Morrison got vaccinated today – lucky him – although it was the woman next to him, Jane Malysiak, who received the first injection. You’ll note that Morrison has a suit jacket on in the top photo when this was done.

Then, because this man is a screaming clown, he got changed into his RIDGEY-DIDGE-REAL-AUSSIE-BLOKE costume that has the word “SCOMO” on the back, just so show us how superdooper Australian he is, cobber, true blue, by dingo!

ROFL, this is getting crazier and crazier.

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:56:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700212
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL, this is getting crazier and crazier.

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:57:38
From: sibeen
ID: 1700213
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL, this is getting crazier and crazier.

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

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Date: 21/02/2021 22:59:13
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

ROFL. roll ya sleeve up.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:00:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700219
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:01:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700220
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

He’s screaming out for ridicule and it would be unAustralian not to deliver.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:01:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700221
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

‘I’m not the priority’: New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern won’t be first in line for coronavirus vaccine
While Jacinda Ardern says she will “absolutely” he receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, there are others she wants to get the jab before her.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/i-m-not-the-priority-new-zealand-pm-jacinda-ardern-won-t-be-first-in-line-for-coronavirus-vaccine

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:01:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1700222
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

A short-sleeved shirt under his jacket would have been ideal. Shows he is a man of pragmatism and planning.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:02:21
From: sibeen
ID: 1700223
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

ROFL. roll ya sleeve up.

On a long sleeved shirt when you get jabbed in the shoulder, yeah…ROFL.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:03:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700224
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

But he was into lab coats and tradie wear and uniforms as well as the budgies.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:03:34
From: sibeen
ID: 1700225
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

Bob loved stripping down into his budgie smugglers but apparently no-one has a real issue with it.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:04:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700226
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

But he was into lab coats and tradie wear and uniforms as well as the budgies.

Not to mention scoffing onions with the cockies.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:04:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700227
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

A short-sleeved shirt under his jacket would have been ideal. Shows he is a man of pragmatism and planning.

Needs the show. I mean, who changes their shirt to get vaccinated?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:05:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

Bob loved stripping down into his budgie smugglers but apparently no-one has a real issue with it.

Hawke was often embarrassing, no doubt about that.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:05:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700230
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

But he was into lab coats and tradie wear and uniforms as well as the budgies.

I think slomos done the lab coat. and body armour.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:05:54
From: sibeen
ID: 1700231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

But he was into lab coats and tradie wear and uniforms as well as the budgies.

Fuck me, every pollie who has ever been born has had photo shoots wearing a hard hat and a hi vis vest and safety boots as they walk through a factory or a farm or on a beach.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:05:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700232
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:07:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700233
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Pretty mild BS

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:08:11
From: sibeen
ID: 1700234
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:08:11
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700235
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:08:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700236
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

The fact that Scomo allowed the states to do a decent job of managing the pandemic doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at him for being a clueless clown.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:08:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700237
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

There are people who still think Trump is the bestest too

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:09:00
From: sibeen
ID: 1700238
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Pretty mild BS

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:10:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700239
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

The fact that Scomo allowed the states to do a decent job of managing the pandemic doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at him for being a clueless clown.

2020 was the year I was glad to have states no matter what DV says/

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:10:47
From: Kingy
ID: 1700240
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

I’m guessing PWM still has faux news?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:10:48
From: sibeen
ID: 1700241
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:

Pretty mild BS


Which is just ridiculous. A bloke can wear his speedos with pride and say “fuck you” to the world.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:11:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700242
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

‘I’m not the priority’: New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern won’t be first in line for coronavirus vaccine
While Jacinda Ardern says she will “absolutely” he receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, there are others she wants to get the jab before her.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/i-m-not-the-priority-new-zealand-pm-jacinda-ardern-won-t-be-first-in-line-for-coronavirus-vaccine

though as they say you get the politicians you deserve and there are probably bigger issues to fight over, each to their own, if Marketing needs to show his conspiracy theorists a thing or 2 then he does it, if Dictator ‘da Ardern doesn’t have the same conspiracy theory problem she can afford to wait

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:12:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700243
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

Pretty mild BS


Which is just ridiculous. A bloke can wear his speedos with pride and say “fuck you” to the world.

Pretty sure Tony used to wear them to press conferences.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:12:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700244
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kingy said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

I’m guessing PWM still has faux news?

Nah, can’t you tell, he’s one of us sticking the boot into slomo viahis characteristic humour. it’s suttle…

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:12:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700245
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:13:18
From: Michael V
ID: 1700246
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

But he was into lab coats and tradie wear and uniforms as well as the budgies.

And onions.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:13:39
From: sibeen
ID: 1700247
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

But he was into lab coats and tradie wear and uniforms as well as the budgies.

Fuck me, every pollie who has ever been born has had photo shoots wearing a hard hat and a hi vis vest and safety boots as they walk through a factory or a farm or on a beach.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:13:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700248
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

It was the vaccination cos play day. But to tell the truth I think Tony was better at it.

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

The fact that Scomo allowed the states to do a decent job of managing the pandemic doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at him for being a clueless clown.

credit where it’s due though if someone can shore up the guts to let more capable others do what they need to do and not get in the way the entire time, hey it could be worse

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:13:46
From: Kingy
ID: 1700249
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

The fact that Scomo allowed the states to do a decent job of managing the pandemic doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at him for being a clueless clown.

2020 was the year I was glad to have states no matter what DV says/

Yes!

As a born and bred Westralian, I would much rather secede than lose our State Govt.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:14:09
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700250
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Tony loved parading in the virtual nude, which gave his shtick a tragic exhibitionistic edge.

But he was into lab coats and tradie wear and uniforms as well as the budgies.

And onions.

with skin…

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:14:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700251
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

I am one of the 48% (I thought it was 49%) who’s representatives get shut down in Parliament.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:14:28
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700252
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

Sorry, I thought you were talking to me.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:15:15
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700253
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source Lied by claiming they had implemented the majority of recommendations from the Banking Royal Commission, when they had only completed a minority. source Removed the names of many Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from the register of stranded Australians. source Deleted warnings of dangerous right-wing extremism in a senate motion about extremism, despite advice from ASIO that it is a serious and growing threat. source Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. source Offered foreign gas companies $50 million to extract gas from the Northern Territory. source Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. source Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. source Wound back consumer protections introduced as a result of the banking royal commission. source Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. source Voted against hanging the aboriginal flag in parliament during NAIDOC week. source source Loosened enterprise bargaining laws to allows employers to introduce new agreements which are not “better off overall” for employees, in ordinary circumstances not just exceptional ones. source source Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. source Spent money chartering a RAAF flight from Sydney to Canberra, even though Qantas services that route frequently at a seventeenth of the price. source Voted against an inquiry into the privatisation and corporatisation of essential public services. source source Invented new non-standard metrics to measure NBN performance, which make Australia appear to rank higher than otherwise. source Refused to publish a $2.5 million evaluation of the cashless welfare card system because the evaluation found that the $80 million program was not clearly effective. source Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland. source source Merged the Family Court with the Federal Circuit Court. source source source Introduced a scheme to pay community broadcasters to give up spectrum rights, and possibly force the SBS and ABC to give up their spectrum rights, without any plan for alternate uses for those frequencies. source source Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). source Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. source Spent $256 million just to add facial recognition as a login option for government services. source source Cut funding for Homelessness Australia by $41 million, during a recession. source source Introduced instant asset write off tax breaks for businesses during COVID, which will cost over $30 billion, to boost the economy by only $10 billion. source Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. source Introduced a new benchmark system for superannuation funds, to penalise funds that perform relatively poorly in the short term. This means that if some funds make high risk, high return investments, everyone else is incentivised to follow, like lemmings running off a cliff. source Added new rules to force superannuation funds to maximise returns regardless of anything else, which is a step towards disallowing super funds from having ethical and environmental screening, such as not investing in weapons manufacturing, or companies with slavery in their supply lines etc. It’s unclear how any fund can comply with this requirement without choosing maximum-risk investments. source Lied by claiming that a maritime union strike at a port was delaying medical supplies, when the strikers were still processing medical and perishable supplies. source source Increased administrative payments to job finding agencies, totalling $300 million during the pandemic. source Abandoned the prominent goal of a government surplus after repeatedly failing to deliver one 6 years in a row, eventually printing several hundred billion dollars during the pandemic (through bond sales), converting to policy that aligns more with Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). source source source Introduced the Underwriting New Generation Investment Program, which is specifically designed to deliver new electricity generators whose business cases don’t add up (even when ignoring negative externalities), by pushing the risk onto taxpayers whilst keeping the profit privatised (i.e. corporate socialism). source source Tried to spend $3.3 million on a feasibility study grant for subsidising a new coal generator. The company who would build it have no relevant experience. The grant criteria was written after the government decided that they would give the money to this company. Previous feasibility studies have shown that the project is too risky and unprofitable for the private sector. It’s also not eligible for the government’s own Underwriting New Generation Investment program. The government claimed this new generator will reduce power prices for regional Queenslanders specifically, but there is only one wholesale electricity price for all of Queensland, and it’s already 50% cheaper than the cost of new coal generation. source source Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%. source source source source source source Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data. source source Introduced a bill to allow the government to cancel any international agreements between universities, councils, sports institutions and other countries. source source Wound back consumer protections and responsible lending obligations for mortgage brokers which were introduced in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. source source Cut $2 billion in funding for university research, including funding for medical research during the pandemic. source Prevented Australian universities from receiving JobKeeper payments, whilst paying JobSeeker money to a foreign university. (University education is Australia’s third largest export.) source source Loosened corporate financial disclosure rules during the pandemic, preventing investors from lodging class actions against companies who mislead the market through omission of important information. source Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. source source Paid 10 times higher than market rate to buy some land new the new Western Sydney Airport several decades earlier than necessary, after getting a valuation done only by a valuer suggested by the seller. source source Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. source Defined the eligibility criteria for the JobKeeper scheme so loosely that millions of dollars from the government which were supposed to subsidise employees’ jobs were funneled straight out as dividends and bonuses to company shareholders and executives. source source Loosened political donation laws. source source Chose to ignore and not fix a security vulnerability in myGovID, which arose because the chosen authentication protocol is bespoke and does not match standard practice. source Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister. source source Tried to use money allocated for renewable power on new fossil fuel generators. source Tried to redefine what “investment” means in legislation, to allow the government to hand cash to fossil fuel companies, even when they are unprofitable and uneconomic, which demonstrates a strong ideological bias towards certain fuel types, with reckless disregard for economics. source Created red tape which will make it harder for individuals to take class actions against companies which have broken the law. This goes directly against the Coalition’s stated values, which include slashing red tape, and relying on free market solutions (such as class actions) to minimise bad corporate behavior (as opposed to direct legislation). source Spent $2 million on legal fees trying to prosecute a whistleblower who leaked truthful information about serious corruption and crime, which was clearly in the public’s interest. source Voted against a binding code of conduct to ensure politicians act with integrity. source Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy, recommended by an independent body, after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. source Proposed cutting HECS support for TAFE and university students who fail too many courses, which will give institutions a strong financial incentive to pass students who don’t deserve their qualification, whilst also disproportionately disincentivising disadvantaged students from enrolling, such as students from families with no history of tertiary qualifications. source source Opposed a United Nations inquiry into racism and police brutality in the USA. This is in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, when American law enforcement officials wearing no insignia were kidnapping random protestors from the street without due process, and American cops were assaulting journalists, and breaking into multiple innocent people’s homes to shoot them in their sleep. The Coalition government doesn’t want the United Nations to make a big deal out of these systemic incidents. source source source source More than doubled the cost of some university degrees, decreasing the government’s contribution to exactly $0. source source Wasted $10 million on developing a new “made in Australia” logo to replace the well-known kangaroo in a green triangle, only to discard the new, generic looking logo because it looks like the COVID-19 virus. source Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. source Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. source Prevented the Senate from discussing whether to implement the remaining recommendations from the 1991 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody. source Failed to stop the only boat that has posed a real and substantial risk to Australia’s national security. The government chose to grant an exemption to the Ruby Princess cruise ship, resulting in a hundreds of new COVID cases around the country. source Hurt barley farmers by antagonising the Chinese government, who retaliated by slapping an 80% tariff on barley exports. source Suspended requirements that commercial television stations produce at least some content in Australia to create Australian jobs. source Announced $50 million in funding to help the Australian film industry cope during the pandemic, but failed to publish any instructions on how eligible, impacted workers or companies can access these funds. source Increased military spending by $270 billion over 10 years, when the economy and our society were struggling to cope with the pandemic and the worst recession since The Great Depression. source Wasted $20.8 billion by investing $29.5 billion in the NBN so poorly that the end result is valued by the Parliamentary Budget Office at only $8.7 billion. source source Drafted the Religious Discrimination Bill which would allow employers and vendors to make statements of belief, such as a baker telling a same sex couple requesting a wedding cake that they believe the couple will burn in hell, or telling a job interviewee that their religious belief is like a mental disorder. source source source Introduced a new online service for helping allocated assets during a divorce, which uses a proprietary, immature, inscrutable black-box technology just because it’s a popular buzz word these days. source source Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden. source source source Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. source Broke an election promise about providing a trading system to help dairy farmers be more fairly compensated for milk production. source Falsely attributed COVID infection rate success to the buggy, insecure, privacy-invading COVIDSafe app, even though the only cases detected by the app had already been detected by more traditional contact tracing methods, which are faster and more effective. source source Took 21 days to fix a known security vulnerability in the COVIDSafe app. source Reduced the competitiveness of Australia’s technology industry by passing laws which allow the government to force back doors into Australian software products, which makes foreign customers less likely to buy them. The same drop in sales that decimated Huawei is now hurting Australian companies. source Released the COVIDSafe app with a known bug that makes it useless on iPhones when the phone is locked. source source source Ignored security best practices when deploying the COVIDSafe app, choosing not to run a bug bounty, and choosing not to publish the source code promptly, despite promises to do so, which lead to multiple vulnerabilities being discovered by researchers far later than they should have been. source source source Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt. source source Lied when claiming that the USA government cannot view sensitive COVIDSafe data, even though the American encryption back-door laws that allow the US government to force Amazon to hand over the data are the exact same laws which were the inspiration for Australia’s recent encryption back-door legislation. source Cancelled The Rule of Law by preventing journalists from reporting on a case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated. source source Wasted $96 million on administration costs for a single tender, to decide who to sell our own immigration visa system to, only to cancel the plan because privatising an essential service which can only ever be a monopoly is obviously a bad idea. source Introduced a new tax, to incentivise non-NBN users to migrate to the expensive NBN. source Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. source Proposed issuing fines of up to $50,000 to innocent people not suspected of a crime if they don’t hand over passwords for their personal devices to law enforcement. When law enforcement unlock a device after demanding a password, they typically don’t let the user see what was done, don’t tell them what was done, and don’t allow them to call a lawyer to find out their rights. In one case a Border Force officer looked through a series of nude photographs of someone’s partner, without the consent of the user or person in the photo, made inappropriate comments, and possibly made nonconsentual copies of the photos. If a citizen not suspected of a crime withholds a password to prevent this, they’ll be fined. source source Introduced new laws which allow ASIO officers to spy on Australian citizens without getting approval from a judge or anyone independent, and without filing paperwork anywhere. source Introduced new laws which prevent someone suspected of a crime from choosing their own lawyer. source Lied by claiming that only a small range of law enforcement agencies will be able to access data under the metadata retention laws, but actually allowed Centrelink, local councils, education councils and the RSPCA to access it. source Repeatedly approved requests by BHP to increase their greenhouse emissions limits. source Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. source Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose primary industry is neither website building nor education. source Ceased payments to the United Nations climate change fund. source Rejected a request for increasing aerial firefighting funding in the months prior to one of the most lethal bushfire seasons in history. The government claimed “other priorities” in the Department of Home Affairs were more important. The department’s other expenditure includes paying people to snoop through nudes in the phones of Australians not suspected of a crime, and spending $30 million to house one family for a few months. The fires killed 34 people and destroyed almost 10,000 homes. source source source Blamed an unusually bad bushfire season on unprecedented arson, when the evidence suggests most fires were started by lightening. source source Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. source Committed crimes against humanity according to the International Criminal Court at the Hague. source Failed to declare a property worth $1 million in a minister’s declaration of interests. source Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1 million in another minister’s declaration of interests. source Lied about data retention laws, claiming only metadata would be captured (e.g. domain name), when actually full URLs are captured, which includes detail such as the specific queries you give to Google, and specific videos you watch on PornHub. source Lied during an election ad, claiming 6 councils would be eligible for $1 million drought relief grants, when they weren’t. source Asked gay asylum seekers whether they could simply stay in the closet in their home country to avoid persecution, in a legally unsound attempt to find grounds for asylum rejection. source Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. source Lied by claiming that cops who abuse data retention powers will be punished, when hundreds of instances of abuse have gone unpunished. source Claimed that their data retention laws would be used mostly for terrorism and child abuse cases, when it actually is used mostly for drug offenses. source Proposed expanding the scope of data retention laws to include MAC addresses. Since MAC addresses are hard coded into each device’s hardware, this would enable continuous location tracking of everyone’s mobile phone. source Lied by claiming that tax cuts would be paid sooner than the passing of the relevant legislation. source Ceased assessing and listing key threats to native species. source Closed down a bushfire research centre, weeks after Australia’s worst ever bushfire season, which killed 34 people and destroyed over 9000 homes. source Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices. source source source source source Mislead the public by claiming they achieved a surplus, when they were referring to a prediction of a surplus in the future based on overly optimistic assumptions and ignoring reasonably predictable risks such as bushfire and drought. source Tried to count oil owned by Australia stored in the US towards the 90 day emergency stockpile we’re required to hold. source source Lied by claiming the MyGov website was taken down by a DDOS attack, admitting only hours later that it was due to the more obvious reason, which was a sudden, drastic and entirely predictable increase in legitimate load. source source Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. source Paid a reality TV star $260k per year to be a “career ambassador”. This is to promote vocational training as a career choice for young Australians, after they repeatedly cut TAFE and apprenticeship funding. source Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it. source source source Removed the Department for arts, rolling those functions into the department that handles telcos and roads. source Cut all foreign aid to Pakistan, and cut aid to Nepal by 42%. source Refused to provide any information when questioned in parliament about an Australian who was secretly imprisoned in Australia, for a secret crime, after a secret trial, an even the prisoner’s name is a secret. Lied by saying the prisoner consented to the secrecy. source source Voted down legislation to increase the Newstart allowance. source Introduced a limit on cash transactions of $10,000, in a move towards a cashless society, so that it then becomes possible to have negative interest rates and have consumers pay banks to store their savings. source Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. source Removes all mentions of “consent” from new legislation about sharing of personal data in the public sector. source Proposed reversing the onus of proof, so that citizens may be considered guilty until proven innocent, for tax fraud and money laundering crimes. source Lied about their new anti-union legislation, claiming unions can’t be deregistered as punishment for any single wrongdoing, when the legislation does permit that. source Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. source Granted ministers to power to use the military to quell domestic protests and industrial action, including shoot-to-kill powers when infrastructure is at risk (such as an environmental protest threatening a coal generator). source Spent $30 million detaining a single asylum seeker family for a few months. source Lied about the nation’s oil reserve, claiming it is 90 days when it their own figures say 58 days. source Voted down a parliamentary declaration that we’re facing a climate emergency. source Lied by claiming their religious discrimination bill was not intended to override states’ anti-discrimination laws. The actual documents tabled in parliament explicitly says it is. source source source Appointed someone in their sixties as Minister for Youth. source source Paid $9 million for a contractor to do literally nothing, because the government abruptly cancelled the contract and instead gave it to a less experienced and less qualified company. source Forecast an increase in wage growth despite simultaneously forecasting no decrease in unemployment. (So employers would pay more for no economically rational reason.) Each year they consistently forecast optimistic wage growth which consistently fails to actually happen. source Simultaneously proposed plans to support electric vehicles and ridiculed plans to support electric vehicles, within the same week. source Lied about the budget being “in the black”. source Lied by claiming to have introduced and passed non-existent legislation to prevent the mass extinction of threatened species. source Approved construction of a mine even though the company said they cannot promise that they won’t make the local rare species extinct, and that they cannot be bothered checking to see whether any member of those species does eventually survive the mine’s operation. source Admitted their promise to spend $2 billion building a fast train link between Geelong and Melbourne will actually cost $4 billion, and they don’t have the other $2 billion. source Introduced a law which allows the government to revoke the citizenship of whistleblowers, minor vandals and people who provide humanitarian assistance in conflict zones. source source Lied about Australia’s emissions, claiming they had decreased when they had actually increased to an record high. source Promised the creation of 1.25 million jobs without doing any calculation or modelling to arrive at that number. source Blocked the construction of Australia’s first offshore wind farm, which would create 12,000 jobs and meet 20% of Victoria’s electricity demand. source Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. source Voted against a United Nations motion for increased sexual education about women’s health, opposition to female genital mutilation, and access to safe abortion. source Cut funding for financial support for asylum seekers by $87 million. source Housed refugees close to large volumes of potentially deadly asbestos. source Spent $1 million from their Emissions Reduction Fund on a fossil fuel generator which would have been built anyway. source Spent $21.5 million over 10 months with an unsigned contract on a health contractor known to have a fatal lack of “necessary clinical skills”. source Charged taxpayers $1700 for the Roads Minister and his spouse to attend a fancy dinner party for the agriculture industry. source Spent $200,000 on chartered flights for ministers to travel between parliament and their electorate. source Spent $400 million on a problem plagued automated system which recovered only $500 million of unpaid debt, through an illegal “guilty until proven innocent” approach. source source Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. source Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack. source source Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling. source source Broke an election promise to establish a register of shell company ownership, to fight corporate tax dodging. source Shared personal information about petition signatories with a private company, without those people’s consent, so that the company can send those people spam. source Prevented a vote for a royal commission into abuse in the disability sector, with a filibuster. Question time was extended to the longest session ever. source source Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it. source source Gave lawyers only 36 hours to respond to a proposal for legislation for a sex offender register. We do not have a murderer or burglar register. Under existing laws, consenting 16 year-olds sending nudes to each other are technically sex offenders, who may be named and shamed on the proposed register. source Exempted the Adani coal mine from a normal water impact assessment because they believe 12.5 billion litres is not “significant”, and because the water pipeline built solely to support the mining project is a non-mining project on paper. source Cut $1.2 billion from aged care, and then denied doing so. source Cut TAFE funding again, this time by $270 million. source Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. source Lied about the Assistance and Access bill not forcing software developers to make their code less secure. The first item in the bill’s list of “acts or things” is “removing one or more forms of electronic protection”. source source source Spent $37,000 for flights for one minister for one day, to attend meetings which could have probably been made via a video call. source Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. source Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. source Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. source Rejected recommendations from the Productivity Commission that the government add a “fair use” exemption to copyright law, and to change the law to explicitly protect Australians who circumvent geoblocking barriers to access paid content. source Spent $400,000 to help train the Myanmar military, who were known to be guilty of ongoing genocide against the Rohingya people, and were later responsible for a literal coup to overthrow their government. source source Punished an asylum seeker for reporting sexual assault committed by a government contractor, and lied about forwarding the complaint to the police. source Spent $320,000 on legal fights denying asylum seekers urgent medical transfers to the mainland to treat life-threatening conditions. source Secretly blocked funding for $4 million in humanities research projects, which were already approved by the government’s research approval body (ARC). source Introduced a new reason for rejecting government funding of research proposals. Research which doesn’t advance the national interest will be rejected. Historically important yet socially controversial research like evolution and the sun-centric solar system would have been rejected under this model. source Spent $16,880 on personal stationary for just one minister for one year. source Spent $20k making custom phone apps for a single senator. A website would have sufficed. source Ignored advice from 3 government bodies, choosing to instead allow a private company to build environmentally damaging infrastructure in a World Heritage Area, in violation of zoning rules. source Handcuffed an innocent child whilst preventing her from receiving urgently needed medical treatment. source Gave corporate welfare to fund coal generators, through a grant which they claim is “technology neutral”, despite it specifying a narrow range of technologies. source Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. source Rolled out the My Health Record to the whole country as an opt-out system, despite safety concerns about how abusive stalkers can use it, and despite the trial involving 9 security breaches. 42 more security breaches happened within weeks of the system being rolled out nationally. source source Cut funding for the Foodbank charity for a third time. This time $323,000 was cut just before Christmas. source Spent half a billion dollars on an upgrade for a war memorial. source Gave money from a fund for Indigenous advancement to a fishing corporation to help it fight Indigenous land claims. source source Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. source Cancelled the citizenship of someone who’s citizenship application was approved 18 years ago, who has lived in Australia for 41 years. source Proposed the underwriting of coal power plant construction. Risks too high for the private sector will be thrust upon taxpayers, whilst the profit will remain privatised source source Doubled the amount spent on external consultants, after cutting public sector staff. source Cut one third of jobs from the Department of Environment. source Charged taxpayers for VIP plane flights to fly the Prime Minister between destinations on his “bus tour”. source source Spent $9000 buying hundreds of hard copies of a book which is available online for free. source Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian. source source Charged taxpayers $2000 per month for one minister’s home Internet connection. source source Reduced the income threshold at which graduates start paying back HECS debt, down to $45,000. source Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case. source source source Proposed plans to privatise the visa application system. Referring to this core function of a sovereign government as a “business” which should be “commercial” and “profitable”. source Removed emissions reduction targets from the National Energy Guarantee. source Outsourced top-level security clearance vetting to private contractors who transport sensitive documents via private courier, occasionally to the wrong address. source Refused a visa application on character grounds for a whistleblower who disclosed war crimes. source Refused a temporary visa application for a 10 year old boy to visit his father because the boy did not have a full time job. source Drafted laws granting ‘shoot to kill’ powers to military soldiers during riots. source source Sent $440 million of Reef research funds to an obscure private organisation, instead of one of the many relevant public agencies, and without any application process. source source source Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. source Assigned $48.7 million to a Captain Cook memorial. There are already 35 Captain Cook memorials in Australia. The money was taken from the ABC budget. source source source source Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). source Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published. source source source Threw $700k at blockchains. source Spent $3.6 billion to keep an old, dirty coal power station running for a few more years, when the alternative renewable generation plan would be $1.4 billion cheaper. source Increased the difficulty of the citizenship English test, so that applicants who are able to speak “basic” English will be rejected. source Deliberately destroyed water supplies at a Manus Island detention centre, to force refugees out of the camp and into unfinished alternative sites. source Chose not to take back money given to an exploitative coffee chain who violated the terms of the payment which was part of the PaTH program. source Spent $300k on 60 seconds of advertising to spruik new energy policies designed to reduce power bills. That amount of money could have been spent to pay the annual energy bills of 5000 typical houses. source Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10. source source Cut university funding again, this time by $2.1M. source Banned the Eureka flag and all union symbols and slogans from personal equipment on federal construction sites, no matter how small or subtle they are. source Spent $2.2 million on giant fans to protect the Great Barrier Reef from global warming. source Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. source Accidentally exposed the personal health records of millions of Australians, including whether they have had abortions or are on HIV medication. source Introduced a bill to permit businesses to discriminate based on customers’ sexual activity or gender. source Proposed selling biometric data of citizens to private corporations. source Proposed a law to introduce 2 year jail sentences for anyone who uses the Australian Coat of Arms without authorisation, including satirical websites who do not intend to deceive, and including when no harm comes from the unauthorised use. source Tried to reduce the number of tertiary courses eligible for Austudy report. source Proposed a law which would further destroy citizen’s right to freedom from arbitrary detention, by giving police the power to imprison people for 14 days without arrest. source Introduced a national facial recognition surveillance program, which will collate faces from CCTV cameras and other sources and share them with private companies, and claimed such a program “doesn’t involve surveillance” and will increase citizen’s privacy. source source Told tender applicants for a $90B ship-building project that they don’t need to spend any of that construction money in Australia. source Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. source Introduced new procurement rules which will cost telcos $184k per year in paperwork and compliance. source Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. source Spent $7000 in one month for wine for one minister, and fought against a Freedom of Information request into the spend. source Kicked 100 asylum seekers into the street, taking their income away with no notice, after preventing them from working. source Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation. source source Kept secret government data showing higher than expected emissions increases. source Illegally detained Australian citizens on Christmas Island because they failed character test. source Cut all funding for the 40 year old Haymarket health clinic for the homeless, resulting in its closure. source Lied about when they found out about the sale of Medicare data on the black market. source Claimed to have not suffered a cybersecurity breach after the systems storing sensitive Medicare information had their security breached, and that sensitive information was put up for sale on the black market. source Added politically weighted questions about coal to the citizenship test. source Paid companies to hire young people for entry level jobs at far less than the minimum wage. There is evidence that companies replace real jobs with these underpaid ones. One such company killed a person by not avoiding obvious and easily foreseeable risks. They were fined only $70k. source source source Chose not to appoint any climate scientists to the Climate Change Authority. source Tried to allow the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in coal. source source Blocked the construction of a wind farm because of the ‘visual impact’, even though 92% of locals wanted it. source Failed to comply with the mandatory ‘Top 4’ cyber security strategies, in multiple departments. source Loosened protections for indigenous land owner rights. source Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. source Lent $100M to a foreign company which does not operate in Australia, for construction of a coal mine which won’t employ any Australians or contribute to the Australian economy at all. This mine so bad for the environment that if it goes ahead, the world will not stay under 2 degrees of global warming. source Spent $12M per year on flights for NBN staff. source Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students. source source Introduced a new tax, of at least $7.10 per month per NBN fixed line user. source Cut the foreign aid budget again, this time by $300 million. source Voted against changes which would reduce the wait times for medicinal cannabis from months down to hours. It currently takes up to 19 months to get approval for 3 months worth of medication. source source Started drug testing welfare recipients without consulting legal, medical or drug experts. They simultaneously claim people will be selected randomly and also based on data driven profiling tools (i.e. not random). source source source Introduced a policy very similar to the First Home Buyer’s Account policy they scrapped a few years earlier, with the main difference being that it involves using Superannuation for something other than retirement savings. source Spent around $10k per person per year for a cashless welfare card trial, for welfare payments worth $14k per person per year. Almost half of the participants claimed the trial made their lives worse. source source Broke a promise to put in safeguards to prevent their data retention scheme from being abused. (Police illegally accessed the data within 2 weeks of retention commencing.) source source Cut university funding again, this time by 2.5%. source Approved the sale of weapons to a country accused of committing war crimes and killing 10,000 innocent civilians. source source Rejected advice from a taskforce it set up, which provided recommendations to reduce foreign visa abuse, and then claimed the 457 visa is too prone to abuse. source Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. source Claimed many ‘community leaders’ support the cashless welfare card, but refused to list such supporters when asked. source Claimed that using more wind power and less coal power will increase emissions. source Prohibited the Aboriginal Legal Service from giving evidence at a legal enquiry into the loosening of racial hate-speech laws. source Re-established the construction industry watchdog, which spent $100,000 investigating two mates for having a cup of tea on site. source Spent over $3,000 to send the minister for Immigration to a monarchist fundraiser. source Forced public servants to move from Canberra to Armidale, prior to establishing new office facilities. They now do their work in the local Macca’s. source Introduced NBN ‘Fibre to the curb’, which is almost identical to the ‘Fibre to the premise’ approach they criticised. source Introduced a bill which would allow the government to publicly release veteran’s personal information (such as medical records) without their consent. source Refused to release a report into the death of a person on the government’s Work for the Dole program. source Skipped the normal assessment process for large infrastructure projects when deciding to proceed with the WestConnex project. source Paid the first $500 million for the WestConnex project well before the funding was needed. source Voted against a motion to extend the privacy act to cover political parties. source Changed Newstart eligibility so that 22 to 24 year-olds get Youth Allowance instead, which is $90 less per fortnight. source Excluded offshore detention centres when ratifying the Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture. source Appointed a mining lobbyist as the PM’s climate change advisor. source Increased the number of IT contractors for the government, even though they cost $80,000 more per person per year than having actual IT staff. source Cut $180,000 from children’s dental care funding, and almost $300 million for adult dental care. source Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. source Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. source Fined welfare recipients for not attending ‘hygiene’ and tie-dying classes. source Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. source Changed public servant super laws to reduce the retirement payout of long-term teachers, police and nurses by tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. source Conducted an inquiry into housing affordability which gave no recommendations on how to help fix housing affordability. source Spent $26 million and laid off 93 scientists to move the location of the agricultural chemicals and veterinary medicines regulator. source Made an ‘action plan’ to deal with record level bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, which lacked any new actions or funding. source Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. source Indefinitely detained someone based on information obtained through torture. source Axed 900 jobs in the national flight control agency, despite concerns that losing so many staff will compromise safety. source Spent $83,000 on a baggage lift at The Lodge. source Flew 23 staff to the Australian embassy in Paris to discuss saving money. The government does not know how much the flights and accommodation cost. Others estimate it was $200,000. source Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. source Increased the cost of a Visa for bands touring to Australia by 600%. source Gave $4 billion in tax cuts to the richest fifth of the population. source Put the 000 call service out to tender, despite their own review saying not to. source Cut $68 million from the Bureau of Statistics’ funding. source Introduced a second internet filter. Internet consumers will be forced pay their telcos to block websites which foreign film companies dislike. The Liberals have accepted millions of dollars of donations from those foreign companies. source source Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. source Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration. source source Wasted over $98,000 by buying and then cancelling flights. source Proposed charging 9% interest on all debts owed to CenterLink. source Cut $50 million from dental healthcare funding. source Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. source Chose not to add HIV prevention medication PrEP to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, which would have brought down the cost of the proven medication from $1000 per month to $30 per month. source Handed out $9 million to a foreign coal mining company. source Spent over $200,000 sending Border Force staff to a luxury hotel which specialises in corporate team building through circus lessons and Segway tours. source Proposed a law which will allow Australians to be sentenced to life in prison, without being charged for a crime. source Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. source Spent over $100 million per year on military operations in Afghanistan, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Removed subsidies for blood sugar test strips. Now 600,000 diabetics will be forced to pay $60 per box instead of $1.20. source Decided that foreign born, adopted Australians can no longer use their Australian birth certificate as proof of Australian citizenship. source Had UNESCO censor a report on climate change to remove all mentions of Australia and the Great Barrier Reef. Large sections of the reef have already been bleached because of climate change. source Sacked 74 scientists in Antartica. source Locked up a dying New Zealander who wants to go to New Zealand. The man has had 20 heart attacks, and is close to death. He has finished serving a jail sentence, yet remains imprisoned. source Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. source Accidentally leaked the contact information of thousands of women in a confidential database. source Changed the operation of Australia’s rape and domestic violence hotline so that counsellors no longer need three years of experience and a tertiary qualification in psychology or social work, and so that victims must now disclose their abuse story to twice as many people before getting help. source Cut all funding for Australia’s only eating disorder helpline. source Claimed that refugees simultaneously are taking our jobs whilst also taking our welfare. source Cut $20 million from the National Library, resulting in 28 job losses and the halting of all document digitisation. source Provided no workers compensation for Australian staff injured in offshore detention centres. source Refused to publicly release a video of illegal whaling. source Claimed that Australia’s largest coal mine (which will export more coal than our entire nation consumes) will not contribute to climate change. source Proposed a government funded internship scheme where companies are paid lots of money to hire short term interns for $4 per hour with no award protections. source source Gave permission to a shipping company operating only in Australian waters to sack their Australian crew and hire foreigners for $2 an hour. source Proposed blocking students from going to university if their ATAR is too low, even if the course has spare spaces and is happy with their ATAR. source Proposed forcing students to pay back HECS earlier if they have parents or a long term partner with an income over a threshold. source Waited 22 hours before air-lifting a critically ill refugee to an adequately equipped hospital. He died the next day. source Rejected an offer from New Zealand to take 150 asylum seekers who are currently being illegally held in Australian detention centres. source Spent $300,000 on a single lunch, for business mates. source Cut $650 million in bulk billing incentives for pathology. source Spent $39 billion on new submarines, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Proposed new powers for job agencies so that they can fine unemployed people, without any oversight, and with minimal avenues for recourse. source source Offered an indigenous organisation half the pay rise offered to most other public sector organisations. The pay rise is below inflation, so amounts to a pay cut. source Proposed the abolition of the independent organisation that sets the minimum wage for truck drivers. source Cut all funding to Australia’s only youth-led sexual health organisation. source Ran out of money to pay Army Reserves. source Proposed using government funds allocated for climate change action to build a 1.2GW coal plant. source Lied about releasing all children from immigration detention. source Spent $3.3 million on another study into ‘wind turbine syndrome’, even though their own senate inquiries have shown there’s no such thing. The committee had all articles rejected by scientific papers, and provided no advice to the government in its first 2 years. source source Prohibited people who owe money to CenterLink from leaving the country, regardless of how small the debt is or how soon they will return. source Spent $45,000 replacing lost and stolen devices for just one department. source Reneged on their promise to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria, instead accepting 26. source Spent $55 million to resettle just two refugees in Cambodia. source Cut domestic violence leave for public servants. source Scrapped the “Safe Schools” anti-bullying program, on the National Day of Action Against Bullying. source Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. source Claimed that scrapping negative gearing would simultaneously increase and decrease house prices. source Spent $15.4 million on research into globally damaging an increasingly unprofitable fossil fuels. source Requested in inquiry into an anti-bullying program which focused on fostering tolerance for queer youth. source source Spent $1.3 million on CCTV surveillance for an impoverished indigenous community who are desperately in need of more funding for education, health, housing and welfare. source Cut funding for research missions by a world class marine science ship, instead renting out the ship to foreign fossil fuel companies looking for oil and gas in Australian waters. source Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. source Proposed new broad powers for the Attorney-General so that the government can demand that telcos do unspecified “things”, which could include filtering the internet, tracking everyone’s browsing history and more. source Attempted to exempt telcos and law enforcement agencies from laws requiring users to be notified if their personal information has been breached. source Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. source Cut the pension for 35,000 public service retirees. source Spent $1.3 million on medals for Border Force staff, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Increased the cost of pap smears. source Told myGov users to downgrade the security on their account when travelling overseas, which is when security risks are highest. source Refused to allow the family of a terminally ill man to temporarily enter Australia to see their son one last time before he died. source Paid Telstra $80 million to fix the copper network which Telstra sold to the government. source Proposed an exemption so that internet providers and some other companies are not required to inform customers when their data is stolen by malicious third parties. source Spent almost $6000 to fly a minister’s family to a coastal holiday. source Violated international law by illegally conducting war in Syria. source source Refused to give citizenship to eligible permanent residents, years after their refugee claims were accepted. source Spent $1770 on 3 bean bags. source Paid $1.5 billion for the East West Link far earlier than necessary, so that it would fall into Labor’s financial year, to make them look worse. source Started regularly strip searching innocent females on Nauru, with only male staff present. source Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned zoo visits for children in detention, deeming them “inappropriate”, and ruling that they must remain imprisoned instead. source Made refugees work with deadly friable asbestos without any training and almost no equipment. source Appointed a Windfarm Commissioner, who is paid $205,000 per year for the part-time job, who received only 2 valid complaints in its first year. source source source Refused to investigate, prosecute or do anything to a foreign company who built a large port and cut down large areas of forest home to endangered species, without environmental approval. source Introduced cashless welfare cards to reduce the autonomy and control that support recipients have over their spending. source Removed the requirements that crews on ships operating for months between Australian ports get paid Australian-level wages. source Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. source Spent $1.3 billion on replacements for Defence Force Land Rovers, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Funded ethnic cleansing and war crimes in PNG. source Tried to remove exclusion zones around abortion clinics which are designed to protect patients from harassment. source Voted against a motion which called for independent investigation of the bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan by the USA, which is a war crime. source Refused to give counselling to a pregnant woman prior to an abortion. The woman was raped whilst in our asylum seeker prisons. source Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. source Spent $18.5 million on a facial recognition program to log and spy on every Australian, store social media photos and potentially conduct live tracking of all citizens. source source Spent $80,000 on catering for a week long trip to Cape York and Torres Strait, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Forced an asylum seeker to pay for medicine to treat an injury they got when a government employee physically assaulted them. source Laughed and joked about the pacific islands whose very existence is threatened by climate change sea rises. source Scrapped the requirement that the board members of the National Disability Insurance Scheme have actual experience with disabilities (either personally, or through someone close). source Started advertising the jobs of the National Disability Insurance Scheme board without notifying the current board. source Lied about how many refugees we take. source Spent $21,000 of government money to fly a minister somewhere to give a speech about the need to stop wasteful government spending. source Cited ‘the boats have stopped’ as evidence that the economy is doing well. source Told an Australian company to sack their Australian employees and hire foreigners, in order to remain competitive under the government’s new shipping deregulation rules. source Spent $24,000 on koala hire for a G20 photo opportunity, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent over $100,000 on flags for the G20 summit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Broke an election promise to cut the company tax rate by 1.5%. source Broke an election promise to introduce a new paid parental scheme. source Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. source Broke an election promise to not change GST, by removing the exemption for online purchases. source Did not attempt to conduct privacy impact assessments for 90% of their terror bills. source Lifted a ban on the import of a particular shotgun which has a fast firing rate and seven shot magazine capacity. source Spent $24.6 million on an advertising campaign to spruik the benefits of a trade deal (whose content is secret), despite the alleged budget emergency. source Illegally gave approval to an environmentally damaging mine. They then criticised those who pointed out the crime, and tried to change the law so that environmentalists cannot take legal action against illegal mines. source Refused to offer treatment and support to an asylum seeker who was raped on Nauru. source Lied about banning certain muesli bars and other products on Manus Island which have ‘Freedom’ in the brand name. source Proposed a plan to prioritise the applications of refugees who pay the government large sums of money over less fortunate refugees. (a.k.a. a bribe.) source Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation. source source Spent $14.4 million to get support for outdated and insecure software, instead of using current versions. source Waited 3 months before giving medication to a toddler with tuberculosis (a potentially fatal illness). source Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. source Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. source Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. source Held innocent asylum seekers in the same facilities as convicted rapists and murderers. source Spent $90,000 to send The Speaker to Europe for a fortnight so that she could apply for a job. source Spent $5,000 on a helicopter so that Bronwyn Bishop wouldn’t have to travel 1 hour by car to get to a Liberal fundraising event. source Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. source Spent $500,000 on Australian flags in just 6 months, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) from investing in wind power and small scale solar power. source Banned telcos from seeing warrants for metadata access requests issued to chase down journalists sources, thereby undermining the purpose of the warrant system. source Removed the requirement for skills assessments of foreign electricians working under a Temporary Work visa. source source Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. source Spent $500,000 on flags in just 6 months. source Used classified ASIO documents as props during a photo shoot. source Broke an election promise by scrapping Medicare locals. source Denied asylum seekers the right to make Freedom of Information requests for information the government has about them. source Admitted that an innocent senator was spied on by government employees whilst performing her job. The government initially labelled the senator an “embarrassment to this country” because they said the claims were “complete nonsense”, despite knowing they were true. source source Incorrectly claimed that the Lindt Cafe gunman was linked with ISIS. source Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. source Illegally paid people smugglers money to turn boats around, in order to disrupt their business model. source source Cut $13 million from the Australia Council and Screen Australia. source Cut $105 million from the Australian Council for the Arts without bothering to consult anyone in the arts industry. source Introduced 2 year jail sentences for doctors who disclose government wrongdoing and the high rates of health problems in immigration jails, even if the disclosures are in the public interest. source Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. source Refused to offer any assistance to thousands of innocent refugees stranded offshore in our region. source source Proposed new powers to banish Australians suspected of terrorism, possessing a ‘thing’ related to terrorism, downloading a single file related to terrorism, vandalising commonwealth property or entering a ‘no-go zone’ country even for innocent purposes. Each guilty verdict would be made by a minister, not a court. The government does not have to prove the suspects are guilty. The new laws may contravene the 1961 United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. source source source source Cut funding for an anti-deaths in custody service, the creation of which was recommended by the 1991 Deaths in Custody Royal Commission. source Granted the Immigration Department and local councils the power to search through the stored metadata of all citizens (and they won’t need a warrant). source source Tried to pass off all responsibility for “matters of national environmental significance” to the states, who have weaker environmental protections. source Proposed ‘ag-gag’ laws, under which activists who expose illegal animal cruelty can be imprisoned if they take more than 48 hours to go to the police. source source Chose to leave the Minister’s Council on Asylum Seekers and Detention empty. source Asked the Nauru government to block access to Facebook. source Cut all funding for The Conversation, a website which allows academics to promote and explain their research to a broader audience. source Censored data revealing shockingly high rates of mental illness amongst immigration detainees. source Spent $200,000 per year on gardening at Kirribilli House. source Spent $700,000 to rebrand “NBN Co” to “nbn TM”. source Lied about the cost of the price on Carbon. source Scrapped the domestic violence education program in schools. source Failed to name the leader of ISIS on the day they sent 330 troops to a war against ISIS. source Spent $4 million for the ‘Australian Consensus Centre’, a climate denial center to be run by someone with no qualifications in science or economics. The government had already cut all funding for the Australian Climate Commission, citing a lack of funds. source source Withdrew from Australia’s commitment to limit global temperature rises to two degrees. source Granted immigration detention centre staff greater immunity against repercussions for inappropriate uses of force. They now have greater immunity than police officers. source Scrapped a public inquiry into law enforcement agencies access to journalists’ telecommunications data, for the purposes of identifying journalists’ sources. source Spent $6 million on a movie which is supposed to deter people from fleeing genocide, war crimes, torture and other persecution. No English dubs or subtitles are available. source source Prevented the release of a ‘name and shame’ list of multinational tax dodging corporations. source Closed the school inside the Nauru detention centre, so that the space can be converted into offices, a staff gym and a staff recreational area. source Prohibited detention centre workers from joining certain political parties, churches and protests even when not identifiable as employees. They can also be fired if an asylum seeker follows them on Twitter without their knowledge. source Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. source Proposed taxing all bank deposits. source source Scrapped the National Produce Monitoring System, which monitors domestic food for dangerous chemicals. source Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. source Tried to pass multiple bills to halve the backpay of intellectually disabled workers who earned only $1 per hour in wages. source Kicked 10 Save The Children workers off Nauru, despite the government having no evidence to support their allegations of sexual and physical assault by the workers against detainees. source Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. source Rejected the crowdfunded offer of free solar panels with free installation for Kirribilli House. source Stripped 8000 public servants of their rights against unfair dismissal. source Prosecuted a white hat hacker who exposed serious security vulnerabilities of some of the ISPs who store the sensitive data of all Australians under the government’s data retention policy. source Closed 150 remote Indigenous communities. source source Breached the international convention against torture. source Proposed scrapping the census. source Defended the use of the War Memorial to hold corporate events for foreign arms manufacturers. source Cut funding to Blind Citizens Australia, Deaf Australia and Down Syndrome Australia. source Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. source Exempted Gmail, Skype and Facebook from their data-retention scheme, thereby significantly reducing its effectiveness. They are exempted because they are not Australian. Hence, Australian email providers will be forced to pay for data retention servers, while competing with non-Australian companies who don’t. source Accused the Human Rights Commissioner of bias, because she published a report into children in detention, finding 233 incidents of assault against children, inside the government’s immigration camps. source Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. source Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. source Spent $17 million on a social media internet filter, allegedly to stop terrorist propaganda. The government believes that peaceful environmental protestors can be “terrorists”. source source Claimed “good government starts today”, after 18 months of governing. source Referred journalists to the police after they reported on immigration matters, including the illegal breaches of Indonesia’s borders. source Lied about the use of weapons by peaceful protesters on Manus Island, when their camp was flooded with armed guards in riot gear. source Chose not to do any modelling whatsoever to determine whether the Emissions Reduction Fund will reduce emissions by the amount they claim it will. source Spent over $80,000 on kitchen appliances. source Knighted Prince Phillip, a non-Australian who asked Indigenous leaders “Do you still throw spears at each other?”. source Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. source Applied to withdraw from a UN convention to protect migratory sharks, 2 months after agreeing to the convention. source Awarded a $6.3 million contract for armored cars for politicians to a foreign company, even though the company did not bid for the tender and an Australian company did. source Criminalised some discussions about cryptography by crytographic academics. source source source Spent more money per student on homeopathy, flower essence therapy and naturopathy tertiary courses than law, economics, languages and humanities. source Proposed the loosening of 457 work visas, allowing foreigners to work in Australia for 12 months, without passing English tests, without the need to look for local workers first. source Spent $88,000 on yoga workshops to improve the emotional intelligence of Immigration Department workers. source Used veto powers to block a UN resolution calling to the end of Israel’s occupation of Palestine. source Spent over $15 million on an advertisement campaign to make university fee deregulation more palatable. source Violated the principle of non-refoulement again, by sending a refugee back to Afghanistan, where he was subsequently tortured for trying to escape. source Scrapped a plan to make coursework masters students eligible for income support. source Cut $44 million over 4 years from the Skills for Education and Employment program which helps jobseekers improve their reading, writing and maths. source Cut $66 million over 3 years from a program which supplements the income of adult apprentices earning less than minimum wage. source Introduced a $900 NBN fee for all new houses. source Cut all funding of homelessness and community housing programs, except the ones they are legally required to fund. source Refused to give visas to refugees who were found to have a well founded fear of persecution, came by plane, passed health checks and passed security checks. source source Appointed a climate change denier as parliamentary secretary to the minister of the environment. source Appointed who said he has “no interest in defence issues” as Minister for Defence. source Cut foreign aid a third time, this time by $3.7 billion. source Spent $120,000 monitoring the media for mentions of the Immigration Department. source Legislated to override all non-refoulement obligations. The government can now send refugees back to countries even if they know for certain that the refugees will be tortured or killed upon return. source Withdrew from the UN Refugee Convention. source Gave millions of dollars to subsidise the training of priests and other religious workers, using the money cut from public, secular universities. source Forced indigenous welfare recipients to work for full time, for 52 weeks a year, to get $5 per hour. source Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. source Claimed that virtual private networks (VPNs) would be exempt from their internet filter, then voted against an amendment to exempt VPNs from their internet filter. source Introduced an internet filter. Consumers and rights groups will not be able to contest blockages. The filter will cost customers $130,000 per year. Village Roadshow Studios donate over $300,000 to the Liberals each year, as do many other studios. source source source source source Gave the Immigration Minister the power to deny or revoke citizenship because someone has a mental illness. source Refused to grant asylum to anyone waiting in refugee camps in Indonesia. source Started another senate inquiry into wind farms, to look at the effect of wind power on power bills, even though the government’s own reviews have already shown that wind power reduces power bills. source source Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. source Gave permission to Chinese companies to sue the Australian government if it implements laws which reduce the corporation’s profits. Australian companies can’t even do the same to the Chinese government. The actual text of the legislation is being kept secret. source Perpetuated the lie of ‘Terra Nullius’. source Chose to not investigate claims of torture and rape by staff in the Manus Island detention centre, because the accused corporation investigated the claims themselves and concluded that they were not guilty. The investigation was done completely internally by Transfield, without any involvement with the Immigration Department. source Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. source Tried to remove the requirement that telecommunications companies disclose how many times they voluntarily handed customer’s data to law enforcement agencies without a warrant. source Bribed murder witnesses with the offer of the rights that they are currently being denied, to make them withdraw their statements about the death of someone who was murdered by the government’s contractors. source Disobeyed Commonwealth value-for-money rules by forcing the Australian Tax Office to spend millions on new offices without making a business case for it or doing a cost benefit analysis. source Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. source Refused to fulfill a senate order to explain the reasons behind a ban on accepting any refugees from Ebola infected countries. No such ban exists for normal immigrants. source Tried to remove the requirement that all free to air TV stations have captions from 6am to midnight. source Illegally refused to grant permanent visas to people found to be genuine refugees, despite their own department and the United Nations Human Rights Council telling them it is illegal. source Appointed 2 Liberal mates to the Migration Review Tribunal even though they were not shortlisted by the selection committee. source source Chose not to tell asylum seekers that sensitive information about their asylum claims, mental health problems and more was stolen again. The data was left on a hard-drive without password protection, outside of the lockable store-rooms. source Reduced the number of charities and aid organisations allowed into the G20 summit from 75 to 3. source Reduced leave allowances for defence force personnel and reduced wage increases to below the inflation rate, just a few days after declaring war. source Introduced laws to allow ASIO to secretly detain people without charge, without any contact to the outside world, and allow them to conduct “coercive questioning” even when less extreme measures are available. Refusal to answer ASIO’s questions would be a crime punishable by imprisonment. source Gave ASIO the power to read, delete and modify anything and everything on the entire internet, with only one warrant. No one can sue them if they use that information or power illegally. If a journalist reports such abuse, they will be jailed for 10 years. source source source Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time). source source Refused to send the Prime Minister to a UN climate summit with 125 other heads of state, even though the Prime Minister was attending another UN summit in the same city the next day. source source Joined the Iraq war 3.0 by recklessly running in with guns blazing without a clear, public and testable objective, without a proposed timeline, without any explanation of why we won’t fail just like the last time and without debating the matter in parliament. The government is calling the war a “humanitarian mission”, even though they cut all foreign aid to Iraq just a few months prior. source source source Spent $12 million trying to convince Sri Lanka to accept 2 boatloads of asylum seekers. source Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. source Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. source Raised the terror threat level to “high”, despite receiving no specific intelligence since claiming that the threat level “has not changed”. source source Refused to give medical treatment to an asylum seeker with a cut on his foot, who later died because of an infection. source Rejected visa applications for unionists who wanted to attend a conference, because they didn’t have enough “personal wealth”. source Tried to introduce WorkChoices again. The changes will make it legal for employers to pay workers in pizza instead of money. Some workers will get less pay while taking annual leave. Employers will be able to veto industrial action. Unions will be stripped of their right to enter a workplace to discuss things will employees during unpaid breaks. Workers will no longer be paid extra for weekend work and overnight work. source source source Scrapped funding for the Red Cross asylum seeker support program. 500 jobs were lost. source Removed the requirement for ASIO to get a warrant before using tracking devices. source Legislated to permit ASIO operatives and associates to commit torture, and any other crime aside from murder, serious injury infliction, sexual assault and property damage. source source source source Legislated so that courts must accept illegally obtained evidence. source Privatised Australian Hearing. source source Increased intelligence agency funding by $630 million, and fought for the power to stop Australians from travelling to Middle Eastern countries, even though the risk of terrorism “has not changed” at the time. Australians who travel to those countries will be guilty until proven innocent. They will face up to 10 years of imprisonment. source source Scrapped the Countering Violent Extremists Program, which involved grants to community programs. source Censored doctors’ reports showing that 1/3 of all detainees suffer from mental illness, and that self harm amongst children is common. source source Axed the Schools Business Community Partnership Brokers program, which has saved thousands of students from dropping out of school. source Introduced Work-For-The-Dole despite their own data showing that such programs are the least effective way of helping people find jobs. source Cut the $16 per patient per day supplement for aged care providers. source Rewrote counterterrorism laws so that Australian tourists returning from Syria and Iraq will be guilty of terrorism until they prove they are innocent. source Broke an election promise by allowing the new multi-billion dollar batch of Navy submarines to be built overseas, despite high levels of unemployment amongst our manufacturing sector. source source Spent $330,000 renovating a single room which has never been used. Including $800 on a single door knob. The cost of leaving it unused but on standby comes to $100,000 per year. source Forced the unemployed to apply for 40 jobs per month. This will bombard businesses with over 1,000,000 applications per day. There’s currently about 1 job availability for every 10 unemployed people, so a lack of job applications is not the problem. source source Introduced mandatory metadata retention schemes for all internet providers. The government admits the changes are not necessary, and that there is no evidence to show that it will improve law enforcement. Warrants will not be required to access the data. The cost of implementing the schemes will come to about another $100 per customer per year. It will be used to punish illegal downloaders. source source source source source Finally admitted that “There’s no crisis at all in the Australian economy”, despite centering their election campaign on the alleged budget emergency. source Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years. source source source source Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. source Falsely claimed that nations around the world are scrapping emissions trading schemes, even though there is currently a net increase in adoption of such schemes. source Remained unapologetic about 10 mothers trying to commit suicide. The mothers hoped that their orphan children would be freed from torturous asylum seeker prisons and cared for. source Forcefully handed over 41 innocent asylum seekers to a genocidal government, despite being aware that many had already been tortured before fleeing. This violates international laws and our own domestic laws. source source Incorrectly explained the mechanics of their own Carbon Price repeal. source Committed maritime piracy by storming boats in international waters at gunpoint, kidnapping and then imprisoning innocent passengers. Maritime piracy constitutes crimes against humanity. source source Claimed pre-First Fleet Australia was “unsettled or, um, scarcely settled”, and called British colonisation a form of foreign investment. source source Cut $44 million from homelessness services. source Removed all mentions of climate change from their extreme weather website. source source Moved to strip environmental organisations from charity status. source source Refused to refer to East Jerusalem as “occupied”, even though the Israeli military has met the specific criteria which constitute the legal definition of occupation, and even though Israel’s own highest court ruled that the region is occupied, and even though the Israelis have built a wall twice as tall as the Berlin Wall to separate the region from the rest of Palestine. source Introduced legislation to allow the government to send asylum seekers back to the country they fled from, even if there is up to a 49% chance that they will be killed or tortured upon return. This violates the principle of non-refoulement, which constitutes human rights abuse. source source source source Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. source Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied. source source Tried to remove the laws that require financial advisors to act in the best interest of their clients, and the requirement that they provide clients with a statement of the fees they’ll be charged each year. source source Refused to let Leo Seemanpillai’s parents come to Australia temporarily for his funeral. He burned himself to death because the Australian Government wanted to send him back to proven genocide in Sri Lanka. His parents have been living in a refugee camp for 2 decades. 2 other people tried to commit suicide the same way within a month of Leo’s death, to avoid being sent back to Sri Lanka. source source source Scrapped the annual $5 million grant to the Red Cross. source Defended the $4.8 million salary of the head of Australia Post, immediately after he cut 900 postal worker jobs to save money. source Lied by claiming asylum claims were being processed in the lead up to the Manus Island riots. source Cancelled meetings with the head of the International Monetary Fund and the president of the World Bank because Mr. Abbott would be told that the government’s support for fossil fuels will heavily damage our economy in the long run. source Failed to model the impact on hospital emergency room waiting times due to the proposed GP fee. source Cut a further $600 million from Indigenous programs, in addition to the $534 million cuts in the 2014 budget. source source Claimed that removing the upper limit on university fees will cause fees to decrease. source Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. source Blamed everyone but themselves for the murder of an innocent person during the Manus Island riots. Contractors, locals and even the victims were blamed. The report identified at least one of the murderers, but he has not been charged with murder. source source Slashed $560,000 from the Refugee Council of Australia. source source Supported Japan’s moves to remove the pacifist parts of their constitution, claiming that the creation of an offensive Japanese military force will help regional stability and peace. (Japan only has a self defence force.) source Offered money to Manus Island detainees if they voluntarily returned to the war crimes, genocide, torture and persecution that they originally fled from. When in opposition the government opposed these same payments. source source Refused to comment about American drone strikes which killed 2 Australians. source Funded PNG’s defence against a legal challenge to the Manus Island detention centre. source Redirected $4 million from the Child Sex Abuse Royal Commission to the Home Insulation Inquiry. source Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) source Tried to scrap the Asbestos Safety and Eradication Agency. source Confiscated medication from asylum seeker detainees. A 3 year old consequently suffered repeated seizures. source source source Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. source Tried to introduce a $7 fee for each time you go to see a GP. They claimed $7 is simultaneously large enough to act as a deterrent (thereby saving money), and small enough that it won’t deter poor, sick people from getting help. source source source Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. source Lied about the presence of a full time psychiatrist on Manus Island. source Cut over $900 million from local council funding. source Scrapped tax breaks for people with a dependent spouse. source Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. source Scrapped The Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership. source Cut $170 million from the Research Training Scheme, which supported research students. source source Spent $12 million to investigate whether to sell off a department for $6 billion, when it makes $0.538 billion per year. source Cut $15 million from Charles Sturt University’s dental health program and oral clinic. source Cut $2.5 billion from aged care programs, such as Meals On Wheels. source Removed financial rewards which encouraged Universities to enroll disadvantaged students. source Scrapped the National Rental Affordability Scheme. source Cut Sunday penalty rates for casual restaurant workers. source Cut $16 million from ANSTO, Australia’s only nuclear research facility, and our only source of medical isotopes. source Slashed $1.1 million used to fight against animal abuse. source Made $110 million of broad-sweeping cuts to the Arts. The only organisation to receive more funding ($1 million more) is coincidentally chaired by the daughter of Rupert Murdoch. source source Cut $28.2 million from the Australia Council, which provides grants for the arts. source Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. source Scrapped the National Water Commission. source Scrapped the National Preventive Health Agency’s $2.9 million National Tobacco Campaign. source Broke an election promise to have over one million roofs with solar panels. source source Broke an election promise by cutting billions from school funding and committing to even less of the Gonski reforms than they did at the election. source source source source Scrapped a program to encourage graduates to take up work in places of need. source Cut $1.3 billion from seniors concessions funding. source Scrapped the Community Food Safety campaign. source Cut $2.3 million from contributions to the World Health Organization. source Scrapped a program which encouraged Australian video game development. source Tried to deregulate university fees, thereby allowing Universities to charge what they want. Students would end up with American levels of crippling debt. Many of the politicians behind this policy received their degrees for free. Average student debt is expected to rise to $100,000, even though Abbott himself said “it is irresponsible to saddle Australians with $25,000 of debt”. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source source source Scrapped the Women’s leadership program. source Broke an election promise by cutting well over $15 billion per year from health funding. source source source source Scrapped the Australian Organ and Tissue Donation and Transplantation Authority, which has helped increase organ donation rates. source Tightened eligibility and lowered indexation for support for injured Veterans. source source Scrapped the Commonwealth Human Rights Education Program. source Scrapped the Education Department’s Online Diagnostic Tools Program, which helped improve teachers’ productivity. source Cut $4.4 million from job interview workshop programs. source Scrapped the Office of Water Science research program. source Reduced the Medicare optometry rebate. source Spent $480 million merging the Department of Immigration and Customs into Border Force, which won’t have to follow public service or Defence Force laws and protocols of conduct. source source Simultaneously increased the cost of petrol and cut funding for public transport. The government argued that disadvantaged people can’t afford cars anyway, so they won’t be hurt by the changes. source source source Scrapped Youth Connections, a program which helped disengaged youth reconnect with work and education. source Removed family tax benefits for children older than 6, and drastically reduced the income threshold for its eligibility and froze it below interest rates. source source Cut $845.6 million from programs which fund innovative start-ups. source Stopped giving under 25s Newstart. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this will violate our human rights obligations. source source source Spent $218 million upgrading Christmas Island’s asylum seeker operations, so that we can whisk off vulnerable people out of side quicker before we start abusing them. source Halved the $2.55 billion emissions reduction fund. source Cut $2 billion from Australian Renewable Energy Agency, Landcare and other environmental agencies. source Cut over half a billion from Indigenous spending. source Cut 16,500 public service jobs, despite promising to create one million new jobs. source Cut the Exotic Diseases program. source Ended the Get Reading! program. source Scrapped the Centre for Quality Teaching. source Cut $111 million from the CSIRO. source source source Cut $120 million from ethanol and biofuel programs. source source Cut all funding to NICTA, a peak ICT technology research company. Coincidentally, NICTA publicly criticised the Coalition’s NBN only a few weeks earlier, claiming fibre-to-node is an inferior option. source source Cut welfare for young people, so they have to survive on $0 per week for 6 months, before being put on a welfare scheme which is below the poverty line anyway. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this breaches our human rights obligations. source source source source source Set aside $245 million for religious chaplains in schools. Secular schools were stripped of the option of hiring a secular equivalent. No guarantees have been made about preventing heterosexist teachings that will make queer students feel sinful and ashamed. (Queer students are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.) Hundreds of secular social workers will lose their jobs. source source source source Scrapped the First Home Buyer’s Account scheme, which provided sorely needed assistance for young people to buy homes. source Broke an election promise by tightening disability pension eligibility and financially penalising anyone who spends at least 4 weeks overseas. source source source Broke an election promise by changing age pension indexation, and eligibility age, and the threshold. source source source Abolished the position of disability commissioner, then created the position of wind farm commissioner. source source Cut all funding to the government’s only dedicated disability website. source source Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC. source source source Cut foreign aid, again. This time by $7.6 billion. source Started charging interest on HECS. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source Reduced the income threshold where graduates start to pay back HECS. source source Cut $138 million from the Australian Federal Police, resulting in 335 job losses. source Scrapped a loan scheme which helped apprentices buy the tools they need to learn and work. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after an unexploded wartime shell was found inside the compound. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after it was leaked that some guards physically and verbally assault children regularly. source Failed to provide adequate medical treatment to asylum seekers on Manus Island who were shot and bashed by locals that invaded the camp and rioted. source source Went $1 million (67%) over budget on the Commision of Audit, an investigation into how taxpayer money can be spent more prudently. source Cut $15 million from Flinders Hospital, then spent $10 million upgrading the field for the Manly Rugby League team. source Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC). source source source Described wind farms as “utterly offensive” and “a blight on the landscape”. source Spent $20 million on an international campaign to discourage people from fleeing war crimes, genocide and other persecution. source Broke an election promise by proposing a deficit tax. source Chose not to debrief any Manus Island detention centre staff after the riots by PNG locals which resulted in the death of one asylum seeker and the hospitalisation of dozens more. source Paid people $1500 per person per day to recommend spending cuts. source Deliberately ignored desperate and repeated pleas by security personnel on Manus Island and the commander of Operation Sovereign Borders requesting stronger fencing, CCTV cameras and better lighting. These requests were made months before locals broke down the fences, shot, stabbed and bashed detainees, none of which was caught on CCTV footage. source Tried to abolish the independent national charity regulation body, which would mean the government would regulate charities, possibly resulting in less impartial regulation. For example, environmental groups stripped of charity status because they oppose government policies. source Removed climate change from the agenda of the 2014 international G20 summit. source Spent about $2 million for Prince William and Kate’s 14 day royal visit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source source Spent $3 billion on new drones to patrol our borders, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent $7.5 million on life boats to send back asylum seekers in. Allegedly the motivation behind the government’s asylum seeker policy is to stop people drowning when travelling from neighbouring countries to Australia in unsafe vessels. Despite this, much of the safety equipment was removed from the boats before sending asylum seekers back into the ocean. source source Prevented internet supplier TPG from installing fibre all the way to customers. The arbitrary bureaucratic hurdles have increased the cost of fibre to premise by 15%. source source Broke an election promise by no longer guaranteeing NBN speeds higher than what ADSL can provide. source Retroactively introduced legislation to classify someone born in Australia as an “unauthorised maritime arrival” because their parents haven’t had their asylum claims processed yet. source source Scrapped a body which provides advice on over $1 billion in tax breaks that are designed to encourage Research and Development, despite promising during the election to improve incentives for Research and Development investment. source Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. source Cut over 300 jobs (about 1 in 3) in the Treasury department. source Cut 400 jobs in the Department of Industry. source Removed anti-sweatshop laws and cut all funding to Ethical Clothing Australia. source Closed all Medicare offices on Saturdays. source Ceased legal assistance for people exercising their right to make a claim for asylum. source Cut 250 jobs from the Federal Environment Department. source source Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. source Increased the eligibility age for the pension. source Claimed that the average electricity bill will be $200 per year lower without the price on carbon, despite relevant power companies rejecting the magnitude of this figure. source Implemented a policy which dictates that public servants should be sacked if they criticise the government in social media, even if their profile does not mention the their employment, and even if the profile is completely anonymous. source source source Chose not to give 300 children almost any schooling during 9 months of detention. source source Threatened staff against speaking out about the mismanagement of the Manus Island detention centre and the attacks against it’s inmates by locals and staff. source Detained people in conditions so inhumane and horrid that three pregnant women asked for abortions, to stop their children suffering in detention indefinitely. The Government has refused to comment. source source Chose not to process any claims for asylum from people detained on Manus Island. source Claimed that all social media is anonymous. source Chose to keep secret the interim report into the riots inside the Manus Island detention centre. source source Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. source Claimed the government will be $13.7 billion better off if the Mining Tax is scrapped, even though the scrapping the tax itself would actually result in a net loss If $3.7 billion. The only savings would be through other cuts hidden in the repeal bill. The biggest of which is the Schoolkids Bonus (an initiative which was never associated with the Mining Tax). The government claims the average household will be better off, but the average household will be $3500 worse off due to repealed subsidies and tax breaks. source source Interfered with the judicial process by transferring asylum seekers to a remote detention centre the day before they started a court case against the Australian Government. The case was about how the government endangered them and their families by accidentally publishing personal details about their asylum claims online. source source Spent more money on detention centres than it would cost to house asylum seekers in Sydney’s most expensive 5 star hotels (per asylum seeker per day). source Started charging people who put in bankruptcy applications, and increased the levy on money earned post-bankruptcy. source Broke international laws by arbitrarily imprisoning children. source Scrapped a program to give asylum seekers free advice on how to navigate Australia’s immigration bureaucracy when exercising their right to seek asylum. The justification for this scrapping was based on the false claim that asylum seekers are illegal. source source source source Tried to reintroduce temporary protection visas. source source Ignored an order from the United Nations Human Rights Committee to release some asylum seekers who are being illegally held without proof or judicial protection, in cruel, inhumane or degrading circumstance. source Reintroduced the British system of knights and dames, only 3 months after saying they would not do so. source Spent $211,000 on public relations staff to make the Medibank Private sale more palatable to the public. source Sold Medibank Private for $4 billion, even though that means the government will lose up to $0.5 billion per year of income from dividends. source source Claimed that all Australians have the “right to be a bigot”. source Refused to grant a human rights lawyer access to the Manus Island detention centre. source Backed PNG’s decision to cancel a human rights inquiry into the Manus Island detention centre. source Issued Manus island detention centre guards with knives designed for noose cutting, because they frequently need to cut down people who try to hang themselves thanks to of the horrid conditions. source source Tried to exempt loggers in Tasmania’s World Heritage forests from the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act, so they won’t have to worry about killing threatened species. source Claimed that the majority of asylum seekers on Manus island won’t be given refugee status, even though more than 90% of all asylum seekers who’ve come to Australia since mid 2009 were eventually found to be genuine refugees, fleeing torture, rape, genocide and persecution. source source Vowed to revive a part of WorkChoices which means construction Industry Enterprise Bargaining Agreements don’t apply to subcontractors doing Commonwealth work. source Refused to support a UN proposal to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. If such crimes been committed, the Abbott government will be guilty of crimes against humanity for forcefully sending refugees back to Sri Lanka, and for actively helping the Sri Lankan military stop people from fleeing their rape, torture and genocide. A Sri Lankan Tribunal has already proven that the Sri Lankan government is guilty of genocide. source source source source source Failed to provide running water to some toilets in the detention centre on Manus Island. source Spent $25 million extending the contracts of the crew on one ship so they could be part of Operation Sovereign Borders. source Provided no soap in the Manus Island detention centre and regularly gave asylum seekers worm infested food. source Proposed amendments to the Racial Discrimination Act so that people who “offend” or “insult” someone because of their “race, colour or national or ethnic origin” will not be legally required to pay compensation. source source Gave $100 million to Australia’s 2 most profitable mining companies, to build a mine which isn’t even in Australia, despite claiming “the age of entitlement is over”, and despite refusing to give corporate welfare to struggling companies who have to sack hundreds of workers. source source source Prevented journalists from interviewing asylum seekers injured in the Manus Island riots. source Lied thrice in one BBC interview by claiming that the Abbott government is considering settling asylum seekers in Australia, and claiming that children in detention go to school, and claiming that asylum seekers on Manus Island are having their claims processed. None of these claims are true. source Cut all welfare ($260,000) for orphans of defence force casualties. source source source Gave state governments an ultimatum: sell off government assets before a certain deadline, (regardless of whether the people or the state government want to) or miss out on billions of dollars of funding. The states would not be allowed to use the money from the sales to pay off debt. Reluctant states were told they could still access federal funds through environmental programs that the Federal Government is trying to scrap. source source source source Justified the logging of forests currently on the world heritage list because Christianity supposedly tells us “the environment is meant for man”. source Ripped $140 billion out of Australians’ superannuation accounts through loosening of consumer protection rules regarding financial planning. source Deported the mother of a 4 year old Australian citizen, thereby separating the child permanently from her only remaining guardian. source Stopped collecting data on gender equality in the workplace. source Threatened to block government funding from arts groups who refuse sponsorship from corporations the artists deem unethical. source Lied to the United Nations about the quality of the Tasmanian forests they want removed from the world heritage list. source Claimed no Sri Lankan asylum seekers have been sent back into danger, despite being in possession of documents which prove at least one asylum seeker was tortured after being forcefully sent back. A Sri Lankan tribunal recently proved that the Sri Lankan government was guilty of genocide. The United Nations Human Rights Commission is currently investigating war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. source source source Suggested most existing major roads should introduce tolls. source Spent $24 billion on new, buggy, spontaneously combusting fighter jets, already years behind schedule, which aren’t going to be built in Australia. The jets can’t run off warm fuel from a truck which has been sitting in the sun (since the fuel tank is used as a heat sink). The software for firing the guns won’t be ready until 3 years after deployment. The software has not passed a security audit. Each plane holds less than 3 seconds of ammunition for the guns. source source source source source source Failed to supply enough food to asylum seekers inside the detention centre on Manus Island. source Secretly defeated an international nuclear disarmament treaty, arguing against a sentence in the treaty which stated that it is in the interests of humanity that nuclear weapons never be used again “under any circumstances”. Australia argued that a disarmament treaty would be less effective at reducing proliferation than having no disarmament treaty. source Kept secret the taxpayer funded 900 page Audit commission report which recommended tightening eligibility for seniors health cards. source Tried to scrap the price on carbon, even though the emissions of relevant companies have dropped by 7% due to the price. source Declined an offer from the Uniting Church to care for unaccompanied refugee children currently in detention centres. The church offered to feed house and clothe them free of charge. source Ridiculed the notion that the minister for women should identify as a feminist. source Started 5 audits of the NBN within the first 7 months of being in power. source Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. source Claimed that loggers are “the ultimate conservationists” during a speech about why the government will not create more national parks. In the same speech Abbott lamented that we have “too much locked up forest”. There are currently over 1000 innocent children locked up in detention centres, presumably this is not “too much”. source source Blamed Qantas job losses on the carbon tax, even though a Qantas spokesman said “Qantas’ current issues are not related to carbon pricing”. source Finally admitted that “Operation Sovereign Borders” is a civilian operation not a military one. source Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. source Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. source Spent over $8 million each year on salaries alone for 95 media staff for the department of Immigration, despite the fact that the department tells the media almost nothing. Those same staff spent over $9,000 in just 2 months monitoring the media for transcripts of their own minister’s press conferences. source source Proposed a “green army” comprised of young people paid less than half of minimum wage without normal workplace protections. source source Cut $3 million in funding for a program to save an endangered rhino species of which there are only 100 left. source Referred to our humanitarian immigration program as “Operation Sovereign Murders”. source Defended spending $3.5 million on a tent kitchen on Manus Island. source Sent asylum seekers back to Indonesia, 3 of which later died trying to cross a river in the jungle they landed next to. source Defended the Manus Island scheme during a press conference about the man who was shot dead in our detention centres by claiming the government is “ending the deaths” of asylum seekers. More refugees have died on Manus island than have been settled. source source Chose not to send any representatives to the Partnership for Market Readiness assembly, a conference which Australia helped fund which is about market mechanisms to curb emissions. source Appointed someone to head the investigation into the Manus Island riots who claimed that rape victims in Manus Island detention centres receive better treatment than Australians. source Planned a doubling of the defence force’s annual budget, increasing it by $24 billion, despite the supposed budget emergency and after the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. source source source source source Defied legislation by not appointing the Climate Change Authority to run the investigation into the Renewable Energy Target. source Blamed electricity price rises on the renewable energy target, despite their own modelling predicting that is will reduce electricity prices in the long term, and Energy Australia stating that it has suppressed prices since it was created. source source source Forced Manus Island staffers to lie to detainees. source Placed an ex-officer of the Sri Lanka army in charge of the Manus Island detention centre, which holds people fleeing the Sri Lanka army’s war crimes and genocide. source source Spent $13.3 million on floating hotels for detention centre staff on Manus island. source Admitted the information given about the Manus detention centre riots was drastically wrong. source source Convinced Cambodia (one of the poorest countries in our region) to take in some of the refugees currently in our detention centres. Serious human rights abuse continue to be committed regularly under the Cambodian government and military. source source source source source Purchased 8 new Poseidon aircraft totalling $4 billion despite the “budget emergency”. source source Guarded the body of a dead asylum seeker using guards who were possibly the ones that shot him. Those same guards confiscated a camera from a journalist on site then deleted all his photos. source Blamed the Carbon Tax for job losses at Alcoa’s aluminium smelter, despite Alcoa being 94.5% exempt from the tax, and despite Alcoa explicitly stating that “the carbon tax was not a factor in the decision”. source Accidentally published personal details about almost 10,000 asylum seekers and their claims. Regardless of whether the original asylum claims were genuine, if those asylum seekers are returned to their country of origin, they and their family may be imprisoned, tortured or killed because governments and militias in their country of origin will know they sought asylum. After discovering the blunder, the government took 13 days to remove the information from public view. As part of a press release about the accidental leak the government made public further information about where to find the still life threatening document. source source source source source source Eventually admitted that Navy ships “inadvertently” crossed into Indonesian waters despite using high tech GPS navigation, then they made the exact same mistake again 5 times. The government chose to not even interview any crew members of one such ship when writing a report on the matter. source source source Removed poverty reduction from the goals of the foreign affairs department, which manages foreign aid. source Paid their own indigenous employees substantially less than non-indigenous co-workers despite promising to help “close the gap”. source Deleted negative comments on the Department of Immigration’s Facebook page, but left objectively false comments, such as claims that asylum seeking is illegal. source source Denied responsibility after Manus Island detention centre guards let in a mob of locals, resulting in an asylum seeker being shot and dozens more injured. Injuries included slit throats, machete wounds and eyes hanging from sockets. source source source source source Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole. source source Annoyed the Navy by having the immigration minister tour naval bases like a defence minister would. source Promised to continue with their NBN plan even if a cost-benefit analysis (which is yet to be done) shows it does not give a worthwhile return on investment. source Chose a climate change denier to lead a review of the renewable energy target. source Denied any link between droughts and climate change. source Spent $4.3 million on market research to gauge public opinion on social media and other outlets about government policies. source source Proposed greater government control over the internet, including the power to order ISPs to block specific sites. source source Granted the Environment Minister retrospective legal immunity against court challenges alleging he failed to consider expert environmental advice before approving damaging mining projects. i.e. They are undermining the Rule of Law and legislating to allow the Environment Minister to literally ignore the environment. source Exempted Western Australia from federal laws protecting endangered species to allow a shark cull, despite evidence culls do not reduce the frequency of attacks on humans. source Spread propaganda to potential asylum seekers which deliberately make Australia look like a villainous, incompassionate country. The propaganda completely ignores the violence, torture, rape and persecution that causes people to seek asylum. source Disbanded an asylum seeker health panel of 12 experts from a range of fields, replacing it with one military surgeon. The government has refused to comment on the matter. source Alleged that Edward Snowden endangered lives and claimed that Australia does not need any surveillance reform. source source Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. source Cut 500 jobs from the Australian Tax Office. source Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. source Lied about NSW signing on with their independent schools deal. source Proposed the conversion of one quarter of public schools to independent schools. source Claimed “the age of entitlement is over” whilst continuing to give mining companies billions of dollars of subsidies and tax concessions. source source source source source Lied about the working conditions at SPC factories to justify declining financial assistance. source Arbitrarily denied many asylum seekers the right to a lawyer during the interviews where they make their asylum claim. source Withheld asylum seeker arrival numbers to avoid being a “shipping news service for people smugglers”, despite literally advertising those same numbers on a billboard while in opposition. source source source Dismissed out of hand serious allegations that Navy personnel assaulted asylum seekers, based on the supposed moral perfection of those personnel. A recent investigation proved that some of those personnel had sexually assaulted other crew by inserting objects up their arses. The Defence Force and the Immigration Department didn’t even bother interviewing the asylum seekers who made the claims. source source source Embarrassed Australia on the world stage by oversimplifying the Syrian conflict as “goodies vs baddies”. source Appointed yet another straight, white cisgendered male as Governor General. source Called Edward Snowden a traitor. source Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. source Accepted a claim for asylum not because of the merit of the claim but because Cricket Australia wanted the man in their team. source Violated international convention by criticising Labor on the Global stage. source Stole crucial evidence from an Australian lawyer representing East Timor in an international tribunal against Australia relating to our illegal spying on East Timor’s oil deal. source Shut down the 113 year old Australian Valuation Office, thereby making 200 jobs disappear. source Provoked Indonesia so much that they put their air force on standby at the border. source Crossed into Indonesian waters without authorisation again, then abandoned a boat without enough fuel to get to shore, forcing asylum seekers to swim for an hour to get to shore. source Defeated moves to cease the recital of the (Christian) Lord’s prayer at the start of each sitting day of (secular) federal parliament. source Cut all funding from all international environmental programs. source Closed mainland detention centres and moves detainees offshore, citing budget savings as the motivation, even though offshore processing costing almost twice as much as onshore processing. source source source Authorised the Navy to fire over the bows of asylum seeker boats. source Refused to comment on 4 attempted suicides, hunger strikes and many self harm attempts happening simultaneously in detention centres. source Exempted Navy personnel of workplace safety obligations to treat asylum seekers safely, and gave them legal immunity for criminal acts which are committed by order of the government. source Rewrote the school curriculum to make it more right wing. The previous curriculum was developed over many years with extensive consultation. The new curriculum is being written by two people. One thinks “abos” are “human rubbish tips”, called a sexual assault victim a “worthless slut”, and laments that Australia has too many “mussies” and “chinky-poos”. The other has questioned whether migrants and women are disadvantaged, and suggested homosexuality is “unnatural”. source source source Refused to respond to questions from the United Nations about boat tow-backs. source Likened our humanitarian immigration program to war. source Directed that asylum seeker families shall be given the lowest priority for processing, even those who’ve lived in Australia for years. source Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. source Endangered lives, committed maritime piracy and broke other international laws by turning around a boat whose passengers have the right to seek asylum in Australia. The government refused to comment on the matter. Lives were endangered as a result of this move, because the boat ran out of fuel and became stranded. source source source Tried to deport a gay refugee to Pakistan, where he would be imprisoned for life for his sexuality. In doing so the government would have committed human rights abuse by violating the principle of non-refoulement. The man has never lived in Pakistan. source source Threatened to withhold food from families if children don’t stand still for 6 hours per day queuing for food. The food is sometimes served with hands not utensils. source Forced women to queue for a whole day just to get a tampon or pad, only to queue again when they need a fresh one, because they are a fire hazard. The government refused to comment. source Scrapped the Building Multicultural Communities Program. 400 community organizations will now miss out on the promised funding they have already budgeted for. source Cut all funding to Jewish Holocaust Centre ($7,700). source Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. source Quietly reduced instant asset write-off tax breaks for small businesses despite championing themselves as pro-small-business. source Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. source Scrapped the National Intercountry Adoption Advisory Group then 2 months later created the interdepartmental working group on overseas adoption, a body which serves an identical purpose. source Stopped weekly press conferences on asylum seekers. Declined further comment on the matter. source Approved a 6.2% increase in health insurance premiums. source Deliberately omitted 23 questions asked of the immigration minister in a press conference. They have refused to comment further on why those questions were omitted. source Refused requests for medical treatment from a pregnant women in detention who subsequently had a miscarriage. She probably would have had a normal birth had she received the treatment she asked for. The government declined to comment further. source Broke an election promise to send a boat to monitor whaling by instead promising to only send an aircraft. The government subsequently broke that second promise too, allowing whalers to kill endangered whales without any Australian monitoring. source source Broke an election promise by renaming the NDIS, making it “DisablityCare” and renaming the “launch” a “trial”, thereby casting doubt on whether they will even commit to the scheme fully. source Scrapped the AusAid graduate program, requiring the sacking of the newest batch of graduates. source Axed the position of coordinator-general for remote indigenous services. source Approved the construction of gargantuan coal mines in the Galilee Basin, including one in the habitat of an endangered species. If all projects go ahead the emissions released from that coal annually will amount to 130% of what our entire nation currently emits annually. source source source Appointed Tim Wilson as human rights commissioner. He has personally advocated for the abolition of the human rights commission, and his new 6 figure salary is so large that the commission will have to cut education and anti-bullying programs to fund it. source Scrapped the Biodiversity fund. source Cut funding for the National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples, a body of elected representatives of the indigenous people. source Handed $16 million to Cadbury, but refused to give subsidies to Holden, Qantas and SPC Ardmona. Cadbury is owned by a multinational firm whose profits rose by 64% to $74.9 million last year. Coincidentally the Cadbury factory is located in a marginal electorate. source source source Axed the home energy saver scheme, which successfully helped struggling households cut down high electricity bills. source Dismantled the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, the Low Carbon Communities Program and the Caring for our Country Program. source Cut $43.1 Million in legal aid funding, including Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander legal services, community legal services, the UNSW Indigenous Legal Centre and the Family Violence Prevention Legal Services. source source source Cut funding for the Energy Efficiency Program (which was compulsory for large electricity consumers). source Slashed all funding (over $10 million) from the Environmental Defender’s Offices. source Broke an election promise by cutting $150 million from NSW hospitals. source source Axed a scheme to improve the wages of aged care workers. source Scrapped the Wage Connect Program (a scheme which encouraged employers to hire long-term unemployed people). source Broke an election promise for a 25MBi/s National Broadband Network, and announced that it will cost more than they promised. source Broke an election promise to return to surplus by 2016-2017. source Undermined the rule of law by proposing a “code of conduct” for refugees living in Australia, despite the fact refugees commit fewer crimes per person than the national average. source source source Failed to take any action in response to Snowden’s leaks showing that the Australian Government is helping the USA spy on all Australians. source Repealed poker machine laws designed to address gambling addiction. source Planned the unwinding of the World Heritage protection of Tasmanian forests despite opposition from the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania. source Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. source Threatened queer detainees in PNG by saying they will be reported to local police if they engage in homosexual acts. Homosexuality is illegal in PNG. Such threats mean refugees fleeing persecution because of their sexual orientation are not able to make their asylum claim without fear of arrest. This counts as human rights abuse because it violates the principle of non-refoulement and strips people of their right to safely make a claim for asylum. The government has refused to comment further. source source source Terminated their deal with the Salvation Army to provide humanitarian assistance with those on Manus Island and Nauru. Consequently 300 people lost their job. The government has refused to comment further. source Disbanded IHAG, a group that provides advice about the health of asylum seeker detainees, which helps combat the rising rates of mental illness and self harm. The government has refused to comment further. source Approved the expansions for Abbott Point coal port, which requires dumping 3 million tonnes of dredge spoil onto the Great Barrier Reef, thereby threatening the Queensland’s entire tourism industry and hospitality industry, and the reef’s heritage status. source source Removed the Murray Darling from the list of threatened ecological communities. source Signed a trade agreement with South Korea that allows foreign companies to sue the Australian government if it implements policies which adversely affect their business (e.g. for environmental or anti-sweatshop reasons). source Removed the requirement for the government to consider advice about the protection of endangered species when approving projects. source Detained innocent asylum seekers in conditions so horrible they amount to torture according to Amnesty International. 500ml of water per person per day, in a shadeless tropical island, with mental illness rates of over 30% and no soap despite rampant gastro. source Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). source Incorrectly defined metadata as billing data only, when it actually includes email subject headings, location data, financial transaction details and more. source source source Called for privatisation of electricity networks, despite evidence showing it does not lower power bills. source source Cut $3 billion in welfare for students, the elderly and families. source source Scrapped the Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, despite the fact our population is aging. source Secretly changed voting position at the UN regarding the Israel and Palestine issue without telling anyone. source Abandoned Gonski agreements with states and committed to 3 fewer years of Gonski than their pre-election promise. source Broke an election promise by scrapping the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council of Australia. The government spent $1 million on administrative costs to do so, even though the council only received $1.6 million in funding per year. source Cut $4.5 billion in foreign aid. source source Tried to scrap the $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corp, even though it provides $110 million per year in net revenue to the government. source Disbanded AusAid (the foreign aid body), merging the remainder into the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. source Ceased reporting births and clinical depression in detention centers. Downgraded self harm. source Forcefully and unapologetically separated a mother and her newborn child. source Cut $300 million from child care staff subsidies. source Introduced a bill which allows for unpaid union officials in elected roles to be jailed for up to 5 years and fined up to $340,000. source Cut $2.3 billion from higher education, and removed start-up scholarships (thereby significantly increasing the debt of the poorest students) and removed the 10% HECS discount for paying up-front. source Increased superannuation tax for the poor, and decreased it for the rich. source Tried to scrap the school kids tax concession (thereby increasing the cost of living for families by $16,000 per school child over their education). source Withdraw all Commonwealth funding for Commonwealth supported places at University. source Scrapped the Australian Animals Welfare Advisory Committee, Commonwealth Firearms Advisory Council, International Legal Services Advisory Council, National Steering Committee on Corporate Wrongdoing, Antarctic Animal Ethics Committee, Advisory Panel on the Marketing in Australia of Infant Formula, High Speed Rail Advisory Group, Maritime Workforce Development Forum, Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, Insurance Reform Advisory Group and National Housing Supply Council (all in one day). source Provided $2.2 million for miners and farmers to fight against native title claims. source Cut $435 million from the Renewable Energy Agency. source Unwound same sex marriage laws in ACT. source source Scrapped the Social Inclusion Board (an anti-poverty advisory group). source Used Wikipedia as a source to support a claim which was actually contradicted by Wikipedia. source source Declared bushfires unrelated to climate change. source source Mandated that all public servants should incorrectly refer to boat arrivals as “illegal”. source source source Sent no one important to the international climate summit. The people who did go went in tee-shirts, giggled and were so insensitive and disrespectful that there was a walkout by other countries. source Proposed privatising HECS. source Tried to raise the debt ceiling by $200 billion. source Moved to protect companies from boycotts against them (e.g. for using slave labour or destroying the environment) thereby undermining the foundation of capitalism by reducing consumer power. source source Kept Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations secret, even though it threatens the very foundations of our democracy. The leaked agreement would allow international companies to sue governments if their profits are diminished by environmental, indigenous land rights or anti-child-sweatshop laws. The TPP would give corporations many of the same rights that individuals have. There is no expiration date or separation clause, so once signed, it’s here forever. source source source Broke an election promise by trying to scrap the 2020 emissions target. source source Scrapped the Climate coalition. source Cut 600 CSIRO staff. source Donated $2 million worth of patrol boats to help Sri Lanka stop people fleeing proven genocide, human rights abuse, war crimes and extra judicial killings. source source source source Excused torture in Sri Lanka. source Chose not to appoint a minister for science, for the first time in half a century. source Appointed a man as minister for women who said “I don’t support womens’ causes”. source source Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source
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Date: 21/02/2021 23:16:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Scomo has handled the pandemic so well that the left are clutching at straws and lashing out wildly in every direction but striking nothing.
They are now officially fucked and relying on van Badam fake memes and Chaser Boys (average age 12 and a half) dubious lists.

The fact that Scomo allowed the states to do a decent job of managing the pandemic doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at him for being a clueless clown.

2020 was the year I was glad to have states no matter what DV says/

+1

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:17:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700255
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

The fact that Scomo allowed the states to do a decent job of managing the pandemic doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at him for being a clueless clown.

2020 was the year I was glad to have states no matter what DV says/

+1

True enough.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:18:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source Lied by claiming they had implemented the majority of recommendations from the Banking Royal Commission, when they had only completed a minority. source Removed the names of many Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from the register of stranded Australians. source Deleted warnings of dangerous right-wing extremism in a senate motion about extremism, despite advice from ASIO that it is a serious and growing threat. source Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. source Offered foreign gas companies $50 million to extract gas from the Northern Territory. source Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. source Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. source Wound back consumer protections introduced as a result of the banking royal commission. source Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. source Voted against hanging the aboriginal flag in parliament during NAIDOC week. source source Loosened enterprise bargaining laws to allows employers to introduce new agreements which are not “better off overall” for employees, in ordinary circumstances not just exceptional ones. source source Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. source Spent money chartering a RAAF flight from Sydney to Canberra, even though Qantas services that route frequently at a seventeenth of the price. source Voted against an inquiry into the privatisation and corporatisation of essential public services. source source Invented new non-standard metrics to measure NBN performance, which make Australia appear to rank higher than otherwise. source Refused to publish a $2.5 million evaluation of the cashless welfare card system because the evaluation found that the $80 million program was not clearly effective. source Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland. source source Merged the Family Court with the Federal Circuit Court. source source source Introduced a scheme to pay community broadcasters to give up spectrum rights, and possibly force the SBS and ABC to give up their spectrum rights, without any plan for alternate uses for those frequencies. source source Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). source Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. source Spent $256 million just to add facial recognition as a login option for government services. source source Cut funding for Homelessness Australia by $41 million, during a recession. source source Introduced instant asset write off tax breaks for businesses during COVID, which will cost over $30 billion, to boost the economy by only $10 billion. source Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. source Introduced a new benchmark system for superannuation funds, to penalise funds that perform relatively poorly in the short term. This means that if some funds make high risk, high return investments, everyone else is incentivised to follow, like lemmings running off a cliff. source Added new rules to force superannuation funds to maximise returns regardless of anything else, which is a step towards disallowing super funds from having ethical and environmental screening, such as not investing in weapons manufacturing, or companies with slavery in their supply lines etc. It’s unclear how any fund can comply with this requirement without choosing maximum-risk investments. source Lied by claiming that a maritime union strike at a port was delaying medical supplies, when the strikers were still processing medical and perishable supplies. source source Increased administrative payments to job finding agencies, totalling $300 million during the pandemic. source Abandoned the prominent goal of a government surplus after repeatedly failing to deliver one 6 years in a row, eventually printing several hundred billion dollars during the pandemic (through bond sales), converting to policy that aligns more with Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). source source source Introduced the Underwriting New Generation Investment Program, which is specifically designed to deliver new electricity generators whose business cases don’t add up (even when ignoring negative externalities), by pushing the risk onto taxpayers whilst keeping the profit privatised (i.e. corporate socialism). source source Tried to spend $3.3 million on a feasibility study grant for subsidising a new coal generator. The company who would build it have no relevant experience. The grant criteria was written after the government decided that they would give the money to this company. Previous feasibility studies have shown that the project is too risky and unprofitable for the private sector. It’s also not eligible for the government’s own Underwriting New Generation Investment program. The government claimed this new generator will reduce power prices for regional Queenslanders specifically, but there is only one wholesale electricity price for all of Queensland, and it’s already 50% cheaper than the cost of new coal generation. source source Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%. source source source source source source Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data. source source Introduced a bill to allow the government to cancel any international agreements between universities, councils, sports institutions and other countries. source source Wound back consumer protections and responsible lending obligations for mortgage brokers which were introduced in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. source source Cut $2 billion in funding for university research, including funding for medical research during the pandemic. source Prevented Australian universities from receiving JobKeeper payments, whilst paying JobSeeker money to a foreign university. (University education is Australia’s third largest export.) source source Loosened corporate financial disclosure rules during the pandemic, preventing investors from lodging class actions against companies who mislead the market through omission of important information. source Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. source source Paid 10 times higher than market rate to buy some land new the new Western Sydney Airport several decades earlier than necessary, after getting a valuation done only by a valuer suggested by the seller. source source Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. source Defined the eligibility criteria for the JobKeeper scheme so loosely that millions of dollars from the government which were supposed to subsidise employees’ jobs were funneled straight out as dividends and bonuses to company shareholders and executives. source source Loosened political donation laws. source source Chose to ignore and not fix a security vulnerability in myGovID, which arose because the chosen authentication protocol is bespoke and does not match standard practice. source Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister. source source Tried to use money allocated for renewable power on new fossil fuel generators. source Tried to redefine what “investment” means in legislation, to allow the government to hand cash to fossil fuel companies, even when they are unprofitable and uneconomic, which demonstrates a strong ideological bias towards certain fuel types, with reckless disregard for economics. source Created red tape which will make it harder for individuals to take class actions against companies which have broken the law. This goes directly against the Coalition’s stated values, which include slashing red tape, and relying on free market solutions (such as class actions) to minimise bad corporate behavior (as opposed to direct legislation). source Spent $2 million on legal fees trying to prosecute a whistleblower who leaked truthful information about serious corruption and crime, which was clearly in the public’s interest. source Voted against a binding code of conduct to ensure politicians act with integrity. source Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy, recommended by an independent body, after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. source Proposed cutting HECS support for TAFE and university students who fail too many courses, which will give institutions a strong financial incentive to pass students who don’t deserve their qualification, whilst also disproportionately disincentivising disadvantaged students from enrolling, such as students from families with no history of tertiary qualifications. source source Opposed a United Nations inquiry into racism and police brutality in the USA. This is in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, when American law enforcement officials wearing no insignia were kidnapping random protestors from the street without due process, and American cops were assaulting journalists, and breaking into multiple innocent people’s homes to shoot them in their sleep. The Coalition government doesn’t want the United Nations to make a big deal out of these systemic incidents. source source source source More than doubled the cost of some university degrees, decreasing the government’s contribution to exactly $0. source source Wasted $10 million on developing a new “made in Australia” logo to replace the well-known kangaroo in a green triangle, only to discard the new, generic looking logo because it looks like the COVID-19 virus. source Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. source Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. source Prevented the Senate from discussing whether to implement the remaining recommendations from the 1991 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody. source Failed to stop the only boat that has posed a real and substantial risk to Australia’s national security. The government chose to grant an exemption to the Ruby Princess cruise ship, resulting in a hundreds of new COVID cases around the country. source Hurt barley farmers by antagonising the Chinese government, who retaliated by slapping an 80% tariff on barley exports. source Suspended requirements that commercial television stations produce at least some content in Australia to create Australian jobs. source Announced $50 million in funding to help the Australian film industry cope during the pandemic, but failed to publish any instructions on how eligible, impacted workers or companies can access these funds. source Increased military spending by $270 billion over 10 years, when the economy and our society were struggling to cope with the pandemic and the worst recession since The Great Depression. source Wasted $20.8 billion by investing $29.5 billion in the NBN so poorly that the end result is valued by the Parliamentary Budget Office at only $8.7 billion. source source Drafted the Religious Discrimination Bill which would allow employers and vendors to make statements of belief, such as a baker telling a same sex couple requesting a wedding cake that they believe the couple will burn in hell, or telling a job interviewee that their religious belief is like a mental disorder. source source source Introduced a new online service for helping allocated assets during a divorce, which uses a proprietary, immature, inscrutable black-box technology just because it’s a popular buzz word these days. source source Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden. source source source Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. source Broke an election promise about providing a trading system to help dairy farmers be more fairly compensated for milk production. source Falsely attributed COVID infection rate success to the buggy, insecure, privacy-invading COVIDSafe app, even though the only cases detected by the app had already been detected by more traditional contact tracing methods, which are faster and more effective. source source Took 21 days to fix a known security vulnerability in the COVIDSafe app. source Reduced the competitiveness of Australia’s technology industry by passing laws which allow the government to force back doors into Australian software products, which makes foreign customers less likely to buy them. The same drop in sales that decimated Huawei is now hurting Australian companies. source Released the COVIDSafe app with a known bug that makes it useless on iPhones when the phone is locked. source source source Ignored security best practices when deploying the COVIDSafe app, choosing not to run a bug bounty, and choosing not to publish the source code promptly, despite promises to do so, which lead to multiple vulnerabilities being discovered by researchers far later than they should have been. source source source Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt. source source Lied when claiming that the USA government cannot view sensitive COVIDSafe data, even though the American encryption back-door laws that allow the US government to force Amazon to hand over the data are the exact same laws which were the inspiration for Australia’s recent encryption back-door legislation. source Cancelled The Rule of Law by preventing journalists from reporting on a case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated. source source Wasted $96 million on administration costs for a single tender, to decide who to sell our own immigration visa system to, only to cancel the plan because privatising an essential service which can only ever be a monopoly is obviously a bad idea. source Introduced a new tax, to incentivise non-NBN users to migrate to the expensive NBN. source Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. source Proposed issuing fines of up to $50,000 to innocent people not suspected of a crime if they don’t hand over passwords for their personal devices to law enforcement. When law enforcement unlock a device after demanding a password, they typically don’t let the user see what was done, don’t tell them what was done, and don’t allow them to call a lawyer to find out their rights. In one case a Border Force officer looked through a series of nude photographs of someone’s partner, without the consent of the user or person in the photo, made inappropriate comments, and possibly made nonconsentual copies of the photos. If a citizen not suspected of a crime withholds a password to prevent this, they’ll be fined. source source Introduced new laws which allow ASIO officers to spy on Australian citizens without getting approval from a judge or anyone independent, and without filing paperwork anywhere. source Introduced new laws which prevent someone suspected of a crime from choosing their own lawyer. source Lied by claiming that only a small range of law enforcement agencies will be able to access data under the metadata retention laws, but actually allowed Centrelink, local councils, education councils and the RSPCA to access it. source Repeatedly approved requests by BHP to increase their greenhouse emissions limits. source Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. source Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose primary industry is neither website building nor education. source Ceased payments to the United Nations climate change fund. source Rejected a request for increasing aerial firefighting funding in the months prior to one of the most lethal bushfire seasons in history. The government claimed “other priorities” in the Department of Home Affairs were more important. The department’s other expenditure includes paying people to snoop through nudes in the phones of Australians not suspected of a crime, and spending $30 million to house one family for a few months. The fires killed 34 people and destroyed almost 10,000 homes. source source source Blamed an unusually bad bushfire season on unprecedented arson, when the evidence suggests most fires were started by lightening. source source Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. source Committed crimes against humanity according to the International Criminal Court at the Hague. source Failed to declare a property worth $1 million in a minister’s declaration of interests. source Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1 million in another minister’s declaration of interests. source Lied about data retention laws, claiming only metadata would be captured (e.g. domain name), when actually full URLs are captured, which includes detail such as the specific queries you give to Google, and specific videos you watch on PornHub. source Lied during an election ad, claiming 6 councils would be eligible for $1 million drought relief grants, when they weren’t. source Asked gay asylum seekers whether they could simply stay in the closet in their home country to avoid persecution, in a legally unsound attempt to find grounds for asylum rejection. source Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. source Lied by claiming that cops who abuse data retention powers will be punished, when hundreds of instances of abuse have gone unpunished. source Claimed that their data retention laws would be used mostly for terrorism and child abuse cases, when it actually is used mostly for drug offenses. source Proposed expanding the scope of data retention laws to include MAC addresses. Since MAC addresses are hard coded into each device’s hardware, this would enable continuous location tracking of everyone’s mobile phone. source Lied by claiming that tax cuts would be paid sooner than the passing of the relevant legislation. source Ceased assessing and listing key threats to native species. source Closed down a bushfire research centre, weeks after Australia’s worst ever bushfire season, which killed 34 people and destroyed over 9000 homes. source Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices. source source source source source Mislead the public by claiming they achieved a surplus, when they were referring to a prediction of a surplus in the future based on overly optimistic assumptions and ignoring reasonably predictable risks such as bushfire and drought. source Tried to count oil owned by Australia stored in the US towards the 90 day emergency stockpile we’re required to hold. source source Lied by claiming the MyGov website was taken down by a DDOS attack, admitting only hours later that it was due to the more obvious reason, which was a sudden, drastic and entirely predictable increase in legitimate load. source source Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. source Paid a reality TV star $260k per year to be a “career ambassador”. This is to promote vocational training as a career choice for young Australians, after they repeatedly cut TAFE and apprenticeship funding. source Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it. source source source Removed the Department for arts, rolling those functions into the department that handles telcos and roads. source Cut all foreign aid to Pakistan, and cut aid to Nepal by 42%. source Refused to provide any information when questioned in parliament about an Australian who was secretly imprisoned in Australia, for a secret crime, after a secret trial, an even the prisoner’s name is a secret. Lied by saying the prisoner consented to the secrecy. source source Voted down legislation to increase the Newstart allowance. source Introduced a limit on cash transactions of $10,000, in a move towards a cashless society, so that it then becomes possible to have negative interest rates and have consumers pay banks to store their savings. source Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. source Removes all mentions of “consent” from new legislation about sharing of personal data in the public sector. source Proposed reversing the onus of proof, so that citizens may be considered guilty until proven innocent, for tax fraud and money laundering crimes. source Lied about their new anti-union legislation, claiming unions can’t be deregistered as punishment for any single wrongdoing, when the legislation does permit that. source Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. source Granted ministers to power to use the military to quell domestic protests and industrial action, including shoot-to-kill powers when infrastructure is at risk (such as an environmental protest threatening a coal generator). source Spent $30 million detaining a single asylum seeker family for a few months. source Lied about the nation’s oil reserve, claiming it is 90 days when it their own figures say 58 days. source Voted down a parliamentary declaration that we’re facing a climate emergency. source Lied by claiming their religious discrimination bill was not intended to override states’ anti-discrimination laws. The actual documents tabled in parliament explicitly says it is. source source source Appointed someone in their sixties as Minister for Youth. source source Paid $9 million for a contractor to do literally nothing, because the government abruptly cancelled the contract and instead gave it to a less experienced and less qualified company. source Forecast an increase in wage growth despite simultaneously forecasting no decrease in unemployment. (So employers would pay more for no economically rational reason.) Each year they consistently forecast optimistic wage growth which consistently fails to actually happen. source Simultaneously proposed plans to support electric vehicles and ridiculed plans to support electric vehicles, within the same week. source Lied about the budget being “in the black”. source Lied by claiming to have introduced and passed non-existent legislation to prevent the mass extinction of threatened species. source Approved construction of a mine even though the company said they cannot promise that they won’t make the local rare species extinct, and that they cannot be bothered checking to see whether any member of those species does eventually survive the mine’s operation. source Admitted their promise to spend $2 billion building a fast train link between Geelong and Melbourne will actually cost $4 billion, and they don’t have the other $2 billion. source Introduced a law which allows the government to revoke the citizenship of whistleblowers, minor vandals and people who provide humanitarian assistance in conflict zones. source source Lied about Australia’s emissions, claiming they had decreased when they had actually increased to an record high. source Promised the creation of 1.25 million jobs without doing any calculation or modelling to arrive at that number. source Blocked the construction of Australia’s first offshore wind farm, which would create 12,000 jobs and meet 20% of Victoria’s electricity demand. source Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. source Voted against a United Nations motion for increased sexual education about women’s health, opposition to female genital mutilation, and access to safe abortion. source Cut funding for financial support for asylum seekers by $87 million. source Housed refugees close to large volumes of potentially deadly asbestos. source Spent $1 million from their Emissions Reduction Fund on a fossil fuel generator which would have been built anyway. source Spent $21.5 million over 10 months with an unsigned contract on a health contractor known to have a fatal lack of “necessary clinical skills”. source Charged taxpayers $1700 for the Roads Minister and his spouse to attend a fancy dinner party for the agriculture industry. source Spent $200,000 on chartered flights for ministers to travel between parliament and their electorate. source Spent $400 million on a problem plagued automated system which recovered only $500 million of unpaid debt, through an illegal “guilty until proven innocent” approach. source source Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. source Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack. source source Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling. source source Broke an election promise to establish a register of shell company ownership, to fight corporate tax dodging. source Shared personal information about petition signatories with a private company, without those people’s consent, so that the company can send those people spam. source Prevented a vote for a royal commission into abuse in the disability sector, with a filibuster. Question time was extended to the longest session ever. source source Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it. source source Gave lawyers only 36 hours to respond to a proposal for legislation for a sex offender register. We do not have a murderer or burglar register. Under existing laws, consenting 16 year-olds sending nudes to each other are technically sex offenders, who may be named and shamed on the proposed register. source Exempted the Adani coal mine from a normal water impact assessment because they believe 12.5 billion litres is not “significant”, and because the water pipeline built solely to support the mining project is a non-mining project on paper. source Cut $1.2 billion from aged care, and then denied doing so. source Cut TAFE funding again, this time by $270 million. source Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. source Lied about the Assistance and Access bill not forcing software developers to make their code less secure. The first item in the bill’s list of “acts or things” is “removing one or more forms of electronic protection”. source source source Spent $37,000 for flights for one minister for one day, to attend meetings which could have probably been made via a video call. source Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. source Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. source Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. source Rejected recommendations from the Productivity Commission that the government add a “fair use” exemption to copyright law, and to change the law to explicitly protect Australians who circumvent geoblocking barriers to access paid content. source Spent $400,000 to help train the Myanmar military, who were known to be guilty of ongoing genocide against the Rohingya people, and were later responsible for a literal coup to overthrow their government. source source Punished an asylum seeker for reporting sexual assault committed by a government contractor, and lied about forwarding the complaint to the police. source Spent $320,000 on legal fights denying asylum seekers urgent medical transfers to the mainland to treat life-threatening conditions. source Secretly blocked funding for $4 million in humanities research projects, which were already approved by the government’s research approval body (ARC). source Introduced a new reason for rejecting government funding of research proposals. Research which doesn’t advance the national interest will be rejected. Historically important yet socially controversial research like evolution and the sun-centric solar system would have been rejected under this model. source Spent $16,880 on personal stationary for just one minister for one year. source Spent $20k making custom phone apps for a single senator. A website would have sufficed. source Ignored advice from 3 government bodies, choosing to instead allow a private company to build environmentally damaging infrastructure in a World Heritage Area, in violation of zoning rules. source Handcuffed an innocent child whilst preventing her from receiving urgently needed medical treatment. source Gave corporate welfare to fund coal generators, through a grant which they claim is “technology neutral”, despite it specifying a narrow range of technologies. source Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. source Rolled out the My Health Record to the whole country as an opt-out system, despite safety concerns about how abusive stalkers can use it, and despite the trial involving 9 security breaches. 42 more security breaches happened within weeks of the system being rolled out nationally. source source Cut funding for the Foodbank charity for a third time. This time $323,000 was cut just before Christmas. source Spent half a billion dollars on an upgrade for a war memorial. source Gave money from a fund for Indigenous advancement to a fishing corporation to help it fight Indigenous land claims. source source Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. source Cancelled the citizenship of someone who’s citizenship application was approved 18 years ago, who has lived in Australia for 41 years. source Proposed the underwriting of coal power plant construction. Risks too high for the private sector will be thrust upon taxpayers, whilst the profit will remain privatised source source Doubled the amount spent on external consultants, after cutting public sector staff. source Cut one third of jobs from the Department of Environment. source Charged taxpayers for VIP plane flights to fly the Prime Minister between destinations on his “bus tour”. source source Spent $9000 buying hundreds of hard copies of a book which is available online for free. source Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian. source source Charged taxpayers $2000 per month for one minister’s home Internet connection. source source Reduced the income threshold at which graduates start paying back HECS debt, down to $45,000. source Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case. source source source Proposed plans to privatise the visa application system. Referring to this core function of a sovereign government as a “business” which should be “commercial” and “profitable”. source Removed emissions reduction targets from the National Energy Guarantee. source Outsourced top-level security clearance vetting to private contractors who transport sensitive documents via private courier, occasionally to the wrong address. source Refused a visa application on character grounds for a whistleblower who disclosed war crimes. source Refused a temporary visa application for a 10 year old boy to visit his father because the boy did not have a full time job. source Drafted laws granting ‘shoot to kill’ powers to military soldiers during riots. source source Sent $440 million of Reef research funds to an obscure private organisation, instead of one of the many relevant public agencies, and without any application process. source source source Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. source Assigned $48.7 million to a Captain Cook memorial. There are already 35 Captain Cook memorials in Australia. The money was taken from the ABC budget. source source source source Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). source Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published. source source source Threw $700k at blockchains. source Spent $3.6 billion to keep an old, dirty coal power station running for a few more years, when the alternative renewable generation plan would be $1.4 billion cheaper. source Increased the difficulty of the citizenship English test, so that applicants who are able to speak “basic” English will be rejected. source Deliberately destroyed water supplies at a Manus Island detention centre, to force refugees out of the camp and into unfinished alternative sites. source Chose not to take back money given to an exploitative coffee chain who violated the terms of the payment which was part of the PaTH program. source Spent $300k on 60 seconds of advertising to spruik new energy policies designed to reduce power bills. That amount of money could have been spent to pay the annual energy bills of 5000 typical houses. source Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10. source source Cut university funding again, this time by $2.1M. source Banned the Eureka flag and all union symbols and slogans from personal equipment on federal construction sites, no matter how small or subtle they are. source Spent $2.2 million on giant fans to protect the Great Barrier Reef from global warming. source Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. source Accidentally exposed the personal health records of millions of Australians, including whether they have had abortions or are on HIV medication. source Introduced a bill to permit businesses to discriminate based on customers’ sexual activity or gender. source Proposed selling biometric data of citizens to private corporations. source Proposed a law to introduce 2 year jail sentences for anyone who uses the Australian Coat of Arms without authorisation, including satirical websites who do not intend to deceive, and including when no harm comes from the unauthorised use. source Tried to reduce the number of tertiary courses eligible for Austudy report. source Proposed a law which would further destroy citizen’s right to freedom from arbitrary detention, by giving police the power to imprison people for 14 days without arrest. source Introduced a national facial recognition surveillance program, which will collate faces from CCTV cameras and other sources and share them with private companies, and claimed such a program “doesn’t involve surveillance” and will increase citizen’s privacy. source source Told tender applicants for a $90B ship-building project that they don’t need to spend any of that construction money in Australia. source Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. source Introduced new procurement rules which will cost telcos $184k per year in paperwork and compliance. source Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. source Spent $7000 in one month for wine for one minister, and fought against a Freedom of Information request into the spend. source Kicked 100 asylum seekers into the street, taking their income away with no notice, after preventing them from working. source Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation. source source Kept secret government data showing higher than expected emissions increases. source Illegally detained Australian citizens on Christmas Island because they failed character test. source Cut all funding for the 40 year old Haymarket health clinic for the homeless, resulting in its closure. source Lied about when they found out about the sale of Medicare data on the black market. source Claimed to have not suffered a cybersecurity breach after the systems storing sensitive Medicare information had their security breached, and that sensitive information was put up for sale on the black market. source Added politically weighted questions about coal to the citizenship test. source Paid companies to hire young people for entry level jobs at far less than the minimum wage. There is evidence that companies replace real jobs with these underpaid ones. One such company killed a person by not avoiding obvious and easily foreseeable risks. They were fined only $70k. source source source Chose not to appoint any climate scientists to the Climate Change Authority. source Tried to allow the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in coal. source source Blocked the construction of a wind farm because of the ‘visual impact’, even though 92% of locals wanted it. source Failed to comply with the mandatory ‘Top 4’ cyber security strategies, in multiple departments. source Loosened protections for indigenous land owner rights. source Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. source Lent $100M to a foreign company which does not operate in Australia, for construction of a coal mine which won’t employ any Australians or contribute to the Australian economy at all. This mine so bad for the environment that if it goes ahead, the world will not stay under 2 degrees of global warming. source Spent $12M per year on flights for NBN staff. source Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students. source source Introduced a new tax, of at least $7.10 per month per NBN fixed line user. source Cut the foreign aid budget again, this time by $300 million. source Voted against changes which would reduce the wait times for medicinal cannabis from months down to hours. It currently takes up to 19 months to get approval for 3 months worth of medication. source source Started drug testing welfare recipients without consulting legal, medical or drug experts. They simultaneously claim people will be selected randomly and also based on data driven profiling tools (i.e. not random). source source source Introduced a policy very similar to the First Home Buyer’s Account policy they scrapped a few years earlier, with the main difference being that it involves using Superannuation for something other than retirement savings. source Spent around $10k per person per year for a cashless welfare card trial, for welfare payments worth $14k per person per year. Almost half of the participants claimed the trial made their lives worse. source source Broke a promise to put in safeguards to prevent their data retention scheme from being abused. (Police illegally accessed the data within 2 weeks of retention commencing.) source source Cut university funding again, this time by 2.5%. source Approved the sale of weapons to a country accused of committing war crimes and killing 10,000 innocent civilians. source source Rejected advice from a taskforce it set up, which provided recommendations to reduce foreign visa abuse, and then claimed the 457 visa is too prone to abuse. source Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. source Claimed many ‘community leaders’ support the cashless welfare card, but refused to list such supporters when asked. source Claimed that using more wind power and less coal power will increase emissions. source Prohibited the Aboriginal Legal Service from giving evidence at a legal enquiry into the loosening of racial hate-speech laws. source Re-established the construction industry watchdog, which spent $100,000 investigating two mates for having a cup of tea on site. source Spent over $3,000 to send the minister for Immigration to a monarchist fundraiser. source Forced public servants to move from Canberra to Armidale, prior to establishing new office facilities. They now do their work in the local Macca’s. source Introduced NBN ‘Fibre to the curb’, which is almost identical to the ‘Fibre to the premise’ approach they criticised. source Introduced a bill which would allow the government to publicly release veteran’s personal information (such as medical records) without their consent. source Refused to release a report into the death of a person on the government’s Work for the Dole program. source Skipped the normal assessment process for large infrastructure projects when deciding to proceed with the WestConnex project. source Paid the first $500 million for the WestConnex project well before the funding was needed. source Voted against a motion to extend the privacy act to cover political parties. source Changed Newstart eligibility so that 22 to 24 year-olds get Youth Allowance instead, which is $90 less per fortnight. source Excluded offshore detention centres when ratifying the Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture. source Appointed a mining lobbyist as the PM’s climate change advisor. source Increased the number of IT contractors for the government, even though they cost $80,000 more per person per year than having actual IT staff. source Cut $180,000 from children’s dental care funding, and almost $300 million for adult dental care. source Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. source Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. source Fined welfare recipients for not attending ‘hygiene’ and tie-dying classes. source Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. source Changed public servant super laws to reduce the retirement payout of long-term teachers, police and nurses by tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. source Conducted an inquiry into housing affordability which gave no recommendations on how to help fix housing affordability. source Spent $26 million and laid off 93 scientists to move the location of the agricultural chemicals and veterinary medicines regulator. source Made an ‘action plan’ to deal with record level bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, which lacked any new actions or funding. source Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. source Indefinitely detained someone based on information obtained through torture. source Axed 900 jobs in the national flight control agency, despite concerns that losing so many staff will compromise safety. source Spent $83,000 on a baggage lift at The Lodge. source Flew 23 staff to the Australian embassy in Paris to discuss saving money. The government does not know how much the flights and accommodation cost. Others estimate it was $200,000. source Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. source Increased the cost of a Visa for bands touring to Australia by 600%. source Gave $4 billion in tax cuts to the richest fifth of the population. source Put the 000 call service out to tender, despite their own review saying not to. source Cut $68 million from the Bureau of Statistics’ funding. source Introduced a second internet filter. Internet consumers will be forced pay their telcos to block websites which foreign film companies dislike. The Liberals have accepted millions of dollars of donations from those foreign companies. source source Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. source Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration. source source Wasted over $98,000 by buying and then cancelling flights. source Proposed charging 9% interest on all debts owed to CenterLink. source Cut $50 million from dental healthcare funding. source Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. source Chose not to add HIV prevention medication PrEP to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, which would have brought down the cost of the proven medication from $1000 per month to $30 per month. source Handed out $9 million to a foreign coal mining company. source Spent over $200,000 sending Border Force staff to a luxury hotel which specialises in corporate team building through circus lessons and Segway tours. source Proposed a law which will allow Australians to be sentenced to life in prison, without being charged for a crime. source Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. source Spent over $100 million per year on military operations in Afghanistan, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Removed subsidies for blood sugar test strips. Now 600,000 diabetics will be forced to pay $60 per box instead of $1.20. source Decided that foreign born, adopted Australians can no longer use their Australian birth certificate as proof of Australian citizenship. source Had UNESCO censor a report on climate change to remove all mentions of Australia and the Great Barrier Reef. Large sections of the reef have already been bleached because of climate change. source Sacked 74 scientists in Antartica. source Locked up a dying New Zealander who wants to go to New Zealand. The man has had 20 heart attacks, and is close to death. He has finished serving a jail sentence, yet remains imprisoned. source Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. source Accidentally leaked the contact information of thousands of women in a confidential database. source Changed the operation of Australia’s rape and domestic violence hotline so that counsellors no longer need three years of experience and a tertiary qualification in psychology or social work, and so that victims must now disclose their abuse story to twice as many people before getting help. source Cut all funding for Australia’s only eating disorder helpline. source Claimed that refugees simultaneously are taking our jobs whilst also taking our welfare. source Cut $20 million from the National Library, resulting in 28 job losses and the halting of all document digitisation. source Provided no workers compensation for Australian staff injured in offshore detention centres. source Refused to publicly release a video of illegal whaling. source Claimed that Australia’s largest coal mine (which will export more coal than our entire nation consumes) will not contribute to climate change. source Proposed a government funded internship scheme where companies are paid lots of money to hire short term interns for $4 per hour with no award protections. source source Gave permission to a shipping company operating only in Australian waters to sack their Australian crew and hire foreigners for $2 an hour. source Proposed blocking students from going to university if their ATAR is too low, even if the course has spare spaces and is happy with their ATAR. source Proposed forcing students to pay back HECS earlier if they have parents or a long term partner with an income over a threshold. source Waited 22 hours before air-lifting a critically ill refugee to an adequately equipped hospital. He died the next day. source Rejected an offer from New Zealand to take 150 asylum seekers who are currently being illegally held in Australian detention centres. source Spent $300,000 on a single lunch, for business mates. source Cut $650 million in bulk billing incentives for pathology. source Spent $39 billion on new submarines, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Proposed new powers for job agencies so that they can fine unemployed people, without any oversight, and with minimal avenues for recourse. source source Offered an indigenous organisation half the pay rise offered to most other public sector organisations. The pay rise is below inflation, so amounts to a pay cut. source Proposed the abolition of the independent organisation that sets the minimum wage for truck drivers. source Cut all funding to Australia’s only youth-led sexual health organisation. source Ran out of money to pay Army Reserves. source Proposed using government funds allocated for climate change action to build a 1.2GW coal plant. source Lied about releasing all children from immigration detention. source Spent $3.3 million on another study into ‘wind turbine syndrome’, even though their own senate inquiries have shown there’s no such thing. The committee had all articles rejected by scientific papers, and provided no advice to the government in its first 2 years. source source Prohibited people who owe money to CenterLink from leaving the country, regardless of how small the debt is or how soon they will return. source Spent $45,000 replacing lost and stolen devices for just one department. source Reneged on their promise to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria, instead accepting 26. source Spent $55 million to resettle just two refugees in Cambodia. source Cut domestic violence leave for public servants. source Scrapped the “Safe Schools” anti-bullying program, on the National Day of Action Against Bullying. source Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. source Claimed that scrapping negative gearing would simultaneously increase and decrease house prices. source Spent $15.4 million on research into globally damaging an increasingly unprofitable fossil fuels. source Requested in inquiry into an anti-bullying program which focused on fostering tolerance for queer youth. source source Spent $1.3 million on CCTV surveillance for an impoverished indigenous community who are desperately in need of more funding for education, health, housing and welfare. source Cut funding for research missions by a world class marine science ship, instead renting out the ship to foreign fossil fuel companies looking for oil and gas in Australian waters. source Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. source Proposed new broad powers for the Attorney-General so that the government can demand that telcos do unspecified “things”, which could include filtering the internet, tracking everyone’s browsing history and more. source Attempted to exempt telcos and law enforcement agencies from laws requiring users to be notified if their personal information has been breached. source Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. source Cut the pension for 35,000 public service retirees. source Spent $1.3 million on medals for Border Force staff, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Increased the cost of pap smears. source Told myGov users to downgrade the security on their account when travelling overseas, which is when security risks are highest. source Refused to allow the family of a terminally ill man to temporarily enter Australia to see their son one last time before he died. source Paid Telstra $80 million to fix the copper network which Telstra sold to the government. source Proposed an exemption so that internet providers and some other companies are not required to inform customers when their data is stolen by malicious third parties. source Spent almost $6000 to fly a minister’s family to a coastal holiday. source Violated international law by illegally conducting war in Syria. source source Refused to give citizenship to eligible permanent residents, years after their refugee claims were accepted. source Spent $1770 on 3 bean bags. source Paid $1.5 billion for the East West Link far earlier than necessary, so that it would fall into Labor’s financial year, to make them look worse. source Started regularly strip searching innocent females on Nauru, with only male staff present. source Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned zoo visits for children in detention, deeming them “inappropriate”, and ruling that they must remain imprisoned instead. source Made refugees work with deadly friable asbestos without any training and almost no equipment. source Appointed a Windfarm Commissioner, who is paid $205,000 per year for the part-time job, who received only 2 valid complaints in its first year. source source source Refused to investigate, prosecute or do anything to a foreign company who built a large port and cut down large areas of forest home to endangered species, without environmental approval. source Introduced cashless welfare cards to reduce the autonomy and control that support recipients have over their spending. source Removed the requirements that crews on ships operating for months between Australian ports get paid Australian-level wages. source Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. source Spent $1.3 billion on replacements for Defence Force Land Rovers, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Funded ethnic cleansing and war crimes in PNG. source Tried to remove exclusion zones around abortion clinics which are designed to protect patients from harassment. source Voted against a motion which called for independent investigation of the bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan by the USA, which is a war crime. source Refused to give counselling to a pregnant woman prior to an abortion. The woman was raped whilst in our asylum seeker prisons. source Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. source Spent $18.5 million on a facial recognition program to log and spy on every Australian, store social media photos and potentially conduct live tracking of all citizens. source source Spent $80,000 on catering for a week long trip to Cape York and Torres Strait, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Forced an asylum seeker to pay for medicine to treat an injury they got when a government employee physically assaulted them. source Laughed and joked about the pacific islands whose very existence is threatened by climate change sea rises. source Scrapped the requirement that the board members of the National Disability Insurance Scheme have actual experience with disabilities (either personally, or through someone close). source Started advertising the jobs of the National Disability Insurance Scheme board without notifying the current board. source Lied about how many refugees we take. source Spent $21,000 of government money to fly a minister somewhere to give a speech about the need to stop wasteful government spending. source Cited ‘the boats have stopped’ as evidence that the economy is doing well. source Told an Australian company to sack their Australian employees and hire foreigners, in order to remain competitive under the government’s new shipping deregulation rules. source Spent $24,000 on koala hire for a G20 photo opportunity, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent over $100,000 on flags for the G20 summit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Broke an election promise to cut the company tax rate by 1.5%. source Broke an election promise to introduce a new paid parental scheme. source Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. source Broke an election promise to not change GST, by removing the exemption for online purchases. source Did not attempt to conduct privacy impact assessments for 90% of their terror bills. source Lifted a ban on the import of a particular shotgun which has a fast firing rate and seven shot magazine capacity. source Spent $24.6 million on an advertising campaign to spruik the benefits of a trade deal (whose content is secret), despite the alleged budget emergency. source Illegally gave approval to an environmentally damaging mine. They then criticised those who pointed out the crime, and tried to change the law so that environmentalists cannot take legal action against illegal mines. source Refused to offer treatment and support to an asylum seeker who was raped on Nauru. source Lied about banning certain muesli bars and other products on Manus Island which have ‘Freedom’ in the brand name. source Proposed a plan to prioritise the applications of refugees who pay the government large sums of money over less fortunate refugees. (a.k.a. a bribe.) source Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation. source source Spent $14.4 million to get support for outdated and insecure software, instead of using current versions. source Waited 3 months before giving medication to a toddler with tuberculosis (a potentially fatal illness). source Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. source Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. source Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. source Held innocent asylum seekers in the same facilities as convicted rapists and murderers. source Spent $90,000 to send The Speaker to Europe for a fortnight so that she could apply for a job. source Spent $5,000 on a helicopter so that Bronwyn Bishop wouldn’t have to travel 1 hour by car to get to a Liberal fundraising event. source Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. source Spent $500,000 on Australian flags in just 6 months, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) from investing in wind power and small scale solar power. source Banned telcos from seeing warrants for metadata access requests issued to chase down journalists sources, thereby undermining the purpose of the warrant system. source Removed the requirement for skills assessments of foreign electricians working under a Temporary Work visa. source source Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. source Spent $500,000 on flags in just 6 months. source Used classified ASIO documents as props during a photo shoot. source Broke an election promise by scrapping Medicare locals. source Denied asylum seekers the right to make Freedom of Information requests for information the government has about them. source Admitted that an innocent senator was spied on by government employees whilst performing her job. The government initially labelled the senator an “embarrassment to this country” because they said the claims were “complete nonsense”, despite knowing they were true. source source Incorrectly claimed that the Lindt Cafe gunman was linked with ISIS. source Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. source Illegally paid people smugglers money to turn boats around, in order to disrupt their business model. source source Cut $13 million from the Australia Council and Screen Australia. source Cut $105 million from the Australian Council for the Arts without bothering to consult anyone in the arts industry. source Introduced 2 year jail sentences for doctors who disclose government wrongdoing and the high rates of health problems in immigration jails, even if the disclosures are in the public interest. source Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. source Refused to offer any assistance to thousands of innocent refugees stranded offshore in our region. source source Proposed new powers to banish Australians suspected of terrorism, possessing a ‘thing’ related to terrorism, downloading a single file related to terrorism, vandalising commonwealth property or entering a ‘no-go zone’ country even for innocent purposes. Each guilty verdict would be made by a minister, not a court. The government does not have to prove the suspects are guilty. The new laws may contravene the 1961 United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. source source source source Cut funding for an anti-deaths in custody service, the creation of which was recommended by the 1991 Deaths in Custody Royal Commission. source Granted the Immigration Department and local councils the power to search through the stored metadata of all citizens (and they won’t need a warrant). source source Tried to pass off all responsibility for “matters of national environmental significance” to the states, who have weaker environmental protections. source Proposed ‘ag-gag’ laws, under which activists who expose illegal animal cruelty can be imprisoned if they take more than 48 hours to go to the police. source source Chose to leave the Minister’s Council on Asylum Seekers and Detention empty. source Asked the Nauru government to block access to Facebook. source Cut all funding for The Conversation, a website which allows academics to promote and explain their research to a broader audience. source Censored data revealing shockingly high rates of mental illness amongst immigration detainees. source Spent $200,000 per year on gardening at Kirribilli House. source Spent $700,000 to rebrand “NBN Co” to “nbn TM”. source Lied about the cost of the price on Carbon. source Scrapped the domestic violence education program in schools. source Failed to name the leader of ISIS on the day they sent 330 troops to a war against ISIS. source Spent $4 million for the ‘Australian Consensus Centre’, a climate denial center to be run by someone with no qualifications in science or economics. The government had already cut all funding for the Australian Climate Commission, citing a lack of funds. source source Withdrew from Australia’s commitment to limit global temperature rises to two degrees. source Granted immigration detention centre staff greater immunity against repercussions for inappropriate uses of force. They now have greater immunity than police officers. source Scrapped a public inquiry into law enforcement agencies access to journalists’ telecommunications data, for the purposes of identifying journalists’ sources. source Spent $6 million on a movie which is supposed to deter people from fleeing genocide, war crimes, torture and other persecution. No English dubs or subtitles are available. source source Prevented the release of a ‘name and shame’ list of multinational tax dodging corporations. source Closed the school inside the Nauru detention centre, so that the space can be converted into offices, a staff gym and a staff recreational area. source Prohibited detention centre workers from joining certain political parties, churches and protests even when not identifiable as employees. They can also be fired if an asylum seeker follows them on Twitter without their knowledge. source Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. source Proposed taxing all bank deposits. source source Scrapped the National Produce Monitoring System, which monitors domestic food for dangerous chemicals. source Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. source Tried to pass multiple bills to halve the backpay of intellectually disabled workers who earned only $1 per hour in wages. source Kicked 10 Save The Children workers off Nauru, despite the government having no evidence to support their allegations of sexual and physical assault by the workers against detainees. source Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. source Rejected the crowdfunded offer of free solar panels with free installation for Kirribilli House. source Stripped 8000 public servants of their rights against unfair dismissal. source Prosecuted a white hat hacker who exposed serious security vulnerabilities of some of the ISPs who store the sensitive data of all Australians under the government’s data retention policy. source Closed 150 remote Indigenous communities. source source Breached the international convention against torture. source Proposed scrapping the census. source Defended the use of the War Memorial to hold corporate events for foreign arms manufacturers. source Cut funding to Blind Citizens Australia, Deaf Australia and Down Syndrome Australia. source Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. source Exempted Gmail, Skype and Facebook from their data-retention scheme, thereby significantly reducing its effectiveness. They are exempted because they are not Australian. Hence, Australian email providers will be forced to pay for data retention servers, while competing with non-Australian companies who don’t. source Accused the Human Rights Commissioner of bias, because she published a report into children in detention, finding 233 incidents of assault against children, inside the government’s immigration camps. source Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. source Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. source Spent $17 million on a social media internet filter, allegedly to stop terrorist propaganda. The government believes that peaceful environmental protestors can be “terrorists”. source source Claimed “good government starts today”, after 18 months of governing. source Referred journalists to the police after they reported on immigration matters, including the illegal breaches of Indonesia’s borders. source Lied about the use of weapons by peaceful protesters on Manus Island, when their camp was flooded with armed guards in riot gear. source Chose not to do any modelling whatsoever to determine whether the Emissions Reduction Fund will reduce emissions by the amount they claim it will. source Spent over $80,000 on kitchen appliances. source Knighted Prince Phillip, a non-Australian who asked Indigenous leaders “Do you still throw spears at each other?”. source Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. source Applied to withdraw from a UN convention to protect migratory sharks, 2 months after agreeing to the convention. source Awarded a $6.3 million contract for armored cars for politicians to a foreign company, even though the company did not bid for the tender and an Australian company did. source Criminalised some discussions about cryptography by crytographic academics. source source source Spent more money per student on homeopathy, flower essence therapy and naturopathy tertiary courses than law, economics, languages and humanities. source Proposed the loosening of 457 work visas, allowing foreigners to work in Australia for 12 months, without passing English tests, without the need to look for local workers first. source Spent $88,000 on yoga workshops to improve the emotional intelligence of Immigration Department workers. source Used veto powers to block a UN resolution calling to the end of Israel’s occupation of Palestine. source Spent over $15 million on an advertisement campaign to make university fee deregulation more palatable. source Violated the principle of non-refoulement again, by sending a refugee back to Afghanistan, where he was subsequently tortured for trying to escape. source Scrapped a plan to make coursework masters students eligible for income support. source Cut $44 million over 4 years from the Skills for Education and Employment program which helps jobseekers improve their reading, writing and maths. source Cut $66 million over 3 years from a program which supplements the income of adult apprentices earning less than minimum wage. source Introduced a $900 NBN fee for all new houses. source Cut all funding of homelessness and community housing programs, except the ones they are legally required to fund. source Refused to give visas to refugees who were found to have a well founded fear of persecution, came by plane, passed health checks and passed security checks. source source Appointed a climate change denier as parliamentary secretary to the minister of the environment. source Appointed who said he has “no interest in defence issues” as Minister for Defence. source Cut foreign aid a third time, this time by $3.7 billion. source Spent $120,000 monitoring the media for mentions of the Immigration Department. source Legislated to override all non-refoulement obligations. The government can now send refugees back to countries even if they know for certain that the refugees will be tortured or killed upon return. source Withdrew from the UN Refugee Convention. source Gave millions of dollars to subsidise the training of priests and other religious workers, using the money cut from public, secular universities. source Forced indigenous welfare recipients to work for full time, for 52 weeks a year, to get $5 per hour. source Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. source Claimed that virtual private networks (VPNs) would be exempt from their internet filter, then voted against an amendment to exempt VPNs from their internet filter. source Introduced an internet filter. Consumers and rights groups will not be able to contest blockages. The filter will cost customers $130,000 per year. Village Roadshow Studios donate over $300,000 to the Liberals each year, as do many other studios. source source source source source Gave the Immigration Minister the power to deny or revoke citizenship because someone has a mental illness. source Refused to grant asylum to anyone waiting in refugee camps in Indonesia. source Started another senate inquiry into wind farms, to look at the effect of wind power on power bills, even though the government’s own reviews have already shown that wind power reduces power bills. source source Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. source Gave permission to Chinese companies to sue the Australian government if it implements laws which reduce the corporation’s profits. Australian companies can’t even do the same to the Chinese government. The actual text of the legislation is being kept secret. source Perpetuated the lie of ‘Terra Nullius’. source Chose to not investigate claims of torture and rape by staff in the Manus Island detention centre, because the accused corporation investigated the claims themselves and concluded that they were not guilty. The investigation was done completely internally by Transfield, without any involvement with the Immigration Department. source Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. source Tried to remove the requirement that telecommunications companies disclose how many times they voluntarily handed customer’s data to law enforcement agencies without a warrant. source Bribed murder witnesses with the offer of the rights that they are currently being denied, to make them withdraw their statements about the death of someone who was murdered by the government’s contractors. source Disobeyed Commonwealth value-for-money rules by forcing the Australian Tax Office to spend millions on new offices without making a business case for it or doing a cost benefit analysis. source Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. source Refused to fulfill a senate order to explain the reasons behind a ban on accepting any refugees from Ebola infected countries. No such ban exists for normal immigrants. source Tried to remove the requirement that all free to air TV stations have captions from 6am to midnight. source Illegally refused to grant permanent visas to people found to be genuine refugees, despite their own department and the United Nations Human Rights Council telling them it is illegal. source Appointed 2 Liberal mates to the Migration Review Tribunal even though they were not shortlisted by the selection committee. source source Chose not to tell asylum seekers that sensitive information about their asylum claims, mental health problems and more was stolen again. The data was left on a hard-drive without password protection, outside of the lockable store-rooms. source Reduced the number of charities and aid organisations allowed into the G20 summit from 75 to 3. source Reduced leave allowances for defence force personnel and reduced wage increases to below the inflation rate, just a few days after declaring war. source Introduced laws to allow ASIO to secretly detain people without charge, without any contact to the outside world, and allow them to conduct “coercive questioning” even when less extreme measures are available. Refusal to answer ASIO’s questions would be a crime punishable by imprisonment. source Gave ASIO the power to read, delete and modify anything and everything on the entire internet, with only one warrant. No one can sue them if they use that information or power illegally. If a journalist reports such abuse, they will be jailed for 10 years. source source source Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time). source source Refused to send the Prime Minister to a UN climate summit with 125 other heads of state, even though the Prime Minister was attending another UN summit in the same city the next day. source source Joined the Iraq war 3.0 by recklessly running in with guns blazing without a clear, public and testable objective, without a proposed timeline, without any explanation of why we won’t fail just like the last time and without debating the matter in parliament. The government is calling the war a “humanitarian mission”, even though they cut all foreign aid to Iraq just a few months prior. source source source Spent $12 million trying to convince Sri Lanka to accept 2 boatloads of asylum seekers. source Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. source Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. source Raised the terror threat level to “high”, despite receiving no specific intelligence since claiming that the threat level “has not changed”. source source Refused to give medical treatment to an asylum seeker with a cut on his foot, who later died because of an infection. source Rejected visa applications for unionists who wanted to attend a conference, because they didn’t have enough “personal wealth”. source Tried to introduce WorkChoices again. The changes will make it legal for employers to pay workers in pizza instead of money. Some workers will get less pay while taking annual leave. Employers will be able to veto industrial action. Unions will be stripped of their right to enter a workplace to discuss things will employees during unpaid breaks. Workers will no longer be paid extra for weekend work and overnight work. source source source Scrapped funding for the Red Cross asylum seeker support program. 500 jobs were lost. source Removed the requirement for ASIO to get a warrant before using tracking devices. source Legislated to permit ASIO operatives and associates to commit torture, and any other crime aside from murder, serious injury infliction, sexual assault and property damage. source source source source Legislated so that courts must accept illegally obtained evidence. source Privatised Australian Hearing. source source Increased intelligence agency funding by $630 million, and fought for the power to stop Australians from travelling to Middle Eastern countries, even though the risk of terrorism “has not changed” at the time. Australians who travel to those countries will be guilty until proven innocent. They will face up to 10 years of imprisonment. source source Scrapped the Countering Violent Extremists Program, which involved grants to community programs. source Censored doctors’ reports showing that 1/3 of all detainees suffer from mental illness, and that self harm amongst children is common. source source Axed the Schools Business Community Partnership Brokers program, which has saved thousands of students from dropping out of school. source Introduced Work-For-The-Dole despite their own data showing that such programs are the least effective way of helping people find jobs. source Cut the $16 per patient per day supplement for aged care providers. source Rewrote counterterrorism laws so that Australian tourists returning from Syria and Iraq will be guilty of terrorism until they prove they are innocent. source Broke an election promise by allowing the new multi-billion dollar batch of Navy submarines to be built overseas, despite high levels of unemployment amongst our manufacturing sector. source source Spent $330,000 renovating a single room which has never been used. Including $800 on a single door knob. The cost of leaving it unused but on standby comes to $100,000 per year. source Forced the unemployed to apply for 40 jobs per month. This will bombard businesses with over 1,000,000 applications per day. There’s currently about 1 job availability for every 10 unemployed people, so a lack of job applications is not the problem. source source Introduced mandatory metadata retention schemes for all internet providers. The government admits the changes are not necessary, and that there is no evidence to show that it will improve law enforcement. Warrants will not be required to access the data. The cost of implementing the schemes will come to about another $100 per customer per year. It will be used to punish illegal downloaders. source source source source source Finally admitted that “There’s no crisis at all in the Australian economy”, despite centering their election campaign on the alleged budget emergency. source Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years. source source source source Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. source Falsely claimed that nations around the world are scrapping emissions trading schemes, even though there is currently a net increase in adoption of such schemes. source Remained unapologetic about 10 mothers trying to commit suicide. The mothers hoped that their orphan children would be freed from torturous asylum seeker prisons and cared for. source Forcefully handed over 41 innocent asylum seekers to a genocidal government, despite being aware that many had already been tortured before fleeing. This violates international laws and our own domestic laws. source source Incorrectly explained the mechanics of their own Carbon Price repeal. source Committed maritime piracy by storming boats in international waters at gunpoint, kidnapping and then imprisoning innocent passengers. Maritime piracy constitutes crimes against humanity. source source Claimed pre-First Fleet Australia was “unsettled or, um, scarcely settled”, and called British colonisation a form of foreign investment. source source Cut $44 million from homelessness services. source Removed all mentions of climate change from their extreme weather website. source source Moved to strip environmental organisations from charity status. source source Refused to refer to East Jerusalem as “occupied”, even though the Israeli military has met the specific criteria which constitute the legal definition of occupation, and even though Israel’s own highest court ruled that the region is occupied, and even though the Israelis have built a wall twice as tall as the Berlin Wall to separate the region from the rest of Palestine. source Introduced legislation to allow the government to send asylum seekers back to the country they fled from, even if there is up to a 49% chance that they will be killed or tortured upon return. This violates the principle of non-refoulement, which constitutes human rights abuse. source source source source Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. source Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied. source source Tried to remove the laws that require financial advisors to act in the best interest of their clients, and the requirement that they provide clients with a statement of the fees they’ll be charged each year. source source Refused to let Leo Seemanpillai’s parents come to Australia temporarily for his funeral. He burned himself to death because the Australian Government wanted to send him back to proven genocide in Sri Lanka. His parents have been living in a refugee camp for 2 decades. 2 other people tried to commit suicide the same way within a month of Leo’s death, to avoid being sent back to Sri Lanka. source source source Scrapped the annual $5 million grant to the Red Cross. source Defended the $4.8 million salary of the head of Australia Post, immediately after he cut 900 postal worker jobs to save money. source Lied by claiming asylum claims were being processed in the lead up to the Manus Island riots. source Cancelled meetings with the head of the International Monetary Fund and the president of the World Bank because Mr. Abbott would be told that the government’s support for fossil fuels will heavily damage our economy in the long run. source Failed to model the impact on hospital emergency room waiting times due to the proposed GP fee. source Cut a further $600 million from Indigenous programs, in addition to the $534 million cuts in the 2014 budget. source source Claimed that removing the upper limit on university fees will cause fees to decrease. source Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. source Blamed everyone but themselves for the murder of an innocent person during the Manus Island riots. Contractors, locals and even the victims were blamed. The report identified at least one of the murderers, but he has not been charged with murder. source source Slashed $560,000 from the Refugee Council of Australia. source source Supported Japan’s moves to remove the pacifist parts of their constitution, claiming that the creation of an offensive Japanese military force will help regional stability and peace. (Japan only has a self defence force.) source Offered money to Manus Island detainees if they voluntarily returned to the war crimes, genocide, torture and persecution that they originally fled from. When in opposition the government opposed these same payments. source source Refused to comment about American drone strikes which killed 2 Australians. source Funded PNG’s defence against a legal challenge to the Manus Island detention centre. source Redirected $4 million from the Child Sex Abuse Royal Commission to the Home Insulation Inquiry. source Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) source Tried to scrap the Asbestos Safety and Eradication Agency. source Confiscated medication from asylum seeker detainees. A 3 year old consequently suffered repeated seizures. source source source Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. source Tried to introduce a $7 fee for each time you go to see a GP. They claimed $7 is simultaneously large enough to act as a deterrent (thereby saving money), and small enough that it won’t deter poor, sick people from getting help. source source source Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. source Lied about the presence of a full time psychiatrist on Manus Island. source Cut over $900 million from local council funding. source Scrapped tax breaks for people with a dependent spouse. source Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. source Scrapped The Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership. source Cut $170 million from the Research Training Scheme, which supported research students. source source Spent $12 million to investigate whether to sell off a department for $6 billion, when it makes $0.538 billion per year. source Cut $15 million from Charles Sturt University’s dental health program and oral clinic. source Cut $2.5 billion from aged care programs, such as Meals On Wheels. source Removed financial rewards which encouraged Universities to enroll disadvantaged students. source Scrapped the National Rental Affordability Scheme. source Cut Sunday penalty rates for casual restaurant workers. source Cut $16 million from ANSTO, Australia’s only nuclear research facility, and our only source of medical isotopes. source Slashed $1.1 million used to fight against animal abuse. source Made $110 million of broad-sweeping cuts to the Arts. The only organisation to receive more funding ($1 million more) is coincidentally chaired by the daughter of Rupert Murdoch. source source Cut $28.2 million from the Australia Council, which provides grants for the arts. source Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. source Scrapped the National Water Commission. source Scrapped the National Preventive Health Agency’s $2.9 million National Tobacco Campaign. source Broke an election promise to have over one million roofs with solar panels. source source Broke an election promise by cutting billions from school funding and committing to even less of the Gonski reforms than they did at the election. source source source source Scrapped a program to encourage graduates to take up work in places of need. source Cut $1.3 billion from seniors concessions funding. source Scrapped the Community Food Safety campaign. source Cut $2.3 million from contributions to the World Health Organization. source Scrapped a program which encouraged Australian video game development. source Tried to deregulate university fees, thereby allowing Universities to charge what they want. Students would end up with American levels of crippling debt. Many of the politicians behind this policy received their degrees for free. Average student debt is expected to rise to $100,000, even though Abbott himself said “it is irresponsible to saddle Australians with $25,000 of debt”. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source source source Scrapped the Women’s leadership program. source Broke an election promise by cutting well over $15 billion per year from health funding. source source source source Scrapped the Australian Organ and Tissue Donation and Transplantation Authority, which has helped increase organ donation rates. source Tightened eligibility and lowered indexation for support for injured Veterans. source source Scrapped the Commonwealth Human Rights Education Program. source Scrapped the Education Department’s Online Diagnostic Tools Program, which helped improve teachers’ productivity. source Cut $4.4 million from job interview workshop programs. source Scrapped the Office of Water Science research program. source Reduced the Medicare optometry rebate. source Spent $480 million merging the Department of Immigration and Customs into Border Force, which won’t have to follow public service or Defence Force laws and protocols of conduct. source source Simultaneously increased the cost of petrol and cut funding for public transport. The government argued that disadvantaged people can’t afford cars anyway, so they won’t be hurt by the changes. source source source Scrapped Youth Connections, a program which helped disengaged youth reconnect with work and education. source Removed family tax benefits for children older than 6, and drastically reduced the income threshold for its eligibility and froze it below interest rates. source source Cut $845.6 million from programs which fund innovative start-ups. source Stopped giving under 25s Newstart. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this will violate our human rights obligations. source source source Spent $218 million upgrading Christmas Island’s asylum seeker operations, so that we can whisk off vulnerable people out of side quicker before we start abusing them. source Halved the $2.55 billion emissions reduction fund. source Cut $2 billion from Australian Renewable Energy Agency, Landcare and other environmental agencies. source Cut over half a billion from Indigenous spending. source Cut 16,500 public service jobs, despite promising to create one million new jobs. source Cut the Exotic Diseases program. source Ended the Get Reading! program. source Scrapped the Centre for Quality Teaching. source Cut $111 million from the CSIRO. source source source Cut $120 million from ethanol and biofuel programs. source source Cut all funding to NICTA, a peak ICT technology research company. Coincidentally, NICTA publicly criticised the Coalition’s NBN only a few weeks earlier, claiming fibre-to-node is an inferior option. source source Cut welfare for young people, so they have to survive on $0 per week for 6 months, before being put on a welfare scheme which is below the poverty line anyway. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this breaches our human rights obligations. source source source source source Set aside $245 million for religious chaplains in schools. Secular schools were stripped of the option of hiring a secular equivalent. No guarantees have been made about preventing heterosexist teachings that will make queer students feel sinful and ashamed. (Queer students are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.) Hundreds of secular social workers will lose their jobs. source source source source Scrapped the First Home Buyer’s Account scheme, which provided sorely needed assistance for young people to buy homes. source Broke an election promise by tightening disability pension eligibility and financially penalising anyone who spends at least 4 weeks overseas. source source source Broke an election promise by changing age pension indexation, and eligibility age, and the threshold. source source source Abolished the position of disability commissioner, then created the position of wind farm commissioner. source source Cut all funding to the government’s only dedicated disability website. source source Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC. source source source Cut foreign aid, again. This time by $7.6 billion. source Started charging interest on HECS. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source Reduced the income threshold where graduates start to pay back HECS. source source Cut $138 million from the Australian Federal Police, resulting in 335 job losses. source Scrapped a loan scheme which helped apprentices buy the tools they need to learn and work. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after an unexploded wartime shell was found inside the compound. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after it was leaked that some guards physically and verbally assault children regularly. source Failed to provide adequate medical treatment to asylum seekers on Manus Island who were shot and bashed by locals that invaded the camp and rioted. source source Went $1 million (67%) over budget on the Commision of Audit, an investigation into how taxpayer money can be spent more prudently. source Cut $15 million from Flinders Hospital, then spent $10 million upgrading the field for the Manly Rugby League team. source Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC). source source source Described wind farms as “utterly offensive” and “a blight on the landscape”. source Spent $20 million on an international campaign to discourage people from fleeing war crimes, genocide and other persecution. source Broke an election promise by proposing a deficit tax. source Chose not to debrief any Manus Island detention centre staff after the riots by PNG locals which resulted in the death of one asylum seeker and the hospitalisation of dozens more. source Paid people $1500 per person per day to recommend spending cuts. source Deliberately ignored desperate and repeated pleas by security personnel on Manus Island and the commander of Operation Sovereign Borders requesting stronger fencing, CCTV cameras and better lighting. These requests were made months before locals broke down the fences, shot, stabbed and bashed detainees, none of which was caught on CCTV footage. source Tried to abolish the independent national charity regulation body, which would mean the government would regulate charities, possibly resulting in less impartial regulation. For example, environmental groups stripped of charity status because they oppose government policies. source Removed climate change from the agenda of the 2014 international G20 summit. source Spent about $2 million for Prince William and Kate’s 14 day royal visit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source source Spent $3 billion on new drones to patrol our borders, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent $7.5 million on life boats to send back asylum seekers in. Allegedly the motivation behind the government’s asylum seeker policy is to stop people drowning when travelling from neighbouring countries to Australia in unsafe vessels. Despite this, much of the safety equipment was removed from the boats before sending asylum seekers back into the ocean. source source Prevented internet supplier TPG from installing fibre all the way to customers. The arbitrary bureaucratic hurdles have increased the cost of fibre to premise by 15%. source source Broke an election promise by no longer guaranteeing NBN speeds higher than what ADSL can provide. source Retroactively introduced legislation to classify someone born in Australia as an “unauthorised maritime arrival” because their parents haven’t had their asylum claims processed yet. source source Scrapped a body which provides advice on over $1 billion in tax breaks that are designed to encourage Research and Development, despite promising during the election to improve incentives for Research and Development investment. source Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. source Cut over 300 jobs (about 1 in 3) in the Treasury department. source Cut 400 jobs in the Department of Industry. source Removed anti-sweatshop laws and cut all funding to Ethical Clothing Australia. source Closed all Medicare offices on Saturdays. source Ceased legal assistance for people exercising their right to make a claim for asylum. source Cut 250 jobs from the Federal Environment Department. source source Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. source Increased the eligibility age for the pension. source Claimed that the average electricity bill will be $200 per year lower without the price on carbon, despite relevant power companies rejecting the magnitude of this figure. source Implemented a policy which dictates that public servants should be sacked if they criticise the government in social media, even if their profile does not mention the their employment, and even if the profile is completely anonymous. source source source Chose not to give 300 children almost any schooling during 9 months of detention. source source Threatened staff against speaking out about the mismanagement of the Manus Island detention centre and the attacks against it’s inmates by locals and staff. source Detained people in conditions so inhumane and horrid that three pregnant women asked for abortions, to stop their children suffering in detention indefinitely. The Government has refused to comment. source source Chose not to process any claims for asylum from people detained on Manus Island. source Claimed that all social media is anonymous. source Chose to keep secret the interim report into the riots inside the Manus Island detention centre. source source Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. source Claimed the government will be $13.7 billion better off if the Mining Tax is scrapped, even though the scrapping the tax itself would actually result in a net loss If $3.7 billion. The only savings would be through other cuts hidden in the repeal bill. The biggest of which is the Schoolkids Bonus (an initiative which was never associated with the Mining Tax). The government claims the average household will be better off, but the average household will be $3500 worse off due to repealed subsidies and tax breaks. source source Interfered with the judicial process by transferring asylum seekers to a remote detention centre the day before they started a court case against the Australian Government. The case was about how the government endangered them and their families by accidentally publishing personal details about their asylum claims online. source source Spent more money on detention centres than it would cost to house asylum seekers in Sydney’s most expensive 5 star hotels (per asylum seeker per day). source Started charging people who put in bankruptcy applications, and increased the levy on money earned post-bankruptcy. source Broke international laws by arbitrarily imprisoning children. source Scrapped a program to give asylum seekers free advice on how to navigate Australia’s immigration bureaucracy when exercising their right to seek asylum. The justification for this scrapping was based on the false claim that asylum seekers are illegal. source source source source Tried to reintroduce temporary protection visas. source source Ignored an order from the United Nations Human Rights Committee to release some asylum seekers who are being illegally held without proof or judicial protection, in cruel, inhumane or degrading circumstance. source Reintroduced the British system of knights and dames, only 3 months after saying they would not do so. source Spent $211,000 on public relations staff to make the Medibank Private sale more palatable to the public. source Sold Medibank Private for $4 billion, even though that means the government will lose up to $0.5 billion per year of income from dividends. source source Claimed that all Australians have the “right to be a bigot”. source Refused to grant a human rights lawyer access to the Manus Island detention centre. source Backed PNG’s decision to cancel a human rights inquiry into the Manus Island detention centre. source Issued Manus island detention centre guards with knives designed for noose cutting, because they frequently need to cut down people who try to hang themselves thanks to of the horrid conditions. source source Tried to exempt loggers in Tasmania’s World Heritage forests from the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act, so they won’t have to worry about killing threatened species. source Claimed that the majority of asylum seekers on Manus island won’t be given refugee status, even though more than 90% of all asylum seekers who’ve come to Australia since mid 2009 were eventually found to be genuine refugees, fleeing torture, rape, genocide and persecution. source source Vowed to revive a part of WorkChoices which means construction Industry Enterprise Bargaining Agreements don’t apply to subcontractors doing Commonwealth work. source Refused to support a UN proposal to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. If such crimes been committed, the Abbott government will be guilty of crimes against humanity for forcefully sending refugees back to Sri Lanka, and for actively helping the Sri Lankan military stop people from fleeing their rape, torture and genocide. A Sri Lankan Tribunal has already proven that the Sri Lankan government is guilty of genocide. source source source source source Failed to provide running water to some toilets in the detention centre on Manus Island. source Spent $25 million extending the contracts of the crew on one ship so they could be part of Operation Sovereign Borders. source Provided no soap in the Manus Island detention centre and regularly gave asylum seekers worm infested food. source Proposed amendments to the Racial Discrimination Act so that people who “offend” or “insult” someone because of their “race, colour or national or ethnic origin” will not be legally required to pay compensation. source source Gave $100 million to Australia’s 2 most profitable mining companies, to build a mine which isn’t even in Australia, despite claiming “the age of entitlement is over”, and despite refusing to give corporate welfare to struggling companies who have to sack hundreds of workers. source source source Prevented journalists from interviewing asylum seekers injured in the Manus Island riots. source Lied thrice in one BBC interview by claiming that the Abbott government is considering settling asylum seekers in Australia, and claiming that children in detention go to school, and claiming that asylum seekers on Manus Island are having their claims processed. None of these claims are true. source Cut all welfare ($260,000) for orphans of defence force casualties. source source source Gave state governments an ultimatum: sell off government assets before a certain deadline, (regardless of whether the people or the state government want to) or miss out on billions of dollars of funding. The states would not be allowed to use the money from the sales to pay off debt. Reluctant states were told they could still access federal funds through environmental programs that the Federal Government is trying to scrap. source source source source Justified the logging of forests currently on the world heritage list because Christianity supposedly tells us “the environment is meant for man”. source Ripped $140 billion out of Australians’ superannuation accounts through loosening of consumer protection rules regarding financial planning. source Deported the mother of a 4 year old Australian citizen, thereby separating the child permanently from her only remaining guardian. source Stopped collecting data on gender equality in the workplace. source Threatened to block government funding from arts groups who refuse sponsorship from corporations the artists deem unethical. source Lied to the United Nations about the quality of the Tasmanian forests they want removed from the world heritage list. source Claimed no Sri Lankan asylum seekers have been sent back into danger, despite being in possession of documents which prove at least one asylum seeker was tortured after being forcefully sent back. A Sri Lankan tribunal recently proved that the Sri Lankan government was guilty of genocide. The United Nations Human Rights Commission is currently investigating war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. source source source Suggested most existing major roads should introduce tolls. source Spent $24 billion on new, buggy, spontaneously combusting fighter jets, already years behind schedule, which aren’t going to be built in Australia. The jets can’t run off warm fuel from a truck which has been sitting in the sun (since the fuel tank is used as a heat sink). The software for firing the guns won’t be ready until 3 years after deployment. The software has not passed a security audit. Each plane holds less than 3 seconds of ammunition for the guns. source source source source source source Failed to supply enough food to asylum seekers inside the detention centre on Manus Island. source Secretly defeated an international nuclear disarmament treaty, arguing against a sentence in the treaty which stated that it is in the interests of humanity that nuclear weapons never be used again “under any circumstances”. Australia argued that a disarmament treaty would be less effective at reducing proliferation than having no disarmament treaty. source Kept secret the taxpayer funded 900 page Audit commission report which recommended tightening eligibility for seniors health cards. source Tried to scrap the price on carbon, even though the emissions of relevant companies have dropped by 7% due to the price. source Declined an offer from the Uniting Church to care for unaccompanied refugee children currently in detention centres. The church offered to feed house and clothe them free of charge. source Ridiculed the notion that the minister for women should identify as a feminist. source Started 5 audits of the NBN within the first 7 months of being in power. source Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. source Claimed that loggers are “the ultimate conservationists” during a speech about why the government will not create more national parks. In the same speech Abbott lamented that we have “too much locked up forest”. There are currently over 1000 innocent children locked up in detention centres, presumably this is not “too much”. source source Blamed Qantas job losses on the carbon tax, even though a Qantas spokesman said “Qantas’ current issues are not related to carbon pricing”. source Finally admitted that “Operation Sovereign Borders” is a civilian operation not a military one. source Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. source Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. source Spent over $8 million each year on salaries alone for 95 media staff for the department of Immigration, despite the fact that the department tells the media almost nothing. Those same staff spent over $9,000 in just 2 months monitoring the media for transcripts of their own minister’s press conferences. source source Proposed a “green army” comprised of young people paid less than half of minimum wage without normal workplace protections. source source Cut $3 million in funding for a program to save an endangered rhino species of which there are only 100 left. source Referred to our humanitarian immigration program as “Operation Sovereign Murders”. source Defended spending $3.5 million on a tent kitchen on Manus Island. source Sent asylum seekers back to Indonesia, 3 of which later died trying to cross a river in the jungle they landed next to. source Defended the Manus Island scheme during a press conference about the man who was shot dead in our detention centres by claiming the government is “ending the deaths” of asylum seekers. More refugees have died on Manus island than have been settled. source source Chose not to send any representatives to the Partnership for Market Readiness assembly, a conference which Australia helped fund which is about market mechanisms to curb emissions. source Appointed someone to head the investigation into the Manus Island riots who claimed that rape victims in Manus Island detention centres receive better treatment than Australians. source Planned a doubling of the defence force’s annual budget, increasing it by $24 billion, despite the supposed budget emergency and after the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. source source source source source Defied legislation by not appointing the Climate Change Authority to run the investigation into the Renewable Energy Target. source Blamed electricity price rises on the renewable energy target, despite their own modelling predicting that is will reduce electricity prices in the long term, and Energy Australia stating that it has suppressed prices since it was created. source source source Forced Manus Island staffers to lie to detainees. source Placed an ex-officer of the Sri Lanka army in charge of the Manus Island detention centre, which holds people fleeing the Sri Lanka army’s war crimes and genocide. source source Spent $13.3 million on floating hotels for detention centre staff on Manus island. source Admitted the information given about the Manus detention centre riots was drastically wrong. source source Convinced Cambodia (one of the poorest countries in our region) to take in some of the refugees currently in our detention centres. Serious human rights abuse continue to be committed regularly under the Cambodian government and military. source source source source source Purchased 8 new Poseidon aircraft totalling $4 billion despite the “budget emergency”. source source Guarded the body of a dead asylum seeker using guards who were possibly the ones that shot him. Those same guards confiscated a camera from a journalist on site then deleted all his photos. source Blamed the Carbon Tax for job losses at Alcoa’s aluminium smelter, despite Alcoa being 94.5% exempt from the tax, and despite Alcoa explicitly stating that “the carbon tax was not a factor in the decision”. source Accidentally published personal details about almost 10,000 asylum seekers and their claims. Regardless of whether the original asylum claims were genuine, if those asylum seekers are returned to their country of origin, they and their family may be imprisoned, tortured or killed because governments and militias in their country of origin will know they sought asylum. After discovering the blunder, the government took 13 days to remove the information from public view. As part of a press release about the accidental leak the government made public further information about where to find the still life threatening document. source source source source source source Eventually admitted that Navy ships “inadvertently” crossed into Indonesian waters despite using high tech GPS navigation, then they made the exact same mistake again 5 times. The government chose to not even interview any crew members of one such ship when writing a report on the matter. source source source Removed poverty reduction from the goals of the foreign affairs department, which manages foreign aid. source Paid their own indigenous employees substantially less than non-indigenous co-workers despite promising to help “close the gap”. source Deleted negative comments on the Department of Immigration’s Facebook page, but left objectively false comments, such as claims that asylum seeking is illegal. source source Denied responsibility after Manus Island detention centre guards let in a mob of locals, resulting in an asylum seeker being shot and dozens more injured. Injuries included slit throats, machete wounds and eyes hanging from sockets. source source source source source Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole. source source Annoyed the Navy by having the immigration minister tour naval bases like a defence minister would. source Promised to continue with their NBN plan even if a cost-benefit analysis (which is yet to be done) shows it does not give a worthwhile return on investment. source Chose a climate change denier to lead a review of the renewable energy target. source Denied any link between droughts and climate change. source Spent $4.3 million on market research to gauge public opinion on social media and other outlets about government policies. source source Proposed greater government control over the internet, including the power to order ISPs to block specific sites. source source Granted the Environment Minister retrospective legal immunity against court challenges alleging he failed to consider expert environmental advice before approving damaging mining projects. i.e. They are undermining the Rule of Law and legislating to allow the Environment Minister to literally ignore the environment. source Exempted Western Australia from federal laws protecting endangered species to allow a shark cull, despite evidence culls do not reduce the frequency of attacks on humans. source Spread propaganda to potential asylum seekers which deliberately make Australia look like a villainous, incompassionate country. The propaganda completely ignores the violence, torture, rape and persecution that causes people to seek asylum. source Disbanded an asylum seeker health panel of 12 experts from a range of fields, replacing it with one military surgeon. The government has refused to comment on the matter. source Alleged that Edward Snowden endangered lives and claimed that Australia does not need any surveillance reform. source source Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. source Cut 500 jobs from the Australian Tax Office. source Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. source Lied about NSW signing on with their independent schools deal. source Proposed the conversion of one quarter of public schools to independent schools. source Claimed “the age of entitlement is over” whilst continuing to give mining companies billions of dollars of subsidies and tax concessions. source source source source source Lied about the working conditions at SPC factories to justify declining financial assistance. source Arbitrarily denied many asylum seekers the right to a lawyer during the interviews where they make their asylum claim. source Withheld asylum seeker arrival numbers to avoid being a “shipping news service for people smugglers”, despite literally advertising those same numbers on a billboard while in opposition. source source source Dismissed out of hand serious allegations that Navy personnel assaulted asylum seekers, based on the supposed moral perfection of those personnel. A recent investigation proved that some of those personnel had sexually assaulted other crew by inserting objects up their arses. The Defence Force and the Immigration Department didn’t even bother interviewing the asylum seekers who made the claims. source source source Embarrassed Australia on the world stage by oversimplifying the Syrian conflict as “goodies vs baddies”. source Appointed yet another straight, white cisgendered male as Governor General. source Called Edward Snowden a traitor. source Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. source Accepted a claim for asylum not because of the merit of the claim but because Cricket Australia wanted the man in their team. source Violated international convention by criticising Labor on the Global stage. source Stole crucial evidence from an Australian lawyer representing East Timor in an international tribunal against Australia relating to our illegal spying on East Timor’s oil deal. source Shut down the 113 year old Australian Valuation Office, thereby making 200 jobs disappear. source Provoked Indonesia so much that they put their air force on standby at the border. source Crossed into Indonesian waters without authorisation again, then abandoned a boat without enough fuel to get to shore, forcing asylum seekers to swim for an hour to get to shore. source Defeated moves to cease the recital of the (Christian) Lord’s prayer at the start of each sitting day of (secular) federal parliament. source Cut all funding from all international environmental programs. source Closed mainland detention centres and moves detainees offshore, citing budget savings as the motivation, even though offshore processing costing almost twice as much as onshore processing. source source source Authorised the Navy to fire over the bows of asylum seeker boats. source Refused to comment on 4 attempted suicides, hunger strikes and many self harm attempts happening simultaneously in detention centres. source Exempted Navy personnel of workplace safety obligations to treat asylum seekers safely, and gave them legal immunity for criminal acts which are committed by order of the government. source Rewrote the school curriculum to make it more right wing. The previous curriculum was developed over many years with extensive consultation. The new curriculum is being written by two people. One thinks “abos” are “human rubbish tips”, called a sexual assault victim a “worthless slut”, and laments that Australia has too many “mussies” and “chinky-poos”. The other has questioned whether migrants and women are disadvantaged, and suggested homosexuality is “unnatural”. source source source Refused to respond to questions from the United Nations about boat tow-backs. source Likened our humanitarian immigration program to war. source Directed that asylum seeker families shall be given the lowest priority for processing, even those who’ve lived in Australia for years. source Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. source Endangered lives, committed maritime piracy and broke other international laws by turning around a boat whose passengers have the right to seek asylum in Australia. The government refused to comment on the matter. Lives were endangered as a result of this move, because the boat ran out of fuel and became stranded. source source source Tried to deport a gay refugee to Pakistan, where he would be imprisoned for life for his sexuality. In doing so the government would have committed human rights abuse by violating the principle of non-refoulement. The man has never lived in Pakistan. source source Threatened to withhold food from families if children don’t stand still for 6 hours per day queuing for food. The food is sometimes served with hands not utensils. source Forced women to queue for a whole day just to get a tampon or pad, only to queue again when they need a fresh one, because they are a fire hazard. The government refused to comment. source Scrapped the Building Multicultural Communities Program. 400 community organizations will now miss out on the promised funding they have already budgeted for. source Cut all funding to Jewish Holocaust Centre ($7,700). source Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. source Quietly reduced instant asset write-off tax breaks for small businesses despite championing themselves as pro-small-business. source Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. source Scrapped the National Intercountry Adoption Advisory Group then 2 months later created the interdepartmental working group on overseas adoption, a body which serves an identical purpose. source Stopped weekly press conferences on asylum seekers. Declined further comment on the matter. source Approved a 6.2% increase in health insurance premiums. source Deliberately omitted 23 questions asked of the immigration minister in a press conference. They have refused to comment further on why those questions were omitted. source Refused requests for medical treatment from a pregnant women in detention who subsequently had a miscarriage. She probably would have had a normal birth had she received the treatment she asked for. The government declined to comment further. source Broke an election promise to send a boat to monitor whaling by instead promising to only send an aircraft. The government subsequently broke that second promise too, allowing whalers to kill endangered whales without any Australian monitoring. source source Broke an election promise by renaming the NDIS, making it “DisablityCare” and renaming the “launch” a “trial”, thereby casting doubt on whether they will even commit to the scheme fully. source Scrapped the AusAid graduate program, requiring the sacking of the newest batch of graduates. source Axed the position of coordinator-general for remote indigenous services. source Approved the construction of gargantuan coal mines in the Galilee Basin, including one in the habitat of an endangered species. If all projects go ahead the emissions released from that coal annually will amount to 130% of what our entire nation currently emits annually. source source source Appointed Tim Wilson as human rights commissioner. He has personally advocated for the abolition of the human rights commission, and his new 6 figure salary is so large that the commission will have to cut education and anti-bullying programs to fund it. source Scrapped the Biodiversity fund. source Cut funding for the National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples, a body of elected representatives of the indigenous people. source Handed $16 million to Cadbury, but refused to give subsidies to Holden, Qantas and SPC Ardmona. Cadbury is owned by a multinational firm whose profits rose by 64% to $74.9 million last year. Coincidentally the Cadbury factory is located in a marginal electorate. source source source Axed the home energy saver scheme, which successfully helped struggling households cut down high electricity bills. source Dismantled the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, the Low Carbon Communities Program and the Caring for our Country Program. source Cut $43.1 Million in legal aid funding, including Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander legal services, community legal services, the UNSW Indigenous Legal Centre and the Family Violence Prevention Legal Services. source source source Cut funding for the Energy Efficiency Program (which was compulsory for large electricity consumers). source Slashed all funding (over $10 million) from the Environmental Defender’s Offices. source Broke an election promise by cutting $150 million from NSW hospitals. source source Axed a scheme to improve the wages of aged care workers. source Scrapped the Wage Connect Program (a scheme which encouraged employers to hire long-term unemployed people). source Broke an election promise for a 25MBi/s National Broadband Network, and announced that it will cost more than they promised. source Broke an election promise to return to surplus by 2016-2017. source Undermined the rule of law by proposing a “code of conduct” for refugees living in Australia, despite the fact refugees commit fewer crimes per person than the national average. source source source Failed to take any action in response to Snowden’s leaks showing that the Australian Government is helping the USA spy on all Australians. source Repealed poker machine laws designed to address gambling addiction. source Planned the unwinding of the World Heritage protection of Tasmanian forests despite opposition from the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania. source Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. source Threatened queer detainees in PNG by saying they will be reported to local police if they engage in homosexual acts. Homosexuality is illegal in PNG. Such threats mean refugees fleeing persecution because of their sexual orientation are not able to make their asylum claim without fear of arrest. This counts as human rights abuse because it violates the principle of non-refoulement and strips people of their right to safely make a claim for asylum. The government has refused to comment further. source source source Terminated their deal with the Salvation Army to provide humanitarian assistance with those on Manus Island and Nauru. Consequently 300 people lost their job. The government has refused to comment further. source Disbanded IHAG, a group that provides advice about the health of asylum seeker detainees, which helps combat the rising rates of mental illness and self harm. The government has refused to comment further. source Approved the expansions for Abbott Point coal port, which requires dumping 3 million tonnes of dredge spoil onto the Great Barrier Reef, thereby threatening the Queensland’s entire tourism industry and hospitality industry, and the reef’s heritage status. source source Removed the Murray Darling from the list of threatened ecological communities. source Signed a trade agreement with South Korea that allows foreign companies to sue the Australian government if it implements policies which adversely affect their business (e.g. for environmental or anti-sweatshop reasons). source Removed the requirement for the government to consider advice about the protection of endangered species when approving projects. source Detained innocent asylum seekers in conditions so horrible they amount to torture according to Amnesty International. 500ml of water per person per day, in a shadeless tropical island, with mental illness rates of over 30% and no soap despite rampant gastro. source Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). source Incorrectly defined metadata as billing data only, when it actually includes email subject headings, location data, financial transaction details and more. source source source Called for privatisation of electricity networks, despite evidence showing it does not lower power bills. source source Cut $3 billion in welfare for students, the elderly and families. source source Scrapped the Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, despite the fact our population is aging. source Secretly changed voting position at the UN regarding the Israel and Palestine issue without telling anyone. source Abandoned Gonski agreements with states and committed to 3 fewer years of Gonski than their pre-election promise. source Broke an election promise by scrapping the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council of Australia. The government spent $1 million on administrative costs to do so, even though the council only received $1.6 million in funding per year. source Cut $4.5 billion in foreign aid. source source Tried to scrap the $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corp, even though it provides $110 million per year in net revenue to the government. source Disbanded AusAid (the foreign aid body), merging the remainder into the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. source Ceased reporting births and clinical depression in detention centers. Downgraded self harm. source Forcefully and unapologetically separated a mother and her newborn child. source Cut $300 million from child care staff subsidies. source Introduced a bill which allows for unpaid union officials in elected roles to be jailed for up to 5 years and fined up to $340,000. source Cut $2.3 billion from higher education, and removed start-up scholarships (thereby significantly increasing the debt of the poorest students) and removed the 10% HECS discount for paying up-front. source Increased superannuation tax for the poor, and decreased it for the rich. source Tried to scrap the school kids tax concession (thereby increasing the cost of living for families by $16,000 per school child over their education). source Withdraw all Commonwealth funding for Commonwealth supported places at University. source Scrapped the Australian Animals Welfare Advisory Committee, Commonwealth Firearms Advisory Council, International Legal Services Advisory Council, National Steering Committee on Corporate Wrongdoing, Antarctic Animal Ethics Committee, Advisory Panel on the Marketing in Australia of Infant Formula, High Speed Rail Advisory Group, Maritime Workforce Development Forum, Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, Insurance Reform Advisory Group and National Housing Supply Council (all in one day). source Provided $2.2 million for miners and farmers to fight against native title claims. source Cut $435 million from the Renewable Energy Agency. source Unwound same sex marriage laws in ACT. source source Scrapped the Social Inclusion Board (an anti-poverty advisory group). source Used Wikipedia as a source to support a claim which was actually contradicted by Wikipedia. source source Declared bushfires unrelated to climate change. source source Mandated that all public servants should incorrectly refer to boat arrivals as “illegal”. source source source Sent no one important to the international climate summit. The people who did go went in tee-shirts, giggled and were so insensitive and disrespectful that there was a walkout by other countries. source Proposed privatising HECS. source Tried to raise the debt ceiling by $200 billion. source Moved to protect companies from boycotts against them (e.g. for using slave labour or destroying the environment) thereby undermining the foundation of capitalism by reducing consumer power. source source Kept Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations secret, even though it threatens the very foundations of our democracy. The leaked agreement would allow international companies to sue governments if their profits are diminished by environmental, indigenous land rights or anti-child-sweatshop laws. The TPP would give corporations many of the same rights that individuals have. There is no expiration date or separation clause, so once signed, it’s here forever. source source source Broke an election promise by trying to scrap the 2020 emissions target. source source Scrapped the Climate coalition. source Cut 600 CSIRO staff. source Donated $2 million worth of patrol boats to help Sri Lanka stop people fleeing proven genocide, human rights abuse, war crimes and extra judicial killings. source source source source Excused torture in Sri Lanka. source Chose not to appoint a minister for science, for the first time in half a century. source Appointed a man as minister for women who said “I don’t support womens’ causes”. source source Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:18:16
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700257
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

2020 was the year I was glad to have states no matter what DV says/

+1

True enough.

…and even more so in the US of A.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:18:27
From: sibeen
ID: 1700258
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

I am one of the 48% (I thought it was 49%) who’s representatives get shut down in Parliament.

You do realise that’s what normally happens to the losing side in every election no matter which side wins.

Complaining that the side you support gets shut down in parliament seems fairly silly to me.

I didn’t vote for Scomo, so I’m not one of the 52%, or whatever the figure actually is, but I respect the democratic vote.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:18:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700259
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

I am one of the 48% (I thought it was 49%) who’s representatives get shut down in Parliament.

yeah it’s always about the Man At The Top and that fella is everything

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:18:50
From: Kingy
ID: 1700260
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source Lied by claiming they had implemented the majority of recommendations from the Banking Royal Commission, when they had only completed a minority. source Removed the names of many Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from the register of stranded Australians. source Deleted warnings of dangerous right-wing extremism in a senate motion about extremism, despite advice from ASIO that it is a serious and growing threat. source Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. source Offered foreign gas companies $50 million to extract gas from the Northern Territory. source Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. source Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. source Wound back consumer protections introduced as a result of the banking royal commission. source Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. source Voted against hanging the aboriginal flag in parliament during NAIDOC week. source source Loosened enterprise bargaining laws to allows employers to introduce new agreements which are not “better off overall” for employees, in ordinary circumstances not just exceptional ones. source source Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. source Spent money chartering a RAAF flight from Sydney to Canberra, even though Qantas services that route frequently at a seventeenth of the price. source Voted against an inquiry into the privatisation and corporatisation of essential public services. source source Invented new non-standard metrics to measure NBN performance, which make Australia appear to rank higher than otherwise. source Refused to publish a $2.5 million evaluation of the cashless welfare card system because the evaluation found that the $80 million program was not clearly effective. source Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland. source source Merged the Family Court with the Federal Circuit Court. source source source Introduced a scheme to pay community broadcasters to give up spectrum rights, and possibly force the SBS and ABC to give up their spectrum rights, without any plan for alternate uses for those frequencies. source source Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). source Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. source Spent $256 million just to add facial recognition as a login option for government services. source source Cut funding for Homelessness Australia by $41 million, during a recession. source source Introduced instant asset write off tax breaks for businesses during COVID, which will cost over $30 billion, to boost the economy by only $10 billion. source Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. source Introduced a new benchmark system for superannuation funds, to penalise funds that perform relatively poorly in the short term. This means that if some funds make high risk, high return investments, everyone else is incentivised to follow, like lemmings running off a cliff. source Added new rules to force superannuation funds to maximise returns regardless of anything else, which is a step towards disallowing super funds from having ethical and environmental screening, such as not investing in weapons manufacturing, or companies with slavery in their supply lines etc. It’s unclear how any fund can comply with this requirement without choosing maximum-risk investments. source Lied by claiming that a maritime union strike at a port was delaying medical supplies, when the strikers were still processing medical and perishable supplies. source source Increased administrative payments to job finding agencies, totalling $300 million during the pandemic. source Abandoned the prominent goal of a government surplus after repeatedly failing to deliver one 6 years in a row, eventually printing several hundred billion dollars during the pandemic (through bond sales), converting to policy that aligns more with Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). source source source Introduced the Underwriting New Generation Investment Program, which is specifically designed to deliver new electricity generators whose business cases don’t add up (even when ignoring negative externalities), by pushing the risk onto taxpayers whilst keeping the profit privatised (i.e. corporate socialism). source source Tried to spend $3.3 million on a feasibility study grant for subsidising a new coal generator. The company who would build it have no relevant experience. The grant criteria was written after the government decided that they would give the money to this company. Previous feasibility studies have shown that the project is too risky and unprofitable for the private sector. It’s also not eligible for the government’s own Underwriting New Generation Investment program. The government claimed this new generator will reduce power prices for regional Queenslanders specifically, but there is only one wholesale electricity price for all of Queensland, and it’s already 50% cheaper than the cost of new coal generation. source source Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%. source source source source source source Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data. source source Introduced a bill to allow the government to cancel any international agreements between universities, councils, sports institutions and other countries. source source Wound back consumer protections and responsible lending obligations for mortgage brokers which were introduced in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. source source Cut $2 billion in funding for university research, including funding for medical research during the pandemic. source Prevented Australian universities from receiving JobKeeper payments, whilst paying JobSeeker money to a foreign university. (University education is Australia’s third largest export.) source source Loosened corporate financial disclosure rules during the pandemic, preventing investors from lodging class actions against companies who mislead the market through omission of important information. source Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. source source Paid 10 times higher than market rate to buy some land new the new Western Sydney Airport several decades earlier than necessary, after getting a valuation done only by a valuer suggested by the seller. source source Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. source Defined the eligibility criteria for the JobKeeper scheme so loosely that millions of dollars from the government which were supposed to subsidise employees’ jobs were funneled straight out as dividends and bonuses to company shareholders and executives. source source Loosened political donation laws. source source Chose to ignore and not fix a security vulnerability in myGovID, which arose because the chosen authentication protocol is bespoke and does not match standard practice. source Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister. source source Tried to use money allocated for renewable power on new fossil fuel generators. source Tried to redefine what “investment” means in legislation, to allow the government to hand cash to fossil fuel companies, even when they are unprofitable and uneconomic, which demonstrates a strong ideological bias towards certain fuel types, with reckless disregard for economics. source Created red tape which will make it harder for individuals to take class actions against companies which have broken the law. This goes directly against the Coalition’s stated values, which include slashing red tape, and relying on free market solutions (such as class actions) to minimise bad corporate behavior (as opposed to direct legislation). source Spent $2 million on legal fees trying to prosecute a whistleblower who leaked truthful information about serious corruption and crime, which was clearly in the public’s interest. source Voted against a binding code of conduct to ensure politicians act with integrity. source Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy, recommended by an independent body, after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. source Proposed cutting HECS support for TAFE and university students who fail too many courses, which will give institutions a strong financial incentive to pass students who don’t deserve their qualification, whilst also disproportionately disincentivising disadvantaged students from enrolling, such as students from families with no history of tertiary qualifications. source source Opposed a United Nations inquiry into racism and police brutality in the USA. This is in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, when American law enforcement officials wearing no insignia were kidnapping random protestors from the street without due process, and American cops were assaulting journalists, and breaking into multiple innocent people’s homes to shoot them in their sleep. The Coalition government doesn’t want the United Nations to make a big deal out of these systemic incidents. source source source source More than doubled the cost of some university degrees, decreasing the government’s contribution to exactly $0. source source Wasted $10 million on developing a new “made in Australia” logo to replace the well-known kangaroo in a green triangle, only to discard the new, generic looking logo because it looks like the COVID-19 virus. source Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. source Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. source Prevented the Senate from discussing whether to implement the remaining recommendations from the 1991 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody. source Failed to stop the only boat that has posed a real and substantial risk to Australia’s national security. The government chose to grant an exemption to the Ruby Princess cruise ship, resulting in a hundreds of new COVID cases around the country. source Hurt barley farmers by antagonising the Chinese government, who retaliated by slapping an 80% tariff on barley exports. source Suspended requirements that commercial television stations produce at least some content in Australia to create Australian jobs. source Announced $50 million in funding to help the Australian film industry cope during the pandemic, but failed to publish any instructions on how eligible, impacted workers or companies can access these funds. source Increased military spending by $270 billion over 10 years, when the economy and our society were struggling to cope with the pandemic and the worst recession since The Great Depression. source Wasted $20.8 billion by investing $29.5 billion in the NBN so poorly that the end result is valued by the Parliamentary Budget Office at only $8.7 billion. source source Drafted the Religious Discrimination Bill which would allow employers and vendors to make statements of belief, such as a baker telling a same sex couple requesting a wedding cake that they believe the couple will burn in hell, or telling a job interviewee that their religious belief is like a mental disorder. source source source Introduced a new online service for helping allocated assets during a divorce, which uses a proprietary, immature, inscrutable black-box technology just because it’s a popular buzz word these days. source source Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden. source source source Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. source Broke an election promise about providing a trading system to help dairy farmers be more fairly compensated for milk production. source Falsely attributed COVID infection rate success to the buggy, insecure, privacy-invading COVIDSafe app, even though the only cases detected by the app had already been detected by more traditional contact tracing methods, which are faster and more effective. source source Took 21 days to fix a known security vulnerability in the COVIDSafe app. source Reduced the competitiveness of Australia’s technology industry by passing laws which allow the government to force back doors into Australian software products, which makes foreign customers less likely to buy them. The same drop in sales that decimated Huawei is now hurting Australian companies. source Released the COVIDSafe app with a known bug that makes it useless on iPhones when the phone is locked. source source source Ignored security best practices when deploying the COVIDSafe app, choosing not to run a bug bounty, and choosing not to publish the source code promptly, despite promises to do so, which lead to multiple vulnerabilities being discovered by researchers far later than they should have been. source source source Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt. source source Lied when claiming that the USA government cannot view sensitive COVIDSafe data, even though the American encryption back-door laws that allow the US government to force Amazon to hand over the data are the exact same laws which were the inspiration for Australia’s recent encryption back-door legislation. source Cancelled The Rule of Law by preventing journalists from reporting on a case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated. source source Wasted $96 million on administration costs for a single tender, to decide who to sell our own immigration visa system to, only to cancel the plan because privatising an essential service which can only ever be a monopoly is obviously a bad idea. source Introduced a new tax, to incentivise non-NBN users to migrate to the expensive NBN. source Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. source Proposed issuing fines of up to $50,000 to innocent people not suspected of a crime if they don’t hand over passwords for their personal devices to law enforcement. When law enforcement unlock a device after demanding a password, they typically don’t let the user see what was done, don’t tell them what was done, and don’t allow them to call a lawyer to find out their rights. In one case a Border Force officer looked through a series of nude photographs of someone’s partner, without the consent of the user or person in the photo, made inappropriate comments, and possibly made nonconsentual copies of the photos. If a citizen not suspected of a crime withholds a password to prevent this, they’ll be fined. source source Introduced new laws which allow ASIO officers to spy on Australian citizens without getting approval from a judge or anyone independent, and without filing paperwork anywhere. source Introduced new laws which prevent someone suspected of a crime from choosing their own lawyer. source Lied by claiming that only a small range of law enforcement agencies will be able to access data under the metadata retention laws, but actually allowed Centrelink, local councils, education councils and the RSPCA to access it. source Repeatedly approved requests by BHP to increase their greenhouse emissions limits. source Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. source Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose primary industry is neither website building nor education. source Ceased payments to the United Nations climate change fund. source Rejected a request for increasing aerial firefighting funding in the months prior to one of the most lethal bushfire seasons in history. The government claimed “other priorities” in the Department of Home Affairs were more important. The department’s other expenditure includes paying people to snoop through nudes in the phones of Australians not suspected of a crime, and spending $30 million to house one family for a few months. The fires killed 34 people and destroyed almost 10,000 homes. source source source Blamed an unusually bad bushfire season on unprecedented arson, when the evidence suggests most fires were started by lightening. source source Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. source Committed crimes against humanity according to the International Criminal Court at the Hague. source Failed to declare a property worth $1 million in a minister’s declaration of interests. source Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1 million in another minister’s declaration of interests. source Lied about data retention laws, claiming only metadata would be captured (e.g. domain name), when actually full URLs are captured, which includes detail such as the specific queries you give to Google, and specific videos you watch on PornHub. source Lied during an election ad, claiming 6 councils would be eligible for $1 million drought relief grants, when they weren’t. source Asked gay asylum seekers whether they could simply stay in the closet in their home country to avoid persecution, in a legally unsound attempt to find grounds for asylum rejection. source Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. source Lied by claiming that cops who abuse data retention powers will be punished, when hundreds of instances of abuse have gone unpunished. source Claimed that their data retention laws would be used mostly for terrorism and child abuse cases, when it actually is used mostly for drug offenses. source Proposed expanding the scope of data retention laws to include MAC addresses. Since MAC addresses are hard coded into each device’s hardware, this would enable continuous location tracking of everyone’s mobile phone. source Lied by claiming that tax cuts would be paid sooner than the passing of the relevant legislation. source Ceased assessing and listing key threats to native species. source Closed down a bushfire research centre, weeks after Australia’s worst ever bushfire season, which killed 34 people and destroyed over 9000 homes. source Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices. source source source source source Mislead the public by claiming they achieved a surplus, when they were referring to a prediction of a surplus in the future based on overly optimistic assumptions and ignoring reasonably predictable risks such as bushfire and drought. source Tried to count oil owned by Australia stored in the US towards the 90 day emergency stockpile we’re required to hold. source source Lied by claiming the MyGov website was taken down by a DDOS attack, admitting only hours later that it was due to the more obvious reason, which was a sudden, drastic and entirely predictable increase in legitimate load. source source Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. source Paid a reality TV star $260k per year to be a “career ambassador”. This is to promote vocational training as a career choice for young Australians, after they repeatedly cut TAFE and apprenticeship funding. source Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it. source source source Removed the Department for arts, rolling those functions into the department that handles telcos and roads. source Cut all foreign aid to Pakistan, and cut aid to Nepal by 42%. source Refused to provide any information when questioned in parliament about an Australian who was secretly imprisoned in Australia, for a secret crime, after a secret trial, an even the prisoner’s name is a secret. Lied by saying the prisoner consented to the secrecy. source source Voted down legislation to increase the Newstart allowance. source Introduced a limit on cash transactions of $10,000, in a move towards a cashless society, so that it then becomes possible to have negative interest rates and have consumers pay banks to store their savings. source Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. source Removes all mentions of “consent” from new legislation about sharing of personal data in the public sector. source Proposed reversing the onus of proof, so that citizens may be considered guilty until proven innocent, for tax fraud and money laundering crimes. source Lied about their new anti-union legislation, claiming unions can’t be deregistered as punishment for any single wrongdoing, when the legislation does permit that. source Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. source Granted ministers to power to use the military to quell domestic protests and industrial action, including shoot-to-kill powers when infrastructure is at risk (such as an environmental protest threatening a coal generator). source Spent $30 million detaining a single asylum seeker family for a few months. source Lied about the nation’s oil reserve, claiming it is 90 days when it their own figures say 58 days. source Voted down a parliamentary declaration that we’re facing a climate emergency. source Lied by claiming their religious discrimination bill was not intended to override states’ anti-discrimination laws. The actual documents tabled in parliament explicitly says it is. source source source Appointed someone in their sixties as Minister for Youth. source source Paid $9 million for a contractor to do literally nothing, because the government abruptly cancelled the contract and instead gave it to a less experienced and less qualified company. source Forecast an increase in wage growth despite simultaneously forecasting no decrease in unemployment. (So employers would pay more for no economically rational reason.) Each year they consistently forecast optimistic wage growth which consistently fails to actually happen. source Simultaneously proposed plans to support electric vehicles and ridiculed plans to support electric vehicles, within the same week. source Lied about the budget being “in the black”. source Lied by claiming to have introduced and passed non-existent legislation to prevent the mass extinction of threatened species. source Approved construction of a mine even though the company said they cannot promise that they won’t make the local rare species extinct, and that they cannot be bothered checking to see whether any member of those species does eventually survive the mine’s operation. source Admitted their promise to spend $2 billion building a fast train link between Geelong and Melbourne will actually cost $4 billion, and they don’t have the other $2 billion. source Introduced a law which allows the government to revoke the citizenship of whistleblowers, minor vandals and people who provide humanitarian assistance in conflict zones. source source Lied about Australia’s emissions, claiming they had decreased when they had actually increased to an record high. source Promised the creation of 1.25 million jobs without doing any calculation or modelling to arrive at that number. source Blocked the construction of Australia’s first offshore wind farm, which would create 12,000 jobs and meet 20% of Victoria’s electricity demand. source Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. source Voted against a United Nations motion for increased sexual education about women’s health, opposition to female genital mutilation, and access to safe abortion. source Cut funding for financial support for asylum seekers by $87 million. source Housed refugees close to large volumes of potentially deadly asbestos. source Spent $1 million from their Emissions Reduction Fund on a fossil fuel generator which would have been built anyway. source Spent $21.5 million over 10 months with an unsigned contract on a health contractor known to have a fatal lack of “necessary clinical skills”. source Charged taxpayers $1700 for the Roads Minister and his spouse to attend a fancy dinner party for the agriculture industry. source Spent $200,000 on chartered flights for ministers to travel between parliament and their electorate. source Spent $400 million on a problem plagued automated system which recovered only $500 million of unpaid debt, through an illegal “guilty until proven innocent” approach. source source Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. source Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack. source source Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling. source source Broke an election promise to establish a register of shell company ownership, to fight corporate tax dodging. source Shared personal information about petition signatories with a private company, without those people’s consent, so that the company can send those people spam. source Prevented a vote for a royal commission into abuse in the disability sector, with a filibuster. Question time was extended to the longest session ever. source source Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it. source source Gave lawyers only 36 hours to respond to a proposal for legislation for a sex offender register. We do not have a murderer or burglar register. Under existing laws, consenting 16 year-olds sending nudes to each other are technically sex offenders, who may be named and shamed on the proposed register. source Exempted the Adani coal mine from a normal water impact assessment because they believe 12.5 billion litres is not “significant”, and because the water pipeline built solely to support the mining project is a non-mining project on paper. source Cut $1.2 billion from aged care, and then denied doing so. source Cut TAFE funding again, this time by $270 million. source Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. source Lied about the Assistance and Access bill not forcing software developers to make their code less secure. The first item in the bill’s list of “acts or things” is “removing one or more forms of electronic protection”. source source source Spent $37,000 for flights for one minister for one day, to attend meetings which could have probably been made via a video call. source Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. source Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. source Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. source Rejected recommendations from the Productivity Commission that the government add a “fair use” exemption to copyright law, and to change the law to explicitly protect Australians who circumvent geoblocking barriers to access paid content. source Spent $400,000 to help train the Myanmar military, who were known to be guilty of ongoing genocide against the Rohingya people, and were later responsible for a literal coup to overthrow their government. source source Punished an asylum seeker for reporting sexual assault committed by a government contractor, and lied about forwarding the complaint to the police. source Spent $320,000 on legal fights denying asylum seekers urgent medical transfers to the mainland to treat life-threatening conditions. source Secretly blocked funding for $4 million in humanities research projects, which were already approved by the government’s research approval body (ARC). source Introduced a new reason for rejecting government funding of research proposals. Research which doesn’t advance the national interest will be rejected. Historically important yet socially controversial research like evolution and the sun-centric solar system would have been rejected under this model. source Spent $16,880 on personal stationary for just one minister for one year. source Spent $20k making custom phone apps for a single senator. A website would have sufficed. source Ignored advice from 3 government bodies, choosing to instead allow a private company to build environmentally damaging infrastructure in a World Heritage Area, in violation of zoning rules. source Handcuffed an innocent child whilst preventing her from receiving urgently needed medical treatment. source Gave corporate welfare to fund coal generators, through a grant which they claim is “technology neutral”, despite it specifying a narrow range of technologies. source Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. source Rolled out the My Health Record to the whole country as an opt-out system, despite safety concerns about how abusive stalkers can use it, and despite the trial involving 9 security breaches. 42 more security breaches happened within weeks of the system being rolled out nationally. source source Cut funding for the Foodbank charity for a third time. This time $323,000 was cut just before Christmas. source Spent half a billion dollars on an upgrade for a war memorial. source Gave money from a fund for Indigenous advancement to a fishing corporation to help it fight Indigenous land claims. source source Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. source Cancelled the citizenship of someone who’s citizenship application was approved 18 years ago, who has lived in Australia for 41 years. source Proposed the underwriting of coal power plant construction. Risks too high for the private sector will be thrust upon taxpayers, whilst the profit will remain privatised source source Doubled the amount spent on external consultants, after cutting public sector staff. source Cut one third of jobs from the Department of Environment. source Charged taxpayers for VIP plane flights to fly the Prime Minister between destinations on his “bus tour”. source source Spent $9000 buying hundreds of hard copies of a book which is available online for free. source Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian. source source Charged taxpayers $2000 per month for one minister’s home Internet connection. source source Reduced the income threshold at which graduates start paying back HECS debt, down to $45,000. source Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case. source source source Proposed plans to privatise the visa application system. Referring to this core function of a sovereign government as a “business” which should be “commercial” and “profitable”. source Removed emissions reduction targets from the National Energy Guarantee. source Outsourced top-level security clearance vetting to private contractors who transport sensitive documents via private courier, occasionally to the wrong address. source Refused a visa application on character grounds for a whistleblower who disclosed war crimes. source Refused a temporary visa application for a 10 year old boy to visit his father because the boy did not have a full time job. source Drafted laws granting ‘shoot to kill’ powers to military soldiers during riots. source source Sent $440 million of Reef research funds to an obscure private organisation, instead of one of the many relevant public agencies, and without any application process. source source source Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. source Assigned $48.7 million to a Captain Cook memorial. There are already 35 Captain Cook memorials in Australia. The money was taken from the ABC budget. source source source source Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). source Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published. source source source Threw $700k at blockchains. source Spent $3.6 billion to keep an old, dirty coal power station running for a few more years, when the alternative renewable generation plan would be $1.4 billion cheaper. source Increased the difficulty of the citizenship English test, so that applicants who are able to speak “basic” English will be rejected. source Deliberately destroyed water supplies at a Manus Island detention centre, to force refugees out of the camp and into unfinished alternative sites. source Chose not to take back money given to an exploitative coffee chain who violated the terms of the payment which was part of the PaTH program. source Spent $300k on 60 seconds of advertising to spruik new energy policies designed to reduce power bills. That amount of money could have been spent to pay the annual energy bills of 5000 typical houses. source Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10. source source Cut university funding again, this time by $2.1M. source Banned the Eureka flag and all union symbols and slogans from personal equipment on federal construction sites, no matter how small or subtle they are. source Spent $2.2 million on giant fans to protect the Great Barrier Reef from global warming. source Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. source Accidentally exposed the personal health records of millions of Australians, including whether they have had abortions or are on HIV medication. source Introduced a bill to permit businesses to discriminate based on customers’ sexual activity or gender. source Proposed selling biometric data of citizens to private corporations. source Proposed a law to introduce 2 year jail sentences for anyone who uses the Australian Coat of Arms without authorisation, including satirical websites who do not intend to deceive, and including when no harm comes from the unauthorised use. source Tried to reduce the number of tertiary courses eligible for Austudy report. source Proposed a law which would further destroy citizen’s right to freedom from arbitrary detention, by giving police the power to imprison people for 14 days without arrest. source Introduced a national facial recognition surveillance program, which will collate faces from CCTV cameras and other sources and share them with private companies, and claimed such a program “doesn’t involve surveillance” and will increase citizen’s privacy. source source Told tender applicants for a $90B ship-building project that they don’t need to spend any of that construction money in Australia. source Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. source Introduced new procurement rules which will cost telcos $184k per year in paperwork and compliance. source Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. source Spent $7000 in one month for wine for one minister, and fought against a Freedom of Information request into the spend. source Kicked 100 asylum seekers into the street, taking their income away with no notice, after preventing them from working. source Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation. source source Kept secret government data showing higher than expected emissions increases. source Illegally detained Australian citizens on Christmas Island because they failed character test. source Cut all funding for the 40 year old Haymarket health clinic for the homeless, resulting in its closure. source Lied about when they found out about the sale of Medicare data on the black market. source Claimed to have not suffered a cybersecurity breach after the systems storing sensitive Medicare information had their security breached, and that sensitive information was put up for sale on the black market. source Added politically weighted questions about coal to the citizenship test. source Paid companies to hire young people for entry level jobs at far less than the minimum wage. There is evidence that companies replace real jobs with these underpaid ones. One such company killed a person by not avoiding obvious and easily foreseeable risks. They were fined only $70k. source source source Chose not to appoint any climate scientists to the Climate Change Authority. source Tried to allow the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in coal. source source Blocked the construction of a wind farm because of the ‘visual impact’, even though 92% of locals wanted it. source Failed to comply with the mandatory ‘Top 4’ cyber security strategies, in multiple departments. source Loosened protections for indigenous land owner rights. source Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. source Lent $100M to a foreign company which does not operate in Australia, for construction of a coal mine which won’t employ any Australians or contribute to the Australian economy at all. This mine so bad for the environment that if it goes ahead, the world will not stay under 2 degrees of global warming. source Spent $12M per year on flights for NBN staff. source Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students. source source Introduced a new tax, of at least $7.10 per month per NBN fixed line user. source Cut the foreign aid budget again, this time by $300 million. source Voted against changes which would reduce the wait times for medicinal cannabis from months down to hours. It currently takes up to 19 months to get approval for 3 months worth of medication. source source Started drug testing welfare recipients without consulting legal, medical or drug experts. They simultaneously claim people will be selected randomly and also based on data driven profiling tools (i.e. not random). source source source Introduced a policy very similar to the First Home Buyer’s Account policy they scrapped a few years earlier, with the main difference being that it involves using Superannuation for something other than retirement savings. source Spent around $10k per person per year for a cashless welfare card trial, for welfare payments worth $14k per person per year. Almost half of the participants claimed the trial made their lives worse. source source Broke a promise to put in safeguards to prevent their data retention scheme from being abused. (Police illegally accessed the data within 2 weeks of retention commencing.) source source Cut university funding again, this time by 2.5%. source Approved the sale of weapons to a country accused of committing war crimes and killing 10,000 innocent civilians. source source Rejected advice from a taskforce it set up, which provided recommendations to reduce foreign visa abuse, and then claimed the 457 visa is too prone to abuse. source Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. source Claimed many ‘community leaders’ support the cashless welfare card, but refused to list such supporters when asked. source Claimed that using more wind power and less coal power will increase emissions. source Prohibited the Aboriginal Legal Service from giving evidence at a legal enquiry into the loosening of racial hate-speech laws. source Re-established the construction industry watchdog, which spent $100,000 investigating two mates for having a cup of tea on site. source Spent over $3,000 to send the minister for Immigration to a monarchist fundraiser. source Forced public servants to move from Canberra to Armidale, prior to establishing new office facilities. They now do their work in the local Macca’s. source Introduced NBN ‘Fibre to the curb’, which is almost identical to the ‘Fibre to the premise’ approach they criticised. source Introduced a bill which would allow the government to publicly release veteran’s personal information (such as medical records) without their consent. source Refused to release a report into the death of a person on the government’s Work for the Dole program. source Skipped the normal assessment process for large infrastructure projects when deciding to proceed with the WestConnex project. source Paid the first $500 million for the WestConnex project well before the funding was needed. source Voted against a motion to extend the privacy act to cover political parties. source Changed Newstart eligibility so that 22 to 24 year-olds get Youth Allowance instead, which is $90 less per fortnight. source Excluded offshore detention centres when ratifying the Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture. source Appointed a mining lobbyist as the PM’s climate change advisor. source Increased the number of IT contractors for the government, even though they cost $80,000 more per person per year than having actual IT staff. source Cut $180,000 from children’s dental care funding, and almost $300 million for adult dental care. source Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. source Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. source Fined welfare recipients for not attending ‘hygiene’ and tie-dying classes. source Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. source Changed public servant super laws to reduce the retirement payout of long-term teachers, police and nurses by tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. source Conducted an inquiry into housing affordability which gave no recommendations on how to help fix housing affordability. source Spent $26 million and laid off 93 scientists to move the location of the agricultural chemicals and veterinary medicines regulator. source Made an ‘action plan’ to deal with record level bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, which lacked any new actions or funding. source Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. source Indefinitely detained someone based on information obtained through torture. source Axed 900 jobs in the national flight control agency, despite concerns that losing so many staff will compromise safety. source Spent $83,000 on a baggage lift at The Lodge. source Flew 23 staff to the Australian embassy in Paris to discuss saving money. The government does not know how much the flights and accommodation cost. Others estimate it was $200,000. source Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. source Increased the cost of a Visa for bands touring to Australia by 600%. source Gave $4 billion in tax cuts to the richest fifth of the population. source Put the 000 call service out to tender, despite their own review saying not to. source Cut $68 million from the Bureau of Statistics’ funding. source Introduced a second internet filter. Internet consumers will be forced pay their telcos to block websites which foreign film companies dislike. The Liberals have accepted millions of dollars of donations from those foreign companies. source source Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. source Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration. source source Wasted over $98,000 by buying and then cancelling flights. source Proposed charging 9% interest on all debts owed to CenterLink. source Cut $50 million from dental healthcare funding. source Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. source Chose not to add HIV prevention medication PrEP to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, which would have brought down the cost of the proven medication from $1000 per month to $30 per month. source Handed out $9 million to a foreign coal mining company. source Spent over $200,000 sending Border Force staff to a luxury hotel which specialises in corporate team building through circus lessons and Segway tours. source Proposed a law which will allow Australians to be sentenced to life in prison, without being charged for a crime. source Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. source Spent over $100 million per year on military operations in Afghanistan, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Removed subsidies for blood sugar test strips. Now 600,000 diabetics will be forced to pay $60 per box instead of $1.20. source Decided that foreign born, adopted Australians can no longer use their Australian birth certificate as proof of Australian citizenship. source Had UNESCO censor a report on climate change to remove all mentions of Australia and the Great Barrier Reef. Large sections of the reef have already been bleached because of climate change. source Sacked 74 scientists in Antartica. source Locked up a dying New Zealander who wants to go to New Zealand. The man has had 20 heart attacks, and is close to death. He has finished serving a jail sentence, yet remains imprisoned. source Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. source Accidentally leaked the contact information of thousands of women in a confidential database. source Changed the operation of Australia’s rape and domestic violence hotline so that counsellors no longer need three years of experience and a tertiary qualification in psychology or social work, and so that victims must now disclose their abuse story to twice as many people before getting help. source Cut all funding for Australia’s only eating disorder helpline. source Claimed that refugees simultaneously are taking our jobs whilst also taking our welfare. source Cut $20 million from the National Library, resulting in 28 job losses and the halting of all document digitisation. source Provided no workers compensation for Australian staff injured in offshore detention centres. source Refused to publicly release a video of illegal whaling. source Claimed that Australia’s largest coal mine (which will export more coal than our entire nation consumes) will not contribute to climate change. source Proposed a government funded internship scheme where companies are paid lots of money to hire short term interns for $4 per hour with no award protections. source source Gave permission to a shipping company operating only in Australian waters to sack their Australian crew and hire foreigners for $2 an hour. source Proposed blocking students from going to university if their ATAR is too low, even if the course has spare spaces and is happy with their ATAR. source Proposed forcing students to pay back HECS earlier if they have parents or a long term partner with an income over a threshold. source Waited 22 hours before air-lifting a critically ill refugee to an adequately equipped hospital. He died the next day. source Rejected an offer from New Zealand to take 150 asylum seekers who are currently being illegally held in Australian detention centres. source Spent $300,000 on a single lunch, for business mates. source Cut $650 million in bulk billing incentives for pathology. source Spent $39 billion on new submarines, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Proposed new powers for job agencies so that they can fine unemployed people, without any oversight, and with minimal avenues for recourse. source source Offered an indigenous organisation half the pay rise offered to most other public sector organisations. The pay rise is below inflation, so amounts to a pay cut. source Proposed the abolition of the independent organisation that sets the minimum wage for truck drivers. source Cut all funding to Australia’s only youth-led sexual health organisation. source Ran out of money to pay Army Reserves. source Proposed using government funds allocated for climate change action to build a 1.2GW coal plant. source Lied about releasing all children from immigration detention. source Spent $3.3 million on another study into ‘wind turbine syndrome’, even though their own senate inquiries have shown there’s no such thing. The committee had all articles rejected by scientific papers, and provided no advice to the government in its first 2 years. source source Prohibited people who owe money to CenterLink from leaving the country, regardless of how small the debt is or how soon they will return. source Spent $45,000 replacing lost and stolen devices for just one department. source Reneged on their promise to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria, instead accepting 26. source Spent $55 million to resettle just two refugees in Cambodia. source Cut domestic violence leave for public servants. source Scrapped the “Safe Schools” anti-bullying program, on the National Day of Action Against Bullying. source Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. source Claimed that scrapping negative gearing would simultaneously increase and decrease house prices. source Spent $15.4 million on research into globally damaging an increasingly unprofitable fossil fuels. source Requested in inquiry into an anti-bullying program which focused on fostering tolerance for queer youth. source source Spent $1.3 million on CCTV surveillance for an impoverished indigenous community who are desperately in need of more funding for education, health, housing and welfare. source Cut funding for research missions by a world class marine science ship, instead renting out the ship to foreign fossil fuel companies looking for oil and gas in Australian waters. source Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. source Proposed new broad powers for the Attorney-General so that the government can demand that telcos do unspecified “things”, which could include filtering the internet, tracking everyone’s browsing history and more. source Attempted to exempt telcos and law enforcement agencies from laws requiring users to be notified if their personal information has been breached. source Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. source Cut the pension for 35,000 public service retirees. source Spent $1.3 million on medals for Border Force staff, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Increased the cost of pap smears. source Told myGov users to downgrade the security on their account when travelling overseas, which is when security risks are highest. source Refused to allow the family of a terminally ill man to temporarily enter Australia to see their son one last time before he died. source Paid Telstra $80 million to fix the copper network which Telstra sold to the government. source Proposed an exemption so that internet providers and some other companies are not required to inform customers when their data is stolen by malicious third parties. source Spent almost $6000 to fly a minister’s family to a coastal holiday. source Violated international law by illegally conducting war in Syria. source source Refused to give citizenship to eligible permanent residents, years after their refugee claims were accepted. source Spent $1770 on 3 bean bags. source Paid $1.5 billion for the East West Link far earlier than necessary, so that it would fall into Labor’s financial year, to make them look worse. source Started regularly strip searching innocent females on Nauru, with only male staff present. source Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned zoo visits for children in detention, deeming them “inappropriate”, and ruling that they must remain imprisoned instead. source Made refugees work with deadly friable asbestos without any training and almost no equipment. source Appointed a Windfarm Commissioner, who is paid $205,000 per year for the part-time job, who received only 2 valid complaints in its first year. source source source Refused to investigate, prosecute or do anything to a foreign company who built a large port and cut down large areas of forest home to endangered species, without environmental approval. source Introduced cashless welfare cards to reduce the autonomy and control that support recipients have over their spending. source Removed the requirements that crews on ships operating for months between Australian ports get paid Australian-level wages. source Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. source Spent $1.3 billion on replacements for Defence Force Land Rovers, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Funded ethnic cleansing and war crimes in PNG. source Tried to remove exclusion zones around abortion clinics which are designed to protect patients from harassment. source Voted against a motion which called for independent investigation of the bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan by the USA, which is a war crime. source Refused to give counselling to a pregnant woman prior to an abortion. The woman was raped whilst in our asylum seeker prisons. source Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. source Spent $18.5 million on a facial recognition program to log and spy on every Australian, store social media photos and potentially conduct live tracking of all citizens. source source Spent $80,000 on catering for a week long trip to Cape York and Torres Strait, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Forced an asylum seeker to pay for medicine to treat an injury they got when a government employee physically assaulted them. source Laughed and joked about the pacific islands whose very existence is threatened by climate change sea rises. source Scrapped the requirement that the board members of the National Disability Insurance Scheme have actual experience with disabilities (either personally, or through someone close). source Started advertising the jobs of the National Disability Insurance Scheme board without notifying the current board. source Lied about how many refugees we take. source Spent $21,000 of government money to fly a minister somewhere to give a speech about the need to stop wasteful government spending. source Cited ‘the boats have stopped’ as evidence that the economy is doing well. source Told an Australian company to sack their Australian employees and hire foreigners, in order to remain competitive under the government’s new shipping deregulation rules. source Spent $24,000 on koala hire for a G20 photo opportunity, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent over $100,000 on flags for the G20 summit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Broke an election promise to cut the company tax rate by 1.5%. source Broke an election promise to introduce a new paid parental scheme. source Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. source Broke an election promise to not change GST, by removing the exemption for online purchases. source Did not attempt to conduct privacy impact assessments for 90% of their terror bills. source Lifted a ban on the import of a particular shotgun which has a fast firing rate and seven shot magazine capacity. source Spent $24.6 million on an advertising campaign to spruik the benefits of a trade deal (whose content is secret), despite the alleged budget emergency. source Illegally gave approval to an environmentally damaging mine. They then criticised those who pointed out the crime, and tried to change the law so that environmentalists cannot take legal action against illegal mines. source Refused to offer treatment and support to an asylum seeker who was raped on Nauru. source Lied about banning certain muesli bars and other products on Manus Island which have ‘Freedom’ in the brand name. source Proposed a plan to prioritise the applications of refugees who pay the government large sums of money over less fortunate refugees. (a.k.a. a bribe.) source Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation. source source Spent $14.4 million to get support for outdated and insecure software, instead of using current versions. source Waited 3 months before giving medication to a toddler with tuberculosis (a potentially fatal illness). source Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. source Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. source Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. source Held innocent asylum seekers in the same facilities as convicted rapists and murderers. source Spent $90,000 to send The Speaker to Europe for a fortnight so that she could apply for a job. source Spent $5,000 on a helicopter so that Bronwyn Bishop wouldn’t have to travel 1 hour by car to get to a Liberal fundraising event. source Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. source Spent $500,000 on Australian flags in just 6 months, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) from investing in wind power and small scale solar power. source Banned telcos from seeing warrants for metadata access requests issued to chase down journalists sources, thereby undermining the purpose of the warrant system. source Removed the requirement for skills assessments of foreign electricians working under a Temporary Work visa. source source Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. source Spent $500,000 on flags in just 6 months. source Used classified ASIO documents as props during a photo shoot. source Broke an election promise by scrapping Medicare locals. source Denied asylum seekers the right to make Freedom of Information requests for information the government has about them. source Admitted that an innocent senator was spied on by government employees whilst performing her job. The government initially labelled the senator an “embarrassment to this country” because they said the claims were “complete nonsense”, despite knowing they were true. source source Incorrectly claimed that the Lindt Cafe gunman was linked with ISIS. source Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. source Illegally paid people smugglers money to turn boats around, in order to disrupt their business model. source source Cut $13 million from the Australia Council and Screen Australia. source Cut $105 million from the Australian Council for the Arts without bothering to consult anyone in the arts industry. source Introduced 2 year jail sentences for doctors who disclose government wrongdoing and the high rates of health problems in immigration jails, even if the disclosures are in the public interest. source Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. source Refused to offer any assistance to thousands of innocent refugees stranded offshore in our region. source source Proposed new powers to banish Australians suspected of terrorism, possessing a ‘thing’ related to terrorism, downloading a single file related to terrorism, vandalising commonwealth property or entering a ‘no-go zone’ country even for innocent purposes. Each guilty verdict would be made by a minister, not a court. The government does not have to prove the suspects are guilty. The new laws may contravene the 1961 United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. source source source source Cut funding for an anti-deaths in custody service, the creation of which was recommended by the 1991 Deaths in Custody Royal Commission. source Granted the Immigration Department and local councils the power to search through the stored metadata of all citizens (and they won’t need a warrant). source source Tried to pass off all responsibility for “matters of national environmental significance” to the states, who have weaker environmental protections. source Proposed ‘ag-gag’ laws, under which activists who expose illegal animal cruelty can be imprisoned if they take more than 48 hours to go to the police. source source Chose to leave the Minister’s Council on Asylum Seekers and Detention empty. source Asked the Nauru government to block access to Facebook. source Cut all funding for The Conversation, a website which allows academics to promote and explain their research to a broader audience. source Censored data revealing shockingly high rates of mental illness amongst immigration detainees. source Spent $200,000 per year on gardening at Kirribilli House. source Spent $700,000 to rebrand “NBN Co” to “nbn TM”. source Lied about the cost of the price on Carbon. source Scrapped the domestic violence education program in schools. source Failed to name the leader of ISIS on the day they sent 330 troops to a war against ISIS. source Spent $4 million for the ‘Australian Consensus Centre’, a climate denial center to be run by someone with no qualifications in science or economics. The government had already cut all funding for the Australian Climate Commission, citing a lack of funds. source source Withdrew from Australia’s commitment to limit global temperature rises to two degrees. source Granted immigration detention centre staff greater immunity against repercussions for inappropriate uses of force. They now have greater immunity than police officers. source Scrapped a public inquiry into law enforcement agencies access to journalists’ telecommunications data, for the purposes of identifying journalists’ sources. source Spent $6 million on a movie which is supposed to deter people from fleeing genocide, war crimes, torture and other persecution. No English dubs or subtitles are available. source source Prevented the release of a ‘name and shame’ list of multinational tax dodging corporations. source Closed the school inside the Nauru detention centre, so that the space can be converted into offices, a staff gym and a staff recreational area. source Prohibited detention centre workers from joining certain political parties, churches and protests even when not identifiable as employees. They can also be fired if an asylum seeker follows them on Twitter without their knowledge. source Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. source Proposed taxing all bank deposits. source source Scrapped the National Produce Monitoring System, which monitors domestic food for dangerous chemicals. source Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. source Tried to pass multiple bills to halve the backpay of intellectually disabled workers who earned only $1 per hour in wages. source Kicked 10 Save The Children workers off Nauru, despite the government having no evidence to support their allegations of sexual and physical assault by the workers against detainees. source Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. source Rejected the crowdfunded offer of free solar panels with free installation for Kirribilli House. source Stripped 8000 public servants of their rights against unfair dismissal. source Prosecuted a white hat hacker who exposed serious security vulnerabilities of some of the ISPs who store the sensitive data of all Australians under the government’s data retention policy. source Closed 150 remote Indigenous communities. source source Breached the international convention against torture. source Proposed scrapping the census. source Defended the use of the War Memorial to hold corporate events for foreign arms manufacturers. source Cut funding to Blind Citizens Australia, Deaf Australia and Down Syndrome Australia. source Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. source Exempted Gmail, Skype and Facebook from their data-retention scheme, thereby significantly reducing its effectiveness. They are exempted because they are not Australian. Hence, Australian email providers will be forced to pay for data retention servers, while competing with non-Australian companies who don’t. source Accused the Human Rights Commissioner of bias, because she published a report into children in detention, finding 233 incidents of assault against children, inside the government’s immigration camps. source Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. source Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. source Spent $17 million on a social media internet filter, allegedly to stop terrorist propaganda. The government believes that peaceful environmental protestors can be “terrorists”. source source Claimed “good government starts today”, after 18 months of governing. source Referred journalists to the police after they reported on immigration matters, including the illegal breaches of Indonesia’s borders. source Lied about the use of weapons by peaceful protesters on Manus Island, when their camp was flooded with armed guards in riot gear. source Chose not to do any modelling whatsoever to determine whether the Emissions Reduction Fund will reduce emissions by the amount they claim it will. source Spent over $80,000 on kitchen appliances. source Knighted Prince Phillip, a non-Australian who asked Indigenous leaders “Do you still throw spears at each other?”. source Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. source Applied to withdraw from a UN convention to protect migratory sharks, 2 months after agreeing to the convention. source Awarded a $6.3 million contract for armored cars for politicians to a foreign company, even though the company did not bid for the tender and an Australian company did. source Criminalised some discussions about cryptography by crytographic academics. source source source Spent more money per student on homeopathy, flower essence therapy and naturopathy tertiary courses than law, economics, languages and humanities. source Proposed the loosening of 457 work visas, allowing foreigners to work in Australia for 12 months, without passing English tests, without the need to look for local workers first. source Spent $88,000 on yoga workshops to improve the emotional intelligence of Immigration Department workers. source Used veto powers to block a UN resolution calling to the end of Israel’s occupation of Palestine. source Spent over $15 million on an advertisement campaign to make university fee deregulation more palatable. source Violated the principle of non-refoulement again, by sending a refugee back to Afghanistan, where he was subsequently tortured for trying to escape. source Scrapped a plan to make coursework masters students eligible for income support. source Cut $44 million over 4 years from the Skills for Education and Employment program which helps jobseekers improve their reading, writing and maths. source Cut $66 million over 3 years from a program which supplements the income of adult apprentices earning less than minimum wage. source Introduced a $900 NBN fee for all new houses. source Cut all funding of homelessness and community housing programs, except the ones they are legally required to fund. source Refused to give visas to refugees who were found to have a well founded fear of persecution, came by plane, passed health checks and passed security checks. source source Appointed a climate change denier as parliamentary secretary to the minister of the environment. source Appointed who said he has “no interest in defence issues” as Minister for Defence. source Cut foreign aid a third time, this time by $3.7 billion. source Spent $120,000 monitoring the media for mentions of the Immigration Department. source Legislated to override all non-refoulement obligations. The government can now send refugees back to countries even if they know for certain that the refugees will be tortured or killed upon return. source Withdrew from the UN Refugee Convention. source Gave millions of dollars to subsidise the training of priests and other religious workers, using the money cut from public, secular universities. source Forced indigenous welfare recipients to work for full time, for 52 weeks a year, to get $5 per hour. source Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. source Claimed that virtual private networks (VPNs) would be exempt from their internet filter, then voted against an amendment to exempt VPNs from their internet filter. source Introduced an internet filter. Consumers and rights groups will not be able to contest blockages. The filter will cost customers $130,000 per year. Village Roadshow Studios donate over $300,000 to the Liberals each year, as do many other studios. source source source source source Gave the Immigration Minister the power to deny or revoke citizenship because someone has a mental illness. source Refused to grant asylum to anyone waiting in refugee camps in Indonesia. source Started another senate inquiry into wind farms, to look at the effect of wind power on power bills, even though the government’s own reviews have already shown that wind power reduces power bills. source source Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. source Gave permission to Chinese companies to sue the Australian government if it implements laws which reduce the corporation’s profits. Australian companies can’t even do the same to the Chinese government. The actual text of the legislation is being kept secret. source Perpetuated the lie of ‘Terra Nullius’. source Chose to not investigate claims of torture and rape by staff in the Manus Island detention centre, because the accused corporation investigated the claims themselves and concluded that they were not guilty. The investigation was done completely internally by Transfield, without any involvement with the Immigration Department. source Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. source Tried to remove the requirement that telecommunications companies disclose how many times they voluntarily handed customer’s data to law enforcement agencies without a warrant. source Bribed murder witnesses with the offer of the rights that they are currently being denied, to make them withdraw their statements about the death of someone who was murdered by the government’s contractors. source Disobeyed Commonwealth value-for-money rules by forcing the Australian Tax Office to spend millions on new offices without making a business case for it or doing a cost benefit analysis. source Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. source Refused to fulfill a senate order to explain the reasons behind a ban on accepting any refugees from Ebola infected countries. No such ban exists for normal immigrants. source Tried to remove the requirement that all free to air TV stations have captions from 6am to midnight. source Illegally refused to grant permanent visas to people found to be genuine refugees, despite their own department and the United Nations Human Rights Council telling them it is illegal. source Appointed 2 Liberal mates to the Migration Review Tribunal even though they were not shortlisted by the selection committee. source source Chose not to tell asylum seekers that sensitive information about their asylum claims, mental health problems and more was stolen again. The data was left on a hard-drive without password protection, outside of the lockable store-rooms. source Reduced the number of charities and aid organisations allowed into the G20 summit from 75 to 3. source Reduced leave allowances for defence force personnel and reduced wage increases to below the inflation rate, just a few days after declaring war. source Introduced laws to allow ASIO to secretly detain people without charge, without any contact to the outside world, and allow them to conduct “coercive questioning” even when less extreme measures are available. Refusal to answer ASIO’s questions would be a crime punishable by imprisonment. source Gave ASIO the power to read, delete and modify anything and everything on the entire internet, with only one warrant. No one can sue them if they use that information or power illegally. If a journalist reports such abuse, they will be jailed for 10 years. source source source Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time). source source Refused to send the Prime Minister to a UN climate summit with 125 other heads of state, even though the Prime Minister was attending another UN summit in the same city the next day. source source Joined the Iraq war 3.0 by recklessly running in with guns blazing without a clear, public and testable objective, without a proposed timeline, without any explanation of why we won’t fail just like the last time and without debating the matter in parliament. The government is calling the war a “humanitarian mission”, even though they cut all foreign aid to Iraq just a few months prior. source source source Spent $12 million trying to convince Sri Lanka to accept 2 boatloads of asylum seekers. source Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. source Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. source Raised the terror threat level to “high”, despite receiving no specific intelligence since claiming that the threat level “has not changed”. source source Refused to give medical treatment to an asylum seeker with a cut on his foot, who later died because of an infection. source Rejected visa applications for unionists who wanted to attend a conference, because they didn’t have enough “personal wealth”. source Tried to introduce WorkChoices again. The changes will make it legal for employers to pay workers in pizza instead of money. Some workers will get less pay while taking annual leave. Employers will be able to veto industrial action. Unions will be stripped of their right to enter a workplace to discuss things will employees during unpaid breaks. Workers will no longer be paid extra for weekend work and overnight work. source source source Scrapped funding for the Red Cross asylum seeker support program. 500 jobs were lost. source Removed the requirement for ASIO to get a warrant before using tracking devices. source Legislated to permit ASIO operatives and associates to commit torture, and any other crime aside from murder, serious injury infliction, sexual assault and property damage. source source source source Legislated so that courts must accept illegally obtained evidence. source Privatised Australian Hearing. source source Increased intelligence agency funding by $630 million, and fought for the power to stop Australians from travelling to Middle Eastern countries, even though the risk of terrorism “has not changed” at the time. Australians who travel to those countries will be guilty until proven innocent. They will face up to 10 years of imprisonment. source source Scrapped the Countering Violent Extremists Program, which involved grants to community programs. source Censored doctors’ reports showing that 1/3 of all detainees suffer from mental illness, and that self harm amongst children is common. source source Axed the Schools Business Community Partnership Brokers program, which has saved thousands of students from dropping out of school. source Introduced Work-For-The-Dole despite their own data showing that such programs are the least effective way of helping people find jobs. source Cut the $16 per patient per day supplement for aged care providers. source Rewrote counterterrorism laws so that Australian tourists returning from Syria and Iraq will be guilty of terrorism until they prove they are innocent. source Broke an election promise by allowing the new multi-billion dollar batch of Navy submarines to be built overseas, despite high levels of unemployment amongst our manufacturing sector. source source Spent $330,000 renovating a single room which has never been used. Including $800 on a single door knob. The cost of leaving it unused but on standby comes to $100,000 per year. source Forced the unemployed to apply for 40 jobs per month. This will bombard businesses with over 1,000,000 applications per day. There’s currently about 1 job availability for every 10 unemployed people, so a lack of job applications is not the problem. source source Introduced mandatory metadata retention schemes for all internet providers. The government admits the changes are not necessary, and that there is no evidence to show that it will improve law enforcement. Warrants will not be required to access the data. The cost of implementing the schemes will come to about another $100 per customer per year. It will be used to punish illegal downloaders. source source source source source Finally admitted that “There’s no crisis at all in the Australian economy”, despite centering their election campaign on the alleged budget emergency. source Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years. source source source source Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. source Falsely claimed that nations around the world are scrapping emissions trading schemes, even though there is currently a net increase in adoption of such schemes. source Remained unapologetic about 10 mothers trying to commit suicide. The mothers hoped that their orphan children would be freed from torturous asylum seeker prisons and cared for. source Forcefully handed over 41 innocent asylum seekers to a genocidal government, despite being aware that many had already been tortured before fleeing. This violates international laws and our own domestic laws. source source Incorrectly explained the mechanics of their own Carbon Price repeal. source Committed maritime piracy by storming boats in international waters at gunpoint, kidnapping and then imprisoning innocent passengers. Maritime piracy constitutes crimes against humanity. source source Claimed pre-First Fleet Australia was “unsettled or, um, scarcely settled”, and called British colonisation a form of foreign investment. source source Cut $44 million from homelessness services. source Removed all mentions of climate change from their extreme weather website. source source Moved to strip environmental organisations from charity status. source source Refused to refer to East Jerusalem as “occupied”, even though the Israeli military has met the specific criteria which constitute the legal definition of occupation, and even though Israel’s own highest court ruled that the region is occupied, and even though the Israelis have built a wall twice as tall as the Berlin Wall to separate the region from the rest of Palestine. source Introduced legislation to allow the government to send asylum seekers back to the country they fled from, even if there is up to a 49% chance that they will be killed or tortured upon return. This violates the principle of non-refoulement, which constitutes human rights abuse. source source source source Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. source Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied. source source Tried to remove the laws that require financial advisors to act in the best interest of their clients, and the requirement that they provide clients with a statement of the fees they’ll be charged each year. source source Refused to let Leo Seemanpillai’s parents come to Australia temporarily for his funeral. He burned himself to death because the Australian Government wanted to send him back to proven genocide in Sri Lanka. His parents have been living in a refugee camp for 2 decades. 2 other people tried to commit suicide the same way within a month of Leo’s death, to avoid being sent back to Sri Lanka. source source source Scrapped the annual $5 million grant to the Red Cross. source Defended the $4.8 million salary of the head of Australia Post, immediately after he cut 900 postal worker jobs to save money. source Lied by claiming asylum claims were being processed in the lead up to the Manus Island riots. source Cancelled meetings with the head of the International Monetary Fund and the president of the World Bank because Mr. Abbott would be told that the government’s support for fossil fuels will heavily damage our economy in the long run. source Failed to model the impact on hospital emergency room waiting times due to the proposed GP fee. source Cut a further $600 million from Indigenous programs, in addition to the $534 million cuts in the 2014 budget. source source Claimed that removing the upper limit on university fees will cause fees to decrease. source Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. source Blamed everyone but themselves for the murder of an innocent person during the Manus Island riots. Contractors, locals and even the victims were blamed. The report identified at least one of the murderers, but he has not been charged with murder. source source Slashed $560,000 from the Refugee Council of Australia. source source Supported Japan’s moves to remove the pacifist parts of their constitution, claiming that the creation of an offensive Japanese military force will help regional stability and peace. (Japan only has a self defence force.) source Offered money to Manus Island detainees if they voluntarily returned to the war crimes, genocide, torture and persecution that they originally fled from. When in opposition the government opposed these same payments. source source Refused to comment about American drone strikes which killed 2 Australians. source Funded PNG’s defence against a legal challenge to the Manus Island detention centre. source Redirected $4 million from the Child Sex Abuse Royal Commission to the Home Insulation Inquiry. source Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) source Tried to scrap the Asbestos Safety and Eradication Agency. source Confiscated medication from asylum seeker detainees. A 3 year old consequently suffered repeated seizures. source source source Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. source Tried to introduce a $7 fee for each time you go to see a GP. They claimed $7 is simultaneously large enough to act as a deterrent (thereby saving money), and small enough that it won’t deter poor, sick people from getting help. source source source Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. source Lied about the presence of a full time psychiatrist on Manus Island. source Cut over $900 million from local council funding. source Scrapped tax breaks for people with a dependent spouse. source Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. source Scrapped The Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership. source Cut $170 million from the Research Training Scheme, which supported research students. source source Spent $12 million to investigate whether to sell off a department for $6 billion, when it makes $0.538 billion per year. source Cut $15 million from Charles Sturt University’s dental health program and oral clinic. source Cut $2.5 billion from aged care programs, such as Meals On Wheels. source Removed financial rewards which encouraged Universities to enroll disadvantaged students. source Scrapped the National Rental Affordability Scheme. source Cut Sunday penalty rates for casual restaurant workers. source Cut $16 million from ANSTO, Australia’s only nuclear research facility, and our only source of medical isotopes. source Slashed $1.1 million used to fight against animal abuse. source Made $110 million of broad-sweeping cuts to the Arts. The only organisation to receive more funding ($1 million more) is coincidentally chaired by the daughter of Rupert Murdoch. source source Cut $28.2 million from the Australia Council, which provides grants for the arts. source Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. source Scrapped the National Water Commission. source Scrapped the National Preventive Health Agency’s $2.9 million National Tobacco Campaign. source Broke an election promise to have over one million roofs with solar panels. source source Broke an election promise by cutting billions from school funding and committing to even less of the Gonski reforms than they did at the election. source source source source Scrapped a program to encourage graduates to take up work in places of need. source Cut $1.3 billion from seniors concessions funding. source Scrapped the Community Food Safety campaign. source Cut $2.3 million from contributions to the World Health Organization. source Scrapped a program which encouraged Australian video game development. source Tried to deregulate university fees, thereby allowing Universities to charge what they want. Students would end up with American levels of crippling debt. Many of the politicians behind this policy received their degrees for free. Average student debt is expected to rise to $100,000, even though Abbott himself said “it is irresponsible to saddle Australians with $25,000 of debt”. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source source source Scrapped the Women’s leadership program. source Broke an election promise by cutting well over $15 billion per year from health funding. source source source source Scrapped the Australian Organ and Tissue Donation and Transplantation Authority, which has helped increase organ donation rates. source Tightened eligibility and lowered indexation for support for injured Veterans. source source Scrapped the Commonwealth Human Rights Education Program. source Scrapped the Education Department’s Online Diagnostic Tools Program, which helped improve teachers’ productivity. source Cut $4.4 million from job interview workshop programs. source Scrapped the Office of Water Science research program. source Reduced the Medicare optometry rebate. source Spent $480 million merging the Department of Immigration and Customs into Border Force, which won’t have to follow public service or Defence Force laws and protocols of conduct. source source Simultaneously increased the cost of petrol and cut funding for public transport. The government argued that disadvantaged people can’t afford cars anyway, so they won’t be hurt by the changes. source source source Scrapped Youth Connections, a program which helped disengaged youth reconnect with work and education. source Removed family tax benefits for children older than 6, and drastically reduced the income threshold for its eligibility and froze it below interest rates. source source Cut $845.6 million from programs which fund innovative start-ups. source Stopped giving under 25s Newstart. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this will violate our human rights obligations. source source source Spent $218 million upgrading Christmas Island’s asylum seeker operations, so that we can whisk off vulnerable people out of side quicker before we start abusing them. source Halved the $2.55 billion emissions reduction fund. source Cut $2 billion from Australian Renewable Energy Agency, Landcare and other environmental agencies. source Cut over half a billion from Indigenous spending. source Cut 16,500 public service jobs, despite promising to create one million new jobs. source Cut the Exotic Diseases program. source Ended the Get Reading! program. source Scrapped the Centre for Quality Teaching. source Cut $111 million from the CSIRO. source source source Cut $120 million from ethanol and biofuel programs. source source Cut all funding to NICTA, a peak ICT technology research company. Coincidentally, NICTA publicly criticised the Coalition’s NBN only a few weeks earlier, claiming fibre-to-node is an inferior option. source source Cut welfare for young people, so they have to survive on $0 per week for 6 months, before being put on a welfare scheme which is below the poverty line anyway. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this breaches our human rights obligations. source source source source source Set aside $245 million for religious chaplains in schools. Secular schools were stripped of the option of hiring a secular equivalent. No guarantees have been made about preventing heterosexist teachings that will make queer students feel sinful and ashamed. (Queer students are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.) Hundreds of secular social workers will lose their jobs. source source source source Scrapped the First Home Buyer’s Account scheme, which provided sorely needed assistance for young people to buy homes. source Broke an election promise by tightening disability pension eligibility and financially penalising anyone who spends at least 4 weeks overseas. source source source Broke an election promise by changing age pension indexation, and eligibility age, and the threshold. source source source Abolished the position of disability commissioner, then created the position of wind farm commissioner. source source Cut all funding to the government’s only dedicated disability website. source source Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC. source source source Cut foreign aid, again. This time by $7.6 billion. source Started charging interest on HECS. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source Reduced the income threshold where graduates start to pay back HECS. source source Cut $138 million from the Australian Federal Police, resulting in 335 job losses. source Scrapped a loan scheme which helped apprentices buy the tools they need to learn and work. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after an unexploded wartime shell was found inside the compound. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after it was leaked that some guards physically and verbally assault children regularly. source Failed to provide adequate medical treatment to asylum seekers on Manus Island who were shot and bashed by locals that invaded the camp and rioted. source source Went $1 million (67%) over budget on the Commision of Audit, an investigation into how taxpayer money can be spent more prudently. source Cut $15 million from Flinders Hospital, then spent $10 million upgrading the field for the Manly Rugby League team. source Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC). source source source Described wind farms as “utterly offensive” and “a blight on the landscape”. source Spent $20 million on an international campaign to discourage people from fleeing war crimes, genocide and other persecution. source Broke an election promise by proposing a deficit tax. source Chose not to debrief any Manus Island detention centre staff after the riots by PNG locals which resulted in the death of one asylum seeker and the hospitalisation of dozens more. source Paid people $1500 per person per day to recommend spending cuts. source Deliberately ignored desperate and repeated pleas by security personnel on Manus Island and the commander of Operation Sovereign Borders requesting stronger fencing, CCTV cameras and better lighting. These requests were made months before locals broke down the fences, shot, stabbed and bashed detainees, none of which was caught on CCTV footage. source Tried to abolish the independent national charity regulation body, which would mean the government would regulate charities, possibly resulting in less impartial regulation. For example, environmental groups stripped of charity status because they oppose government policies. source Removed climate change from the agenda of the 2014 international G20 summit. source Spent about $2 million for Prince William and Kate’s 14 day royal visit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source source Spent $3 billion on new drones to patrol our borders, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent $7.5 million on life boats to send back asylum seekers in. Allegedly the motivation behind the government’s asylum seeker policy is to stop people drowning when travelling from neighbouring countries to Australia in unsafe vessels. Despite this, much of the safety equipment was removed from the boats before sending asylum seekers back into the ocean. source source Prevented internet supplier TPG from installing fibre all the way to customers. The arbitrary bureaucratic hurdles have increased the cost of fibre to premise by 15%. source source Broke an election promise by no longer guaranteeing NBN speeds higher than what ADSL can provide. source Retroactively introduced legislation to classify someone born in Australia as an “unauthorised maritime arrival” because their parents haven’t had their asylum claims processed yet. source source Scrapped a body which provides advice on over $1 billion in tax breaks that are designed to encourage Research and Development, despite promising during the election to improve incentives for Research and Development investment. source Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. source Cut over 300 jobs (about 1 in 3) in the Treasury department. source Cut 400 jobs in the Department of Industry. source Removed anti-sweatshop laws and cut all funding to Ethical Clothing Australia. source Closed all Medicare offices on Saturdays. source Ceased legal assistance for people exercising their right to make a claim for asylum. source Cut 250 jobs from the Federal Environment Department. source source Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. source Increased the eligibility age for the pension. source Claimed that the average electricity bill will be $200 per year lower without the price on carbon, despite relevant power companies rejecting the magnitude of this figure. source Implemented a policy which dictates that public servants should be sacked if they criticise the government in social media, even if their profile does not mention the their employment, and even if the profile is completely anonymous. source source source Chose not to give 300 children almost any schooling during 9 months of detention. source source Threatened staff against speaking out about the mismanagement of the Manus Island detention centre and the attacks against it’s inmates by locals and staff. source Detained people in conditions so inhumane and horrid that three pregnant women asked for abortions, to stop their children suffering in detention indefinitely. The Government has refused to comment. source source Chose not to process any claims for asylum from people detained on Manus Island. source Claimed that all social media is anonymous. source Chose to keep secret the interim report into the riots inside the Manus Island detention centre. source source Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. source Claimed the government will be $13.7 billion better off if the Mining Tax is scrapped, even though the scrapping the tax itself would actually result in a net loss If $3.7 billion. The only savings would be through other cuts hidden in the repeal bill. The biggest of which is the Schoolkids Bonus (an initiative which was never associated with the Mining Tax). The government claims the average household will be better off, but the average household will be $3500 worse off due to repealed subsidies and tax breaks. source source Interfered with the judicial process by transferring asylum seekers to a remote detention centre the day before they started a court case against the Australian Government. The case was about how the government endangered them and their families by accidentally publishing personal details about their asylum claims online. source source Spent more money on detention centres than it would cost to house asylum seekers in Sydney’s most expensive 5 star hotels (per asylum seeker per day). source Started charging people who put in bankruptcy applications, and increased the levy on money earned post-bankruptcy. source Broke international laws by arbitrarily imprisoning children. source Scrapped a program to give asylum seekers free advice on how to navigate Australia’s immigration bureaucracy when exercising their right to seek asylum. The justification for this scrapping was based on the false claim that asylum seekers are illegal. source source source source Tried to reintroduce temporary protection visas. source source Ignored an order from the United Nations Human Rights Committee to release some asylum seekers who are being illegally held without proof or judicial protection, in cruel, inhumane or degrading circumstance. source Reintroduced the British system of knights and dames, only 3 months after saying they would not do so. source Spent $211,000 on public relations staff to make the Medibank Private sale more palatable to the public. source Sold Medibank Private for $4 billion, even though that means the government will lose up to $0.5 billion per year of income from dividends. source source Claimed that all Australians have the “right to be a bigot”. source Refused to grant a human rights lawyer access to the Manus Island detention centre. source Backed PNG’s decision to cancel a human rights inquiry into the Manus Island detention centre. source Issued Manus island detention centre guards with knives designed for noose cutting, because they frequently need to cut down people who try to hang themselves thanks to of the horrid conditions. source source Tried to exempt loggers in Tasmania’s World Heritage forests from the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act, so they won’t have to worry about killing threatened species. source Claimed that the majority of asylum seekers on Manus island won’t be given refugee status, even though more than 90% of all asylum seekers who’ve come to Australia since mid 2009 were eventually found to be genuine refugees, fleeing torture, rape, genocide and persecution. source source Vowed to revive a part of WorkChoices which means construction Industry Enterprise Bargaining Agreements don’t apply to subcontractors doing Commonwealth work. source Refused to support a UN proposal to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. If such crimes been committed, the Abbott government will be guilty of crimes against humanity for forcefully sending refugees back to Sri Lanka, and for actively helping the Sri Lankan military stop people from fleeing their rape, torture and genocide. A Sri Lankan Tribunal has already proven that the Sri Lankan government is guilty of genocide. source source source source source Failed to provide running water to some toilets in the detention centre on Manus Island. source Spent $25 million extending the contracts of the crew on one ship so they could be part of Operation Sovereign Borders. source Provided no soap in the Manus Island detention centre and regularly gave asylum seekers worm infested food. source Proposed amendments to the Racial Discrimination Act so that people who “offend” or “insult” someone because of their “race, colour or national or ethnic origin” will not be legally required to pay compensation. source source Gave $100 million to Australia’s 2 most profitable mining companies, to build a mine which isn’t even in Australia, despite claiming “the age of entitlement is over”, and despite refusing to give corporate welfare to struggling companies who have to sack hundreds of workers. source source source Prevented journalists from interviewing asylum seekers injured in the Manus Island riots. source Lied thrice in one BBC interview by claiming that the Abbott government is considering settling asylum seekers in Australia, and claiming that children in detention go to school, and claiming that asylum seekers on Manus Island are having their claims processed. None of these claims are true. source Cut all welfare ($260,000) for orphans of defence force casualties. source source source Gave state governments an ultimatum: sell off government assets before a certain deadline, (regardless of whether the people or the state government want to) or miss out on billions of dollars of funding. The states would not be allowed to use the money from the sales to pay off debt. Reluctant states were told they could still access federal funds through environmental programs that the Federal Government is trying to scrap. source source source source Justified the logging of forests currently on the world heritage list because Christianity supposedly tells us “the environment is meant for man”. source Ripped $140 billion out of Australians’ superannuation accounts through loosening of consumer protection rules regarding financial planning. source Deported the mother of a 4 year old Australian citizen, thereby separating the child permanently from her only remaining guardian. source Stopped collecting data on gender equality in the workplace. source Threatened to block government funding from arts groups who refuse sponsorship from corporations the artists deem unethical. source Lied to the United Nations about the quality of the Tasmanian forests they want removed from the world heritage list. source Claimed no Sri Lankan asylum seekers have been sent back into danger, despite being in possession of documents which prove at least one asylum seeker was tortured after being forcefully sent back. A Sri Lankan tribunal recently proved that the Sri Lankan government was guilty of genocide. The United Nations Human Rights Commission is currently investigating war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. source source source Suggested most existing major roads should introduce tolls. source Spent $24 billion on new, buggy, spontaneously combusting fighter jets, already years behind schedule, which aren’t going to be built in Australia. The jets can’t run off warm fuel from a truck which has been sitting in the sun (since the fuel tank is used as a heat sink). The software for firing the guns won’t be ready until 3 years after deployment. The software has not passed a security audit. Each plane holds less than 3 seconds of ammunition for the guns. source source source source source source Failed to supply enough food to asylum seekers inside the detention centre on Manus Island. source Secretly defeated an international nuclear disarmament treaty, arguing against a sentence in the treaty which stated that it is in the interests of humanity that nuclear weapons never be used again “under any circumstances”. Australia argued that a disarmament treaty would be less effective at reducing proliferation than having no disarmament treaty. source Kept secret the taxpayer funded 900 page Audit commission report which recommended tightening eligibility for seniors health cards. source Tried to scrap the price on carbon, even though the emissions of relevant companies have dropped by 7% due to the price. source Declined an offer from the Uniting Church to care for unaccompanied refugee children currently in detention centres. The church offered to feed house and clothe them free of charge. source Ridiculed the notion that the minister for women should identify as a feminist. source Started 5 audits of the NBN within the first 7 months of being in power. source Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. source Claimed that loggers are “the ultimate conservationists” during a speech about why the government will not create more national parks. In the same speech Abbott lamented that we have “too much locked up forest”. There are currently over 1000 innocent children locked up in detention centres, presumably this is not “too much”. source source Blamed Qantas job losses on the carbon tax, even though a Qantas spokesman said “Qantas’ current issues are not related to carbon pricing”. source Finally admitted that “Operation Sovereign Borders” is a civilian operation not a military one. source Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. source Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. source Spent over $8 million each year on salaries alone for 95 media staff for the department of Immigration, despite the fact that the department tells the media almost nothing. Those same staff spent over $9,000 in just 2 months monitoring the media for transcripts of their own minister’s press conferences. source source Proposed a “green army” comprised of young people paid less than half of minimum wage without normal workplace protections. source source Cut $3 million in funding for a program to save an endangered rhino species of which there are only 100 left. source Referred to our humanitarian immigration program as “Operation Sovereign Murders”. source Defended spending $3.5 million on a tent kitchen on Manus Island. source Sent asylum seekers back to Indonesia, 3 of which later died trying to cross a river in the jungle they landed next to. source Defended the Manus Island scheme during a press conference about the man who was shot dead in our detention centres by claiming the government is “ending the deaths” of asylum seekers. More refugees have died on Manus island than have been settled. source source Chose not to send any representatives to the Partnership for Market Readiness assembly, a conference which Australia helped fund which is about market mechanisms to curb emissions. source Appointed someone to head the investigation into the Manus Island riots who claimed that rape victims in Manus Island detention centres receive better treatment than Australians. source Planned a doubling of the defence force’s annual budget, increasing it by $24 billion, despite the supposed budget emergency and after the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. source source source source source Defied legislation by not appointing the Climate Change Authority to run the investigation into the Renewable Energy Target. source Blamed electricity price rises on the renewable energy target, despite their own modelling predicting that is will reduce electricity prices in the long term, and Energy Australia stating that it has suppressed prices since it was created. source source source Forced Manus Island staffers to lie to detainees. source Placed an ex-officer of the Sri Lanka army in charge of the Manus Island detention centre, which holds people fleeing the Sri Lanka army’s war crimes and genocide. source source Spent $13.3 million on floating hotels for detention centre staff on Manus island. source Admitted the information given about the Manus detention centre riots was drastically wrong. source source Convinced Cambodia (one of the poorest countries in our region) to take in some of the refugees currently in our detention centres. Serious human rights abuse continue to be committed regularly under the Cambodian government and military. source source source source source Purchased 8 new Poseidon aircraft totalling $4 billion despite the “budget emergency”. source source Guarded the body of a dead asylum seeker using guards who were possibly the ones that shot him. Those same guards confiscated a camera from a journalist on site then deleted all his photos. source Blamed the Carbon Tax for job losses at Alcoa’s aluminium smelter, despite Alcoa being 94.5% exempt from the tax, and despite Alcoa explicitly stating that “the carbon tax was not a factor in the decision”. source Accidentally published personal details about almost 10,000 asylum seekers and their claims. Regardless of whether the original asylum claims were genuine, if those asylum seekers are returned to their country of origin, they and their family may be imprisoned, tortured or killed because governments and militias in their country of origin will know they sought asylum. After discovering the blunder, the government took 13 days to remove the information from public view. As part of a press release about the accidental leak the government made public further information about where to find the still life threatening document. source source source source source source Eventually admitted that Navy ships “inadvertently” crossed into Indonesian waters despite using high tech GPS navigation, then they made the exact same mistake again 5 times. The government chose to not even interview any crew members of one such ship when writing a report on the matter. source source source Removed poverty reduction from the goals of the foreign affairs department, which manages foreign aid. source Paid their own indigenous employees substantially less than non-indigenous co-workers despite promising to help “close the gap”. source Deleted negative comments on the Department of Immigration’s Facebook page, but left objectively false comments, such as claims that asylum seeking is illegal. source source Denied responsibility after Manus Island detention centre guards let in a mob of locals, resulting in an asylum seeker being shot and dozens more injured. Injuries included slit throats, machete wounds and eyes hanging from sockets. source source source source source Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole. source source Annoyed the Navy by having the immigration minister tour naval bases like a defence minister would. source Promised to continue with their NBN plan even if a cost-benefit analysis (which is yet to be done) shows it does not give a worthwhile return on investment. source Chose a climate change denier to lead a review of the renewable energy target. source Denied any link between droughts and climate change. source Spent $4.3 million on market research to gauge public opinion on social media and other outlets about government policies. source source Proposed greater government control over the internet, including the power to order ISPs to block specific sites. source source Granted the Environment Minister retrospective legal immunity against court challenges alleging he failed to consider expert environmental advice before approving damaging mining projects. i.e. They are undermining the Rule of Law and legislating to allow the Environment Minister to literally ignore the environment. source Exempted Western Australia from federal laws protecting endangered species to allow a shark cull, despite evidence culls do not reduce the frequency of attacks on humans. source Spread propaganda to potential asylum seekers which deliberately make Australia look like a villainous, incompassionate country. The propaganda completely ignores the violence, torture, rape and persecution that causes people to seek asylum. source Disbanded an asylum seeker health panel of 12 experts from a range of fields, replacing it with one military surgeon. The government has refused to comment on the matter. source Alleged that Edward Snowden endangered lives and claimed that Australia does not need any surveillance reform. source source Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. source Cut 500 jobs from the Australian Tax Office. source Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. source Lied about NSW signing on with their independent schools deal. source Proposed the conversion of one quarter of public schools to independent schools. source Claimed “the age of entitlement is over” whilst continuing to give mining companies billions of dollars of subsidies and tax concessions. source source source source source Lied about the working conditions at SPC factories to justify declining financial assistance. source Arbitrarily denied many asylum seekers the right to a lawyer during the interviews where they make their asylum claim. source Withheld asylum seeker arrival numbers to avoid being a “shipping news service for people smugglers”, despite literally advertising those same numbers on a billboard while in opposition. source source source Dismissed out of hand serious allegations that Navy personnel assaulted asylum seekers, based on the supposed moral perfection of those personnel. A recent investigation proved that some of those personnel had sexually assaulted other crew by inserting objects up their arses. The Defence Force and the Immigration Department didn’t even bother interviewing the asylum seekers who made the claims. source source source Embarrassed Australia on the world stage by oversimplifying the Syrian conflict as “goodies vs baddies”. source Appointed yet another straight, white cisgendered male as Governor General. source Called Edward Snowden a traitor. source Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. source Accepted a claim for asylum not because of the merit of the claim but because Cricket Australia wanted the man in their team. source Violated international convention by criticising Labor on the Global stage. source Stole crucial evidence from an Australian lawyer representing East Timor in an international tribunal against Australia relating to our illegal spying on East Timor’s oil deal. source Shut down the 113 year old Australian Valuation Office, thereby making 200 jobs disappear. source Provoked Indonesia so much that they put their air force on standby at the border. source Crossed into Indonesian waters without authorisation again, then abandoned a boat without enough fuel to get to shore, forcing asylum seekers to swim for an hour to get to shore. source Defeated moves to cease the recital of the (Christian) Lord’s prayer at the start of each sitting day of (secular) federal parliament. source Cut all funding from all international environmental programs. source Closed mainland detention centres and moves detainees offshore, citing budget savings as the motivation, even though offshore processing costing almost twice as much as onshore processing. source source source Authorised the Navy to fire over the bows of asylum seeker boats. source Refused to comment on 4 attempted suicides, hunger strikes and many self harm attempts happening simultaneously in detention centres. source Exempted Navy personnel of workplace safety obligations to treat asylum seekers safely, and gave them legal immunity for criminal acts which are committed by order of the government. source Rewrote the school curriculum to make it more right wing. The previous curriculum was developed over many years with extensive consultation. The new curriculum is being written by two people. One thinks “abos” are “human rubbish tips”, called a sexual assault victim a “worthless slut”, and laments that Australia has too many “mussies” and “chinky-poos”. The other has questioned whether migrants and women are disadvantaged, and suggested homosexuality is “unnatural”. source source source Refused to respond to questions from the United Nations about boat tow-backs. source Likened our humanitarian immigration program to war. source Directed that asylum seeker families shall be given the lowest priority for processing, even those who’ve lived in Australia for years. source Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. source Endangered lives, committed maritime piracy and broke other international laws by turning around a boat whose passengers have the right to seek asylum in Australia. The government refused to comment on the matter. Lives were endangered as a result of this move, because the boat ran out of fuel and became stranded. source source source Tried to deport a gay refugee to Pakistan, where he would be imprisoned for life for his sexuality. In doing so the government would have committed human rights abuse by violating the principle of non-refoulement. The man has never lived in Pakistan. source source Threatened to withhold food from families if children don’t stand still for 6 hours per day queuing for food. The food is sometimes served with hands not utensils. source Forced women to queue for a whole day just to get a tampon or pad, only to queue again when they need a fresh one, because they are a fire hazard. The government refused to comment. source Scrapped the Building Multicultural Communities Program. 400 community organizations will now miss out on the promised funding they have already budgeted for. source Cut all funding to Jewish Holocaust Centre ($7,700). source Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. source Quietly reduced instant asset write-off tax breaks for small businesses despite championing themselves as pro-small-business. source Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. source Scrapped the National Intercountry Adoption Advisory Group then 2 months later created the interdepartmental working group on overseas adoption, a body which serves an identical purpose. source Stopped weekly press conferences on asylum seekers. Declined further comment on the matter. source Approved a 6.2% increase in health insurance premiums. source Deliberately omitted 23 questions asked of the immigration minister in a press conference. They have refused to comment further on why those questions were omitted. source Refused requests for medical treatment from a pregnant women in detention who subsequently had a miscarriage. She probably would have had a normal birth had she received the treatment she asked for. The government declined to comment further. source Broke an election promise to send a boat to monitor whaling by instead promising to only send an aircraft. The government subsequently broke that second promise too, allowing whalers to kill endangered whales without any Australian monitoring. source source Broke an election promise by renaming the NDIS, making it “DisablityCare” and renaming the “launch” a “trial”, thereby casting doubt on whether they will even commit to the scheme fully. source Scrapped the AusAid graduate program, requiring the sacking of the newest batch of graduates. source Axed the position of coordinator-general for remote indigenous services. source Approved the construction of gargantuan coal mines in the Galilee Basin, including one in the habitat of an endangered species. If all projects go ahead the emissions released from that coal annually will amount to 130% of what our entire nation currently emits annually. source source source Appointed Tim Wilson as human rights commissioner. He has personally advocated for the abolition of the human rights commission, and his new 6 figure salary is so large that the commission will have to cut education and anti-bullying programs to fund it. source Scrapped the Biodiversity fund. source Cut funding for the National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples, a body of elected representatives of the indigenous people. source Handed $16 million to Cadbury, but refused to give subsidies to Holden, Qantas and SPC Ardmona. Cadbury is owned by a multinational firm whose profits rose by 64% to $74.9 million last year. Coincidentally the Cadbury factory is located in a marginal electorate. source source source Axed the home energy saver scheme, which successfully helped struggling households cut down high electricity bills. source Dismantled the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, the Low Carbon Communities Program and the Caring for our Country Program. source Cut $43.1 Million in legal aid funding, including Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander legal services, community legal services, the UNSW Indigenous Legal Centre and the Family Violence Prevention Legal Services. source source source Cut funding for the Energy Efficiency Program (which was compulsory for large electricity consumers). source Slashed all funding (over $10 million) from the Environmental Defender’s Offices. source Broke an election promise by cutting $150 million from NSW hospitals. source source Axed a scheme to improve the wages of aged care workers. source Scrapped the Wage Connect Program (a scheme which encouraged employers to hire long-term unemployed people). source Broke an election promise for a 25MBi/s National Broadband Network, and announced that it will cost more than they promised. source Broke an election promise to return to surplus by 2016-2017. source Undermined the rule of law by proposing a “code of conduct” for refugees living in Australia, despite the fact refugees commit fewer crimes per person than the national average. source source source Failed to take any action in response to Snowden’s leaks showing that the Australian Government is helping the USA spy on all Australians. source Repealed poker machine laws designed to address gambling addiction. source Planned the unwinding of the World Heritage protection of Tasmanian forests despite opposition from the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania. source Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. source Threatened queer detainees in PNG by saying they will be reported to local police if they engage in homosexual acts. Homosexuality is illegal in PNG. Such threats mean refugees fleeing persecution because of their sexual orientation are not able to make their asylum claim without fear of arrest. This counts as human rights abuse because it violates the principle of non-refoulement and strips people of their right to safely make a claim for asylum. The government has refused to comment further. source source source Terminated their deal with the Salvation Army to provide humanitarian assistance with those on Manus Island and Nauru. Consequently 300 people lost their job. The government has refused to comment further. source Disbanded IHAG, a group that provides advice about the health of asylum seeker detainees, which helps combat the rising rates of mental illness and self harm. The government has refused to comment further. source Approved the expansions for Abbott Point coal port, which requires dumping 3 million tonnes of dredge spoil onto the Great Barrier Reef, thereby threatening the Queensland’s entire tourism industry and hospitality industry, and the reef’s heritage status. source source Removed the Murray Darling from the list of threatened ecological communities. source Signed a trade agreement with South Korea that allows foreign companies to sue the Australian government if it implements policies which adversely affect their business (e.g. for environmental or anti-sweatshop reasons). source Removed the requirement for the government to consider advice about the protection of endangered species when approving projects. source Detained innocent asylum seekers in conditions so horrible they amount to torture according to Amnesty International. 500ml of water per person per day, in a shadeless tropical island, with mental illness rates of over 30% and no soap despite rampant gastro. source Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). source Incorrectly defined metadata as billing data only, when it actually includes email subject headings, location data, financial transaction details and more. source source source Called for privatisation of electricity networks, despite evidence showing it does not lower power bills. source source Cut $3 billion in welfare for students, the elderly and families. source source Scrapped the Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, despite the fact our population is aging. source Secretly changed voting position at the UN regarding the Israel and Palestine issue without telling anyone. source Abandoned Gonski agreements with states and committed to 3 fewer years of Gonski than their pre-election promise. source Broke an election promise by scrapping the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council of Australia. The government spent $1 million on administrative costs to do so, even though the council only received $1.6 million in funding per year. source Cut $4.5 billion in foreign aid. source source Tried to scrap the $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corp, even though it provides $110 million per year in net revenue to the government. source Disbanded AusAid (the foreign aid body), merging the remainder into the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. source Ceased reporting births and clinical depression in detention centers. Downgraded self harm. source Forcefully and unapologetically separated a mother and her newborn child. source Cut $300 million from child care staff subsidies. source Introduced a bill which allows for unpaid union officials in elected roles to be jailed for up to 5 years and fined up to $340,000. source Cut $2.3 billion from higher education, and removed start-up scholarships (thereby significantly increasing the debt of the poorest students) and removed the 10% HECS discount for paying up-front. source Increased superannuation tax for the poor, and decreased it for the rich. source Tried to scrap the school kids tax concession (thereby increasing the cost of living for families by $16,000 per school child over their education). source Withdraw all Commonwealth funding for Commonwealth supported places at University. source Scrapped the Australian Animals Welfare Advisory Committee, Commonwealth Firearms Advisory Council, International Legal Services Advisory Council, National Steering Committee on Corporate Wrongdoing, Antarctic Animal Ethics Committee, Advisory Panel on the Marketing in Australia of Infant Formula, High Speed Rail Advisory Group, Maritime Workforce Development Forum, Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, Insurance Reform Advisory Group and National Housing Supply Council (all in one day). source Provided $2.2 million for miners and farmers to fight against native title claims. source Cut $435 million from the Renewable Energy Agency. source Unwound same sex marriage laws in ACT. source source Scrapped the Social Inclusion Board (an anti-poverty advisory group). source Used Wikipedia as a source to support a claim which was actually contradicted by Wikipedia. source source Declared bushfires unrelated to climate change. source source Mandated that all public servants should incorrectly refer to boat arrivals as “illegal”. source source source Sent no one important to the international climate summit. The people who did go went in tee-shirts, giggled and were so insensitive and disrespectful that there was a walkout by other countries. source Proposed privatising HECS. source Tried to raise the debt ceiling by $200 billion. source Moved to protect companies from boycotts against them (e.g. for using slave labour or destroying the environment) thereby undermining the foundation of capitalism by reducing consumer power. source source Kept Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations secret, even though it threatens the very foundations of our democracy. The leaked agreement would allow international companies to sue governments if their profits are diminished by environmental, indigenous land rights or anti-child-sweatshop laws. The TPP would give corporations many of the same rights that individuals have. There is no expiration date or separation clause, so once signed, it’s here forever. source source source Broke an election promise by trying to scrap the 2020 emissions target. source source Scrapped the Climate coalition. source Cut 600 CSIRO staff. source Donated $2 million worth of patrol boats to help Sri Lanka stop people fleeing proven genocide, human rights abuse, war crimes and extra judicial killings. source source source source Excused torture in Sri Lanka. source Chose not to appoint a minister for science, for the first time in half a century. source Appointed a man as minister for women who said “I don’t support womens’ causes”. source source Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

But apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:19:36
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700261
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source

(snip)

Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source
Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:21:04
From: Michael V
ID: 1700262
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

You seem fairly quick to defend him, mate. Just sayin’.

You got a little chubby for the man from marketing?

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source Lied by claiming they had implemented the majority of recommendations from the Banking Royal Commission, when they had only completed a minority. source Removed the names of many Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from the register of stranded Australians. source Deleted warnings of dangerous right-wing extremism in a senate motion about extremism, despite advice from ASIO that it is a serious and growing threat. source Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. source Offered foreign gas companies $50 million to extract gas from the Northern Territory. source Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. source Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. source Wound back consumer protections introduced as a result of the banking royal commission. source Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. source Voted against hangin

Sorry. TL;NP;NBP;DR

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:21:26
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700263
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source

(snip)

Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source
Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

FWIW, each claim is backed up by its source here. https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:21:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700264
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

I am one of the 48% (I thought it was 49%) who’s representatives get shut down in Parliament.

You do realise that’s what normally happens to the losing side in every election no matter which side wins.

Complaining that the side you support gets shut down in parliament seems fairly silly to me.

I didn’t vote for Scomo, so I’m not one of the 52%, or whatever the figure actually is, but I respect the democratic vote.

yeah sarahs mum was one of those rioters who stormed Capital Hill on 2021-01-06 protesting the stolen election and … wait

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:21:48
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700265
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:21:52
From: Michael V
ID: 1700266
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

The fact that Scomo allowed the states to do a decent job of managing the pandemic doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at him for being a clueless clown.

2020 was the year I was glad to have states no matter what DV says/

+1

Me too.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:24:25
From: transition
ID: 1700268
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL, this is getting crazier and crazier.

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

I just took he was setting an example, braving the cameras to set an example, no easy task braving the cameras, all the love out there

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:24:35
From: sibeen
ID: 1700269
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

FWIW, each claim is backed up by its source here. https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

Fuck me, the first claim source links to a news article:

Charter flight operator: We could bring stranded Aussies home but government won’t let us

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/01/17/stranded-australians-chartered-flights/

That’s fucking woeful and rather laughable.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:24:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700270
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

I am one of the 48% (I thought it was 49%) who’s representatives get shut down in Parliament.

You do realise that’s what normally happens to the losing side in every election no matter which side wins.

Complaining that the side you support gets shut down in parliament seems fairly silly to me.

I didn’t vote for Scomo, so I’m not one of the 52%, or whatever the figure actually is, but I respect the democratic vote.

“Since the start of the 46th Parliament there have been about 538 divisions in the lower house,” Mr Burke wrote.

“Just 18 of those divisions have occurred to pass legislation. A staggering 233 have occurred to prevent Opposition MPs giving speeches. That means government MPs have voted more times to silence their political opponents than they have to make laws – by a factor of 13.”

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/01/28/parliament-debate-gag-labor/

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:25:11
From: Kingy
ID: 1700271
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well of course, I’m like the majority of Australians one of the 52% who voted for him at the last election.
What’s your problem?

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source Lied by claiming they had implemented the majority of recommendations from the Banking Royal Commission, when they had only completed a minority. source Removed the names of many Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from the register of stranded Australians. source Deleted warnings of dangerous right-wing extremism in a senate motion about extremism, despite advice from ASIO that it is a serious and growing threat. source Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. source Offered foreign gas companies $50 million to extract gas from the Northern Territory. source Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. source Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. source Wound back consumer protections introduced as a result of the banking royal commission. source Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. source Voted against hanging the aboriginal flag in parliament during NAIDOC week. source source Loosened enterprise bargaining laws to allows employers to introduce new agreements which are not “better off overall” for employees, in ordinary circumstances not just exceptional ones. source source Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. source Spent money chartering a RAAF flight from Sydney to Canberra, even though Qantas services that route frequently at a seventeenth of the price. source Voted against an inquiry into the privatisation and corporatisation of essential public services. source source Invented new non-standard metrics to measure NBN performance, which make Australia appear to rank higher than otherwise. source Refused to publish a $2.5 million evaluation of the cashless welfare card system because the evaluation found that the $80 million program was not clearly effective. source Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland. source source Merged the Family Court with the Federal Circuit Court. source source source Introduced a scheme to pay community broadcasters to give up spectrum rights, and possibly force the SBS and ABC to give up their spectrum rights, without any plan for alternate uses for those frequencies. source source Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). source Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. source Spent $256 million just to add facial recognition as a login option for government services. source source Cut funding for Homelessness Australia by $41 million, during a recession. source source Introduced instant asset write off tax breaks for businesses during COVID, which will cost over $30 billion, to boost the economy by only $10 billion. source Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. source Introduced a new benchmark system for superannuation funds, to penalise funds that perform relatively poorly in the short term. This means that if some funds make high risk, high return investments, everyone else is incentivised to follow, like lemmings running off a cliff. source Added new rules to force superannuation funds to maximise returns regardless of anything else, which is a step towards disallowing super funds from having ethical and environmental screening, such as not investing in weapons manufacturing, or companies with slavery in their supply lines etc. It’s unclear how any fund can comply with this requirement without choosing maximum-risk investments. source Lied by claiming that a maritime union strike at a port was delaying medical supplies, when the strikers were still processing medical and perishable supplies. source source Increased administrative payments to job finding agencies, totalling $300 million during the pandemic. source Abandoned the prominent goal of a government surplus after repeatedly failing to deliver one 6 years in a row, eventually printing several hundred billion dollars during the pandemic (through bond sales), converting to policy that aligns more with Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). source source source Introduced the Underwriting New Generation Investment Program, which is specifically designed to deliver new electricity generators whose business cases don’t add up (even when ignoring negative externalities), by pushing the risk onto taxpayers whilst keeping the profit privatised (i.e. corporate socialism). source source Tried to spend $3.3 million on a feasibility study grant for subsidising a new coal generator. The company who would build it have no relevant experience. The grant criteria was written after the government decided that they would give the money to this company. Previous feasibility studies have shown that the project is too risky and unprofitable for the private sector. It’s also not eligible for the government’s own Underwriting New Generation Investment program. The government claimed this new generator will reduce power prices for regional Queenslanders specifically, but there is only one wholesale electricity price for all of Queensland, and it’s already 50% cheaper than the cost of new coal generation. source source Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%. source source source source source source Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data. source source Introduced a bill to allow the government to cancel any international agreements between universities, councils, sports institutions and other countries. source source Wound back consumer protections and responsible lending obligations for mortgage brokers which were introduced in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. source source Cut $2 billion in funding for university research, including funding for medical research during the pandemic. source Prevented Australian universities from receiving JobKeeper payments, whilst paying JobSeeker money to a foreign university. (University education is Australia’s third largest export.) source source Loosened corporate financial disclosure rules during the pandemic, preventing investors from lodging class actions against companies who mislead the market through omission of important information. source Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. source source Paid 10 times higher than market rate to buy some land new the new Western Sydney Airport several decades earlier than necessary, after getting a valuation done only by a valuer suggested by the seller. source source Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. source Defined the eligibility criteria for the JobKeeper scheme so loosely that millions of dollars from the government which were supposed to subsidise employees’ jobs were funneled straight out as dividends and bonuses to company shareholders and executives. source source Loosened political donation laws. source source Chose to ignore and not fix a security vulnerability in myGovID, which arose because the chosen authentication protocol is bespoke and does not match standard practice. source Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister. source source Tried to use money allocated for renewable power on new fossil fuel generators. source Tried to redefine what “investment” means in legislation, to allow the government to hand cash to fossil fuel companies, even when they are unprofitable and uneconomic, which demonstrates a strong ideological bias towards certain fuel types, with reckless disregard for economics. source Created red tape which will make it harder for individuals to take class actions against companies which have broken the law. This goes directly against the Coalition’s stated values, which include slashing red tape, and relying on free market solutions (such as class actions) to minimise bad corporate behavior (as opposed to direct legislation). source Spent $2 million on legal fees trying to prosecute a whistleblower who leaked truthful information about serious corruption and crime, which was clearly in the public’s interest. source Voted against a binding code of conduct to ensure politicians act with integrity. source Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy, recommended by an independent body, after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. source Proposed cutting HECS support for TAFE and university students who fail too many courses, which will give institutions a strong financial incentive to pass students who don’t deserve their qualification, whilst also disproportionately disincentivising disadvantaged students from enrolling, such as students from families with no history of tertiary qualifications. source source Opposed a United Nations inquiry into racism and police brutality in the USA. This is in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, when American law enforcement officials wearing no insignia were kidnapping random protestors from the street without due process, and American cops were assaulting journalists, and breaking into multiple innocent people’s homes to shoot them in their sleep. The Coalition government doesn’t want the United Nations to make a big deal out of these systemic incidents. source source source source More than doubled the cost of some university degrees, decreasing the government’s contribution to exactly $0. source source Wasted $10 million on developing a new “made in Australia” logo to replace the well-known kangaroo in a green triangle, only to discard the new, generic looking logo because it looks like the COVID-19 virus. source Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. source Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. source Prevented the Senate from discussing whether to implement the remaining recommendations from the 1991 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody. source Failed to stop the only boat that has posed a real and substantial risk to Australia’s national security. The government chose to grant an exemption to the Ruby Princess cruise ship, resulting in a hundreds of new COVID cases around the country. source Hurt barley farmers by antagonising the Chinese government, who retaliated by slapping an 80% tariff on barley exports. source Suspended requirements that commercial television stations produce at least some content in Australia to create Australian jobs. source Announced $50 million in funding to help the Australian film industry cope during the pandemic, but failed to publish any instructions on how eligible, impacted workers or companies can access these funds. source Increased military spending by $270 billion over 10 years, when the economy and our society were struggling to cope with the pandemic and the worst recession since The Great Depression. source Wasted $20.8 billion by investing $29.5 billion in the NBN so poorly that the end result is valued by the Parliamentary Budget Office at only $8.7 billion. source source Drafted the Religious Discrimination Bill which would allow employers and vendors to make statements of belief, such as a baker telling a same sex couple requesting a wedding cake that they believe the couple will burn in hell, or telling a job interviewee that their religious belief is like a mental disorder. source source source Introduced a new online service for helping allocated assets during a divorce, which uses a proprietary, immature, inscrutable black-box technology just because it’s a popular buzz word these days. source source Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden. source source source Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. source Broke an election promise about providing a trading system to help dairy farmers be more fairly compensated for milk production. source Falsely attributed COVID infection rate success to the buggy, insecure, privacy-invading COVIDSafe app, even though the only cases detected by the app had already been detected by more traditional contact tracing methods, which are faster and more effective. source source Took 21 days to fix a known security vulnerability in the COVIDSafe app. source Reduced the competitiveness of Australia’s technology industry by passing laws which allow the government to force back doors into Australian software products, which makes foreign customers less likely to buy them. The same drop in sales that decimated Huawei is now hurting Australian companies. source Released the COVIDSafe app with a known bug that makes it useless on iPhones when the phone is locked. source source source Ignored security best practices when deploying the COVIDSafe app, choosing not to run a bug bounty, and choosing not to publish the source code promptly, despite promises to do so, which lead to multiple vulnerabilities being discovered by researchers far later than they should have been. source source source Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt. source source Lied when claiming that the USA government cannot view sensitive COVIDSafe data, even though the American encryption back-door laws that allow the US government to force Amazon to hand over the data are the exact same laws which were the inspiration for Australia’s recent encryption back-door legislation. source Cancelled The Rule of Law by preventing journalists from reporting on a case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated. source source Wasted $96 million on administration costs for a single tender, to decide who to sell our own immigration visa system to, only to cancel the plan because privatising an essential service which can only ever be a monopoly is obviously a bad idea. source Introduced a new tax, to incentivise non-NBN users to migrate to the expensive NBN. source Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. source Proposed issuing fines of up to $50,000 to innocent people not suspected of a crime if they don’t hand over passwords for their personal devices to law enforcement. When law enforcement unlock a device after demanding a password, they typically don’t let the user see what was done, don’t tell them what was done, and don’t allow them to call a lawyer to find out their rights. In one case a Border Force officer looked through a series of nude photographs of someone’s partner, without the consent of the user or person in the photo, made inappropriate comments, and possibly made nonconsentual copies of the photos. If a citizen not suspected of a crime withholds a password to prevent this, they’ll be fined. source source Introduced new laws which allow ASIO officers to spy on Australian citizens without getting approval from a judge or anyone independent, and without filing paperwork anywhere. source Introduced new laws which prevent someone suspected of a crime from choosing their own lawyer. source Lied by claiming that only a small range of law enforcement agencies will be able to access data under the metadata retention laws, but actually allowed Centrelink, local councils, education councils and the RSPCA to access it. source Repeatedly approved requests by BHP to increase their greenhouse emissions limits. source Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. source Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose primary industry is neither website building nor education. source Ceased payments to the United Nations climate change fund. source Rejected a request for increasing aerial firefighting funding in the months prior to one of the most lethal bushfire seasons in history. The government claimed “other priorities” in the Department of Home Affairs were more important. The department’s other expenditure includes paying people to snoop through nudes in the phones of Australians not suspected of a crime, and spending $30 million to house one family for a few months. The fires killed 34 people and destroyed almost 10,000 homes. source source source Blamed an unusually bad bushfire season on unprecedented arson, when the evidence suggests most fires were started by lightening. source source Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. source Committed crimes against humanity according to the International Criminal Court at the Hague. source Failed to declare a property worth $1 million in a minister’s declaration of interests. source Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1 million in another minister’s declaration of interests. source Lied about data retention laws, claiming only metadata would be captured (e.g. domain name), when actually full URLs are captured, which includes detail such as the specific queries you give to Google, and specific videos you watch on PornHub. source Lied during an election ad, claiming 6 councils would be eligible for $1 million drought relief grants, when they weren’t. source Asked gay asylum seekers whether they could simply stay in the closet in their home country to avoid persecution, in a legally unsound attempt to find grounds for asylum rejection. source Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. source Lied by claiming that cops who abuse data retention powers will be punished, when hundreds of instances of abuse have gone unpunished. source Claimed that their data retention laws would be used mostly for terrorism and child abuse cases, when it actually is used mostly for drug offenses. source Proposed expanding the scope of data retention laws to include MAC addresses. Since MAC addresses are hard coded into each device’s hardware, this would enable continuous location tracking of everyone’s mobile phone. source Lied by claiming that tax cuts would be paid sooner than the passing of the relevant legislation. source Ceased assessing and listing key threats to native species. source Closed down a bushfire research centre, weeks after Australia’s worst ever bushfire season, which killed 34 people and destroyed over 9000 homes. source Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices. source source source source source Mislead the public by claiming they achieved a surplus, when they were referring to a prediction of a surplus in the future based on overly optimistic assumptions and ignoring reasonably predictable risks such as bushfire and drought. source Tried to count oil owned by Australia stored in the US towards the 90 day emergency stockpile we’re required to hold. source source Lied by claiming the MyGov website was taken down by a DDOS attack, admitting only hours later that it was due to the more obvious reason, which was a sudden, drastic and entirely predictable increase in legitimate load. source source Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. source Paid a reality TV star $260k per year to be a “career ambassador”. This is to promote vocational training as a career choice for young Australians, after they repeatedly cut TAFE and apprenticeship funding. source Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it. source source source Removed the Department for arts, rolling those functions into the department that handles telcos and roads. source Cut all foreign aid to Pakistan, and cut aid to Nepal by 42%. source Refused to provide any information when questioned in parliament about an Australian who was secretly imprisoned in Australia, for a secret crime, after a secret trial, an even the prisoner’s name is a secret. Lied by saying the prisoner consented to the secrecy. source source Voted down legislation to increase the Newstart allowance. source Introduced a limit on cash transactions of $10,000, in a move towards a cashless society, so that it then becomes possible to have negative interest rates and have consumers pay banks to store their savings. source Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. source Removes all mentions of “consent” from new legislation about sharing of personal data in the public sector. source Proposed reversing the onus of proof, so that citizens may be considered guilty until proven innocent, for tax fraud and money laundering crimes. source Lied about their new anti-union legislation, claiming unions can’t be deregistered as punishment for any single wrongdoing, when the legislation does permit that. source Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. source Granted ministers to power to use the military to quell domestic protests and industrial action, including shoot-to-kill powers when infrastructure is at risk (such as an environmental protest threatening a coal generator). source Spent $30 million detaining a single asylum seeker family for a few months. source Lied about the nation’s oil reserve, claiming it is 90 days when it their own figures say 58 days. source Voted down a parliamentary declaration that we’re facing a climate emergency. source Lied by claiming their religious discrimination bill was not intended to override states’ anti-discrimination laws. The actual documents tabled in parliament explicitly says it is. source source source Appointed someone in their sixties as Minister for Youth. source source Paid $9 million for a contractor to do literally nothing, because the government abruptly cancelled the contract and instead gave it to a less experienced and less qualified company. source Forecast an increase in wage growth despite simultaneously forecasting no decrease in unemployment. (So employers would pay more for no economically rational reason.) Each year they consistently forecast optimistic wage growth which consistently fails to actually happen. source Simultaneously proposed plans to support electric vehicles and ridiculed plans to support electric vehicles, within the same week. source Lied about the budget being “in the black”. source Lied by claiming to have introduced and passed non-existent legislation to prevent the mass extinction of threatened species. source Approved construction of a mine even though the company said they cannot promise that they won’t make the local rare species extinct, and that they cannot be bothered checking to see whether any member of those species does eventually survive the mine’s operation. source Admitted their promise to spend $2 billion building a fast train link between Geelong and Melbourne will actually cost $4 billion, and they don’t have the other $2 billion. source Introduced a law which allows the government to revoke the citizenship of whistleblowers, minor vandals and people who provide humanitarian assistance in conflict zones. source source Lied about Australia’s emissions, claiming they had decreased when they had actually increased to an record high. source Promised the creation of 1.25 million jobs without doing any calculation or modelling to arrive at that number. source Blocked the construction of Australia’s first offshore wind farm, which would create 12,000 jobs and meet 20% of Victoria’s electricity demand. source Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. source Voted against a United Nations motion for increased sexual education about women’s health, opposition to female genital mutilation, and access to safe abortion. source Cut funding for financial support for asylum seekers by $87 million. source Housed refugees close to large volumes of potentially deadly asbestos. source Spent $1 million from their Emissions Reduction Fund on a fossil fuel generator which would have been built anyway. source Spent $21.5 million over 10 months with an unsigned contract on a health contractor known to have a fatal lack of “necessary clinical skills”. source Charged taxpayers $1700 for the Roads Minister and his spouse to attend a fancy dinner party for the agriculture industry. source Spent $200,000 on chartered flights for ministers to travel between parliament and their electorate. source Spent $400 million on a problem plagued automated system which recovered only $500 million of unpaid debt, through an illegal “guilty until proven innocent” approach. source source Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. source Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack. source source Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling. source source Broke an election promise to establish a register of shell company ownership, to fight corporate tax dodging. source Shared personal information about petition signatories with a private company, without those people’s consent, so that the company can send those people spam. source Prevented a vote for a royal commission into abuse in the disability sector, with a filibuster. Question time was extended to the longest session ever. source source Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it. source source Gave lawyers only 36 hours to respond to a proposal for legislation for a sex offender register. We do not have a murderer or burglar register. Under existing laws, consenting 16 year-olds sending nudes to each other are technically sex offenders, who may be named and shamed on the proposed register. source Exempted the Adani coal mine from a normal water impact assessment because they believe 12.5 billion litres is not “significant”, and because the water pipeline built solely to support the mining project is a non-mining project on paper. source Cut $1.2 billion from aged care, and then denied doing so. source Cut TAFE funding again, this time by $270 million. source Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. source Lied about the Assistance and Access bill not forcing software developers to make their code less secure. The first item in the bill’s list of “acts or things” is “removing one or more forms of electronic protection”. source source source Spent $37,000 for flights for one minister for one day, to attend meetings which could have probably been made via a video call. source Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. source Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. source Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. source Rejected recommendations from the Productivity Commission that the government add a “fair use” exemption to copyright law, and to change the law to explicitly protect Australians who circumvent geoblocking barriers to access paid content. source Spent $400,000 to help train the Myanmar military, who were known to be guilty of ongoing genocide against the Rohingya people, and were later responsible for a literal coup to overthrow their government. source source Punished an asylum seeker for reporting sexual assault committed by a government contractor, and lied about forwarding the complaint to the police. source Spent $320,000 on legal fights denying asylum seekers urgent medical transfers to the mainland to treat life-threatening conditions. source Secretly blocked funding for $4 million in humanities research projects, which were already approved by the government’s research approval body (ARC). source Introduced a new reason for rejecting government funding of research proposals. Research which doesn’t advance the national interest will be rejected. Historically important yet socially controversial research like evolution and the sun-centric solar system would have been rejected under this model. source Spent $16,880 on personal stationary for just one minister for one year. source Spent $20k making custom phone apps for a single senator. A website would have sufficed. source Ignored advice from 3 government bodies, choosing to instead allow a private company to build environmentally damaging infrastructure in a World Heritage Area, in violation of zoning rules. source Handcuffed an innocent child whilst preventing her from receiving urgently needed medical treatment. source Gave corporate welfare to fund coal generators, through a grant which they claim is “technology neutral”, despite it specifying a narrow range of technologies. source Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. source Rolled out the My Health Record to the whole country as an opt-out system, despite safety concerns about how abusive stalkers can use it, and despite the trial involving 9 security breaches. 42 more security breaches happened within weeks of the system being rolled out nationally. source source Cut funding for the Foodbank charity for a third time. This time $323,000 was cut just before Christmas. source Spent half a billion dollars on an upgrade for a war memorial. source Gave money from a fund for Indigenous advancement to a fishing corporation to help it fight Indigenous land claims. source source Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. source Cancelled the citizenship of someone who’s citizenship application was approved 18 years ago, who has lived in Australia for 41 years. source Proposed the underwriting of coal power plant construction. Risks too high for the private sector will be thrust upon taxpayers, whilst the profit will remain privatised source source Doubled the amount spent on external consultants, after cutting public sector staff. source Cut one third of jobs from the Department of Environment. source Charged taxpayers for VIP plane flights to fly the Prime Minister between destinations on his “bus tour”. source source Spent $9000 buying hundreds of hard copies of a book which is available online for free. source Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian. source source Charged taxpayers $2000 per month for one minister’s home Internet connection. source source Reduced the income threshold at which graduates start paying back HECS debt, down to $45,000. source Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case. source source source Proposed plans to privatise the visa application system. Referring to this core function of a sovereign government as a “business” which should be “commercial” and “profitable”. source Removed emissions reduction targets from the National Energy Guarantee. source Outsourced top-level security clearance vetting to private contractors who transport sensitive documents via private courier, occasionally to the wrong address. source Refused a visa application on character grounds for a whistleblower who disclosed war crimes. source Refused a temporary visa application for a 10 year old boy to visit his father because the boy did not have a full time job. source Drafted laws granting ‘shoot to kill’ powers to military soldiers during riots. source source Sent $440 million of Reef research funds to an obscure private organisation, instead of one of the many relevant public agencies, and without any application process. source source source Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. source Assigned $48.7 million to a Captain Cook memorial. There are already 35 Captain Cook memorials in Australia. The money was taken from the ABC budget. source source source source Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). source Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published. source source source Threw $700k at blockchains. source Spent $3.6 billion to keep an old, dirty coal power station running for a few more years, when the alternative renewable generation plan would be $1.4 billion cheaper. source Increased the difficulty of the citizenship English test, so that applicants who are able to speak “basic” English will be rejected. source Deliberately destroyed water supplies at a Manus Island detention centre, to force refugees out of the camp and into unfinished alternative sites. source Chose not to take back money given to an exploitative coffee chain who violated the terms of the payment which was part of the PaTH program. source Spent $300k on 60 seconds of advertising to spruik new energy policies designed to reduce power bills. That amount of money could have been spent to pay the annual energy bills of 5000 typical houses. source Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10. source source Cut university funding again, this time by $2.1M. source Banned the Eureka flag and all union symbols and slogans from personal equipment on federal construction sites, no matter how small or subtle they are. source Spent $2.2 million on giant fans to protect the Great Barrier Reef from global warming. source Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. source Accidentally exposed the personal health records of millions of Australians, including whether they have had abortions or are on HIV medication. source Introduced a bill to permit businesses to discriminate based on customers’ sexual activity or gender. source Proposed selling biometric data of citizens to private corporations. source Proposed a law to introduce 2 year jail sentences for anyone who uses the Australian Coat of Arms without authorisation, including satirical websites who do not intend to deceive, and including when no harm comes from the unauthorised use. source Tried to reduce the number of tertiary courses eligible for Austudy report. source Proposed a law which would further destroy citizen’s right to freedom from arbitrary detention, by giving police the power to imprison people for 14 days without arrest. source Introduced a national facial recognition surveillance program, which will collate faces from CCTV cameras and other sources and share them with private companies, and claimed such a program “doesn’t involve surveillance” and will increase citizen’s privacy. source source Told tender applicants for a $90B ship-building project that they don’t need to spend any of that construction money in Australia. source Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. source Introduced new procurement rules which will cost telcos $184k per year in paperwork and compliance. source Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. source Spent $7000 in one month for wine for one minister, and fought against a Freedom of Information request into the spend. source Kicked 100 asylum seekers into the street, taking their income away with no notice, after preventing them from working. source Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation. source source Kept secret government data showing higher than expected emissions increases. source Illegally detained Australian citizens on Christmas Island because they failed character test. source Cut all funding for the 40 year old Haymarket health clinic for the homeless, resulting in its closure. source Lied about when they found out about the sale of Medicare data on the black market. source Claimed to have not suffered a cybersecurity breach after the systems storing sensitive Medicare information had their security breached, and that sensitive information was put up for sale on the black market. source Added politically weighted questions about coal to the citizenship test. source Paid companies to hire young people for entry level jobs at far less than the minimum wage. There is evidence that companies replace real jobs with these underpaid ones. One such company killed a person by not avoiding obvious and easily foreseeable risks. They were fined only $70k. source source source Chose not to appoint any climate scientists to the Climate Change Authority. source Tried to allow the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in coal. source source Blocked the construction of a wind farm because of the ‘visual impact’, even though 92% of locals wanted it. source Failed to comply with the mandatory ‘Top 4’ cyber security strategies, in multiple departments. source Loosened protections for indigenous land owner rights. source Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. source Lent $100M to a foreign company which does not operate in Australia, for construction of a coal mine which won’t employ any Australians or contribute to the Australian economy at all. This mine so bad for the environment that if it goes ahead, the world will not stay under 2 degrees of global warming. source Spent $12M per year on flights for NBN staff. source Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students. source source Introduced a new tax, of at least $7.10 per month per NBN fixed line user. source Cut the foreign aid budget again, this time by $300 million. source Voted against changes which would reduce the wait times for medicinal cannabis from months down to hours. It currently takes up to 19 months to get approval for 3 months worth of medication. source source Started drug testing welfare recipients without consulting legal, medical or drug experts. They simultaneously claim people will be selected randomly and also based on data driven profiling tools (i.e. not random). source source source Introduced a policy very similar to the First Home Buyer’s Account policy they scrapped a few years earlier, with the main difference being that it involves using Superannuation for something other than retirement savings. source Spent around $10k per person per year for a cashless welfare card trial, for welfare payments worth $14k per person per year. Almost half of the participants claimed the trial made their lives worse. source source Broke a promise to put in safeguards to prevent their data retention scheme from being abused. (Police illegally accessed the data within 2 weeks of retention commencing.) source source Cut university funding again, this time by 2.5%. source Approved the sale of weapons to a country accused of committing war crimes and killing 10,000 innocent civilians. source source Rejected advice from a taskforce it set up, which provided recommendations to reduce foreign visa abuse, and then claimed the 457 visa is too prone to abuse. source Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. source Claimed many ‘community leaders’ support the cashless welfare card, but refused to list such supporters when asked. source Claimed that using more wind power and less coal power will increase emissions. source Prohibited the Aboriginal Legal Service from giving evidence at a legal enquiry into the loosening of racial hate-speech laws. source Re-established the construction industry watchdog, which spent $100,000 investigating two mates for having a cup of tea on site. source Spent over $3,000 to send the minister for Immigration to a monarchist fundraiser. source Forced public servants to move from Canberra to Armidale, prior to establishing new office facilities. They now do their work in the local Macca’s. source Introduced NBN ‘Fibre to the curb’, which is almost identical to the ‘Fibre to the premise’ approach they criticised. source Introduced a bill which would allow the government to publicly release veteran’s personal information (such as medical records) without their consent. source Refused to release a report into the death of a person on the government’s Work for the Dole program. source Skipped the normal assessment process for large infrastructure projects when deciding to proceed with the WestConnex project. source Paid the first $500 million for the WestConnex project well before the funding was needed. source Voted against a motion to extend the privacy act to cover political parties. source Changed Newstart eligibility so that 22 to 24 year-olds get Youth Allowance instead, which is $90 less per fortnight. source Excluded offshore detention centres when ratifying the Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture. source Appointed a mining lobbyist as the PM’s climate change advisor. source Increased the number of IT contractors for the government, even though they cost $80,000 more per person per year than having actual IT staff. source Cut $180,000 from children’s dental care funding, and almost $300 million for adult dental care. source Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. source Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. source Fined welfare recipients for not attending ‘hygiene’ and tie-dying classes. source Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. source Changed public servant super laws to reduce the retirement payout of long-term teachers, police and nurses by tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. source Conducted an inquiry into housing affordability which gave no recommendations on how to help fix housing affordability. source Spent $26 million and laid off 93 scientists to move the location of the agricultural chemicals and veterinary medicines regulator. source Made an ‘action plan’ to deal with record level bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, which lacked any new actions or funding. source Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. source Indefinitely detained someone based on information obtained through torture. source Axed 900 jobs in the national flight control agency, despite concerns that losing so many staff will compromise safety. source Spent $83,000 on a baggage lift at The Lodge. source Flew 23 staff to the Australian embassy in Paris to discuss saving money. The government does not know how much the flights and accommodation cost. Others estimate it was $200,000. source Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. source Increased the cost of a Visa for bands touring to Australia by 600%. source Gave $4 billion in tax cuts to the richest fifth of the population. source Put the 000 call service out to tender, despite their own review saying not to. source Cut $68 million from the Bureau of Statistics’ funding. source Introduced a second internet filter. Internet consumers will be forced pay their telcos to block websites which foreign film companies dislike. The Liberals have accepted millions of dollars of donations from those foreign companies. source source Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. source Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration. source source Wasted over $98,000 by buying and then cancelling flights. source Proposed charging 9% interest on all debts owed to CenterLink. source Cut $50 million from dental healthcare funding. source Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. source Chose not to add HIV prevention medication PrEP to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, which would have brought down the cost of the proven medication from $1000 per month to $30 per month. source Handed out $9 million to a foreign coal mining company. source Spent over $200,000 sending Border Force staff to a luxury hotel which specialises in corporate team building through circus lessons and Segway tours. source Proposed a law which will allow Australians to be sentenced to life in prison, without being charged for a crime. source Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. source Spent over $100 million per year on military operations in Afghanistan, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Removed subsidies for blood sugar test strips. Now 600,000 diabetics will be forced to pay $60 per box instead of $1.20. source Decided that foreign born, adopted Australians can no longer use their Australian birth certificate as proof of Australian citizenship. source Had UNESCO censor a report on climate change to remove all mentions of Australia and the Great Barrier Reef. Large sections of the reef have already been bleached because of climate change. source Sacked 74 scientists in Antartica. source Locked up a dying New Zealander who wants to go to New Zealand. The man has had 20 heart attacks, and is close to death. He has finished serving a jail sentence, yet remains imprisoned. source Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. source Accidentally leaked the contact information of thousands of women in a confidential database. source Changed the operation of Australia’s rape and domestic violence hotline so that counsellors no longer need three years of experience and a tertiary qualification in psychology or social work, and so that victims must now disclose their abuse story to twice as many people before getting help. source Cut all funding for Australia’s only eating disorder helpline. source Claimed that refugees simultaneously are taking our jobs whilst also taking our welfare. source Cut $20 million from the National Library, resulting in 28 job losses and the halting of all document digitisation. source Provided no workers compensation for Australian staff injured in offshore detention centres. source Refused to publicly release a video of illegal whaling. source Claimed that Australia’s largest coal mine (which will export more coal than our entire nation consumes) will not contribute to climate change. source Proposed a government funded internship scheme where companies are paid lots of money to hire short term interns for $4 per hour with no award protections. source source Gave permission to a shipping company operating only in Australian waters to sack their Australian crew and hire foreigners for $2 an hour. source Proposed blocking students from going to university if their ATAR is too low, even if the course has spare spaces and is happy with their ATAR. source Proposed forcing students to pay back HECS earlier if they have parents or a long term partner with an income over a threshold. source Waited 22 hours before air-lifting a critically ill refugee to an adequately equipped hospital. He died the next day. source Rejected an offer from New Zealand to take 150 asylum seekers who are currently being illegally held in Australian detention centres. source Spent $300,000 on a single lunch, for business mates. source Cut $650 million in bulk billing incentives for pathology. source Spent $39 billion on new submarines, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Proposed new powers for job agencies so that they can fine unemployed people, without any oversight, and with minimal avenues for recourse. source source Offered an indigenous organisation half the pay rise offered to most other public sector organisations. The pay rise is below inflation, so amounts to a pay cut. source Proposed the abolition of the independent organisation that sets the minimum wage for truck drivers. source Cut all funding to Australia’s only youth-led sexual health organisation. source Ran out of money to pay Army Reserves. source Proposed using government funds allocated for climate change action to build a 1.2GW coal plant. source Lied about releasing all children from immigration detention. source Spent $3.3 million on another study into ‘wind turbine syndrome’, even though their own senate inquiries have shown there’s no such thing. The committee had all articles rejected by scientific papers, and provided no advice to the government in its first 2 years. source source Prohibited people who owe money to CenterLink from leaving the country, regardless of how small the debt is or how soon they will return. source Spent $45,000 replacing lost and stolen devices for just one department. source Reneged on their promise to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria, instead accepting 26. source Spent $55 million to resettle just two refugees in Cambodia. source Cut domestic violence leave for public servants. source Scrapped the “Safe Schools” anti-bullying program, on the National Day of Action Against Bullying. source Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. source Claimed that scrapping negative gearing would simultaneously increase and decrease house prices. source Spent $15.4 million on research into globally damaging an increasingly unprofitable fossil fuels. source Requested in inquiry into an anti-bullying program which focused on fostering tolerance for queer youth. source source Spent $1.3 million on CCTV surveillance for an impoverished indigenous community who are desperately in need of more funding for education, health, housing and welfare. source Cut funding for research missions by a world class marine science ship, instead renting out the ship to foreign fossil fuel companies looking for oil and gas in Australian waters. source Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. source Proposed new broad powers for the Attorney-General so that the government can demand that telcos do unspecified “things”, which could include filtering the internet, tracking everyone’s browsing history and more. source Attempted to exempt telcos and law enforcement agencies from laws requiring users to be notified if their personal information has been breached. source Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. source Cut the pension for 35,000 public service retirees. source Spent $1.3 million on medals for Border Force staff, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Increased the cost of pap smears. source Told myGov users to downgrade the security on their account when travelling overseas, which is when security risks are highest. source Refused to allow the family of a terminally ill man to temporarily enter Australia to see their son one last time before he died. source Paid Telstra $80 million to fix the copper network which Telstra sold to the government. source Proposed an exemption so that internet providers and some other companies are not required to inform customers when their data is stolen by malicious third parties. source Spent almost $6000 to fly a minister’s family to a coastal holiday. source Violated international law by illegally conducting war in Syria. source source Refused to give citizenship to eligible permanent residents, years after their refugee claims were accepted. source Spent $1770 on 3 bean bags. source Paid $1.5 billion for the East West Link far earlier than necessary, so that it would fall into Labor’s financial year, to make them look worse. source Started regularly strip searching innocent females on Nauru, with only male staff present. source Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned zoo visits for children in detention, deeming them “inappropriate”, and ruling that they must remain imprisoned instead. source Made refugees work with deadly friable asbestos without any training and almost no equipment. source Appointed a Windfarm Commissioner, who is paid $205,000 per year for the part-time job, who received only 2 valid complaints in its first year. source source source Refused to investigate, prosecute or do anything to a foreign company who built a large port and cut down large areas of forest home to endangered species, without environmental approval. source Introduced cashless welfare cards to reduce the autonomy and control that support recipients have over their spending. source Removed the requirements that crews on ships operating for months between Australian ports get paid Australian-level wages. source Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. source Spent $1.3 billion on replacements for Defence Force Land Rovers, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Funded ethnic cleansing and war crimes in PNG. source Tried to remove exclusion zones around abortion clinics which are designed to protect patients from harassment. source Voted against a motion which called for independent investigation of the bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan by the USA, which is a war crime. source Refused to give counselling to a pregnant woman prior to an abortion. The woman was raped whilst in our asylum seeker prisons. source Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. source Spent $18.5 million on a facial recognition program to log and spy on every Australian, store social media photos and potentially conduct live tracking of all citizens. source source Spent $80,000 on catering for a week long trip to Cape York and Torres Strait, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Forced an asylum seeker to pay for medicine to treat an injury they got when a government employee physically assaulted them. source Laughed and joked about the pacific islands whose very existence is threatened by climate change sea rises. source Scrapped the requirement that the board members of the National Disability Insurance Scheme have actual experience with disabilities (either personally, or through someone close). source Started advertising the jobs of the National Disability Insurance Scheme board without notifying the current board. source Lied about how many refugees we take. source Spent $21,000 of government money to fly a minister somewhere to give a speech about the need to stop wasteful government spending. source Cited ‘the boats have stopped’ as evidence that the economy is doing well. source Told an Australian company to sack their Australian employees and hire foreigners, in order to remain competitive under the government’s new shipping deregulation rules. source Spent $24,000 on koala hire for a G20 photo opportunity, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent over $100,000 on flags for the G20 summit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Broke an election promise to cut the company tax rate by 1.5%. source Broke an election promise to introduce a new paid parental scheme. source Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. source Broke an election promise to not change GST, by removing the exemption for online purchases. source Did not attempt to conduct privacy impact assessments for 90% of their terror bills. source Lifted a ban on the import of a particular shotgun which has a fast firing rate and seven shot magazine capacity. source Spent $24.6 million on an advertising campaign to spruik the benefits of a trade deal (whose content is secret), despite the alleged budget emergency. source Illegally gave approval to an environmentally damaging mine. They then criticised those who pointed out the crime, and tried to change the law so that environmentalists cannot take legal action against illegal mines. source Refused to offer treatment and support to an asylum seeker who was raped on Nauru. source Lied about banning certain muesli bars and other products on Manus Island which have ‘Freedom’ in the brand name. source Proposed a plan to prioritise the applications of refugees who pay the government large sums of money over less fortunate refugees. (a.k.a. a bribe.) source Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation. source source Spent $14.4 million to get support for outdated and insecure software, instead of using current versions. source Waited 3 months before giving medication to a toddler with tuberculosis (a potentially fatal illness). source Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. source Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. source Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. source Held innocent asylum seekers in the same facilities as convicted rapists and murderers. source Spent $90,000 to send The Speaker to Europe for a fortnight so that she could apply for a job. source Spent $5,000 on a helicopter so that Bronwyn Bishop wouldn’t have to travel 1 hour by car to get to a Liberal fundraising event. source Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. source Spent $500,000 on Australian flags in just 6 months, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) from investing in wind power and small scale solar power. source Banned telcos from seeing warrants for metadata access requests issued to chase down journalists sources, thereby undermining the purpose of the warrant system. source Removed the requirement for skills assessments of foreign electricians working under a Temporary Work visa. source source Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. source Spent $500,000 on flags in just 6 months. source Used classified ASIO documents as props during a photo shoot. source Broke an election promise by scrapping Medicare locals. source Denied asylum seekers the right to make Freedom of Information requests for information the government has about them. source Admitted that an innocent senator was spied on by government employees whilst performing her job. The government initially labelled the senator an “embarrassment to this country” because they said the claims were “complete nonsense”, despite knowing they were true. source source Incorrectly claimed that the Lindt Cafe gunman was linked with ISIS. source Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. source Illegally paid people smugglers money to turn boats around, in order to disrupt their business model. source source Cut $13 million from the Australia Council and Screen Australia. source Cut $105 million from the Australian Council for the Arts without bothering to consult anyone in the arts industry. source Introduced 2 year jail sentences for doctors who disclose government wrongdoing and the high rates of health problems in immigration jails, even if the disclosures are in the public interest. source Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. source Refused to offer any assistance to thousands of innocent refugees stranded offshore in our region. source source Proposed new powers to banish Australians suspected of terrorism, possessing a ‘thing’ related to terrorism, downloading a single file related to terrorism, vandalising commonwealth property or entering a ‘no-go zone’ country even for innocent purposes. Each guilty verdict would be made by a minister, not a court. The government does not have to prove the suspects are guilty. The new laws may contravene the 1961 United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. source source source source Cut funding for an anti-deaths in custody service, the creation of which was recommended by the 1991 Deaths in Custody Royal Commission. source Granted the Immigration Department and local councils the power to search through the stored metadata of all citizens (and they won’t need a warrant). source source Tried to pass off all responsibility for “matters of national environmental significance” to the states, who have weaker environmental protections. source Proposed ‘ag-gag’ laws, under which activists who expose illegal animal cruelty can be imprisoned if they take more than 48 hours to go to the police. source source Chose to leave the Minister’s Council on Asylum Seekers and Detention empty. source Asked the Nauru government to block access to Facebook. source Cut all funding for The Conversation, a website which allows academics to promote and explain their research to a broader audience. source Censored data revealing shockingly high rates of mental illness amongst immigration detainees. source Spent $200,000 per year on gardening at Kirribilli House. source Spent $700,000 to rebrand “NBN Co” to “nbn TM”. source Lied about the cost of the price on Carbon. source Scrapped the domestic violence education program in schools. source Failed to name the leader of ISIS on the day they sent 330 troops to a war against ISIS. source Spent $4 million for the ‘Australian Consensus Centre’, a climate denial center to be run by someone with no qualifications in science or economics. The government had already cut all funding for the Australian Climate Commission, citing a lack of funds. source source Withdrew from Australia’s commitment to limit global temperature rises to two degrees. source Granted immigration detention centre staff greater immunity against repercussions for inappropriate uses of force. They now have greater immunity than police officers. source Scrapped a public inquiry into law enforcement agencies access to journalists’ telecommunications data, for the purposes of identifying journalists’ sources. source Spent $6 million on a movie which is supposed to deter people from fleeing genocide, war crimes, torture and other persecution. No English dubs or subtitles are available. source source Prevented the release of a ‘name and shame’ list of multinational tax dodging corporations. source Closed the school inside the Nauru detention centre, so that the space can be converted into offices, a staff gym and a staff recreational area. source Prohibited detention centre workers from joining certain political parties, churches and protests even when not identifiable as employees. They can also be fired if an asylum seeker follows them on Twitter without their knowledge. source Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. source Proposed taxing all bank deposits. source source Scrapped the National Produce Monitoring System, which monitors domestic food for dangerous chemicals. source Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. source Tried to pass multiple bills to halve the backpay of intellectually disabled workers who earned only $1 per hour in wages. source Kicked 10 Save The Children workers off Nauru, despite the government having no evidence to support their allegations of sexual and physical assault by the workers against detainees. source Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. source Rejected the crowdfunded offer of free solar panels with free installation for Kirribilli House. source Stripped 8000 public servants of their rights against unfair dismissal. source Prosecuted a white hat hacker who exposed serious security vulnerabilities of some of the ISPs who store the sensitive data of all Australians under the government’s data retention policy. source Closed 150 remote Indigenous communities. source source Breached the international convention against torture. source Proposed scrapping the census. source Defended the use of the War Memorial to hold corporate events for foreign arms manufacturers. source Cut funding to Blind Citizens Australia, Deaf Australia and Down Syndrome Australia. source Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. source Exempted Gmail, Skype and Facebook from their data-retention scheme, thereby significantly reducing its effectiveness. They are exempted because they are not Australian. Hence, Australian email providers will be forced to pay for data retention servers, while competing with non-Australian companies who don’t. source Accused the Human Rights Commissioner of bias, because she published a report into children in detention, finding 233 incidents of assault against children, inside the government’s immigration camps. source Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. source Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. source Spent $17 million on a social media internet filter, allegedly to stop terrorist propaganda. The government believes that peaceful environmental protestors can be “terrorists”. source source Claimed “good government starts today”, after 18 months of governing. source Referred journalists to the police after they reported on immigration matters, including the illegal breaches of Indonesia’s borders. source Lied about the use of weapons by peaceful protesters on Manus Island, when their camp was flooded with armed guards in riot gear. source Chose not to do any modelling whatsoever to determine whether the Emissions Reduction Fund will reduce emissions by the amount they claim it will. source Spent over $80,000 on kitchen appliances. source Knighted Prince Phillip, a non-Australian who asked Indigenous leaders “Do you still throw spears at each other?”. source Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. source Applied to withdraw from a UN convention to protect migratory sharks, 2 months after agreeing to the convention. source Awarded a $6.3 million contract for armored cars for politicians to a foreign company, even though the company did not bid for the tender and an Australian company did. source Criminalised some discussions about cryptography by crytographic academics. source source source Spent more money per student on homeopathy, flower essence therapy and naturopathy tertiary courses than law, economics, languages and humanities. source Proposed the loosening of 457 work visas, allowing foreigners to work in Australia for 12 months, without passing English tests, without the need to look for local workers first. source Spent $88,000 on yoga workshops to improve the emotional intelligence of Immigration Department workers. source Used veto powers to block a UN resolution calling to the end of Israel’s occupation of Palestine. source Spent over $15 million on an advertisement campaign to make university fee deregulation more palatable. source Violated the principle of non-refoulement again, by sending a refugee back to Afghanistan, where he was subsequently tortured for trying to escape. source Scrapped a plan to make coursework masters students eligible for income support. source Cut $44 million over 4 years from the Skills for Education and Employment program which helps jobseekers improve their reading, writing and maths. source Cut $66 million over 3 years from a program which supplements the income of adult apprentices earning less than minimum wage. source Introduced a $900 NBN fee for all new houses. source Cut all funding of homelessness and community housing programs, except the ones they are legally required to fund. source Refused to give visas to refugees who were found to have a well founded fear of persecution, came by plane, passed health checks and passed security checks. source source Appointed a climate change denier as parliamentary secretary to the minister of the environment. source Appointed who said he has “no interest in defence issues” as Minister for Defence. source Cut foreign aid a third time, this time by $3.7 billion. source Spent $120,000 monitoring the media for mentions of the Immigration Department. source Legislated to override all non-refoulement obligations. The government can now send refugees back to countries even if they know for certain that the refugees will be tortured or killed upon return. source Withdrew from the UN Refugee Convention. source Gave millions of dollars to subsidise the training of priests and other religious workers, using the money cut from public, secular universities. source Forced indigenous welfare recipients to work for full time, for 52 weeks a year, to get $5 per hour. source Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. source Claimed that virtual private networks (VPNs) would be exempt from their internet filter, then voted against an amendment to exempt VPNs from their internet filter. source Introduced an internet filter. Consumers and rights groups will not be able to contest blockages. The filter will cost customers $130,000 per year. Village Roadshow Studios donate over $300,000 to the Liberals each year, as do many other studios. source source source source source Gave the Immigration Minister the power to deny or revoke citizenship because someone has a mental illness. source Refused to grant asylum to anyone waiting in refugee camps in Indonesia. source Started another senate inquiry into wind farms, to look at the effect of wind power on power bills, even though the government’s own reviews have already shown that wind power reduces power bills. source source Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. source Gave permission to Chinese companies to sue the Australian government if it implements laws which reduce the corporation’s profits. Australian companies can’t even do the same to the Chinese government. The actual text of the legislation is being kept secret. source Perpetuated the lie of ‘Terra Nullius’. source Chose to not investigate claims of torture and rape by staff in the Manus Island detention centre, because the accused corporation investigated the claims themselves and concluded that they were not guilty. The investigation was done completely internally by Transfield, without any involvement with the Immigration Department. source Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. source Tried to remove the requirement that telecommunications companies disclose how many times they voluntarily handed customer’s data to law enforcement agencies without a warrant. source Bribed murder witnesses with the offer of the rights that they are currently being denied, to make them withdraw their statements about the death of someone who was murdered by the government’s contractors. source Disobeyed Commonwealth value-for-money rules by forcing the Australian Tax Office to spend millions on new offices without making a business case for it or doing a cost benefit analysis. source Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. source Refused to fulfill a senate order to explain the reasons behind a ban on accepting any refugees from Ebola infected countries. No such ban exists for normal immigrants. source Tried to remove the requirement that all free to air TV stations have captions from 6am to midnight. source Illegally refused to grant permanent visas to people found to be genuine refugees, despite their own department and the United Nations Human Rights Council telling them it is illegal. source Appointed 2 Liberal mates to the Migration Review Tribunal even though they were not shortlisted by the selection committee. source source Chose not to tell asylum seekers that sensitive information about their asylum claims, mental health problems and more was stolen again. The data was left on a hard-drive without password protection, outside of the lockable store-rooms. source Reduced the number of charities and aid organisations allowed into the G20 summit from 75 to 3. source Reduced leave allowances for defence force personnel and reduced wage increases to below the inflation rate, just a few days after declaring war. source Introduced laws to allow ASIO to secretly detain people without charge, without any contact to the outside world, and allow them to conduct “coercive questioning” even when less extreme measures are available. Refusal to answer ASIO’s questions would be a crime punishable by imprisonment. source Gave ASIO the power to read, delete and modify anything and everything on the entire internet, with only one warrant. No one can sue them if they use that information or power illegally. If a journalist reports such abuse, they will be jailed for 10 years. source source source Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time). source source Refused to send the Prime Minister to a UN climate summit with 125 other heads of state, even though the Prime Minister was attending another UN summit in the same city the next day. source source Joined the Iraq war 3.0 by recklessly running in with guns blazing without a clear, public and testable objective, without a proposed timeline, without any explanation of why we won’t fail just like the last time and without debating the matter in parliament. The government is calling the war a “humanitarian mission”, even though they cut all foreign aid to Iraq just a few months prior. source source source Spent $12 million trying to convince Sri Lanka to accept 2 boatloads of asylum seekers. source Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. source Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. source Raised the terror threat level to “high”, despite receiving no specific intelligence since claiming that the threat level “has not changed”. source source Refused to give medical treatment to an asylum seeker with a cut on his foot, who later died because of an infection. source Rejected visa applications for unionists who wanted to attend a conference, because they didn’t have enough “personal wealth”. source Tried to introduce WorkChoices again. The changes will make it legal for employers to pay workers in pizza instead of money. Some workers will get less pay while taking annual leave. Employers will be able to veto industrial action. Unions will be stripped of their right to enter a workplace to discuss things will employees during unpaid breaks. Workers will no longer be paid extra for weekend work and overnight work. source source source Scrapped funding for the Red Cross asylum seeker support program. 500 jobs were lost. source Removed the requirement for ASIO to get a warrant before using tracking devices. source Legislated to permit ASIO operatives and associates to commit torture, and any other crime aside from murder, serious injury infliction, sexual assault and property damage. source source source source Legislated so that courts must accept illegally obtained evidence. source Privatised Australian Hearing. source source Increased intelligence agency funding by $630 million, and fought for the power to stop Australians from travelling to Middle Eastern countries, even though the risk of terrorism “has not changed” at the time. Australians who travel to those countries will be guilty until proven innocent. They will face up to 10 years of imprisonment. source source Scrapped the Countering Violent Extremists Program, which involved grants to community programs. source Censored doctors’ reports showing that 1/3 of all detainees suffer from mental illness, and that self harm amongst children is common. source source Axed the Schools Business Community Partnership Brokers program, which has saved thousands of students from dropping out of school. source Introduced Work-For-The-Dole despite their own data showing that such programs are the least effective way of helping people find jobs. source Cut the $16 per patient per day supplement for aged care providers. source Rewrote counterterrorism laws so that Australian tourists returning from Syria and Iraq will be guilty of terrorism until they prove they are innocent. source Broke an election promise by allowing the new multi-billion dollar batch of Navy submarines to be built overseas, despite high levels of unemployment amongst our manufacturing sector. source source Spent $330,000 renovating a single room which has never been used. Including $800 on a single door knob. The cost of leaving it unused but on standby comes to $100,000 per year. source Forced the unemployed to apply for 40 jobs per month. This will bombard businesses with over 1,000,000 applications per day. There’s currently about 1 job availability for every 10 unemployed people, so a lack of job applications is not the problem. source source Introduced mandatory metadata retention schemes for all internet providers. The government admits the changes are not necessary, and that there is no evidence to show that it will improve law enforcement. Warrants will not be required to access the data. The cost of implementing the schemes will come to about another $100 per customer per year. It will be used to punish illegal downloaders. source source source source source Finally admitted that “There’s no crisis at all in the Australian economy”, despite centering their election campaign on the alleged budget emergency. source Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years. source source source source Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. source Falsely claimed that nations around the world are scrapping emissions trading schemes, even though there is currently a net increase in adoption of such schemes. source Remained unapologetic about 10 mothers trying to commit suicide. The mothers hoped that their orphan children would be freed from torturous asylum seeker prisons and cared for. source Forcefully handed over 41 innocent asylum seekers to a genocidal government, despite being aware that many had already been tortured before fleeing. This violates international laws and our own domestic laws. source source Incorrectly explained the mechanics of their own Carbon Price repeal. source Committed maritime piracy by storming boats in international waters at gunpoint, kidnapping and then imprisoning innocent passengers. Maritime piracy constitutes crimes against humanity. source source Claimed pre-First Fleet Australia was “unsettled or, um, scarcely settled”, and called British colonisation a form of foreign investment. source source Cut $44 million from homelessness services. source Removed all mentions of climate change from their extreme weather website. source source Moved to strip environmental organisations from charity status. source source Refused to refer to East Jerusalem as “occupied”, even though the Israeli military has met the specific criteria which constitute the legal definition of occupation, and even though Israel’s own highest court ruled that the region is occupied, and even though the Israelis have built a wall twice as tall as the Berlin Wall to separate the region from the rest of Palestine. source Introduced legislation to allow the government to send asylum seekers back to the country they fled from, even if there is up to a 49% chance that they will be killed or tortured upon return. This violates the principle of non-refoulement, which constitutes human rights abuse. source source source source Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. source Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied. source source Tried to remove the laws that require financial advisors to act in the best interest of their clients, and the requirement that they provide clients with a statement of the fees they’ll be charged each year. source source Refused to let Leo Seemanpillai’s parents come to Australia temporarily for his funeral. He burned himself to death because the Australian Government wanted to send him back to proven genocide in Sri Lanka. His parents have been living in a refugee camp for 2 decades. 2 other people tried to commit suicide the same way within a month of Leo’s death, to avoid being sent back to Sri Lanka. source source source Scrapped the annual $5 million grant to the Red Cross. source Defended the $4.8 million salary of the head of Australia Post, immediately after he cut 900 postal worker jobs to save money. source Lied by claiming asylum claims were being processed in the lead up to the Manus Island riots. source Cancelled meetings with the head of the International Monetary Fund and the president of the World Bank because Mr. Abbott would be told that the government’s support for fossil fuels will heavily damage our economy in the long run. source Failed to model the impact on hospital emergency room waiting times due to the proposed GP fee. source Cut a further $600 million from Indigenous programs, in addition to the $534 million cuts in the 2014 budget. source source Claimed that removing the upper limit on university fees will cause fees to decrease. source Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. source Blamed everyone but themselves for the murder of an innocent person during the Manus Island riots. Contractors, locals and even the victims were blamed. The report identified at least one of the murderers, but he has not been charged with murder. source source Slashed $560,000 from the Refugee Council of Australia. source source Supported Japan’s moves to remove the pacifist parts of their constitution, claiming that the creation of an offensive Japanese military force will help regional stability and peace. (Japan only has a self defence force.) source Offered money to Manus Island detainees if they voluntarily returned to the war crimes, genocide, torture and persecution that they originally fled from. When in opposition the government opposed these same payments. source source Refused to comment about American drone strikes which killed 2 Australians. source Funded PNG’s defence against a legal challenge to the Manus Island detention centre. source Redirected $4 million from the Child Sex Abuse Royal Commission to the Home Insulation Inquiry. source Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) source Tried to scrap the Asbestos Safety and Eradication Agency. source Confiscated medication from asylum seeker detainees. A 3 year old consequently suffered repeated seizures. source source source Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. source Tried to introduce a $7 fee for each time you go to see a GP. They claimed $7 is simultaneously large enough to act as a deterrent (thereby saving money), and small enough that it won’t deter poor, sick people from getting help. source source source Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. source Lied about the presence of a full time psychiatrist on Manus Island. source Cut over $900 million from local council funding. source Scrapped tax breaks for people with a dependent spouse. source Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. source Scrapped The Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership. source Cut $170 million from the Research Training Scheme, which supported research students. source source Spent $12 million to investigate whether to sell off a department for $6 billion, when it makes $0.538 billion per year. source Cut $15 million from Charles Sturt University’s dental health program and oral clinic. source Cut $2.5 billion from aged care programs, such as Meals On Wheels. source Removed financial rewards which encouraged Universities to enroll disadvantaged students. source Scrapped the National Rental Affordability Scheme. source Cut Sunday penalty rates for casual restaurant workers. source Cut $16 million from ANSTO, Australia’s only nuclear research facility, and our only source of medical isotopes. source Slashed $1.1 million used to fight against animal abuse. source Made $110 million of broad-sweeping cuts to the Arts. The only organisation to receive more funding ($1 million more) is coincidentally chaired by the daughter of Rupert Murdoch. source source Cut $28.2 million from the Australia Council, which provides grants for the arts. source Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. source Scrapped the National Water Commission. source Scrapped the National Preventive Health Agency’s $2.9 million National Tobacco Campaign. source Broke an election promise to have over one million roofs with solar panels. source source Broke an election promise by cutting billions from school funding and committing to even less of the Gonski reforms than they did at the election. source source source source Scrapped a program to encourage graduates to take up work in places of need. source Cut $1.3 billion from seniors concessions funding. source Scrapped the Community Food Safety campaign. source Cut $2.3 million from contributions to the World Health Organization. source Scrapped a program which encouraged Australian video game development. source Tried to deregulate university fees, thereby allowing Universities to charge what they want. Students would end up with American levels of crippling debt. Many of the politicians behind this policy received their degrees for free. Average student debt is expected to rise to $100,000, even though Abbott himself said “it is irresponsible to saddle Australians with $25,000 of debt”. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source source source Scrapped the Women’s leadership program. source Broke an election promise by cutting well over $15 billion per year from health funding. source source source source Scrapped the Australian Organ and Tissue Donation and Transplantation Authority, which has helped increase organ donation rates. source Tightened eligibility and lowered indexation for support for injured Veterans. source source Scrapped the Commonwealth Human Rights Education Program. source Scrapped the Education Department’s Online Diagnostic Tools Program, which helped improve teachers’ productivity. source Cut $4.4 million from job interview workshop programs. source Scrapped the Office of Water Science research program. source Reduced the Medicare optometry rebate. source Spent $480 million merging the Department of Immigration and Customs into Border Force, which won’t have to follow public service or Defence Force laws and protocols of conduct. source source Simultaneously increased the cost of petrol and cut funding for public transport. The government argued that disadvantaged people can’t afford cars anyway, so they won’t be hurt by the changes. source source source Scrapped Youth Connections, a program which helped disengaged youth reconnect with work and education. source Removed family tax benefits for children older than 6, and drastically reduced the income threshold for its eligibility and froze it below interest rates. source source Cut $845.6 million from programs which fund innovative start-ups. source Stopped giving under 25s Newstart. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this will violate our human rights obligations. source source source Spent $218 million upgrading Christmas Island’s asylum seeker operations, so that we can whisk off vulnerable people out of side quicker before we start abusing them. source Halved the $2.55 billion emissions reduction fund. source Cut $2 billion from Australian Renewable Energy Agency, Landcare and other environmental agencies. source Cut over half a billion from Indigenous spending. source Cut 16,500 public service jobs, despite promising to create one million new jobs. source Cut the Exotic Diseases program. source Ended the Get Reading! program. source Scrapped the Centre for Quality Teaching. source Cut $111 million from the CSIRO. source source source Cut $120 million from ethanol and biofuel programs. source source Cut all funding to NICTA, a peak ICT technology research company. Coincidentally, NICTA publicly criticised the Coalition’s NBN only a few weeks earlier, claiming fibre-to-node is an inferior option. source source Cut welfare for young people, so they have to survive on $0 per week for 6 months, before being put on a welfare scheme which is below the poverty line anyway. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this breaches our human rights obligations. source source source source source Set aside $245 million for religious chaplains in schools. Secular schools were stripped of the option of hiring a secular equivalent. No guarantees have been made about preventing heterosexist teachings that will make queer students feel sinful and ashamed. (Queer students are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.) Hundreds of secular social workers will lose their jobs. source source source source Scrapped the First Home Buyer’s Account scheme, which provided sorely needed assistance for young people to buy homes. source Broke an election promise by tightening disability pension eligibility and financially penalising anyone who spends at least 4 weeks overseas. source source source Broke an election promise by changing age pension indexation, and eligibility age, and the threshold. source source source Abolished the position of disability commissioner, then created the position of wind farm commissioner. source source Cut all funding to the government’s only dedicated disability website. source source Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC. source source source Cut foreign aid, again. This time by $7.6 billion. source Started charging interest on HECS. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source Reduced the income threshold where graduates start to pay back HECS. source source Cut $138 million from the Australian Federal Police, resulting in 335 job losses. source Scrapped a loan scheme which helped apprentices buy the tools they need to learn and work. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after an unexploded wartime shell was found inside the compound. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after it was leaked that some guards physically and verbally assault children regularly. source Failed to provide adequate medical treatment to asylum seekers on Manus Island who were shot and bashed by locals that invaded the camp and rioted. source source Went $1 million (67%) over budget on the Commision of Audit, an investigation into how taxpayer money can be spent more prudently. source Cut $15 million from Flinders Hospital, then spent $10 million upgrading the field for the Manly Rugby League team. source Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC). source source source Described wind farms as “utterly offensive” and “a blight on the landscape”. source Spent $20 million on an international campaign to discourage people from fleeing war crimes, genocide and other persecution. source Broke an election promise by proposing a deficit tax. source Chose not to debrief any Manus Island detention centre staff after the riots by PNG locals which resulted in the death of one asylum seeker and the hospitalisation of dozens more. source Paid people $1500 per person per day to recommend spending cuts. source Deliberately ignored desperate and repeated pleas by security personnel on Manus Island and the commander of Operation Sovereign Borders requesting stronger fencing, CCTV cameras and better lighting. These requests were made months before locals broke down the fences, shot, stabbed and bashed detainees, none of which was caught on CCTV footage. source Tried to abolish the independent national charity regulation body, which would mean the government would regulate charities, possibly resulting in less impartial regulation. For example, environmental groups stripped of charity status because they oppose government policies. source Removed climate change from the agenda of the 2014 international G20 summit. source Spent about $2 million for Prince William and Kate’s 14 day royal visit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source source Spent $3 billion on new drones to patrol our borders, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent $7.5 million on life boats to send back asylum seekers in. Allegedly the motivation behind the government’s asylum seeker policy is to stop people drowning when travelling from neighbouring countries to Australia in unsafe vessels. Despite this, much of the safety equipment was removed from the boats before sending asylum seekers back into the ocean. source source Prevented internet supplier TPG from installing fibre all the way to customers. The arbitrary bureaucratic hurdles have increased the cost of fibre to premise by 15%. source source Broke an election promise by no longer guaranteeing NBN speeds higher than what ADSL can provide. source Retroactively introduced legislation to classify someone born in Australia as an “unauthorised maritime arrival” because their parents haven’t had their asylum claims processed yet. source source Scrapped a body which provides advice on over $1 billion in tax breaks that are designed to encourage Research and Development, despite promising during the election to improve incentives for Research and Development investment. source Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. source Cut over 300 jobs (about 1 in 3) in the Treasury department. source Cut 400 jobs in the Department of Industry. source Removed anti-sweatshop laws and cut all funding to Ethical Clothing Australia. source Closed all Medicare offices on Saturdays. source Ceased legal assistance for people exercising their right to make a claim for asylum. source Cut 250 jobs from the Federal Environment Department. source source Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. source Increased the eligibility age for the pension. source Claimed that the average electricity bill will be $200 per year lower without the price on carbon, despite relevant power companies rejecting the magnitude of this figure. source Implemented a policy which dictates that public servants should be sacked if they criticise the government in social media, even if their profile does not mention the their employment, and even if the profile is completely anonymous. source source source Chose not to give 300 children almost any schooling during 9 months of detention. source source Threatened staff against speaking out about the mismanagement of the Manus Island detention centre and the attacks against it’s inmates by locals and staff. source Detained people in conditions so inhumane and horrid that three pregnant women asked for abortions, to stop their children suffering in detention indefinitely. The Government has refused to comment. source source Chose not to process any claims for asylum from people detained on Manus Island. source Claimed that all social media is anonymous. source Chose to keep secret the interim report into the riots inside the Manus Island detention centre. source source Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. source Claimed the government will be $13.7 billion better off if the Mining Tax is scrapped, even though the scrapping the tax itself would actually result in a net loss If $3.7 billion. The only savings would be through other cuts hidden in the repeal bill. The biggest of which is the Schoolkids Bonus (an initiative which was never associated with the Mining Tax). The government claims the average household will be better off, but the average household will be $3500 worse off due to repealed subsidies and tax breaks. source source Interfered with the judicial process by transferring asylum seekers to a remote detention centre the day before they started a court case against the Australian Government. The case was about how the government endangered them and their families by accidentally publishing personal details about their asylum claims online. source source Spent more money on detention centres than it would cost to house asylum seekers in Sydney’s most expensive 5 star hotels (per asylum seeker per day). source Started charging people who put in bankruptcy applications, and increased the levy on money earned post-bankruptcy. source Broke international laws by arbitrarily imprisoning children. source Scrapped a program to give asylum seekers free advice on how to navigate Australia’s immigration bureaucracy when exercising their right to seek asylum. The justification for this scrapping was based on the false claim that asylum seekers are illegal. source source source source Tried to reintroduce temporary protection visas. source source Ignored an order from the United Nations Human Rights Committee to release some asylum seekers who are being illegally held without proof or judicial protection, in cruel, inhumane or degrading circumstance. source Reintroduced the British system of knights and dames, only 3 months after saying they would not do so. source Spent $211,000 on public relations staff to make the Medibank Private sale more palatable to the public. source Sold Medibank Private for $4 billion, even though that means the government will lose up to $0.5 billion per year of income from dividends. source source Claimed that all Australians have the “right to be a bigot”. source Refused to grant a human rights lawyer access to the Manus Island detention centre. source Backed PNG’s decision to cancel a human rights inquiry into the Manus Island detention centre. source Issued Manus island detention centre guards with knives designed for noose cutting, because they frequently need to cut down people who try to hang themselves thanks to of the horrid conditions. source source Tried to exempt loggers in Tasmania’s World Heritage forests from the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act, so they won’t have to worry about killing threatened species. source Claimed that the majority of asylum seekers on Manus island won’t be given refugee status, even though more than 90% of all asylum seekers who’ve come to Australia since mid 2009 were eventually found to be genuine refugees, fleeing torture, rape, genocide and persecution. source source Vowed to revive a part of WorkChoices which means construction Industry Enterprise Bargaining Agreements don’t apply to subcontractors doing Commonwealth work. source Refused to support a UN proposal to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. If such crimes been committed, the Abbott government will be guilty of crimes against humanity for forcefully sending refugees back to Sri Lanka, and for actively helping the Sri Lankan military stop people from fleeing their rape, torture and genocide. A Sri Lankan Tribunal has already proven that the Sri Lankan government is guilty of genocide. source source source source source Failed to provide running water to some toilets in the detention centre on Manus Island. source Spent $25 million extending the contracts of the crew on one ship so they could be part of Operation Sovereign Borders. source Provided no soap in the Manus Island detention centre and regularly gave asylum seekers worm infested food. source Proposed amendments to the Racial Discrimination Act so that people who “offend” or “insult” someone because of their “race, colour or national or ethnic origin” will not be legally required to pay compensation. source source Gave $100 million to Australia’s 2 most profitable mining companies, to build a mine which isn’t even in Australia, despite claiming “the age of entitlement is over”, and despite refusing to give corporate welfare to struggling companies who have to sack hundreds of workers. source source source Prevented journalists from interviewing asylum seekers injured in the Manus Island riots. source Lied thrice in one BBC interview by claiming that the Abbott government is considering settling asylum seekers in Australia, and claiming that children in detention go to school, and claiming that asylum seekers on Manus Island are having their claims processed. None of these claims are true. source Cut all welfare ($260,000) for orphans of defence force casualties. source source source Gave state governments an ultimatum: sell off government assets before a certain deadline, (regardless of whether the people or the state government want to) or miss out on billions of dollars of funding. The states would not be allowed to use the money from the sales to pay off debt. Reluctant states were told they could still access federal funds through environmental programs that the Federal Government is trying to scrap. source source source source Justified the logging of forests currently on the world heritage list because Christianity supposedly tells us “the environment is meant for man”. source Ripped $140 billion out of Australians’ superannuation accounts through loosening of consumer protection rules regarding financial planning. source Deported the mother of a 4 year old Australian citizen, thereby separating the child permanently from her only remaining guardian. source Stopped collecting data on gender equality in the workplace. source Threatened to block government funding from arts groups who refuse sponsorship from corporations the artists deem unethical. source Lied to the United Nations about the quality of the Tasmanian forests they want removed from the world heritage list. source Claimed no Sri Lankan asylum seekers have been sent back into danger, despite being in possession of documents which prove at least one asylum seeker was tortured after being forcefully sent back. A Sri Lankan tribunal recently proved that the Sri Lankan government was guilty of genocide. The United Nations Human Rights Commission is currently investigating war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. source source source Suggested most existing major roads should introduce tolls. source Spent $24 billion on new, buggy, spontaneously combusting fighter jets, already years behind schedule, which aren’t going to be built in Australia. The jets can’t run off warm fuel from a truck which has been sitting in the sun (since the fuel tank is used as a heat sink). The software for firing the guns won’t be ready until 3 years after deployment. The software has not passed a security audit. Each plane holds less than 3 seconds of ammunition for the guns. source source source source source source Failed to supply enough food to asylum seekers inside the detention centre on Manus Island. source Secretly defeated an international nuclear disarmament treaty, arguing against a sentence in the treaty which stated that it is in the interests of humanity that nuclear weapons never be used again “under any circumstances”. Australia argued that a disarmament treaty would be less effective at reducing proliferation than having no disarmament treaty. source Kept secret the taxpayer funded 900 page Audit commission report which recommended tightening eligibility for seniors health cards. source Tried to scrap the price on carbon, even though the emissions of relevant companies have dropped by 7% due to the price. source Declined an offer from the Uniting Church to care for unaccompanied refugee children currently in detention centres. The church offered to feed house and clothe them free of charge. source Ridiculed the notion that the minister for women should identify as a feminist. source Started 5 audits of the NBN within the first 7 months of being in power. source Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. source Claimed that loggers are “the ultimate conservationists” during a speech about why the government will not create more national parks. In the same speech Abbott lamented that we have “too much locked up forest”. There are currently over 1000 innocent children locked up in detention centres, presumably this is not “too much”. source source Blamed Qantas job losses on the carbon tax, even though a Qantas spokesman said “Qantas’ current issues are not related to carbon pricing”. source Finally admitted that “Operation Sovereign Borders” is a civilian operation not a military one. source Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. source Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. source Spent over $8 million each year on salaries alone for 95 media staff for the department of Immigration, despite the fact that the department tells the media almost nothing. Those same staff spent over $9,000 in just 2 months monitoring the media for transcripts of their own minister’s press conferences. source source Proposed a “green army” comprised of young people paid less than half of minimum wage without normal workplace protections. source source Cut $3 million in funding for a program to save an endangered rhino species of which there are only 100 left. source Referred to our humanitarian immigration program as “Operation Sovereign Murders”. source Defended spending $3.5 million on a tent kitchen on Manus Island. source Sent asylum seekers back to Indonesia, 3 of which later died trying to cross a river in the jungle they landed next to. source Defended the Manus Island scheme during a press conference about the man who was shot dead in our detention centres by claiming the government is “ending the deaths” of asylum seekers. More refugees have died on Manus island than have been settled. source source Chose not to send any representatives to the Partnership for Market Readiness assembly, a conference which Australia helped fund which is about market mechanisms to curb emissions. source Appointed someone to head the investigation into the Manus Island riots who claimed that rape victims in Manus Island detention centres receive better treatment than Australians. source Planned a doubling of the defence force’s annual budget, increasing it by $24 billion, despite the supposed budget emergency and after the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. source source source source source Defied legislation by not appointing the Climate Change Authority to run the investigation into the Renewable Energy Target. source Blamed electricity price rises on the renewable energy target, despite their own modelling predicting that is will reduce electricity prices in the long term, and Energy Australia stating that it has suppressed prices since it was created. source source source Forced Manus Island staffers to lie to detainees. source Placed an ex-officer of the Sri Lanka army in charge of the Manus Island detention centre, which holds people fleeing the Sri Lanka army’s war crimes and genocide. source source Spent $13.3 million on floating hotels for detention centre staff on Manus island. source Admitted the information given about the Manus detention centre riots was drastically wrong. source source Convinced Cambodia (one of the poorest countries in our region) to take in some of the refugees currently in our detention centres. Serious human rights abuse continue to be committed regularly under the Cambodian government and military. source source source source source Purchased 8 new Poseidon aircraft totalling $4 billion despite the “budget emergency”. source source Guarded the body of a dead asylum seeker using guards who were possibly the ones that shot him. Those same guards confiscated a camera from a journalist on site then deleted all his photos. source Blamed the Carbon Tax for job losses at Alcoa’s aluminium smelter, despite Alcoa being 94.5% exempt from the tax, and despite Alcoa explicitly stating that “the carbon tax was not a factor in the decision”. source Accidentally published personal details about almost 10,000 asylum seekers and their claims. Regardless of whether the original asylum claims were genuine, if those asylum seekers are returned to their country of origin, they and their family may be imprisoned, tortured or killed because governments and militias in their country of origin will know they sought asylum. After discovering the blunder, the government took 13 days to remove the information from public view. As part of a press release about the accidental leak the government made public further information about where to find the still life threatening document. source source source source source source Eventually admitted that Navy ships “inadvertently” crossed into Indonesian waters despite using high tech GPS navigation, then they made the exact same mistake again 5 times. The government chose to not even interview any crew members of one such ship when writing a report on the matter. source source source Removed poverty reduction from the goals of the foreign affairs department, which manages foreign aid. source Paid their own indigenous employees substantially less than non-indigenous co-workers despite promising to help “close the gap”. source Deleted negative comments on the Department of Immigration’s Facebook page, but left objectively false comments, such as claims that asylum seeking is illegal. source source Denied responsibility after Manus Island detention centre guards let in a mob of locals, resulting in an asylum seeker being shot and dozens more injured. Injuries included slit throats, machete wounds and eyes hanging from sockets. source source source source source Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole. source source Annoyed the Navy by having the immigration minister tour naval bases like a defence minister would. source Promised to continue with their NBN plan even if a cost-benefit analysis (which is yet to be done) shows it does not give a worthwhile return on investment. source Chose a climate change denier to lead a review of the renewable energy target. source Denied any link between droughts and climate change. source Spent $4.3 million on market research to gauge public opinion on social media and other outlets about government policies. source source Proposed greater government control over the internet, including the power to order ISPs to block specific sites. source source Granted the Environment Minister retrospective legal immunity against court challenges alleging he failed to consider expert environmental advice before approving damaging mining projects. i.e. They are undermining the Rule of Law and legislating to allow the Environment Minister to literally ignore the environment. source Exempted Western Australia from federal laws protecting endangered species to allow a shark cull, despite evidence culls do not reduce the frequency of attacks on humans. source Spread propaganda to potential asylum seekers which deliberately make Australia look like a villainous, incompassionate country. The propaganda completely ignores the violence, torture, rape and persecution that causes people to seek asylum. source Disbanded an asylum seeker health panel of 12 experts from a range of fields, replacing it with one military surgeon. The government has refused to comment on the matter. source Alleged that Edward Snowden endangered lives and claimed that Australia does not need any surveillance reform. source source Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. source Cut 500 jobs from the Australian Tax Office. source Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. source Lied about NSW signing on with their independent schools deal. source Proposed the conversion of one quarter of public schools to independent schools. source Claimed “the age of entitlement is over” whilst continuing to give mining companies billions of dollars of subsidies and tax concessions. source source source source source Lied about the working conditions at SPC factories to justify declining financial assistance. source Arbitrarily denied many asylum seekers the right to a lawyer during the interviews where they make their asylum claim. source Withheld asylum seeker arrival numbers to avoid being a “shipping news service for people smugglers”, despite literally advertising those same numbers on a billboard while in opposition. source source source Dismissed out of hand serious allegations that Navy personnel assaulted asylum seekers, based on the supposed moral perfection of those personnel. A recent investigation proved that some of those personnel had sexually assaulted other crew by inserting objects up their arses. The Defence Force and the Immigration Department didn’t even bother interviewing the asylum seekers who made the claims. source source source Embarrassed Australia on the world stage by oversimplifying the Syrian conflict as “goodies vs baddies”. source Appointed yet another straight, white cisgendered male as Governor General. source Called Edward Snowden a traitor. source Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. source Accepted a claim for asylum not because of the merit of the claim but because Cricket Australia wanted the man in their team. source Violated international convention by criticising Labor on the Global stage. source Stole crucial evidence from an Australian lawyer representing East Timor in an international tribunal against Australia relating to our illegal spying on East Timor’s oil deal. source Shut down the 113 year old Australian Valuation Office, thereby making 200 jobs disappear. source Provoked Indonesia so much that they put their air force on standby at the border. source Crossed into Indonesian waters without authorisation again, then abandoned a boat without enough fuel to get to shore, forcing asylum seekers to swim for an hour to get to shore. source Defeated moves to cease the recital of the (Christian) Lord’s prayer at the start of each sitting day of (secular) federal parliament. source Cut all funding from all international environmental programs. source Closed mainland detention centres and moves detainees offshore, citing budget savings as the motivation, even though offshore processing costing almost twice as much as onshore processing. source source source Authorised the Navy to fire over the bows of asylum seeker boats. source Refused to comment on 4 attempted suicides, hunger strikes and many self harm attempts happening simultaneously in detention centres. source Exempted Navy personnel of workplace safety obligations to treat asylum seekers safely, and gave them legal immunity for criminal acts which are committed by order of the government. source Rewrote the school curriculum to make it more right wing. The previous curriculum was developed over many years with extensive consultation. The new curriculum is being written by two people. One thinks “abos” are “human rubbish tips”, called a sexual assault victim a “worthless slut”, and laments that Australia has too many “mussies” and “chinky-poos”. The other has questioned whether migrants and women are disadvantaged, and suggested homosexuality is “unnatural”. source source source Refused to respond to questions from the United Nations about boat tow-backs. source Likened our humanitarian immigration program to war. source Directed that asylum seeker families shall be given the lowest priority for processing, even those who’ve lived in Australia for years. source Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. source Endangered lives, committed maritime piracy and broke other international laws by turning around a boat whose passengers have the right to seek asylum in Australia. The government refused to comment on the matter. Lives were endangered as a result of this move, because the boat ran out of fuel and became stranded. source source source Tried to deport a gay refugee to Pakistan, where he would be imprisoned for life for his sexuality. In doing so the government would have committed human rights abuse by violating the principle of non-refoulement. The man has never lived in Pakistan. source source Threatened to withhold food from families if children don’t stand still for 6 hours per day queuing for food. The food is sometimes served with hands not utensils. source Forced women to queue for a whole day just to get a tampon or pad, only to queue again when they need a fresh one, because they are a fire hazard. The government refused to comment. source Scrapped the Building Multicultural Communities Program. 400 community organizations will now miss out on the promised funding they have already budgeted for. source Cut all funding to Jewish Holocaust Centre ($7,700). source Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. source Quietly reduced instant asset write-off tax breaks for small businesses despite championing themselves as pro-small-business. source Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. source Scrapped the National Intercountry Adoption Advisory Group then 2 months later created the interdepartmental working group on overseas adoption, a body which serves an identical purpose. source Stopped weekly press conferences on asylum seekers. Declined further comment on the matter. source Approved a 6.2% increase in health insurance premiums. source Deliberately omitted 23 questions asked of the immigration minister in a press conference. They have refused to comment further on why those questions were omitted. source Refused requests for medical treatment from a pregnant women in detention who subsequently had a miscarriage. She probably would have had a normal birth had she received the treatment she asked for. The government declined to comment further. source Broke an election promise to send a boat to monitor whaling by instead promising to only send an aircraft. The government subsequently broke that second promise too, allowing whalers to kill endangered whales without any Australian monitoring. source source Broke an election promise by renaming the NDIS, making it “DisablityCare” and renaming the “launch” a “trial”, thereby casting doubt on whether they will even commit to the scheme fully. source Scrapped the AusAid graduate program, requiring the sacking of the newest batch of graduates. source Axed the position of coordinator-general for remote indigenous services. source Approved the construction of gargantuan coal mines in the Galilee Basin, including one in the habitat of an endangered species. If all projects go ahead the emissions released from that coal annually will amount to 130% of what our entire nation currently emits annually. source source source Appointed Tim Wilson as human rights commissioner. He has personally advocated for the abolition of the human rights commission, and his new 6 figure salary is so large that the commission will have to cut education and anti-bullying programs to fund it. source Scrapped the Biodiversity fund. source Cut funding for the National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples, a body of elected representatives of the indigenous people. source Handed $16 million to Cadbury, but refused to give subsidies to Holden, Qantas and SPC Ardmona. Cadbury is owned by a multinational firm whose profits rose by 64% to $74.9 million last year. Coincidentally the Cadbury factory is located in a marginal electorate. source source source Axed the home energy saver scheme, which successfully helped struggling households cut down high electricity bills. source Dismantled the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, the Low Carbon Communities Program and the Caring for our Country Program. source Cut $43.1 Million in legal aid funding, including Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander legal services, community legal services, the UNSW Indigenous Legal Centre and the Family Violence Prevention Legal Services. source source source Cut funding for the Energy Efficiency Program (which was compulsory for large electricity consumers). source Slashed all funding (over $10 million) from the Environmental Defender’s Offices. source Broke an election promise by cutting $150 million from NSW hospitals. source source Axed a scheme to improve the wages of aged care workers. source Scrapped the Wage Connect Program (a scheme which encouraged employers to hire long-term unemployed people). source Broke an election promise for a 25MBi/s National Broadband Network, and announced that it will cost more than they promised. source Broke an election promise to return to surplus by 2016-2017. source Undermined the rule of law by proposing a “code of conduct” for refugees living in Australia, despite the fact refugees commit fewer crimes per person than the national average. source source source Failed to take any action in response to Snowden’s leaks showing that the Australian Government is helping the USA spy on all Australians. source Repealed poker machine laws designed to address gambling addiction. source Planned the unwinding of the World Heritage protection of Tasmanian forests despite opposition from the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania. source Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. source Threatened queer detainees in PNG by saying they will be reported to local police if they engage in homosexual acts. Homosexuality is illegal in PNG. Such threats mean refugees fleeing persecution because of their sexual orientation are not able to make their asylum claim without fear of arrest. This counts as human rights abuse because it violates the principle of non-refoulement and strips people of their right to safely make a claim for asylum. The government has refused to comment further. source source source Terminated their deal with the Salvation Army to provide humanitarian assistance with those on Manus Island and Nauru. Consequently 300 people lost their job. The government has refused to comment further. source Disbanded IHAG, a group that provides advice about the health of asylum seeker detainees, which helps combat the rising rates of mental illness and self harm. The government has refused to comment further. source Approved the expansions for Abbott Point coal port, which requires dumping 3 million tonnes of dredge spoil onto the Great Barrier Reef, thereby threatening the Queensland’s entire tourism industry and hospitality industry, and the reef’s heritage status. source source Removed the Murray Darling from the list of threatened ecological communities. source Signed a trade agreement with South Korea that allows foreign companies to sue the Australian government if it implements policies which adversely affect their business (e.g. for environmental or anti-sweatshop reasons). source Removed the requirement for the government to consider advice about the protection of endangered species when approving projects. source Detained innocent asylum seekers in conditions so horrible they amount to torture according to Amnesty International. 500ml of water per person per day, in a shadeless tropical island, with mental illness rates of over 30% and no soap despite rampant gastro. source Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). source Incorrectly defined metadata as billing data only, when it actually includes email subject headings, location data, financial transaction details and more. source source source Called for privatisation of electricity networks, despite evidence showing it does not lower power bills. source source Cut $3 billion in welfare for students, the elderly and families. source source Scrapped the Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, despite the fact our population is aging. source Secretly changed voting position at the UN regarding the Israel and Palestine issue without telling anyone. source Abandoned Gonski agreements with states and committed to 3 fewer years of Gonski than their pre-election promise. source Broke an election promise by scrapping the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council of Australia. The government spent $1 million on administrative costs to do so, even though the council only received $1.6 million in funding per year. source Cut $4.5 billion in foreign aid. source source Tried to scrap the $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corp, even though it provides $110 million per year in net revenue to the government. source Disbanded AusAid (the foreign aid body), merging the remainder into the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. source Ceased reporting births and clinical depression in detention centers. Downgraded self harm. source Forcefully and unapologetically separated a mother and her newborn child. source Cut $300 million from child care staff subsidies. source Introduced a bill which allows for unpaid union officials in elected roles to be jailed for up to 5 years and fined up to $340,000. source Cut $2.3 billion from higher education, and removed start-up scholarships (thereby significantly increasing the debt of the poorest students) and removed the 10% HECS discount for paying up-front. source Increased superannuation tax for the poor, and decreased it for the rich. source Tried to scrap the school kids tax concession (thereby increasing the cost of living for families by $16,000 per school child over their education). source Withdraw all Commonwealth funding for Commonwealth supported places at University. source Scrapped the Australian Animals Welfare Advisory Committee, Commonwealth Firearms Advisory Council, International Legal Services Advisory Council, National Steering Committee on Corporate Wrongdoing, Antarctic Animal Ethics Committee, Advisory Panel on the Marketing in Australia of Infant Formula, High Speed Rail Advisory Group, Maritime Workforce Development Forum, Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, Insurance Reform Advisory Group and National Housing Supply Council (all in one day). source Provided $2.2 million for miners and farmers to fight against native title claims. source Cut $435 million from the Renewable Energy Agency. source Unwound same sex marriage laws in ACT. source source Scrapped the Social Inclusion Board (an anti-poverty advisory group). source Used Wikipedia as a source to support a claim which was actually contradicted by Wikipedia. source source Declared bushfires unrelated to climate change. source source Mandated that all public servants should incorrectly refer to boat arrivals as “illegal”. source source source Sent no one important to the international climate summit. The people who did go went in tee-shirts, giggled and were so insensitive and disrespectful that there was a walkout by other countries. source Proposed privatising HECS. source Tried to raise the debt ceiling by $200 billion. source Moved to protect companies from boycotts against them (e.g. for using slave labour or destroying the environment) thereby undermining the foundation of capitalism by reducing consumer power. source source Kept Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations secret, even though it threatens the very foundations of our democracy. The leaked agreement would allow international companies to sue governments if their profits are diminished by environmental, indigenous land rights or anti-child-sweatshop laws. The TPP would give corporations many of the same rights that individuals have. There is no expiration date or separation clause, so once signed, it’s here forever. source source source Broke an election promise by trying to scrap the 2020 emissions target. source source Scrapped the Climate coalition. source Cut 600 CSIRO staff. source Donated $2 million worth of patrol boats to help Sri Lanka stop people fleeing proven genocide, human rights abuse, war crimes and extra judicial killings. source source source source Excused torture in Sri Lanka. source Chose not to appoint a minister for science, for the first time in half a century. source Appointed a man as minister for women who said “I don’t support womens’ causes”. source source Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Only one of these was false?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:26:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700272
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source

(snip)

Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source
Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

Scroll back, the discussion is in this very thread.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:28:13
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700273
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kingy said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source Lied by claiming they had implemented the majority of recommendations from the Banking Royal Commission, when they had only completed a minority. source Removed the names of many Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from the register of stranded Australians. source Deleted warnings of dangerous right-wing extremism in a senate motion about extremism, despite advice from ASIO that it is a serious and growing threat. source Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party. source Offered foreign gas companies $50 million to extract gas from the Northern Territory. source Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary. source Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel. source Wound back consumer protections introduced as a result of the banking royal commission. source Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases. source Voted against hanging the aboriginal flag in parliament during NAIDOC week. source source Loosened enterprise bargaining laws to allows employers to introduce new agreements which are not “better off overall” for employees, in ordinary circumstances not just exceptional ones. source source Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation. source Spent money chartering a RAAF flight from Sydney to Canberra, even though Qantas services that route frequently at a seventeenth of the price. source Voted against an inquiry into the privatisation and corporatisation of essential public services. source source Invented new non-standard metrics to measure NBN performance, which make Australia appear to rank higher than otherwise. source Refused to publish a $2.5 million evaluation of the cashless welfare card system because the evaluation found that the $80 million program was not clearly effective. source Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland. source source Merged the Family Court with the Federal Circuit Court. source source source Introduced a scheme to pay community broadcasters to give up spectrum rights, and possibly force the SBS and ABC to give up their spectrum rights, without any plan for alternate uses for those frequencies. source source Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport). source Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000. source Spent $256 million just to add facial recognition as a login option for government services. source source Cut funding for Homelessness Australia by $41 million, during a recession. source source Introduced instant asset write off tax breaks for businesses during COVID, which will cost over $30 billion, to boost the economy by only $10 billion. source Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals. source Introduced a new benchmark system for superannuation funds, to penalise funds that perform relatively poorly in the short term. This means that if some funds make high risk, high return investments, everyone else is incentivised to follow, like lemmings running off a cliff. source Added new rules to force superannuation funds to maximise returns regardless of anything else, which is a step towards disallowing super funds from having ethical and environmental screening, such as not investing in weapons manufacturing, or companies with slavery in their supply lines etc. It’s unclear how any fund can comply with this requirement without choosing maximum-risk investments. source Lied by claiming that a maritime union strike at a port was delaying medical supplies, when the strikers were still processing medical and perishable supplies. source source Increased administrative payments to job finding agencies, totalling $300 million during the pandemic. source Abandoned the prominent goal of a government surplus after repeatedly failing to deliver one 6 years in a row, eventually printing several hundred billion dollars during the pandemic (through bond sales), converting to policy that aligns more with Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). source source source Introduced the Underwriting New Generation Investment Program, which is specifically designed to deliver new electricity generators whose business cases don’t add up (even when ignoring negative externalities), by pushing the risk onto taxpayers whilst keeping the profit privatised (i.e. corporate socialism). source source Tried to spend $3.3 million on a feasibility study grant for subsidising a new coal generator. The company who would build it have no relevant experience. The grant criteria was written after the government decided that they would give the money to this company. Previous feasibility studies have shown that the project is too risky and unprofitable for the private sector. It’s also not eligible for the government’s own Underwriting New Generation Investment program. The government claimed this new generator will reduce power prices for regional Queenslanders specifically, but there is only one wholesale electricity price for all of Queensland, and it’s already 50% cheaper than the cost of new coal generation. source source Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%. source source source source source source Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data. source source Introduced a bill to allow the government to cancel any international agreements between universities, councils, sports institutions and other countries. source source Wound back consumer protections and responsible lending obligations for mortgage brokers which were introduced in the aftermath of the global financial crisis. source source Cut $2 billion in funding for university research, including funding for medical research during the pandemic. source Prevented Australian universities from receiving JobKeeper payments, whilst paying JobSeeker money to a foreign university. (University education is Australia’s third largest export.) source source Loosened corporate financial disclosure rules during the pandemic, preventing investors from lodging class actions against companies who mislead the market through omission of important information. source Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. source source Paid 10 times higher than market rate to buy some land new the new Western Sydney Airport several decades earlier than necessary, after getting a valuation done only by a valuer suggested by the seller. source source Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances. source Defined the eligibility criteria for the JobKeeper scheme so loosely that millions of dollars from the government which were supposed to subsidise employees’ jobs were funneled straight out as dividends and bonuses to company shareholders and executives. source source Loosened political donation laws. source source Chose to ignore and not fix a security vulnerability in myGovID, which arose because the chosen authentication protocol is bespoke and does not match standard practice. source Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister. source source Tried to use money allocated for renewable power on new fossil fuel generators. source Tried to redefine what “investment” means in legislation, to allow the government to hand cash to fossil fuel companies, even when they are unprofitable and uneconomic, which demonstrates a strong ideological bias towards certain fuel types, with reckless disregard for economics. source Created red tape which will make it harder for individuals to take class actions against companies which have broken the law. This goes directly against the Coalition’s stated values, which include slashing red tape, and relying on free market solutions (such as class actions) to minimise bad corporate behavior (as opposed to direct legislation). source Spent $2 million on legal fees trying to prosecute a whistleblower who leaked truthful information about serious corruption and crime, which was clearly in the public’s interest. source Voted against a binding code of conduct to ensure politicians act with integrity. source Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy, recommended by an independent body, after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition. source Proposed cutting HECS support for TAFE and university students who fail too many courses, which will give institutions a strong financial incentive to pass students who don’t deserve their qualification, whilst also disproportionately disincentivising disadvantaged students from enrolling, such as students from families with no history of tertiary qualifications. source source Opposed a United Nations inquiry into racism and police brutality in the USA. This is in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, when American law enforcement officials wearing no insignia were kidnapping random protestors from the street without due process, and American cops were assaulting journalists, and breaking into multiple innocent people’s homes to shoot them in their sleep. The Coalition government doesn’t want the United Nations to make a big deal out of these systemic incidents. source source source source More than doubled the cost of some university degrees, decreasing the government’s contribution to exactly $0. source source Wasted $10 million on developing a new “made in Australia” logo to replace the well-known kangaroo in a green triangle, only to discard the new, generic looking logo because it looks like the COVID-19 virus. source Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior. source Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission. source Prevented the Senate from discussing whether to implement the remaining recommendations from the 1991 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody. source Failed to stop the only boat that has posed a real and substantial risk to Australia’s national security. The government chose to grant an exemption to the Ruby Princess cruise ship, resulting in a hundreds of new COVID cases around the country. source Hurt barley farmers by antagonising the Chinese government, who retaliated by slapping an 80% tariff on barley exports. source Suspended requirements that commercial television stations produce at least some content in Australia to create Australian jobs. source Announced $50 million in funding to help the Australian film industry cope during the pandemic, but failed to publish any instructions on how eligible, impacted workers or companies can access these funds. source Increased military spending by $270 billion over 10 years, when the economy and our society were struggling to cope with the pandemic and the worst recession since The Great Depression. source Wasted $20.8 billion by investing $29.5 billion in the NBN so poorly that the end result is valued by the Parliamentary Budget Office at only $8.7 billion. source source Drafted the Religious Discrimination Bill which would allow employers and vendors to make statements of belief, such as a baker telling a same sex couple requesting a wedding cake that they believe the couple will burn in hell, or telling a job interviewee that their religious belief is like a mental disorder. source source source Introduced a new online service for helping allocated assets during a divorce, which uses a proprietary, immature, inscrutable black-box technology just because it’s a popular buzz word these days. source source Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies. 690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden. source source source Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first. source Broke an election promise about providing a trading system to help dairy farmers be more fairly compensated for milk production. source Falsely attributed COVID infection rate success to the buggy, insecure, privacy-invading COVIDSafe app, even though the only cases detected by the app had already been detected by more traditional contact tracing methods, which are faster and more effective. source source Took 21 days to fix a known security vulnerability in the COVIDSafe app. source Reduced the competitiveness of Australia’s technology industry by passing laws which allow the government to force back doors into Australian software products, which makes foreign customers less likely to buy them. The same drop in sales that decimated Huawei is now hurting Australian companies. source Released the COVIDSafe app with a known bug that makes it useless on iPhones when the phone is locked. source source source Ignored security best practices when deploying the COVIDSafe app, choosing not to run a bug bounty, and choosing not to publish the source code promptly, despite promises to do so, which lead to multiple vulnerabilities being discovered by researchers far later than they should have been. source source source Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt. source source Lied when claiming that the USA government cannot view sensitive COVIDSafe data, even though the American encryption back-door laws that allow the US government to force Amazon to hand over the data are the exact same laws which were the inspiration for Australia’s recent encryption back-door legislation. source Cancelled The Rule of Law by preventing journalists from reporting on a case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated. source source Wasted $96 million on administration costs for a single tender, to decide who to sell our own immigration visa system to, only to cancel the plan because privatising an essential service which can only ever be a monopoly is obviously a bad idea. source Introduced a new tax, to incentivise non-NBN users to migrate to the expensive NBN. source Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation. source Proposed issuing fines of up to $50,000 to innocent people not suspected of a crime if they don’t hand over passwords for their personal devices to law enforcement. When law enforcement unlock a device after demanding a password, they typically don’t let the user see what was done, don’t tell them what was done, and don’t allow them to call a lawyer to find out their rights. In one case a Border Force officer looked through a series of nude photographs of someone’s partner, without the consent of the user or person in the photo, made inappropriate comments, and possibly made nonconsentual copies of the photos. If a citizen not suspected of a crime withholds a password to prevent this, they’ll be fined. source source Introduced new laws which allow ASIO officers to spy on Australian citizens without getting approval from a judge or anyone independent, and without filing paperwork anywhere. source Introduced new laws which prevent someone suspected of a crime from choosing their own lawyer. source Lied by claiming that only a small range of law enforcement agencies will be able to access data under the metadata retention laws, but actually allowed Centrelink, local councils, education councils and the RSPCA to access it. source Repeatedly approved requests by BHP to increase their greenhouse emissions limits. source Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people. source Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose primary industry is neither website building nor education. source Ceased payments to the United Nations climate change fund. source Rejected a request for increasing aerial firefighting funding in the months prior to one of the most lethal bushfire seasons in history. The government claimed “other priorities” in the Department of Home Affairs were more important. The department’s other expenditure includes paying people to snoop through nudes in the phones of Australians not suspected of a crime, and spending $30 million to house one family for a few months. The fires killed 34 people and destroyed almost 10,000 homes. source source source Blamed an unusually bad bushfire season on unprecedented arson, when the evidence suggests most fires were started by lightening. source source Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. source Committed crimes against humanity according to the International Criminal Court at the Hague. source Failed to declare a property worth $1 million in a minister’s declaration of interests. source Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1 million in another minister’s declaration of interests. source Lied about data retention laws, claiming only metadata would be captured (e.g. domain name), when actually full URLs are captured, which includes detail such as the specific queries you give to Google, and specific videos you watch on PornHub. source Lied during an election ad, claiming 6 councils would be eligible for $1 million drought relief grants, when they weren’t. source Asked gay asylum seekers whether they could simply stay in the closet in their home country to avoid persecution, in a legally unsound attempt to find grounds for asylum rejection. source Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club. source Lied by claiming that cops who abuse data retention powers will be punished, when hundreds of instances of abuse have gone unpunished. source Claimed that their data retention laws would be used mostly for terrorism and child abuse cases, when it actually is used mostly for drug offenses. source Proposed expanding the scope of data retention laws to include MAC addresses. Since MAC addresses are hard coded into each device’s hardware, this would enable continuous location tracking of everyone’s mobile phone. source Lied by claiming that tax cuts would be paid sooner than the passing of the relevant legislation. source Ceased assessing and listing key threats to native species. source Closed down a bushfire research centre, weeks after Australia’s worst ever bushfire season, which killed 34 people and destroyed over 9000 homes. source Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices. source source source source source Mislead the public by claiming they achieved a surplus, when they were referring to a prediction of a surplus in the future based on overly optimistic assumptions and ignoring reasonably predictable risks such as bushfire and drought. source Tried to count oil owned by Australia stored in the US towards the 90 day emergency stockpile we’re required to hold. source source Lied by claiming the MyGov website was taken down by a DDOS attack, admitting only hours later that it was due to the more obvious reason, which was a sudden, drastic and entirely predictable increase in legitimate load. source source Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality. source Paid a reality TV star $260k per year to be a “career ambassador”. This is to promote vocational training as a career choice for young Australians, after they repeatedly cut TAFE and apprenticeship funding. source Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it. source source source Removed the Department for arts, rolling those functions into the department that handles telcos and roads. source Cut all foreign aid to Pakistan, and cut aid to Nepal by 42%. source Refused to provide any information when questioned in parliament about an Australian who was secretly imprisoned in Australia, for a secret crime, after a secret trial, an even the prisoner’s name is a secret. Lied by saying the prisoner consented to the secrecy. source source Voted down legislation to increase the Newstart allowance. source Introduced a limit on cash transactions of $10,000, in a move towards a cashless society, so that it then becomes possible to have negative interest rates and have consumers pay banks to store their savings. source Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors. source Removes all mentions of “consent” from new legislation about sharing of personal data in the public sector. source Proposed reversing the onus of proof, so that citizens may be considered guilty until proven innocent, for tax fraud and money laundering crimes. source Lied about their new anti-union legislation, claiming unions can’t be deregistered as punishment for any single wrongdoing, when the legislation does permit that. source Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent. source Granted ministers to power to use the military to quell domestic protests and industrial action, including shoot-to-kill powers when infrastructure is at risk (such as an environmental protest threatening a coal generator). source Spent $30 million detaining a single asylum seeker family for a few months. source Lied about the nation’s oil reserve, claiming it is 90 days when it their own figures say 58 days. source Voted down a parliamentary declaration that we’re facing a climate emergency. source Lied by claiming their religious discrimination bill was not intended to override states’ anti-discrimination laws. The actual documents tabled in parliament explicitly says it is. source source source Appointed someone in their sixties as Minister for Youth. source source Paid $9 million for a contractor to do literally nothing, because the government abruptly cancelled the contract and instead gave it to a less experienced and less qualified company. source Forecast an increase in wage growth despite simultaneously forecasting no decrease in unemployment. (So employers would pay more for no economically rational reason.) Each year they consistently forecast optimistic wage growth which consistently fails to actually happen. source Simultaneously proposed plans to support electric vehicles and ridiculed plans to support electric vehicles, within the same week. source Lied about the budget being “in the black”. source Lied by claiming to have introduced and passed non-existent legislation to prevent the mass extinction of threatened species. source Approved construction of a mine even though the company said they cannot promise that they won’t make the local rare species extinct, and that they cannot be bothered checking to see whether any member of those species does eventually survive the mine’s operation. source Admitted their promise to spend $2 billion building a fast train link between Geelong and Melbourne will actually cost $4 billion, and they don’t have the other $2 billion. source Introduced a law which allows the government to revoke the citizenship of whistleblowers, minor vandals and people who provide humanitarian assistance in conflict zones. source source Lied about Australia’s emissions, claiming they had decreased when they had actually increased to an record high. source Promised the creation of 1.25 million jobs without doing any calculation or modelling to arrive at that number. source Blocked the construction of Australia’s first offshore wind farm, which would create 12,000 jobs and meet 20% of Victoria’s electricity demand. source Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations. source Voted against a United Nations motion for increased sexual education about women’s health, opposition to female genital mutilation, and access to safe abortion. source Cut funding for financial support for asylum seekers by $87 million. source Housed refugees close to large volumes of potentially deadly asbestos. source Spent $1 million from their Emissions Reduction Fund on a fossil fuel generator which would have been built anyway. source Spent $21.5 million over 10 months with an unsigned contract on a health contractor known to have a fatal lack of “necessary clinical skills”. source Charged taxpayers $1700 for the Roads Minister and his spouse to attend a fancy dinner party for the agriculture industry. source Spent $200,000 on chartered flights for ministers to travel between parliament and their electorate. source Spent $400 million on a problem plagued automated system which recovered only $500 million of unpaid debt, through an illegal “guilty until proven innocent” approach. source source Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. source Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack. source source Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling. source source Broke an election promise to establish a register of shell company ownership, to fight corporate tax dodging. source Shared personal information about petition signatories with a private company, without those people’s consent, so that the company can send those people spam. source Prevented a vote for a royal commission into abuse in the disability sector, with a filibuster. Question time was extended to the longest session ever. source source Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it. source source Gave lawyers only 36 hours to respond to a proposal for legislation for a sex offender register. We do not have a murderer or burglar register. Under existing laws, consenting 16 year-olds sending nudes to each other are technically sex offenders, who may be named and shamed on the proposed register. source Exempted the Adani coal mine from a normal water impact assessment because they believe 12.5 billion litres is not “significant”, and because the water pipeline built solely to support the mining project is a non-mining project on paper. source Cut $1.2 billion from aged care, and then denied doing so. source Cut TAFE funding again, this time by $270 million. source Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost. source Lied about the Assistance and Access bill not forcing software developers to make their code less secure. The first item in the bill’s list of “acts or things” is “removing one or more forms of electronic protection”. source source source Spent $37,000 for flights for one minister for one day, to attend meetings which could have probably been made via a video call. source Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month. source Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster. source Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG. source Rejected recommendations from the Productivity Commission that the government add a “fair use” exemption to copyright law, and to change the law to explicitly protect Australians who circumvent geoblocking barriers to access paid content. source Spent $400,000 to help train the Myanmar military, who were known to be guilty of ongoing genocide against the Rohingya people, and were later responsible for a literal coup to overthrow their government. source source Punished an asylum seeker for reporting sexual assault committed by a government contractor, and lied about forwarding the complaint to the police. source Spent $320,000 on legal fights denying asylum seekers urgent medical transfers to the mainland to treat life-threatening conditions. source Secretly blocked funding for $4 million in humanities research projects, which were already approved by the government’s research approval body (ARC). source Introduced a new reason for rejecting government funding of research proposals. Research which doesn’t advance the national interest will be rejected. Historically important yet socially controversial research like evolution and the sun-centric solar system would have been rejected under this model. source Spent $16,880 on personal stationary for just one minister for one year. source Spent $20k making custom phone apps for a single senator. A website would have sufficed. source Ignored advice from 3 government bodies, choosing to instead allow a private company to build environmentally damaging infrastructure in a World Heritage Area, in violation of zoning rules. source Handcuffed an innocent child whilst preventing her from receiving urgently needed medical treatment. source Gave corporate welfare to fund coal generators, through a grant which they claim is “technology neutral”, despite it specifying a narrow range of technologies. source Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record. source Rolled out the My Health Record to the whole country as an opt-out system, despite safety concerns about how abusive stalkers can use it, and despite the trial involving 9 security breaches. 42 more security breaches happened within weeks of the system being rolled out nationally. source source Cut funding for the Foodbank charity for a third time. This time $323,000 was cut just before Christmas. source Spent half a billion dollars on an upgrade for a war memorial. source Gave money from a fund for Indigenous advancement to a fishing corporation to help it fight Indigenous land claims. source source Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister. source Cancelled the citizenship of someone who’s citizenship application was approved 18 years ago, who has lived in Australia for 41 years. source Proposed the underwriting of coal power plant construction. Risks too high for the private sector will be thrust upon taxpayers, whilst the profit will remain privatised source source Doubled the amount spent on external consultants, after cutting public sector staff. source Cut one third of jobs from the Department of Environment. source Charged taxpayers for VIP plane flights to fly the Prime Minister between destinations on his “bus tour”. source source Spent $9000 buying hundreds of hard copies of a book which is available online for free. source Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian. source source Charged taxpayers $2000 per month for one minister’s home Internet connection. source source Reduced the income threshold at which graduates start paying back HECS debt, down to $45,000. source Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case. source source source Proposed plans to privatise the visa application system. Referring to this core function of a sovereign government as a “business” which should be “commercial” and “profitable”. source Removed emissions reduction targets from the National Energy Guarantee. source Outsourced top-level security clearance vetting to private contractors who transport sensitive documents via private courier, occasionally to the wrong address. source Refused a visa application on character grounds for a whistleblower who disclosed war crimes. source Refused a temporary visa application for a 10 year old boy to visit his father because the boy did not have a full time job. source Drafted laws granting ‘shoot to kill’ powers to military soldiers during riots. source source Sent $440 million of Reef research funds to an obscure private organisation, instead of one of the many relevant public agencies, and without any application process. source source source Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. source Assigned $48.7 million to a Captain Cook memorial. There are already 35 Captain Cook memorials in Australia. The money was taken from the ABC budget. source source source source Cut $84 million from the ABC (again). source Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published. source source source Threw $700k at blockchains. source Spent $3.6 billion to keep an old, dirty coal power station running for a few more years, when the alternative renewable generation plan would be $1.4 billion cheaper. source Increased the difficulty of the citizenship English test, so that applicants who are able to speak “basic” English will be rejected. source Deliberately destroyed water supplies at a Manus Island detention centre, to force refugees out of the camp and into unfinished alternative sites. source Chose not to take back money given to an exploitative coffee chain who violated the terms of the payment which was part of the PaTH program. source Spent $300k on 60 seconds of advertising to spruik new energy policies designed to reduce power bills. That amount of money could have been spent to pay the annual energy bills of 5000 typical houses. source Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10. source source Cut university funding again, this time by $2.1M. source Banned the Eureka flag and all union symbols and slogans from personal equipment on federal construction sites, no matter how small or subtle they are. source Spent $2.2 million on giant fans to protect the Great Barrier Reef from global warming. source Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator. source Accidentally exposed the personal health records of millions of Australians, including whether they have had abortions or are on HIV medication. source Introduced a bill to permit businesses to discriminate based on customers’ sexual activity or gender. source Proposed selling biometric data of citizens to private corporations. source Proposed a law to introduce 2 year jail sentences for anyone who uses the Australian Coat of Arms without authorisation, including satirical websites who do not intend to deceive, and including when no harm comes from the unauthorised use. source Tried to reduce the number of tertiary courses eligible for Austudy report. source Proposed a law which would further destroy citizen’s right to freedom from arbitrary detention, by giving police the power to imprison people for 14 days without arrest. source Introduced a national facial recognition surveillance program, which will collate faces from CCTV cameras and other sources and share them with private companies, and claimed such a program “doesn’t involve surveillance” and will increase citizen’s privacy. source source Told tender applicants for a $90B ship-building project that they don’t need to spend any of that construction money in Australia. source Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. source Introduced new procurement rules which will cost telcos $184k per year in paperwork and compliance. source Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group. source Spent $7000 in one month for wine for one minister, and fought against a Freedom of Information request into the spend. source Kicked 100 asylum seekers into the street, taking their income away with no notice, after preventing them from working. source Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation. source source Kept secret government data showing higher than expected emissions increases. source Illegally detained Australian citizens on Christmas Island because they failed character test. source Cut all funding for the 40 year old Haymarket health clinic for the homeless, resulting in its closure. source Lied about when they found out about the sale of Medicare data on the black market. source Claimed to have not suffered a cybersecurity breach after the systems storing sensitive Medicare information had their security breached, and that sensitive information was put up for sale on the black market. source Added politically weighted questions about coal to the citizenship test. source Paid companies to hire young people for entry level jobs at far less than the minimum wage. There is evidence that companies replace real jobs with these underpaid ones. One such company killed a person by not avoiding obvious and easily foreseeable risks. They were fined only $70k. source source source Chose not to appoint any climate scientists to the Climate Change Authority. source Tried to allow the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in coal. source source Blocked the construction of a wind farm because of the ‘visual impact’, even though 92% of locals wanted it. source Failed to comply with the mandatory ‘Top 4’ cyber security strategies, in multiple departments. source Loosened protections for indigenous land owner rights. source Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. source Lent $100M to a foreign company which does not operate in Australia, for construction of a coal mine which won’t employ any Australians or contribute to the Australian economy at all. This mine so bad for the environment that if it goes ahead, the world will not stay under 2 degrees of global warming. source Spent $12M per year on flights for NBN staff. source Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students. source source Introduced a new tax, of at least $7.10 per month per NBN fixed line user. source Cut the foreign aid budget again, this time by $300 million. source Voted against changes which would reduce the wait times for medicinal cannabis from months down to hours. It currently takes up to 19 months to get approval for 3 months worth of medication. source source Started drug testing welfare recipients without consulting legal, medical or drug experts. They simultaneously claim people will be selected randomly and also based on data driven profiling tools (i.e. not random). source source source Introduced a policy very similar to the First Home Buyer’s Account policy they scrapped a few years earlier, with the main difference being that it involves using Superannuation for something other than retirement savings. source Spent around $10k per person per year for a cashless welfare card trial, for welfare payments worth $14k per person per year. Almost half of the participants claimed the trial made their lives worse. source source Broke a promise to put in safeguards to prevent their data retention scheme from being abused. (Police illegally accessed the data within 2 weeks of retention commencing.) source source Cut university funding again, this time by 2.5%. source Approved the sale of weapons to a country accused of committing war crimes and killing 10,000 innocent civilians. source source Rejected advice from a taskforce it set up, which provided recommendations to reduce foreign visa abuse, and then claimed the 457 visa is too prone to abuse. source Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register. source Claimed many ‘community leaders’ support the cashless welfare card, but refused to list such supporters when asked. source Claimed that using more wind power and less coal power will increase emissions. source Prohibited the Aboriginal Legal Service from giving evidence at a legal enquiry into the loosening of racial hate-speech laws. source Re-established the construction industry watchdog, which spent $100,000 investigating two mates for having a cup of tea on site. source Spent over $3,000 to send the minister for Immigration to a monarchist fundraiser. source Forced public servants to move from Canberra to Armidale, prior to establishing new office facilities. They now do their work in the local Macca’s. source Introduced NBN ‘Fibre to the curb’, which is almost identical to the ‘Fibre to the premise’ approach they criticised. source Introduced a bill which would allow the government to publicly release veteran’s personal information (such as medical records) without their consent. source Refused to release a report into the death of a person on the government’s Work for the Dole program. source Skipped the normal assessment process for large infrastructure projects when deciding to proceed with the WestConnex project. source Paid the first $500 million for the WestConnex project well before the funding was needed. source Voted against a motion to extend the privacy act to cover political parties. source Changed Newstart eligibility so that 22 to 24 year-olds get Youth Allowance instead, which is $90 less per fortnight. source Excluded offshore detention centres when ratifying the Optional Protocol to the Convention Against Torture. source Appointed a mining lobbyist as the PM’s climate change advisor. source Increased the number of IT contractors for the government, even though they cost $80,000 more per person per year than having actual IT staff. source Cut $180,000 from children’s dental care funding, and almost $300 million for adult dental care. source Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife. source Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo. source Fined welfare recipients for not attending ‘hygiene’ and tie-dying classes. source Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA. source Changed public servant super laws to reduce the retirement payout of long-term teachers, police and nurses by tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. source Conducted an inquiry into housing affordability which gave no recommendations on how to help fix housing affordability. source Spent $26 million and laid off 93 scientists to move the location of the agricultural chemicals and veterinary medicines regulator. source Made an ‘action plan’ to deal with record level bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, which lacked any new actions or funding. source Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament. source Indefinitely detained someone based on information obtained through torture. source Axed 900 jobs in the national flight control agency, despite concerns that losing so many staff will compromise safety. source Spent $83,000 on a baggage lift at The Lodge. source Flew 23 staff to the Australian embassy in Paris to discuss saving money. The government does not know how much the flights and accommodation cost. Others estimate it was $200,000. source Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt. source Increased the cost of a Visa for bands touring to Australia by 600%. source Gave $4 billion in tax cuts to the richest fifth of the population. source Put the 000 call service out to tender, despite their own review saying not to. source Cut $68 million from the Bureau of Statistics’ funding. source Introduced a second internet filter. Internet consumers will be forced pay their telcos to block websites which foreign film companies dislike. The Liberals have accepted millions of dollars of donations from those foreign companies. source source Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate. source Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration. source source Wasted over $98,000 by buying and then cancelling flights. source Proposed charging 9% interest on all debts owed to CenterLink. source Cut $50 million from dental healthcare funding. source Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase. source Chose not to add HIV prevention medication PrEP to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, which would have brought down the cost of the proven medication from $1000 per month to $30 per month. source Handed out $9 million to a foreign coal mining company. source Spent over $200,000 sending Border Force staff to a luxury hotel which specialises in corporate team building through circus lessons and Segway tours. source Proposed a law which will allow Australians to be sentenced to life in prison, without being charged for a crime. source Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants. source Spent over $100 million per year on military operations in Afghanistan, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Removed subsidies for blood sugar test strips. Now 600,000 diabetics will be forced to pay $60 per box instead of $1.20. source Decided that foreign born, adopted Australians can no longer use their Australian birth certificate as proof of Australian citizenship. source Had UNESCO censor a report on climate change to remove all mentions of Australia and the Great Barrier Reef. Large sections of the reef have already been bleached because of climate change. source Sacked 74 scientists in Antartica. source Locked up a dying New Zealander who wants to go to New Zealand. The man has had 20 heart attacks, and is close to death. He has finished serving a jail sentence, yet remains imprisoned. source Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question. source Accidentally leaked the contact information of thousands of women in a confidential database. source Changed the operation of Australia’s rape and domestic violence hotline so that counsellors no longer need three years of experience and a tertiary qualification in psychology or social work, and so that victims must now disclose their abuse story to twice as many people before getting help. source Cut all funding for Australia’s only eating disorder helpline. source Claimed that refugees simultaneously are taking our jobs whilst also taking our welfare. source Cut $20 million from the National Library, resulting in 28 job losses and the halting of all document digitisation. source Provided no workers compensation for Australian staff injured in offshore detention centres. source Refused to publicly release a video of illegal whaling. source Claimed that Australia’s largest coal mine (which will export more coal than our entire nation consumes) will not contribute to climate change. source Proposed a government funded internship scheme where companies are paid lots of money to hire short term interns for $4 per hour with no award protections. source source Gave permission to a shipping company operating only in Australian waters to sack their Australian crew and hire foreigners for $2 an hour. source Proposed blocking students from going to university if their ATAR is too low, even if the course has spare spaces and is happy with their ATAR. source Proposed forcing students to pay back HECS earlier if they have parents or a long term partner with an income over a threshold. source Waited 22 hours before air-lifting a critically ill refugee to an adequately equipped hospital. He died the next day. source Rejected an offer from New Zealand to take 150 asylum seekers who are currently being illegally held in Australian detention centres. source Spent $300,000 on a single lunch, for business mates. source Cut $650 million in bulk billing incentives for pathology. source Spent $39 billion on new submarines, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Proposed new powers for job agencies so that they can fine unemployed people, without any oversight, and with minimal avenues for recourse. source source Offered an indigenous organisation half the pay rise offered to most other public sector organisations. The pay rise is below inflation, so amounts to a pay cut. source Proposed the abolition of the independent organisation that sets the minimum wage for truck drivers. source Cut all funding to Australia’s only youth-led sexual health organisation. source Ran out of money to pay Army Reserves. source Proposed using government funds allocated for climate change action to build a 1.2GW coal plant. source Lied about releasing all children from immigration detention. source Spent $3.3 million on another study into ‘wind turbine syndrome’, even though their own senate inquiries have shown there’s no such thing. The committee had all articles rejected by scientific papers, and provided no advice to the government in its first 2 years. source source Prohibited people who owe money to CenterLink from leaving the country, regardless of how small the debt is or how soon they will return. source Spent $45,000 replacing lost and stolen devices for just one department. source Reneged on their promise to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria, instead accepting 26. source Spent $55 million to resettle just two refugees in Cambodia. source Cut domestic violence leave for public servants. source Scrapped the “Safe Schools” anti-bullying program, on the National Day of Action Against Bullying. source Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday. source Claimed that scrapping negative gearing would simultaneously increase and decrease house prices. source Spent $15.4 million on research into globally damaging an increasingly unprofitable fossil fuels. source Requested in inquiry into an anti-bullying program which focused on fostering tolerance for queer youth. source source Spent $1.3 million on CCTV surveillance for an impoverished indigenous community who are desperately in need of more funding for education, health, housing and welfare. source Cut funding for research missions by a world class marine science ship, instead renting out the ship to foreign fossil fuel companies looking for oil and gas in Australian waters. source Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported. source Proposed new broad powers for the Attorney-General so that the government can demand that telcos do unspecified “things”, which could include filtering the internet, tracking everyone’s browsing history and more. source Attempted to exempt telcos and law enforcement agencies from laws requiring users to be notified if their personal information has been breached. source Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty. source Cut the pension for 35,000 public service retirees. source Spent $1.3 million on medals for Border Force staff, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Increased the cost of pap smears. source Told myGov users to downgrade the security on their account when travelling overseas, which is when security risks are highest. source Refused to allow the family of a terminally ill man to temporarily enter Australia to see their son one last time before he died. source Paid Telstra $80 million to fix the copper network which Telstra sold to the government. source Proposed an exemption so that internet providers and some other companies are not required to inform customers when their data is stolen by malicious third parties. source Spent almost $6000 to fly a minister’s family to a coastal holiday. source Violated international law by illegally conducting war in Syria. source source Refused to give citizenship to eligible permanent residents, years after their refugee claims were accepted. source Spent $1770 on 3 bean bags. source Paid $1.5 billion for the East West Link far earlier than necessary, so that it would fall into Labor’s financial year, to make them look worse. source Started regularly strip searching innocent females on Nauru, with only male staff present. source Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned zoo visits for children in detention, deeming them “inappropriate”, and ruling that they must remain imprisoned instead. source Made refugees work with deadly friable asbestos without any training and almost no equipment. source Appointed a Windfarm Commissioner, who is paid $205,000 per year for the part-time job, who received only 2 valid complaints in its first year. source source source Refused to investigate, prosecute or do anything to a foreign company who built a large port and cut down large areas of forest home to endangered species, without environmental approval. source Introduced cashless welfare cards to reduce the autonomy and control that support recipients have over their spending. source Removed the requirements that crews on ships operating for months between Australian ports get paid Australian-level wages. source Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay. source Spent $1.3 billion on replacements for Defence Force Land Rovers, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Funded ethnic cleansing and war crimes in PNG. source Tried to remove exclusion zones around abortion clinics which are designed to protect patients from harassment. source Voted against a motion which called for independent investigation of the bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan by the USA, which is a war crime. source Refused to give counselling to a pregnant woman prior to an abortion. The woman was raped whilst in our asylum seeker prisons. source Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years. source Spent $18.5 million on a facial recognition program to log and spy on every Australian, store social media photos and potentially conduct live tracking of all citizens. source source Spent $80,000 on catering for a week long trip to Cape York and Torres Strait, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Forced an asylum seeker to pay for medicine to treat an injury they got when a government employee physically assaulted them. source Laughed and joked about the pacific islands whose very existence is threatened by climate change sea rises. source Scrapped the requirement that the board members of the National Disability Insurance Scheme have actual experience with disabilities (either personally, or through someone close). source Started advertising the jobs of the National Disability Insurance Scheme board without notifying the current board. source Lied about how many refugees we take. source Spent $21,000 of government money to fly a minister somewhere to give a speech about the need to stop wasteful government spending. source Cited ‘the boats have stopped’ as evidence that the economy is doing well. source Told an Australian company to sack their Australian employees and hire foreigners, in order to remain competitive under the government’s new shipping deregulation rules. source Spent $24,000 on koala hire for a G20 photo opportunity, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent over $100,000 on flags for the G20 summit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Broke an election promise to cut the company tax rate by 1.5%. source Broke an election promise to introduce a new paid parental scheme. source Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million. source Broke an election promise to not change GST, by removing the exemption for online purchases. source Did not attempt to conduct privacy impact assessments for 90% of their terror bills. source Lifted a ban on the import of a particular shotgun which has a fast firing rate and seven shot magazine capacity. source Spent $24.6 million on an advertising campaign to spruik the benefits of a trade deal (whose content is secret), despite the alleged budget emergency. source Illegally gave approval to an environmentally damaging mine. They then criticised those who pointed out the crime, and tried to change the law so that environmentalists cannot take legal action against illegal mines. source Refused to offer treatment and support to an asylum seeker who was raped on Nauru. source Lied about banning certain muesli bars and other products on Manus Island which have ‘Freedom’ in the brand name. source Proposed a plan to prioritise the applications of refugees who pay the government large sums of money over less fortunate refugees. (a.k.a. a bribe.) source Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation. source source Spent $14.4 million to get support for outdated and insecure software, instead of using current versions. source Waited 3 months before giving medication to a toddler with tuberculosis (a potentially fatal illness). source Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either. source Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides. source Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise. source Held innocent asylum seekers in the same facilities as convicted rapists and murderers. source Spent $90,000 to send The Speaker to Europe for a fortnight so that she could apply for a job. source Spent $5,000 on a helicopter so that Bronwyn Bishop wouldn’t have to travel 1 hour by car to get to a Liberal fundraising event. source Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. source Spent $500,000 on Australian flags in just 6 months, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Banned the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) from investing in wind power and small scale solar power. source Banned telcos from seeing warrants for metadata access requests issued to chase down journalists sources, thereby undermining the purpose of the warrant system. source Removed the requirement for skills assessments of foreign electricians working under a Temporary Work visa. source source Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals. source Spent $500,000 on flags in just 6 months. source Used classified ASIO documents as props during a photo shoot. source Broke an election promise by scrapping Medicare locals. source Denied asylum seekers the right to make Freedom of Information requests for information the government has about them. source Admitted that an innocent senator was spied on by government employees whilst performing her job. The government initially labelled the senator an “embarrassment to this country” because they said the claims were “complete nonsense”, despite knowing they were true. source source Incorrectly claimed that the Lindt Cafe gunman was linked with ISIS. source Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house. source Illegally paid people smugglers money to turn boats around, in order to disrupt their business model. source source Cut $13 million from the Australia Council and Screen Australia. source Cut $105 million from the Australian Council for the Arts without bothering to consult anyone in the arts industry. source Introduced 2 year jail sentences for doctors who disclose government wrongdoing and the high rates of health problems in immigration jails, even if the disclosures are in the public interest. source Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying. source Refused to offer any assistance to thousands of innocent refugees stranded offshore in our region. source source Proposed new powers to banish Australians suspected of terrorism, possessing a ‘thing’ related to terrorism, downloading a single file related to terrorism, vandalising commonwealth property or entering a ‘no-go zone’ country even for innocent purposes. Each guilty verdict would be made by a minister, not a court. The government does not have to prove the suspects are guilty. The new laws may contravene the 1961 United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness. source source source source Cut funding for an anti-deaths in custody service, the creation of which was recommended by the 1991 Deaths in Custody Royal Commission. source Granted the Immigration Department and local councils the power to search through the stored metadata of all citizens (and they won’t need a warrant). source source Tried to pass off all responsibility for “matters of national environmental significance” to the states, who have weaker environmental protections. source Proposed ‘ag-gag’ laws, under which activists who expose illegal animal cruelty can be imprisoned if they take more than 48 hours to go to the police. source source Chose to leave the Minister’s Council on Asylum Seekers and Detention empty. source Asked the Nauru government to block access to Facebook. source Cut all funding for The Conversation, a website which allows academics to promote and explain their research to a broader audience. source Censored data revealing shockingly high rates of mental illness amongst immigration detainees. source Spent $200,000 per year on gardening at Kirribilli House. source Spent $700,000 to rebrand “NBN Co” to “nbn TM”. source Lied about the cost of the price on Carbon. source Scrapped the domestic violence education program in schools. source Failed to name the leader of ISIS on the day they sent 330 troops to a war against ISIS. source Spent $4 million for the ‘Australian Consensus Centre’, a climate denial center to be run by someone with no qualifications in science or economics. The government had already cut all funding for the Australian Climate Commission, citing a lack of funds. source source Withdrew from Australia’s commitment to limit global temperature rises to two degrees. source Granted immigration detention centre staff greater immunity against repercussions for inappropriate uses of force. They now have greater immunity than police officers. source Scrapped a public inquiry into law enforcement agencies access to journalists’ telecommunications data, for the purposes of identifying journalists’ sources. source Spent $6 million on a movie which is supposed to deter people from fleeing genocide, war crimes, torture and other persecution. No English dubs or subtitles are available. source source Prevented the release of a ‘name and shame’ list of multinational tax dodging corporations. source Closed the school inside the Nauru detention centre, so that the space can be converted into offices, a staff gym and a staff recreational area. source Prohibited detention centre workers from joining certain political parties, churches and protests even when not identifiable as employees. They can also be fired if an asylum seeker follows them on Twitter without their knowledge. source Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though. source Proposed taxing all bank deposits. source source Scrapped the National Produce Monitoring System, which monitors domestic food for dangerous chemicals. source Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned. source Tried to pass multiple bills to halve the backpay of intellectually disabled workers who earned only $1 per hour in wages. source Kicked 10 Save The Children workers off Nauru, despite the government having no evidence to support their allegations of sexual and physical assault by the workers against detainees. source Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. source Rejected the crowdfunded offer of free solar panels with free installation for Kirribilli House. source Stripped 8000 public servants of their rights against unfair dismissal. source Prosecuted a white hat hacker who exposed serious security vulnerabilities of some of the ISPs who store the sensitive data of all Australians under the government’s data retention policy. source Closed 150 remote Indigenous communities. source source Breached the international convention against torture. source Proposed scrapping the census. source Defended the use of the War Memorial to hold corporate events for foreign arms manufacturers. source Cut funding to Blind Citizens Australia, Deaf Australia and Down Syndrome Australia. source Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry. source Exempted Gmail, Skype and Facebook from their data-retention scheme, thereby significantly reducing its effectiveness. They are exempted because they are not Australian. Hence, Australian email providers will be forced to pay for data retention servers, while competing with non-Australian companies who don’t. source Accused the Human Rights Commissioner of bias, because she published a report into children in detention, finding 233 incidents of assault against children, inside the government’s immigration camps. source Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public. source Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. source Spent $17 million on a social media internet filter, allegedly to stop terrorist propaganda. The government believes that peaceful environmental protestors can be “terrorists”. source source Claimed “good government starts today”, after 18 months of governing. source Referred journalists to the police after they reported on immigration matters, including the illegal breaches of Indonesia’s borders. source Lied about the use of weapons by peaceful protesters on Manus Island, when their camp was flooded with armed guards in riot gear. source Chose not to do any modelling whatsoever to determine whether the Emissions Reduction Fund will reduce emissions by the amount they claim it will. source Spent over $80,000 on kitchen appliances. source Knighted Prince Phillip, a non-Australian who asked Indigenous leaders “Do you still throw spears at each other?”. source Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. source Applied to withdraw from a UN convention to protect migratory sharks, 2 months after agreeing to the convention. source Awarded a $6.3 million contract for armored cars for politicians to a foreign company, even though the company did not bid for the tender and an Australian company did. source Criminalised some discussions about cryptography by crytographic academics. source source source Spent more money per student on homeopathy, flower essence therapy and naturopathy tertiary courses than law, economics, languages and humanities. source Proposed the loosening of 457 work visas, allowing foreigners to work in Australia for 12 months, without passing English tests, without the need to look for local workers first. source Spent $88,000 on yoga workshops to improve the emotional intelligence of Immigration Department workers. source Used veto powers to block a UN resolution calling to the end of Israel’s occupation of Palestine. source Spent over $15 million on an advertisement campaign to make university fee deregulation more palatable. source Violated the principle of non-refoulement again, by sending a refugee back to Afghanistan, where he was subsequently tortured for trying to escape. source Scrapped a plan to make coursework masters students eligible for income support. source Cut $44 million over 4 years from the Skills for Education and Employment program which helps jobseekers improve their reading, writing and maths. source Cut $66 million over 3 years from a program which supplements the income of adult apprentices earning less than minimum wage. source Introduced a $900 NBN fee for all new houses. source Cut all funding of homelessness and community housing programs, except the ones they are legally required to fund. source Refused to give visas to refugees who were found to have a well founded fear of persecution, came by plane, passed health checks and passed security checks. source source Appointed a climate change denier as parliamentary secretary to the minister of the environment. source Appointed who said he has “no interest in defence issues” as Minister for Defence. source Cut foreign aid a third time, this time by $3.7 billion. source Spent $120,000 monitoring the media for mentions of the Immigration Department. source Legislated to override all non-refoulement obligations. The government can now send refugees back to countries even if they know for certain that the refugees will be tortured or killed upon return. source Withdrew from the UN Refugee Convention. source Gave millions of dollars to subsidise the training of priests and other religious workers, using the money cut from public, secular universities. source Forced indigenous welfare recipients to work for full time, for 52 weeks a year, to get $5 per hour. source Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect. source Claimed that virtual private networks (VPNs) would be exempt from their internet filter, then voted against an amendment to exempt VPNs from their internet filter. source Introduced an internet filter. Consumers and rights groups will not be able to contest blockages. The filter will cost customers $130,000 per year. Village Roadshow Studios donate over $300,000 to the Liberals each year, as do many other studios. source source source source source Gave the Immigration Minister the power to deny or revoke citizenship because someone has a mental illness. source Refused to grant asylum to anyone waiting in refugee camps in Indonesia. source Started another senate inquiry into wind farms, to look at the effect of wind power on power bills, even though the government’s own reviews have already shown that wind power reduces power bills. source source Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%. source Gave permission to Chinese companies to sue the Australian government if it implements laws which reduce the corporation’s profits. Australian companies can’t even do the same to the Chinese government. The actual text of the legislation is being kept secret. source Perpetuated the lie of ‘Terra Nullius’. source Chose to not investigate claims of torture and rape by staff in the Manus Island detention centre, because the accused corporation investigated the claims themselves and concluded that they were not guilty. The investigation was done completely internally by Transfield, without any involvement with the Immigration Department. source Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company. source Tried to remove the requirement that telecommunications companies disclose how many times they voluntarily handed customer’s data to law enforcement agencies without a warrant. source Bribed murder witnesses with the offer of the rights that they are currently being denied, to make them withdraw their statements about the death of someone who was murdered by the government’s contractors. source Disobeyed Commonwealth value-for-money rules by forcing the Australian Tax Office to spend millions on new offices without making a business case for it or doing a cost benefit analysis. source Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament. source Refused to fulfill a senate order to explain the reasons behind a ban on accepting any refugees from Ebola infected countries. No such ban exists for normal immigrants. source Tried to remove the requirement that all free to air TV stations have captions from 6am to midnight. source Illegally refused to grant permanent visas to people found to be genuine refugees, despite their own department and the United Nations Human Rights Council telling them it is illegal. source Appointed 2 Liberal mates to the Migration Review Tribunal even though they were not shortlisted by the selection committee. source source Chose not to tell asylum seekers that sensitive information about their asylum claims, mental health problems and more was stolen again. The data was left on a hard-drive without password protection, outside of the lockable store-rooms. source Reduced the number of charities and aid organisations allowed into the G20 summit from 75 to 3. source Reduced leave allowances for defence force personnel and reduced wage increases to below the inflation rate, just a few days after declaring war. source Introduced laws to allow ASIO to secretly detain people without charge, without any contact to the outside world, and allow them to conduct “coercive questioning” even when less extreme measures are available. Refusal to answer ASIO’s questions would be a crime punishable by imprisonment. source Gave ASIO the power to read, delete and modify anything and everything on the entire internet, with only one warrant. No one can sue them if they use that information or power illegally. If a journalist reports such abuse, they will be jailed for 10 years. source source source Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time). source source Refused to send the Prime Minister to a UN climate summit with 125 other heads of state, even though the Prime Minister was attending another UN summit in the same city the next day. source source Joined the Iraq war 3.0 by recklessly running in with guns blazing without a clear, public and testable objective, without a proposed timeline, without any explanation of why we won’t fail just like the last time and without debating the matter in parliament. The government is calling the war a “humanitarian mission”, even though they cut all foreign aid to Iraq just a few months prior. source source source Spent $12 million trying to convince Sri Lanka to accept 2 boatloads of asylum seekers. source Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers. source Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online. source Raised the terror threat level to “high”, despite receiving no specific intelligence since claiming that the threat level “has not changed”. source source Refused to give medical treatment to an asylum seeker with a cut on his foot, who later died because of an infection. source Rejected visa applications for unionists who wanted to attend a conference, because they didn’t have enough “personal wealth”. source Tried to introduce WorkChoices again. The changes will make it legal for employers to pay workers in pizza instead of money. Some workers will get less pay while taking annual leave. Employers will be able to veto industrial action. Unions will be stripped of their right to enter a workplace to discuss things will employees during unpaid breaks. Workers will no longer be paid extra for weekend work and overnight work. source source source Scrapped funding for the Red Cross asylum seeker support program. 500 jobs were lost. source Removed the requirement for ASIO to get a warrant before using tracking devices. source Legislated to permit ASIO operatives and associates to commit torture, and any other crime aside from murder, serious injury infliction, sexual assault and property damage. source source source source Legislated so that courts must accept illegally obtained evidence. source Privatised Australian Hearing. source source Increased intelligence agency funding by $630 million, and fought for the power to stop Australians from travelling to Middle Eastern countries, even though the risk of terrorism “has not changed” at the time. Australians who travel to those countries will be guilty until proven innocent. They will face up to 10 years of imprisonment. source source Scrapped the Countering Violent Extremists Program, which involved grants to community programs. source Censored doctors’ reports showing that 1/3 of all detainees suffer from mental illness, and that self harm amongst children is common. source source Axed the Schools Business Community Partnership Brokers program, which has saved thousands of students from dropping out of school. source Introduced Work-For-The-Dole despite their own data showing that such programs are the least effective way of helping people find jobs. source Cut the $16 per patient per day supplement for aged care providers. source Rewrote counterterrorism laws so that Australian tourists returning from Syria and Iraq will be guilty of terrorism until they prove they are innocent. source Broke an election promise by allowing the new multi-billion dollar batch of Navy submarines to be built overseas, despite high levels of unemployment amongst our manufacturing sector. source source Spent $330,000 renovating a single room which has never been used. Including $800 on a single door knob. The cost of leaving it unused but on standby comes to $100,000 per year. source Forced the unemployed to apply for 40 jobs per month. This will bombard businesses with over 1,000,000 applications per day. There’s currently about 1 job availability for every 10 unemployed people, so a lack of job applications is not the problem. source source Introduced mandatory metadata retention schemes for all internet providers. The government admits the changes are not necessary, and that there is no evidence to show that it will improve law enforcement. Warrants will not be required to access the data. The cost of implementing the schemes will come to about another $100 per customer per year. It will be used to punish illegal downloaders. source source source source source Finally admitted that “There’s no crisis at all in the Australian economy”, despite centering their election campaign on the alleged budget emergency. source Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years. source source source source Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office. source Falsely claimed that nations around the world are scrapping emissions trading schemes, even though there is currently a net increase in adoption of such schemes. source Remained unapologetic about 10 mothers trying to commit suicide. The mothers hoped that their orphan children would be freed from torturous asylum seeker prisons and cared for. source Forcefully handed over 41 innocent asylum seekers to a genocidal government, despite being aware that many had already been tortured before fleeing. This violates international laws and our own domestic laws. source source Incorrectly explained the mechanics of their own Carbon Price repeal. source Committed maritime piracy by storming boats in international waters at gunpoint, kidnapping and then imprisoning innocent passengers. Maritime piracy constitutes crimes against humanity. source source Claimed pre-First Fleet Australia was “unsettled or, um, scarcely settled”, and called British colonisation a form of foreign investment. source source Cut $44 million from homelessness services. source Removed all mentions of climate change from their extreme weather website. source source Moved to strip environmental organisations from charity status. source source Refused to refer to East Jerusalem as “occupied”, even though the Israeli military has met the specific criteria which constitute the legal definition of occupation, and even though Israel’s own highest court ruled that the region is occupied, and even though the Israelis have built a wall twice as tall as the Berlin Wall to separate the region from the rest of Palestine. source Introduced legislation to allow the government to send asylum seekers back to the country they fled from, even if there is up to a 49% chance that they will be killed or tortured upon return. This violates the principle of non-refoulement, which constitutes human rights abuse. source source source source Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials. source Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied. source source Tried to remove the laws that require financial advisors to act in the best interest of their clients, and the requirement that they provide clients with a statement of the fees they’ll be charged each year. source source Refused to let Leo Seemanpillai’s parents come to Australia temporarily for his funeral. He burned himself to death because the Australian Government wanted to send him back to proven genocide in Sri Lanka. His parents have been living in a refugee camp for 2 decades. 2 other people tried to commit suicide the same way within a month of Leo’s death, to avoid being sent back to Sri Lanka. source source source Scrapped the annual $5 million grant to the Red Cross. source Defended the $4.8 million salary of the head of Australia Post, immediately after he cut 900 postal worker jobs to save money. source Lied by claiming asylum claims were being processed in the lead up to the Manus Island riots. source Cancelled meetings with the head of the International Monetary Fund and the president of the World Bank because Mr. Abbott would be told that the government’s support for fossil fuels will heavily damage our economy in the long run. source Failed to model the impact on hospital emergency room waiting times due to the proposed GP fee. source Cut a further $600 million from Indigenous programs, in addition to the $534 million cuts in the 2014 budget. source source Claimed that removing the upper limit on university fees will cause fees to decrease. source Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. source Blamed everyone but themselves for the murder of an innocent person during the Manus Island riots. Contractors, locals and even the victims were blamed. The report identified at least one of the murderers, but he has not been charged with murder. source source Slashed $560,000 from the Refugee Council of Australia. source source Supported Japan’s moves to remove the pacifist parts of their constitution, claiming that the creation of an offensive Japanese military force will help regional stability and peace. (Japan only has a self defence force.) source Offered money to Manus Island detainees if they voluntarily returned to the war crimes, genocide, torture and persecution that they originally fled from. When in opposition the government opposed these same payments. source source Refused to comment about American drone strikes which killed 2 Australians. source Funded PNG’s defence against a legal challenge to the Manus Island detention centre. source Redirected $4 million from the Child Sex Abuse Royal Commission to the Home Insulation Inquiry. source Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.) source Tried to scrap the Asbestos Safety and Eradication Agency. source Confiscated medication from asylum seeker detainees. A 3 year old consequently suffered repeated seizures. source source source Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. source Tried to introduce a $7 fee for each time you go to see a GP. They claimed $7 is simultaneously large enough to act as a deterrent (thereby saving money), and small enough that it won’t deter poor, sick people from getting help. source source source Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia. source Lied about the presence of a full time psychiatrist on Manus Island. source Cut over $900 million from local council funding. source Scrapped tax breaks for people with a dependent spouse. source Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog. source Scrapped The Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership. source Cut $170 million from the Research Training Scheme, which supported research students. source source Spent $12 million to investigate whether to sell off a department for $6 billion, when it makes $0.538 billion per year. source Cut $15 million from Charles Sturt University’s dental health program and oral clinic. source Cut $2.5 billion from aged care programs, such as Meals On Wheels. source Removed financial rewards which encouraged Universities to enroll disadvantaged students. source Scrapped the National Rental Affordability Scheme. source Cut Sunday penalty rates for casual restaurant workers. source Cut $16 million from ANSTO, Australia’s only nuclear research facility, and our only source of medical isotopes. source Slashed $1.1 million used to fight against animal abuse. source Made $110 million of broad-sweeping cuts to the Arts. The only organisation to receive more funding ($1 million more) is coincidentally chaired by the daughter of Rupert Murdoch. source source Cut $28.2 million from the Australia Council, which provides grants for the arts. source Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding. source Scrapped the National Water Commission. source Scrapped the National Preventive Health Agency’s $2.9 million National Tobacco Campaign. source Broke an election promise to have over one million roofs with solar panels. source source Broke an election promise by cutting billions from school funding and committing to even less of the Gonski reforms than they did at the election. source source source source Scrapped a program to encourage graduates to take up work in places of need. source Cut $1.3 billion from seniors concessions funding. source Scrapped the Community Food Safety campaign. source Cut $2.3 million from contributions to the World Health Organization. source Scrapped a program which encouraged Australian video game development. source Tried to deregulate university fees, thereby allowing Universities to charge what they want. Students would end up with American levels of crippling debt. Many of the politicians behind this policy received their degrees for free. Average student debt is expected to rise to $100,000, even though Abbott himself said “it is irresponsible to saddle Australians with $25,000 of debt”. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source source source Scrapped the Women’s leadership program. source Broke an election promise by cutting well over $15 billion per year from health funding. source source source source Scrapped the Australian Organ and Tissue Donation and Transplantation Authority, which has helped increase organ donation rates. source Tightened eligibility and lowered indexation for support for injured Veterans. source source Scrapped the Commonwealth Human Rights Education Program. source Scrapped the Education Department’s Online Diagnostic Tools Program, which helped improve teachers’ productivity. source Cut $4.4 million from job interview workshop programs. source Scrapped the Office of Water Science research program. source Reduced the Medicare optometry rebate. source Spent $480 million merging the Department of Immigration and Customs into Border Force, which won’t have to follow public service or Defence Force laws and protocols of conduct. source source Simultaneously increased the cost of petrol and cut funding for public transport. The government argued that disadvantaged people can’t afford cars anyway, so they won’t be hurt by the changes. source source source Scrapped Youth Connections, a program which helped disengaged youth reconnect with work and education. source Removed family tax benefits for children older than 6, and drastically reduced the income threshold for its eligibility and froze it below interest rates. source source Cut $845.6 million from programs which fund innovative start-ups. source Stopped giving under 25s Newstart. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this will violate our human rights obligations. source source source Spent $218 million upgrading Christmas Island’s asylum seeker operations, so that we can whisk off vulnerable people out of side quicker before we start abusing them. source Halved the $2.55 billion emissions reduction fund. source Cut $2 billion from Australian Renewable Energy Agency, Landcare and other environmental agencies. source Cut over half a billion from Indigenous spending. source Cut 16,500 public service jobs, despite promising to create one million new jobs. source Cut the Exotic Diseases program. source Ended the Get Reading! program. source Scrapped the Centre for Quality Teaching. source Cut $111 million from the CSIRO. source source source Cut $120 million from ethanol and biofuel programs. source source Cut all funding to NICTA, a peak ICT technology research company. Coincidentally, NICTA publicly criticised the Coalition’s NBN only a few weeks earlier, claiming fibre-to-node is an inferior option. source source Cut welfare for young people, so they have to survive on $0 per week for 6 months, before being put on a welfare scheme which is below the poverty line anyway. The Joint Committee on Human Rights said that this breaches our human rights obligations. source source source source source Set aside $245 million for religious chaplains in schools. Secular schools were stripped of the option of hiring a secular equivalent. No guarantees have been made about preventing heterosexist teachings that will make queer students feel sinful and ashamed. (Queer students are 6 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers.) Hundreds of secular social workers will lose their jobs. source source source source Scrapped the First Home Buyer’s Account scheme, which provided sorely needed assistance for young people to buy homes. source Broke an election promise by tightening disability pension eligibility and financially penalising anyone who spends at least 4 weeks overseas. source source source Broke an election promise by changing age pension indexation, and eligibility age, and the threshold. source source source Abolished the position of disability commissioner, then created the position of wind farm commissioner. source source Cut all funding to the government’s only dedicated disability website. source source Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC. source source source Cut foreign aid, again. This time by $7.6 billion. source Started charging interest on HECS. OECD figures show that the public benefits from tertiary qualifications twice as much as the individual. source source Reduced the income threshold where graduates start to pay back HECS. source source Cut $138 million from the Australian Federal Police, resulting in 335 job losses. source Scrapped a loan scheme which helped apprentices buy the tools they need to learn and work. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after an unexploded wartime shell was found inside the compound. source Claimed asylum seekers are safe on Nauru, even after it was leaked that some guards physically and verbally assault children regularly. source Failed to provide adequate medical treatment to asylum seekers on Manus Island who were shot and bashed by locals that invaded the camp and rioted. source source Went $1 million (67%) over budget on the Commision of Audit, an investigation into how taxpayer money can be spent more prudently. source Cut $15 million from Flinders Hospital, then spent $10 million upgrading the field for the Manly Rugby League team. source Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC). source source source Described wind farms as “utterly offensive” and “a blight on the landscape”. source Spent $20 million on an international campaign to discourage people from fleeing war crimes, genocide and other persecution. source Broke an election promise by proposing a deficit tax. source Chose not to debrief any Manus Island detention centre staff after the riots by PNG locals which resulted in the death of one asylum seeker and the hospitalisation of dozens more. source Paid people $1500 per person per day to recommend spending cuts. source Deliberately ignored desperate and repeated pleas by security personnel on Manus Island and the commander of Operation Sovereign Borders requesting stronger fencing, CCTV cameras and better lighting. These requests were made months before locals broke down the fences, shot, stabbed and bashed detainees, none of which was caught on CCTV footage. source Tried to abolish the independent national charity regulation body, which would mean the government would regulate charities, possibly resulting in less impartial regulation. For example, environmental groups stripped of charity status because they oppose government policies. source Removed climate change from the agenda of the 2014 international G20 summit. source Spent about $2 million for Prince William and Kate’s 14 day royal visit, despite the alleged budget emergency. source source Spent $3 billion on new drones to patrol our borders, despite the alleged budget emergency. source Spent $7.5 million on life boats to send back asylum seekers in. Allegedly the motivation behind the government’s asylum seeker policy is to stop people drowning when travelling from neighbouring countries to Australia in unsafe vessels. Despite this, much of the safety equipment was removed from the boats before sending asylum seekers back into the ocean. source source Prevented internet supplier TPG from installing fibre all the way to customers. The arbitrary bureaucratic hurdles have increased the cost of fibre to premise by 15%. source source Broke an election promise by no longer guaranteeing NBN speeds higher than what ADSL can provide. source Retroactively introduced legislation to classify someone born in Australia as an “unauthorised maritime arrival” because their parents haven’t had their asylum claims processed yet. source source Scrapped a body which provides advice on over $1 billion in tax breaks that are designed to encourage Research and Development, despite promising during the election to improve incentives for Research and Development investment. source Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. source Cut over 300 jobs (about 1 in 3) in the Treasury department. source Cut 400 jobs in the Department of Industry. source Removed anti-sweatshop laws and cut all funding to Ethical Clothing Australia. source Closed all Medicare offices on Saturdays. source Ceased legal assistance for people exercising their right to make a claim for asylum. source Cut 250 jobs from the Federal Environment Department. source source Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests. source Increased the eligibility age for the pension. source Claimed that the average electricity bill will be $200 per year lower without the price on carbon, despite relevant power companies rejecting the magnitude of this figure. source Implemented a policy which dictates that public servants should be sacked if they criticise the government in social media, even if their profile does not mention the their employment, and even if the profile is completely anonymous. source source source Chose not to give 300 children almost any schooling during 9 months of detention. source source Threatened staff against speaking out about the mismanagement of the Manus Island detention centre and the attacks against it’s inmates by locals and staff. source Detained people in conditions so inhumane and horrid that three pregnant women asked for abortions, to stop their children suffering in detention indefinitely. The Government has refused to comment. source source Chose not to process any claims for asylum from people detained on Manus Island. source Claimed that all social media is anonymous. source Chose to keep secret the interim report into the riots inside the Manus Island detention centre. source source Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it. source Claimed the government will be $13.7 billion better off if the Mining Tax is scrapped, even though the scrapping the tax itself would actually result in a net loss If $3.7 billion. The only savings would be through other cuts hidden in the repeal bill. The biggest of which is the Schoolkids Bonus (an initiative which was never associated with the Mining Tax). The government claims the average household will be better off, but the average household will be $3500 worse off due to repealed subsidies and tax breaks. source source Interfered with the judicial process by transferring asylum seekers to a remote detention centre the day before they started a court case against the Australian Government. The case was about how the government endangered them and their families by accidentally publishing personal details about their asylum claims online. source source Spent more money on detention centres than it would cost to house asylum seekers in Sydney’s most expensive 5 star hotels (per asylum seeker per day). source Started charging people who put in bankruptcy applications, and increased the levy on money earned post-bankruptcy. source Broke international laws by arbitrarily imprisoning children. source Scrapped a program to give asylum seekers free advice on how to navigate Australia’s immigration bureaucracy when exercising their right to seek asylum. The justification for this scrapping was based on the false claim that asylum seekers are illegal. source source source source Tried to reintroduce temporary protection visas. source source Ignored an order from the United Nations Human Rights Committee to release some asylum seekers who are being illegally held without proof or judicial protection, in cruel, inhumane or degrading circumstance. source Reintroduced the British system of knights and dames, only 3 months after saying they would not do so. source Spent $211,000 on public relations staff to make the Medibank Private sale more palatable to the public. source Sold Medibank Private for $4 billion, even though that means the government will lose up to $0.5 billion per year of income from dividends. source source Claimed that all Australians have the “right to be a bigot”. source Refused to grant a human rights lawyer access to the Manus Island detention centre. source Backed PNG’s decision to cancel a human rights inquiry into the Manus Island detention centre. source Issued Manus island detention centre guards with knives designed for noose cutting, because they frequently need to cut down people who try to hang themselves thanks to of the horrid conditions. source source Tried to exempt loggers in Tasmania’s World Heritage forests from the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act, so they won’t have to worry about killing threatened species. source Claimed that the majority of asylum seekers on Manus island won’t be given refugee status, even though more than 90% of all asylum seekers who’ve come to Australia since mid 2009 were eventually found to be genuine refugees, fleeing torture, rape, genocide and persecution. source source Vowed to revive a part of WorkChoices which means construction Industry Enterprise Bargaining Agreements don’t apply to subcontractors doing Commonwealth work. source Refused to support a UN proposal to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. If such crimes been committed, the Abbott government will be guilty of crimes against humanity for forcefully sending refugees back to Sri Lanka, and for actively helping the Sri Lankan military stop people from fleeing their rape, torture and genocide. A Sri Lankan Tribunal has already proven that the Sri Lankan government is guilty of genocide. source source source source source Failed to provide running water to some toilets in the detention centre on Manus Island. source Spent $25 million extending the contracts of the crew on one ship so they could be part of Operation Sovereign Borders. source Provided no soap in the Manus Island detention centre and regularly gave asylum seekers worm infested food. source Proposed amendments to the Racial Discrimination Act so that people who “offend” or “insult” someone because of their “race, colour or national or ethnic origin” will not be legally required to pay compensation. source source Gave $100 million to Australia’s 2 most profitable mining companies, to build a mine which isn’t even in Australia, despite claiming “the age of entitlement is over”, and despite refusing to give corporate welfare to struggling companies who have to sack hundreds of workers. source source source Prevented journalists from interviewing asylum seekers injured in the Manus Island riots. source Lied thrice in one BBC interview by claiming that the Abbott government is considering settling asylum seekers in Australia, and claiming that children in detention go to school, and claiming that asylum seekers on Manus Island are having their claims processed. None of these claims are true. source Cut all welfare ($260,000) for orphans of defence force casualties. source source source Gave state governments an ultimatum: sell off government assets before a certain deadline, (regardless of whether the people or the state government want to) or miss out on billions of dollars of funding. The states would not be allowed to use the money from the sales to pay off debt. Reluctant states were told they could still access federal funds through environmental programs that the Federal Government is trying to scrap. source source source source Justified the logging of forests currently on the world heritage list because Christianity supposedly tells us “the environment is meant for man”. source Ripped $140 billion out of Australians’ superannuation accounts through loosening of consumer protection rules regarding financial planning. source Deported the mother of a 4 year old Australian citizen, thereby separating the child permanently from her only remaining guardian. source Stopped collecting data on gender equality in the workplace. source Threatened to block government funding from arts groups who refuse sponsorship from corporations the artists deem unethical. source Lied to the United Nations about the quality of the Tasmanian forests they want removed from the world heritage list. source Claimed no Sri Lankan asylum seekers have been sent back into danger, despite being in possession of documents which prove at least one asylum seeker was tortured after being forcefully sent back. A Sri Lankan tribunal recently proved that the Sri Lankan government was guilty of genocide. The United Nations Human Rights Commission is currently investigating war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sri Lanka. source source source Suggested most existing major roads should introduce tolls. source Spent $24 billion on new, buggy, spontaneously combusting fighter jets, already years behind schedule, which aren’t going to be built in Australia. The jets can’t run off warm fuel from a truck which has been sitting in the sun (since the fuel tank is used as a heat sink). The software for firing the guns won’t be ready until 3 years after deployment. The software has not passed a security audit. Each plane holds less than 3 seconds of ammunition for the guns. source source source source source source Failed to supply enough food to asylum seekers inside the detention centre on Manus Island. source Secretly defeated an international nuclear disarmament treaty, arguing against a sentence in the treaty which stated that it is in the interests of humanity that nuclear weapons never be used again “under any circumstances”. Australia argued that a disarmament treaty would be less effective at reducing proliferation than having no disarmament treaty. source Kept secret the taxpayer funded 900 page Audit commission report which recommended tightening eligibility for seniors health cards. source Tried to scrap the price on carbon, even though the emissions of relevant companies have dropped by 7% due to the price. source Declined an offer from the Uniting Church to care for unaccompanied refugee children currently in detention centres. The church offered to feed house and clothe them free of charge. source Ridiculed the notion that the minister for women should identify as a feminist. source Started 5 audits of the NBN within the first 7 months of being in power. source Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies. source Claimed that loggers are “the ultimate conservationists” during a speech about why the government will not create more national parks. In the same speech Abbott lamented that we have “too much locked up forest”. There are currently over 1000 innocent children locked up in detention centres, presumably this is not “too much”. source source Blamed Qantas job losses on the carbon tax, even though a Qantas spokesman said “Qantas’ current issues are not related to carbon pricing”. source Finally admitted that “Operation Sovereign Borders” is a civilian operation not a military one. source Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office. source Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. source Spent over $8 million each year on salaries alone for 95 media staff for the department of Immigration, despite the fact that the department tells the media almost nothing. Those same staff spent over $9,000 in just 2 months monitoring the media for transcripts of their own minister’s press conferences. source source Proposed a “green army” comprised of young people paid less than half of minimum wage without normal workplace protections. source source Cut $3 million in funding for a program to save an endangered rhino species of which there are only 100 left. source Referred to our humanitarian immigration program as “Operation Sovereign Murders”. source Defended spending $3.5 million on a tent kitchen on Manus Island. source Sent asylum seekers back to Indonesia, 3 of which later died trying to cross a river in the jungle they landed next to. source Defended the Manus Island scheme during a press conference about the man who was shot dead in our detention centres by claiming the government is “ending the deaths” of asylum seekers. More refugees have died on Manus island than have been settled. source source Chose not to send any representatives to the Partnership for Market Readiness assembly, a conference which Australia helped fund which is about market mechanisms to curb emissions. source Appointed someone to head the investigation into the Manus Island riots who claimed that rape victims in Manus Island detention centres receive better treatment than Australians. source Planned a doubling of the defence force’s annual budget, increasing it by $24 billion, despite the supposed budget emergency and after the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. source source source source source Defied legislation by not appointing the Climate Change Authority to run the investigation into the Renewable Energy Target. source Blamed electricity price rises on the renewable energy target, despite their own modelling predicting that is will reduce electricity prices in the long term, and Energy Australia stating that it has suppressed prices since it was created. source source source Forced Manus Island staffers to lie to detainees. source Placed an ex-officer of the Sri Lanka army in charge of the Manus Island detention centre, which holds people fleeing the Sri Lanka army’s war crimes and genocide. source source Spent $13.3 million on floating hotels for detention centre staff on Manus island. source Admitted the information given about the Manus detention centre riots was drastically wrong. source source Convinced Cambodia (one of the poorest countries in our region) to take in some of the refugees currently in our detention centres. Serious human rights abuse continue to be committed regularly under the Cambodian government and military. source source source source source Purchased 8 new Poseidon aircraft totalling $4 billion despite the “budget emergency”. source source Guarded the body of a dead asylum seeker using guards who were possibly the ones that shot him. Those same guards confiscated a camera from a journalist on site then deleted all his photos. source Blamed the Carbon Tax for job losses at Alcoa’s aluminium smelter, despite Alcoa being 94.5% exempt from the tax, and despite Alcoa explicitly stating that “the carbon tax was not a factor in the decision”. source Accidentally published personal details about almost 10,000 asylum seekers and their claims. Regardless of whether the original asylum claims were genuine, if those asylum seekers are returned to their country of origin, they and their family may be imprisoned, tortured or killed because governments and militias in their country of origin will know they sought asylum. After discovering the blunder, the government took 13 days to remove the information from public view. As part of a press release about the accidental leak the government made public further information about where to find the still life threatening document. source source source source source source Eventually admitted that Navy ships “inadvertently” crossed into Indonesian waters despite using high tech GPS navigation, then they made the exact same mistake again 5 times. The government chose to not even interview any crew members of one such ship when writing a report on the matter. source source source Removed poverty reduction from the goals of the foreign affairs department, which manages foreign aid. source Paid their own indigenous employees substantially less than non-indigenous co-workers despite promising to help “close the gap”. source Deleted negative comments on the Department of Immigration’s Facebook page, but left objectively false comments, such as claims that asylum seeking is illegal. source source Denied responsibility after Manus Island detention centre guards let in a mob of locals, resulting in an asylum seeker being shot and dozens more injured. Injuries included slit throats, machete wounds and eyes hanging from sockets. source source source source source Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole. source source Annoyed the Navy by having the immigration minister tour naval bases like a defence minister would. source Promised to continue with their NBN plan even if a cost-benefit analysis (which is yet to be done) shows it does not give a worthwhile return on investment. source Chose a climate change denier to lead a review of the renewable energy target. source Denied any link between droughts and climate change. source Spent $4.3 million on market research to gauge public opinion on social media and other outlets about government policies. source source Proposed greater government control over the internet, including the power to order ISPs to block specific sites. source source Granted the Environment Minister retrospective legal immunity against court challenges alleging he failed to consider expert environmental advice before approving damaging mining projects. i.e. They are undermining the Rule of Law and legislating to allow the Environment Minister to literally ignore the environment. source Exempted Western Australia from federal laws protecting endangered species to allow a shark cull, despite evidence culls do not reduce the frequency of attacks on humans. source Spread propaganda to potential asylum seekers which deliberately make Australia look like a villainous, incompassionate country. The propaganda completely ignores the violence, torture, rape and persecution that causes people to seek asylum. source Disbanded an asylum seeker health panel of 12 experts from a range of fields, replacing it with one military surgeon. The government has refused to comment on the matter. source Alleged that Edward Snowden endangered lives and claimed that Australia does not need any surveillance reform. source source Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch. source Cut 500 jobs from the Australian Tax Office. source Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. source Lied about NSW signing on with their independent schools deal. source Proposed the conversion of one quarter of public schools to independent schools. source Claimed “the age of entitlement is over” whilst continuing to give mining companies billions of dollars of subsidies and tax concessions. source source source source source Lied about the working conditions at SPC factories to justify declining financial assistance. source Arbitrarily denied many asylum seekers the right to a lawyer during the interviews where they make their asylum claim. source Withheld asylum seeker arrival numbers to avoid being a “shipping news service for people smugglers”, despite literally advertising those same numbers on a billboard while in opposition. source source source Dismissed out of hand serious allegations that Navy personnel assaulted asylum seekers, based on the supposed moral perfection of those personnel. A recent investigation proved that some of those personnel had sexually assaulted other crew by inserting objects up their arses. The Defence Force and the Immigration Department didn’t even bother interviewing the asylum seekers who made the claims. source source source Embarrassed Australia on the world stage by oversimplifying the Syrian conflict as “goodies vs baddies”. source Appointed yet another straight, white cisgendered male as Governor General. source Called Edward Snowden a traitor. source Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government. source Accepted a claim for asylum not because of the merit of the claim but because Cricket Australia wanted the man in their team. source Violated international convention by criticising Labor on the Global stage. source Stole crucial evidence from an Australian lawyer representing East Timor in an international tribunal against Australia relating to our illegal spying on East Timor’s oil deal. source Shut down the 113 year old Australian Valuation Office, thereby making 200 jobs disappear. source Provoked Indonesia so much that they put their air force on standby at the border. source Crossed into Indonesian waters without authorisation again, then abandoned a boat without enough fuel to get to shore, forcing asylum seekers to swim for an hour to get to shore. source Defeated moves to cease the recital of the (Christian) Lord’s prayer at the start of each sitting day of (secular) federal parliament. source Cut all funding from all international environmental programs. source Closed mainland detention centres and moves detainees offshore, citing budget savings as the motivation, even though offshore processing costing almost twice as much as onshore processing. source source source Authorised the Navy to fire over the bows of asylum seeker boats. source Refused to comment on 4 attempted suicides, hunger strikes and many self harm attempts happening simultaneously in detention centres. source Exempted Navy personnel of workplace safety obligations to treat asylum seekers safely, and gave them legal immunity for criminal acts which are committed by order of the government. source Rewrote the school curriculum to make it more right wing. The previous curriculum was developed over many years with extensive consultation. The new curriculum is being written by two people. One thinks “abos” are “human rubbish tips”, called a sexual assault victim a “worthless slut”, and laments that Australia has too many “mussies” and “chinky-poos”. The other has questioned whether migrants and women are disadvantaged, and suggested homosexuality is “unnatural”. source source source Refused to respond to questions from the United Nations about boat tow-backs. source Likened our humanitarian immigration program to war. source Directed that asylum seeker families shall be given the lowest priority for processing, even those who’ve lived in Australia for years. source Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. source Endangered lives, committed maritime piracy and broke other international laws by turning around a boat whose passengers have the right to seek asylum in Australia. The government refused to comment on the matter. Lives were endangered as a result of this move, because the boat ran out of fuel and became stranded. source source source Tried to deport a gay refugee to Pakistan, where he would be imprisoned for life for his sexuality. In doing so the government would have committed human rights abuse by violating the principle of non-refoulement. The man has never lived in Pakistan. source source Threatened to withhold food from families if children don’t stand still for 6 hours per day queuing for food. The food is sometimes served with hands not utensils. source Forced women to queue for a whole day just to get a tampon or pad, only to queue again when they need a fresh one, because they are a fire hazard. The government refused to comment. source Scrapped the Building Multicultural Communities Program. 400 community organizations will now miss out on the promised funding they have already budgeted for. source Cut all funding to Jewish Holocaust Centre ($7,700). source Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians. source Quietly reduced instant asset write-off tax breaks for small businesses despite championing themselves as pro-small-business. source Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement. source Scrapped the National Intercountry Adoption Advisory Group then 2 months later created the interdepartmental working group on overseas adoption, a body which serves an identical purpose. source Stopped weekly press conferences on asylum seekers. Declined further comment on the matter. source Approved a 6.2% increase in health insurance premiums. source Deliberately omitted 23 questions asked of the immigration minister in a press conference. They have refused to comment further on why those questions were omitted. source Refused requests for medical treatment from a pregnant women in detention who subsequently had a miscarriage. She probably would have had a normal birth had she received the treatment she asked for. The government declined to comment further. source Broke an election promise to send a boat to monitor whaling by instead promising to only send an aircraft. The government subsequently broke that second promise too, allowing whalers to kill endangered whales without any Australian monitoring. source source Broke an election promise by renaming the NDIS, making it “DisablityCare” and renaming the “launch” a “trial”, thereby casting doubt on whether they will even commit to the scheme fully. source Scrapped the AusAid graduate program, requiring the sacking of the newest batch of graduates. source Axed the position of coordinator-general for remote indigenous services. source Approved the construction of gargantuan coal mines in the Galilee Basin, including one in the habitat of an endangered species. If all projects go ahead the emissions released from that coal annually will amount to 130% of what our entire nation currently emits annually. source source source Appointed Tim Wilson as human rights commissioner. He has personally advocated for the abolition of the human rights commission, and his new 6 figure salary is so large that the commission will have to cut education and anti-bullying programs to fund it. source Scrapped the Biodiversity fund. source Cut funding for the National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples, a body of elected representatives of the indigenous people. source Handed $16 million to Cadbury, but refused to give subsidies to Holden, Qantas and SPC Ardmona. Cadbury is owned by a multinational firm whose profits rose by 64% to $74.9 million last year. Coincidentally the Cadbury factory is located in a marginal electorate. source source source Axed the home energy saver scheme, which successfully helped struggling households cut down high electricity bills. source Dismantled the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, the Low Carbon Communities Program and the Caring for our Country Program. source Cut $43.1 Million in legal aid funding, including Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander legal services, community legal services, the UNSW Indigenous Legal Centre and the Family Violence Prevention Legal Services. source source source Cut funding for the Energy Efficiency Program (which was compulsory for large electricity consumers). source Slashed all funding (over $10 million) from the Environmental Defender’s Offices. source Broke an election promise by cutting $150 million from NSW hospitals. source source Axed a scheme to improve the wages of aged care workers. source Scrapped the Wage Connect Program (a scheme which encouraged employers to hire long-term unemployed people). source Broke an election promise for a 25MBi/s National Broadband Network, and announced that it will cost more than they promised. source Broke an election promise to return to surplus by 2016-2017. source Undermined the rule of law by proposing a “code of conduct” for refugees living in Australia, despite the fact refugees commit fewer crimes per person than the national average. source source source Failed to take any action in response to Snowden’s leaks showing that the Australian Government is helping the USA spy on all Australians. source Repealed poker machine laws designed to address gambling addiction. source Planned the unwinding of the World Heritage protection of Tasmanian forests despite opposition from the Forest Industries Association of Tasmania. source Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest. source Threatened queer detainees in PNG by saying they will be reported to local police if they engage in homosexual acts. Homosexuality is illegal in PNG. Such threats mean refugees fleeing persecution because of their sexual orientation are not able to make their asylum claim without fear of arrest. This counts as human rights abuse because it violates the principle of non-refoulement and strips people of their right to safely make a claim for asylum. The government has refused to comment further. source source source Terminated their deal with the Salvation Army to provide humanitarian assistance with those on Manus Island and Nauru. Consequently 300 people lost their job. The government has refused to comment further. source Disbanded IHAG, a group that provides advice about the health of asylum seeker detainees, which helps combat the rising rates of mental illness and self harm. The government has refused to comment further. source Approved the expansions for Abbott Point coal port, which requires dumping 3 million tonnes of dredge spoil onto the Great Barrier Reef, thereby threatening the Queensland’s entire tourism industry and hospitality industry, and the reef’s heritage status. source source Removed the Murray Darling from the list of threatened ecological communities. source Signed a trade agreement with South Korea that allows foreign companies to sue the Australian government if it implements policies which adversely affect their business (e.g. for environmental or anti-sweatshop reasons). source Removed the requirement for the government to consider advice about the protection of endangered species when approving projects. source Detained innocent asylum seekers in conditions so horrible they amount to torture according to Amnesty International. 500ml of water per person per day, in a shadeless tropical island, with mental illness rates of over 30% and no soap despite rampant gastro. source Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming). source Incorrectly defined metadata as billing data only, when it actually includes email subject headings, location data, financial transaction details and more. source source source Called for privatisation of electricity networks, despite evidence showing it does not lower power bills. source source Cut $3 billion in welfare for students, the elderly and families. source source Scrapped the Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, despite the fact our population is aging. source Secretly changed voting position at the UN regarding the Israel and Palestine issue without telling anyone. source Abandoned Gonski agreements with states and committed to 3 fewer years of Gonski than their pre-election promise. source Broke an election promise by scrapping the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council of Australia. The government spent $1 million on administrative costs to do so, even though the council only received $1.6 million in funding per year. source Cut $4.5 billion in foreign aid. source source Tried to scrap the $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corp, even though it provides $110 million per year in net revenue to the government. source Disbanded AusAid (the foreign aid body), merging the remainder into the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. source Ceased reporting births and clinical depression in detention centers. Downgraded self harm. source Forcefully and unapologetically separated a mother and her newborn child. source Cut $300 million from child care staff subsidies. source Introduced a bill which allows for unpaid union officials in elected roles to be jailed for up to 5 years and fined up to $340,000. source Cut $2.3 billion from higher education, and removed start-up scholarships (thereby significantly increasing the debt of the poorest students) and removed the 10% HECS discount for paying up-front. source Increased superannuation tax for the poor, and decreased it for the rich. source Tried to scrap the school kids tax concession (thereby increasing the cost of living for families by $16,000 per school child over their education). source Withdraw all Commonwealth funding for Commonwealth supported places at University. source Scrapped the Australian Animals Welfare Advisory Committee, Commonwealth Firearms Advisory Council, International Legal Services Advisory Council, National Steering Committee on Corporate Wrongdoing, Antarctic Animal Ethics Committee, Advisory Panel on the Marketing in Australia of Infant Formula, High Speed Rail Advisory Group, Maritime Workforce Development Forum, Advisory Panel on Positive Ageing, Insurance Reform Advisory Group and National Housing Supply Council (all in one day). source Provided $2.2 million for miners and farmers to fight against native title claims. source Cut $435 million from the Renewable Energy Agency. source Unwound same sex marriage laws in ACT. source source Scrapped the Social Inclusion Board (an anti-poverty advisory group). source Used Wikipedia as a source to support a claim which was actually contradicted by Wikipedia. source source Declared bushfires unrelated to climate change. source source Mandated that all public servants should incorrectly refer to boat arrivals as “illegal”. source source source Sent no one important to the international climate summit. The people who did go went in tee-shirts, giggled and were so insensitive and disrespectful that there was a walkout by other countries. source Proposed privatising HECS. source Tried to raise the debt ceiling by $200 billion. source Moved to protect companies from boycotts against them (e.g. for using slave labour or destroying the environment) thereby undermining the foundation of capitalism by reducing consumer power. source source Kept Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations secret, even though it threatens the very foundations of our democracy. The leaked agreement would allow international companies to sue governments if their profits are diminished by environmental, indigenous land rights or anti-child-sweatshop laws. The TPP would give corporations many of the same rights that individuals have. There is no expiration date or separation clause, so once signed, it’s here forever. source source source Broke an election promise by trying to scrap the 2020 emissions target. source source Scrapped the Climate coalition. source Cut 600 CSIRO staff. source Donated $2 million worth of patrol boats to help Sri Lanka stop people fleeing proven genocide, human rights abuse, war crimes and extra judicial killings. source source source source Excused torture in Sri Lanka. source Chose not to appoint a minister for science, for the first time in half a century. source Appointed a man as minister for women who said “I don’t support womens’ causes”. source source Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Only one of these was false?

No, I only fact checked one and it was false.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:31:23
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700275
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

Which one?

FWIW, each claim is backed up by its source here. https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

Fuck me, the first claim source links to a news article:

Charter flight operator: We could bring stranded Aussies home but government won’t let us

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/01/17/stranded-australians-chartered-flights/

That’s fucking woeful and rather laughable.

Because…?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:32:17
From: sibeen
ID: 1700276
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

FWIW, each claim is backed up by its source here. https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

Fuck me, the first claim source links to a news article:

Charter flight operator: We could bring stranded Aussies home but government won’t let us

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/01/17/stranded-australians-chartered-flights/

That’s fucking woeful and rather laughable.

Because…?

Hahahahaha

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:33:00
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700278
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

Scroll back, the discussion is in this very thread.

There’s 902 statements there. Which one am I searching for?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:33:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700280
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

FWIW, each claim is backed up by its source here. https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/

Fuck me, the first claim source links to a news article:

Charter flight operator: We could bring stranded Aussies home but government won’t let us

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/01/17/stranded-australians-chartered-flights/

That’s fucking woeful and rather laughable.

Because…?

needs to be peer reviewed and printed in a reputable journal.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:34:05
From: sibeen
ID: 1700282
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Fuck me, the first claim source links to a news article:

Charter flight operator: We could bring stranded Aussies home but government won’t let us

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/01/17/stranded-australians-chartered-flights/

That’s fucking woeful and rather laughable.

Because…?

needs to be peer reviewed and printed in a reputable journal.

No. Just read it.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:37:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700285
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Prevented Australians stranded overseas during the pandemic from boarding existing chartered flights, resulting in empty planes flying into Australia. source

(snip)

Chose a cabinet with 18 men and only 1 woman. source
Broke an election promise that Abbott would spend his first week in an Aboriginal community. source

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

Scroll back, the discussion was in this very thread

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:39:58
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700287
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

Scroll back, the discussion was in this very thread

Tried searching for “Association fallacy”, got nothing.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:40:17
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700288
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

We went through this yesterday.
I fact checked just one and it turned out false.
I’m sure most of the others are contestable.

Which one?

Scroll back, the discussion was in this very thread

A different list I think.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:41:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700290
Subject: re: Aust Politics

From: JudgeMental
ID: 1698968
Subject: re: Aust Politics
https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

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A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Thanks to the Facebook news ban we’re now somehow the only news site in Australia, so here’s some serious journalism listing all the questionable decisions that ScoMo and co made after he forgot to check with Jenny first.

The federal government has:

Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too much for land for the new Sydney airport).

Voted against a binding code of conduct designed to ensure politicians act with integrity.

Blocked a research-backed design change to increase the effectiveness of beverage warnings about drinking during pregnancy (recommended by an independent body) after meeting with lobbyists from alcohol companies who have donated over $300,000 to the Coalition.

Gave $345,000 to News Corp to build a spelling bee website, discarding any pretense of propriety or fairness by skipping the usual parliamentary checks and tender process, instead just choosing to hand the excessive amount of cash to a company whose industry is neither website building nor education.

Hid a record-breaking number of expenses from the public in an annual budget, including cash handed to a private rail project, maintaining an abandoned oil rig, and legal action relating to military bases which leaked toxic chemicals.

Loosened political donation laws.

Committed a crime by ignoring a ruling of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

Appointed a failed Liberal candidate to the SBS board instead of any of the ones recommended by the independent nominations panel.

Prevented parliament from debating whether to set up a National Integrity Commission.

Set up the COVID-19 National Co-ordination Committee with no terms of reference, no register of conflicts of interest, and then stacked it with gas company executives who unsurprisingly ended up recommending irrationally pro-gas policies.

690 documents about potential conflicts of interests were deliberately kept hidden.

Blocked parliament from debating significant environmental protection repeals, rushing through the legislation without allowing anyone to discuss it first.

Lied by claiming they appointed a Liberal party staffer to a job paying half a million dollars per year through an “open merit-driven, competitive process”. It was actually a limited tender not open to all, exempt from procurement rules which guarantee fairness and impartiality.

Tried to get parliament to vote on new legislation without giving copies of the bill to the people voting on it, and used unprecedented methods to prevent any politician to speak against it.

Paid tens of thousands of dollars to a company which was known to be corrupt, through a tender that was not opened up to all competitors.

Illegally forged a document to publicly criticise a political opponent.

Cancelled The Rule of Law and then preventing journalists from reporting on the case against a whistleblower who leaked truthful information in the public interest about senior politicians and law enforcement officials who flagrantly violated serious international laws. The court case is held in secret. The whistleblower’s name is illegal to publish. The witness and lawyers’ residences were raided, and the evidence against the government was confiscated.

Extended exemptions for political donation transparency, which are 25 years old and were only supposed to be temporary.

Paid $39 million to a naval boat manufacturer when not required to because the company failed to fulfill the relevant contract clauses, and they coincidentally donated to the Liberal party.

Illegally failed to respond to freedom of information (FOI) requests within the statutory 30 day deadline in 92.5% of cases.

Bought water rights for 50 times more than many valuations, and double the price of the seller’s valuation.

Lied by claiming that Kevin Rudd had travelled overseas and back during COVID while many Australians are still stranded overseas, when Mr Rudd had actually never left Queensland.

Refused to release a report into COVID policy communication strategies, which cost over $500,000.

Introduced a mandatory code of conduct to force companies like Google to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to large private news companies (but not ABC news nor independent news, nor the Chaser). Google currently drives over 3 billion clicks per year to Australian news companies. Therefore this is like a local plumber demanding that the Yellow Pages pay the plumber for the act of directing plumber-seeking customers to the plumber. This will also undermine the fundamental principles of the web itself, according to its inventor. The laws are written based on the incorrect assumption that news makes up 10% of Google searches when it’s only 1%.

Introduced red tape and distorted the free market by forcing Google to give special insider knowledge of proprietary search algorithm changes to large news companies but not small, independent journalists. It includes ambiguously written clauses about giving news companies access to Google users’ private data.

Introduced protections for company executives who trade while insolvent during the pandemic. This is only for cases where the debts are incurred “the ordinary course of business”. Those who try to adapt to the challenging circumstances will not be exempt. In this way the government is incentivising executives to not adapt to the unique circumstances.

Refused to release the minutes from an important meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee giving COVID advice to the Prime Minister.

Created the ABCC ostensibly for reducing corruption, but the ABCC boss himself violated rules and endangered people by ignoring COVID flight restrictions, travelling across the country to interview workers about a rally that happened 8 months prior.

Refused to release a multilateral trade agreement with China, which involves spending government money on infrastructure in other countries. The lack of transparency exacerbates existing concerns about burdening these other developing nations with unsustainable debt.

Deleted records of a $165,000 political donation from a political consultancy with stakeholders who stand to benefit from the government’s $1 billion visa privatization plan, and refused requests for further explanation.

Kept secret a government-funded report that showed less than 1 in 3 Australians trust our public service sector. The justification was that the government believed that the report which they wrote would mislead and confuse people.

Lied by claiming that all grants issued under the controversial $100M sports grant program were eligible for funding, when only 57% were. Failed to declare a property worth $1M in a minister’s declaration of interests. Failed to declare 2 properties worth more than $1M in another minister’s declaration of interests.

Approved a $36,000 grant to a shooting club without declaring that the approving minister was a member of that club.

Allocated sports grant funding based on which candidate projects were in marginal seats, rather than which were the most worthy. Then refused to release legal advice about whether such pork barrelling is illegal, and destroyed evidence about the funding choices.

Merged the Australian Federal Police into the Home Affairs department, allowing the minister to exert political influence on investigations.

Ignored a Royal Commission report which found the government’s Murray-Darling Basin Plan is illegal, whilst refusing to publish their own report which they claim provides a valid rebuttal. Abandoned standard tender processes when awarding a $423 million contract to a company with $50k in funds, little experience, no phone number, no mail address, housed in a shack.

Refused to publish a report used to justify a $53 million contract to outsource Centrelink call handling. Declared that they will violate a new law, because they don’t like it.

Spent $87,000 fighting against a Freedom of Information request about back-room deals, and then lied about the cost.

Drastically increased the amount of government money spent without a proper tender process, up to $34 billion per month.

Handed out $17.1M to private TV stations for a grant they didn’t ask for, without offering the money to the public broadcaster.

Refused a Senate Order to release details about expensive contracts for security, health and infrastructure in their detention camps in PNG.

Excused the conflict of interest arising when the head of the My Health Record (appointed by the government) privately received money for consultations about the My Health Record.

Spent 2 years trying to hide documents from Freedom of Information requests, about a serious breach of top secret documents, and mishandling of those documents by a minister.

Hid a report by the Governor General showing that the government paid twice as much as necessary for new combat vehicles, because such publicity would be bad for the private manufacturer’s future profitability. The company is not even Australian.

Lied about the Immigration Minister having no personal connection to someone who benefited from the direct intervention by the Immigration Minister in a visa case.

Spent an undisclosed amount of public money on legal defence for a minister who broken the law for political gain. Cut $84 million from the ABC (again).

Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.

Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.

Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator.

Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous. Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group.

Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.

Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home. Prevented university newspapers from attending the release of multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.

Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register.

Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife.

Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo.

Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA.

Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament.

Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt.

Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate.

Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.

Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase.

Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants.

Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question.

Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday.

Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported.

Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty.

Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency.

Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay.

Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years.

Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million.

Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.

Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either.

Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides.

Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise.

Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events. Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals.

Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house.

Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying.

Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though.

Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned.

Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party. Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry.

Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public.

Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations. Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act.

Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect.

Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5%.

Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company.

Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament.

Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).

Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers.

Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online.

Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.

Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office.

Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials.

Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.

Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons. Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.)

Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge. Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia.

Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog.

Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding.

Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.

Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).

Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut. Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests.

Paid a public relations company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it.

Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies.

Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office.

Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament. Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.

Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch.

Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel. Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government.

Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer. Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians.

Criticised the ABC for not “advancing Australia’s broad and enduring interests in the Asian region”, without actually accusing the ABC of any specific wrongdoing or poor judgement.

Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest.

Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming).

List compiled by Matthew Davis. You can view the full list of 902 points at https://www.mdavis.xyz

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:42:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700291
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Which one?

Scroll back, the discussion was in this very thread

A different list I think.

yes.

I don’t think the spring can take to much more, capt.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:42:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700292
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Fuck me, the first claim source links to a news article:

Charter flight operator: We could bring stranded Aussies home but government won’t let us

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/01/17/stranded-australians-chartered-flights/

That’s fucking woeful and rather laughable.

Because…?

needs to be peer reviewed and printed in a reputable journal.

only the well-funded ones are reputable

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:42:59
From: dv
ID: 1700293
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:44:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700295
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


From: JudgeMental
ID: 1698968
Subject: re: Aust Politics
https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

I just formatted it to look and read pretty.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:44:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700296
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

Which one?

Scroll back, the discussion was in this very thread

A different list I think.

¿ wait so there’s 2 lists of different 902 instances of corruption ?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:45:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700297
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



He’s gaslighting so blatantly it’s just laughable.

I wonder what happened to the SMH.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:46:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

From: JudgeMental
ID: 1698968
Subject: re: Aust Politics
https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/

The Chaser is a satirical outlet but all of this is legit

I just formatted it to look and read pretty.

Yeah. I wasn’t going to quote DV’s woeful effort… :-)

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:50:25
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700299
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



13 years in parliament,
10 years as a minister
3 years as prime minister

How long does he need before he starts to accept responsibility?

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:53:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700300
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


dv said:


13 years in parliament,
10 years as a minister
3 years as prime minister

How long does he need before he starts to accept responsibility?

need a spine for that.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:56:52
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:


He’s gaslighting so blatantly it’s just laughable.

I wonder what happened to the SMH.

James Massola is usually pretty good.

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Date: 21/02/2021 23:57:25
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700302
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Rule 303 said:

dv said:


13 years in parliament,
10 years as a minister
3 years as prime minister

How long does he need before he starts to accept responsibility?

need a spine for that.

903. Failed to take responsibility for culture of Parliament after 13 years. 10 as minister, 3 as prime minster. Ref:






He’s adding new shit every day.

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Date: 22/02/2021 00:09:46
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700303
Subject: re: Aust Politics

904. Pretended he had never heard about a rape that occurred in a minister’s office of the House, sparking incredulity from everybody in the universe. Ref:

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Date: 22/02/2021 00:12:04
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


904. Pretended he had never heard about a rape that occurred in a minister’s office of the House, sparking incredulity from everybody in the universe. Ref:

shit don’t stick to Scotty.

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Date: 22/02/2021 00:28:58
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700307
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Rule 303 said:

904. Pretended he had never heard about a rape that occurred in a minister’s office of the House, sparking incredulity from everybody in the universe. Ref:

shit don’t stick to Scotty.

It belittles us that some people are influenced by the same braying Hyena responses to valid criticisms that Trump fans used to such success. That the far-right media in Australia has normalised airhead responses, trivialised legitimate complaint, and relentlessly sought to distract attention from outrageous behaviour is predictable – That we do it to each other is a sure sign of abdication, of hopelessness of will, of abandonment of intent, and of surrender to cynicism.

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Date: 22/02/2021 01:29:42
From: dv
ID: 1700309
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 22/02/2021 01:51:20
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Were staffers included in the bonk ban or was that only for ministers?

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Date: 22/02/2021 06:41:47
From: buffy
ID: 1700316
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Yep.

He’s an embarrassingly obvious poseur, surely you perceive that. Or are you actually a bit impressed by his matey antics?

Not at all, but he has to be seen to be getting the vaccine to put a damper on the idiots. He was wearing a suit top and a long sleeved shirt, did you want him to go bare chested for the camera. Sure, the top is probably over the top but turning that into a anti-scomo statement is just stupid.

He should have just gone ready for the vax. He didn’t need the suit bit. Just roll up in your shortsleeved t-shirt. That’s what I do.

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Date: 22/02/2021 07:34:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1700318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

904. Pretended he had never heard about a rape that occurred in a minister’s office of the House, sparking incredulity from everybody in the universe. Ref:

shit don’t stick to Scotty.

It belittles us that some people are influenced by the same braying Hyena responses to valid criticisms that Trump fans used to such success. That the far-right media in Australia has normalised airhead responses, trivialised legitimate complaint, and relentlessly sought to distract attention from outrageous behaviour is predictable – That we do it to each other is a sure sign of abdication, of hopelessness of will, of abandonment of intent, and of surrender to cynicism.

I beg to differ.

Objecting to people saying that the trivial stuff is trivial just detracts from the serious stuff.

It gives his supporters the chance to dismiss all criticism as being just Scomo Derangement Syndrome.

Then they can look through a list of 902 allegations, find one that is a bit questionable, and dismiss the whole lot.

Of course it doesn’t really matter here, but it works in favour of the Libnats in the wider community.

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Date: 22/02/2021 07:37:32
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1700320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Are they implying anything with that photo?

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Date: 22/02/2021 08:25:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700330
Subject: re: Aust Politics

now that we’re at this point also watch for bus diving tactic and party casting it as actions of individual rather than institutional especially if any more victims identify

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Date: 22/02/2021 08:28:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700332
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

Objecting to people saying that the trivial stuff is trivial just detracts from the serious stuff.

It gives his supporters the chance to dismiss all criticism as being just Scomo Derangement Syndrome.

Then they can look through a list of 902 allegations, find one that is a bit questionable, and dismiss the whole lot.

but it feels so self vindicating to judge people based on the fact that they wear suits, or uniforms, or nothing

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Date: 22/02/2021 08:35:20
From: Michael V
ID: 1700333
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


now that we’re at this point also watch for bus diving tactic and party casting it as actions of individual rather than institutional especially if any more victims identify

Do you mean “throwing people under the bus”?

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Date: 22/02/2021 08:36:09
From: Michael V
ID: 1700334
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This is not going away easily.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/third-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-same-man-as-brittany-higgins/13177536

(I should have put this here, not in chat.)

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Date: 22/02/2021 08:37:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700335
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


This is not going away easily.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/third-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-same-man-as-brittany-higgins/13177536

(I should have put this here, not in chat.)

but the bigger the difference in the number of fingers pointed at one individual and all the others, the easier it is to say, “their fault, not ours”

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Date: 22/02/2021 08:39:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700336
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

now that we’re at this point also watch for bus diving tactic and party casting it as actions of individual rather than institutional especially if any more victims identify

Do you mean “throwing people under the bus”?

almost, but in the interests of saving the party face and the big golden handshake, there won’t need to be any throwing

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:04:11
From: Michael V
ID: 1700338
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

This is not going away easily.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/third-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-same-man-as-brittany-higgins/13177536

(I should have put this here, not in chat.)

but the bigger the difference in the number of fingers pointed at one individual and all the others, the easier it is to say, “their fault, not ours”

Yeah.

Except not dealing with it is clearly systemic and cultural.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:26:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700343
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Daily Times

Is rape ever going to become a man’s problem?I’ll preface this article by freely declaring I am day drunk. Yep – I self-medicated as I processed these events!

On Monday 9th November 2020, the ABC aired a Four Corners report that exposed deeply embedded misogyny at the highest levels of the Liberal / National Party Coalition. Called “Inside the Canberra Bubble”, it went to air despite numerous attempts by the government to suppress it.

What was our Prime Minister’s response?

Why did you only focus on the Coalition? This isn’t a party issue. Yep. What-about-ism. The “we’re not the only ones” argument. And feigned indignation that Malcom Turnbull’s Ministerial Code of Conduct was called a “bonk-ban”.
Let’s be honest. We all know the Liberal Party has a women problem. We’ve known for decades. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott reminded us, almost weekly, of his party’s opinion on the role of half the population in our society. And he is not the only one.

But apparently it took the courage of Brittany Higgins, a traumatised young woman and the thoughtfully crafted delivery of her message by Lisa Wilkinson, to “wake” Scott Morrison up.
Well actually. That’s not quite true, is it? It was that and a “chat to his wife”.

Brittany Higgins was a staffer of Defence Minister Linda Reynolds ministerial office. Brittany alleges the following:
One night weeks before the 2019 election she organised work drinks
She invited a male colleague
This colleague plied her with alcohol
She realised she was drunk and needed to go home
She accepted the alleged abusers offer to escort her
He diverted the taxi to parliament house citing a need to collect something from work
He took her through security to the private office of Minister Linda Reynolds
She passed out on the couch
She woke mid-rape
He left and she was found half naked by security

If this isn’t shocking enough, Brittnay’s telling of later events is soul destroying. From inaction of AFP immediately on scene, to subsequent interactions with senior staff “managing” this incredibly serious criminal complaint, the fall-out could only be described as a case-study in what not to do. In this day and age, and the vast wealth of education and information available, it is not a stretch to define ensuing actions as abject wilful negligence.

I’d go further. It was blatant protection of a political party’s reputation before an election over the safety and welfare of an individual; a young vulnerable disempowered female, sexually assaulted individual.

If you haven’t seen Lisa Wilkinsons interview, broadcast on The Project on Monday, I highly recommend you stop what you are doing, watch it now.

This story continues to unfold.

We started Tuesday with a Prime Minister that denies prior knowledge of the situation; a claim that is simply not credible considering the timing, proximity of senior staff involved and Morrison’s own conflicting statements on when his office was advised.

On Tuesday morning, Morrison said “Jenny and I spoke last night, and she said to me, “You have to think about this as a father first. What would you want to happen if it were our girls?” Jenny has a way of clarifying things, always has.”

I am sorry (not sorry), but it shouldn’t take a conversation with your wife, highlighting the fact that she and your daughters have vaginas that some men believe they can claim at will, to “clarify things”. Further, using the female members of your family in this manner more likely indicates you regard the fairer sex as chattel that can be referenced when a “women’s problem” crops up. As they regularly seem to in the Coalition sphere.
By lunchtime, Mr Morrison was casting doubt on Ms Higgins’ recollections of her contact with the Prime Minister’s fixer around the time of ABC’s report aired last November.

“That is not the recollection of the records of my staff on that matter – it’s just not – so I can’t really speak more to it than that,”

“I understand that over time, particularly in situations like this, that information can become confused over time about who makes contact and things like that. I accept that, I make no judgments about that.”

These comments may seem innocuous to many, and Mr Morrison himself may not realise (yeah right), but as victims of sexual assault will clearly attest, these statements are designed to undermine Ms Higgins. Or to put it another way, it’s gaslighting.

More is coming to light quickly. From use and availability of CCTV footage to the curiously-timed steam cleaning of the Minister in question’s office, Mr Morrison’s claims of ignorance and unintentional mismanagement by him, members of his party and staff are weak at best. The stench of criminal cover-up is strong.

Mr Morrison has implied he takes this situation incredibly seriously – but his actual words and actions do not back this up. In fact, the word ‘serious’ was not used once in reference to this assault during his press conference on Tuesday. That Mr Morrison has decided to use LNP resources, regardless of sex, to investigate is disingenuous at best, deflection at worst.

It is notable Mr Morrison has not made any commitments to change. All he’s committed to is the consideration of recommendations. In what is becoming a pattern, he stated “So I’m not going to rush to or any knee jerk reaction here. There is best practise in a lot of other jurisdictions, in a lot of other workplaces. And I would like them to look at that and carefully advise us about what the automatic response should be.
I will end on this note.

I am female.

I am constantly touched by men I don’t know. On the arm,waist, hair and bum. All uninvited. I am polite but distant so I don’t invite trouble. I am told to smile, cheer up, be nice and stop being a snob. I’m often informed I am rude or stand-offish. If I defend myself I’m over-reacting or called a bitch. I get lectured on why I am wrong.

I am hyper-conscious of my dress because I know what I wear could be interpreted as a message I don’t want to send. I watch what I drink and watch my drink (if you don’t understand this sentence, you don’t want to understand).
I watch how I stand and sit. I am not only conscious of my words but the tone of my voice.

I am aware of my surroundings all the time. I’m aware of where I walk and my posture while doing so. I don’t put my hair in a pigtail because it can be used against me. I am fearful of car parks and alleyways. I walk with my keys between my knuckles. I pay for taxis when I am a two minute walk from home. I have my phone on me all the time. I message friends when I get in and demand they do the same. I wear a ring on my wedding finger because a sign of ownership is my most powerful defense.

Every time I meet a man I have to wonder if he is dangerous. I cannot completely trust my male friends because statistically speaking they could become predatory when I am vulnerable.

I have to work twice as hard and be twice as good for half the reward. All while massaging fragile male egos without giving any impression I may be personally interested.

The list is endless and almost entirely unconscious. I do this without thinking, because I have been taught from birth, I own the criminal actions of men.

I am half the population but I am not afforded the right to move freely without constantly thinking about my safety and mitigating the risks.

I know if something happens to me the media and general population will not talk about my attacker. They will talk about me. They will analyse my entire life. Every. Single. Choice. I’ve. Made. Ever. Every choice I’ve made will be used against me to diminish the responsibility of my attacker.

I am female.

I am tired. And I know I am not alone.

Source The Shot

Prime Minister Scott Morrison at a press conference to answer sexual assault allegations made by staffer Brittany Higgins against a male staffer at Parliament House in Canberra, Tuesday, February 16, 2021. (AAP Image/Mick Tsikas)

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:34:32
From: dv
ID: 1700347
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Got to admire Higgins’ bravery. I’m sure this was difficult to go public with and it looks as though it is going to help several women and perhaps prevent others from facing a similar fate.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:38:09
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700348
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Rule 303 said:

It belittles us that some people are influenced by the same braying Hyena responses to valid criticisms that Trump fans used to such success. That the far-right media in Australia has normalised airhead responses, trivialised legitimate complaint, and relentlessly sought to distract attention from outrageous behaviour is predictable – That we do it to each other is a sure sign of abdication, of hopelessness of will, of abandonment of intent, and of surrender to cynicism.

I beg to differ.

Rev: Objecting to people saying that the trivial stuff is trivial just detracts from the serious stuff.
Me: I don’t think I did that. Or if I did, what I meant was they’re calling the serious stuff trivial.

Rev: It gives his supporters the chance to dismiss all criticism as being just Scomo Derangement Syndrome.
Me: Yep. Rhetoric. This is what I mean about so much of Trump’s success. It seems to work.

Rev: Then they can look through a list of 902 allegations, find one that is a bit questionable, and dismiss the whole lot.
Me: See ‘Association Fallacy’ mentioned above.

Rev: Of course it doesn’t really matter here, but it works in favour of the Libnats in the wider community.
Me: Yeah, the truth has always favoured the left.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:41:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700353
Subject: re: Aust Politics

maybe we should just flag what is more important as more important, and what is less important as less important, or indeed maybe even organise matters in order of importance that they may be addressed appropriately

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:42:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1700354
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:

Me: I don’t think I did that. Or if I did, what I meant was they’re calling the serious stuff trivial.

OK, I agree that calling serious stuff trivial is a bad thing.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:43:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700355
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


maybe we should just flag what is more important as more important, and what is less important as less important, or indeed maybe even organise matters in order of importance that they may be addressed appropriately

The order of priority seems to be determined by the party in power.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:45:22
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700356
Subject: re: Aust Politics

What is wrong with this picture?

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:47:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700357
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


What is wrong with this picture?


it’s being served by Facebook

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:48:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1700358
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


What is wrong with this picture?


It’s on Facebook?

I thought they weren’t allowing that stuff now?

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:48:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700359
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

maybe we should just flag what is more important as more important, and what is less important as less important, or indeed maybe even organise matters in order of importance that they may be addressed appropriately

The order of priority seems to be determined by the party in power.

so what we’re saying is, if we have a way of assigning importance to matters, then it enables us to compare assignments with those of other people, and in that comparison lies [/] truth, in that comparison we understand the agenda of the other

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:49:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700360
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


It’s on Facebook?

I thought they weren’t allowing that stuff now?

c’m‘on we can all agree to call a spade a spade

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:50:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1700361
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


It’s on Facebook?

I thought they weren’t allowing that stuff now?

c’m‘on we can all agree to call a spade a spade

I’m afraid I’m not sure what bloody shovel you are referring to.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:52:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1700363
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It’s on Facebook?

I thought they weren’t allowing that stuff now?

c’m‘on we can all agree to call a spade a spade

I’m afraid I’m not sure what bloody shovel you are referring to.

Wrote that without reading the image in full :)

(Still not sure what you are on about though).

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:52:35
From: buffy
ID: 1700364
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


What is wrong with this picture?


Disrespect for the flag.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:55:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700366
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


What is wrong with this picture?


the safety cap is still on the syringe.

Yes, I know how photo ops works.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:55:46
From: dv
ID: 1700368
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It’s on Facebook?

I thought they weren’t allowing that stuff now?

c’m‘on we can all agree to call a spade a spade

I’m afraid I’m not sure what bloody shovel you are referring to.

The Shovelis satire not news. Maybe the Murdoch press could say the same: “you didn’t think we were serious, did you?”

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:55:50
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700369
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


What is wrong with this picture?


I was all over this joke like 15 hours ago. I even phrased it topically in the ‘One small prick for a man’ luna landing allusion.

Damn Chaser boys better be payin’ me money, too.

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:56:25
From: transition
ID: 1700370
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

This is not going away easily.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/third-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-same-man-as-brittany-higgins/13177536

(I should have put this here, not in chat.)

but the bigger the difference in the number of fingers pointed at one individual and all the others, the easier it is to say, “their fault, not ours”

Yeah.

Except not dealing with it is clearly systemic and cultural.

I guess most sex is not a public thing to start with, having whatever in the news is a bit like people copulating anywhere, on the footpath middle of the day for example

I note also that the focus on whatever being systemic and cultural won’t lend much to human nature studies

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:56:43
From: dv
ID: 1700371
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


the safety cap is still on the syringe.

Yes, I know how photo ops works.

You’re a sharp eyed one

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Date: 22/02/2021 09:57:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700373
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


the safety cap is still on the syringe.

Yes, I know how photo ops works.

You’re a sharp eyed one

I cannot take the credit.

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Date: 22/02/2021 10:15:03
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700384
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


the safety cap is still on the syringe.

Yes, I know how photo ops works.

>squints<

Is that the 1/2” hypodermic? They really think they’re going to hit muscle with that?

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Date: 22/02/2021 10:16:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700385
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


the safety cap is still on the syringe.

Yes, I know how photo ops works.

>squints<

Is that the 1/2” hypodermic? They really think they’re going to hit muscle with that?

She’s pretending to push it deep.

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Date: 22/02/2021 10:18:06
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700387
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Rule 303 said:

JudgeMental said:

the safety cap is still on the syringe.

Yes, I know how photo ops works.

>squints<

Is that the 1/2” hypodermic? They really think they’re going to hit muscle with that?

She’s pretending to push it deep.

He.

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Date: 22/02/2021 10:25:04
From: Ian
ID: 1700388
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

shit don’t stick to Scotty.

It belittles us that some people are influenced by the same braying Hyena responses to valid criticisms that Trump fans used to such success. That the far-right media in Australia has normalised airhead responses, trivialised legitimate complaint, and relentlessly sought to distract attention from outrageous behaviour is predictable – That we do it to each other is a sure sign of abdication, of hopelessness of will, of abandonment of intent, and of surrender to cynicism.

I beg to differ.

Objecting to people saying that the trivial stuff is trivial just detracts from the serious stuff.

It gives his supporters the chance to dismiss all criticism as being just Scomo Derangement Syndrome.

Then they can look through a list of 902 allegations, find one that is a bit questionable, and dismiss the whole lot.

Of course it doesn’t really matter here, but it works in favour of the Libnats in the wider community.

I beg to differ.

This tiny forum, composed entirely of intellectuals and superior drivers, is a subset of “the wider community” with which opinions and attitudes may occasionally be exchanged.

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Date: 22/02/2021 10:27:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700389
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


What is wrong with this picture?


soooo this photo op.

Old Lady: Injected by female nurse/doc
PM: Injected by male nurse/doc
Old Lady: Neither wearing a mask
PM: Both wearing a mask even though they have all been together in close proximity for a while.
Old Lady: No “practice” run
PM: Safety on.
Old Lady rolled up sleeve.
PM: Went and changed shirt.

:-)

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Date: 22/02/2021 10:30:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700392
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


soooo this photo op.

Old Lady: Injected by female nurse/doc
PM: Injected by male nurse/doc
Old Lady: Neither wearing a mask
PM: Both wearing a mask even though they have all been together in close proximity for a while.
Old Lady: No “practice” run
PM: Safety on.
Old Lady rolled up sleeve.
PM: Went and changed shirt.

:-)

What a dick.

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Date: 22/02/2021 11:55:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700421
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Because Reynolds respected Higgins’ desire for privacy, Higgins went on after the election to work in another office. Let’s put some clarity on that. If someone had applied to work in my office and the story going around was that she had come, drunk, into a previous minister’s office at the weekend, late at night, with a man, I would have thought very carefully before offering them a job. “Possible powderkeg” are the words which would have come to mind.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/linda-reynolds-doesn-t-deserve-criticism-her-response-to-higgins-rape-claim-was-textbook-20210221-p574dd.html

Mandy Vanstone off the reservation.

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Date: 22/02/2021 11:59:55
From: party_pants
ID: 1700423
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Because Reynolds respected Higgins’ desire for privacy, Higgins went on after the election to work in another office. Let’s put some clarity on that. If someone had applied to work in my office and the story going around was that she had come, drunk, into a previous minister’s office at the weekend, late at night, with a man, I would have thought very carefully before offering them a job. “Possible powderkeg” are the words which would have come to mind.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/linda-reynolds-doesn-t-deserve-criticism-her-response-to-higgins-rape-claim-was-textbook-20210221-p574dd.html

Mandy Vanstone off the reservation.

I was just waiting for the victim blaming to start. Especially on the “after a night out” part of the story.

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Date: 22/02/2021 12:04:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700424
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Because Reynolds respected Higgins’ desire for privacy, Higgins went on after the election to work in another office. Let’s put some clarity on that. If someone had applied to work in my office and the story going around was that she had come, drunk, into a previous minister’s office at the weekend, late at night, with a man, I would have thought very carefully before offering them a job. “Possible powderkeg” are the words which would have come to mind.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/linda-reynolds-doesn-t-deserve-criticism-her-response-to-higgins-rape-claim-was-textbook-20210221-p574dd.html

Mandy Vanstone off the reservation.

I was just waiting for the victim blaming to start. Especially on the “after a night out” part of the story.

I thought that had already started?

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Date: 22/02/2021 12:06:31
From: party_pants
ID: 1700426
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Because Reynolds respected Higgins’ desire for privacy, Higgins went on after the election to work in another office. Let’s put some clarity on that. If someone had applied to work in my office and the story going around was that she had come, drunk, into a previous minister’s office at the weekend, late at night, with a man, I would have thought very carefully before offering them a job. “Possible powderkeg” are the words which would have come to mind.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/linda-reynolds-doesn-t-deserve-criticism-her-response-to-higgins-rape-claim-was-textbook-20210221-p574dd.html

Mandy Vanstone off the reservation.

I was just waiting for the victim blaming to start. Especially on the “after a night out” part of the story.

I thought that had already started?

Possibly. I haven’t been following the story like it’s a test match.

I did see news headlines of a third woman coming forward with further allegations about the same bloke.

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Date: 22/02/2021 12:08:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700427
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I was just waiting for the victim blaming to start. Especially on the “after a night out” part of the story.

I thought that had already started?

Possibly. I haven’t been following the story like it’s a test match.

I did see news headlines of a third woman coming forward with further allegations about the same bloke.

2016 and a younger woman.

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Date: 22/02/2021 12:09:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700428
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Because Reynolds respected Higgins’ desire for privacy, Higgins went on after the election to work in another office. Let’s put some clarity on that. If someone had applied to work in my office and the story going around was that she had come, drunk, into a previous minister’s office at the weekend, late at night, with a man, I would have thought very carefully before offering them a job. “Possible powderkeg” are the words which would have come to mind.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/linda-reynolds-doesn-t-deserve-criticism-her-response-to-higgins-rape-claim-was-textbook-20210221-p574dd.html

Mandy Vanstone off the reservation.

I was just waiting for the victim blaming to start. Especially on the “after a night out” part of the story.

I thought that had already started?

^

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Date: 22/02/2021 12:09:26
From: party_pants
ID: 1700429
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

I thought that had already started?

Possibly. I haven’t been following the story like it’s a test match.

I did see news headlines of a third woman coming forward with further allegations about the same bloke.

2016 and a younger woman.

it doesn’t sound like a great work environment this political staffing caper. Yet there are many desperate to get into it.

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Date: 22/02/2021 12:13:48
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700431
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Possibly. I haven’t been following the story like it’s a test match.

I did see news headlines of a third woman coming forward with further allegations about the same bloke.

2016 and a younger woman.

it doesn’t sound like a great work environment this political staffing caper. Yet there are many desperate to get into it.

Politics attracts alpha-males who might be inclined to treat female staffers with more altruistic motivations in a less than exemplary manner.

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Date: 22/02/2021 12:14:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700434
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

2016 and a younger woman.

it doesn’t sound like a great work environment this political staffing caper. Yet there are many desperate to get into it.

Politics attracts alpha-males who might be inclined to treat female staffers with more altruistic motivations in a less than exemplary manner.

Seems an accurate summation.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:04:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/government-escalates-facebook-feud-by-pulling-advertising/13177688

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:12:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/government-escalates-facebook-feud-by-pulling-advertising/13177688

  • The government will stop all advertising on Facebook while the platform blocks news for Australians
  • Over the course of a year, the move could cost Facebook more than $10 million in revenue
  • Google has reportedly spent more than $60 million on deals with news publishers, the kind of deals Facebook is seeking to avoid

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

I’m still confused by it all. I can’t share a link to a Guardian story or an ABC story that are free to view. Theoretically I have already paid for the ABC story. Facebook is required to pay to let me share a free story. I’m only sharing the link.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:17:59
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/government-escalates-facebook-feud-by-pulling-advertising/13177688

  • The government will stop all advertising on Facebook while the platform blocks news for Australians
  • Over the course of a year, the move could cost Facebook more than $10 million in revenue
  • Google has reportedly spent more than $60 million on deals with news publishers, the kind of deals Facebook is seeking to avoid

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

I’m still confused by it all. I can’t share a link to a Guardian story or an ABC story that are free to view. Theoretically I have already paid for the ABC story. Facebook is required to pay to let me share a free story. I’m only sharing the link.

Yes you are right that it seems to make no sense.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:22:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700471
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/government-escalates-facebook-feud-by-pulling-advertising/13177688

  • The government will stop all advertising on Facebook while the platform blocks news for Australians
  • Over the course of a year, the move could cost Facebook more than $10 million in revenue
  • Google has reportedly spent more than $60 million on deals with news publishers, the kind of deals Facebook is seeking to avoid

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

I’m still confused by it all. I can’t share a link to a Guardian story or an ABC story that are free to view. Theoretically I have already paid for the ABC story. Facebook is required to pay to let me share a free story. I’m only sharing the link.

Yes you are right that it seems to make no sense.

There is a new book at the library. Anyone who is interested should read it. It’s free to read at the library.
The library’s address is so and so street.

Enter book shop.
You’ll have to pay me if you’re going to allow people to talk about libraries.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:25:34
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1700472
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

There is a new book at the library. Anyone who is interested should read it. It’s free to read at the library.
The library’s address is so and so street.

Enter book shop.
You’ll have to pay me if you’re going to allow people to talk about libraries.

Every time* you borrow a library book, the author is paid.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:28:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700473
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


sarahs mum said:

There is a new book at the library. Anyone who is interested should read it. It’s free to read at the library.
The library’s address is so and so street.

Enter book shop.
You’ll have to pay me if you’re going to allow people to talk about libraries.

Every time* you borrow a library book, the author is paid.

  • Unless the book has been donated.

ah. So not a good analogy.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:30:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

There is a new book at the library. Anyone who is interested should read it. It’s free to read at the library.
The library’s address is so and so street.

Enter book shop.
You’ll have to pay me if you’re going to allow people to talk about libraries.

Every time* you borrow a library book, the author is paid.

  • Unless the book has been donated.

ah. So not a good analogy.

I’m still not sure why the link is worth the money and not the reading.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:32:05
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1700475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

Every time* you borrow a library book, the author is paid.

  • Unless the book has been donated.

ah. So not a good analogy.

I’m still not sure why the link is worth the money and not the reading.

Me neither, SM. I suppose it only makes sense to the person/s getting the money.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:43:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1700478
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

As i’ve said before, i believe that Facebook is digging in over who can tell it to do what.

Right now, Facebook operates pretty much as it pleases, anywhere it pleases. It avoids just about all attempts at regulation and it wholeheartedly avoids any attempts to get it to pay appropriate taxes on the earnings it make in any place it operates.

While Google may be willing to negotiate, Facebook is not. They fear that if they cave in on one occasion when a government says ‘you must pay’, then other govts will say ‘hey, we can do that too’.

And then they’ll start thinking about compelling Facebook to pay proper taxes. And that’s Facebook’s biggest fear.

Other nations’ govts are watching keenly to see how this turns out.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:47:47
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700480
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

As i’ve said before, i believe that Facebook is digging in over who can tell it to do what.

Right now, Facebook operates pretty much as it pleases, anywhere it pleases. It avoids just about all attempts at regulation and it wholeheartedly avoids any attempts to get it to pay appropriate taxes on the earnings it make in any place it operates.

While Google may be willing to negotiate, Facebook is not. They fear that if they cave in on one occasion when a government says ‘you must pay’, then other govts will say ‘hey, we can do that too’.

And then they’ll start thinking about compelling Facebook to pay proper taxes. And that’s Facebook’s biggest fear.

Other nations’ govts are watching keenly to see how this turns out.

To be fair i think we can separate the issues of the media bargaining code and other tax minimisation. It’s not like we’re the only country where multinationals minimise their taxes through complex financial chicanery.

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Date: 22/02/2021 13:53:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1700483
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:

To be fair i think we can separate the issues of the media bargaining code and other tax minimisation. It’s not like we’re the only country where multinationals minimise their taxes through complex financial chicanery.

Agreed, they should be separate issues, but i don’t think that Facebook sees it that way. They see the media matter as the thin edge of a wedge which would establish their obedience to the dictates of various governments.

I’m sure that Facebook could very easily afford the media deal, but they don’t want to establish a precedent of paying other people for what Facebook does, because the Tax Office is the next stop on that line, and that’s a station they don’t want to visit.

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Date: 22/02/2021 14:02:14
From: party_pants
ID: 1700491
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

As i’ve said before, i believe that Facebook is digging in over who can tell it to do what.

Right now, Facebook operates pretty much as it pleases, anywhere it pleases. It avoids just about all attempts at regulation and it wholeheartedly avoids any attempts to get it to pay appropriate taxes on the earnings it make in any place it operates.

While Google may be willing to negotiate, Facebook is not. They fear that if they cave in on one occasion when a government says ‘you must pay’, then other govts will say ‘hey, we can do that too’.

And then they’ll start thinking about compelling Facebook to pay proper taxes. And that’s Facebook’s biggest fear.

Other nations’ govts are watching keenly to see how this turns out.

It’s a bit like the tobacco plain packing thing. Other countries are waiting for someone else to go first.

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Date: 22/02/2021 15:39:08
From: dv
ID: 1700513
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

As i’ve said before, i believe that Facebook is digging in over who can tell it to do what.

Right now, Facebook operates pretty much as it pleases, anywhere it pleases. It avoids just about all attempts at regulation and it wholeheartedly avoids any attempts to get it to pay appropriate taxes on the earnings it make in any place it operates.

While Google may be willing to negotiate, Facebook is not. They fear that if they cave in on one occasion when a government says ‘you must pay’, then other govts will say ‘hey, we can do that too’.

And then they’ll start thinking about compelling Facebook to pay proper taxes. And that’s Facebook’s biggest fear.

Other nations’ govts are watching keenly to see how this turns out.

It’s a bit like the tobacco plain packing thing. Other countries are waiting for someone else to go first.

In fairness, the intrinsic situations are different as well. Google sometimes uses other people’s content without permission or payment so it “a case can be made” that they should pay for it. On Facebook, people voluntarily share stories, and media companies voluntarily host their own pages promoting their news items, at no cost to the people posting it.

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Date: 22/02/2021 15:47:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700516
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

drop $10M to keep $60M, seems a good deal

As i’ve said before, i believe that Facebook is digging in over who can tell it to do what.

Right now, Facebook operates pretty much as it pleases, anywhere it pleases. It avoids just about all attempts at regulation and it wholeheartedly avoids any attempts to get it to pay appropriate taxes on the earnings it make in any place it operates.

While Google may be willing to negotiate, Facebook is not. They fear that if they cave in on one occasion when a government says ‘you must pay’, then other govts will say ‘hey, we can do that too’.

And then they’ll start thinking about compelling Facebook to pay proper taxes. And that’s Facebook’s biggest fear.

Other nations’ govts are watching keenly to see how this turns out.

It’s a bit like the tobacco plain packing thing. Other countries are waiting for someone else to go first.

From the Victa upwards?

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Date: 22/02/2021 15:50:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:
It’s a bit like the tobacco plain packing thing. Other countries are waiting for someone else to go first.

From the Victa upwards?

eh¿

see how well that waiting for someone else thing worked with COVID-19

imagine if no New Zealand

would have been John Wyndham all the way

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Date: 22/02/2021 15:51:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700521
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

As i’ve said before, i believe that Facebook is digging in over who can tell it to do what.

Right now, Facebook operates pretty much as it pleases, anywhere it pleases. It avoids just about all attempts at regulation and it wholeheartedly avoids any attempts to get it to pay appropriate taxes on the earnings it make in any place it operates.

While Google may be willing to negotiate, Facebook is not. They fear that if they cave in on one occasion when a government says ‘you must pay’, then other govts will say ‘hey, we can do that too’.

And then they’ll start thinking about compelling Facebook to pay proper taxes. And that’s Facebook’s biggest fear.

Other nations’ govts are watching keenly to see how this turns out.

It’s a bit like the tobacco plain packing thing. Other countries are waiting for someone else to go first.

In fairness, the intrinsic situations are different as well. Google sometimes uses other people’s content without permission or payment so it “a case can be made” that they should pay for it. On Facebook, people voluntarily share stories, and media companies voluntarily host their own pages promoting their news items, at no cost to the people posting it.

I told the Citizen ans Seiko salesmen, that though I depend upon them for technical imformation to service their watches, I wasn’t gooing to pay to buy their tshirt and cap. That if they wanted me to e=wear their advertising, I’d expect at least sandwich sign wages.

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Date: 22/02/2021 16:09:14
From: dv
ID: 1700537
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The woman said this was completely uninvited and the incident made her angry.

She said it wasn’t the first time she received unwanted attention or advances from men she worked with at Parliament, and it wasn’t the last.

“By that time, I was just so used to sexual harassment I just brushed it off,” she said.


—-

Well that’s a bit sad right there.

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:05:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700583
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

What is wrong with this picture?


soooo this photo op.

Old Lady: Injected by female nurse/doc
PM: Injected by male nurse/doc
Old Lady: Neither wearing a mask
PM: Both wearing a mask even though they have all been together in close proximity for a while.
Old Lady: No “practice” run
PM: Safety on.

Apparently the hubs are colour coded for needle size. Orange is 25G

Old Lady rolled up sleeve.
PM: Went and changed shirt.

:-)

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:18:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700587
Subject: re: Aust Politics

what did Andrew Laming do today in Parliament?

this..

But also this..

Yes.. He trolled the NO Cashless Debit Card Australia Group on Facebook.
Until he was blocked.
But they screenshot it all.

Rowan Ramsay too.
What fun. let’s go and call the poor people sinners and criminals.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=708137953208687&ref=notif¬if_id=1613974787469114¬if_t=live_video

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:34:22
From: sibeen
ID: 1700590
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


what did Andrew Laming do today in Parliament?

this..

But also this..

Yes.. He trolled the NO Cashless Debit Card Australia Group on Facebook.
Until he was blocked.
But they screenshot it all.

Rowan Ramsay too.
What fun. let’s go and call the poor people sinners and criminals.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=708137953208687&ref=notif¬if_id=1613974787469114¬if_t=live_video

I’ll admit to not having heard of Laming before, or if I had I’d forgotten. Reading his wiki page it seems he’s chock full of contradictions to an outside viewer.

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:36:14
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1700591
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:42:54
From: party_pants
ID: 1700593
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dark Orange said:



bit harsh

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:46:13
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700596
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/pretty-dark-culture-sydney-boys-school-heads-express-regret-over-rape-claims-20210222-p574pr.html

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:46:23
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1700597
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:49:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700598
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Dark Orange said:


bit harsh

yeah it’s not like Labor do doughnuts either

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:53:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700599
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:


bit harsh

yeah it’s not like Labor do doughnuts either

I find this unhelpful but we will keep score if you insist.

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:57:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700600
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

bit harsh

yeah it’s not like Labor do doughnuts either

I find this unhelpful but we will keep score if you insist.

oh it’s all unhelpful but if we were a political party we’d be wanting to make sure our indiscretion rate was much much lower than the other team’s, so low it’s at zero preferably

but in terms of owning up to it then there was some problem, better to plead early

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Date: 22/02/2021 18:59:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700601
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



“And Mr. Morrison blamed the victim”
I cant find any evidence that Mr. Morrison blamed the alleged victim.

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Date: 22/02/2021 19:00:32
From: Michael V
ID: 1700602
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



Go Penny!

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Date: 22/02/2021 19:05:18
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1700603
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah it’s not like Labor do doughnuts either

I find this unhelpful but we will keep score if you insist.

oh it’s all unhelpful but if we were a political party we’d be wanting to make sure our indiscretion rate was much much lower than the other team’s, so low it’s at zero preferably

but in terms of owning up to it then there was some problem, better to plead early

I liked the satire, and the implication that there are more cases yet to be found once contact tracing gets underway.

But maybe that’s just me.

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Date: 22/02/2021 19:07:05
From: Michael V
ID: 1700604
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg moves to permanently ‘water down’ ASX continuous disclosure rules.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/continuous-disclosure-laws-watered-down-permanently/13163854

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Date: 22/02/2021 19:08:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1700606
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:

Dark Orange said:


bit harsh

yeah it’s not like Labor do doughnuts either

No, I meant linking the Liberal party to to the private school boys is a bit harsh. There is probably not a direct one-to-one correlation.

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Date: 22/02/2021 19:13:02
From: transition
ID: 1700607
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



read that and wondered if anything of human behavior wasn’t determined by culture, in fact I was so momentarily distracted by the force of the idea it left me wondered if perhaps it was an argument for so much more being determined by culture, that it ought be, that the reader should be suitably lost for a moment and absorb the idea to correct the confusion

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Date: 22/02/2021 19:13:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1700608
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



A government where the only crime is getting caught.

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Date: 22/02/2021 19:13:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700609
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

bit harsh

yeah it’s not like Labor do doughnuts either

No, I meant linking the Liberal party to to the private school boys is a bit harsh. There is probably not a direct one-to-one correlation.

Aye, some of them will be National Party.

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Date: 22/02/2021 21:43:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700714
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Thre is no such thing as an income manager.

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Date: 22/02/2021 21:51:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700715
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Thre is no such thing as an income manager.


🚨👉He is still going – speaking of the CDC:
“ This has to do with ensuring people who receive welfare do not fall into temptation.”
- Andrew Lamming to Maree C in messenger

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Date: 22/02/2021 21:54:34
From: sibeen
ID: 1700716
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Thre is no such thing as an income manager.


The bloke is obviously intelligent, you don’t get to be where he is and have the qualifications he has without being quite bright, but I suspect that he’s had a silver spoon stuck well up his fundamental since birth and really has no idea how someone on struggle street lives. Which is strange with all the work he’s apparently done with aboriginals in the territory and such.

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Date: 22/02/2021 21:55:21
From: sibeen
ID: 1700717
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

Thre is no such thing as an income manager.


🚨👉He is still going – speaking of the CDC:
“ This has to do with ensuring people who receive welfare do not fall into temptation.”
- Andrew Lamming to Maree C in messenger

Lead us not into temptation
and deliver us from evil

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Date: 22/02/2021 21:58:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1700719
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

Thre is no such thing as an income manager.


The bloke is obviously intelligent, you don’t get to be where he is and have the qualifications he has without being quite bright, but I suspect that he’s had a silver spoon stuck well up his fundamental since birth and really has no idea how someone on struggle street lives. Which is strange with all the work he’s apparently done with aboriginals in the territory and such.

He is on record for saying some pretty awful stuff about aborigines for someone who apparently has done that work with aborigines.

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Date: 22/02/2021 21:58:33
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700720
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-driving-the-frostiness-between-australia-and-new-zealand-20210222-p574je.html

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:19:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700749
Subject: re: Aust Politics

appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:31:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700752
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

c’m‘on, don’t tease, tell us, in what way

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:31:07
From: Michael V
ID: 1700753
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

Ref?

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:34:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700757
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

c’m‘on, don’t tease, tell us, in what way

Dunno but they hadn’t been touched since jan 2018.

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:34:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700758
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

Ref?

a FB friend.

:-)

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:35:24
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1700760
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

c’m‘on, don’t tease, tell us, in what way

Deleted.

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:36:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1700762
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

c’m‘on, don’t tease, tell us, in what way

Deleted.

Deleted?

Altered to be favourable?

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:41:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1700765
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

Ref?

a FB friend.

:-)

Oh, great.

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:41:52
From: transition
ID: 1700767
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Thre is no such thing as an income manager.


The bloke is obviously intelligent, you don’t get to be where he is and have the qualifications he has without being quite bright, but I suspect that he’s had a silver spoon stuck well up his fundamental since birth and really has no idea how someone on struggle street lives. Which is strange with all the work he’s apparently done with aboriginals in the territory and such.

He is on record for saying some pretty awful stuff about aborigines for someone who apparently has done that work with aborigines.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Employment_Education_and_Training/TeachingProfessionNew/Report/section?id=committees%2freportrep%2f024385%2f72226
just read that^

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:42:44
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1700769
Subject: re: Aust Politics

there is some thunder in the night sky.

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Date: 22/02/2021 23:42:45
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1700770
Subject: re: Aust Politics

there is some thunder in the night sky.

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Date: 23/02/2021 05:47:46
From: transition
ID: 1700802
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-driving-the-frostiness-between-australia-and-new-zealand-20210222-p574je.html

read that earlier, just skimmed it again

NZ PM exhibits maternal tendencies i’d reckon, healthy maternal empathy, it could be that a natural human was elevated to the top job of responsibilities for the country, over there

of course anything paternal might not seem quite as attractive while that’s working so well

make of that what you will

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Date: 23/02/2021 09:47:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700836
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-23/brittany-higgins-sexual-assault-fourth-allegation-parliament/13178072

The Brittany Higgins allegations have unearthed fury among women staffers and politicians

These women are intelligent, hard-working, politically savvy. But it is so hard to get them to speak up publicly — and that’s why it takes such bravery to be Brittany Higgins or the other women we spoke to for our program.

There is a huge and, before now, untapped fury among these women staffers and politicians.

The alleged perpetrators are not confined to the Coalition side of the chamber — although in my experience speaking to dozens of politicians and staffers from across the chamber, I have heard far fewer complaints on the other side.

Even if the staffers involved didn’t think this grave allegation was enough to trouble the Prime Minister’s weekend, that demonstrates a culture of “don’t ask, don’t tell” in the Prime Minister’s office about grave matters affecting women.

No Need To Worry, Remember “Me Too” / “March for Our Lives” / “Global Week for Future” / “Black Lives Matter” And Oh Wait You Hardly Do Because That All Settled Down Pretty Quickly Afterwards

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Date: 23/02/2021 09:50:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1700837
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Everyone seems to know who this alleged rapist is, except me.
When will he be charged with his alleged crimes?

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Date: 23/02/2021 09:51:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700840
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Everyone seems to know who this alleged rapist is, except me.
When will he be charged with his alleged crimes?

maybe he can use the Nuremberg defense and we can get Marketing charged won’t that be a laugh

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:48:42
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700879
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:50:23
From: party_pants
ID: 1700881
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

does that mean we’ve got a bung Parliament?

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:51:48
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1700883
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Wow! He was under a lot of pressure from a lot of people calling him out on the bullshit he was posting.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:51:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700884
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

does that mean we’ve got a bung Parliament?

I think the Coalition is still 1up.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:52:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700885
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Wow! He was under a lot of pressure from a lot of people calling him out on the bullshit he was posting.

Quit the party not parliament. He will sit on the cross-bench.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:53:47
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1700886
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Wow! He was under a lot of pressure from a lot of people calling him out on the bullshit he was posting.

Quit the party not parliament. He will sit on the cross-bench.

Yeah I figured. Hopefully he’ll do very poorly in the next election.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:53:58
From: sibeen
ID: 1700887
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

I expect there is a lot of cheering within the libs.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:54:06
From: Tamb
ID: 1700888
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

does that mean we’ve got a bung Parliament?


Do you mean this Bung?

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:55:07
From: sibeen
ID: 1700889
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

Wow! He was under a lot of pressure from a lot of people calling him out on the bullshit he was posting.

Quit the party not parliament. He will sit on the cross-bench.

Yeah I figured. Hopefully he’ll do very poorly in the next election.

He won’t be the liberal party candidate.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:57:29
From: Tamb
ID: 1700891
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Quit the party not parliament. He will sit on the cross-bench.

Yeah I figured. Hopefully he’ll do very poorly in the next election.

He won’t be the liberal party candidate.


He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:58:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700892
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

appears the rapist’s records at parliament have been edited, starting on the 9th feb.

c’m‘on, don’t tease, tell us, in what way

Deleted.

another FB friend.

I think it ‘mazing ……… we leave so much footprint on the internet but strangely , in one week , almost every trace of a person can be erased from FB , Instagram . YT , government websites
For example , Bruce Lehrmann ……. advisor to Greg Hunt , George Brandis & Linda Reynolds ; colleague of Alex Hawke

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:58:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700893
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Goodo.

I assume he’ll start up some Australian Nazi Conspiracy Nuts Party.

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Date: 23/02/2021 11:59:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700894
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

does that mean we’ve got a bung Parliament?


Do you mean this Bung?

Is the wizard still going?
What a great cast?

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:00:58
From: party_pants
ID: 1700895
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

does that mean we’ve got a bung Parliament?


Do you mean this Bung?

np

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:02:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1700896
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

c’m‘on, don’t tease, tell us, in what way

Deleted.

another FB friend.

I think it ‘mazing ……… we leave so much footprint on the internet but strangely , in one week , almost every trace of a person can be erased from FB , Instagram . YT , government websites
For example , Bruce Lehrmann ……. advisor to Greg Hunt , George Brandis & Linda Reynolds ; colleague of Alex Hawke

The name still has quite a few hits on Bingoogle though.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:03:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700898
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Deleted.

another FB friend.

I think it ‘mazing ……… we leave so much footprint on the internet but strangely , in one week , almost every trace of a person can be erased from FB , Instagram . YT , government websites
For example , Bruce Lehrmann ……. advisor to Greg Hunt , George Brandis & Linda Reynolds ; colleague of Alex Hawke

The name still has quite a few hits on Bingoogle though.

of course, he hasn’t disappeared, just certain segments of his online presence has gone.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:04:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700899
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Deleted.

another FB friend.

I think it ‘mazing ……… we leave so much footprint on the internet but strangely , in one week , almost every trace of a person can be erased from FB , Instagram . YT , government websites
For example , Bruce Lehrmann ……. advisor to Greg Hunt , George Brandis & Linda Reynolds ; colleague of Alex Hawke

The name still has quite a few hits on Bingoogle though.

is it Cancel Culture if right wing terrorists do it to themselves

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:04:54
From: Tamb
ID: 1700900
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Tamb said:

party_pants said:

does that mean we’ve got a bung Parliament?


Do you mean this Bung?

Is the wizard still going?
What a great cast?

Mick Mastroianni took over after Johnny Hart died. AFAIK it’s still going.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:07:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1700901
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Do you mean this Bung?

Is the wizard still going?
What a great cast?

Mick Mastroianni took over after Johnny Hart died. AFAIK it’s still going.

I don’t know if an Irish Wog will be up to it.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:08:30
From: Tamb
ID: 1700902
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Is the wizard still going?
What a great cast?

Mick Mastroianni took over after Johnny Hart died. AFAIK it’s still going.

I don’t know if an Irish Wog will be up to it.


I’d keep going on this but it would lead us badly off topic.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:10:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700904
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

does that mean we’ve got a bung Parliament?

I think the Coalition is still 1up.

The move will mean the government will now have a one-seat majority in the House of Representatives, but will have to provide a Speaker — currently Tony Smith — who oversees the chamber.

That means the government has 75 seats out of 151, sitting on their benches, one less than is needed for an outright majority.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-23/craig-kelly-quits-liberal-party/13182994

if you believe those communists

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:23:15
From: dv
ID: 1700911
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I dare say the Libs are better off without Kelly.

It’s a plum seat so I imagine there will be quite a fierce preselection battle.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:27:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1700918
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Good.

Pushed?

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:30:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1700921
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Good.

Pushed?

I imagine there was internal Liberal Party moves to challenge his preselection so he might have seen the writing on the wall and jumped.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:33:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1700926
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Good.

Pushed?

Imagine so.

Or maybe he suddenly realised that his views are not mainstream even within the party, and they were actively trying to marginalise him. So his future in the party is dead, along with his career.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:33:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1700928
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I dare say the Libs are better off without Kelly.

It’s a plum seat so I imagine there will be quite a fierce preselection battle.

yes we did wonder if it was just another one of the staged moults on their incomplete metamorphosis path to Australian Republicanism

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:38:31
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1700932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

doesn’t really change anything for the broad public.. not as if he is going to vote against the govt on anything..

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:52:44
From: Woodie
ID: 1700946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly has quit the Libs.

Good.

Pushed?

Imagine so.

Or maybe he suddenly realised that his views are not mainstream even within the party, and they were actively trying to marginalise him. So his future in the party is dead, along with his career.

Pauline Hanson has his number on speed dial by now, methinks.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:53:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1700949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Good.

Pushed?

Imagine so.

Or maybe he suddenly realised that his views are not mainstream even within the party, and they were actively trying to marginalise him. So his future in the party is dead, along with his career.

Pauline Hanson has his number on speed dial by now, methinks.

probably fat Clive too.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:57:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700955
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Imagine so.

Or maybe he suddenly realised that his views are not mainstream even within the party, and they were actively trying to marginalise him. So his future in the party is dead, along with his career.

Pauline Hanson has his number on speed dial by now, methinks.

probably fat Clive too.

He might be fantasising about his young mate Pete getting a Senate seat, and them forming a new Weirdo Party together.

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Date: 23/02/2021 12:59:33
From: Neophyte
ID: 1700960
Subject: re: Aust Politics

He can always join Pete Evans in the Great Australia Party…

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Date: 23/02/2021 13:05:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1700965
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Surprisingly, George has gone all long-hair & beardy:

George Christensen’s ‘nonsensical’ abortion proposal could penalise doctors up to $440,000

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/23/george-christensens-nonsensical-abortion-proposal-could-penalise-doctors-up-to-44000

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Date: 23/02/2021 13:17:35
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700974
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


sibeen said:

Spiny Norman said:

Yeah I figured. Hopefully he’ll do very poorly in the next election.

He won’t be the liberal party candidate.


He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

He’ll be able sit there and say whatever he likes for another two years, and the government will be forced to bargain with him. It’s genius from his POV.

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Date: 23/02/2021 13:20:10
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

c’m‘on, don’t tease, tell us, in what way

Deleted.

another FB friend.

I think it ‘mazing ……… we leave so much footprint on the internet but strangely , in one week , almost every trace of a person can be erased from FB , Instagram . YT , government websites
For example , Bruce Lehrmann ……. advisor to Greg Hunt , George Brandis & Linda Reynolds ; colleague of Alex Hawke

He’s been reported as the bloke across the Internets for the last couple of days.

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Date: 23/02/2021 13:25:34
From: sibeen
ID: 1700980
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Tamb said:

sibeen said:

He won’t be the liberal party candidate.


He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

He’ll be able sit there and say whatever he likes for another two years, and the government will be forced to bargain with him. It’s genius from his POV.

Fuck, if he can do that for another two years he will be a genius, especially as there’ll be an election well before then.

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Date: 23/02/2021 13:33:41
From: Rule 303
ID: 1700987
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

Tamb said:

He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

He’ll be able sit there and say whatever he likes for another two years, and the government will be forced to bargain with him. It’s genius from his POV.

Fuck, if he can do that for another two years he will be a genius, especially as there’ll be an election well before then.

Must be held by 3 September 2022, I think.

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:12:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700995
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


JudgeMental said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Deleted.

another FB friend.

I think it ‘mazing ……… we leave so much footprint on the internet but strangely , in one week , almost every trace of a person can be erased from FB , Instagram . YT , government websites
For example , Bruce Lehrmann ……. advisor to Greg Hunt , George Brandis & Linda Reynolds ; colleague of Alex Hawke

He’s been reported as the bloke across the Internets for the last couple of days.

… in one week , almost every trace of a person can be erased from FB , Instagram . YT , government websites…

as i said earlier, he hasn’t disappeared…

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:17:14
From: dv
ID: 1700996
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:

He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

If you leave a major party and run as an independent in the Aust House of Reps, you lose your seat at the next election.
The only successful independents are those who originally won their seat as an independent.

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:22:51
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1700997
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so $50 a fortnight raise in Jobseeker after the supplement finishes.

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:24:50
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1700999
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

Tamb said:

He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

If you leave a major party and run as an independent in the Aust House of Reps, you lose your seat at the next election.
The only successful independents are those who originally won their seat as an independent.

except BobKat

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:29:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701003
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

He’ll be able sit there and say whatever he likes for another two years, and the government will be forced to bargain with him. It’s genius from his POV.

Fuck, if he can do that for another two years he will be a genius, especially as there’ll be an election well before then.

Must be held by 3 September 2022, I think.

Everything has pointed to them going early at the end of this year.

Of course if they keep on f’ing up they will not go early.

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:30:34
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701004
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

Tamb said:

He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

If you leave a major party and run as an independent in the Aust House of Reps, you lose your seat at the next election.
The only successful independents are those who originally won their seat as an independent.

I am confused. Is there a ref you could give to help me out?

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:37:03
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1701005
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Fuck, if he can do that for another two years he will be a genius, especially as there’ll be an election well before then.

Must be held by 3 September 2022, I think.

Everything has pointed to them going early at the end of this year.

Of course if they keep on f’ing up they will not go early.

The earliest we can have a “common” joint HoR and 1/2 Senate election is 7th Aug 2021. The latest this can happen is 21st May 2022.

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:46:19
From: Tamb
ID: 1701007
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

Must be held by 3 September 2022, I think.

Everything has pointed to them going early at the end of this year.

Of course if they keep on f’ing up they will not go early.

The earliest we can have a “common” joint HoR and 1/2 Senate election is 7th Aug 2021. The latest this can happen is 21st May 2022.


IMO there’s much to be said for fixed terms.

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Date: 23/02/2021 14:50:26
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1701008
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

Everything has pointed to them going early at the end of this year.

Of course if they keep on f’ing up they will not go early.

The earliest we can have a “common” joint HoR and 1/2 Senate election is 7th Aug 2021. The latest this can happen is 21st May 2022.


IMO there’s much to be said for fixed terms.

yeah.. really came up trumps for the UK

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:02:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1701010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

Everything has pointed to them going early at the end of this year.

Of course if they keep on f’ing up they will not go early.

The earliest we can have a “common” joint HoR and 1/2 Senate election is 7th Aug 2021. The latest this can happen is 21st May 2022.


IMO there’s much to be said for fixed terms.

I think they’re fixed in Russia.

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:03:32
From: Tamb
ID: 1701011
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Tamb said:

diddly-squat said:

The earliest we can have a “common” joint HoR and 1/2 Senate election is 7th Aug 2021. The latest this can happen is 21st May 2022.


IMO there’s much to be said for fixed terms.

I think they’re fixed in Russia.


In Russia it’s the results which are fixed.

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:07:16
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1701014
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

IMO there’s much to be said for fixed terms.

I think they’re fixed in Russia.


In Russia it’s the results which are fixed.

Permanently fixed, and on their terms.

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:08:46
From: Tamb
ID: 1701015
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think they’re fixed in Russia.


In Russia it’s the results which are fixed.

Permanently fixed, and on their terms.


In the USSR voting was compulsory & often there was only one candidate.

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:08:47
From: party_pants
ID: 1701016
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

IMO there’s much to be said for fixed terms.

I think they’re fixed in Russia.


In Russia it’s the results which are fixed.

lol :)

nice on centurion

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:08:51
From: Rule 303
ID: 1701017
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

Must be held by 3 September 2022, I think.

Everything has pointed to them going early at the end of this year.

Of course if they keep on f’ing up they will not go early.

The earliest we can have a “common” joint HoR and 1/2 Senate election is 7th Aug 2021. The latest this can happen is 21st May 2022.

I’m pleased that it’s so uncontroversial that he will say whatever he likes and the government will be forced to bargain with him.

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:10:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1701018
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

IMO there’s much to be said for fixed terms.

I think they’re fixed in Russia.


In Russia it’s the results which are fixed.

:)

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:14:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1701019
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

Everything has pointed to them going early at the end of this year.

Of course if they keep on f’ing up they will not go early.

The earliest we can have a “common” joint HoR and 1/2 Senate election is 7th Aug 2021. The latest this can happen is 21st May 2022.

I’m pleased that it’s so uncontroversial that he will say whatever he likes and the government will be forced to bargain with him.

they can bargain with the ALP and get bi-partisan support on stuff.

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Date: 23/02/2021 15:29:44
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701023
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Tamb said:

He will be the incumbent and that seems to carry a lot of weight in Oz politics.

If you leave a major party and run as an independent in the Aust House of Reps, you lose your seat at the next election.
The only successful independents are those who originally won their seat as an independent.

I am confused. Is there a ref you could give to help me out?

As in I am unsure what sort of point you are trying to make so I’m asking in case I’m missing something.

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Date: 23/02/2021 16:24:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701044
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Liberal Party HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8QdF6veHuI

I might buy the tshirt.

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:16:08
From: dv
ID: 1701066
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This is the transcript on the ww.pm.gov.au website

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:21:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701072
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Liberal Party HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8QdF6veHuI

I might buy the knives.

needs more of a sales voice, something like https://youtu.be/iiATDMHU7gc?t=44 should cover it

the goods being advertised quite appropriate for the political market too

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:25:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1701076
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


This is the transcript on the ww.pm.gov.au website

Will he come back to say something after making the international call?

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:27:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701079
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

This is the transcript on the ww.pm.gov.au website

Will he come back to say something after making the international call?

He’ll have nothing further to say on the Higgins matter until he’s had another briefing from his wife.

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:28:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701081
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

This is the transcript on the ww.pm.gov.au website

Will he come back to say something after making the international call?

he’ll repeat the advice he’s getting from Citizen Trump on how to keep the party afloat after grabbing them by the purulent

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:33:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701087
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


This is the transcript on the ww.pm.gov.au website

I can see clearly in this gaslight. looks around

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:34:44
From: dv
ID: 1701089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

If you leave a major party and run as an independent in the Aust House of Reps, you lose your seat at the next election.
The only successful independents are those who originally won their seat as an independent.

I am confused. Is there a ref you could give to help me out?

As in I am unsure what sort of point you are trying to make so I’m asking in case I’m missing something.

Tamb is saying that Kelly will carry a lot of weight as an incumbent.

I’m saying, no he won’t. MPs who leave major parties to run as indeoendents in the Australian HOR invariably lose the subsequent election. We saw it most recently with Jensen and Banks, Thompson and Slipper. Before that we had Michael Johnson, Peter King, Andrew Theophanous. You have to go back to the 2nd millennium AD to find counterexamples. Kelly is done.

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:37:49
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701092
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I am confused. Is there a ref you could give to help me out?

As in I am unsure what sort of point you are trying to make so I’m asking in case I’m missing something.

Tamb is saying that Kelly will carry a lot of weight as an incumbent.

I’m saying, no he won’t. MPs who leave major parties to run as indeoendents in the Australian HOR invariably lose the subsequent election. We saw it most recently with Jensen and Banks, Thompson and Slipper. Before that we had Michael Johnson, Peter King, Andrew Theophanous. You have to go back to the 2nd millennium AD to find counterexamples. Kelly is done.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:38:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701093
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

Liberal Party HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8QdF6veHuI

I might buy the knives.

needs more of a sales voice, something like https://youtu.be/iiATDMHU7gc?t=44 should cover it

the goods being advertised quite appropriate for the political market too

Yeah. *sigh

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:40:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701094
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I am confused. Is there a ref you could give to help me out?

As in I am unsure what sort of point you are trying to make so I’m asking in case I’m missing something.

Tamb is saying that Kelly will carry a lot of weight as an incumbent.

I’m saying, no he won’t. MPs who leave major parties to run as indeoendents in the Australian HOR invariably lose the subsequent election. We saw it most recently with Jensen and Banks, Thompson and Slipper. Before that we had Michael Johnson, Peter King, Andrew Theophanous. You have to go back to the 2nd millennium AD to find counterexamples. Kelly is done.

I’d imagine he’s been losing voter support in recent months anyway. Even most conservatives don’t warm to Covid misinformation spreaders and that’s basically all he seems to do these days.

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:44:42
From: dv
ID: 1701099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 23/02/2021 17:45:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701100
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

As in I am unsure what sort of point you are trying to make so I’m asking in case I’m missing something.

Tamb is saying that Kelly will carry a lot of weight as an incumbent.

I’m saying, no he won’t. MPs who leave major parties to run as indeoendents in the Australian HOR invariably lose the subsequent election. We saw it most recently with Jensen and Banks, Thompson and Slipper. Before that we had Michael Johnson, Peter King, Andrew Theophanous. You have to go back to the 2nd millennium AD to find counterexamples. Kelly is done.

I’d imagine he’s been losing voter support in recent months anyway. Even most conservatives don’t warm to Covid misinformation spreaders and that’s basically all he seems to do these days.

He does have a big idiot following on social media. But I wouldn’t think they awere all in his electorate by a long shot.

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Date: 23/02/2021 19:05:47
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701145
Subject: re: Aust Politics

McKenzie, Dutton put democracy at risk with actions that reek of playing politics with public money
Tony Harris

February 23, 2021 — 11.39am

On Friday, the Commonwealth Auditor-General, Grant Hehir, gave evidence to the Public Accounts and Audit Committee of Parliament that the government’s $6.4 million cut in his budget would mean reduced audits. This was not regrettable news to the Morrison government.

Among its members are MPs who appear to have shown a level of disregard for what were once accepted standards of accountability and probity that can only be described as brazen.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/mckenzie-dutton-put-democracy-at-risk-with-actions-that-reek-of-playing-politics-with-public-money-20210215-p572rw.html

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Date: 23/02/2021 19:43:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701151
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:

McKenzie, Dutton put democracy at risk with actions that reek of playing politics with public money
Tony Harris

February 23, 2021 — 11.39am

On Friday, the Commonwealth Auditor-General, Grant Hehir, gave evidence to the Public Accounts and Audit Committee of Parliament that the government’s $6.4 million cut in his budget would mean reduced audits. This was not regrettable news to the Morrison government.

Among its members are MPs who appear to have shown a level of disregard for what were once accepted standards of accountability and probity that can only be described as brazen.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/mckenzie-dutton-put-democracy-at-risk-with-actions-that-reek-of-playing-politics-with-public-money-20210215-p572rw.html

oh don’t get us wrong, should Labor ever manage to rig / steal / storm the election back they won’t exactly be clambering quickly to increase accountability themselves

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Date: 23/02/2021 19:47:10
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701155
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

McKenzie, Dutton put democracy at risk with actions that reek of playing politics with public money
Tony Harris

February 23, 2021 — 11.39am

On Friday, the Commonwealth Auditor-General, Grant Hehir, gave evidence to the Public Accounts and Audit Committee of Parliament that the government’s $6.4 million cut in his budget would mean reduced audits. This was not regrettable news to the Morrison government.

Among its members are MPs who appear to have shown a level of disregard for what were once accepted standards of accountability and probity that can only be described as brazen.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/mckenzie-dutton-put-democracy-at-risk-with-actions-that-reek-of-playing-politics-with-public-money-20210215-p572rw.html

oh don’t get us wrong, should Labor ever manage to rig / steal / storm the election back they won’t exactly be clambering quickly to increase accountability themselves

They might. John Howard in 1996 campaigned on restoring accountability to government so there’s a chance that Labor will highlight the Coalition’s malfeasance in the run up to the next election.

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Date: 23/02/2021 20:10:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701159
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

McKenzie, Dutton put democracy at risk with actions that reek of playing politics with public money
Tony Harris

February 23, 2021 — 11.39am

On Friday, the Commonwealth Auditor-General, Grant Hehir, gave evidence to the Public Accounts and Audit Committee of Parliament that the government’s $6.4 million cut in his budget would mean reduced audits. This was not regrettable news to the Morrison government.

Among its members are MPs who appear to have shown a level of disregard for what were once accepted standards of accountability and probity that can only be described as brazen.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/mckenzie-dutton-put-democracy-at-risk-with-actions-that-reek-of-playing-politics-with-public-money-20210215-p572rw.html

oh don’t get us wrong, should Labor ever manage to rig / steal / storm the election back they won’t exactly be clambering quickly to increase accountability themselves

They might. John Howard in 1996 campaigned on restoring accountability to government so there’s a chance that Labor will highlight the Coalition’s malfeasance in the run up to the next election.

not holding our breaths but that’d be nice to see

it’s really just the same old drain the swamp COVID-19 will disappear strategy we guess, the current Liberal government is less corrupt than any ever before because if you test more you find more cases

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Date: 23/02/2021 20:15:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701160
Subject: re: Aust Politics

*hic*

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Date: 23/02/2021 20:17:04
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701161
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

oh don’t get us wrong, should Labor ever manage to rig / steal / storm the election back they won’t exactly be clambering quickly to increase accountability themselves

They might. John Howard in 1996 campaigned on restoring accountability to government so there’s a chance that Labor will highlight the Coalition’s malfeasance in the run up to the next election.

not holding our breaths but that’d be nice to see

it’s really just the same old drain the swamp COVID-19 will disappear strategy we guess, the current Liberal government is less corrupt than any ever before because if you test more you find more cases

What we need is a federal ICAC to get things rolling.

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Date: 23/02/2021 20:20:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

They might. John Howard in 1996 campaigned on restoring accountability to government so there’s a chance that Labor will highlight the Coalition’s malfeasance in the run up to the next election.

not holding our breaths but that’d be nice to see

it’s really just the same old drain the swamp COVID-19 will disappear strategy we guess, the current Liberal government is less corrupt than any ever before because if you test more you find more cases

What we need is a federal ICAC to get things rolling.

serious question, do these things have retrospective jurisdiction or is it all clear for the current lot

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Date: 23/02/2021 20:27:47
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

not holding our breaths but that’d be nice to see

it’s really just the same old drain the swamp COVID-19 will disappear strategy we guess, the current Liberal government is less corrupt than any ever before because if you test more you find more cases

What we need is a federal ICAC to get things rolling.

serious question, do these things have retrospective jurisdiction or is it all clear for the current lot

That would depend on the legislation.

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Date: 23/02/2021 23:40:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701233
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/23/morrisons-meagre-jobseeker-rise-is-a-political-fix-that-only-tightens-the-screws-on-the-unemployed

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Date: 24/02/2021 12:19:05
From: dv
ID: 1701441
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/02/2021 12:19:37
From: dv
ID: 1701442
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I have no idea whether this is true

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Date: 24/02/2021 12:23:17
From: Cymek
ID: 1701444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Tron Legacy was their best work I think

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:06:22
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701467
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:07:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701468
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:08:13
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1701470
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



And people wonder why sexual assault victims stay silent.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:10:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701473
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



If Linda Reynolds was a bloke being thrown under a bus under the same circumstances, I wonder if the MFWs would leap to his defence.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:10:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



Is that like Dutton refusing to say whether he has done his job?

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:11:35
From: party_pants
ID: 1701476
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



As minister for defence she needs to be kicking French and British heads to make sure the contractors for the submarines and frigates building programs stop fucking about and start building ships on time and on budget.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:12:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701478
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:


If Linda Reynolds was a bloke being thrown under a bus under the same circumstances, I wonder if the MFWs would leap to his defence.

No, they would not.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:13:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701480
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:


If Linda Reynolds was a bloke being thrown under a bus under the same circumstances, I wonder if the MFWs would leap to his defence.

You could start a Men’s group that can deal with these issues that Women’s groups fail to address.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:14:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701482
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:


If Linda Reynolds was a bloke being thrown under a bus under the same circumstances, I wonder if the MFWs would leap to his defence.

You could start a Men’s group that can deal with these issues that Women’s groups fail to address.

I hate whataboutism.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:16:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701485
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If Linda Reynolds was a bloke being thrown under a bus under the same circumstances, I wonder if the MFWs would leap to his defence.

You could start a Men’s group that can deal with these issues that Women’s groups fail to address.

I hate whataboutism.

*hugs

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:19:18
From: Cymek
ID: 1701486
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


JudgeMental said:


As minister for defence she needs to be kicking French and British heads to make sure the contractors for the submarines and frigates building programs stop fucking about and start building ships on time and on budget.

Damn you Madga

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:19:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701487
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If Linda Reynolds was a bloke being thrown under a bus under the same circumstances, I wonder if the MFWs would leap to his defence.

You could start a Men’s group that can deal with these issues that Women’s groups fail to address.

I hate whataboutism.

Why do you do it then?

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:20:15
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701489
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

You could start a Men’s group that can deal with these issues that Women’s groups fail to address.

I hate whataboutism.

Why do you do it then?

you just did it not me so fuck off with your crap.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:20:46
From: Cymek
ID: 1701490
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

You could start a Men’s group that can deal with these issues that Women’s groups fail to address.

I hate whataboutism.

Why do you do it then?

Have any military builds ever been on time and budget

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:22:43
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701491
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

I hate whataboutism.

Why do you do it then?

you just did it not me so fuck off with your crap.

and just so you know, whatever you come back with i’ll just tell you to fuck off again.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:24:18
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701492
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

I hate whataboutism.

Why do you do it then?

you just did it not me so fuck off with your crap.

Yes dear.

I’m not sure why a person who was in a position to do much more that they did do when informed of the rape of a woman should not be criticised.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:26:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701493
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Why do you do it then?

you just did it not me so fuck off with your crap.

and just so you know, whatever you come back with i’ll just tell you to fuck off again.

I hope it makes you happy then.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:30:52
From: party_pants
ID: 1701494
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:

Have any military builds ever been on time and budget

Yes, but it tends to be those “off-the-shelf” type orders using technology which already exists. Once you get into ordering future technology stuff that has to be developed it all goes wrong. Yet we’ve been doing the latter for decades.

The submarines are French nuclear design trying to be adapted for conventional propulsion. The frigates were designed for the UK to be best and latest and most technologically advanced in the world. We ordered them off the drawing board before even the first two or three were in service with the UK. The UK has since slashed the number on order and gone for a less technologically advanced frigate as a stop-gap at about half the cost per ship.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:31:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701495
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

you just did it not me so fuck off with your crap.

and just so you know, whatever you come back with i’ll just tell you to fuck off again.

I hope it makes you happy then.

And having checked what whataboutism is, I don’t know why you would object to a comment about the MFW’s defence of Reynolds, which was highly whataboutist.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:34:49
From: Michael V
ID: 1701497
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



Fair assessments.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:40:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

and just so you know, whatever you come back with i’ll just tell you to fuck off again.

I hope it makes you happy then.

And having checked what whataboutism is, I don’t know why you would object to a comment about the MFW’s defence of Reynolds, which was highly whataboutist.

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:44:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701509
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I hope it makes you happy then.

And having checked what whataboutism is, I don’t know why you would object to a comment about the MFW’s defence of Reynolds, which was highly whataboutist.

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

She is not responsible for the “LNP culture”, but she is responsible for what she did and didn’t do.

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Date: 24/02/2021 13:53:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701517
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And having checked what whataboutism is, I don’t know why you would object to a comment about the MFW’s defence of Reynolds, which was highly whataboutist.

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

She is not responsible for the “LNP culture”, but she is responsible for what she did and didn’t do.

Yes, but “let’s not be satisfied with a female scapegoat for a toxic male culture” appears to be their message.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:00:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

She is not responsible for the “LNP culture”, but she is responsible for what she did and didn’t do.

Yes, but “let’s not be satisfied with a female scapegoat for a toxic male culture” appears to be their message.

But that’s whataboutism isn’t it, since no-one suggested we should be satisfied with a female scapegoat for a toxic male culture.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:03:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701521
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

She is not responsible for the “LNP culture”, but she is responsible for what she did and didn’t do.

Yes, but “let’s not be satisfied with a female scapegoat for a toxic male culture” appears to be their message.

But that’s whataboutism isn’t it, since no-one suggested we should be satisfied with a female scapegoat for a toxic male culture.

It doesn’t need anyone to suggest it.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:12:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701530
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I hope it makes you happy then.

And having checked what whataboutism is, I don’t know why you would object to a comment about the MFW’s defence of Reynolds, which was highly whataboutist.

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

and MFW wasn’t about whataboutism whatsoever.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:14:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701532
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes, but “let’s not be satisfied with a female scapegoat for a toxic male culture” appears to be their message.

But that’s whataboutism isn’t it, since no-one suggested we should be satisfied with a female scapegoat for a toxic male culture.

It doesn’t need anyone to suggest it.

It just doesn’t seem helpful to anyone (other than Reynolds) to me.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:14:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701533
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And having checked what whataboutism is, I don’t know why you would object to a comment about the MFW’s defence of Reynolds, which was highly whataboutist.

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

and MFW wasn’t about whataboutism whatsoever.

They were just reminding people of the bigger picture. I’d imagine they would have done the same if the defence minister was a man.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:16:15
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701535
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


JudgeMental said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

and MFW wasn’t about whataboutism whatsoever.

They were just reminding people of the bigger picture. I’d imagine they would have done the same if the defence minister was a man.

yes, i follow them and the are equally harsh and supportive of all genders.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:16:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701536
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And having checked what whataboutism is, I don’t know why you would object to a comment about the MFW’s defence of Reynolds, which was highly whataboutist.

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

and MFW wasn’t about whataboutism whatsoever.

Why do you say that?

The opening comment was critical of Reynolds and the privileged position she holds, and they defended her by pointing at other stuff.

That’s exactly whataboutism, isn’t it?

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:17:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701538
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


JudgeMental said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t think they’re defending her, just pointing out that she’s not personally responsible for the LNP culture on display here, she’s just conforming to it.

and MFW wasn’t about whataboutism whatsoever.

They were just reminding people of the bigger picture. I’d imagine they would have done the same if the defence minister was a man.

I’d say the probability of that was very close to zero.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:19:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701539
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

and MFW wasn’t about whataboutism whatsoever.

They were just reminding people of the bigger picture. I’d imagine they would have done the same if the defence minister was a man.

yes, i follow them and the are equally harsh and supportive of all genders.

Even if they did, it would be even more unhelpful.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:20:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701540
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

and MFW wasn’t about whataboutism whatsoever.

They were just reminding people of the bigger picture. I’d imagine they would have done the same if the defence minister was a man.

I’d say the probability of that was very close to zero.

You think they’d let the LNP and its nasty bloke culture off the hook, if the defence minister was a man? I think the probability of that is zero.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:22:19
From: party_pants
ID: 1701541
Subject: re: Aust Politics

All the while the nasty French submarine rip-off builders are getting away with it.

We should have just bought the Japanese models off the shelf, even if they were to be built mostly in Japania.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:25:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701542
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


All the while the nasty French submarine rip-off builders are getting away with it.

We should have just bought the Japanese models off the shelf, even if they were to be built mostly in Japania.

Should have bought a cheap armada of small robot subs.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:27:12
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701544
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

They were just reminding people of the bigger picture. I’d imagine they would have done the same if the defence minister was a man.

I’d say the probability of that was very close to zero.

You think they’d let the LNP and its nasty bloke culture off the hook, if the defence minister was a man? I think the probability of that is zero.

this is starting to sound like, I haven’t read the book, seen the movie, but it’s crap.

you are correct Bubblecar they wouldn’t have let a bloke off. and they don’t let women off either.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:27:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701545
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

They were just reminding people of the bigger picture. I’d imagine they would have done the same if the defence minister was a man.

I’d say the probability of that was very close to zero.

You think they’d let the LNP and its nasty bloke culture off the hook, if the defence minister was a man? I think the probability of that is zero.

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:27:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701546
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

All the while the nasty French submarine rip-off builders are getting away with it.

We should have just bought the Japanese models off the shelf, even if they were to be built mostly in Japania.

Should have bought a cheap armada of small robot subs.

drone subs.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:28:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1701547
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

All the while the nasty French submarine rip-off builders are getting away with it.

We should have just bought the Japanese models off the shelf, even if they were to be built mostly in Japania.

Should have bought a cheap armada of small robot subs.

the technology only exists in movies and Wookie’s posts.

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Date: 24/02/2021 14:32:51
From: Cymek
ID: 1701548
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

All the while the nasty French submarine rip-off builders are getting away with it.

We should have just bought the Japanese models off the shelf, even if they were to be built mostly in Japania.

Should have bought a cheap armada of small robot subs.

the technology only exists in movies and Wookie’s posts.

It might make sense as a weapon, drone torpedos that can work as a group or individuals, fire them and they can overwhelm a targets defences

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Date: 24/02/2021 15:04:38
From: Woodie
ID: 1701555
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

All the while the nasty French submarine rip-off builders are getting away with it.

We should have just bought the Japanese models off the shelf, even if they were to be built mostly in Japania.

Should have bought a cheap armada of small robot subs.

Or a cuppla snorkels a wet suit, and a few pairs of flippers. Probably need more than one wetsuit, but.

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Date: 24/02/2021 15:53:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1701579
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/high-court-reveals-why-it-blocked-clive-palmer-wa-border-attempt/13187050

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:10:01
From: dv
ID: 1701584
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/high-court-reveals-why-it-blocked-clive-palmer-wa-border-attempt/13187050

Patere in jocks tuam

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:14:23
From: Michael V
ID: 1701587
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/high-court-reveals-why-it-blocked-clive-palmer-wa-border-attempt/13187050

Patere in jocks tuam

idgi

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:16:39
From: party_pants
ID: 1701589
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/high-court-reveals-why-it-blocked-clive-palmer-wa-border-attempt/13187050

Patere in jocks tuam

idgi

Suffer in your jocks ??

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:28:09
From: Michael V
ID: 1701594
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Patere in jocks tuam

idgi

Suffer in your jocks ??

OK.

Why should I?

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:31:54
From: party_pants
ID: 1701598
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

idgi

Suffer in your jocks ??

OK.

Why should I?

Not you. Clive.

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:33:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701599
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/high-court-reveals-why-it-blocked-clive-palmer-wa-border-attempt/13187050

Patere in jocks tuam

idgi

Also, that vindicative timing, nothing to do with electoral favour now could it be ¿

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:40:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701601
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’d say the probability of that was very close to zero.

You think they’d let the LNP and its nasty bloke culture off the hook, if the defence minister was a man? I think the probability of that is zero.

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:42:54
From: dv
ID: 1701602
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

idgi

Suffer in your jocks ??

OK.

Why should I?

Not you. Palmer.

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:49:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701603
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

You think they’d let the LNP and its nasty bloke culture off the hook, if the defence minister was a man? I think the probability of that is zero.

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

There is only one post by MFW here. The centre one.

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:49:54
From: sibeen
ID: 1701604
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Suffer in your jocks ??

OK.

Why should I?

Not you. Palmer.

The image that springs to mind is not pretty.

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Date: 24/02/2021 16:59:59
From: Michael V
ID: 1701608
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Suffer in your jocks ??

OK.

Why should I?

Not you. Clive.

Well, yes.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:01:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701610
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

OK.

Why should I?

Not you. Clive.

Well, yes.

welrod for clive.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:01:47
From: Michael V
ID: 1701612
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Suffer in your jocks ??

OK.

Why should I?

Not you. Palmer.

phew

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:05:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701613
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

There is only one post by MFW here. The centre one.

is it possible that a female could have embraced the patriarchy, industriously pouring in support to its foundations and upholding its stranglehold on society

is it equally possible to be a male feminist

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:06:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701615
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

There is only one post by MFW here. The centre one.

is it possible that a female could have embraced the patriarchy, industriously pouring in support to its foundations and upholding its stranglehold on society

is it equally possible to be a male feminist

are those questions requiring answers?

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:21:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701617
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

You think they’d let the LNP and its nasty bloke culture off the hook, if the defence minister was a man? I think the probability of that is zero.

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

Whilst recognising that that probably isn’t what you really think is the correct solution, I’m still not sure why you would say that.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:22:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701618
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

There is only one post by MFW here. The centre one.

At least there is something we can all agree on.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:27:19
From: dv
ID: 1701619
Subject: re: Aust Politics

There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:29:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701620
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

Yeah, one of the things where he couldn’t win either way.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:31:13
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1701621
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

I agree.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:33:44
From: Cymek
ID: 1701622
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

Whilst recognising that that probably isn’t what you really think is the correct solution, I’m still not sure why you would say that.

What possibly is a problem is women to get into positions of power have to act like dipshit men and nothing much changes

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:36:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701623
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

Yeah, one of the things where he couldn’t win either way.

we thought it was just about the suit

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:38:42
From: Michael V
ID: 1701624
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

Yes.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:38:48
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701625
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

Yeah, one of the things where he couldn’t win either way.

we thought it was just about the suit

me too. the photo op rather than the reason. maybe DV is talking about elsewhere.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:44:17
From: Cymek
ID: 1701627
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

Yes.

Surely that was the point and he would be included in the 1a group anyway

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:50:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701629
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

Yes.

Surely that was the point and he would be included in the 1a group anyway

why?

age = no
quarantine or border worker = no
frontline healthcare worker = no
aged or disability care worker = no
healthcare worker = no
aboriginal or TI = no
medical condition disability = no
critical or high risk worker = no

phase 2A

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:55:12
From: Cymek
ID: 1701630
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Yes.

Surely that was the point and he would be included in the 1a group anyway

why?

age = no
quarantine or border worker = no
frontline healthcare worker = no
aged or disability care worker = no
healthcare worker = no
aboriginal or TI = no
medical condition disability = no
critical or high risk worker = no

phase 2A

Being a nations leader, but yes with the above no he wouldn’t

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:56:48
From: Cymek
ID: 1701631
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


JudgeMental said:

Cymek said:

Surely that was the point and he would be included in the 1a group anyway

why?

age = no
quarantine or border worker = no
frontline healthcare worker = no
aged or disability care worker = no
healthcare worker = no
aboriginal or TI = no
medical condition disability = no
critical or high risk worker = no

phase 2A

Being a nations leader, but yes with the above no he wouldn’t

Mrs Cymek falls into the 1A group being a Covid tester, I’ll report back if she gets the autisms or goes full zombie.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:57:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Yes.

Surely that was the point and he would be included in the 1a group anyway

why?

age = no
quarantine or border worker = no
frontline healthcare worker = no
aged or disability care worker = no
healthcare worker = no
aboriginal or TI = no
medical condition disability = no
critical or high risk worker = no

phase 2A

I get why Morrison should have waited to get the vaccine. The I’m big and strong and look at me getting the accine don’t cut it with me. I do get why the whole fronch bench should be included in the criticals. Running the country should be seen as important. But honestly they would be doing more good if they stayed out of Canberra.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:58:23
From: sibeen
ID: 1701633
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yeah, one of the things where he couldn’t win either way.

we thought it was just about the suit

me too. the photo op rather than the reason. maybe DV is talking about elsewhere.

There was the meme that Scotty from marketing jumped the queue whilst Saint Jacinda had decided, for the good of the nation, that she’s wait her turn.

I thought that if Scotty had waited and Jacinda had lined up first, to show that it was safe, Scotty would have been lambasted by the same people that went him in the first case.

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Date: 24/02/2021 17:58:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701634
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

Cymek said:

Surely that was the point and he would be included in the 1a group anyway

why?

age = no
quarantine or border worker = no
frontline healthcare worker = no
aged or disability care worker = no
healthcare worker = no
aboriginal or TI = no
medical condition disability = no
critical or high risk worker = no

phase 2A

I get why Morrison should have waited to get the vaccine. The I’m big and strong and look at me getting the accine don’t cut it with me. I do get why the whole fronch bench should be included in the criticals. Running the country should be seen as important. But honestly they would be doing more good if they stayed out of Canberra.

^ Fence sitting.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:01:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701635
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

we thought it was just about the suit

me too. the photo op rather than the reason. maybe DV is talking about elsewhere.

There was the meme that Scotty from marketing jumped the queue whilst Saint Jacinda had decided, for the good of the nation, that she’s wait her turn.

I thought that if Scotty had waited and Jacinda had lined up first, to show that it was safe, Scotty would have been lambasted by the same people that went him in the first case.

and what does that prove? anything of real importance? plus it is your usual comeback. soooo some people are dicks. i think we all know that. plus some can be dicks at some point and not at others. welcome to the human condition.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:03:32
From: sibeen
ID: 1701638
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

me too. the photo op rather than the reason. maybe DV is talking about elsewhere.

There was the meme that Scotty from marketing jumped the queue whilst Saint Jacinda had decided, for the good of the nation, that she’s wait her turn.

I thought that if Scotty had waited and Jacinda had lined up first, to show that it was safe, Scotty would have been lambasted by the same people that went him in the first case.

and what does that prove? anything of real importance? plus it is your usual comeback. soooo some people are dicks. i think we all know that. plus some can be dicks at some point and not at others. welcome to the human condition.

No, just making the point that he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:07:07
From: Cymek
ID: 1701639
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

There was the meme that Scotty from marketing jumped the queue whilst Saint Jacinda had decided, for the good of the nation, that she’s wait her turn.

I thought that if Scotty had waited and Jacinda had lined up first, to show that it was safe, Scotty would have been lambasted by the same people that went him in the first case.

and what does that prove? anything of real importance? plus it is your usual comeback. soooo some people are dicks. i think we all know that. plus some can be dicks at some point and not at others. welcome to the human condition.

No, just making the point that he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

Being in Australia it is less of big deal as the chances of just about anyone getting it are pretty low, so queue jumping doesn’t achieve much, perhaps freedom to travel it about it

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:19:15
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1701641
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bring back Elvis

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:19:49
From: dv
ID: 1701642
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

There’s been some critical meming against Morrison for taking the first vaccine hit, but I think it’s fair enough. There are still hundreds of thousands of people unwilling to take the vaccine and as leader he can play a role in showing it is safe.

Yes.

Surely that was the point and he would be included in the 1a group anyway

1a

Quarantine, border and front line health care workers will need to provide proof of occupation to demonstrate their eligibility

Quarantine and border workers, including:

staff at entry points to the country (such as sea ports and land borders)staff working in quarantine facilities, including those employed under Commonwealth, state or private agreements, and  Commonwealth employees (including Defence personnel) who are identified as having the potential to encounter returning travellers as part of their work. 

Frontline health care worker sub-groups for prioritisation

frontline staff in facilities or services such as hospital emergency departments,COVID-19 and respiratory wards, Intensive Care Units and High-dependency Unitslaboratory staff handling potentially infectious materialambulance and paramedics serviceGP respiratory clinics, and  COVID-19 testing facilities.

*All other healthcare workers are included in Phase 1b, including medical and tertiary students with placements in these healthcare settings.

 

Aged care and disability care staff

 

Aged care and disability care residents

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:20:59
From: dv
ID: 1701643
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

we thought it was just about the suit

me too. the photo op rather than the reason. maybe DV is talking about elsewhere.

There was the meme that Scotty from marketing jumped the queue whilst Saint Jacinda had decided, for the good of the nation, that she’s wait her turn.

I thought that if Scotty had waited and Jacinda had lined up first, to show that it was safe, Scotty would have been lambasted by the same people that went him in the first case.

It’s possible.

Dgmw, I hate the cunt, but we should be fair.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:24:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701644
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

No, that’s the opposite of what I am saying. I am saying that if the minister was a man, and someone suggested that he was still getting privileged treatment, compared with someone on job-seeker, they would not respond by saying it wasn’t his fault.

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

Whilst recognising that that probably isn’t what you really think is the correct solution, I’m still not sure why you would say that.

we thought the issue they wanted to make was that responsibility for harms must stop at a binary-identified male

in that case you may as well bypass all the irresponsible steps and go straight to the source, why muck around with intermediate steps of bureaucracy and subordination

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:31:32
From: dv
ID: 1701646
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ppl have been sharing a 360 degree photo of the Martian surface rom Perseverance with the Milky Way in the sky … they’re so excited I hardly like to tell them that it is a composite picture.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:31:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701647
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

me too. the photo op rather than the reason. maybe DV is talking about elsewhere.

There was the meme that Scotty from marketing jumped the queue whilst Saint Jacinda had decided, for the good of the nation, that she’s wait her turn.

I thought that if Scotty had waited and Jacinda had lined up first, to show that it was safe, Scotty would have been lambasted by the same people that went him in the first case.

It’s possible.

Dgmw, I hate the cunt, but we should be fair.

on the other hand if these arseholes really had the guts then they should be out there getting Oxford-AstraZeneca rather than sneaking in with the Pfizer since they’re both just as good they say

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:33:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701649
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

There was the meme that Scotty from marketing jumped the queue whilst Saint Jacinda had decided, for the good of the nation, that she’s wait her turn.

I thought that if Scotty had waited and Jacinda had lined up first, to show that it was safe, Scotty would have been lambasted by the same people that went him in the first case.

It’s possible.

Dgmw, I hate the cunt, but we should be fair.

on the other hand if these arseholes really had the guts then they should be out there getting Oxford-AstraZeneca rather than sneaking in with the Pfizer since they’re both just as good they say

I thought that. I didn’t say it loud though.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:33:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701650
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Ppl have been sharing a 360 degree photo of the Martian surface rom Perseverance with the Milky Way in the sky … they’re so excited I hardly like to tell them that it is a composite picture.

I hope there is an inquiry!

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:35:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

clearly the correct solution is to never allow females and non(nonbinary(nonmales)) to ever hold any leadership positions or positions of power, ever again

Whilst recognising that that probably isn’t what you really think is the correct solution, I’m still not sure why you would say that.

we thought the issue they wanted to make was that responsibility for harms must stop at a binary-identified male

in that case you may as well bypass all the irresponsible steps and go straight to the source, why muck around with intermediate steps of bureaucracy and subordination

OK, I see your point then.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:35:19
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:38:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701654
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



:)

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:44:34
From: party_pants
ID: 1701658
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:50:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701659
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:53:14
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1701661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

Yeah but he’s already getting amazing 5G coverage.

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:55:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701662
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

Yeah but he’s already getting amazing 5G coverage.

and is autism a good enough excuse to justify the amount of compassion they’ve shown in dealing with sexual assault

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Date: 24/02/2021 18:59:27
From: Cymek
ID: 1701663
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:00:03
From: Cymek
ID: 1701664
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

Yeah but he’s already getting amazing 5G coverage.

That caused it in the first place

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:02:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1701665
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Divine Angel said:

Bubblecar said:

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

Yeah but he’s already getting amazing 5G coverage.

and is autism a good enough excuse to justify the amount of compassion they’ve shown in dealing with sexual assault

To be honest just about every institution it has occurred they don’t care less, cover it up, ignore it, hassle the victims, or numerous other despicable behaviour.
Sure you’ve got make sure its not malicious lies (how many would be not many I imagine) but they just don’t give a shit

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:08:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1701667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:15:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1701671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

^

It’s the group who are scared by the rapid development of the vaccine (and hence it’s safety) who are being targeted by Scomo getting the shot.

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:23:18
From: Cymek
ID: 1701672
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

^

It’s the group who are scared by the rapid development of the vaccine (and hence it’s safety) who are being targeted by Scomo getting the shot.

That is somewhat understandable when it keeps getting mentioned its about the economy, its not like worse things have been done to workers in the name of profit

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:26:03
From: Arts
ID: 1701673
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:28:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701676
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Cymek said:

party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

Yes, if they work in aged care and think Covid is a hoax, they’re obviously a potential menace. Kick ‘em out.

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:28:50
From: Michael V
ID: 1701677
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Cymek said:

party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

nods

‘ken eedjots!

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:30:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701678
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

I’d imagine most anti-vaxxers would claim his injection was faked, anyway.

^

It’s the group who are scared by the rapid development of the vaccine (and hence it’s safety) who are being targeted by Scomo getting the shot.

That is somewhat understandable when it keeps getting mentioned its about the economy, its not like worse things have been done to workers in the name of profit

so if we simply frame it as, Get Vaccinated For The Economy Must Grow, then problem solved

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:32:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701681
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Cymek said:

party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

truth is this whole idea of COVID-19 is just a little head cold really is a hoax

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:34:45
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1701686
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Cymek said:

party_pants said:

I think it is fair enough for the PM to publicly be one of the first to get the vaccine, just to show to the anti-vaxxers or the doubters that it is safe and that the government is fully committed to the mass vaccine program.

Sadly we live in a country where a few prominent people, even in parliament, still express doubts over vaccines.

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

what speds, they work with the most vulnerable people for covids deaths.

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:35:07
From: Arts
ID: 1701687
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Arts said:

Cymek said:

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

nods

‘ken eedjots!

it drives me nuts, because they are not against vaccinations.. they have to have the flu jab each year as part of their job requirements… so it really is because they don’t believe Covid exists… I suppose we, In Perth, have been quite lucky when it’s come to most people seeing what the worst of COVID can do… but the safety and sheltering has led to some disbelief among people… it’s almost like if they haven’t seen it, it mustn’t exist.

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:37:16
From: Cymek
ID: 1701689
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

nods

‘ken eedjots!

it drives me nuts, because they are not against vaccinations.. they have to have the flu jab each year as part of their job requirements… so it really is because they don’t believe Covid exists… I suppose we, In Perth, have been quite lucky when it’s come to most people seeing what the worst of COVID can do… but the safety and sheltering has led to some disbelief among people… it’s almost like if they haven’t seen it, it mustn’t exist.

I’d delay getting it as I think the vulnerable worldwide should get it first and we here in Australia (WA especially) could not get it for months and still be likely to live life as normal

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:39:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701691
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:

Arts said:
my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

what speds, they work with the most vulnerable people for covids deaths.

exactly, and yet those “vulnerable” people are still alive, so how you gunna prove this COVID-19 thing is f’real

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:40:20
From: Arts
ID: 1701692
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

nods

‘ken eedjots!

it drives me nuts, because they are not against vaccinations.. they have to have the flu jab each year as part of their job requirements… so it really is because they don’t believe Covid exists… I suppose we, In Perth, have been quite lucky when it’s come to most people seeing what the worst of COVID can do… but the safety and sheltering has led to some disbelief among people… it’s almost like if they haven’t seen it, it mustn’t exist.

not seeing… obviously

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:41:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701694
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:

I’d delay getting it as I think the vulnerable worldwide should get it first and we here in Australia (WA especially) could not get it for months and still be likely to live life as normal

ah you mean sitting around unvaccinated while the rest of the world is getting vaccinated is life as normal in WA especially

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:41:27
From: kryten
ID: 1701695
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Arts said:

Cymek said:

Our local election ballot paper has an antivaxxer candidate or no to compulsory vaccine or something like that

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

truth is this whole idea of COVID-19 is just a little head cold really is a hoax

Actually, it’s more of a chest cold…

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:43:53
From: dv
ID: 1701697
Subject: re: Aust Politics

kryten said:


SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

truth is this whole idea of COVID-19 is just a little head cold really is a hoax

Actually, it’s more of a chest cold…

For a few million people it’s the whole body cold

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:44:14
From: buffy
ID: 1701699
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

my sister works in aged care.. some of her work colleagues are about to lose their job (of 15 years) because they refuse to be vaccinated… my sister (ever the social justice warrior) was saying that they are allowed to have an opinion on that… I said that they can have an informed opinion… why are they saying they don’t want to be vaccinated? the reason: Covid is a hoax anyway…

so fuck ‘em… IMO.

nods

‘ken eedjots!

it drives me nuts, because they are not against vaccinations.. they have to have the flu jab each year as part of their job requirements… so it really is because they don’t believe Covid exists… I suppose we, In Perth, have been quite lucky when it’s come to most people seeing what the worst of COVID can do… but the safety and sheltering has led to some disbelief among people… it’s almost like if they haven’t seen it, it mustn’t exist.

What is the difference between having to have the ‘flu jab for your job and having to have this one?

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:45:01
From: Arts
ID: 1701701
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

nods

‘ken eedjots!

it drives me nuts, because they are not against vaccinations.. they have to have the flu jab each year as part of their job requirements… so it really is because they don’t believe Covid exists… I suppose we, In Perth, have been quite lucky when it’s come to most people seeing what the worst of COVID can do… but the safety and sheltering has led to some disbelief among people… it’s almost like if they haven’t seen it, it mustn’t exist.

What is the difference between having to have the ‘flu jab for your job and having to have this one?

nothing except, for these people, only one of them exists.

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:45:06
From: dv
ID: 1701702
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

nods

‘ken eedjots!

it drives me nuts, because they are not against vaccinations.. they have to have the flu jab each year as part of their job requirements… so it really is because they don’t believe Covid exists… I suppose we, In Perth, have been quite lucky when it’s come to most people seeing what the worst of COVID can do… but the safety and sheltering has led to some disbelief among people… it’s almost like if they haven’t seen it, it mustn’t exist.

What is the difference between having to have the ‘flu jab for your job and having to have this one?

Influenza is a real disease and coronaviruses are just jewish space 5G

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:49:58
From: Cymek
ID: 1701709
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:
I’d delay getting it as I think the vulnerable worldwide should get it first and we here in Australia (WA especially) could not get it for months and still be likely to live life as normal

ah you mean sitting around unvaccinated while the rest of the world is getting vaccinated is life as normal in WA especially

Here its less likely to save lives but in some poor nation rife with cases that couldn’t get enough vaccines it could do more good

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:56:46
From: dv
ID: 1701710
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/02/2021 19:58:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1701711
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



:)

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Date: 24/02/2021 20:04:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1701715
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:
I’d delay getting it as I think the vulnerable worldwide should get it first and we here in Australia (WA especially) could not get it for months and still be likely to live life as normal

ah you mean sitting around unvaccinated while the rest of the world is getting vaccinated is life as normal in WA especially

Here its less likely to save lives but in some poor nation rife with cases that couldn’t get enough vaccines it could do more good

yeah we agree, wuz jess joshin

though being signed up as a country may as well go through with it all, there’s a reason on aeroplanes they say put your own mask on first

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Date: 25/02/2021 06:27:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1701884
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

you just did it not me so fuck off with your crap.

and just so you know, whatever you come back with i’ll just tell you to fuck off again.

I hope it makes you happy then.


Is this where we left off?
I do hope you all feel better this morning.

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:35:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1701931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists Linda Reynolds will return to work …
> Well of course. He can’t afford to lose any ministers.

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:36:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1701932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists Linda Reynolds will return to work …
> Well of course. He can’t afford to lose any ministers.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:38:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701933
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists Linda Reynolds will return to work …
> Well of course. He can’t afford to lose any ministers.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:41:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 1701935
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists Linda Reynolds will return to work …
> Well of course. He can’t afford to lose any ministers.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

It is the policeman in him.

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:42:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701937
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists Linda Reynolds will return to work …
> Well of course. He can’t afford to lose any ministers.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

First hit on “operational matters”:

https://xborderoperationalmatters.wordpress.com/#:~:text=%20Crossborder%20Operational%20Matters%20%201%20Internment%20Industry,of%20Operation%20Sovereign%20Borders%20and%20the…%20More

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:45:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1701940
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

First hit on “operational matters”:

https://xborderoperationalmatters.wordpress.com/#:~:text=%20Crossborder%20Operational%20Matters%20%201%20Internment%20Industry,of%20Operation%20Sovereign%20Borders%20and%20the…%20More

wasn’t thaht Scomo?

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:48:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1701942
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

First hit on “operational matters”:

https://xborderoperationalmatters.wordpress.com/#:~:text=%20Crossborder%20Operational%20Matters%20%201%20Internment%20Industry,of%20Operation%20Sovereign%20Borders%20and%20the…%20More

wasn’t thaht Scomo?

Quite possibly, but Pedutt picked it up, and treats it as his own.

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:49:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1701943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

First hit on “operational matters”:

https://xborderoperationalmatters.wordpress.com/#:~:text=%20Crossborder%20Operational%20Matters%20%201%20Internment%20Industry,of%20Operation%20Sovereign%20Borders%20and%20the…%20More

wasn’t thaht Scomo?

Quite possibly, but Pedutt picked it up, and treats it as his own.

He may well have written it for Scomo when Scomo was being the face of it.

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Date: 25/02/2021 09:54:50
From: dv
ID: 1701946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

It is the policeman in him.

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Date: 25/02/2021 10:00:23
From: dv
ID: 1701951
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The head of Waxit is John Golawski, a taxi driver who used to be a small business party candidate, but a lot of the key people like Russell Sewell are former Clive Palmer people. Some irony there given that Palmer was trying to crack open the WA borders.

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Date: 25/02/2021 10:11:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1701955
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists Linda Reynolds will return to work …
> Well of course. He can’t afford to lose any ministers.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

Well he was a policeman, before becoming a politician. It’s a commonly-used expression in that group.

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Date: 25/02/2021 10:13:31
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1701958
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/02/2021 10:45:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1701985
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

>ditto.

It must have been a great day in Dutton’s life when he discovered the words “operational matters”.

Well he was a policeman, before becoming a politician. It’s a commonly-used expression in that group.

Don’t bother sending anything marked ‘sensitive’ to the PM.

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Date: 25/02/2021 11:07:09
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1701997
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/02/2021 11:13:51
From: sibeen
ID: 1702001
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



But Samantha works for News Corp; doesn’t that automatically make her being ignored an inherently decent thing to do?

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Date: 25/02/2021 11:23:05
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1702006
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Divine Angel said:


But Samantha works for News Corp; doesn’t that automatically make her being ignored an inherently decent thing to do?

Rich tapestry and all that. On one hand you’ve got the public’s right to information, and the right of reply for Dutton. OTOH you have office staff being quite rude, and the role of women in journalism (however loose that term might be).

One side of the story does not equal whole truth. Perhaps Samantha was rude. Perhaps the staff laughed at her for a belief she’s not a serious journo. Perhaps Dutton is a pig.

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:28:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1702076
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:30:45
From: dv
ID: 1702079
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:32:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1702081
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

He’s looking for the sympathy vote.

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:37:25
From: party_pants
ID: 1702082
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

Maybe it’s all a cunning plan: the ALP are going to win anyway so you might as well just make a protest vote. Going after the protest votes he might get more votes than if he was pitching as a serious alternative Premier.

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:40:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1702086
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

Campaigning about a ‘credible opposition’, ‘holding governments to account’ might swing a few votes.

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:42:44
From: Michael V
ID: 1702087
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

He’s looking for the sympathy vote.

^

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:42:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702088
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

more real life satire.

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Date: 25/02/2021 12:42:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1702089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

Campaigning about a ‘credible opposition’, ‘holding governments to account’ might swing a few votes.

We are all getting tired of that approach. What we want is credible policy. Credible accounting.
and the way to do that is to stop silencing the women.
Have an open dialogue.

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:05:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702094
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

Maybe it’s all a cunning plan: the ALP are going to win anyway so you might as well just make a protest vote. Going after the protest votes he might get more votes than if he was pitching as a serious alternative Premier.

You have to be careful about lodging ‘protest votes’.

I’d bet that a lot of Brits lodged ‘protest votes’ in favour of leaving the EU, not dreaming that a lot of similarly stupid people would do the same, and thus bring on Brexit.

And a lot of Trump’s 2016 votes were undoubtedly ‘protest votes’ against the political establishment – and look where that got them.

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:10:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702097
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

AFP letter to PM warns delay in MPs reporting crimes could lead to reoffending

By political reporter Jade Macmillan
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) Commissioner writes to Prime Minister Scott Morrison, warning about delays in politicians reporting criminal conduct.’

I reckon that deliberate delay in reporting should see them charged as accessories or accomplices to the criminal act.

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:11:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1702099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

AFP letter to PM warns delay in MPs reporting crimes could lead to reoffending

By political reporter Jade Macmillan
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) Commissioner writes to Prime Minister Scott Morrison, warning about delays in politicians reporting criminal conduct.’

I reckon that deliberate delay in reporting should see them charged as accessories or accomplices to the criminal act.

There are laws about withholding information from the police. I’m sure this letter was the polite warning;
Get the information here before we change our minds.

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:18:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1702108
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

AFP letter to PM warns delay in MPs reporting crimes could lead to reoffending

By political reporter Jade Macmillan
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) Commissioner writes to Prime Minister Scott Morrison, warning about delays in politicians reporting criminal conduct.’

I reckon that deliberate delay in reporting should see them charged as accessories or accomplices to the criminal act.

Sounds reasonable.

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:22:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1702109
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Maybe it’s all a cunning plan: the ALP are going to win anyway so you might as well just make a protest vote. Going after the protest votes he might get more votes than if he was pitching as a serious alternative Premier.

You have to be careful about lodging ‘protest votes’.

I’d bet that a lot of Brits lodged ‘protest votes’ in favour of leaving the EU, not dreaming that a lot of similarly stupid people would do the same, and thus bring on Brexit.

And a lot of Trump’s 2016 votes were undoubtedly ‘protest votes’ against the political establishment – and look where that got them.

yeah nah. There seem to be a lot of rusted-ons for both causes now, long after the protest vote reasoning passed.

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:33:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1702122
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Kirk-up concedes defeat, two weeks before the election.

WA election upset as Liberal leader Zak Kirkup concedes he can’t win on March 13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/wa-liberal-leader-zak-kirkup-concedes-he-cant-win-election/13190946

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

Campaigning about a ‘credible opposition’, ‘holding governments to account’ might swing a few votes.

we thought the idea that there had to be a strong and credible opposition was merely a product of a push towards partisan politics

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:34:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1702126
Subject: re: Aust Politics

apparently it’s not just wives who can / have to point out the obvious

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/afp-letter-mps-warning-risk-crime-brittany-higgins/13191832

“I cannot state strongly enough the importance of timely referrals of allegations of criminal conduct,” Commissioner Kershaw said in the letter, first published by news.com.au.

“Failure to report alleged criminal behaviour in this manner, or choosing to communicate or disseminate allegations via other means, such as through the media or third parties, risks prejudicing any subsequent police investigation.

“Any delay in reporting criminal conduct can result in the loss of key evidence, continuation of the offending and/or reoffending by the alleged perpetrator.”

The letter, dated yesterday, was addressed to Prime Minister Scott Morrison and has since been circulated to politicians by Parliament’s Serjeant-At-Arms.

imagine that

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:42:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1702142
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

Campaigning about a ‘credible opposition’, ‘holding governments to account’ might swing a few votes.

We are all getting tired of that approach. What we want is credible policy. Credible accounting.
and the way to do that is to stop silencing the women.
Have an open dialogue.

aren’t they just pulling the Federal 2019 trick, there was no chance they were winning that one either

and sorry about the AFP repost bit slow to catch up today bit busy

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:45:48
From: dv
ID: 1702143
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:47:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1702145
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Well it’s certainly a refreshing change to see election losers concede good and early but this might be overdoing it.

Campaigning about a ‘credible opposition’, ‘holding governments to account’ might swing a few votes.

we thought the idea that there had to be a strong and credible opposition was merely a product of a push towards partisan politics

Her Majesties loyal opposition has long been a crucial feature of the Westminster system.

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Date: 25/02/2021 13:47:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1702147
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



It’s just Murdock rubbish.

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Date: 25/02/2021 14:10:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1702168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Campaigning about a ‘credible opposition’, ‘holding governments to account’ might swing a few votes.

we thought the idea that there had to be a strong and credible opposition was merely a product of a push towards partisan politics

Her Majesties loyal opposition has long been a crucial feature of the Westminster system.

does it dictate strength and credibility

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Date: 25/02/2021 14:13:41
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1702171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

we thought the idea that there had to be a strong and credible opposition was merely a product of a push towards partisan politics

Her Majesties loyal opposition has long been a crucial feature of the Westminster system.

does it dictate strength and credibility

It does entail that there is an alternative government at the ready given an election victory.

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Date: 25/02/2021 14:18:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1702175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Her Majesties loyal opposition has long been a crucial feature of the Westminster system.

does it dictate strength and credibility

It does entail that there is an alternative government at the ready given an election victory.

Hmm, being a one-or-the-other kind of thing, implies that it’s partisanship written into the system then ¿

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Date: 25/02/2021 14:20:15
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702177
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/02/2021 14:33:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1702184
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

does it dictate strength and credibility

It does entail that there is an alternative government at the ready given an election victory.

Hmm, being a one-or-the-other kind of thing, implies that it’s partisanship written into the system then ¿

Certainly it’s most prominent in electoral systems where 2 parties dominate and that is where it developed from in the UK and the US but it’s more about stability whereby parties have established processes and experience within a legislature so that were they to form government it would be a credible one. The ALP’s long stint in opposition before the Whitlam victory federally IMO contributed to the somewhat chaotic machinations of Whitlam’s subsequent government and that was even with a sizable leadership team in place. It would be even worse were a party to have to form government with a team of new members of parliament with absolutely no experience with opposition let alone government.

In short it is best that opposition parties have a sizable cohort in parliament to ensure the continuity of good policy formation were they to win government.

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Date: 25/02/2021 21:19:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702340
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A complete timeline of Scott Morrison not knowing about an alleged rape in his workplace

https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/02/25/a-complete-timeline-of-scott-morrison-not-knowing-about-an-alleged-rape-in-his-workplace/

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Date: 25/02/2021 21:24:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702341
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


A complete timeline of Scott Morrison not knowing about an alleged rape in his workplace

https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/02/25/a-complete-timeline-of-scott-morrison-not-knowing-about-an-alleged-rape-in-his-workplace/

So the office was steam cleaned before anything else happened.
NNnnn.

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Date: 25/02/2021 22:03:39
From: dv
ID: 1702360
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/02/2021 22:06:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702362
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Are staffers permanent staff or do they come and go withchange of govt?

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Date: 25/02/2021 22:27:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1702369
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:


Are staffers permanent staff or do they come and go withchange of govt?

They change.

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Date: 25/02/2021 22:29:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1702370
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:


Are staffers permanent staff or do they come and go withchange of govt?

They change.

They are party hacks chosen personally by the politician. For many aspiring professional politicians it is the start of their career in poly ticks.

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Date: 25/02/2021 22:33:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702375
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Are staffers permanent staff or do they come and go withchange of govt?

They change.

They are party hacks chosen personally by the politician. For many aspiring professional politicians it is the start of their career in poly ticks.

I suppose we should think ourselves lucky he is gone. I hope he doesn’t come back.

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Date: 25/02/2021 22:46:03
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1702378
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

They change.

They are party hacks chosen personally by the politician. For many aspiring professional politicians it is the start of their career in poly ticks.

I suppose we should think ourselves lucky he is gone. I hope he doesn’t come back.

Yeah.

To clarify each pollie gets a parliamentary allowance to employ staffers who are chosen by the pollies who may follow the pollie from opposition to government and vice versa. Government ministers get a larger allowance than opposition spokespeople and less again to just a back-bencher.

I know that in Victoria at least parliamentary staffers cannot be employed on campaigns with strict limits on the tasks they undertake. For campaigns the party will employ other staffers to do campaign work paid for by the parties and not parliament.

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Date: 25/02/2021 22:47:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702379
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

They are party hacks chosen personally by the politician. For many aspiring professional politicians it is the start of their career in poly ticks.

I suppose we should think ourselves lucky he is gone. I hope he doesn’t come back.

Yeah.

To clarify each pollie gets a parliamentary allowance to employ staffers who are chosen by the pollies who may follow the pollie from opposition to government and vice versa. Government ministers get a larger allowance than opposition spokespeople and less again to just a back-bencher.

I know that in Victoria at least parliamentary staffers cannot be employed on campaigns with strict limits on the tasks they undertake. For campaigns the party will employ other staffers to do campaign work paid for by the parties and not parliament.

Thanks Witty.

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Date: 26/02/2021 06:27:27
From: buffy
ID: 1702459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

They change.

They are party hacks chosen personally by the politician. For many aspiring professional politicians it is the start of their career in poly ticks.

I suppose we should think ourselves lucky he is gone. I hope he doesn’t come back.

He will have just gone somewhere else.

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Date: 26/02/2021 07:46:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1702465
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

A complete timeline of Scott Morrison not knowing about an alleged rape in his workplace

https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/02/25/a-complete-timeline-of-scott-morrison-not-knowing-about-an-alleged-rape-in-his-workplace/

So the office was steam cleaned before anything else happened.
NNnnn.

Both depressing and well worth reading.

Apart from anything else, isn’t steam cleaning a possible crime scene before the police have had a chance to investigate a serious criminal offence?

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Date: 26/02/2021 07:47:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1702466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

A complete timeline of Scott Morrison not knowing about an alleged rape in his workplace

https://www.thebigsmoke.com.au/2021/02/25/a-complete-timeline-of-scott-morrison-not-knowing-about-an-alleged-rape-in-his-workplace/

So the office was steam cleaned before anything else happened.
NNnnn.

Both depressing and well worth reading.

Apart from anything else, isn’t steam cleaning a possible crime scene before the police have had a chance to investigate a serious criminal offence?

Yes. It is known as interfering with a crime scene.

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Date: 26/02/2021 09:03:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

So the office was steam cleaned before anything else happened.
NNnnn.

Both depressing and well worth reading.

Apart from anything else, isn’t steam cleaning a possible crime scene before the police have had a chance to investigate a serious criminal offence?

Yes. It is known as interfering with a crime scene.

prove they knew a crime had been committed in that room.

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Date: 26/02/2021 09:05:51
From: Michael V
ID: 1702475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Both depressing and well worth reading.

Apart from anything else, isn’t steam cleaning a possible crime scene before the police have had a chance to investigate a serious criminal offence?

Yes. It is known as interfering with a crime scene.

prove they knew a crime had been committed in that room.

It seems that security had a pretty fair idea.

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Date: 26/02/2021 09:28:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702477
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Both depressing and well worth reading.

Apart from anything else, isn’t steam cleaning a possible crime scene before the police have had a chance to investigate a serious criminal offence?

Yes. It is known as interfering with a crime scene.

prove they knew a crime had been committed in that room.

‘It was a crime scene? You don’t say! Gee, what an unfortunate co-incidence!’

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Date: 26/02/2021 09:44:40
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702479
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. It is known as interfering with a crime scene.

prove they knew a crime had been committed in that room.

It seems that security had a pretty fair idea.

maybe, but as a security breach not as a sexual assault.

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Date: 26/02/2021 09:49:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1702486
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

prove they knew a crime had been committed in that room.

It seems that security had a pretty fair idea.

maybe, but as a security breach not as a sexual assault.

is that the new euphemism

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:00:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702492
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

prove they knew a crime had been committed in that room.

It seems that security had a pretty fair idea.

maybe, but as a security breach not as a sexual assault.

If one of both of the staffers had clearance to enter the Minister’s office, and directed security to let him/her/them in, then it’s not a security breach.

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:03:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702494
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

It seems that security had a pretty fair idea.

maybe, but as a security breach not as a sexual assault.

If one of both of the staffers had clearance to enter the Minister’s office, and directed security to let him/her/them in, then it’s not a security breach.

22 March 2019

Brittany Higgins, a young female advisor in the office of Defence Minister Linda Reynolds, is offered a lift home by a senior colleague after a night out drinking. Instead, he takes her to Parliament House, is let in by security, and allegedly rapes the near-comatose Higgins before leaving her in the office to be discovered, disoriented and dishevelled, by security the following morning.

Parliament House, whose guards were cool to let the couple in and then let the now-alone male staffer out without blinking an eye, declares this a security breach.

The Department of Finance calls in the cleaners to steam clean the ministers office for no particular reason on 23 March: a Sunday.

24 March 2019

Both Higgins and the alleged perpetrator are called into separate meetings over the security breach.

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:05:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1702495
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

maybe, but as a security breach not as a sexual assault.

If one of both of the staffers had clearance to enter the Minister’s office, and directed security to let him/her/them in, then it’s not a security breach.

22 March 2019

Brittany Higgins, a young female advisor in the office of Defence Minister Linda Reynolds, is offered a lift home by a senior colleague after a night out drinking. Instead, he takes her to Parliament House, is let in by security, and allegedly rapes the near-comatose Higgins before leaving her in the office to be discovered, disoriented and dishevelled, by security the following morning.

Parliament House, whose guards were cool to let the couple in and then let the now-alone male staffer out without blinking an eye, declares this a security breach.

The Department of Finance calls in the cleaners to steam clean the ministers office for no particular reason on 23 March: a Sunday.

24 March 2019

Both Higgins and the alleged perpetrator are called into separate meetings over the security breach.

what’s the correct interpretation of this then

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:08:15
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702498
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

If one of both of the staffers had clearance to enter the Minister’s office, and directed security to let him/her/them in, then it’s not a security breach.

22 March 2019

Brittany Higgins, a young female advisor in the office of Defence Minister Linda Reynolds, is offered a lift home by a senior colleague after a night out drinking. Instead, he takes her to Parliament House, is let in by security, and allegedly rapes the near-comatose Higgins before leaving her in the office to be discovered, disoriented and dishevelled, by security the following morning.

Parliament House, whose guards were cool to let the couple in and then let the now-alone male staffer out without blinking an eye, declares this a security breach.

The Department of Finance calls in the cleaners to steam clean the ministers office for no particular reason on 23 March: a Sunday.

24 March 2019

Both Higgins and the alleged perpetrator are called into separate meetings over the security breach.

what’s the correct interpretation of this then

not being there, and not having all the information, anyone here can only speculate.

I am just playing DA

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:22:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

22 March 2019

Brittany Higgins, a young female advisor in the office of Defence Minister Linda Reynolds, is offered a lift home by a senior colleague after a night out drinking. Instead, he takes her to Parliament House, is let in by security, and allegedly rapes the near-comatose Higgins before leaving her in the office to be discovered, disoriented and dishevelled, by security the following morning.

Parliament House, whose guards were cool to let the couple in and then let the now-alone male staffer out without blinking an eye, declares this a security breach.

The Department of Finance calls in the cleaners to steam clean the ministers office for no particular reason on 23 March: a Sunday.

24 March 2019

Both Higgins and the alleged perpetrator are called into separate meetings over the security breach.

what’s the correct interpretation of this then

not being there, and not having all the information, anyone here can only speculate.

I am just playing DA

Someone made the decision to have the office steam cleaned. It was seen as the most important thing to be getting on with.

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:35:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702507
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

what’s the correct interpretation of this then

not being there, and not having all the information, anyone here can only speculate.

I am just playing DA

Someone made the decision to have the office steam cleaned. It was seen as the most important thing to be getting on with.

maybe that person realised there had been sexual activity in the room and that for decency sake a good clean was in order.

“The AFP advised that there were no disclosures of sexual assault made by the complainant on the day of the incident and therefore actions taken by them (DPS) were not in response with a suspected crime”.

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:46:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702508
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sarahs mum said:

JudgeMental said:

not being there, and not having all the information, anyone here can only speculate.

I am just playing DA

Someone made the decision to have the office steam cleaned. It was seen as the most important thing to be getting on with.

maybe that person realised there had been sexual activity in the room and that for decency sake a good clean was in order.

“The AFP advised that there were no disclosures of sexual assault made by the complainant on the day of the incident and therefore actions taken by them (DPS) were not in response with a suspected crime”.

Someone.

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Date: 26/02/2021 10:58:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1702510
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sarahs mum said:

JudgeMental said:

not being there, and not having all the information, anyone here can only speculate.

I am just playing DA

Someone made the decision to have the office steam cleaned. It was seen as the most important thing to be getting on with.

maybe that person realised there had been sexual activity in the room and that for decency sake a good clean was in order.

“The AFP advised that there were no disclosures of sexual assault made by the complainant on the day of the incident and therefore actions taken by them (DPS) were not in response with a suspected crime”.

That’s what I assume has happened. Someone has been told about what transpired the night before, gone “ewww, get someone in there to clean it up stat, before the minister hears about it”.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:00:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702511
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

If one of both of the staffers had clearance to enter the Minister’s office, and directed security to let him/her/them in, then it’s not a security breach.

22 March 2019

Brittany Higgins, a young female advisor in the office of Defence Minister Linda Reynolds, is offered a lift home by a senior colleague after a night out drinking. Instead, he takes her to Parliament House, is let in by security, and allegedly rapes the near-comatose Higgins before leaving her in the office to be discovered, disoriented and dishevelled, by security the following morning.

Parliament House, whose guards were cool to let the couple in and then let the now-alone male staffer out without blinking an eye, declares this a security breach.

The Department of Finance calls in the cleaners to steam clean the ministers office for no particular reason on 23 March: a Sunday.

24 March 2019

Both Higgins and the alleged perpetrator are called into separate meetings over the security breach.

what’s the correct interpretation of this then

It’s a security breach when, but not until, it’s discovered that you bent the rules for some big-wig staffer?

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:02:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1702513
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sarahs mum said:

JudgeMental said:

not being there, and not having all the information, anyone here can only speculate.

I am just playing DA

Someone made the decision to have the office steam cleaned. It was seen as the most important thing to be getting on with.

maybe that person realised there had been sexual activity in the room and that for decency sake a good clean was in order.

“The AFP advised that there were no disclosures of sexual assault made by the complainant on the day of the incident and therefore actions taken by them (DPS) were not in response with a suspected crime”.

Convenient.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:05:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702514
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

sarahs mum said:

Someone made the decision to have the office steam cleaned. It was seen as the most important thing to be getting on with.

maybe that person realised there had been sexual activity in the room and that for decency sake a good clean was in order.

“The AFP advised that there were no disclosures of sexual assault made by the complainant on the day of the incident and therefore actions taken by them (DPS) were not in response with a suspected crime”.

Convenient.

I think I would want to wash the sheets if some strangers had had sex in my bed, but hey, that’s just me.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:07:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702515
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

I think I would want to wash the sheets if some strangers had had sex in my bed, but hey, that’s just me.

Certainly wouldn’t want any awkward bits of DNA and such hanging about.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:08:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702516
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

I think I would want to wash the sheets if some strangers had had sex in my bed, but hey, that’s just me.

Certainly wouldn’t want any awkward bits of DNA and such hanging about.

why would that matter? they know who was in the room.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:10:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702517
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

I think I would want to wash the sheets if some strangers had had sex in my bed, but hey, that’s just me.

Certainly wouldn’t want any awkward bits of DNA and such hanging about.

why would that matter? they know who was in the room.

But the various bits of DNA and umm…‘body fluids’ might indicate what happened in there.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:12:11
From: sibeen
ID: 1702518
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Certainly wouldn’t want any awkward bits of DNA and such hanging about.

why would that matter? they know who was in the room.

But the various bits of DNA and umm…‘body fluids’ might indicate what happened in there.

Yeah, and they didn’t want anybody sitting in it.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:14:00
From: Woodie
ID: 1702520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

why would that matter? they know who was in the room.

But the various bits of DNA and umm…‘body fluids’ might indicate what happened in there.

Yeah, and they didn’t want anybody sitting in it.

Yeah. The wet patch.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:14:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702521
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Certainly wouldn’t want any awkward bits of DNA and such hanging about.

why would that matter? they know who was in the room.

But the various bits of DNA and umm…‘body fluids’ might indicate what happened in there.

I think you actually need more evidence than that to indicate a rape took place. half naked woman, have a wank.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:16:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1702522
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

why would that matter? they know who was in the room.

But the various bits of DNA and umm…‘body fluids’ might indicate what happened in there.

Yeah, and they didn’t want anybody sitting in it.

Even if its true that the police had no reason to suspect any criminal activity, the Parliament House management and security certainly did, so I don’t think the cleaning can be dismissed as just standard practice.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:18:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702523
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

why would that matter? they know who was in the room.

But the various bits of DNA and umm…‘body fluids’ might indicate what happened in there.

I think you actually need more evidence than that to indicate a rape took place. half naked woman, have a wank.

Any evidence of sexual activity would cause a rape allegation to be taken ‘seriously’.

No such evidence makes such allegations less credible.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:18:50
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1702524
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ms Higgins didn’t happen to be wearing a blue dress, was she?

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:29:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702527
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Betoota Advocate:

‘Nation Just Glad PM’s Ministers And Staffers Thought To Tell Him About This Pandemic Thing’

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:32:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702528
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Betoota Advocate:

‘Nation Just Glad PM’s Ministers And Staffers Thought To Tell Him About This Pandemic Thing’

This also explains Sooty’s Hawaiian holiday.

He had no idea that half the nation was on fire at the time.

I bet that heads rolled when he got back. Imagine keeping the PM in the dark about such things!

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:42:34
From: buffy
ID: 1702531
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’d like to know how she got home in the end. If she was so terribly drunk and the security guys considered an ambulance for her…how did she get home and when? It’s unlikely she just got up and walked home.

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Date: 26/02/2021 11:43:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1702532
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


I’d like to know how she got home in the end. If she was so terribly drunk and the security guys considered an ambulance for her…how did she get home and when? It’s unlikely she just got up and walked home.

So many questions. After a rape, the police would prefer to examine the victim before she showers.

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Date: 26/02/2021 12:07:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702544
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Honest Government Ad | News Corp Bargaining Code
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqj2z3QaRyU

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Date: 26/02/2021 13:06:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702575
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

I’d like to know how she got home in the end. If she was so terribly drunk and the security guys considered an ambulance for her…how did she get home and when? It’s unlikely she just got up and walked home.

So many questions. After a rape, the police would prefer to examine the victim before she showers.

The L/NP preferred that they didn’t.

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Date: 26/02/2021 13:12:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702581
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Guardian Australia
posted a video to the playlist Jan Fran’s #TheFrant.
2 hrs ·
The Frant: Free Speech is Not Free
In the latest episode of #TheFrant for Guardian Australia, Jan Fran looks at the right to free speech on the internet, and why some of its biggest proponents are often the ones who try and curtail the speech of others… 🤔 CURIOUS!
Fun fact: we don’t actually have a right to freedom of speech in Australia.

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/videos/441566396913102

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Date: 26/02/2021 13:19:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1702588
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Guardian Australia
posted a video to the playlist Jan Fran’s #TheFrant.
2 hrs ·
The Frant: Free Speech is Not Free
In the latest episode of #TheFrant for Guardian Australia, Jan Fran looks at the right to free speech on the internet, and why some of its biggest proponents are often the ones who try and curtail the speech of others… 🤔 CURIOUS!
Fun fact: we don’t actually have a right to freedom of speech in Australia.

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/videos/441566396913102

Coincidentally I have been listening to Barbara Dane recently, and wondering why I never heard of her before.

Possibly because she was married to a communist activist, and wrote a song called “I hate the capitalist system”.

These things are not approved of in the land of the free.

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Date: 26/02/2021 16:10:57
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1702724
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 26/02/2021 16:19:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702735
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



Deserved.

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Date: 26/02/2021 16:21:57
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1702740
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:


Deserved.

I love Jane Gilmore.

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Date: 26/02/2021 19:10:02
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1702854
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/26/2021/1614314478/web-lies

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Date: 26/02/2021 19:16:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702856
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/26/2021/1614314478/web-lies

they are such awful people.

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Date: 26/02/2021 19:19:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1702857
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/26/2021/1614314478/web-lies

they are such awful people.

Right now, the ALP needs a strong leader.

One who can say to MPs and pre-selected candidates ‘i don’t give a shit what’s been ‘acceptable’ in the past. In the future, if you do anything like this, or try to conceal this sort of behaviour among your staff, i will gut you like a mullet and throw the remains to the media’.

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Date: 26/02/2021 19:27:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1702862
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/26/2021/1614314478/web-lies

they are such awful people.

Right now, the ALP needs a strong leader.

One who can say to MPs and pre-selected candidates ‘i don’t give a shit what’s been ‘acceptable’ in the past. In the future, if you do anything like this, or try to conceal this sort of behaviour among your staff, i will gut you like a mullet and throw the remains to the media’.

I don’t really like the feeling that Albanese is being pulled toward the right of party. But anything is better than what Canberra is doing these days. This is personal. I am having problems with the constant messaging that those on Soc Sec. are sinners and loafers. And I am having problems being told so by people who lie, cover up rapes, engage in widespread frauds and lock up children offshore for the cost of…I don’t know..you could do a lot with those monies.

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Date: 27/02/2021 10:12:01
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1703103
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/02/2021 10:18:58
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703105
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-27/governments-brittany-higgins-rape-allegations-black-ironies/13197574

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Date: 27/02/2021 10:19:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703106
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:



that guy with a beard looks like a leftist plant.

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Date: 27/02/2021 10:21:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1703107
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:



Nice work.

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Date: 27/02/2021 10:22:43
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1703108
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-27/governments-brittany-higgins-rape-allegations-black-ironies/13197574

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Date: 27/02/2021 10:27:10
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1703110
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.safework.nsw.gov.au/legal-obligations

Eventhough this link is from NSW the rules are pretty much harmonised Australia with the Exception of Vic which didn’t opt in to be harmonised nationally , having said that the rules do align for Notifiable incidents and injuries in a workplace

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Date: 27/02/2021 11:42:13
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703118
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/02/2021 14:19:50
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703185
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I don’t suppose anyone in Parliament thinks about my mental health. Not one bit. But they sure fuck around with it. I am constantly messaged about my unworthiness. Threats. Repercussions. Insults. As they display such bad bad morals. With no sad outcomes for them.

Increasingly everything I do is monitored. They have all my info. And yet they are protected. They have the security. They can lie through their teeth in the knowledge that all will be well.

That is today’s mournful cry. I hope they are reading.

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Date: 27/02/2021 14:44:21
From: Michael V
ID: 1703196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


I don’t suppose anyone in Parliament thinks about my mental health. Not one bit. But they sure fuck around with it. I am constantly messaged about my unworthiness. Threats. Repercussions. Insults. As they display such bad bad morals. With no sad outcomes for them.

Increasingly everything I do is monitored. They have all my info. And yet they are protected. They have the security. They can lie through their teeth in the knowledge that all will be well.

That is today’s mournful cry. I hope they are reading.

(((((sm)))))

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Date: 27/02/2021 14:48:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1703199
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

I don’t suppose anyone in Parliament thinks about my mental health. Not one bit. But they sure fuck around with it. I am constantly messaged about my unworthiness. Threats. Repercussions. Insults. As they display such bad bad morals. With no sad outcomes for them.

Increasingly everything I do is monitored. They have all my info. And yet they are protected. They have the security. They can lie through their teeth in the knowledge that all will be well.

That is today’s mournful cry. I hope they are reading.

(((((sm)))))

Hugs from here as well.

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Date: 27/02/2021 14:53:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703201
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I don’t suppose anyone in Parliament thinks about my mental health. Not one bit. But they sure fuck around with it. I am constantly messaged about my unworthiness. Threats. Repercussions. Insults. As they display such bad bad morals. With no sad outcomes for them.

Increasingly everything I do is monitored. They have all my info. And yet they are protected. They have the security. They can lie through their teeth in the knowledge that all will be well.

That is today’s mournful cry. I hope they are reading.

(((((sm)))))

Hugs from here as well.

Thanks to you both. My mournfulness extends to you guys too. We aren’t the enemy.

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Date: 27/02/2021 17:39:58
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1703287
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:03:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1703290
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



We need an addendum to the Constitution forbidding Prime Ministers from parading around in swimming togs.

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:16:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703292
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



I still reckon the timestamps are odd. convo on FB.

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:18:28
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1703294
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Divine Angel said:


I still reckon the timestamps are odd. convo on FB.

Huh, didn’t even notice. I was caught up in “who posts AAP in lower case letters?”

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:18:50
From: dv
ID: 1703295
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Divine Angel said:


I still reckon the timestamps are odd. convo on FB.

The reasons I think it’s real is:

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:20:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703296
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:


I still reckon the timestamps are odd. convo on FB.

Huh, didn’t even notice. I was caught up in “who posts AAP in lower case letters?”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9306003/Scott-Morrison-enjoys-Bronte-Beach-family-amid-parliament-sexual-assault-scandals.html

Uppercase on the story.

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:22:08
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1703298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Divine Angel said:

JudgeMental said:

I still reckon the timestamps are odd. convo on FB.

Huh, didn’t even notice. I was caught up in “who posts AAP in lower case letters?”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9306003/Scott-Morrison-enjoys-Bronte-Beach-family-amid-parliament-sexual-assault-scandals.html

Uppercase on the story.

Curiouser and curiouser.

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:23:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703299
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:


I still reckon the timestamps are odd. convo on FB.

The reasons I think it’s real is:

  • It still appears in the Google search results
  • it’s still in their damned URL
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9306003/Scott-Morrison-enjoys-Bronte-Beach-family-amid-parliament-sexual-assault-scandals.html

URLs aren’t always the headline word for word.

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:45:01
From: dv
ID: 1703304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

JudgeMental said:

I still reckon the timestamps are odd. convo on FB.

The reasons I think it’s real is:

  • It still appears in the Google search results
  • it’s still in their damned URL
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9306003/Scott-Morrison-enjoys-Bronte-Beach-family-amid-parliament-sexual-assault-scandals.html

URLs aren’t always the headline word for word.

That’s true enough but they are usually close.

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:46:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703306
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

The reasons I think it’s real is:

  • It still appears in the Google search results
  • it’s still in their damned URL
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9306003/Scott-Morrison-enjoys-Bronte-Beach-family-amid-parliament-sexual-assault-scandals.html

URLs aren’t always the headline word for word.

That’s true enough but they are usually close.

Yes, and the sub headings reflect that.

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Date: 27/02/2021 18:56:32
From: dv
ID: 1703308
Subject: re: Aust Politics

And if I google Scomo beach headline, the first thing in Google’s memory is this.

It’s ample evidence from multiple sources of a fundamentally non-extraordinary claim. It’s not as though it’s the most eyerolling headline we’ve seen in recent weeks.

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Date: 27/02/2021 19:04:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703309
Subject: re: Aust Politics

maybe a difference in the UK vs Aust headline.

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Date: 27/02/2021 19:07:56
From: dv
ID: 1703310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


maybe a difference in the UK vs Aust headline.

Well that’s interesting in itself!

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Date: 27/02/2021 19:08:15
From: dv
ID: 1703311
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Which would also explain the timing issue

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Date: 27/02/2021 19:09:11
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Which would also explain the timing issue

and scomo vs scott morrison.

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Date: 27/02/2021 20:13:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1703332
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

Which would also explain the timing issue

and scomo vs scott morrison.

A prophet gets no acclaim in his own land.

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Date: 27/02/2021 20:22:35
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703336
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/02/22/male-commentators-brittany-higgins/

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:23:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703378
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:28:07
From: dv
ID: 1703383
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



It was Captain Spud in the Drawing Room with Ministerial Immunity

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:34:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703388
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:


It was Captain Spud in the Drawing Room with Ministerial Immunity

Not my guess.

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:37:39
From: dv
ID: 1703389
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:


It was Captain Spud in the Drawing Room with Ministerial Immunity

Not my guess.

Seems they’re saying that the victim’s death precludes further investigation so I guess that’s just about that.

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:47:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1703392
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

It was Captain Spud in the Drawing Room with Ministerial Immunity

Not my guess.

Seems they’re saying that the victim’s death precludes further investigation so I guess that’s just about that.

Just read the latest update from ABC.

I don’t know what should be done about it, but just not talking about it any more doesn’t seem like a reasonable option to me.

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:49:39
From: dv
ID: 1703393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Not my guess.

Seems they’re saying that the victim’s death precludes further investigation so I guess that’s just about that.

Just read the latest update from ABC.

I don’t know what should be done about it, but just not talking about it any more doesn’t seem like a reasonable option to me.

I mean if they really don’t intend to investigate then it is probably unfair to name the accused. He’s never going to have his case tested so there’ll just be permanent suspicion.

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:58:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1703396
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Seems they’re saying that the victim’s death precludes further investigation so I guess that’s just about that.

Just read the latest update from ABC.

I don’t know what should be done about it, but just not talking about it any more doesn’t seem like a reasonable option to me.

I mean if they really don’t intend to investigate then it is probably unfair to name the accused. He’s never going to have his case tested so there’ll just be permanent suspicion.

There’ll be permanent suspicion anyway.

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Date: 27/02/2021 21:59:16
From: dv
ID: 1703397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just read the latest update from ABC.

I don’t know what should be done about it, but just not talking about it any more doesn’t seem like a reasonable option to me.

I mean if they really don’t intend to investigate then it is probably unfair to name the accused. He’s never going to have his case tested so there’ll just be permanent suspicion.

There’ll be permanent suspicion anyway.

Aye but it will be diffuse … spread among half the cabinet

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Date: 27/02/2021 22:00:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1703398
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I mean if they really don’t intend to investigate then it is probably unfair to name the accused. He’s never going to have his case tested so there’ll just be permanent suspicion.

There’ll be permanent suspicion anyway.

Aye but it will be diffuse … spread among half the cabinet

Maybe they could just name two or three ministers and tell us, “It’s one of them.”

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Date: 28/02/2021 09:33:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703503
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 28/02/2021 10:14:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703511
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I will never believe he did not know. I don’t believe others would dare to not tell him. If the perp has really left the country Dutton & Morrison should resign.

“The lack of curiosity and humanity shown by our Prime Minister over the past fortnight, following revelations of rape allegations in the nation’s capital, has been thoroughly disturbing. You get the sense that Scott Morrison sees this as a political problem first, a tragedy in need of reform second.

No less than three ministers were aware of the allegations before the PM was, and not one of them bothered to inform him. Morrison’s office was aware too, but apparently didn’t think the issue was important enough to tell the boss about it.

Apart from members of Morrison’s team who knew about the allegations for months and even years without informing the PM, when his office was formally told about them by the media ahead of the matter being made public, no one told the boss even then. Or so we are told.

According to the Prime Minister, he only found out about the alleged rape that occurred just metres from his private office in the parliament when they were posted online. It beggars belief.

Morrison’s office was formally told on the early afternoon of Friday, February 12 by news.com.au and The Project about allegations of rape in the ministerial wing of Parliament House but it didn’t pass that information on to the PM? The media reports went live on the morning of February 15 and that was the first Morrison knew of the matter?
We are supposed to believe that Morrison was kept in the dark between those times. Despite his office going back and forth with the journalists for days. At worst, the claim Morrison knew nothing is a lie. At best, it is incompetent or reveals that his team deliberately kept the PM in the dark, representative of a deeply dysfunctional office, or part of a don’t-ask, don’t-tell culture.

None of these options is acceptable.

Why hasn’t anyone in the PM’s office been summarily dismissed for rank incompetence? Can it be that they haven’t been because they did what was expected of them? As part of a don’t-ask, don’t-tell policy, implicitly or explicitly understood?

But it doesn’t stop there. Morrison has used the floor of parliament to refer to the alleged victim by her first name time and time again. An attempt to project a caring familiarity that belies how the victim feels about her treatment by the PM and others in the government. Brittany Higgins has released a statement accusing Morrison of victim blaming, yet still he disrespects her by calling her by her first name. She has asked that investigations into what his office knew are done independently, yet Morrison has commissioned his former political chief of staff, now head of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, to run the investigation. And he won’t even guarantee that the report is made public.

We’ve been down this road before, of course. The same thing happened when the sports rorts saga was at its zenith.
When the rape allegations first surfaced, the PM turned to a rhetorical device he’s used many times: he spoke to his wife, Jenny, and she really cleared things up for him, illuminating how serious the issue was. Putting it in a context he could understand: imagine if it happened to our girls. But this time that framing backfired. At the media conference one journalist asked what most were thinking: shouldn’t you, Prime Minister, have already come to that conclusion as a human being? Without having to get a moral steer from your wife. It was the perfect question, with the PM of course contesting its premise.

Then this week minister Peter Dutton referred to the “he said-she said” allegations. What a wordsmith. That came after it was revealed that last week the Prime Minister’s media team was spreading smears about the alleged victim’s now partner, suggesting her claims were somehow being coloured by his disaffection with the government. It was as grubby as you get. But that is how Team Morrison operates much of the time. It plays its politics hard and sees everything as a political issue.

Labor asked about it in the Senate, with Senate leader Simon Birmingham saying he’d check the veracity of such claims with the PM and report back. That happened this week, with Birmingham issuing a statement that Morrison was unaware of any such backgrounding.

As the person who revealed said backgrounding, I inquired directly with the PM’s director of communications, Andrew Carswell, if Morrison was unaware because of blissful ignorance, or if any effort had been made to find out if backgrounding of the nature alleged happened.

No response. It’s ironic how quickly the PM’s media team is to complain about stories it doesn’t like, but when it comes to answering awkward questions or even telling the boss about a Parliament House rape allegation, that urgency fades away.

Then we have the Defence Minister, who Higgins worked for at the time of the alleged rape, Linda Reynolds. After avoiding media appearances since the story surfaced, she skipped Wednesday’s National Press Club appearance (booked in well in advance) too, because of health issues.

There are plenty of questions she needs to answer, but near the top of the list surely is this: Reynolds has consistently claimed she did the right thing not passing on the allegations to the PM, yet the PM has said she was wrong to keep him in the dark about the allegations. Who is right, the minister or the Prime Minister? Because they can’t both be right.

Finally, for nearly two weeks now we’ve had to listen to Morrison and others claim that they were “empowering” the victim by not reporting the alleged sexual assault to police. To Treasurer Josh Frydenberg’s absolute credit, he rejected this view when he said if such an allegation were made in his office he’d report it to authorities.
By the end of this week we found out that the head of the Australian Federal Police has written to the PM warning that delays in reporting crimes can seriously damage investigations and such delays risk alleged perpetrators reoffending. A timely reminder of the consequences of the government’s woeful handling of this matter.

As far as slapdowns of a prime minister go, that one was right up there.

Peter van Onselen is a professor of politics and public policy at the University of Western Australia and Griffith University.

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Date: 28/02/2021 10:18:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703515
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

It plays its politics hard and sees everything as a political issue.

Peter van Onselen is a professor of politics and public policy at the University of Western Australia and Griffith University.

bullshit, we know that now is always not the time to play politics over any important issue

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Date: 28/02/2021 10:34:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1703520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

How Sooty ever got into marketing, with his obvious complete lack of ability to manage any difficult issue, or to put any positive ‘spin’ on anything at all, or even give the impression of a positive attitude, will be one of the great unanswered questions of the age.

On the other hand, the question of why he left marketing need not be asked at all.

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Date: 28/02/2021 10:42:39
From: Michael V
ID: 1703526
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



No, I don’t.

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Date: 28/02/2021 10:44:41
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1703527
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:


No, I don’t.

Depends on Sooty’s capacity to imagine that they’re his own daughters.

‘Oh, these lasses could never be my daughters, they’re the wrong colour.’

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Date: 28/02/2021 10:56:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1703537
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:


No, I don’t.

Depends on Sooty’s capacity to imagine that they’re his own daughters.

‘Oh, these lasses could never be my daughters, they’re the wrong colour.’

Yep, sadly this is the way it seems.

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Date: 28/02/2021 11:32:29
From: dv
ID: 1703548
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


How Sooty ever got into marketing, with his obvious complete lack of ability to manage any difficult issue, or to put any positive ‘spin’ on anything at all, or even give the impression of a positive attitude, will be one of the great unanswered questions of the age.

On the other hand, the question of why he left marketing need not be asked at all.

DID he leave marketing?

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Date: 28/02/2021 11:34:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1703551
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

How Sooty ever got into marketing, with his obvious complete lack of ability to manage any difficult issue, or to put any positive ‘spin’ on anything at all, or even give the impression of a positive attitude, will be one of the great unanswered questions of the age.

On the other hand, the question of why he left marketing need not be asked at all.

DID he leave marketing?

He got the sack at Tourism Australia so he did leave marketing, albeit involuntarily for a while at least.

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Date: 28/02/2021 12:10:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703556
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



100% yes

two white children really would be treated by this “government” as White Supremacists, racists & White Australia Politicians to be dog whistled to

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Date: 28/02/2021 12:12:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703557
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

How Sooty ever got into marketing, with his obvious complete lack of ability to manage any difficult issue, or to put any positive ‘spin’ on anything at all, or even give the impression of a positive attitude, will be one of the great unanswered questions of the age.

On the other hand, the question of why he left marketing need not be asked at all.

DID he leave marketing?

He got the sack at Tourism Australia so he did leave marketing, albeit involuntarily for a while at least.

clearly he was good at it, they gave him the sack and now Australia has hardly any tourists

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Date: 28/02/2021 12:40:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1703561
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

How Sooty ever got into marketing, with his obvious complete lack of ability to manage any difficult issue, or to put any positive ‘spin’ on anything at all, or even give the impression of a positive attitude, will be one of the great unanswered questions of the age.

On the other hand, the question of why he left marketing need not be asked at all.

DID he leave marketing?

Well, if he’s still at it, he hasn’t got any better at it.

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Date: 28/02/2021 13:26:52
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1703585
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

How Sooty ever got into marketing, with his obvious complete lack of ability to manage any difficult issue, or to put any positive ‘spin’ on anything at all, or even give the impression of a positive attitude, will be one of the great unanswered questions of the age.

On the other hand, the question of why he left marketing need not be asked at all.

DID he leave marketing?

He got the sack at Tourism Australia so he did leave marketing, albeit involuntarily for a while at least.

Only the best for Aus Politics…

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Date: 28/02/2021 13:33:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703586
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

DID he leave marketing?

He got the sack at Tourism Australia so he did leave marketing, albeit involuntarily for a while at least.

Only the best for Aus Politics…

And his job in NZ?

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Date: 28/02/2021 17:21:06
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1703689
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://medium.com/the-monthly/in-morrisons-government-a-lack-of-accountability-has-become-systemic-627413b31f43

https://noplaceforsheep.com/2021/02/28/the-morrison-government-is-a-sewer/

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Date: 28/02/2021 17:35:02
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1703690
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://medium.com/the-monthly/in-morrisons-government-a-lack-of-accountability-has-become-systemic-627413b31f43

https://noplaceforsheep.com/2021/02/28/the-morrison-government-is-a-sewer/

All we need now is a noose around his neck, everything else has been settled.

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Date: 28/02/2021 17:42:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1703692
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


JudgeMental said:

https://medium.com/the-monthly/in-morrisons-government-a-lack-of-accountability-has-become-systemic-627413b31f43

https://noplaceforsheep.com/2021/02/28/the-morrison-government-is-a-sewer/

All we need now is a noose around his neck, everything else has been settled.

He said he wasn’t keen on an early election.

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Date: 28/02/2021 21:52:22
From: buffy
ID: 1703811
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/more-federal-mps-aware-rape-allegation-before-revealed-to-public/13201522

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Date: 28/02/2021 21:55:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703813
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/more-federal-mps-aware-rape-allegation-before-revealed-to-public/13201522

So Why Didn’t They Say Anything

(yes yes we agree that if it’s gone to police already then it would be reasonable to expect that it’s gone up the chain… though apparently it didn’t)

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:03:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1703815
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/more-federal-mps-aware-rape-allegation-before-revealed-to-public/13201522

So Why Didn’t They Say Anything

(yes yes we agree that if it’s gone to police already then it would be reasonable to expect that it’s gone up the chain… though apparently it didn’t)

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:10:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703817
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/more-federal-mps-aware-rape-allegation-before-revealed-to-public/13201522

So Why Didn’t They Say Anything

(yes yes we agree that if it’s gone to police already then it would be reasonable to expect that it’s gone up the chain… though apparently it didn’t)

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:12:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1703819
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

So Why Didn’t They Say Anything

(yes yes we agree that if it’s gone to police already then it would be reasonable to expect that it’s gone up the chain… though apparently it didn’t)

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

Since when has Shorten been a minister in Scomo’s cabinet?

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:13:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703820
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

So Why Didn’t They Say Anything

(yes yes we agree that if it’s gone to police already then it would be reasonable to expect that it’s gone up the chain… though apparently it didn’t)

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

I was in grade 5 when we learned about parliament and politicians and such.

I don’t think it is a suitable topic for kiddies anymore.

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:14:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703821
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

Since when has Shorten been a minister in Scomo’s cabinet?

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:16:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1703824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

Since when has Shorten been a minister in Scomo’s cabinet?


Ah, I hadn’t heard that news. Buffy’s link is about the Liberal party minister.

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:17:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1703826
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

So Why Didn’t They Say Anything

(yes yes we agree that if it’s gone to police already then it would be reasonable to expect that it’s gone up the chain… though apparently it didn’t)

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

What were those accusations?

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:18:28
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1703828
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

What were those accusations?

Yeah…which accusations?

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:19:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703829
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I expect by this time next week we’ll know who it is.

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

What were those accusations?

I dunno. I was just adding what I had read to the rumourmongering.

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:19:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1703831
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

Since when has Shorten been a minister in Scomo’s cabinet?


And who is this rapist rumoured to be?

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:20:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703834
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In 2013, after being elected as leader of the Australian Labor Party, Shorten publicly identified himself as the senior ALP figure at the centre of an allegation of rape said to have occurred in 1986.

Bill Shorten – Wikipedia

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:25:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703838
Subject: re: Aust Politics

all right checking sources now but what seems to be laid out on some social media channels is that there were known allegations against Shorten (implying that if it was completely unknown, that would not be him)

and other places are raising at least one of the following names

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-alan-tudge/12862632

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:26:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1703842
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


In 2013, after being elected as leader of the Australian Labor Party, Shorten publicly identified himself as the senior ALP figure at the centre of an allegation of rape said to have occurred in 1986.

Bill Shorten – Wikipedia

Ta.

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:27:24
From: furious
ID: 1703843
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


all right checking sources now but what seems to be laid out on some social media channels is that there were known allegations against Shorten (implying that if it was completely unknown, that would not be him)

and other places are raising at least one of the following names

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-alan-tudge/12862632

I liked it better when the only issues were, which ones are Australian or not?

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:28:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703848
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


SCIENCE said:

all right checking sources now but what seems to be laid out on some social media channels is that there were known allegations against Shorten (implying that if it was completely unknown, that would not be him)

and other places are raising at least one of the following names

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-alan-tudge/12862632

I liked it better when the only issues were, which ones are Australian or not?

isn’t it UnAustralian to treat women people who menstruate fairly

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:29:08
From: Michael V
ID: 1703850
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


SCIENCE said:

all right checking sources now but what seems to be laid out on some social media channels is that there were known allegations against Shorten (implying that if it was completely unknown, that would not be him)

and other places are raising at least one of the following names

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-alan-tudge/12862632

I liked it better when the only issues were, which ones are Australian or not?

nods

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:29:59
From: dv
ID: 1703852
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

People on twitter saying it is the Shorten accusations that have previously been dismissed. But who knows?

Since when has Shorten been a minister in Scomo’s cabinet?


Shiteh

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:36:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703857
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Since when has Shorten been a minister in Scomo’s cabinet?


Shiteh

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:38:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703859
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:


Shiteh


Mr Porter announced his separation from his wife in January this year.

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:47:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1703866
Subject: re: Aust Politics

They all depress me so much. Except for Wilkie and a few of the Greens.

But mostly they are awful people who spend their time calling other people awful.

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Date: 28/02/2021 22:48:18
From: Michael V
ID: 1703869
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:


Shiteh


“From Perth, Porter attended Hale School, the University of Western Australia and later the London School of Economics, and practised law at Clayton Utz and taught law at the University of Western Australia before his election to parliament. “

Wiki.

Nothing is Sideney…

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Date: 28/02/2021 23:47:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1703941
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Shiteh


“From Perth, Porter attended Hale School, the University of Western Australia and later the London School of Economics, and practised law at Clayton Utz and taught law at the University of Western Australia before his election to parliament. “

Wiki.

Nothing is Sideney…

the Russian Trolls have already thought of that

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Date: 1/03/2021 10:41:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704051
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Recreational anglers call for government intervention as the Northern Land Council unveils a new registration requirement to fish Aboriginal waters in the Top End — and some spots will also for now be off-limits on the wishes of traditional owners.

Of course it is political ‘cause of the shooters fishers and farmers party.

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Date: 1/03/2021 11:17:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704061
Subject: re: Aust Politics

BonusKeeper

Qube Holdings paid out the largest executive dividends of any company that received the Jobkeeper subsidy – some $2.78 million. The company’s retiring CEO Maurice James was granted $2 million.

There is little evidence Qube, worth $5 billion, was eligible for Jobkeeper. A revenue drop of more than 50 per cent was required to be eligible. However, at the end of June 2020, Qube reported that its underlying revenue had increased 9 percent over the same period in 2019.

In the 2020 financial year (July 2019 to June 2020), Qube Holdings’ revenue was $1.9 billion.

As December 2019, halfway through the 2020 financial year, Qube Holdings had already made $957.3 million, just over half of Qube’s total profits for the year.

This means Qube saw nearly the exact same revenue in the two halves of FY 2020, despite supposedly being affected by Covid for four months in 2020.
How did Qube qualify for JobKeeper?

In an affidavit signed by Michael Sousa, a director at Qube Ports & Bulk, he says that he advised union officer Warren Smith that as of April 14 Qube was “working with Government to determine our eligibility but we did not believe that we met the criteria at that point. As a result, I explained the importance of engaging in the review.”

However, “On 16 April 2020, after lengthy discussions with the Department of Treasury and the Australian Taxation Office, it was determined that Qube would be eligible for the subsidy from April 2020 (meaning that Qube could claim Jobkeeper payments).”

more..
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bosskeeper-ports-giant-qube-bullies-its-way-into-jobkeeper-and-plush-bonuses/

meanwhile robodebt 2.

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Date: 1/03/2021 11:22:04
From: Michael V
ID: 1704064
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


BonusKeeper

Qube Holdings paid out the largest executive dividends of any company that received the Jobkeeper subsidy – some $2.78 million. The company’s retiring CEO Maurice James was granted $2 million.

There is little evidence Qube, worth $5 billion, was eligible for Jobkeeper. A revenue drop of more than 50 per cent was required to be eligible. However, at the end of June 2020, Qube reported that its underlying revenue had increased 9 percent over the same period in 2019.

In the 2020 financial year (July 2019 to June 2020), Qube Holdings’ revenue was $1.9 billion.

As December 2019, halfway through the 2020 financial year, Qube Holdings had already made $957.3 million, just over half of Qube’s total profits for the year.

This means Qube saw nearly the exact same revenue in the two halves of FY 2020, despite supposedly being affected by Covid for four months in 2020.
How did Qube qualify for JobKeeper?

In an affidavit signed by Michael Sousa, a director at Qube Ports & Bulk, he says that he advised union officer Warren Smith that as of April 14 Qube was “working with Government to determine our eligibility but we did not believe that we met the criteria at that point. As a result, I explained the importance of engaging in the review.”

However, “On 16 April 2020, after lengthy discussions with the Department of Treasury and the Australian Taxation Office, it was determined that Qube would be eligible for the subsidy from April 2020 (meaning that Qube could claim Jobkeeper payments).”

more..
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bosskeeper-ports-giant-qube-bullies-its-way-into-jobkeeper-and-plush-bonuses/

meanwhile robodebt 2.

Sad, eh…

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Date: 1/03/2021 11:29:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704067
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

BonusKeeper

Qube Holdings paid out the largest executive dividends of any company that received the Jobkeeper subsidy – some $2.78 million. The company’s retiring CEO Maurice James was granted $2 million.

There is little evidence Qube, worth $5 billion, was eligible for Jobkeeper. A revenue drop of more than 50 per cent was required to be eligible. However, at the end of June 2020, Qube reported that its underlying revenue had increased 9 percent over the same period in 2019.

In the 2020 financial year (July 2019 to June 2020), Qube Holdings’ revenue was $1.9 billion.

As December 2019, halfway through the 2020 financial year, Qube Holdings had already made $957.3 million, just over half of Qube’s total profits for the year.

This means Qube saw nearly the exact same revenue in the two halves of FY 2020, despite supposedly being affected by Covid for four months in 2020.
How did Qube qualify for JobKeeper?

In an affidavit signed by Michael Sousa, a director at Qube Ports & Bulk, he says that he advised union officer Warren Smith that as of April 14 Qube was “working with Government to determine our eligibility but we did not believe that we met the criteria at that point. As a result, I explained the importance of engaging in the review.”

However, “On 16 April 2020, after lengthy discussions with the Department of Treasury and the Australian Taxation Office, it was determined that Qube would be eligible for the subsidy from April 2020 (meaning that Qube could claim Jobkeeper payments).”

more..
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bosskeeper-ports-giant-qube-bullies-its-way-into-jobkeeper-and-plush-bonuses/

meanwhile robodebt 2.

Sad, eh…

Well we did vote for the party that robs us to pay their mates?

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Date: 1/03/2021 11:32:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704069
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

BonusKeeper

Qube Holdings paid out the largest executive dividends of any company that received the Jobkeeper subsidy – some $2.78 million. The company’s retiring CEO Maurice James was granted $2 million.

There is little evidence Qube, worth $5 billion, was eligible for Jobkeeper. A revenue drop of more than 50 per cent was required to be eligible. However, at the end of June 2020, Qube reported that its underlying revenue had increased 9 percent over the same period in 2019.

In the 2020 financial year (July 2019 to June 2020), Qube Holdings’ revenue was $1.9 billion.

As December 2019, halfway through the 2020 financial year, Qube Holdings had already made $957.3 million, just over half of Qube’s total profits for the year.

This means Qube saw nearly the exact same revenue in the two halves of FY 2020, despite supposedly being affected by Covid for four months in 2020.
How did Qube qualify for JobKeeper?

In an affidavit signed by Michael Sousa, a director at Qube Ports & Bulk, he says that he advised union officer Warren Smith that as of April 14 Qube was “working with Government to determine our eligibility but we did not believe that we met the criteria at that point. As a result, I explained the importance of engaging in the review.”

However, “On 16 April 2020, after lengthy discussions with the Department of Treasury and the Australian Taxation Office, it was determined that Qube would be eligible for the subsidy from April 2020 (meaning that Qube could claim Jobkeeper payments).”

more..
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bosskeeper-ports-giant-qube-bullies-its-way-into-jobkeeper-and-plush-bonuses/

meanwhile robodebt 2.

Sad, eh…

It’s worse than sad.

Time after time this govt shows us that they are not representing us at all. I’m really shook up by all of this.

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Date: 1/03/2021 11:33:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704070
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

BonusKeeper

Qube Holdings paid out the largest executive dividends of any company that received the Jobkeeper subsidy – some $2.78 million. The company’s retiring CEO Maurice James was granted $2 million.

There is little evidence Qube, worth $5 billion, was eligible for Jobkeeper. A revenue drop of more than 50 per cent was required to be eligible. However, at the end of June 2020, Qube reported that its underlying revenue had increased 9 percent over the same period in 2019.

In the 2020 financial year (July 2019 to June 2020), Qube Holdings’ revenue was $1.9 billion.

As December 2019, halfway through the 2020 financial year, Qube Holdings had already made $957.3 million, just over half of Qube’s total profits for the year.

This means Qube saw nearly the exact same revenue in the two halves of FY 2020, despite supposedly being affected by Covid for four months in 2020.
How did Qube qualify for JobKeeper?

In an affidavit signed by Michael Sousa, a director at Qube Ports & Bulk, he says that he advised union officer Warren Smith that as of April 14 Qube was “working with Government to determine our eligibility but we did not believe that we met the criteria at that point. As a result, I explained the importance of engaging in the review.”

However, “On 16 April 2020, after lengthy discussions with the Department of Treasury and the Australian Taxation Office, it was determined that Qube would be eligible for the subsidy from April 2020 (meaning that Qube could claim Jobkeeper payments).”

more..
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/bosskeeper-ports-giant-qube-bullies-its-way-into-jobkeeper-and-plush-bonuses/

meanwhile robodebt 2.

Sad, eh…

Well we did vote for the party that robs us to pay their mates?

Half of us did.

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Date: 1/03/2021 11:44:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704075
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/wa-property-developers-are-among-largest-political-donors/13198886

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:17:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704152
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:24:14
From: sibeen
ID: 1704153
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



What’s he supposed to do? There is no investigation in place and there isn’t going to be one.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:27:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704154
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:


What’s he supposed to do? There is no investigation in place and there isn’t going to be one.

I just post these to get a reaction. everybody knows nothing is going to happen. until, maybe, the next election.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:29:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704155
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:


What’s he supposed to do? There is no investigation in place and there isn’t going to be one.

I just post these to get a reaction. everybody knows nothing is going to happen. until, maybe, the next election.

If he stands him down, everyone will know who he is.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:31:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704156
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

What’s he supposed to do? There is no investigation in place and there isn’t going to be one.

I just post these to get a reaction. everybody knows nothing is going to happen. until, maybe, the next election.

If he stands him down, everyone will know who he is.

I think that’ll come out sooner or later anyway. and it is funny how mr porter’s wiki page is getting a ton of edits lately.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:32:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704157
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I just post these to get a reaction. everybody knows nothing is going to happen. until, maybe, the next election.

If he stands him down, everyone will know who he is.

I think that’ll come out sooner or later anyway. and it is funny how mr porter’s wiki page is getting a ton of edits lately.

I see. :)

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:32:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704158
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Friends of the woman who made the historical accusation of rape against a current Cabinet Minister speak up to urge Prime Minister Scott Morrison to hold an inquiry into the allegation.
Posted 6 minutes ago

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:33:54
From: party_pants
ID: 1704159
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

What’s he supposed to do? There is no investigation in place and there isn’t going to be one.

I just post these to get a reaction. everybody knows nothing is going to happen. until, maybe, the next election.

If he stands him down, everyone will know who he is.

Yeah, it is a bit of a dilemma ins’t it?

I think it needs the person in question to identify themselves. Fine if they want to deny the allegations and refuse to resign at the same time. Hiding the identity of the minister seems counter-productive, like they have something to hide.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:34:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704160
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I just post these to get a reaction. everybody knows nothing is going to happen. until, maybe, the next election.

If he stands him down, everyone will know who he is.

Yeah, it is a bit of a dilemma ins’t it?

I think it needs the person in question to identify themselves. Fine if they want to deny the allegations and refuse to resign at the same time. Hiding the identity of the minister seems counter-productive, like they have something to hide.

Even their monkeys have something to hide.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:41:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704161
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I just post these to get a reaction. everybody knows nothing is going to happen. until, maybe, the next election.

If he stands him down, everyone will know who he is.

I think that’ll come out sooner or later anyway. and it is funny how mr porter’s wiki page is getting a ton of edits lately.

And his wife left him.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:42:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704162
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

If he stands him down, everyone will know who he is.

I think that’ll come out sooner or later anyway. and it is funny how mr porter’s wiki page is getting a ton of edits lately.

And his wife left him.

She’s probably cursing herself for not doing it sooner.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:45:52
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1704163
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:48:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

And making out with a staffer in public.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:48:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Porter was 18 at the time and at uni in WA.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:49:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1704166
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

It seems like there is a group if people in politics and in the media that are out to get rid of a few male politicians. The FC things last year was just laying the groundwork.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:51:09
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704167
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

It seems like there is a group if people in politics and in the media that are out to get rid of a few male politicians. The FC things last year was just laying the groundwork.

Perhaps it could also be seen that there is a group of people who are saying is bloody enough.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:51:19
From: party_pants
ID: 1704168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

It seems like there is a group if people in politics and in the media that are out to get rid of a few male politicians. The FC things last year was just laying the groundwork.

.. and by “in politics” I mean within the Coalition, not the ALP or Greens.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:52:40
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1704169
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

It seems like there is a group if people in politics and in the media that are out to get rid of a few male politicians. The FC things last year was just laying the groundwork.

Perhaps it could also be seen that there is a group of people who are saying is bloody enough.

The KKK were a prime example of that.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:56:17
From: Tamb
ID: 1704170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

It seems like there is a group if people in politics and in the media that are out to get rid of a few male politicians. The FC things last year was just laying the groundwork.

.. and by “in politics” I mean within the Coalition, not the ALP or Greens.


The greens are so ineffectual that they would only be capable of attempted SH.

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Date: 1/03/2021 15:58:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

WA Liberal leader Zak Kirkup tells party faithful at an election campaign launch that he will take full ownership for whatever happens at this month’s election, admitting his decision to conceded defeat was “controversial and unconventional”.

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Date: 1/03/2021 16:06:28
From: party_pants
ID: 1704179
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


WA Liberal leader Zak Kirkup tells party faithful at an election campaign launch that he will take full ownership for whatever happens at this month’s election, admitting his decision to conceded defeat was “controversial and unconventional”.

It is just words these days. “Taking responsibility” used to be code for resigning and letting someone else more competent have a go. I can’t see him resigning as leader after the election, since he is only new to the job and was brought in because Lisa Harvey was horrible. Besides which, they might only be down to 5 or 6 members of the lower house, so there isn’t really anyone else to step in. Really he is there to try and save the furniture and rebuild the party for the following election.

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Date: 1/03/2021 16:06:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704180
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

Yeah they found out he was on the turps and kissing a girl in a bar.
Bob Hawke could have been on the turps and rooting a girl in a bar and the media wouldn’t have blinked an eye.

This could be a political sting.
Been sitting on it for a while, decided to activate it with an anonymous letter.
The timing.
An unresolvable issue that just keeps giving.
It’s not outside the bounds of possibility.

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Date: 1/03/2021 16:07:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

WA Liberal leader Zak Kirkup tells party faithful at an election campaign launch that he will take full ownership for whatever happens at this month’s election, admitting his decision to conceded defeat was “controversial and unconventional”.

It is just words these days. “Taking responsibility” used to be code for resigning and letting someone else more competent have a go. I can’t see him resigning as leader after the election, since he is only new to the job and was brought in because Lisa Harvey was horrible. Besides which, they might only be down to 5 or 6 members of the lower house, so there isn’t really anyone else to step in. Really he is there to try and save the furniture and rebuild the party for the following election.

Fair assessment.

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Date: 1/03/2021 16:17:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704186
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

WA Liberal leader Zak Kirkup tells party faithful at an election campaign launch that he will take full ownership for whatever happens at this month’s election, admitting his decision to conceded defeat was “controversial and unconventional”.

It is just words these days. “Taking responsibility” used to be code for resigning and letting someone else more competent have a go. I can’t see him resigning as leader after the election, since he is only new to the job and was brought in because Lisa Harvey was horrible. Besides which, they might only be down to 5 or 6 members of the lower house, so there isn’t really anyone else to step in. Really he is there to try and save the furniture and rebuild the party for the following election.

Fair assessment.

I don’t think he’ll have to resign, he only holds his seat by 1%

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Date: 1/03/2021 16:56:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704205
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Porter was 18 at the time and at uni in WA.

out of wa on the debating team at the time, so i believe.

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Date: 1/03/2021 16:57:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704207
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

Yeah they found out he was on the turps and kissing a girl in a bar.
Bob Hawke could have been on the turps and rooting a girl in a bar and the media wouldn’t have blinked an eye.

This could be a political sting.
Been sitting on it for a while, decided to activate it with an anonymous letter.
The timing.
An unresolvable issue that just keeps giving.
It’s not outside the bounds of possibility.

what the cabinet member accused of rape? LOL. it has been known for a few years.

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Date: 1/03/2021 16:57:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1704208
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Porter was 18 at the time and at uni in WA.

out of wa on the debating team at the time, so i believe.

Or so we are not allowed to debate on Wikipedia, whether he was or he wasn’t, anyway.

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Date: 1/03/2021 17:01:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Porter also has allegations of sexual harassment from ‘Four Corners’ last year.

Yeah they found out he was on the turps and kissing a girl in a bar.
Bob Hawke could have been on the turps and rooting a girl in a bar and the media wouldn’t have blinked an eye.

This could be a political sting.
Been sitting on it for a while, decided to activate it with an anonymous letter.
The timing.
An unresolvable issue that just keeps giving.
It’s not outside the bounds of possibility.

what the cabinet member accused of rape? LOL. it has been known for a few years.

No, his accusers.

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Date: 1/03/2021 17:06:12
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704218
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah they found out he was on the turps and kissing a girl in a bar.
Bob Hawke could have been on the turps and rooting a girl in a bar and the media wouldn’t have blinked an eye.

This could be a political sting.
Been sitting on it for a while, decided to activate it with an anonymous letter.
The timing.
An unresolvable issue that just keeps giving.
It’s not outside the bounds of possibility.

what the cabinet member accused of rape? LOL. it has been known for a few years.

No, his accusers.

LOL, so? it’s like you bringing up Bob Hawke after 40 years. I mean Shorten would have been at least within living memory.

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Date: 1/03/2021 19:43:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704288
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/03/01/cabinet-rape-allegations-what-next/

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:13:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1704299
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/03/01/cabinet-rape-allegations-what-next/

Good piece.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:36:20
From: dv
ID: 1704308
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Terry is of course a deadset legend in Qld: was crucial in the Fitzgerald Inquiry and criminal justice reform in the 1980s.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:39:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704309
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Terry is of course a deadset legend in Qld: was crucial in the Fitzgerald Inquiry and criminal justice reform in the 1980s.

and claims to be head of an organisation that doesn’t exist, Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:42:53
From: sibeen
ID: 1704310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

Terry is of course a deadset legend in Qld: was crucial in the Fitzgerald Inquiry and criminal justice reform in the 1980s.

and claims to be head of an organisation that doesn’t exist, Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Council_for_Civil_Liberties

It has a wiki page, albeit very brief.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:43:03
From: dv
ID: 1704311
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

Terry is of course a deadset legend in Qld: was crucial in the Fitzgerald Inquiry and criminal justice reform in the 1980s.

and claims to be head of an organisation that doesn’t exist, Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

I think he IS the Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

Otoh is still vice-president of the QCCL.
https://www.qccl.org.au/team-1

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:45:40
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Terry is of course a deadset legend in Qld: was crucial in the Fitzgerald Inquiry and criminal justice reform in the 1980s.

and claims to be head of an organisation that doesn’t exist, Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Council_for_Civil_Liberties

It has a wiki page, albeit very brief.

self referencing. gorman leads there, there leads to gorman. look elsewhere.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:46:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Terry is of course a deadset legend in Qld: was crucial in the Fitzgerald Inquiry and criminal justice reform in the 1980s.

and claims to be head of an organisation that doesn’t exist, Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

I think he IS the Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

Otoh is still vice-president of the QCCL.
https://www.qccl.org.au/team-1

yeah, him and him alone. no page and scant references to the organisation.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:47:55
From: sibeen
ID: 1704314
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

JudgeMental said:

and claims to be head of an organisation that doesn’t exist, Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Council_for_Civil_Liberties

It has a wiki page, albeit very brief.

self referencing. gorman leads there, there leads to gorman. look elsewhere.

I still agree with his point.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:56:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704315
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Council_for_Civil_Liberties

It has a wiki page, albeit very brief.

self referencing. gorman leads there, there leads to gorman. look elsewhere.

I still agree with his point.

some of it. that the alleged perp wasn’t in parliament is neither here nor there.
It is something that should be pursued.
and the final par is #whataboutism.

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Date: 1/03/2021 20:58:20
From: dv
ID: 1704316
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It’s a bit of a trick, actually, because there really did used to be an Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

“The Victorian Council for Civil Liberties (Liberty Victoria) has a long and proud history of campaigning for civil liberties and human rights for 80 years.
Officially known today as the Victorian Council for Civil Liberties Inc, and previously as the Australian Council for Civil Liberties (ACCL), its work has been driven by the skills and initiatives of active and dedicated volunteers.
The ACCL was established in Melbourne in 1936 by prominent citizens from areas including of law, art, writing and academia. It offered a means of expression to those people – across the political spectrum – who believed that social progress could be achieved only in an atmosphere of liberty.
John Bennett and Beatrice Faust launched the Victorian Council of Civil Liberties (VCCL) in 1966, incorporating a new generation of young activists and bi-partisan supporters in an agenda for law reform. “

So for TOG to attempt to singlehandedly grasp that mantle is a bit insolent.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:07:56
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1704317
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:12:54
From: dv
ID: 1704318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’ve gone ahead and put forward the ACCL page for deletion.
All due respect to Terry for his work but Wikipedia is not for hosting fake shit.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:13:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704319
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I’ve gone ahead and put forward the ACCL page for deletion.
All due respect to Terry for his work but Wikipedia is not for hosting fake shit.

Thanks.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:17:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



like

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:19:40
From: dv
ID: 1704321
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:


like

I’m pessimistic

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:29:31
From: dv
ID: 1704323
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If that doesn’t work, then I’ll simply replace the current stub with an article about the real historical ACCL.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:33:07
From: party_pants
ID: 1704325
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I might start up a Society of Australian Polygamists with myself as president.

Being a single and living alone shouldn’t be any obstacle.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:35:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1704328
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>Tit for tat allegations

One difference is that Shorten has publicly addressed the allegations against him.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:37:03
From: Rule 303
ID: 1704331
Subject: re: Aust Politics

O’gorman’s name rings a bell. I reckon I got some advice from him back in the early 90s when I rang the VCCL because the cops refused to destroy their records of my fingerprints. He was extremely helpful.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:38:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1704333
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I might start up a Society of Australian Polygamists with myself as president.

Being a single and living alone shouldn’t be any obstacle.

You could name yourself President of the Australian Federation of Ten-Toed Teetotallers.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:38:50
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704335
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

I might start up a Society of Australian Polygamists with myself as president.

Being a single and living alone shouldn’t be any obstacle.

You could name yourself President of the Australian Federation of Ten-Toed Teetotallers.

nine toed.

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Date: 1/03/2021 21:41:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1704337
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I might start up a Society of Australian Polygamists with myself as president.

Being a single and living alone shouldn’t be any obstacle.

You could name yourself President of the Australian Federation of Ten-Toed Teetotallers.

nine toed.

Ten-toed because having nine toes and being a drinker shouldn’t be an obstacle.

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Date: 2/03/2021 00:53:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704391
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>Morrison apparently knew that something needed to be done about the former Liberal Craig Kelly’s adviser Frank Zumbo (an aide who is now the subject of an apprehended violence order and allegations of inappropriate behaviour made by young interns, allegations which he denies) – although that didn’t come to a head until late last month.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/01/as-gut-wrenching-scandals-shake-the-government-scott-morrison-fumbles-when-he-should-lead

It worries me to find out that there have been lots of allegations about Zumbo but he has been visiting schools enthiusiastically and having his photo taken with kiddies and posting them on social media.
That’s not how it’s supposed to work right?

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Date: 2/03/2021 01:17:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1704400
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


>Morrison apparently knew that something needed to be done about the former Liberal Craig Kelly’s adviser Frank Zumbo (an aide who is now the subject of an apprehended violence order and allegations of inappropriate behaviour made by young interns, allegations which he denies) – although that didn’t come to a head until late last month.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/01/as-gut-wrenching-scandals-shake-the-government-scott-morrison-fumbles-when-he-should-lead

It worries me to find out that there have been lots of allegations about Zumbo but he has been visiting schools enthiusiastically and having his photo taken with kiddies and posting them on social media.
That’s not how it’s supposed to work right?

They’re Just Allegations

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Date: 2/03/2021 10:20:34
From: dv
ID: 1704455
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 2/03/2021 10:23:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1704456
Subject: re: Aust Politics

don’t worry it’s all just egregious marketing bullshitartistry so that we’re even less shocked at their next indiscretion fucking abuse of power

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Date: 2/03/2021 10:26:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


don’t worry it’s all just egregious marketing bullshitartistry so that we’re even less shocked at their next indiscretion fucking abuse of power

“Look over there”.

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Date: 2/03/2021 10:46:46
From: Michael V
ID: 1704485
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



:)

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Date: 2/03/2021 11:30:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1704520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Betoota Advocate:

‘Jesus Phones Scott To Remind Him That He’s Being A Pretty Shithouse Christian Right Now’

Which is to be expected, i suppose. Sooty adheres to a church which used to be run by a paedophile, so…

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Date: 2/03/2021 12:17:45
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1704556
Subject: re: Aust Politics

And people wonder why sexual assault victims don’t speak up.

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Date: 2/03/2021 12:19:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704558
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Aurelia?

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:10:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704615
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Guess who’s paying Rupert; it’s not Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCdUgXAoC4

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:22:22
From: transition
ID: 1704626
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Guess who’s paying Rupert; it’s not Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCdUgXAoC4

watched that, quite good, and that’s where it’s at, surveillance capitalism as he called it

you’d be surprised the amount of activity out there right this moment, billions invested, some of it evident in your browser if you could see it, companies harvesting data about people and much of it under cover of protecting privacy, and other things, wonderful things

they love you, want you to buy stuff

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:29:50
From: Cymek
ID: 1704629
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


sarahs mum said:

Guess who’s paying Rupert; it’s not Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCdUgXAoC4

watched that, quite good, and that’s where it’s at, surveillance capitalism as he called it

you’d be surprised the amount of activity out there right this moment, billions invested, some of it evident in your browser if you could see it, companies harvesting data about people and much of it under cover of protecting privacy, and other things, wonderful things

they love you, want you to buy stuff

Advertising on the internet is the pits, its invasive and annoying to say they least
It’s actually quite rude in the way it obscures what you are trying to read/view and has fake buttons that prevent the ad being closed or go to another ad instead of the article (which itself is set up to maximise advertising)

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:33:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704631
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Guess who’s paying Rupert; it’s not Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCdUgXAoC4

watched that, quite good, and that’s where it’s at, surveillance capitalism as he called it

you’d be surprised the amount of activity out there right this moment, billions invested, some of it evident in your browser if you could see it, companies harvesting data about people and much of it under cover of protecting privacy, and other things, wonderful things

they love you, want you to buy stuff

Advertising on the internet is the pits, its invasive and annoying to say they least
It’s actually quite rude in the way it obscures what you are trying to read/view and has fake buttons that prevent the ad being closed or go to another ad instead of the article (which itself is set up to maximise advertising)

It has always peeved me.
I don’t use the internet to see ads.
They pervade my very existence at all levels otherwise.
Why would I connect to the internet to see more of them for?

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:35:01
From: Cymek
ID: 1704632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

transition said:

watched that, quite good, and that’s where it’s at, surveillance capitalism as he called it

you’d be surprised the amount of activity out there right this moment, billions invested, some of it evident in your browser if you could see it, companies harvesting data about people and much of it under cover of protecting privacy, and other things, wonderful things

they love you, want you to buy stuff

Advertising on the internet is the pits, its invasive and annoying to say they least
It’s actually quite rude in the way it obscures what you are trying to read/view and has fake buttons that prevent the ad being closed or go to another ad instead of the article (which itself is set up to maximise advertising)

It has always peeved me.
I don’t use the internet to see ads.
They pervade my very existence at all levels otherwise.
Why would I connect to the internet to see more of them for?

Exactly, they need revenue to run OK fair enough but are coded to make the website almost unreadable

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:40:03
From: transition
ID: 1704641
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Guess who’s paying Rupert; it’s not Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCdUgXAoC4

watched that, quite good, and that’s where it’s at, surveillance capitalism as he called it

you’d be surprised the amount of activity out there right this moment, billions invested, some of it evident in your browser if you could see it, companies harvesting data about people and much of it under cover of protecting privacy, and other things, wonderful things

they love you, want you to buy stuff

Advertising on the internet is the pits, its invasive and annoying to say they least
It’s actually quite rude in the way it obscures what you are trying to read/view and has fake buttons that prevent the ad being closed or go to another ad instead of the article (which itself is set up to maximise advertising)

I don’t mind adverts, it’s the war in my browser that perhaps tells more of what’s going on, indicating the level and extent of the subterfuge out there

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:40:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704642
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Guess who’s paying Rupert; it’s not Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCdUgXAoC4

watched that, quite good, and that’s where it’s at, surveillance capitalism as he called it

you’d be surprised the amount of activity out there right this moment, billions invested, some of it evident in your browser if you could see it, companies harvesting data about people and much of it under cover of protecting privacy, and other things, wonderful things

they love you, want you to buy stuff

Advertising on the internet is the pits, its invasive and annoying to say they least
It’s actually quite rude in the way it obscures what you are trying to read/view and has fake buttons that prevent the ad being closed or go to another ad instead of the article (which itself is set up to maximise advertising)

Also the flashing ads. I report them. Because they upset me.

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:54:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704660
Subject: re: Aust Politics

casandra angela
@ashamedaustrali
As many saying it was Christian Porter after many tears & vomiting I am revealing what I have been to ashamed to speak of in 53 years I was anal raped by ex Hale School boy who said “continuing my right of passage” Porter went to Hale School
8:18 PM · Feb 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
778 Retweets
116 Quote Tweets
3,325 Likes

https://twitter.com/ashamedaustrali/status/1365954427769659397?fbclid=IwAR3XbmRFTg7mscAYkh4QdcfdW1w1A5qQhwN0bhQOHmEJHvgxyaCnoYopfas

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:57:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704662
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


casandra angela
@ashamedaustrali
As many saying it was Christian Porter after many tears & vomiting I am revealing what I have been to ashamed to speak of in 53 years I was anal raped by ex Hale School boy who said “continuing my right of passage” Porter went to Hale School
8:18 PM · Feb 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
778 Retweets
116 Quote Tweets
3,325 Likes

https://twitter.com/ashamedaustrali/status/1365954427769659397?fbclid=IwAR3XbmRFTg7mscAYkh4QdcfdW1w1A5qQhwN0bhQOHmEJHvgxyaCnoYopfas

Porter is 51.

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Date: 2/03/2021 13:58:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704663
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

casandra angela
@ashamedaustrali
As many saying it was Christian Porter after many tears & vomiting I am revealing what I have been to ashamed to speak of in 53 years I was anal raped by ex Hale School boy who said “continuing my right of passage” Porter went to Hale School
8:18 PM · Feb 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
778 Retweets
116 Quote Tweets
3,325 Likes

https://twitter.com/ashamedaustrali/status/1365954427769659397?fbclid=IwAR3XbmRFTg7mscAYkh4QdcfdW1w1A5qQhwN0bhQOHmEJHvgxyaCnoYopfas

Porter is 51.

Area 51?

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Date: 2/03/2021 14:05:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1704667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

casandra angela
@ashamedaustrali
As many saying it was Christian Porter after many tears & vomiting I am revealing what I have been to ashamed to speak of in 53 years I was anal raped by ex Hale School boy who said “continuing my right of passage” Porter went to Hale School
8:18 PM · Feb 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
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Porter is 51.

I think she is implying that there was a thing about doing an anal rape to be in the club. ie we might be looking at many rapes emanating from that source.

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Date: 2/03/2021 14:07:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704669
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

casandra angela
@ashamedaustrali
As many saying it was Christian Porter after many tears & vomiting I am revealing what I have been to ashamed to speak of in 53 years I was anal raped by ex Hale School boy who said “continuing my right of passage” Porter went to Hale School
8:18 PM · Feb 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
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https://twitter.com/ashamedaustrali/status/1365954427769659397?fbclid=IwAR3XbmRFTg7mscAYkh4QdcfdW1w1A5qQhwN0bhQOHmEJHvgxyaCnoYopfas

Porter is 51.

I think she is implying that there was a thing about doing an anal rape to be in the club. ie we might be looking at many rapes emanating from that source.

Look I have numerous tales to tell of life in Christian boarding schools and the uncle Ernies in nightshirts.

Suffice to say, the practice is not a rare thing. Far more like commonplace.

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Date: 2/03/2021 14:19:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1704679
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Porter is 51.

I think she is implying that there was a thing about doing an anal rape to be in the club. ie we might be looking at many rapes emanating from that source.

Look I have numerous tales to tell of life in Christian boarding schools and the uncle Ernies in nightshirts.

Suffice to say, the practice is not a rare thing. Far more like commonplace.

o’c‘m’on, really everyone was doing it, everyone did it, it’s just what people did, boys will be boys, there’s no harm in a little anal rape

⚠ we mean no wait CHINA wants to anal swab your children, it’s WRONG, all things anal are wrong

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Date: 2/03/2021 14:58:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704723
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

casandra angela
@ashamedaustrali
As many saying it was Christian Porter after many tears & vomiting I am revealing what I have been to ashamed to speak of in 53 years I was anal raped by ex Hale School boy who said “continuing my right of passage” Porter went to Hale School
8:18 PM · Feb 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
778 Retweets
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https://twitter.com/ashamedaustrali/status/1365954427769659397?fbclid=IwAR3XbmRFTg7mscAYkh4QdcfdW1w1A5qQhwN0bhQOHmEJHvgxyaCnoYopfas

Porter is 51.

LOL.

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:27:20
From: dv
ID: 1704918
Subject: re: Aust Politics

(Grits teeth)

Don’t make me say something good about ACA

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:29:16
From: Cymek
ID: 1704920
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


(Grits teeth)

Don’t make me say something good about ACA

The reporters are reasonably good joggers when they chase people down the street

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:29:24
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1704921
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:30:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704922
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


dv said:

(Grits teeth)

Don’t make me say something good about ACA

The reporters are reasonably good joggers when they chase people down the street

They are living up to chasing the story.

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:30:53
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704924
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



I bet that cabient minister is not happy.

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:34:49
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1704925
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Divine Angel said:


I bet that cabient minister is not happy.

Other tweets claim the minister has spoken to bigshot defamation lawyers before the reveal tomorrow.

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:37:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704926
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:


I bet that cabient minister is not happy.

Other tweets claim the minister has spoken to bigshot defamation lawyers before the reveal tomorrow.

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:37:58
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1704927
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/cabinet-minister-anonymous-letter-allegation-to-speak/13208284

“ Some worry the man will face trial by media and will be denied natural justice, while others recognise that the crisis, which comes after a fortnight of intense discussion about the workplace culture in Parliament House, has the potential to damage the standing of the Cabinet in the community.”

Popcorn! Get your popcorn here!

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:39:16
From: Cymek
ID: 1704929
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If they can run online sting operations to catch child sex offenders I wonder if they could do the same for illegal/banned extremist groups, attempt to recruit and met and then either arrest them or at least keep an eye on them. I imagine they keep an eye on such groups anyway but not actively create one to catch people

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:39:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1704930
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/photo-emerges-of-alleged-rape-victim-and-minister-on-night-of-claimed-incident/news-story/b4cec5893213beea0d67967075284bbf

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/02/2021/1614659835/untenable

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:40:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I bet that cabient minister is not happy.

Other tweets claim the minister has spoken to bigshot defamation lawyers before the reveal tomorrow.


Look, people should leave the PM alone, I think his had enough of rouge liberal members, probably deserves a holiday now.

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:41:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1704933
Subject: re: Aust Politics

‘Untenable’
Voices describing the government’s position as untenable are mounting

Might mean Nine has exclusive coverage.

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Date: 2/03/2021 18:44:03
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


‘Untenable’
Voices describing the government’s position as untenable are mounting

Might mean Nine has exclusive coverage.

We can thank the rouge liberal members. Lots of them it seems.

Gee, there’s so many now it may cause an early election.

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Date: 2/03/2021 19:06:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704942
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


‘Untenable’
Voices describing the government’s position as untenable are mounting

Might mean Nine has exclusive coverage.

Good one, pilgrim.

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Date: 2/03/2021 19:11:16
From: Ian
ID: 1704944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 2/03/2021 19:14:25
From: party_pants
ID: 1704946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/cabinet-minister-anonymous-letter-allegation-to-speak/13208284

“ Some worry the man will face trial by media and will be denied natural justice, while others recognise that the crisis, which comes after a fortnight of intense discussion about the workplace culture in Parliament House, has the potential to damage the standing of the Cabinet in the community.”

Popcorn! Get your popcorn here!

I expect nothing will be resolved tomorrow.

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Date: 2/03/2021 19:59:59
From: dv
ID: 1704966
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Talcum calling for an inquest into the death…

Is he suggesting it may not have been a suicide?

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Date: 2/03/2021 20:02:16
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1704967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Talcum calling for an inquest into the death…

Is he suggesting it may not have been a suicide?

That has been put forward. but not much support.

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Date: 2/03/2021 20:05:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704968
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Talcum calling for an inquest into the death…

Is he suggesting it may not have been a suicide?

Yep.
Also on a side issue, the journos are all saying the nsw cops called off the investigation because the woman died.
Surly they would have called off the investigation because she told them that she didn’t wish to proceed?

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:19:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705021
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This bloke could slot right in with the L/NP in Canberra:

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:21:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1705022
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


This bloke could slot right in with the L/NP in Canberra:


“one rule for the plebs…” etc

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:24:13
From: sibeen
ID: 1705024
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


This bloke could slot right in with the L/NP in Canberra:


I don’t like being cought. It’s embarrassing.

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:33:24
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705029
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


captain_spalding said:

This bloke could slot right in with the L/NP in Canberra:


I don’t like being cought. It’s embarrassing.

ahem.

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:35:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705030
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

This bloke could slot right in with the L/NP in Canberra:


I don’t like being cought. It’s embarrassing.

ahem.

probably better than being snipht

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:51:24
From: dv
ID: 1705035
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


captain_spalding said:

This bloke could slot right in with the L/NP in Canberra:


I don’t like being cought. It’s embarrassing.

Classical past tense of cough

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:53:01
From: sibeen
ID: 1705036
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

This bloke could slot right in with the L/NP in Canberra:


I don’t like being cought. It’s embarrassing.

Classical past tense of cough

I did note that :)

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Date: 2/03/2021 22:59:12
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705039
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I don’t like being cought. It’s embarrassing.

Classical past tense of cough

I did note that :)

still makes no sense.

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Date: 2/03/2021 23:04:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705043
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

Classical past tense of cough

I did note that :)

still makes no sense.

We were talking about the L/NP,. and you’re surprised that something doesn’t make sense?

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Date: 3/03/2021 00:09:34
From: Ian
ID: 1705077
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 3/03/2021 00:12:50
From: Michael V
ID: 1705080
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:



Uh-oh.

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Date: 3/03/2021 08:48:20
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

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Date: 3/03/2021 08:49:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705100
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

Classic defence stance. After all he’s spent 33 years building a career since then. He won’t be wanting to lose it.

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Date: 3/03/2021 08:51:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705101
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Divine Angel said:

So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

Classic defence stance. After all he’s spent 33 years building a career since then. He won’t be wanting to lose it.

Sources within the government say the minister is likely to break his silence today to make a statement and take several questions from journalists.

It is understood he will not step down and will strongly deny any wrongdoing.

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Date: 3/03/2021 08:55:38
From: Michael V
ID: 1705102
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

If I bet against you, I am very, very likely to lose. So I won’t.

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Date: 3/03/2021 08:57:55
From: buffy
ID: 1705103
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/friends-of-woman-rape-allegation-speak-out-four-corners/13202330

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Date: 3/03/2021 08:59:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705104
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Divine Angel said:

So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/friends-of-woman-rape-allegation-speak-out-four-corners/13202330

If the bastard denies his crime or attempts to expunge it, he’ll be punished by his electorate anyway.

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Date: 3/03/2021 09:06:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705108
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/friends-of-woman-rape-allegation-speak-out-four-corners/13202330

If the bastard denies his crime or attempts to expunge it, he’ll be punished by his electorate anyway.

Depends on the electorate. There’s some that’d vote Heinrich Himmler in before they’d vote for a ‘radical’.

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Date: 3/03/2021 09:09:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705109
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/friends-of-woman-rape-allegation-speak-out-four-corners/13202330

If the bastard denies his crime or attempts to expunge it, he’ll be punished by his electorate anyway.

Depends on the electorate. There’s some that’d vote Heinrich Himmler in before they’d vote for a ‘radical’.

True enough but if the girl in question who took her life is to be believed, then 33 years is a long time to be lied to and this may well shift an electorate.

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Date: 3/03/2021 09:32:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1705112
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

But, wouldn’t that be unChristian?

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Date: 3/03/2021 09:38:00
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705113
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

won’t win him any friends going down that track.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:04:54
From: Arts
ID: 1705118
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“If staff are there checking for bananas, tomatoes and avocados, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have other staff there checking and stopping meth, heroin and cocaine” Marky McG.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:06:35
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705119
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


“If staff are there checking for bananas, tomatoes and avocados, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have other staff there checking and stopping meth, heroin and cocaine” Marky McG.

dogs for each.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:15:41
From: Arts
ID: 1705122
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Arts said:

“If staff are there checking for bananas, tomatoes and avocados, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have other staff there checking and stopping meth, heroin and cocaine” Marky McG.

dogs for each.

that’s your solution for everything!

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:23:18
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705125
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


So this minister… ten bucks says he’ll blame the victim; she was unstable, clearly mentally ill, obsessed with him etc. She’s dead, can’t defend herself, he will absolutely be on the attack.

I think we’re already extending the whole damn lot of them enormous generousity of opinion to assume they’re not all guilty of historical sexual assaults.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:26:17
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705126
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Apparently his press conference is the same time Australian of the Year Grace Tame will be addressing the Press Club about sexual assault.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:26:48
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705127
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I see Sarah Hanson-Young has cleaned up David Leyonhjelm again.

Good.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:37:13
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705130
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:38:09
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705132
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


I see Sarah Hanson-Young has cleaned up David Leyonhjelm again.

Good.

Reading about Ms Hanson-Young led me to this gem. My favourite part is “their case had more holes than Snow White’s hymen”. He sure seems like a real top bloke.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:40:56
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705133
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Rule 303 said:

I see Sarah Hanson-Young has cleaned up David Leyonhjelm again.

Good.

Reading about Ms Hanson-Young led me to this gem. My favourite part is “their case had more holes than Snow White’s hymen”. He sure seems like a real top bloke.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

Oh yeah, hell of a nice guy.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:51:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705137
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Rule 303 said:

I see Sarah Hanson-Young has cleaned up David Leyonhjelm again.

Good.

Reading about Ms Hanson-Young led me to this gem. My favourite part is “their case had more holes than Snow White’s hymen”. He sure seems like a real top bloke.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

Funnily enough I was reading that very post last night as well.

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:53:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705138
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

“If staff are there checking for bananas, tomatoes and avocados, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have other staff there checking and stopping meth, heroin and cocaine” Marky McG.

dogs for each.

that’s your solution for everything!

Dogs for everyone!

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Date: 3/03/2021 10:55:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705140
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Apparently his press conference is the same time Australian of the Year Grace Tame will be addressing the Press Club about sexual assault.

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:33:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705170
Subject: re: Aust Politics


A Victorian Parliament report recommends Nazi symbols be banned from public display and calls for new laws to strengthen the powers of police and other agencies to investigate and prosecute racial vilification.

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:34:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


“If staff are there checking for bananas, tomatoes and avocados, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have other staff there checking and stopping meth, heroin and cocaine” Marky McG.

In Canberra?

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:36:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705172
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Arts said:

“If staff are there checking for bananas, tomatoes and avocados, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have other staff there checking and stopping meth, heroin and cocaine” Marky McG.

In Canberra?

Well it should be done there as well.

More dogs.

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:38:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705173
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

“If staff are there checking for bananas, tomatoes and avocados, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have other staff there checking and stopping meth, heroin and cocaine” Marky McG.

In Canberra?

Well it should be done there as well.

More dogs.

Canberra is cocaine capital according to the sewerage tests.

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:41:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

In Canberra?

Well it should be done there as well.

More dogs.

Canberra is cocaine capital according to the sewerage tests.

Wonders if they really needed to test the sewage?

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:42:38
From: Cymek
ID: 1705177
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

In Canberra?

Well it should be done there as well.

More dogs.

Canberra is cocaine capital according to the sewerage tests.

Isn’t everything once banned given the green light in Canberra first and often not extended to other states

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:13:24
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705183
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

Nazi symbols be banned from public display and calls for new laws to strengthen the powers of police and other agencies to investigate and prosecute racial vilification.

Good.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:15:34
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705184
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:17:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705187
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

We all reckon it is that Christian fellow in portation.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:19:24
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705191
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

I don’t know who’s in the running. Media Watch said his name was a trending topic on Twitter over the weekend but I didn’t see anything.

Sucks to be the other fifteen male Cabinet Ministers though, they’re all tarred with the same brush until the accused speaks out.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:20:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705194
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Rule 303 said:

Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

I don’t know who’s in the running. Media Watch said his name was a trending topic on Twitter over the weekend but I didn’t see anything.

Sucks to be the other fifteen male Cabinet Ministers though, they’re all tarred with the same brush until the accused speaks out.

That’s why they are pushing him towards the podium.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:21:16
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

David Leyonhjelm loses appeal bid, must pay $120,000 for defaming Sarah Hanson-Young

Good news.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:22:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705197
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5AAscy7qbI

‘A rapist in your path’

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:22:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705198
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


David Leyonhjelm loses appeal bid, must pay $120,000 for defaming Sarah Hanson-Young

Good news.

They always said, make good use of your good looks while they last.

If such things can draw creepy crawlies froom their hiding places so they can be stepped on, all the better.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:24:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705200
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Rule 303 said:

Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5AAscy7qbI

‘A rapist in your path’

Something thankfully, I can never be accused of.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:25:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705203
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

Are you the last to know?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:26:48
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705205
Subject: re: Aust Politics

An account of the rape situation. Names have been changed.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/03/01/rape-allegation-cabinet-minister/

Trigger warning: it’s a harrowing read.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:27:31
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705206
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Rule 303 said:

Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5AAscy7qbI

‘A rapist in your path’

Yeah nice.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:27:37
From: btm
ID: 1705207
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


roughbarked said:
Nazi symbols be banned from public display and calls for new laws to strengthen the powers of police and other agencies to investigate and prosecute racial vilification.

Good.

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:28:37
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705208
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Rule 303 said:

Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

Are you the last to know?

Nope, I am.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:29:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

Is anyone running a book on which member (by which I mean prick) of the coalition is in the hot seat?

Are you the last to know?

Nope, I am.

It is all speculation. A minister from the cabinet will shortly announce that it is all hyperbole.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:30:26
From: sibeen
ID: 1705212
Subject: re: Aust Politics

btm said:


Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:
Nazi symbols be banned from public display and calls for new laws to strengthen the powers of police and other agencies to investigate and prosecute racial vilification.

Good.

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:31:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705215
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


btm said:

Rule 303 said:

Good.

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

Well if you painted it black in a white circle against a background of red?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:32:26
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

btm said:


Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:
Nazi symbols be banned from public display and calls for new laws to strengthen the powers of police and other agencies to investigate and prosecute racial vilification.

Good.

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

maybe context will be looked at.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:34:02
From: furious
ID: 1705218
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


btm said:

Rule 303 said:

Good.

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:34:57
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705219
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


sibeen said:

btm said:

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…

is there a problem with that in germany?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:36:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705220
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


sibeen said:

btm said:

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:36:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705221
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


furious said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…

is there a problem with that in germany?

Not that I have noticed.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:37:22
From: Cymek
ID: 1705222
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


btm said:

Rule 303 said:

Good.

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

Certain symbols representing repressive regimes in fiction are designed to look similar to Nazi symbols

Unlikely but computer games have Nazis in them and could be played in public

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:37:32
From: furious
ID: 1705223
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


furious said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…

is there a problem with that in germany?

I don’t know. I assume, because you are asking, is that you think the answer is no?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:37:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705224
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’ll be going through all the illustrations in the Harry Porter books looking for symbols.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:38:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705225
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


furious said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…



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Date: 3/03/2021 12:39:59
From: Cymek
ID: 1705226
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Perhaps Nazism needs to be ridiculed and made fun of of a lot more publicly to make it less desirable.
It’s effective as it offends people but if you didn’t react too much if might lose a lot of its power.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:41:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705227
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

furious said:

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…



Nobody before had done this = when the right-facing tilted form became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of the Aryan race.. the rest is history.

Well, it is all history in fact.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:41:10
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705228
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

By all means, prosecute racial vilification, but outlawing symbols is fraught…

is there a problem with that in germany?

I don’t know. I assume, because you are asking, is that you think the answer is no?

I didn’t know as it isn’t something i care about. but i do know they have laws about it.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-confusing-rules-on-swastikas-and-nazi-symbols/a-45063547

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:41:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Perhaps Nazism needs to be ridiculed and made fun of of a lot more publicly to make it less desirable.
It’s effective as it offends people but if you didn’t react too much if might lose a lot of its power.

Boris’ comment about “in Germany”. Is quite relevant.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:42:00
From: furious
ID: 1705230
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If you look at everything in the world today, not just racism, that probably won’t work…

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:43:02
From: Cymek
ID: 1705232
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:

  • Perhaps Nazism needs to be ridiculed and made fun of of a lot more publicly to make it less desirable.

If you look at everything in the world today, not just racism, that probably won’t work…

Maybe not.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:45:26
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705234
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


btm said:

Rule 303 said:

Good.

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:46:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705235
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


furious said:
  • Perhaps Nazism needs to be ridiculed and made fun of of a lot more publicly to make it less desirable.

If you look at everything in the world today, not just racism, that probably won’t work…

Maybe not.

Some thought multiculturism would be the answer but this process will likely take a lot longer than thought. Mainly because our current state is in crisis. For multiculturism to pan out we would have needed more stability.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:46:15
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705236
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

btm said:

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

Like 👌🏼

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:47:42
From: sibeen
ID: 1705238
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

btm said:

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:48:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705240
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

btm said:

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

The report stated “Victorian inquiry recommends banning Nazi symbols”.

Now, nowhere in history apart from the National Socialists of Hitler’s time ever adopted the swastika in the same orientation and colour layout.
Thus, this is the NAZI symbol. Whatever it is associated with.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:49:16
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705241
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:51:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705242
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

The report stated “Victorian inquiry recommends banning Nazi symbols”.

Now, nowhere in history apart from the National Socialists of Hitler’s time ever adopted the swastika in the same orientation and colour layout.
Thus, this is the NAZI symbol. Whatever it is associated with.

The eagle is the symbol in many instances for many nations but if it has the NAZI swastika attached, it becomes a NAZI symbol.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:51:14
From: sibeen
ID: 1705243
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Some skinheads decide to start carrying the above flag. What are you going to do?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:51:29
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705244
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:52:05
From: sibeen
ID: 1705245
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:52:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705246
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Some skinheads decide to start carrying the above flag. What are you going to do?

Point well made but I doubt anyone would give their members a blood sample.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:52:30
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705247
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Some skinheads decide to start carrying the above flag. What are you going to do?

it is a green cross these days.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:52:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705248
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It must be hard if your rapist not only doesn’t go away but appears in your media everyday lording it about and telling everyone he is important and good.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:52:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705249
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

sounds llike unobtanium.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:52:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705250
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 303 said:

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

It is a yellow brick road.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:53:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705251
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


It must be hard if your rapist not only doesn’t go away but appears in your media everyday lording it about and telling everyone he is important and good.

So many times, so many men…

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:53:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705252
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 303 said:

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

I guess that is why judges are on a good pay rate, to make decisions like these.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:55:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

btm said:

What exactly constitutes a “Nazi symbol”? The fylfot, for example, has been in use for millennia, including as a religious and protective symbol for Hindus; that the Nazis appropriated it for their swastika doesn’t change its significance to Hindus. Will that be banned? When I was about 5 or 6 I made a toy consisting of a wooden cutout anthropomorphic animal with a four-footed wheel-like shape, and a handle to push it along; I didn’t know it then, but the wheel-like thing was the same shape as a swastika. Would I be guilty of displaying a Nazi symbol if I played with it in public?

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:57:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705255
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:58:01
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Some skinheads decide to start carrying the above flag. What are you going to do?

Yeah, I got it.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:58:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705257
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

Anyone recall the black panthers of the sixties/seventies?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:58:50
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705258
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

and also, #whataboutism

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:58:50
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705259
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Rule 303 said:

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

Do you think governments should not try to control the displaying of white supremacist symbols?

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:59:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705260
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

hardly.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:59:29
From: furious
ID: 1705261
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

Probably a good idea to leave the symbols as they are. Helps to identify the supremacists…

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:59:34
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705262
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Rule 303 said:

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

Anyone recall the black panthers of the sixties/seventies?

huge rally’s in melbourne i remember.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:59:53
From: sibeen
ID: 1705263
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

Do you think governments should not try to control the displaying of white supremacist symbols?

No.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:00:27
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705264
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

Probably a good idea to leave the symbols as they are. Helps to identify the supremacists…

pffft they’re like vegans…

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:00:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1705265
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

hardly.

Lump them all under “inciting hatred” and dump them in prison.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:01:06
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705266
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

Probably a good idea to leave the symbols as they are. Helps to identify the supremacists…

pffft they’re like vegans…

actually they probably are vegans…

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:01:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705267
Subject: re: Aust Politics

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

don’t really see that in aus, plus are they a clear and present danger as are white supremacists in aus?

hardly.

Lump them all under “inciting hatred” and dump them in prison.

Now there is a legislation that I believe is already in use?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:02:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705268
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

Probably a good idea to leave the symbols as they are. Helps to identify the supremacists…

pffft they’re like vegans…

actually they probably are vegans…

Did they ever get proof that he was a vegan?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:05:05
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705269
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

Probably a good idea to leave the symbols as they are. Helps to identify the supremacists…

pffft they’re like vegans…

actually they probably are vegans…

https://www.vice.com/en/article/evb4zw/why-so-many-white-supremacists-are-into-veganism

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:06:00
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705270
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I was thinking along the same lines. Unintended consequences was my first thought.

How difficult could it be to draft legislation that says “Any symbol that any white supremacist uses to identify themselves as such”.

What about black supremist symbols like the raised clenched fist etc?

The idea suggests a misunderstanding of the nature of oppression, adversity, disadvantage, displacement, and the need for cultural heritage.

White people don’t usually form cultural supremacist groups because they don’t need to. They’re not at extreme social disadvantage and can simply identify as their nationality. Black people don’t form black ‘power’ organisations in Africa for the same reason.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:06:02
From: sibeen
ID: 1705271
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

Do you think governments should not try to control the displaying of white supremacist symbols?

No.

Sorry, I meant that governments shouldn’t try to control the symbols.

Being diametrically opposed to someone or something makes it hard to suggest that they should have a voice, but it is what I believe in. If they begin to incite violence then come down on them with a ton of bricks but I don’t believe you should be censoring someone for proclaiming “the white man is superior”, best just to laugh at them.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:06:21
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705272
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

Do you think governments should not try to control the displaying of white supremacist symbols?

probably a tad laputan.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:08:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705273
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

And the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

Do you think governments should not try to control the displaying of white supremacist symbols?

probably a tad laputan.

You seem to be on top of this.

I’ll leave you to it.

I have Lilliputan obstacles to get over.
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Date: 3/03/2021 13:10:48
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705275
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Do you think governments should not try to control the displaying of white supremacist symbols?

No.

Sorry, I meant that governments shouldn’t try to control the symbols.

Being diametrically opposed to someone or something makes it hard to suggest that they should have a voice, but it is what I believe in. If they begin to incite violence then come down on them with a ton of bricks but I don’t believe you should be censoring someone for proclaiming “the white man is superior”, best just to laugh at them.

Well there you and I differ – I don’t believe that the freedom of speech should be extended to the public broadcasting of ideas that have been responsible for the murder of millions of peaceful civilians, war upon the whole of Europe, and the most extreme forms of discrimination and brutality. Our country literally joined the world in fighting wars against those ideas.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:12:42
From: sibeen
ID: 1705277
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

sibeen said:

No.

Sorry, I meant that governments shouldn’t try to control the symbols.

Being diametrically opposed to someone or something makes it hard to suggest that they should have a voice, but it is what I believe in. If they begin to incite violence then come down on them with a ton of bricks but I don’t believe you should be censoring someone for proclaiming “the white man is superior”, best just to laugh at them.

Well there you and I differ – I don’t believe that the freedom of speech should be extended to the public broadcasting of ideas that have been responsible for the murder of millions of peaceful civilians, war upon the whole of Europe, and the most extreme forms of discrimination and brutality. Our country literally joined the world in fighting wars against those ideas.

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:15:30
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705278
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Sorry, I meant that governments shouldn’t try to control the symbols.

Being diametrically opposed to someone or something makes it hard to suggest that they should have a voice, but it is what I believe in. If they begin to incite violence then come down on them with a ton of bricks but I don’t believe you should be censoring someone for proclaiming “the white man is superior”, best just to laugh at them.

Well there you and I differ – I don’t believe that the freedom of speech should be extended to the public broadcasting of ideas that have been responsible for the murder of millions of peaceful civilians, war upon the whole of Europe, and the most extreme forms of discrimination and brutality. Our country literally joined the world in fighting wars against those ideas.

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

whispers

DV is right over there…

<<<<<

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:15:44
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705280
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Sorry, I meant that governments shouldn’t try to control the symbols.

Being diametrically opposed to someone or something makes it hard to suggest that they should have a voice, but it is what I believe in. If they begin to incite violence then come down on them with a ton of bricks but I don’t believe you should be censoring someone for proclaiming “the white man is superior”, best just to laugh at them.

Well there you and I differ – I don’t believe that the freedom of speech should be extended to the public broadcasting of ideas that have been responsible for the murder of millions of peaceful civilians, war upon the whole of Europe, and the most extreme forms of discrimination and brutality. Our country literally joined the world in fighting wars against those ideas.

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:16:35
From: sibeen
ID: 1705281
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Well there you and I differ – I don’t believe that the freedom of speech should be extended to the public broadcasting of ideas that have been responsible for the murder of millions of peaceful civilians, war upon the whole of Europe, and the most extreme forms of discrimination and brutality. Our country literally joined the world in fighting wars against those ideas.

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

cough

CCP

cough

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:17:09
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705282
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Well there you and I differ – I don’t believe that the freedom of speech should be extended to the public broadcasting of ideas that have been responsible for the murder of millions of peaceful civilians, war upon the whole of Europe, and the most extreme forms of discrimination and brutality. Our country literally joined the world in fighting wars against those ideas.

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

and have they caused any trouble in aus in recent history?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:17:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705283
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

cough

CCP

cough

not big in aus.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:18:00
From: sibeen
ID: 1705284
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Well there you and I differ – I don’t believe that the freedom of speech should be extended to the public broadcasting of ideas that have been responsible for the murder of millions of peaceful civilians, war upon the whole of Europe, and the most extreme forms of discrimination and brutality. Our country literally joined the world in fighting wars against those ideas.

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

whispers

DV is right over there…

<<<<<

That’s OK, the goal post just move in this argument so I doubt anyone can keep real track of it :)

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:18:27
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705285
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Now, now, I don’t like communism either, but I’ll allow people to espouse its tenets.

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

cough

CCP

cough

I’ve read Marx and Engles, mate. No mention of the CCP there.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:18:40
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705286
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

cough

CCP

cough

not big in aus.

plus the ccp isn’t a tenet of communism afaiaa

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:18:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705287
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

cough

CCP

cough

not big in aus.

Haven’t seen them listed oon a ballot paper, no.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:19:43
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705288
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Rule 303 said:

Which tenet of Communism calls for genocide, or even the discrimination against (or any form of punishment) of any group?

cough

CCP

cough

I’ve read Marx and Engles, mate. No mention of the CCP there.

yeah it a non-sequoia

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:20:05
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705290
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

cough

CCP

cough

not big in aus.

Haven’t seen them listed oon a ballot paper, no.

the greens.

;-)

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:21:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705291
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

cough

CCP

cough

I’ve read Marx and Engles, mate. No mention of the CCP there.

yeah it a non-sequoia

woody. :)

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:22:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705293
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:24:51
From: Cymek
ID: 1705296
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

People do need to be aware of what’s going on around them, its not them to blame but just the world we live in

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:25:39
From: party_pants
ID: 1705297
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So is this minister still going to face the press or what??

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:28:09
From: furious
ID: 1705298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


So is this minister still going to face the press or what??

Apparently they were waiting for the press club to wrap up because it would be unseemly to go over the top of that given the subject matter…

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:28:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705299
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


So is this minister still going to face the press or what??

Grace Tame is occupying the space.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:28:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705300
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

People do need to be aware of what’s going on around them, its not them to blame but just the world we live in

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:29:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

People do need to be aware of what’s going on around them, its not them to blame but just the world we live in

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

If it is perceivable, it can be an observation.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:31:00
From: sibeen
ID: 1705303
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

People do need to be aware of what’s going on around them, its not them to blame but just the world we live in

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:31:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705305
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

I remember being warned about not putting your private parts into places where one might more, in a more prudent mood, avoid poking the tip of their umbrella.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:32:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705306
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

People do need to be aware of what’s going on around them, its not them to blame but just the world we live in

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

My neighbour since deceased(thank the lord) always sayd, “Laws are only made to be broken”.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:33:24
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705308
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

People do need to be aware of what’s going on around them, its not them to blame but just the world we live in

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

that is a very shallow interpretation.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:33:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705309
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

I remember being warned about not putting your private parts into places where one might more, in a more prudent mood, avoid poking the tip of their umbrella.


Or indeed be forced to endure an umbrella opened to drag the syphillis and gonhorrea out?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:33:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

People do need to be aware of what’s going on around them, its not them to blame but just the world we live in

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:34:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

that is a very shallow interpretation.

dodgy print?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:34:43
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

I remember being warned about not putting your private parts into places where one might more, in a more prudent mood, avoid poking the tip of their umbrella.

Wait, what?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:35:25
From: sibeen
ID: 1705314
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:35:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705315
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

What was that once said, “they shouldn’t dress like raw meat”?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:36:49
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705317
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

My neighbour since deceased(thank the lord) always sayd, “Laws are only made to be broken”.

“The guidance of the wise and the obedience of fools” was the way I heard it.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:37:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

No doubt. I was always told as wee grasshopper, not to get into their cars if they asked directions or offered me lollies.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:39:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705319
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

No doubt. I was always told as wee grasshopper, not to get into their cars if they asked directions or offered me lollies.

I was also told to politely answer their questions and point them in the correct direction of their choosing.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:39:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:40:51
From: Cymek
ID: 1705321
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The world can change if people are told what is and what isn’t acceptable behaviour. In this case it’s telling men to stop being rapists rather than telling women to stop being raped.

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

My neighbour since deceased(thank the lord) always sayd, “Laws are only made to be broken”.

Its hard to have respect for law and order when its misused and you as an individual (especially if poor and/or minority) are punished but the government itself can be involved in unlawful behaviour that border on or are actual war crimes amongst other misdemeanours

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:41:18
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705322
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

What was that once said, “they shouldn’t dress like raw meat”?

I think that was a Muslim cleric so perhaps Sibeen means women should wear burqas to protect against predation.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:42:19
From: sibeen
ID: 1705323
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:46:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705326
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:46:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705328
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

Yes, telling people not to commit crimes had always worked a treat.

My neighbour since deceased(thank the lord) always sayd, “Laws are only made to be broken”.

Its hard to have respect for law and order when its misused and you as an individual (especially if poor and/or minority) are punished but the government itself can be involved in unlawful behaviour that border on or are actual war crimes amongst other misdemeanours

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:46:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705329
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Does that mean the onus is on females to change their behaviour?

What was that once said, “they shouldn’t dress like raw meat”?

I think that was a Muslim cleric so perhaps Sibeen means women should wear burqas to protect against predation.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:47:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705331
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

Your parents should perhaps have been advised beforhand?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:47:44
From: Cymek
ID: 1705332
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

Myself as well, a male being stronger probably has a better chance of defending themself

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:48:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705333
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so how do the North Koreans do it

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:48:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1705334
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

pffft they’re like vegans…

actually they probably are vegans…

https://www.vice.com/en/article/evb4zw/why-so-many-white-supremacists-are-into-veganism

Precis?

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:49:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705335
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

Myself as well, a male being stronger probably has a better chance of defending themself

See, you are perpetuating the myth. A girl can ruin all your chances by gathering the courage to knee you in the goonies.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:49:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705336
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


so how do the North Koreans do it

They all covet Kim’s ass.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:50:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705337
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

actually they probably are vegans…

https://www.vice.com/en/article/evb4zw/why-so-many-white-supremacists-are-into-veganism

Precis?

Would be good. Yeah.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:50:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705338
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Not at all, but acknowledging that there are evil fucks in the world is prudent.

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:52:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705339
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

I cannot remove the image of the jockey on the dead horse after reading the first part of that.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:55:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705341
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Gestapo are back! Police want permanent stop and search powers for vehicles in WA post-COVID

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:55:59
From: Cymek
ID: 1705343
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

I myself if walking alone make sure I am aware of whose behind and in front of me, people are unpredictable and you need to protect yourself.
I’ll also cross over the road if walking behind a women as they themselves could be unsettled by me behind them (is that wrong ?)

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:56:55
From: furious
ID: 1705345
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

Why can’t you do both? Acknowledge that it can be unsafe for females due to a cohort of bad males. Try to fix the culture in the males but in the meantime also advise females to take precautions…

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:57:48
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705346
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That acknowledgement would best be directed at altering male behaviour rather than vice versa IMO. otherwise you are just blaming the victim.

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

At the present time, women still need to protect themselves just the same as kids are taught Stranger Danger at school. It’s all well and good to say men need to not rape. Women are still being raped, and murdered, every single day. Yes, we need to protect ourselves. Yes, we need to be aware. It sucks but here we are.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:58:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705347
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

I myself if walking alone make sure I am aware of whose behind and in front of me, people are unpredictable and you need to protect yourself.
I’ll also cross over the road if walking behind a women as they themselves could be unsettled by me behind them (is that wrong ?)

I never worry. Nobody is going to hurt me and it is was likely that I could easily outrun any pursuers.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:58:37
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705349
Subject: re: Aust Politics

2pm and still no official word on this minister’s presser.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:58:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705350
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

Why can’t you do both? Acknowledge that it can be unsafe for females due to a cohort of bad males. Try to fix the culture in the males but in the meantime also advise females to take precautions…

This requires a Venn diagram.

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Date: 3/03/2021 13:59:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705351
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

I myself if walking alone make sure I am aware of whose behind and in front of me, people are unpredictable and you need to protect yourself.
I’ll also cross over the road if walking behind a women as they themselves could be unsettled by me behind them (is that wrong ?)

No but this is more than just about interaction with random strangers. Most rapists rape someone they know.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:00:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705352
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

Why can’t you do both? Acknowledge that it can be unsafe for females due to a cohort of bad males. Try to fix the culture in the males but in the meantime also advise females to take precautions…

Certainly you can do both but it doesn’t help when the Head of the Military advocates only one half of the equation.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:00:14
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705353
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

Why can’t you do both? Acknowledge that it can be unsafe for females due to a cohort of bad males. Try to fix the culture in the males but in the meantime also advise females to take precautions…

Chewing gum takes all your attention, if you start doing other things, before you know it ….bang, you’ve bitten your tongue.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:00:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705354
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


2pm and still no official word on this minister’s presser.

Stalling technique.

Though Brutus and the boys could be over trying to push him and have started the stabbing.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:01:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705355
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

I myself if walking alone make sure I am aware of whose behind and in front of me, people are unpredictable and you need to protect yourself.
I’ll also cross over the road if walking behind a women as they themselves could be unsettled by me behind them (is that wrong ?)

No but this is more than just about interaction with random strangers. Most rapists rape someone they know.

The victim usually doesn’t know them as well.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:01:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1705356
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

At the present time, women still need to protect themselves just the same as kids are taught Stranger Danger at school. It’s all well and good to say men need to not rape. Women are still being raped, and murdered, every single day. Yes, we need to protect ourselves. Yes, we need to be aware. It sucks but here we are.

I told my youngest, she is doing self defence aimed at teenagers to make damn sure if someone in attacks her in the street and she can’t get away to seriously hurt them.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:02:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705358
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


2pm and still no official word on this minister’s presser.

Looking like a bit later, he is probably reciting his speech.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:03:16
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705359
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

But how do you change the behaviour of a murderer or rapist, give them a stern talking to?

I advise my daughters to be careful when they go out, to be situationally aware, and to try to avoid travelling alone where possible. I don’t believe that giving that advise is in any way misogynistic.

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

At the present time, women still need to protect themselves just the same as kids are taught Stranger Danger at school. It’s all well and good to say men need to not rape. Women are still being raped, and murdered, every single day. Yes, we need to protect ourselves. Yes, we need to be aware. It sucks but here we are.

It’s not just about strangers though. Violence against women is perpetrated mainly by men they know.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:05:26
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705360
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


2pm and still no official word on this minister’s presser.

Heh, they;’ve just announced 3pm ADST

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:07:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705362
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Divine Angel said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s more than just the actual rapist. There is the ongoing misogyny exhibited by young men when if they hear a mate has slept with an unconscious female it’s somehow okay. Saying boys will be boys and girls should watch out disregards the progress made in the last century towards more respect for women with hopefully much more progress to come. It’s not about changing the 1% who are rapists but rather the much larger percentage who have no respect for women.

If people say it’s not the boys behaviour that should be changed they are not going to get any progress on this issue.

I am saying that considering that the onus should be on women is misogynous.

At the present time, women still need to protect themselves just the same as kids are taught Stranger Danger at school. It’s all well and good to say men need to not rape. Women are still being raped, and murdered, every single day. Yes, we need to protect ourselves. Yes, we need to be aware. It sucks but here we are.

It’s not just about strangers though. Violence against women is perpetrated mainly by men they know.

If they knew them, they’d surely take steps away from them?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:10:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705364
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I imagine that drafting legislation like that, that would actually work and have no blowback, would be near on impossible.

I am hopeful that communicating the intention of such simple ideas to judges is achievable.

Yes, I believe I mentioned context a little while ago.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-03/linda-merhi-claims-unfair-dismissal-after-sacking-while-in-jail/13211412

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:12:13
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705365
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

At the present time, women still need to protect themselves just the same as kids are taught Stranger Danger at school. It’s all well and good to say men need to not rape. Women are still being raped, and murdered, every single day. Yes, we need to protect ourselves. Yes, we need to be aware. It sucks but here we are.

It’s not just about strangers though. Violence against women is perpetrated mainly by men they know.

If they knew them, they’d surely take steps away from them?

This is my point. Women are usually raped by people they know; confident that they can let their guard down. Do we want to educate that all women be on a state of alert or rather change the culture of ordinary males who do there horrible things?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:15:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705371
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s not just about strangers though. Violence against women is perpetrated mainly by men they know.

If they knew them, they’d surely take steps away from them?

This is my point. Women are usually raped by people they know; confident that they can let their guard down. Do we want to educate that all women be on a state of alert or rather change the culture of ordinary males who do there horrible things?

No. You are missing my point.

I have met you or whoever you are pertaining to be but I don’t know you nor do I know whether you are a risk. However, I can assure you that if I did know you to be the kind of rapist you are referring to, then I’d be taking all steps to avoid you and to assure that others knew what I knew about you. In your version of events, I could hardly know you until after you’d forced your way with me.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:19:18
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705375
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

If they knew them, they’d surely take steps away from them?

This is my point. Women are usually raped by people they know; confident that they can let their guard down. Do we want to educate that all women be on a state of alert or rather change the culture of ordinary males who do there horrible things?

No. You are missing my point.

I have met you or whoever you are pertaining to be but I don’t know you nor do I know whether you are a risk. However, I can assure you that if I did know you to be the kind of rapist you are referring to, then I’d be taking all steps to avoid you and to assure that others knew what I knew about you. In your version of events, I could hardly know you until after you’d forced your way with me.

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:20:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705378
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

This is my point. Women are usually raped by people they know; confident that they can let their guard down. Do we want to educate that all women be on a state of alert or rather change the culture of ordinary males who do there horrible things?

No. You are missing my point.

I have met you or whoever you are pertaining to be but I don’t know you nor do I know whether you are a risk. However, I can assure you that if I did know you to be the kind of rapist you are referring to, then I’d be taking all steps to avoid you and to assure that others knew what I knew about you. In your version of events, I could hardly know you until after you’d forced your way with me.

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

geez mate, They call this place a city but everyone knows who is who and what they do.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:23:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705383
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

No. You are missing my point.

I have met you or whoever you are pertaining to be but I don’t know you nor do I know whether you are a risk. However, I can assure you that if I did know you to be the kind of rapist you are referring to, then I’d be taking all steps to avoid you and to assure that others knew what I knew about you. In your version of events, I could hardly know you until after you’d forced your way with me.

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

geez mate, They call this place a city but everyone knows who is who and what they do.

Okay.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:23:20
From: Cymek
ID: 1705384
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

This is my point. Women are usually raped by people they know; confident that they can let their guard down. Do we want to educate that all women be on a state of alert or rather change the culture of ordinary males who do there horrible things?

No. You are missing my point.

I have met you or whoever you are pertaining to be but I don’t know you nor do I know whether you are a risk. However, I can assure you that if I did know you to be the kind of rapist you are referring to, then I’d be taking all steps to avoid you and to assure that others knew what I knew about you. In your version of events, I could hardly know you until after you’d forced your way with me.

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:26:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705389
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

geez mate, They call this place a city but everyone knows who is who and what they do.

Okay.

I mean to say, there’s no way the victims in the current cases were any more than innocent. You see they were all young and not as wise in the ways of those I meet.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:27:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705391
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

No. You are missing my point.

I have met you or whoever you are pertaining to be but I don’t know you nor do I know whether you are a risk. However, I can assure you that if I did know you to be the kind of rapist you are referring to, then I’d be taking all steps to avoid you and to assure that others knew what I knew about you. In your version of events, I could hardly know you until after you’d forced your way with me.

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

and that their behaviour is dissimilar to that those of most men?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:27:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

No. You are missing my point.

I have met you or whoever you are pertaining to be but I don’t know you nor do I know whether you are a risk. However, I can assure you that if I did know you to be the kind of rapist you are referring to, then I’d be taking all steps to avoid you and to assure that others knew what I knew about you. In your version of events, I could hardly know you until after you’d forced your way with me.

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

I don’t think we can.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:30:50
From: Cymek
ID: 1705395
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

and that their behaviour is dissimilar to that those of most men?

I’d hope so

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:31:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705396
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

I don’t think we can.

It isn’t the current behavioural education of men to be.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:31:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

and that their behaviour is dissimilar to that those of most men?

I’d hope so

Hope springs eternal
but can one hold it in one’s hands?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:32:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705398
Subject: re: Aust Politics

you know, we’ve only read a few posts here at random and certainly not the whole thread, and we don’t always agree with Witty Rejoinder, but today it seems we do for the most part

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:32:24
From: Cymek
ID: 1705399
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How much do you know about the sexual lives of work mates, friends, other people in your town?

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

I don’t think we can.

See that’s the worry isn’t it, circumstance turns the average male into a rapist, conflict and desperation for example

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:32:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705400
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

and that their behaviour is dissimilar to that those of most men?

I’d hope so

Hope springs eternal
but can one hold it in one’s hands?

back in your box

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:33:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705401
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:33:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705402
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Can we assume men that rape are mentally damaged (not mental illness) and most men wouldn’t take part in such behaviour

I don’t think we can.

See that’s the worry isn’t it, circumstance turns the average male into a rapist, conflict and desperation for example

um no, just as intoxication doesn’t turn the average privileged whitefella into a racist

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:33:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705403
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I’d hope so

Hope springs eternal
but can one hold it in one’s hands?

back in your box

Too late, it has been opened.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:34:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705404
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:34:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705405
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


you know, we’ve only read a few posts here at random and certainly not the whole thread, and we don’t always agree with Witty Rejoinder, but today it seems we do for the most part

Good for you.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:34:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705406
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

Did they name him?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:35:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705407
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think we can.

See that’s the worry isn’t it, circumstance turns the average male into a rapist, conflict and desperation for example

um no, just as intoxication doesn’t turn the average privileged whitefella into a racist

I heard that inebriation released inhibitions?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:36:16
From: Cymek
ID: 1705408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think we can.

See that’s the worry isn’t it, circumstance turns the average male into a rapist, conflict and desperation for example

um no, just as intoxication doesn’t turn the average privileged whitefella into a racist

I was thinking of rape used in war by soldiers

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:38:08
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

Well colour me shocked it’s him.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:40:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


sarahs mum said:

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

Well colour me shocked it’s him.

31 minutes.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:40:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


sarahs mum said:

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

Well colour me shocked it’s him.

don’t worry they’ll defend his staying on as Attorney General of course

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:40:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705413
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

you know, we’ve only read a few posts here at random and certainly not the whole thread, and we don’t always agree with Witty Rejoinder, but today it seems we do for the most part

Good for you.

nah mate good for him

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:41:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705415
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

you know, we’ve only read a few posts here at random and certainly not the whole thread, and we don’t always agree with Witty Rejoinder, but today it seems we do for the most part

Good for you.

nah mate good for him

Good for all then?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:46:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705420
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:47:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705421
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was


suppose it’s always possible that as Attorney General he points the finger at someone else

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:47:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705422
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Good for you.

nah mate good for him

Good for all then?

well we scared him off didn’t we

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:48:08
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705423
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was


It’s just a coincidence that he’s speaking at the same time as the minister accused of rape.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:51:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705424
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was


Mert?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:52:08
From: Cymek
ID: 1705425
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was


It’s just a coincidence that he’s speaking at the same time as the minister accused of rape.

I wonder what will happen to him/them, resign with all benefits and get a job with private industry

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:53:13
From: party_pants
ID: 1705426
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was


Mert?

Met, I think.

I used to work in that building. The whole floor is off limits unless you have a security key to activate the lift for that floor.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:53:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705427
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:


It’s just a coincidence that he’s speaking at the same time as the minister accused of rape.

I wonder what will happen to him/them, resign with all benefits and get a job with private industry

Walk away with the loot of conquest? That’s the spirit. True bronzed ocker.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:54:08
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705428
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:


It’s just a coincidence that he’s speaking at the same time as the minister accused of rape.

I wonder what will happen to him/them, resign with all benefits and get a job with private industry

Normally I’m against sniper attacks but hey, I’m willing to make an exception. He’s despicable.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:54:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705429
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:


Mert?

Met, I think.

I used to work in that building. The whole floor is off limits unless you have a security key to activate the lift for that floor.

Their proof reader was on coffee break?

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:54:30
From: Tamb
ID: 1705430
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:


It’s just a coincidence that he’s speaking at the same time as the minister accused of rape.

I wonder what will happen to him/them, resign with all benefits and get a job with private industry


If it’s anything like the UN, he’ll get a job with a women’s welfare Qango.

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:56:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705431
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:


Mert?

Met, I think.

I used to work in that building. The whole floor is off limits unless you have a security key to activate the lift for that floor.

or muerte, as in “we could tell you but we will have to kill you”, seems legit’

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Date: 3/03/2021 14:58:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705432
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:

Cymek said:
Divine Angel said:
It’s just a coincidence that he’s speaking at the same time as the minister accused of rape.

I wonder what will happen to him/them, resign with all benefits and get a job with private industry

If it’s anything like the UN, he’ll get a job with a women’s welfare Qango.

good to see you lot are even more siniqul than we are

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:03:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1705433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC news says Christian Porter will news conference at 3.

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was


“I will not be mert!”

Hands on hips, stubbornly.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:05:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705434
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Tamb said:
Cymek said:

I wonder what will happen to him/them, resign with all benefits and get a job with private industry

If it’s anything like the UN, he’ll get a job with a women’s welfare Qango.

good to see you lot are even more siniqul than we are

We’ve all been around for a bit.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:05:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705435
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

wait when did it become confirmed that it was the fella we said it was


“I will not be mert!”

Hands on hips, stubbornly.

:)

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:06:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705436
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Mert?

Met, I think.

I used to work in that building. The whole floor is off limits unless you have a security key to activate the lift for that floor.

or muerte, as in “we could tell you but we will have to kill you”, seems legit’

it werks. ;)

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:09:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705437
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’ve been mert.

It’s over-rated.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:11:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705439
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


I’ve been mert.

It’s over-rated.

which EtOH does that?

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:12:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mert is a Turkish masculine given name meaning, “manful”, “brave”, “trustworthy”, and/or “the one who tells the truth”, from Persian mard (مرد) which means man.

hmmmmm imagine putting your foot in it even before stepping on stage

ironic

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:13:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705441
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


bq. Mert is a Turkish masculine given name meaning, “manful”, “brave”, “trustworthy”, and/or “the one who tells the truth”, from Persian mard (مرد) which means man.

hmmmmm imagine putting your foot in it even before stepping on stage

ironic

So where do the women fit in here?

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:14:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705442
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

bq. Mert is a Turkish masculine given name meaning, “manful”, “brave”, “trustworthy”, and/or “the one who tells the truth”, from Persian mard (مرد) which means man.

hmmmmm imagine putting your foot in it even before stepping on stage

ironic

So where do the women fit in here?

maybe they’re implying that only Real Men tell the truth in which case you must be talking about liars

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:17:42
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705443
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I haven’t done anything wrong, oh poor me!

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:17:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

All bets are paid in full. He’s on TV.. I didn’t do it.. the first I heard was on the TV.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:19:30
From: Tamb
ID: 1705445
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

bq. Mert is a Turkish masculine given name meaning, “manful”, “brave”, “trustworthy”, and/or “the one who tells the truth”, from Persian mard (مرد) which means man.

hmmmmm imagine putting your foot in it even before stepping on stage

ironic

So where do the women fit in here?

maybe they’re implying that only Real Men tell the truth in which case you must be talking about liars


Women, not being men(mert) must be unmanful, unbrave, untrustworthy & liars.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:20:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


All bets are paid in full. He’s on TV.. I didn’t do it.. the first I heard was on the TV.

The funny part about all of this is that he’s been caught with the vomit all over him.
Everyone else knows but Scomo is assisting him to say it this way because he cannot afford to lose another cabinet member.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:21:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705447
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

All bets are paid in full. He’s on TV.. I didn’t do it.. the first I heard was on the TV.

The funny part about all of this is that he’s been caught with the vomit all over him.
Everyone else knows but Scomo is assisting him to say it this way because he cannot afford to lose another cabinet member.

The real coward apart from the Christian, is the hillsonger.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:26:20
From: buffy
ID: 1705449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Save me looking it up…how old was he at the time?

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:27:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Save me looking it up…how old was he at the time?

17

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:27:48
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Save me looking it up…how old was he at the time?

17 I think.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:28:33
From: buffy
ID: 1705452
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

Save me looking it up…how old was he at the time?

17

Ta

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:40:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

All bets are paid in full. He’s on TV.. I didn’t do it.. the first I heard was on the TV.

The funny part about all of this is that he’s been caught with the vomit all over him.
Everyone else knows but Scomo is assisting him to say it this way because he cannot afford to lose another cabinet member.

The real coward apart from the Christian, is the hillsonger.

Sooty?

I imagine that we’ll find out soon that he’s been trapped in a car wreck at the bottom of a gully for the last several days, and therefore unable to do anything about all of this.

It’ll make for a great tale of heroism.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:49:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1705456
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Wonder why Scomo decided Porter would be an appropriate pick for Attorney General.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by Attorney-General Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:51:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Wonder why Scomo decided Porter would be an appropriate pick for Attorney General.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by Attorney-General Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

Christian Porter was warned over public behaviour with young female staffer by then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-09/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-alan-tudge/12862632

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:52:14
From: party_pants
ID: 1705458
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Wonder why Scomo decided Porter would be an appropriate pick for Attorney General.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by Attorney-General Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

I thought it was Turnbull who first picked him. He was a state A-G for a number of years before moving to the Federal scene. He was seen as a good and capable minister at state level, well above the likes of Buswell and the other clowns in the show at the time.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:54:30
From: Woodie
ID: 1705459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

bq. Mert is a Turkish masculine given name meaning, “manful”, “brave”, “trustworthy”, and/or “the one who tells the truth”, from Persian mard (مرد) which means man.

hmmmmm imagine putting your foot in it even before stepping on stage

ironic

So where do the women fit in here?

Women are not allowed at stonings.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:56:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Wonder why Scomo decided Porter would be an appropriate pick for Attorney General.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by Attorney-General Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

It was ultimately his decision. Tony Abbott proved that by being elected by his deciding vote.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:57:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705461
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

Wonder why Scomo decided Porter would be an appropriate pick for Attorney General.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by Attorney-General Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

I thought it was Turnbull who first picked him. He was a state A-G for a number of years before moving to the Federal scene. He was seen as a good and capable minister at state level, well above the likes of Buswell and the other clowns in the show at the time.

Long before he embarrassed Turnbull.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:57:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705462
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

bq. Mert is a Turkish masculine given name meaning, “manful”, “brave”, “trustworthy”, and/or “the one who tells the truth”, from Persian mard (مرد) which means man.

hmmmmm imagine putting your foot in it even before stepping on stage

ironic

So where do the women fit in here?

Women are not allowed at stonings.

Bluddy Brian. He always pops up when there is a stoning.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:58:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705463
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Woodie said:

roughbarked said:

So where do the women fit in here?

Women are not allowed at stonings.

Bluddy Brian. He always pops up when there is a stoning.

or at least his mother does.

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Date: 3/03/2021 15:59:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705464
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:02:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705465
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

I’m not a woman. I know women who would have thrown his office out the window and her shoes at him, the next morning.
I do know however, quite a lot about what I commonly refer to as bullying. This is anothrer crime on top of but resilient with rapists.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:05:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1705466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

I’d say his prior history as documented in that article should surely be enough to get him dismissed as A-G and booted out of Cabinet.

It’s not hearsay, he’s damned by his own words at the time.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:07:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705467
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Social media seems upset at his bringing up Bill Shorten a few times…

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:08:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705468
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

I’d say his prior history as documented in that article should surely be enough to get him dismissed as A-G and booted out of Cabinet.

It’s not hearsay, he’s damned by his own words at the time.

But this is the nothing sticks to these people govt.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:08:40
From: party_pants
ID: 1705469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

It seems like he has made a lot of enemies over the years, and seems to be widely disliked particularly within his own circles and party. I think there is a campaign on to get rid of him, and it not driven by the media or the ALP. This looks like a hatchet job from within.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:11:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1705470
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

It seems like he has made a lot of enemies over the years, and seems to be widely disliked particularly within his own circles and party. I think there is a campaign on to get rid of him, and it not driven by the media or the ALP. This looks like a hatchet job from within.

Looks like it’s well-deserved, so I don’t think I’d use the term “hatchet job”.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:16:50
From: Cymek
ID: 1705471
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

It seems like he has made a lot of enemies over the years, and seems to be widely disliked particularly within his own circles and party. I think there is a campaign on to get rid of him, and it not driven by the media or the ALP. This looks like a hatchet job from within.

Looks like it’s well-deserved, so I don’t think I’d use the term “hatchet job”.

Perhaps he’s done it to others and they will come forward

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:19:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705472
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It’s difficult to come to any conclusions one way or the other.
Probably best to defer to someone who’s an expert in the machinations of the media, politics and temporial Australian culture, someone who’s perspective is widely respected.
I think the Bolt report is on at 6:30pm and probably repeated later in the night.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:20:14
From: Cymek
ID: 1705473
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Who would feel justice was done if your child suicided over an assault and the perpetrator was punished via imprisonment (let alone not punished) or would you like some time alone with them an a blunt object

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:21:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1705474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

I’d say his prior history as documented in that article should surely be enough to get him dismissed as A-G and booted out of Cabinet.

It’s not hearsay, he’s damned by his own words at the time.

But this is the nothing sticks to these people govt.

He’s well on the nose now, though.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:23:43
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1705475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


It’s difficult to come to any conclusions one way or the other.
Probably best to defer to someone who’s an expert in the machinations of the media, politics and temporial Australian culture, someone who’s perspective is widely respected.
I think the Bolt report is on at 6:30pm and probably repeated later in the night.

I know you loathe the ABC, but read the article I linked. Porter is damned by his own published words at the time. He had a very low opinion of women and basically treated them like dirt, and was proud of his extreme sexism.

This man now holds the highest law office in the land. He’s grotesquely inappropriate for that role.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:28:29
From: Cymek
ID: 1705476
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

It’s difficult to come to any conclusions one way or the other.
Probably best to defer to someone who’s an expert in the machinations of the media, politics and temporial Australian culture, someone who’s perspective is widely respected.
I think the Bolt report is on at 6:30pm and probably repeated later in the night.

I know you loathe the ABC, but read the article I linked. Porter is damned by his own published words at the time. He had a very low opinion of women and basically treated them like dirt, and was proud of his extreme sexism.

This man now holds the highest law office in the land. He’s grotesquely inappropriate for that role.

Or you could say going by many politicians and people in power he’s entirely suitable for the job

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:29:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705477
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

I’d say his prior history as documented in that article should surely be enough to get him dismissed as A-G and booted out of Cabinet.

It’s not hearsay, he’s damned by his own words at the time.

He’s chuck his baby out with the bathwater ages back and yet Scomo still wants him to plead innocence. I’m happy to accept that Mr Porter will be transporting himself away from indictment at any opportunity

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:31:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705478
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

It’s difficult to come to any conclusions one way or the other.
Probably best to defer to someone who’s an expert in the machinations of the media, politics and temporial Australian culture, someone who’s perspective is widely respected.
I think the Bolt report is on at 6:30pm and probably repeated later in the night.

I know you loathe the ABC, but read the article I linked. Porter is damned by his own published words at the time. He had a very low opinion of women and basically treated them like dirt, and was proud of his extreme sexism.

This man now holds the highest law office in the land. He’s grotesquely inappropriate for that role.

I’m sure this point will bubble to the surface sooner or later.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:32:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705479
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s difficult to come to any conclusions one way or the other.
Probably best to defer to someone who’s an expert in the machinations of the media, politics and temporial Australian culture, someone who’s perspective is widely respected.
I think the Bolt report is on at 6:30pm and probably repeated later in the night.

I know you loathe the ABC, but read the article I linked. Porter is damned by his own published words at the time. He had a very low opinion of women and basically treated them like dirt, and was proud of his extreme sexism.

This man now holds the highest law office in the land. He’s grotesquely inappropriate for that role.

Or you could say going by many politicians and people in power he’s entirely suitable for the job

That’s revolutionary talk.. More please.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:37:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705480
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

I don’t like calling him guilty with no evidence. But he does have some history. IMO he did look like he was lying until he got to the point where he looked like he thought ..I’ve got this. He kept on saying she never contacted him to say anything. Why the fuck would she?

.

I’d say his prior history as documented in that article should surely be enough to get him dismissed as A-G and booted out of Cabinet.

It’s not hearsay, he’s damned by his own words at the time.

He’s chuck his baby out with the bathwater ages back and yet Scomo still wants him to plead innocence. I’m happy to accept that Mr Porter will be transporting himself away from indictment at any opportunity

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:44:03
From: dv
ID: 1705481
Subject: re: Aust Politics

But he said he would not step down, saying he feared it would set a precedent for other people who faced similar allegations.

“If that happens, anyone in public life is able to be removed simply by the printing of an allegation, every child we raise can have their lives destroyed by online reporting alone,” Mr Porter said.

“My guess is that if I were to resign, and that were to set a new standard, there would be no need for an Attorney-General because there would be no rule of law left to protect in this country.

When you think about it, he’s kind of a hero, really.

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Date: 3/03/2021 16:52:51
From: transition
ID: 1705483
Subject: re: Aust Politics

how’s the trial by media enterprise going

plenty of enthusiasts I see

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:00:20
From: dv
ID: 1705485
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


how’s the trial by media enterprise going

plenty of enthusiasts I see

Yes it is terrible for people to have opinions

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:02:54
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705486
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Christian Porter identifies himself as the unnamed Cabinet minister and strenuously denies historical rape allegation

Key points:

Christian Porter says he will not stand down as Australia’s Attorney-General
He confirmed he knew the woman as a teenager but said the alleged incident “simply did not happen”
In an emotional press conference, he said he would take a “short period of leave”

Yeah right “Simply did not happen” vs someone suiciding over the matter. He is lying.

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:08:42
From: transition
ID: 1705490
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


transition said:

how’s the trial by media enterprise going

plenty of enthusiasts I see

Yes it is terrible for people to have opinions

some people do, about some things, and they express them sometimes

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:25:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705500
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


transition said:

how’s the trial by media enterprise going

plenty of enthusiasts I see

Yes it is terrible for people to have opinions

Who’s got an opinion? Where are they?
You point ‘em out and I’ll get the boys to go round and have a chat, just a bit of a chat.

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:28:04
From: Cymek
ID: 1705503
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

transition said:

how’s the trial by media enterprise going

plenty of enthusiasts I see

Yes it is terrible for people to have opinions

some people do, about some things, and they express them sometimes

Often fire when there’s smoke in most of these cases especially from entitled people

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:29:13
From: dv
ID: 1705504
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

transition said:

how’s the trial by media enterprise going

plenty of enthusiasts I see

Yes it is terrible for people to have opinions

Who’s got an opinion? Where are they?
You point ‘em out and I’ll get the boys to go round and have a chat, just a bit of a chat.

I’ve got an opinion…

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:32:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705509
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I have an opinion too.

Boot Porter out of his AG position.

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:33:12
From: transition
ID: 1705511
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Wonder why Scomo decided Porter would be an appropriate pick for Attorney General.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by Attorney-General Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

i’ll finish watching that later, defer forming an opinion, I may even hang in a state of unconclusion after that

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:39:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705516
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


I have an opinion too.

Boot Porter out of his AG position.

Who cares about the reputation of someone holding the position of AG?

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Date: 3/03/2021 17:52:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705521
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

Wonder why Scomo decided Porter would be an appropriate pick for Attorney General.

Investigation reveals history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour by Attorney-General Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

i’ll finish watching that later, defer forming an opinion, I may even hang in a state of unconclusion after that

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

Looks like we have an Attorney General who has no control of his sexual desires. Some men just cannot learn to control it.

BJ has trouble controlling it too.

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Date: 3/03/2021 18:04:07
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705531
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

I have an opinion too.

Boot Porter out of his AG position.

Who cares about the reputation of someone holding the position of AG?

Whispers quietly.

Looks like the PM doesn’t.

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Date: 3/03/2021 19:47:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705565
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ah, memory is such a wonderful thing.

Reporter: She’s more specific in her statement, she says that you and she and a group of others had been out for dinner. You’d then gone dancing at the Hard Rock Cafe, and then you walked her back to her room. Do you recall that and what’s your recollection?

Mr Porter: That may well be the case.

Reporter: You don’t remember that?

Mr Porter: It is 33 years ago. I remember two evenings that week. One was a night with — at one of the colleges with bowls of prawns, which sticks in my mind. I do remember a formal dinner, and going out dancing sounds about right.

Reporter: Do you remember walking her to her room though?

Mr Porter: No.

Reporter: Was there no sexual involvement with anybody on that trip?

Mr Porter: Well, no.

Reporter: You said it was 33 years ago, you don’t remember the details —

Mr Porter: Could I have forgotten?

Reporter: Could you have forgotten?

Mr Porter: Could I have forgotten the things that have been printed? Could I have forgotten or misconstrued the things that I have read, which are said to have occurred? Absolutely not. They just didn’t happen.

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Date: 3/03/2021 20:04:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705585
Subject: re: Aust Politics

About 65% of the sample of 1,074 people polled agreed with the statement: “The government has been more interested in protecting itself than the interests of those who have been assaulted.” A closer breakdown showed that level was 68% among women and 62% of men.

Based on federal voting intentions, the statement was backed by 76% of Labor supporters, 51% of Coalition supporters and 88% of Greens supporters.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/02/two-thirds-of-australians-think-government-more-interested-in-protecting-itself-than-women-poll

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Date: 3/03/2021 20:23:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705602
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“I remember him commenting that he would never date a woman who weighed over 50 kilograms,” she said.

“That stood out to me. I also remember a relationship of his that ended and he commented that the woman involved was thin enough, but she didn’t have big enough tits, and the next woman that he was going to date needed to be as thin, but have bigger tits.”

https://www.mamamia.com.au/alan-tudge-christian-porter-family-values/

I presume that is anorexic women with a boob job and not short women.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:06:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705614
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


“I remember him commenting that he would never date a woman who weighed over 50 kilograms,” she said.

“That stood out to me. I also remember a relationship of his that ended and he commented that the woman involved was thin enough, but she didn’t have big enough tits, and the next woman that he was going to date needed to be as thin, but have bigger tits.”

https://www.mamamia.com.au/alan-tudge-christian-porter-family-values/

I presume that is anorexic women with a boob job and not short women.

I remember once upon a time when I was 51 kilos. I’d been sick for such a long time. Boyfriend put a new hole in my leather belt and cut it down so there were no other holes.

Hey but now I am old and fat and alone. Yay.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:25:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705621
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So let’s deal entirely in hypotheticals here, but let’s keep them non-party specific so that we can establish the general rule and then look at whether or not there should ever be an exception. Let’s give Christian Porter his time off and accept his statements at face value and believe him when he says that he has never been made aware of any of the allegations at any time and he strenuously denies them even if he has never been made aware of what they were except by Scott Morrison who hadn’t read them either but somehow knew that Christian Porter was the person to ask about the allegations of which neither of them had the specifics. Yes, as Christian said, everything he read about the woman who made the complaint suggested that she was a troubled soul…which would be confusing owing to the fact that she hasn’t actually been named in the media and he hasn’t been made aware of the allegations so it’d be quite amazing that he knows who she is, were it not for the fact that Christian has probably read a lot about a lot of women and he understands that they’re usually troubled souls when it comes to him.

https://theaimn.com/lets-try-to-be-fair-and-balanced-about-this/

On another note, what a pity that Grace Tame is already Australian of The Year because wouldn’t it be great to be able to make her Australian of the Year after today’s speech.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:26:35
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705622
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

“I remember him commenting that he would never date a woman who weighed over 50 kilograms,” she said.

“That stood out to me. I also remember a relationship of his that ended and he commented that the woman involved was thin enough, but she didn’t have big enough tits, and the next woman that he was going to date needed to be as thin, but have bigger tits.”

https://www.mamamia.com.au/alan-tudge-christian-porter-family-values/

I presume that is anorexic women with a boob job and not short women.

I remember once upon a time when I was 51 kilos. I’d been sick for such a long time. Boyfriend put a new hole in my leather belt and cut it down so there were no other holes.

Hey but now I am old and fat and alone. Yay.

I don’t remember when I was 50kgs.

I have just gone off at the fam for ignoring me all the time, so I feel alone. May as well talk to a brick wall.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:29:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705623
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:

I don’t remember when I was 50kgs.

Try a couple of bouts of flu and untreated bronchial pneumonia.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:42:11
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705625
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

“I remember him commenting that he would never date a woman who weighed over 50 kilograms,” she said.

“That stood out to me. I also remember a relationship of his that ended and he commented that the woman involved was thin enough, but she didn’t have big enough tits, and the next woman that he was going to date needed to be as thin, but have bigger tits.”

https://www.mamamia.com.au/alan-tudge-christian-porter-family-values/

I presume that is anorexic women with a boob job and not short women.

I remember once upon a time when I was 51 kilos. I’d been sick for such a long time. Boyfriend put a new hole in my leather belt and cut it down so there were no other holes.

Hey but now I am old and fat and alone. Yay.

I don’t remember when I was 50kgs.

I have just gone off at the fam for ignoring me all the time, so I feel alone. May as well talk to a brick wall.

This sounds like a job for a BUBF!

How’s the storm action up there?

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:44:10
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705626
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

I remember once upon a time when I was 51 kilos. I’d been sick for such a long time. Boyfriend put a new hole in my leather belt and cut it down so there were no other holes.

Hey but now I am old and fat and alone. Yay.

I don’t remember when I was 50kgs.

I have just gone off at the fam for ignoring me all the time, so I feel alone. May as well talk to a brick wall.

This sounds like a job for a BUBF!

How’s the storm action up there?

Zero storms tonight.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:44:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705627
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

I remember once upon a time when I was 51 kilos. I’d been sick for such a long time. Boyfriend put a new hole in my leather belt and cut it down so there were no other holes.

Hey but now I am old and fat and alone. Yay.

I don’t remember when I was 50kgs.

I have just gone off at the fam for ignoring me all the time, so I feel alone. May as well talk to a brick wall.

This sounds like a job for a BUBF!

How’s the storm action up there?

Backup boyfriend?

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:47:14
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705630
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

I don’t remember when I was 50kgs.

I have just gone off at the fam for ignoring me all the time, so I feel alone. May as well talk to a brick wall.

This sounds like a job for a BUBF!

How’s the storm action up there?

Zero storms tonight.

Ahh, good. I have been watching the footage of flash flooding with keen interest. When is the new book coming out?

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:47:25
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705631
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

I don’t remember when I was 50kgs.

I have just gone off at the fam for ignoring me all the time, so I feel alone. May as well talk to a brick wall.

This sounds like a job for a BUBF!

How’s the storm action up there?

Backup boyfriend?

>nods<

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:52:33
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Divine Angel said:

Rule 303 said:

This sounds like a job for a BUBF!

How’s the storm action up there?

Zero storms tonight.

Ahh, good. I have been watching the footage of flash flooding with keen interest. When is the new book coming out?

When I finish it 😬

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:53:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705633
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

This sounds like a job for a BUBF!

How’s the storm action up there?

Backup boyfriend?

>nods<

right.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:55:57
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705634
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Rule 303 said:

Divine Angel said:

Zero storms tonight.

Ahh, good. I have been watching the footage of flash flooding with keen interest. When is the new book coming out?

When I finish it 😬

Is my memory correct that it’s in the beta reading stage?

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:56:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705635
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So Derryn is still around.

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Date: 3/03/2021 22:00:18
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705636
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


So Derryn is still around.

Gotta love a good old-fashioned pile-on.

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Date: 3/03/2021 22:20:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1705643
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


So Derryn is still around.

Is the phrase “oh der” still in modern use?

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Date: 3/03/2021 22:21:30
From: buffy
ID: 1705644
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

“I remember him commenting that he would never date a woman who weighed over 50 kilograms,” she said.

“That stood out to me. I also remember a relationship of his that ended and he commented that the woman involved was thin enough, but she didn’t have big enough tits, and the next woman that he was going to date needed to be as thin, but have bigger tits.”

https://www.mamamia.com.au/alan-tudge-christian-porter-family-values/

I presume that is anorexic women with a boob job and not short women.

I remember once upon a time when I was 51 kilos. I’d been sick for such a long time. Boyfriend put a new hole in my leather belt and cut it down so there were no other holes.

Hey but now I am old and fat and alone. Yay.

I was 57kg when I first gave blood. I think I was 19 at the time. I don’t know what I weigh now. I haven’t got any scales.

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Date: 3/03/2021 22:38:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1705650
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

so old ugly ones needn’t worry? plus I would imagine most women know what can happen and take certain precautions, not always effective but you also need a life. Talking of young cadets, who are they out with? Other cadets? Do they need protecting from them? aren’t these other cadets, if there are any, looking out for each other?

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Date: 3/03/2021 22:42:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1705651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

I suppose he thought he had to say it, being a man and a soldier.

Defence chief criticised for warning young ‘attractive’ cadets against being out late to avoid sexual predators

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene

so old ugly ones needn’t worry? plus I would imagine most women know what can happen and take certain precautions, not always effective but you also need a life. Talking of young cadets, who are they out with? Other cadets? Do they need protecting from them? aren’t these other cadets, if there are any, looking out for each other?

Matbe they need protecting from male politicians and staffers?

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Date: 3/03/2021 23:17:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 3/03/2021 23:53:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705678
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Chance of an early election is becoming more unlikely.

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Date: 3/03/2021 23:58:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705681
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Chance of an early election is becoming more unlikely.

maybe there’s a time when some kind of governor general thing could actually be useful

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Date: 4/03/2021 00:37:56
From: dv
ID: 1705695
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 4/03/2021 01:16:26
From: transition
ID: 1705708
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



doubtful that, if it were considered a strategy, is peculiar to whatever context

i’ve seen similar in exchanges regard who ate most of the chocolate, or yogurt, or biscuits

without saying too much, the machine eyes, trackers and all that

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Date: 4/03/2021 01:31:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705712
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:


doubtful that, if it were considered a strategy, is peculiar to whatever context

i’ve seen similar in exchanges regard who ate most of the chocolate, or yogurt, or biscuits

without saying too much, the machine eyes, trackers and all that

and yet that happen today

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Date: 4/03/2021 03:37:22
From: dv
ID: 1705720
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 4/03/2021 10:58:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705755
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



That’s disturbing.

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Date: 4/03/2021 11:08:39
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705759
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:


That’s disturbing.

But she didn’t question her version of the events.

How does one call a woman a lying cow without questioning her version of the events?

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Date: 4/03/2021 11:10:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705761
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:


That’s disturbing.

But she didn’t question her version of the events.

How does one call a woman a lying cow without questioning her version of the events?

If it was a lie then why then the hurry to dry clean the couch?

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Date: 4/03/2021 11:10:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705762
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Rule 303 said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s disturbing.

But she didn’t question her version of the events.

How does one call a woman a lying cow without questioning her version of the events?

If it was a lie then why then the hurry to dry clean the couch?

It’s so abusive. .

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Date: 4/03/2021 11:43:59
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705783
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg stands by Christian Porter after historical rape allegation denial

Being matey to a rapist / sleaze is not a good idea Josh.

He has corrupted the Attorney Generals office and should be replaced.

Get Rid of Him.

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Date: 4/03/2021 11:47:03
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705786
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Treasurer Josh Frydenberg stands by Christian Porter after historical rape allegation denial

Being matey to a rapist / sleaze is not a good idea Josh.

He has corrupted the Attorney Generals office and should be replaced.

Get Rid of Him.

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

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Date: 4/03/2021 11:50:41
From: Cymek
ID: 1705790
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg stands by Christian Porter after historical rape allegation denial

Being matey to a rapist / sleaze is not a good idea Josh.

He has corrupted the Attorney Generals office and should be replaced.

Get Rid of Him.

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Surely men can be attracted to or lust after a women they work with and that’s it, no touching, comments or inappropriate behaviour, its just being decent.

You shouldn’t need a code of conduct to tell you this

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Date: 4/03/2021 11:58:14
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705799
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg stands by Christian Porter after historical rape allegation denial

Being matey to a rapist / sleaze is not a good idea Josh.

He has corrupted the Attorney Generals office and should be replaced.

Get Rid of Him.

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Surely men can be attracted to or lust after a women they work with and that’s it, no touching, comments or inappropriate behaviour, its just being decent.

You shouldn’t need a code of conduct to tell you this

Emotions can override a code of conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:01:54
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705805
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

Rule 303 said:

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Surely men can be attracted to or lust after a women they work with and that’s it, no touching, comments or inappropriate behaviour, its just being decent.

You shouldn’t need a code of conduct to tell you this

Emotions can override a code of conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

That was badly worded Ill try it again

Emotions can override a person’s own conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:03:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705807
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Surely men can be attracted to or lust after a women they work with and that’s it, no touching, comments or inappropriate behaviour, its just being decent.

You shouldn’t need a code of conduct to tell you this

Emotions can override a code of conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

That was badly worded Ill try it again

Emotions can override a person’s own conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

In many circles this comes under risk management.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:05:00
From: dv
ID: 1705808
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg stands by Christian Porter after historical rape allegation denial

Being matey to a rapist / sleaze is not a good idea Josh.

He has corrupted the Attorney Generals office and should be replaced.

Get Rid of Him.

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Lol wtf

I’m no saint but I’ve never sexually assaulted a colleague, let alone dozens of them.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:05:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705809
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Even without the rape allegation, the 4 corners report is enough to convince that he is not an appropriate choice.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:06:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1705810
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg stands by Christian Porter after historical rape allegation denial

Being matey to a rapist / sleaze is not a good idea Josh.

He has corrupted the Attorney Generals office and should be replaced.

Get Rid of Him.

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Lol wtf

I’m no saint but I’ve never sexually assaulted a colleague, let alone dozens of them.

It’s the vibe.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:07:18
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705811
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:07:45
From: party_pants
ID: 1705812
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Even without the rape allegation, the 4 corners report is enough to convince that he is not an appropriate choice.

Yes. I think so too.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:09:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1705813
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:09:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705814
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Rule 303 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg stands by Christian Porter after historical rape allegation denial

Being matey to a rapist / sleaze is not a good idea Josh.

He has corrupted the Attorney Generals office and should be replaced.

Get Rid of Him.

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Lol wtf

I’m no saint but I’ve never sexually assaulted a colleague, let alone dozens of them.

same. Look this man has categorically denied every assault for the past 33 years.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:10:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705815
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

Technically they should report it before trying to wash it off.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:11:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705817
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

Particularly while being bullied in the workplace.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:14:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1705818
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

Particularly while being bullied in the workplace.

Well, sometimes the victims are not feeling strong enough to report it. Or they are in a situation where they still have contact with, or somehow have to deal with the perpetrator, it takes time for them to get into a new situation where they are free. That sort of thing.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:14:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705819
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

They used to have that NSW tv ad about hoons having themselves mocked with a little pinky representing their manhood. We should be promoting the idea that assaulting women is the basest, most emasculating act any man could do. So much a loser that they can’t get anything off a consenting partner..

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:15:07
From: Cymek
ID: 1705821
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

Particularly while being bullied in the workplace.

Women would often be at a disadvantage with this as men can physically intimidate them and be in a higher position of power
People have tried to bully me and I basically call them out or in the street tell them to get stuffed.
I’m not going to let anyone bully me

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:16:53
From: Cymek
ID: 1705822
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

They used to have that NSW tv ad about hoons having themselves mocked with a little pinky representing their manhood. We should be promoting the idea that assaulting women is the basest, most emasculating act any man could do. So much a loser that they can’t get anything off a consenting partner..

Or if a father with daughters how would you feel about it happening to them from some sleazy man

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:17:07
From: party_pants
ID: 1705823
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

They used to have that NSW tv ad about hoons having themselves mocked with a little pinky representing their manhood. We should be promoting the idea that assaulting women is the basest, most emasculating act any man could do. So much a loser that they can’t get anything off a consenting partner..

Do you really reckon that would work?

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:18:51
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

They used to have that NSW tv ad about hoons having themselves mocked with a little pinky representing their manhood. We should be promoting the idea that assaulting women is the basest, most emasculating act any man could do. So much a loser that they can’t get anything off a consenting partner..

Do you really reckon that would work?

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:19:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705826
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

They used to have that NSW tv ad about hoons having themselves mocked with a little pinky representing their manhood. We should be promoting the idea that assaulting women is the basest, most emasculating act any man could do. So much a loser that they can’t get anything off a consenting partner..

:)

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:19:49
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

I know that.

If women who were raped went to a doctor, a special rape clinic and documented the evidence, then the evidence is there, dna, bruises other injures, emotional trauma, when they leave it and try to get justice years after it happens, most of the evidence is gone. This does not help their cause.

We need to educate people to seek help when it happens, to protect the evidence, they can then press charges later when they are up to it.

There must be lots of other ways to deal with this.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:23:35
From: Cymek
ID: 1705835
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Women must report a rape as soon as it happens, I’m tired of this.

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

I know that.

If women who were raped went to a doctor, a special rape clinic and documented the evidence, then the evidence is there, dna, bruises other injures, emotional trauma, when they leave it and try to get justice years after it happens, most of the evidence is gone. This does not help their cause.

We need to educate people to seek help when it happens, to protect the evidence, they can then press charges later when they are up to it.

There must be lots of other ways to deal with this.

The PTSD and shame wouldn’t help

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:23:43
From: dv
ID: 1705836
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotions can override a code of conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

That was badly worded Ill try it again

Emotions can override a person’s own conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

In many circles this comes under risk management.

Gen Xers and younger have had it drummed into them throughout their working lives that sexual harassment was aberrent, abhorrent, deplorable career-ending behaviour. In a large organisation there will occasionally be cases but it’s a big deal. It’s news. Men who began their careers in the 60s and 70s might shrug it off and aay Yeah but we all do it, but people who got their start in the 80s developed in a different environment

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:25:34
From: Cymek
ID: 1705838
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

That was badly worded Ill try it again

Emotions can override a person’s own conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

In many circles this comes under risk management.

Gen Xers and younger have had it drummed into them throughout their working lives that sexual harassment was aberrent, abhorrent, deplorable career-ending behaviour. In a large organisation there will occasionally be cases but it’s a big deal. It’s news. Men who began their careers in the 60s and 70s might shrug it off and aay Yeah but we all do it, but people who got their start in the 80s developed in a different environment

Quite likely I think

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:29:21
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705839
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

You need to re-calibrate your understanding of human nature. It just doesn’t work out like that.

I know that.

If women who were raped went to a doctor, a special rape clinic and documented the evidence, then the evidence is there, dna, bruises other injures, emotional trauma, when they leave it and try to get justice years after it happens, most of the evidence is gone. This does not help their cause.

We need to educate people to seek help when it happens, to protect the evidence, they can then press charges later when they are up to it.

There must be lots of other ways to deal with this.

The PTSD and shame wouldn’t help

True, life education should bring in all these factors, it needs to be reinforced that’s ok to seek help.

That their privacy / evidence will be protected until they decide to press charges.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:29:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1705840
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

That was badly worded Ill try it again

Emotions can override a person’s own conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

In many circles this comes under risk management.

Gen Xers and younger have had it drummed into them throughout their working lives that sexual harassment was aberrent, abhorrent, deplorable career-ending behaviour. In a large organisation there will occasionally be cases but it’s a big deal. It’s news. Men who began their careers in the 60s and 70s might shrug it off and aay Yeah but we all do it, but people who got their start in the 80s developed in a different environment

I’d say the environment you are talking about started at least 20 years before the 80’s.

I’ve never heard anyone suggest that it’s OK because we all do it, even in a locker room.

Maybe I just didn’t go to the right sort of school.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:31:16
From: Woodie
ID: 1705841
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

That was badly worded Ill try it again

Emotions can override a person’s own conduct hence the need for a code of conduct to remind people of decent behaviour.

In many circles this comes under risk management.

Gen Xers and younger have had it drummed into them throughout their working lives that sexual harassment was aberrent, abhorrent, deplorable career-ending behaviour. In a large organisation there will occasionally be cases but it’s a big deal. It’s news. Men who began their careers in the 60s and 70s might shrug it off and aay Yeah but we all do it, but people who got their start in the 80s developed in a different environment

Take a letter, Miss Helfinger.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:33:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705842
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If people suicide over rape, its very difficult for the police to take a rape case to court.

Life education could deal with this.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:36:55
From: Cymek
ID: 1705844
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


If people suicide over rape, its very difficult for the police to take a rape case to court.

Life education could deal with this.

Assuming they don’t exist already a phone app could be created that records audio and video when triggered by certain words to document a rape and even phone police and give location.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:37:11
From: Woodie
ID: 1705845
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I know that.

If women who were raped went to a doctor, a special rape clinic and documented the evidence, then the evidence is there, dna, bruises other injures, emotional trauma, when they leave it and try to get justice years after it happens, most of the evidence is gone. This does not help their cause.

We need to educate people to seek help when it happens, to protect the evidence, they can then press charges later when they are up to it.

There must be lots of other ways to deal with this.

The PTSD and shame wouldn’t help

True, life education should bring in all these factors, it needs to be reinforced that’s ok to seek help.

That their privacy / evidence will be protected until they decide to press charges.

Have you told Brittany Higgins that?

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:37:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1705846
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

They used to have that NSW tv ad about hoons having themselves mocked with a little pinky representing their manhood. We should be promoting the idea that assaulting women is the basest, most emasculating act any man could do. So much a loser that they can’t get anything off a consenting partner..

Do you really reckon that would work?

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:39:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705847
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Do you really reckon that would work?

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

It is to deeply entrenched. It will take generations to completely weed it out.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:42:29
From: Cymek
ID: 1705849
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Do you really reckon that would work?

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

You could probably provided statistics on rape accusations saying the odd are its likely to be true as only 1 in whatever number are made up and many aren’t convicted due to something or other but aren’t necessarily innocent.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:49:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705851
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


If people suicide over rape, its very difficult for the police to take a rape case to court.

Life education could deal with this.

What stopped me from suiciding when I was 15 was that I worked out that I would be suiciding to hurt someone who hurt me and continued to hurt me and that it was the only way I could think of to return the hurt into their hands.

It was more than 33 years ago and I can still get triggered into thinking about it.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:51:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1705852
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Do you really reckon that would work?

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:51:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705853
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

If people suicide over rape, its very difficult for the police to take a rape case to court.

Life education could deal with this.

What stopped me from suiciding when I was 15 was that I worked out that I would be suiciding to hurt someone who hurt me and continued to hurt me and that it was the only way I could think of to return the hurt into their hands.

It was more than 33 years ago and I can still get triggered into thinking about it.

It was 30+ years before the girl who was lost in Christian Porters memory, took her life.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:52:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705854
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:54:44
From: Cymek
ID: 1705855
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Not sure if I mentioned it but my daughter and her friend were out (both are 14) and a teenage boy grabbed her friend bottom, my daughter slapped him across the face and he fell to the ground with tears in his eyes. I told her it was good she protected her friend

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:56:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1705857
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

If he was a close friend you might stand up for them but if you knew their reputation maybe not and surely you’d need to take a step back and say no comment if asked

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:56:40
From: dv
ID: 1705859
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Lol wtf

I’m no saint but I’ve never sexually assaulted a colleague, let alone dozens of them.

It’s the vibe.

Though I suppose technically it didn’t start with Weinstein but with the rape of Tarana Burke. It really kicked into gear following the Weinstein cases though.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:57:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

If he was a close friend you might stand up for them but if you knew their reputation maybe not and surely you’d need to take a step back and say no comment if asked

The thing is this man not only has a reputation that most people would back away from, he also has the reputation for “It never happened”.

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Date: 4/03/2021 12:59:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705865
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This report may have some bearing.

STATEMENT: STRIKE FORCE WYNDARRA UPDATE

Thursday, 04 March 2021 12:35:49 PM

On 27 February 2020, New South Wales Police Force detectives attached to the Child Abuse and Sex Crimes Squad met with the woman at Kings Cross Police Station. Also present was a friend of the woman in support.

The woman disclosed to investigators during this meeting that she had a number of health issues. She also advised investigators that she dissociates and wanted to ensure when supplying her statement that she was ‘coherent and as grounded as possible’.

At the woman’s instigation extensive discussion was had in relation to also having a support person with her during the making of her complaint statement.

At this time the primary concern of investigators was victim care and welfare. The woman indicated she had support from a number of sources, including both professional assistance and family support, including her partner.

Investigators had ongoing contact on at least five occasions with the woman over the next 3 months.

During the contact had with her, her ongoing welfare was discussed along with a plan for how and when her statement would be taken.

On 23 June 2020 the woman sent detectives an email indicating she no longer felt able to proceed with reporting the matter, citing medical and personal reasons.

The woman very clearly articulated in that email that she did not want to proceed with the complaint.

She also thanked investigators in this email. She was very grateful for the time and support the Investigators provided to her.

On 24 June 2020 a strike force detective replied to that email.

On 25 June 2020 South Australia Police advised Strike Force WYNDARRA investigators that the woman had passed away.

As previously indicated, it was only following the woman’s death that NSW Police came into possession of a personal document purportedly made by the woman sometime prior.

Putting an allegation to the person of interest:

From a legal and investigative standpoint, due diligence is required, particularly in historical sexual assault allegations, to ensure that the matter is comprehensively investigated and all available evidence is obtained, reviewed, and corroborated where possible.

Investigative strategies need to be considered as part of this best practice model.

Providing a version to a suspect prior to obtaining a formal statement would have an impact on any future investigative strategies.

It is current standard practice in sexual assault investigative training that upon all of the available information being obtained (in statement form) that the formal allegation can and should be provided to the person of interest as per the procedural fairness principles for investigators, to be able to determine prima facie and whether charging of the person is appropriate.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:00:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705866
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

ROFL

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:02:37
From: dv
ID: 1705867
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

In many circles this comes under risk management.

Gen Xers and younger have had it drummed into them throughout their working lives that sexual harassment was aberrent, abhorrent, deplorable career-ending behaviour. In a large organisation there will occasionally be cases but it’s a big deal. It’s news. Men who began their careers in the 60s and 70s might shrug it off and aay Yeah but we all do it, but people who got their start in the 80s developed in a different environment

I’d say the environment you are talking about started at least 20 years before the 80’s.

I’ve never heard anyone suggest that it’s OK because we all do it, even in a locker room.

Maybe I just didn’t go to the right sort of school.

I never heard it at school, just from gents of an older generation socially and in the workplace formely.
Now they just bitch about cancel culture.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:07:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705871
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s basically the level of contempt that I have for abusers. Am I an outlier?

Being an outlier or not is not really the question. My question was do you think a TV advertising campaign would work? We are talking about people wth deeply ingrained misogynistic ideas and patterns of behaviour. I know they have to be learned somewhere, but can you just overturn all of that with an ad campaign? I don’t like your chances.

You could probably provided statistics on rape accusations saying the odd are its likely to be true as only 1 in whatever number are made up and many aren’t convicted due to something or other but aren’t necessarily innocent.

let’s be fair the advertising could well have a role in a depth of strategy

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:09:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705873
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Rule 303 said:

Have we forgotten the ‘Me too’ campaign?

I guarantee you Josh, and probably every bloke in the room, has done things as bad and worse.

Lol wtf

I’m no saint but I’ve never sexually assaulted a colleague, let alone dozens of them.

It’s the vibe.

well all right we’ll be honest we haven’t used one of those on a colleague either, nor scores of them

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:11:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705875
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

ROFL

so let us get this straight then, a misogynist is innocent until beyond reasonable doubt guilty, but a female reporting that she has been raped is generally guilty of lying even if she’s the Bos

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:15:10
From: Cymek
ID: 1705876
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Gen Xers and younger have had it drummed into them throughout their working lives that sexual harassment was aberrent, abhorrent, deplorable career-ending behaviour. In a large organisation there will occasionally be cases but it’s a big deal. It’s news. Men who began their careers in the 60s and 70s might shrug it off and aay Yeah but we all do it, but people who got their start in the 80s developed in a different environment

I’d say the environment you are talking about started at least 20 years before the 80’s.

I’ve never heard anyone suggest that it’s OK because we all do it, even in a locker room.

Maybe I just didn’t go to the right sort of school.

I never heard it at school, just from gents of an older generation socially and in the workplace formely.
Now they just bitch about cancel culture.

Not sure about cancel culture, can you separate the person from their work and still be morally sound.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:19:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705877
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’d say the environment you are talking about started at least 20 years before the 80’s.

I’ve never heard anyone suggest that it’s OK because we all do it, even in a locker room.

Maybe I just didn’t go to the right sort of school.

I never heard it at school, just from gents of an older generation socially and in the workplace formely.
Now they just bitch about cancel culture.

Not sure about cancel culture, can you separate the person from their work and still be morally sound.

we see a range of workplace cultures and subcultures and it’s not all that common but certainly there’s still plenty of lad mentality out there

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:20:53
From: dv
ID: 1705878
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’d say the environment you are talking about started at least 20 years before the 80’s.

I’ve never heard anyone suggest that it’s OK because we all do it, even in a locker room.

Maybe I just didn’t go to the right sort of school.

I never heard it at school, just from gents of an older generation socially and in the workplace formely.
Now they just bitch about cancel culture.

Not sure about cancel culture, can you separate the person from their work and still be morally sound.

Well for sure. Shit, Weinstein was involved in some of the greatest movies ever made and I’m not going to boycott them.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:21:55
From: dv
ID: 1705879
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:22:22
From: Cymek
ID: 1705880
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

dv said:

I never heard it at school, just from gents of an older generation socially and in the workplace formely.
Now they just bitch about cancel culture.

Not sure about cancel culture, can you separate the person from their work and still be morally sound.

we see a range of workplace cultures and subcultures and it’s not all that common but certainly there’s still plenty of lad mentality out there

It’s easy say to call someone if you aren’t interested in them as an artist, but if you like them but how they act/acted is something you find wrong what should you do.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:23:36
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705881
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


If people suicide over rape, its very difficult for the police to take a rape case to court.

Life education could deal with this.

In Australia right now, for every 100 rapes, only 16 are reported to police, and only 4 are prosecuted.

This is very, very clearly not working.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:29:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705882
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:32:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705883
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

Yesterday Mr Porter said the substance of the allegation was never put to him before it appeared in the media last week.

NSW Police said they ordinarily provided a person of interest with the allegations once a formal statement was provided.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:33:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705884
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

Yesterday Mr Porter said the substance of the allegation was never put to him before it appeared in the media last week.

NSW Police said they ordinarily provided a person of interest with the allegations once a formal statement was provided.

Putting an allegation to the person of interest:

From a legal and investigative standpoint, due diligence is required, particularly in historical sexual assault allegations, to ensure that the matter is comprehensively investigated and all available evidence is obtained, reviewed, and corroborated where possible.

Investigative strategies need to be considered as part of this best practice model.

Providing a version to a suspect prior to obtaining a formal statement would have an impact on any future investigative strategies.

It is current standard practice in sexual assault investigative training that upon all of the available information being obtained (in statement form) that the formal allegation can and should be provided to the person of interest as per the procedural fairness principles for investigators, to be able to determine prima facie and whether charging of the person is appropriate.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:33:52
From: party_pants
ID: 1705885
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

We will never know, unless he changes his stance on the issue and confesses to it.

But the real problem is that he can never be convicted of it in a court of law. So is that a reason to stop talking about it and move on like nothing ever happened. The legal case might be closed, but is that the end of the matter.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:34:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705886
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

AND that is not really being discussed. One might consider that the office of the AG should go to someone above reproach. The office should carry some dignity.

Scomo could hae asked Porter to stand aside not because he thought him guilty but because he thought the office deserving of no mud slinging and disrepute.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:34:50
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705887
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

Yesterday Mr Porter said the substance of the allegation was never put to him before it appeared in the media last week.

NSW Police said they ordinarily provided a person of interest with the allegations once a formal statement was provided.

And they never got a formal statement ie they never informed him.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:35:33
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705888
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think the perpetrators mind-set is that rare. All you need is a vulnerable female and a male (possibly affected by drugs or alcohol) who thinks he’s entitled to take advantage. He’ll probably tell his mates about it the next day. The problem is that his mates will probably not call him out. This culture needs to change.

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

ROFL

Indeed, that works for them.

I mean, that really works for them.

My understanding is that if there’s no legal prosecution, the presumption of innocence is not applied, and in cases where only the parties involved could know the truth, the ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ test is not applied. In both cases ‘on the balance of probabilities’ is a much more useful and appropriate test.

Does this thinking act to significantly disadvantage men accused of rape? Fuck yeah. With bells on. It’s a hundred years over-due.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:35:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705890
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

We will never know, unless he changes his stance on the issue and confesses to it.

But the real problem is that he can never be convicted of it in a court of law. So is that a reason to stop talking about it and move on like nothing ever happened. The legal case might be closed, but is that the end of the matter.

right but it is a valid concern that you may need to limit vexatious accusations that will likely increase in frequency now that the idea has been planted, videre licet strawberry needles

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:36:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705891
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

Yesterday Mr Porter said the substance of the allegation was never put to him before it appeared in the media last week.

NSW Police said they ordinarily provided a person of interest with the allegations once a formal statement was provided.

And they never got a formal statement ie they never informed him.

Laughing all the way to his politician’s pension.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:37:56
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705893
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

We will never know, unless he changes his stance on the issue and confesses to it.

But the real problem is that he can never be convicted of it in a court of law. So is that a reason to stop talking about it and move on like nothing ever happened. The legal case might be closed, but is that the end of the matter.

It certainly is convenient if you’re a bloke with a guilty conscience.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:38:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705894
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

We will never know, unless he changes his stance on the issue and confesses to it.

But the real problem is that he can never be convicted of it in a court of law. So is that a reason to stop talking about it and move on like nothing ever happened. The legal case might be closed, but is that the end of the matter.

right but it is a valid concern that you may need to limit vexatious accusations that will likely increase in frequency now that the idea has been planted, videre licet strawberry needles

Wonder where he buys his strawberries?

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:39:00
From: transition
ID: 1705896
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

yeah I guess that’s a more convenient shallow angle on things, if one wanted to feel compelled for whatever reason to invest in the controversy, sort of distracts from the psychological rape by the firing squad of loose opinions

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:40:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705897
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

AND that is not really being discussed. One might consider that the office of the AG should go to someone above reproach. The office should carry some dignity.

Scomo could hae asked Porter to stand aside not because he thought him guilty but because he thought the office deserving of no mud slinging and disrepute.

perhaps but remember how Christian Porter is so high and mighty or is it dry that his standing aside is exactly what would bring it into disrepute, indeed, were our Glorious Champion Of Law And Order to stand aside then all of Australia would instantly degenerate into criminal anarchy

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:40:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705898
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

yeah I guess that’s a more convenient shallow angle on things, if one wanted to feel compelled for whatever reason to invest in the controversy, sort of distracts from the psychological rape by the firing squad of loose opinions

If so, why invest yourself in the controversy?

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:41:32
From: sibeen
ID: 1705899
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Scomo and friedonaburger have both not called Porter out. In fact they back up his presumption for innocence.

ROFL

Indeed, that works for them.

I mean, that really works for them.

My understanding is that if there’s no legal prosecution, the presumption of innocence is not applied, and in cases where only the parties involved could know the truth, the ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ test is not applied. In both cases ‘on the balance of probabilities’ is a much more useful and appropriate test.

Does this thinking act to significantly disadvantage men accused of rape? Fuck yeah. With bells on. It’s a hundred years over-due.

That makes absolutely no sense.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:43:23
From: Cymek
ID: 1705901
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Fair ROFL

I don’t much like Porter’s ‘tude but we don’t know whether he’s guilty

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

yeah I guess that’s a more convenient shallow angle on things, if one wanted to feel compelled for whatever reason to invest in the controversy, sort of distracts from the psychological rape by the firing squad of loose opinions

Politicians are right honourable so should act that way else they aren’t fit for the job, not many would be left though.

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:45:57
From: transition
ID: 1705902
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

What we do know he is guilty of, is not being fit for office. Particularly the office he is in.

yeah I guess that’s a more convenient shallow angle on things, if one wanted to feel compelled for whatever reason to invest in the controversy, sort of distracts from the psychological rape by the firing squad of loose opinions

If so, why invest yourself in the controversy?

i’m not, but you might consider for a moment the concept of psychological rape, additionally, the depravity of that

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:48:32
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705903
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ROFL

Indeed, that works for them.

I mean, that really works for them.

My understanding is that if there’s no legal prosecution, the presumption of innocence is not applied, and in cases where only the parties involved could know the truth, the ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ test is not applied. In both cases ‘on the balance of probabilities’ is a much more useful and appropriate test.

Does this thinking act to significantly disadvantage men accused of rape? Fuck yeah. With bells on. It’s a hundred years over-due.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Sure it does. Would you like me to explain it differently somehow?

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:53:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705904
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

yeah I guess that’s a more convenient shallow angle on things, if one wanted to feel compelled for whatever reason to invest in the controversy, sort of distracts from the psychological rape by the firing squad of loose opinions

If so, why invest yourself in the controversy?

i’m not, but you might consider for a moment the concept of psychological rape, additionally, the depravity of that

I’ve considered it often because it has been done to me..
Are you accusing me of raping Mr Porter?

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:57:21
From: transition
ID: 1705908
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

If so, why invest yourself in the controversy?

i’m not, but you might consider for a moment the concept of psychological rape, additionally, the depravity of that

I’ve considered it often because it has been done to me..
Are you accusing me of raping Mr Porter?

of course not

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Date: 4/03/2021 13:59:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705909
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

i’m not, but you might consider for a moment the concept of psychological rape, additionally, the depravity of that

I’ve considered it often because it has been done to me..
Are you accusing me of raping Mr Porter?

of course not

good.

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Date: 4/03/2021 14:29:04
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705930
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I submit for your edification some thoughts from a friend:

Sexual harassment is so vile on so many levels. It’s meant to make the woman tread an obstacle course that cannot be won by her. Her effort to try and dodge grenades lobbed at her is delicious for the douchebag throwing them.

Her panic and discomfort is the goal, and one slip-up is the invitation she does not intend. And it’s her to blame when she doesn’t handle it “clearly “.

What the hell is wrong with these men??

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Date: 4/03/2021 14:32:14
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


I submit for your edification some thoughts from a friend:

Sexual harassment is so vile on so many levels. It’s meant to make the woman tread an obstacle course that cannot be won by her. Her effort to try and dodge grenades lobbed at her is delicious for the douchebag throwing them.

Her panic and discomfort is the goal, and one slip-up is the invitation she does not intend. And it’s her to blame when she doesn’t handle it “clearly “.

What the hell is wrong with these men??

It’s what happens in a patriarchal society.

I saw this today. Not sure I can agree with the first point.
https://twitter.com/joeldtd/status/1367035994294263808?s=21

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Date: 4/03/2021 14:53:34
From: Cymek
ID: 1705938
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


I submit for your edification some thoughts from a friend:

Sexual harassment is so vile on so many levels. It’s meant to make the woman tread an obstacle course that cannot be won by her. Her effort to try and dodge grenades lobbed at her is delicious for the douchebag throwing them.

Her panic and discomfort is the goal, and one slip-up is the invitation she does not intend. And it’s her to blame when she doesn’t handle it “clearly “.

What the hell is wrong with these men??

Other men should be defending these women
Maybe in political office all women need to wear body cams

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Date: 4/03/2021 14:54:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705939
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Rule 303 said:

I submit for your edification some thoughts from a friend:

Sexual harassment is so vile on so many levels. It’s meant to make the woman tread an obstacle course that cannot be won by her. Her effort to try and dodge grenades lobbed at her is delicious for the douchebag throwing them.

Her panic and discomfort is the goal, and one slip-up is the invitation she does not intend. And it’s her to blame when she doesn’t handle it “clearly “.

What the hell is wrong with these men??

Other men should be defending these women
Maybe in political office all women need to wear body cams

would the footage still disappear?

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Date: 4/03/2021 15:10:45
From: Rule 303
ID: 1705945
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Rule 303 said:

I submit for your edification some thoughts from a friend:

Sexual harassment is so vile on so many levels. It’s meant to make the woman tread an obstacle course that cannot be won by her. Her effort to try and dodge grenades lobbed at her is delicious for the douchebag throwing them.

Her panic and discomfort is the goal, and one slip-up is the invitation she does not intend. And it’s her to blame when she doesn’t handle it “clearly “.

What the hell is wrong with these men??

It’s what happens in a patriarchal society.

I saw this today. Not sure I can agree with the first point.
https://twitter.com/joeldtd/status/1367035994294263808?s=21

>nods<

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Date: 4/03/2021 15:32:35
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705952
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

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Date: 4/03/2021 15:34:02
From: party_pants
ID: 1705953
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

only now? .. or did you just start the list today?

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Date: 4/03/2021 15:36:11
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705954
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

only now? .. or did you just start the list today?

Geez I started the Arsehole List years ago when Tony Abbott was PM.

Give me a moment, Ill find it.

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Date: 4/03/2021 15:55:40
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705955
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

only now? .. or did you just start the list today?

Geez I started the Arsehole List years ago when Tony Abbott was PM.

Give me a moment, Ill find it.

Here it is

The current Arsehole List

Tony Abbott (Gone)
Peter Dutton
Barnaby Joyce
Cory Bernardi (Gone)
Clive Palmer (Gone)
Pauline Hanson
Bob Katter
Fraser Anning (Gone)
George Christensen
David Leyonhjelm (Gone)
Eric Abetz
Kevin Andrews (Gone)
Angus Taylor
Craig Kelly
Scott Morrison (supporting a corrupted Attorney-General)
Christian Porter (corrupting the Attorney-General’s Office)

Morrison will be taken off when he dismisses Porter.

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Date: 4/03/2021 15:56:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

only now? .. or did you just start the list today?

Geez I started the Arsehole List years ago when Tony Abbott was PM.

Give me a moment, Ill find it.

Now look what you’ve done.

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Date: 4/03/2021 15:56:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1705958
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

They’re crude and primitive people, but there are still unfortunately plenty of Aussies who somehow find that sort of thing reassuring.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:02:49
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705959
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

They’re crude and primitive people, but there are still unfortunately plenty of Aussies who somehow find that sort of thing reassuring.

It is not reassuring having a corrupted Attorney-General’s office.

It certainly is not reassuring having a PM supporting a corrupted AG .

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:08:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

They’re crude and primitive people, but there are still unfortunately plenty of Aussies who somehow find that sort of thing reassuring.

It is not reassuring having a corrupted Attorney-General’s office.

It certainly is not reassuring having a PM supporting a corrupted AG .

It is also not reassuring to see the opposition support a corrupted government here and there.

But this is the worst I can remember it. We’ve come a long way since teddy bears and colour tvs.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:10:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1705965
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:11:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705966
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

They’re crude and primitive people, but there are still unfortunately plenty of Aussies who somehow find that sort of thing reassuring.

It is not reassuring having a corrupted Attorney-General’s office.

It certainly is not reassuring having a PM supporting a corrupted AG .

It is also not reassuring to see the opposition support a corrupted government here and there.

But this is the worst I can remember it. We’ve come a long way since teddy bears and colour tvs.

I hope the Opposition continues to put pressure on the Morrison Government on this matter.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:11:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



I think the public thinks differently.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:16:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1705970
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I imagine Mr I-fucking-hate-greenies would say about Porter & Scomo:

“They’re real blokes, thas why I vote for ‘em. They don’t let them fucken femnuss lezzos boss ‘em around. Too many fucken uppity women these days, they need showin wot’s wot in the only language they understand, a swiff fucken backhander.”

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:18:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705971
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

They’re crude and primitive people, but there are still unfortunately plenty of Aussies who somehow find that sort of thing reassuring.

It is not reassuring having a corrupted Attorney-General’s office.

It certainly is not reassuring having a PM supporting a corrupted AG .

It is also not reassuring to see the opposition support a corrupted government here and there.

But this is the worst I can remember it. We’ve come a long way since teddy bears and colour tvs.

don’t worry as they say the enemy of our enemy is our friend, when faced with the realisation that both major parties are full of misogynist assaulters and corruption, then both major parties will be defending The Institution against calls to hold them to account

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:19:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705972
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I imagine Mr I-fucking-hate-greenies would say about Porter & Scomo:

“They’re real blokes, thas why I vote for ‘em. They don’t let them fucken femnuss lezzos boss ‘em around. Too many fucken uppity women these days, they need showin wot’s wot in the only language they understand, a swiff fucken backhander.”

grabbem bytha kittens

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:19:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1705974
Subject: re: Aust Politics

We have a corrupted Attorney-General’s office.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:20:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1705975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

I think the public thinks differently.

sure give it 3 weeks and suddenly it’ll be all The Economy Must Grow is more important It’s All CHINA’s Fault and you watch from there

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:20:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1705976
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

They’re crude and primitive people, but there are still unfortunately plenty of Aussies who somehow find that sort of thing reassuring.

It’s not like the old days, when an impressive set of eyebrows was all it took to reassure the masses.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:21:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705977
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I imagine Mr I-fucking-hate-greenies would say about Porter & Scomo:

“They’re real blokes, thas why I vote for ‘em. They don’t let them fucken femnuss lezzos boss ‘em around. Too many fucken uppity women these days, they need showin wot’s wot in the only language they understand, a swiff fucken backhander.”

Which Mr IHFG is that? There are a number of them on our airwaves.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:22:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705979
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Scott Morrison dismisses calls for inquiry into historical rape allegation denied by Attorney-General Christian Porter

Porter and Morrison are both now on the arsehole list.

They’re crude and primitive people, but there are still unfortunately plenty of Aussies who somehow find that sort of thing reassuring.

It’s not like the old days, when an impressive set of eyebrows was all it took to reassure the masses.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:23:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1705980
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

I imagine Mr I-fucking-hate-greenies would say about Porter & Scomo:

“They’re real blokes, thas why I vote for ‘em. They don’t let them fucken femnuss lezzos boss ‘em around. Too many fucken uppity women these days, they need showin wot’s wot in the only language they understand, a swiff fucken backhander.”

Which Mr IHFG is that? There are a number of them on our airwaves.

The one who lives around the corner from me and has that message on the back of his ute.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:38:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706006
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Betoota Advocate:

‘Macquarie Dictionary Updates Definition Of Irony To Linda Reynolds Calling Someone A Lying Cow’

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:39:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706008
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Betoota Advocate:

‘Macquarie Dictionary Updates Definition Of Irony To Linda Reynolds Calling Someone A Lying Cow’

-> thesaurus.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:39:48
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706009
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Betoota Advocate:

‘Macquarie Dictionary Updates Definition Of Irony To Linda Reynolds Calling Someone A Lying Cow’

Linda Reynolds behaviour is disappointing.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:40:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


captain_spalding said:

Betoota Advocate:

‘Macquarie Dictionary Updates Definition Of Irony To Linda Reynolds Calling Someone A Lying Cow’

Linda Reynolds behaviour is disappointing.


I do think there are stronger words to describe this performance.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:41:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706011
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


captain_spalding said:

Betoota Advocate:

‘Macquarie Dictionary Updates Definition Of Irony To Linda Reynolds Calling Someone A Lying Cow’

Linda Reynolds behaviour is disappointing.

We’re not angry, Linda. Just disappointed.

‘The Advocate reached out to the Office of the Defence Minister but was told she’s still on the couch eating crumpets waiting for this whole mess to pass her by.’

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:42:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1706014
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Betoota Advocate:

‘Macquarie Dictionary Updates Definition Of Irony To Linda Reynolds Calling Someone A Lying Cow’

Linda Reynolds behaviour is disappointing.


I do think there are stronger words to describe this performance.

stainless steely

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:44:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706017
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Linda Reynolds behaviour is disappointing.


I do think there are stronger words to describe this performance.

stainless steely

Its not her job to be a court.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:45:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706018
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

I do think there are stronger words to describe this performance.

stainless steely

Its not her job to be a court.

However, it is her job to actually do it.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:50:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706021
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

stainless steely

Its not her job to be a court.

However, it is her job to actually do it.

Why?

Its not her job to say who’s guilty or not.

That’s a process for a court.

Brittany Higgins was raped by a male

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:52:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706023
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:

Its not her job to be a court.

I read that and thought, well, she seems to be making a good job of being just that.

Then it realised that it wasn’t that other word that starts with c and ends with t.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:53:25
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706024
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Its not her job to be a court.

However, it is her job to actually do it.

Why?

Its not her job to say who’s guilty or not.

That’s a process for a court.

Brittany Higgins was raped by a male

Ms Reynolds has nothing to do with it.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:56:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706025
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:

Ms Reynolds has nothing to do with it.

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

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Date: 4/03/2021 16:58:10
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706026
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Ms Reynolds has nothing to do with it.

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:00:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706028
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Ms Reynolds has nothing to do with it.

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

Don’t worry. She’ll be gone soon. A sacrifice is demanded, and it’s not going to be anyone with the initials ‘C.P.’

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:00:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706029
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Ms Reynolds has nothing to do with it.

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

If you look at it from the point of view of how a woman would or could feel about this?

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:00:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706030
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Ms Reynolds has nothing to do with it.

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

It would be great to get rid of the toxic culture that’s entrenched in Federal parliament.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:01:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706031
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

Don’t worry. She’ll be gone soon. A sacrifice is demanded, and it’s not going to be anyone with the initials ‘C.P.’

Apical dominance.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:02:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706033
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

It would be great to get rid of the toxic culture that’s entrenched in Federal parliament.

The Federal Parliament reflect the entrenched social culture.
Otherwise we would have had their heads in a basket.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:03:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706036
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

Don’t worry. She’ll be gone soon. A sacrifice is demanded, and it’s not going to be anyone with the initials ‘C.P.’

Apical dominance.

There’s a cure for that in horticultural terms. It is enabled by use of secateurs.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:09:48
From: Rule 303
ID: 1706050
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

She appears to have been knowingly complicit, reflexively defensive of her party colleague, and disparaging of a distressed young woman.

I dont think much of Ms Reynolds now.

Don’t worry. She’ll be gone soon. A sacrifice is demanded, and it’s not going to be anyone with the initials ‘C.P.’

Some would say yet another where a woman has taken the wrap.

Bye Bye Linda

(opens Betoota Advocate article)

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:10:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1706051
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Its not her job to be a court.

However, it is her job to actually do it.

Why?

Its not her job to say who’s guilty or not.

That’s a process for a court.

Brittany Higgins was raped by a male

oh c’m‘on you’re not going to pull some of that binary gender labelling shit now surely

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:17:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706067
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

However, it is her job to actually do it.

Why?

Its not her job to say who’s guilty or not.

That’s a process for a court.

Brittany Higgins was raped by a male

oh c’m‘on you’re not going to pull some of that binary gender labelling shit now surely

Ms Reynolds should have stayed out of it.

I suggest that if other MPs have a crime that is committed in their office, to stay out of it too, and let the law do the work.

favouring one employee over another when justice has not been done is unethical

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:18:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706068
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:19:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706069
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why?

Its not her job to say who’s guilty or not.

That’s a process for a court.

Brittany Higgins was raped by a male

oh c’m‘on you’re not going to pull some of that binary gender labelling shit now surely

Ms Reynolds should have stayed out of it.

I suggest that if other MPs have a crime that is committed in their office, to stay out of it too, and let the law do the work.

favouring one employee over another when justice has not been done is unethical

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

That’s just the problem you see? She is trying to stay out of it when she was actually the first informed and should have done her job.
OK ScoMo probably told her that her job was to be a cunt.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:20:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706070
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

This bullying must stop.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:21:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706071
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

That is why the atmosphere there is toxic.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:22:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706072
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

This bullying must stop.

Unfortunately, it’s a fact.

If politicians were to decide to adhere to a code of ethics, the lobbying industry would collapse overnight.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:22:38
From: Cymek
ID: 1706073
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

oh c’m‘on you’re not going to pull some of that binary gender labelling shit now surely

Ms Reynolds should have stayed out of it.

I suggest that if other MPs have a crime that is committed in their office, to stay out of it too, and let the law do the work.

favouring one employee over another when justice has not been done is unethical

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

That’s just the problem you see? She is trying to stay out of it when she was actually the first informed and should have done her job.
OK ScoMo probably told her that her job was to be a cunt.

Probably thought if its good enough for the churches then who are we to act different

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:23:31
From: party_pants
ID: 1706074
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

What do people get into politics for then? To spread their dystopian ideologies and force it upon society?

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:24:07
From: Cymek
ID: 1706075
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

This bullying must stop.

Unfortunately, it’s a fact.

If politicians were to decide to adhere to a code of ethics, the lobbying industry would collapse overnight.

Keep a dirt file on everyone and you yourself stay squeaky clean and if family messes up report it yourself instead of it being used against you

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:24:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706076
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:

Probably thought if its good enough for the churches then who are we to act different

Maybe he asked Brian Houston, ‘pastor, is it ok to conceal sexual wrongdoings by one’s colleagues or similar?’.

Pastor Brian reflected for a moment…

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:24:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1706077
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

What do people get into politics for then? To spread their dystopian ideologies and force it upon society?

Now you’re getting it.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:25:52
From: Cymek
ID: 1706078
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Unethical Ms Reynolds.

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

What do people get into politics for then? To spread their dystopian ideologies and force it upon society?

Somewhat I think, they certainly don’t do it to shake up the world and being about change for the better.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:28:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706080
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Federal parliament exists for the purpose of making law, people get elected to make law, ethics is part of law making along with logic and critical reasoning amongst others.

Dismissing ethics is poor law making.

Lots of poor law makers in Federal parliament.

Like 80 percent of them are terrible at making law.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:29:36
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706081
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Federal parliament exists for the purpose of making law, people get elected to make law, ethics is part of law making along with logic and critical reasoning amongst others.

Dismissing ethics is poor law making.

Lots of poor law makers in Federal parliament.

Like 80 percent of them are terrible at making law.

Having a corrupt Attorney-General does not help either.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:31:45
From: Cymek
ID: 1706082
Subject: re: Aust Politics

All politics are pretty conservative in views and philosophy, few changes here and there usually to get votes but nothing much to change the status quo or upset the donators.

Radical changes are needed or the planet and the future generations will suffer.

All sorts of industries shut down, profit no longer the driving factor, no social control by using a lack of money preventing you living well (not talking luxury but basic necessities)

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:31:50
From: dv
ID: 1706083
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scott Morrison says Linda Reynolds deeply regrets her ‘lying cow’ comments about Brittany Higgins
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-linda-reynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-ceynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-comments-about-brittany-higgins

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:33:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706085
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Scott Morrison says Linda Reynolds deeply regrets her ‘lying cow’ comments about Brittany Higgins
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-linda-reynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-ceynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-comments-about-brittany-higgins

Did we hear her say it though?

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:36:17
From: dv
ID: 1706086
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Scott Morrison says Linda Reynolds deeply regrets her ‘lying cow’ comments about Brittany Higgins
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-linda-reynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-ceynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-comments-about-brittany-higgins

Did we hear her say it though?

1 Cor 14:34

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:37:41
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1706088
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

You don’t get that far in politics with ‘ethics’.

What do people get into politics for then? To spread their dystopian ideologies and force it upon society?

Somewhat I think, they certainly don’t do it to shake up the world and being about change for the better.

So western society has progressed this last century through no help from pollies?

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:37:52
From: transition
ID: 1706089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Federal parliament exists for the purpose of making law, people get elected to make law, ethics is part of law making along with logic and critical reasoning amongst others.

Dismissing ethics is poor law making.

Lots of poor law makers in Federal parliament.

Like 80 percent of them are terrible at making law.

Having a corrupt Attorney-General does not help either.

reality isn’t held together by some labyrinthian construction of laws, just as the aberrant assertions allowed by the discretion of thought you enjoy isn’t, it’s more a space

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:40:26
From: Cymek
ID: 1706091
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

party_pants said:

What do people get into politics for then? To spread their dystopian ideologies and force it upon society?

Somewhat I think, they certainly don’t do it to shake up the world and being about change for the better.

So western society has progressed this last century through no help from pollies?

Some of course, but still the same old problems and was it them that bought about change or their hand forced by society

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:42:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1706093
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Somewhat I think, they certainly don’t do it to shake up the world and being about change for the better.

So western society has progressed this last century through no help from pollies?

Some of course, but still the same old problems and was it them that bought about change or their hand forced by society

maybe the word is “despite” and not “because of” maybe

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:45:42
From: Rule 303
ID: 1706097
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Scott Morrison says Linda Reynolds deeply regrets her ‘lying cow’ comments about Brittany Higgins
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-linda-reynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-ceynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-comments-about-brittany-higgins

Did we hear her say it though?

If the reports are correct, it was said in the presence of a group of staff in an open office.

I’m finding the questioning and doubting and demands for proof around this topic fucken outrageous, frankly – I can only imagine how women feel about it. It’s well past time we accepted that women profit nothing from fabricating claims of rape, but men get away with it in droves by planting that seed. I don’t know how a modern police service deals with it, but I sincerely hope it’s a lot better than the general public.

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Date: 4/03/2021 17:56:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706104
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Scott Morrison says Linda Reynolds deeply regrets her ‘lying cow’ comments about Brittany Higgins
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-linda-reynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-ceynolds-deeply-regrets-her-lying-cow-comments-about-brittany-higgins

Did we hear her say it though?

If the reports are correct, it was said in the presence of a group of staff in an open office.

I’m finding the questioning and doubting and demands for proof around this topic fucken outrageous, frankly – I can only imagine how women feel about it. It’s well past time we accepted that women profit nothing from fabricating claims of rape, but men get away with it in droves by planting that seed. I don’t know how a modern police service deals with it, but I sincerely hope it’s a lot better than the general public.

Scomo is already saying look over there.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison tours the site of what will soon be Australia’s first advanced manufacturing facility of lithium-ion batteries.
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Date: 4/03/2021 18:23:15
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1706140
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 4/03/2021 18:25:31
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1706145
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:



fuck being held to account.

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Date: 4/03/2021 18:26:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706148
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:


fuck being held to account.

In a nutshell.

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Date: 4/03/2021 18:36:45
From: party_pants
ID: 1706160
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:


fuck being held to account.

Well, this is sort of the crux of the matter.

We know that CP can’t realistically be prosecuted and convicted in a criminal court to the standard of “beyond reasonable doubt”. But is this standard the most appropriate to apply for a senior cabinet minister to keep his job? What standard of proof applies to employment generally, balance of probabilities or beyond reasonable doubt, or somewhere in between?

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Date: 4/03/2021 18:48:36
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1706173
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Scott Morrison has refused to apologise for accusing Save the Children workers of coaching self-harm among asylum seekers, claiming he never actually accused them, and only aired allegations presented to him at the time.” — Guardian Australia, May 8, 2016. Two separate inquiries exonerated the teachers, and in 2017 they were paid an undisclosed sum of compensation.

“We can’t have a system in this country where allegations are simply presented, and I’m not suggesting this in this case, but we can’t have a situation where the mere making of an allegation and that being publicised through the media is grounds for, you know, governments to stand people down simply on the basis of that.” — Prime Minister Scott Morrison, March 1, 2021.

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Date: 4/03/2021 18:50:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


“Scott Morrison has refused to apologise for accusing Save the Children workers of coaching self-harm among asylum seekers, claiming he never actually accused them, and only aired allegations presented to him at the time.” — Guardian Australia, May 8, 2016. Two separate inquiries exonerated the teachers, and in 2017 they were paid an undisclosed sum of compensation.

“We can’t have a system in this country where allegations are simply presented, and I’m not suggesting this in this case, but we can’t have a situation where the mere making of an allegation and that being publicised through the media is grounds for, you know, governments to stand people down simply on the basis of that.” — Prime Minister Scott Morrison, March 1, 2021.

Sorry Scotty. Didn’t mean to interrupt your meal at the trough.

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Date: 4/03/2021 18:54:15
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1706176
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


“Scott Morrison has refused to apologise for accusing Save the Children workers of coaching self-harm among asylum seekers, claiming he never actually accused them, and only aired allegations presented to him at the time.” — Guardian Australia, May 8, 2016. Two separate inquiries exonerated the teachers, and in 2017 they were paid an undisclosed sum of compensation.

“We can’t have a system in this country where allegations are simply presented, and I’m not suggesting this in this case, but we can’t have a situation where the mere making of an allegation and that being publicised through the media is grounds for, you know, governments to stand people down simply on the basis of that.” — Prime Minister Scott Morrison, March 1, 2021.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2021/04/2021/1614838595/moral-deadening

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Date: 4/03/2021 18:58:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1706178
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


ChrispenEvan said:

“Scott Morrison has refused to apologise for accusing Save the Children workers of coaching self-harm among asylum seekers, claiming he never actually accused them, and only aired allegations presented to him at the time.” — Guardian Australia, May 8, 2016. Two separate inquiries exonerated the teachers, and in 2017 they were paid an undisclosed sum of compensation.

“We can’t have a system in this country where allegations are simply presented, and I’m not suggesting this in this case, but we can’t have a situation where the mere making of an allegation and that being publicised through the media is grounds for, you know, governments to stand people down simply on the basis of that.” — Prime Minister Scott Morrison, March 1, 2021.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2021/04/2021/1614838595/moral-deadening

Even for a politician, that’s quite a double standard.

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Date: 4/03/2021 19:20:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1706196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


ChrispenEvan said:

“Scott Morrison has refused to apologise for accusing Save the Children workers of coaching self-harm among asylum seekers, claiming he never actually accused them, and only aired allegations presented to him at the time.” — Guardian Australia, May 8, 2016. Two separate inquiries exonerated the teachers, and in 2017 they were paid an undisclosed sum of compensation.

“We can’t have a system in this country where allegations are simply presented, and I’m not suggesting this in this case, but we can’t have a situation where the mere making of an allegation and that being publicised through the media is grounds for, you know, governments to stand people down simply on the basis of that.” — Prime Minister Scott Morrison, March 1, 2021.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/martin-mckenzie-murray/2021/04/2021/1614838595/moral-deadening

Sad, eh.

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Date: 4/03/2021 19:21:15
From: Rule 303
ID: 1706199
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


“Scott Morrison has refused to apologise for accusing Save the Children workers of coaching self-harm among asylum seekers, claiming he never actually accused them, and only aired allegations presented to him at the time.” — Guardian Australia, May 8, 2016. Two separate inquiries exonerated the teachers, and in 2017 they were paid an undisclosed sum of compensation.

“We can’t have a system in this country where allegations are simply presented, and I’m not suggesting this in this case, but we can’t have a situation where the mere making of an allegation and that being publicised through the media is grounds for, you know, governments to stand people down simply on the basis of that.” — Prime Minister Scott Morrison, March 1, 2021.

In defense of the architect of the RoboDebt debacle.

He’s taking the piss, of course, but as usual the dumbfucks will swallow it down like Manna.

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Date: 5/03/2021 02:21:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1706414
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Q+A panellists call for independent inquiry into Christian Porter historical rape allegation, following his strenuous denial

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Date: 5/03/2021 06:43:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706441
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So in effect, the only institution with current access to both sides of the story is the media.

Mr Porter is correct that this is an extremely unsatisfactory state of affairs.
Space to play or pause, M to mute, left and right arrows to seek, up and down arrows for volume.

Annabel Crabb’s view.

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Date: 5/03/2021 18:53:24
From: party_pants
ID: 1706650
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So, ballot papers have been drawn up and the orders decided, there are 8 candidates in my local seat. My letterbox was full of junk mail today.

Interestingly, the ALP propaganda gives out a list of 1 to 8 on their HTV card, whereas the Libs HTV just says start at 1 with their candidate and fill out the rest however you choose. Which is odd, never recall seeing that before. Also, the ALP lists the Lib candidate at 5 put of 8 instead of the usual dead last. None of them of course list who the other part candidates are, so I will have to look up the list.

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Date: 5/03/2021 19:01:16
From: party_pants
ID: 1706657
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/wa/2021/guide/bald

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/wa/2021/guide/bald”

Lol. Good luck getting my vote.

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Date: 5/03/2021 19:04:10
From: party_pants
ID: 1706661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I mistaked. The ALP are listing the Libs at 6, ahead of No Mandatory Vaccines at 7 and PHON at 8.

5G Karen is at 4, but deserves much lower on my list of preferences.

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Date: 5/03/2021 21:20:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1706745
Subject: re: Aust Politics

How Dare Schools Hold Parents Responsible For Instilling Ethical Behaviours In Students

https://www.smh.com.au/national/parents-allowing-drunken-parties-for-kids-enables-sexual-assaults-principals-warn-20210304-p577w1.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-05/principal-says-schools-cant-be-only-answer-to-consent-education/13216288

“Teachers are not trained in psychological care or rape counselling or anything, so I actually think they’re doing a phenomenal job to the best of their ability,” she said. “But we are also not going to win if the answer is only that schools need to be doing more.

“Because I can tell you, we are doing an enormous amount — and it’s not stemming the flow of what’s happening externally.”

Mr Bowden said he did not raise the issue to shift blame or downplay the importance of schools addressing the issue of consent. “However, unless we address the role of these sort of parties, young people will continue to damage themselves and one another,” he said. “I have heard it said that parties of this sort are a necessary rite of passage, and that they will happen anyway. I disagree. They are certainly a cultural phenomenon, but I think that in the interests of our young people’s wellbeing, we need to challenge the culture.”

Ms Contos has criticised what she described as “victim blaming” sentiments in some messages from principals, and urged them to focus on the core issue of sexual assault. “We live in a society where rape normalised,” she said.

Mr Dillon said teaching consent at school would not drive change without reinforcement of those messages at home. “Schools can teach everything positive about respectful relationships, but if go home and do not receive the same information … we are never going to see the cultural change we need,” he said.

Dannielle Miller, from Enlighten Education, which provides workshops on resilience and self-worth for girls in schools, said society should not limit women’s freedoms in response to sexual assaults, but parents should also be aware that alcohol and impulsive teens could be a dangerous combination.

Melinda Tankard-Reist, who speaks to school students about sexuality and porn, said the schools made “a fair point” about unsupervised parties and alcohol. “There’s a lot of intersecting factors,” she said. “It needs a whole of community approach. Everyone needs to be involved in helping to prevent the sexual assaults of girls on a huge scale.”

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Date: 6/03/2021 01:49:15
From: dv
ID: 1706819
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

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Date: 6/03/2021 01:56:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706821
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

Look I am sure you know the cunt cannot be tried by vigilantes as much as we’d love that to be so.

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Date: 6/03/2021 01:59:22
From: dv
ID: 1706822
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

Look I am sure you know the cunt cannot be tried by vigilantes as much as we’d love that to be so.

Right but in theory it could affect his reputation lol jk he’s already a minister in the Coalition

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:00:11
From: furious
ID: 1706823
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I don’t remember having dinner with anyone that long ago…

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:03:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

It seems pretty much all over. Meeting him for dinner years later presumably means the issue is now dead. It is surprising that he didn’t emphasise this point from the get-go, but maybe he genuinely forgot.

Yes, I know it doesn’t mean she wasn’t telling the truth, but from the point of view of PR he probably has little left to do now.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:04:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706825
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I don’t remember having dinner with anyone that long ago…

Too many drusgs.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:06:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706826
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

It seems pretty much all over. Meeting him for dinner years later presumably means the issue is now dead. It is surprising that he didn’t emphasise this point from the get-go, but maybe he genuinely forgot.

Yes, I know it doesn’t mean she wasn’t telling the truth, but from the point of view of PR he probably has little left to do now.

classic me ism

She went to dinner with me so that drunken nightmare didn’t happen. OK, I’ll stick with that.
evidenced in the images of his face when he was defending, “it didn’t happen”.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:11:57
From: dv
ID: 1706827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

It seems pretty much all over. Meeting him for dinner years later presumably means the issue is now dead. It is surprising that he didn’t emphasise this point from the get-go, but maybe he genuinely forgot.

Yes, I know it doesn’t mean she wasn’t telling the truth, but from the point of view of PR he probably has little left to do now.

Phew!

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:15:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1706829
Subject: re: Aust Politics

May as well get rid of Scomo. He’s had plenty of time to reshuffle and hasn’t. All he ever does is aid and abet coverups.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:19:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706830
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


May as well get rid of Scomo. He’s had plenty of time to reshuffle and hasn’t. All he ever does is aid and abet coverups.

As long as Rupert stays on side, Scomo presumably feels safe.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:20:53
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706831
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The ABC has been making life difficult for them so don’t be surprised if there are major moves against the public broadcaster before long.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:23:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1706832
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The ABC has been making life difficult for them so don’t be surprised if there are major moves against the public broadcaster before long.

Makes more sense to pay rupert for a service people pay for.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:25:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1706833
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:29:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1706835
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

I’ll have ‘who I had dinner with 33 years ago’ for 80 points please.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:31:13
From: sibeen
ID: 1706837
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

I’ll have ‘who I had dinner with 33 years ago’ for 80 points please.

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:32:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706838
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

I’ll have ‘who I had dinner with 33 years ago’ for 80 points please.

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

Janina.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:35:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1706840
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

I’ll have ‘who I had dinner with 33 years ago’ for 80 points please.

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

It’s a lot easier when there are no dinners.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:36:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1706841
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

I’ll have ‘who I had dinner with 33 years ago’ for 80 points please.

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

Janina.

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:40:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1706842
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

Janina.

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

That’s pretty awful.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:41:49
From: furious
ID: 1706843
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Janina.

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

That’s pretty awful.

That’s life. A fair bet these women don’t remember his name either…

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:46:19
From: sibeen
ID: 1706845
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Janina.

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:46:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706846
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In my turbulent youth I ended up in bed with large numbers of men, the great majority of whom I now wouldn’t be able to name or pick out from an identity parade.

Fortunately* that period rapidly petered out once I moved to the island.

*fortunately because that coincided with the onset of the AIDS crisis.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:47:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706847
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

I think you’re being very needlessly aggressive.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:49:38
From: sibeen
ID: 1706848
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

I think you’re being very needlessly aggressive.

SM has come at me quite often and told me to fuck off for very little reason. On this, especially at this time when she was basically accusing me of being abusive she can fuck off.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:50:10
From: furious
ID: 1706849
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

I think you’re being very needlessly aggressive.

I don’t…

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:50:12
From: furious
ID: 1706850
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

I think you’re being very needlessly aggressive.

I don’t…

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:50:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1706851
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

treated with respect=bumping uglies.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:50:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706852
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

I think you’re being very needlessly aggressive.

SM has come at me quite often and told me to fuck off for very little reason. On this, especially at this time when she was basically accusing me of being abusive she can fuck off.

I do agree that she was being unnecessarily judgmental, but let’s stop telling each other to fuck off.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:51:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706853
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

treated with respect=bumping uglies.

Yes that phrase was a bit awful.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:52:09
From: sibeen
ID: 1706854
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

treated with respect=bumping uglies.

Oh, FFS, we fucking rooted, is that what you want?

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:53:25
From: sibeen
ID: 1706855
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

treated with respect=bumping uglies.

Yes that phrase was a bit awful.

We made passionate love under the moonlit sky, the mosquitoes biting our arse.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:54:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706857
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

treated with respect=bumping uglies.

Yes that phrase was a bit awful.

We made passionate love under the moonlit sky, the mosquitoes biting our arse.

Dismissing people as “uglies” makes it sound a bit nasty.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:55:37
From: furious
ID: 1706858
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

treated with respect=bumping uglies.

Yes that phrase was a bit awful.

We made passionate love under the moonlit sky, the mosquitoes biting our arse.

Ridiculous. Chances are, these consenting adults think about it the same way…

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:56:29
From: furious
ID: 1706860
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes that phrase was a bit awful.

We made passionate love under the moonlit sky, the mosquitoes biting our arse.

Dismissing people as “uglies” makes it sound a bit nasty.

Do you even know the phrase? It isn’t about people, it’s about body parts…

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:56:31
From: sibeen
ID: 1706861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes that phrase was a bit awful.

We made passionate love under the moonlit sky, the mosquitoes biting our arse.

Dismissing people as “uglies” makes it sound a bit nasty.

Oh, FFS, bumping uglies is a generic saying for “we slept together”. It’s not sexist in any way, shape or form. It’s a saying.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:57:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706862
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

We made passionate love under the moonlit sky, the mosquitoes biting our arse.

Dismissing people as “uglies” makes it sound a bit nasty.

Oh, FFS, bumping uglies is a generic saying for “we slept together”. It’s not sexist in any way, shape or form. It’s a saying.

Ah. There you are then.

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Date: 6/03/2021 02:57:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706864
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It seems sarahs mum and I misinterpreted a key phrase in sibeen’s autobiography.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:10:40
From: dv
ID: 1706870
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:12:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706871
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

It is odd.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:16:44
From: furious
ID: 1706872
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

Never saw her again? After what? The last time he saw her? I haven’t seen lots of people for a long time, can I remember the last time I saw each individual?

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:19:27
From: sibeen
ID: 1706873
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

so what do we make of Porter forgetting that he had dinner with the complainant some years later?

On one hand … lying about it makes him seem dodgy. On the other, the fact that they had dinner together could be played as exculpatory

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

33 years ago…as a teenager. Really? If he was anything like me he wouldn’t have remembered the next day.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:19:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706874
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

Never saw her again? After what? The last time he saw her? I haven’t seen lots of people for a long time, can I remember the last time I saw each individual?

The difference is that he’s been publicly accused of raping her, which would surely concentrate the memory, whether or not the accusation is true.

And if he did remember meeting her for dinner some time later, why would he then deny it? Especially as that recollection would appear to be in his interest.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:22:44
From: furious
ID: 1706876
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


furious said:

dv said:

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

Never saw her again? After what? The last time he saw her? I haven’t seen lots of people for a long time, can I remember the last time I saw each individual?

The difference is that he’s been publicly accused of raping her, which would surely concentrate the memory, whether or not the accusation is true.

And if he did remember meeting her for dinner some time later, why would he then deny it? Especially as that recollection would appear to be in his interest.

If he did, he may be more inclined to remember. Claiming to not remember is not necessarily a sign of guilt…

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:24:28
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706877
Subject: re: Aust Politics

To me, the main point is that what’s been revealed about the fellow’s past reveals him to have been extremely and proudly sexist. This at a time when Scomo is making noises about Parliament needing to be more respectful of women.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:26:16
From: furious
ID: 1706879
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


To me, the main point is that what’s been revealed about the fellow’s past reveals him to have been extremely and proudly sexist. This at a time when Scomo is making noises about Parliament needing to be more respectful of women.

I am not defending the guy, he seems like a dirt bag, but the things being held against him are wafer thin…

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:33:05
From: sibeen
ID: 1706880
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I joined the army when I was 16 but just shy of 17. In that first year I lost my virginity, got yelled at quite a lot, wore a strange green uniform for a lot of the time and attended night school to continue my education.

I cannot for the life of me remember the first drill instructors name…and believe me, he was a cunt…but that was his job. I do remember the Platoon Sgt. Cannot remember the girls name. Cannot remember the night school teachers name and I had a crush on her big time. Cannot remember the date of Crab night, and that was huge, and something completely unknown outside that particular army camp.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:35:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1706881
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Bubblecar said:

To me, the main point is that what’s been revealed about the fellow’s past reveals him to have been extremely and proudly sexist. This at a time when Scomo is making noises about Parliament needing to be more respectful of women.

I am not defending the guy, he seems like a dirt bag, but the things being held against him are wafer thin…

+1

I’m with Terry O’Gorman, something like this can be politised too easily.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:35:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706882
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


I joined the army when I was 16 but just shy of 17. In that first year I lost my virginity, got yelled at quite a lot, wore a strange green uniform for a lot of the time and attended night school to continue my education.

I cannot for the life of me remember the first drill instructors name…and believe me, he was a cunt…but that was his job. I do remember the Platoon Sgt. Cannot remember the girls name. Cannot remember the night school teachers name and I had a crush on her big time. Cannot remember the date of Crab night, and that was huge, and something completely unknown outside that particular army camp.

Maybe you’re going senile.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:37:45
From: sibeen
ID: 1706883
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

I joined the army when I was 16 but just shy of 17. In that first year I lost my virginity, got yelled at quite a lot, wore a strange green uniform for a lot of the time and attended night school to continue my education.

I cannot for the life of me remember the first drill instructors name…and believe me, he was a cunt…but that was his job. I do remember the Platoon Sgt. Cannot remember the girls name. Cannot remember the night school teachers name and I had a crush on her big time. Cannot remember the date of Crab night, and that was huge, and something completely unknown outside that particular army camp.

Maybe you’re going senile.

There is that, but I’m fairly sure that if you’d asked me any of those questions twenty years ago the answer would have been the same.

Hey…maybe I’ve got early onset…

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:38:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1706884
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I remember the name of the boy I fell in love with at art school, who was a couple years younger than me.

It was that last brief infatuation that made me realise “falling in love” is a devious cognitive error.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:39:52
From: dv
ID: 1706885
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

Never saw her again? After what? The last time he saw her? I haven’t seen lots of people for a long time, can I remember the last time I saw each individual?

Can you remember whether the last time you saw them was in the late 80s or the mid 90s? Yeah probably.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:41:32
From: sibeen
ID: 1706887
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


furious said:

dv said:

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

Never saw her again? After what? The last time he saw her? I haven’t seen lots of people for a long time, can I remember the last time I saw each individual?

Can you remember whether the last time you saw them was in the late 80s or the mid 90s? Yeah probably.

Yeah…nah.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:44:42
From: dv
ID: 1706888
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

33 years ago…as a teenager. Really? If he was anything like me he wouldn’t have remembered the next day.

He was 24 when they met for dinner, six years after the alleged rape.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:44:53
From: furious
ID: 1706889
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


furious said:

dv said:

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

Never saw her again? After what? The last time he saw her? I haven’t seen lots of people for a long time, can I remember the last time I saw each individual?

Can you remember whether the last time you saw them was in the late 80s or the mid 90s? Yeah probably.

The other day, I saw a person i haven’t seen in a long while. It was either the late 1990s or early 2000s but I really couldn’t say…

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:49:13
From: dv
ID: 1706890
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Columbo: Just one more thing, Mr Chase…

Fielding Chase : Yes, Lieutenant, there’s always one more thing. Do you have a problem with short term memory? Perhaps you should consult a physician.

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Date: 6/03/2021 03:58:36
From: dv
ID: 1706891
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I mean there are plenty of outs as he could indeed just have forgotten. If I found out that someone accused me of raping her in 1988 I’d probably think really hard about when and where I’d met her but not everyone is like that. And even if he did lie about it it’s not damning: .ay e he just wanted a glib answer to make it all go away.

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Date: 6/03/2021 07:23:29
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1706894
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


I joined the army when I was 16 but just shy of 17. In that first year I lost my virginity, got yelled at quite a lot, wore a strange green uniform for a lot of the time and attended night school to continue my education.

I cannot for the life of me remember the first drill instructors name…and believe me, he was a cunt…but that was his job. I do remember the Platoon Sgt. Cannot remember the girls name. Cannot remember the night school teachers name and I had a crush on her big time. Cannot remember the date of Crab night, and that was huge, and something completely unknown outside that particular army camp.

I blame the alcohol.

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Date: 6/03/2021 08:35:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706901
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

Janina.

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

Alzheimers.

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Date: 6/03/2021 08:45:00
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1706903
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Janina.

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

Alzheimers.

Not Alzheimers as you tend to remember what happened years ago like it was yesterday.

Sounds like a case of selective memory :-)

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Date: 6/03/2021 09:05:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706920
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

Alzheimers.

Not Alzheimers as you tend to remember what happened years ago like it was yesterday.

Sounds like a case of selective memory :-)

Dementia then?

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Date: 6/03/2021 09:53:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1706934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

Alzheimers.

Not Alzheimers as you tend to remember what happened years ago like it was yesterday.

Sounds like a case of selective memory :-)

Dementia then?

is it possible that one could engage in sexual activity with someone and then forget that it happened at that specific time

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Date: 6/03/2021 10:53:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1706938
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 6/03/2021 11:00:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1706940
Subject: re: Aust Politics

is that from hong kong

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Date: 6/03/2021 11:06:23
From: Michael V
ID: 1706941
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:



:)

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Date: 6/03/2021 11:16:07
From: Arts
ID: 1706943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

Not Alzheimers as you tend to remember what happened years ago like it was yesterday.

Sounds like a case of selective memory :-)

Dementia then?

is it possible that one could engage in sexual activity with someone and then forget that it happened at that specific time

yes, but this is not cold remembering, this is with prompts… when a witness to a cold case is requestioned, they are taken back to the moment.. the prompts include the first words “Take me back to that night/day..” and as someone starts to recall an incident, they inject a whole bunch of other things.. if I come up to you and said “what were you doing at midday on a day in 1989” of course you are going to struggle to remember… but that’s not what is done.. it’s a slow recall “Lets go back to that time..” and we start with things that are indisputable like age, school or work, maybe start thinking about the weather, what sort of car you had.. etc.. all of those memories promo other recalls… although, the human brain is subject to false memories but only if they are wrapped in real ones that seem to authenticate them…

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Date: 6/03/2021 11:34:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1706948
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

Not Alzheimers as you tend to remember what happened years ago like it was yesterday.

Sounds like a case of selective memory :-)

Dementia then?

is it possible that one could engage in sexual activity with someone and then forget that it happened at that specific time

I know the names of all the girls with whom I had intimate relations. Going back more than fifty years Mightn’t be able to tell you the exact dates but I can tell the years and the places and the month and the girl in question. Still good friends with all of them.

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Date: 6/03/2021 13:26:41
From: dv
ID: 1706998
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 6/03/2021 13:31:11
From: party_pants
ID: 1707001
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



People calling for an independent inquiry, not a media trial.

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Date: 6/03/2021 15:10:35
From: dv
ID: 1707019
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2021/03/06/christian-porter-accusations-and-denials/161494920011227#mtr

(Excerpts)

It took one week for Australia’s first law officer, Christian Porter, to come out of hiding. In those seven days, he and his prime minister did everything to minimise the grave allegations of a violent historic rape. Porter has issued vehement denials and attempted the demolition of the claims against him. A dark cloud still enshrouds the government of the nation.

The strategy Porter and Scott Morrison determined initially during a fraught mid-evening conversation on Wednesday of last week is simply not fit for purpose. The purpose, as outlined by the prime minister at his news conference on Monday, was for the police to investigate and to have the last word on the matter. Few could doubt Porter – a former police prosecutor – wouldn’t be well aware of the advantages of pushing this course of action as a survival strategy.

Put simply, Porter’s denials of a rape that allegedly occurred in Sydney on January 9, 1988, could not be directly tested against his accuser’s testimony. The woman took her own life in June 2020. Furthermore, according to a New South Wales Police statement released on Tuesday, “for various reasons the woman did not detail her allegations in a formal statement” to them. Key among these reasons was the Covid-19 pandemic preventing police from flying to her home in Adelaide to interview her.

But the woman had prepared a detailed statement that was intended to form the basis of her complaint. Besides this statement, extensive diary entries and a digitally recorded conversation with her recounting her trauma exist, along with declarations from a number of her friends. Some people she confided in were interviewed for the ABC’s Four Corners program “Inside the Canberra Bubble”, which aired in November last year. Their contributions didn’t make the final cut because the ABC’s lawyers advised they could run afoul of Australia’s extremely restrictive defamation laws. Never mind that there is a clear public interest in the propriety of those who make up the engine room of the country’s government.

Spurred on by the courage of former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins, friends of Porter’s accuser last week anonymously sent her unsigned statement and a dossier to the prime minister and other politicians.

———

And this is precisely where Morrison is falling short. For some unfathomable reason he makes a virtue of being uninformed. He admitted at his news conference that he had not read the 30-page dossier sent to him. He also took scant notice of the Four Corners program that last year raised questions about the behaviour of two of his cabinet ministers, Alan Tudge and Christian Porter. He dismissed what he had heard as “rumours” being checked out by an “ABC investigative journalist making some inquiries”. He said he tended not “to pay attention to rumours”.

More is the pity. Because had he been more curious, he and Porter would have been in a much stronger position to defend themselves when these serious allegations became a major news story creating a scandal for the government.

Morrison’s attempt to distance himself from his responsibilities as a prime minister is jarring. And it is in stark contrast to postures he has previously taken.

In October 2018, for example, Morrison issued a moving apology in the parliament to the victims of child sexual abuse. “As a nation, we confront our failure to listen, to believe and to provide justice. And again today, we say sorry,” he said.

More recently, with the help of his wife, Jenny, Morrison was eventually able to come around to believing Brittany Higgins.

But the prime minister has not been able to summon such empathy for the woman who levelled accusations against Porter.

Morrison made it crystal clear on Monday that he believes Porter’s vigorous denials. In fact, Morrison claimed it wasn’t up to him to believe or disbelieve them, rather it was up to the police. They are the ones to determine the “veracity of any allegations”, he said, because unlike him they are trained, competent and authorised to do so.

It was a statement strongly reminiscent of the “I don’t hold a hose, mate” that Morrison offered when faced with criticism for being overseas at the height of the Black Summer bushfires catastrophe.

When you think about it, this disavowal of the need for him as prime minister to make his own belief judgement on the matter is close to gobbledygook. His immediate predecessor in the top job was scornful. Malcolm Turnbull told the ABC it was “frankly not good enough for the prime minister to say, ‘Oh, it’s a matter for police.’ The prime minister cannot outsource his responsibility for composing his ministry to the police.”

As it stands, the police didn’t do the job the PM led us all to believe they would. They did not complete an investigation into the complaint, nor did they interview anybody. Porter says he didn’t hear from them.

The New South Wales Police statement noted that after the woman’s death they came “into possession of a personal document purportedly made by the woman previously”. They sought legal advice and, based on the information provided, “there is insufficient admissible evidence to proceed”. And then they took away the shield Morrison had been hiding behind: “As such NSW Police Force has determined the matter is now closed.”

—-

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Date: 6/03/2021 15:20:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1707021
Subject: re: Aust Politics

is it true that up to the point they conceded, there were desperate efforts to scrub the online record of where he was and what he was doing at the time when the supine bovine alleged he raped her

⚠ this post may contain sarcasm

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Date: 6/03/2021 15:34:06
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707025
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/too-many-of-us-believe-women-lie-about-rape-in-fact-they-rarely-report-it-20210305-p57889.html

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Date: 6/03/2021 16:15:57
From: dv
ID: 1707027
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/too-many-of-us-believe-women-lie-about-rape-in-fact-they-rarely-report-it-20210305-p57889.html

According to the AIFS report called “Challenging misconceptions about sexual offending” (2017), about 5% of rape allegations are false.

https://apo.org.au/sites/default/files/resource-files/2017-09/apo-nid107216_1.pdf
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Date: 6/03/2021 16:39:02
From: dv
ID: 1707033
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 6/03/2021 17:01:21
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1707041
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



This time the green ballot paper in WA is around a metre long with a long list of people seeking your vote, most of which are totally unknown to the voter. To mark it with any care would take some time and likely to be incorrectly marked. So what is the difference? There does need to be a better way.

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Date: 6/03/2021 17:13:39
From: party_pants
ID: 1707046
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


dv said:


This time the green ballot paper in WA is around a metre long with a long list of people seeking your vote, most of which are totally unknown to the voter. To mark it with any care would take some time and likely to be incorrectly marked. So what is the difference? There does need to be a better way.

I had an idea for a better way a while back.

Using a quota and remainder system. Say you had 10 seats up for grabs, just o make it a nice round number, so the quota for one seat would be 10%. So the first round of allocations you take every party that won 10% of the vote and give them one seat for every whole 10%, with whatever they’ve got left being their remainder. So a party with 42% of the votes would get 4 seats with a remainder of 2%, a party with 27% of the vote would get 2 seats with a remainder 7%, a party that got 8% of the vote would get 0 seats and have a remainder of 8%. This will not likely allocate all 10 seats, there will be some left over.

So in the second round the parties with the highest remainder get allocated a seat until all seats are filled. In the example above, the party with 8% would get a seat ahead of the party with 7%, who would be ahead of the party with 2%.

It kind of ensures that party will get around about the right number of seats. The party with 42% will get 4 but are unlikely to get 5. The party with 27% will get at least 2 and possibly 3 depending on how other parties did. The party with 8% has a strong chance of getting a seat but is not guaranteed.

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Date: 6/03/2021 19:33:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1707092
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2021/03/06/christian-porter-accusations-and-denials/161494920011227#mtr

(Excerpts)

It took one week for Australia’s first law officer, Christian Porter, to come out of hiding. In those seven days, he and his prime minister did everything to minimise the grave allegations of a violent historic rape. Porter has issued vehement denials and attempted the demolition of the claims against him. A dark cloud still enshrouds the government of the nation.

The strategy Porter and Scott Morrison determined initially during a fraught mid-evening conversation on Wednesday of last week is simply not fit for purpose. The purpose, as outlined by the prime minister at his news conference on Monday, was for the police to investigate and to have the last word on the matter. Few could doubt Porter – a former police prosecutor – wouldn’t be well aware of the advantages of pushing this course of action as a survival strategy.

Put simply, Porter’s denials of a rape that allegedly occurred in Sydney on January 9, 1988, could not be directly tested against his accuser’s testimony. The woman took her own life in June 2020. Furthermore, according to a New South Wales Police statement released on Tuesday, “for various reasons the woman did not detail her allegations in a formal statement” to them. Key among these reasons was the Covid-19 pandemic preventing police from flying to her home in Adelaide to interview her.

But the woman had prepared a detailed statement that was intended to form the basis of her complaint. Besides this statement, extensive diary entries and a digitally recorded conversation with her recounting her trauma exist, along with declarations from a number of her friends. Some people she confided in were interviewed for the ABC’s Four Corners program “Inside the Canberra Bubble”, which aired in November last year. Their contributions didn’t make the final cut because the ABC’s lawyers advised they could run afoul of Australia’s extremely restrictive defamation laws. Never mind that there is a clear public interest in the propriety of those who make up the engine room of the country’s government.

Spurred on by the courage of former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins, friends of Porter’s accuser last week anonymously sent her unsigned statement and a dossier to the prime minister and other politicians.

———

And this is precisely where Morrison is falling short. For some unfathomable reason he makes a virtue of being uninformed. He admitted at his news conference that he had not read the 30-page dossier sent to him. He also took scant notice of the Four Corners program that last year raised questions about the behaviour of two of his cabinet ministers, Alan Tudge and Christian Porter. He dismissed what he had heard as “rumours” being checked out by an “ABC investigative journalist making some inquiries”. He said he tended not “to pay attention to rumours”.

More is the pity. Because had he been more curious, he and Porter would have been in a much stronger position to defend themselves when these serious allegations became a major news story creating a scandal for the government.

Morrison’s attempt to distance himself from his responsibilities as a prime minister is jarring. And it is in stark contrast to postures he has previously taken.

In October 2018, for example, Morrison issued a moving apology in the parliament to the victims of child sexual abuse. “As a nation, we confront our failure to listen, to believe and to provide justice. And again today, we say sorry,” he said.

More recently, with the help of his wife, Jenny, Morrison was eventually able to come around to believing Brittany Higgins.

But the prime minister has not been able to summon such empathy for the woman who levelled accusations against Porter.

Morrison made it crystal clear on Monday that he believes Porter’s vigorous denials. In fact, Morrison claimed it wasn’t up to him to believe or disbelieve them, rather it was up to the police. They are the ones to determine the “veracity of any allegations”, he said, because unlike him they are trained, competent and authorised to do so.

It was a statement strongly reminiscent of the “I don’t hold a hose, mate” that Morrison offered when faced with criticism for being overseas at the height of the Black Summer bushfires catastrophe.

When you think about it, this disavowal of the need for him as prime minister to make his own belief judgement on the matter is close to gobbledygook. His immediate predecessor in the top job was scornful. Malcolm Turnbull told the ABC it was “frankly not good enough for the prime minister to say, ‘Oh, it’s a matter for police.’ The prime minister cannot outsource his responsibility for composing his ministry to the police.”

As it stands, the police didn’t do the job the PM led us all to believe they would. They did not complete an investigation into the complaint, nor did they interview anybody. Porter says he didn’t hear from them.

The New South Wales Police statement noted that after the woman’s death they came “into possession of a personal document purportedly made by the woman previously”. They sought legal advice and, based on the information provided, “there is insufficient admissible evidence to proceed”. And then they took away the shield Morrison had been hiding behind: “As such NSW Police Force has determined the matter is now closed.”

—-

That is just a typical political rant from the Saturday paper.
I heard Terry O’Gorman’s take on the matter on the radio but I cant find it on line, I thought he nailed it.

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Date: 6/03/2021 19:45:32
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707097
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2021/03/06/christian-porter-accusations-and-denials/161494920011227#mtr

(Excerpts)

It took one week for Australia’s first law officer, Christian Porter, to come out of hiding. In those seven days, he and his prime minister did everything to minimise the grave allegations of a violent historic rape. Porter has issued vehement denials and attempted the demolition of the claims against him. A dark cloud still enshrouds the government of the nation.

The strategy Porter and Scott Morrison determined initially during a fraught mid-evening conversation on Wednesday of last week is simply not fit for purpose. The purpose, as outlined by the prime minister at his news conference on Monday, was for the police to investigate and to have the last word on the matter. Few could doubt Porter – a former police prosecutor – wouldn’t be well aware of the advantages of pushing this course of action as a survival strategy.

Put simply, Porter’s denials of a rape that allegedly occurred in Sydney on January 9, 1988, could not be directly tested against his accuser’s testimony. The woman took her own life in June 2020. Furthermore, according to a New South Wales Police statement released on Tuesday, “for various reasons the woman did not detail her allegations in a formal statement” to them. Key among these reasons was the Covid-19 pandemic preventing police from flying to her home in Adelaide to interview her.

But the woman had prepared a detailed statement that was intended to form the basis of her complaint. Besides this statement, extensive diary entries and a digitally recorded conversation with her recounting her trauma exist, along with declarations from a number of her friends. Some people she confided in were interviewed for the ABC’s Four Corners program “Inside the Canberra Bubble”, which aired in November last year. Their contributions didn’t make the final cut because the ABC’s lawyers advised they could run afoul of Australia’s extremely restrictive defamation laws. Never mind that there is a clear public interest in the propriety of those who make up the engine room of the country’s government.

Spurred on by the courage of former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins, friends of Porter’s accuser last week anonymously sent her unsigned statement and a dossier to the prime minister and other politicians.

———

And this is precisely where Morrison is falling short. For some unfathomable reason he makes a virtue of being uninformed. He admitted at his news conference that he had not read the 30-page dossier sent to him. He also took scant notice of the Four Corners program that last year raised questions about the behaviour of two of his cabinet ministers, Alan Tudge and Christian Porter. He dismissed what he had heard as “rumours” being checked out by an “ABC investigative journalist making some inquiries”. He said he tended not “to pay attention to rumours”.

More is the pity. Because had he been more curious, he and Porter would have been in a much stronger position to defend themselves when these serious allegations became a major news story creating a scandal for the government.

Morrison’s attempt to distance himself from his responsibilities as a prime minister is jarring. And it is in stark contrast to postures he has previously taken.

In October 2018, for example, Morrison issued a moving apology in the parliament to the victims of child sexual abuse. “As a nation, we confront our failure to listen, to believe and to provide justice. And again today, we say sorry,” he said.

More recently, with the help of his wife, Jenny, Morrison was eventually able to come around to believing Brittany Higgins.

But the prime minister has not been able to summon such empathy for the woman who levelled accusations against Porter.

Morrison made it crystal clear on Monday that he believes Porter’s vigorous denials. In fact, Morrison claimed it wasn’t up to him to believe or disbelieve them, rather it was up to the police. They are the ones to determine the “veracity of any allegations”, he said, because unlike him they are trained, competent and authorised to do so.

It was a statement strongly reminiscent of the “I don’t hold a hose, mate” that Morrison offered when faced with criticism for being overseas at the height of the Black Summer bushfires catastrophe.

When you think about it, this disavowal of the need for him as prime minister to make his own belief judgement on the matter is close to gobbledygook. His immediate predecessor in the top job was scornful. Malcolm Turnbull told the ABC it was “frankly not good enough for the prime minister to say, ‘Oh, it’s a matter for police.’ The prime minister cannot outsource his responsibility for composing his ministry to the police.”

As it stands, the police didn’t do the job the PM led us all to believe they would. They did not complete an investigation into the complaint, nor did they interview anybody. Porter says he didn’t hear from them.

The New South Wales Police statement noted that after the woman’s death they came “into possession of a personal document purportedly made by the woman previously”. They sought legal advice and, based on the information provided, “there is insufficient admissible evidence to proceed”. And then they took away the shield Morrison had been hiding behind: “As such NSW Police Force has determined the matter is now closed.”

—-

That is just a typical political rant from the Saturday paper.
I heard Terry O’Gorman’s take on the matter on the radio but I cant find it on line, I thought he nailed it.

is he the guy with the one member, him, civil liberties council? a name he pinched from the original?

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Date: 6/03/2021 19:49:03
From: dv
ID: 1707099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

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Date: 6/03/2021 19:53:14
From: Rule 303
ID: 1707103
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

They walk among us.

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Date: 6/03/2021 19:56:24
From: Ian
ID: 1707106
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


dv said:

Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

They walk among us.

Hildebrand is a tool.

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Date: 6/03/2021 20:01:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1707109
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


dv said:

Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

They walk among us.

Oh, that dipshit.

Had to look him up to be sure, but, yeah, it’s him.

All mouth, no brain. Says anything, doesn’t matter, he’ll say something worse in a minute. Gets paid for being ‘controversial’ (at least, that’s what he tells the network) when in reality he gets paid for being that stupid bloke who always seems to be on the fringe of your circle of friends and whom you suspect that several of that circle would like to join you in thumping the shit out of, but you’re all too polite.

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Date: 6/03/2021 20:18:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1707116
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Weather here is:

light showers in the late afternoon today, followed by a steady and strong NE breeze.

This is in line with the adage:

‘If the rain before the wind
the your topsails you must mind
If the wind before the rain
Fear not and hoist them out again’

That is, rain first, wind after: it ‘ll blow strong for a while. Wind first, rain after: comparative calm to come.

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Date: 6/03/2021 20:18:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1707117
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Weather here is:

light showers in the late afternoon today, followed by a steady and strong NE breeze.

This is in line with the adage:

‘If the rain before the wind
the your topsails you must mind
If the wind before the rain
Fear not and hoist them out again’

That is, rain first, wind after: it ‘ll blow strong for a while. Wind first, rain after: comparative calm to come.

Aaaaand….wrong thread, again.

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Date: 6/03/2021 21:12:59
From: transition
ID: 1707143
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

it sounds obscenely inappropriate, but the reflection it probably intends to provoke is the question of what would have the deceases wanted, which is possibly a very alien idea in the land of the living, the living aren’t necessarily expert on that subject, possibly even secretly hostile, I mean people are hostile toward death (they generally avoid it), no less so toward anything that might qualify as unnatural death, people hardly study it (the contradictions), a license is assumed of unnatural death, especially once projected into the news

but there you go, it’s wild now, people are colluding to make their interest respectable

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Date: 6/03/2021 21:35:53
From: buffy
ID: 1707149
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

it sounds obscenely inappropriate, but the reflection it probably intends to provoke is the question of what would have the deceases wanted, which is possibly a very alien idea in the land of the living, the living aren’t necessarily expert on that subject, possibly even secretly hostile, I mean people are hostile toward death (they generally avoid it), no less so toward anything that might qualify as unnatural death, people hardly study it (the contradictions), a license is assumed of unnatural death, especially once projected into the news

but there you go, it’s wild now, people are colluding to make their interest respectable

My suspicion is that the meaning is that she would be very uncomfortable and unhappy about how things are going, which would make the whole thing even more distressing to her than it already was. But it is extremely badly worded if that is the meaning.

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Date: 6/03/2021 21:38:27
From: transition
ID: 1707151
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


transition said:

dv said:

Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

it sounds obscenely inappropriate, but the reflection it probably intends to provoke is the question of what would have the deceases wanted, which is possibly a very alien idea in the land of the living, the living aren’t necessarily expert on that subject, possibly even secretly hostile, I mean people are hostile toward death (they generally avoid it), no less so toward anything that might qualify as unnatural death, people hardly study it (the contradictions), a license is assumed of unnatural death, especially once projected into the news

but there you go, it’s wild now, people are colluding to make their interest respectable

My suspicion is that the meaning is that she would be very uncomfortable and unhappy about how things are going, which would make the whole thing even more distressing to her than it already was. But it is extremely badly worded if that is the meaning.

that was the gist I got from a quick read, and only part of it

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Date: 6/03/2021 22:29:30
From: party_pants
ID: 1707157
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


transition said:

dv said:

Australian journalist and ex-panelist of morning show Studio 10 Joe Hildebrand was slammed on Twitter for a News.com.au article where he wrote “Thank God she’s dead” about the alleged Christian Porter rape victim.

“Amid the maelstrom of blanket news coverage and political warfare that exploded over the historic rape allegations and later awful suicide of a woman whose name the nation does not know yet whom half the nation claims to know, a sad involuntary thought jumped into my mind: Thank God she’s dead,” Hildebrand wrote.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/joe-hildebrand-slammed-christian-porter-opinion-piece/

it sounds obscenely inappropriate, but the reflection it probably intends to provoke is the question of what would have the deceases wanted, which is possibly a very alien idea in the land of the living, the living aren’t necessarily expert on that subject, possibly even secretly hostile, I mean people are hostile toward death (they generally avoid it), no less so toward anything that might qualify as unnatural death, people hardly study it (the contradictions), a license is assumed of unnatural death, especially once projected into the news

but there you go, it’s wild now, people are colluding to make their interest respectable

My suspicion is that the meaning is that she would be very uncomfortable and unhappy about how things are going, which would make the whole thing even more distressing to her than it already was. But it is extremely badly worded if that is the meaning.

I get the feeling that her suicide is what is driving her family and friends and supporters to do this, and do it in this way. They are out to get him.

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Date: 6/03/2021 23:23:05
From: dv
ID: 1707163
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

it sounds obscenely inappropriate

And regardless of his intent, it is

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Date: 6/03/2021 23:38:55
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707167
Subject: re: Aust Politics

the elastrator should probably be used more often.

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Date: 6/03/2021 23:44:04
From: dv
ID: 1707171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


the elastrator should probably be used more often.

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Date: 6/03/2021 23:57:05
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707174
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

the elastrator should probably be used more often.


I wonder if there is anything in those drawers?

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Date: 6/03/2021 23:58:07
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the elastrator should probably be used more often.


I wonder if there is anything in those drawers?

probably not after the elastrator…

;-)

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Date: 7/03/2021 00:01:20
From: party_pants
ID: 1707178
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the elastrator should probably be used more often.


I wonder if there is anything in those drawers?

Yes, Many things I would imagine. But it is rude to go thorough someone else’s bedroom drawers.

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Date: 8/03/2021 09:43:18
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707602
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 8/03/2021 11:12:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1707612
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Morning punters and correctors, what news.

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Date: 8/03/2021 17:46:29
From: dv
ID: 1707736
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Voted

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Date: 8/03/2021 18:21:43
From: party_pants
ID: 1707754
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Voted

Oh, I was meaning to mention… some of the people involved in the WAXIT Party are the same who previously were part of the anti flouride group.

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Date: 8/03/2021 18:23:05
From: buffy
ID: 1707756
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Voted

Oh, I was meaning to mention… some of the people involved in the WAXIT Party are the same who previously were part of the anti flouride group.

It’s a bit late to tell him now…

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Date: 8/03/2021 18:25:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1707757
Subject: re: Aust Politics

always the flour

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Date: 8/03/2021 18:28:33
From: party_pants
ID: 1707760
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Voted

Oh, I was meaning to mention… some of the people involved in the WAXIT Party are the same who previously were part of the anti flouride group.

It’s a bit late to tell him now…

Yes. Too late.

I think everyone is scrambling around for a minor party to vote for in the upper house.

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Date: 8/03/2021 18:29:16
From: dv
ID: 1707761
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Voted

Oh, I was meaning to mention… some of the people involved in the WAXIT Party are the same who previously were part of the anti flouride group.

There’s a big intersection set with the Palmer party, ironically.

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Date: 8/03/2021 18:32:54
From: dv
ID: 1707765
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

Oh, I was meaning to mention… some of the people involved in the WAXIT Party are the same who previously were part of the anti flouride group.

It’s a bit late to tell him now…

Yes. Too late.

I think everyone is scrambling around for a minor party to vote for in the upper house.

I’m not drawn to the Waxit party.

Though I did put them above the filth.

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Date: 8/03/2021 19:02:11
From: dv
ID: 1707780
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/08/alan-kohler-wages-government/

For much of 1998 I spent every day covering the great waterfront dispute, the last stand of Australian unionism.

It was exhausting and riveting but, with hindsight, I was witnessing an economic disaster.

The Howard government and Patrick Stevedores broke the Maritime Union, and began the process of breaking the whole union movement and workers’ bargaining power.

Now, 23 years later, their successors in the Coalition can’t stop doing it, even though this is now the opposite of what the country needs, according to the Reserve Bank and most economists.

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Date: 9/03/2021 11:07:38
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47rKtuJl_Q

Let’s talk about the stimulus going mostly to Republicans…Beau

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Date: 9/03/2021 11:13:58
From: sibeen
ID: 1707946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47rKtuJl_Q

Let’s talk about the stimulus going mostly to Republicans…Beau

Their influence know no bounds.

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Date: 9/03/2021 11:27:22
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707948
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47rKtuJl_Q

Let’s talk about the stimulus going mostly to Republicans…Beau

Their influence know no bounds.

What? nowt to do with influence.

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Date: 9/03/2021 11:30:50
From: sibeen
ID: 1707949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47rKtuJl_Q

Let’s talk about the stimulus going mostly to Republicans…Beau

Their influence know no bounds.

What? nowt to do with influence.

I’m just very surprised that Republicans are getting Australian stimulus money.

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Date: 9/03/2021 11:37:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1707950
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Their influence know no bounds.

What? nowt to do with influence.

I’m just very surprised that Republicans are getting Australian stimulus money.

Be Johnny Howard’s hand in that, i reckon.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:15:56
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707954
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Their influence know no bounds.

What? nowt to do with influence.

I’m just very surprised that Republicans are getting Australian stimulus money.

Well, the reason I posted it in this thread is that in Aus we have had, before covid, a lot of people attacking “dole bludgers”. Now, due to covid, probably quite a few of those people have been receiving welfare. I just thought the similarities were worth pointing out.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:32:09
From: sibeen
ID: 1707958
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/apprenticeship-wage-subsidy-scheme-extended-coronavirus/13229212

I just spotted this and told SWMBO.

She placed her head in her hands and started sobbing.

:)

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:40:36
From: buffy
ID: 1707959
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/apprenticeship-wage-subsidy-scheme-extended-coronavirus/13229212

I just spotted this and told SWMBO.

She placed her head in her hands and started sobbing.

:)

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:47:20
From: sibeen
ID: 1707960
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/apprenticeship-wage-subsidy-scheme-extended-coronavirus/13229212

I just spotted this and told SWMBO.

She placed her head in her hands and started sobbing.

:)

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:48:33
From: buffy
ID: 1707961
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


buffy said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/apprenticeship-wage-subsidy-scheme-extended-coronavirus/13229212

I just spotted this and told SWMBO.

She placed her head in her hands and started sobbing.

:)

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

Ah. I thought maybe there was some suspicion of rorting that I’d missed. Perhaps that hasn’t shown up yet.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:50:10
From: sibeen
ID: 1707963
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sibeen said:

buffy said:

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

Ah. I thought maybe there was some suspicion of rorting that I’d missed. Perhaps that hasn’t shown up yet.

Oh, quite a few companies have tried it on.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:51:36
From: party_pants
ID: 1707964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


buffy said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/apprenticeship-wage-subsidy-scheme-extended-coronavirus/13229212

I just spotted this and told SWMBO.

She placed her head in her hands and started sobbing.

:)

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

maybe she needs to take on an apprentice.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:53:25
From: sibeen
ID: 1707965
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

buffy said:

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

maybe she needs to take on an apprentice.

She does already have quite a few staff.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:53:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707966
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

buffy said:

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

maybe she needs to take on an apprentice.

makes the day go quickly when you’re busy.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:55:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1707967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

buffy said:

Why?

(I may not have been listening lately)

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

maybe she needs to take on an apprentice.

LOL

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:55:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1707968
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO works for Victorian Registration and Qualifications Authority. She’s basically second in charge of registration of all Victorian apprentices. She was completely snowed under with the first go round of this.

maybe she needs to take on an apprentice.

She does already have quite a few staff.

And she’s got three kids at home to look after.

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Date: 9/03/2021 12:56:47
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1707970
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

maybe she needs to take on an apprentice.

She does already have quite a few staff.

And she’s got three kids at home to look after.

and a dog.

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Date: 9/03/2021 13:49:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1707975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

What? nowt to do with influence.

I’m just very surprised that Republicans are getting Australian stimulus money.

Well, the reason I posted it in this thread is that in Aus we have had, before covid, a lot of people attacking “dole bludgers”. Now, due to covid, probably quite a few of those people have been receiving welfare. I just thought the similarities were worth pointing out.

Fair.

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Date: 9/03/2021 18:04:32
From: Michael V
ID: 1708034
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“ “The tender documents show that the government is spending millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money trying to figure out how to subsidise multi-billion-dollar gas companies,” Mr Ogge said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/qld-gas-subsidies-government-pays-millions-in-consulting-fees/13221270

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Date: 9/03/2021 18:11:55
From: buffy
ID: 1708036
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/christian-porter-historical-rape-allegation-gleeson/13229880

>>Eminent lawyer Justin Gleeson has urged the Prime Minister to enlist the Solicitor-General in assessing whether Christian Porter is a fit and proper person to remain Attorney-General.
Key points:

Mr Gleeson, who was solicitor-general between 2013 and 2016, said Scott Morrison should have read the 31-page dossier sent to him anonymously by the friends of a woman who claims Mr Porter raped her 33 years ago.<<

I have found it peculiar that Christian Porter was apparently able to deny allegations which he hadn’t actually read. It was reported that neither he nor ScoMo read them.

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Date: 9/03/2021 18:49:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708045
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/christian-porter-historical-rape-allegation-gleeson/13229880

>>Eminent lawyer Justin Gleeson has urged the Prime Minister to enlist the Solicitor-General in assessing whether Christian Porter is a fit and proper person to remain Attorney-General.
Key points:

Mr Gleeson, who was solicitor-general between 2013 and 2016, said Scott Morrison should have read the 31-page dossier sent to him anonymously by the friends of a woman who claims Mr Porter raped her 33 years ago.<<

I have found it peculiar that Christian Porter was apparently able to deny allegations which he hadn’t actually read. It was reported that neither he nor ScoMo read them.

if you’re squeaky clean and perfect you can’t be guilty of any alleged crimes, there’s no peculiarity about it

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Date: 9/03/2021 19:06:07
From: transition
ID: 1708053
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/christian-porter-historical-rape-allegation-gleeson/13229880

>>Eminent lawyer Justin Gleeson has urged the Prime Minister to enlist the Solicitor-General in assessing whether Christian Porter is a fit and proper person to remain Attorney-General.
Key points:

Mr Gleeson, who was solicitor-general between 2013 and 2016, said Scott Morrison should have read the 31-page dossier sent to him anonymously by the friends of a woman who claims Mr Porter raped her 33 years ago.<<

I have found it peculiar that Christian Porter was apparently able to deny allegations which he hadn’t actually read. It was reported that neither he nor ScoMo read them.

because his position or response (as I understand it) is nothing happened, to be interested and read whatever would be to entertain another parties allegations, he’d be furnishing himself with details of the allegations contrary to the position it didn’t happen

there’s the other thing too possibly, is that the man is in a genuine state of severe horror

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Date: 9/03/2021 21:35:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708099
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Now Here’s A False Flag Operation If You Ever Saw One

probably ANTIFA or just CHINA easy

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Date: 9/03/2021 21:39:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708102
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Now Here’s A False Flag Operation If You Ever Saw One

probably ANTIFA or just CHINA easy

ready for it wait

wait

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-09/electorate-office-of-wa-premier-mark-mcgowan-evacuated/13231680

there we go

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Date: 9/03/2021 21:50:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708104
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Defence Minister Linda Reynolds took sick leave late last month after she was admitted to hospital on the advice of her cardiologist. She had faced questioning over her handling of a rape allegation that former staffer Brittany Higgins levelled against a colleague. Attorney-General Christian Porter took leave last week after denying a historical rape allegation.

The Opposition has offered to provide a pair for Mr Hunt. “Labor will provide a pair, as we always have when someone is genuinely on sick leave,” Shadow Minister for Industrial Relations Tony Burke said.

so what’s going on here eh, what’s all this, are those Labor hypocrites suggesting that malingering and mental health are not true health problems, not genuine reasons to take sick leave

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Date: 9/03/2021 23:11:32
From: dv
ID: 1708128
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/minterellison-boss-faces-revolt-over-porter-email-20210305-p5781z

Finally someone is facing consequences for this rape case…

The head of the law firm who criticised a colleague for representing Porter

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Date: 9/03/2021 23:16:26
From: party_pants
ID: 1708131
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/minterellison-boss-faces-revolt-over-porter-email-20210305-p5781z

Finally someone is facing consequences for this rape case…

The head of the law firm who criticised a colleague for representing Porter

Is he a goodie or a baddie?

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Date: 9/03/2021 23:17:18
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708133
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/minterellison-boss-faces-revolt-over-porter-email-20210305-p5781z

Finally someone is facing consequences for this rape case…

The head of the law firm who criticised a colleague for representing Porter

Is he a goodie or a baddie?

female.

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Date: 9/03/2021 23:20:37
From: dv
ID: 1708136
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/minterellison-boss-faces-revolt-over-porter-email-20210305-p5781z

Finally someone is facing consequences for this rape case…

The head of the law firm who criticised a colleague for representing Porter

Is he a goodie or a baddie?

female.

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Date: 10/03/2021 00:46:34
From: transition
ID: 1708157
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/minterellison-boss-faces-revolt-over-porter-email-20210305-p5781z

Finally someone is facing consequences for this rape case…

The head of the law firm who criticised a colleague for representing Porter

totally unrelated I watched some vicar of dibley on the tube, looking for some ideas on the subject of confidentiality

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Date: 10/03/2021 11:48:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708311
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/09/scott-morrison-didnt-seek-solicitor-generals-advice-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry

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Date: 10/03/2021 11:57:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1708312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/09/scott-morrison-didnt-seek-solicitor-generals-advice-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry

From that:

Morrison expressed confidence in senior ministers Michaelia Cash and Marise Payne to take over the duties of Porter and Linda Reynolds, who is on medical leave while under fire over her handling of former staffer Brittany Higgins’ sexual assault allegation against a fellow staffer.

On Monday, Payne, the minister for women, said that Morrison had made decisions about Porter “in consultation with appropriate colleagues”.

She told ABC Radio it was the “strong view of the prime minister and the government” that the justice system is the only forum to determine whether criminal allegations can be proven.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:11:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1708314
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/09/scott-morrison-didnt-seek-solicitor-generals-advice-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry

From that:

Morrison expressed confidence in senior ministers Michaelia Cash and Marise Payne to take over the duties of Porter and Linda Reynolds, who is on medical leave while under fire over her handling of former staffer Brittany Higgins’ sexual assault allegation against a fellow staffer.

On Monday, Payne, the minister for women, said that Morrison had made decisions about Porter “in consultation with appropriate colleagues”.

She told ABC Radio it was the “strong view of the prime minister and the government” that the justice system is the only forum to determine whether criminal allegations can be proven.

I wonder if they went to trial would taxpayers pay for a top notch QC to defend him/them

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:25:03
From: Woodie
ID: 1708319
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/09/scott-morrison-didnt-seek-solicitor-generals-advice-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry

Did he seek the Attorney General’s advice?

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:28:55
From: buffy
ID: 1708321
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/09/scott-morrison-didnt-seek-solicitor-generals-advice-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry

Did he seek the Attorney General’s advice?

Well, yes…but the AG hadn’t read the dossier.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:32:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1708323
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/09/scott-morrison-didnt-seek-solicitor-generals-advice-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry

From that:

Morrison expressed confidence in senior ministers Michaelia Cash and Marise Payne to take over the duties of Porter and Linda Reynolds, who is on medical leave while under fire over her handling of former staffer Brittany Higgins’ sexual assault allegation against a fellow staffer.

On Monday, Payne, the minister for women, said that Morrison had made decisions about Porter “in consultation with appropriate colleagues”.

She told ABC Radio it was the “strong view of the prime minister and the government” that the justice system is the only forum to determine whether criminal allegations can be proven.

I wonder if they went to trial would taxpayers pay for a top notch QC to defend him/them

Bill Shorten was afforded all the courtesy of the presumption of innocence by the media and the coalition.
And when the police deemed there was insufficient evidence to go to trial that was the end of the matter and he went on to fight two elections as leader of the ALP.
Double standards, you betcha there is.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:34:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708324
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

From that:

Morrison expressed confidence in senior ministers Michaelia Cash and Marise Payne to take over the duties of Porter and Linda Reynolds, who is on medical leave while under fire over her handling of former staffer Brittany Higgins’ sexual assault allegation against a fellow staffer.

On Monday, Payne, the minister for women, said that Morrison had made decisions about Porter “in consultation with appropriate colleagues”.

She told ABC Radio it was the “strong view of the prime minister and the government” that the justice system is the only forum to determine whether criminal allegations can be proven.

I wonder if they went to trial would taxpayers pay for a top notch QC to defend him/them

Bill Shorten was afforded all the courtesy of the presumption of innocence by the media and the coalition.
And when the police deemed there was insufficient evidence to go to trial that was the end of the matter and he went on to fight two elections as leader of the ALP.
Double standards, you betcha there is.

awwww diddums.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:39:12
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708325
Subject: re: Aust Politics

times change, which is good. also with the other issues in parliament of course it will be more newsworthy. get off this whataboutism bullshit.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:42:27
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708326
Subject: re: Aust Politics

also shorten was investigated by police, and cleared, porter wasn’t and can’t be. it isn’t a criminal case.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:44:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1708328
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/09/scott-morrison-didnt-seek-solicitor-generals-advice-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry

Did he seek the Attorney General’s advice?

More than likely.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:47:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1708330
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


also shorten was investigated by police, and cleared, porter wasn’t and can’t be. it isn’t a criminal case.

Shorten wasn’t cleared at all, as in the Porter case the police found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:50:15
From: dv
ID: 1708333
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Morrison has brushed off criticism by the Commonwealth Solicitor General, Stephen Donaghue, saying that the CSG is entitled to his opinion but that he has never been a fan of the Morrison government.

Donaghue was appointed to the position in 2016, formally by the GG but on advice from Brandis.

I know nothing of the duties of the CSG.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:50:48
From: buffy
ID: 1708335
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I still don’t get why Christian Porter didn’t read the accusations. Wasn’t he just a little bit curious? And I did notice he was fairly careful in his wording that none of the accusations in the press happened. It wasn’t until you read a bit more that you found he hadn’t read the letter sent to ScoMo or the other politicians, so he wasn’t actually answering that.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:51:30
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708336
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

also shorten was investigated by police, and cleared, porter wasn’t and can’t be. it isn’t a criminal case.

Shorten wasn’t cleared at all, as in the Porter case the police found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:52:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1708341
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Morrison has brushed off criticism by the Commonwealth Solicitor General, Stephen Donaghue, saying that the CSG is entitled to his opinion but that he has never been a fan of the Morrison government.

Donaghue was appointed to the position in 2016, formally by the GG but on advice from Brandis.

I know nothing of the duties of the CSG.

So PMs only listen to CSGs who are ‘fans’?

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:57:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1708346
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Morrison has brushed off criticism by the Commonwealth Solicitor General, Stephen Donaghue, saying that the CSG is entitled to his opinion but that he has never been a fan of the Morrison government.

Donaghue was appointed to the position in 2016, formally by the GG but on advice from Brandis.

I know nothing of the duties of the CSG.

So PMs only listen to CSGs who are ‘fans’?

Yes, so they can then put them on a pedestal.

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Date: 10/03/2021 12:57:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1708347
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

also shorten was investigated by police, and cleared, porter wasn’t and can’t be. it isn’t a criminal case.

Shorten wasn’t cleared at all, as in the Porter case the police found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:01:38
From: Cymek
ID: 1708351
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Shorten wasn’t cleared at all, as in the Porter case the police found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Did Shorten act like a dick towards women like Porter did/does

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:03:57
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708353
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Did Shorten act like a dick towards women like Porter did/does

LOL, Terry O’Gorman again. Sole member of the ACoCL. A organisation which he stole the name of. LOL.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:04:31
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708354
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Did Shorten act like a dick towards women like Porter did/does

I think there has been some complaints.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:05:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708355
Subject: re: Aust Politics

wait someone allegedly killed themselves for a political sting here is that right

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:05:53
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708356
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Did Shorten act like a dick towards women like Porter did/does

LOL, Terry O’Gorman again. Sole member of the ACoCL. A organisation which he stole the name of. LOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Council_for_Civil_Liberties

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:09:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1708360
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Did Shorten act like a dick towards women like Porter did/does

I think there has been some complaints.

Fair enough then, I personally show no loyalty to any political party, I do expect them to deny it and for the truth to never be known as they are protected

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:20:10
From: party_pants
ID: 1708363
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Shorten wasn’t cleared at all, as in the Porter case the police found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

This is not being driven by the ALP or the Greens. this is being driven by the family and friends of the deceased woman to get revenge on Porter. These people sent a copy of the PM letter to Penny Wong and others, and that was probably the first time they’d ever seen the full details of it. The Greens and ALP are very much passengers in this.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:21:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1708364
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Shorten wasn’t cleared at all, as in the Porter case the police found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:23:56
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1708366
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The stats on rape cases are pretty damning.
At least 70% do not get reported though it’s probably closer to 85%.
Only about 11% of those reported cases have successful convictions.
The proportion of proven false claims is even less.

So if one woman says that a particular man raped her, it’s very likely to be true.

Link

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:25:07
From: Cymek
ID: 1708367
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

I’ve not seen these double standards, people here pretty much call out any politician for bad behaviour regardless of which party they belong to.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:27:25
From: Cymek
ID: 1708369
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


The stats on rape cases are pretty damning.
At least 70% do not get reported though it’s probably closer to 85%.
Only about 11% of those reported cases have successful convictions.
The proportion of proven false claims is even less.

So if one woman says that a particular man raped her, it’s very likely to be true.

Link

I imagine so, lying you are still going to face police/court/accused and get your lies to stick when already you are likely to be blamed by making the accusation in the first place.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:28:42
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708370
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

Tea Consent

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:30:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708371
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Spiny Norman said:

The stats on rape cases are pretty damning.
At least 70% do not get reported though it’s probably closer to 85%.
Only about 11% of those reported cases have successful convictions.
The proportion of proven false claims is even less.

So if one woman says that a particular man raped her, it’s very likely to be true.

Link

I imagine so, lying you are still going to face police/court/accused and get your lies to stick when already you are likely to be blamed by making the accusation in the first place.

bit like people accusing others who claim they have aboriginal heritage of just doing it to get the benefits.

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:39:28
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1708372
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

OK, in the shorten case at least they had a victim to question so the case for not proceeding was a lot stronger one would think. and why is it that you, and curve, never condemned the current antagonists but always bring up whataboutisms? it is so patently obvious this tactic. fucking spineless.

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

Not so, he’s been a champion for civil liberties all his life and is well known particularly in Queensland.
Here is his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_O’Gorman

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:41:30
From: Cymek
ID: 1708374
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

Not so, he’s been a champion for civil liberties all his life and is well known particularly in Queensland.
Here is his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_O’Gorman

Is his version of civil liberties to protect people to act like dicks

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:44:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1708375
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

Not so, he’s been a champion for civil liberties all his life and is well known particularly in Queensland.
Here is his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_O’Gorman

Is his version of civil liberties to protect people to act like dicks

Seemingly not after reading it, I apologise

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:46:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708376
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

Not so, he’s been a champion for civil liberties all his life and is well known particularly in Queensland.
Here is his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_O’Gorman

Is his version of civil liberties to protect people to act like dicks

he did do good in the fitzgerald inquiry. but to usurp and organisations name and being the only member and there being no contact info, or webpage etc, it does leave one open to being dismissed. plus having you wiki entry listed for deletion because it doesn’t adhere to the conditions…

Halton Arp did some good stuff, as did Linus Pauling…

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Date: 10/03/2021 13:49:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708377
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Not so, he’s been a champion for civil liberties all his life and is well known particularly in Queensland.
Here is his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_O’Gorman

Is his version of civil liberties to protect people to act like dicks

he did do good in the fitzgerald inquiry. but to usurp and organisations name and being the only member and there being no contact info, or webpage etc, it does leave one open to being dismissed. plus having you wiki entry listed for deletion because it doesn’t adhere to the conditions…

Halton Arp did some good stuff, as did Linus Pauling…

Plus quite a few lawyers of equal standing have an opposite view.

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:02:03
From: dv
ID: 1708380
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Morrison has brushed off criticism by the Commonwealth Solicitor General, Stephen Donaghue, saying that the CSG is entitled to his opinion but that he has never been a fan of the Morrison government.

Donaghue was appointed to the position in 2016, formally by the GG but on advice from Brandis.

I know nothing of the duties of the CSG.

So PMs only listen to CSGs who are ‘fans’?

Yes, so they can then put them on a pedestal.

Nice one :-)

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:03:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1708381
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

Not so, he’s been a champion for civil liberties all his life and is well known particularly in Queensland.
Here is his Wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_O’Gorman

It really doesn’t matter what his status is.

Arguing that if there is insufficient evidence for a criminal prosecution then there is no reason why the historical actions of a cabinet minister should be investigated, in consideration of whether the continuation of his high profile position can be justified, is plainly nonsense.

As for Shorten, if there is sufficient evidence against him, then certainly the case should be re-investigated, in consideration of whether the continuation of his considerably lower profile position can be justified.

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:06:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1708385
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Pull your head in, Terry O’Gorman the head of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties and no fan of the coalition called it for what it is, a political sting being driven by the Greens and the ALP.
You don’t know if Porter and Shorten are guilty and we’ll probably never know but the double standards are stark.

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

I’ve not seen these double standards, people here pretty much call out any politician for bad behaviour regardless of which party they belong to.

Well some of us do.

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:10:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1708387
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It is a question of closure.

The Shorten matter was investigated by police, the process was completed and the police decided no charges could be laid.

The Porter matter police started investigating, but it was brought to a premature end by the death of the alleged victim. The process was not completed. In the minds of people like me the matter is still unresolved, even though there is no possibility of a criminal conviction there is still the possibility that it might have happened.

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:12:27
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708388
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


It is a question of closure.

The Shorten matter was investigated by police, the process was completed and the police decided no charges could be laid.

The Porter matter police started investigating, but it was brought to a premature end by the death of the alleged victim. The process was not completed. In the minds of people like me the matter is still unresolved, even though there is no possibility of a criminal conviction there is still the possibility that it might have happened.

yes, and as for it being a witch hunt by the ALP and The Greens…

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:23:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1708393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

It is a question of closure.

The Shorten matter was investigated by police, the process was completed and the police decided no charges could be laid.

The Porter matter police started investigating, but it was brought to a premature end by the death of the alleged victim. The process was not completed. In the minds of people like me the matter is still unresolved, even though there is no possibility of a criminal conviction there is still the possibility that it might have happened.

yes, and as for it being a witch hunt by the ALP and The Greens…

There are two separate streams here that have converged and got mixed up together.

The first is the culture within the conservative parties. Dominated by older male politicians with old fashioned sexist attitudes, staffed by mostly younger people with more modern ideas. I think many of the younger females entering politics as staffers and interns and volunteers are shocked by the open misogyny they face. They have had enough and want a cultural shift within party. The has been picked up by the ALP and Greens to a degree to cast their political opponents in a bad light.

The Porter stuff is a second and separate stream. Driven by the family and friends of the deceased to get revenge on Porter personally and have him resign/get sacked in disgrace. They don’t really care about bringing down the government, just Porter personally.

The two streams seem to have converged inside the ABC 4 Corners office when they did the Life in the Canberra Bubble story. Which is a bit unfortunate.

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:33:02
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

It is a question of closure.

The Shorten matter was investigated by police, the process was completed and the police decided no charges could be laid.

The Porter matter police started investigating, but it was brought to a premature end by the death of the alleged victim. The process was not completed. In the minds of people like me the matter is still unresolved, even though there is no possibility of a criminal conviction there is still the possibility that it might have happened.

yes, and as for it being a witch hunt by the ALP and The Greens…

There are two separate streams here that have converged and got mixed up together.

The first is the culture within the conservative parties. Dominated by older male politicians with old fashioned sexist attitudes, staffed by mostly younger people with more modern ideas. I think many of the younger females entering politics as staffers and interns and volunteers are shocked by the open misogyny they face. They have had enough and want a cultural shift within party. The has been picked up by the ALP and Greens to a degree to cast their political opponents in a bad light.

The Porter stuff is a second and separate stream. Driven by the family and friends of the deceased to get revenge on Porter personally and have him resign/get sacked in disgrace. They don’t really care about bringing down the government, just Porter personally.

The two streams seem to have converged inside the ABC 4 Corners office when they did the Life in the Canberra Bubble story. Which is a bit unfortunate.

that is a good summary. I guess the 4 Corners program journalists see them as connected. One leads to the other.

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:34:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1708399
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This is where O’Gorman made the claim for those interested.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/balancing-accountability-and-the-presumption-of-innocence/13107862

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:37:49
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1708400
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


This is where O’Gorman made the claim for those interested.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/balancing-accountability-and-the-presumption-of-innocence/13107862

Crims protecting their business assets?

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:52:09
From: transition
ID: 1708403
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


This is where O’Gorman made the claim for those interested.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/balancing-accountability-and-the-presumption-of-innocence/13107862

listened to that

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Date: 10/03/2021 14:56:18
From: transition
ID: 1708404
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Umm Terry O’Gorman is a self appointed nobody.

I’ve not seen these double standards, people here pretty much call out any politician for bad behaviour regardless of which party they belong to.

Well some of us do.

i’d expect there’s still some killing field in the air, and other matters, driving some enthusiams, in the dynamic, funding cuts, and stuff

is my opinion

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Date: 10/03/2021 15:54:13
From: dv
ID: 1708408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Notwithstanding the prior assumption of innocence etc I’m not pleased with SM’s dealing on this issue. Either he has deliberately avoided being informed or his staff have been very negligent.

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Date: 10/03/2021 16:16:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1708411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Notwithstanding the prior assumption of innocence etc I’m not pleased with SM’s dealing on this issue. Either he has deliberately avoided being informed or his staff have been very negligent.

It was an attempt at ‘plausible deniability’.

Put fingers in ears, close eyes, repeat loudly ‘i can’t hear you, i can’t hear you’.

If he’s ‘unaware’ of it, he can’t be responsible for doing/not doing anything about it, now can he?

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Date: 10/03/2021 16:51:34
From: dv
ID: 1708416
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scans confirm fractured t7 vertebra for Dan.

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Date: 10/03/2021 16:53:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1708417
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Scans confirm fractured t7 vertebra for Dan.

That is not good. How long is he going to be out of action for?

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Date: 10/03/2021 16:54:02
From: dv
ID: 1708418
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Scans confirm fractured t7 vertebra for Dan.

That is not good. How long is he going to be out of action for?

Dunno, I suppose it depends on how well the surgery goes

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Date: 10/03/2021 17:59:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708428
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

I’ll have ‘who I had dinner with 33 years ago’ for 80 points please.

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

Anyway. Really. 33 years ago we were paying off this block on most of our income. Scott was running the car and buying strings on one regular gig a week. There were no dinners out. There was a lot of roast hogget at $2.59 a kilo and a bunch of free sheep to kill from Arthur.

Janina visits me twice a week. Nothing shocking, hurtful or degrading ever happens. Thinking about it I can remember when John punched me in the face. It was the Sunday before my 21st birthday. It was late in the afternoon. It was cold. There was the smell of chimney smoke. I could pin point the location on Google earth. The next week I broke up with him on the Saturday because I couldn’t believe him when he said that it would never do that again. The next day, a Sunday, I visited my mother. I found out that she had had my dog Nigel put down the day before. It wasn’t a great birthday.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:03:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708429
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Really? In May last year Janna (the Polish lady just down the road) came around. What day was it?

Janina.

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

I’m still not sure why I am supposed to be impressed with this. I don’t feel impressed at all.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:04:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708431
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Yeah, I’ve got a really shit memory.

I’ve slept with women, taken them out for dinner, had a really good time with them, ended up bumping uglies, all 30 to 40 years ago…and for some of them I cannot for the life of me remember their name, let alone what day/month/year we actually met.

That’s pretty awful.

No it is fucking not.

As you have said to me on a few occasions, and this is the first time I’m going to say it to you…get fucked.

I’ve been sexually active since I was 17. I was sexually active for 20 years before I met SWMBO. I had multiple girlfriends over that time and treated them all with respect. I also had one night stands over that time and treated them with respect. Don’t fucking judge me and call me awful. Fuck you.

How’s that for apples!

I remember the names of those I slept with.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:07:33
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1708434
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Get Well Soon Daniel Andrews.

Sorry to hear about your fall.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:08:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708435
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

We made passionate love under the moonlit sky, the mosquitoes biting our arse.

Dismissing people as “uglies” makes it sound a bit nasty.

Do you even know the phrase? It isn’t about people, it’s about body parts…

No. I did not know the phrase. Never heard it. And I do know a lot of Aussie slang. Not knowing the expression it does sound worse than what I imagined it meant. It still doesn’t raise it to the level that deserves respect.

Yes. You jumped on me for not understanding your use of slang. That’s gotta be worth points.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:11:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708437
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

33 years ago…as a teenager. Really? If he was anything like me he wouldn’t have remembered the next day.

She said in her statement that they had all been drinking. But anal sex x 2 suggests not overly drunk.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:12:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708438
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea who I had dinner with a year ago on a certain date let alone 33 years ago.

Right but that isn’t the point. He initially claimed he never saw her again. No one is expecting him to remember exact dates. He lied about never seeing her again.

33 years ago…as a teenager. Really? If he was anything like me he wouldn’t have remembered the next day.

She said in her statement that they had all been drinking. But anal sex x 2 suggests not overly drunk.

Also..it was the last day of a national competition. In another state. After a formal dinner. It is memorable.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:14:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708439
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Bubblecar said:

To me, the main point is that what’s been revealed about the fellow’s past reveals him to have been extremely and proudly sexist. This at a time when Scomo is making noises about Parliament needing to be more respectful of women.

I am not defending the guy, he seems like a dirt bag, but the things being held against him are wafer thin…

It always was.

My nephew tried to commit suicide the other night. They talked him down off a cliff. He said that noone understands him and he is invisible.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:19:31
From: btm
ID: 1708443
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

My nephew tried to commit suicide the other night. They talked him down off a cliff. He said that noone understands him and he is invisible.

I hope he can now get the help he needs. How old is he?

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:25:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

btm said:


sarahs mum said:

My nephew tried to commit suicide the other night. They talked him down off a cliff. He said that noone understands him and he is invisible.

I hope he can now get the help he needs. How old is he?

19. His younger brother is profoundly autistic and does take up a lot of what goes on.

I have spent some time in the last few days thinking about how we don’t talk about suicide because it increases the suicide rate but we also need to know about suicides to have some chance at helping.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:29:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708445
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


btm said:

sarahs mum said:

My nephew tried to commit suicide the other night. They talked him down off a cliff. He said that noone understands him and he is invisible.

I hope he can now get the help he needs. How old is he?

19. His younger brother is profoundly autistic and does take up a lot of what goes on.

I have spent some time in the last few days thinking about how we don’t talk about suicide because it increases the suicide rate but we also need to know about suicides to have some chance at helping.

is there a point at which there is a reasonable choice though and possibly not reasonably classified as mental illness or disorder

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:29:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


btm said:

sarahs mum said:

My nephew tried to commit suicide the other night. They talked him down off a cliff. He said that noone understands him and he is invisible.

I hope he can now get the help he needs. How old is he?

19. His younger brother is profoundly autistic and does take up a lot of what goes on.

I have spent some time in the last few days thinking about how we don’t talk about suicide because it increases the suicide rate but we also need to know about suicides to have some chance at helping.

No one is responsible for those who suicided because of Robodebt or Indue.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:31:03
From: Cymek
ID: 1708448
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


btm said:

sarahs mum said:

My nephew tried to commit suicide the other night. They talked him down off a cliff. He said that noone understands him and he is invisible.

I hope he can now get the help he needs. How old is he?

19. His younger brother is profoundly autistic and does take up a lot of what goes on.

I have spent some time in the last few days thinking about how we don’t talk about suicide because it increases the suicide rate but we also need to know about suicides to have some chance at helping.

A local schoolboy jumped in front of a train last Friday, was only in year 8, went to same school as my daughter, a few of her friends saw it happen.
They turned his life support off the other day.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:31:58
From: Cymek
ID: 1708449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

btm said:

I hope he can now get the help he needs. How old is he?

19. His younger brother is profoundly autistic and does take up a lot of what goes on.

I have spent some time in the last few days thinking about how we don’t talk about suicide because it increases the suicide rate but we also need to know about suicides to have some chance at helping.

is there a point at which there is a reasonable choice though and possibly not reasonably classified as mental illness or disorder

When euthanasia isn’t available perhaps, you’d want to hope it worked though

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:34:54
From: Arts
ID: 1708453
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so what happened to the premier guy?

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:36:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1708454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


so what happened to the premier guy?

Was doing the mind warp and went too many steps in one direction and fell off the stage

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:50:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708455
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Arts said:

so what happened to the premier guy?

Was doing the mind warp and went too many steps in one direction and fell off the stage

so he was the fall guy

mentioned already we know but you know how these days it’s sexy to take médical leave whenever someone in your cabinet is accused of something

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:53:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1708456
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

No one is responsible for those who suicided because of Robodebt or Indue.

The gubmint thinks it’s their own fault for being poor. Silly gooses.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:54:32
From: party_pants
ID: 1708457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


so what happened to the premier guy?

He slipped on some wet steps outside his house, going from house to the car. Front or rear porch I can’t remember.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:54:51
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1708458
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


so what happened to the premier guy?

Cracked a thoracic vertebra, it seems. May need surgery.

Not good, what with the wait lists like they are.

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:55:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:

so what happened to the premier guy?

Cracked a thoracic vertebra, it seems. May need surgery.

Not good, what with the wait lists like they are.

no priority for politicians they wish

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Date: 10/03/2021 18:57:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

must be some scandal about to go down that we haven’t heard about yet

Victoria’s Police and Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville is also away on medical leave at the moment, and isn’t expected back until May.

Ms Neville was admitted to hospital last month due to complications associated with Crohn’s disease, a condition she has been living with for 32 years.

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Date: 10/03/2021 19:00:49
From: Arts
ID: 1708461
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:

so what happened to the premier guy?

Cracked a thoracic vertebra, it seems. May need surgery.

Not good, what with the wait lists like they are.

oh damn..

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Date: 10/03/2021 19:19:58
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708470
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Scans confirm fractured t7 vertebra for Dan.

That is not good. How long is he going to be out of action for?

Dunno, I suppose it depends on how well the surgery goes

at this rate of attrition us plebs will be without guidance from on high.

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Date: 11/03/2021 00:55:00
From: dv
ID: 1708536
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Lol

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Date: 11/03/2021 00:58:27
From: dv
ID: 1708537
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Lol

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Date: 11/03/2021 09:23:09
From: Tamb
ID: 1708553
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Lol

Oh punctuation, wherefore art thou.

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Date: 11/03/2021 10:38:49
From: dv
ID: 1708608
Subject: re: Aust Politics

WA Liberal leader Zach Kirkup has said that if he loses his seat in this election, which is a strong possibility, then he’ll leave politics. This will lead to WA Libs looking for a fifth leader within 4 years.

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Date: 11/03/2021 10:42:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708612
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


WA Liberal leader Zach Kirkup has said that if he loses his seat in this election, which is a strong possibility, then he’ll leave politics. This will lead to WA Libs looking for a fifth leader within 4 years.

this the same fella saying they’re just going to lose, hands down, what is party suicide

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Date: 11/03/2021 10:45:53
From: Arts
ID: 1708615
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


WA Liberal leader Zach Kirkup has said that if he loses his seat in this election, which is a strong possibility, then he’ll leave politics. This will lead to WA Libs looking for a fifth leader within 4 years.

he’s only been in it five minutes…

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Date: 11/03/2021 11:17:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1708639
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“MinterEllison chief executive Annette Kimmitt has left the the law firm after its board decided her position was no longer tenable in the wake of an email she sent to staff about the firm acting for Attorney-General Christian Porter.

The firm’s chairman, David O’Brien, wrote to partners just before 10pm on Wednesday advising them that Ms Kimmitt had worked her last day after they had “mutually agreed” on her departure.”

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Date: 11/03/2021 11:19:25
From: Tamb
ID: 1708641
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


“MinterEllison chief executive Annette Kimmitt has left the the law firm after its board decided her position was no longer tenable in the wake of an email she sent to staff about the firm acting for Attorney-General Christian Porter.

The firm’s chairman, David O’Brien, wrote to partners just before 10pm on Wednesday advising them that Ms Kimmitt had worked her last day after they had “mutually agreed” on her departure.”


David: You are sacked. Get out.
Anne: OK. Bye.

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:14:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708668
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

“MinterEllison chief executive Annette Kimmitt has left the the law firm after its board decided her position was no longer tenable in the wake of an email she sent to staff about the firm acting for Attorney-General Christian Porter.

The firm’s chairman, David O’Brien, wrote to partners just before 10pm on Wednesday advising them that Ms Kimmitt had worked her last day after they had “mutually agreed” on her departure.”


David: You are sacked. Get out.
Anne: OK. Bye.

More Shit That Won’t Stick

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/audit-of-peter-dutton-grant-scheme-being-considered-by-anao/13235664

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:15:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1708670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

More Shit That Won’t Stick

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/audit-of-peter-dutton-grant-scheme-being-considered-by-anao/13235664

ANAO: ‘Nothing to see here, people, move along.’

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:20:28
From: Cymek
ID: 1708671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“MinterEllison chief executive Annette Kimmitt has left the the law firm after its board decided her position was no longer tenable in the wake of an email she sent to staff about the firm acting for Attorney-General Christian Porter.

The firm’s chairman, David O’Brien, wrote to partners just before 10pm on Wednesday advising them that Ms Kimmitt had worked her last day after they had “mutually agreed” on her departure.”


David: You are sacked. Get out.
Anne: OK. Bye.

More Shit That Won’t Stick

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/audit-of-peter-dutton-grant-scheme-being-considered-by-anao/13235664

These people are dumb or not tech savvy, c’mon think these things but don’t email them to people I mean what do they think will happen, once sent they are public property

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:29:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1708674
Subject: re: Aust Politics

From The Australian Motorcyclist, 1938.

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:30:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1708676
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


From The Australian Motorcyclist, 1938.


Um, was fer Chet

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:33:08
From: Michael V
ID: 1708680
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


From The Australian Motorcyclist, 1938.


My father owned several Ariel motorcycles.

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:35:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1708684
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

From The Australian Motorcyclist, 1938.


My father owned several Ariel motorcycles.

Yeah, my dad had a couple before i came along.

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:43:12
From: Rule 303
ID: 1708687
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m sure we’ve discussed the need for pairing in parliament, with Porter and Reynolds out of action – Does it still work? Do the parties still participate and honour the arrangement?

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:44:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1708691
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Bulletin
8 March at 07:30 ·
NSW POLICE AND THE LNP AGENDA
Mainstream media are perpetuating the lie that the NSW Police cleared Christian Porter that is not the case.
NSW Police should hang their heads in shame regarding how they handled this case. Katharine Thornton deserved better from NSW Police.
NSW police didn’t investigate yet they spoke to Ms Thornton many times yet at none of those times did she sign a “Record of Interview”.
The NSW Police blame Covid for not having Ms Thornton sign but that’s just a “cop out” (sorry for the pun).
Anyone who has dealt with the police when making an accusation especially of this nature they have a specialist division to handle these traumatic events. A question we would like to ask Did Ms Thornton see this specialist group or was she palmed off?
People we know that have gone through a traumatic event like this are generally placed in the hands of an experienced interviewer, the interview is either recorded and a record of interview produced for the victim to sign, why wasn’t this done.
The Police Officers handling your case are texting and keeping you up to date with what is happening. One has to ask how was Ms Thornton treated by NSW Police.
Under the Berejiklian Government and Police Commissioner Fuller the NSW polices reputation has sunk to an all time low with most NSW residents.
NSW police were strip searching young girls at concerts without parents being there. We all remember how NSW police herded protesters into a dead end at Central Station and sprayed them with pepper spray.
Commissioner Fuller botched the case against Angus Taylor and his fraudulent documents attacking Sydney Mayor Clover Moore. He botched the investigation into the Ruby Princess.
(When we say botched we mean that it’s unsatisfactory to the public but helps the LNP)
NSW Police still have not finished the investigation into Brian Houston which they started in July 2019. Why is this investigation going so slow yet Katharine Thornton’s complaint was closed because she did not sign a statement? We all know that SA police could have witnessed her signature they could have assisted Ms Thornton but the NSW police seem to have wanted to ignore the allegations.
People may think our assertions should be placed with “conspiracy theories” but the evidence we see seems to point to Fuller being rewarded by Berejiklian with an $85,000 pay rise during Covid when front line workers wages were frozen.
Now today we hear that Fuller may be sitting at the next election in the seat of Hughes, Craig Kelly’s seat.
Let’s s also remember that Fuller was Morrison’s next door neighbour and appears to be a Pentecostal that attends Morrison’s church.
As always with our Federal Government too many questions never any answers.

https://www.facebook.com/noslibertatemnostrisfoveam/posts/493690955337443?notif_id=1614773354309539¬if_t=page_highlights&ref=notif
——-

‘It’s our turn’: Inside the Christian Right conference plotting a political takeover

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-s-our-turn-inside-the-christian-right-conference-plotting-a-political-takeover-20210303-p577fv.html

——

The Glory of Profit
The Big Grift.

West Report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771-

—-

Dark Money In Politics.
https://ausgov.info/index.php?Topics=Donations&Article=Dark%20Money%20in%20Politics%3A%20Expanding%20the%20Scope&fbclid=IwAR2vwwGRZ52A_T7XMJ2WY5LyCG_2I72fErbH8Iq9ze-Tpjy_qf9ZtiM7tuQ

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:45:09
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708692
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


I’m sure we’ve discussed the need for pairing in parliament, with Porter and Reynolds out of action – Does it still work? Do the parties still participate and honour the arrangement?

I think they have to provide a doctor’s certificate.

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:45:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1708693
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


I’m sure we’ve discussed the need for pairing in parliament, with Porter and Reynolds out of action – Does it still work? Do the parties still participate and honour the arrangement?

For the most part, yes.

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:50:02
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708695
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/australian-values

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:53:35
From: Rule 303
ID: 1708696
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Rule 303 said:

I’m sure we’ve discussed the need for pairing in parliament, with Porter and Reynolds out of action – Does it still work? Do the parties still participate and honour the arrangement?

For the most part, yes.

I’m asking because, frankly, after this load of bullshit, I’m f’n surprised they would even consider it.

(link opens ABC article)

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Date: 11/03/2021 12:55:06
From: Michael V
ID: 1708698
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


I’m sure we’ve discussed the need for pairing in parliament, with Porter and Reynolds out of action – Does it still work? Do the parties still participate and honour the arrangement?

Mostly.

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Date: 11/03/2021 13:30:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708721
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

The Bulletin
8 March at 07:30 ·
NSW POLICE AND THE LNP AGENDA
Mainstream media are perpetuating the lie that the NSW Police cleared Christian Porter that is not the case.
NSW Police should hang their heads in shame regarding how they handled this case. Katharine Thornton deserved better from NSW Police.
NSW police didn’t investigate yet they spoke to Ms Thornton many times yet at none of those times did she sign a “Record of Interview”.
The NSW Police blame Covid for not having Ms Thornton sign but that’s just a “cop out” (sorry for the pun).
Anyone who has dealt with the police when making an accusation especially of this nature they have a specialist division to handle these traumatic events. A question we would like to ask Did Ms Thornton see this specialist group or was she palmed off?
People we know that have gone through a traumatic event like this are generally placed in the hands of an experienced interviewer, the interview is either recorded and a record of interview produced for the victim to sign, why wasn’t this done.
The Police Officers handling your case are texting and keeping you up to date with what is happening. One has to ask how was Ms Thornton treated by NSW Police.
Under the Berejiklian Government and Police Commissioner Fuller the NSW polices reputation has sunk to an all time low with most NSW residents.
NSW police were strip searching young girls at concerts without parents being there. We all remember how NSW police herded protesters into a dead end at Central Station and sprayed them with pepper spray.
Commissioner Fuller botched the case against Angus Taylor and his fraudulent documents attacking Sydney Mayor Clover Moore. He botched the investigation into the Ruby Princess.
(When we say botched we mean that it’s unsatisfactory to the public but helps the LNP)
NSW Police still have not finished the investigation into Brian Houston which they started in July 2019. Why is this investigation going so slow yet Katharine Thornton’s complaint was closed because she did not sign a statement? We all know that SA police could have witnessed her signature they could have assisted Ms Thornton but the NSW police seem to have wanted to ignore the allegations.
People may think our assertions should be placed with “conspiracy theories” but the evidence we see seems to point to Fuller being rewarded by Berejiklian with an $85,000 pay rise during Covid when front line workers wages were frozen.
Now today we hear that Fuller may be sitting at the next election in the seat of Hughes, Craig Kelly’s seat.
Let’s s also remember that Fuller was Morrison’s next door neighbour and appears to be a Pentecostal that attends Morrison’s church.
As always with our Federal Government too many questions never any answers.

https://www.facebook.com/noslibertatemnostrisfoveam/posts/493690955337443

‘It’s our turn’: Inside the Christian Right conference plotting a political takeover

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-s-our-turn-inside-the-christian-right-conference-plotting-a-political-takeover-20210303-p577fv.html

The Glory of Profit
The Big Grift

West Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771-_wOyYik

Dark Money In Politics

https://ausgov.info/index.php?Topics=Donations&Article=Dark%20Money%20in%20Politics%3A%20Expanding%20the%20Scope

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Date: 11/03/2021 16:10:59
From: buffy
ID: 1708842
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/lawyers-christian-porter-subjected-to-codes-of-conduct/13235176

Snippet from that link:

>>“The proposal is that we put a request in to the legal practice board of WA to consider whether Christian Porter should be considered as a fit and proper person to be a member of the legal profession,” Mr Webb told 7.30.

“A number of us involved in this would have liked to have seen further inquiries of and by the Solicitor-General, as has been suggested.

“But if that is not the move forward, then this seems to us to be one of the few remaining options to ensure accountability, and to ensure that the Federal Attorney-General — the Commonwealth’s most senior officer — is held to the same standards of accountability as any other lawyer in Australia.

“That is a job for the legal practice boards.”<<

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:04:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708937
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Liberal candidate questions timing of Christian Porter rape allegation so close to WA election

The Liberal candidate for the seat of Albany, on Western Australia’s south coast, has questioned the timing of a historical rape allegation made against Attorney-General Christian Porter so close to the state election.

Candidate Scott Leary said he believed the airing of an allegation dating back to 1988, which Mr Porter strenuously denies, might be politically motivated to disrupt this Saturday’s election.

Liberal leader Zak Kirkup said he was disappointed to see the comments.

“I don’t agree with those comments,” he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/albany-liberal-candidate-scott-leary-questions-rape-allegation/13237754

they’re kind of right though, especially Zak, because here’s an election the Corruption Party have already conceded, so any attempt to disrupt it must be … an attempt to swing favour back towards Liberal

one of the ways they might do it is for some Liberal candidate feeling likely to lose his (ain’t gonna be a her right) seat anyway, to voice some … concerns

then good young Zak can look like an angel smacking the backside of the upstart candidate

and an even better long-term strategy too, to fake a victim’s suicide just before an unlikely-to-be-in-doubt election, burn off all the negative press this round, and leave the air clear for the federal fun and games next round

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:08:44
From: dv
ID: 1708942
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Liberal candidate questions timing of Christian Porter rape allegation so close to WA election

The Liberal candidate for the seat of Albany, on Western Australia’s south coast, has questioned the timing of a historical rape allegation made against Attorney-General Christian Porter so close to the state election.

Candidate Scott Leary said he believed the airing of an allegation dating back to 1988, which Mr Porter strenuously denies, might be politically motivated to disrupt this Saturday’s election.

Liberal leader Zak Kirkup said he was disappointed to see the comments.

“I don’t agree with those comments,” he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/albany-liberal-candidate-scott-leary-questions-rape-allegation/13237754

they’re kind of right though, especially Zak, because here’s an election the Corruption Party have already conceded, so any attempt to disrupt it must be … an attempt to swing favour back towards Liberal

one of the ways they might do it is for some Liberal candidate feeling likely to lose his (ain’t gonna be a her right) seat anyway, to voice some … concerns

then good young Zak can look like an angel smacking the backside of the upstart candidate

and an even better long-term strategy too, to fake a victim’s suicide just before an unlikely-to-be-in-doubt election, burn off all the negative press this round, and leave the air clear for the federal fun and games next round

Jesus Christ…

WA Libs were on a hiding to nothing before the rape allegations came up. ZK already conceded the match. Why would anyone bother timing anything to mess with it?

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:10:00
From: dv
ID: 1708943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

There’s a theory over at Auspol that Kirkup is a secret leftist playing a long game to destroy the Libs.

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:10:26
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1708944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:12:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708945
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:

why is it the darker foreground* colour, shouldn’t it be the lighter whiter colour

*: or foresomething anyway

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:14:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1708946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

dv said:
SCIENCE said:

Liberal candidate questions timing of Christian Porter rape allegation so close to WA election

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/albany-liberal-candidate-scott-leary-questions-rape-allegation/13237754

Jesus Christ…

WA Libs were on a hiding to nothing before the rape allegations came up. ZK already conceded the match. Why would anyone bother timing anything to mess with it?

There’s a theory over at Auspol that Kirkup is a secret leftist playing a long game to destroy the Libs.

^ ^^
Was his childhood hero Malcolm and did he Vote Yes ¿

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:19:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1708947
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:



Looks like Alan Joyce got his proposed new logo approved.

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:23:43
From: dv
ID: 1708948
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


dv said:
dv said:

Jesus Christ…

WA Libs were on a hiding to nothing before the rape allegations came up. ZK already conceded the match. Why would anyone bother timing anything to mess with it?

There’s a theory over at Auspol that Kirkup is a secret leftist playing a long game to destroy the Libs.

^ ^^
Was his childhood hero Malcolm and did he Vote Yes ¿

Idk he only entered the assembly 4 years ago, he’s scarcely more than a boy now. He’s been an environmental consultant in the private sphere.
He won his seat in 2017 by a few hundred votes and has been leader for three months. I can only assume that this was a “hospital pass” and he was the only one who put his hand up to take what is certain to be a very bloody L.

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:23:57
From: dv
ID: 1708949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Looks like Alan Joyce got his proposed new logo approved.

Lol

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:35:12
From: Rule 303
ID: 1708950
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

Liberal candidate questions timing of Christian Porter rape allegation so close to WA election

The Liberal candidate for the seat of Albany, on Western Australia’s south coast, has questioned the timing of a historical rape allegation made against Attorney-General Christian Porter so close to the state election.

Candidate Scott Leary said he believed the airing of an allegation dating back to 1988, which Mr Porter strenuously denies, might be politically motivated to disrupt this Saturday’s election.

Liberal leader Zak Kirkup said he was disappointed to see the comments.

“I don’t agree with those comments,” he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/albany-liberal-candidate-scott-leary-questions-rape-allegation/13237754

they’re kind of right though, especially Zak, because here’s an election the Corruption Party have already conceded, so any attempt to disrupt it must be … an attempt to swing favour back towards Liberal

one of the ways they might do it is for some Liberal candidate feeling likely to lose his (ain’t gonna be a her right) seat anyway, to voice some … concerns

then good young Zak can look like an angel smacking the backside of the upstart candidate

and an even better long-term strategy too, to fake a victim’s suicide just before an unlikely-to-be-in-doubt election, burn off all the negative press this round, and leave the air clear for the federal fun and games next round

Jesus Christ…

WA Libs were on a hiding to nothing before the rape allegations came up. ZK already conceded the match. Why would anyone bother timing anything to mess with it?

He’s an ALP plant?

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:35:28
From: Rule 303
ID: 1708951
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


There’s a theory over at Auspol that Kirkup is a secret leftist playing a long game to destroy the Libs.

Bam!

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:36:13
From: Rule 303
ID: 1708952
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Looks like Alan Joyce got his proposed new logo approved.

Ah dear….

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Date: 11/03/2021 19:58:30
From: party_pants
ID: 1708956
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


There’s a theory over at Auspol that Kirkup is a secret leftist playing a long game to destroy the Libs.

That was Lisa Harvey.

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Date: 12/03/2021 07:05:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709043
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/asio-assessment-revealed-in-haha-liu-court-application/13234740

this is why we need a good clean party like Labor, free of inappropriate ties to human rights violators like CHINA and more egregiously the USSA and Liberal, to save the country, the economy, the environment, the world

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Date: 12/03/2021 10:15:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709080
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This is probably also all the fault of that north antitank hero who allegedly suicided, it’s amazingly good timing for the election.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/wa-liberal-party-commitment-costings-chaos-two-days-from-poll/13240094

WA Liberals insisted the public had every reason to trust their claim that an ambitious and wide policy agenda could be delivered for just a $1.4 billion addition to state debt.

In other words, nobody actually looked at Liberal policies to see if they could be delivered for the cost the party had estimated. The accounting firm was simply asked to add up the numbers the Liberals gave them.

How any of those cost estimates were arrived at remains completely unclear. That was not the only question left unanswered, in a press conference Labor described as “shambolic” and a “car crash”. Opposition Labor Plant Zak Kirkup confirmed there was no modelling to back up key Liberal assumptions.

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Date: 12/03/2021 10:20:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709083
Subject: re: Aust Politics

we give it 3 hours before all the “you mustn’t erase history” anti-anti-idolisation-of-bigots crowd pile on and scream about how we mustn’t anti-erase history by anti-tearing-down statues of females

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/edith-cowan-statue-push-100-years-after-elected-first-female-mp/13235444

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Date: 12/03/2021 10:23:22
From: Arts
ID: 1709084
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


we give it 3 hours before all the “you mustn’t erase history” anti-anti-idolisation-of-bigots crowd pile on and scream about how we mustn’t anti-erase history by anti-tearing-down statues of females

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/edith-cowan-statue-push-100-years-after-elected-first-female-mp/13235444

Jesus fucking christ she has a whole university named after her.

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Date: 12/03/2021 10:26:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709087
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


SCIENCE said:

we give it 3 hours before all the “you mustn’t erase history” anti-anti-idolisation-of-bigots crowd pile on and scream about how we mustn’t anti-erase history by anti-tearing-down statues of females

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/edith-cowan-statue-push-100-years-after-elected-first-female-mp/13235444

Jesus fucking christ she has a whole university named after her.

And she’s on the money.

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Date: 12/03/2021 10:26:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709088
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


SCIENCE said:

we give it 3 hours before all the “you mustn’t erase history” anti-anti-idolisation-of-bigots crowd pile on and scream about how we mustn’t anti-erase history by anti-tearing-down statues of females

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/edith-cowan-statue-push-100-years-after-elected-first-female-mp/13235444

Jesus fucking christ she has a whole university named after her.

we thought the JC in JCU stood for James fucking Cook areweright

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Date: 12/03/2021 10:28:03
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1709089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


SCIENCE said:

we give it 3 hours before all the “you mustn’t erase history” anti-anti-idolisation-of-bigots crowd pile on and scream about how we mustn’t anti-erase history by anti-tearing-down statues of females

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/edith-cowan-statue-push-100-years-after-elected-first-female-mp/13235444

Jesus fucking christ she has a whole university named after her.

Not to mention the little town just up the road from me.

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Date: 12/03/2021 11:04:44
From: sibeen
ID: 1709107
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


SCIENCE said:

we give it 3 hours before all the “you mustn’t erase history” anti-anti-idolisation-of-bigots crowd pile on and scream about how we mustn’t anti-erase history by anti-tearing-down statues of females

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/edith-cowan-statue-push-100-years-after-elected-first-female-mp/13235444

Jesus fucking christ she has a whole university named after her.

What’s it called?

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Date: 12/03/2021 14:03:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1709215
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Lynda Reynolds retracts statement.

Defence Minister Linda Reynolds retracts ‘lying cow’ comment towards Brittany Higgins

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Date: 12/03/2021 14:41:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709239
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Morrison may have been hoping that this morning’s announcement of half-price flights to 13 tourism-dependent regions – complete with novelty “Sydney to Australia” plane ticket – would cause a distraction, and sure enough the subsidy dominated headlines. The $1.2 billion plan – intended to offset the impending end to JobKeeper – will cover half of nearly 800,000 airfares to the Gold Coast, Cairns, the Whitsundays region, the Sunshine Coast, Lasseter region (including Uluru), Alice Springs, Launceston, Devonport, Burnie, Broome, Avalon, Merimbula and Kangaroo Island, encouraging Australians to travel again (and encouraging premiers to keep their borders open).

But as the ABC was quick to note last night, “many of the initial destinations included in the program are in marginal or winnable electorates for the government” (eight are in marginal seats, while four are in safe Coalition electorates). The government insists the program is targeted at those locations that are most dependent on JobKeeper and aviation, but many in the sector say the scheme targets areas that are already expecting a healthy upcoming tourist season, while others miss out. Western Australia’s Tourism Council chief executive Evan Hall has slammed the list, saying it targets marginal seats and leaves Western Australia in the cold. “They have treated the economic impact on the tourism industry as a political problem,” he told the ABC. Queensland Treasurer Cameron Dick says it’s “bizarre” that the initiative doesn’t discount flights for people travelling within their own state, while Victoria is also unhappy, with just one destination on the list – the only one located in a safe Labor seat.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/11/2021/1615437868/flight-risk

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Date: 12/03/2021 20:07:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709373
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Government cash pile: $155 Bil doing nothing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6lsPkT3Uqs

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:08:21
From: dv
ID: 1709405
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I see Morrison’s Benny Hill cosplay is coming along nicely

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:10:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I see Morrison’s Benny Hill cosplay is coming along nicely

I think that’s the hat they keep for kids getting their pics taken in that seat.

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:11:20
From: buffy
ID: 1709410
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

I see Morrison’s Benny Hill cosplay is coming along nicely

I think that’s the hat they keep for kids getting their pics taken in that seat.

And your point about that is?

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:11:36
From: buffy
ID: 1709412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

I see Morrison’s Benny Hill cosplay is coming along nicely

I think that’s the hat they keep for kids getting their pics taken in that seat.

And your point about that is?

Oh, sorry, it’s the adults in charge now, isn’t it…

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:13:45
From: dv
ID: 1709414
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has retracted a comment calling alleged rape victim Brittany Higgins a “lying cow” and apologised again for making the remark.

Ms Higgins responded to the announcement, saying she was pleased the comment had been withdrawn and she had accepted the Minister’s apology.

She also alluded to damages being paid in her settlement with the Senator.

“This has been an immensely challenging period for me and I wish to reiterate that the only reason I have chosen to come forward is to help others,” she said.

“Finally, any monies I have received from the Minister as part of the settlement of my claim against her (over and above my legal costs) will be paid in full to an organisation that provides counselling and support to survivors of sexual assault and abuse in the Canberra area.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/linda-reynolds-retracts-lying-cow-comment-brittany-higgins/13242902

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:17:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709417
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has retracted a comment calling alleged rape victim Brittany Higgins a “lying cow” and apologised again for making the remark.

Any chance of Linda apologising for pretending to be the Defence Minister?

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:23:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709421
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has retracted a comment calling alleged rape victim Brittany Higgins a “lying cow” and apologised again for making the remark.

Ms Higgins responded to the announcement, saying she was pleased the comment had been withdrawn and she had accepted the Minister’s apology.

She also alluded to damages being paid in her settlement with the Senator.

“This has been an immensely challenging period for me and I wish to reiterate that the only reason I have chosen to come forward is to help others,” she said.

“Finally, any monies I have received from the Minister as part of the settlement of my claim against her (over and above my legal costs) will be paid in full to an organisation that provides counselling and support to survivors of sexual assault and abuse in the Canberra area.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/linda-reynolds-retracts-lying-cow-comment-brittany-higgins/13242902

Higgens has my vote.

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Date: 12/03/2021 21:28:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1709424
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Quickly retracts previous statement.

Runs away.

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Date: 12/03/2021 23:44:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Sally McManus

Yesterday at 18:10 ·
How to shut them up pretty quickly
I was asked this afternoon what I thought about the group of men who called themselves the “big swinging dicks” in the Liberal Party. Here’s what I had to say.

https://www.facebook.com/SallyMcManusACTU/videos/148531177044800

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Date: 12/03/2021 23:46:24
From: dv
ID: 1709477
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It concerns me that people calling for an investigation into Christian Porter are being dismissed as some sort of lynch mob ignoring the rule of law. True, there are some people that are declaring him guilty without due process, but most people are simply saying that while he almost certainly wouldn’t be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt making a criminal trial pointless, that doesn’t mean that a inquiry couldn’t examine his response to the accusations and whether – on the balance of probabilities – he’s made several inaccurate statements unbecoming of someone who’s the chief law officer. In other words, if he’s found to have lied through his teeth about some of the accusations, it doesn’t matter if the central one isn’t true, he’s not fit to be Attorney-General, but if he can show that there is no significant inconsistency in what he’s said, then he could continue in his role.

https://theaimn.com/democracy-is-really-just-mob-rule-and-why-im-innocent-of-everything/

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Date: 12/03/2021 23:52:06
From: Michael V
ID: 1709481
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Sally McManus

Yesterday at 18:10 ·
How to shut them up pretty quickly
I was asked this afternoon what I thought about the group of men who called themselves the “big swinging dicks” in the Liberal Party. Here’s what I had to say.

https://www.facebook.com/SallyMcManusACTU/videos/148531177044800

Uh-huh.

Yeah well, it is stupid and just plain wrong.

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Date: 12/03/2021 23:54:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1709482
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


It concerns me that people calling for an investigation into Christian Porter are being dismissed as some sort of lynch mob ignoring the rule of law. True, there are some people that are declaring him guilty without due process, but most people are simply saying that while he almost certainly wouldn’t be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt making a criminal trial pointless, that doesn’t mean that a inquiry couldn’t examine his response to the accusations and whether – on the balance of probabilities – he’s made several inaccurate statements unbecoming of someone who’s the chief law officer. In other words, if he’s found to have lied through his teeth about some of the accusations, it doesn’t matter if the central one isn’t true, he’s not fit to be Attorney-General, but if he can show that there is no significant inconsistency in what he’s said, then he could continue in his role.

https://theaimn.com/democracy-is-really-just-mob-rule-and-why-im-innocent-of-everything/

Porter is not fit to be AG, because there is a serious stench around him. Whether he did it or not, the stench still remains. That make him unfit.

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Date: 13/03/2021 00:05:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709490
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

It concerns me that people calling for an investigation into Christian Porter are being dismissed as some sort of lynch mob ignoring the rule of law. True, there are some people that are declaring him guilty without due process, but most people are simply saying that while he almost certainly wouldn’t be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt making a criminal trial pointless, that doesn’t mean that a inquiry couldn’t examine his response to the accusations and whether – on the balance of probabilities – he’s made several inaccurate statements unbecoming of someone who’s the chief law officer. In other words, if he’s found to have lied through his teeth about some of the accusations, it doesn’t matter if the central one isn’t true, he’s not fit to be Attorney-General, but if he can show that there is no significant inconsistency in what he’s said, then he could continue in his role.

https://theaimn.com/democracy-is-really-just-mob-rule-and-why-im-innocent-of-everything/

Porter is not fit to be AG, because there is a serious stench around him. Whether he did it or not, the stench still remains. That make him unfit.

I liked Michael West talking about ‘model litigants’ Porter has to stand up to everything thrown at him at AG. And een without rape allegations he fails that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyk5ri8mU90

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Date: 13/03/2021 00:52:10
From: furious
ID: 1709503
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Former Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has been elected as secretary-general of the OECD in a “stunning diplomatic coup”.

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Date: 13/03/2021 00:56:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709505
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I don’t want to be one of the baddies.

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Date: 13/03/2021 00:57:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Former Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has been elected as secretary-general of the OECD in a “stunning diplomatic coup”.

Damn.

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Date: 13/03/2021 00:57:47
From: transition
ID: 1709507
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


It concerns me that people calling for an investigation into Christian Porter are being dismissed as some sort of lynch mob ignoring the rule of law. True, there are some people that are declaring him guilty without due process, but most people are simply saying that while he almost certainly wouldn’t be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt making a criminal trial pointless, that doesn’t mean that a inquiry couldn’t examine his response to the accusations and whether – on the balance of probabilities – he’s made several inaccurate statements unbecoming of someone who’s the chief law officer. In other words, if he’s found to have lied through his teeth about some of the accusations, it doesn’t matter if the central one isn’t true, he’s not fit to be Attorney-General, but if he can show that there is no significant inconsistency in what he’s said, then he could continue in his role.

https://theaimn.com/democracy-is-really-just-mob-rule-and-why-im-innocent-of-everything/

how about the right to deny something, no’s been around for at least a quarter million years in the time of modern humans

some people sort of automatically associate denial with something bad, that it’s what people do that have done something wrong, associate it with denial of truth, that it protects a lie maybe, to hide something, but more commonly denial of various sorts is functional, part of every-day life

nobody can ever function from being completely open about anything and everything, all the time, nobody does, that would be a mental disorder of some sort

subject the mob, whatever word you want to use, fact is the larger social dimension of opinions could likely prejudice any inquiry, is my opinion

all my opinion only above, I don’t consider it to be my business

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Date: 13/03/2021 09:23:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1709535
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


furious said:

Former Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has been elected as secretary-general of the OECD in a “stunning diplomatic coup”.

Damn.

Well the Libs seem quite pleased about it.

Which is yet another reason to say damn I suppose.

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Date: 13/03/2021 09:29:14
From: Ian
ID: 1709537
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

furious said:

Former Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has been elected as secretary-general of the OECD in a “stunning diplomatic coup”.

Damn.

Well the Libs seem quite pleased about it.

Which is yet another reason to say damn I suppose.

At least we’ll have some more Darius

:)

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:03:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1709550
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/jobkeeper-wound-back-governments-cheap-flights-huge-punt/13242934

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:11:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709553
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

It concerns me that people calling for an investigation into Christian Porter are being dismissed as some sort of lynch mob ignoring the rule of law. True, there are some people that are declaring him guilty without due process, but most people are simply saying that while he almost certainly wouldn’t be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt making a criminal trial pointless, that doesn’t mean that a inquiry couldn’t examine his response to the accusations and whether – on the balance of probabilities – he’s made several inaccurate statements unbecoming of someone who’s the chief law officer. In other words, if he’s found to have lied through his teeth about some of the accusations, it doesn’t matter if the central one isn’t true, he’s not fit to be Attorney-General, but if he can show that there is no significant inconsistency in what he’s said, then he could continue in his role.

https://theaimn.com/democracy-is-really-just-mob-rule-and-why-im-innocent-of-everything/

how about the right to deny something, no’s been around for at least a quarter million years in the time of modern humans

some people sort of automatically associate denial with something bad, that it’s what people do that have done something wrong, associate it with denial of truth, that it protects a lie maybe, to hide something, but more commonly denial of various sorts is functional, part of every-day life

nobody can ever function from being completely open about anything and everything, all the time, nobody does, that would be a mental disorder of some sort

subject the mob, whatever word you want to use, fact is the larger social dimension of opinions could likely prejudice any inquiry, is my opinion

all my opinion only above, I don’t consider it to be my business


so what we’re saying is, non-consensual sexual activity is rape, and where an invasive action is potentially performed, individual female humans have the right to deny access, to say no, and mean no, and we can presume that innocence is desired, and it’s sad but for some individual female humans having to make such denials is part of everyday life

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:19:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1709559
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

dv said:

It concerns me that people calling for an investigation into Christian Porter are being dismissed as some sort of lynch mob ignoring the rule of law. True, there are some people that are declaring him guilty without due process, but most people are simply saying that while he almost certainly wouldn’t be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt making a criminal trial pointless, that doesn’t mean that a inquiry couldn’t examine his response to the accusations and whether – on the balance of probabilities – he’s made several inaccurate statements unbecoming of someone who’s the chief law officer. In other words, if he’s found to have lied through his teeth about some of the accusations, it doesn’t matter if the central one isn’t true, he’s not fit to be Attorney-General, but if he can show that there is no significant inconsistency in what he’s said, then he could continue in his role.

https://theaimn.com/democracy-is-really-just-mob-rule-and-why-im-innocent-of-everything/

how about the right to deny something, no’s been around for at least a quarter million years in the time of modern humans

some people sort of automatically associate denial with something bad, that it’s what people do that have done something wrong, associate it with denial of truth, that it protects a lie maybe, to hide something, but more commonly denial of various sorts is functional, part of every-day life

nobody can ever function from being completely open about anything and everything, all the time, nobody does, that would be a mental disorder of some sort

subject the mob, whatever word you want to use, fact is the larger social dimension of opinions could likely prejudice any inquiry, is my opinion

all my opinion only above, I don’t consider it to be my business


so what we’re saying is, non-consensual sexual activity is rape, and where an invasive action is potentially performed, individual female humans have the right to deny access, to say no, and mean no, and we can presume that innocence is desired, and it’s sad but for some individual female humans having to make such denials is part of everyday life

Nice come back.

:-)

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:23:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1709561
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:28:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709562
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sorry if repost / riposte

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:31:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1709563
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sorry if repost / riposte


Thanks.

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:34:41
From: buffy
ID: 1709564
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

furious said:

Former Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has been elected as secretary-general of the OECD in a “stunning diplomatic coup”.

Damn.

Well the Libs seem quite pleased about it.

Which is yet another reason to say damn I suppose.

Didn’t we pay for him to go for his job interviews for that? Air Force jet or something?

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Date: 13/03/2021 10:40:28
From: party_pants
ID: 1709568
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Damn.

Well the Libs seem quite pleased about it.

Which is yet another reason to say damn I suppose.

Didn’t we pay for him to go for his job interviews for that? Air Force jet or something?

Yes.

He owes us… something.

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:00:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1709580
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well the Libs seem quite pleased about it.

Which is yet another reason to say damn I suppose.

Didn’t we pay for him to go for his job interviews for that? Air Force jet or something?

Yes.

He owes us… something.

And not only is he one of those……….those Liberal filths but he’s also one of those pretend foreigners.
No, we need a proper Labor representative, someone the ABC can be proud of.

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:02:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709584
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

Didn’t we pay for him to go for his job interviews for that? Air Force jet or something?

Yes.

He owes us… something.

And not only is he one of those……….those Liberal filths but he’s also one of those pretend foreigners.
No, we need a proper Labor representative, someone the ABC can be proud of.

Perhaps someone Sarah’s Mum can be proud of too. I’d like that.

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:07:47
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1709587
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Yes.

He owes us… something.

And not only is he one of those……….those Liberal filths but he’s also one of those pretend foreigners.
No, we need a proper Labor representative, someone the ABC can be proud of.

Perhaps someone Sarah’s Mum can be proud of too. I’d like that.

Ex-LNP criminal Brendon Nelson is also now the head of Boeing Australia.

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:25:22
From: transition
ID: 1709601
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

dv said:

It concerns me that people calling for an investigation into Christian Porter are being dismissed as some sort of lynch mob ignoring the rule of law. True, there are some people that are declaring him guilty without due process, but most people are simply saying that while he almost certainly wouldn’t be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt making a criminal trial pointless, that doesn’t mean that a inquiry couldn’t examine his response to the accusations and whether – on the balance of probabilities – he’s made several inaccurate statements unbecoming of someone who’s the chief law officer. In other words, if he’s found to have lied through his teeth about some of the accusations, it doesn’t matter if the central one isn’t true, he’s not fit to be Attorney-General, but if he can show that there is no significant inconsistency in what he’s said, then he could continue in his role.

https://theaimn.com/democracy-is-really-just-mob-rule-and-why-im-innocent-of-everything/

how about the right to deny something, no’s been around for at least a quarter million years in the time of modern humans

some people sort of automatically associate denial with something bad, that it’s what people do that have done something wrong, associate it with denial of truth, that it protects a lie maybe, to hide something, but more commonly denial of various sorts is functional, part of every-day life

nobody can ever function from being completely open about anything and everything, all the time, nobody does, that would be a mental disorder of some sort

subject the mob, whatever word you want to use, fact is the larger social dimension of opinions could likely prejudice any inquiry, is my opinion

all my opinion only above, I don’t consider it to be my business


so what we’re saying is, non-consensual sexual activity is rape, and where an invasive action is potentially performed, individual female humans have the right to deny access, to say no, and mean no, and we can presume that innocence is desired, and it’s sad but for some individual female humans having to make such denials is part of everyday life

every person has the right to deny accusations, assertions, accusatory propositions, was all I meant

go ahead wrestle with that, I mean you can try and change that, think it out of existence, but the reality is all the good intentions in the world won’t change that

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:27:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1709603
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

how about the right to deny something, no’s been around for at least a quarter million years in the time of modern humans

some people sort of automatically associate denial with something bad, that it’s what people do that have done something wrong, associate it with denial of truth, that it protects a lie maybe, to hide something, but more commonly denial of various sorts is functional, part of every-day life

nobody can ever function from being completely open about anything and everything, all the time, nobody does, that would be a mental disorder of some sort

subject the mob, whatever word you want to use, fact is the larger social dimension of opinions could likely prejudice any inquiry, is my opinion

all my opinion only above, I don’t consider it to be my business


so what we’re saying is, non-consensual sexual activity is rape, and where an invasive action is potentially performed, individual female humans have the right to deny access, to say no, and mean no, and we can presume that innocence is desired, and it’s sad but for some individual female humans having to make such denials is part of everyday life

every person has the right to deny accusations, assertions, accusatory propositions, was all I meant

go ahead wrestle with that, I mean you can try and change that, think it out of existence, but the reality is all the good intentions in the world won’t change that

They may have the right to lie and deceive but they also have a responsibilty to be honest and accept that they are wrong.

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:28:37
From: Tamb
ID: 1709604
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

how about the right to deny something, no’s been around for at least a quarter million years in the time of modern humans

some people sort of automatically associate denial with something bad, that it’s what people do that have done something wrong, associate it with denial of truth, that it protects a lie maybe, to hide something, but more commonly denial of various sorts is functional, part of every-day life

nobody can ever function from being completely open about anything and everything, all the time, nobody does, that would be a mental disorder of some sort

subject the mob, whatever word you want to use, fact is the larger social dimension of opinions could likely prejudice any inquiry, is my opinion

all my opinion only above, I don’t consider it to be my business


so what we’re saying is, non-consensual sexual activity is rape, and where an invasive action is potentially performed, individual female humans have the right to deny access, to say no, and mean no, and we can presume that innocence is desired, and it’s sad but for some individual female humans having to make such denials is part of everyday life

every person has the right to deny accusations, assertions, accusatory propositions, was all I meant

go ahead wrestle with that, I mean you can try and change that, think it out of existence, but the reality is all the good intentions in the world won’t change that


Who once said “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.” ?

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:41:00
From: Woodie
ID: 1709611
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

Didn’t we pay for him to go for his job interviews for that? Air Force jet or something?

Yes.

He owes us… something.

And not only is he one of those……….those Liberal filths but he’s also one of those pretend foreigners.
No, we need a proper Labor representative, someone the ABC can be proud of.

We’ve now got someone “on the inside” so to speak, Mr Man. You know, someone that can pull a few strings, break a few rules, and do us a favour every now and then. And someone to take the pollies out for dinner when they’re in Europe.

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:42:59
From: dv
ID: 1709613
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The boss lady and I agreed on the first and last preference but had a diffferent order for the fillings.

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:44:39
From: transition
ID: 1709615
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is, non-consensual sexual activity is rape, and where an invasive action is potentially performed, individual female humans have the right to deny access, to say no, and mean no, and we can presume that innocence is desired, and it’s sad but for some individual female humans having to make such denials is part of everyday life

every person has the right to deny accusations, assertions, accusatory propositions, was all I meant

go ahead wrestle with that, I mean you can try and change that, think it out of existence, but the reality is all the good intentions in the world won’t change that

They may have the right to lie and deceive but they also have a responsibilty to be honest and accept that they are wrong.

you’re missing the point

it’s quite simple

to deny some accusation can be independent of the truth or otherwise of the substance of what might eventuate, I say eventuate because you’re talking about a construction, could be legal constructions, whatever a mental construction for sure

speaking in generalities, not of any particular thing^

denying things is a functional necessity, people deny things all the time

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Date: 13/03/2021 11:49:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1709618
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Yes.

He owes us… something.

And not only is he one of those……….those Liberal filths but he’s also one of those pretend foreigners.
No, we need a proper Labor representative, someone the ABC can be proud of.

We’ve now got someone “on the inside” so to speak, Mr Man. You know, someone that can pull a few strings, break a few rules, and do us a favour every now and then. And someone to take the pollies out for dinner when they’re in Europe.

I’d expect him to take proper Aussie farmers like you and me Woodie out to a restaurant if we popped in to see him while over there. Somewhere like Le Trough.

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Date: 13/03/2021 12:07:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709631
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

roughbarked said:
transition said:
every person has the right to deny accusations, assertions, accusatory propositions, was all I meant

go ahead wrestle with that, I mean you can try and change that, think it out of existence, but the reality is all the good intentions in the world won’t change that

They may have the right to lie and deceive but they also have a responsibilty to be honest and accept that they are wrong.

you’re missing the point

it’s quite simple

to deny some accusation can be independent of the truth or otherwise of the substance of what might eventuate, I say eventuate because you’re talking about a construction, could be legal constructions, whatever a mental construction for sure

speaking in generalities, not of any particular thing^

denying things is a functional necessity, people deny things all the time

just in case anyone else out there is getting the wrong idea, we actually agree with this transition dude here

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Date: 13/03/2021 12:09:57
From: transition
ID: 1709632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:
roughbarked said:

They may have the right to lie and deceive but they also have a responsibilty to be honest and accept that they are wrong.

you’re missing the point

it’s quite simple

to deny some accusation can be independent of the truth or otherwise of the substance of what might eventuate, I say eventuate because you’re talking about a construction, could be legal constructions, whatever a mental construction for sure

speaking in generalities, not of any particular thing^

denying things is a functional necessity, people deny things all the time

just in case anyone else out there is getting the wrong idea, we actually agree with this transition dude here

  • Christian Porter is probably guilty
  • no matter how guilty he is, he still has the right to tell lies, he still has the right to deny things
  • there is some level of freedom of expression / speech / action

you just misrepresented me, quite badly in fact

I was staying with some abstract concepts, you corrupted what I said

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Date: 13/03/2021 12:21:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709639
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

you’re missing the point

it’s quite simple

to deny some accusation can be independent of the truth or otherwise of the substance of what might eventuate, I say eventuate because you’re talking about a construction, could be legal constructions, whatever a mental construction for sure

speaking in generalities, not of any particular thing^

denying things is a functional necessity, people deny things all the time

just in case anyone else out there is getting the wrong idea, we actually agree with this transition dude here

  • Christian Porter is probably guilty
  • no matter how guilty he is, he still has the right to tell lies, he still has the right to deny things
  • there is some level of freedom of expression / speech / action

you just misrepresented me, quite badly in fact

I was staying with some abstract concepts, you corrupted what I said

we did not,
we applied your points we agree with (telling lies and denials is not illegal) to the situation,
and it’s not our fault that the situation is corrupt,
you should probably check with those responsible for the situation,
namely CP no need to blame the CCP,
to find out why it is corrupted

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Date: 13/03/2021 12:34:38
From: transition
ID: 1709649
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

just in case anyone else out there is getting the wrong idea, we actually agree with this transition dude here

  • Christian Porter is probably guilty
  • no matter how guilty he is, he still has the right to tell lies, he still has the right to deny things
  • there is some level of freedom of expression / speech / action

you just misrepresented me, quite badly in fact

I was staying with some abstract concepts, you corrupted what I said

we did not,
we applied your points we agree with (telling lies and denials is not illegal) to the situation,
and it’s not our fault that the situation is corrupt,
you should probably check with those responsible for the situation,
namely CP no need to blame the CCP,
to find out why it is corrupted

more misrepresentation of me, you’re persistent

I made no point regard what you suggest

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Date: 13/03/2021 12:49:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709653
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC And Other Media Unfairly Misrepresent Caseworker Accused Of Child Sex Offences Who We Presume Is Innocent Making This A Minor Leak And Not A Major Breach

Ex-worker who was investigated over child sex offences accessed sensitive data 260 times in major breach

A former caseworker who was investigated for an alleged child sex offence managed to access confidential information on a program for vulnerable kids for months after leaving their job, a report from Victoria’s privacy regulator has found.

They worked as a contractor between April 2016 and September 2017, but then continued to access data, including sensitive personal details on 27 clients, after leaving the job.

After leaving the caseworker job in September 2017, they worked for a different youth services provider as a live-in mentor.

But they were stood down from that job in February 2018, when police told DHHS they had “serious concerns about ‘s access to vulnerable and at-risk children”, the report said.

“Victoria Police told DHHS that ‘s work laptop had been handed into a police station and, while trying to locate the owner, officers had discovered child pornography on the laptop,” the OVIC report said.

“The laptop had multiple user profiles and, as such, Victoria Police were unable to prove that the material was ‘s,” the OVIC report stated.

The report noted the worker was also subject to a separate investigation into an alleged child sex offence.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/former-contractor-accessed-vic-government-child-data-260-times/13243230

what a bunch of lies, they shouldn’t be allowed to defame people like this, or are there different rules for VIC and Fed and NSW and SA and who the fuck knows

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Date: 13/03/2021 13:01:09
From: party_pants
ID: 1709659
Subject: re: Aust Politics

votes have been cast.

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Date: 13/03/2021 13:47:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:
roughbarked said:

They may have the right to lie and deceive but they also have a responsibilty to be honest and accept that they are wrong.

you’re missing the point

it’s quite simple

to deny some accusation can be independent of the truth or otherwise of the substance of what might eventuate, I say eventuate because you’re talking about a construction, could be legal constructions, whatever a mental construction for sure

speaking in generalities, not of any particular thing^

denying things is a functional necessity, people deny things all the time

just in case anyone else out there is getting the wrong idea, we actually agree with this transition dude here

  • Christian Porter is probably guilty
  • no matter how guilty he is, he still has the right to tell lies, he still has the right to deny things
  • there is some level of freedom of expression / speech / action

Christian Porter is no back bencher.He’s not even a treasurer. He is holding a position where he is supposed to be perfect.He is supposed to be able to cast the first stone.

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Date: 13/03/2021 14:22:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709684
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So has the Liberal Party been utterly wiped out in WA yet?

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Date: 13/03/2021 14:30:33
From: dv
ID: 1709687
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


So has the Liberal Party been utterly wiped out in WA yet?

Patience, patience… polls are still open for 6 more hours

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Date: 13/03/2021 14:33:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709688
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

So has the Liberal Party been utterly wiped out in WA yet?

Patience, patience… polls are still open for 6 more hours

At least the Libs and their workers/supporters will be able have an early night tonight.

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Date: 13/03/2021 14:35:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709689
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

So has the Liberal Party been utterly wiped out in WA yet?

Patience, patience… polls are still open for 6 more hours

Antony Green must be champing at the bit.

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Date: 13/03/2021 14:35:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709690
Subject: re: Aust Politics

On Monday, Senator Anne Ruston published a press release that called for Australians to “unmute” themselves and call out disrespect when they see it, in response to International Women’s Day.

Respect in this context means to have “due regard for someone’s feelings, wishes, or rights”.

This involves being considerate of, and having empathy for, the experiences of others, while acknowledging each person’s basic dignity, listening to others’ opinions and validating the contributions they make.

So let’s unmute ourselves about disrespect, shall we?

The ParentsNext program is a good idea in theory – it provides a framework for parents who have a career gap due to raising a family, to help them prepare to re-enter the workforce.

However, its implementation brings with it a host of problems that leave many participants feeling trapped and, yes, disrespected.

ParentsNext is a compulsory program for certain parents receiving a parenting payment for at least six months.

It sets out mandatory activities/appointments that “participants” with children older than six months and younger than six years who haven’t reported paid work to Centrelink must undertake or risk losing their income.

This program is just another example of the one-size-fits-all approach that the government seems to take to welfare policy.

The “participants” in this program are disproportionately Indigenous and female with reports stating that 95 per cent are women.

It makes assumptions about the capacity and educational level of those subjected to the program.

It provides no real support or applicable assistance to people with existing qualifications, and it assumes “participants” are incapable of setting their own goals and working towards achieving them.

Some of those enrolled in the program report being “forced” to sign participation plans that included agreements to attend playgroups, swimming lessons and so on at their own expense, where a failure to sign meant they would lose their payments.

This is not about getting back into the workforce or supporting their educational development.

Is this showing due regard for someone’s feelings, wishes or rights? I would argue that forcing someone to do anything fails the respect test.

Is the cashless debit card an example of how the government respects its vulnerable Australians?

Those subjected to this program are not on it by choice – they are forced onto the card and in so doing, suffer 80 per cent of their income being “quarantined” because the government doesn’t trust them to not spend it on gambling or alcohol.

Taking away a person’s right to decide where and how they spend money in a blanket program that impacts those unfortunate enough to live in the targeted areas – regardless of their circumstances (with exemptions being extremely difficult to achieve) – is not showing due regard for basic human rights.

The United Nations argues that it is not. In a report, Special Rapporteur Philip Alston stated that the federal government showed a lack of regulation and resistance to considering human rights in its cashless debit card program.

Is Senator Ruston showing respect when she calls people experiencing unemployment dole bludgers – especially when her press release was for International Women’s Day and there are more women who are experiencing unemployment than men and 42.3 per cent of single mothers are not employed, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics?

Is she showing consideration for people’s rights when she makes blanket statements about increasing JobSeeker payments lining the pockets of drug dealers?

Is the federal government showing respect to people struggling when it increases the JobSeeker payment by just $25 a week and attach strict new conditions to the receipt of the payment?

Is it “empowering” Australians by beefing up mutual obligations and continuing the rhetoric of the dole bludger who can’t be trusted not to laze about on the sofa all day playing Xbox?

I honestly find it quite laughable that a government which disrespects the rights – even the most basic human rights – of its people is trying to parent us into standing up for the disrespect that we see in our every day lives.

So, I’m unmuting myself and calling out the disrespect that our government shows its people on a daily basis, coated in elitist narratives of a parent-child relationship that smacks of patriarchal anachronisms that have no place in a modern government.

Perhaps modelling such a concept, instead of posturing about it, would be a better course of action.

Just a thought.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7156715/zoe-wundenberg-time-to-call-out-the-governments-disrespect-of-its-own-people/

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Date: 13/03/2021 14:38:04
From: dv
ID: 1709691
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

So has the Liberal Party been utterly wiped out in WA yet?

Patience, patience… polls are still open for 6 more hours

Antony Green must be champing at the bit.

“I still get paid, right?”

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Date: 13/03/2021 19:09:16
From: dv
ID: 1709794
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Andrews and Hunt have both been released from hospital.

The former says that surgery is not needed at present but that he has a long road to recovery.

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Date: 13/03/2021 19:10:54
From: buffy
ID: 1709795
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dan Andrews is still in hospital. Moved out of ICU.

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Date: 13/03/2021 19:13:10
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1709796
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Dan Andrews is still in hospital. Moved out of ICU.

Did he get Covid?

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Date: 13/03/2021 19:13:22
From: dv
ID: 1709797
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Dan Andrews is still in hospital. Moved out of ICU.

That

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Date: 13/03/2021 19:22:19
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1709798
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

Dan Andrews is still in hospital. Moved out of ICU.

Did he get Covid?

In Victoria? Never!

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Date: 13/03/2021 19:24:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709800
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Amy Remeikis
@AmyRemeikis
·
Mar 12
In the last hour – a longtime friend of the woman who had alleged Christian Porter had raped her while they were teenagers (a claim Porter vigorously denies) has said he recollects ‘relevant discussions’ with Porter about it in the 1990s

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2021/03/13/christian-porter-rape-claims/

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Date: 13/03/2021 20:30:47
From: Rule 303
ID: 1709807
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Children of Gods – How Power Works in Australia

Francis Greenslade was never really part of the privileged class that runs our country. But he came close enough to get a good look at it, warts and all.

Greenslade – an actor, teacher, writer, translator, musician – is probably best known through his work on the ABC’s satirical television show Mad as Hell. But in his youth, he had another claim to fame, as a champion debater.

Greenslade got into debating as a student at his “posh” school in Adelaide, St Peter’s College, a boys-only school favoured by the South Australian establishment. Alumni include eight South Australian premiers, plus two who went on to lead New South Wales and Western Australia, as well as a rollcall of prominent political, legal, business and scientific figures, including three Nobel laureates.

Greenslade says he was definitely “not part of the Adelaide establishment”. His parents were scientists, comfortably middle class. But his school was elite, and there was a pervasive sense that the boys who went there were “the children of gods and we would inherit the universe”.

Not all St Peter’s boys bought into the sense of elitism, of course. But there was definitely a cohort of boys, he says, who were “arrogant and self-entitled”. “But I suspect they were arrogant and self-entitled before they even got to school,” he says. “It’s often the parents, I think.”

St Peter’s equipped Greenslade with skills as a debater and the qualifications for university. What it did not equip him for, though, was women. “It was difficult,” he recalls. “I think that the main thing for me about going to a single-sex boys’ school is that once I got out I was not prepared for there to be a completely different gender. You know, talking to women, and just dealing with women as though they were people, did take me a while.”

At university, Greenslade’s passion for debating took him into even more rarefied company. He met people who are now politicians, judges, lawyers, the heads of ASX200 corporations. This is hardly surprising. Not only does debating attract the brightest and most articulate students, it is often seen as part of preparation for public life, providing skills particularly useful in politics and the law. Greenslade never had ambitions in these areas; he simply enjoyed the cut and thrust of argument, the performance. He was very good at it, and went on to become an adjudicator of others.

And that’s how he first encountered Christian Porter, who was then a student at the elite boys-only Hale School in Perth. It was at a competition between school debating teams in 1987. “I was the South Australian adjudicator in 1987 in Perth, so I would have adjudicated him. And I was part of the committee that chose the Australian schools team. So, I would have put him on the team,” Greenslade says. “He must have been good … I have absolutely no recollection of him at all.”
“It’s often said that the eye-watering fees paid for places at some of Australia’s elite non-government schools are an investment in a child’s future social network, far more than in their academic future.”

Greenslade does, however, have a very precise recollection of another member of the team, an exceptionally bright young woman – a girl, actually – from his home state, South Australia. “She was a very, very good debater. She was selected for the state team in year 10, which was pretty unheard of,” he says.

He can still clearly remember the grand final debate of the 1987 national schools competition. The topic was “the future justifies optimism” and South Australia was to argue the negative. The other team redefined the issue so cleverly that Greenslade – who was watching from the audience, but not adjudicating – recalls telling the South Australian coach: “I have no idea how they’re going to get out of this.” It was that girl, the second speaker, who got them out of it. “And I thought, she won the debate for us.”

They were friends, and saw each other regularly at debating events over nearly a decade – including a big one held at the University of Sydney in January 1988, where he was awarded the best speaker gong. Greenslade was not, however, among those in whom she confided about what allegedly happened there. He supports calls for an independent inquiry into Attorney-General Christian Porter in the wake of the sexual assault allegation.

That exceptional young woman did not have the brilliant career her friends expected for her. She struggled with mental health issues and took her own life last year. Late last month, friends of the deceased sent a letter to several federal politicians, including Prime Minister Scott Morrison, along with a 32-page dossier written by the woman. In it, she graphically detailed her alleged rape, 33 years ago, by a person who subsequently became a federal cabinet minister.

Morrison says he did not read the dossier, but referred it to NSW Police, who said they could not proceed with a criminal investigation due to “insufficient admissible evidence”. While traditional media did not identify the alleged perpetrator, social media did – to the extent that his name became a trending topic on Twitter.

On Wednesday of last week, Australia’s first law officer, Christian Porter, held a press conference and announced that he was the subject of the allegations. He categorically denied them. “Nothing in the allegations that have been printed ever happened,” he said. Porter said he would not stand down or stand aside. To do so, he said, would mean that anyone in public life might be removed from an elected position by the simple reporting of an allegation. There were echoes of the schoolboy debater in his sweeping assertion that if this became the standard, “there wouldn’t be much need for an attorney-general anyway, because there would be no rule of law left to protect in this country”.

The prime minister agreed. As far as he was concerned, it was case closed. “He is an innocent man under our law,” Morrison declared.

But as many legal experts and others have pointed out, there are means of inquiry other than a criminal investigation that could be employed, and are employed frequently to determine whether all sorts of people – teachers, lawyers, sportspeople – are fit and proper for their roles. The government, though, appears determined in its opposition to any further investigation of the allegations against Porter. Time will tell if that determination holds.

This is not just a question of law but, as Greenslade says, a matter of sociology. It’s about privilege and entitlement and the “club” of people like those he went to school with and debated against, who went on to careers in the law, judiciary, public service, business, media and, particularly, politics. The composition of the Morrison government illustrates the point: 16 of 22 members of the cabinet are men. Save for one of these, all are white. The Saturday Paper has established the educational backgrounds of 15 of them:

Eleven went to non-government schools, mostly elite private ones. Seven of them, including Morrison himself, attended boys-only institutions. The Treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, provides some diversity; his schooling was elite, but also co-educational and Jewish Orthodox.

This world is so small that both Communications minister Paul Fletcher, a former dux of the private Sydney Grammar School, and Health minister Greg Hunt, who attended the Peninsula School in Victoria, were also in attendance at the ’88 debating competition. Porter is from a similar rarefied pedigree, the son of Charles “Chilla” Porter, an Olympic high jumper turned Liberal Party powerbroker in Western Australia. Chilla’s own father, Charles Robert Porter, served in the Queensland state government from 1966 to 1980 and was appointed the minister for Aboriginal and Islander Affairs in Premier Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s fifth ministry.

But when one looks more broadly at the composition of the federal parliament, the numbers tell a similar story of homogeneity. Just 23 per cent of Coalition members and senators are women, compared with 47 per cent for Labor, and 60 per cent for the Greens. The conservatives’ “women problem” – more accurately a lack of women problem – has been the subject of commentary for years. It flared up particularly about the time of the dumping of Malcolm Turnbull from the Liberal leadership, with claims of sexism and bullying. Several capable women, among them Julia Banks, Kelly O’Dwyer and deputy leader Julie Bishop, subsequently quit politics. As Bishop reminded us again in an interview this week, a group of men describing themselves as the “big swinging dicks” conspired to thwart her career.

Other Liberal women complained at the time but stayed on. Senator Linda Reynolds was one of them, after she publicly lamented in August 2018: “I do not recognise my party at the moment. I do not recognise the values. I do not recognise the bullying and intimidation that has gone on.” Reynolds, the Defence minister, is now a central figure in another gendered crisis for the government, accused of being insufficiently supportive after the alleged rape, in March 2019, of one of her staffers, Brittany Higgins, then aged 24, by a more senior staff member, in Reynolds’ ministerial office.

The male staffer was sacked days later over what’s been described as a “security breach”. Despite the fact Higgins told Reynolds what had happened, and that multiple senior staff, several of them in the prime minister’s office, knew about it,

Morrison claimed to have been unaware of the allegation for almost two years. Until the story became public last month.
The political damage done to Morrison by his denial was exacerbated by an apparent lack of concern for the victim. He gave his wife credit for awakening his empathy, by asking him to consider what he would want if it were one of their “girls”.

A devastating rejoinder was delivered by Grace Tame, the Australian of the Year and a sexual abuse survivor, at the National Press Club last week: “It shouldn’t take having children to have a conscience,” she said. “And, actually, on top of that, having children doesn’t guarantee a conscience.”

When parliament resumes this week, Morrison will be down two senior ministers. Porter has taken leave while he tries to recover his mental health. Reynolds has taken time off due to a heart condition – pre-existing, but likely exacerbated by the stress of the Higgins revelations, including that she labelled her young former staffer a “lying cow”.

It is not just the Liberal Party that is burning here, though. A bigger, more widespread bonfire of the elite male vanities is blazing.
The sex discrimination commissioner, Kate Jenkins, has been called upon to lead an investigation of the workplace culture of the parliament – grudgingly established after the Higgins allegation. Jenkins believes Australia is now at a “turning point” in its attitudes to sexual harassment and assault. “In my time working in this area … over the 30 years, I’ve never seen any moment like this,” she told the ABC last Sunday. Cultural change, she said, was happening “across the board”.

Recent events have certainly lit a fire under elite boys’ schools, which so disproportionately turn out national leaders. And interestingly, the fire has been fuelled by their elite female equivalents.

About three weeks ago, Chanel Contos, a former student of Sydney’s Kambala girls’ school, began an online petition calling for schools to do more to instruct students about sexual consent, and at a younger age. She was driven by concern about the toxic masculinity evident among private schoolboys. “I have lived in three different countries and I have never spoken to anyone who has experienced rape culture the way me and my friends had growing up in Sydney among private schools,” Contos told one interviewer. Within a couple of weeks, the petition received more than 3000 responses from young women, sharing their stories of sexual abuse.

The private educational establishment responded with some commitments to do more about consent instruction, but also attempted to lay the blame for the apparent culture of misogyny on external factors: indulgent parenting, intoxicants and online pornography. A note to parents from Tony George, the head of Sydney’s prestigious The King’s School, whose alumni includes federal Energy minister Angus Taylor and former NSW premier Mike Baird, questioned how effective more consent education could even be, given the examples of aberrant behaviour in politics, sport and elsewhere. George wrote, in part:
“… do we really think an intoxicated teenage boy is going to have the presence of mind to recall his sex education curriculum and restrain himself at a boozed-up party when given the opportunity to pursue his porn-filled imagination and desire?
“If footballers and parliamentary staffers can’t do it, I think not.”

Other defenders of the elite status quo have similarly blamed exogenous factors, particularly pornography, rather than the culture their institutions help foster. “They are identifying the wrong problems,” says Catharine Lumby, who serves as a pro bono gender adviser to the National Rugby League, as well as being a professor of media studies at the University of Sydney.
“The problem is not online pornography. It is a gendered order in society where men, some men, think they can control women, and children, like property. ”Single-sex schools especially, she says, “are a bad idea”. Not only do they encourage a sense of entitlement in their charges, a sense that they are better than others, those “others” include a whole gender.

“As a girl from a working-class background, I did an arts/law degree at Sydney University and I was shocked by the behaviour of the elite, privileged boys from single-sex schools,” she says. “I will never forget when one of them brought a blow-up plastic sex doll for the lecturer to hold during a criminal law class on sexual assault.”

These days, Francis Greenslade wonders whether Australia’s private school system is desirable at all. It’s a good question. The data shows not only that this country is sliding down international rankings in terms of education, but also that Australia’s educational outcomes are more polarised than in most comparable nations. It is clear that students from less advantaged backgrounds suffer in under-resourced schools. But it is less clear whether those from more-privileged backgrounds actually benefit much, in purely academic terms, from private education. An array of socioeconomic factors means they would likely do well anyway.

Economists have a term for things that are valued more for the status they advertise than for their utility: positional goods. Perhaps a private school education could be seen in a similar way, as something valued for the status and contacts it provides.
It’s often said that the eye-watering fees paid for places at some of Australia’s elite non-government schools are an investment in a child’s future social network, far more than in their academic future.

Jordana Hunter, education program director at the Grattan Institute, says it’s complicated. “It can be hard to disentangle learning effects from networking effects. Networks seem to be quite significant in terms of success later in life. And that’s above and beyond a cognitive literacy and numeracy learning effect,” she says. Which is to say, it’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Hunter offers another insight, of particular relevance to politics: “It’s hard to understand the concerns of people you don’t empathise with, and hard to empathise with people you don’t know.” And when you have leaders drawn from a very narrow, privileged background, that has serious ramifications – both in terms of understanding of sexual consent and beyond.
Consider, for example, the Morrison government’s response to the Covid-19 recession.

Women, as the Grattan Institute detailed in a comprehensive report this week, lost their jobs at twice the rate men did. They were saddled with more unpaid work, including supervising children learning remotely. They were less likely to get government support, because JobKeeper excluded short-term casuals, who in the hardest-hit industries are mostly women. Yet the government directed substantial support to sectors, such as construction, that were little affected. It pumped more resources into apprenticeships, which historically are 70 per cent male, and ignored tertiary education, which is heavily female. Grattan’s chief executive, Danielle Wood, can cite innumerable examples, from childcare to superannuation to homelessness, where women are relatively disadvantaged. It comes back to a lack of diversity among politicians, she says.
“They just haven’t had the lived experience. And they don’t necessarily deal with a lot of people that have had that lived experience. And so, we end up focusing on a narrower set of policy issues than we should.”

This criticism goes beyond gender to class and race issues, too. For the moment, the focus is on the treatment of women.
Kate Jenkins may be right. Perhaps we have reached a moment of real change. But the “club”, as Greenslade calls it, is very good at protecting its privilege. It is also very good at silencing its critics by deflecting, intimidating, stonewalling and using the shame felt by its victims against them. But if the past few weeks have shown anything, it’s the power of those victims’ stories when they are told.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:02:33
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709813
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It’s all so depressing.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:05:19
From: dv
ID: 1709815
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


It’s all so depressing.

Look on the bright side

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:08:12
From: dv
ID: 1709817
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:08:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709818
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

It’s all so depressing.

Look on the bright side

My friend Rita was starving to death. How is this even possible in Australia today?
Amethyst DeWilde

Allowing poverty to continue is a political choice. The government proved that when it waved its wand and jobseeker doubled

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/13/my-friend-rita-was-starving-to-death-how-is-this-even-possible-in-australia-today

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:11:10
From: sibeen
ID: 1709819
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Fuck, I’d just linked that tweet and was going to post it with a great joke about Antony being conservative, but you went and completely ruined it.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:12:00
From: party_pants
ID: 1709820
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



I’d better go for main screen turn on…

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:14:16
From: dv
ID: 1709821
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:


Fuck, I’d just linked that tweet and was going to post it with a great joke about Antony being conservative, but you went and completely ruined it.

I mean you could still tell us the great joke.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:15:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1709822
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Well, I voted Greens in the upper house just to deprive ALP of a complete majority.

I am in favour of electoral reform that delivers a better electoral system for the upper house, so hopefully the greens can support something there. But I am not giving any government a blank cheque for any other legislation.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:15:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1709823
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:


Fuck, I’d just linked that tweet and was going to post it with a great joke about Antony being conservative, but you went and completely ruined it.

I mean you could still tell us the great joke.

unlikely is was “great”…

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:19:00
From: party_pants
ID: 1709824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr Green seems to be in a studio on the east coast.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:34:38
From: dv
ID: 1709826
Subject: re: Aust Politics

AG keeping his powder dry

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:39:56
From: party_pants
ID: 1709827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


AG keeping his powder dry

It has been half an hour and they’ve only called one seat.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:43:36
From: party_pants
ID: 1709829
Subject: re: Aust Politics

He’s called it.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:45:23
From: Michael V
ID: 1709831
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


He’s called it.

Zac won?

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:45:24
From: dv
ID: 1709832
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

AG keeping his powder dry

It has been half an hour and they’ve only called one seat.

And he’s given the game away, time of death 6:42pm

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:45:50
From: Woodie
ID: 1709833
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

AG keeping his powder dry

It has been half an hour and they’ve only called one seat.

My tele says 6 seats.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:46:58
From: party_pants
ID: 1709834
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

He’s called it.

Zac won?

No, the other bloke. They needed a swing against of 8% to lose. So far they (ALP) are getting a swing of around 5% to in the regional seats and 12% to in Metro.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:47:29
From: party_pants
ID: 1709835
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

AG keeping his powder dry

It has been half an hour and they’ve only called one seat.

My tele says 6 seats.

it updates.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:47:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709836
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

He’s called it.

Zac won?

No, the other bloke. They needed a swing against of 8% to lose. So far they (ALP) are getting a swing of around 5% to in the regional seats and 12% to in Metro.

j f c

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:49:06
From: Michael V
ID: 1709837
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

He’s called it.

Zac won?

No, the other bloke. They needed a swing against of 8% to lose. So far they (ALP) are getting a swing of around 5% to in the regional seats and 12% to in Metro.

That’s serious stuff!

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:50:10
From: sibeen
ID: 1709838
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Who is the Libs mouthpiece on the ABC?

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:51:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709839
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Who is the Libs mouthpiece on the ABC?

they all are

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:51:16
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1709840
Subject: re: Aust Politics

went to a memorial do for a CHC worker who had died from breast cancer. It was at the esplanade hotel in Busso. we had to be out by 5 cos the Libs were having a do in that room.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:51:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1709841
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Who is the Libs mouthpiece on the ABC?

dunno, don’t have a TV.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:52:50
From: dv
ID: 1709843
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

He’s called it.

Zac won?

No, the other bloke. They needed a swing against of 8% to lose. So far they (ALP) are getting a swing of around 5% to in the regional seats and 12% to in Metro.

Early doors yet…

But it looks as though the polling, which seemed ridiculous, is going to be about right… maybe 64%-36% or thereabouts in the 2pp

Also looks like ONP is in the dunny so that’s goos

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:53:49
From: party_pants
ID: 1709844
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Who is the Libs mouthpiece on the ABC?

Mike Nahan. Was state treasurer a few years ago.

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Date: 13/03/2021 21:55:23
From: sibeen
ID: 1709845
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

Who is the Libs mouthpiece on the ABC?

Mike Nahan. Was state treasurer a few years ago.

Ahh, thank you.

The accent was confusing me, but I’ve now looked him up.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:00:01
From: sibeen
ID: 1709846
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rofl

Reporter: “we have no idea when Mark McGowan is going to arrive”

Studio: “Any idea when Mark McGowan is going to arrive?”

Reporter: ….

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:03:42
From: Woodie
ID: 1709847
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Should ScoMo be quaking in his boots?

Or will it be “pffffft,,,,,, fought on state issues. Nothing to see here”

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:05:04
From: party_pants
ID: 1709848
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


Should ScoMo be quaking in his boots?

Or will it be “pffffft,,,,,, fought on state issues. Nothing to see here”

Always the latter when it’s your state counterparts getting a beating.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:06:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709849
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


Should ScoMo be quaking in his boots?

Or will it be “pffffft,,,,,, fought on state issues. Nothing to see here”

I do think that ScoMo’s plan for an early election has probably hit the back burner. Is there a chance he might do something that is seen to be egalitarian in this year’s budget?

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:06:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1709850
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


Should ScoMo be quaking in his boots?

Or will it be “pffffft,,,,,, fought on state issues. Nothing to see here”

Nah, little to do with the feds. though the liberal banners said Vote Liberal Locally.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:13:27
From: party_pants
ID: 1709851
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Might be time for a decaf and a more comfy chair.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:17:05
From: sibeen
ID: 1709852
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Libs might be looking for a new leader.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:17:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709853
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

Who is the Libs mouthpiece on the ABC?

Mike Nahan. Was state treasurer a few years ago.

He managed to avoid prison?

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:18:42
From: Michael V
ID: 1709855
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Zac won?

No, the other bloke. They needed a swing against of 8% to lose. So far they (ALP) are getting a swing of around 5% to in the regional seats and 12% to in Metro.

Early doors yet…

But it looks as though the polling, which seemed ridiculous, is going to be about right… maybe 64%-36% or thereabouts in the 2pp

Also looks like ONP is in the dunny so that’s good.

Not just good, but excellent.

:)

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:18:55
From: party_pants
ID: 1709856
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I just saw someone’s name on the list who I used to work with.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:19:19
From: Michael V
ID: 1709857
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Woodie said:

Should ScoMo be quaking in his boots?

Or will it be “pffffft,,,,,, fought on state issues. Nothing to see here”

Always the latter when it’s your state counterparts getting a beating.

Yep.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:20:33
From: Michael V
ID: 1709858
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I just saw someone’s name on the list who I used to work with.

Winning or losing?

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:23:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709860
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Executive Director of the New Zealand Maori Council, Matthew Tukaki, will be paying a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission abut the treatment of New Zealand citizens, former Australian Permanent Residents, deported recently on a flight from Australia who were paraded in front of television cameras while handcuffed and being led to an Australian Government chartered flight bound for New Zealand.

A report by Australia Television Network Nine News shows the reporter questioning them as they crossed the tarmac, asking, “How does it feel to be kicked out of Australia?” and, “Our country doesn’t want you, are you excited to go home?” to a handcuffed woman being escorted by two guards holding her. Tukaki has said he is also considerably concerned at the number of Maori being deported who have few family or whanau links.

“The very fact that an Australian Government Department, Border Force, allowed this sort of inhumane treatment like some sort of tin pot banana republic is one thing but the for the Minister to take to the cameras and say he was taking the trash out? They are not trash Peter Dutton they were resident in your country for the majority of their lives, were products of your operating environment and are your problem – but then again Peter Dutton would know what a beating heart was if it slammed dunked him in the middle of a pandemic.” Tukaki said

“I can tell you now that it is one thing to deport people but to make a media stand up over it indicates to me that Australia needs to very much grow up and start addressing some of the inherent problems in its own country, a country where I spent more than twenty years and led their suicide prevention sector -because this is not the way to treat anyone. I would have though that Mr Dutton would have learnt that by now in the way Aboriginal people have been treated in his prisons and youth detention centres.” Tukaki said

Nearly 2000 people have been deported to New Zealand since Australia began hardline enforcement of a populist immigration policy in late 2014. Tukaki said that he is concerned that not only is the Australian Government failing to reocgnise what has been a longstanding relationship but politics are played with little regard to human rights:

“These are human rights issues as much as they are political and this sort of behaviour is nonsense. More to the point I get that Australia has this policy and I get that people who commit crimes need to do the time – which many of them have done. But where do we stop when it comes to the acceptance that these crimes were committed by people who were largely bought up in the Australian environment not here – and where their families live and who are always best suited in the process of rehabilitation.” Tukaki said

Tukaki said that the complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission would be filed today.

https://www.maoricouncil.org/post/tukaki-faces-off-with-australian-border-force-minister-files-human-rights-complaint

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:23:40
From: party_pants
ID: 1709861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

I just saw someone’s name on the list who I used to work with.

Winning or losing?

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:24:46
From: party_pants
ID: 1709863
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I just saw someone’s name on the list who I used to work with.

Winning or losing?

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

if it’s the same person, that is.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:27:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709864
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I just saw someone’s name on the list who I used to work with.

Winning or losing?

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

I seem to recall that the Democrats only came into existence because Don Chipp forgot to nominate in time for selection as a Liberal candidate in an election, and the Libs saw the chance to ditch him (‘sorry, Don, we thought you weren’t interested this time around’) so Don had to come up with his own party PDQ.

With origins like that…

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:29:32
From: Rule 303
ID: 1709865
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


The Libs might be looking for a new leader.

It won’t make much difference if they don’t even secure enough seats to form an opposition.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:34:59
From: Michael V
ID: 1709866
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The Executive Director of the New Zealand Maori Council, Matthew Tukaki, will be paying a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission abut the treatment of New Zealand citizens, former Australian Permanent Residents, deported recently on a flight from Australia who were paraded in front of television cameras while handcuffed and being led to an Australian Government chartered flight bound for New Zealand.

A report by Australia Television Network Nine News shows the reporter questioning them as they crossed the tarmac, asking, “How does it feel to be kicked out of Australia?” and, “Our country doesn’t want you, are you excited to go home?” to a handcuffed woman being escorted by two guards holding her. Tukaki has said he is also considerably concerned at the number of Maori being deported who have few family or whanau links.

“The very fact that an Australian Government Department, Border Force, allowed this sort of inhumane treatment like some sort of tin pot banana republic is one thing but the for the Minister to take to the cameras and say he was taking the trash out? They are not trash Peter Dutton they were resident in your country for the majority of their lives, were products of your operating environment and are your problem – but then again Peter Dutton would know what a beating heart was if it slammed dunked him in the middle of a pandemic.” Tukaki said

“I can tell you now that it is one thing to deport people but to make a media stand up over it indicates to me that Australia needs to very much grow up and start addressing some of the inherent problems in its own country, a country where I spent more than twenty years and led their suicide prevention sector -because this is not the way to treat anyone. I would have though that Mr Dutton would have learnt that by now in the way Aboriginal people have been treated in his prisons and youth detention centres.” Tukaki said

Nearly 2000 people have been deported to New Zealand since Australia began hardline enforcement of a populist immigration policy in late 2014. Tukaki said that he is concerned that not only is the Australian Government failing to reocgnise what has been a longstanding relationship but politics are played with little regard to human rights:

“These are human rights issues as much as they are political and this sort of behaviour is nonsense. More to the point I get that Australia has this policy and I get that people who commit crimes need to do the time – which many of them have done. But where do we stop when it comes to the acceptance that these crimes were committed by people who were largely bought up in the Australian environment not here – and where their families live and who are always best suited in the process of rehabilitation.” Tukaki said

Tukaki said that the complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission would be filed today.

https://www.maoricouncil.org/post/tukaki-faces-off-with-australian-border-force-minister-files-human-rights-complaint

Fair.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:35:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709867
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The Executive Director of the New Zealand Maori Council, Matthew Tukaki, will be paying a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission abut the treatment of New Zealand citizens, former Australian Permanent Residents, deported recently on a flight from Australia who were paraded in front of television cameras while handcuffed and being led to an Australian Government chartered flight bound for New Zealand.

A report by Australia Television Network Nine News shows the reporter questioning them as they crossed the tarmac, asking, “How does it feel to be kicked out of Australia?” and, “Our country doesn’t want you, are you excited to go home?” to a handcuffed woman being escorted by two guards holding her. Tukaki has said he is also considerably concerned at the number of Maori being deported who have few family or whanau links.

“The very fact that an Australian Government Department, Border Force, allowed this sort of inhumane treatment like some sort of tin pot banana republic is one thing but the for the Minister to take to the cameras and say he was taking the trash out? They are not trash Peter Dutton they were resident in your country for the majority of their lives, were products of your operating environment and are your problem – but then again Peter Dutton would know what a beating heart was if it slammed dunked him in the middle of a pandemic.” Tukaki said

“I can tell you now that it is one thing to deport people but to make a media stand up over it indicates to me that Australia needs to very much grow up and start addressing some of the inherent problems in its own country, a country where I spent more than twenty years and led their suicide prevention sector -because this is not the way to treat anyone. I would have though that Mr Dutton would have learnt that by now in the way Aboriginal people have been treated in his prisons and youth detention centres.” Tukaki said

Nearly 2000 people have been deported to New Zealand since Australia began hardline enforcement of a populist immigration policy in late 2014. Tukaki said that he is concerned that not only is the Australian Government failing to reocgnise what has been a longstanding relationship but politics are played with little regard to human rights:

“These are human rights issues as much as they are political and this sort of behaviour is nonsense. More to the point I get that Australia has this policy and I get that people who commit crimes need to do the time – which many of them have done. But where do we stop when it comes to the acceptance that these crimes were committed by people who were largely bought up in the Australian environment not here – and where their families live and who are always best suited in the process of rehabilitation.” Tukaki said

Tukaki said that the complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission would be filed today.

https://www.maoricouncil.org/post/tukaki-faces-off-with-australian-border-force-minister-files-human-rights-complaint

rights rights rights, first CHINA, now dirty NEW ZEALAND, who would have thought they’d be in such cahoots

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:35:34
From: Michael V
ID: 1709869
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I just saw someone’s name on the list who I used to work with.

Winning or losing?

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

Ta.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:36:54
From: Michael V
ID: 1709870
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Winning or losing?

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

I seem to recall that the Democrats only came into existence because Don Chipp forgot to nominate in time for selection as a Liberal candidate in an election, and the Libs saw the chance to ditch him (‘sorry, Don, we thought you weren’t interested this time around’) so Don had to come up with his own party PDQ.

With origins like that…

Not my recollection. But mine may be incorrect…

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:40:46
From: dv
ID: 1709872
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If as seems possible the Nats end with 3 and the Libs end with 2, then Mia Davies is the opposition leader

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:42:00
From: party_pants
ID: 1709873
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


If as seems possible the Nats end with 3 and the Libs end with 2, then Mia Davies is the opposition leader

If 3 is enough for an official opposition. Bear in mind there is no coalition.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:43:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709874
Subject: re: Aust Politics

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!:

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:43:47
From: Michael V
ID: 1709875
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

I seem to recall that the Democrats only came into existence because Don Chipp forgot to nominate in time for selection as a Liberal candidate in an election, and the Libs saw the chance to ditch him (‘sorry, Don, we thought you weren’t interested this time around’) so Don had to come up with his own party PDQ.

With origins like that…

Not my recollection. But mine may be incorrect…

I don’t see that here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Chipp

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:44:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1709876
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!:


Thumbs up to that!

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:45:04
From: Woodie
ID: 1709877
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:

The Libs might be looking for a new leader.

Well. going by the tele ATM, either of them have a 50/50 chance of getting it.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:46:25
From: party_pants
ID: 1709878
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Winning or losing?

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

I seem to recall that the Democrats only came into existence because Don Chipp forgot to nominate in time for selection as a Liberal candidate in an election, and the Libs saw the chance to ditch him (‘sorry, Don, we thought you weren’t interested this time around’) so Don had to come up with his own party PDQ.

With origins like that…

I’m not that old. This was during the Cheryl Kernott era.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:46:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709879
Subject: re: Aust Politics

well, well, well

McG’ Fights For Political Survival Staring Down Massive Off The Scale Swing Away From Labor

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:48:33
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709880
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!:


The same companies are platinum members of both the Liberal and Labor parties.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:55:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709881
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!:


The same companies are platinum members of both the Liberal and Labor parties.

All the charities are also paid up members. We give them money. They give it to the parties. The government give out contracts to charities instead of the government doing that thing. The charity CEOs make a dollar.

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:56:26
From: Michael V
ID: 1709882
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!:


The same companies are platinum members of both the Liberal and Labor parties.

So?

(That’s how they do business…)

We still need that!

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Date: 13/03/2021 22:59:00
From: Michael V
ID: 1709884
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!:


The same companies are platinum members of both the Liberal and Labor parties.

All the charities are also paid up members. We give them money. They give it to the parties. The government give out contracts to charities instead of the government doing that thing. The charity CEOs make a dollar.

The charities I give to are like “Teacher in a box”.

Well, it might be the only charity I give to…

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:00:50
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1709885
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Winning or losing?

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

I seem to recall that the Democrats only came into existence because Don Chipp forgot to nominate in time for selection as a Liberal candidate in an election, and the Libs saw the chance to ditch him (‘sorry, Don, we thought you weren’t interested this time around’) so Don had to come up with his own party PDQ.

With origins like that…

The Democrats went way further back than when Chipp got involved.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:02:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709886
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

The same companies are platinum members of both the Liberal and Labor parties.

All the charities are also paid up members. We give them money. They give it to the parties. The government give out contracts to charities instead of the government doing that thing. The charity CEOs make a dollar.

The charities I give to are like “Teacher in a box”.

Well, it might be the only charity I give to…

I approve. Carry on.
(I don’t give away very much. But nowadays it is more gofundme’s or community.)

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:05:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709887
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!:


The same companies are platinum members of both the Liberal and Labor parties.

So?

(That’s how they do business…)

We still need that!

Now we’re harking back to the earlier talk about politicians being ‘ethical’ and ‘moral.

Being beholden to corporate interests makes being ethical and moral very much more difficult.

An ‘ethical’ politician would know that he/she should not prioritise the interests of a sponsor above the greater good of the country – but might still do that.

A ‘moral’ politician would refuse to do that.

The lobbying industry exists solely to persuade politicians to ignore ethical and moral considerations, and to do what is best for their client(s), or to at least minimise effects on their client(s), even if that means that the ‘greater good’ gets watered down somewhat (maybe a whole lot).

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:08:07
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1709888
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:08:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709889
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The same companies are platinum members of both the Liberal and Labor parties.

So?

(That’s how they do business…)

We still need that!

Now we’re harking back to the earlier talk about politicians being ‘ethical’ and ‘moral.

Being beholden to corporate interests makes being ethical and moral very much more difficult.

An ‘ethical’ politician would know that he/she should not prioritise the interests of a sponsor above the greater good of the country – but might still do that.

A ‘moral’ politician would refuse to do that.

The lobbying industry exists solely to persuade politicians to ignore ethical and moral considerations, and to do what is best for their client(s), or to at least minimise effects on their client(s), even if that means that the ‘greater good’ gets watered down somewhat (maybe a whole lot).

but maybe there is a balance between raising awareness and raising bids

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:12:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709890
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

He was the Greens candidate, coming third. I think it was the Zac Kirkup seat but I can’t remember. I’m waiting for them to show it again. Stuart Godden was his name. When I worked with him he was a member of the Australian Democrats and very upset with what was going on within the party.

I seem to recall that the Democrats only came into existence because Don Chipp forgot to nominate in time for selection as a Liberal candidate in an election, and the Libs saw the chance to ditch him (‘sorry, Don, we thought you weren’t interested this time around’) so Don had to come up with his own party PDQ.

With origins like that…

The Democrats went way further back than when Chipp got involved.

Their precursors did.

Chipp got involved with them when he left the Libs, which had been coming for some time, as he really was on the outer with them.

He did stuff up his registering to stand for the Senate in the 1987 election, and he waited for a while to see if the Libs would stretch a point let him back in, but they didn’t, so he took up the ‘Centre-Line’ party on some feelers that they’d put out to him earlier, and he quickly realised that this could be his own vehicle, and lo! the Democrats sprang upon the scene. Credit to him, he galvanised the organisation and got it to look rather like a real party.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:13:10
From: dv
ID: 1709891
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It’s worth remembering that the ALP were wiped out in Qld in 2012, and came back and won the next election

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:14:29
From: sibeen
ID: 1709892
Subject: re: Aust Politics

We’re being outpolled by the christians…

ROFL

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:14:38
From: Michael V
ID: 1709893
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

All the charities are also paid up members. We give them money. They give it to the parties. The government give out contracts to charities instead of the government doing that thing. The charity CEOs make a dollar.

The charities I give to are like “Teacher in a box”.

Well, it might be the only charity I give to…

I approve. Carry on.
(I don’t give away very much. But nowadays it is more gofundme’s or community.)

Mrs V and I were on the same trip that JJ was on. We saw the same things. It seriously upset me. JJ went on to do her stuff. We supported her. I re-wrote many of her early pleas for funding through Rotary.

Ms V says her only introduction to Rotary was JJ, but look how good it was…

JJ has achieved so well, in her retirement. She’s so good-hearted.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:17:37
From: party_pants
ID: 1709894
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


We’re being outpolled by the christians…

ROFL

Armadale is an area with a big Dutch community through the Free Reformed Church. The Aus Christians candidate normally is associated with that church and gets a bigger than normal vote. But it really is just an outlier seat.

I used to live in that seat up to about 5 years ago.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:17:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709895
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

The charities I give to are like “Teacher in a box”.

Well, it might be the only charity I give to…

I approve. Carry on.
(I don’t give away very much. But nowadays it is more gofundme’s or community.)

Mrs V and I were on the same trip that JJ was on. We saw the same things. It seriously upset me. JJ went on to do her stuff. We supported her. I re-wrote many of her early pleas for funding through Rotary.

Ms V says her only introduction to Rotary was JJ, but look how good it was…

JJ has achieved so well, in her retirement. She’s so good-hearted.

Are you still in touch?

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:17:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1709896
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

I seem to recall that the Democrats only came into existence because Don Chipp forgot to nominate in time for selection as a Liberal candidate in an election, and the Libs saw the chance to ditch him (‘sorry, Don, we thought you weren’t interested this time around’) so Don had to come up with his own party PDQ.

With origins like that…

The Democrats went way further back than when Chipp got involved.

Their precursors did.

Chipp got involved with them when he left the Libs, which had been coming for some time, as he really was on the outer with them.

He did stuff up his registering to stand for the Senate in the 1987 election, and he waited for a while to see if the Libs would stretch a point let him back in, but they didn’t, so he took up the ‘Centre-Line’ party on some feelers that they’d put out to him earlier, and he quickly realised that this could be his own vehicle, and lo! the Democrats sprang upon the scene. Credit to him, he galvanised the organisation and got it to look rather like a real party.

The original Party was known as the Australia Party and when Chipp joined (being better known) he was offered the leadership and the Australian Democrats was born, but the party he took over, supporters and organisation was the Australia Party.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:18:52
From: Rule 303
ID: 1709897
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


We’re being outpolled by the christians…

ROFL

Who are ‘we’ in this context?

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:20:19
From: sibeen
ID: 1709898
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

We’re being outpolled by the christians…

ROFL

Armadale is an area with a big Dutch community through the Free Reformed Church. The Aus Christians candidate normally is associated with that church and gets a bigger than normal vote. But it really is just an outlier seat.

I used to live in that seat up to about 5 years ago.

Bloody Dutch!

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:20:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709899
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

The Democrats went way further back than when Chipp got involved.

Their precursors did.

Chipp got involved with them when he left the Libs, which had been coming for some time, as he really was on the outer with them.

He did stuff up his registering to stand for the Senate in the 1987 election, and he waited for a while to see if the Libs would stretch a point let him back in, but they didn’t, so he took up the ‘Centre-Line’ party on some feelers that they’d put out to him earlier, and he quickly realised that this could be his own vehicle, and lo! the Democrats sprang upon the scene. Credit to him, he galvanised the organisation and got it to look rather like a real party.

The original Party was known as the Australia Party and when Chipp joined (being better known) he was offered the leadership and the Australian Democrats was born, but the party he took over, supporters and organisation was the Australia Party.

I reckon you’re right about that. Some of the edges of the recollections are frayed.

Wasn’t there still some lingering ghost of an ‘Australia Party’ getting around in a few elections after the Democrats arrived?

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:21:45
From: sibeen
ID: 1709900
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

We’re being outpolled by the christians…

ROFL

Who are ‘we’ in this context?

I am quoting Mike Nahan who is on the ABC TV show on the WA election.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:23:25
From: Rule 303
ID: 1709902
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

We’re being outpolled by the christians…

ROFL

Who are ‘we’ in this context?

I am quoting Mike Nahan who is on the ABC TV show on the WA election.

Ah, good then.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:24:03
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1709903
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

Their precursors did.

Chipp got involved with them when he left the Libs, which had been coming for some time, as he really was on the outer with them.

He did stuff up his registering to stand for the Senate in the 1987 election, and he waited for a while to see if the Libs would stretch a point let him back in, but they didn’t, so he took up the ‘Centre-Line’ party on some feelers that they’d put out to him earlier, and he quickly realised that this could be his own vehicle, and lo! the Democrats sprang upon the scene. Credit to him, he galvanised the organisation and got it to look rather like a real party.

The original Party was known as the Australia Party and when Chipp joined (being better known) he was offered the leadership and the Australian Democrats was born, but the party he took over, supporters and organisation was the Australia Party.

I reckon you’re right about that. Some of the edges of the recollections are frayed.

Wasn’t there still some lingering ghost of an ‘Australia Party’ getting around in a few elections after the Democrats arrived?

There are always a few dissenters, but most got behind Chipp. I used to vote for the Australia Party and later the Democrats.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:28:46
From: party_pants
ID: 1709904
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I filled in all 64 boxes below the line.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:33:19
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1709905
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

The original Party was known as the Australia Party and when Chipp joined (being better known) he was offered the leadership and the Australian Democrats was born, but the party he took over, supporters and organisation was the Australia Party.

I reckon you’re right about that. Some of the edges of the recollections are frayed.

Wasn’t there still some lingering ghost of an ‘Australia Party’ getting around in a few elections after the Democrats arrived?

There are always a few dissenters, but most got behind Chipp. I used to vote for the Australia Party and later the Democrats.

Significant figures in the Australia Party were Senator Reg Turnbull (elected as an independent, but Australia Party leader in 1969–1970), and journalist Alan Fitzgerald, then an elected member of the Australian Capital Territory Advisory Council. Two Australia Party members were elected to the newly formed Australian Capital Territory Legislative Assembly in 1975: Ivor Vivian and Maureen Worsley. Vivian joined the Australian Democrats, and was re-elected in 1979, but Worsley sat as an Independent from 1977 to the end of her term in 1979. Australia Party members who later entered federal parliament as Australian Democrats senators included Colin Mason (NSW), John Siddons (Vic), Sid Spindler (Vic) and Jean Jenkins (WA).

An important aspect of the Australia Party and later Australian Democrats is that they nullified and then overtook the minority influence of the Democratic Labor Party, which had wielded much influence in post-war federal and state politics. The Australia Party altered the power dynamics, and the Australia Democrats continued that role until they were succeeded by the Greens in the 2004 federal election.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:38:12
From: party_pants
ID: 1709906
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I think one of the good outcomes of this result might be a bit more exposure on how the happy-clappers are trying to infiltrate and stack the Lib safe seats.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:40:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1709908
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I approve. Carry on.
(I don’t give away very much. But nowadays it is more gofundme’s or community.)

Mrs V and I were on the same trip that JJ was on. We saw the same things. It seriously upset me. JJ went on to do her stuff. We supported her. I re-wrote many of her early pleas for funding through Rotary.

Ms V says her only introduction to Rotary was JJ, but look how good it was…

JJ has achieved so well, in her retirement. She’s so good-hearted.

Are you still in touch?

Absolutely. JJ and her partner visited in December.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:40:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709909
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I filled in all 64 boxes below the line.

Like.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:41:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709910
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Mrs V and I were on the same trip that JJ was on. We saw the same things. It seriously upset me. JJ went on to do her stuff. We supported her. I re-wrote many of her early pleas for funding through Rotary.

Ms V says her only introduction to Rotary was JJ, but look how good it was…

JJ has achieved so well, in her retirement. She’s so good-hearted.

Are you still in touch?

Absolutely. JJ and her partner visited in December.

Send her my fondests then. :)

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:41:08
From: Michael V
ID: 1709911
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

The Democrats went way further back than when Chipp got involved.

Their precursors did.

Chipp got involved with them when he left the Libs, which had been coming for some time, as he really was on the outer with them.

He did stuff up his registering to stand for the Senate in the 1987 election, and he waited for a while to see if the Libs would stretch a point let him back in, but they didn’t, so he took up the ‘Centre-Line’ party on some feelers that they’d put out to him earlier, and he quickly realised that this could be his own vehicle, and lo! the Democrats sprang upon the scene. Credit to him, he galvanised the organisation and got it to look rather like a real party.

The original Party was known as the Australia Party and when Chipp joined (being better known) he was offered the leadership and the Australian Democrats was born, but the party he took over, supporters and organisation was the Australia Party.

Which (IIRC) still exists – as a law reform outfit.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:41:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1709912
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I think one of the good outcomes of this result might be a bit more exposure on how the happy-clappers are trying to infiltrate and stack the Lib safe seats.

People in safe Liberals seats are also waking up to the fact that they are largely ignored.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:45:30
From: Neophyte
ID: 1709914
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Are you still in touch?

Absolutely. JJ and her partner visited in December.

Send her my fondests then. :)

Plus from Neddles and Neophyte

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:45:31
From: Michael V
ID: 1709915
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Are you still in touch?

Absolutely. JJ and her partner visited in December.

Send her my fondests then. :)

I will. I’ll be seeing JJ in Brisbane in a week or two.

She is doing a great thing.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:49:13
From: Lord_Lucan
ID: 1709916
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Well that was a father of a hiding.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:50:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1709917
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Neophyte said:


sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Absolutely. JJ and her partner visited in December.

Send her my fondests then. :)

Plus from Neddles and Neophyte

Cheers!

:)

Can you put a little money there? Anything would be good.

I have to discuss the next tranche we make with Mrs V, but I’m thinking tens of k’s night help a lot.

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:53:03
From: Neophyte
ID: 1709919
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Neophyte said:

sarahs mum said:

Send her my fondests then. :)

Plus from Neddles and Neophyte

Cheers!

:)

Can you put a little money there? Anything would be good.

I have to discuss the next tranche we make with Mrs V, but I’m thinking tens of k’s night help a lot.

Er, we haven’t seen JJ for a few years…wot’s she doing?

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:58:40
From: party_pants
ID: 1709922
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Things with more seats than the WA Liberals:

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Date: 13/03/2021 23:59:51
From: Michael V
ID: 1709923
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Neophyte said:


Michael V said:

Neophyte said:

Plus from Neddles and Neophyte

Cheers!

:)

Can you put a little money there? Anything would be good.

I have to discuss the next tranche we make with Mrs V, but I’m thinking tens of k’s night help a lot.

Er, we haven’t seen JJ for a few years…wot’s she doing?

Different JJ.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:00:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709924
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Neophyte said:

Michael V said:

Cheers!

:)

Can you put a little money there? Anything would be good.

I have to discuss the next tranche we make with Mrs V, but I’m thinking tens of k’s night help a lot.

Er, we haven’t seen JJ for a few years…wot’s she doing?

Different JJ.

oh, ah.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:01:36
From: furious
ID: 1709925
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Things with more seats than the WA Liberals:

How’s the other house?

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:01:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1709926
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Things with more seats than the WA Liberals:

LOL at the Goodies.

:)

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:02:11
From: Neophyte
ID: 1709927
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

Neophyte said:

Er, we haven’t seen JJ for a few years…wot’s she doing?

Different JJ.

oh, ah.

Oops…well, give our regards anyway :-)

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:03:16
From: party_pants
ID: 1709928
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


party_pants said:

Things with more seats than the WA Liberals:

How’s the other house?

Dunno yet.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:03:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1709929
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

Neophyte said:

Er, we haven’t seen JJ for a few years…wot’s she doing?

Different JJ.

oh, ah.

Jeanette Johnstone, A friend of ours from Brisbane.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:05:18
From: furious
ID: 1709930
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


furious said:

party_pants said:

Things with more seats than the WA Liberals:

How’s the other house?

Dunno yet.

Seriously hope Despot Mark doesn’t get free reign on the state…

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:05:50
From: Michael V
ID: 1709931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Neophyte said:


sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Different JJ.

oh, ah.

Oops…well, give our regards anyway :-)

Well, “Teacher in a Box” is a notion well worth giving to.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:07:55
From: Michael V
ID: 1709933
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


party_pants said:

furious said:

How’s the other house?

Dunno yet.

Seriously hope Despot Mark doesn’t get free reign on the state…

Ah well,

sigh.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:08:36
From: party_pants
ID: 1709934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


party_pants said:

furious said:

How’s the other house?

Dunno yet.

Seriously hope Despot Mark doesn’t get free reign on the state…

I don’t think they will.

The numbers based on the lower house vote look like it will be tight. But I reckon a lot of people will do as I did and put a different party first in the upper house, just so such a situation does not arise.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:10:01
From: dv
ID: 1709937
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Waxit will get about 1% … Antivax 1.5%

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:11:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709939
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Neophyte said:

sarahs mum said:

oh, ah.

Oops…well, give our regards anyway :-)

Well, “Teacher in a Box” is a notion well worth giving to.

https://www.teacherinabox.org.au/

https://www.facebook.com/teacherinaboxproject/

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:25:52
From: furious
ID: 1709941
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

Neophyte said:

Oops…well, give our regards anyway :-)

Well, “Teacher in a Box” is a notion well worth giving to.

https://www.teacherinabox.org.au/

https://www.facebook.com/teacherinaboxproject/

Its all well and good but when I suggested putting a teacher in a box, I got suspended…

This may not have happened…

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:36:28
From: dv
ID: 1709942
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Looks like Legalise Cannabis might get some representation in the LC at the expense of the Greens.

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:49:34
From: furious
ID: 1709943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Looks like Legalise Cannabis might get some representation in the LC at the expense of the Greens.

Never mind, its all green…

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Date: 14/03/2021 00:58:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I was asleep so I missed all the fun.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:07:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709945
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I was asleep so I missed all the fun.

Bit disappointed that they retained 2 x seats, and the Nationals x 4.

Would have been more satisfying with 0 for both.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:12:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709947
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:13:13
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1709948
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


dv said:

Looks like Legalise Cannabis might get some representation in the LC at the expense of the Greens.

Never mind, its all green…


You could harvest votes from a legalise ice party as well

Thats the beauty of democracy, its the rule by the idiot in many cases. Labor is always pushing for 16 year olds to vote – too stupid to know better.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:15:14
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1709949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

You’d see all these kids with burnt out brains from smoking too much weed at tafe – great idea.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:18:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1709950
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

I gather the guy who was leader did not retain his seat?

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:22:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709952
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

I gather the guy who was leader did not retain his seat?

Yep, he’s gone and will be leaving politics.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:23:04
From: party_pants
ID: 1709953
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

I gather the guy who was leader did not retain his seat?

Not. He looks like getting thrashed on the primary vote alone without it even going to preferences. The ALP were above 50% just on primaries alone. But they also had more than half early votes, which won’t be counted until later. But based on the votes cast in the polling booths today he is no chance, as Antony said it is hard to see the pre-poll and postal votes being radically different and able to make up that margin.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:30:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Not enough you see an election tally graph as dramatic as this.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:31:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709959
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Not enough you see an election tally graph as dramatic as this.


Not enough = not often

But yeah, not often enough :)

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:42:12
From: party_pants
ID: 1709960
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:48:43
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709961
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:51:12
From: dv
ID: 1709962
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

Note that WA Nats and WA Libs aren’t in a coalition.

Your meaning is clear enough though.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:51:29
From: party_pants
ID: 1709963
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

The WA Nationals and the WA Liberals split a few years ago. There has not been a formal Coalition in state politics for a long while. In fact they kind of hate each other now, each blame the other for Labor wining in 2017.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:52:25
From: Woodie
ID: 1709964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Doesn’t matter what the McGowan government does now, when it comes to projects in electorates. It’ll all be pork barrelling.

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:53:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709965
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

Note that WA Nats and WA Libs aren’t in a coalition.

Your meaning is clear enough though.

Ah. The Guardian needs to improve its research then:

>If the worst predictions come true for the Liberal party it could leave the National party as the senior coalition partner in WA, a never-before-seen phenomenon.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/13/western-australia-election-voters-expected-to-inflict-steep-losses-on-hapless-liberals

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Date: 14/03/2021 01:56:34
From: party_pants
ID: 1709966
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


party_pants said:

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Doesn’t matter what the McGowan government does now, when it comes to projects in electorates. It’ll all be pork barrelling.

Also, if one of the Libs or Nats is sick, will they get a pair?

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Date: 14/03/2021 02:03:16
From: dv
ID: 1709968
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

Note that WA Nats and WA Libs aren’t in a coalition.

Your meaning is clear enough though.

In the 1945 Victorian election the Country Party, as they were then known, got more seats than the Liberal party.

There might be other examples.

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Date: 14/03/2021 02:11:56
From: dv
ID: 1709969
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

Note that WA Nats and WA Libs aren’t in a coalition.

Your meaning is clear enough though.

In the 1945 Victorian election the Country Party, as they were then known, got more seats than the Liberal party.

There might be other examples.

For a little while in the 1950s, Country Party leader John McDonald was Premier of Victoria, in a coalition with Labor.

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Date: 14/03/2021 02:18:24
From: dv
ID: 1709970
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


dv said:

dv said:

Note that WA Nats and WA Libs aren’t in a coalition.

Your meaning is clear enough though.

In the 1945 Victorian election the Country Party, as they were then known, got more seats than the Liberal party.

There might be other examples.

For a little while in the 1950s, Country Party leader John McDonald was Premier of Victoria, in a coalition with Labor.

And I think those are the only examples apart from Qld and now WA where the Country or National Party has been more dominant that the Libs during the existence of the Liberal Party

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Date: 14/03/2021 02:20:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709971
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


dv said:

dv said:

Note that WA Nats and WA Libs aren’t in a coalition.

Your meaning is clear enough though.

In the 1945 Victorian election the Country Party, as they were then known, got more seats than the Liberal party.

There might be other examples.

For a little while in the 1950s, Country Party leader John McDonald was Premier of Victoria, in a coalition with Labor.

Crazy days.

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Date: 14/03/2021 02:21:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709972
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


dv said:

dv said:

In the 1945 Victorian election the Country Party, as they were then known, got more seats than the Liberal party.

There might be other examples.

For a little while in the 1950s, Country Party leader John McDonald was Premier of Victoria, in a coalition with Labor.

And I think those are the only examples apart from Qld and now WA where the Country or National Party has been more dominant that the Libs during the existence of the Liberal Party

Ta.

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Date: 14/03/2021 02:36:35
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1709973
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

Qld. Not sure today, but the Libs were very much the minor party. Nats were very demanding of them.

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Date: 14/03/2021 02:39:21
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1709974
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I live in a safe ALP state seat.

In 2017 the ALP candidate got 45% of the primary vote, and won on preferences getting 57% on TPP.

Earlier this evening, he was sitting on about 78% primary with about a third of the vote counted, with a predicted 86% on preferences.

Astonishing. I don’t think I’ve ever lived in a seat with such an overwhelming margin before.

Lots of new records being set I’d imagine.

I wonder if it’s ever been the case outside of Queensland that the Nationals became the dominant coalition partner.

Qld. Not sure today, but the Libs were very much the minor party. Nats were very demanding of them.

Sorry, misread it.

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Date: 14/03/2021 07:38:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709979
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:

Doesn’t matter what the McGowan government does now, when it comes to projects in electorates. It’ll all be pork barrelling.

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they can become quite arrogant about being in office, believing that the electorate realises that the great majority of them will be ‘worse off’ if the other mob should return to power.

They can manage to forget to a degree that there’s a world beyond the corridors of the Parliament, and devote a lot of energy to the ALP’s tradition past-time of factional infighting. The media is always ready to make that the main story of any Labor government. After a few years of that, the electorate can feel very negative about Labor when an election comes around.

With a majority like this, and with the feeling of invulnerability it can generate, WA Labor risks becoming very disconnected indeed from the electorate.

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Date: 14/03/2021 07:39:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1709980
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

For a little while in the 1950s, Country Party leader John McDonald was Premier of Victoria, in a coalition with Labor.

Crazy days.

Power, at any price.

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Date: 14/03/2021 08:02:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709983
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It is a remarkable victory for a man who, during his long five-year reign as Opposition Leader, was questioned by some of his own MPs about his capacity to even be premier with one Labor predecessor labelling Mr McGowan “as exciting as an open grave”.

makes sense, might be the important excitement during a lethal pandemic

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Date: 14/03/2021 08:04:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1709985
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


It is a remarkable victory for a man who, during his long five-year reign as Opposition Leader, was questioned by some of his own MPs about his capacity to even be premier with one Labor predecessor labelling Mr McGowan “as exciting as an open grave”.

makes sense, might be the important excitement during a lethal pandemic

Ha.

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Date: 14/03/2021 08:06:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1709986
Subject: re: Aust Politics

wookiemeister said:


furious said:

dv said:

Looks like Legalise Cannabis might get some representation in the LC at the expense of the Greens.

Never mind, its all green…


You could harvest votes from a legalise ice party as well

Thats the beauty of democracy, its the rule by the idiot in many cases. Labor is always pushing for 16 year olds to vote – too stupid to know better.

when is the assault on the Capitol, can they stop this steal

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Date: 14/03/2021 10:20:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1710040
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Quoth Kirk-up: “The next four years will be the most difficult for the Liberal party that we have ever experienced. But we must not shy away from the task ahead of us, because the people of Western Australia depend on us.”

Actually, the people of Western Australia have just kicked your arse to kingdom come, so you can dispense with the airs and graces.

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Date: 14/03/2021 10:22:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710042
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Quoth Kirk-up: “The next four years will be the most difficult for the Liberal party that we have ever experienced. But we must not shy away from the task ahead of us, because the people of Western Australia depend on us.”

Actually, the people of Western Australia have just kicked your arse to kingdom come, so you can dispense with the airs and graces.

maybe the Greens or someone sensible could become a viable political force to be reckoned with

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Date: 14/03/2021 10:43:15
From: Ian
ID: 1710054
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Bubblecar said:

Quoth Kirk-up: “The next four years will be the most difficult for the Liberal party that we have ever experienced. But we must not shy away from the task ahead of us, because the people of Western Australia depend on us.”

Actually, the people of Western Australia have just kicked your arse to kingdom come, so you can dispense with the airs and graces.

maybe the Greens or someone sensible could become a viable political force to be reckoned with

Daylight Saving Party?
Socialist Alliance?

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Date: 14/03/2021 10:45:00
From: Tamb
ID: 1710055
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Quoth Kirk-up: “The next four years will be the most difficult for the Liberal party that we have ever experienced. But we must not shy away from the task ahead of us, because the people of Western Australia depend on us.”

Actually, the people of Western Australia have just kicked your arse to kingdom come, so you can dispense with the airs and graces.

maybe the Greens or someone sensible could become a viable political force to be reckoned with

Daylight Saving Party?
Socialist Alliance?

the Greens, or someone sensible fixed

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Date: 14/03/2021 10:51:35
From: Arts
ID: 1710056
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In my local a traditionally strong liberal seat, since 1971 apart from 2 independent votes in the late 90s/early 2000s we now how a massive swing. So there we go.

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Date: 14/03/2021 10:55:55
From: Ian
ID: 1710057
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I notice The Pirate Party have abandoned ship.

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Date: 14/03/2021 11:33:54
From: dv
ID: 1710067
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 14/03/2021 11:37:03
From: dv
ID: 1710070
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


wookiemeister said:

furious said:

Never mind, its all green…


You could harvest votes from a legalise ice party as well

Thats the beauty of democracy, its the rule by the idiot in many cases. Labor is always pushing for 16 year olds to vote – too stupid to know better.

when is the assault on the Capitol, can they stop this steal

Unlike the Cwealth, WA still uses party-designated preferences above the line, which has the potential to lead to ridiculous snowballing of prefs towards unknown microparties.

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Date: 14/03/2021 11:38:49
From: dv
ID: 1710072
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

There’s a bit of a joke around complimenting the WA Libs on being the first to reach gender parity.

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Date: 14/03/2021 11:56:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1710073
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

There’s a bit of a joke around complimenting the WA Libs on being the first to reach gender parity.

:)

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Date: 14/03/2021 12:19:20
From: party_pants
ID: 1710082
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

There’s a bit of a joke around complimenting the WA Libs on being the first to reach gender parity.

But the joke fails because they lose party status.

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Date: 14/03/2021 13:25:02
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710120
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 14/03/2021 13:26:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710122
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ceduna is the only area of Indue card roll out that still has a sitting liberal member.

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Date: 14/03/2021 13:47:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710130
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Soon You’re Going To Need An UK Politics Thread Too

Violence Against Women Protesting Against Violence Against Women At Clapham Common

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/police-arrest-crowd-mourning-clapham-murder-victim-sarah-everard/13246704

As more people arrived during the evening, some chanting “sisters united will never be defeated”, police moved in and tried to disperse the crowds gathered around a bandstand.

Video footage showed scuffles and some women forced to the floor.

“It’s pretty bad really, a bunch of mostly male officers looking at a crowd of women from the centre of the bandstand,” said Laura, 24, who did not want to give her full name for fear of reprisals.

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Date: 14/03/2021 13:54:27
From: party_pants
ID: 1710136
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Soon You’re Going To Need An UK Politics Thread Too

Violence Against Women Protesting Against Violence Against Women At Clapham Common

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/police-arrest-crowd-mourning-clapham-murder-victim-sarah-everard/13246704

As more people arrived during the evening, some chanting “sisters united will never be defeated”, police moved in and tried to disperse the crowds gathered around a bandstand.

Video footage showed scuffles and some women forced to the floor.

“It’s pretty bad really, a bunch of mostly male officers looking at a crowd of women from the centre of the bandstand,” said Laura, 24, who did not want to give her full name for fear of reprisals.

This one could get a bit … interesting. They arrested and charged a police officer with the murder of that woman who disappeared. So public confidence in the police, especially from women, starts from a very low base.

it remains to be seen how a government made up almost of entirely of privileged white men educated in the most exclusive boys-only dickhead factories can handle the subleties and nuance of this situation.

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Date: 14/03/2021 13:56:07
From: dv
ID: 1710137
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

The two remaining Liberal members might bicker over who becomes leader, with one splitting off to form their own party.

There’s a bit of a joke around complimenting the WA Libs on being the first to reach gender parity.

But the joke fails because they lose party status.

lol

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Date: 14/03/2021 14:50:45
From: Kingy
ID: 1710146
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

Doesn’t matter what the McGowan government does now, when it comes to projects in electorates. It’ll all be pork barrelling.

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they can become quite arrogant about being in office, believing that the electorate realises that the great majority of them will be ‘worse off’ if the other mob should return to power.

They can manage to forget to a degree that there’s a world beyond the corridors of the Parliament, and devote a lot of energy to the ALP’s tradition past-time of factional infighting. The media is always ready to make that the main story of any Labor government. After a few years of that, the electorate can feel very negative about Labor when an election comes around.

With a majority like this, and with the feeling of invulnerability it can generate, WA Labor risks becoming very disconnected indeed from the electorate.

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they usually pull funding from country areas to spend in the cities where all the votes are. This is the main reason that rural areas tend to vote for anyone but Labor. It was obvious when they cancelled the local rural airport upgrade mid-build, cancelled the local highway(the most dangerous in WA) duplication in favour of a new one near Perth, and cancelled the new Government building in Bunbury shortly after getting elected. This has been standard procedure since at least the 70’s when I first started taking notice. If they decided to spend more time and money in the farming electorates, they would do better there. Last time, they were voted in by default because how could you do worse than Barney Rubble and his flying circus? This time, most people have been pleasantly surprised by WA Labors ability to balance a budget for the first time in living memory, and to handle a major medical epidemic. However, ambulance ramping is at an all time high already, even without Covid, so that is still a problem.

It remains to be seen how unfettered power and overconfidence will play out over the next few years, I’m not expecting much regional funding. Hopefully a new opposition/alternative will arise instead of the old boys club.

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Date: 14/03/2021 15:11:30
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710150
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Doesn’t matter what the McGowan government does now, when it comes to projects in electorates. It’ll all be pork barrelling.

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they can become quite arrogant about being in office, believing that the electorate realises that the great majority of them will be ‘worse off’ if the other mob should return to power.

They can manage to forget to a degree that there’s a world beyond the corridors of the Parliament, and devote a lot of energy to the ALP’s tradition past-time of factional infighting. The media is always ready to make that the main story of any Labor government. After a few years of that, the electorate can feel very negative about Labor when an election comes around.

With a majority like this, and with the feeling of invulnerability it can generate, WA Labor risks becoming very disconnected indeed from the electorate.

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they usually pull funding from country areas to spend in the cities where all the votes are. This is the main reason that rural areas tend to vote for anyone but Labor. It was obvious when they cancelled the local rural airport upgrade mid-build, cancelled the local highway(the most dangerous in WA) duplication in favour of a new one near Perth, and cancelled the new Government building in Bunbury shortly after getting elected. This has been standard procedure since at least the 70’s when I first started taking notice. If they decided to spend more time and money in the farming electorates, they would do better there. Last time, they were voted in by default because how could you do worse than Barney Rubble and his flying circus? This time, most people have been pleasantly surprised by WA Labors ability to balance a budget for the first time in living memory, and to handle a major medical epidemic. However, ambulance ramping is at an all time high already, even without Covid, so that is still a problem.

It remains to be seen how unfettered power and overconfidence will play out over the next few years, I’m not expecting much regional funding. Hopefully a new opposition/alternative will arise instead of the old boys club.

major upgrade on the Bussell Hwy. kilometres of roadworks.

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Date: 14/03/2021 15:31:48
From: Kingy
ID: 1710153
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they can become quite arrogant about being in office, believing that the electorate realises that the great majority of them will be ‘worse off’ if the other mob should return to power.

They can manage to forget to a degree that there’s a world beyond the corridors of the Parliament, and devote a lot of energy to the ALP’s tradition past-time of factional infighting. The media is always ready to make that the main story of any Labor government. After a few years of that, the electorate can feel very negative about Labor when an election comes around.

With a majority like this, and with the feeling of invulnerability it can generate, WA Labor risks becoming very disconnected indeed from the electorate.

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they usually pull funding from country areas to spend in the cities where all the votes are. This is the main reason that rural areas tend to vote for anyone but Labor. It was obvious when they cancelled the local rural airport upgrade mid-build, cancelled the local highway(the most dangerous in WA) duplication in favour of a new one near Perth, and cancelled the new Government building in Bunbury shortly after getting elected. This has been standard procedure since at least the 70’s when I first started taking notice. If they decided to spend more time and money in the farming electorates, they would do better there. Last time, they were voted in by default because how could you do worse than Barney Rubble and his flying circus? This time, most people have been pleasantly surprised by WA Labors ability to balance a budget for the first time in living memory, and to handle a major medical epidemic. However, ambulance ramping is at an all time high already, even without Covid, so that is still a problem.

It remains to be seen how unfettered power and overconfidence will play out over the next few years, I’m not expecting much regional funding. Hopefully a new opposition/alternative will arise instead of the old boys club.

major upgrade on the Bussell Hwy. kilometres of roadworks.

The jointly funded package is supported by investments from the Commonwealth ($176 million) and WA Government ($47 million).

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Date: 14/03/2021 15:34:36
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710154
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kingy said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Kingy said:

One of the problems with Labor governments is that they usually pull funding from country areas to spend in the cities where all the votes are. This is the main reason that rural areas tend to vote for anyone but Labor. It was obvious when they cancelled the local rural airport upgrade mid-build, cancelled the local highway(the most dangerous in WA) duplication in favour of a new one near Perth, and cancelled the new Government building in Bunbury shortly after getting elected. This has been standard procedure since at least the 70’s when I first started taking notice. If they decided to spend more time and money in the farming electorates, they would do better there. Last time, they were voted in by default because how could you do worse than Barney Rubble and his flying circus? This time, most people have been pleasantly surprised by WA Labors ability to balance a budget for the first time in living memory, and to handle a major medical epidemic. However, ambulance ramping is at an all time high already, even without Covid, so that is still a problem.

It remains to be seen how unfettered power and overconfidence will play out over the next few years, I’m not expecting much regional funding. Hopefully a new opposition/alternative will arise instead of the old boys club.

major upgrade on the Bussell Hwy. kilometres of roadworks.

The jointly funded package is supported by investments from the Commonwealth ($176 million) and WA Government ($47 million).

which is usually the case. always see the feds stating their input on road signs. the roadworks have been ongoing on and off for a few years now.

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Date: 14/03/2021 17:35:10
From: dv
ID: 1710206
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Western Australia remains the only state in Australia to have serious malapportionment in its electoral system.

In the Legislative Assembly, the Mining and Pastoral area districts typically have on average 16000 electors per seat, whereas the metropolitan districts on average have 29000. In the extremes, the Perth, Jandakot, Baldivis districts have 32000 electors, while North West Central has about 11000. The South West averages around 30000, and Agricultural around 27000, so basically in the same realm as the Metro. It’s really only Mining and Pastoral that get a favour in the Legislative Assembly.

As much as this is a problem in principle, as it means some folks’ votes are worth double others’, it hasn’t really caused too much trouble because Labor and the conservative parties have been competitive in both metropolitan and Mining and Pastoral districts. NWC was Labor up til 2009 and looks it it will be again: indeed, it appears that all of the Mining and Pastoral districts will be painted red now, though of course this is a somewhat unusual election result. There are, after all, only four districts in the M&P region.

The much graver malapportionment is in the upper house, the Legislative Council. Each of the six regions gets six Legislative Council members. The three Metro regions have around 420000 to 450000 electors each. The South West has 240000 electors, the Agricultural region has 100000 electors, and the Mining and Pastoral around 70000. Altogether the rural/regional areas have about 3 times as much per capita representation in the upper house as the areas in Perth: in particular the M&P district’s electors are six times better represented than Perth people. This begins to add up. The 1.3 million electors in Perth have as much representation as the circa 400000 electors outside of Perth, and it makes it very difficult for Labor to get control of the upper house even with overwhelming support. At the last election for instance, despite Labor getting 55.5% in the 2PP, Labor plus Greens still didn’t end up with a majority of the LC.

Now that they Labor does have control of both houses, the opportunity to end the malapportionment arises. However, a case can be made that it would be bad politics to punish the rural and regional zones that just flipped to Labor by taking away their extra seats in the Legislative Assembly: they already feel that their districts are unwieldy and make it hard for their members to properly represent them.

On the other hand, people’s attachment to Legislative Council members seems to be less direct. Perhaps some methodology can be concocted that still allows the Mining and Pastoral region to keep four members in the LA (rather than the fair number which would be two), but still overcomes the huge gulf in representation in the LC.

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Date: 14/03/2021 17:43:08
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1710210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Western Australia remains the only state in Australia to have serious malapportionment in its electoral system.

In the Legislative Assembly, the Mining and Pastoral area districts typically have on average 16000 electors per seat, whereas the metropolitan districts on average have 29000. In the extremes, the Perth, Jandakot, Baldivis districts have 32000 electors, while North West Central has about 11000. The South West averages around 30000, and Agricultural around 27000, so basically in the same realm as the Metro. It’s really only Mining and Pastoral that get a favour in the Legislative Assembly.

As much as this is a problem in principle, as it means some folks’ votes are worth double others’, it hasn’t really caused too much trouble because Labor and the conservative parties have been competitive in both metropolitan and Mining and Pastoral districts. NWC was Labor up til 2009 and looks it it will be again: indeed, it appears that all of the Mining and Pastoral districts will be painted red now, though of course this is a somewhat unusual election result. There are, after all, only four districts in the M&P region.

The much graver malapportionment is in the upper house, the Legislative Council. Each of the six regions gets six Legislative Council members. The three Metro regions have around 420000 to 450000 electors each. The South West has 240000 electors, the Agricultural region has 100000 electors, and the Mining and Pastoral around 70000. Altogether the rural/regional areas have about 3 times as much per capita representation in the upper house as the areas in Perth: in particular the M&P district’s electors are six times better represented than Perth people. This begins to add up. The 1.3 million electors in Perth have as much representation as the circa 400000 electors outside of Perth, and it makes it very difficult for Labor to get control of the upper house even with overwhelming support. At the last election for instance, despite Labor getting 55.5% in the 2PP, Labor plus Greens still didn’t end up with a majority of the LC.

Now that they Labor does have control of both houses, the opportunity to end the malapportionment arises. However, a case can be made that it would be bad politics to punish the rural and regional zones that just flipped to Labor by taking away their extra seats in the Legislative Assembly: they already feel that their districts are unwieldy and make it hard for their members to properly represent them.

On the other hand, people’s attachment to Legislative Council members seems to be less direct. Perhaps some methodology can be concocted that still allows the Mining and Pastoral region to keep four members in the LA (rather than the fair number which would be two), but still overcomes the huge gulf in representation in the LC.

Victoria’s Upper House was reformed when Steve Brack’s government actually won the thing in 2003:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_Legislative_Council#2003_reforms

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Date: 14/03/2021 17:49:03
From: party_pants
ID: 1710213
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Western Australia remains the only state in Australia to have serious malapportionment in its electoral system.

In the Legislative Assembly, the Mining and Pastoral area districts typically have on average 16000 electors per seat, whereas the metropolitan districts on average have 29000. In the extremes, the Perth, Jandakot, Baldivis districts have 32000 electors, while North West Central has about 11000. The South West averages around 30000, and Agricultural around 27000, so basically in the same realm as the Metro. It’s really only Mining and Pastoral that get a favour in the Legislative Assembly.

As much as this is a problem in principle, as it means some folks’ votes are worth double others’, it hasn’t really caused too much trouble because Labor and the conservative parties have been competitive in both metropolitan and Mining and Pastoral districts. NWC was Labor up til 2009 and looks it it will be again: indeed, it appears that all of the Mining and Pastoral districts will be painted red now, though of course this is a somewhat unusual election result. There are, after all, only four districts in the M&P region.

The much graver malapportionment is in the upper house, the Legislative Council. Each of the six regions gets six Legislative Council members. The three Metro regions have around 420000 to 450000 electors each. The South West has 240000 electors, the Agricultural region has 100000 electors, and the Mining and Pastoral around 70000. Altogether the rural/regional areas have about 3 times as much per capita representation in the upper house as the areas in Perth: in particular the M&P district’s electors are six times better represented than Perth people. This begins to add up. The 1.3 million electors in Perth have as much representation as the circa 400000 electors outside of Perth, and it makes it very difficult for Labor to get control of the upper house even with overwhelming support. At the last election for instance, despite Labor getting 55.5% in the 2PP, Labor plus Greens still didn’t end up with a majority of the LC.

Now that they Labor does have control of both houses, the opportunity to end the malapportionment arises. However, a case can be made that it would be bad politics to punish the rural and regional zones that just flipped to Labor by taking away their extra seats in the Legislative Assembly: they already feel that their districts are unwieldy and make it hard for their members to properly represent them.

On the other hand, people’s attachment to Legislative Council members seems to be less direct. Perhaps some methodology can be concocted that still allows the Mining and Pastoral region to keep four members in the LA (rather than the fair number which would be two), but still overcomes the huge gulf in representation in the LC.

One proposal I have seen at another place is to replace the 6 × 6 system in the Legislative Council with a 5 × 7 system. 5 districts returning 7 members each. 3 of them in the city and 2 in the regions. Basically merging Ag and M & P. Saves on one MPs salary, and solves the problem of an even number of seats in that house. Reduces rather than removes the disproportionate weighting of metro vs regions.

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Date: 14/03/2021 17:53:15
From: sibeen
ID: 1710216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Western Australia remains the only state in Australia to have serious malapportionment in its electoral system.

In the Legislative Assembly, the Mining and Pastoral area districts typically have on average 16000 electors per seat, whereas the metropolitan districts on average have 29000. In the extremes, the Perth, Jandakot, Baldivis districts have 32000 electors, while North West Central has about 11000. The South West averages around 30000, and Agricultural around 27000, so basically in the same realm as the Metro. It’s really only Mining and Pastoral that get a favour in the Legislative Assembly.

As much as this is a problem in principle, as it means some folks’ votes are worth double others’, it hasn’t really caused too much trouble because Labor and the conservative parties have been competitive in both metropolitan and Mining and Pastoral districts. NWC was Labor up til 2009 and looks it it will be again: indeed, it appears that all of the Mining and Pastoral districts will be painted red now, though of course this is a somewhat unusual election result. There are, after all, only four districts in the M&P region.

The much graver malapportionment is in the upper house, the Legislative Council. Each of the six regions gets six Legislative Council members. The three Metro regions have around 420000 to 450000 electors each. The South West has 240000 electors, the Agricultural region has 100000 electors, and the Mining and Pastoral around 70000. Altogether the rural/regional areas have about 3 times as much per capita representation in the upper house as the areas in Perth: in particular the M&P district’s electors are six times better represented than Perth people. This begins to add up. The 1.3 million electors in Perth have as much representation as the circa 400000 electors outside of Perth, and it makes it very difficult for Labor to get control of the upper house even with overwhelming support. At the last election for instance, despite Labor getting 55.5% in the 2PP, Labor plus Greens still didn’t end up with a majority of the LC.

Now that they Labor does have control of both houses, the opportunity to end the malapportionment arises. However, a case can be made that it would be bad politics to punish the rural and regional zones that just flipped to Labor by taking away their extra seats in the Legislative Assembly: they already feel that their districts are unwieldy and make it hard for their members to properly represent them.

On the other hand, people’s attachment to Legislative Council members seems to be less direct. Perhaps some methodology can be concocted that still allows the Mining and Pastoral region to keep four members in the LA (rather than the fair number which would be two), but still overcomes the huge gulf in representation in the LC.

One proposal I have seen at another place is to replace the 6 × 6 system in the Legislative Council with a 5 × 7 system. 5 districts returning 7 members each. 3 of them in the city and 2 in the regions. Basically merging Ag and M & P. Saves on one MPs salary, and solves the problem of an even number of seats in that house. Reduces rather than removes the disproportionate weighting of metro vs regions.

Antony was having a go at it last night and also complained that they have an even number.

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Date: 14/03/2021 17:55:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1710217
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Western Australia remains the only state in Australia to have serious malapportionment in its electoral system.

In the Legislative Assembly, the Mining and Pastoral area districts typically have on average 16000 electors per seat, whereas the metropolitan districts on average have 29000. In the extremes, the Perth, Jandakot, Baldivis districts have 32000 electors, while North West Central has about 11000. The South West averages around 30000, and Agricultural around 27000, so basically in the same realm as the Metro. It’s really only Mining and Pastoral that get a favour in the Legislative Assembly.

As much as this is a problem in principle, as it means some folks’ votes are worth double others’, it hasn’t really caused too much trouble because Labor and the conservative parties have been competitive in both metropolitan and Mining and Pastoral districts. NWC was Labor up til 2009 and looks it it will be again: indeed, it appears that all of the Mining and Pastoral districts will be painted red now, though of course this is a somewhat unusual election result. There are, after all, only four districts in the M&P region.

The much graver malapportionment is in the upper house, the Legislative Council. Each of the six regions gets six Legislative Council members. The three Metro regions have around 420000 to 450000 electors each. The South West has 240000 electors, the Agricultural region has 100000 electors, and the Mining and Pastoral around 70000. Altogether the rural/regional areas have about 3 times as much per capita representation in the upper house as the areas in Perth: in particular the M&P district’s electors are six times better represented than Perth people. This begins to add up. The 1.3 million electors in Perth have as much representation as the circa 400000 electors outside of Perth, and it makes it very difficult for Labor to get control of the upper house even with overwhelming support. At the last election for instance, despite Labor getting 55.5% in the 2PP, Labor plus Greens still didn’t end up with a majority of the LC.

Now that they Labor does have control of both houses, the opportunity to end the malapportionment arises. However, a case can be made that it would be bad politics to punish the rural and regional zones that just flipped to Labor by taking away their extra seats in the Legislative Assembly: they already feel that their districts are unwieldy and make it hard for their members to properly represent them.

On the other hand, people’s attachment to Legislative Council members seems to be less direct. Perhaps some methodology can be concocted that still allows the Mining and Pastoral region to keep four members in the LA (rather than the fair number which would be two), but still overcomes the huge gulf in representation in the LC.

One proposal I have seen at another place is to replace the 6 × 6 system in the Legislative Council with a 5 × 7 system. 5 districts returning 7 members each. 3 of them in the city and 2 in the regions. Basically merging Ag and M & P. Saves on one MPs salary, and solves the problem of an even number of seats in that house. Reduces rather than removes the disproportionate weighting of metro vs regions.

Antony was having a go at it last night and also complained that they have an even number.

Yeah, that’s what I had in mind with that comment.

We also need a simpler voting system so people don’t have to count all the way up to 64.

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Date: 14/03/2021 17:57:03
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1710219
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

One proposal I have seen at another place is to replace the 6 × 6 system in the Legislative Council with a 5 × 7 system. 5 districts returning 7 members each. 3 of them in the city and 2 in the regions. Basically merging Ag and M & P. Saves on one MPs salary, and solves the problem of an even number of seats in that house. Reduces rather than removes the disproportionate weighting of metro vs regions.

Antony was having a go at it last night and also complained that they have an even number.

Yeah, that’s what I had in mind with that comment.

We also need a simpler voting system so people don’t have to count all the way up to 64.

:)

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Date: 14/03/2021 18:09:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1710221
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PermeateFree said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Antony was having a go at it last night and also complained that they have an even number.

Yeah, that’s what I had in mind with that comment.

We also need a simpler voting system so people don’t have to count all the way up to 64.

:)

“saves 1 member’s salary”

Whoopy doo.

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Date: 14/03/2021 18:09:22
From: dv
ID: 1710223
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Western Australia remains the only state in Australia to have serious malapportionment in its electoral system.

In the Legislative Assembly, the Mining and Pastoral area districts typically have on average 16000 electors per seat, whereas the metropolitan districts on average have 29000. In the extremes, the Perth, Jandakot, Baldivis districts have 32000 electors, while North West Central has about 11000. The South West averages around 30000, and Agricultural around 27000, so basically in the same realm as the Metro. It’s really only Mining and Pastoral that get a favour in the Legislative Assembly.

As much as this is a problem in principle, as it means some folks’ votes are worth double others’, it hasn’t really caused too much trouble because Labor and the conservative parties have been competitive in both metropolitan and Mining and Pastoral districts. NWC was Labor up til 2009 and looks it it will be again: indeed, it appears that all of the Mining and Pastoral districts will be painted red now, though of course this is a somewhat unusual election result. There are, after all, only four districts in the M&P region.

The much graver malapportionment is in the upper house, the Legislative Council. Each of the six regions gets six Legislative Council members. The three Metro regions have around 420000 to 450000 electors each. The South West has 240000 electors, the Agricultural region has 100000 electors, and the Mining and Pastoral around 70000. Altogether the rural/regional areas have about 3 times as much per capita representation in the upper house as the areas in Perth: in particular the M&P district’s electors are six times better represented than Perth people. This begins to add up. The 1.3 million electors in Perth have as much representation as the circa 400000 electors outside of Perth, and it makes it very difficult for Labor to get control of the upper house even with overwhelming support. At the last election for instance, despite Labor getting 55.5% in the 2PP, Labor plus Greens still didn’t end up with a majority of the LC.

Now that they Labor does have control of both houses, the opportunity to end the malapportionment arises. However, a case can be made that it would be bad politics to punish the rural and regional zones that just flipped to Labor by taking away their extra seats in the Legislative Assembly: they already feel that their districts are unwieldy and make it hard for their members to properly represent them.

On the other hand, people’s attachment to Legislative Council members seems to be less direct. Perhaps some methodology can be concocted that still allows the Mining and Pastoral region to keep four members in the LA (rather than the fair number which would be two), but still overcomes the huge gulf in representation in the LC.

One proposal I have seen at another place is to replace the 6 × 6 system in the Legislative Council with a 5 × 7 system. 5 districts returning 7 members each. 3 of them in the city and 2 in the regions. Basically merging Ag and M & P. Saves on one MPs salary, and solves the problem of an even number of seats in that house. Reduces rather than removes the disproportionate weighting of metro vs regions.

Noice

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Date: 14/03/2021 18:26:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 14/03/2021 18:29:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1710230
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:



Perhaps he’d like to concede now for a Labor win in the next election?

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Date: 14/03/2021 18:38:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1710237
Subject: re: Aust Politics

WA Liberals’ new party anthem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjiOtouyBOg

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:07:05
From: kryten
ID: 1710252
Subject: re: Aust Politics

With respect to the WA election result…Porter and Reynolds are WA too, aren’t they? There may have been some federal effects.

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:10:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

kryten said:


With respect to the WA election result…Porter and Reynolds are WA too, aren’t they? There may have been some federal effects.

On the other hand Porter and Reynolds could have affected the state election.

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:24:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710263
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


kryten said:

With respect to the WA election result…Porter and Reynolds are WA too, aren’t they? There may have been some federal effects.

On the other hand Porter and Reynolds could have affected the state election.

we’d prefer if they saved it up for federal to be honest

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:26:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1710264
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


kryten said:

With respect to the WA election result…Porter and Reynolds are WA too, aren’t they? There may have been some federal effects.

On the other hand Porter and Reynolds could have affected the state election.

Now that the boyfriend has spoken about recalling events, its paints Porter in even darker light.

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:31:52
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1710266
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Is the West Australian a satire site?

https://thewest.com.au/politics/state-election-2021/wa-election-2021-scott-morrison-takes-credit-for-labor-win-ng-b881820756z

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:34:58
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710267
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Is the West Australian a satire site?

https://thewest.com.au/politics/state-election-2021/wa-election-2021-scott-morrison-takes-credit-for-labor-win-ng-b881820756z

paywalled. c&p it here?

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:36:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1710268
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Is the West Australian a satire site?

https://thewest.com.au/politics/state-election-2021/wa-election-2021-scott-morrison-takes-credit-for-labor-win-ng-b881820756z

I’m surprised that he was at all aware that an election was taking place – so much seems to just pass him by.

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:42:25
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1710270
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:44:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710271
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

behind mark? he was behind palmer wasn’t he?

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:45:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1710272
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

The ALP should now announce that Sooty is right, the win was really all due to him, and that Sooty has been given an honorary and lifetime membership of the ALP as a gesture of thanks.

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Date: 14/03/2021 19:56:24
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1710273
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Divine Angel said:

Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

behind mark? he was behind palmer wasn’t he?

I wouldn’t stand anywhere near him. Bad idea. Need to be a thousand Km away. At least.

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Date: 14/03/2021 20:12:25
From: Arts
ID: 1710274
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The West Australian is the only newspaper left now… it has proudly taken over the Daily News for content which was mostly filler and shock… The West Australian has upheld this proud tradition.

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Date: 14/03/2021 20:16:05
From: Ian
ID: 1710276
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Divine Angel said:

Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

The ALP should now announce that Sooty is right, the win was really all due to him, and that Sooty has been given an honorary and lifetime membership of the ALP as a gesture of thanks.

Ahh, the big fella done good then..

..and he can hold a nose if not a hose.

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Date: 14/03/2021 20:18:10
From: buffy
ID: 1710277
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/tony-piccolo-heart-attack-during-parkrun/13247308

Something is happening to our politicians.

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Date: 14/03/2021 20:46:37
From: dv
ID: 1710296
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 14/03/2021 20:47:49
From: party_pants
ID: 1710297
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Good one :)

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Date: 14/03/2021 20:48:15
From: dv
ID: 1710298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Is the West Australian a satire site?

https://thewest.com.au/politics/state-election-2021/wa-election-2021-scott-morrison-takes-credit-for-labor-win-ng-b881820756z

It’s just that Morrison is a satire PM

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Date: 14/03/2021 20:55:25
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Divine Angel said:

Is the West Australian a satire site?

https://thewest.com.au/politics/state-election-2021/wa-election-2021-scott-morrison-takes-credit-for-labor-win-ng-b881820756z

It’s just that Morrison is a satire PM

https://twitter.com/the_russell/status/1370159611232317441

“I’ve been misunderstood. What I said was; and I want to be clear about this, I said we would only get the first dose of the vaccine administered by October.” – Morrison

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Date: 14/03/2021 21:09:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1710304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

Scotty is right, he played a huge part in getting McGowan re-elected… but not for the reason he thinks.

It has nothing to do with Jobkeeper, and everything to do with border closures. Scotty positioned himself as a critic of the border restrictions that McGowan imposed. Never underestimate the power of parochialism in Australian state/federal relations, if the Federal government and the state government are at loggerheads over something a lot of people will just naturally fall in behind the state over the feds.

Given the spectacular success of the border closures, against vocal opposition from the federal government, McGowan got a huge boost in popularity. It was by speaking out against it that Scotty contributed most to McGowan’s win.

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Date: 14/03/2021 21:16:53
From: dv
ID: 1710308
Subject: re: Aust Politics

One of the candidates was called Ian ‘t Hart.

Just so people know he isn’t Ia Hart.

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Date: 14/03/2021 21:36:18
From: dv
ID: 1710310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Worth pointing out that the Libs will still have a significant presence in the Upper House, perhaps 6 or 7 members.

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Date: 14/03/2021 21:39:07
From: party_pants
ID: 1710311
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Worth pointing out that the Libs will still have a significant presence in the Upper House, perhaps 6 or 7 members.

Which will be strongly biased toward the evangelicals faction like Nick Goiran and his ilk.

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Date: 14/03/2021 21:42:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1710312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Worth pointing out that the Libs will still have a significant presence in the Upper House, perhaps 6 or 7 members.

Gee Skippy. only 6 members left, they might as well forget about it become Tony Abbott followers.

Skippy noises.

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Date: 14/03/2021 21:45:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1710313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

Worth pointing out that the Libs will still have a significant presence in the Upper House, perhaps 6 or 7 members.

Gee Skippy. only 6 members left, they might as well forget about it become Tony Abbott followers.

Skippy noises.

I dislike religious factions. throws rock at water, watches it bounce a few times.

You try it Skippy.

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Date: 14/03/2021 22:19:34
From: dv
ID: 1710318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Poll Bludger

Newspoll: 52-48 to Labor

First a state election rout in WA, now a soft result for the Coalition federally from Newspoll.

As reported by The Australian, Newspoll caps a sobering weekend for the Coalition by giving Labor its best result for the term, recording a 52-48 lead compared with 50-50 three weeks ago. The Coalition is down three on the primary vote to 39% with Labor up two to 39%, the Greens steady on 10% and One Nation on 3%. Scott Morrison’s leadership ratings are nonetheless largely unscathed, his approval down two to 62% and disapproval up two to 34%. However, but Anthony Albanese’s are considerably improved, with approval up four to 42% and disapproval down four to 41%, and he has narrowed the gap on preferred prime minister from 61-26 to 56-30. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1521.

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Date: 14/03/2021 22:22:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1710319
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Poll Bludger

Newspoll: 52-48 to Labor

First a state election rout in WA, now a soft result for the Coalition federally from Newspoll.

As reported by The Australian, Newspoll caps a sobering weekend for the Coalition by giving Labor its best result for the term, recording a 52-48 lead compared with 50-50 three weeks ago. The Coalition is down three on the primary vote to 39% with Labor up two to 39%, the Greens steady on 10% and One Nation on 3%. Scott Morrison’s leadership ratings are nonetheless largely unscathed, his approval down two to 62% and disapproval up two to 34%. However, but Anthony Albanese’s are considerably improved, with approval up four to 42% and disapproval down four to 41%, and he has narrowed the gap on preferred prime minister from 61-26 to 56-30. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1521.

I’m actually surprised that whatshisname has a disapproval rating.

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Date: 14/03/2021 22:32:03
From: transition
ID: 1710320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Divine Angel said:

Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

Scotty is right, he played a huge part in getting McGowan re-elected… but not for the reason he thinks.

It has nothing to do with Jobkeeper, and everything to do with border closures. Scotty positioned himself as a critic of the border restrictions that McGowan imposed. Never underestimate the power of parochialism in Australian state/federal relations, if the Federal government and the state government are at loggerheads over something a lot of people will just naturally fall in behind the state over the feds.

Given the spectacular success of the border closures, against vocal opposition from the federal government, McGowan got a huge boost in popularity. It was by speaking out against it that Scotty contributed most to McGowan’s win.

I don’t follow politics much or comment, but would say your guy there not only expresses practicalness, he conveys it too, it’s very difficult to watch and hear him for more than five seconds and not have ones own practical resolve raised

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Date: 14/03/2021 22:35:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710321
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Divine Angel said:

Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

Scotty is right, he played a huge part in getting McGowan re-elected… but not for the reason he thinks.

It has nothing to do with Jobkeeper, and everything to do with border closures. Scotty positioned himself as a critic of the border restrictions that McGowan imposed. Never underestimate the power of parochialism in Australian state/federal relations, if the Federal government and the state government are at loggerheads over something a lot of people will just naturally fall in behind the state over the feds.

Given the spectacular success of the border closures, against vocal opposition from the federal government, McGowan got a huge boost in popularity. It was by speaking out against it that Scotty contributed most to McGowan’s win.

well it must make the finger pointing super easy then videre licet https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/wa-liberal-party-blame-starts-as-party-takes-stock-of-election/13245658 (Liberal MPs lash out as party takes stock), obviously they should just blame Marketing

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Date: 14/03/2021 22:40:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710323
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Divine Angel said:

Paywalled for me too, the URL says it all. From what I can gather (comments on social media), Scotty is saying that because he bankrolled JobSeeker etc during pandemic and “was behind Mark” all the way through, this win is really a win for Scotty.

behind mark? he was behind palmer wasn’t he?

I wouldn’t stand anywhere near him. Bad idea. Need to be a thousand Km away. At least.


no thanks

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Date: 15/03/2021 10:59:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710394
Subject: re: Aust Politics

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:10:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710398
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case



Presumably he’s also innocent of all the others as well.

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:35:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710402
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case



Presumably he’s also innocent of all the others as well.

we mean the ABC, they’re entitled to be considered innocent without investigation and by the time any case gets off the ground hopefully the complainant won’t be in the vulnerable position he’s in any more so there’s no point proceeding with any case is there

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:39:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710407
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case



Presumably he’s also innocent of all the others as well.

we mean the ABC, they’re entitled to be considered innocent without investigation and by the time any case gets off the ground hopefully the complainant won’t be in the vulnerable position he’s in any more so there’s no point proceeding with any case is there

Yes of course.

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:39:49
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:44:46
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

which on reflection is going to be interesting given that there is no way to test if the claims are true, or not.. so I suspect it hinges the aspect of harm to professional reputation, which is has pretty clearly happened so is that probably going to come down to if it’s seen as the fault of the original story, or not..

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:46:29
From: dv
ID: 1710412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

Idk man, was his reputation good beforehand?

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:46:48
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1710413
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

Haven’t seen the article but suing the ABC is like suing the tax payers or suing the Treasurer.

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:48:21
From: dv
ID: 1710414
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

which on reflection is going to be interesting given that there is no way to test if the claims are true, or not.. so I suspect it hinges the aspect of harm to professional reputation, which is has pretty clearly happened so is that probably going to come down to if it’s seen as the fault of the original story, or not..

I mean…

Journalists doing journalism right will quite often harm a person’s reputation.

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:49:14
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710415
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

Idk man, was his reputation good beforehand?

well.. it was better

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:49:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1710416
Subject: re: Aust Politics

He’s damaging his reputation even further by seeking to sue them.

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:51:00
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710417
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

which on reflection is going to be interesting given that there is no way to test if the claims are true, or not.. so I suspect it hinges the aspect of harm to professional reputation, which is has pretty clearly happened so is that probably going to come down to if it’s seen as the fault of the original story, or not..

I mean…

Journalists doing journalism right will quite often harm a person’s reputation.

yep.. I think the point will be if the intent was vexatious or deliberately aimed at smearing him as an individual

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:52:46
From: Michael V
ID: 1710418
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Attorney-General Christian Porter has launched defamation action against the ABC and journalist Louise Milligan.

The proceedings relate to an article that reported a letter had been sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison containing serious allegations against a serving Cabinet minister.

Mr Porter’s lawyers said the article made false allegations against him.

While the article did not name Mr Porter, his lawyers argue he was easily identifiable to many as the subject of the allegations.

His lawyers said the Attorney-General had been subject to a “trial by media”, which they said should now end with these proceedings.

They said Mr Porter would use the opportunity to give evidence under oath.

More to come.
——————————————————————————————————————————————
He wasn’t named…
——————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/abc-christian-porter-sued-allegations-defamation/13248408

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Date: 15/03/2021 11:53:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710419
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

diddly-squat said:

which on reflection is going to be interesting given that there is no way to test if the claims are true, or not.. so I suspect it hinges the aspect of harm to professional reputation, which is has pretty clearly happened so is that probably going to come down to if it’s seen as the fault of the original story, or not..

I mean…

Journalists doing journalism right will quite often harm a person’s reputation.

yep.. I think the point will be if the intent was vexatious or deliberately aimed at smearing him as an individual

Well why isn’t he suing them for the four corners report?
He’s smeared himself plenty times.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:06:03
From: Ian
ID: 1710420
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

Idk man, was his reputation good beforehand?

Not really, not after last year’s 4 corners.

The ABC has been going hard after Porter, and it knows the consequences of an adverse finding. Makes me think they know they’re on pretty firm ground.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:15:27
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710427
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


dv said:

diddly-squat said:

In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

Idk man, was his reputation good beforehand?

Not really, not after last year’s 4 corners.

The ABC has been going hard after Porter, and it knows the consequences of an adverse finding. Makes me think they know they’re on pretty firm ground.

I tend to agree.. I think that the editors and their lawyers would have thought long and hard about this story before printing it.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:15:38
From: Tamb
ID: 1710428
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


dv said:

diddly-squat said:

In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

Idk man, was his reputation good beforehand?

Not really, not after last year’s 4 corners.

The ABC has been going hard after Porter, and it knows the consequences of an adverse finding. Makes me think they know they’re on pretty firm ground.


With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:16:01
From: party_pants
ID: 1710430
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

The ABC could argue justification. That the material they published is true on the balance of probabilities. Much lower standard than guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If they go that line then all the allegations get aired publicly in court. He could do his professional reputation no end of harm if he pushes this too hard.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:18:17
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Ian said:

dv said:

Idk man, was his reputation good beforehand?

Not really, not after last year’s 4 corners.

The ABC has been going hard after Porter, and it knows the consequences of an adverse finding. Makes me think they know they’re on pretty firm ground.


With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:20:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710434
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


Tamb said:

Ian said:

Not really, not after last year’s 4 corners.

The ABC has been going hard after Porter, and it knows the consequences of an adverse finding. Makes me think they know they’re on pretty firm ground.


With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

It is the news you can trust a little more than all the others.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:21:43
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710436
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case


In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

The ABC could argue justification. That the material they published is true on the balance of probabilities. Much lower standard than guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If they go that line then all the allegations get aired publicly in court. He could do his professional reputation no end of harm if he pushes this too hard.

there is clear justification for this story to be published in the boarder ‘public interest’, the story didn’t name him, although it is my understanding that it was widely known that he was the person in question. Pretty sure his name was trending on Twitter at the time…

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:22:03
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1710437
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


Tamb said:

Ian said:

Not really, not after last year’s 4 corners.

The ABC has been going hard after Porter, and it knows the consequences of an adverse finding. Makes me think they know they’re on pretty firm ground.


With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:23:41
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


diddly-squat said:

Tamb said:

With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

I don’t agree – but that’s probably my own biases in play.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:24:01
From: sibeen
ID: 1710441
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


diddly-squat said:

Tamb said:

With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

Vexatious?

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:24:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1710442
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


diddly-squat said:

Tamb said:

With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

It’s your personal opinion that he’s innocent.

I would suggest that very few Australians agree with you.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:24:54
From: party_pants
ID: 1710443
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

In fairness all he has to do is show that any statements that were made were either false or damaging, and that this caused harm to his professional reputation.. It’s not a particularly high bar to meet.

The ABC could argue justification. That the material they published is true on the balance of probabilities. Much lower standard than guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If they go that line then all the allegations get aired publicly in court. He could do his professional reputation no end of harm if he pushes this too hard.

there is clear justification for this story to be published in the boarder ‘public interest’, the story didn’t name him, although it is my understanding that it was widely known that he was the person in question. Pretty sure his name was trending on Twitter at the time…

I meant justification in the sense that the information published was true. You can’t be sued for publishing the truth about someone. If someone’s reputation is damaged by the truth be known then it is their problem.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:25:28
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1710444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Peak Warming Man said:

diddly-squat said:

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

Vexatious?

I’m a victim of Autocorrect

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:26:28
From: transition
ID: 1710447
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


He’s damaging his reputation even further by seeking to sue them.

I couldn’t respond to what you’re talking about, whatever it is, but I think there are historical examples of escalating poo, spiraling retributions of poo, and sometimes it could be intended by one or more parties to end in a more formal setting so whatever might get tested

and of course that could be part of the job of some formal process, to put an end to the spiraling poo, so there is an end to the poo, limits

everyone has the right of denial, the right to deny whatever, everyone has the equivalent of a psychological firewall (functioning in the social dimension), and to some extent laws protect that operating space

I don’t think there are many examples in history where two or more horrors canceled each other out, or escalating horror made a right

i’m not real keen on people being encouraged to indulge from their sofas escalating horrors, multiplied, so they might find some external thing to project their discontents on to, transform their interest into something more respectable

and I could be wrong, but there could be a substantial amount of personal discontents looking to inhabit whatever, a desire to see whatever made physical, actual

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:27:18
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

diddly-squat said:

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

It’s your personal opinion that he’s innocent.

I would suggest that very few Australians agree with you.

no he’s been acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.. but that being said, it’s quite clear he knew of child sexual abuse and did nothing about it .. that to me is a big enough red flag.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:28:04
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1710450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

diddly-squat said:

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

It’s your personal opinion that he’s innocent.

I would suggest that very few Australians agree with you.

I really don’t know if he is guilty or innocent but I’ll go by the unanimous decision of the highest court in the land, that’s all we can do.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:29:14
From: Cymek
ID: 1710451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

It’s your personal opinion that he’s innocent.

I would suggest that very few Australians agree with you.

no he’s been acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.. but that being said, it’s quite clear he knew of child sexual abuse and did nothing about it .. that to me is a big enough red flag.

Acquitted doesn’t mean innocent

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:29:38
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710453
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

The ABC could argue justification. That the material they published is true on the balance of probabilities. Much lower standard than guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If they go that line then all the allegations get aired publicly in court. He could do his professional reputation no end of harm if he pushes this too hard.

there is clear justification for this story to be published in the boarder ‘public interest’, the story didn’t name him, although it is my understanding that it was widely known that he was the person in question. Pretty sure his name was trending on Twitter at the time…

I meant justification in the sense that the information published was true. You can’t be sued for publishing the truth about someone. If someone’s reputation is damaged by the truth be known then it is their problem.

I think this is where it’s get very tricky and will largely come down to the exact language that was used.. I mean it’s impossible to prove the facts of the story are true or otherwise.. but the original story did only talk of allegations and did not name the person in question so I suppose there is that…

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:30:34
From: btm
ID: 1710454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


diddly-squat said:

Tamb said:

With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

PWM, some of your malapropisms are funny, but this one is absolutely brilliant.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:31:04
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710455
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


diddly-squat said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s your personal opinion that he’s innocent.

I would suggest that very few Australians agree with you.

no he’s been acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.. but that being said, it’s quite clear he knew of child sexual abuse and did nothing about it .. that to me is a big enough red flag.

Acquitted doesn’t mean innocent

actually, that’s exactly what it means

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:32:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1710457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

It’s your personal opinion that he’s innocent.

I would suggest that very few Australians agree with you.

no he’s been acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.. but that being said, it’s quite clear he knew of child sexual abuse and did nothing about it .. that to me is a big enough red flag.

The judges acquitted him on the basis of “reasonable doubt”, not because they found the complainant dishonest or unreliable.

And there were also several other complaints against Pell by other witnesses whose cases were not brought to trial.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:34:25
From: btm
ID: 1710459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


diddly-squat said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s your personal opinion that he’s innocent.

I would suggest that very few Australians agree with you.

no he’s been acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.. but that being said, it’s quite clear he knew of child sexual abuse and did nothing about it .. that to me is a big enough red flag.

The judges acquitted him on the basis of “reasonable doubt”, not because they found the complainant dishonest or unreliable.

And there were also several other complaints against Pell by other witnesses whose cases were not brought to trial.

I know some of his accusers personally. I’ve seen the effect Pell’s abuse has had on their lives.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:36:44
From: Cymek
ID: 1710462
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

no he’s been acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.. but that being said, it’s quite clear he knew of child sexual abuse and did nothing about it .. that to me is a big enough red flag.

Acquitted doesn’t mean innocent

actually, that’s exactly what it means

I think that these men are guilty but have money and influence to get themselves off and are so arrogant that they claim innocence, sue for defamation, etc to ram the point home you don’t mess with me

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:37:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710465
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:38:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1710466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go out on a limb and presume these fellas are innocent so under the rule of law we should just move on and dump the case



Presumably he’s also innocent of all the others as well.

we mean the ABC, they’re entitled to be considered innocent without investigation and by the time any case gets off the ground hopefully the complainant won’t be in the vulnerable position he’s in any more so there’s no point proceeding with any case is there

I think that the ABC she be given paid leave until all this blows over.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:40:33
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710467
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Acquitted doesn’t mean innocent

actually, that’s exactly what it means

I think that these men are guilty but have money and influence to get themselves off and are so arrogant that they claim innocence, sue for defamation, etc to ram the point home you don’t mess with me

I think that as far the rule of law is concerned he should be considered innocent of sexual abuse of the two boys in question. Outside of that, and as I’ve already indicated, I think he’s a pretty despicable human being.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:41:58
From: dv
ID: 1710468
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Attorney-General Christian Porter has launched defamation action against the ABC and journalist Louise Milligan.

The proceedings relate to an article that reported a letter had been sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison containing serious allegations against a serving Cabinet minister.

Mr Porter’s lawyers said the article made false allegations against him.

While the article did not name Mr Porter, his lawyers argue he was easily identifiable to many as the subject of the allegations.

His lawyers said the Attorney-General had been subject to a “trial by media”, which they said should now end with these proceedings.

They said Mr Porter would use the opportunity to give evidence under oath.

More to come.
——————————————————————————————————————————————
He wasn’t named…
——————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/abc-christian-porter-sued-allegations-defamation/13248408

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:43:29
From: dv
ID: 1710469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


diddly-squat said:

Tamb said:

With the ABC, ideology often trumps intellect.

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:44:10
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710470
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Michael V said:

Attorney-General Christian Porter has launched defamation action against the ABC and journalist Louise Milligan.

The proceedings relate to an article that reported a letter had been sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison containing serious allegations against a serving Cabinet minister.

Mr Porter’s lawyers said the article made false allegations against him.

While the article did not name Mr Porter, his lawyers argue he was easily identifiable to many as the subject of the allegations.

His lawyers said the Attorney-General had been subject to a “trial by media”, which they said should now end with these proceedings.

They said Mr Porter would use the opportunity to give evidence under oath.

More to come.
——————————————————————————————————————————————
He wasn’t named…
——————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/abc-christian-porter-sued-allegations-defamation/13248408

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

did you see PvO’s appearance on Insiders two weeks back?

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:44:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710471
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:



Scum.

And for Sibeen who demanded to know how a woman could remember who raped her 33 years ago when he couldn’t remember who he had sex with before he was married…Who knew it? She was literate all along.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:46:12
From: dv
ID: 1710474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

no he’s been acquitted of the crimes he was accused of.. but that being said, it’s quite clear he knew of child sexual abuse and did nothing about it .. that to me is a big enough red flag.

Acquitted doesn’t mean innocent

actually, that’s exactly what it means

Laughs in OJ

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:47:16
From: dv
ID: 1710475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

Attorney-General Christian Porter has launched defamation action against the ABC and journalist Louise Milligan.

The proceedings relate to an article that reported a letter had been sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison containing serious allegations against a serving Cabinet minister.

Mr Porter’s lawyers said the article made false allegations against him.

While the article did not name Mr Porter, his lawyers argue he was easily identifiable to many as the subject of the allegations.

His lawyers said the Attorney-General had been subject to a “trial by media”, which they said should now end with these proceedings.

They said Mr Porter would use the opportunity to give evidence under oath.

More to come.
——————————————————————————————————————————————
He wasn’t named…
——————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/abc-christian-porter-sued-allegations-defamation/13248408

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

did you see PvO’s appearance on Insiders two weeks back?

What the hell happened to him…

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:49:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1710479
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

diddly-squat said:

I don’t agree.. I think that the ABC has probably the most balanced newsdesk of all the major news networks..

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.


lol :)

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:49:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710481
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Scum.

And for Sibeen who demanded to know how a woman could remember who raped her 33 years ago when he couldn’t remember who he had sex with before he was married…Who knew it? She was literate all along.

I get to take that back. It is a different set of journals. I apologise for putting up a photo of a different set of journals.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:49:16
From: buffy
ID: 1710482
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

The ABC could argue justification. That the material they published is true on the balance of probabilities. Much lower standard than guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If they go that line then all the allegations get aired publicly in court. He could do his professional reputation no end of harm if he pushes this too hard.

there is clear justification for this story to be published in the boarder ‘public interest’, the story didn’t name him, although it is my understanding that it was widely known that he was the person in question. Pretty sure his name was trending on Twitter at the time…

I meant justification in the sense that the information published was true. You can’t be sued for publishing the truth about someone. If someone’s reputation is damaged by the truth be known then it is their problem.

I’ll come out and say I didn’t know who it referred to until he outed himself. Perhaps I don’t read enough random internet stuff.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:51:40
From: sibeen
ID: 1710485
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Scum.

And for Sibeen who demanded to know how a woman could remember who raped her 33 years ago when he couldn’t remember who he had sex with before he was married…Who knew it? She was literate all along.

WTF?

When did I ever say anything close to that?

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:54:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1710488
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Scum.

And for Sibeen who demanded to know how a woman could remember who raped her 33 years ago when he couldn’t remember who he had sex with before he was married…Who knew it? She was literate all along.

I don’t think that is what Sibeen implied.

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Date: 15/03/2021 12:58:08
From: buffy
ID: 1710492
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m not sure it’s been said yet. Christian Porter should probably beware the Ides of March.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:01:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710495
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


I’m not sure it’s been said yet. Christian Porter should probably beware the Ides of March.

Today is my mother’s birthday.
Nothing to do with back stabbing or Brutus.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:05:37
From: Michael V
ID: 1710497
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Michael V said:

Attorney-General Christian Porter has launched defamation action against the ABC and journalist Louise Milligan.

The proceedings relate to an article that reported a letter had been sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison containing serious allegations against a serving Cabinet minister.

Mr Porter’s lawyers said the article made false allegations against him.

While the article did not name Mr Porter, his lawyers argue he was easily identifiable to many as the subject of the allegations.

His lawyers said the Attorney-General had been subject to a “trial by media”, which they said should now end with these proceedings.

They said Mr Porter would use the opportunity to give evidence under oath.

More to come.
——————————————————————————————————————————————
He wasn’t named…
——————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/abc-christian-porter-sued-allegations-defamation/13248408

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

It certainly wasn’t obvious to me.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:08:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1710499
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

It certainly wasn’t obvious to me.

To say that ‘ it was obvious to him that they meant him’ seems to suggest that he has a conscience. And you don’t get job with this L/NP government if you have one of those.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:08:39
From: furious
ID: 1710500
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:


Scum.

And for Sibeen who demanded to know how a woman could remember who raped her 33 years ago when he couldn’t remember who he had sex with before he was married…Who knew it? She was literate all along.

I don’t think that is what Sibeen implied.

No. It wasn’t…

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:09:58
From: Neophyte
ID: 1710501
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

I’m not sure it’s been said yet. Christian Porter should probably beware the Ides of March.

Today is my mother’s birthday.
Nothing to do with back stabbing or Brutus.

No, but having had lunch she was presented with a cake, and that was et tu.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:10:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710502
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Scum.

And for Sibeen who demanded to know how a woman could remember who raped her 33 years ago when he couldn’t remember who he had sex with before he was married…Who knew it? She was literate all along.

I don’t think that is what Sibeen implied.

No. It wasn’t…

So what did he mean then?
I can remember every one of my sexual encounters and their names.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:11:00
From: party_pants
ID: 1710504
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

Attorney-General Christian Porter has launched defamation action against the ABC and journalist Louise Milligan.

The proceedings relate to an article that reported a letter had been sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison containing serious allegations against a serving Cabinet minister.

Mr Porter’s lawyers said the article made false allegations against him.

While the article did not name Mr Porter, his lawyers argue he was easily identifiable to many as the subject of the allegations.

His lawyers said the Attorney-General had been subject to a “trial by media”, which they said should now end with these proceedings.

They said Mr Porter would use the opportunity to give evidence under oath.

More to come.
——————————————————————————————————————————————
He wasn’t named…
——————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/abc-christian-porter-sued-allegations-defamation/13248408

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

It certainly wasn’t obvious to me.

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:11:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710505
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Neophyte said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I’m not sure it’s been said yet. Christian Porter should probably beware the Ides of March.

Today is my mother’s birthday.
Nothing to do with back stabbing or Brutus.

No, but having had lunch she was presented with a cake, and that was et tu.

:) she’d be 104 if she was having a cake.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:12:53
From: sibeen
ID: 1710506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


furious said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think that is what Sibeen implied.

No. It wasn’t…

So what did he mean then?
I can remember every one of my sexual encounters and their names.

I suggest you read what I wrote.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:18:08
From: buffy
ID: 1710510
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

It certainly wasn’t obvious to me.

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

Well obviously it was obvious to his circle and not to the rest of us. Or he thought it was obvious. Or perhaps he thinks the whole world revolves around your debating prowess in your youth. I never did debating. It seems to be a private school thing. I know we had at least two people at my State High School who would have been very competent, both of whom were in the top ten of the state in HSC.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:34:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710515
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They weren’t very balanced in the Pell case which was an ideological veracious pursuit of an innocent man led by Louise Milligan.

Vexatious?

I’m a victim of Autocorrect

well obviously it’s vexatious, like all planned, who wouldn’t fake à suicide of someone mentally disturbed who kept diaries just so that Twitter could light up with talk about an Attorney-General whose records were being scrubbed in real time and therefore make a media appearance after malingering so that they could sue to deal yet another blow to the ABC or any other media likely to report on any other inconvenient truths

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:38:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710518
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Yeah but it was obvious to him that they meant him specifically because of that chick he raped

It certainly wasn’t obvious to me.

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

oh come on if that was the culprit then you’d have all kinds of fabricated doctored reliable diaries and witness reports about it

wait

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:40:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710519
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Brittany Higgins addresses the crowd
Brittany Higgins takes the stage.
The cameras are told to back off, and the crowd is asked for a little bit of quiet.
Higgins thanks everyone for attending “we are here not because we want to be here, but because we have to be here,” she says.
“…We are here because it is unfathomable we have to fight this same tired, stale fight”.
I speak to you today out of necessity.
We are all here today not because we want to be here, because we have two be here.
We fundamentally recognise the system is broken, the glass ceiling is still in place, and there are significant failings in the power structures within our institution.
We are here because it is unfathomable that we are still having to fight this same stale, tired fight. As it has been said… before, time can be used constructively or destructively.
Human progress rarely rolls on inevitability. It is through dedication and effort that we move forward.
When we fall asleep at the wheel, what has to happen is that tide becomes an ally of those who seek stagnation. We regress.
It is the custodians of the status quo keeping the existing order a live. To see a real progress, we must seek it out. I am cognisant of all the women who continue to live in silence.
The women who are faceless. The women who don’t have the mobility, the confidence, or the financial means to share their truth.
Those who don’t see their images and stories reflected in their media, those who are sadly no longer with us.
Those who have lost their sense of self-worth and are unable to break the silence, all of which is rooted in the shame and stigma of sexual assault.
One out of every five women in Australia will be sexually assaulted or raped in their lifetime, if you are a woman of colour the statistics are even higher.
Thanks to Chanel Contos we now know-how of behaviour is our schools.
There is a confronting sense of finality about sexual violence in our community.
I was raped inside Parliament House by a colleague, and for so long it felt like the people around me neither cared because of what happened for what it might mean for them.
It was so confusing because these people were my idols. I had dedicated my life to them. They were my social network, colleagues, and my family. As suddenly they treated me differently.
I was not a person who had just gone through a lot of changes event, I was a political problem. Amanda Vanstone, a former Liberal minister summed it up the other day – if there was a young girl alleging she had been raped in a different office, would it be on the front page?
No it would not. I think Miss Vanstone is missing the point.
There is a horrible societal acceptance of sexual violence experienced by women in Australia. My story was on the front page for the sole reason that it was a painful reminder to women that it can happen in Parliament House, and can truly happen anywhere.
These past few weeks on a personal level have been extremely difficult.
Like many of you I have watched this all play out in the media. I watched it happen from a laptop in a spare bedroom in my dad’s apartment on the Gold Coast.
I watched as the Prime Minister of Australia publicly apologised to me through the media, while privately the media team actively undermined and discredited my love ones.
I tuned into Question Time to see my former bosses, people that I had dedicated my life to, deny and downplay my lived experience.
I have read the news updates every day at five a.m. , because I was waking up to new information about my own sexual assault through the media.
Details that were never disclosed to me by my employers, information that would have helped me as questions that have haunted me for years. I watched as people hid behind throwaway phrases like due process and presumption of innocence while failing to acknowledge how the justice system is notoriously stacked against victims of sexual crime.
I read the advice from defence chief Angus Campbell who advised women on how not to fall prey to those who have the proclivity… (BOOING) ..to harm others.
Advice aimed solely at modifying the behaviour of victims and does nothing to address the actions of perpetrators.
I was dismayed by senior male journalists who routinely implied that my partner was pulling the strings behind the scenes.
The sudden inference being that a traumatised woman wasn’t capable of weaponising her own story.
I watched as advocates on the macro level disappear when the issue hit too close to home at the micro level.
I had think suspicions confirmed when the media exposed a long list of people who knew what had happened to me.
A list that seemed to grow by the day as truths about internal reviews, Senate committee submissions, office cleans and witness accounts were all unearthed.
These are the people making our laws in governing the country. As our leaders, they should be the exemplar – the gold standard.
Sadly, this just isn’t the case. If they aren’t committed to addressing these issues in their own offices, what confidence can the women of Australia have that they will be proactive in addressing this issue in the broader community? (CHEERING)
This isn’t a political problem. This is a human problem.
We’ve all learned over the past few weeks just how common gendered violence is in this country.
It’s time our leaders on both sides of politics stop avoiding the public and side-stepping accountability. It’s time we actually address the problem.
I decided to resign and share my story, because I felt it was the only thing that I could do to say that I didn’t co-sign this behaviour.
… That I don’t believe what happened was right. That I don’t believe a brochure is adequate support.
That I don’t believe people should be isolated, intimidated and ignored after traumatic incidents inside the workplace.
I came forward with my story to hopefully protect other women.
(CHEERING… (CHEERING)
By staying silent, I felt like it would have made me complicit, and if something of this nature had ever happened again, my ongoing silence would have inadvertently said to those people in charge that you can treat people in this way and it’s OK.
I want to be clear – it’s not!
… So I have spoken out with what little I have to say this isn’t OK and they need to do better. We all need to do better.
I encourage each and every one of you to set boundaries for yourself and be ruthless in your defence of them. Speak up. Share your truth and know that you have a generation of women ready, willing and able to support you.
(CHEERING)
Take ownership of your story and free yourself from the stigma of shame. Together, we can bring about real, meaningful reform to the workplace culture inside Parliament House and, hopefully, every workplace, to ensure the next generation of women can benefit from a safer and more equitable Australia.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:43:14
From: party_pants
ID: 1710520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

It certainly wasn’t obvious to me.

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

oh come on if that was the culprit then you’d have all kinds of fabricated doctored reliable diaries and witness reports about it

wait

No. There was a chart going around showing age and school/uni they went to at the time in 1988. Giving ticks or crosses on various criteria. Porter didn’t get all ticks because he was living n WA at the time. What was not known is that he had a trip to Sydney to participate in the debating competition. Without knowing this detail it looked like Porter could be crossed off the list.

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Date: 15/03/2021 13:47:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710521
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

oh come on if that was the culprit then you’d have all kinds of fabricated doctored reliable diaries and witness reports about it

wait

No. There was a chart going around showing age and school/uni they went to at the time in 1988. Giving ticks or crosses on various criteria. Porter didn’t get all ticks because he was living n WA at the time. What was not known is that he had a trip to Sydney to participate in the debating competition. Without knowing this detail it looked like Porter could be crossed off the list.

Yes we were more referring to the $15M Angus spent on travel to Sydney to undertake these indiscretions but actually that was more recent, 2017 or 2018 or something. Wait, should those dickheads be held to answer defamation over that¿

More seriously of course yes unless they all know some other bullshit we don’t it’s hard to see how suing ABC over this is going to work, but we aren’t lawyers so don’t take our word for it.

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Date: 15/03/2021 14:02:41
From: dv
ID: 1710527
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

there is clear justification for this story to be published in the boarder ‘public interest’, the story didn’t name him, although it is my understanding that it was widely known that he was the person in question. Pretty sure his name was trending on Twitter at the time…

I meant justification in the sense that the information published was true. You can’t be sued for publishing the truth about someone. If someone’s reputation is damaged by the truth be known then it is their problem.

I’ll come out and say I didn’t know who it referred to until he outed himself. Perhaps I don’t read enough random internet stuff.

I’d narrowed it down to about 6

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Date: 15/03/2021 14:54:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710560
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:03:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710567
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:12:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710570
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:14:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710571
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:


Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

and what does Myanmar have to do with women’s rights not to be raped?

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:15:04
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710572
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

It certainly wasn’t obvious to me.

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

Well obviously it was obvious to his circle and not to the rest of us. Or he thought it was obvious. Or perhaps he thinks the whole world revolves around your debating prowess in your youth. I never did debating. It seems to be a private school thing. I know we had at least two people at my State High School who would have been very competent, both of whom were in the top ten of the state in HSC.

high school debating is not exclusively a private school thing…

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:16:31
From: dv
ID: 1710573
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr Thomas said he had heard frequently from within his party over the past four years that “it would never get worse than 2017”.

“The reality is it got significantly worse,” Mr Thomas said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:16:56
From: party_pants
ID: 1710574
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:


Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

and what does Myanmar have to do with women’s rights not to be raped?

Well nothing. I think that is the whole point in highlighting it.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:17:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710575
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

Well obviously it was obvious to his circle and not to the rest of us. Or he thought it was obvious. Or perhaps he thinks the whole world revolves around your debating prowess in your youth. I never did debating. It seems to be a private school thing. I know we had at least two people at my State High School who would have been very competent, both of whom were in the top ten of the state in HSC.

high school debating is not exclusively a private school thing…

True. In fact it wasn’t even on the agenda in my private school. I was actually surprised to see debating when I went to a public high school.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:20:51
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710576
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:


Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:22:40
From: Cymek
ID: 1710579
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:


Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

I wonder how many armed forced would kill their own citizens if ordered

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:23:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710580
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

Well obviously it was obvious to his circle and not to the rest of us. Or he thought it was obvious. Or perhaps he thinks the whole world revolves around your debating prowess in your youth. I never did debating. It seems to be a private school thing. I know we had at least two people at my State High School who would have been very competent, both of whom were in the top ten of the state in HSC.

high school debating is not exclusively a private school thing…

well there is rhetoric and there is logic and there is rape

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:23:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710581
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

I wonder how many armed forced would kill their own citizens if ordered

all of them

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:24:32
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710582
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

I wonder how many armed forced would kill their own citizens if ordered

if it means not being killed yourself or having your family killed I think most probably would…

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:24:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710583
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:


Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

Surely it’s more of a threat, that things could change, even here in this country.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:24:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710584
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

I wonder how many armed forced would kill their own citizens if ordered

all of them

Particularly if disobeying orders gets you shot.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:25:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710585
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

I wonder how many armed forced would kill their own citizens if ordered

if it means not being killed yourself or having your family killed I think most probably would…

Recalls the red badge of courage.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:26:05
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710586
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

Even if that is taken out of context he probably should not have gone there.

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

Surely it’s more of a threat, that things could change, even here in this country.

that is certainly a possibility…

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:27:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710587
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


SCIENCE said:

diddly-squat said:

he’s trying to drive home the idea that Australia is a fair and lawful place and that bad things, you know.. really bad things don’t happen here.. except that they do…

Surely it’s more of a threat, that things could change, even here in this country.

that is certainly a possibility…

… right around the world.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:28:12
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710588
Subject: re: Aust Politics

when you have a bunch of Nazis in charge…

;-)

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:28:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710589
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


when you have a bunch of Nazis in charge…

;-)

banal

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:29:49
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710590
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


when you have a bunch of Nazis in charge…

;-)

and so we go full circle

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:31:11
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710591
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Look, I couldn’t resist.

:-)

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:33:52
From: dv
ID: 1710593
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Hey at least I didn’t have the police suicide you in a coverup… where’s the gratitude?”

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:35:04
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710594
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


“Hey at least I didn’t have the police suicide you in a coverup… where’s the gratitude?”

I mean Australia really is a vibrant liberal democracy

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:37:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710595
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

“Hey at least I didn’t have the police suicide you in a coverup… where’s the gratitude?”

I mean Australia really is a vibrant liberal democracy

but it has been dropping positions over the last few years in the democratic nations stakes.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:39:13
From: dv
ID: 1710596
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:40:43
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710598
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

I don’t think ScoMo would ever admit to pushing Dan down the stairs

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:41:51
From: party_pants
ID: 1710600
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

I don’t think ScoMo would ever admit to pushing Dan down the stairs

I was just thinking that too … :)

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:42:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710601
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


diddly-squat said:

dv said:

“Hey at least I didn’t have the police suicide you in a coverup… where’s the gratitude?”

I mean Australia really is a vibrant liberal democracy

but it has been dropping positions over the last few years in the democratic nations stakes.

we’d mentioned this before but we heard North Korea and Congo-Kinshasa are also quite democratic

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:44:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1710603
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

I don’t think ScoMo would ever admit to pushing Dan down the stairs

Dan or Dani as he is known at the gay nightclub where he fell over on the steps at 3am the other night.
He wasn’t pushed, he fell over so lets not start unfounded rumours that he was pushed.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:51:14
From: dv
ID: 1710606
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

I mean Australia really is a vibrant liberal democracy

but it has been dropping positions over the last few years in the democratic nations stakes.

we’d mentioned this before but we heard North Korea and Congo-Kinshasa are also quite democratic

Lol

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:51:38
From: sibeen
ID: 1710607
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

This is quite shocking news for most Victorians. Not many realized that the oppositions leader’s name was O’Brien.

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Date: 15/03/2021 15:52:51
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1710609
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Australia is better than this

In case anyone was wondering why women were marching, these comments from an SBS story give a bit of a hint.

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:25:48
From: buffy
ID: 1710627
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

Nor me. I thought they were talking about Angus Taylor at first.

Well obviously it was obvious to his circle and not to the rest of us. Or he thought it was obvious. Or perhaps he thinks the whole world revolves around your debating prowess in your youth. I never did debating. It seems to be a private school thing. I know we had at least two people at my State High School who would have been very competent, both of whom were in the top ten of the state in HSC.

high school debating is not exclusively a private school thing…

I guess not. But my school certainly wasn’t into it in the 1970s, and the two people I mentioned went on to be lawyers, one of them has been quite influential. I don’t remember if he did debating at uni. He did a double degree, Law/Science at Melbourne Uni. He was pretty busy. The other one took a year out after HSC (it wasn’t the thing to do back then, particularly amongst us in the less moneyed classes), despite being top girl in the State, and I’ve not seen her since. I do know she ended up in law though.

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:26:17
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710628
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Australia is better than this

In case anyone was wondering why women were marching, these comments from an SBS story give a bit of a hint.


people are weird

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:28:16
From: buffy
ID: 1710629
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

Hands up any Victorians here who have heard of Brad before this.

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:30:28
From: party_pants
ID: 1710632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


dv said:

Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

Hands up any Victorians here who have heard of Brad before this.

He’ll probably promise to close down all Victorian coal power stations by 2025 or something like that, trying to steal the Green vote. Then you’ll hear of him.

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:30:58
From: Cymek
ID: 1710633
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

Well obviously it was obvious to his circle and not to the rest of us. Or he thought it was obvious. Or perhaps he thinks the whole world revolves around your debating prowess in your youth. I never did debating. It seems to be a private school thing. I know we had at least two people at my State High School who would have been very competent, both of whom were in the top ten of the state in HSC.

high school debating is not exclusively a private school thing…

I guess not. But my school certainly wasn’t into it in the 1970s, and the two people I mentioned went on to be lawyers, one of them has been quite influential. I don’t remember if he did debating at uni. He did a double degree, Law/Science at Melbourne Uni. He was pretty busy. The other one took a year out after HSC (it wasn’t the thing to do back then, particularly amongst us in the less moneyed classes), despite being top girl in the State, and I’ve not seen her since. I do know she ended up in law though.

My daughter is in the debating club at her school, has one coming up this week I think or sometime in March

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:35:39
From: buffy
ID: 1710634
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


buffy said:

diddly-squat said:

high school debating is not exclusively a private school thing…

I guess not. But my school certainly wasn’t into it in the 1970s, and the two people I mentioned went on to be lawyers, one of them has been quite influential. I don’t remember if he did debating at uni. He did a double degree, Law/Science at Melbourne Uni. He was pretty busy. The other one took a year out after HSC (it wasn’t the thing to do back then, particularly amongst us in the less moneyed classes), despite being top girl in the State, and I’ve not seen her since. I do know she ended up in law though.

My daughter is in the debating club at her school, has one coming up this week I think or sometime in March

Perhaps things have changed in the last 50 years…I’m getting on a bit now.

:)

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:37:26
From: Cymek
ID: 1710636
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Cymek said:

buffy said:

I guess not. But my school certainly wasn’t into it in the 1970s, and the two people I mentioned went on to be lawyers, one of them has been quite influential. I don’t remember if he did debating at uni. He did a double degree, Law/Science at Melbourne Uni. He was pretty busy. The other one took a year out after HSC (it wasn’t the thing to do back then, particularly amongst us in the less moneyed classes), despite being top girl in the State, and I’ve not seen her since. I do know she ended up in law though.

My daughter is in the debating club at her school, has one coming up this week I think or sometime in March

Perhaps things have changed in the last 50 years…I’m getting on a bit now.

:)

Teenager girls wanting to argue is unusual I admit

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:41:52
From: sibeen
ID: 1710638
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


buffy said:

Cymek said:

My daughter is in the debating club at her school, has one coming up this week I think or sometime in March

Perhaps things have changed in the last 50 years…I’m getting on a bit now.

:)

Teenager girls wanting to argue is unusual I admit

Yes.

< /droll>

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:43:55
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1710639
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Cymek said:

buffy said:

Perhaps things have changed in the last 50 years…I’m getting on a bit now.

:)

Teenager girls wanting to argue is unusual I admit

Yes.

< /droll>

Dad, you don’t understand me at all… no one in this family understands me…..
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Date: 15/03/2021 16:46:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710640
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


sibeen said:

Cymek said:

Teenager girls wanting to argue is unusual I admit

Yes.

< /droll>

Dad, you don’t understand me at all… no one in this family understands me…..

and we never will until you explain yourself.

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Date: 15/03/2021 16:53:55
From: dv
ID: 1710645
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


dv said:

Victorian Liberal leader Michael O’Brien is facing an imminent leadership challenge, most likely on Tuesday, following months of speculation about whether he is a strong alternative to Premier Daniel Andrews.

Opposition spokesman for roads, youth justice and crime prevention Brad Battin is expected to put his hand up to contest a ballot against the Opposition Leader at a party room meeting scheduled for 8.45am on Tuesday – the first parliamentary sitting day since Mr Andrews injured his back.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/liberal-mp-lets-fly-at-own-party-in-wake-of-wa-election/13249518

Will Morrison take credit?

Hands up any Victorians here who have heard of Brad before this.

So at least he’s got that going for him

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Date: 15/03/2021 17:26:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710660
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
Teenager girls wanting to argue is unusual I admit

Yes.

< /droll>

Dad, you don’t understand me at all… no one in this family understands me…..

and we never will until you explain yourself.

is this kind of sexist ageist dismissal acceptable in this modern age, even if our so called national leaders are arseholes being shitty rôle models

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Date: 15/03/2021 18:45:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710689
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Gettin’ Nervous Are We Mr Potter ¿

It can now be revealed that the AFP moved in on Davis after Four Corners and ABC Investigations provided information gathered during a five-month-long investigation.

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Date: 15/03/2021 18:46:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710690
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Gettin’ Nervous Are We Mr Porter ¿

It can now be revealed that the AFP moved in on Davis after Four Corners and ABC Investigations provided information gathered during a five-month-long investigation.

we blame Peak Warming Man’s autocorrect

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Date: 15/03/2021 19:19:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710695
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews confirming he will step down from his duties for at least six weeks.

well that’s one way to put it

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/daniel-andrews-discharged-from-hospital/13248174

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:12:06
From: dv
ID: 1710712
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Consider the electoral systems used in each of Australia’s eight states and mainland territories.

Queensland
unicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 93 seats

NSW
bicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, optional pref, 93 seats
LC: 8 year fixed terms, optional pref below and below the line 42 seats (half-LC elections of 21 seats every four years in a single electorate)

Victoria
bicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 88 seats
LC: 4 year fixed terms, group ticket voting above the line, semi-optional pref below the line 40 seats (5 seats each for 8 electoral regions)

SA
bicameral
HOA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 47 seats
LC: 8 year fixed terms, optional pref above the line, semi-optional pref below the line 22 seats (half-LC elections of 11 seats every four years in a single electorate)

WA
bicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 59 seats, with some regional malaportionment
LC: 4 year fixed terms, group ticket voting above the line, full pref below the line 36 seats (6 seats for each of 6 electoral regions) with extreme regional malaportionment

Tasmania
bicameral
HOA: up to 4 year terms, semi-optional pref (no above the line voting), random order tickets 25 seats (5 seats for each of 5 electoral regions)
LC: 6 year fixed terms, 15 seats (1 for each of 15 electoral divisions), with elections staggered over a 6 year cycle

NT
unicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 25 seats

ACT
unicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, semi-optional pref (no above the line voting), random order tickets 25 seats (5 seats for each of 5 electoral regions)

—-

Queensland and NT have the advantage of simplicity, and seem like a good option for people who aren’t very risk averse. As long as the courts remain strong there is a limit to the amount of damage a party can do in four years and, in the absence of an upper house, it gives the governing party enough rope to hang itself if it is intemperate. Witness Campbell Newman taking only three years to wreck himself and crash right out of politics.

Downside of course is that governments can do some damage in four years, and also having no proportional house at all means there is very little representation for large minority parties outside Labor and the Lishun.

I prefer full preference voting to optional preference voting but most of the time I suppose semi-optional preference voting is close enough to the real thing.

I also think that eight years is a LONG time to be a legislator on the basis of a single election.

I like fixed terms as I think that giving the government the power to name the election date gives too much power to incumbency.

Naturally I abhor malapportionment.

I don’t like group ticket voting as it can lead to perverse results due to preference deals between utterly unrelated parties.

I don’t particularly favour regional proportional voting versus proportional voting as a single electorate: I’m fine with either, though of course voting as a single electorate can lead to very large ballot papers.

I suppose on balance I prefer the random order ballots to overcome donkey-vote issues though I don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

None of the states or territories quite meet my requirements though I suppose Tasmania and the ACT come closest, and Qld and NT are okay if you’re into that.

Still prefer the NZ style mixed martial arts version.

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:21:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710715
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Consider the electoral systems used in each of Australia’s eight states and mainland territories.

Queensland
unicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 93 seats

NSW
bicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, optional pref, 93 seats
LC: 8 year fixed terms, optional pref below and below the line 42 seats (half-LC elections of 21 seats every four years in a single electorate)

Victoria
bicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 88 seats
LC: 4 year fixed terms, group ticket voting above the line, semi-optional pref below the line 40 seats (5 seats each for 8 electoral regions)

SA
bicameral
HOA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 47 seats
LC: 8 year fixed terms, optional pref above the line, semi-optional pref below the line 22 seats (half-LC elections of 11 seats every four years in a single electorate)

WA
bicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 59 seats, with some regional malaportionment
LC: 4 year fixed terms, group ticket voting above the line, full pref below the line 36 seats (6 seats for each of 6 electoral regions) with extreme regional malaportionment

Tasmania
bicameral
HOA: up to 4 year terms, semi-optional pref (no above the line voting), random order tickets 25 seats (5 seats for each of 5 electoral regions)
LC: 6 year fixed terms, 15 seats (1 for each of 15 electoral divisions), with elections staggered over a 6 year cycle

NT
unicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, full pref, 25 seats

ACT
unicameral
LA: 4 year fixed terms, semi-optional pref (no above the line voting), random order tickets 25 seats (5 seats for each of 5 electoral regions)

—-

Queensland and NT have the advantage of simplicity, and seem like a good option for people who aren’t very risk averse. As long as the courts remain strong there is a limit to the amount of damage a party can do in four years and, in the absence of an upper house, it gives the governing party enough rope to hang itself if it is intemperate. Witness Campbell Newman taking only three years to wreck himself and crash right out of politics.

Downside of course is that governments can do some damage in four years, and also having no proportional house at all means there is very little representation for large minority parties outside Labor and the Lishun.

I prefer full preference voting to optional preference voting but most of the time I suppose semi-optional preference voting is close enough to the real thing.

I also think that eight years is a LONG time to be a legislator on the basis of a single election.

I like fixed terms as I think that giving the government the power to name the election date gives too much power to incumbency.

Naturally I abhor malapportionment.

I don’t like group ticket voting as it can lead to perverse results due to preference deals between utterly unrelated parties.

I don’t particularly favour regional proportional voting versus proportional voting as a single electorate: I’m fine with either, though of course voting as a single electorate can lead to very large ballot papers.

I suppose on balance I prefer the random order ballots to overcome donkey-vote issues though I don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

None of the states or territories quite meet my requirements though I suppose Tasmania and the ACT come closest, and Qld and NT are okay if you’re into that.

Still prefer the NZ style mixed martial arts version.

I do feel more represented in the Tassie Hare Clark system. It felt better before when there were 35 instead of 25 seats. I get 5 people to reresent my electorate. My electorate has got in one Green for some decades now. The other 4 seats are fought over by the Lib and Labs.

Depending on your problem you do have 5 people who might lend a sympathetic ear.

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:37:14
From: dv
ID: 1710723
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:41:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1710725
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



How does ‘random order ballots’ work?

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:43:56
From: dv
ID: 1710726
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:


How does ‘random order ballots’ work?

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:46:55
From: party_pants
ID: 1710728
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:


How does ‘random order ballots’ work?

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

Why is that a positive thing? Just seems like a PITA for voters and the counters.

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:48:29
From: furious
ID: 1710729
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How does ‘random order ballots’ work?

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

Why is that a positive thing? Just seems like a PITA for voters and the counters.

Can’t see it as a problem for voters, but for counters? Yes…

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:49:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1710730
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How does ‘random order ballots’ work?

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

Why is that a positive thing? Just seems like a PITA for voters and the counters.

Yeah. I’ve never really been a subscriber to the idea that some people donkey vote.

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Date: 15/03/2021 21:55:48
From: party_pants
ID: 1710731
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

Why is that a positive thing? Just seems like a PITA for voters and the counters.

Can’t see it as a problem for voters, but for counters? Yes…

For people that just want to copy their chosen party’s HTVC it means looking up and matching each name rather than just copying a number sequence like say 2, 7, 4, 6. 1, 3, 5 from the list and then scooting off to buy a sausage.

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:12:05
From: buffy
ID: 1710734
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:


How does ‘random order ballots’ work?

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

Sounds like hell for those counting the votes in the evening, not to mention confusing voters who have to carefully read the ballot they are handed. What is wrong with randomizing the candidates to the ballot paper once.

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:14:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710736
Subject: re: Aust Politics

#March4Justice​ | Responding to the Prime Minister

Anthony Albanese MP
3.69K subscribers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMDckffQsRk

Albanese discusses who knew what in Morrison’s office somewhere near the end.

Also..only 3.69k of subscribers?

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:21:25
From: dv
ID: 1710737
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How does ‘random order ballots’ work?

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

Why is that a positive thing? Just seems like a PITA for voters and the counters.

As mentioned above, it avoids the donkey-vote problem whereby candidates placed atop are favoured, which is a real quantified phenomenon in Australia.

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:23:58
From: dv
ID: 1710738
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Per Antony Green:

How Important is the Donkey Vote?

The top position on the ballot paper was drawn by the Palmer United Party candidate, and the party has published a preference sequence running straight down the ballot paper from 1 to 12. If many voters follow this recommendation, it will favour the Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie.

Obtaining the top spot on the ballot paper has been measured in the past as being worth on average about 1% of the vote. This may give a boost to Palmer United.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/preferences-donkey-votes-and-the-canning-by-election/9388654

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:25:44
From: party_pants
ID: 1710739
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

They print like 60 different versions of the ballots with the order of candidates randomised.

Why is that a positive thing? Just seems like a PITA for voters and the counters.

As mentioned above, it avoids the donkey-vote problem whereby candidates placed atop are favoured, which is a real quantified phenomenon in Australia.

I think I am happy enough to trade off the donkey vote problem in return for speed, convenience and accuracy in counting.

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:27:33
From: dv
ID: 1710740
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

party_pants said:

Why is that a positive thing? Just seems like a PITA for voters and the counters.

As mentioned above, it avoids the donkey-vote problem whereby candidates placed atop are favoured, which is a real quantified phenomenon in Australia.

I think I am happy enough to trade off the donkey vote problem in return for speed, convenience and accuracy in counting.

Well each to his own.

It’s certainly not THAT big a deal and the columns from left to right in the table show decreasing importance by my lights. Lack of malapportionment is the most important to me, random order ballots, the least.

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:47:43
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1710745
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Per Antony Green:

How Important is the Donkey Vote?

The top position on the ballot paper was drawn by the Palmer United Party candidate, and the party has published a preference sequence running straight down the ballot paper from 1 to 12. If many voters follow this recommendation, it will favour the Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie.

Obtaining the top spot on the ballot paper has been measured in the past as being worth on average about 1% of the vote. This may give a boost to Palmer United.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/preferences-donkey-votes-and-the-canning-by-election/9388654


The greens are the donkey vote these days

Don’t know who to vote for? Just vote green. Its a proxy for Labor.

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Date: 15/03/2021 22:50:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1710746
Subject: re: Aust Politics

wookiemeister said:


dv said:

Per Antony Green:

How Important is the Donkey Vote?

The top position on the ballot paper was drawn by the Palmer United Party candidate, and the party has published a preference sequence running straight down the ballot paper from 1 to 12. If many voters follow this recommendation, it will favour the Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie.

Obtaining the top spot on the ballot paper has been measured in the past as being worth on average about 1% of the vote. This may give a boost to Palmer United.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/preferences-donkey-votes-and-the-canning-by-election/9388654


The greens are the donkey vote these days

Don’t know who to vote for? Just vote green. Its a proxy for Labor.

Ref?

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Date: 15/03/2021 23:12:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1710748
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


wookiemeister said:

dv said:

Per Antony Green:

How Important is the Donkey Vote?

The top position on the ballot paper was drawn by the Palmer United Party candidate, and the party has published a preference sequence running straight down the ballot paper from 1 to 12. If many voters follow this recommendation, it will favour the Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie.

Obtaining the top spot on the ballot paper has been measured in the past as being worth on average about 1% of the vote. This may give a boost to Palmer United.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/preferences-donkey-votes-and-the-canning-by-election/9388654


The greens are the donkey vote these days

Don’t know who to vote for? Just vote green. Its a proxy for Labor.

Ref?

The imaginary Wookie-World book of short, pithy, meaningless, arse-plucking thoughts.

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Date: 15/03/2021 23:44:55
From: dv
ID: 1710750
Subject: re: Aust Politics

wookiemeister said:


dv said:

Per Antony Green:

How Important is the Donkey Vote?

The top position on the ballot paper was drawn by the Palmer United Party candidate, and the party has published a preference sequence running straight down the ballot paper from 1 to 12. If many voters follow this recommendation, it will favour the Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie.

Obtaining the top spot on the ballot paper has been measured in the past as being worth on average about 1% of the vote. This may give a boost to Palmer United.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/preferences-donkey-votes-and-the-canning-by-election/9388654


The greens are the donkey vote these days

Don’t know who to vote for? Just vote green. Its a proxy for Labor.

That’s not what the phrase Donkey Vote means and also no.

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Date: 16/03/2021 09:44:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710798
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Not Content With Vicariously Winning As Backers Of WA Labor, Team Marketing Take Credit For Improving Rights Of Women

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-16/scott-morrison-womens-march-grace-tame-brittany-higgins/13249824

Parliament’s toxic workplace culture started long before Scott Morrison, but now it’s his task to handle

yeah it was probably Labor’s fault then too

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Date: 16/03/2021 09:48:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1710800
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Not Content With Vicariously Winning As Backers Of WA Labor, Team Marketing Take Credit For Improving Rights Of Women

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-16/scott-morrison-womens-march-grace-tame-brittany-higgins/13249824

Parliament’s toxic workplace culture started long before Scott Morrison, but now it’s his task to handle

yeah it was probably Labor’s fault then too

Political division has nothing to do with the issue. It is the perpetrators. These exist in all political spheres. A venn diagram is easy to imagine.

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Date: 16/03/2021 09:53:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710802
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

Not Content With Vicariously Winning As Backers Of WA Labor, Team Marketing Take Credit For Improving Rights Of Women

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-16/scott-morrison-womens-march-grace-tame-brittany-higgins/13249824

Parliament’s toxic workplace culture started long before Scott Morrison, but now it’s his task to handle

yeah it was probably Labor’s fault then too

Political division has nothing to do with the issue. It is the perpetrators. These exist in all political spheres. A venn diagram is easy to imagine.

well imagine that

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Date: 16/03/2021 10:07:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1710806
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Not Content With Vicariously Winning As Backers Of WA Labor, Team Marketing Take Credit For Improving Rights Of Women

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-16/scott-morrison-womens-march-grace-tame-brittany-higgins/13249824

Parliament’s toxic workplace culture started long before Scott Morrison, but now it’s his task to handle

yeah it was probably Labor’s fault then too

Political division has nothing to do with the issue. It is the perpetrators. These exist in all political spheres. A venn diagram is easy to imagine.

well imagine that


Nice Venn.

One of yours (or got a link?).

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Date: 16/03/2021 10:14:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710809
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Political division has nothing to do with the issue. It is the perpetrators. These exist in all political spheres. A venn diagram is easy to imagine.

well imagine that


Nice Venn.

One of yours (or got a link?).

nah we aren’t that intelligent

http://webhome.cs.uvic.ca/~ruskey/Publications/Venn11/Venn11.html
http://webhome.cs.uvic.ca/~ruskey/Publications/Venn11/SymVD_11_arXiv.pdf

New Rose : The First Simple Symmetric 11-Venn Diagram

Khalegh Mamakani and Frank Ruskey
Dept. of Computer Science, University of Victoria, Canada



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Date: 16/03/2021 10:28:13
From: transition
ID: 1710814
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Not Content With Vicariously Winning As Backers Of WA Labor, Team Marketing Take Credit For Improving Rights Of Women

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-16/scott-morrison-womens-march-grace-tame-brittany-higgins/13249824

Parliament’s toxic workplace culture started long before Scott Morrison, but now it’s his task to handle

yeah it was probably Labor’s fault then too

that page is totally full of spin in my opinion

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Date: 16/03/2021 10:31:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710816
Subject: re: Aust Politics

looks a bit like those animals

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Date: 16/03/2021 15:30:45
From: dv
ID: 1710917
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In fairness there are also places in the world where shitty heads of government get shot so I guess we all have something to be grateful for

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Date: 16/03/2021 15:40:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1710921
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

In fairness there are also places in the world where shitty heads of government get shot so I guess we all have something to be grateful for

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Date: 16/03/2021 17:50:17
From: dv
ID: 1710971
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Brad Battin lost his spill versus Michael O’Brien.

That 16% approval rating is really paying off for Windscreens

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Date: 16/03/2021 17:53:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1710974
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Brad Battin lost his spill versus Michael O’Brien.

That 16% approval rating is really paying off for Windscreens

That’s from Alice Through The Windshield Glass

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Date: 16/03/2021 17:58:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1710975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Not a bad line up this year.

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Date: 16/03/2021 18:00:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1710976
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Not a bad line up this year.


Some of them must have been in cryo freeze and defrosted for the concert

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Date: 16/03/2021 18:01:25
From: party_pants
ID: 1710980
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Not a bad line up this year.


Reads like a great line up of musicians.

I doubt I’ll be able to go.

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Date: 16/03/2021 18:30:30
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711000
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/mp-kate-thwaites-tried-to-talk-about-women-getting-heard-but-got-interrupted-by-a-liberal-senator/

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Date: 16/03/2021 19:08:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711002
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Just watching the TV/

Andrew Laming having a drinking contest with a 19 year old girl in a bar. He’s drinking beer. She’s drinking vodka. Isn’t this a hoot. He’s lucky he isn’t being charged with manslaughter.

I’m starting to really dislike this cnut.

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Date: 16/03/2021 19:16:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711003
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Just watching the TV/

Andrew Laming having a drinking contest with a 19 year old girl in a bar. He’s drinking beer. She’s drinking vodka. Isn’t this a hoot. He’s lucky he isn’t being charged with manslaughter.

I’m starting to really dislike this cnut.

the lot of them

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Date: 16/03/2021 19:16:45
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1711004
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Just watching the TV/

Andrew Laming having a drinking contest with a 19 year old girl in a bar. He’s drinking beer. She’s drinking vodka. Isn’t this a hoot. He’s lucky he isn’t being charged with manslaughter.

I’m starting to really dislike this cnut.

Everything I’ve seen him do or say indicates to me that he’s a mouth-breathing window-licking product of eight generations of cousins interbreeding.

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Date: 16/03/2021 19:28:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1711006
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Just watching the TV/

Andrew Laming having a drinking contest with a 19 year old girl in a bar. He’s drinking beer. She’s drinking vodka. Isn’t this a hoot. He’s lucky he isn’t being charged with manslaughter.

I’m starting to really dislike this cnut.

Did the young woman die?

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Date: 16/03/2021 19:29:04
From: buffy
ID: 1711007
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m hoping the zeitgeist moves people on from the arguments of recent times about calling yourself a feminist or not. And reclaiming the women who started pushing decades ago.

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Date: 16/03/2021 19:33:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711008
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Just watching the TV/

Andrew Laming having a drinking contest with a 19 year old girl in a bar. He’s drinking beer. She’s drinking vodka. Isn’t this a hoot. He’s lucky he isn’t being charged with manslaughter.

I’m starting to really dislike this cnut.

Did the young woman die?

No. She did seem to do two thirds/three quarters of a bottle of straight vodka in very lttle time.

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Date: 16/03/2021 19:36:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1711010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Not a bad line up this year.


As a bit of a fan of Paul Kelly I’m a bit concerned about PWM recommending a line-up headed by him.

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Date: 16/03/2021 20:00:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1711022
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Just watching the TV/

Andrew Laming having a drinking contest with a 19 year old girl in a bar. He’s drinking beer. She’s drinking vodka. Isn’t this a hoot. He’s lucky he isn’t being charged with manslaughter.

I’m starting to really dislike this cnut.

Did the young woman die?

Think the word, lucky, was used?

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Date: 16/03/2021 23:49:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711108
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ms Flint accused Labor of creating the environment “in which hate could flourish”.(ABC News)

On Monday, the Labor leader condemned Prime Minister Scott Morrison for refusing to attend the March 4 Justice protest against gendered violence and for telling Parliament it was a triumph that protesters outside Parliament House were not “met with bullets”.

But Ms Flint started to cry as she accused Mr Albanese of crawling “down into the gutter” with his criticism of the Coalition.

“The safety of women in this place, of female staff and female MPs and senators should be above politics,” she said.

That’s Why We Should Blame The Opposition For What Is Happening, It’s Not Politics At All

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Date: 16/03/2021 23:58:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1711110
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Ms Flint accused Labor of creating the environment “in which hate could flourish”.(ABC News)

On Monday, the Labor leader condemned Prime Minister Scott Morrison for refusing to attend the March 4 Justice protest against gendered violence and for telling Parliament it was a triumph that protesters outside Parliament House were not “met with bullets”.

But Ms Flint started to cry as she accused Mr Albanese of crawling “down into the gutter” with his criticism of the Coalition.

“The safety of women in this place, of female staff and female MPs and senators should be above politics,” she said.

That’s Why We Should Blame The Opposition For What Is Happening, It’s Not Politics At All

Well it should be above politics, but if the government is not going to do anything proactive about it then questions should be asked. Unfortunately it falls to the opposition and the greens to do the asking.

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:12:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711111
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

Ms Flint accused Labor of creating the environment “in which hate could flourish”.(ABC News)

On Monday, the Labor leader condemned Prime Minister Scott Morrison for refusing to attend the March 4 Justice protest against gendered violence and for telling Parliament it was a triumph that protesters outside Parliament House were not “met with bullets”.

But Ms Flint started to cry as she accused Mr Albanese of crawling “down into the gutter” with his criticism of the Coalition.

“The safety of women in this place, of female staff and female MPs and senators should be above politics,” she said.

That’s Why We Should Blame The Opposition For What Is Happening, It’s Not Politics At All

Well it should be above politics, but if the government is not going to do anything proactive about it then questions should be asked. Unfortunately it falls to the opposition and the greens to do the asking.

I’m not sure why ScoMO should have turned up to the rally. He seemed to have suggested that he offered to meet with some women if the march did not happen. And if that’s the go then that’s shit. Instead of the ‘we don’t shoot women here’ speech he could have said something positive but he lost that chance. He looked and acted really weird during Albanese’s rant. Uncomfortable. Rapid blinking. He left the chamber. Albanese started up a rant about Higgens. Dutton called for a division and Albanese was silenced. And that’s how it works these days.

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:17:05
From: dv
ID: 1711112
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/uk/uk-crime-bill-sarah-everard-protests-clampdown-intl-gbr/index.html

With UK police under fire, Boris Johnson pushes new bill that could end peaceful protests

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:26:10
From: party_pants
ID: 1711113
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/uk/uk-crime-bill-sarah-everard-protests-clampdown-intl-gbr/index.html

With UK police under fire, Boris Johnson pushes new bill that could end peaceful protests

Boris Trump is just a British version of Donald Johnson.

As much as the poms like to point and laugh at America for electing the Donald, they are not doing much better for electing Boris, he really is just as dangerous to democracy.

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:30:19
From: sibeen
ID: 1711114
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/uk/uk-crime-bill-sarah-everard-protests-clampdown-intl-gbr/index.html

With UK police under fire, Boris Johnson pushes new bill that could end peaceful protests

Boris Trump is just a British version of Donald Johnson.

As much as the poms like to point and laugh at America for electing the Donald, they are not doing much better for electing Boris, he really is just as dangerous to democracy.

Oh rubbish. They aren’t even close. Hell, if an election was held today he’d probably win it. His approval rating is currently at 52%.

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:33:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711115
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/uk/uk-crime-bill-sarah-everard-protests-clampdown-intl-gbr/index.html

With UK police under fire, Boris Johnson pushes new bill that could end peaceful protests

Boris Trump is just a British version of Donald Johnson.

As much as the poms like to point and laugh at America for electing the Donald, they are not doing much better for electing Boris, he really is just as dangerous to democracy.

Oh rubbish. They aren’t even close. Hell, if an election was held today he’d probably win it. His approval rating is currently at 52%.

QED

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:38:16
From: party_pants
ID: 1711116
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/uk/uk-crime-bill-sarah-everard-protests-clampdown-intl-gbr/index.html

With UK police under fire, Boris Johnson pushes new bill that could end peaceful protests

Boris Trump is just a British version of Donald Johnson.

As much as the poms like to point and laugh at America for electing the Donald, they are not doing much better for electing Boris, he really is just as dangerous to democracy.

Oh rubbish. They aren’t even close. Hell, if an election was held today he’d probably win it. His approval rating is currently at 52%.

Which is proof of what I’m saying.

He has totally fucked up both Covid and Brexit, yet the press and the public still back him. The country is on the verge of ruin but nobody seems to be taking any heed. So long as he keeps ranting about how evil the EU are. the British public mindlessly fall for it. He’ll be privatising the NHS soon, running down the military. He’s already undermining democracy by appointing a cabinet minister from the HOL rather than the Commons (ie unelected), and now he’s trying to curtail peaceful protest. But he still can do no wrong in the eyes of the blind. Exactly the same sort of blindness as Trump supporters.

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:45:02
From: sibeen
ID: 1711118
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Boris Trump is just a British version of Donald Johnson.

As much as the poms like to point and laugh at America for electing the Donald, they are not doing much better for electing Boris, he really is just as dangerous to democracy.

Oh rubbish. They aren’t even close. Hell, if an election was held today he’d probably win it. His approval rating is currently at 52%.

Which is proof of what I’m saying.

He has totally fucked up both Covid and Brexit, yet the press and the public still back him. The country is on the verge of ruin but nobody seems to be taking any heed. So long as he keeps ranting about how evil the EU are. the British public mindlessly fall for it. He’ll be privatising the NHS soon, running down the military. He’s already undermining democracy by appointing a cabinet minister from the HOL rather than the Commons (ie unelected), and now he’s trying to curtail peaceful protest. But he still can do no wrong in the eyes of the blind. Exactly the same sort of blindness as Trump supporters.

Covid – all of Europe is fucked, singling out the UK is silly.

EU – Brexit has a long way to go, and with the covid shit going on no-one can actually really point to any statistics and make a claim at the moment. This one will take a few years to make a call on. Even so, it was a democratic decision by the nation, all major political parties against it and it still got across the line – maybe a few people supported it.

NHS – I haven’t heard any call that he has any intention of privatising it. He’s not that stupid and it won’t happen.

Military – surely the TORIES are all for a strong military?

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:46:13
From: party_pants
ID: 1711119
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If Brexit was a soccer match the UK just lost 0-5, and all of those 5 being own goals.

They are not just fucked, they’re fucking fucked.

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Date: 17/03/2021 00:47:29
From: furious
ID: 1711121
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I recall it was on the table as part of a UK US trade deal…

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:04:52
From: party_pants
ID: 1711122
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>> Covid – all of Europe is fucked, singling out the UK is silly. <<

Of course you can. Look at their graph on Worldometer.

*second wave – they were advised to go into a second lockdown in early September by SAGE. They didn’t do it till mid October. Look at the graphs. *Third wave – in the face of expert scientific advice they ended the second lockdown just before Christmas so as not to ruin Christmas. Result, massive spike in cases and quickly into a third wave worse than bot the first two combined.

Of course other EU countries fucked up too. But this does not excuse 120,000 deaths, many of which could have been avoided by following the scientific advice. It is a fair criticism in its own right.

>> EU – Brexit has a long way to go, and with the covid shit going on no-one can actually really point to any statistics and make a claim at the moment. This one will take a few years to make a call on. Even so, it was a democratic decision by the nation, all major political parties against it and it still got across the line – maybe a few people supported it. <<

the figures are starting to trickle in already. Trade down 41%. Fishing (the poster child of the Brexit negotiations) down 81%. These are not teething issues but permanent.

>> NHS – I haven’t heard any call that he has any intention of privatising it. He’s not that stupid and it won’t happen.

Military – surely the TORIES are all for a strong military? <<

These tow you can treat together. The government revenues are collapsing and they won’t be able to afford the spending without raising taxes. So they’ll make cuts instead. this is the Tory way.

The defence spending issue is the two aircraft carriers they built to operate F-35B aircraft. The carriers are super expensive. So are the planes. They are already cutting down on the planned procurement of around 90 aircraft to 48 because of the cost. This is not BoJo’s fault directly since the decision had already been made. But he won’t be able to afford to run them, so capacity will be run down.

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:07:09
From: party_pants
ID: 1711123
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Hell, that didn’t format as well as I intended. Sorry for the mess.

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:07:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711124
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


>> Covid – all of Europe is fucked, singling out the UK is silly. <<

Of course you can. Look at their graph on Worldometer.

  • first wave – they sent elderly patients to care homes without testing. Result: Covid went through aged care homes like a pandemic going through an aged care home
*second wave – they were advised to go into a second lockdown in early September by SAGE. They didn’t do it till mid October. Look at the graphs. *Third wave – in the face of expert scientific advice they ended the second lockdown just before Christmas so as not to ruin Christmas. Result, massive spike in cases and quickly into a third wave worse than bot the first two combined.

Of course other EU countries fucked up too. But this does not excuse 120,000 deaths, many of which could have been avoided by following the scientific advice. It is a fair criticism in its own right.

>> EU – Brexit has a long way to go, and with the covid shit going on no-one can actually really point to any statistics and make a claim at the moment. This one will take a few years to make a call on. Even so, it was a democratic decision by the nation, all major political parties against it and it still got across the line – maybe a few people supported it. <<

the figures are starting to trickle in already. Trade down 41%. Fishing (the poster child of the Brexit negotiations) down 81%. These are not teething issues but permanent.

>> NHS – I haven’t heard any call that he has any intention of privatising it. He’s not that stupid and it won’t happen.

Military – surely the TORIES are all for a strong military? <<

These tow you can treat together. The government revenues are collapsing and they won’t be able to afford the spending without raising taxes. So they’ll make cuts instead. this is the Tory way.

The defence spending issue is the two aircraft carriers they built to operate F-35B aircraft. The carriers are super expensive. So are the planes. They are already cutting down on the planned procurement of around 90 aircraft to 48 because of the cost. This is not BoJo’s fault directly since the decision had already been made. But he won’t be able to afford to run them, so capacity will be run down.

I believe that US companies already have some NH contracts. The lobbying is for more and more. Privatisation is happening. Slowly.

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:12:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1711126
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:

  • NHS – I haven’t heard any call that he has any intention of privatising it. He’s not that stupid and it won’t happen.

I recall it was on the table as part of a UK US trade deal…

Yes. It was discussed with Trump as president, along with adopting US food standards on chlorinated chicken, hormone treated beef and US washed eggs… along with a few other things contrary to current EU regulations.

Since Biden has taken over he has declared any new trade deals off the table until Covid is done and the US regains some economic certainty.

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:14:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711127
Subject: re: Aust Politics

thanks for the caring thoughts and kind words

now we’re wondering how the fuck AU managed to get through the last year without selling out Medicare* and achieving flock immunity**

*: yet

**: id est, achieving as much flock immunity as these other places did

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:15:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711128
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


furious said:
  • NHS – I haven’t heard any call that he has any intention of privatising it. He’s not that stupid and it won’t happen.

I recall it was on the table as part of a UK US trade deal…

Yes. It was discussed with Trump as president, along with adopting US food standards on chlorinated chicken, hormone treated beef and US washed eggs… along with a few other things contrary to current EU regulations.

Since Biden has taken over he has declared any new trade deals off the table until Covid is done and the US regains some economic certainty.

so Biden is saving Johnson’s arse

how ironic

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:18:58
From: furious
ID: 1711129
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Xenophobia…

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Date: 17/03/2021 01:21:28
From: party_pants
ID: 1711131
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:

furious said:
  • NHS – I haven’t heard any call that he has any intention of privatising it. He’s not that stupid and it won’t happen.

I recall it was on the table as part of a UK US trade deal…

Yes. It was discussed with Trump as president, along with adopting US food standards on chlorinated chicken, hormone treated beef and US washed eggs… along with a few other things contrary to current EU regulations.

Since Biden has taken over he has declared any new trade deals off the table until Covid is done and the US regains some economic certainty.

so Biden is saving Johnson’s arse

how ironic

No. Quite the oppoiste.

Johnson needs a free trade deal with the US and with China to offset the loss of trade with the EU.They are also angling for free trade with India and joining the CPTPP.

Biden has said no for now, so a US free trade deal is off the table. Even Obama said before the vote if the UK went through with Brexit they’d be at the back of the queue for a free trade deal. Add to this that Biden strongly identifies as American Irish and you can start to see this will not happen soon.

On the issue of China there is the Hong Kong question which fucks everything up. They’ll need to throw Honkers under a bus to get free trade with China.

India are protectionist and not really into free trsade with anyone.

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Date: 17/03/2021 09:00:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1711146
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:

  • now we’re wondering how the fuck AU managed to get through the last year without selling out Medicare* and achieving flock immunity**

Xenophobia…

Not entirely.

There’s a very persistent, if low-key, lobbying campaign in Canberra backed by private health funds and drug companies, predominantly American drug companies, for the privitisation of large parts of or the whole of Medicare.

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:26:51
From: transition
ID: 1711158
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/16/uk/uk-crime-bill-sarah-everard-protests-clampdown-intl-gbr/index.html

With UK police under fire, Boris Johnson pushes new bill that could end peaceful protests

might more facilitate civil action by private citizens, businesses and companies, for compensation regard disruption, loss of income, variously damages

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:28:10
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711159
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Australia’s PM want to shoot women protestors.

Stop being an Arsehole Scotty.

And you have to dump your AG and find someone better.

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:31:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1711160
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Australia’s PM want to shoot women protestors.

Stop being an Arsehole Scotty.

And you have to dump your AG and find someone better.

Could you provide a link to where he made this statement?

It seems a little extreme, even for a “Liberal”.

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:32:50
From: transition
ID: 1711163
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Australia’s PM want to shoot women protestors.

Stop being an Arsehole Scotty.

And you have to dump your AG and find someone better.

that’s quite a, how do I say, a wayward characterization perhaps

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:32:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Australia’s PM want to shoot women protestors.

Stop being an Arsehole Scotty.

And you have to dump your AG and find someone better.

Could you provide a link to where he made this statement?

It seems a little extreme, even for a “Liberal”.

Scott Morrison Hopes Women Are Thankful They’re Not Checks Notes Being Shot While Protesting

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:34:03
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Australia’s PM want to shoot women protestors.

Stop being an Arsehole Scotty.

And you have to dump your AG and find someone better.

Could you provide a link to where he made this statement?

It seems a little extreme, even for a “Liberal”.

How good’s Australia! We don’t shoot our protesters — not even female ones

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:36:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1711166
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Australia’s PM want to shoot women protestors.

Stop being an Arsehole Scotty.

And you have to dump your AG and find someone better.

Could you provide a link to where he made this statement?

It seems a little extreme, even for a “Liberal”.

Scott Morrison Hopes Women Are Thankful They’re Not Checks Notes Being Shot While Protesting

OK, that’s a despicable thing to say, but he didn’t say what you said he said.

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Date: 17/03/2021 10:36:28
From: transition
ID: 1711167
Subject: re: Aust Politics

you’re being absurd neutrino, take a chill pill and maybe have a little rest from getting your reality from TV, and digital news

go for a walk in the garden, or out in the bush somewhere

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Date: 17/03/2021 11:09:10
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711178
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


you’re being absurd neutrino, take a chill pill and maybe have a little rest from getting your reality from TV, and digital news

go for a walk in the garden, or out in the bush somewhere

I’m not being absurd, he said a despicable statement and he is still supporting a corrupt AG.

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Date: 17/03/2021 11:57:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711206
Subject: re: Aust Politics

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

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Date: 17/03/2021 11:59:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711212
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Paul Bongiorno: A sorry moment for the Prime Minister
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/03/15/paul-bongiorno-prime-minister-sorry/

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:06:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Paul Bongiorno: A sorry moment for the Prime Minister
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/03/15/paul-bongiorno-prime-minister-sorry/

>Women across the political spectrum are “roaring” with one voice.

Realistically, the Liberals are unlikely to believe that and I suspect they’re right. The great majority of the protesters are not people who vote conservative.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:08:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711218
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Paul Bongiorno: A sorry moment for the Prime Minister
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/03/15/paul-bongiorno-prime-minister-sorry/

>Women across the political spectrum are “roaring” with one voice.

Realistically, the Liberals are unlikely to believe that and I suspect they’re right. The great majority of the protesters are not people who vote conservative.

I liked this comment, ‘Hopefully the Quiet Australians, both men and women, are starting to see through the carefully spun persona of “the goofy dad fom the shire”. In reality, much closer to your every day creep.’

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:10:27
From: furious
ID: 1711223
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Paul Bongiorno: A sorry moment for the Prime Minister
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/03/15/paul-bongiorno-prime-minister-sorry/

>Women across the political spectrum are “roaring” with one voice.

Realistically, the Liberals are unlikely to believe that and I suspect they’re right. The great majority of the protesters are not people who vote conservative.

I liked this comment, ‘Hopefully the Quiet Australians, both men and women, are starting to see through the carefully spun persona of “the goofy dad fom the shire”. In reality, much closer to your every day creep.’

I think all that would happen if he turned up to the protest would be him being booed quite loudly, even more so if he attempted to address the crowd. What does that gain for anyone?

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:10:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711224
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Paul Bongiorno: A sorry moment for the Prime Minister
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/03/15/paul-bongiorno-prime-minister-sorry/

>Women across the political spectrum are “roaring” with one voice.

Realistically, the Liberals are unlikely to believe that and I suspect they’re right. The great majority of the protesters are not people who vote conservative.

so what you’re saying is that protesters could be around 88% of Western Australians

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:11:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711225
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Paul Bongiorno: A sorry moment for the Prime Minister
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/03/15/paul-bongiorno-prime-minister-sorry/

>Women across the political spectrum are “roaring” with one voice.

Realistically, the Liberals are unlikely to believe that and I suspect they’re right. The great majority of the protesters are not people who vote conservative.

I liked this comment, ‘Hopefully the Quiet Australians, both men and women, are starting to see through the carefully spun persona of “the goofy dad fom the shire”. In reality, much closer to your every day creep.’

are they different things

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:12:40
From: buffy
ID: 1711227
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>Women across the political spectrum are “roaring” with one voice.

Realistically, the Liberals are unlikely to believe that and I suspect they’re right. The great majority of the protesters are not people who vote conservative.

I liked this comment, ‘Hopefully the Quiet Australians, both men and women, are starting to see through the carefully spun persona of “the goofy dad fom the shire”. In reality, much closer to your every day creep.’

I think all that would happen if he turned up to the protest would be him being booed quite loudly, even more so if he attempted to address the crowd. What does that gain for anyone?

He doesn’t need to speak. He needs to listen.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:13:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1711229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

I don’t even think it’s a veiled threat.

It just an attempt for the government to get some credit from a demonstration critical of government inaction.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:13:11
From: Tamb
ID: 1711230
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>Women across the political spectrum are “roaring” with one voice.

Realistically, the Liberals are unlikely to believe that and I suspect they’re right. The great majority of the protesters are not people who vote conservative.

I liked this comment, ‘Hopefully the Quiet Australians, both men and women, are starting to see through the carefully spun persona of “the goofy dad fom the shire”. In reality, much closer to your every day creep.’

are they different things

With whom would you replace him?

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:13:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


furious said:

sarahs mum said:

I liked this comment, ‘Hopefully the Quiet Australians, both men and women, are starting to see through the carefully spun persona of “the goofy dad fom the shire”. In reality, much closer to your every day creep.’

I think all that would happen if he turned up to the protest would be him being booed quite loudly, even more so if he attempted to address the crowd. What does that gain for anyone?

He doesn’t need to speak. He needs to listen.

shakes hands

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:14:48
From: furious
ID: 1711232
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


furious said:

sarahs mum said:

I liked this comment, ‘Hopefully the Quiet Australians, both men and women, are starting to see through the carefully spun persona of “the goofy dad fom the shire”. In reality, much closer to your every day creep.’

I think all that would happen if he turned up to the protest would be him being booed quite loudly, even more so if he attempted to address the crowd. What does that gain for anyone?

He doesn’t need to speak. He needs to listen.

He can listen from a distance, it was televised. Turning up gains no one anything. He’d be booed. He’d be criticised for showing up. He’d cop abuse. He’d detract from the moment…

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:15:29
From: party_pants
ID: 1711233
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

I don’t even think it’s a veiled threat.

It just an attempt for the government to get some credit from a demonstration critical of government inaction.

In a modern liberal democracy you don’t get credits for not shooting people.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:15:33
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711234
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

I don’t even think it’s a veiled threat.

It just an attempt for the government to get some credit from a demonstration critical of government inaction.

I don’t think it was a threat either. He just added that when he should have stopped after the first bit. He made a clumsy point.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:16:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711236
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A neatly hand-written note in my letterbox from someone in Kings Meadows, saying:

DEAR NEIGHBOUR,

AS A SENIOR, I CANNOT SAFELY VISIT YOU AT THIS TIME, SO I AM WRITING TO INVITE YOU TO A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WILL BE ATTENDED BY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. IT IS THE ANNIVERSARY OF JESUS DEATH.

Continues with another paragraph and a little JW pamphlet. Presumably there was one sent to every address in the state.

That’s a lot of handwriting and a lot of stamps.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:18:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711237
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


A neatly hand-written note in my letterbox from someone in Kings Meadows, saying:

DEAR NEIGHBOUR,

AS A SENIOR, I CANNOT SAFELY VISIT YOU AT THIS TIME, SO I AM WRITING TO INVITE YOU TO A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WILL BE ATTENDED BY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. IT IS THE ANNIVERSARY OF JESUS DEATH.

Continues with another paragraph and a little JW pamphlet. Presumably there was one sent to every address in the state.

That’s a lot of handwriting and a lot of stamps.

…was for chat.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:18:32
From: buffy
ID: 1711238
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


buffy said:

furious said:

I think all that would happen if he turned up to the protest would be him being booed quite loudly, even more so if he attempted to address the crowd. What does that gain for anyone?

He doesn’t need to speak. He needs to listen.

He can listen from a distance, it was televised. Turning up gains no one anything. He’d be booed. He’d be criticised for showing up. He’d cop abuse. He’d detract from the moment…

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:19:04
From: Cymek
ID: 1711240
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

I don’t even think it’s a veiled threat.

It just an attempt for the government to get some credit from a demonstration critical of government inaction.

In a modern liberal democracy you don’t get credits for not shooting people.

That was a pretty stupid comment to make wasn’t it

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:19:40
From: Cymek
ID: 1711241
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


A neatly hand-written note in my letterbox from someone in Kings Meadows, saying:

DEAR NEIGHBOUR,

AS A SENIOR, I CANNOT SAFELY VISIT YOU AT THIS TIME, SO I AM WRITING TO INVITE YOU TO A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WILL BE ATTENDED BY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. IT IS THE ANNIVERSARY OF JESUS DEATH.

Continues with another paragraph and a little JW pamphlet. Presumably there was one sent to every address in the state.

That’s a lot of handwriting and a lot of stamps.

Chance to mingle ?

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:21:08
From: furious
ID: 1711243
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


furious said:

buffy said:

He doesn’t need to speak. He needs to listen.

He can listen from a distance, it was televised. Turning up gains no one anything. He’d be booed. He’d be criticised for showing up. He’d cop abuse. He’d detract from the moment…

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:21:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1711245
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

I don’t even think it’s a veiled threat.

It just an attempt for the government to get some credit from a demonstration critical of government inaction.

I don’t think it was a threat either. He just added that when he should have stopped after the first bit. He made a clumsy point.

I’m not defending him. As I said before, it was a despicable comment.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:24:24
From: buffy
ID: 1711248
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


buffy said:

furious said:

He can listen from a distance, it was televised. Turning up gains no one anything. He’d be booed. He’d be criticised for showing up. He’d cop abuse. He’d detract from the moment…

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

No, not like that. He showed up at the bushfires and forced himself on people.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:25:19
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711250
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


buffy said:

furious said:

He can listen from a distance, it was televised. Turning up gains no one anything. He’d be booed. He’d be criticised for showing up. He’d cop abuse. He’d detract from the moment…

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

ahhhh so only go to places where people want you. How good is being PM?

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:26:51
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711252
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t even think it’s a veiled threat.

It just an attempt for the government to get some credit from a demonstration critical of government inaction.

I don’t think it was a threat either. He just added that when he should have stopped after the first bit. He made a clumsy point.

I’m not defending him. As I said before, it was a despicable comment.

weren’t saying you were.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:27:05
From: furious
ID: 1711253
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


furious said:

buffy said:

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

ahhhh so only go to places where people want you. How good is being PM?

I don’t want to sound like I’m defending the man but if you cop criticism for doing something and you cop criticism for not doing something then the easiest choice is to not do anything…

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:28:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


furious said:

buffy said:

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

No, not like that. He showed up at the bushfires and forced himself on people.

He also has a habit of talkng over women or walking away when they are speaking.

I agree that he would not have been welcomed by the protestors. But he could have said something positive on the floor of the house. He didn’t.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:29:56
From: furious
ID: 1711255
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I agree…

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:30:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1711256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I don’t think it was a threat either. He just added that when he should have stopped after the first bit. He made a clumsy point.

I’m not defending him. As I said before, it was a despicable comment.

weren’t saying you were.

I didn’t say you said I was :)

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:30:57
From: transition
ID: 1711257
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:31:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711258
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:

  • But he could have said something positive on the floor of the house. He didn’t.

I agree…

Seems he thought: “How good is not being shot?” sounded positive enough.

He is indeed coming across as increasingly creepy.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:32:47
From: Michael V
ID: 1711259
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


buffy said:

furious said:

He can listen from a distance, it was televised. Turning up gains no one anything. He’d be booed. He’d be criticised for showing up. He’d cop abuse. He’d detract from the moment…

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

He didn’t listen then either. Especially that distraught woman in Cobargo who had lost everything. The woman he forced to shake hands.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:34:36
From: Michael V
ID: 1711260
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

furious said:

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

No, not like that. He showed up at the bushfires and forced himself on people.

He also has a habit of talkng over women or walking away when they are speaking.

I agree that he would not have been welcomed by the protestors. But he could have said something positive on the floor of the house. He didn’t.

Nods.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:34:37
From: Tamb
ID: 1711261
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think


I took it to mean that it is a triumph of our democracy that we don’t resort to violence, when other democracies in similar circumstances, shoot people.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:36:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711264
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

ahhhh so only go to places where people want you. How good is being PM?

I don’t want to sound like I’m defending the man but if you cop criticism for doing something and you cop criticism for not doing something then the easiest choice is to not do anything…

No it isn’t. Be a leader.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:37:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711265
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


furious said:

buffy said:

I disagree. He could stand at the back, keep his mouth shut and listen. It would be an indication that he was prepared to listen. Watching the televised version is not a public listening.

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

He didn’t listen then either. Especially that distraught woman in Cobargo who had lost everything. The woman he forced to shake hands.

She still has nothing.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:37:55
From: transition
ID: 1711266
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


furious said:
  • But he could have said something positive on the floor of the house. He didn’t.

I agree…

Seems he thought: “How good is not being shot?” sounded positive enough.

He is indeed coming across as increasingly creepy.

there are other ways of seeing the creepiness you apparently feel (or are projecting), say you’re part of a force generating siege, you might spin that as creepiness as a distraction

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:38:12
From: furious
ID: 1711267
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

ahhhh so only go to places where people want you. How good is being PM?

I don’t want to sound like I’m defending the man but if you cop criticism for doing something and you cop criticism for not doing something then the easiest choice is to not do anything…

No it isn’t. Be a leader.

Which brings us back to who we are talking about. He isn’t…

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:39:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1711268
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think


I took it to mean that it is a triumph of our democracy that we don’t resort to violence, when other democracies in similar circumstances, shoot people.

I wonder if Scotty really does think that a few rapes are okay considering elsewhere you’d be shot?

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:39:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711270
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

furious said:

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

He didn’t listen then either. Especially that distraught woman in Cobargo who had lost everything. The woman he forced to shake hands.

She still has nothing.

But a woman from Sydney’s leafy north shore got a grant to make mead.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:39:54
From: buffy
ID: 1711271
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

furious said:

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

No, not like that. He showed up at the bushfires and forced himself on people.

He also has a habit of talkng over women or walking away when they are speaking.

I agree that he would not have been welcomed by the protestors. But he could have said something positive on the floor of the house. He didn’t.

He would not have been welcomed, I agree. But attending and listening would show a lot more courage on his part than using parliamentary privilege to make off the cuff remarks which hadn’t been properly thought about.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:40:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1711272
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:

  • But he could have said something positive on the floor of the house. He didn’t.

I agree…

“Ladies drink for free ?”

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:41:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711273
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m just impatient for six months to pass to see where any of this has gone.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:42:32
From: party_pants
ID: 1711274
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Tamb said:

transition said:

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think


I took it to mean that it is a triumph of our democracy that we don’t resort to violence, when other democracies in similar circumstances, shoot people.

I wonder if Scotty really does think that a few rapes are okay considering elsewhere you’d be shot?

I think it is more a case of “why are people bothering me with this stuff? It isn’t on my planned list of things to do”.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:43:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711275
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


I’m just impatient for six months to pass to see where any of this has gone.

I think ScoMo’s plans for an early election are crumbling.

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:49:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711280
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t even think it’s a veiled threat.

It just an attempt for the government to get some credit from a demonstration critical of government inaction.

I don’t think it was a threat either. He just added that when he should have stopped after the first bit. He made a clumsy point.

I’m not defending him. As I said before, it was a despicable comment.

It Does Raise A Good Point Though

how much peaceful protest is the right amount

if there never is any, then are you perfectly in tune with your people, or are you totali’ in control of your people, and are they really different things

if everyone is always protesting, then are you perfectly actively continually improving, or are you so shit that there is no hope to improve but to take to the streets

maybe exp(-1) is the right amount of protest

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Date: 17/03/2021 12:51:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711284
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think

you mean we really can’t see the evidence (A) that this democracy is liberal and-or vibrant, or that (B) not far from here such marches even now are being met with bullets, or that © democracy is triumphing in this country (.) because fair point we really don’t

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Date: 17/03/2021 13:00:31
From: transition
ID: 1711291
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think

you mean we really can’t see the evidence (A) that this democracy is liberal and-or vibrant, or that (B) not far from here such marches even now are being met with bullets, or that © democracy is triumphing in this country (.) because fair point we really don’t

what I said stands, you can’t substantiate or justify what you said, your proposition being it was in some way a veiled threat

it’s bullshit generated in your head, secondhand and worse from elsewhere probably

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Date: 17/03/2021 13:03:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1711292
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

furious said:

Like when he showed up to the bush fires and no one wanted him there?

He didn’t listen then either. Especially that distraught woman in Cobargo who had lost everything. The woman he forced to shake hands.

She still has nothing.

Except…

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Date: 17/03/2021 13:04:22
From: Michael V
ID: 1711293
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Tamb said:

transition said:

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think


I took it to mean that it is a triumph of our democracy that we don’t resort to violence, when other democracies in similar circumstances, shoot people.

I wonder if Scotty really does think that a few rapes are okay considering elsewhere you’d be shot?

Hmmmmmm…

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Date: 17/03/2021 13:37:41
From: dv
ID: 1711304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A member of an outlaw motorcycle gang and self-proclaimed Nazi alleged that he was discriminated against in prison for his political views, but his claim has been struck out by the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal.

Aaron Hudson, who is connected to the Nomads bikie gang, pleaded guilty to threatening his ex-girlfriend and her new partner in May 2019.

He was sentenced to more than four years in prison.

While in prison, he said guards had withheld his vegetarian meals and medical attention, his purchase requests for items in prison were ignored, and he was told there would be consequences if he made further complaints about his property going missing.

——

What does he expect if he is going around calling himself a vegetarian?

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Date: 17/03/2021 13:52:13
From: Cymek
ID: 1711307
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

A member of an outlaw motorcycle gang and self-proclaimed Nazi alleged that he was discriminated against in prison for his political views, but his claim has been struck out by the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal.

Aaron Hudson, who is connected to the Nomads bikie gang, pleaded guilty to threatening his ex-girlfriend and her new partner in May 2019.

He was sentenced to more than four years in prison.

While in prison, he said guards had withheld his vegetarian meals and medical attention, his purchase requests for items in prison were ignored, and he was told there would be consequences if he made further complaints about his property going missing.

——

What does he expect if he is going around calling himself a vegetarian?

Imagine if he said I’m vegan, daily beatings and water boarding, shelfing of sharp objects

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Date: 17/03/2021 14:01:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-to-send-8-000-astrazeneca-jabs-to-png-as-country-s-covid-19-crisis-worsens

‘Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has spoken with Mr Morrison about the risk the spread of the virus in PNG poses to her state.

“The Commonwealth government has been very good in this space, they’ve often reached out at times of need of our Pacific Island neighbours,’ she said on Tuesday.

Most of the positive test results in PNG are amongst the general population.

But about 40 per cent of samples from workers, including FIFO workers, at PNG’s Ok Tedi mine have also come back positive.’

‘Meanwhile six refugees formerly detained on Manus Island have tested positive for COVID-19 in Papua New Guinea in recent days, intensifying calls for them to be brought to Australia.

PNG is suffering a worsening outbreak of the virus, which Australia’s Health Minister Greg Hunt said on Tuesday poses a “clear and present danger” to both nations.’

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Date: 17/03/2021 14:09:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
we don’t like the Marketing but in fairness the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil

you really have no evidence to substantiate that, or to justify it, I would think

you mean we really can’t see the evidence (A) that this democracy is liberal and-or vibrant, or that (B) not far from here such marches even now are being met with bullets, or that © democracy is triumphing in this country (.) because fair point we really don’t

what I said stands, you can’t substantiate or justify what you said, your proposition being it was in some way a veiled threat

it’s bullshit generated in your head, secondhand and worse from elsewhere probably

imagine one’s own thoughts being in one’s own head, but we agree, the bullshit is probably secondhand, but not elsewhere, but from what we’re responding to, so where is that from

let’s reiterate we’re being fair here the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil videre licet

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets”

so why are you focusing on the selective quoting

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Date: 17/03/2021 14:15:44
From: transition
ID: 1711320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:
SCIENCE said:

you mean we really can’t see the evidence (A) that this democracy is liberal and-or vibrant, or that (B) not far from here such marches even now are being met with bullets, or that © democracy is triumphing in this country (.) because fair point we really don’t

what I said stands, you can’t substantiate or justify what you said, your proposition being it was in some way a veiled threat

it’s bullshit generated in your head, secondhand and worse from elsewhere probably

imagine one’s own thoughts being in one’s own head, but we agree, the bullshit is probably secondhand, but not elsewhere, but from what we’re responding to, so where is that from

let’s reiterate we’re being fair here the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil videre licet

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets”

so why are you focusing on the selective quoting

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

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Date: 17/03/2021 14:17:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711323
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

what I said stands, you can’t substantiate or justify what you said, your proposition being it was in some way a veiled threat

it’s bullshit generated in your head, secondhand and worse from elsewhere probably

imagine one’s own thoughts being in one’s own head, but we agree, the bullshit is probably secondhand, but not elsewhere, but from what we’re responding to, so where is that from

let’s reiterate we’re being fair here the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil videre licet

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets”

so why are you focusing on the selective quoting

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

here’s an example just for you

Politicians have long used defamation law to protect their personal reputations and as a strategic tool in shaping political communication

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Date: 17/03/2021 14:24:19
From: transition
ID: 1711326
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine one’s own thoughts being in one’s own head, but we agree, the bullshit is probably secondhand, but not elsewhere, but from what we’re responding to, so where is that from

let’s reiterate we’re being fair here the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil videre licet

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets”

so why are you focusing on the selective quoting

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

here’s an example just for you

Politicians have long used defamation law to protect their personal reputations and as a strategic tool in shaping political communication

do you have any original material from your own experience on earth

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Date: 17/03/2021 14:28:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711327
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

here’s an example just for you

Politicians have long used defamation law to protect their personal reputations and as a strategic tool in shaping political communication

do you have any original material from your own experience on earth

excellent philosophical question and no if we have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:27:23
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711384
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

what I said stands, you can’t substantiate or justify what you said, your proposition being it was in some way a veiled threat

it’s bullshit generated in your head, secondhand and worse from elsewhere probably

imagine one’s own thoughts being in one’s own head, but we agree, the bullshit is probably secondhand, but not elsewhere, but from what we’re responding to, so where is that from

let’s reiterate we’re being fair here the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil videre licet

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets”

so why are you focusing on the selective quoting

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

LOL, maybe take that advice yourself sometimes Transition. Might make your posts more comprehensible. Though these stoushes between you and SCIENCE have amused me.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:29:17
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711386
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:31:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711388
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

Sounds like she’s in the wrong party.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:33:53
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711390
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

Sounds like she’s in the wrong party.

The Liberal party is dying slowly.

A few more years and it might be gone for good.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:36:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711392
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine one’s own thoughts being in one’s own head, but we agree, the bullshit is probably secondhand, but not elsewhere, but from what we’re responding to, so where is that from

let’s reiterate we’re being fair here the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil videre licet

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets”

so why are you focusing on the selective quoting

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

LOL, maybe take that advice yourself sometimes Transition. Might make your posts more comprehensible. Though these stoushes between you and SCIENCE have amused me.

what stoush, we are merely conduits for knowledge, knowledge does not fight

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:38:08
From: Cymek
ID: 1711394
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

LOL, maybe take that advice yourself sometimes Transition. Might make your posts more comprehensible. Though these stoushes between you and SCIENCE have amused me.

what stoush, we are merely conduits for knowledge, knowledge does not fight

What about a right to party ?

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:38:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711395
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

Sounds like she’s in the wrong party.

She spoke out against the Indue card. And then voted for it.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:40:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711396
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In exchange, the dole will be increased by $25 per week.

——

Nnnn.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:40:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

Sounds like she’s in the wrong party.

She spoke out against the Indue card. And then voted for it.

It’s a funny old world.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:42:03
From: party_pants
ID: 1711398
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Sounds like she’s in the wrong party.

She spoke out against the Indue card. And then voted for it.

It’s a funny old world.

Not really. That is how the party system works in politics.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:43:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711399
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

In exchange, the dole will be increased by $25 per week.

——

Nnnn.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:47:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711400
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Broad gauge saddle tank of the GWR, circa 1890. Named Ostrich but these big tall-chimney saddle tanks tend to remind me of rhinos.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:50:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711404
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Broad gauge saddle tank of the GWR, circa 1890. Named Ostrich but these big tall-chimney saddle tanks tend to remind me of rhinos.


Silly design, driver and stoker get wet when its raining.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:51:03
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1711405
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:51:12
From: transition
ID: 1711406
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine one’s own thoughts being in one’s own head, but we agree, the bullshit is probably secondhand, but not elsewhere, but from what we’re responding to, so where is that from

let’s reiterate we’re being fair here the fuller quote always seems to be

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets — but not here in this country. This is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place.”

it’s still a veiled threat but selective quoting merely removes the veil videre licet

“This is a vibrant liberal democracy. Not far from here, such marches, even now, are being met with bullets”

so why are you focusing on the selective quoting

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

LOL, maybe take that advice yourself sometimes Transition. Might make your posts more comprehensible. Though these stoushes between you and SCIENCE have amused me.

yeah, derrr, I still haven’t forgotten I was talking with science, much as it might further amuse you if I did forget, I didn’t, haven’t

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:51:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

Doesn’t make much difference when they then feel obliged to vote on party lines.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:54:44
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

how about you be so bold as to extract what exactly you think the veiled threat is, state it explicitly, save a lot of nonsense

LOL, maybe take that advice yourself sometimes Transition. Might make your posts more comprehensible. Though these stoushes between you and SCIENCE have amused me.

yeah, derrr, I still haven’t forgotten I was talking with science, much as it might further amuse you if I did forget, I didn’t, haven’t

he just leaves you for dead. and you get annoyed. so yeah, it amuses me.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:56:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1711415
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

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Date: 17/03/2021 17:58:45
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711416
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/17/2021/1615956941/above-politics

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:01:18
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1711419
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

and didn’t craig kelly get told to pull his head in?

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:09:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711426
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

and didn’t craig kelly get told to pull his head in?

He did, it went over his head, but not into it.

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:16:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1711428
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

and didn’t craig kelly get told to pull his head in?

He did, it went over his head, but not into it.

You can say things to him, but it does not mean that he comprehends everything that’s been said.

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:30:20
From: Cymek
ID: 1711432
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

I wonder how often party politicians vote with the party even if they think its bullocks

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:33:37
From: party_pants
ID: 1711433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

I wonder how often party politicians vote with the party even if they think its bullocks

monthly basis I reckon.

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:41:45
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1711434
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/federal-liberal-mp-breaks-ranks-to-criticise-very-unhelpful-welfare-rules

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

They have something very similar called the Federal Council.
Issues decided there are non binding.

A classic example of the differences was the last Republic referendum.
60% of libs were for remaining a constitutional monarchy while 40% were for a Republic.
The PM (Howard) was a monarchist while the Treasurer (Costello) was a Republican, it doesn’t get more egalitarian than that.
The Borg were 100% for a Republic.

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:45:17
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1711435
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

They have something very similar called the Federal Council.
Issues decided there are non binding.

A classic example of the differences was the last Republic referendum.
60% of libs were for remaining a constitutional monarchy while 40% were for a Republic.
The PM (Howard) was a monarchist while the Treasurer (Costello) was a Republican, it doesn’t get more egalitarian than that.
The Borg were 100% for a Republic.

But there is no grassroots mechanism to determine party policy. It’s all top down.

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:51:08
From: Cymek
ID: 1711436
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

I wonder how often party politicians vote with the party even if they think its bullocks

monthly basis I reckon.

It must be common yeah

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:51:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711437
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

I wonder how often party politicians vote with the party even if they think its bullocks

T’would be easier to wonder how many times they didn’t.

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:53:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711438
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

They have something very similar called the Federal Council.
Issues decided there are non binding.

A classic example of the differences was the last Republic referendum.
60% of libs were for remaining a constitutional monarchy while 40% were for a Republic.
The PM (Howard) was a monarchist while the Treasurer (Costello) was a Republican, it doesn’t get more egalitarian than that.
The Borg were 100% for a Republic.

But there is no grassroots mechanism to determine party policy. It’s all top down.

From the Business council of Aust and the IPA down.

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:54:40
From: Cymek
ID: 1711439
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

They have something very similar called the Federal Council.
Issues decided there are non binding.

A classic example of the differences was the last Republic referendum.
60% of libs were for remaining a constitutional monarchy while 40% were for a Republic.
The PM (Howard) was a monarchist while the Treasurer (Costello) was a Republican, it doesn’t get more egalitarian than that.
The Borg were 100% for a Republic.

Liberals are Ferengi if they are from Star Trek but harsher and less caring about anything except latinum

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Date: 17/03/2021 18:54:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They have something very similar called the Federal Council.
Issues decided there are non binding.

A classic example of the differences was the last Republic referendum.
60% of libs were for remaining a constitutional monarchy while 40% were for a Republic.
The PM (Howard) was a monarchist while the Treasurer (Costello) was a Republican, it doesn’t get more egalitarian than that.
The Borg were 100% for a Republic.

But there is no grassroots mechanism to determine party policy. It’s all top down.

From the Business council of Aust and the IPA down.

Not to mention Rupert.

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Date: 17/03/2021 19:01:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1711442
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That’s what makes the Liberal part so good and so successful, it’s a broad church where individuals have the freedom to express their views without fear or favour unlike the Borg.

We have explained this to you before that this is bullshit. I imagine you’ve just missed that the Liberal Party doesn’t have state or national conferences where all members get to vote on party policy so we forgive you.

I wonder how often party politicians vote with the party even if they think its bullocks

The Liberal party members have a proud tradition of crossing the floor when they feel strongly about an issue.

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Date: 17/03/2021 19:04:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

But there is no grassroots mechanism to determine party policy. It’s all top down.

From the Business council of Aust and the IPA down.

Not to mention Rupert.

He’s in on both of them.

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Date: 17/03/2021 19:09:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1711445
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

Not to mention Rupert.

No, you’re not to mention Rupert.

He’s always there, in the background, but no-one is allowed to acknowledge that.

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Date: 17/03/2021 19:12:05
From: Cymek
ID: 1711448
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

Not to mention Rupert.

No, you’re not to mention Rupert.

He’s always there, in the background, but no-one is allowed to acknowledge that.

In the shadows cackling away, wearing a cowl, with a shit eater grin looking much like Emperor Palpatine

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Date: 17/03/2021 19:12:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They have something very similar called the Federal Council.
Issues decided there are non binding.

A classic example of the differences was the last Republic referendum.
60% of libs were for remaining a constitutional monarchy while 40% were for a Republic.
The PM (Howard) was a monarchist while the Treasurer (Costello) was a Republican, it doesn’t get more egalitarian than that.
The Borg were 100% for a Republic.

But there is no grassroots mechanism to determine party policy. It’s all top down.

From the Business council of Aust and the IPA down.

According to Michael West more than half of companies in the BCA are foreign nationals and all of the major tax avoiders are in said group.

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Date: 17/03/2021 19:55:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1711455
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Not to mention Rupert.

No, you’re not to mention Rupert.

He’s always there, in the background, but no-one is allowed to acknowledge that.

In the shadows cackling away, wearing a cowl, with a shit eater grin looking much like Emperor Palpatine

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Date: 17/03/2021 20:27:51
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711472
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Jodi McKay MP
4 hrs ·
The Upper House has just referred Gladys Berejiklian to ICAC over two additional schemes of Daryl Maguire’s.

These matters have come to light since ICAC’s inquiry into Maguire revealed the Premier’s knowledge of his various business deals.

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Date: 17/03/2021 21:25:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/17/2021/1615956941/above-politics

The bro code

“We should’ve bombed the women’s march.”
ABC News

Private school boys have been reported over misogynistic comments made on a bus after Monday’s March 4 Justice. Violence against protesters, who would suggest such a thing?

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Date: 17/03/2021 21:29:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711476
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Jodi McKay MP
4 hrs ·
The Upper House has just referred Gladys Berejiklian to ICAC over two additional schemes of Daryl Maguire’s.

These matters have come to light since ICAC’s inquiry into Maguire revealed the Premier’s knowledge of his various business deals.

garbage, she’s entitled to the presumption of innocence, this is just libel, defamation

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Date: 17/03/2021 21:35:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1711477
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

Jodi McKay MP
4 hrs ·
The Upper House has just referred Gladys Berejiklian to ICAC over two additional schemes of Daryl Maguire’s.

These matters have come to light since ICAC’s inquiry into Maguire revealed the Premier’s knowledge of his various business deals.

garbage, she’s entitled to the presumption of innocence, this is just libel, defamation

Take a few weeks paid leave, Gladys, it’ll all blow over.

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Date: 17/03/2021 22:31:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711496
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Another defamation, this time from the parliamentarily privileged, revisiting an investigation that already concluded and found the allegation to be ‘not substantiated’ and considered evidence provided by all interviewees.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/cassy-oconnor-andrew-hudgson-sexist-language-parliament/13257180

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Date: 17/03/2021 23:00:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711502
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Another defamation, this time from the parliamentarily privileged, revisiting an investigation that already concluded and found the allegation to be ‘not substantiated’ and considered evidence provided by all interviewees.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/cassy-oconnor-andrew-hudgson-sexist-language-parliament/13257180

It doesn’t really surprise me. People say terrible things about Greens down here. They put threatening bumper stickers on their cars.

And Cassie is a hard talker. And she isn’t what one would call a classical beauty.

They’ve probably said worse.

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Date: 17/03/2021 23:11:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711504
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Well, 1 Out Of 3 Ain’t Bad, Hey¿

Nah this is probably just your ABC being all defamatory again, they’re just making things up, they’re probably being paid by CHINA to write these things and misdirect our attention.

(1) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/wa-parliament-targeted-cyber-attack/13253926
Western Australia’s parliamentary email network was hit by suspected CHINESE hackers earlier this month as part of a massive global cyber-attack involving Microsoft software.

(2) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/asio-director-intelligence-language-change-islamic-extremism/13256828
ASIO cracks ‘Nest of Spies’ seeking access to Australia’s Defence secrets … Mr Burgess also revealed the organisation removed a “nest of spies” from Australia, with the total number of foreign operatives kicked out of the country reaching “double figures” in the past year. “One of ASIO’s investigations focused on a nest of spies, from a particular foreign intelligence service, that was operating in Australia,” he said. “The spies developed targeted relationships with current and former politicians, a foreign embassy and a state police service.” The ABC has confirmed the country behind the foreign spy ring was not CHINA.

(3) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/vladimir-putin-approved-operations-to-help-donald-trump/100014502
Russian President Vladimir Putin authorised influence operations to help Donald Trump in last November’s presidential election, according to a declassified intelligence assessment that found broad efforts by the Kremlin and Iran to shape the outcome of the race. Tuesday’s report, however, says CHINA ultimately did not interfere on either side and “considered but did not deploy” influence operations aimed at affecting the outcome.

⚠ OK we’ll come clean. We Love Australia And We Want To See Strong Leadership Projecting Into Our Oceania-Asia Sphere Of Influence. That means getting smarter about National Security and shit like that, including targeting the Right threats and not the Left Wrong ones. Sure, it can be in operational interests to point the finger in one direction and actually strike out in another, wegeddit, but since we must tell you that We Are Not Employed By Government Security Agencies we can freely say it straight — oh yeah obviously that means it probably really is 3 out of 3!/2!

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Date: 17/03/2021 23:39:12
From: dv
ID: 1711506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/taxpayers-ecstatic-at-prospect-of-funding-both-sides-of-paid-leave-porters-defamation-case/

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Date: 18/03/2021 07:37:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1711527
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A man without a plan

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Date: 18/03/2021 07:53:39
From: transition
ID: 1711528
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


A man without a plan

interestingly perhaps the caption below the photo says “For all his political strengths……” and the expression on the chap’s face appears to be one of horror

who, when in a state of horror, is ever in a state of strength, optimal state that way or in any way, but I guess if a reader ignored the insanity of the siege and horror generated it all might make perfect sense

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Date: 18/03/2021 13:32:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It is good and right, Mr Speaker, that so many are able to gather here in this way, whether in our capital or elsewhere, and to do so peacefully to talk too much and play a role. Not far from here, such individuals, even now, are being called Olympig. But not here in this country. This is a triumph of western cultural and political superiority when we see these things take place.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-18/tokyo-games-hiroshi-sasaki-resigns-called-naomi-watanabe-olympig/100016086

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:04:57
From: dv
ID: 1711752
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:07:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1711753
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

I hope it’s not all going to his head.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:11:05
From: party_pants
ID: 1711755
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

I don’t think that is a good idea. Such a heavy workload job probably should be given to one person.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:11:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1711756
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The unemployment figure now has a 5 in front of it, probably go up a tad when jobkeeper comes off.
Still a remarkable figure.
60%vof the new jobs were women.
I wonder if the job figures for say Bangladesh would say something like 20% of the new jobs were children.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:13:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1711757
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

*remembers when Wran was Premier, Treasurer, Minister for Police, Minister for Gaming.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:16:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1711758
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

*remembers when Wran was Premier, Treasurer, Minister for Police, Minister for Gaming.

You couldn’t get anything done in NSW then, unless you met with Nev. And took a brown paper bag with you.

If the bag’s contents met with Nev’s approval, then you could, indeed, get anything done.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:18:44
From: Cymek
ID: 1711759
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

I don’t think that is a good idea. Such a heavy workload job probably should be given to one person.

Perhaps its so he can approve the good biscuits for the work kitchen

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:20:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711760
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so what are we(1,1,1) all saying, do we make the ICAC referral preemptively now or what

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:21:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1711761
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

I don’t think that is a good idea. Such a heavy workload job probably should be given to one person.

I’d reckon he’s only holding the place until he finds out who is in his parliament.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:21:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1711762
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Marky Mark has named himself WA treasurer.

Does seem weird while there are so many bums and so few chairs but I guess no one is going to argue.

*remembers when Wran was Premier, Treasurer, Minister for Police, Minister for Gaming.

That’s because he was also in charge of keeping the mafia drug distribution up.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:23:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1711763
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


so what are we(1,1,1) all saying, do we make the ICAC referral preemptively now or what

In WA it is called the CCC (Crime and Corruption Commission). It does pretty much the same job as ICACs in other states. But we should get the names right.

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Date: 18/03/2021 16:27:50
From: dv
ID: 1711765
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


The unemployment figure now has a 5 in front of it, probably go up a tad when jobkeeper comes off.
Still a remarkable figure.
60%vof the new jobs were women.
I wonder if the job figures for say Bangladesh would say something like 20% of the new jobs were children.

Probably be higher than that

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Date: 19/03/2021 10:22:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711996
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Both sides of this shit.

Hang about. So Porter’s legal attack on the ABC and a specific journalist is Commonwealth funded, not privately funded?

If so, that’s outrageous!

How do they justify that?

I just now started watching the 4 corners bursting the canberra bubble, not watched it to-date, anyway get back to it later

if I can tolerate what seems like constant spin to me, even the term canberra bubble seems like spin, invites an audience in to penetrate and burst the bubble that needs bursting, a bad bubble, and the press conference was apparently extraordinary

well no I didn’t find it extraordinary

well we know the best spinster* then, who was it made the Bancerra Cuccle a thing, oh wait it was those Bancerra arseholes themselves

*: we apologise for the use of what is in less discerning circles a gender-loaded term but shouldn’t be

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Date: 19/03/2021 10:23:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1711998
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Also he is complaining about copy that did not mention him by name and when we folk read it we weren’t sure at all it was about him. The biggest clue we had was that his goons were busy changing the internet to make it seem like he was never a debater who went to Sydney at that time.

^

that’s how we learnt who it was

trouble is we don’t think there’s a specific law against scrubbing profiles

(yes seems the law does work against destroying evidence but not sure it could apply in such settings)

Is he now gonna sue everyone on Twitter who outed him? His name linking him to the allegations was a trending topic for four days before the media conference.

maybe just sue Twitter it seemed to work well for another white supremacist misogynist smooth talker out there

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Date: 19/03/2021 10:27:30
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1712001
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/18/2021/1616042357/stick-plan

“Our plan is working, treasurer!” the prime minister said, nodding theatrically, as he handed over to Josh Frydenberg at this afternoon’s press conference. “We need to stick to the plan,” he added for emphasis. Which plan was he referring to? Was it his plan to have 4 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine administered by the end of March? Surely not, with only 226,000 given so far – 2.2 million below where we ought to be in order to hit that target on time – along with new reports that the government rushed the launch of the flailing vaccine booking system. Could it have been the plan to push ahead with the government’s omnibus industrial relations bill, even with Industrial Relations Minister Christian Porter on mental health leave? Unlikely, with the government today forced to ditch four out of five sections of it to avoid Senate defeat, turning it into a uni-bus reform. Or could it have been Morrison’s plan to distract from all that and more, with the announcement of new unemployment figures – the subject of the press conference at which he made the proclamation? No, it couldn’t be that; that plan definitely isn’t working, with the presser followed by questions on the vaccine rollout, the IR reforms and the sacking of Liberal staffer Andrew Hudgson.

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Date: 19/03/2021 13:10:24
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1712095
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/scott-morrison-andrew-bolt-and-pvo-are-providing-cultural-cover-for-every-rapist-that-ever-got-away-with-it/

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Date: 19/03/2021 13:14:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1712098
Subject: re: Aust Politics

R.I.P. AUSSIE TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNGpevmkynQ

Michael West.

He mentions the ‘reshaping’ of Australia. Sure. ScoMO has been refashioning Australia into something I don’t want to recognise.

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Date: 19/03/2021 14:01:36
From: transition
ID: 1712118
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


R.I.P. AUSSIE TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNGpevmkynQ

Michael West.

He mentions the ‘reshaping’ of Australia. Sure. ScoMO has been refashioning Australia into something I don’t want to recognise.

watching that

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Date: 19/03/2021 15:13:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1712172
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Another Politicisation Of The Theme: This Party Only Reveals Assaults By Others And Not Its Own

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/qld-mp-jonty-bush-allegations-facebook-post/100017646

Queensland MP Jonty Bush details alleged sexual assaults, harassment in Facebook post

Ms Bush said the first incident occurred when she was just a teenager. Sixteen years old and living out of home, she wrote that a friend’s father gave her alcohol at a party and engaged her in conversation. “I woke up with him on top of me in the early hours of the morning,” she added. “I froze until he stopped.”

Years later, during a speaking appearance at the Young Australian of the Year conference in Canberra, Ms Bush said a speaker who she had spent time swapping ideas with invited her up to his room to grab a business card. But when they entered, she alleged the man “closed and locked the door behind me, pinned me to the wall and attempted to kiss me”.

The Queensland MP went on to detail an incident with a “respected, warm, caring and intelligent” professor with whom she worked. While on a work trip, Ms Bush said she went to the man’s room to borrow some toothpaste, when he invited her in. ‘So, are we going to f*** or what?’ I was caught completely off guard, both with what he said and with the ease at which he said it.”

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Date: 19/03/2021 21:42:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1712464
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘WA Labor snatches blue-ribbon seat of Churchlands, slashing number of Lower House Liberal MPs to two
By Rhiannon Shine
Labor’s annihilation of the WA Liberals at Saturday’s election sees it gain another previously safe Liberal seat, as Christine Tonkin wins Churchlands from Sean L’Estrange.’

I wonder if those two WA Libs will fight over who’s going to be ‘Liberal leader in the House’, and who’s going to be ‘deputy leader’?

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Date: 19/03/2021 21:50:27
From: Woodie
ID: 1712467
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

‘WA Labor snatches blue-ribbon seat of Churchlands, slashing number of Lower House Liberal MPs to two
By Rhiannon Shine
Labor’s annihilation of the WA Liberals at Saturday’s election sees it gain another previously safe Liberal seat, as Christine Tonkin wins Churchlands from Sean L’Estrange.’

I wonder if those two WA Libs will fight over who’s going to be ‘Liberal leader in the House’, and who’s going to be ‘deputy leader’?

Labour should offer one of the the Speaker’s job.

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Date: 20/03/2021 09:31:11
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1712611
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/19/2021/1616124224/what-women-want

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Date: 20/03/2021 09:45:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1712614
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2021/03/19/asio-far-right-islamic-extremism/

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Date: 20/03/2021 11:08:27
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1712647
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Sunlit uplands here we come

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Date: 20/03/2021 11:30:59
From: Michael V
ID: 1712660
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-20/what-does-centrelink-recipient-have-common-gerry-harvey/13257024

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Date: 21/03/2021 18:41:54
From: dv
ID: 1713352
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“On Thursday, I went on ABC’s RN Breakfast to set the record straight.1

For two years, the Morrison Government has been dragging GetUp members through the mud. They’ve publicly accused us of reprehensible behaviour towards the Federal member for Boothby, Nicolle Flint MP.

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

Let me be very clear: there is no doubt that Nicolle Flint, like so many women, has been the victim of abhorrent bullying, harassment, intimidation and stalking. I believe she experienced these things. My colleagues believe her. GetUp members believe her. Just like we believe all women who come forward to report experiences like this.

What is simply untrue is the unfounded accusations from Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his government that GetUp members had anything to do with this behaviour. An internal investigation confirmed that none of the individuals involved were working on our campaign. We condemned what happened at the time, and we stand by that condemnation today.

I know the team of incredible women staff who ran our campaign in the seat of Boothby. I’ve met the wonderful volunteers who powered that grassroots campaign calling for climate action and funding for our ABC.

They’re fiercely values-driven. They’re feminists. They’re teachers, nurses, public servants, and aged care workers who want to make the world a better place for their children and grandchildren.

The suggestion that these passionate women would be connected to misogynistic or aggressive behaviour is ludicrous. It runs contrary to everything the GetUp movement stands for.

A big part of the reason I decided to go on ABC radio on Thursday was because I’m upset at the way that the Morrison Government has used these wonderful women to deflect attention away from themselves, and onto GetUp members like you.

And I’m not just upset. I’m angry.

But with anger comes determination, and today I’m asking you to commit to harnessing your anger about the treatment of women by this government and direct it toward fighting for justice.

Together, we will not let them escape accountability for the way they treated Brittany Higgins when she came forward and accused a colleague of raping her inside Parliament House.

We will also not let them hide from the way they’ve ignored a rape accusation against the Attorney General, the highest ranking law officer in this country.

In politics, as in life, actions speak louder than words. And Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s actions are sending a gut wrenching message to the people who are survivors and future victims of sexual assault.

But our actions, standing together, can counter his message, send a beacon of hope and help drive the change we need to see.

In determination,

Ruby
GetUp Campaign Director

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Date: 21/03/2021 18:50:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1713357
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

“On Thursday, I went on ABC’s RN Breakfast to set the record straight.1

For two years, the Morrison Government has been dragging GetUp members through the mud. They’ve publicly accused us of reprehensible behaviour towards the Federal member for Boothby, Nicolle Flint MP.

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

Let me be very clear: there is no doubt that Nicolle Flint, like so many women, has been the victim of abhorrent bullying, harassment, intimidation and stalking. I believe she experienced these things. My colleagues believe her. GetUp members believe her. Just like we believe all women who come forward to report experiences like this.

What is simply untrue is the unfounded accusations from Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his government that GetUp members had anything to do with this behaviour. An internal investigation confirmed that none of the individuals involved were working on our campaign. We condemned what happened at the time, and we stand by that condemnation today.

I know the team of incredible women staff who ran our campaign in the seat of Boothby. I’ve met the wonderful volunteers who powered that grassroots campaign calling for climate action and funding for our ABC.

They’re fiercely values-driven. They’re feminists. They’re teachers, nurses, public servants, and aged care workers who want to make the world a better place for their children and grandchildren.

The suggestion that these passionate women would be connected to misogynistic or aggressive behaviour is ludicrous. It runs contrary to everything the GetUp movement stands for.

A big part of the reason I decided to go on ABC radio on Thursday was because I’m upset at the way that the Morrison Government has used these wonderful women to deflect attention away from themselves, and onto GetUp members like you.

And I’m not just upset. I’m angry.

But with anger comes determination, and today I’m asking you to commit to harnessing your anger about the treatment of women by this government and direct it toward fighting for justice.

Together, we will not let them escape accountability for the way they treated Brittany Higgins when she came forward and accused a colleague of raping her inside Parliament House.

We will also not let them hide from the way they’ve ignored a rape accusation against the Attorney General, the highest ranking law officer in this country.

In politics, as in life, actions speak louder than words. And Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s actions are sending a gut wrenching message to the people who are survivors and future victims of sexual assault.

But our actions, standing together, can counter his message, send a beacon of hope and help drive the change we need to see.

In determination,

Ruby
GetUp Campaign Director

I’m sure our Ruby agrees with her.

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Date: 21/03/2021 19:16:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1713372
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

“On Thursday, I went on ABC’s RN Breakfast to set the record straight.1

For two years, the Morrison Government has been dragging GetUp members through the mud. They’ve publicly accused us of reprehensible behaviour towards the Federal member for Boothby, Nicolle Flint MP.

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

Let me be very clear: there is no doubt that Nicolle Flint, like so many women, has been the victim of abhorrent bullying, harassment, intimidation and stalking. I believe she experienced these things. My colleagues believe her. GetUp members believe her. Just like we believe all women who come forward to report experiences like this.

What is simply untrue is the unfounded accusations from Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his government that GetUp members had anything to do with this behaviour. An internal investigation confirmed that none of the individuals involved were working on our campaign. We condemned what happened at the time, and we stand by that condemnation today.

I know the team of incredible women staff who ran our campaign in the seat of Boothby. I’ve met the wonderful volunteers who powered that grassroots campaign calling for climate action and funding for our ABC.

They’re fiercely values-driven. They’re feminists. They’re teachers, nurses, public servants, and aged care workers who want to make the world a better place for their children and grandchildren.

The suggestion that these passionate women would be connected to misogynistic or aggressive behaviour is ludicrous. It runs contrary to everything the GetUp movement stands for.

A big part of the reason I decided to go on ABC radio on Thursday was because I’m upset at the way that the Morrison Government has used these wonderful women to deflect attention away from themselves, and onto GetUp members like you.

And I’m not just upset. I’m angry.

But with anger comes determination, and today I’m asking you to commit to harnessing your anger about the treatment of women by this government and direct it toward fighting for justice.

Together, we will not let them escape accountability for the way they treated Brittany Higgins when she came forward and accused a colleague of raping her inside Parliament House.

We will also not let them hide from the way they’ve ignored a rape accusation against the Attorney General, the highest ranking law officer in this country.

In politics, as in life, actions speak louder than words. And Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s actions are sending a gut wrenching message to the people who are survivors and future victims of sexual assault.

But our actions, standing together, can counter his message, send a beacon of hope and help drive the change we need to see.

In determination,

Ruby
GetUp Campaign Director

I’m sure our Ruby agrees with her.

I agree.

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Date: 21/03/2021 19:20:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713375
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

It’s always a handy thing in politics to have a skeleton to rattle when you need to distract from even more scary things.

Even if the skeleton is a fake one.

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Date: 21/03/2021 19:22:04
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1713376
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

It’s always a handy thing in politics to have a skeleton to rattle when you need to distract from even more scary things.

Even if the skeleton is a fake one.

Anything but step up to the plate.

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Date: 21/03/2021 19:28:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1713379
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Oh c’m‘on can y’all just calm down at least, be thankful it’s merely raped our women are getting, this is a triumph of democracy when we see these things take place, better than being not far from here, better than being met with bullets.

Guns Don’t Kill ASIANS, ASIANS kill ASIANS

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Date: 21/03/2021 19:33:51
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713380
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

It’s always a handy thing in politics to have a skeleton to rattle when you need to distract from even more scary things.

Even if the skeleton is a fake one.

Anything but step up to the plate.

Oh, anything but that.

Although he was thrust into the role only as a stalking horse for another, and became stuck with the job (a job for which he knew he wasn’t suited) when that other fell in the race , i suspect that Sooty has come to rather like being PM.

So, now he’ll sacrifice anything and anyone to keep happy the party machine and operators who could deprive him of the job, changes to the rules on leadership spills notwithstanding.

Deny, defame, and distract is the motto. Hunker down in the fort, and hope that the enemy expends themselves against the walls.

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Date: 21/03/2021 19:33:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1713381
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

It’s always a handy thing in politics to have a skeleton to rattle when you need to distract from even more scary things.

Even if the skeleton is a fake one.

Anything but step up to the plate.

They never were going to. It’s just a big game to them.

They’d blame our unrealistic expectations…

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Date: 21/03/2021 20:44:44
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1713393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/03/2021 21:26:16
From: Ian
ID: 1713397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 21/03/2021 22:00:21
From: ruby
ID: 1713406
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

“On Thursday, I went on ABC’s RN Breakfast to set the record straight.1

For two years, the Morrison Government has been dragging GetUp members through the mud. They’ve publicly accused us of reprehensible behaviour towards the Federal member for Boothby, Nicolle Flint MP.

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

Let me be very clear: there is no doubt that Nicolle Flint, like so many women, has been the victim of abhorrent bullying, harassment, intimidation and stalking. I believe she experienced these things. My colleagues believe her. GetUp members believe her. Just like we believe all women who come forward to report experiences like this.

What is simply untrue is the unfounded accusations from Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his government that GetUp members had anything to do with this behaviour. An internal investigation confirmed that none of the individuals involved were working on our campaign. We condemned what happened at the time, and we stand by that condemnation today.

I know the team of incredible women staff who ran our campaign in the seat of Boothby. I’ve met the wonderful volunteers who powered that grassroots campaign calling for climate action and funding for our ABC.

They’re fiercely values-driven. They’re feminists. They’re teachers, nurses, public servants, and aged care workers who want to make the world a better place for their children and grandchildren.

The suggestion that these passionate women would be connected to misogynistic or aggressive behaviour is ludicrous. It runs contrary to everything the GetUp movement stands for.

A big part of the reason I decided to go on ABC radio on Thursday was because I’m upset at the way that the Morrison Government has used these wonderful women to deflect attention away from themselves, and onto GetUp members like you.

And I’m not just upset. I’m angry.

But with anger comes determination, and today I’m asking you to commit to harnessing your anger about the treatment of women by this government and direct it toward fighting for justice.

Together, we will not let them escape accountability for the way they treated Brittany Higgins when she came forward and accused a colleague of raping her inside Parliament House.

We will also not let them hide from the way they’ve ignored a rape accusation against the Attorney General, the highest ranking law officer in this country.

In politics, as in life, actions speak louder than words. And Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s actions are sending a gut wrenching message to the people who are survivors and future victims of sexual assault.

But our actions, standing together, can counter his message, send a beacon of hope and help drive the change we need to see.

In determination,

Ruby
GetUp Campaign Director

I’m sure our Ruby agrees with her.

I do indeed. I think the old boys club are very afraid of ‘our actions, standing together, can counter his message, send a beacon of hope and help drive the change we need to see.’
It’s time, people!

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Date: 21/03/2021 22:06:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1713408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ruby said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

“On Thursday, I went on ABC’s RN Breakfast to set the record straight.1

For two years, the Morrison Government has been dragging GetUp members through the mud. They’ve publicly accused us of reprehensible behaviour towards the Federal member for Boothby, Nicolle Flint MP.

And it’s not a coincidence that they’re reheating these lies now – in a desperate attempt to deflect public attention away from the rape accusations facing Attorney General Christian Porter.

Let me be very clear: there is no doubt that Nicolle Flint, like so many women, has been the victim of abhorrent bullying, harassment, intimidation and stalking. I believe she experienced these things. My colleagues believe her. GetUp members believe her. Just like we believe all women who come forward to report experiences like this.

What is simply untrue is the unfounded accusations from Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his government that GetUp members had anything to do with this behaviour. An internal investigation confirmed that none of the individuals involved were working on our campaign. We condemned what happened at the time, and we stand by that condemnation today.

I know the team of incredible women staff who ran our campaign in the seat of Boothby. I’ve met the wonderful volunteers who powered that grassroots campaign calling for climate action and funding for our ABC.

They’re fiercely values-driven. They’re feminists. They’re teachers, nurses, public servants, and aged care workers who want to make the world a better place for their children and grandchildren.

The suggestion that these passionate women would be connected to misogynistic or aggressive behaviour is ludicrous. It runs contrary to everything the GetUp movement stands for.

A big part of the reason I decided to go on ABC radio on Thursday was because I’m upset at the way that the Morrison Government has used these wonderful women to deflect attention away from themselves, and onto GetUp members like you.

And I’m not just upset. I’m angry.

But with anger comes determination, and today I’m asking you to commit to harnessing your anger about the treatment of women by this government and direct it toward fighting for justice.

Together, we will not let them escape accountability for the way they treated Brittany Higgins when she came forward and accused a colleague of raping her inside Parliament House.

We will also not let them hide from the way they’ve ignored a rape accusation against the Attorney General, the highest ranking law officer in this country.

In politics, as in life, actions speak louder than words. And Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s actions are sending a gut wrenching message to the people who are survivors and future victims of sexual assault.

But our actions, standing together, can counter his message, send a beacon of hope and help drive the change we need to see.

In determination,

Ruby
GetUp Campaign Director

I’m sure our Ruby agrees with her.

I do indeed. I think the old boys club are very afraid of ‘our actions, standing together, can counter his message, send a beacon of hope and help drive the change we need to see.’
It’s time, people!

I think it might be too late.

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Date: 21/03/2021 23:03:21
From: Michael V
ID: 1713419
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:



Thumbs up!

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Date: 22/03/2021 12:38:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1713627
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

Oh dear


so uh what are we(1,1,1) to make of this you say

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Date: 22/03/2021 15:13:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713720
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘Probe into who in PM’s office knew about Brittany Higgins allegation paused

By political reporters Jade Macmillan and Nour Haydar
The head of the Prime Minister’s department pauses his investigation into who within Scott Morrison’s office knew about a rape allegation at Parliament House, and when.’

Stand by for a distracting (the PM hopes) announcement from the Morrison Government.

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Date: 22/03/2021 15:17:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1713724
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

‘Probe into who in PM’s office knew about Brittany Higgins allegation paused

By political reporters Jade Macmillan and Nour Haydar
The head of the Prime Minister’s department pauses his investigation into who within Scott Morrison’s office knew about a rape allegation at Parliament House, and when.’

Stand by for a distracting (the PM hopes) announcement from the Morrison Government.

I think we’re going to need to buy an aircraft carrier to get a distraction big enough.

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Date: 22/03/2021 15:18:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1713726
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

‘Probe into who in PM’s office knew about Brittany Higgins allegation paused

By political reporters Jade Macmillan and Nour Haydar
The head of the Prime Minister’s department pauses his investigation into who within Scott Morrison’s office knew about a rape allegation at Parliament House, and when.’

Stand by for a distracting (the PM hopes) announcement from the Morrison Government.

Maybe the police are going to say something.

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Date: 22/03/2021 15:21:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713728
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

Maybe the police are going to say something.

‘After thorough and far-reaching investigation, taking into account all statements and available evidence, we have concluded that society is to blame.’

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Date: 22/03/2021 15:26:05
From: Tamb
ID: 1713730
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

Maybe the police are going to say something.

‘After thorough and far-reaching investigation, taking into account all statements and available evidence, we have concluded that society is to blame.’


Society: Oh no we’re not.
Police: Oh yes you are.
Society: Oh no we’re not.
Police: Oh yes you are.
Repeat.

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Date: 22/03/2021 18:17:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1713786
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:28:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713839
Subject: re: Aust Politics

From a Patreon subscription, so i post it here in full as you’re not likely to see it otherwise:

Andrew P Street
Will Porter’s Defamation Case Ever Get To Court?

Oh my dear patrons, blinding light of my burning love,

So I’ve been pondering the above question and picking the brains of several legally-savvy people who would hate for me to even suggest I know them, and I’ve concluded the following:

Nah.

THANKS FOR READING!

Oh alright, sweet patrons. Fine: I shall elaborate.

As seen in his notorious press conference a fortnight back poor Christian Porter was so devastated by the very idea – THE VERY IDEA! – of the allegations against him, about which he’d only just heard, laid out in a document he had chosen not to read, and which he absolutely had not been advised about beforehand despite specific questions being sent to his office, phone and personal email by journalists in 2020, that he was forced to start the healing by launching a cleansing defamation suit against the ABC.

(And it was announced, just to add some spice to the decision, on the day of the March4Justice. You know, just in case anyone was wondering what Porter’s stance was regarding women demanding to have their safety taken seriously.)

If Porter had assumed that the ABC and the journalist at the centre of Porter’s case, Louise Milligan, would crumble into deferential submission then he hopefully braced for disappointment. They returned serve by announcing that former Solicitor-General Justin Gleeson would be leading their defence, in a flex worthy of a Byron Bay yoga instructor.

Gleeson, you might recall, had very recently been arguing with Scott Morrison over Porter remaining as the nation’s chief law officer while a rape allegation hangs over his head. And Gleeson was also the SG telling then-PM Malcolm Turnbull that Peter Dutton’s eligibility to be in parliament was in question since he has financial stakes in childcare centres that receive Commonwealth funding and would therefore appear to be in breach of Section 44.

Porter was aggressively refusing to even consider this at the time, and coincidentally would reportedly go on to vote for Dutton in the spill against Turnbull and then again in the leadership ballot against Morrison. So you know, there’s some well-aged beef there.

So given all the potential for explosive courtroom drama, it’s kind of a shame it’ll never get before a justice.

And you could very resonably grab me by my stylish lapels and bellow “but Andrew, why would he not take this to court when he’ll almost certainly win?” And I would gaze into your eyes and say “yeah, fair point,” because it absolutely is a point which is fair.

That’s because Australia’s defamation laws are generally regarded to be a steaming heap of shit by the legal community. In fact, one particularly well-positioned individual – Australia’s Attorney-General, no less! – stood at the lectern at the National Press Club in November 2019 and argued that Australia has an urgent need for defamation law reform.

“I think it is fair to say that current defamation laws no longer strike the perfect balance between public interest journalism and protecting individuals from reputational harm… For example, meaningful reform in this area needs to consider the introduction of a serious harm threshold and should also provide clarity in areas where the law failed to operate as jurisdictions may have anticipated… Likewise the NZ style defence of responsible communication on matter of public interest is a worthwhile consideration.”

And that this previously-flagged priority will now stop dead is merely one of the ridiculous volume of conflict of interest inherent in Porter’s influence on the judicial system relative to literally everyone else in Australia.

That’s especially obvious in Porter’s choice to have the case heard in the Federal Court. This is his prerogative, of course, but it also just so happens to be a jury-free courtroom in which justices are appointed by the Governor General upon the recommendation of the gvoernment of the day, typically via the Attorney General of Australia.

Now, it should be added that Porter has announced that he is dropping certain of his duties, including those relating to the Federal Court, while the legal proceedings are in motion. It should also be added that he hasn’t as yet actually done so, and that there’s considerable confusion about how exactly this completely unprecedented division of labour would work in practice.

But in any case, I’m sure Justice Jayne Jagot – the judge announced for this case – would feel perfectly within her rights to criticise Porter without fear or favour, despite knowing that after the trial he’d have significant influence on her career and a history of seeking revenge on uppity women who haven’t been suitably deferential to him. For example: the entire case over which she was presiding.

Porter’s team have all but goaded the ABC into running a truth defence, knowing that it’s impossible to prove that Porter did indeed rape a now-deceased woman back in 1986. Even so, he’s not going to let the matter be hashed out in court, because even if their case cannot doesn’t prove guilt it has the potential to reflect very badly on him if the ABC has more material that they didn’t use after legal advice. And let’s be honest: they almost certainly do.

So, what is Porter’s strategy? Here’s my semi-educated guess:

The case won’t come to court between now and the next federal election. Porter and the government will use the existence of the case as an excuse to avoid an inquiry or even discussing the matter at all (for it is “before the courts”), while it also provides a way to keep Milligan tied up in legal minutia and unable to focus on her job while also putting the ABC, Four Corners and investigative journalists generally on notice that the government will take a dim view of any criticism going forward.

Then, assuming things have died down somewhat, not long before the case comes to trial Porter will offer to settle. The sum will be symbolic – maybe a dollar, maybe with his eye-watering legal costs added on to the ABC’s own, maybe with the condition that Milligan loses her job – and the settlement will be confidential.

The ABC, faced with the choice between costing the public millions of dollars to further antagonise the government and happily ending the matter once and for all, will take the settlement. And Porter will point to the ABC’s decision as proof that he has been vindicated and that he is an innocent man. Which will not be what the settlement means, obviously, since the matter was in no sense tried – but that’s what the optics will be.

Now, this all rests on a series of assumptions. It assumes that the government continues to back Porter, even as he becomes more of a liability for a notoriously transactional PM. It assumes that polling among women gets far better for the Liberals and that Porter becomes less attractive as a public sacrifice to boost Morrison’s flagging numbers. And it assumes that more allegations regarding Porter are not about to explosively emerge.

Chances are that at least one of those assumptions will be challenged this week. Watch this space…

THINGS ARE STARTING TO FEEL A LITTLE… INTERESTING

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:37:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1713843
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


From a Patreon subscription, so i post it here in full as you’re not likely to see it otherwise:

Andrew P Street
Will Porter’s Defamation Case Ever Get To Court?

Oh my dear patrons, blinding light of my burning love,

So I’ve been pondering the above question and picking the brains of several legally-savvy people who would hate for me to even suggest I know them, and I’ve concluded the following:

Nah.

THANKS FOR READING!

Oh alright, sweet patrons. Fine: I shall elaborate.

As seen in his notorious press conference a fortnight back poor Christian Porter was so devastated by the very idea – THE VERY IDEA! – of the allegations against him, about which he’d only just heard, laid out in a document he had chosen not to read, and which he absolutely had not been advised about beforehand despite specific questions being sent to his office, phone and personal email by journalists in 2020, that he was forced to start the healing by launching a cleansing defamation suit against the ABC.

(And it was announced, just to add some spice to the decision, on the day of the March4Justice. You know, just in case anyone was wondering what Porter’s stance was regarding women demanding to have their safety taken seriously.)

If Porter had assumed that the ABC and the journalist at the centre of Porter’s case, Louise Milligan, would crumble into deferential submission then he hopefully braced for disappointment. They returned serve by announcing that former Solicitor-General Justin Gleeson would be leading their defence, in a flex worthy of a Byron Bay yoga instructor.

Gleeson, you might recall, had very recently been arguing with Scott Morrison over Porter remaining as the nation’s chief law officer while a rape allegation hangs over his head. And Gleeson was also the SG telling then-PM Malcolm Turnbull that Peter Dutton’s eligibility to be in parliament was in question since he has financial stakes in childcare centres that receive Commonwealth funding and would therefore appear to be in breach of Section 44.

Porter was aggressively refusing to even consider this at the time, and coincidentally would reportedly go on to vote for Dutton in the spill against Turnbull and then again in the leadership ballot against Morrison. So you know, there’s some well-aged beef there.

So given all the potential for explosive courtroom drama, it’s kind of a shame it’ll never get before a justice.

And you could very resonably grab me by my stylish lapels and bellow “but Andrew, why would he not take this to court when he’ll almost certainly win?” And I would gaze into your eyes and say “yeah, fair point,” because it absolutely is a point which is fair.

That’s because Australia’s defamation laws are generally regarded to be a steaming heap of shit by the legal community. In fact, one particularly well-positioned individual – Australia’s Attorney-General, no less! – stood at the lectern at the National Press Club in November 2019 and argued that Australia has an urgent need for defamation law reform.

“I think it is fair to say that current defamation laws no longer strike the perfect balance between public interest journalism and protecting individuals from reputational harm… For example, meaningful reform in this area needs to consider the introduction of a serious harm threshold and should also provide clarity in areas where the law failed to operate as jurisdictions may have anticipated… Likewise the NZ style defence of responsible communication on matter of public interest is a worthwhile consideration.”

And that this previously-flagged priority will now stop dead is merely one of the ridiculous volume of conflict of interest inherent in Porter’s influence on the judicial system relative to literally everyone else in Australia.

That’s especially obvious in Porter’s choice to have the case heard in the Federal Court. This is his prerogative, of course, but it also just so happens to be a jury-free courtroom in which justices are appointed by the Governor General upon the recommendation of the gvoernment of the day, typically via the Attorney General of Australia.

Now, it should be added that Porter has announced that he is dropping certain of his duties, including those relating to the Federal Court, while the legal proceedings are in motion. It should also be added that he hasn’t as yet actually done so, and that there’s considerable confusion about how exactly this completely unprecedented division of labour would work in practice.

But in any case, I’m sure Justice Jayne Jagot – the judge announced for this case – would feel perfectly within her rights to criticise Porter without fear or favour, despite knowing that after the trial he’d have significant influence on her career and a history of seeking revenge on uppity women who haven’t been suitably deferential to him. For example: the entire case over which she was presiding.

Porter’s team have all but goaded the ABC into running a truth defence, knowing that it’s impossible to prove that Porter did indeed rape a now-deceased woman back in 1986. Even so, he’s not going to let the matter be hashed out in court, because even if their case cannot doesn’t prove guilt it has the potential to reflect very badly on him if the ABC has more material that they didn’t use after legal advice. And let’s be honest: they almost certainly do.

So, what is Porter’s strategy? Here’s my semi-educated guess:

The case won’t come to court between now and the next federal election. Porter and the government will use the existence of the case as an excuse to avoid an inquiry or even discussing the matter at all (for it is “before the courts”), while it also provides a way to keep Milligan tied up in legal minutia and unable to focus on her job while also putting the ABC, Four Corners and investigative journalists generally on notice that the government will take a dim view of any criticism going forward.

Then, assuming things have died down somewhat, not long before the case comes to trial Porter will offer to settle. The sum will be symbolic – maybe a dollar, maybe with his eye-watering legal costs added on to the ABC’s own, maybe with the condition that Milligan loses her job – and the settlement will be confidential.

The ABC, faced with the choice between costing the public millions of dollars to further antagonise the government and happily ending the matter once and for all, will take the settlement. And Porter will point to the ABC’s decision as proof that he has been vindicated and that he is an innocent man. Which will not be what the settlement means, obviously, since the matter was in no sense tried – but that’s what the optics will be.

Now, this all rests on a series of assumptions. It assumes that the government continues to back Porter, even as he becomes more of a liability for a notoriously transactional PM. It assumes that polling among women gets far better for the Liberals and that Porter becomes less attractive as a public sacrifice to boost Morrison’s flagging numbers. And it assumes that more allegations regarding Porter are not about to explosively emerge.

Chances are that at least one of those assumptions will be challenged this week. Watch this space…

THINGS ARE STARTING TO FEEL A LITTLE… INTERESTING

Certainly the part in capital letters might relate to a possible slipping of shyte past Scotty’s spectacles to be spread about by the fan?

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:45:49
From: party_pants
ID: 1713847
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I think it just needs a reasonable-minded conservative independent with a little bit of a local celebrity profile to run in Porter’s seat at the next election and his political career is over.

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:51:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713855
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘David Honey set to lead WA Liberals after election wipeout

By David Weber
Liberal MP David Honey is looking set to become leader of the WA Liberals, with the party’s only other Lower House MP Libby Mettam saying she will not be vying for the role.’‘

She probably feel like the US Vice-President: only a heartbeat away from the top job.

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:56:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


I think it just needs a reasonable-minded conservative independent with a little bit of a local celebrity profile to run in Porter’s seat at the next election and his political career is over.

And Abbott/Steggall scenario?

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:56:25
From: party_pants
ID: 1713862
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

‘David Honey set to lead WA Liberals after election wipeout

By David Weber
Liberal MP David Honey is looking set to become leader of the WA Liberals, with the party’s only other Lower House MP Libby Mettam saying she will not be vying for the role.’‘

She probably feel like the US Vice-President: only a heartbeat away from the top job.

The only people left in the parliamentary Liberal party are the factional power brokers who got themselves safely ensconced in the top spot on the upper house ticket.

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:57:10
From: party_pants
ID: 1713863
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

I think it just needs a reasonable-minded conservative independent with a little bit of a local celebrity profile to run in Porter’s seat at the next election and his political career is over.

And Abbott/Steggall scenario?

Something like that.

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:58:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1713866
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think it just needs a reasonable-minded conservative independent with a little bit of a local celebrity profile to run in Porter’s seat at the next election and his political career is over.

And Abbott/Steggall scenario?

Something like that.

Abbott’s career was already over at that point.

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Date: 22/03/2021 20:58:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713867
Subject: re: Aust Politics

AN Abbott/Steggall scenario?

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Date: 22/03/2021 21:02:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1713871
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

Abbott’s career was already over at that point.

He didn’t think so.

Plan seemed to be:

1. Get re-elected (a doddle, or so it seemed).

2. Wait a ‘decent interval’.

3. Find some pretext agreeable to stalking-horse/temporary stand-in Morrison for him to depart the scene

4. Resume rightful position as PM and party leader.

Fate decreed otherwise.

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Date: 22/03/2021 21:05:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1713873
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Abbott’s career was already over at that point.

He didn’t think so.

Plan seemed to be:

1. Get re-elected (a doddle, or so it seemed).

2. Wait a ‘decent interval’.

3. Find some pretext agreeable to stalking-horse/temporary stand-in Morrison for him to depart the scene

4. Resume rightful position as PM and party leader.

Fate decreed otherwise.

A lot of people concoct their own set of facts. Mr Porter conmes to mind.

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Date: 22/03/2021 21:09:44
From: party_pants
ID: 1713877
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

And Abbott/Steggall scenario?

Something like that.

Abbott’s career was already over at that point.

Lets not get too bogged down in detail arguing over the differences rather than seeing the similarities in a situation. “Something like that” does not mean “exactly the same as that”.

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Date: 22/03/2021 21:13:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1713879
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Something like that.

Abbott’s career was already over at that point.

Lets not get too bogged down in detail arguing over the differences rather than seeing the similarities in a situation. “Something like that” does not mean “exactly the same as that”.

I could also argue that Porter’s career is also over at any point in the near future that also included an election where there was any suitable opponent.

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Date: 23/03/2021 07:42:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714026
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Typical, Morrison Tried To Get Gladys To Wash The Record Clean Again But Maybe This Time It Isn’t Enough

Not like she’s squeaky clean herself either.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-missteps-fuel-frustration-within-the-coalition/100022234

Not long ago, a once-in-a-century flood might have been enough to drown out whatever scandal was oozing out of Parliament House.

In previous years, Coalition media advisers concede, they could not have wished for a better distraction than what’s taking place on the east coast.

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Date: 23/03/2021 10:35:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714087
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Typical, Morrison Tried To Get Gladys To Wash The Record Clean Again But Maybe This Time It Isn’t Enough

Not like she’s squeaky clean herself either.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-missteps-fuel-frustration-within-the-coalition/100022234

Not long ago, a once-in-a-century flood might have been enough to drown out whatever scandal was oozing out of Parliament House.

In previous years, Coalition media advisers concede, they could not have wished for a better distraction than what’s taking place on the east coast.

Speaking of a Gutful, Senior Liberal Karen Andrews reports she has had a “gutful” of the treatment of women in Parliament.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/karen-andrews-liberal-mp-gutful-female-quotas/100022676

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Date: 23/03/2021 10:39:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714093
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


SCIENCE said:

Typical, Morrison Tried To Get Gladys To Wash The Record Clean Again But Maybe This Time It Isn’t Enough

Not like she’s squeaky clean herself either.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-missteps-fuel-frustration-within-the-coalition/100022234

Not long ago, a once-in-a-century flood might have been enough to drown out whatever scandal was oozing out of Parliament House.

In previous years, Coalition media advisers concede, they could not have wished for a better distraction than what’s taking place on the east coast.

Speaking of a Gutful, Senior Liberal Karen Andrews reports she has had a “gutful” of the treatment of women in Parliament.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/karen-andrews-liberal-mp-gutful-female-quotas/100022676

Morrison fights back tears, pledging to improve treatment of women in Parliament

Crocodile tears. He’s had gobs of time to sack everyone who didn’t go to the same blinker wearing church as him.

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Date: 23/03/2021 10:40:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714094
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

Speaking of a Gutful, Senior Liberal Karen Andrews reports she has had a “gutful” of the treatment of women in Parliament.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/karen-andrews-liberal-mp-gutful-female-quotas/100022676

‘Gutful’ was the word of the day for a while for politicians back in the 1980s. It seemed to capture their imaginations.

I think it was Neville Wran who first used it in a press conference, and then it spread from there.

Before long, every other politician at all levels was announcing that he/she had had a ‘gutful’ of something or other.

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Date: 23/03/2021 10:41:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714097
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Typical, Morrison Tried To Get Gladys To Wash The Record Clean Again But Maybe This Time It Isn’t Enough

Not like she’s squeaky clean herself either.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-missteps-fuel-frustration-within-the-coalition/100022234

Not long ago, a once-in-a-century flood might have been enough to drown out whatever scandal was oozing out of Parliament House.

In previous years, Coalition media advisers concede, they could not have wished for a better distraction than what’s taking place on the east coast.

Speaking of a Gutful, Senior Liberal Karen Andrews reports she has had a “gutful” of the treatment of women in Parliament.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/karen-andrews-liberal-mp-gutful-female-quotas/100022676

Morrison fights back tears, pledging to improve treatment of women in Parliament

Crocodile tears. He’s had gobs of time to sack everyone who didn’t go to the same blinker wearing church as him.

yeah but Only Real Men Cry, if a woman cries then she’s too emotional, it’s when you see a Real Grown Man Cry that’s when you know shit’s gettin’ serious

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Date: 23/03/2021 10:42:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714098
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

Speaking of a Gutful, Senior Liberal Karen Andrews reports she has had a “gutful” of the treatment of women in Parliament.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/karen-andrews-liberal-mp-gutful-female-quotas/100022676

‘Gutful’ was the word of the day for a while for politicians back in the 1980s. It seemed to capture their imaginations.

I think it was Neville Wran who first used it in a press conference, and then it spread from there.

Before long, every other politician at all levels was announcing that he/she had had a ‘gutful’ of something or other.

Keating used it a lot.

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Date: 23/03/2021 11:50:59
From: Cymek
ID: 1714147
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

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Date: 23/03/2021 11:55:02
From: Tamb
ID: 1714148
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job


Maybe not a better moral compass but their minders should have a better understanding of the consequences.

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Date: 23/03/2021 11:55:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714149
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

And this was someone selected by the government to be an “advisor”.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:03:50
From: transition
ID: 1714150
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:07:23
From: Tamb
ID: 1714152
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited


The Chinese did that a very long time ago.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:10:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714154
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

We should send in the army, take away all their grog, all their porn, and put em on the card.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:11:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714155
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

We should send in the army, take away all their grog, all their porn, and put em on the card.


Is it unusual for security to allow admittance of drunk peoples?

Na.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:12:50
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714157
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job


Maybe not a better moral compass but their minders should have a better understanding of the consequences.

Really..they are supposed to have a better moral compass..specially the AG.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:13:45
From: Cymek
ID: 1714158
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

We should send in the army, take away all their grog, all their porn, and put em on the card.

They wouldn’t like that.
Its astonishing these people are considered right honourable but act in such a piggish manner and we are expected to have confidence they understand issues facing Australia/ns

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:17:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714161
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


sarahs mum said:

Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

We should send in the army, take away all their grog, all their porn, and put em on the card.

They wouldn’t like that.
Its astonishing these people are considered right honourable but act in such a piggish manner and we are expected to have confidence they understand issues facing Australia/ns

I’m having more problems with what they think they can get away with and their sense of entitlement. Harvey norman walks away with a huge profit and keeps the jobkeeper money. The govt doesn’t care and goes robodebtting 2.0. That shit.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:20:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714163
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

And this was someone selected by the government to be an “advisor”.

In Human relations at that.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:20:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited

Imagine, being ruled by enuchs?

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:21:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1714165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Karina Crisp lives at Sugarloaf, near the Queensland-New South Wales border, and said the rain was “teeming down”, with about 80mm in her rain gauge since yesterday morning.

“There’s just rivers of water rushing down the hill,” she said.

“It’s a quagmire just trying to get through the carport because it’s flooded.

“You’re up to your ankles in deep water, which is nice for a change, instead of dust.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/qld-western-rain-stanthorpe-drought-floods-2021/100022998

The redoubt may be washed away.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:22:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Karina Crisp lives at Sugarloaf, near the Queensland-New South Wales border, and said the rain was “teeming down”, with about 80mm in her rain gauge since yesterday morning.

“There’s just rivers of water rushing down the hill,” she said.

“It’s a quagmire just trying to get through the carport because it’s flooded.

“You’re up to your ankles in deep water, which is nice for a change, instead of dust.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/qld-western-rain-stanthorpe-drought-floods-2021/100022998

The redoubt may be washed away.

Or at least your driveway.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:24:11
From: Tamb
ID: 1714170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sibeen said:

Karina Crisp lives at Sugarloaf, near the Queensland-New South Wales border, and said the rain was “teeming down”, with about 80mm in her rain gauge since yesterday morning.

“There’s just rivers of water rushing down the hill,” she said.

“It’s a quagmire just trying to get through the carport because it’s flooded.

“You’re up to your ankles in deep water, which is nice for a change, instead of dust.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/qld-western-rain-stanthorpe-drought-floods-2021/100022998

The redoubt may be washed away.

Or at least your driveway.


Mine has speeded up too.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:27:46
From: dv
ID: 1714174
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

Cymek said:

Should we expect politicians to have a higher moral compass than your average dumb shit male on the street (I’m not going to credit them with your average decent bloke)

Filming sex stuff in Parliament now, I mean seriously are you just a dick pic sending bloke with a better paid job

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited

Imagine, being ruled by enuchs?

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:28:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A former government staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins had breached security on a previous occasion, the Prime Minister has revealed.

> Going on all that has come from the person from ‘nothing in nothing out’ in the PMO, does this constitute another rape?

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:29:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714177
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited

Imagine, being ruled by enuchs?

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

There. That wasn’t hard to say, was it.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:30:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714179
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


A former government staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins had breached security on a previous occasion, the Prime Minister has revealed.

> Going on all that has come from the person from ‘nothing in nothing out’ in the PMO, does this constitute another rape?

Is that how Scomo views rape? As a breach of security?

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:33:45
From: Cymek
ID: 1714180
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited

Imagine, being ruled by enuchs?

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

Yes

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:34:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Imagine, being ruled by enuchs?

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

Yes

Even worse than sniffing her chair on TV.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:35:45
From: Cymek
ID: 1714183
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

A former government staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins had breached security on a previous occasion, the Prime Minister has revealed.

> Going on all that has come from the person from ‘nothing in nothing out’ in the PMO, does this constitute another rape?

Is that how Scomo views rape? As a breach of security?

Going noticeable drunk into work is, I suppose though security could be in fear of being the one in trouble for reprimanding a higher ranked person

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:37:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714186
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://twitter.com/katemccccartney/status/1368006505442648066?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0Jv-x1wcDfkrrDp-e3STxQcotCTDXOMmmwqZExUZhJI01yu1b6bwOl-cU

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:49:08
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1714192
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

A former government staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins had breached security on a previous occasion, the Prime Minister has revealed.

> Going on all that has come from the person from ‘nothing in nothing out’ in the PMO, does this constitute another rape?

Is that how Scomo views rape? As a breach of security?

Going noticeable drunk into work is, I suppose though security could be in fear of being the one in trouble for reprimanding a higher ranked person

I expect there are rules and that security were very cognicent of following them.

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Date: 23/03/2021 12:53:45
From: Woodie
ID: 1714195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited

It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister should resign and the Ambassador must be recalled.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:01:23
From: transition
ID: 1714201
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

i’m just stuck in a state of total outrage and shock after having learned men and women in parliament have genitals, sex organs, I think it should be legislated against, prohibited

Imagine, being ruled by enuchs?

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:09:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714208
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Imagine, being ruled by enuchs?

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:10:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1714210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

dv said:

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Do we know who the MP was yet, or is that secret information?

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:12:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714212
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Do we know who the MP was yet, or is that secret information?

All anonymous at this stage.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:14:04
From: Tamb
ID: 1714213
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Do we know who the MP was yet, or is that secret information?

All anonymous at this stage.


Should be easy to get some DNA.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:14:29
From: transition
ID: 1714214
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

dv said:

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

I didn’t think what I said was greatly nuanced, demanding that way, I was talking about what i’d expect a lot of privacy requires, like for example i’m ignoring the sexual activities of fairly much everyone on the planet, and all other animal life also

i’m going to keep doing that

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:24:51
From: Ian
ID: 1714216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In a fiery exchange at the press conference today, Sky News reporter Andrew Clennell put it to the Prime Minister that the situation made it look like he had lost control of ministerial staff.

“Right now,” Mr Morrison responded, “you’d be aware in your own organisation, that there is a person who has had a complaint made against them for harassment of a woman in a women’s toilet and that matter is being pursued by your own HR department.

“Let’s not, all of us who sit in glass houses here, start getting into that.”

ABC

I think I can hear TRD muttering about whataboutism.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:26:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714218
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Do we know who the MP was yet, or is that secret information?

All anonymous at this stage.


Should be easy to get some DNA.

Can’t Scomo’s cleaners fix that apparently before he hears about it.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:30:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714220
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


In a fiery exchange at the press conference today, Sky News reporter Andrew Clennell put it to the Prime Minister that the situation made it look like he had lost control of ministerial staff.

“Right now,” Mr Morrison responded, “you’d be aware in your own organisation, that there is a person who has had a complaint made against them for harassment of a woman in a women’s toilet and that matter is being pursued by your own HR department.

“Let’s not, all of us who sit in glass houses here, start getting into that.”

ABC

I think I can hear TRD muttering about whataboutism.

I think I can hear Murdoch expressing astonished displeasure that a vaguely critical comment was directed at News Corp by Scomo.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:31:39
From: party_pants
ID: 1714222
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


In a fiery exchange at the press conference today, Sky News reporter Andrew Clennell put it to the Prime Minister that the situation made it look like he had lost control of ministerial staff.

“Right now,” Mr Morrison responded, “you’d be aware in your own organisation, that there is a person who has had a complaint made against them for harassment of a woman in a women’s toilet and that matter is being pursued by your own HR department.

“Let’s not, all of us who sit in glass houses here, start getting into that.”

ABC

I think I can hear TRD muttering about whataboutism.

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:33:51
From: Cymek
ID: 1714225
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

All anonymous at this stage.


Should be easy to get some DNA.

Can’t Scomo’s cleaners fix that apparently before he hears about it.

Surely they have a bottle of jizzaway to clean up such messes

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:39:58
From: transition
ID: 1714228
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Ian said:

In a fiery exchange at the press conference today, Sky News reporter Andrew Clennell put it to the Prime Minister that the situation made it look like he had lost control of ministerial staff.

“Right now,” Mr Morrison responded, “you’d be aware in your own organisation, that there is a person who has had a complaint made against them for harassment of a woman in a women’s toilet and that matter is being pursued by your own HR department.

“Let’s not, all of us who sit in glass houses here, start getting into that.”

ABC

I think I can hear TRD muttering about whataboutism.

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:41:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714230
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


party_pants said:

Ian said:

In a fiery exchange at the press conference today, Sky News reporter Andrew Clennell put it to the Prime Minister that the situation made it look like he had lost control of ministerial staff.

“Right now,” Mr Morrison responded, “you’d be aware in your own organisation, that there is a person who has had a complaint made against them for harassment of a woman in a women’s toilet and that matter is being pursued by your own HR department.

“Let’s not, all of us who sit in glass houses here, start getting into that.”

ABC

I think I can hear TRD muttering about whataboutism.

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

He mustn’t be praying hard enough. Maybe he should try flagellation?

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:44:04
From: Cymek
ID: 1714231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

party_pants said:

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

He mustn’t be praying hard enough. Maybe he should try flagellation?

I know the buck stops with him but you’d hope your underlings don’t act in such a way.
You need to be loyal to each other but up to a point and I suppose also you could throw them under the train but then have everyone thinking you are a traitor

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:46:51
From: transition
ID: 1714232
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

party_pants said:

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

He mustn’t be praying hard enough. Maybe he should try flagellation?

you could get into politics, you seem not to mind being part of a force delivering heat, I assume you could probably take a bit too, do the job

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:52:11
From: Cymek
ID: 1714233
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

He mustn’t be praying hard enough. Maybe he should try flagellation?

you could get into politics, you seem not to mind being part of a force delivering heat, I assume you could probably take a bit too, do the job

I wonder if you could protect yourself by admitting any wrong doings to the media (that way they can be used later against you) and just generally behave
Perhaps the PM is an independent so they can actually call people out for acting like “insert swear word” and not be disloyal (even though people acting they way they do is disloyal)

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:52:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714234
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

…like for example i’m ignoring the sexual activities of fairly much everyone on the planet…

Rather hard to ignore, when it comes across your desk (if you see what i mean).

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:54:35
From: party_pants
ID: 1714235
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


party_pants said:

Ian said:

In a fiery exchange at the press conference today, Sky News reporter Andrew Clennell put it to the Prime Minister that the situation made it look like he had lost control of ministerial staff.

“Right now,” Mr Morrison responded, “you’d be aware in your own organisation, that there is a person who has had a complaint made against them for harassment of a woman in a women’s toilet and that matter is being pursued by your own HR department.

“Let’s not, all of us who sit in glass houses here, start getting into that.”

ABC

I think I can hear TRD muttering about whataboutism.

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:56:29
From: Cymek
ID: 1714236
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

party_pants said:

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

It’s shouldn’t be hard to not fap at work especially on a desk

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Date: 23/03/2021 13:59:41
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714237
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

It was a deflection tactic, trying to throw the question back at the person asking, trying to put them somewhat off balance.

Another version of the ‘can’t comment on what’s before the court/now is not the time’ dodge.

Anything rather than answer a question.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:09:47
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1714240
Subject: re: Aust Politics

How to apologise without actually apologising:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

I accept he’s saying, “whoops, I screwed up” but he’s also saying, “people are calling me out, which is fine, but I don’t really see I’ve done anything wrong…”

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:09:56
From: dv
ID: 1714241
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

dv said:

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

Yes

Even worse than sniffing her chair on TV.

Buswell… that’s a blast from the past

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:11:01
From: party_pants
ID: 1714242
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


How to apologise without actually apologising:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

I accept he’s saying, “whoops, I screwed up” but he’s also saying, “people are calling me out, which is fine, but I don’t really see I’ve done anything wrong…”

“I didn’t hold the hose.”

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:12:39
From: dv
ID: 1714243
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

dv said:

I’m going to say that filming yourself masturbating on to your boss’s desk puts you below like 99.9% of average dumb male shits.

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Normally they just spaff away our money figuratively.

Baffled by transition’s contorting himself to defend this. What a weird hill to die on.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:15:02
From: transition
ID: 1714244
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

party_pants said:

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

>“everyone else is doing it too”

that’s not what he’s saying

some of his responses are distorted by extreme siege (it’s real and not his doing), regard subjects of debauchery and worse which he’s very uncomfortable with, certainly in a public environment

to some extent, it could be said, the scandals are generated by political forces that want to see ideas (and related idealizations) rule over biology, over the biological world, and as it goes the biological world doesn’t yield neatly to idealizations, or even ideas

culture is (failures of are) being pointed at as the cause of the departures from the ideal, which might be helpful sometimes, but it’s become a potential explain-all for any departures from the ideal

much as it seems learned to point at failures of culture, bubbles and whatever, truth is that force, forcefulness, probably lends to an ignorance of biology, perhaps even a devious ignorance

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:19:22
From: Cymek
ID: 1714246
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


party_pants said:

transition said:

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

>“everyone else is doing it too”

that’s not what he’s saying

some of his responses are distorted by extreme siege (it’s real and not his doing), regard subjects of debauchery and worse which he’s very uncomfortable with, certainly in a public environment

to some extent, it could be said, the scandals are generated by political forces that want to see ideas (and related idealizations) rule over biology, over the biological world, and as it goes the biological world doesn’t yield neatly to idealizations, or even ideas

culture is (failures of are) being pointed at as the cause of the departures from the ideal, which might be helpful sometimes, but it’s become a potential explain-all for any departures from the ideal

much as it seems learned to point at failures of culture, bubbles and whatever, truth is that force, forcefulness, probably lends to an ignorance of biology, perhaps even a devious ignorance

People do have control over biology especially sex acts that require effort to finish off (so to speak)

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:26:28
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1714247
Subject: re: Aust Politics

”Political forces ruling over biology”

Goodo, a reasonable excuse for rape, especially within the centre of Australia’s government. Do carry on, I’d love to hear more defences of cultural behaviours degrading and disrespecting women.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:26:39
From: transition
ID: 1714248
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


transition said:

party_pants said:

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

>“everyone else is doing it too”

that’s not what he’s saying

some of his responses are distorted by extreme siege (it’s real and not his doing), regard subjects of debauchery and worse which he’s very uncomfortable with, certainly in a public environment

to some extent, it could be said, the scandals are generated by political forces that want to see ideas (and related idealizations) rule over biology, over the biological world, and as it goes the biological world doesn’t yield neatly to idealizations, or even ideas

culture is (failures of are) being pointed at as the cause of the departures from the ideal, which might be helpful sometimes, but it’s become a potential explain-all for any departures from the ideal

much as it seems learned to point at failures of culture, bubbles and whatever, truth is that force, forcefulness, probably lends to an ignorance of biology, perhaps even a devious ignorance

People do have control over biology especially sex acts that require effort to finish off (so to speak)

yeah so many doing their bit to advance the field of biology and related human nature studies, how many get past simple ideas about how it should work, a few moral thoughts, correct thoughts

yes you’re controlling the basics of homeostasis as you sit there, I bet

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:28:00
From: transition
ID: 1714249
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


”Political forces ruling over biology”

Goodo, a reasonable excuse for rape, especially within the centre of Australia’s government. Do carry on, I’d love to hear more defences of cultural behaviours degrading and disrespecting women.

that’s not what I suggested, or where I was going, so maybe have another idea

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:28:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714250
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Normally they just spaff away our money figuratively.

Baffled by transition’s contorting himself to defend this. What a weird hill to die on.

Maybe angling for the PMs job?

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:30:00
From: Cymek
ID: 1714252
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Normally they just spaff away our money figuratively.

Baffled by transition’s contorting himself to defend this. What a weird hill to die on.

Maybe angling for the PMs job?

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:31:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714253
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Normally they just spaff away our money figuratively.

Baffled by transition’s contorting himself to defend this. What a weird hill to die on.

Maybe angling for the PMs job?

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

or the darkroom.

:-)

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:31:20
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

Just stay off the lunchroom table.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:32:30
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1714255
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Cymek said:

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

Just stay off the lunchroom table.

Parliament House cleaners don’t get paid enough. Whatever they’re paid, it ain’t enough to deal with that.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:32:52
From: Cymek
ID: 1714256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Cymek said:

JudgeMental said:

Maybe angling for the PMs job?

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

or the darkroom.

:-)

If they have one

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:34:23
From: Cymek
ID: 1714257
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

Just stay off the lunchroom table.

Parliament House cleaners don’t get paid enough. Whatever they’re paid, it ain’t enough to deal with that.

“Oh Mr Hart what a mess”

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:39:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1714258
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Just stay off the lunchroom table.

Parliament House cleaners don’t get paid enough. Whatever they’re paid, it ain’t enough to deal with that.

“Oh Mr Hart what a mess”

LOL.

I’m old enough to remember that ad.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:47:53
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1714259
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Parliament House cleaners don’t get paid enough. Whatever they’re paid, it ain’t enough to deal with that.

“Oh Mr Hart what a mess”

LOL.

I’m old enough to remember that ad.

At least that was only paint and spaghetti.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:50:00
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1714261
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Parliament House cleaners don’t get paid enough. Whatever they’re paid, it ain’t enough to deal with that.

“Oh Mr Hart what a mess”

LOL.

I’m old enough to remember that ad.

But can you remember what it was advertising?

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:50:21
From: dv
ID: 1714262
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Normally they just spaff away our money figuratively.

Baffled by transition’s contorting himself to defend this. What a weird hill to die on.

Maybe angling for the PMs job?

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

That’s not what this was. It wasn’t an excess of sexual urge: it was videoed and distributed as a performative dominance display to humiliate a female superior.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:50:50
From: dv
ID: 1714263
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


party_pants said:

Cymek said:

“Oh Mr Hart what a mess”

LOL.

I’m old enough to remember that ad.

But can you remember what it was advertising?

Carpet?

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:53:27
From: party_pants
ID: 1714264
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


party_pants said:

Cymek said:

“Oh Mr Hart what a mess”

LOL.

I’m old enough to remember that ad.

But can you remember what it was advertising?

Yes. Carpet.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:54:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1714265
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Cymek said:

JudgeMental said:

Maybe angling for the PMs job?

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

That’s not what this was. It wasn’t an excess of sexual urge: it was videoed and distributed as a performative dominance display to humiliate a female superior.

Yes. Well put.

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Date: 23/03/2021 14:58:10
From: Cymek
ID: 1714268
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Cymek said:

JudgeMental said:

Maybe angling for the PMs job?

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

That’s not what this was. It wasn’t an excess of sexual urge: it was videoed and distributed as a performative dominance display to humiliate a female superior.

True, I mean in general though

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Date: 23/03/2021 15:02:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714272
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 23/03/2021 15:22:02
From: Ian
ID: 1714283
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://twitter.com/i/status/1374111794956881923

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Date: 23/03/2021 15:46:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714289
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It also begs the question: why was he briefed on this alleged News Corp complaint, but not on an alleged rape in Parliament House?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

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Date: 23/03/2021 15:47:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714290
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


It also begs the question: why was he briefed on this alleged News Corp complaint, but not on an alleged rape in Parliament House?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-changed-the-script-women-sexism-political/100023188

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:12:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714294
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

A former government staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins had breached security on a previous occasion, the Prime Minister has revealed.

> Going on all that has come from the person from ‘nothing in nothing out’ in the PMO, does this constitute another rape?

Is that how Scomo views rape? As a breach of security?

well we mean it also is

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:19:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

party_pants said:

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

He mustn’t be praying hard enough. Maybe he should try flagellation?

we thought that is exactly what happened to the desk

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:20:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

He mustn’t be praying hard enough. Maybe he should try flagellation?

you could get into politics, you seem not to mind being part of a force delivering heat, I assume you could probably take a bit too, do the job

I wonder if you could protect yourself by admitting any wrong doings to the media (that way they can be used later against you) and just generally behave
Perhaps the PM is an independent so they can actually call people out for acting like “insert swear word” and not be disloyal (even though people acting they way they do is disloyal)

you can’t because as NSW have found this year if you open the floodgates while there’s a flood, or last year if you Let It Rip while it’s ripping, then being burdened by a lot of pent up tension is the least of your worries

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:21:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714302
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’m so glad I got to hear about it, mostly I block out any thoughts or imaginings of other peoples whatever activities that way, typically done in private and kept private for good reason, but you know occasionally a reminder of why I don’t indulge in intrigue that way is helpful

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Normally they just spaff away our money figuratively.

Baffled by transition’s contorting himself to defend this. What a weird hill to die on.

why are any of the defenders defending like crazy, that’s the question here

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:27:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714305
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Dark Mofo
1 hr ·
We’ve heard the community’s response to Santiago Sierra’s Union Flag. In the end the hurt that will be caused by proceeding isn’t worth it.
We made a mistake, and take full responsibility. The project will be cancelled.
We apologise to all First Nations people for any hurt that has been caused. We are sorry.
Leigh Carmichael

Two things: isn’t art supposed to be provocative? Also, have they received donated blood and what are they going to do with it?

Dunno.

I’m going to have to up my game on this provocative shit everyone is expecting.

what is what we’re saying is that images of a common everyday object covered in a willingly donated bodily fluid should be art, why all the outrage

and-or

having received such a willingly donated bodily fluid, people should appreciate the gift and ensure it is used to its maximum biological utility

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:29:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714308
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

Seriously though if people can’t control urges to have sex at work at least use the bathroom

That’s not what this was. It wasn’t an excess of sexual urge: it was videoed and distributed as a performative dominance display to humiliate a female superior.

True, I mean in general though

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:30:27
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1714309
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

dv said:

That’s not what this was. It wasn’t an excess of sexual urge: it was videoed and distributed as a performative dominance display to humiliate a female superior.

True, I mean in general though


What was the desk wearing?

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Date: 23/03/2021 16:32:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

True, I mean in general though


What was the desk wearing?

their legs are usually exposed

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:14:11
From: Rule 303
ID: 1714322
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Take that, ScoMo!

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:16:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714324
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Take that, ScoMo!


don’t worry they’ll be back to supporting him in a flip of the page

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:17:02
From: dv
ID: 1714325
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Take that, ScoMo!


Ah

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:19:30
From: dv
ID: 1714327
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Mr Morrison can call a standard half-Senate election at any time between August 7 this year and May 21 next year, according to the Parliamentary Library, with Liberals saying privately that a poll in the first months of 2022 is most likely.”

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/greens-election-strategy-bets-on-australians-embracing-hung-parliament-20210321-p57clv.html

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:19:31
From: dv
ID: 1714328
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Mr Morrison can call a standard half-Senate election at any time between August 7 this year and May 21 next year, according to the Parliamentary Library, with Liberals saying privately that a poll in the first months of 2022 is most likely.”

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/greens-election-strategy-bets-on-australians-embracing-hung-parliament-20210321-p57clv.html

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:20:37
From: party_pants
ID: 1714330
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Take that, ScoMo!


Perhaps Mr Miller wasn’t briefed by his staff.

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:26:42
From: Rule 303
ID: 1714337
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In other news, Is Dr. Katie Allen jumping ship?

She seems to have removed any association with the party from her web page.

https://katieallen.com.au/

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:31:53
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714341
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


In other news, Is Dr. Katie Allen jumping ship?

She seems to have removed any association with the party from her web page.

https://katieallen.com.au/

Seems deceitful.

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:32:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714342
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Did you see this DV?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/sue-hickey-renegade-tasmania-liberal-analysis/100020724

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:33:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714345
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Rule 303 said:

In other news, Is Dr. Katie Allen jumping ship?

She seems to have removed any association with the party from her web page.

https://katieallen.com.au/

Seems deceitful.

doesn’t want them harming her reelection prospects

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:39:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714348
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Did you see this DV?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/sue-hickey-renegade-tasmania-liberal-analysis/100020724

I don’t much about her except her insistence that nearly $200,000 a year wasn’t enough for her invaluable contribution.

I wouldn’t have thought she has much chance of re-election.

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:44:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714353
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Did you see this DV?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/sue-hickey-renegade-tasmania-liberal-analysis/100020724

I don’t much about her except her insistence that nearly $200,000 a year wasn’t enough for her invaluable contribution.

I wouldn’t have thought she has much chance of re-election.

Except for the people who don’t want to vote for the libs, labs or greens. She only has to get 20%.

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Date: 23/03/2021 17:53:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714355
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/23/2021/1616472776/man-glass-house

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Date: 23/03/2021 18:21:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714370
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Attorney-General Michaelia Cash Agrees That While The Matter Is A Complex One, Nothing In The Fact That The Accuser Died Soon After, Or Legal Opinions That Prosecution Can No Longer Proceed, Contradicts Her (the accuser’s) Claim About The Actions Of The No-Longer-Acting Attorney-General, Nor Suggested She (the accuser) Was Being Untruthful

But in a statement to 7.30, Acting Attorney-General Michaelia Cash said that while the matter was a complex one, nothing in what Justice McKerracher wrote contradicted the government’s claim about the flaws in Labor’s scheme, nor suggested the Attorney-General did anything to mislead the public on this matter.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/porter-disclosed-limited-part-legal-advice-medevac-tribunal-find/13267942

The AAT’s Justice Neil McKerracher observed in his decision on why the advice should be released, that Mr Porter had “elected to disclose a limited part of this advice in a press release which, rather than justifying a course of action or seeking to demonstrate due process in reaching a decision, sought instead to convince the public that the government’s political opponent had caused poorly drafted legislation to be rushed through Parliament without proper consideration being given to it”.

Justice McKerracher said he considered Mr Porter’s “apparent conduct in disclosing a limited part of legal advice for the partial purpose of gaining a political advantage is inconsistent with the maintenance of legal professional privilege”.

Shadow Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus told 7.30: “The crux of this is that no Attorney-General of Australia should ever misrepresent advice that has been obtained.

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Date: 23/03/2021 19:56:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714392
Subject: re: Aust Politics

it’s possible that precedents and role modelling matter

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Date: 23/03/2021 19:59:54
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1714393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


it’s possible that precedents and role modelling matter


So he’s going after her for defamation but calls her a weirdo. Rightyo.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:05:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714396
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

party_pants said:

… and rightly so.

He has not answered the question,

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

Hear hear. Scotty deserves all the criticism that can be hurled at the chicken livered bastard.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:06:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Yes

Even worse than sniffing her chair on TV.

Buswell… that’s a blast from the past

That’s the degenerate, yes.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:06:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714398
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Divine Angel said:

How to apologise without actually apologising:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

I accept he’s saying, “whoops, I screwed up” but he’s also saying, “people are calling me out, which is fine, but I don’t really see I’ve done anything wrong…”

“I didn’t hold the hose.”

Well he should have. He might have scoured the place clean of crap.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:07:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714399
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


party_pants said:

transition said:

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

>“everyone else is doing it too”

that’s not what he’s saying

some of his responses are distorted by extreme siege (it’s real and not his doing), regard subjects of debauchery and worse which he’s very uncomfortable with, certainly in a public environment

to some extent, it could be said, the scandals are generated by political forces that want to see ideas (and related idealizations) rule over biology, over the biological world, and as it goes the biological world doesn’t yield neatly to idealizations, or even ideas

culture is (failures of are) being pointed at as the cause of the departures from the ideal, which might be helpful sometimes, but it’s become a potential explain-all for any departures from the ideal

much as it seems learned to point at failures of culture, bubbles and whatever, truth is that force, forcefulness, probably lends to an ignorance of biology, perhaps even a devious ignorance

There is no truth coming from Scott Morrison other than that he is a weasel.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:11:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714400
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


It also begs the question: why was he briefed on this alleged News Corp complaint, but not on an alleged rape in Parliament House?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

It is a fair question.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:14:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714401
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Private? This was in his workplace, in his boss’s office, filmed by staff and shared amongst them. These people are being paid hefty professional fees of taxpayer’s money to provide supposedly valuable services.

Normally they just spaff away our money figuratively.

Baffled by transition’s contorting himself to defend this. What a weird hill to die on.

why are any of the defenders defending like crazy, that’s the question here

It is a fair question.
But more what are they defending? or who?

The what is their perceived right to be wite male pricks.
The who is one of their own.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:15:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714402
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

dv said:

That’s not what this was. It wasn’t an excess of sexual urge: it was videoed and distributed as a performative dominance display to humiliate a female superior.

True, I mean in general though


Symbolism.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:17:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714403
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Take that, ScoMo!


Time for news corp to sue Scotty for defamation.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:20:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714405
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kevin Rudd

4 hrs · #ScottyFromMarketing has a Damascus Road experience on how to handle sexual harassment and the assault of women.
So what happened to his “let’s just dig in” strategy from yesterday?
Scotty just got polling research that they’re bleeding votes.
All politics. No principle.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:21:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714407
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

It also begs the question: why was he briefed on this alleged News Corp complaint, but not on an alleged rape in Parliament House?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

It is a fair question.

But it does seem he made it up.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:25:07
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“I can imagine how angry I would be if that was Jenny’s desk”

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/scotty-brought-to-tears-after-imagining-that-desk-belonging-to-jenny/

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:33:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714410
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

It also begs the question: why was he briefed on this alleged News Corp complaint, but not on an alleged rape in Parliament House?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

It is a fair question.

But it does seem he made it up.

Classic hand waving.. Look over there so I don’t have to answer.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:34:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


“I can imagine how angry I would be if that was Jenny’s desk”

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/scotty-brought-to-tears-after-imagining-that-desk-belonging-to-jenny/

But would he get angry if a woman rubbed her clit on his chair?

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:48:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“The young fellow concerned was a really good worker and he loved the place. And I feel bad for him about this.”
Via Twitter

Nationals backbencher Michelle Landry – the assistant minister for children and families – expresses sympathy for the man sacked for masturbating over the desk of a female MP.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/23/2021/1616472776/man-glass-house

Not-so-super plan scrapped

“A proposal to let those fleeing domestic violence access their superannuation funds early has been scrapped by the Morrison government after widespread concerns about the possibility of financial abuse.”
Nine Media

The government has officially dumped its proposed domestic violence superannuation policy.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:57:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714416
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

How to apologise without actually apologising:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/scott-morrison-parliament-house-sexism-culture-transcript/100022908

I accept he’s saying, “whoops, I screwed up” but he’s also saying, “people are calling me out, which is fine, but I don’t really see I’ve done anything wrong…”

“I didn’t hold the hose.”

Well he should have. He might have scoured the place clean of crap.

He’s done a pretty good job of draining the swamp the same way his chum in DPRNA did.

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Date: 23/03/2021 20:57:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714417
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Rule 303 said:

Take that, ScoMo!


Time for news corp to sue Scotty for defamation.

Good point we forgot about that.

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Date: 23/03/2021 21:01:49
From: party_pants
ID: 1714419
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


“I can imagine how angry I would be if that was Jenny’s desk”

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/scotty-brought-to-tears-after-imagining-that-desk-belonging-to-jenny/

What if one of his children got drunk and fell asleep on a couch?

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Date: 23/03/2021 22:22:45
From: transition
ID: 1714438
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

transition said:

the guy has been under siege now for quite a while, and the psychological strain is very evident, and it couldn’t be said that he’s arranged the forces of the siege to put strain on himself, tried to crush himself with stories of debauchery and whatever

there are also variously other aspects to his job, quite demanding stuff i’d guess, global pandemic, economic recovery, stuff that doesn’t happen by way of some magic, effortless magic

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

Hear hear. Scotty deserves all the criticism that can be hurled at the chicken livered bastard.

what if the contempt for something apparently external, contemptible, evolved to the point people started believing it originated external, that in my opinion would be a degenerate psychological, social, and political trend, and that could be where things are headed, no less so recently

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Date: 23/03/2021 22:50:45
From: transition
ID: 1714442
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

There’s all of that, but I am questioning his response by attacking the news organisation that is asking the question. It is not answering the question, or if it is an answer to the question it is “everyone else is doing it too”. Which is no justification. I for one, expect parliament to be run on a higher standard than private companies. Parliament must be a role model.

Hear hear. Scotty deserves all the criticism that can be hurled at the chicken livered bastard.

what if the contempt for something apparently external, contemptible, evolved to the point people started believing it originated external, that in my opinion would be a degenerate psychological, social, and political trend, and that could be where things are headed, no less so recently

many seem disinclined to solely own their own contempt apparently, rather they take on others’ contempt in exchange for others presumably expressing theirs, a swap of sorts, a dubious share if ever, saves it from self-study i’d expect, it’s not like an entirely natural business that contempt inclines the study of itself

and here we are, all being encouraged to join in the orgy of contempt

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Date: 23/03/2021 22:54:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1714444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

Hear hear. Scotty deserves all the criticism that can be hurled at the chicken livered bastard.

what if the contempt for something apparently external, contemptible, evolved to the point people started believing it originated external, that in my opinion would be a degenerate psychological, social, and political trend, and that could be where things are headed, no less so recently

many seem disinclined to solely own their own contempt apparently, rather they take on others’ contempt in exchange for others presumably expressing theirs, a swap of sorts, a dubious share if ever, saves it from self-study i’d expect, it’s not like an entirely natural business that contempt inclines the study of itself

and here we are, all being encouraged to join in the orgy of contempt

Isn’t most of the behavior contemptible?

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Date: 23/03/2021 22:55:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

Hear hear. Scotty deserves all the criticism that can be hurled at the chicken livered bastard.

what if the contempt for something apparently external, contemptible, evolved to the point people started believing it originated external, that in my opinion would be a degenerate psychological, social, and political trend, and that could be where things are headed, no less so recently

many seem disinclined to solely own their own contempt apparently, rather they take on others’ contempt in exchange for others presumably expressing theirs, a swap of sorts, a dubious share if ever, saves it from self-study i’d expect, it’s not like an entirely natural business that contempt inclines the study of itself

and here we are, all being encouraged to join in the orgy of contempt

This isn’t the be all and end all of me being pissed.I have broad and sweeping pissedoffedness.

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Date: 23/03/2021 22:57:11
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714447
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

Hear hear. Scotty deserves all the criticism that can be hurled at the chicken livered bastard.

what if the contempt for something apparently external, contemptible, evolved to the point people started believing it originated external, that in my opinion would be a degenerate psychological, social, and political trend, and that could be where things are headed, no less so recently

many seem disinclined to solely own their own contempt apparently, rather they take on others’ contempt in exchange for others presumably expressing theirs, a swap of sorts, a dubious share if ever, saves it from self-study i’d expect, it’s not like an entirely natural business that contempt inclines the study of itself

and here we are, all being encouraged to join in the orgy of contempt

thanks for joining in.

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Date: 23/03/2021 23:01:34
From: dv
ID: 1714448
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Christ on a bike transition, do you have any skerrick of human values?

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Date: 23/03/2021 23:02:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Christ on a bike transition, do you have any skerrick of human values?

LOL, it’s a matter of trying to show how much better he is than us. and failing miserably.

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Date: 23/03/2021 23:10:39
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1714450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

Christ on a bike transition, do you have any skerrick of human values?

LOL, it’s a matter of trying to show how much better he is than us. and failing miserably.

Personally I seldom have any idea what he’s going on about.

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Date: 23/03/2021 23:19:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 23/03/2021 23:20:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714453
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Christ on a bike transition, do you have any skerrick of human values?

LOL, it’s a matter of trying to show how much better he is than us. and failing miserably.

Personally I seldom have any idea what he’s going on about.

Just get rid of all the caveat bits.

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Date: 24/03/2021 00:21:08
From: transition
ID: 1714460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Christ on a bike transition, do you have any skerrick of human values?

i’m not much territorially invested here, or in the subject, I would though of your proposition challenge the extent most natural individuals consider themselves a model of human values, or that they start from that

you could of course have been advertising that you are modestly endowed with human values, I couldn’t be sure

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Date: 24/03/2021 01:51:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714464
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been forced to make an embarrassing apology, conceding his claim media giant News Corp needed to clean up its own house before lecturing others on workplace behaviour was “insensitive” and based on wrong information.

Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has withdrawn from a high-profile international conference next month as uncertainty mounts over her future in the crucial frontbench role.

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Date: 24/03/2021 02:01:37
From: furious
ID: 1714465
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The only thing I know about this is what you wrote but how was Linda intending attending with, you know, covid happening? I suppose it could be a teleconference. Actually, I’d cancel too, the best part of a conference is in the going…

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Date: 24/03/2021 07:01:03
From: buffy
ID: 1714477
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been forced to make an embarrassing apology, conceding his claim media giant News Corp needed to clean up its own house before lecturing others on workplace behaviour was “insensitive” and based on wrong information.

Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has withdrawn from a high-profile international conference next month as uncertainty mounts over her future in the crucial frontbench role.

Gotta love the timing of the apology. In the dark of the night. Very late. Perhaps it will get lost in the later news?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/pm-scott-morrison-apologises-for-allegation/100024874

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Date: 24/03/2021 08:06:06
From: transition
ID: 1714487
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been forced to make an embarrassing apology, conceding his claim media giant News Corp needed to clean up its own house before lecturing others on workplace behaviour was “insensitive” and based on wrong information.

Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has withdrawn from a high-profile international conference next month as uncertainty mounts over her future in the crucial frontbench role.

Gotta love the timing of the apology. In the dark of the night. Very late. Perhaps it will get lost in the later news?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/pm-scott-morrison-apologises-for-allegation/100024874

you’d need a black hole wander past the planet to bury that, given the frenzy around the subject, so reckon it’d be a stretch to attribute that intention

it’s not the sort of troubles anyone could avoid taking into the night, or home, such is the element of mischief about it, out in the wild now

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Date: 24/03/2021 08:31:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714493
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/laura-tingle-on-the-prime-ministers-apology/13270266

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Date: 24/03/2021 08:32:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714494
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:

  • Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has withdrawn from a high-profile international conference next month as uncertainty mounts over her future in the crucial frontbench role.

The only thing I know about this is what you wrote but how was Linda intending attending with, you know, covid happening? I suppose it could be a teleconference. Actually, I’d cancel too, the best part of a conference is in the going…

same way Corman could apply for that OECD job OS, I guess.

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Date: 24/03/2021 08:54:52
From: buffy
ID: 1714502
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


furious said:
  • Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has withdrawn from a high-profile international conference next month as uncertainty mounts over her future in the crucial frontbench role.

The only thing I know about this is what you wrote but how was Linda intending attending with, you know, covid happening? I suppose it could be a teleconference. Actually, I’d cancel too, the best part of a conference is in the going…

same way Corman could apply for that OECD job OS, I guess.

So she gets an airforce plane for her use too?

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Date: 24/03/2021 08:56:56
From: buffy
ID: 1714503
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been forced to make an embarrassing apology, conceding his claim media giant News Corp needed to clean up its own house before lecturing others on workplace behaviour was “insensitive” and based on wrong information.

Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has withdrawn from a high-profile international conference next month as uncertainty mounts over her future in the crucial frontbench role.

Gotta love the timing of the apology. In the dark of the night. Very late. Perhaps it will get lost in the later news?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/pm-scott-morrison-apologises-for-allegation/100024874

you’d need a black hole wander past the planet to bury that, given the frenzy around the subject, so reckon it’d be a stretch to attribute that intention

it’s not the sort of troubles anyone could avoid taking into the night, or home, such is the element of mischief about it, out in the wild now

ABC has it top of the pops.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/

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Date: 24/03/2021 08:59:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

furious said:
  • Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has withdrawn from a high-profile international conference next month as uncertainty mounts over her future in the crucial frontbench role.

The only thing I know about this is what you wrote but how was Linda intending attending with, you know, covid happening? I suppose it could be a teleconference. Actually, I’d cancel too, the best part of a conference is in the going…

same way Corman could apply for that OECD job OS, I guess.

So she gets an airforce plane for her use too?

either that or just a regular flight.

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Date: 24/03/2021 09:29:54
From: Woodie
ID: 1714511
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


……………………………….. Actually, I’d cancel too, the best part of a conference is in the going…

…………… and the piss ups and shaggin’ that goes on back at the hotel.

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:04:51
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714526
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


transition said:

buffy said:

Gotta love the timing of the apology. In the dark of the night. Very late. Perhaps it will get lost in the later news?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/pm-scott-morrison-apologises-for-allegation/100024874

you’d need a black hole wander past the planet to bury that, given the frenzy around the subject, so reckon it’d be a stretch to attribute that intention

it’s not the sort of troubles anyone could avoid taking into the night, or home, such is the element of mischief about it, out in the wild now

ABC has it top of the pops.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/

Hardly surprising.

When you’ve got a prominent member of the government taking you to court on a bullshit defamation charge, you can be forgiven for giving prominence to his boss admitting that he, the boss, talks unfounded and slanderous nonsense as well.

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:06:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714527
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


transition said:

buffy said:

Gotta love the timing of the apology. In the dark of the night. Very late. Perhaps it will get lost in the later news?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/pm-scott-morrison-apologises-for-allegation/100024874

you’d need a black hole wander past the planet to bury that, given the frenzy around the subject, so reckon it’d be a stretch to attribute that intention

it’s not the sort of troubles anyone could avoid taking into the night, or home, such is the element of mischief about it, out in the wild now

ABC has it top of the pops.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/

right but the implication is that Marketing isn’t doing it on purpose, it’s not planned, it just came out at that time by accident, because anyone with competence might actually have a plan, but our prime minister is a useless bigot and things just happen to him

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:07:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714529
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

transition said:

you’d need a black hole wander past the planet to bury that, given the frenzy around the subject, so reckon it’d be a stretch to attribute that intention

it’s not the sort of troubles anyone could avoid taking into the night, or home, such is the element of mischief about it, out in the wild now

ABC has it top of the pops.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/

Hardly surprising.

When you’ve got a prominent member of the government taking you to court on a bullshit defamation charge, you can be forgiven for giving prominence to his boss admitting that he, the boss, talks unfounded and slanderous nonsense as well.

So well put.

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:07:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714531
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


buffy said:

transition said:

you’d need a black hole wander past the planet to bury that, given the frenzy around the subject, so reckon it’d be a stretch to attribute that intention

it’s not the sort of troubles anyone could avoid taking into the night, or home, such is the element of mischief about it, out in the wild now

ABC has it top of the pops.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/

right but the implication is that Marketing isn’t doing it on purpose, it’s not planned, it just came out at that time by accident, because anyone with competence might actually have a plan, but our prime minister is a useless bigot and things just happen to him

That’s how he speaks. He always implies exactly that.

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:13:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714540
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

right but the implication is that Marketing isn’t doing it on purpose, it’s not planned, it just came out at that time by accident, because anyone with competence might actually have a plan, but our prime minister is a useless bigot and things just happen to him

That’s how he speaks. He always implies exactly that.

It probably is the case, because he’s not the man for the job.

PMs usually preside over a bunch of people which may include duplicitous, self-obsessed, ego-driven, criminally-inclined dingbats with inflated feelings of entitlement and grandeur and the absence of a moral compass.

It takes someone who can out-thug them (well-bred and well-educated thugs they may or may not be, but thugs they are), and who can keep them scared enough to keep them in line.

You need a good gang boss.

And Sooty ain’t the man.

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:17:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714546
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

right but the implication is that Marketing isn’t doing it on purpose, it’s not planned, it just came out at that time by accident, because anyone with competence might actually have a plan, but our prime minister is a useless bigot and things just happen to him

That’s how he speaks. He always implies exactly that.

It probably is the case, because he’s not the man for the job.

PMs usually preside over a bunch of people which may include duplicitous, self-obsessed, ego-driven, criminally-inclined dingbats with inflated feelings of entitlement and grandeur and the absence of a moral compass.

It takes someone who can out-thug them (well-bred and well-educated thugs they may or may not be, but thugs they are), and who can keep them scared enough to keep them in line.

You need a good gang boss.

And Sooty ain’t the man.

But he thinks he’s thugging it out.

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:19:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714550
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

But he thinks he’s thugging it out.

He’s just lapsing back into his PR days.

Out there, desperately making up bum-coverage and spin on the fly.

That’s what his ministers and staffers seem to consider to be his main function.

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Date: 24/03/2021 10:21:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714554
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

But he thinks he’s thugging it out.

He’s just lapsing back into his PR days.

Out there, desperately making up bum-coverage and spin on the fly.

That’s what his ministers and staffers seem to consider to be his main function.

look over there. Yes, they use him as a shield to bounce the heat off them. the

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:15:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714701
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:20:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1714702
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



FMD.

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:22:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714704
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


JudgeMental said:


FMD.

I think i said something earlier about some people in government being “…duplicitous, self-obsessed, ego-driven, criminally-inclined dingbats with inflated feelings of entitlement and grandeur and the absence of a moral compass’…

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:24:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714706
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



Mr Abetz is on a tour of De Nile river.

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:34:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714708
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

JudgeMental said:


FMD.

I think i said something earlier about some people in government being “…duplicitous, self-obsessed, ego-driven, criminally-inclined dingbats with inflated feelings of entitlement and grandeur and the absence of a moral compass’…

That is the course one has to pass to be able to get there. It is more about what they do afterwards.

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:36:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1714709
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

FMD.

I think i said something earlier about some people in government being “…duplicitous, self-obsessed, ego-driven, criminally-inclined dingbats with inflated feelings of entitlement and grandeur and the absence of a moral compass’…

That is the course one has to pass to be able to get there. It is more about what they do afterwards.

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:41:24
From: Woodie
ID: 1714710
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I think i said something earlier about some people in government being “…duplicitous, self-obsessed, ego-driven, criminally-inclined dingbats with inflated feelings of entitlement and grandeur and the absence of a moral compass’…

That is the course one has to pass to be able to get there. It is more about what they do afterwards.

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:44:17
From: buffy
ID: 1714711
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

That is the course one has to pass to be able to get there. It is more about what they do afterwards.

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Oh dear, I seem to be channelling Woodie. Sorry about that. He’s been called Erica in our family since forever…courtesy of my Hobart brother.

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Date: 24/03/2021 13:49:29
From: Ian
ID: 1714713
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

That is the course one has to pass to be able to get there. It is more about what they do afterwards.

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Eric Abetz ‘categorically’ denies making comments

Eric Abetz is back in defence estimates, and says a statement will be coming out very soon – but he “categorically” denies the comments Sue Hickey accused him of making.

“For the record, categorically denied, and a full statement not under parliamentary privilege will be issued shortly.”

Erica says one thing and Sue another.. hmm

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:01:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714717
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Oh dear, I seem to be channelling Woodie. Sorry about that. He’s been called Erica in our family since forever…courtesy of my Hobart brother.

Well, it just works that way. Same here by the way.

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:02:18
From: Michael V
ID: 1714719
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Oh dear, I seem to be channelling Woodie. Sorry about that. He’s been called Erica in our family since forever…courtesy of my Hobart brother.

I’ve been calling him Erica for ages, too.

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:03:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714720
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Eric Abetz ‘categorically’ denies making comments

Eric Abetz is back in defence estimates, and says a statement will be coming out very soon – but he “categorically” denies the comments Sue Hickey accused him of making.

“For the record, categorically denied, and a full statement not under parliamentary privilege will be issued shortly.”

Erica says one thing and Sue another.. hmm

She’s just a woman. Who’d listen to her?

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:03:50
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1714721
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

The Hon. Senator may not be all of those things, but i suggest that he probably qualifies on five of the seven defects listed.

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Eric Abetz ‘categorically’ denies making comments

Eric Abetz is back in defence estimates, and says a statement will be coming out very soon – but he “categorically” denies the comments Sue Hickey accused him of making.

“For the record, categorically denied, and a full statement not under parliamentary privilege will be issued shortly.”

Erica says one thing and Sue another.. hmm

can’t wait for the audio recording to be released

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:05:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714722
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


buffy said:

Woodie said:

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Oh dear, I seem to be channelling Woodie. Sorry about that. He’s been called Erica in our family since forever…courtesy of my Hobart brother.

I’ve been calling him Erica for ages, too.

In the long version.. Erica takes Bets
She’s a big gambler in the male strength of mind, complete with stiff, both lips.

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:05:48
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1714723
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“but come on, us blokes are trying our best you know; surely that should be all that matters”

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:06:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714724
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:

“but come on, us blokes are trying our best you know; surely that should be all that matters”

Well fuck, you women should be washing dishes.

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:16:19
From: Woodie
ID: 1714731
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Woodie said:

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Oh dear, I seem to be channelling Woodie. Sorry about that. He’s been called Erica in our family since forever…courtesy of my Hobart brother.

Well, it just works that way. Same here by the way.

All those years ago, I actually thought it was Erica Betts. Until I was more enlightened about these things, and saw she was a he and was bald and fat.

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:17:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714733
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Oh dear, I seem to be channelling Woodie. Sorry about that. He’s been called Erica in our family since forever…courtesy of my Hobart brother.

Well, it just works that way. Same here by the way.

All those years ago, I actually thought it was Erica Betts. Until I was more enlightened about these things, and saw she was a he and was bald and fat.

I had a similar epiphany.

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:22:38
From: Woodie
ID: 1714739
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Ian said:

Woodie said:

Good old Erica hey? Never fails to live up to his standards.

Eric Abetz ‘categorically’ denies making comments

Eric Abetz is back in defence estimates, and says a statement will be coming out very soon – but he “categorically” denies the comments Sue Hickey accused him of making.

“For the record, categorically denied, and a full statement not under parliamentary privilege will be issued shortly.”

Erica says one thing and Sue another.. hmm

She’s just a woman. Who’d listen to her?

I actually had a boss that said that once. To a female Manager. He was also homophobic as well as a misogynist. He even wrote my own resignation for me, put it in front of me, and told me if I didn’t sign it, he would have me sacked. When was that? Oh….. around 1998.

Oh. And no. I didn’t sign it, and I wasn’t sacked, but he eventually was. I saw to that.

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Date: 24/03/2021 14:24:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1714741
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


roughbarked said:

Ian said:

Eric Abetz ‘categorically’ denies making comments

Eric Abetz is back in defence estimates, and says a statement will be coming out very soon – but he “categorically” denies the comments Sue Hickey accused him of making.

“For the record, categorically denied, and a full statement not under parliamentary privilege will be issued shortly.”

Erica says one thing and Sue another.. hmm

She’s just a woman. Who’d listen to her?

I actually had a boss that said that once. To a female Manager. He was also homophobic as well as a misogynist. He even wrote my own resignation for me, put it in front of me, and told me if I didn’t sign it, he would have me sacked. When was that? Oh….. around 1998.

Oh. And no. I didn’t sign it, and I wasn’t sacked, but he eventually was. I saw to that.

Well done you.

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Date: 24/03/2021 18:01:02
From: dv
ID: 1714860
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/03/2021 18:02:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Ha. Is that one of yours?

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Date: 24/03/2021 18:10:35
From: dv
ID: 1714863
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:


Ha. Is that one of yours?

No

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Date: 24/03/2021 19:54:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714892
Subject: re: Aust Politics

good to see Porter’s and Reynold’s careers have hit a dead end.

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Date: 24/03/2021 19:56:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714893
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


good to see Porter’s and Reynold’s careers have hit a dead end.

Yeah but the new defence minister will be….

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Date: 24/03/2021 19:57:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714895
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


JudgeMental said:

good to see Porter’s and Reynold’s careers have hit a dead end.

Yeah but the new defence minister will be….


sure, but those others have their dreams smashed. take the small wins.

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Date: 24/03/2021 20:43:49
From: transition
ID: 1714919
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


JudgeMental said:

good to see Porter’s and Reynold’s careers have hit a dead end.

Yeah but the new defence minister will be….


don’t think i’d like to be in that place with cameras on, highly unnatural environment i’d reckon, feel like a lab rat or something, the citizens of democracy looking in with the love, though possibly some joy for viewers being able to pick their noses or whatever in private while observing, watch it all on the TV, ABC or whatever

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Date: 24/03/2021 20:56:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1714925
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

good to see Porter’s and Reynold’s careers have hit a dead end.

Yeah but the new defence minister will be….


don’t think i’d like to be in that place with cameras on, highly unnatural environment i’d reckon, feel like a lab rat or something, the citizens of democracy looking in with the love, though possibly some joy for viewers being able to pick their noses or whatever in private while observing, watch it all on the TV, ABC or whatever

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Date: 24/03/2021 20:57:50
From: dv
ID: 1714926
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Seems to me that some people selectively forget how language works

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Date: 24/03/2021 20:58:42
From: dv
ID: 1714927
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Yeah but the new defence minister will be….


don’t think i’d like to be in that place with cameras on, highly unnatural environment i’d reckon, feel like a lab rat or something, the citizens of democracy looking in with the love, though possibly some joy for viewers being able to pick their noses or whatever in private while observing, watch it all on the TV, ABC or whatever

Sontar-ha! Sontar-ha!

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:04:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I don’t suppose Eric Abetz couldnt be relegated to further out on the backbench…

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:05:35
From: dv
ID: 1714932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


I don’t suppose Eric Abetz couldnt be relegated to further out on the backbench…

I don’t there is a way out back and into the paddock bench

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:10:59
From: transition
ID: 1714934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Seems to me that some people selectively forget how language works

chuckle

i’d reckon most people have sex so they have a good sleep, not much else to it really

a perverse idea, sure

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:13:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714936
Subject: re: Aust Politics

must be nice to have been married so long that that is all there is to it.

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:13:40
From: dv
ID: 1714938
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

Seems to me that some people selectively forget how language works

chuckle

i’d reckon most people have sex so they have a good sleep, not much else to it really

a perverse idea, sure

Utterly irrelevant.

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:26:46
From: party_pants
ID: 1714943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


I don’t suppose Eric Abetz couldnt be relegated to further out on the backbench…

A bit further down the Senate ticket would be good.

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:28:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714945
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

I don’t suppose Eric Abetz couldnt be relegated to further out on the backbench…

A bit further down the Senate ticket would be good.

relegated to 2nd division

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:30:50
From: Rule 303
ID: 1714947
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Seems to me that some people selectively forget how language works

In the last couple of weeks, I’ve had three women describe situations where a man has created a confrontation over some minor conflict, and used an aggressive stance with a weapon in their hand (one knife, one axe, one chainsaw). Even when there’s nothing sexual about it, even if they’re not overtly threatening violence, there’s a capacity for violence that the women are perceiving.

I’m sure the men involved would dismiss their concerns as ridiculous.

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Date: 24/03/2021 21:52:25
From: dv
ID: 1714955
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The latest population data confirms what we already know — immigration has stalled.

What wasn’t clear until now is that Australia’s population has actually shrunk.

More people left the nation between July and September last year than arrived here.

That led to our population falling by 4,200 people, or 0.02 per cent.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/population-declines-as-covid-border-closures-bite/13256938

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Date: 24/03/2021 22:00:31
From: Rule 303
ID: 1714963
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The latest population data confirms what we already know — immigration has stalled.

What wasn’t clear until now is that Australia’s population has actually shrunk.

More people left the nation between July and September last year than arrived here.

That led to our population falling by 4,200 people, or 0.02 per cent.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/population-declines-as-covid-border-closures-bite/13256938

I believe it’s been thought for a while that we were below reproductive parity.

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Date: 24/03/2021 22:31:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1714972
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Heidi Ruckriegel
heidierr Replying to MFWitches
If my cat was still alive, he would make a better PM than Morrison. He was polite to everyone, showed guests to their room, chased any size dog out of the garden, never stole anything from the kitchen unless there was nobody in there and only rarely pissed on my husband’s banjo.
8:47 PM · Mar 24, 2021·Twitter Web App

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Date: 24/03/2021 22:42:20
From: badchap
ID: 1714975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Heidi Ruckriegel
heidierr Replying to MFWitches
If my cat was still alive, he would make a better PM than Morrison. He was polite to everyone, showed guests to their room, chased any size dog out of the garden, never stole anything from the kitchen unless there was nobody in there and only rarely pissed on my husband’s banjo.
8:47 PM · Mar 24, 2021·Twitter Web App

— We can all learn from cat manners.

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Date: 24/03/2021 23:38:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1714983
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So what’s happened here, the fucking Marketing geniuses did another wonder¿

and let some other bigots have a go at the top positions and fuck up more shit, it’s brilliant.

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Date: 24/03/2021 23:48:02
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1714985
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


So what’s happened here, the fucking Marketing geniuses did another wonder¿
  • run a few conferences, talks, interviews, chats, casts
  • make baseless accusations against News Corp in one of them
  • media run with the idea it is a slip up, totally not intended
  • actually it was done to draw fire from Murdoch wolves crying out for blood
  • therefore there is now justification to let someone take the fall
  • whoops thanks for your service Linda Christian you will be rewarded in time but we better hide you away for now

and let some other bigots have a go at the top positions and fuck up more shit, it’s brilliant.

at least we’re not being shot at.

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Date: 24/03/2021 23:55:42
From: party_pants
ID: 1714987
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

So what’s happened here, the fucking Marketing geniuses did another wonder¿
  • run a few conferences, talks, interviews, chats, casts
  • make baseless accusations against News Corp in one of them
  • media run with the idea it is a slip up, totally not intended
  • actually it was done to draw fire from Murdoch wolves crying out for blood
  • therefore there is now justification to let someone take the fall
  • whoops thanks for your service Linda Christian you will be rewarded in time but we better hide you away for now

and let some other bigots have a go at the top positions and fuck up more shit, it’s brilliant.

at least we’re not being shot at.

lol

… or maybe not

sigh

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Date: 25/03/2021 00:38:05
From: transition
ID: 1714989
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


transition said:

dv said:

Seems to me that some people selectively forget how language works

chuckle

i’d reckon most people have sex so they have a good sleep, not much else to it really

a perverse idea, sure

Utterly irrelevant.

there are plenty worse things than irrelevancy, I won’t be exploring them all

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Date: 25/03/2021 09:55:17
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1715024
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:04:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715028
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

All these increasingly lurid reports coming out of Canberra…

I can see that i was never going to be the right kind of person for a life in senior political service.

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:04:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715029
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

OTOH I don’t think one has to be a misogynist to find Credlin somewhat shudder-inducing.

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:06:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715030
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

OTOH I don’t think one has to be a misogynist to find Credlin somewhat shudder-inducing.

There’s such an AWFUL lot to dislike about Credlin, but her being female has never been on anyone’s list, AFAIK.

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:09:14
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1715033
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

OTOH I don’t think one has to be a misogynist to find Credlin somewhat shudder-inducing.

There’s such an AWFUL lot to dislike about Credlin, but her being female has never been on anyone’s list, AFAIK.

Could be unconscious bias.

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:16:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715034
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:

Could be unconscious bias.

Doubt it. People who dislike (indeed, hate her i.e. almost everyone who knows anything about her personality, manner, and method) are very conscious of why they feel that way.

When Tony Abbott lost his seat, and Peta Credlin’s imminent return to Canberra (and eventually, to running the PM’s dept) was scotched, the sense of relief in Canberra was, according to what i heard from one person, ‘a bit what it must have been like on VE day in London’.

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:30:14
From: ruby
ID: 1715041
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

From the article-
The staffer was rehired when Malcolm Turnbull became prime minister, she said, only to be dismissed this week following the publication of the lewd videos.

“The bloke I sacked came back and dozens more like him. Mid-career women, women of ability, lost out in roles to well-connected factional twenty-somethings with not much on their CV of note other than the ability to stack branches,” Credlin said.

“Much of the current mess on the ministerial blue carpet for the Coalition is a legacy from the Turnbull years.

“These are my first comments on incidents in the past. They will not be my last.”

So less about Credlin wanting change to corrosive male culture, more about preventing Turnbull doing a Lazarus?

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:48:03
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715042
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:48:18
From: dv
ID: 1715043
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Upper Hunter MP Michael Johnsen stands aside over rape allegations

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Date: 25/03/2021 10:55:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1715045
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peta-credlin-says-she-sacked-staffer-at-centre-of-lewd-video-alleges-gay-orgies-in-parliament-20210324-p57dtj.html

If the ‘masturbating on desk’ suspect is gay it adds a few more dimensions to his misogyny.

All these increasingly lurid reports coming out of Canberra…

I can see that i was never going to be the right kind of person for a life in senior political service.

Apparently the orgies should not be called gay in the headline.

The phrase “leaking against his boss” seems a bit unfortunate.

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Date: 25/03/2021 11:04:10
From: dv
ID: 1715052
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/03/2021 11:13:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715062
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



veil, ignorance, fail, comeuppance

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Date: 25/03/2021 12:26:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715108
Subject: re: Aust Politics

wait so they called it racist at the time but it’s actually true ¿ that’ll learn ‘em

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/racial-profiling-concerns-african-australian-youth-imprisonment/13252594

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Date: 25/03/2021 15:46:01
From: dv
ID: 1715254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

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Date: 25/03/2021 15:54:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715259
Subject: re: Aust Politics

good to see the defamation proceeding

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/brittany-higgins-formal-complaint-backgrounding-pm-office/100028234

“In the days following my interview with The Project regarding my experience in Parliament House, I was made aware by numerous journalists about the backgrounding that was happening against my partner,” Ms Higgins wrote.

“To my knowledge, this was being done by staff within the Prime Minister’s media team.

“This was reported to me personally by various sources at News.com.au, the Daily Telegraph and Channel 10.”

Ms Higgins said it was also referenced by Channel 10 journalist Peter Van Onselen during an ABC program.

When asked this morning whether any of the staff in his office had spread information intended to smear Ms Higgins’s partner, Mr Morrison said nothing had been raised with his office about the issue.

“No-one — there has been no-one in the gallery — nothing has been raised with my office from anyone in the gallery making any of those accusations,” he said.

“Or any discomfort about anything that my office has done.

“People make allegations all the time second, third hand, but there’s no-one who has raised that with my chief of staff out of the gallery, no.”

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Date: 25/03/2021 15:56:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1715261
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

He’s a politician.

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Date: 25/03/2021 15:56:38
From: dv
ID: 1715262
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Abetz is copping some flak from the woke cancel-culture brigade just for expressing traditional values.

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Date: 25/03/2021 15:57:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1715263
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


good to see the defamation proceeding

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/brittany-higgins-formal-complaint-backgrounding-pm-office/100028234

“In the days following my interview with The Project regarding my experience in Parliament House, I was made aware by numerous journalists about the backgrounding that was happening against my partner,” Ms Higgins wrote.

“To my knowledge, this was being done by staff within the Prime Minister’s media team.

“This was reported to me personally by various sources at News.com.au, the Daily Telegraph and Channel 10.”

Ms Higgins said it was also referenced by Channel 10 journalist Peter Van Onselen during an ABC program.

When asked this morning whether any of the staff in his office had spread information intended to smear Ms Higgins’s partner, Mr Morrison said nothing had been raised with his office about the issue.

“No-one — there has been no-one in the gallery — nothing has been raised with my office from anyone in the gallery making any of those accusations,” he said.

“Or any discomfort about anything that my office has done.

“People make allegations all the time second, third hand, but there’s no-one who has raised that with my chief of staff out of the gallery, no.”

Wait, what? What’s the story about her partner?

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Date: 25/03/2021 15:58:15
From: dv
ID: 1715265
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

He’s a politician.

That too.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:00:04
From: sibeen
ID: 1715269
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

MECHANICAL ENGINEER and worked as a MINING ENGINEER

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:00:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715270
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

Obviously.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:05:45
From: buffy
ID: 1715278
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

MECHANICAL ENGINEER and worked as a MINING ENGINEER

That’s engineerist. Where are you going to put my Dad? He was a corrosion engineer and worked on the Bass Strait rigs and Western Australian wharves and some in New Guinea during the 1970s. It must have been their very early days. They were a small office upstairs in Burwood.

http://www.tristar-au.com/dimet-cathodic-protection.html

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:07:40
From: party_pants
ID: 1715279
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

He’s a politician.

Fuckwit.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:08:31
From: buffy
ID: 1715280
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

MECHANICAL ENGINEER and worked as a MINING ENGINEER

That’s engineerist. Where are you going to put my Dad? He was a corrosion engineer and worked on the Bass Strait rigs and Western Australian wharves and some in New Guinea during the 1970s. It must have been their very early days. They were a small office upstairs in Burwood.

http://www.tristar-au.com/dimet-cathodic-protection.html

Goodness me, I’m pleased to see “DIMET anodes are cast in modern foundries”. Dad was making the things in the garage at home.

https://alloy-technology.tristar.com.sg/products-and-services/precision-engineered-components/

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:09:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715281
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Abetz is copping some flak from the woke cancel-culture brigade just for expressing traditional values.


That was what prompted the giving him a bench by himself out in the paddock conversation.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:11:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715284
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Abetz is copping some flak from the woke cancel-culture brigade just for expressing traditional values.


That was what prompted the giving him a bench by himself out in the paddock conversation.

Abetz probably wouldn’t have talked to her at all if he had known she wouldn’t be in the party this week.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:11:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715285
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

He’s a politician.

Fuckwit.

Aye, complete moron.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:13:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1715287
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

He’s a politician.

Fuckwit.

I accept and endorse the correction of party_pants.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:20:18
From: dv
ID: 1715291
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Abetz is copping some flak from the woke cancel-culture brigade just for expressing traditional values.


That was what prompted the giving him a bench by himself out in the paddock conversation.

Abetz probably wouldn’t have talked to her at all if he had known she wouldn’t be in the party this week.


Tasmania’s Premier Peter Gutwein issued a short statement just before 6:00pm Wednesday involving himself in the fight.

“A few weeks ago Ms Hickey raised this matter with me but not to the level of detail that was in her statements today and did not make a formal complaint to me or request that I take any action,” Mr Gutwein said.

“As Ms Hickey has outlined her allegations in more detail in the Parliament, this afternoon I have written to the Prime Minister and requested that he consider the matters raised.”

It was an extraordinary intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/sue-hickey-will-not-go-without-fight/100027282

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:23:26
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1715294
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Good news is that it looks as though ONP will be eliminated from parliament in WA.

You’d have to think they’ll be down to one Senator in the next Federal election. Unfortunately, barring a DD, we are stuck with Malcolm Roberts until 2025.


In 2011, Roberts wrote an affidavit to then Prime Minister Julia Gillard – addressing her as “The Woman, Julia-Eileen: Gillard., acting as The Honourable JULIA EILEEN GILLARD” — demanding that she sign a contract exempting him from paying the carbon tax and compensation of up to $280,000 if she didn’t provide him with disclosure on 28 points, including evidence that “the Commonwealth of Australia CIK# 000805157 is not a corporation registered on the United States of America securities exchange”. Roberts signed himself as “Malcolm-Ieuan: Roberts., the living soul”. He has used this form of sovereign citizen address since, in a list of acknowledgements he wrote in 2013. Roberts is a prolific letter writer. He writes to politicians, government agencies, universities and scientists. The topic of these letters is mostly formal complaints regarding allegations of corruption in climate science. He keeps an archive of his letters and replies at his website.

He’s an engineer.

MECHANICAL ENGINEER and worked as a MINING ENGINEER

I worked for Malcom – he was the statutory manager at a mine I worked at.. believe it or not, he always seems liked a pretty reasonable person (we never talked about politics though) and was very big on business process management controls.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:42:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715303
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Abetz probably wouldn’t have talked to her at all if he had known she wouldn’t be in the party this week.


Tasmania’s Premier Peter Gutwein issued a short statement just before 6:00pm Wednesday involving himself in the fight.

“A few weeks ago Ms Hickey raised this matter with me but not to the level of detail that was in her statements today and did not make a formal complaint to me or request that I take any action,” Mr Gutwein said.

“As Ms Hickey has outlined her allegations in more detail in the Parliament, this afternoon I have written to the Prime Minister and requested that he consider the matters raised.”

It was an extraordinary intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/sue-hickey-will-not-go-without-fight/100027282

Abetz not billed number one? That would be movement at the station.

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Date: 25/03/2021 16:50:58
From: dv
ID: 1715304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:


Tasmania’s Premier Peter Gutwein issued a short statement just before 6:00pm Wednesday involving himself in the fight.

“A few weeks ago Ms Hickey raised this matter with me but not to the level of detail that was in her statements today and did not make a formal complaint to me or request that I take any action,” Mr Gutwein said.

“As Ms Hickey has outlined her allegations in more detail in the Parliament, this afternoon I have written to the Prime Minister and requested that he consider the matters raised.”

It was an extraordinary intervention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/sue-hickey-will-not-go-without-fight/100027282

Abetz not billed number one? That would be movement at the station.

He’d need to be at 4 to be gone

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Date: 25/03/2021 17:19:16
From: dv
ID: 1715313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/03/2021 17:24:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715316
Subject: re: Aust Politics

And here.

Honest Government Ad | Australian Values
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqNdKtahx58

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Date: 25/03/2021 18:20:14
From: dv
ID: 1715338
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Warren Entsch contradicts Peta Credlin, claiming he sacked staffer accused of solo sex act

Exclusive: former chief whip says he dismissed the man in 2012 for leaking to Credlin when she was Tony Abbott’s chief of staff

—-
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/25/warren-entsch-contradicts-peta-credlin-claiming-he-sacked-staffer-accused-of-solo-sex-act-for-leaking-to-her?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The federal Liberal MP Warren Entsch has emphatically rejected Peta Credlin’s claim that several years ago she was responsible for sacking a Coalition aide dismissed again this week for allegedly masturbating over a female MP’s desk.

Entsch, the member for Leichhardt and former chief opposition whip, told Guardian Australia that not only did Credlin have no input into his decision to sack the staffer in 2012, but in fact he dismissed the aide for an alleged unauthorised leak from his office to Credlin who was then Tony Abbott’s chief of staff.

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Date: 25/03/2021 18:23:28
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715339
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Warren Entsch contradicts Peta Credlin, claiming he sacked staffer accused of solo sex act

Exclusive: former chief whip says he dismissed the man in 2012 for leaking to Credlin when she was Tony Abbott’s chief of staff

—-
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/25/warren-entsch-contradicts-peta-credlin-claiming-he-sacked-staffer-accused-of-solo-sex-act-for-leaking-to-her?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The federal Liberal MP Warren Entsch has emphatically rejected Peta Credlin’s claim that several years ago she was responsible for sacking a Coalition aide dismissed again this week for allegedly masturbating over a female MP’s desk.

Entsch, the member for Leichhardt and former chief opposition whip, told Guardian Australia that not only did Credlin have no input into his decision to sack the staffer in 2012, but in fact he dismissed the aide for an alleged unauthorised leak from his office to Credlin who was then Tony Abbott’s chief of staff.

Ha.

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Date: 25/03/2021 18:25:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715342
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Warren Entsch contradicts Peta Credlin, claiming he sacked staffer accused of solo sex act

Exclusive: former chief whip says he dismissed the man in 2012 for leaking to Credlin when she was Tony Abbott’s chief of staff

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/25/warren-entsch-contradicts-peta-credlin-claiming-he-sacked-staffer-accused-of-solo-sex-act-for-leaking-to-her?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Ha.

don’t worry the more unwinnable they try to make this next choosing cycle, the more likely they are to get reelected just like last time

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Date: 25/03/2021 18:26:40
From: Ian
ID: 1715344
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The staffer performed a sexual act against a table…

Won’t ANYONE think about the table!

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Date: 25/03/2021 19:54:50
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715378
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peter Dutton threatens to sue the Twitterati
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has called on social media companies to require proof of identity from users.

Mr Dutton told Ray Hadley social media users – particularly Twitter users – are hiding behind anonymous accounts, which they use to intimidate.

He has already taken action against Greens Senator Larissa Waters over derogatory tweets, and plans to take the issue further.

“They’re out there putting all these … statements and tweets that frankly, are defamatory.

“I’m going to start to pick out some of them to sue, because we need to have … a respectful public debate.

“A lot of lazy journalists pick up these tweets and believe that they’re representative of the larger community view, when they’re not.”4

https://www.2gb.com/peter-dutton-threatens-to-sue-the-twitterati/

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Date: 25/03/2021 20:58:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715403
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:05:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715407
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



Feckin’ eejut.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:07:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



He can fuck off.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:10:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715410
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:


He can fuck off.

In surveys more people engaged over a weekend in the arts than sport. But gutting the arts at each budget will fix that eventually.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:11:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:


He can fuck off.

There’s two questions:

1. What effing genius sold him on the idea that this footy-&-cricket-obsessed daggy-dad persona that he tries to purvey would endear him to the populace at large?

2. Why in the name of f*ck does he persist with it in the face of vast evidence that it does nothing of the sort?

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:41:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715425
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:44:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715426
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

Footy can’t help you if you won’t let it.

You have to lower your footy resistance and let if flow through you.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:44:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715427
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

It’s shorter than cricket.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:44:48
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1715428
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

It’s just outrageous.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:45:33
From: party_pants
ID: 1715429
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

Footy can’t help you if you won’t let it.

You have to lower your footy resistance and let if flow through you.

Nah. You’re either into it or you’re not.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:46:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1715430
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Storm are leading Panthers 10 6 with just 5 minutes to go.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:47:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715431
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

Footy can’t help you if you won’t let it.

You have to lower your footy resistance and let if flow through you.

Nah. You’re either into it or you’re not.

Yes I was just being silly.

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:47:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1715432
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Storm are leading Panthers 10 6 with just 5 minutes to go.

Nothing in particular in favour of the Panthers, but haven’t you lot had enough of Storms for this week?

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Date: 25/03/2021 21:54:03
From: sibeen
ID: 1715433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Storm are leading Panthers 10 6 with just 5 minutes to go.

The filth are up by 23 against the mighty Blues…buggerit.

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Date: 25/03/2021 22:10:42
From: Rule 303
ID: 1715441
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Storm are leading Panthers 10 6 with just 5 minutes to go.

The filth are up by 23 against the mighty Blues…buggerit.

A win against the old enemy is always good, but we really needed it this time. Been a tough year.

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Date: 25/03/2021 22:12:01
From: sibeen
ID: 1715443
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Storm are leading Panthers 10 6 with just 5 minutes to go.

The filth are up by 23 against the mighty Blues…buggerit.

A win against the old enemy is always good, but we really needed it this time. Been a tough year.

1970 RULES!

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Date: 25/03/2021 22:25:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/government-crisis-scott-morrison-leadership-damage-done/100026748

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Date: 25/03/2021 22:43:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1715469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Nicolle Flint hits back.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/nicolle-flint-hit-back-at-the-abc-last-night-in-parliament/ar-BB1eWlQP?ocid=msedgntp

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Date: 25/03/2021 22:53:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715482
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o-TaMPva7M

Coach reviews the team | Sammy J

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Date: 26/03/2021 08:11:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715565
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



Pokes finger down throat.

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Date: 26/03/2021 08:14:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715566
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

Keeps a lot of idiots off the roads on weekends.

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Date: 26/03/2021 08:36:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715571
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

Keeps a lot of idiots off the roads on weekends.

uh except for the stadium traffic jams

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Date: 26/03/2021 08:42:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715575
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

I can’t think of any way that I’m helped by footy.

Keeps a lot of idiots off the roads on weekends.

uh except for the stadium traffic jams

Only have to stay away froom stadiums.

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:16:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715586
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:26:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715589
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/03/26/scott-morrison-forces-andrew-laming-apology/

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:28:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715591
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/03/26/scott-morrison-forces-andrew-laming-apology/

see he really is better than Turnbull, may as well keep him on for another term

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:29:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1715592
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:33:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715593
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

Does seem irrelevant, especially in a country where about 80% of the population could be described as “white”.

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:33:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715594
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

I think in a predominantly white country it does. I’m sure in a predominantly coloured country the same applies.

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:36:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1715595
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

I think in a predominantly white country it does. I’m sure in a predominantly coloured country the same applies.

I came to the opposite conclusion :)

In a predominantly white country, being a white politician is unremarkable, so one has to wonder why they bother mentioning it, especially in a seemingly “critical” way.

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:38:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715596
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

I think in a predominantly white country it does. I’m sure in a predominantly coloured country the same applies.

I came to the opposite conclusion :)

In a predominantly white country, being a white politician is unremarkable, so one has to wonder why they bother mentioning it, especially in a seemingly “critical” way.

it is an allusion to the old bwana. the colonial master.

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:43:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715597
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

It’s another piece of information, like rape reported but not prosecuted, that may with additional information subsequently be more clearly evident as a pattern.

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Date: 26/03/2021 09:57:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715605
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

I think in a predominantly white country it does. I’m sure in a predominantly coloured country the same applies.

I came to the opposite conclusion :)

In a predominantly white country, being a white politician is unremarkable, so one has to wonder why they bother mentioning it, especially in a seemingly “critical” way.

it is an allusion to the old bwana. the colonial master.

We mean, consider the following kind of idea, and tell us it has no bearing on reality.

But the disappointing substantive record doesn’t matter. This is a story about power in Australia. And it shows that if you look like a prime minister, walk and talk like one, are educated like one, you can coast your way to the top, and brush off anything that might inconvenience The Narrative.

Tell us that people voting against them other candidates because they just don’t look like they could be PM, has nothing to do with voting against other candidates.

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:04:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715610
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

I think ‘not really’.

You’ll find the same thing in other countries where the population is in the very great majority non-white.

India, for example. Just like here, there’s a ‘class’ of people who attend the ‘right’ schools and universities and who mix with the ‘right’ people and who are ‘born to rule’ and who are just as likely to treat people who are not of that ‘class’ in very demeaning ways.

The same applies in places like Fiji, where you have to have the ‘right history’ to get an important post in the government and where unfair or wrong treatment of ‘other types’ is not considered anything out of the ordinary.

We could find other examples. It’s not the colour of the people that’s the problem: it’s the culture, and it’s not just here in Australia.

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:06:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715614
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

I think in a predominantly white country it does. I’m sure in a predominantly coloured country the same applies.

I came to the opposite conclusion :)

In a predominantly white country, being a white politician is unremarkable, so one has to wonder why they bother mentioning it, especially in a seemingly “critical” way.

it is an allusion to the old bwana. the colonial master.

Certainly you are as old as me if you remember that word.

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:15:10
From: Ian
ID: 1715630
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

Good
Stuff

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:39:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715647
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:45:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



at least they’re consistent, tried to deny both

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:49:24
From: transition
ID: 1715652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

read that last article, spin was a word that came to mind, just the language to do with ambitions to power, status and whatever, distracted from the reality many of these jobs most people don’t want, they wouldn’t do it, and lost is why so few would want the job/s, or would do the job/s

one of the worst jobs right now, today, is to be prime minister of Australia, it would be difficult to imagine a worse job, is my view

status is largely illusion, which is why it’s so powerful

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:53:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715655
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

read that last article, spin was a word that came to mind, just the language to do with ambitions to power, status and whatever, distracted from the reality many of these jobs most people don’t want, they wouldn’t do it, and lost is why so few would want the job/s, or would do the job/s

one of the worst jobs right now, today, is to be prime minister of Australia, it would be difficult to imagine a worse job, is my view

status is largely illusion, which is why it’s so powerful

we agree with the contention that they are doing the worst job of being prime minister of Australia in a while, possibly ever

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:55:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715656
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

read that last article, spin was a word that came to mind, just the language to do with ambitions to power, status and whatever, distracted from the reality many of these jobs most people don’t want, they wouldn’t do it, and lost is why so few would want the job/s, or would do the job/s

one of the worst jobs right now, today, is to be prime minister of Australia, it would be difficult to imagine a worse job, is my view

status is largely illusion, which is why it’s so powerful

we agree with the contention that they are doing the worst job of being prime minister of Australia in a while, possibly ever

It could have been worse had Christian got the job.

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:58:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1715659
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://theaimn.com/dumpster-fire-of-the-vanities-a-reality-check-for-the-born-to-rulers/

https://www.themandarin.com.au/150633-christian-porter-the-unshakeable-belief-of-a-white-man-born-to-rule/

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

read that last article, spin was a word that came to mind, just the language to do with ambitions to power, status and whatever, distracted from the reality many of these jobs most people don’t want, they wouldn’t do it, and lost is why so few would want the job/s, or would do the job/s

one of the worst jobs right now, today, is to be prime minister of Australia, it would be difficult to imagine a worse job, is my view

status is largely illusion, which is why it’s so powerful

Well I wouldn’t be keen on it myself either.

OTOH, there are plenty of people who would be happy to volunteer for the job, even though the pay is pretty low, by current standards for managers of large national organisations.

So it can’t be that bad.

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Date: 26/03/2021 10:59:50
From: transition
ID: 1715661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

read that last article, spin was a word that came to mind, just the language to do with ambitions to power, status and whatever, distracted from the reality many of these jobs most people don’t want, they wouldn’t do it, and lost is why so few would want the job/s, or would do the job/s

one of the worst jobs right now, today, is to be prime minister of Australia, it would be difficult to imagine a worse job, is my view

status is largely illusion, which is why it’s so powerful

we agree with the contention that they are doing the worst job of being prime minister of Australia in a while, possibly ever

I don’t vote for that side, but spin is spin

i’d imagine the labor party is trying to work out how to get Albanese into a skirt or dress right now, perhaps organizing some nice earings for him

i’m being silly

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:00:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715662
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I hate the so called Christian Porters as much as anybody, but does him being a person of absence of colour have anything to do with it?

read that last article, spin was a word that came to mind, just the language to do with ambitions to power, status and whatever, distracted from the reality many of these jobs most people don’t want, they wouldn’t do it, and lost is why so few would want the job/s, or would do the job/s

one of the worst jobs right now, today, is to be prime minister of Australia, it would be difficult to imagine a worse job, is my view

status is largely illusion, which is why it’s so powerful

Well I wouldn’t be keen on it myself either.

OTOH, there are plenty of people who would be happy to volunteer for the job, even though the pay is pretty low, by current standards for managers of large national organisations.

So it can’t be that bad.

When I was growing up all the dipshits who weren’t going anywhere, said; “gonna get me a government job. Job for life and I don’t have to work”.

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:01:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715663
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

read that last article, spin was a word that came to mind, just the language to do with ambitions to power, status and whatever, distracted from the reality many of these jobs most people don’t want, they wouldn’t do it, and lost is why so few would want the job/s, or would do the job/s

one of the worst jobs right now, today, is to be prime minister of Australia, it would be difficult to imagine a worse job, is my view

status is largely illusion, which is why it’s so powerful

we agree with the contention that they are doing the worst job of being prime minister of Australia in a while, possibly ever

I don’t vote for that side, but spin is spin

i’d imagine the labor party is trying to work out how to get Albanese into a skirt or dress right now, perhaps organizing some nice earings for him

i’m being silly

Tes, he’d ruin skirts forever in many people’s eyes.

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:06:20
From: transition
ID: 1715666
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

we agree with the contention that they are doing the worst job of being prime minister of Australia in a while, possibly ever

I don’t vote for that side, but spin is spin

i’d imagine the labor party is trying to work out how to get Albanese into a skirt or dress right now, perhaps organizing some nice earings for him

i’m being silly

Tes, he’d ruin skirts forever in many people’s eyes.

my point is they’d possibly be hoping to elevate a lady to the job, it may cheer a lot of people, including those at the national broadcaster

more silly, with a grain of truth maybe

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:06:40
From: Cymek
ID: 1715667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Hello

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:09:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

I don’t vote for that side, but spin is spin

i’d imagine the labor party is trying to work out how to get Albanese into a skirt or dress right now, perhaps organizing some nice earings for him

i’m being silly

Tes, he’d ruin skirts forever in many people’s eyes.

my point is they’d possibly be hoping to elevate a lady to the job, it may cheer a lot of people, including those at the national broadcaster

more silly, with a grain of truth maybe

(1) nothing wrong with crossdressing or reassignment

(2) they already tried that, see how well it ended

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:10:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

I don’t vote for that side, but spin is spin

i’d imagine the labor party is trying to work out how to get Albanese into a skirt or dress right now, perhaps organizing some nice earings for him

i’m being silly

Tes, he’d ruin skirts forever in many people’s eyes.

my point is they’d possibly be hoping to elevate a lady to the job, it may cheer a lot of people, including those at the national broadcaster

more silly, with a grain of truth maybe

Well, Penny is in the wings and she’d fill two gaps. A woman and an openly homosexual person who is probably even more qualified that Albo to lead with assurance.

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:11:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715674
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

Tes, he’d ruin skirts forever in many people’s eyes.

my point is they’d possibly be hoping to elevate a lady to the job, it may cheer a lot of people, including those at the national broadcaster

more silly, with a grain of truth maybe

Well, Penny is in the wings and she’d fill two gaps. A woman and an openly homosexual person who is probably even more qualified that Albo to lead with assurance.

yeah but who would trust those ASIANS to lead a Porter country

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:13:35
From: transition
ID: 1715676
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

Tes, he’d ruin skirts forever in many people’s eyes.

my point is they’d possibly be hoping to elevate a lady to the job, it may cheer a lot of people, including those at the national broadcaster

more silly, with a grain of truth maybe

Well, Penny is in the wings and she’d fill two gaps. A woman and an openly homosexual person who is probably even more qualified that Albo to lead with assurance.

frankly i’d be happy if a kangaroo was appointed to the top job, nah perhaps not, skippy groups are male dominated

well that’s that idea out, i’d better have another idea

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:13:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715677
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

my point is they’d possibly be hoping to elevate a lady to the job, it may cheer a lot of people, including those at the national broadcaster

more silly, with a grain of truth maybe

Well, Penny is in the wings and she’d fill two gaps. A woman and an openly homosexual person who is probably even more qualified that Albo to lead with assurance.

yeah but who would trust those ASIANS to lead a Porter country

My point is that THEY are goiing to have to learn, aren’t they. I hear them bitching all day about there are hardly any Australlians liviing in their street.
A majority is a majority.

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:14:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715679
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

transition said:

my point is they’d possibly be hoping to elevate a lady to the job, it may cheer a lot of people, including those at the national broadcaster

more silly, with a grain of truth maybe

Well, Penny is in the wings and she’d fill two gaps. A woman and an openly homosexual person who is probably even more qualified that Albo to lead with assurance.

frankly i’d be happy if a kangaroo was appointed to the top job, nah perhaps not, skippy groups are male dominated

well that’s that idea out, i’d better have another idea

Um actually, Yes there is a dominant male/buck but the rest are females/does or males not strong enough to do much.

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Date: 26/03/2021 11:40:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1715692
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PM says ball is in Brittany Higgins’s court if she wants to meet with him
Scott Morrison says he is happy….

Upchucks all over my keyboard.

How long has this taken?

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:05:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1715723
Subject: re: Aust Politics

well it’s the closest we could find

“The bill will give women and their partners time to come to terms with their loss without having to tap into sick leave. Because their grief is not a sickness, it is a loss. And loss takes time.” The leave provisions apply to mothers and their partners, as well as parents planning to have a child through adoption or surrogacy, she said.

India is the only other country with similar legislation, media reported.

NZ was the first country in the world to give voting rights to women and has been a pioneer on issues around woman’s rights. NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is seen as a global champion for women. Her government last year passed a historic law to decriminalise abortion.

meanwhile here in Australia there’s still an uphill battle to recognise that raping women is worse than raping furniture

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:10:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715724
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“The bill will give women and their partners time to come to terms with their loss without having to tap into sick leave. Because their grief is not a sickness, it is a loss.

Someone on either SBS News or the ABC News FB page asked that same question, why can’t they take it out of sick leave. I answered, because they aren’t sick.

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:13:30
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1715726
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


“The bill will give women and their partners time to come to terms with their loss without having to tap into sick leave. Because their grief is not a sickness, it is a loss.

Someone on either SBS News or the ABC News FB page asked that same question, why can’t they take it out of sick leave. I answered, because they aren’t sick.

Most leave this day is general personal leave. Still doesn’t mean they couldn’t give more than 5 or so days though.

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:36:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1715730
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


“The bill will give women and their partners time to come to terms with their loss without having to tap into sick leave. Because their grief is not a sickness, it is a loss.

Someone on either SBS News or the ABC News FB page asked that same question, why can’t they take it out of sick leave. I answered, because they aren’t sick.

Sick leave comes under personal leave at least for public servants and can be used for other things such as a death in the family

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:51:27
From: buffy
ID: 1715733
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


JudgeMental said:

“The bill will give women and their partners time to come to terms with their loss without having to tap into sick leave. Because their grief is not a sickness, it is a loss.

Someone on either SBS News or the ABC News FB page asked that same question, why can’t they take it out of sick leave. I answered, because they aren’t sick.

Sick leave comes under personal leave at least for public servants and can be used for other things such as a death in the family

My staff were under the Health Professionals and Support Services Award and it’s been personal leave for many years now. It’s mandated under the legislation (2009) as set out in the NES (unless a particular award or agreement sets out something better than the level in the NES. Here is the leave stuff in the NES:

https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/awardmod/download/nes.pdf

I told my staff they could use it for whatever they chose. But if they used it up, there was no more. Generally people don’t use it frivolously. Although as I have reported on the forum before, I did have one staff member who always used up all personal leave and then hit a big problem when they were actually seriously unwell and had no leave left. We supported them for a month at our expense and then said, sorry, we can’t afford to keep paying you.

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:52:47
From: Neophyte
ID: 1715734
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


JudgeMental said:

“The bill will give women and their partners time to come to terms with their loss without having to tap into sick leave. Because their grief is not a sickness, it is a loss.

Someone on either SBS News or the ABC News FB page asked that same question, why can’t they take it out of sick leave. I answered, because they aren’t sick.

Sick leave comes under personal leave at least for public servants and can be used for other things such as a death in the family

There used to be separate bereavement leave – only applied for direct family loss, though.

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:56:40
From: buffy
ID: 1715736
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Neophyte said:


Cymek said:

JudgeMental said:

“The bill will give women and their partners time to come to terms with their loss without having to tap into sick leave. Because their grief is not a sickness, it is a loss.

Someone on either SBS News or the ABC News FB page asked that same question, why can’t they take it out of sick leave. I answered, because they aren’t sick.

Sick leave comes under personal leave at least for public servants and can be used for other things such as a death in the family

There used to be separate bereavement leave – only applied for direct family loss, though.

There is separate compassionate leave in the NES. Same link I gave before. Section 104.

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Date: 26/03/2021 12:58:37
From: buffy
ID: 1715737
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If anyone wants to check, the NES sets out the minimum conditions for workers in Australia. You can have a look at them here:

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee-entitlements/national-employment-standards

(This link is a bit easier to deal with than the other long winded one I gave for leave arrangements.)

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Date: 26/03/2021 13:39:23
From: dv
ID: 1715769
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Gutwein has called an early election in Tasmania as expected.

The Libs are doing very well in the polls, their approval levels on Covid are through the roof, and I wouldn’t be surprised of they end with 14 of the 25 House of Assembly seats. The nature of the HoA’s proportional system prevents a WA style blowout but the Libs should be in a position to govern unfettered. Hickey is running as an independent.

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Date: 26/03/2021 13:43:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715773
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘PM says ball is in Brittany Higgins’s court if she wants to meet with him
Scott Morrison says he is happy to meet with former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins, who alleged she was raped by a colleague at Parliament House, but he says it is up to her when they meet.’

Oh, yeah, go on, Brittany, let’s see how deep he manages to put his foot in that!

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Date: 26/03/2021 14:04:01
From: transition
ID: 1715783
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>……..worse than raping furniture

I was reading something recently about exploring the limits of one’s own vocabulary, the question of whether it might be considered an art came up, along with the possibility it mostly wasn’t, it’s something else

my word of the day is debauchery, and debauch, and of, when I thought about it yesterday, I reckoned i’d only used the word maybe five times in my life, but certainly had something of a working concept in my head, further I realized it was a playful concept

I got around to wondering if there was any possibility of a useful or healthy concept without some fun around it, I tried to shut all the fun bubbles down, the effervescent nitric oxide, dopamine and whatever else, hoping for a state of moral purity, anyway I had to terminate the exercise because the experience seemed as if it might crush me

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Date: 26/03/2021 14:13:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715787
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Gutwein has called an early election in Tasmania as expected.

The Libs are doing very well in the polls, their approval levels on Covid are through the roof, and I wouldn’t be surprised of they end with 14 of the 25 House of Assembly seats. The nature of the HoA’s proportional system prevents a WA style blowout but the Libs should be in a position to govern unfettered. Hickey is running as an independent.

And he cannily distanced himself from all the Canberra bubble problems…

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Date: 26/03/2021 14:49:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1715791
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/a-wave-of-homelessness-could-be-about-to-hit-australia-as-rules-preventing-evictions-end

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Date: 26/03/2021 15:03:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715795
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ben Murphy
BenBMurph · Nov 13, 2016 "What a knob!" Labor MP Anne Aly not realising the mic is still on after a clash with AndrewLamingMP 7NewsQueensland Y7News @liztilley84

https://twitter.com/BenBMurph/status/797624402867200000?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0d2FsiOLaqS3Jak0-5B88NBFHBwBNVX0xEp8MZBU5vqUFkvtH-0Dbijqs

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Date: 26/03/2021 17:16:43
From: dv
ID: 1715841
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Morrison government is considering radical reforms to the $22 billion National Disability Insurance Scheme including denying funding to Australians with acquired brain injuries and fetal alcohol spectrum disorder as well as reducing avenue of appeal for participants as part of secret plans to save costs because of course they fucking are.

—-

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/leaked-laws-reveal-plan-to-kick-australians-off-the-22-billion-ndis-20210325-p57dym.html

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Date: 26/03/2021 17:23:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715844
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Morrison government is considering radical reforms to the $22 billion National Disability Insurance Scheme including denying funding to Australians with acquired brain injuries and fetal alcohol spectrum disorder as well as reducing avenue of appeal for participants as part of secret plans to save costs because of course they fucking are.

—-

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/leaked-laws-reveal-plan-to-kick-australians-off-the-22-billion-ndis-20210325-p57dym.html

I hate them.

I hope more people hate the come the election.

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Date: 26/03/2021 17:53:09
From: party_pants
ID: 1715858
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Morrison government is considering radical reforms to the $22 billion National Disability Insurance Scheme including denying funding to Australians with acquired brain injuries and fetal alcohol spectrum disorder as well as reducing avenue of appeal for participants as part of secret plans to save costs because of course they fucking are.

—-

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/leaked-laws-reveal-plan-to-kick-australians-off-the-22-billion-ndis-20210325-p57dym.html

there really isn’t much any individual can do to reduce their own personal risk of fetal alcohol spectrum disorders, so it seems a bit harsh.

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Date: 26/03/2021 18:03:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715863
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Australians recorded spruiking far-right credentials to global Neo-Nazi group | ABC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2aMiy683rI

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Date: 26/03/2021 18:53:46
From: dv
ID: 1715879
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Saw Dutton’s little chat.

It’s kind of annoying listening to Morrison et al, because they are taling in abstract terms about sexual assault and abuse in “the community” whereas we want to hear about what they are going to do about the culture of sexual assault in the parliamentary Liberal party and staff.

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Date: 26/03/2021 19:08:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715882
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Saw Dutton’s little chat.

It’s kind of annoying listening to Morrison et al, because they are taling in abstract terms about sexual assault and abuse in “the community” whereas we want to hear about what they are going to do about the culture of sexual assault in the parliamentary Liberal party and staff.

Its really annoying when compared to black politics…in the community.

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Date: 26/03/2021 19:15:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715889
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Saw Dutton’s little chat.

It’s kind of annoying listening to Morrison et al, because they are taling in abstract terms about sexual assault and abuse in “the community” whereas we want to hear about what they are going to do about the culture of sexual assault in the parliamentary Liberal party and staff.

Its really annoying when compared to black politics…in the community.

Ros Meeker
I’m calling for an intervention. Call in the army. Shut down the porn industry in Canberra. Shut the bars in Parliament house. Put em all on the card. Take control of their banking.

· Reply · 3 m

Ros Meeker
And then take the children away.

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Date: 26/03/2021 19:20:26
From: Rule 303
ID: 1715891
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Saw Dutton’s little chat.

It’s kind of annoying listening to Morrison et al, because they are taling in abstract terms about sexual assault and abuse in “the community” whereas we want to hear about what they are going to do about the culture of sexual assault in the parliamentary Liberal party and staff.

Its really annoying when compared to black politics…in the community.

Ros Meeker
I’m calling for an intervention. Call in the army. Shut down the porn industry in Canberra. Shut the bars in Parliament house. Put em all on the card. Take control of their banking.

· Reply · 3 m

Ros Meeker
And then take the children away.

I see what you did there.

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Date: 26/03/2021 21:31:31
From: Rule 303
ID: 1715931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 26/03/2021 21:40:36
From: Spider Lily
ID: 1715932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:



Ha!

ps.. this is possibly the only place I can have an opinion.. although I still have to be careful :/

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Date: 26/03/2021 21:46:52
From: Rule 303
ID: 1715933
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spider Lily said:


Rule 303 said:


Ha!

ps.. this is possibly the only place I can have an opinion.. although I still have to be careful :/

Because Queenslanders?

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Date: 26/03/2021 21:50:00
From: Spider Lily
ID: 1715934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Spider Lily said:

Rule 303 said:


Ha!

ps.. this is possibly the only place I can have an opinion.. although I still have to be careful :/

Because Queenslanders?

Public Service = gagged

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Date: 26/03/2021 21:56:48
From: Rule 303
ID: 1715939
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spider Lily said:


Rule 303 said:

Spider Lily said:

Ha!

ps.. this is possibly the only place I can have an opinion.. although I still have to be careful :/

Because Queenslanders?

Public Service = gagged

Ah, of course.

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Date: 26/03/2021 21:57:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715940
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spider Lily said:


Rule 303 said:

Spider Lily said:

Ha!

ps.. this is possibly the only place I can have an opinion.. although I still have to be careful :/

Because Queenslanders?

Public Service = gagged

Even when they tell you that it’s o.k. to ‘express an opinion’, you can’t believe them

Qld Health does a ‘staff satisfaction survey’ every couple of years.

This used to be on paper, but now it’s ‘online’.

They go overboard to assure everyone that it’s ‘completely anonymous’.

So, they expect you to sign on to a computer owned by QH, which has an individual IP address, on a network also owned by QH, to gain access to an application owned and run by QH, using your individual login i.d. and password, and answer the questions without fear or trepidation? Because they say it’s ok.

And they wonder why 70% of people don’t complete the survey.

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:00:39
From: furious
ID: 1715944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Spider Lily said:

Rule 303 said:

Because Queenslanders?

Public Service = gagged

Even when they tell you that it’s o.k. to ‘express an opinion’, you can’t believe them

Qld Health does a ‘staff satisfaction survey’ every couple of years.

This used to be on paper, but now it’s ‘online’.

They go overboard to assure everyone that it’s ‘completely anonymous’.

So, they expect you to sign on to a computer owned by QH, which has an individual IP address, on a network also owned by QH, to gain access to an application owned and run by QH, using your individual login i.d. and password, and answer the questions without fear or trepidation? Because they say it’s ok.

And they wonder why 70% of people don’t complete the survey.

My previous employer had that too. People were a bit wary of doing it at first but as the years went on they became bolder with their comments. They used to publish a selection of the anonymised comments but they eventaully stopped that…

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:02:56
From: Rule 303
ID: 1715945
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Spider Lily said:

Rule 303 said:

Because Queenslanders?

Public Service = gagged

Even when they tell you that it’s o.k. to ‘express an opinion’, you can’t believe them

Qld Health does a ‘staff satisfaction survey’ every couple of years.

This used to be on paper, but now it’s ‘online’.

They go overboard to assure everyone that it’s ‘completely anonymous’.

So, they expect you to sign on to a computer owned by QH, which has an individual IP address, on a network also owned by QH, to gain access to an application owned and run by QH, using your individual login i.d. and password, and answer the questions without fear or trepidation? Because they say it’s ok.

And they wonder why 70% of people don’t complete the survey.

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:04:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715947
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:



He’s just the corrupt guy at the top of the pile.

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:06:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715948
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spider Lily said:


Rule 303 said:

Spider Lily said:

Ha!

ps.. this is possibly the only place I can have an opinion.. although I still have to be careful :/

Because Queenslanders?

Public Service = gagged

^

And seen as a sort of enemy. They surround themselves with advisors and staffers. who are from industry. or from Platinum members.
And some more than likelies from the mining industry.

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:08:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

One of the things that came out of the most recent one was that ‘staff appear to believe that management have ‘secret agendas’‘, and the queston was asked as to how to reassure staff that this is not so.

Best suggestion: stop acting like you DO have secret agendas. Stop all the secret-squirrel, can’t-show-you-the-big-picture, only-on-a-need-to-know bullshit.

(Actually, everyone knows that the reason they indulge in such things is because if there was complete transparency, it’d be quite obvious that they have no idea of what they’re doing, and just making it up as they go.)

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:09:58
From: party_pants
ID: 1715950
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


captain_spalding said:

Spider Lily said:

Public Service = gagged

Even when they tell you that it’s o.k. to ‘express an opinion’, you can’t believe them

Qld Health does a ‘staff satisfaction survey’ every couple of years.

This used to be on paper, but now it’s ‘online’.

They go overboard to assure everyone that it’s ‘completely anonymous’.

So, they expect you to sign on to a computer owned by QH, which has an individual IP address, on a network also owned by QH, to gain access to an application owned and run by QH, using your individual login i.d. and password, and answer the questions without fear or trepidation? Because they say it’s ok.

And they wonder why 70% of people don’t complete the survey.

My previous employer had that too. People were a bit wary of doing it at first but as the years went on they became bolder with their comments. They used to publish a selection of the anonymised comments but they eventaully stopped that…

The bank used to have one too. Except they came up with the idea that a bad survey (for how employees viewed the company) was a bad reflection on the individual supervisors and managers. Their bonuses and performance reviews had a significant weighting on the staff survey. Which is a bit unfair, staff might be perfectly gruntled with their supervisors or managers who work as a team to make the best of a bad situation, but disgruntled at the senior management levels – many of whom they never meet. it is a bit of a bind, you can’t say what you really think because it might get your local manager sacked and replaced by a dickhead, but if you say things to be kind to your manager the senior management take it as an endorsement of their dickheadery.

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:33:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1715961
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Saw Dutton’s little chat.

It’s kind of annoying listening to Morrison et al, because they are taling in abstract terms about sexual assault and abuse in “the community” whereas we want to hear about what they are going to do about the culture of sexual assault in the parliamentary Liberal party and staff.

Its really annoying when compared to black politics…in the community.

Ros Meeker
I’m calling for an intervention. Call in the army. Shut down the porn industry in Canberra. Shut the bars in Parliament house. Put em all on the card. Take control of their banking.

· Reply · 3 m

Ros Meeker
And then take the children away.

Ros Meeker
You make it so they couldn’t buy alcohol or even food in places that sold alcohol in all of Canberra and throw in Queanbeyan because that would be a hoot. And then you can pay their mortagages late and the payments on their cars late until their credit is crap. You can make them send photographs of the sporting equipment their kids want to buy and tell them they are not allowed to go on any excursions. And then you can take more kids away.

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Date: 26/03/2021 22:41:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1715963
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

And then you can take more kids away.

You seem to have no confidence in our government’s ability to manage large innovations in welfare payment systems.

What about Robodebt? Wasn’t that fun? Our good friend Christian ‘Time-Off’ Porter was constantly assuring us that it was all going just as planned, smooth sailing all the way.

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Date: 27/03/2021 08:59:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716019
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/03/2021 09:08:02
From: Rule 303
ID: 1716025
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It would appear that a serial pest and a delirious antagonist have voted down wage theft laws, despite saying they support them.

Just when you thought assaults with archaic ideologies were having their way with government, a pair of bikkie-dribbling idiots step up to the plate…

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-lot-of-confusion-but-no-mistake-one-nation-voted-down-wage-theft-laws-it-backs-20210323-p57db1.html

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Date: 27/03/2021 09:44:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716037
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


It would appear that a serial pest and a delirious antagonist have voted down wage theft laws, despite saying they support them.

Just when you thought assaults with archaic ideologies were having their way with government, a pair of bikkie-dribbling idiots step up to the plate…

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-lot-of-confusion-but-no-mistake-one-nation-voted-down-wage-theft-laws-it-backs-20210323-p57db1.html

It’s one of those deals that you do.

You tell the conservative, big-industry owned government, and your own corporate backers ‘don’t worry about what we might say out loud, when it comes down to the wire, we’ll be on your side’.

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Date: 27/03/2021 10:15:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716052
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Why aren’t Australian authorities banning more far-right extremist groups?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-27/why-isnt-australia-banning-more-far-right-extremist-groups/100032018

genius question but easy to answer, because they are the authorities

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Date: 27/03/2021 10:32:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716057
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/03/2021 10:35:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716059
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Why aren’t Australian authorities banning more far-right extremist groups?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-27/why-isnt-australia-banning-more-far-right-extremist-groups/100032018

genius question but easy to answer, because they are the authorities

Australia’s security services have a long history of being much more comfortable with right-wing groups than with left-wing organisations.

It’s been deeply embedded in their culture since the early days of the Cold War and the Menzies era, when trade unions did have a good deal of communist influence about them (hardly surprising, since the more fascist conservative elements were dead against unions), when there were ‘Reds under the bed’, Menzies wanted to outlaw the communist party, and everyone wanted to show that their were on board with the McCarthyist ‘exposures’ in the US.

Throughout the 60s and 70s, the infiltration of and monitoring of leftist groups and keeping tabs on activists was the major activity for ASIO and for special branches of police forces. For example, any time there was a student gathering at Sydney Uni, there was always one or two blokes on the library roof with cameras with long lenses.

However, rightist groups which were seen as inimical to ‘Bolshevism’ were very much farther down the list. They hardly got looked at, and in some instances were given tacit encouragement.
Groups like the Australian League of Rights and the Croatian Ustaše did pretty much as they pleased, without much observation or interference. Unions continued to be monitored very closely.

The culture of ‘left:bad/right:good’ has never faded entirely from Australian ‘security’ and with China and Russia becoming ever more meddlesome in the affairs of other countries, its had a decent boost in later years.

But, at long last, it seems to have reached the point where even ‘the authorities’ can’t ignore right-wing ratbaggery as much as they might like to.

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Date: 27/03/2021 10:38:53
From: Rule 303
ID: 1716065
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peter Dutton visibly orgasms after hearing that all boats have been stopped.

(The Chaser)

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Date: 27/03/2021 10:39:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1716066
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peter Dutton visibly orgasms after hearing that all boats have been stopped.

(The Chaser)

Now I have to unsee that.

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Date: 27/03/2021 10:49:31
From: Woodie
ID: 1716070
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Peter Dutton visibly orgasms after hearing that all boats have been stopped.

(The Chaser)

Was a desk involved? Probably his own.

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Date: 27/03/2021 10:51:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716071
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


Rule 303 said:

Peter Dutton visibly orgasms after hearing that all boats have been stopped.

(The Chaser)

Was a desk involved? Probably his own.

Sorry they’ve already been there, steam cleaned it and everything.

https://chaser.com.au/general-news/peter-dutton-visibly-orgasms-after-hearing-all-boats-have-been-stopped/

Minister for Defence and gender-neutral children’s toy Peter Dutton has today excused himself from a press conference after being asked how he planned to deal with the fact that all boats around the world have ground to a stop, at which point Dutton was seen to visibly twitch with ecstasy.

“Oh god, yes, oh yes, no don’t stop,” Dutton told journalists. “Now say it again but hold up a picture of some children in detention. I’m almost there.”

A frantic Scott Morrison was then seen rushing to the scene to ensure Dutton didn’t get any desks involved.

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Date: 27/03/2021 17:23:21
From: dv
ID: 1716218
Subject: re: Aust Politics

NEWS

As further reports of abusive sexual behaviour emerge from parliament, the AFP may be investigating the aftermath of Brittany Higgins’ alleged rape. By Karen Middleton.

Higgins police inquiry may extend to parliamentary ‘cover-up’

Government officials are refusing to answer key questions about what they did after Brittany Higgins’ alleged 2019 rape, suggesting police now may be investigating the incident’s aftermath.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/03/27/higgins-police-inquiry-may-extend-parliamentary-cover/161676360011343#hrd

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Date: 27/03/2021 17:28:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716220
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


NEWS

As further reports of abusive sexual behaviour emerge from parliament, the AFP may be investigating the aftermath of Brittany Higgins’ alleged rape. By Karen Middleton.

Higgins police inquiry may extend to parliamentary ‘cover-up’

Government officials are refusing to answer key questions about what they did after Brittany Higgins’ alleged 2019 rape, suggesting police now may be investigating the incident’s aftermath.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/03/27/higgins-police-inquiry-may-extend-parliamentary-cover/161676360011343#hrd

Paywall here. Can you post the entire article?

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Date: 27/03/2021 18:19:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716227
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

NEWS

As further reports of abusive sexual behaviour emerge from parliament, the AFP may be investigating the aftermath of Brittany Higgins’ alleged rape. By Karen Middleton.

Higgins police inquiry may extend to parliamentary ‘cover-up’

Government officials are refusing to answer key questions about what they did after Brittany Higgins’ alleged 2019 rape, suggesting police now may be investigating the incident’s aftermath.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/03/27/higgins-police-inquiry-may-extend-parliamentary-cover/161676360011343#hrd

Paywall here. Can you post the entire article?

try right click page source. it is pretty easy to read. scroll way down.

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Date: 27/03/2021 18:25:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716228
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Government officials are refusing to answer key questions about what they did after Brittany Higgins’ alleged 2019 rape, suggesting police may now be investigating the incident’s aftermath.

ACT Policing will not say if it is actively examining other potential offences, but a blanket of secrecy has been thrown over all aspects of the alleged incident, including how government officials responded after what was first reported as a “security breach”.

Senate president Scott Ryan and officials from the departments of Finance and Parliamentary Services refused to answer questions during estimates committee hearings this week about exactly what was reported and by whom following the incident in the early hours of March 23, 2019, or exactly who urgently sent in the cleaners to the ministerial suite and why.

Ryan told a hearing on Monday that not only was he unable to answer questions about events on the night, he also could not discuss what followed, because of the risk of jeopardising an investigation.

Initially, Ryan told Monday’s fiery finance and public administration estimates hearing that he was not aware of the lines of police inquiry and was “not in a position to determine what is relevant” to any investigation.

Under sustained questioning – with Labor’s Katy Gallagher and Kimberley Kitching and the Greens’ Sarah Hanson-Young all declaring it looked like “a cover-up” – Ryan spoke more directly.

“It is my understanding that events in the aftermath may be relevant to the course of investigation,” he said.
Parliamentary security guards are expected to mind their own business when they come across something Personally compromising in Parliament House, especially involving drunkenness.

The events of this week have catalysed a full-blown political crisis for Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his government over the response to allegations of sexual assault and sexual misconduct, and to recent mass protests over the treatment of women.

By week’s end, Morrison was moving to shift from their portfolios both Attorney-General Christian Porter and Defence Minister Linda Reynolds. It was in Reynolds’ office, when she was Defence Industry minister, where Higgins alleges she was raped by a colleague. This reshuffle comes after a month of refusal to move either minister from their portfolio.

Morrison also faced accusations he had misled parliament over the status of a departmental investigation into his own staff’s engagement with the Higgins matter. The prime minister’s departmental secretary, Phil Gaetjens, told an estimates hearing he had paused his inquiries after speaking to Australian Federal Police (AFP) commissioner Reece Kershaw. Gaetjens said he had informed Morrison of this more than a week before the prime minister told parliament he had received no update on the inquiry’s timing.

“I said, ‘He has not provided me with a further date on when I might expect that report,’ ” Morrison said in question time on Tuesday. “And he did not give me a date or
a time when that report would be provided.”

Earlier on Tuesday, a prime ministerial news conference backfired dramatically, when Morrison lashed out at a journalist’s question by airing false details of an unrelated harassment complaint at News Corp and warning journalists to “be careful”.

That incident prompted a late-night apology to the company, posted on the prime minister’s Facebook page.

Scott Ryan’s evidence to estimates – signalling a possibly wider police investigation into the Higgins matter – came despite a statement he and his fellow presiding officer, house of representatives speaker Tony Smith, issued on February 17 saying police had investigated the actions of Department of Parliamentary Services officials and parliamentary security guards last year and had found no wrongdoing.

Quoting the AFP, they said actions taken by DPS employees “were not in response to a suspected crime scene” because no sexual assault allegation had been made at that time.
This week, the AFP declined to say whether it stood by last year’s finding.
Government and other parliamentary sources suggested the commencement of a formal investigation, in the wake of Higgins’ official statement to police last month, could explain the apparent shift. However, nobody was willing to confirm this.
When The Saturday Paper asked the AFP how Ryan’s comments fitted with its previous conclusion about the DPS, and whether that conclusion had now changed, it had no comment.
The Saturday Paper also asked about the testimony of security guard Nikola Anderson, who told ABC TV’s Four Corners this week that Higgins had been so intoxicated that night, she was unable to put on her shoes after passing through a security scanner.
Anderson said she had unlocked the door to the ministerial suite where both Higgins and the man with her worked and were entitled to enter, because the pair had arrived without passes or keys.


Anderson recounted being told that the man had left the building alone – in a hurry – less than an hour later. When she then went to conduct a “welfare check” on Higgins, she found her lying “completely naked” on the minister’s couch.


Anderson said Higgins opened her eyes and rolled over but was otherwise unresponsive. The guard closed the door and left, with another check conducted later before Higgins eventually woke and left the building about 10am.


The Saturday Paper asked the AFP whether a reasonable person would conclude that sexual activity might have occurred – and why, given the reported level of Higgins’ intoxication, the AFP had determined this was not “a suspected crime scene” simply because no assault had been reported at that stage. The AFP declined to respond.


Parliamentary security guards are expected to mind their own business when they come across something personally compromising in Parliament House, especially involving drunkenness. They are the lowest-ranked employees in the parliamentary hierarchy, after the cleaners and visitor guides, and are often reluctant to take too much initiative in controversial circumstances for fear of losing their jobs – the same reason Higgins gave for not reporting her alleged rape to police sooner.


Morrison and his ministers have said the termination of Higgins’ alleged rapist a few days after the incident was for “a security breach”, but have struggled to explain the nature of that breach, given both Higgins and the man were entitled to enter Reynolds’ office.


Defence Department officials told a senate estimates committee hearing this week that no “security breach” had been reported to them in relation to the Higgins incident, which occurred in the then Defence Industry minister’s office, but that there had been one reported earlier that month involving leaving documents on a desk.


During estimates, Scott Ryan revealed that he and Tony Smith had “a number” of discussions with police about the Brittany Higgins matter, including “more than one” this year.


Ryan also revealed he had given evidence about the matter in private to “two other senate fora” – understood to refer to two other senate committees.


The Saturday Paper has been told one of these was a separate inquiry now under way into the management of the DPS. The inquiry questioned Ryan late last year after receiving an anonymous submission detailing what turned out to be the Higgins incident but which was without names and some other details.


As estimates hearings continued this week, further reports emerged relating to the government’s handling of sexual misconduct.


A Channel Ten news report revealed male Liberal staffers had circulated photographs and video of themselves masturbating on the desk of a female MP. It also said male sex workers were procured for a former minister, who took them to parliament’s meditation room.


It was this report that prompted Morrison to call his Tuesday news conference, to express disgust and apologise.


“I acknowledge that many Australians, especially women, believe that I have not heard them, and that greatly distresses me,” Morrison said.


He said he had been listening to women for a long time but particularly over the past month and apologised if his own responses had been deemed not good enough.


“We must take responsibility,” he said. “It is our problem here, it is our responsibility here, and I’m committed to dealing with that. We must do better in this place, all of us, and in our country we must do better.”


As the prime minister sought to repair the political damage, two more sets of allegations emerged, one involving Tasmanian Liberal senator Eric Abetz and another involving New South Wales Nationals state MP Michael Johnsen.


In the Tasmanian parliament on Wednesday former Liberal turned independent speaker Sue Hickey alleged under parliamentary privilege that she had asked Abetz on March 1 whether the then unnamed cabinet minister accused of a historical rape was Christian Porter.


“The senator quickly responded that yes, it was the first law officer of the nation, Christian Porter, but not to worry, the woman is dead and the law will protect him,” Hickey said.


She said he also described Brittany Higgins as having been “disgustingly drunk” and willing to sleep with anybody – and that she could have put national security at risk. Abetz denied he said what was reported.


Prime Minister Morrison accepted Abetz’s denial and insisted the sentiment behind the alleged remarks did not reflect the government’s view. The Tasmanian premier, Peter Gutwein, has asked him to investigate further.


Also on Wednesday, Labor MP Trish Doyle used parliamentary privilege in the NSW parliament to say a sex worker had alleged a member of the Berejiklian government had raped her in 2019.


NSW National Michael Johnsen revealed himself to be the subject of the accusation, which he denied, and said police were investigating.


Unlike Christian Porter, who remains on stress leave following the 33-year-old rape allegation against him by a woman who took her own life before a police investigation could be conducted, Johnsen chose to step down from his assistant ministerial post until the investigation could be completed. He has since moved to the crossbench, jeopardising the Coalition’s majority.


As these stories broke, women within
the Liberal Party began to speak out.


NSW state MP Catherine Cusack said Liberal women were “furious and embarrassed” but not speaking out due to party loyalty. “I have personally passed my tipping point,” she said. “I can’t defend the indefensible.”


Industry Minister Karen Andrews told ABC Radio National she’d “had a gutful” of disgusting, sexist and discriminatory behaviour. Andrews later told the ABC’s 7.30 that women in government were often frozen out of decision-making simply because they declined to be part of hard-drinking socialising where policy was often discussed and decisions made.


Liberal backbencher Sarah Henderson backed Andrews’ call for female quotas in the party, something long opposed by the majority and still opposed strongly by some, especially conservatives.


But Morrison said he was prepared to consider it. “I’ve always been very committed to this,” he told ABC radio’s AM on Thursday. “But what matters is the outcome. What I’ve simply said … to the party organisation at every level, federal and state, that we must achieve more here … It’s not about this measure or that measure. I just want what works. Just give me what works, party organisation.”


So far, nothing else does.

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Date: 27/03/2021 18:30:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Thanks Boris.

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Date: 27/03/2021 18:31:11
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716230
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Thanks Boris.

sibeen says “no worries”.

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Date: 27/03/2021 19:26:42
From: dv
ID: 1716244
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

NEWS

As further reports of abusive sexual behaviour emerge from parliament, the AFP may be investigating the aftermath of Brittany Higgins’ alleged rape. By Karen Middleton.

Higgins police inquiry may extend to parliamentary ‘cover-up’

Government officials are refusing to answer key questions about what they did after Brittany Higgins’ alleged 2019 rape, suggesting police now may be investigating the incident’s aftermath.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/03/27/higgins-police-inquiry-may-extend-parliamentary-cover/161676360011343#hrd

Paywall here. Can you post the entire article?

Sure

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Date: 27/03/2021 19:52:18
From: dv
ID: 1716260
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/03/2021 20:01:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716267
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



We must all listen to Tracey Grimshaw.

We must do as Tracey Grimshaw says.

All hail Tracey Grimshaw.

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Date: 27/03/2021 20:08:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1716268
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



ROFL

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Date: 27/03/2021 20:10:36
From: dv
ID: 1716273
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I can prove that Porter was playing Grand Theft Auto in 1988

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Date: 27/03/2021 22:56:58
From: dv
ID: 1716357
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So wow … the Laming story has escalated

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Date: 27/03/2021 22:59:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716360
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


So wow … the Laming story has escalated

catch me up.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:00:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716361
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

So wow … the Laming story has escalated

catch me up.

Heidi said something about taking photos up ladies skirts.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:05:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716363
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


So wow … the Laming story has escalated

Goes to show you can be a medical doctor and still a bloody moron.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:05:58
From: dv
ID: 1716364
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

So wow … the Laming story has escalated

catch me up.

Heidi said something about taking photos up ladies skirts.

Yes, and he’s step down from all parliamentary roles.

Channel9 report:

https://mobile.twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1375726017495580675

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:10:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716366
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

catch me up.

Heidi said something about taking photos up ladies skirts.

Yes, and he’s step down from all parliamentary roles.

Channel9 report:

https://mobile.twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1375726017495580675

I was really upset with him trolling the anti indue ladies from the floor of the house.

But he has bettered that.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:12:23
From: dv
ID: 1716367
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Heidi said something about taking photos up ladies skirts.

Yes, and he’s step down from all parliamentary roles.

Channel9 report:

https://mobile.twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1375726017495580675

I was really upset with him trolling the anti indue ladies from the floor of the house.

But he has bettered that.

Or worsed it?

I ain’t no lawyer but … seems to me she could potentially have him charged

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:15:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716368
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It’s about time to audit a bunch of laptops and email accounts.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:19:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716370
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

catch me up.

Heidi said something about taking photos up ladies skirts.

Yes, and he’s step down from all parliamentary roles.

Channel9 report:

https://mobile.twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1375726017495580675

Sheesus christ. the floodgates are opening.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:22:22
From: dv
ID: 1716371
Subject: re: Aust Politics

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s227a.html

Queensland Consolidated Acts

227A Observations or recordings in breach of privacy

(2) A person who observes or visually records another person’s genital or anal region, in circumstances where a reasonable adult would expect to be afforded privacy in relation to that region—
(a) without the other person’s consent; and
(b) when the observation or visual recording is made for the purpose of observing or visually recording the other person’s genital or anal region;
commits a misdemeanour.
Penalty—
Maximum penalty—3 years imprisonment.
Example—
using a mobile phone in a public place to take photos of women’s underwear under their skirts without their consent
(3) In this section—

“consent” means consent freely and voluntarily given by a person with the cognitive capacity to give the consent.

“genital or anal region” , of a person, means the person’s genital or anal region when it is bare or covered only by underwear.

——

I mean shit if he’s convicted then it rather saves Morrison the trouble of working out whether to expel him from the party.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:29:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716372
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s227a.html

Queensland Consolidated Acts

227A Observations or recordings in breach of privacy

(2) A person who observes or visually records another person’s genital or anal region, in circumstances where a reasonable adult would expect to be afforded privacy in relation to that region—
(a) without the other person’s consent; and
(b) when the observation or visual recording is made for the purpose of observing or visually recording the other person’s genital or anal region;
commits a misdemeanour.
Penalty—
Maximum penalty—3 years imprisonment.
Example—
using a mobile phone in a public place to take photos of women’s underwear under their skirts without their consent
(3) In this section—

“consent” means consent freely and voluntarily given by a person with the cognitive capacity to give the consent.

“genital or anal region” , of a person, means the person’s genital or anal region when it is bare or covered only by underwear.

——

I mean shit if he’s convicted then it rather saves Morrison the trouble of working out whether to expel him from the party.

Does Morrison have that power under LP rules?

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:31:42
From: Rule 303
ID: 1716374
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


It’s about time to audit a bunch of laptops and email accounts.

I think you’ll find the government systems wont let them access anything too offensive.

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Date: 27/03/2021 23:35:04
From: dv
ID: 1716376
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s227a.html

Queensland Consolidated Acts

227A Observations or recordings in breach of privacy

(2) A person who observes or visually records another person’s genital or anal region, in circumstances where a reasonable adult would expect to be afforded privacy in relation to that region—
(a) without the other person’s consent; and
(b) when the observation or visual recording is made for the purpose of observing or visually recording the other person’s genital or anal region;
commits a misdemeanour.
Penalty—
Maximum penalty—3 years imprisonment.
Example—
using a mobile phone in a public place to take photos of women’s underwear under their skirts without their consent
(3) In this section—

“consent” means consent freely and voluntarily given by a person with the cognitive capacity to give the consent.

“genital or anal region” , of a person, means the person’s genital or anal region when it is bare or covered only by underwear.

——

I mean shit if he’s convicted then it rather saves Morrison the trouble of working out whether to expel him from the party.

Does Morrison have that power under LP rules?

He can’t do it unilaterally but if he backed it the party would go along.

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Date: 28/03/2021 00:31:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716391
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so what’s going on here, are we digging up past past now, are people digging up their own, are the times calling for a reexamination of well everything

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-27/sa-labor-secretary-apologises-for-habib-flyer/100033472

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Date: 28/03/2021 00:39:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s227a.html

Queensland Consolidated Acts

227A Observations or recordings in breach of privacy

(2) A person who observes or visually records another person’s genital or anal region, in circumstances where a reasonable adult would expect to be afforded privacy in relation to that region—
(a) without the other person’s consent; and
(b) when the observation or visual recording is made for the purpose of observing or visually recording the other person’s genital or anal region;
commits a misdemeanour.
Penalty—
Maximum penalty—3 years imprisonment.
Example—
using a mobile phone in a public place to take photos of women’s underwear under their skirts without their consent
(3) In this section—

“consent” means consent freely and voluntarily given by a person with the cognitive capacity to give the consent.

“genital or anal region” , of a person, means the person’s genital or anal region when it is bare or covered only by underwear.

——

I mean shit if he’s convicted then it rather saves Morrison the trouble of working out whether to expel him from the party.

Does Morrison have that power under LP rules?

He can’t do it unilaterally but if he backed it the party would go along.

“I’m not a member of the LNP Queensland division, our state divisions make decisions about pre-selections,” he said.

“I am not the police force,” he said on Monday. “That is a matter for the police. I am not the commissioner of police.”

They know that, you know, I don’t hold a hose, mate, and I don’t sit in a control room.

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Date: 28/03/2021 00:51:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716395
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Primary gain (Fishbain 1994; Fishbain et al. 1995): A decrease in anxiety (gain) from an unconscious defensive operation, which then causes a physical or conversion symptom, e.g. an arm is voluntarily paralyzed because it was used to hurt somebody, thereby allaying guilt and anxiety.

Secondary gain (Fishbain 1994; Fishbain et al. 1995): The gain achieved from the physical or conversion symptom, which enables the patient to avoid a particularly noxious activity or which enables the patient to get support from the environment (gain) not otherwise forthcoming.

Malingering (Fishbain et al. 1999; Fishbain et al. 2002): It is the intentional production of false or grossly exaggerated physical or psychological symptoms motivated by external incentives (secondary gain), such as avoiding military duty or work or criminal prosecution and obtaining financial compensation or drugs.

External (secondary) gain is necessary for differentiating malingering from factitious disorder (a disorder in which patient consciously creates physical or psychological symptoms to assume the sick role, the primary gain). Malingerers show poor compliance with treatment and stop complaining about the assumed illness only after gaining the external benefit.

The Bowman MP said he would be on medical leave for an unspecified period of time while he undertook the counselling. He did not say whether he expected to return to Parliament in time for the federal budget.

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Date: 28/03/2021 08:46:03
From: Rule 303
ID: 1716430
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 28/03/2021 08:48:21
From: Rule 303
ID: 1716431
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scomo vs the womens

As the enemy closes in, Scomo rallies the troops for a final push to victory. It doesn’t end well.

(link opens video)

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Date: 28/03/2021 08:54:00
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1716432
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“If you feel excluded by the PM’s presentation, it’s because he’s not talking to you.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/27/scott-morrisons-efforts-to-engage-with-women-are-more-me-than-mea-culpa

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:19:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716438
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


“If you feel excluded by the PM’s presentation, it’s because he’s not talking to you.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/27/scott-morrisons-efforts-to-engage-with-women-are-more-me-than-mea-culpa

they also have something that resembles

Morrison has spent the past five weeks bobbing around like a cock on a boiling C.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:35:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


“If you feel excluded by the PM’s presentation, it’s because he’s not talking to you.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/27/scott-morrisons-efforts-to-engage-with-women-are-more-me-than-mea-culpa

Scotty from Marketing is increasingly relying on the advice of Jenny from Marketing. Wonder if she’s paid a fee.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:43:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It’s a good article though. When people roll their eyes at Scomo’s daggy dad act, they should realise he knows you’re rolling your eyes and doesn’t care.

The act isn’t aimed at you, it’s aimed at the subset of swinging voters who are too stupid to realise it’s just marketing. Elections in this country are often decided by the dumbest voters.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:46:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

Elections in this country are often decided by the dumbest voters.

True. Menzies’ long success at the polling booth owed more to an impressive set of eyebrows than to the talents of his governments.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:48:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

Elections in this country are often decided by the dumbest voters.

Not restricted to Australia I think.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:49:06
From: transition
ID: 1716452
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Divine Angel said:

“If you feel excluded by the PM’s presentation, it’s because he’s not talking to you.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/27/scott-morrisons-efforts-to-engage-with-women-are-more-me-than-mea-culpa

Scotty from Marketing is increasingly relying on the advice of Jenny from Marketing. Wonder if she’s paid a fee.

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:50:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

“If you feel excluded by the PM’s presentation, it’s because he’s not talking to you.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/27/scott-morrisons-efforts-to-engage-with-women-are-more-me-than-mea-culpa

Scotty from Marketing is increasingly relying on the advice of Jenny from Marketing. Wonder if she’s paid a fee.

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

Hard to avoid when you’re talking about the deeds of a man whose entire adult life has been devoted to spin.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:52:00
From: Tamb
ID: 1716456
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Scotty from Marketing is increasingly relying on the advice of Jenny from Marketing. Wonder if she’s paid a fee.

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

Hard to avoid when you’re talking about the deeds of a man whose entire adult life has been devoted to spin.


Shane Warne?

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:52:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

“If you feel excluded by the PM’s presentation, it’s because he’s not talking to you.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/27/scott-morrisons-efforts-to-engage-with-women-are-more-me-than-mea-culpa

Scotty from Marketing is increasingly relying on the advice of Jenny from Marketing. Wonder if she’s paid a fee.

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

It’s analysis, not spin. You’re free to disagree with her but bear in mind she knows a lot more about the machinations of federal politics than casual observers like us.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:53:19
From: transition
ID: 1716458
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Scotty from Marketing is increasingly relying on the advice of Jenny from Marketing. Wonder if she’s paid a fee.

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

Hard to avoid when you’re talking about the deeds of a man whose entire adult life has been devoted to spin.

more what happens coming out of all this that bothers me, if it ever resolves, which in a way it won’t, there’s a substantial cultural change, which in my view is likely not all good

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:56:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bubblecar said:
Elections in this country are often decided by the dumbest voters.

Not restricted to Australia I think.

True, I didn’t mean to give that impression.

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:56:45
From: transition
ID: 1716460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Scotty from Marketing is increasingly relying on the advice of Jenny from Marketing. Wonder if she’s paid a fee.

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

It’s analysis, not spin. You’re free to disagree with her but bear in mind she knows a lot more about the machinations of federal politics than casual observers like us.

so there’s no spin in the analysis, give us a break, these a social phenomena, largely in the territory of interpretation, views, ideas, soft reality

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:57:20
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716462
Subject: re: Aust Politics

More here:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/matt-golding-20151124-gl6ndp.html

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Date: 28/03/2021 09:58:47
From: buffy
ID: 1716464
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


It’s a good article though. When people roll their eyes at Scomo’s daggy dad act, they should realise he knows you’re rolling your eyes and doesn’t care.

The act isn’t aimed at you, it’s aimed at the subset of swinging voters who are too stupid to realise it’s just marketing. Elections in this country are often decided by the dumbest voters.

You could equally say elections in this country are often decided by the most intelligent voters. A bunch of people vote for the ones who win, and they cover the whole spectrum of intelligence.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:02:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716465
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

It’s analysis, not spin. You’re free to disagree with her but bear in mind she knows a lot more about the machinations of federal politics than casual observers like us.

so there’s no spin in the analysis, give us a break, these a social phenomena, largely in the territory of interpretation, views, ideas, soft reality

What do you mean by “spin”? Spin usually means distortion of the facts to serve a hidden agenda.

The Guardian is very openly a left-of-centre media outlet so you can expect that perspective from its political writers.

But I’m sure right-wing analysts who sympathise with Scomo would agree with Murphy that he’s targeting “the demographic that matters”, swinging voters who are likely to warm to the blokey image being offered.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:03:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Bubblecar said:

It’s a good article though. When people roll their eyes at Scomo’s daggy dad act, they should realise he knows you’re rolling your eyes and doesn’t care.

The act isn’t aimed at you, it’s aimed at the subset of swinging voters who are too stupid to realise it’s just marketing. Elections in this country are often decided by the dumbest voters.

You could equally say elections in this country are often decided by the most intelligent voters. A bunch of people vote for the ones who win, and they cover the whole spectrum of intelligence.

Studies have shown that the traditional swinging voters in marginal seats tend to be the least politically informed and most easily manipulated, which is why elections are often decided on knee-jerk issues in those seats.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:08:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716471
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


captain_spalding said:

transition said:

has its own spin that page, spin spin spin, there’s apparently no end to it

Hard to avoid when you’re talking about the deeds of a man whose entire adult life has been devoted to spin.


Shane Warne?

Zarkov

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:10:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716472
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Hard to avoid when you’re talking about the deeds of a man whose entire adult life has been devoted to spin.


Shane Warne?

Zarkov

Heh.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:10:39
From: Tamb
ID: 1716473
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Hard to avoid when you’re talking about the deeds of a man whose entire adult life has been devoted to spin.


Shane Warne?

Zarkov


That’s one demon I do not wish to summon.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:25:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1716474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s a good article though. When people roll their eyes at Scomo’s daggy dad act, they should realise he knows you’re rolling your eyes and doesn’t care.

The act isn’t aimed at you, it’s aimed at the subset of swinging voters who are too stupid to realise it’s just marketing. Elections in this country are often decided by the dumbest voters.

You could equally say elections in this country are often decided by the most intelligent voters. A bunch of people vote for the ones who win, and they cover the whole spectrum of intelligence.

Studies have shown that the traditional swinging voters in marginal seats tend to be the least politically informed and most easily manipulated, which is why elections are often decided on knee-jerk issues in those seats.

So studies performed by people with fixed party-political views find that “swinging voters” are not people like them.

What a surprise.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:29:58
From: transition
ID: 1716476
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s analysis, not spin. You’re free to disagree with her but bear in mind she knows a lot more about the machinations of federal politics than casual observers like us.

so there’s no spin in the analysis, give us a break, these a social phenomena, largely in the territory of interpretation, views, ideas, soft reality

What do you mean by “spin”? Spin usually means distortion of the facts to serve a hidden agenda.

The Guardian is very openly a left-of-centre media outlet so you can expect that perspective from its political writers.

But I’m sure right-wing analysts who sympathise with Scomo would agree with Murphy that he’s targeting “the demographic that matters”, swinging voters who are likely to warm to the blokey image being offered.

you seemed to initially know what I meant, intuitively, like for a moment you consulted your native intelligence, then you wandered off and alienated that, went to what it usually means, asked what it ought mean while summoning an idea of what it should mean, which then involved some feelings toward what it shouldn’t mean, and can’t mean

i’d suggest the entire government of Australia presently up against global forces, a very mixed bag of forces, some of which could be said to be unfriendly to any government at all here, hostile to any apparently effective government

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:33:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716479
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

You could equally say elections in this country are often decided by the most intelligent voters. A bunch of people vote for the ones who win, and they cover the whole spectrum of intelligence.

Studies have shown that the traditional swinging voters in marginal seats tend to be the least politically informed and most easily manipulated, which is why elections are often decided on knee-jerk issues in those seats.

So studies performed by people with fixed party-political views find that “swinging voters” are not people like them.

What a surprise.

Just statistical studies that have been relied on for ages by both major parties. What the typical swinging voters think, what they know, what they don’t know etc.

The situation is more complex these days because there are also more intelligent people looking for alternatives to the major parties, but that’s a different demographic and usually a more informed one.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:42:59
From: Woodie
ID: 1716483
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Morning Sundays. :)

24.8C & 52% indoors
26.8C & 52% outdoors

1016 hPa and steady

Headed for 29C

No moolies, wind or cloud to report. Nuttin’ at all in those meteorological aspects. All zilch, zip. Nuttin’.

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:45:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1716487
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Statistics have long proven that poling a studio audience is the best way to get to the bottom of an issue.
I remember as if it was 45 years ago Grahame Kennedy standing there with a card in his hand with the correct answer on it…..………..those were the days when everything was proper……………..everything was normal………all the floods and droughts and fires and cyclones and afternoon summer storms were normal and no ones fault……..and Bob Menzies was always President…………good times good times……….

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Date: 28/03/2021 10:51:29
From: Tamb
ID: 1716492
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Statistics have long proven that poling a studio audience is the best way to get to the bottom of an issue.
I remember as if it was 45 years ago Grahame Kennedy standing there with a card in his hand with the correct answer on it…..………..those were the days when everything was proper……………..everything was normal………all the floods and droughts and fires and cyclones and afternoon summer storms were normal and no ones fault……..and Bob Menzies was always President…………good times good times……….

President???

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Date: 28/03/2021 11:02:51
From: Woodie
ID: 1716498
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Statistics have long proven that poling a studio audience is the best way to get to the bottom of an issue.
I remember as if it was 45 years ago Grahame Kennedy standing there with a card in his hand with the correct answer on it…..………..those were the days when everything was proper……………..everything was normal………all the floods and droughts and fires and cyclones and afternoon summer storms were normal and no ones fault……..and Bob Menzies was always President…………good times good times……….

Yeah….. sigh And they were all “Sir” in those days too. Sir Bob Menzies. Where we would all bow and curtsey to Sir Robert and Dame Pattie, a doting wife and mother of three children that never heard of again. Dame Pattie even had a boat named after her. Wonder what Dame Pattie would have to say about all this?

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Date: 28/03/2021 11:14:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1716499
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Statistics have long proven that poling a studio audience is the best way to get to the bottom of an issue.
I remember as if it was 45 years ago Grahame Kennedy standing there with a card in his hand with the correct answer on it…..………..those were the days when everything was proper……………..everything was normal………all the floods and droughts and fires and cyclones and afternoon summer storms were normal and no ones fault……..and Bob Menzies was always President…………good times good times……….

Yeah….. sigh And they were all “Sir” in those days too. Sir Bob Menzies. Where we would all bow and curtsey to Sir Robert and Dame Pattie, a doting wife and mother of three children that never heard of again. Dame Pattie even had a boat named after her. Wonder what Dame Pattie would have to say about all this?

I don’t know what became of Sir Dame Patty or the fruit of her loins but it would have been normal and proper.

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Date: 28/03/2021 11:17:26
From: Tamb
ID: 1716500
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Statistics have long proven that poling a studio audience is the best way to get to the bottom of an issue.
I remember as if it was 45 years ago Grahame Kennedy standing there with a card in his hand with the correct answer on it…..………..those were the days when everything was proper……………..everything was normal………all the floods and droughts and fires and cyclones and afternoon summer storms were normal and no ones fault……..and Bob Menzies was always President…………good times good times……….

Yeah….. sigh And they were all “Sir” in those days too. Sir Bob Menzies. Where we would all bow and curtsey to Sir Robert and Dame Pattie, a doting wife and mother of three children that never heard of again. Dame Pattie even had a boat named after her. Wonder what Dame Pattie would have to say about all this?

I don’t know what became of Sir Dame Patty or the fruit of her loins but it would have been normal and proper.


We had to take Mum off the electoral roll as she kept trying to vote for “That nice Mr Menzies” years after he’d died.

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Date: 28/03/2021 11:18:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716501
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Statistics have long proven that poling a studio audience is the best way to get to the bottom of an issue.
I remember as if it was 45 years ago Grahame Kennedy standing there with a card in his hand with the correct answer on it…..………..those were the days when everything was proper……………..everything was normal………all the floods and droughts and fires and cyclones and afternoon summer storms were normal and no ones fault……..and Bob Menzies was always President…………good times good times……….

Yeah….. sigh And they were all “Sir” in those days too. Sir Bob Menzies. Where we would all bow and curtsey to Sir Robert and Dame Pattie, a doting wife and mother of three children that never heard of again. Dame Pattie even had a boat named after her. Wonder what Dame Pattie would have to say about all this?

I don’t know what became of Sir Dame Patty or the fruit of her loins but it would have been normal and proper.

Kenneth was born in Hawthorn on 14 January 1922. He married Marjorie Cook on 16 September 1949, and had six children; Alec, Lindsay, Robert III, Diana, Donald, and Geoffrey. He died in Kooyong on 8 September 1993. Ian and Heather were both born in Kew, on 12 October 1923 and 3 August 1928, respectively. Ian was afflicted with an undisclosed illness for most of his life. He never married, nor had children, and died in 1974 in East Melbourne at the age of 50. Heather married Peter Henderson, a diplomat and public servant (working at the Australian Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia at the time of their marriage, and serving as the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs from 1979 to 1984), on 1 May 1955. A daughter, Roberta, named after Menzies, was born in 1956. She was instrumental in the development of Canberra and the Australian Capital Territory, and lives in Canberra.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:00:35
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716513
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Laming’s gone.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:01:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716514
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Laming’s gone.

Phrased badly. Quiting at next election.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:02:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716515
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Laming’s gone.

You’ve got to say it like Bill Lawry:

‘Got ‘im! He’s g-o-o-o-rn, Laming is g-o-o-o-rn!’

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:02:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716516
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Laming’s gone.

Phrased badly. Quiting at next election.

Good.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:03:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716517
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Laming’s gone.

They’re reporting that he won’t recontest the next election. Has he now resigned immediately?

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:03:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716518
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Laming’s gone.

Phrased badly. Quiting at next election.

Ok.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:09:09
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1716520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Laming’s gone.

Phrased badly. Quiting at next election.

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:30:34
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1716524
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Laming’s gone.

Phrased badly. Quiting at next election.

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:34:12
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716525
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Divine Angel said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Phrased badly. Quiting at next election.

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:36:52
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1716526
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

Nope. I followed his posts on Facepalm for a while and it was pretty obvious that he’s a moron. NFI how he got a medical degree!

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:39:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716528
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

I wonder how many of the politicians attracted to that side of politics deliberately “play the bad guy” to make it clear they’re not bleeding-heart social-justice types like the progressives.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:41:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1716529
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

Nope. I followed his posts on Facepalm for a while and it was pretty obvious that he’s a moron. NFI how he got a medical degree!

Says a lot about universities?

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:46:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716531
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I wonder how many of the politicians attracted to that side of politics deliberately “play the bad guy” to make it clear they’re not bleeding-heart social-justice types like the progressives.

All this talk of encouraging empathy and countering toxic masculinity must be making a lot of them grit their teeth while silently fuming.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:47:19
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716532
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Spiny Norman said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

Nope. I followed his posts on Facepalm for a while and it was pretty obvious that he’s a moron. NFI how he got a medical degree!

Says a lot about universities?

Not really. all climate scientists went to uni.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:49:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716534
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

I wonder how many of the politicians attracted to that side of politics deliberately “play the bad guy” to make it clear they’re not bleeding-heart social-justice types like the progressives.

I do often wonder about the psychology of contrarians. Often it is just attention seeking but sometimes it seems to be an aspect of an egotistical impulse to differentiate themselves from the great mass of people regardless of what illogical views that must entail. Buffy’s Swedish doctor fits this type.

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Date: 28/03/2021 12:53:14
From: dv
ID: 1716535
Subject: re: Aust Politics

McCormack said the Nationals had agreed to undergo empathy training in relation to the treatment of women. He said his MPs were ready “to sit around for an hour or so” to learn from an expert.

If we can learn from an expert … and actually learn a few tips on how to not only be better ourselves, but how to call out others for it, then I think that’s a good thing,” the deputy prime minister said.

Morrison said everyone needed to change their behaviour but he didn’t want the current crisis to divide Australians. “I don’t want to see gender become a defining thing in this nation. I don’t want this to be a women-versus-men, men-versus-women issue,” he said.

——

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/28/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-asks-for-privacy-as-he-steps-down-from-all-parliamentary-roles

Imagine being a grown man in 2021 needing an expert to explain what’s wring with all this.

And more weirdly off target comments by Morrison. I don’t think this IS dividing Australia, especially.

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Date: 28/03/2021 13:04:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716536
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

Cocaine?

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Date: 28/03/2021 13:06:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716537
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


McCormack said the Nationals had agreed to undergo empathy training in relation to the treatment of women. He said his MPs were ready “to sit around for an hour or so” to learn from an expert.

If we can learn from an expert … and actually learn a few tips on how to not only be better ourselves, but how to call out others for it, then I think that’s a good thing,” the deputy prime minister said.

Morrison said everyone needed to change their behaviour but he didn’t want the current crisis to divide Australians. “I don’t want to see gender become a defining thing in this nation. I don’t want this to be a women-versus-men, men-versus-women issue,” he said.

——

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/28/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-asks-for-privacy-as-he-steps-down-from-all-parliamentary-roles

Imagine being a grown man in 2021 needing an expert to explain what’s wring with all this.

And more weirdly off target comments by Morrison. I don’t think this IS dividing Australia, especially.

They could contract Jenny out.

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Date: 28/03/2021 13:10:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1716539
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>Morrison said everyone needed to change their behaviour but he didn’t want the current crisis to divide Australians.

It’s just his typical rhetoric of distraction. Over-generalising to deflect attention from the fact that his side of politics is contributing the worst behaviour.

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Date: 28/03/2021 13:22:40
From: dv
ID: 1716541
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

I wonder how many of the politicians attracted to that side of politics deliberately “play the bad guy” to make it clear they’re not bleeding-heart social-justice types like the progressives.

I do often wonder about the psychology of contrarians. Often it is just attention seeking but sometimes it seems to be an aspect of an egotistical impulse to differentiate themselves from the great mass of people regardless of what illogical views that must entail. Buffy’s Swedish doctor fits this type.

Thank heavens we have no one like that here.

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:07:55
From: party_pants
ID: 1716559
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


McCormack said the Nationals had agreed to undergo empathy training in relation to the treatment of women. He said his MPs were ready “to sit around for an hour or so” to learn from an expert.

I am not so sure about this. If you have got this far in life while lacking it I can’t see how it can suddenly be acquired in a one hour training session.

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:09:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716562
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

McCormack said the Nationals had agreed to undergo empathy training in relation to the treatment of women. He said his MPs were ready “to sit around for an hour or so” to learn from an expert.

I am not so sure about this. If you have got this far in life while lacking it I can’t see how it can suddenly be acquired in a one hour training session.

I wonder if you get a certificate at completion?

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:10:29
From: dv
ID: 1716564
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

McCormack said the Nationals had agreed to undergo empathy training in relation to the treatment of women. He said his MPs were ready “to sit around for an hour or so” to learn from an expert.

I am not so sure about this. If you have got this far in life while lacking it I can’t see how it can suddenly be acquired in a one hour training session.

I wonder if you get a certificate at completion?

Some of should be certified.

I do hope she presses charges.

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:10:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716565
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

Sounds like a surgeon.

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:12:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716567
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

I am not so sure about this. If you have got this far in life while lacking it I can’t see how it can suddenly be acquired in a one hour training session.

I wonder if you get a certificate at completion?

Some of should be certified.

I do hope she presses charges.

Oh yes. a few years in clink would teach him to pull his head in.

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:15:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1716568
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

McCormack said the Nationals had agreed to undergo empathy training in relation to the treatment of women. He said his MPs were ready “to sit around for an hour or so” to learn from an expert.

I am not so sure about this. If you have got this far in life while lacking it I can’t see how it can suddenly be acquired in a one hour training session.

But McCormack is a total dipshit.

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:21:26
From: buffy
ID: 1716569
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh that’s a shame… said no one.

My thoughts exactly. He’s a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Too stupid to know he’s stupid, and thinks he’s a genius.

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

He has reproduced, apparently. So there is another generation with half his genes.

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Date: 28/03/2021 14:25:10
From: buffy
ID: 1716571
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

He’s possibly quite bright eg the medical degree but he seems to have the emotional intelligence of an 8yo.

I wonder how many of the politicians attracted to that side of politics deliberately “play the bad guy” to make it clear they’re not bleeding-heart social-justice types like the progressives.

I do often wonder about the psychology of contrarians. Often it is just attention seeking but sometimes it seems to be an aspect of an egotistical impulse to differentiate themselves from the great mass of people regardless of what illogical views that must entail. Buffy’s Swedish doctor fits this type.

He’s done ketogenic diets now.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/23/ketogenic-diet-safe-and-healthy/

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Date: 28/03/2021 15:44:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716621
Subject: re: Aust Politics

‘Hacks, stacks and freaks’: Why do political staffers behave so badly?

By Michael Koziol
March 28, 2021 — 12.00am

For most Australians – who have never set foot inside Canberra’s Parliament House let alone spent long sitting weeks working there – the behavioural norms on display in this workplace must seem stunning.

How many people are drunkenly parading around the corridors late at night? How could a security guard leave a naked woman sleeping on a minister’s couch? Why would someone masturbate on an MP’s desk and film it for his colleagues?

More importantly, why does this bad behaviour so often manifest in disrespect and mistreatment of women? And how has this culture been allowed to fester, barely below the surface, for so long?

When bad behaviour does occur, it’s usually up to the MP or chief of staff to respond. There is no central human resources department in Parliament House. In some ways it is more a collection of hundreds of offices, each with their own leader, operating under one roof.
When bad behaviour does occur, it’s usually up to the MP or chief of staff to respond. There is no central human resources department in Parliament House. In some ways it is more a collection of hundreds of offices, each with their own leader, operating under one roof.

To report this story, The Sun-Herald and The Sunday Age spoke to nearly a dozen former political staffers who worked in Parliament House over the past 10 years. All of them had complaints about the workplace culture and the structure of political life; though many said they themselves had a positive experience.

Very few were prepared to be identified, even those who have been out of politics for years or even moved overseas. Most still work in political circles, commonly government or public relations, and feared reprisal if they used their names. Many were open to returning to front-line politics.

This culture of secrecy, and protecting yourself and your party, was mentioned by every person interviewed as being one of the key contributors to the ongoing bad behaviour in Parliament.

“You don’t want to rock the boat, especially if you’re young,” says a former Liberal staffer from the current government who says he was inappropriately touched at a work function involving alcohol. He says he told the person to stop; they didn’t.

“Certain people have reputations,” he adds. “You stay away from them when they drink, and that’s widely known but nothing is done about it. This is nothing new, this is going back years.”

Jacob White worked as a Labor staffer for eight years until 2020. He says he worked for wonderful MPs, but it’s inevitably a job in which “you spend a lot of time getting yelled at by people who are angry at things you can’t control”.

White says he witnessed situations and conversations which he thought were “normal”, but has come to realise they were not. “For a group of staffers and MPs, going to Canberra is treated like going to school camp. All bets are off, you’re away from home, away from family, and behaviour quickly sinks to the gutter,” he says.

“This is a totally artificial environment and the toxic culture that has been laid bare this month thrives in it.”

A former Coalition staffer in the Turnbull and Morrison governments says she saw and experienced bullying and humiliation in Parliament, including a female colleague who was “horrifically bullied by a man quite publicly in the office” to the point of tears. “When she cried they’d say, ‘You’re too sensitive.’ She was a massive sweetheart.”

The same staffer says she herself was consistently undermined by a junior colleague who adopted her more senior job title and even made corresponding business cards. “There was this sense of entitlement … they were all mates in this circle they were all referring to themselves with these titles that didn’t exist,” she says.

The relative youth of the political workforce would surprise some readers. Especially for junior MPs and assistant ministers, staff tend to be plucked from branches, the parties’ youth wings, university campuses and family connections.

As one former Liberal staffer says: “They’re made up of hacks, stacks and freaks. There are very few normal people in the lower level of party branches. People who are normal have families and have to take kids to soccer and have real jobs.”

The people interviewed for this story estimated at least 50 per cent of political staff in the building were under 30 years of age; even higher among backbenchers and the outer ministry. Most are also men. They arrive in the corridors of power with big pay cheques and an elevated sense of worth.

The base salary for a government adviser runs from $96,000 to $141,000, depending on their grade. Senior government media advisers earn $150,000 to $190,000. That is before you add the “personal staff allowance” of $30,000 to $33,000, which partly covers the “reasonable additional hours” staff are expected to work, and myriad other payments including the well-known travel allowance.

It is worth noting political staffers – especially those who work for ministers – put in extremely long hours when Parliament is sitting, for which there is no structured overtime. Whether it is waking at 5am to read press clippings or accompanying their boss to an after-hours function, the work can be intense.
Scott Morrison facing questions on the scandals confronting his government during question time.

“The structure of the place lends itself to competition and back-stabbing,” says one former Liberal staffer who left around the end of the Turnbull government. “There is a sense that over time you forget about what the proper standard of conduct is. You find yourself making excuses for people’s behaviour in a way that you probably wouldn’t in other places.

“Even the outer ministry, the staffers there will try to undermine and improve the position of their minister versus yours. There is a transactional component to those relationships that sometimes creates the space for bad behaviour to creep in.”

Work also bleeds into play. Every night there are functions in Parliament House put on by MPs, lobbyists and interest groups; they are always well catered with canapes and drinks. Outside the building, there are plenty of similar events or private dinners at the restaurants of Kingston and Manuka.

“Three nights a week at least you’re being taken out by senior stakeholders,” recalls one senior Liberal staffer from the Turnbull era. “You’re eating in great restaurants, drinking great bottles of wine, you’re in great company. They’re taking you out and it’s fun. You get caught up in it.”

Jacqui Munro, vice-president of the NSW Liberal Party’s Womens Council and a former Turnbull staffer, explained to the ABC on Friday how integral this after-hours activity was to political life.

“You’re working throughout the evening potentially, whether it is networking or making friends with people,” she said. “There’s no doubt that drinking alcohol can cause people to behave in ways that they wouldn’t if they were sober. I think that reality is challenging to accept at times.”

Another former Liberal staffer noted there was also “plenty of drinking in the press gallery” and poor behaviour was not limited to any one political party or wing of the building.

One factor many advisers thought played a role in the prevalence of poor conduct was the structure of political life in Canberra: the majority of advisers, lobbyists and a good portion of journalists are fly-in, fly-out. They’re away from home, staying in the same hotels and living on other people’s money.

“It’s like you’re on holidays, and everyone behaves poorly on holidays,” says one former adviser, who also likened it to being back at university.

When bad behaviour does occur, it’s usually up to the MP or chief of staff to respond. There is no central human resources department in Parliament House. In some ways it is more a collection of hundreds of offices, each with their own leader, operating under one roof.

Furthermore, political staffers live by the maxim of never causing trouble for their boss – and that means not making a complaint.

“There’s just this sense that if you feel you’ve been wronged – and there’s plenty of that – there is just no recourse at all,” says a former Liberal staffer who worked in a range of ministerial offices under Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull.

“Even to raise it with a sound-minded chief of staff could be very career-limiting because they will think, ‘This person is a whiner who is going to cause us trouble, so we have to manage them out.’ ”

A female formal Liberal adviser noted standards were set at the top. “You naturally channel your boss’ vibe,” she says. “The majority of politicians like power – that doesn’t just happen in the chamber, that happens in the office.”

Another former adviser observed: “A lot of MPs have never run a business, they have never been employers. That lack of consistency means that in some places standards are far too low.”

The barrage of allegations, incidents and complaints publicised in recent months prompted the government to instigate several reviews, including a review of Parliament’s workplace culture led by Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins. Another review by Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet deputy secretary Stephanie Foster will examine the complaints process, and a new 24/7 hotline has been created for staff to report incidents.

Several people interviewed for this story were considering submissions to the Jenkins review or indicated they may speak on the record about particular grievances later.

But a bigger problem remains the very nature of the job that attracts and encourages young, fresh, ambitious workhorse types to flock to Canberra, plies them with money and booze and places them under the control of the highly flawed Members of Parliament (Staff) Act – which has been crying out for reform for years.

Many of the ex-staffers interviewed for this story were upset by the shame and embarrassment cast upon their workplace and profession by the stream of sleaze, sexism and alleged criminality revealed in the past two months from a small but not insignificant minority of wrongdoers.

“Staffing should be a job that people aspire to, and a select few have trashed that,” White says.

“We know where the system is broken and we know who the problem people are. If any good is to come of all this pain and hurt, I hope it’s that our national Parliament can one day become a safe and respectable place to work – for everyone.”

Michael Koziol is deputy editor of The Sun-Herald, based in Sydney.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/hacks-stacks-and-freaks-why-do-political-staffers-behave-so-badly-20210324-p57do0.html

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Date: 28/03/2021 18:12:45
From: dv
ID: 1716664
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 28/03/2021 18:32:41
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1716668
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



She has a valid point.

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Date: 28/03/2021 18:55:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716669
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


dv said:


She has a valid point.

If this lady wants a system whereby the greatest resources are accorded to those with the greatest need, and elected representatives direct their efforts to securing that sort of allocation and not be focus on the preservation of their own gain, position, and reputation at the public expense, then i suggest that she should move to a country where that sort of nonsense is countenanced!

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Date: 28/03/2021 19:12:43
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1716670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


monkey skipper said:

dv said:


She has a valid point.

If this lady wants a system whereby the greatest resources are accorded to those with the greatest need, and elected representatives direct their efforts to securing that sort of allocation and not be focus on the preservation of their own gain, position, and reputation at the public expense, then i suggest that she should move to a country where that sort of nonsense is countenanced!

Utopia?

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Date: 28/03/2021 19:25:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716672
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


dv said:


She has a valid point.

I’ve been banging on about this stuff. The divide is real. And Sco mo knows it.

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Date: 28/03/2021 19:29:05
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1716674
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


monkey skipper said:

dv said:


She has a valid point.

I’ve been banging on about this stuff. The divide is real. And Sco mo knows it.

Anybody who experiences mental illness, has friends or family members who experience mental illness understand this all very well and certainly those who work in the sector.

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Date: 28/03/2021 19:56:57
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1716677
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


dv said:


She has a valid point.

She may be eligable if her job was the cause of the stress.

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:00:33
From: dv
ID: 1716678
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dark Orange said:


monkey skipper said:

dv said:


She has a valid point.

She may be eligable if her job was the cause of the stress.

I don’t think “being called out for crimes committed while on the job” counts as stress.

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:02:07
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1716679
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dark Orange said:


monkey skipper said:

dv said:


She has a valid point.

She may be eligable if her job was the cause of the stress.

I must say Queensland is pretty good as the govt provides 6 free visits per year to a specialist to those who meet the criteria for support , that includes pyschologists, physio, dietitions and pediatrists etc

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:04:25
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1716680
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Dark Orange said:

monkey skipper said:

She has a valid point.

She may be eligable if her job was the cause of the stress.

I don’t think “being called out for crimes committed while on the job” counts as stress.

I suppose it all depends on the wording of their work contract.

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:07:29
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1716681
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


Dark Orange said:

monkey skipper said:

She has a valid point.

She may be eligable if her job was the cause of the stress.

I must say Queensland is pretty good as the govt provides 6 free visits per year to a specialist to those who meet the criteria for support , that includes pyschologists, physio, dietitions and pediatrists etc

10 for a psychologist under a mental health plan, although I think over Covid it was increased to 20?

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:15:46
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1716682
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


monkey skipper said:

Dark Orange said:

She may be eligable if her job was the cause of the stress.

I must say Queensland is pretty good as the govt provides 6 free visits per year to a specialist to those who meet the criteria for support , that includes pyschologists, physio, dietitions and pediatrists etc

10 for a psychologist under a mental health plan, although I think over Covid it was increased to 20?

Maybe…I am aware on one person who had access to more support due to their care plan like your say … it is a good thing….

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:43:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1716686
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



This gender based example falls over badly because the person being denigrated for allegedly committing a crime and having good workplace conditions falls over badly because that person could easily have been a woman.
It’s nuts, misses the point and makes the author look stupid.

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:47:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716691
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:


This gender based example falls over badly because the person being denigrated for allegedly committing a crime and having good workplace conditions falls over badly because that person could easily have been a woman.
It’s nuts, misses the point and makes the author look stupid.

but it is about a specific man. so spot on.

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:48:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716693
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:


This gender based example falls over badly because the person being denigrated for allegedly committing a crime and having good workplace conditions falls over badly because that person could easily have been a woman.
It’s nuts, misses the point and makes the author look stupid.

but it is about a specific man. so spot on.

And she had a superfluous apostrophe.

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:51:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1716697
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:


This gender based example falls over badly because the person being denigrated for allegedly committing a crime and having good workplace conditions falls over badly because that person could easily have been a woman.
It’s nuts, misses the point and makes the author look stupid.

but it is about a specific man. so spot on.

What man?

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:55:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716698
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

This gender based example falls over badly because the person being denigrated for allegedly committing a crime and having good workplace conditions falls over badly because that person could easily have been a woman.
It’s nuts, misses the point and makes the author look stupid.

but it is about a specific man. so spot on.

What man?

What crime? There’s been allegations, there’s been circumstantial evidence accumulated, but AFAIK he hasn’t been charged with the commission of a crime.

I’m not for one moment saying that i don’t suspect the turd of having done it, but without charge and conviction, we can’t say he’s committed a crime.

So, not quite so spot on.

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Date: 28/03/2021 20:58:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1716699
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

but it is about a specific man. so spot on.

What man?

What crime? There’s been allegations, there’s been circumstantial evidence accumulated, but AFAIK he hasn’t been charged with the commission of a crime.

I’m not for one moment saying that i don’t suspect the turd of having done it, but without charge and conviction, we can’t say he’s committed a crime.

So, not quite so spot on.

Exactly, you see a lot of these grabs off the internet posted here but when you put their feet to the fire it all comes tumbling down.

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Date: 28/03/2021 21:18:45
From: dv
ID: 1716708
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Not satire

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Date: 28/03/2021 21:48:12
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716721
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

This gender based example falls over badly because the person being denigrated for allegedly committing a crime and having good workplace conditions falls over badly because that person could easily have been a woman.
It’s nuts, misses the point and makes the author look stupid.

but it is about a specific man. so spot on.

What man?

Laming’s taking photos of a woman derriere at the local gardening centre was a crime

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Date: 28/03/2021 21:52:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716726
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

but it is about a specific man. so spot on.

What man?

Laming’s taking photos of a woman derriere at the local gardening centre was a crime

which is pretty obvious. if you’ve been following the news.

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Date: 28/03/2021 21:53:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716727
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ah it’s the old tree fall forest nobody sound exercise again we love philosophy

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Date: 28/03/2021 21:56:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716732
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sorry we mean if a lady bends over at the nursery and nobody is around to take a photograph except a federal politician then does that still make it a crime

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Date: 28/03/2021 21:58:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716734
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sorry we mean if a lady bends over at the nursery and nobody is around to take a photograph except a federal politician then does that still make it a crime

depends?

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Date: 28/03/2021 23:21:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1716773
Subject: re: Aust Politics

perhaps the protests should move to football matches.

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Date: 29/03/2021 07:26:03
From: Rule 303
ID: 1716795
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


perhaps the protests should move to football matches.

But… in other places not too far away they’re being shot!
Good to see some pressure being applied.

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Date: 29/03/2021 08:51:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716809
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I didn’t know Andrew Laming is a member of the men behaving badly club. I see he is leaving the men behaving badly club at the next election.

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Date: 29/03/2021 08:55:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1716811
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


I didn’t know Andrew Laming is a member of the men behaving badly club. I see he is leaving the men behaving badly club at the next election.

Well he can’t leave before or Scomo’s mob will be running short on members.
Send him on a holiday called counselling and shuffle some other to hold his place.

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Date: 29/03/2021 09:55:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1716844
Subject: re: Aust Politics

more reshuffling

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Date: 29/03/2021 09:58:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716845
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


more reshuffling

Didn’t see much ‘news’ there, i’m afraid.

Dumping Porter and Reynolds, and shunting Dutton to Defence have all been very much on the cards for a little while now.

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Date: 29/03/2021 09:58:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716846
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Maybe by the end of year all males in the liberal party will be on sick leave.

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:01:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716847
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Maybe by the end of year all males in the liberal party will be on sick leave.

There’s going to be a few more I hear.

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:02:48
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716851
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe by the end of year all males in the liberal party will be on sick leave.

There’s going to be a few more I hear.

Former Labor MP Kate Ellis leads group of female politicians lifting lid on ‘toxic workplace culture’ in Parliament House

Nationals MP Anne Webster lodges a complaint against man who allegedly harassed her in Parliament House

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:05:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716853
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe by the end of year all males in the liberal party will be on sick leave.

There’s going to be a few more I hear.

Former Labor MP Kate Ellis leads group of female politicians lifting lid on ‘toxic workplace culture’ in Parliament House

Nationals MP Anne Webster lodges a complaint against man who allegedly harassed her in Parliament House

Let’s just save time and assume that all female MPs and staffers have been harassed, and all male MPs and staffers have harassed someone.

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:08:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716854
Subject: re: Aust Politics

We all want justice but you got to have the money to buy it
You’d have to be a fool to close your eyes and deny it
There’s a lot of poor people who are walking the streets of my town
Too blind to see that justice is used to do them right down

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:10:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1716856
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


We all want justice but you got to have the money to buy it
You’d have to be a fool to close your eyes and deny it
There’s a lot of poor people who are walking the streets of my town
Too blind to see that justice is used to do them right down

woody?

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:11:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1716859
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

We all want justice but you got to have the money to buy it
You’d have to be a fool to close your eyes and deny it
There’s a lot of poor people who are walking the streets of my town
Too blind to see that justice is used to do them right down

woody?

alan price, o’lucky man.

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:16:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1716864
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

We all want justice but you got to have the money to buy it
You’d have to be a fool to close your eyes and deny it
There’s a lot of poor people who are walking the streets of my town
Too blind to see that justice is used to do them right down

woody?

alan price, o’lucky man.

ah.

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Date: 29/03/2021 10:24:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716869
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

There’s going to be a few more I hear.

Former Labor MP Kate Ellis leads group of female politicians lifting lid on ‘toxic workplace culture’ in Parliament House

Nationals MP Anne Webster lodges a complaint against man who allegedly harassed her in Parliament House

Let’s just save time and assume that all female MPs and staffers have been harassed, and all male MPs and staffers have harassed someone.

Maybe we should start again from scratch?

Looks like no amount of deep cleaning can fix the problem.

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Date: 29/03/2021 11:22:02
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716923
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bad times call for bold measures: 3 ways to fix the appalling treatment of women in our national parliament

1) They must understand this is not just a problem about men behaving badly or about women being victims of this behaviour. Rather, it is a problem arising from the operation of what I call a “gendered logic of appropriateness”. By this I mean there are deeply embedded norms of behaviour – in this case masculine norms – that become the accepted ways of acting within an organisation.

more…

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Date: 29/03/2021 11:22:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716924
Subject: re: Aust Politics

View from The Hill: Morrison should appoint stand-alone minister for women and boot Andrew Laming to crossbench

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Date: 29/03/2021 12:03:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1716943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Bad times call for bold measures: 3 ways to fix the appalling treatment of women in our national parliament

1) They must understand this is not just a problem about men behaving badly or about women being victims of this behaviour. Rather, it is a problem arising from the operation of what I call a “gendered logic of appropriateness”. By this I mean there are deeply embedded norms of behaviour – in this case masculine norms – that become the accepted ways of acting within an organisation.

more…

so what they’re saying is we’ve been blaming men, bad dirty violent men, for these problems but actually they’re the victims, they’re victims of a culture into which all genders, male, female, email, anything in between, have all bought into

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Date: 29/03/2021 12:09:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Bad times call for bold measures: 3 ways to fix the appalling treatment of women in our national parliament

1) They must understand this is not just a problem about men behaving badly or about women being victims of this behaviour. Rather, it is a problem arising from the operation of what I call a “gendered logic of appropriateness”. By this I mean there are deeply embedded norms of behaviour – in this case masculine norms – that become the accepted ways of acting within an organisation.

more…

so what they’re saying is we’ve been blaming men, bad dirty violent men, for these problems but actually they’re the victims, they’re victims of a culture into which all genders, male, female, email, anything in between, have all bought into

There is a gender grooming culture which needs to change, life education needs to teach consent, how to deal with rejection, jealousy, emotional awareness, government polices need to change. Media polices need to change. No More Alan Jones Types.

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Date: 29/03/2021 12:26:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1716957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:

No More Alan Jones Types.

As if Alan Jones is in a position to comment on relationships between men and women.

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Date: 29/03/2021 12:32:49
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Life education should teach something about relationships and human rights.

A Keltner List for relationships
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-12/15-questions-is-your-relationship-hall-of-fame-material/9422130

Consider each question and answer truthfully with a simple yes or no response:

1.Does your partner make you a better person, and do you do the same for them? 2.Are you and your partner both comfortable with sharing feelings, relying on each other, being close, and able to avoid worrying about the other person leaving? 3.Do you and your partner accept each other for who you are, without trying to change each other? 4.When disagreements arise, do you and your partner communicate respectfully and without contempt or negativity? 5.Do you and your partner share decision-making, power and influence in the relationship? 6.Is your partner your best friend, and are you theirs? 7.Do you and your partner think more in terms of “we” and “us”, rather than “you” and “I”? 8.Would you and your partner trust each other with the passwords to social media and bank accounts? 9.Do you and your partner have good opinions of each other — without having an overinflated positive view? 10.Do your close friends, as well as your partner’s, think you have a great relationship that will stand the test of time? 11.Is your relationship free of red flags like cheating, jealousy and controlling behaviour? 12.Do you and your partner share the same values when it comes to politics, religion, the importance of marriage, the desire to have kids (or not) and how to parent? 13.Are you and your partner willing to sacrifice your own needs, desires and goals for each other (without being a doormat)? 14.Do you and your partner both have agreeable and emotionally stable personalities? 15.Are you and your partner sexually compatible?

Human rights

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

Article 1

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11

1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Article 12

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 14

1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 15

1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 16

1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Article 17

1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Article 18

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21

1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23

1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Article 24

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25

1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Article 26

1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
Article 27

1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Article 28

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29

1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 30

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

===

They don’t teach these things so it’s no wonder about the bad behaviour.

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Date: 29/03/2021 12:37:21
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1716967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:
No More Alan Jones Types.

As if Alan Jones is in a position to comment on relationships between men and women.


He’s somewhat of an expert on London public toilets.

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Date: 29/03/2021 12:45:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1716970
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:
No More Alan Jones Types.

As if Alan Jones is in a position to comment on relationships between men and women.


He’s somewhat of an expert on London public toilets.

Did he publish it as a Coffee Table Book ?

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Date: 29/03/2021 12:49:13
From: Woodie
ID: 1716975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

As if Alan Jones is in a position to comment on relationships between men and women.


He’s somewhat of an expert on London public toilets.

Did he publish it as a Coffee Table Book ?

I don’t think he had publishing a book on his mind (or in his hand) while there, actually.

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Date: 29/03/2021 14:22:07
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1717009
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cabinet reshuffle
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/scott-morrison-reshuffles-cabinet-reynolds-porter-dutton/100035484

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Date: 29/03/2021 14:27:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717011
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Cabinet reshuffle
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/scott-morrison-reshuffles-cabinet-reynolds-porter-dutton/100035484

I’m not impressed.

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Date: 29/03/2021 14:56:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717040
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:04:51
From: transition
ID: 1717051
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

>Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

i’m not exactly sure the effect could be determined, quantified or whatever, but i’d guess it is real, the changes were in fact really big, bold also, with broader implications than just for Australia, potentially

that is one of the global forces I would assume wouldn’t be bothered by less effective government, liberal or labor, any, of the federal level in particular

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:10:50
From: Cymek
ID: 1717060
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I wonder if its against rules/etiquette (lets say fuck it) if women politicians could wear hidden body cams that record interactions with others and if something untoward is said its evidence for the media

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:14:13
From: party_pants
ID: 1717063
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


sarahs mum said:

Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

>Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

i’m not exactly sure the effect could be determined, quantified or whatever, but i’d guess it is real, the changes were in fact really big, bold also, with broader implications than just for Australia, potentially

that is one of the global forces I would assume wouldn’t be bothered by less effective government, liberal or labor, any, of the federal level in particular

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:16:08
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1717066
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

I wonder if a staffer were to do the same thing, that is harass woman online whilst at work, using govt IT hardware, or indeed take an inappropriate photo of a person; if they would be allowed to keep their job… I can only assume that they would.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:17:58
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1717068
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

>Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

i’m not exactly sure the effect could be determined, quantified or whatever, but i’d guess it is real, the changes were in fact really big, bold also, with broader implications than just for Australia, potentially

that is one of the global forces I would assume wouldn’t be bothered by less effective government, liberal or labor, any, of the federal level in particular

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

well I mean it would solve one problem, but it certainly wouldn’t necessarily the root cause.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:20:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717070
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


sarahs mum said:

Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

I wonder if a staffer were to do the same thing, that is harass woman online whilst at work, using govt IT hardware, or indeed take an inappropriate photo of a person; if they would be allowed to keep their job… I can only assume that they would.

I presume that if someone sat in a business meeting and spent the time on their phone trolling they would be given the boot.

(I am not over what Laming said on the Say no Seven anti-indue site while he was sitting on the floor of the house.)

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:22:19
From: Arts
ID: 1717072
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

>Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

i’m not exactly sure the effect could be determined, quantified or whatever, but i’d guess it is real, the changes were in fact really big, bold also, with broader implications than just for Australia, potentially

that is one of the global forces I would assume wouldn’t be bothered by less effective government, liberal or labor, any, of the federal level in particular

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

well said.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:23:46
From: Cymek
ID: 1717074
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


sarahs mum said:

Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

I wonder if a staffer were to do the same thing, that is harass woman online whilst at work, using govt IT hardware, or indeed take an inappropriate photo of a person; if they would be allowed to keep their job… I can only assume that they would.

Could face disciplinary hearing for misuse of computer system and if criminal faces charges in court

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:24:32
From: Woodie
ID: 1717075
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

Laming was trolling the anti-Indue facebook group while he was sitting in the house. in some businesses he would have lost his job for just that.

>Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

i’m not exactly sure the effect could be determined, quantified or whatever, but i’d guess it is real, the changes were in fact really big, bold also, with broader implications than just for Australia, potentially

that is one of the global forces I would assume wouldn’t be bothered by less effective government, liberal or labor, any, of the federal level in particular

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

I assure you, I’d be shown the door pretty quick smart without a narry or how’d ya do, if I got sprung stuffing around on Facebook all the time while in a meetings. Be the meeting about whether to have blueberry or chocolate muffins on the table for morning tea, or a meeting that’s purportedly about running the country.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:37:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717095
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


party_pants said:

transition said:

>Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

i’m not exactly sure the effect could be determined, quantified or whatever, but i’d guess it is real, the changes were in fact really big, bold also, with broader implications than just for Australia, potentially

that is one of the global forces I would assume wouldn’t be bothered by less effective government, liberal or labor, any, of the federal level in particular

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

well said.

pfffffft c’m‘on everyone knows that it’s alcohol that turns people into racists / sexists / ablists / wtfists / bigoted blastopores

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:38:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717096
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This comment from my facebook.

>>Peter Gutwien should be ashamed at the opportunistic tactic calling an election one year early when his opponent Rebecca White is soon to be giving birth.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:41:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717101
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


This comment from my facebook.

>>Peter Gutwien should be ashamed at the opportunistic tactic calling an election one year early when his opponent Rebecca White is soon to be giving birth.

is it true

and surely in the scheme of things this is not a strong argument

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:46:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717106
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

This comment from my facebook.

>>Peter Gutwien should be ashamed at the opportunistic tactic calling an election one year early when his opponent Rebecca White is soon to be giving birth.

is it true

and surely in the scheme of things this is not a strong argument

8/2/2021 · Local News. Labor leader Rebecca White has announced over Twitter she is expecting her second child in June

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:54:54
From: party_pants
ID: 1717107
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Does anyone know when the official results of the WA election will be announced. The WA electoral commission website does not seem to have updated for a week, and there is no indication of seats won in the Upper House.

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Date: 29/03/2021 15:56:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717110
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

This comment from my facebook.

>>Peter Gutwien should be ashamed at the opportunistic tactic calling an election one year early when his opponent Rebecca White is soon to be giving birth.

is it true

and surely in the scheme of things this is not a strong argument

8/2/2021 · Local News. Labor leader Rebecca White has announced over Twitter she is expecting her second child in June

On the other hand maybe he is going early in case Rebecca White gets votes for job performance with a baby in tow…

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Date: 29/03/2021 16:28:38
From: transition
ID: 1717136
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Arts said:

party_pants said:

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

well said.

pfffffft c’m‘on everyone knows that it’s alcohol that turns people into racists / sexists / ablists / wtfists / bigoted blastopores

certainly alcohol contributes to intoxication, not much evidence it raises IQ, or even preserves it, fairly much a chemical lobotomy, temporary if not done too often. No mystery why drunks are kept off the roads, and apparently it doesn’t just impair driving performance

but anyway I was more pointing to the changes like what news anyone can drop into their insert name of popular social media platform, that’s a huge change to many millions of client agreements with the platform, a massive change, and it didn’t make the government a lot of friends, it was unwanted more than wanted across the broad demographic if you will, an incursion into casual liberties that way

one of the troubles with social media is the response times it lends to, or even invites, some things which a person might think about for days or years to resolve some intelligent ideas about and suddenly by way of social media magic people become geniuses with lightning-fast answers, and pithy too, so pithy, somewhere quick and pithy became the way truths are delivered

of course some fail to even be pithy clever, run out of material, through some poverty, and it turns nasty

but it could be a modern crisis, people running out of original material, their own, I think a lot of stuff in media is evidence of many people running out of original material, a poverty of experience in the physical world really, their own experience, then they’re inclined to get something else secondhand and worse via media

like i’m writing this shit here, instead of doing other stuff. The other stuff has a limited social dimension, and it’s sane to limit the social dimension, necessary, practical, essential to function properly, but the new world of digital media doesn’t convey that

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Date: 29/03/2021 16:43:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1717139
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

well said.

pfffffft c’m‘on everyone knows that it’s alcohol that turns people into racists / sexists / ablists / wtfists / bigoted blastopores

certainly alcohol contributes to intoxication, not much evidence it raises IQ, or even preserves it, fairly much a chemical lobotomy, temporary if not done too often. No mystery why drunks are kept off the roads, and apparently it doesn’t just impair driving performance

but anyway I was more pointing to the changes like what news anyone can drop into their insert name of popular social media platform, that’s a huge change to many millions of client agreements with the platform, a massive change, and it didn’t make the government a lot of friends, it was unwanted more than wanted across the broad demographic if you will, an incursion into casual liberties that way

one of the troubles with social media is the response times it lends to, or even invites, some things which a person might think about for days or years to resolve some intelligent ideas about and suddenly by way of social media magic people become geniuses with lightning-fast answers, and pithy too, so pithy, somewhere quick and pithy became the way truths are delivered

of course some fail to even be pithy clever, run out of material, through some poverty, and it turns nasty

but it could be a modern crisis, people running out of original material, their own, I think a lot of stuff in media is evidence of many people running out of original material, a poverty of experience in the physical world really, their own experience, then they’re inclined to get something else secondhand and worse via media

like i’m writing this shit here, instead of doing other stuff. The other stuff has a limited social dimension, and it’s sane to limit the social dimension, necessary, practical, essential to function properly, but the new world of digital media doesn’t convey that

Pollies use it to garner some votes as well I imagine, people that are impressed they can twitter some bullocks that appeals to them.
I find the political twitter accounts so unprofessional I mean Trump was the text book example of that, the nonsense he spewed out and I only saw the bits that were used elsewhere.

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:03:22
From: dv
ID: 1717147
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


party_pants said:

transition said:

>Pm blames social media again…says he has come down harder on social media protocols than any other government….

i’m not exactly sure the effect could be determined, quantified or whatever, but i’d guess it is real, the changes were in fact really big, bold also, with broader implications than just for Australia, potentially

that is one of the global forces I would assume wouldn’t be bothered by less effective government, liberal or labor, any, of the federal level in particular

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

well I mean it would solve one problem, but it certainly wouldn’t necessarily the root cause.

I mean you could ban social media and alcohol and it would not have changed Laming’s behaviour…

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:33:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717158
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

It is not really social media that is the problem here, it is being an arsehole. Being an arsehole on social media is just an extension of being an arsehole generally. The solution to being an arsehole on social media is not to be found in creating restrictive social media protocols.

well I mean it would solve one problem, but it certainly wouldn’t necessarily the root cause.

I mean you could ban social media and alcohol and it would not have changed Laming’s behaviour…

Specially if the problem is coke.

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:36:21
From: Cymek
ID: 1717159
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Parliamentary privilege could be revoked so you face the consequences and get shot in the forehead by Murtaugh

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:40:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1717161
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This doesn’t seem good.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/sa-government-websites-could-be-gathering-personal-data/100030314

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:40:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717162
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Parliamentary privilege could be revoked so you face the consequences and get shot in the forehead by Murtaugh

Yes, get rid of it.

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:46:54
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


This doesn’t seem good.

  • The ABC has identified state government links being redirected through a domain operated by the Liberal Party
  • A campaign expert says it is not ‘typical’ behaviour
  • Premier Steven Marshall says he is not aware of the redirection through the platform NationBuilder

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/sa-government-websites-could-be-gathering-personal-data/100030314

Agree.

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:55:06
From: dv
ID: 1717166
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 29/03/2021 17:57:23
From: dv
ID: 1717168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

Parliamentary privilege could be revoked so you face the consequences and get shot in the forehead by Murtaugh

Yes, get rid of it.

Twas under Parliamentary Priv that the information on Abetz came to light

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:04:21
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Buzzfeed put together a list.

19 Times When Men In Politics Utterly Failed The Women Of Australia

Remember in 2013, when Tony Abbott appointed himself as the Minister for Women and we didn’t think it could get any worse?

More…

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:13:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Buzzfeed put together a list.

19 Times When Men In Politics Utterly Failed The Women Of Australia

Remember in 2013, when Tony Abbott appointed himself as the Minister for Women and we didn’t think it could get any worse?

More…

It’s so bad. And it just keeps on going.

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:22:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717189
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Good morning gentlemen welcome to Coalition government MP empathy training
First Dog on the Moon
First Dog on the Moon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/29/good-morning-gentlemen-welcome-to-coalition-government-mp-empathy-training

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:29:53
From: ruby
ID: 1717191
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


This doesn’t seem good.

  • The ABC has identified state government links being redirected through a domain operated by the Liberal Party
  • A campaign expert says it is not ‘typical’ behaviour
  • Premier Steven Marshall says he is not aware of the redirection through the platform NationBuilder

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/sa-government-websites-could-be-gathering-personal-data/100030314

Crikey. Definitely not good. I’m sure the wet lettuce will be called for.

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:31:02
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717192
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Buzzfeed put together a list.

19 Times When Men In Politics Utterly Failed The Women Of Australia

Remember in 2013, when Tony Abbott appointed himself as the Minister for Women and we didn’t think it could get any worse?

More…

It’s so bad. And it just keeps on going.

Yes, that’s the tip of the iceberg.

It highlights bad male behaviour.

Too much of it.

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:37:18
From: dv
ID: 1717195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Look on the bright side…

Dutton is out of Home Affairs.

Replaced by a mechanical engineer

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:38:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717197
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Look on the bright side…

Dutton is out of Home Affairs.

Replaced by a mechanical engineer

Dutton gets defence and Reynolds gets to gut the NDIS.

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Date: 29/03/2021 18:51:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717200
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Michael V said:

This doesn’t seem good.

  • The ABC has identified state government links being redirected through a domain operated by the Liberal Party
  • A campaign expert says it is not ‘typical’ behaviour
  • Premier Steven Marshall says he is not aware of the redirection through the platform NationBuilder

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/sa-government-websites-could-be-gathering-personal-data/100030314

Agree.

that black hole tunnelling shit was probably set up by CHINESE HACKERS and they’ve framed the Liberal party as well this is serious

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Date: 29/03/2021 19:00:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717203
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Chinese hackers have been very busy recently.

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Date: 29/03/2021 19:25:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1717221
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/29/good-morning-gentlemen-welcome-to-coalition-government-mp-empathy-training

I would have laughed.

Except that i feel that it’s just how it’s going to be.

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Date: 29/03/2021 19:26:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717222
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/29/good-morning-gentlemen-welcome-to-coalition-government-mp-empathy-training

I would have laughed.

Except that i feel that it’s just how it’s going to be.

*nods

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Date: 29/03/2021 19:28:11
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717223
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/29/good-morning-gentlemen-welcome-to-coalition-government-mp-empathy-training

I would have laughed.

Except that i feel that it’s just how it’s going to be.

The list of what they should actually be trained, is way longer than one.

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Date: 29/03/2021 19:58:12
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717239
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/29/good-morning-gentlemen-welcome-to-coalition-government-mp-empathy-training

I would have laughed.

Except that i feel that it’s just how it’s going to be.

*nods

i see they get a certificate, thought they might. Just like doing a resume course for a service provider.

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Date: 29/03/2021 20:56:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717295
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/29/2021/1616993034/trading-places

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Date: 29/03/2021 21:01:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717300
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/29/2021/1616993034/trading-places

Porter as minister for industry, SCIENCE and technology

not our minister, no, fuck off

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Date: 29/03/2021 21:12:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

What I saw was an incredibly hardworking employee who was simply kneeling in normal work attire and stacking a fridge with an impossible amount of soft drink cans … That was my goal, was to show a challenging work situation. The photograph was of her in a completely dignified position, in no way compromised, doing a very hard job well in full view of every customer

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Date: 30/03/2021 00:38:24
From: dv
ID: 1717394
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 30/03/2021 07:45:38
From: buffy
ID: 1717413
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-30/scott-morrison-reshuffle-women-ministers-michelle-grattan/100037044

Michelle Grattan.

This reshuffle of the cabinet is quite “reactive” – my comment.

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Date: 30/03/2021 07:57:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1717414
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-30/scott-morrison-reshuffle-women-ministers-michelle-grattan/100037044

Michelle Grattan.

This reshuffle of the cabinet is quite “reactive” – my comment.

Knee jerk.

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Date: 30/03/2021 08:57:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717417
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-30/scott-morrison-reshuffle-women-ministers-michelle-grattan/100037044

Michelle Grattan.

This reshuffle of the cabinet is quite “reactive” – my comment.

Knee jerk.

p(da/dt)ella

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:19:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717427
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Anything For The Economy Must Grow Even Adani

Adani Searching For Its Own Heavenlypeacegate Moment

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-30/queensland-adani-ports-myanmar-military-deal/100032156

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:28:20
From: dv
ID: 1717433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-30/scott-morrison-reshuffle-women-ministers-michelle-grattan/100037044

Michelle Grattan.

This reshuffle of the cabinet is quite “reactive” – my comment.

Knee jerk.

p(da/dt)ella

clever

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:30:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1717435
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Knee jerk.

p(da/dt)ella

clever

Don’t encourage the jerk.

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:31:05
From: dv
ID: 1717437
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So is the ALP providing pairs for all these malingering sex pests?

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:32:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1717440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


So is the ALP providing pairs for all these malingering sex pests?

No.

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:32:48
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1717441
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

So is the ALP providing pairs for all these malingering sex pests?

No.

Parliament isn’t sitting again til May.

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:33:00
From: dv
ID: 1717442
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

So is the ALP providing pairs for all these malingering sex pests?

No.

tfft

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:37:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717443
Subject: re: Aust Politics

speaking of being guilty of influence campaigns and hacking and just generally fucking up Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-29/sa-government-websites-could-be-gathering-personal-data/100030314

The South Australian government has admitted it has been redirecting web users looking at official government links through a data-harvesting platform.

100 examples of state government links redirecting users through “stateliberalleader.nationbuilder.com” – a domain operated by the SA Liberal Party. The links can be found on media releases and across parts of the SA COVID–19 website, as well as on other state government department-run sites

NationBuilder is a powerful, internationally-renowned data harvesting company and campaign tool based in California. It has been used by the likes of the Trump campaign, by both sides ahead of the UK’s Brexit vote, and by the New Zealand Labour Party. The service’s website says it is, and always has been, a “non-partisan”* platform.

*: AKA mercenary

Campaign consultant Daniel Stone said any crossover between the two was “concerning”. “With what the SA Premier’s office is doing here, you would like to think that it’s an administrative oversight,” Mr Stone said. “Are they using it? We can’t confidently say. Do they have the capacity to use it? Absolutely.”

oh we don’t know, overtly redirecting links, it was probably an accident, nah, this is almost certainly an accident

an accident amenable to the Marketing defence, i don’t know, i don’t code a script, mate

But when asked on Monday why web users were being redirected through the Liberal Party’s NationBuilder domain when accessing official state government information, Premier Steven Marshall repeatedly said he “did not know” anything about the matter. “I don’t know specifically what you’re referring to,” he said. Mr Marshall said he was not aware of the redirection through NationBuilder, and that it was a “matter for the Liberal Party”. In the subsequent statement, the government spokesperson said the Premier’s office had “never sought to include links to NationBuilder in government websites”. “It appears that when media release text has been copied by government employees to government websites, this has accidentally occurred,” the spokesperson said.

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:42:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

…He insisted the photo he’d taken showing a woman’s underwear was “completely dignified” — a working woman “kneeling in an awkward position, and filling a fridge with an impossible amount of stock, which clearly wasn’t going to fit in the fridge”….

KFC

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Date: 30/03/2021 09:52:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717452
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“We have a government expanding the capital growth for private schools when public schools get demountables,” he said. “They say the modern demountable cannot be compared with the demountable of yesteryear.

“If they’re so good, why don’t you lease them to private schools as opposed to increasing their capital funding?”

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Date: 30/03/2021 10:03:26
From: Michael V
ID: 1717459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Knee jerk.

p(da/dt)ella

clever

I agree.

:)

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Date: 30/03/2021 10:03:59
From: Michael V
ID: 1717460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

SCIENCE said:

p(da/dt)ella

clever

Don’t encourage the jerk.

LOL

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Date: 30/03/2021 10:04:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1717461
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Or if you’re like me, just don’t get a dog.

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Date: 30/03/2021 10:04:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1717462
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Or if you’re like me, just don’t get a dog.

But do try to post in the right thread.

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Date: 30/03/2021 10:08:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717465
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

clever

Don’t encourage the jerk.

LOL

or other derivative works

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Date: 30/03/2021 10:33:22
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1717489
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 30/03/2021 10:46:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1717500
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



Fair call!

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:25:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717628
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Was sent this. Have yet to find article.

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:29:20
From: Cymek
ID: 1717633
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


Has he been living in a cave or under a rock for the last few thousand years

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:30:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1717634
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


I didn’t know that Greg Sheridan was a satirist.

(Do you really want to find the article?)

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:30:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1717635
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


Lol. The problem is within a group who are mostly professing christians, and many went to elite private schools that supposedly teach christian values. The christian values seem to be lacking in providing a sufficient level of personal respect and dignity towards others. Maybe they should be forced to study humanism and secular ethics.

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:34:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1717637
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


Lol. The problem is within a group who are mostly professing christians, and many went to elite private schools that supposedly teach christian values. The christian values seem to be lacking in providing a sufficient level of personal respect and dignity towards others. Maybe they should be forced to study humanism and secular ethics.

It does seem a little strange, the more devoted and extreme the brand of Christianity, the further their actual practice seems to be from what the guy actually preached.

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:35:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717639
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


I didn’t know that Greg Sheridan was a satirist.

(Do you really want to find the article?)

Yeah. You’re right. I’m probably good.

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:36:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1717641
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


Lol. The problem is within a group who are mostly professing christians, and many went to elite private schools that supposedly teach christian values. The christian values seem to be lacking in providing a sufficient level of personal respect and dignity towards others. Maybe they should be forced to study humanism and secular ethics.

It does seem a little strange, the more devoted and extreme the brand of Christianity, the further their actual practice seems to be from what the guy actually preached.

Plus they don’t even realise it

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:40:36
From: party_pants
ID: 1717644
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


Lol. The problem is within a group who are mostly professing christians, and many went to elite private schools that supposedly teach christian values. The christian values seem to be lacking in providing a sufficient level of personal respect and dignity towards others. Maybe they should be forced to study humanism and secular ethics.

It does seem a little strange, the more devoted and extreme the brand of Christianity, the further their actual practice seems to be from what the guy actually preached.

Yeah. I have commented on this before. Generally morality has been allowed to lapse and has been replaced with a very strict sexual morality in the general evangelical movement. The sexual morality seems to apply to men and women differently, it is OK for men to have a fling with women not of their group and treat them like shit.

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:44:05
From: Cymek
ID: 1717645
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Lol. The problem is within a group who are mostly professing christians, and many went to elite private schools that supposedly teach christian values. The christian values seem to be lacking in providing a sufficient level of personal respect and dignity towards others. Maybe they should be forced to study humanism and secular ethics.

It does seem a little strange, the more devoted and extreme the brand of Christianity, the further their actual practice seems to be from what the guy actually preached.

Yeah. I have commented on this before. Generally morality has been allowed to lapse and has been replaced with a very strict sexual morality in the general evangelical movement. The sexual morality seems to apply to men and women differently, it is OK for men to have a fling with women not of their group and treat them like shit.

Often those the loudest about sin are guilty of all manner of sins behind closed doors.
They also have contradictory behaviour about the sanctity of life

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Date: 30/03/2021 14:46:14
From: party_pants
ID: 1717646
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It does seem a little strange, the more devoted and extreme the brand of Christianity, the further their actual practice seems to be from what the guy actually preached.

Yeah. I have commented on this before. Generally morality has been allowed to lapse and has been replaced with a very strict sexual morality in the general evangelical movement. The sexual morality seems to apply to men and women differently, it is OK for men to have a fling with women not of their group and treat them like shit.

Often those the loudest about sin are guilty of all manner of sins behind closed doors.
They also have contradictory behaviour about the sanctity of life

Yeah, that too. It is also hard to see why these have become joined with ‘fuck the poor” right wing economic politics.

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Date: 30/03/2021 15:15:51
From: transition
ID: 1717649
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Was sent this. Have yet to find article.


I didn’t know that Greg Sheridan was a satirist.

(Do you really want to find the article?)

Yeah. You’re right. I’m probably good.

watching that below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npBqC-vV-XI
Greg Sheridan: Is God Good for You?

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Date: 30/03/2021 15:22:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1717651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I didn’t know that Greg Sheridan was a satirist.

(Do you really want to find the article?)

Yeah. You’re right. I’m probably good.

watching that below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npBqC-vV-XI
Greg Sheridan: Is God Good for You?

First Binge result on that:

https://dailyreview.com.au/need-talk-god-not-like/#:~:text=Greg%20Sheridan%20says%2C%20in%20his%20book%20God%20Is,claiming%20that%20people%E2%80%99s%20faith%20is%20primitive%20and%20superstitious%E2%80%9D.

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Date: 30/03/2021 17:05:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717697
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

all these malingering sex pests?

how’s this for a take though

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/false-rape-allegations-myths/13281852

Guys, you can stop worrying about false rape allegations. They’re extremely rare

The estimates vary a little across studies, but the most commonly cited figure is that around 5 per cent of reports are false, according to criminologist Dr Bianca Fileborn, from the University of Melbourne.

And the idea that someone might make up an allegation to ‘get back’ at someone?

“How true is that, when most of these cases aren’t being reported and even for those that are reported, something like 2 per cent end up with a successful conviction,” said Dr Fileborn.

“So is that worth the payoff? It’s illogical to suggest that survivors are somehow getting some benefit from from making a false report – it’s completely odds with what we know about the reality of reporting and disclosing sexual violence.”

we mean, COVID-19 kills 1%, and that’s merely the chance of a successful death

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Date: 30/03/2021 18:54:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717754
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Young Libs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KW1TxL4uCk

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Date: 30/03/2021 18:59:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717758
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Young Libs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KW1TxL4uCk

Is that the Liberals having sex on the desk video ?

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Date: 30/03/2021 19:00:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1717761
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


JudgeMental said:

Young Libs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KW1TxL4uCk

Is that the Liberals having sex on the desk video ?

I’m scared to look.

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Date: 30/03/2021 19:05:10
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717762
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

JudgeMental said:

Young Libs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KW1TxL4uCk

Is that the Liberals having sex on the desk video ?

I’m scared to look.

Sex on the desk

Kind of rhythms

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Date: 30/03/2021 19:34:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717780
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/i-would-kill-to-be-sexually-harassed-at-the-moment-liberal-teena-mcqueen-stuns-colleagues-in-closed-door-meeting-20210329-p57evv.html

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Date: 30/03/2021 19:37:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717783
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Young Libs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KW1TxL4uCk

:(

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Date: 30/03/2021 19:48:33
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717791
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/i-would-kill-to-be-sexually-harassed-at-the-moment-liberal-teena-mcqueen-stuns-colleagues-in-closed-door-meeting-20210329-p57evv.html

Another idiot.

Could start an idiot list.

It would end up being a very long list.

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Date: 30/03/2021 19:54:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717796
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

Young Libs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KW1TxL4uCk

:(

it linked to this https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/train-wreck-tv-q-and-a-features-worst-panellist-in-show-s-history-20190326-p517i9.html

but anyway wasn’t there something earlier about not just men being to blame

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:09:22
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1717847
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Nationals MP Michael Johnsen exchanged lewd messages with sex worker during NSW Question Time

Mr Johnsen was on a parliamentary ethical standards committee which conducted a review of the code of conduct for NSW MPs in 2018.

The code, first adopted in 1998, states members must “maintain the public trust placed in them by performing their duties with honesty and integrity, respecting the law and the institutions of parliament”.

Johnsen helped review MP code requiring ‘respect for the institutions of Parliament’

NSW Nationals MP Michael Johnsen offered a sex worker $1,000 to attend state Parliament for sex and sent the woman a string of lewd text messages and an obscene video while Parliament was sitting, an ABC investigation can reveal.

This morning, NSW Nationals leader John Barilaro called for Mr Johnsen to resign from Parliament for his “disgusting behaviour”.

Mr Johnsen has strenuously denied allegations made in NSW Parliament this week that he sexually assaulted the woman at a lookout in the Blue Mountains in September, 2019.

The NSW Police Sex Crimes Squad is investigating the alleged sexual assault and are yet to decide whether to lay charges.

More…

Gee Skippy, this is getting to be a daily thing now.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:14:17
From: furious
ID: 1717851
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Nationals MP Michael Johnsen exchanged lewd messages with sex worker during NSW Question Time

Mr Johnsen was on a parliamentary ethical standards committee which conducted a review of the code of conduct for NSW MPs in 2018.

The code, first adopted in 1998, states members must “maintain the public trust placed in them by performing their duties with honesty and integrity, respecting the law and the institutions of parliament”.

Johnsen helped review MP code requiring ‘respect for the institutions of Parliament’

NSW Nationals MP Michael Johnsen offered a sex worker $1,000 to attend state Parliament for sex and sent the woman a string of lewd text messages and an obscene video while Parliament was sitting, an ABC investigation can reveal.

This morning, NSW Nationals leader John Barilaro called for Mr Johnsen to resign from Parliament for his “disgusting behaviour”.

Mr Johnsen has strenuously denied allegations made in NSW Parliament this week that he sexually assaulted the woman at a lookout in the Blue Mountains in September, 2019.

The NSW Police Sex Crimes Squad is investigating the alleged sexual assault and are yet to decide whether to lay charges.

More…

Gee Skippy, this is getting to be a daily thing now.

And yet…


A union has sensationally broken ties with NSW Labor, saying the party is ‘unelectable’ and not worth spending money on.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:17:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717853
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The West report says that Laming has also been trolling homeless charities too.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:25:32
From: party_pants
ID: 1717854
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The West report says that Laming has also been trolling homeless charities too.

what for?

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:26:46
From: Rule 303
ID: 1717855
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

The West report says that Laming has also been trolling homeless charities too.

what for?

Just in case there was any doubt he’s a cunt of a bloke.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:34:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717857
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

The West report says that Laming has also been trolling homeless charities too.

what for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TnXaAAKgrM

Can’t read the fine print.

When he was on the Anti Indue group it was about how people on Austudy don’t need cash at all/they only buy alcohol and drugs/second hand furniture? he couldn’t be convinced people on austudy all wanted an Edwardian desk anyway. He was just being a trolling ass.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:35:51
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717858
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

The West report says that Laming has also been trolling homeless charities too.

what for?

Just in case there was any doubt he’s a cunt of a bloke.

hunting out the weak for a kicking…

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:42:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717859
Subject: re: Aust Politics

‘This addiction to lockdowns has to end!’ Alan Jones.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:44:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1717860
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

what for?

Just in case there was any doubt he’s a cunt of a bloke.

hunting out the weak for a kicking…

Rupert probably already has him lined up for a post-parliamentary career as an opinion columnist/ talking head etc.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:46:47
From: Rule 303
ID: 1717861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Report labels NSW government grants program a brazen pork-barrel scheme

Link opens ABC web article.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:49:30
From: furious
ID: 1717862
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

Just in case there was any doubt he’s a cunt of a bloke.

hunting out the weak for a kicking…

Rupert probably already has him lined up for a post-parliamentary career as an opinion columnist/ talking head etc.

That radio guy from SA probably just beat him to a job…

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:57:11
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717863
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/mar/30/scott-morrison-is-losing-the-women-of-australia-at-a-giddying-rate

The club that proudly posted the image on social media did not even see the woman on the margins: it wasn’t until she raised her voice, momentarily, that the context of what we were seeing was obvious. Women are waiting for action, while too many men are carrying on as if it’s all a passing show.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:57:37
From: sibeen
ID: 1717864
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


‘This addiction to lockdowns has to end!’ Alan Jones.

Goog ol’ Alan, eh.

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Date: 30/03/2021 22:59:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717865
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

‘This addiction to lockdowns has to end!’ Alan Jones.

Goog ol’ Alan, eh.

who?

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:01:33
From: party_pants
ID: 1717866
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


‘This addiction to lockdowns has to end!’ Alan Jones.

There is hardly an addiction going on.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:04:13
From: Rule 303
ID: 1717867
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

‘This addiction to lockdowns has to end!’ Alan Jones.

There is hardly an addiction going on.

Nothing Alan Jones says is true.

Not one damn word.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:05:13
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717868
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

‘This addiction to lockdowns has to end!’ Alan Jones.

There is hardly an addiction going on.

I don’t know about that. the eastern states seem to be taking it in turns to have a lockdown.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:05:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1717869
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

‘This addiction to lockdowns has to end!’ Alan Jones.

There is hardly an addiction going on.

Nothing Alan Jones says is true.

Not one damn word.

I have long ago crossed his name off the list of people worth listening to.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:08:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1717870
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Jonesy wants to see covid cadavers on slabs, loads and loads of them, NOW!

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:10:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1717871
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

There is hardly an addiction going on.

Nothing Alan Jones says is true.

Not one damn word.

I have long ago crossed his name off the list of people worth listening to.

do we get any of those “shock” jocks over here on our radio? I only listen to the local station, abc am and abc classic.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:11:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717872
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Rule 303 said:

party_pants said:

There is hardly an addiction going on.

Nothing Alan Jones says is true.

Not one damn word.

I have long ago crossed his name off the list of people worth listening to.

I posted the headline. But I didn’t click.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:12:33
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1717873
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Nothing Alan Jones says is true.

Not one damn word.

I have long ago crossed his name off the list of people worth listening to.

do we get any of those “shock” jocks over here on our radio? I only listen to the local station, abc am and abc classic.

It was a sky news story on youtube.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:14:43
From: Arts
ID: 1717874
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Nothing Alan Jones says is true.

Not one damn word.

I have long ago crossed his name off the list of people worth listening to.

do we get any of those “shock” jocks over here on our radio? I only listen to the local station, abc am and abc classic.

all the shock jocks morphed into one super shock jock, with no boundaries or iota of reason to their comments, and that is Alan Jones

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:29:37
From: party_pants
ID: 1717875
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Nothing Alan Jones says is true.

Not one damn word.

I have long ago crossed his name off the list of people worth listening to.

do we get any of those “shock” jocks over here on our radio? I only listen to the local station, abc am and abc classic.

Only Basil, but he’s just a try-hard knobber.

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Date: 30/03/2021 23:54:01
From: transition
ID: 1717883
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/mar/30/scott-morrison-is-losing-the-women-of-australia-at-a-giddying-rate

The club that proudly posted the image on social media did not even see the woman on the margins: it wasn’t until she raised her voice, momentarily, that the context of what we were seeing was obvious. Women are waiting for action, while too many men are carrying on as if it’s all a passing show.

i’d expect many male specimens when asked do you approve or disapprove of the job scott morrison is doing as prime minister? might be inclined to answer the question as if of broader performance, including perhaps even things not entirely related to and possibly not at all related to male dominance, and oppression of the fairer sex

I mean overseeing the administration of various things across the country, a fairly large country, well the country has no gender really, so there’s still all that, some reality outside gender, beyond gender

while i’m at it, does Australia sound like a bloke? Might be a good question for a survey

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Date: 31/03/2021 00:02:57
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1717886
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/mar/30/scott-morrison-is-losing-the-women-of-australia-at-a-giddying-rate

The club that proudly posted the image on social media did not even see the woman on the margins: it wasn’t until she raised her voice, momentarily, that the context of what we were seeing was obvious. Women are waiting for action, while too many men are carrying on as if it’s all a passing show.

i’d expect many male specimens when asked do you approve or disapprove of the job scott morrison is doing as prime minister? might be inclined to answer the question as if of broader performance, including perhaps even things not entirely related to and possibly not at all related to male dominance, and oppression of the fairer sex

I mean overseeing the administration of various things across the country, a fairly large country, well the country has no gender really, so there’s still all that, some reality outside gender, beyond gender

while i’m at it, does Australia sound like a bloke? Might be a good question for a survey

Why attribute it to men generally when you’re really just expressing your own personal opinion?

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Date: 31/03/2021 00:10:40
From: transition
ID: 1717900
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/mar/30/scott-morrison-is-losing-the-women-of-australia-at-a-giddying-rate

The club that proudly posted the image on social media did not even see the woman on the margins: it wasn’t until she raised her voice, momentarily, that the context of what we were seeing was obvious. Women are waiting for action, while too many men are carrying on as if it’s all a passing show.

i’d expect many male specimens when asked do you approve or disapprove of the job scott morrison is doing as prime minister? might be inclined to answer the question as if of broader performance, including perhaps even things not entirely related to and possibly not at all related to male dominance, and oppression of the fairer sex

I mean overseeing the administration of various things across the country, a fairly large country, well the country has no gender really, so there’s still all that, some reality outside gender, beyond gender

while i’m at it, does Australia sound like a bloke? Might be a good question for a survey

Why attribute it to men generally when you’re really just expressing your own personal opinion?

you’ll need clarify, it’s a given anything I say is an opinion, just speculation even, open musings, soliloquy, whatever

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Date: 31/03/2021 01:27:24
From: dv
ID: 1717912
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I mean his general performance has been shit too

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Date: 31/03/2021 07:07:45
From: transition
ID: 1717922
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I mean his general performance has been shit too

you ever noticed how the stars emerge when the sun goes down, and disappear when the sun rises, and how going into twilight end of the day terrestrial objects become silhouettes within the ambient light, and silhouetted objects become illuminated coming out of twilight in the morning

today more people demand a constant light nearby, that everything be illuminated, consequently there’s less attention given to what actually makes viewing the stars and fainter stars possible, and silhouettes are less inclined to be accepted as a natural state, and people are perhaps less inclined to appreciate what low levels of illumination might be good for

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Date: 31/03/2021 07:16:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1717923
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

I mean his general performance has been shit too

you ever noticed how the stars emerge when the sun goes down, and disappear when the sun rises, and how going into twilight end of the day terrestrial objects become silhouettes within the ambient light, and silhouetted objects become illuminated coming out of twilight in the morning

today more people demand a constant light nearby, that everything be illuminated, consequently there’s less attention given to what actually makes viewing the stars and fainter stars possible, and silhouettes are less inclined to be accepted as a natural state, and people are perhaps less inclined to appreciate what low levels of illumination might be good for

you mean bullshit drowns out the diversity of illuminants out there

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Date: 31/03/2021 08:41:53
From: buffy
ID: 1717936
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

Just in case there was any doubt he’s a cunt of a bloke.

hunting out the weak for a kicking…

Rupert probably already has him lined up for a post-parliamentary career as an opinion columnist/ talking head etc.

He’s got another career. He’s an ophthalmologist. Personally I wouldn’t want someone doing surgery on my eyes who wasn’t doing a lot of it. And I checked at AHPRA and he is registered. To be registered you are required to work for 4 full time weeks in a year (currency of practice) and to comply with the required continuing education of 50 hours a year. So he has either been doing that – or at least signing the declaration to say he is doing that. You can be audited on it. Apparently he was also involved in the outback trachoma eradication plans years ago. Which is a Good Thing. But he’s been in parliament a long time now.

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Date: 31/03/2021 08:47:30
From: buffy
ID: 1717937
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Hmm, lost the subject of that last post. It was about Laming.

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Date: 31/03/2021 09:38:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1717946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

I have long ago crossed his name off the list of people worth listening to.

do we get any of those “shock” jocks over here on our radio? I only listen to the local station, abc am and abc classic.

all the shock jocks morphed into one super shock jock, with no boundaries or iota of reason to their comments, and that is Alan Jones

It is hard enough talking to the people that listen to him and his ilk.

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Date: 31/03/2021 11:42:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1718010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

More instances of this found…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/sa-government-web-links-redirecting-users-through-liberal-linked/100038990

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Date: 31/03/2021 11:51:49
From: Michael V
ID: 1718013
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/tas-liberal-party-defends-anti-lockdown-candidate-selection/100038860

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Date: 31/03/2021 12:32:32
From: Michael V
ID: 1718041
Subject: re: Aust Politics

NSW Upper House MP Michael Johnsen, who is accused of raping a sex worker in the Blue Mountains last year, has resigned from state parliament.

Mr Johnsen was last week removed from the Nationals and Coalition party rooms, and was suspended from the National Party, when the allegation, which he denies, was made in question time.

Yesterday an ABC story claimed the Upper Hunter MP offered a sex worker $1,000 to attend State Parliament for sex, and sent the woman a string of lewd text messages and an obscene video while Parliament was sitting.

Nationals Leader and NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said he welcomed the resignation.

“My message to the people of the Upper Hunter is I will always put integrity before politics, which is why I called for Mr Johnsen’s resignation.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/michael-johnsen-resigns-from-nsw-parliament/100040844

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Date: 31/03/2021 17:02:48
From: dv
ID: 1718130
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 31/03/2021 17:04:45
From: dv
ID: 1718131
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The WA legislative council results are not yet finalised as the WAEC goes through the votes of those tiresome nerds like me who voted below the line

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Date: 31/03/2021 17:07:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1718132
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The WA legislative council results are not yet finalised as the WAEC goes through the votes of those tiresome nerds like me who voted below the line

I am beginning to regret filling in all the boxes below the line. I want closure dammit.

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Date: 31/03/2021 17:09:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1718134
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



So it seems Scomo has responded to the crisis by giving a new assistant minister for women job to a “men’s rights activist.”

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Date: 31/03/2021 17:54:22
From: Ian
ID: 1718155
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



:)

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Date: 31/03/2021 19:16:35
From: dv
ID: 1718182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Hi de ho, Michael Johnsen has resigned from NSW Parliament following rape allegations, but says he is confident he will ultimately be cleared.

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Date: 31/03/2021 19:30:54
From: Cymek
ID: 1718192
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Hi de ho, Michael Johnsen has resigned from NSW Parliament following rape allegations, but says he is confident he will ultimately be cleared.

New allegation everyday it seems

This just came in recently

Benjamin Waters — a staffer for South Australian Labor MP Nat Cook — faces court charged with producing and possessing child exploitation material after being arrested yesterday.

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Date: 31/03/2021 19:31:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1718195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


dv said:

Hi de ho, Michael Johnsen has resigned from NSW Parliament following rape allegations, but says he is confident he will ultimately be cleared.

New allegation everyday it seems

This just came in recently

Benjamin Waters — a staffer for South Australian Labor MP Nat Cook — faces court charged with producing and possessing child exploitation material after being arrested yesterday.

Keep it going ¡

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Date: 1/04/2021 10:04:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1718421
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/mp-fraser-ellis-faces-adelaide-court-over-deception-charges/100040142

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Date: 1/04/2021 10:09:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1718426
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Police will take no action against federal backbencher Andrew Laming, who was accused of taking an inappropriate photograph of a woman while she was bending over.
A number of people were interviewed as part of the investigation and a Queensland police spokesperson said detectives found no evidence to indicate an offence had been committed.”

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Date: 1/04/2021 10:12:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1718429
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


“Police will take no action against federal backbencher Andrew Laming, who was accused of taking an inappropriate photograph of a woman while she was bending over.
A number of people were interviewed as part of the investigation and a Queensland police spokesperson said detectives found no evidence to indicate an offence had been committed.”

bet the dude at work regrets forcing the corruption to delete the image now

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Date: 1/04/2021 17:31:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1718668
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

South Australia’s Premier says there has been no “deliberate” collection of data through redirections from official state government websites to an SA Liberal Party campaign software tool.

ha ha.

at least they didn’t accidentally rape someone who was drunk and asking for it

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Date: 1/04/2021 17:32:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1718669
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:
South Australia’s Premier says there has been no “deliberate” collection of data through redirections from official state government websites to an SA Liberal Party campaign software tool.

ha ha.

at least they didn’t accidentally rape someone who was drunk and asking for it

You do have a point.

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Date: 1/04/2021 21:29:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1718793
Subject: re: Aust Politics

and since we’re all about avalanches today how’s this for a Zak manoeuvre

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/i-have-no-doubt-berejiklian-confident-government-will-lose-byelection-20210401-p57fwg.html

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has no doubt her government will lose an upcoming byelection in the marginal seat of Upper Hunter sparked by allegations that former Coalition MP Michael Johnsen raped a sex worker. “I have no doubt we won’t retain the seat,” Ms Berejiklian said on Thursday, a day after Mr Johnsen resigned from NSW Parliament over the alleged attack on a woman at a Blue Mountains lookout in 2019.

While Ms Berejiklian was quick to downplay the government’s chances of retaining the seat, opposition leader Jodi McKay was also attempting to claim underdog status. “I actually think it will take a miracle for the National Party to lose this seat,” Ms McKay said. “I found that to be quite extraordinary because the National Party has held this seat for about 90 years.”

make that 2 Zak manoeuvres

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Date: 2/04/2021 00:22:06
From: dv
ID: 1718876
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


and since we’re all about avalanches today how’s this for a Zak manoeuvre

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/i-have-no-doubt-berejiklian-confident-government-will-lose-byelection-20210401-p57fwg.html

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has no doubt her government will lose an upcoming byelection in the marginal seat of Upper Hunter sparked by allegations that former Coalition MP Michael Johnsen raped a sex worker. “I have no doubt we won’t retain the seat,” Ms Berejiklian said on Thursday, a day after Mr Johnsen resigned from NSW Parliament over the alleged attack on a woman at a Blue Mountains lookout in 2019.

While Ms Berejiklian was quick to downplay the government’s chances of retaining the seat, opposition leader Jodi McKay was also attempting to claim underdog status. “I actually think it will take a miracle for the National Party to lose this seat,” Ms McKay said. “I found that to be quite extraordinary because the National Party has held this seat for about 90 years.”

make that 2 Zak manoeuvres

Mmm but Zak was quite right… they really were fucked.

Whereas the expectation is that the Nats will retain UH. They won it by 5% last time, and if anything the Coalition’s approval has improved since the last election.

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Date: 2/04/2021 01:18:54
From: dv
ID: 1718926
Subject: re: Aust Politics

If Morrison is still PM in September, he’ll become our longest serving PM since Howard.

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Date: 2/04/2021 01:21:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1718929
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


If Morrison is still PM in September, he’ll become our longest serving PM since Howard.

Surreal, but that’s the 21st century for you.

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Date: 2/04/2021 01:27:07
From: sibeen
ID: 1718930
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


If Morrison is still PM in September, he’ll become our longest serving PM since Howard.

Hallelujah (sic).

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Date: 2/04/2021 01:31:40
From: party_pants
ID: 1718932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


If Morrison is still PM in September, he’ll become our longest serving PM since Howard.

that’s a whole footy season away ….

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Date: 2/04/2021 09:31:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1718994
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/too-late-for-me-scotty-readers-respond-to-morrison-s-cabinet-reshuffle-20210401-p57fsm.html

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Date: 2/04/2021 09:46:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1718999
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/too-late-for-me-scotty-readers-respond-to-morrison-s-cabinet-reshuffle-20210401-p57fsm.html

don’t worry there’s still time before the next election rolls around and by then they’ll have realised The Economy Must Grow is more important and Anthony is ugly and the born to rule will rule again

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:12:56
From: dv
ID: 1719019
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.facebook.com/VicMemeMasters/videos/3954571734599185/

PM responds to questions about Laming

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:23:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1719022
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.facebook.com/VicMemeMasters/videos/3954571734599185/

PM responds to questions about Laming

coward.

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:42:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1719026
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

https://www.facebook.com/VicMemeMasters/videos/3954571734599185/

PM responds to questions about Laming

coward.

To be honest, he didn’t have to answer it.

The interviewer had laid it all out quite clearly, and even the most blinkered Liberal supporter knew that every word of the long question was accurate.

Short of saying ‘yes, you’re right, i’m too chickenshit to sack him because i like being PM and i won’t be if i do that’, Morrison could only evade the question and then run for cover.

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:43:35
From: dv
ID: 1719027
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

https://www.facebook.com/VicMemeMasters/videos/3954571734599185/

PM responds to questions about Laming

coward.

To be honest, he didn’t have to answer it.

The interviewer had laid it all out quite clearly, and even the most blinkered Liberal supporter knew that every word of the long question was accurate.

Short of saying ‘yes, you’re right, i’m too chickenshit to sack him because i like being PM and i won’t be if i do that’, Morrison could only evade the question and then run for cover.

In fairness he would still almost certainly be PM if he kicks Laming out. He’d just need to put up with Katter’s bullshit for a year.

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:44:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1719028
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/02/afr-hit-job-on-samantha-maiden-backfires-spectacularly

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:44:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1719029
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In any case, i can’t see Sooty being PM after the next election.

Win, lose, or draw, i reckon that the Libs are just weary of him.

They’ll find a way to engineer a leadership challenge, and put someone even more sleazy into the job.

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:45:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1719030
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

He’d just need to put up with Katter’s bullshit for a year.

When you put it like that, i begin to feel some sympathy for Sooty.

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:46:05
From: Tamb
ID: 1719031
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

coward.

To be honest, he didn’t have to answer it.

The interviewer had laid it all out quite clearly, and even the most blinkered Liberal supporter knew that every word of the long question was accurate.

Short of saying ‘yes, you’re right, i’m too chickenshit to sack him because i like being PM and i won’t be if i do that’, Morrison could only evade the question and then run for cover.

In fairness he would still almost certainly be PM if he kicks Laming out. He’d just need to put up with Katter’s bullshit for a year.


Oi. Bob’s my local member. FNQ first, Southern posers last.

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:48:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1719032
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

To be honest, he didn’t have to answer it.

The interviewer had laid it all out quite clearly, and even the most blinkered Liberal supporter knew that every word of the long question was accurate.

Short of saying ‘yes, you’re right, i’m too chickenshit to sack him because i like being PM and i won’t be if i do that’, Morrison could only evade the question and then run for cover.

In fairness he would still almost certainly be PM if he kicks Laming out. He’d just need to put up with Katter’s bullshit for a year.


Oi. Bob’s my local member. FNQ first, Southern posers last.

Really?

I thought it was Katter first?

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Date: 2/04/2021 10:51:33
From: Tamb
ID: 1719033
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

In fairness he would still almost certainly be PM if he kicks Laming out. He’d just need to put up with Katter’s bullshit for a year.


Oi. Bob’s my local member. FNQ first, Southern posers last.

Really?

I thought it was Katter first?


No. Never has been. Safe seat so needn’t be concerned with being re-elected.

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Date: 2/04/2021 11:04:59
From: dv
ID: 1719036
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/02/afr-hit-job-on-samantha-maiden-backfires-spectacularly

Is Fairfax jockeying for the position of Coalition suckhole to replace Newscorp?

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Date: 2/04/2021 11:06:04
From: dv
ID: 1719037
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

To be honest, he didn’t have to answer it.

The interviewer had laid it all out quite clearly, and even the most blinkered Liberal supporter knew that every word of the long question was accurate.

Short of saying ‘yes, you’re right, i’m too chickenshit to sack him because i like being PM and i won’t be if i do that’, Morrison could only evade the question and then run for cover.

In fairness he would still almost certainly be PM if he kicks Laming out. He’d just need to put up with Katter’s bullshit for a year.


Oi. Bob’s my local member. FNQ first, Southern posers last.

He should link arms with the Greens to improve rural services then

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Date: 2/04/2021 11:10:57
From: Tamb
ID: 1719038
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

In fairness he would still almost certainly be PM if he kicks Laming out. He’d just need to put up with Katter’s bullshit for a year.


Oi. Bob’s my local member. FNQ first, Southern posers last.

He should link arms with the Greens to improve rural services then


That will never happen. He might get things done, the Greens are too impractical.

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Date: 2/04/2021 11:27:15
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1719042
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Katter calling other people “posers” is a laugh.

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Date: 2/04/2021 11:44:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1719050
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/02/afr-hit-job-on-samantha-maiden-backfires-spectacularly

Is Fairfax jockeying for the position of Coalition suckhole to replace Newscorp?

I hope not, but it does sort of look like that.

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Date: 2/04/2021 11:47:45
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1719052
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/02/afr-hit-job-on-samantha-maiden-backfires-spectacularly

Is Fairfax jockeying for the position of Coalition suckhole to replace Newscorp?

I hope not, but it does sort of look like that.

The AFR has always been the most conservative masthead of the Fairfax newspapers.

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Date: 2/04/2021 12:12:03
From: transition
ID: 1719069
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/02/afr-hit-job-on-samantha-maiden-backfires-spectacularly

Is Fairfax jockeying for the position of Coalition suckhole to replace Newscorp?

certainly no question there’s a force of activism in journalism presently, evident political objectives, some have landed themselves right in politics, generating considerable part of the contextual dynamics or whatever, perceptions of situation and situational forces, of the whatever they report on

large part of it is inclined by the idea that everything is political, or ought be, everything is about power relations maybe

I reckon that’s more an authoritarian way, resembles an authoritarian fundamental

that’s my view, just a view

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Date: 3/04/2021 18:59:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1719608
Subject: re: Aust Politics

LOL

Back coal to win NSW byelection, Labor MP says

Labor has been urged by federal backbencher Joel Fitzgibbon to set aside any opposition to coal mining if it is to win the marginal NSW seat.

What are ‘zombie mines’? What do they have to do with Malcolm Turnbull?

As a self-described “long-term farmer in the Upper Hunter”, the former prime minister is calling for a freeze on new coal approvals in NSW, which he says are “out of control”.

He accuses mining companies of “trying to get in before the party ends” and says coal projects are being approved one at a time without regard to their cumulative impact.

Malcolm Turnbull says keeping these coal projects in the pipeline also affects other high-performing industries in the region, such as the thoroughbred industry.

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:31:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720879
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr Turnbull, who has been a fierce critic of News Corp, said the government had caved to pressure from the Murdoch press reversing his appointment.

“There was a pretty ferocious campaign, a vendetta, really, in the characteristic way that News Corp operates,” Mr Turnbull said.

“Its goal was to bully the state government into not appointing me chair of this net zero board.”

Mr Turnbull last year joined another former prime minister, Labor’s Kevin Rudd, in backing a petition for a royal commission into media diversity and the role of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, saying they both believe “News Corp is a malevolent and partisan force in Australian political life”.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said on Nine Radio this morning that he was embarrassed he had agreed to Mr Turnbull’s appointment.

“I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Liberals and the benefit of the doubt to Malcolm Turnbull and he pulled my pants down within 48 hours,” Mr Barilaro said.

Mr Barilaro said the issue of air quality in mining areas has been manipulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/malcolm-turnbull-dropped-as-chair-of-climate-change-board/100050254

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:36:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1720882
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Mr Turnbull, who has been a fierce critic of News Corp, said the government had caved to pressure from the Murdoch press reversing his appointment.

“There was a pretty ferocious campaign, a vendetta, really, in the characteristic way that News Corp operates,” Mr Turnbull said.

“Its goal was to bully the state government into not appointing me chair of this net zero board.”

Mr Turnbull last year joined another former prime minister, Labor’s Kevin Rudd, in backing a petition for a royal commission into media diversity and the role of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, saying they both believe “News Corp is a malevolent and partisan force in Australian political life”.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said on Nine Radio this morning that he was embarrassed he had agreed to Mr Turnbull’s appointment.

“I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Liberals and the benefit of the doubt to Malcolm Turnbull and he pulled my pants down within 48 hours,” Mr Barilaro said.

Mr Barilaro said the issue of air quality in mining areas has been manipulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/malcolm-turnbull-dropped-as-chair-of-climate-change-board/100050254

I wonder how much longer Matt Kean will survive in the NSW Libs.

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:42:38
From: Cymek
ID: 1720887
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Mr Turnbull, who has been a fierce critic of News Corp, said the government had caved to pressure from the Murdoch press reversing his appointment.

“There was a pretty ferocious campaign, a vendetta, really, in the characteristic way that News Corp operates,” Mr Turnbull said.

“Its goal was to bully the state government into not appointing me chair of this net zero board.”

Mr Turnbull last year joined another former prime minister, Labor’s Kevin Rudd, in backing a petition for a royal commission into media diversity and the role of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, saying they both believe “News Corp is a malevolent and partisan force in Australian political life”.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said on Nine Radio this morning that he was embarrassed he had agreed to Mr Turnbull’s appointment.

“I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Liberals and the benefit of the doubt to Malcolm Turnbull and he pulled my pants down within 48 hours,” Mr Barilaro said.

Mr Barilaro said the issue of air quality in mining areas has been manipulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/malcolm-turnbull-dropped-as-chair-of-climate-change-board/100050254

Who would trust commercial media enterprises, of course they manipulate what we see and read why else would you own so many, you already have money so don’t particularly need them for that.

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:46:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720889
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

Mr Turnbull, who has been a fierce critic of News Corp, said the government had caved to pressure from the Murdoch press reversing his appointment.

“There was a pretty ferocious campaign, a vendetta, really, in the characteristic way that News Corp operates,” Mr Turnbull said.

“Its goal was to bully the state government into not appointing me chair of this net zero board.”

Mr Turnbull last year joined another former prime minister, Labor’s Kevin Rudd, in backing a petition for a royal commission into media diversity and the role of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, saying they both believe “News Corp is a malevolent and partisan force in Australian political life”.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said on Nine Radio this morning that he was embarrassed he had agreed to Mr Turnbull’s appointment.

“I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Liberals and the benefit of the doubt to Malcolm Turnbull and he pulled my pants down within 48 hours,” Mr Barilaro said.

Mr Barilaro said the issue of air quality in mining areas has been manipulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/malcolm-turnbull-dropped-as-chair-of-climate-change-board/100050254

Who would trust commercial media enterprises, of course they manipulate what we see and read why else would you own so many, you already have money so don’t particularly need them for that.

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:50:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1720893
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Mr Turnbull, who has been a fierce critic of News Corp, said the government had caved to pressure from the Murdoch press reversing his appointment.

“There was a pretty ferocious campaign, a vendetta, really, in the characteristic way that News Corp operates,” Mr Turnbull said.

“Its goal was to bully the state government into not appointing me chair of this net zero board.”

Mr Turnbull last year joined another former prime minister, Labor’s Kevin Rudd, in backing a petition for a royal commission into media diversity and the role of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, saying they both believe “News Corp is a malevolent and partisan force in Australian political life”.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said on Nine Radio this morning that he was embarrassed he had agreed to Mr Turnbull’s appointment.

“I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Liberals and the benefit of the doubt to Malcolm Turnbull and he pulled my pants down within 48 hours,” Mr Barilaro said.

Mr Barilaro said the issue of air quality in mining areas has been manipulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/malcolm-turnbull-dropped-as-chair-of-climate-change-board/100050254

Who would trust commercial media enterprises, of course they manipulate what we see and read why else would you own so many, you already have money so don’t particularly need them for that.

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

Yeah I know people seem to lack insight, maybe it helps I’m not a people person so find it blatantly obvious it smacks of manipulation

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:52:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720895
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Who would trust commercial media enterprises, of course they manipulate what we see and read why else would you own so many, you already have money so don’t particularly need them for that.

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

Yeah I know people seem to lack insight, maybe it helps I’m not a people person so find it blatantly obvious it smacks of manipulation

More of us fall below the level of competence than above.

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:55:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1720898
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Who would trust commercial media enterprises, of course they manipulate what we see and read why else would you own so many, you already have money so don’t particularly need them for that.

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

Yeah I know people seem to lack insight, maybe it helps I’m not a people person so find it blatantly obvious it smacks of manipulation

I trust certain journalists regardless of who they work for.

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Date: 6/04/2021 11:58:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720900
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

Yeah I know people seem to lack insight, maybe it helps I’m not a people person so find it blatantly obvious it smacks of manipulation

I trust certain journalists regardless of who they work for.

So which of these work for news corp?

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:02:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1720903
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

Cymek said:

Yeah I know people seem to lack insight, maybe it helps I’m not a people person so find it blatantly obvious it smacks of manipulation

I trust certain journalists regardless of who they work for.

So which of these work for news corp?

Dunno, but News Corps isn’t the only commercial media.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:04:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720906
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I trust certain journalists regardless of who they work for.

So which of these work for news corp?

Dunno, but News Corps isn’t the only commercial media.

ah…

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:04:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1720907
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I trust certain journalists regardless of who they work for.

So which of these work for news corp?

Dunno, but News Corps isn’t the only commercial media.

I guess most would be considered freelance. so sometimes there articles would appear in news corp media.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:06:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1720909
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

So which of these work for news corp?

Dunno, but News Corps isn’t the only commercial media.

I guess most would be considered freelance. so sometimes there articles would appear in news corp media.

their

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:08:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720911
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

Dunno, but News Corps isn’t the only commercial media.

I guess most would be considered freelance. so sometimes there articles would appear in news corp media.

their

Sometimes=when news corp wants to publish it.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:14:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1720914
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

I guess most would be considered freelance. so sometimes there articles would appear in news corp media.

their

Sometimes=when news corp wants to publish it.

of course. isn’t that how all media works? it is only if it is a personal space that you have control on being published.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:28:23
From: party_pants
ID: 1720930
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Mr Turnbull, who has been a fierce critic of News Corp, said the government had caved to pressure from the Murdoch press reversing his appointment.

“There was a pretty ferocious campaign, a vendetta, really, in the characteristic way that News Corp operates,” Mr Turnbull said.

“Its goal was to bully the state government into not appointing me chair of this net zero board.”

Mr Turnbull last year joined another former prime minister, Labor’s Kevin Rudd, in backing a petition for a royal commission into media diversity and the role of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, saying they both believe “News Corp is a malevolent and partisan force in Australian political life”.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said on Nine Radio this morning that he was embarrassed he had agreed to Mr Turnbull’s appointment.

“I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Liberals and the benefit of the doubt to Malcolm Turnbull and he pulled my pants down within 48 hours,” Mr Barilaro said.

Mr Barilaro said the issue of air quality in mining areas has been manipulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/malcolm-turnbull-dropped-as-chair-of-climate-change-board/100050254

Who would trust commercial media enterprises, of course they manipulate what we see and read why else would you own so many, you already have money so don’t particularly need them for that.

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:32:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720936
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Who would trust commercial media enterprises, of course they manipulate what we see and read why else would you own so many, you already have money so don’t particularly need them for that.

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:34:18
From: Tamb
ID: 1720938
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

like those*@$%& ladder ads.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:35:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1720939
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

like those*@$%& ladder ads.

and yet, those ladders look like they would be useful.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:36:30
From: Cymek
ID: 1720941
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

They also have lots of nonsense shows to distract people from what is going on in the world

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:38:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

like those*@$%& ladder ads.

Yep them ones that they never tell you the price of but if you add up all the free extras which they say are a saving, the bloody ladders must cost thousands.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:38:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

like those*@$%& ladder ads.

and yet, those ladders look like they would be useful.

They do indeed but… at what cost?

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:39:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1720946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

They also have lots of nonsense shows to distract people from what is going on in the world

exactly.

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Date: 6/04/2021 12:57:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1720967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

They also have lots of nonsense shows to distract people from what is going on in the world

exactly.

Murdoch empire slammed by former Walkley-winning News Corp journo Tony Koch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiNytTi3Cs

It is long. It isn’t the best recording. It is informative and knowing.

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:01:47
From: transition
ID: 1720973
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

The problem is that clearly quite a large percentage of the population only trust commercial media.
Thy’ll use the abc for emergencies but watch and listen only to commercial stations.

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

>they manipulate what we see

that’s what TV is, the manipulation of what you see, (and hear) that’s largely why people watch it, to see something manipulated, no effort to the viewer, worse though one’s own brain manipulates what it sees

so it could be a question of how many brains and devices you want manipulating it really, i’d expect fewer is better in some ways

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:12:03
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1720979
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

They also have lots of nonsense shows to distract people from what is going on in the world

exactly.

Murdoch empire slammed by former Walkley-winning News Corp journo Tony Koch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiNytTi3Cs

It is long. It isn’t the best recording. It is informative and knowing.

Here’s an article he wrote for the Guardian a couple years ago.

For 30 years I worked for News Corp papers. Now all I see is shameful bias

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/09/for-30-years-i-worked-for-news-corp-papers-now-all-i-see-is-shameful-bias

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:27:21
From: Woodie
ID: 1720987
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

>they manipulate what we see

that’s what TV is, the manipulation of what you see, (and hear) that’s largely why people watch it, to see something manipulated, no effort to the viewer, worse though one’s own brain manipulates what it sees

so it could be a question of how many brains and devices you want manipulating it really, i’d expect fewer is better in some ways

Yeah. It’s call Car Crash Television. You put car crashes on television and it’ll rate it’s head off.

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:28:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1720989
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

exactly.

Murdoch empire slammed by former Walkley-winning News Corp journo Tony Koch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiNytTi3Cs

It is long. It isn’t the best recording. It is informative and knowing.

Here’s an article he wrote for the Guardian a couple years ago.

For 30 years I worked for News Corp papers. Now all I see is shameful bias

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/09/for-30-years-i-worked-for-news-corp-papers-now-all-i-see-is-shameful-bias

There is so much more in the long story.

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:29:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1720990
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Murdoch empire slammed by former Walkley-winning News Corp journo Tony Koch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiNytTi3Cs

It is long. It isn’t the best recording. It is informative and knowing.

Here’s an article he wrote for the Guardian a couple years ago.

For 30 years I worked for News Corp papers. Now all I see is shameful bias

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/09/for-30-years-i-worked-for-news-corp-papers-now-all-i-see-is-shameful-bias

There is so much more in the long story.

Especially about the replacement of journalists with commentators.

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:32:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1720992
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Here’s an article he wrote for the Guardian a couple years ago.

For 30 years I worked for News Corp papers. Now all I see is shameful bias

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/09/for-30-years-i-worked-for-news-corp-papers-now-all-i-see-is-shameful-bias

There is so much more in the long story.

Especially about the replacement of journalists with commentators.

the difference between journos and reporters.

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:35:26
From: Cymek
ID: 1720994
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Murdoch empire slammed by former Walkley-winning News Corp journo Tony Koch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiNytTi3Cs

It is long. It isn’t the best recording. It is informative and knowing.

Here’s an article he wrote for the Guardian a couple years ago.

For 30 years I worked for News Corp papers. Now all I see is shameful bias

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/09/for-30-years-i-worked-for-news-corp-papers-now-all-i-see-is-shameful-bias

There is so much more in the long story.

Derryn would not be amused

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:36:49
From: Cymek
ID: 1720995
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

There is so much more in the long story.

Especially about the replacement of journalists with commentators.

the difference between journos and reporters.

The job of choice for many superheroes and/or their romantic love interest

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:39:09
From: Neophyte
ID: 1720997
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


JudgeMental said:

sarahs mum said:

Especially about the replacement of journalists with commentators.

the difference between journos and reporters.

The job of choice for many superheroes and/or their romantic love interest

In old days they were all wealthy playboys.

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:41:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721000
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

The core problem is that commercial media has stepped away from simply reporting on the news, and have sought to become players by adding their own bias to what they report and how they report it.

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

They also have lots of nonsense shows to distract people from what is going on in the world

so also similar to people playing the market then

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:42:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721001
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

their

Sometimes=when news corp wants to publish it.

of course. isn’t that how all media works? it is only if it is a personal space that you have control on being published.

so back to The Conversation over social media and freedom of speech so they call it

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:44:48
From: Cymek
ID: 1721004
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

and they do it because it is popular. or if it isn’t their aim is to make it popular by repetition;
It is like all the useless ads for useless items that people must actually buy or the ads wouldn’t be played. Unless of course that people do what they are told over and over again and again.

They also have lots of nonsense shows to distract people from what is going on in the world

so also similar to people playing the market then

Fashion shows as well and awards ceremonies

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:46:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1721005
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

They also have lots of nonsense shows to distract people from what is going on in the world

so also similar to people playing the market then

Fashion shows as well and awards ceremonies

I would like to just make it known at this juncture that I don’t possess a television set.

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Date: 6/04/2021 13:49:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721011
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

so also similar to people playing the market then

Fashion shows as well and awards ceremonies

I would like to just make it known at this juncture that I don’t possess a television set.

we don’t even know who Alan Jones is, never watched him

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Date: 6/04/2021 14:36:18
From: dv
ID: 1721045
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So… Turnbull was dropped from the NSW clean energy board … for opposing a new coal mine?

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Date: 6/04/2021 14:37:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721047
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

So… Turnbull was dropped from the NSW clean energy board … for opposing a new coal mine?

he’s blaming murdoc

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Date: 6/04/2021 14:40:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1721054
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


So… Turnbull was dropped from the NSW clean energy board … for opposing a new coal mine?

From: roughbarked
ID: 1720879
Subject: re: Aust Politics
Mr Turnbull, who has been a fierce critic of News Corp, said the government had caved to pressure from the Murdoch press reversing his appointment.

“There was a pretty ferocious campaign, a vendetta, really, in the characteristic way that News Corp operates,” Mr Turnbull said.

“Its goal was to bully the state government into not appointing me chair of this net zero board.”

Mr Turnbull last year joined another former prime minister, Labor’s Kevin Rudd, in backing a petition for a royal commission into media diversity and the role of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, saying they both believe “News Corp is a malevolent and partisan force in Australian political life”.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro said on Nine Radio this morning that he was embarrassed he had agreed to Mr Turnbull’s appointment.

“I gave the benefit of the doubt to the Liberals and the benefit of the doubt to Malcolm Turnbull and he pulled my pants down within 48 hours,” Mr Barilaro said.

Mr Barilaro said the issue of air quality in mining areas has been manipulated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/malcolm-turnbull-dropped-as-chair-of-climate-change-board/100050254

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Date: 6/04/2021 16:30:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1721168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack and a secret group of government ministers intervened in the selection of more than a third of the projects funded from a $200m regional grant fund.

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Date: 6/04/2021 16:35:46
From: party_pants
ID: 1721170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack and a secret group of government ministers intervened in the selection of more than a third of the projects funded from a $200m regional grant fund.

It wouldn’t be the National Party otherwise. Their motto should be: Have pork, will barrel.

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Date: 6/04/2021 20:13:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1721288
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents

Exclusive: federal member for Bowman has operated more than 30 pages and profiles, some under the guise of community groups, which he uses to promote political material

The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute.

The Bowman MP, who is on leave from parliament to undertake empathy counselling following complaints about his behaviour towards women, uses the sites to promote political material and attack his Labor opponents through pages classified with Facebook as “community” and “news” groups. None of the pages include political authorisation disclosures.

Laming has announced he will quit politics at the next election, but the Morrison government has insisted he is a fit and proper person to sit on the government benches, where the Coalition holds a one-seat majority.
Andrew Laming: Simpsons memes, ‘extraordinary behaviour’ and the end of an MP’s career
Read more

As further revelations about his “extraordinary” behaviour emerge, Guardian Australia has confirmed that the Facebook page operating as the Redland Bay Bulletin – which uses a similar name to the local news site the Redland City Bulletin – was set up by Laming in October 2015 claiming to be a “community group”.

The page claims to “update the issues and keep a close eye on politicians and their promises” in the Redlands area, but posts frequent links to Liberal National party advertising and attacks on the Labor party, including state member Kim Richards.

“This page was created to provide an opportunity for you to communicate your likes and dislikes, advertise an event or your business. So share this page to fellow residents. Let’s see if we are noticed so that positive changes can be made,” the “about” page reads.

=

Guardian Australia understands that Laming has set up a community page for each suburb in his electorate without disclosing his political links to the sites, and operates about 35 from his Facebook account, which have garnered thousands of followers. His official Facebook page was shut down in the wake of allegations that he stalked two Brisbane women online.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents

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Date: 6/04/2021 20:30:09
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1721298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Amid concern about the impact of anonymous trolling online, the government is also considering a recommendation from a parliamentary inquiry that would require identity checks before people could set up online social media profiles.

From SM article.

Good grief.

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Date: 6/04/2021 20:31:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1721299
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents

Exclusive: federal member for Bowman has operated more than 30 pages and profiles, some under the guise of community groups, which he uses to promote political material

The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute.

The Bowman MP, who is on leave from parliament to undertake empathy counselling following complaints about his behaviour towards women, uses the sites to promote political material and attack his Labor opponents through pages classified with Facebook as “community” and “news” groups. None of the pages include political authorisation disclosures.

Laming has announced he will quit politics at the next election, but the Morrison government has insisted he is a fit and proper person to sit on the government benches, where the Coalition holds a one-seat majority.
Andrew Laming: Simpsons memes, ‘extraordinary behaviour’ and the end of an MP’s career
Read more

As further revelations about his “extraordinary” behaviour emerge, Guardian Australia has confirmed that the Facebook page operating as the Redland Bay Bulletin – which uses a similar name to the local news site the Redland City Bulletin – was set up by Laming in October 2015 claiming to be a “community group”.

The page claims to “update the issues and keep a close eye on politicians and their promises” in the Redlands area, but posts frequent links to Liberal National party advertising and attacks on the Labor party, including state member Kim Richards.

“This page was created to provide an opportunity for you to communicate your likes and dislikes, advertise an event or your business. So share this page to fellow residents. Let’s see if we are noticed so that positive changes can be made,” the “about” page reads.

=

Guardian Australia understands that Laming has set up a community page for each suburb in his electorate without disclosing his political links to the sites, and operates about 35 from his Facebook account, which have garnered thousands of followers. His official Facebook page was shut down in the wake of allegations that he stalked two Brisbane women online.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents

I guess the honourable member for Bowman is no longer honourable.

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Date: 6/04/2021 20:46:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721300
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack and a secret group of government ministers intervened in the selection of more than a third of the projects funded from a $200m regional grant fund.

It wouldn’t be the National Party otherwise. Their motto should be: Have pork, will barrel.

more corruption grants what a surprise

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Date: 6/04/2021 20:53:09
From: party_pants
ID: 1721304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents

Exclusive: federal member for Bowman has operated more than 30 pages and profiles, some under the guise of community groups, which he uses to promote political material

The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute.

The Bowman MP, who is on leave from parliament to undertake empathy counselling following complaints about his behaviour towards women, uses the sites to promote political material and attack his Labor opponents through pages classified with Facebook as “community” and “news” groups. None of the pages include political authorisation disclosures.

Laming has announced he will quit politics at the next election, but the Morrison government has insisted he is a fit and proper person to sit on the government benches, where the Coalition holds a one-seat majority.
Andrew Laming: Simpsons memes, ‘extraordinary behaviour’ and the end of an MP’s career
Read more

As further revelations about his “extraordinary” behaviour emerge, Guardian Australia has confirmed that the Facebook page operating as the Redland Bay Bulletin – which uses a similar name to the local news site the Redland City Bulletin – was set up by Laming in October 2015 claiming to be a “community group”.

The page claims to “update the issues and keep a close eye on politicians and their promises” in the Redlands area, but posts frequent links to Liberal National party advertising and attacks on the Labor party, including state member Kim Richards.

“This page was created to provide an opportunity for you to communicate your likes and dislikes, advertise an event or your business. So share this page to fellow residents. Let’s see if we are noticed so that positive changes can be made,” the “about” page reads.

=

Guardian Australia understands that Laming has set up a community page for each suburb in his electorate without disclosing his political links to the sites, and operates about 35 from his Facebook account, which have garnered thousands of followers. His official Facebook page was shut down in the wake of allegations that he stalked two Brisbane women online.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents

I guess the honourable member for Bowman is no longer honourable.

See, this is why I am mostly inactive now on Facebook, except for a few close friends and family. I suspected that much of this shit was being done by politicians and their staffers.

Over at another forum I accused several people of people paid staffers on taxpayer salaries. Some of them disappeared for a while, but then another handle would spring up soon after spouting the same old shit.

We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

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Date: 6/04/2021 20:56:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721305
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

¿ref

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Date: 6/04/2021 20:58:27
From: party_pants
ID: 1721306
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:
We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

¿ref

Big Footy forums has a specific politics section. It is a fucking cess-pit.

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:01:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1721307
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:
We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

¿ref

Big Footy forums has a specific politics section. It is a fucking cess-pit.

We are lucky here.

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:01:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721308
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

¿ref

Big Footy forums has a specific politics section. It is a fucking cess-pit.

fair shot, we’ll take your word that it’s a contrast to here, and remain thankful this place is the way it is

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:04:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721309
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:
Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents

Exclusive: federal member for Bowman has operated more than 30 pages and profiles, some under the guise of community groups, which he uses to promote political material

The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute.

Guardian Australia understands that Laming has set up a community page for each suburb in his electorate without disclosing his political links to the sites, and operates about 35 from his Facebook account, which have garnered thousands of followers. His official Facebook page was shut down in the wake of allegations that he stalked two Brisbane women online.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents

I guess the honourable member for Bowman is no longer honourable.

you know how dv has been enjoying himself reminding us of all the sock puppetteering by our favourite corruptionoalition, well it looks like he’s going to have plenty more fun for a long time

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:11:50
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1721311
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents

Exclusive: federal member for Bowman has operated more than 30 pages and profiles, some under the guise of community groups, which he uses to promote political material

The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute.

The Bowman MP, who is on leave from parliament to undertake empathy counselling following complaints about his behaviour towards women, uses the sites to promote political material and attack his Labor opponents through pages classified with Facebook as “community” and “news” groups. None of the pages include political authorisation disclosures.

Laming has announced he will quit politics at the next election, but the Morrison government has insisted he is a fit and proper person to sit on the government benches, where the Coalition holds a one-seat majority.
Andrew Laming: Simpsons memes, ‘extraordinary behaviour’ and the end of an MP’s career
Read more

As further revelations about his “extraordinary” behaviour emerge, Guardian Australia has confirmed that the Facebook page operating as the Redland Bay Bulletin – which uses a similar name to the local news site the Redland City Bulletin – was set up by Laming in October 2015 claiming to be a “community group”.

The page claims to “update the issues and keep a close eye on politicians and their promises” in the Redlands area, but posts frequent links to Liberal National party advertising and attacks on the Labor party, including state member Kim Richards.

“This page was created to provide an opportunity for you to communicate your likes and dislikes, advertise an event or your business. So share this page to fellow residents. Let’s see if we are noticed so that positive changes can be made,” the “about” page reads.

=

Guardian Australia understands that Laming has set up a community page for each suburb in his electorate without disclosing his political links to the sites, and operates about 35 from his Facebook account, which have garnered thousands of followers. His official Facebook page was shut down in the wake of allegations that he stalked two Brisbane women online.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents

I guess the honourable member for Bowman is no longer honourable.

See, this is why I am mostly inactive now on Facebook, except for a few close friends and family. I suspected that much of this shit was being done by politicians and their staffers.

Over at another forum I accused several people of people paid staffers on taxpayer salaries. Some of them disappeared for a while, but then another handle would spring up soon after spouting the same old shit.

We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

I would like to some new media clean up laws, dealing with this stuff.

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:13:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1721312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I guess the honourable member for Bowman is no longer honourable.

See, this is why I am mostly inactive now on Facebook, except for a few close friends and family. I suspected that much of this shit was being done by politicians and their staffers.

Over at another forum I accused several people of people paid staffers on taxpayer salaries. Some of them disappeared for a while, but then another handle would spring up soon after spouting the same old shit.

We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

I would like to some new media clean up laws, dealing with this stuff.

Better.

I would like to see some new media clean up laws dealing with this stuff.

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:17:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1721313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

See, this is why I am mostly inactive now on Facebook, except for a few close friends and family. I suspected that much of this shit was being done by politicians and their staffers.

Over at another forum I accused several people of people paid staffers on taxpayer salaries. Some of them disappeared for a while, but then another handle would spring up soon after spouting the same old shit.

We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

I would like to some new media clean up laws, dealing with this stuff.

Better.

I would like to see some new media clean up laws dealing with this stuff.

I don’t think that many people will vote green.

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:24:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721314
Subject: re: Aust Politics

maybe the answer is partly source, partly sink

we love blaming the victim at most as much as The Rev Dodgson, but believe there’s still a valid point to be made that

the harms discussed above could be reduced at least in part by providing a more media-literate education to the receivers of the dodgy media you all speak of

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:49:37
From: buffy
ID: 1721318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents

Exclusive: federal member for Bowman has operated more than 30 pages and profiles, some under the guise of community groups, which he uses to promote political material

The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute.

The Bowman MP, who is on leave from parliament to undertake empathy counselling following complaints about his behaviour towards women, uses the sites to promote political material and attack his Labor opponents through pages classified with Facebook as “community” and “news” groups. None of the pages include political authorisation disclosures.

Laming has announced he will quit politics at the next election, but the Morrison government has insisted he is a fit and proper person to sit on the government benches, where the Coalition holds a one-seat majority.
Andrew Laming: Simpsons memes, ‘extraordinary behaviour’ and the end of an MP’s career
Read more

As further revelations about his “extraordinary” behaviour emerge, Guardian Australia has confirmed that the Facebook page operating as the Redland Bay Bulletin – which uses a similar name to the local news site the Redland City Bulletin – was set up by Laming in October 2015 claiming to be a “community group”.

The page claims to “update the issues and keep a close eye on politicians and their promises” in the Redlands area, but posts frequent links to Liberal National party advertising and attacks on the Labor party, including state member Kim Richards.

“This page was created to provide an opportunity for you to communicate your likes and dislikes, advertise an event or your business. So share this page to fellow residents. Let’s see if we are noticed so that positive changes can be made,” the “about” page reads.

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Guardian Australia understands that Laming has set up a community page for each suburb in his electorate without disclosing his political links to the sites, and operates about 35 from his Facebook account, which have garnered thousands of followers. His official Facebook page was shut down in the wake of allegations that he stalked two Brisbane women online.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents

I guess the honourable member for Bowman is no longer honourable.

See, this is why I am mostly inactive now on Facebook, except for a few close friends and family. I suspected that much of this shit was being done by politicians and their staffers.

Over at another forum I accused several people of people paid staffers on taxpayer salaries. Some of them disappeared for a while, but then another handle would spring up soon after spouting the same old shit.

We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

I suspect we know each other well enough that that sort of thing would get ignored or called out and then ignored. It has happened before here.

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Date: 6/04/2021 21:58:43
From: party_pants
ID: 1721320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I guess the honourable member for Bowman is no longer honourable.

See, this is why I am mostly inactive now on Facebook, except for a few close friends and family. I suspected that much of this shit was being done by politicians and their staffers.

Over at another forum I accused several people of people paid staffers on taxpayer salaries. Some of them disappeared for a while, but then another handle would spring up soon after spouting the same old shit.

We are lucky this little forum has avoided such a fate.

I suspect we know each other well enough that that sort of thing would get ignored or called out and then ignored. It has happened before here.

Yes. There is small enough number here and the longevity factor, that any new registration would attract attention.

Over at Big Footy, there are three times that number just who support the same team as me. With 18 teams in the competition it gets hard to keep track of who is who.

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Date: 7/04/2021 20:36:54
From: dv
ID: 1721749
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So all WA LC seats have been finalised now. Legalise Cannabis has been the big winner of the preference whispering lottery, picking up 2 seats from less than 2% of the overall vote. Conversely, Greens have been hard done by, only winning 1 seat, having received 6% of the vote.

The Nats dropped 1 seat from 4 to 3. The Libs lost 2 seats, from 9 to 7.

Labour went up 8, from 14 to 22.
One Nation, gone. Liberal Democrats, gone. Western Australia party, gone. Shooters and Fishers, gone.

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Date: 7/04/2021 20:45:52
From: dv
ID: 1721753
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Two Australian men have been charged after police allegedly found a bomb and extremist material in a raid on the homes of neo-Nazi group members

Police have arrested two men for possessing an improvised explosive device and extremist material as the head of Australian neo-Nazi group claims that their members’ homes was raided by authorities.

On Wednesday evening, a South Australian Police spokesperson told Business Insider Australia that they had carried out searches on the homes of people associated with an investigation into ideologically motivated violent extremism.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/men-charged-national-socialist-network-terrorism-investigation-2021-4

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Date: 7/04/2021 20:57:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1721759
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


So all WA LC seats have been finalised now. Legalise Cannabis has been the big winner of the preference whispering lottery, picking up 2 seats from less than 2% of the overall vote. Conversely, Greens have been hard done by, only winning 1 seat, having received 6% of the vote.

The Nats dropped 1 seat from 4 to 3. The Libs lost 2 seats, from 9 to 7.

Labour went up 8, from 14 to 22.
One Nation, gone. Liberal Democrats, gone. Western Australia party, gone. Shooters and Fishers, gone.

Let’s hope the ALP use their numbers to reform the fucker.

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Date: 7/04/2021 20:59:48
From: party_pants
ID: 1721762
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Two Australian men have been charged after police allegedly found a bomb and extremist material in a raid on the homes of neo-Nazi group members

Police have arrested two men for possessing an improvised explosive device and extremist material as the head of Australian neo-Nazi group claims that their members’ homes was raided by authorities.

On Wednesday evening, a South Australian Police spokesperson told Business Insider Australia that they had carried out searches on the homes of people associated with an investigation into ideologically motivated violent extremism.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/men-charged-national-socialist-network-terrorism-investigation-2021-4

remember when we were all scared shitless of Muslim terrorists?

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Date: 7/04/2021 23:10:26
From: Neophyte
ID: 1721793
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Two Australian men have been charged after police allegedly found a bomb and extremist material in a raid on the homes of neo-Nazi group members

Police have arrested two men for possessing an improvised explosive device and extremist material as the head of Australian neo-Nazi group claims that their members’ homes was raided by authorities.

On Wednesday evening, a South Australian Police spokesperson told Business Insider Australia that they had carried out searches on the homes of people associated with an investigation into ideologically motivated violent extremism.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/men-charged-national-socialist-network-terrorism-investigation-2021-4

remember when we were all scared shitless of Muslim terrorists?

Time for a new fridge magnet.

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Date: 8/04/2021 09:20:42
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1721900
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scotty says the govt agrees with all 55 recommendations put forth to combat inequality in the workplace.

Someone’s whispered in his ear, “hey Scotty, this is making you look really, really bad. And you have an election coming up…”

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Date: 8/04/2021 09:29:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1721908
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Scotty says the govt agrees with all 55 recommendations put forth to combat inequality in the workplace.

Someone’s whispered in his ear, “hey Scotty, this is making you look really, really bad. And you have an election coming up…”

Had to turn my TV off. Michalea Cash was on there lyiing through her teeth. Can’t wait until the election rolls around again.

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Date: 8/04/2021 09:46:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1721913
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/apr/08/whenever-the-chance-to-advocate-for-higher-wages-arises-the-morrison-government-declines

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Date: 8/04/2021 09:47:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1721914
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/apr/08/whenever-the-chance-to-advocate-for-higher-wages-arises-the-morrison-government-declines

There’s no profit iin that.

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Date: 8/04/2021 10:24:09
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1721936
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 8/04/2021 10:30:39
From: Michael V
ID: 1721943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



LOLOLOLOLz

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Date: 8/04/2021 10:56:30
From: buffy
ID: 1721955
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/cph-government-responds-to-respect-at-work/100055070

I wonder why there were exemptions in the discrimination legislation anyway?

>>The federal government will amend the Sex Discrimination Act to include politicians and judges, who have previously been exempt from the laws.<<

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Date: 8/04/2021 10:58:14
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1721956
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/cph-government-responds-to-respect-at-work/100055070

I wonder why there were exemptions in the discrimination legislation anyway?

>>The federal government will amend the Sex Discrimination Act to include politicians and judges, who have previously been exempt from the laws.<<

really?

the reasons there are exemptions is because they believe they the exempt groups should have had the right to hire and fire on what ever basis they want.

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:02:35
From: buffy
ID: 1721959
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/cph-government-responds-to-respect-at-work/100055070

I wonder why there were exemptions in the discrimination legislation anyway?

>>The federal government will amend the Sex Discrimination Act to include politicians and judges, who have previously been exempt from the laws.<<

really?

the reasons there are exemptions is because they believe they the exempt groups should have had the right to hire and fire on what ever basis they want.

Isn’t there an over arching anti discrimination act also, which includes discrimination on the grounds of gender?

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:03:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1721961
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/cph-government-responds-to-respect-at-work/100055070

I wonder why there were exemptions in the discrimination legislation anyway?

>>The federal government will amend the Sex Discrimination Act to include politicians and judges, who have previously been exempt from the laws.<<

They had to change it to allow the intervention.

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:05:48
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1721964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/cph-government-responds-to-respect-at-work/100055070

I wonder why there were exemptions in the discrimination legislation anyway?

>>The federal government will amend the Sex Discrimination Act to include politicians and judges, who have previously been exempt from the laws.<<

really?

the reasons there are exemptions is because they believe they the exempt groups should have had the right to hire and fire on what ever basis they want.

Isn’t there an over arching anti discrimination act also, which includes discrimination on the grounds of gender?

the sex discrimination act is that law

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:19:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721976
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Divine Angel said:

Scotty says the govt agrees with all 55 recommendations put forth to combat inequality in the workplace.

Someone’s whispered in his ear, “hey Scotty, this is making you look really, really bad. And you have an election coming up…”

Had to turn my TV off. Michalea Cash was on there lyiing through her teeth. Can’t wait until the election rolls around again.

agreeing and acting on are the same thing right

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:30:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1721981
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

diddly-squat said:

really?

the reasons there are exemptions is because they believe they the exempt groups should have had the right to hire and fire on what ever basis they want.

Isn’t there an over arching anti discrimination act also, which includes discrimination on the grounds of gender?

the sex discrimination act is that law

I just read the Act, and I can find no reference to exemption of Judges and Politicians. Religious bodies, on the other hand, are exempted.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2014C00002

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:35:43
From: dv
ID: 1721984
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:



Humorous

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:37:44
From: dv
ID: 1721986
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/cph-government-responds-to-respect-at-work/100055070

I wonder why there were exemptions in the discrimination legislation anyway?

>>The federal government will amend the Sex Discrimination Act to include politicians and judges, who have previously been exempt from the laws.<<

Probably because judges and politicians are of such high moral character that there’s no need to monitor their discriminatory practices

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Date: 8/04/2021 11:55:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1721991
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Australia’s being shamed again internationally:

Proposed US ban on kangaroo products raises industry fears it could bring out more ‘cowboys’

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/us-ban-commercial-shooting-kangaroo-leather-football-boots/100050994

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:01:42
From: Michael V
ID: 1721994
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Australia’s being shamed again internationally:

Proposed US ban on kangaroo products raises industry fears it could bring out more ‘cowboys’

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/us-ban-commercial-shooting-kangaroo-leather-football-boots/100050994

And this from the country that won’t ban guns that are used to kill humans and animals (hunting). And they call themselves Christians – they could well heed Matt 7:5.

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:03:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1721995
Subject: re: Aust Politics

but we quite like a good macropus steak

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:08:23
From: Michael V
ID: 1721996
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


but we quite like a good macropus steak

Yes, and roast upper leg, and tail, and mince, too.

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:12:47
From: party_pants
ID: 1721999
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kangaroos are not a domesticated species yet. it will take centuries of careful selective breeding before they become like cows or sheep and can be farmed in a similar way. Shooting them at night using a spottie is probably the best method available right now. You can’t just get them to line up nicely in the queue at the abattoir and await their turn at the stun gun.

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:17:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1722005
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Kangaroos are not a domesticated species yet. it will take centuries of careful selective breeding before they become like cows or sheep and can be farmed in a similar way. Shooting them at night using a spottie is probably the best method available right now. You can’t just get them to line up nicely in the queue at the abattoir and await their turn at the stun gun.

And if you round kangaroos up to send to the abattoirs, most die of fright in transit, seriously tainting the meat.

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:19:33
From: Cymek
ID: 1722008
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Kangaroos are not a domesticated species yet. it will take centuries of careful selective breeding before they become like cows or sheep and can be farmed in a similar way. Shooting them at night using a spottie is probably the best method available right now. You can’t just get them to line up nicely in the queue at the abattoir and await their turn at the stun gun.

And if you round kangaroos up to send to the abattoirs, most die of fright in transit, seriously tainting the meat.

Could you indoctrinate one with extreme religious views, get it to put a bomb in it pouch and then hop over to a bunch of them and blow up

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:21:23
From: party_pants
ID: 1722010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Kangaroos are not a domesticated species yet. it will take centuries of careful selective breeding before they become like cows or sheep and can be farmed in a similar way. Shooting them at night using a spottie is probably the best method available right now. You can’t just get them to line up nicely in the queue at the abattoir and await their turn at the stun gun.

And if you round kangaroos up to send to the abattoirs, most die of fright in transit, seriously tainting the meat.

Yeah, that is what I mean. you can’t round them up in a paddock and load them live onto a truck for transport to the abattoir. They just don’t do that sort of thing. You have decades or centuries ahead of you to selectively breed the animals that show the least signs of stress.

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:28:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1722013
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Kangaroos are not a domesticated species yet. it will take centuries of careful selective breeding before they become like cows or sheep and can be farmed in a similar way. Shooting them at night using a spottie is probably the best method available right now. You can’t just get them to line up nicely in the queue at the abattoir and await their turn at the stun gun.

And if you round kangaroos up to send to the abattoirs, most die of fright in transit, seriously tainting the meat.

Could you indoctrinate one with extreme religious views, get it to put a bomb in it pouch and then hop over to a bunch of them and blow up

you mean the Right Wing Economy Must Grow Worshippers is that correct

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:40:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1722020
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Kangaroos are not a domesticated species yet. it will take centuries of careful selective breeding before they become like cows or sheep and can be farmed in a similar way. Shooting them at night using a spottie is probably the best method available right now. You can’t just get them to line up nicely in the queue at the abattoir and await their turn at the stun gun.

And if you round kangaroos up to send to the abattoirs, most die of fright in transit, seriously tainting the meat.

Yeah, that is what I mean. you can’t round them up in a paddock and load them live onto a truck for transport to the abattoir. They just don’t do that sort of thing. You have decades or centuries ahead of you to selectively breed the animals that show the least signs of stress.

Interestingly, hand-reared kangaroos can be trained. I knew a bloke at Walgett that used to bring his kangaroo to work with him – pillion-riding on his motorbike. The pet used too hang around his work’s yard, grazing and sleeping in the shade, until time to ride home again.

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Date: 8/04/2021 12:43:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1722027
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

And if you round kangaroos up to send to the abattoirs, most die of fright in transit, seriously tainting the meat.

Yeah, that is what I mean. you can’t round them up in a paddock and load them live onto a truck for transport to the abattoir. They just don’t do that sort of thing. You have decades or centuries ahead of you to selectively breed the animals that show the least signs of stress.

Interestingly, hand-reared kangaroos can be trained. I knew a bloke at Walgett that used to bring his kangaroo to work with him – pillion-riding on his motorbike. The pet used too hang around his work’s yard, grazing and sleeping in the shade, until time to ride home again.

That’s interesting

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Date: 8/04/2021 13:17:36
From: dv
ID: 1722040
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Australia’s being shamed again internationally:

Proposed US ban on kangaroo products raises industry fears it could bring out more ‘cowboys’

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/us-ban-commercial-shooting-kangaroo-leather-football-boots/100050994

To be honest I think this should be more of an embarrassment to the US

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Date: 8/04/2021 14:11:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1722065
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

And if you round kangaroos up to send to the abattoirs, most die of fright in transit, seriously tainting the meat.

Yeah, that is what I mean. you can’t round them up in a paddock and load them live onto a truck for transport to the abattoir. They just don’t do that sort of thing. You have decades or centuries ahead of you to selectively breed the animals that show the least signs of stress.

Interestingly, hand-reared kangaroos can be trained. I knew a bloke at Walgett that used to bring his kangaroo to work with him – pillion-riding on his motorbike. The pet used too hang around his work’s yard, grazing and sleeping in the shade, until time to ride home again.

You need to raise the joey from very small to do that.

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Date: 8/04/2021 17:39:51
From: dv
ID: 1722157
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Whenever the chance to advocate for higher wages arises, the Morrison government declines

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/apr/08/whenever-the-chance-to-advocate-for-higher-wages-arises-the-morrison-government-declines?CMP=soc_567

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Date: 8/04/2021 17:43:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1722158
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Whenever the chance to advocate for higher wages arises, the Morrison government declines

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/apr/08/whenever-the-chance-to-advocate-for-higher-wages-arises-the-morrison-government-declines?CMP=soc_567

In other news, water is wet.

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Date: 9/04/2021 04:46:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1722306
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Prominent legal professionals have argued that the prosecution of Witness K and Bernard Collaery is targeted at the wrong people and has served only to keep the guilty parties “seemingly above the law” and out of reach of public scrutiny.

A cohort of leading lawyers including former NSW Director of Public Prosecutions and immediate past president of the Law Council of Australia has slammed the Morrison government and former attorney-general Christian Porter for pursuing a prosecution intended to secure “payback for embarrassment” to the Coalition.

Delivering his verdict during an online event hosted by the Australian National University, barrister and former Director of Public Prosecutions Nicholas Cowdery said that while crimes are prosecuted to punish those who cause harm, “here those being persecuted are people who exposed harm the government did in our name” and that, due to their embarrassment, “the wrong parties are being prosecuted”.

In Witness K’s case, he is being prosecuted for actions done after he sought permission from the Inspector-General of Intelligence, who consented to him talking to lawyer Bernard Collaery about his role in the bugging of Timor-Leste. Despite this, both are prosecuted in a way that Mr Cowdery said, “serves to undermine the community’s confidence in the criminal justice process”, which may fail.

“What message does that send to the public? That we should always turn a blind eye to official misconduct? That if we do blow the whistle, we can expect no support – and worse – from the authorities? Rather than these prosecutions serving the public interest, they harm the public interest,” Mr Cowdery said. “We the elector of the Commonwealth have a right to know if our government has done the wrong thing.”

Mr Cowdery said it is “seriously concerning” that Mr Porter – as a member of the cabinet and as a member of the same party that was in power during the reported events – could hold the role of approving the prosecution and lobbying for the trials to be held in secrecy, despite the critical practice of open justice.

Human Rights Law Centre senior lawyer Kieran Pender said that the prosecutions are having a “chilling effect” on Australians who witness wrongdoing and are considering speaking up. It also raises concerns about the prosecutions because of a longstanding legal rule that there can be no secrecy around wrongdoing.

“The failure of federal whistleblowing laws to adequately protect intelligence whistleblowers, and the message the Morrison government sends to all whistleblowers when it prosecutes Witness K and Mr Collaery, is chilling,” Mr Pender said. “When whistleblowers suffer, our democracy suffers.”

Through the extent that the NSI Act requires the case to be conducted behind closed doors “offends the basis of open justice,” said Law Council former president Pauline Wright. She added that justice must take place in the open, especially when the case itself deals with freedom of speech, open justice and equality before the law.

“Secrecy or suppression is only ever appropriate in carefully considered, exceptional cases,” Ms Wright said, adding that the “avoidance of public embarrassment is not sufficient justification to warrant secrecy”, especially as, to date, there has been no credible evidence of Australia being under threat if the trial is held in open court.

Ms Wright mirrored Mr Cowdery in condemning the people who had actually carried out the bugging and are “seemingly above the law” while the government focuses its attention on Witness K and Mr Collaery. She said that these attacks on lawyers doing their job are a “dangerous threat on the fundamental tenant” of justice.

Ms Wright also took aim at Mr Porter who should have used his responsibilities to ensure that Australian justice operated apolitically. She also criticised the opposition who have yet to take a stand against the prosecution because of their own gains.

“There’s a really important role that oppositions play in holding the government of the day to account, but where you have a silent opposition that doesn’t call out these bad laws, that don’t challenge them, that doesn’t oppose them robustly because it perhaps thinks it wants to use them one day when they are in power, that whole system of governmental accountability gets out of whack,” Ms Wright said.

Ms Wright added it is why lawyers have an important role in the future of the prosecution and the future of secrecy in matters of national security.

“We should be standing up and defending the balance of those powers. We’re attacked for doing our jobs. The justice system rests on a free foundation. When we are under attack, the whole system comes under attack. We have got to defend it,” she said.

https://www.lawyersweekly.com.au/biglaw/31058-guilty-parties-remain-free-in-chilling-witness-k-prosecution

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Date: 9/04/2021 05:39:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1722307
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Gas-Led Recovery is a steaming pile of hot air!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SahEbl4Yo

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Date: 9/04/2021 06:41:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1722312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

targeted at the wrong people and has served only to keep the guilty parties “seemingly above the law” and out of reach of public scrutiny.

https://www.lawyersweekly.com.au/biglaw/31058-guilty-parties-remain-free-in-chilling-witness-k-prosecution

wonder if the USSA rattling tins about CHINA while getting massively infiltrated by Russia might look similar

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Date: 9/04/2021 07:05:47
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1722315
Subject: re: Aust Politics

That’s… not how this is supposed to work.

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Date: 9/04/2021 12:55:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1722432
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 9/04/2021 12:57:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1722434
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



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Date: 9/04/2021 13:44:54
From: dv
ID: 1722450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

‘A bloody outrage’: Leaving Aussies stranded a breach of human rights, says Alexander Downer

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/a-bloody-outrage-leaving-aussies-stranded-a-breach-of-human-rights-says-alexander-downer-20210407-p57hbi.html

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Date: 9/04/2021 13:48:34
From: Cymek
ID: 1722451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

An Aboriginal man who died in Victoria’s largest jail last month gained 140 kilograms over his three years in the prison system, a coronial court has been told

Bloody hell, I’d have thought food availability in prison would make this hard

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Date: 9/04/2021 14:28:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1722476
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


‘A bloody outrage’: Leaving Aussies stranded a breach of human rights, says Alexander Downer

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/a-bloody-outrage-leaving-aussies-stranded-a-breach-of-human-rights-says-alexander-downer-20210407-p57hbi.html

Have the Labor party now moved further right than olden days Liberals?

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Date: 9/04/2021 14:39:00
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1722479
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

‘A bloody outrage’: Leaving Aussies stranded a breach of human rights, says Alexander Downer

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/a-bloody-outrage-leaving-aussies-stranded-a-breach-of-human-rights-says-alexander-downer-20210407-p57hbi.html

Have the Labor party now moved further right than olden days Liberals?

What have they done now?

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Date: 9/04/2021 14:41:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1722480
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

‘A bloody outrage’: Leaving Aussies stranded a breach of human rights, says Alexander Downer

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/a-bloody-outrage-leaving-aussies-stranded-a-breach-of-human-rights-says-alexander-downer-20210407-p57hbi.html

Have the Labor party now moved further right than olden days Liberals?

What have they done now?

probably just some former Liberal joker wanting to get free travel in a pandemic time

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Date: 9/04/2021 17:51:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1722561
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

‘A bloody outrage’: Leaving Aussies stranded a breach of human rights, says Alexander Downer

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/a-bloody-outrage-leaving-aussies-stranded-a-breach-of-human-rights-says-alexander-downer-20210407-p57hbi.html

Have the Labor party now moved further right than olden days Liberals?

What have they done now?

probably just some former Liberal joker wanting to get free travel in a pandemic time

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Date: 10/04/2021 07:31:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1722831
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Here you go, buffy. I have it bookmarked.

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Date: 10/04/2021 07:40:20
From: Michael V
ID: 1722835
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Buffy, in chat said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/governments-credentials-managing-covid-turning-to-dust-vaccine/100059282

Laura Tingle

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Date: 10/04/2021 10:43:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1722906
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Buffy, in chat said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/governments-credentials-managing-covid-turning-to-dust-vaccine/100059282

Laura Tingle

like.

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Date: 10/04/2021 10:43:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1722907
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 10/04/2021 10:46:40
From: Michael V
ID: 1722908
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



giggle

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Date: 10/04/2021 10:49:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1722911
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A little smile always comes to my face when I see it happening again, the Lefties believing their own propaganda.

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Date: 10/04/2021 10:52:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1722912
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


A little smile always comes to my face when I see it happening again, the Lefties believing their own propaganda.

that isn’t a smile but an idiot grin.

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Date: 10/04/2021 11:06:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1722916
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


A little smile always comes to my face when I see it happening again, the Lefties believing their own propaganda.

Any particular leftist propaganda bringing a smile to your face this morning?

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Date: 10/04/2021 11:06:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1722917
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 10/04/2021 11:22:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1722920
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

A little smile always comes to my face when I see it happening again, the Lefties believing their own propaganda.

Any particular leftist propaganda bringing a smile to your face this morning?

Is there any leftist left?

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Date: 10/04/2021 11:51:37
From: dv
ID: 1722924
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 10/04/2021 11:58:34
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1722927
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



That looks like stenographer short-hand. If so, what does it say?

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Date: 10/04/2021 11:59:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1722928
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



LOL. Pocket posting.

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Date: 10/04/2021 20:32:06
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723118
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/lets-talk-about-the-dudes-dudes/

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Date: 10/04/2021 20:41:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723120
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://theshot.net.au/national/how-good-is-gaslighting-morrisons-new-18m-ad-campaign-telling-women-theyre-responsible-for-policing-mens-actions-is-a-dangerous-disgrace/

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Date: 10/04/2021 21:16:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723131
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

https://theshot.net.au/national/how-good-is-gaslighting-morrisons-new-18m-ad-campaign-telling-women-theyre-responsible-for-policing-mens-actions-is-a-dangerous-disgrace/

and they’ll vote for him again next time because they want it

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Date: 10/04/2021 23:20:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723157
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A MAJORITY LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WILL:

Deliver a 50% increase in annual funding to arts organisations to support our vibrant artists to engage and inspire audiences and to deliver certainty and confidence for our cultural and creative industries. Provide $8 million for a new Events Support and Attraction Fund to secure existing events and festivals, and attract new, exciting events for Tasmania. Invest an additional $200,000 for small grants program of up to $2000 to support Tasmanian artists returning to the ‘gig economy.’

more…
https://tas.liberal.org.au/securing-tasmanias-future-supporting-arts-and-our-creative-industries

So Rosehaven cost the Tas Govt. $2.45mill…

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Date: 11/04/2021 04:30:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


A MAJORITY LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WILL:

Deliver a 50% increase in annual funding to arts organisations to support our vibrant artists to engage and inspire audiences and to deliver certainty and confidence for our cultural and creative industries. Provide $8 million for a new Events Support and Attraction Fund to secure existing events and festivals, and attract new, exciting events for Tasmania. Invest an additional $200,000 for small grants program of up to $2000 to support Tasmanian artists returning to the ‘gig economy.’

more…
https://tas.liberal.org.au/securing-tasmanias-future-supporting-arts-and-our-creative-industries

So Rosehaven cost the Tas Govt. $2.45mill…

Also for silly media context,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-03/workers-lose-out-in-gig-economy-researcher/8667674
https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/australias-gig-economy.-is-work-on-demand-the-new/10103320
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11571170
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/australias-gig-economy-and-casual-workforce-in-the/13142070
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/newsradio/gig-economy-has-boosted-employment-during-pandemic/13290088

there’s money to be made in the gig economy with Uber Eats delivery drivers earning nearly ten percent more than the minimum wage. That’s according to Uber-commissioned research by Accenture, which has found workers typically earned $21-$55 an hour after costs last year

lol fkus what’s that bullshit, what’s a casual loading again, 25% was it, way to sell workers underpayment as a bonus

maybe the $55 is much more common and they’ve weighted averaged it

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Date: 11/04/2021 09:16:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723192
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Olish The States

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-11/nt-calls-for-kakadu-investment-to-be-fast-tracked/100054140

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Date: 11/04/2021 09:22:10
From: Tamb
ID: 1723194
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Olish The States

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-11/nt-calls-for-kakadu-investment-to-be-fast-tracked/100054140


IMO Due to Covid, tourist numbers are way down so it’s right to reevaluate tourism spending.

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Date: 11/04/2021 09:33:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1723200
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Louis Rossman really doesn’t like how Apple does things:

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aB2dr4O_460svav1.mp4

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:11:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723331
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Queensland

The two-party preferred (TPP) vote in Queensland shows a drop from 58.44% at the 2019 election to 53%, the Newspoll analysis shows. If that swing eventuated at the next election, Dickson (Peter Dutton), Brisbane (Trevor Evans), Leichhardt (Warren Entsch) and Longman (Terry Young) would all be in doubt.

Labor wants more – Forde remains one of its target seats, along with Flynn, where the hope rests on a wildly popular local mayor candidate.

But ultimately, when it comes to Queensland, just improving the primary vote is the main goal of the opposition – along with ensuring it wins two Senate spots.
Western Australia

The swing against the government is, at this stage, even bigger in Western Australia, where the state Liberal party has been reduced to just two seats in the lower house, and federally, its remaining big names – Christian Porter and Linda Reynolds – are less visible and unlikely to be used to garner party support.
Advertisement

The TPP has moved from the election high of 55.55% at the last election, to 47% in the last quarter – a swing of 8.55%. Stirling (held by Vince Connelly) has already been earmarked for abolishment by the AEC, but Swan, held by Steve Irons, Ken Wyatt’s seat of Hasluck and Porter’s seat of Pearce would be lost if the anti-Liberal mood was applied uniformly.

Labor has been hoping for at least two more seats in WA. It’s hoping some of Mark McGowan’s local magic will rub off, but is more focused on the Liberal brand having taken a hit (the WA Nationals do not hold any federal seats).

Both Queensland and Western Australia remain crucial to the government’s re-election prospects – the resource states are the only two jurisdictions the federal government has won a majority of electorates for the last two elections.
South Australia

The Liberal premier, Steven Marshall, looks to be the first Covid leader in trouble at an election, and the Coalition’s vote has dropped 4.29% to 45% in the last few months. That puts Boothby, where Nicolle Flint has already announced her plans to step down at the next election, in the picture.
Rest of the nation

The rest of the nation is pretty much a zero-sum game, although Tasmania, the current focus of politicos with the north once again showing signs of electoral moodiness, could mean Bass is a potential Labor gain. Labor is also eyeing off Braddon again, but risks losing Lyons. The Northern Territory, where Labor holds both seats, isn’t expected to change.

more…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/postpone-the-poll-why-the-coalition-is-suddenly-looking-rattled

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:16:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723333
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A single company running Australia’s offshore processing regime on Nauru has been paid more than $1.4bn over the past five years, with an additional $221m added two months ago, despite no new asylum seeker arrivals on the island since 2014, and a steadily diminishing number of people it is responsible for.

The original contract awarded to Canstruct was worth just $8m in October 2017 but this was amended almost immediately – increased by 4,500% to $385m just a month after being signed.

Since then, government figures show, six further amendments have escalated the cost to taxpayers to $1.419bn, a total increase of more than 17,600%.

The latest amendment to the contract was in January this year, for another $221m, to continue to operate on the island until the middle of 2021.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/brisbane-company-paid-14bn-to-run-offshore-processing-on-nauru-despite-no-arrivals-since-2014

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:21:21
From: dv
ID: 1723338
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Queensland

The two-party preferred (TPP) vote in Queensland shows a drop from 58.44% at the 2019 election to 53%, the Newspoll analysis shows. If that swing eventuated at the next election, Dickson (Peter Dutton), Brisbane (Trevor Evans), Leichhardt (Warren Entsch) and Longman (Terry Young) would all be in doubt.

Labor wants more – Forde remains one of its target seats, along with Flynn, where the hope rests on a wildly popular local mayor candidate.

But ultimately, when it comes to Queensland, just improving the primary vote is the main goal of the opposition – along with ensuring it wins two Senate spots.
Western Australia

The swing against the government is, at this stage, even bigger in Western Australia, where the state Liberal party has been reduced to just two seats in the lower house, and federally, its remaining big names – Christian Porter and Linda Reynolds – are less visible and unlikely to be used to garner party support.
Advertisement

The TPP has moved from the election high of 55.55% at the last election, to 47% in the last quarter – a swing of 8.55%. Stirling (held by Vince Connelly) has already been earmarked for abolishment by the AEC, but Swan, held by Steve Irons, Ken Wyatt’s seat of Hasluck and Porter’s seat of Pearce would be lost if the anti-Liberal mood was applied uniformly.

Labor has been hoping for at least two more seats in WA. It’s hoping some of Mark McGowan’s local magic will rub off, but is more focused on the Liberal brand having taken a hit (the WA Nationals do not hold any federal seats).

Both Queensland and Western Australia remain crucial to the government’s re-election prospects – the resource states are the only two jurisdictions the federal government has won a majority of electorates for the last two elections.
South Australia

The Liberal premier, Steven Marshall, looks to be the first Covid leader in trouble at an election, and the Coalition’s vote has dropped 4.29% to 45% in the last few months. That puts Boothby, where Nicolle Flint has already announced her plans to step down at the next election, in the picture.
Rest of the nation

The rest of the nation is pretty much a zero-sum game, although Tasmania, the current focus of politicos with the north once again showing signs of electoral moodiness, could mean Bass is a potential Labor gain. Labor is also eyeing off Braddon again, but risks losing Lyons. The Northern Territory, where Labor holds both seats, isn’t expected to change.

more…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/postpone-the-poll-why-the-coalition-is-suddenly-looking-rattled

Yeah but you just know some bullshit will come along and save them.

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:23:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723340
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

Queensland

The two-party preferred (TPP) vote in Queensland shows a drop from 58.44% at the 2019 election to 53%, the Newspoll analysis shows. If that swing eventuated at the next election, Dickson (Peter Dutton), Brisbane (Trevor Evans), Leichhardt (Warren Entsch) and Longman (Terry Young) would all be in doubt.

Labor wants more – Forde remains one of its target seats, along with Flynn, where the hope rests on a wildly popular local mayor candidate.

But ultimately, when it comes to Queensland, just improving the primary vote is the main goal of the opposition – along with ensuring it wins two Senate spots.
Western Australia

The swing against the government is, at this stage, even bigger in Western Australia, where the state Liberal party has been reduced to just two seats in the lower house, and federally, its remaining big names – Christian Porter and Linda Reynolds – are less visible and unlikely to be used to garner party support.
Advertisement

The TPP has moved from the election high of 55.55% at the last election, to 47% in the last quarter – a swing of 8.55%. Stirling (held by Vince Connelly) has already been earmarked for abolishment by the AEC, but Swan, held by Steve Irons, Ken Wyatt’s seat of Hasluck and Porter’s seat of Pearce would be lost if the anti-Liberal mood was applied uniformly.

Labor has been hoping for at least two more seats in WA. It’s hoping some of Mark McGowan’s local magic will rub off, but is more focused on the Liberal brand having taken a hit (the WA Nationals do not hold any federal seats).

Both Queensland and Western Australia remain crucial to the government’s re-election prospects – the resource states are the only two jurisdictions the federal government has won a majority of electorates for the last two elections.
South Australia

The Liberal premier, Steven Marshall, looks to be the first Covid leader in trouble at an election, and the Coalition’s vote has dropped 4.29% to 45% in the last few months. That puts Boothby, where Nicolle Flint has already announced her plans to step down at the next election, in the picture.
Rest of the nation

The rest of the nation is pretty much a zero-sum game, although Tasmania, the current focus of politicos with the north once again showing signs of electoral moodiness, could mean Bass is a potential Labor gain. Labor is also eyeing off Braddon again, but risks losing Lyons. The Northern Territory, where Labor holds both seats, isn’t expected to change.

more…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/postpone-the-poll-why-the-coalition-is-suddenly-looking-rattled

Yeah but you just know some bullshit will come along and save them.

It’s not over until the last child is thrown overboard.

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:28:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1723342
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


A single company running Australia’s offshore processing regime on Nauru has been paid more than $1.4bn over the past five years, with an additional $221m added two months ago, despite no new asylum seeker arrivals on the island since 2014, and a steadily diminishing number of people it is responsible for.

The original contract awarded to Canstruct was worth just $8m in October 2017 but this was amended almost immediately – increased by 4,500% to $385m just a month after being signed.

Since then, government figures show, six further amendments have escalated the cost to taxpayers to $1.419bn, a total increase of more than 17,600%.

The latest amendment to the contract was in January this year, for another $221m, to continue to operate on the island until the middle of 2021.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/brisbane-company-paid-14bn-to-run-offshore-processing-on-nauru-despite-no-arrivals-since-2014

Madness.

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:32:27
From: dv
ID: 1723345
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

A single company running Australia’s offshore processing regime on Nauru has been paid more than $1.4bn over the past five years, with an additional $221m added two months ago, despite no new asylum seeker arrivals on the island since 2014, and a steadily diminishing number of people it is responsible for.

The original contract awarded to Canstruct was worth just $8m in October 2017 but this was amended almost immediately – increased by 4,500% to $385m just a month after being signed.

Since then, government figures show, six further amendments have escalated the cost to taxpayers to $1.419bn, a total increase of more than 17,600%.

The latest amendment to the contract was in January this year, for another $221m, to continue to operate on the island until the middle of 2021.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/brisbane-company-paid-14bn-to-run-offshore-processing-on-nauru-despite-no-arrivals-since-2014

Madness.

Holy shit

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:35:05
From: Michael V
ID: 1723347
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


A single company running Australia’s offshore processing regime on Nauru has been paid more than $1.4bn over the past five years, with an additional $221m added two months ago, despite no new asylum seeker arrivals on the island since 2014, and a steadily diminishing number of people it is responsible for.

The original contract awarded to Canstruct was worth just $8m in October 2017 but this was amended almost immediately – increased by 4,500% to $385m just a month after being signed.

Since then, government figures show, six further amendments have escalated the cost to taxpayers to $1.419bn, a total increase of more than 17,600%.

The latest amendment to the contract was in January this year, for another $221m, to continue to operate on the island until the middle of 2021.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/brisbane-company-paid-14bn-to-run-offshore-processing-on-nauru-despite-no-arrivals-since-2014

Makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy inside to learn that their taxes are subsidising commercial companies so generously.

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:37:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1723349
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

A single company running Australia’s offshore processing regime on Nauru has been paid more than $1.4bn over the past five years, with an additional $221m added two months ago, despite no new asylum seeker arrivals on the island since 2014, and a steadily diminishing number of people it is responsible for.

The original contract awarded to Canstruct was worth just $8m in October 2017 but this was amended almost immediately – increased by 4,500% to $385m just a month after being signed.

Since then, government figures show, six further amendments have escalated the cost to taxpayers to $1.419bn, a total increase of more than 17,600%.

The latest amendment to the contract was in January this year, for another $221m, to continue to operate on the island until the middle of 2021.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/brisbane-company-paid-14bn-to-run-offshore-processing-on-nauru-despite-no-arrivals-since-2014

Makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy inside to learn that their taxes are subsidising commercial companies so generously.

Makes me jealous. How can I get a contract like this?

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Date: 11/04/2021 13:39:45
From: Michael V
ID: 1723353
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

A single company running Australia’s offshore processing regime on Nauru has been paid more than $1.4bn over the past five years, with an additional $221m added two months ago, despite no new asylum seeker arrivals on the island since 2014, and a steadily diminishing number of people it is responsible for.

The original contract awarded to Canstruct was worth just $8m in October 2017 but this was amended almost immediately – increased by 4,500% to $385m just a month after being signed.

Since then, government figures show, six further amendments have escalated the cost to taxpayers to $1.419bn, a total increase of more than 17,600%.

The latest amendment to the contract was in January this year, for another $221m, to continue to operate on the island until the middle of 2021.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/brisbane-company-paid-14bn-to-run-offshore-processing-on-nauru-despite-no-arrivals-since-2014

Makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy inside to learn that their taxes are subsidising commercial companies so generously.

Makes me jealous. How can I get a contract like this?

;)

It’s not what you know, but who you know.

;)

;)

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Date: 11/04/2021 14:32:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723377
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Queensland

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/postpone-the-poll-why-the-coalition-is-suddenly-looking-rattled

Yeah but you just know some bullshit will come along and save them.

It’s not over until the last child is thrown overboard.

you people are all fkn sick*
but probably absolutely correct

*: and not in the “fully sick” ferric way

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:12:04
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723565
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The TV is warning me not to vote for another Green/Labor minority government.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:14:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1723566
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:


PM abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated by the end of the year

by political reporter Jane Norman
Scott Morrison says given the uncertainties around the AstraZeneca vaccine, the federal government can no longer set targets for the delivery of COVID-19 vaccinations.’

Coming soon:

‘PM says “all you peasants can get f***ed. Everyone who matters already has theirs”.’

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:17:04
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1723567
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The TV is warning me not to vote for another Green/Labor minority government.

my guess is you’ll do as you damn well please. : )

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:18:15
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1723568
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The TV is warning me not to vote for another Green/Labor minority government.

Tell it where it can stick its opinions.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:18:23
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1723569
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:


PM abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated by the end of the year

by political reporter Jane Norman
Scott Morrison says given the uncertainties around the AstraZeneca vaccine, the federal government can no longer set targets for the delivery of COVID-19 vaccinations.’

Coming soon:

‘PM says “all you peasants can get f***ed. Everyone who matters already has theirs”.’

The most vulnerable have been used as guinea pigs really and frontline workers.

let’s home the story has a happy ending.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:19:24
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1723570
Subject: re: Aust Politics

let’s home = let’s hope

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:20:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1723571
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


captain_spalding said:

ABC News:


PM abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated by the end of the year

by political reporter Jane Norman
Scott Morrison says given the uncertainties around the AstraZeneca vaccine, the federal government can no longer set targets for the delivery of COVID-19 vaccinations.’

Coming soon:

‘PM says “all you peasants can get f***ed. Everyone who matters already has theirs”.’

The most vulnerable have been used as guinea pigs really and frontline workers.

let’s home the story has a happy ending.

Maybe we’ll be allowed to go to New Zealand to be vaccinated.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:20:48
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723572
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


captain_spalding said:

ABC News:


PM abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated by the end of the year

by political reporter Jane Norman
Scott Morrison says given the uncertainties around the AstraZeneca vaccine, the federal government can no longer set targets for the delivery of COVID-19 vaccinations.’

Coming soon:

‘PM says “all you peasants can get f***ed. Everyone who matters already has theirs”.’

The most vulnerable have been used as guinea pigs really and frontline workers.

let’s home the story has a happy ending.

why are they guinea pigs?

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:27:20
From: sibeen
ID: 1723574
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


monkey skipper said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:


PM abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated by the end of the year

by political reporter Jane Norman
Scott Morrison says given the uncertainties around the AstraZeneca vaccine, the federal government can no longer set targets for the delivery of COVID-19 vaccinations.’

Coming soon:

‘PM says “all you peasants can get f***ed. Everyone who matters already has theirs”.’

The most vulnerable have been used as guinea pigs really and frontline workers.

let’s home the story has a happy ending.

Maybe we’ll be allowed to go to New Zealand to be vaccinated.

Yeah, they’ve given a vaccine dose to about 70 thousand people. They’ll send you straight to the front of the queue.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:27:27
From: party_pants
ID: 1723575
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The TV is warning me not to vote for another Green/Labor minority government.

Nah, go on, do it, it will be fun!

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:29:45
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1723576
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


monkey skipper said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:


PM abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated by the end of the year

by political reporter Jane Norman
Scott Morrison says given the uncertainties around the AstraZeneca vaccine, the federal government can no longer set targets for the delivery of COVID-19 vaccinations.’

Coming soon:

‘PM says “all you peasants can get f***ed. Everyone who matters already has theirs”.’

The most vulnerable have been used as guinea pigs really and frontline workers.

let’s home the story has a happy ending.

Maybe we’ll be allowed to go to New Zealand to be vaccinated.

I think it is “normal” to have some fine tuning in the vaccines for the covid 19 viruses , given there has been refinement in the well known vaccines , like whooping cough as they develop better options to help reduce the risks for people reacting to a vaccine, which of course is not eliminated but the aim is the reduce those risk. Understanding all medication and indeed foods have side effects when we use or consume them, even water if consumed in excessive volumes has a side effect.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:30:29
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1723577
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


monkey skipper said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:


PM abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated by the end of the year

by political reporter Jane Norman
Scott Morrison says given the uncertainties around the AstraZeneca vaccine, the federal government can no longer set targets for the delivery of COVID-19 vaccinations.’

Coming soon:

‘PM says “all you peasants can get f***ed. Everyone who matters already has theirs”.’

The most vulnerable have been used as guinea pigs really and frontline workers.

let’s home the story has a happy ending.

why are they guinea pigs?

first en masse groups to be exposed to the vaccines after the test trials.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:33:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723579
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

The TV is warning me not to vote for another Green/Labor minority government.

Nah, go on, do it, it will be fun!

I noted they are not warning me about a Liberal/Green minority government.
We’ve had one of them in the past.

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:33:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723580
Subject: re: Aust Politics

monkey skipper said:


JudgeMental said:

monkey skipper said:

The most vulnerable have been used as guinea pigs really and frontline workers.

let’s home the story has a happy ending.

why are they guinea pigs?

first en masse groups to be exposed to the vaccines after the test trials.

and…

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Date: 11/04/2021 20:44:20
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1723581
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


monkey skipper said:

JudgeMental said:

why are they guinea pigs?

first en masse groups to be exposed to the vaccines after the test trials.

and…

The good thing is having more than one vaccine to choose from.

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Date: 12/04/2021 06:17:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1723666
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The government is accused of pressuring experts who questioned its gas-fired recovery plan, Four Corners can reveal

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Date: 12/04/2021 09:11:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723728
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The government is accused of pressuring experts who questioned its gas-fired recovery plan, Four Corners can reveal

Also,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/nsw-police-denied-travel-interview-christian-porter-accuser/100061776

imagine if we had systems to hold government to account, imagine if any of this could stick

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Date: 12/04/2021 09:13:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1723729
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

The government is accused of pressuring experts who questioned its gas-fired recovery plan, Four Corners can reveal

Also,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/nsw-police-denied-travel-interview-christian-porter-accuser/100061776

imagine if we had systems to hold government to account, imagine if any of this could stick

Probably very few would put their hands up to be elected?

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Date: 12/04/2021 09:14:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723730
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The government is accused of pressuring experts who questioned its gas-fired recovery plan, Four Corners can reveal

Also,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/nsw-police-denied-travel-interview-christian-porter-accuser/100061776

imagine if we had systems to hold government to account, imagine if any of this could stick

Probably very few would put their hands up to be elected?

what for a respectable job of integrity fuck that, we’d be in, but nobody votes for integrity

otherwise 2019 might have been different eh

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Date: 12/04/2021 09:43:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1723732
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Also,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/nsw-police-denied-travel-interview-christian-porter-accuser/100061776

imagine if we had systems to hold government to account, imagine if any of this could stick

Probably very few would put their hands up to be elected?

what for a respectable job of integrity fuck that, we’d be in, but nobody votes for integrity

otherwise 2019 might have been different eh

Nobody?

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Date: 12/04/2021 09:44:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1723733
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Probably very few would put their hands up to be elected?

what for a respectable job of integrity fuck that, we’d be in, but nobody votes for integrity

otherwise 2019 might have been different eh

Nobody?

Yes I’d question that as well.

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Date: 12/04/2021 10:23:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723747
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

what for a respectable job of integrity fuck that, we’d be in, but on average nobody votes for integrity

otherwise 2019 might have been different eh

Nobody?

Yes I’d question that as well.

phyxt

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Date: 12/04/2021 11:28:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723756
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Gas-Led Recovery is a steaming pile of hot air!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SahEbl4Yo
——

We are the world’s leading exporter of gas.
We are going to get 5 import terminals for gas? Because we need to import some of the gas we are exporting?

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Date: 12/04/2021 11:30:42
From: dv
ID: 1723757
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The government is accused of pressuring experts who questioned its gas-fired recovery plan, Four Corners can reveal

Seems like gaslighting

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Date: 12/04/2021 11:33:45
From: Michael V
ID: 1723759
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

roughbarked said:


The government is accused of pressuring experts who questioned its gas-fired recovery plan, Four Corners can reveal

Seems like gaslighting

Polite clap.

:)

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Date: 12/04/2021 11:41:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1723762
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Gas-Led Recovery is a steaming pile of hot air!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SahEbl4Yo
——

We are the world’s leading exporter of gas.
We are going to get 5 import terminals for gas? Because we need to import some of the gas we are exporting?

Yes. Because the gas is produced in remote areas off NT and WA where not many people live. Gas is needed in bulk quantities on the east coast where all the peoples are.

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Date: 12/04/2021 11:48:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723767
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

Gas-Led Recovery is a steaming pile of hot air!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SahEbl4Yo
——

We are the world’s leading exporter of gas.
We are going to get 5 import terminals for gas? Because we need to import some of the gas we are exporting?

Yes. Because the gas is produced in remote areas off NT and WA where not many people live. Gas is needed in bulk quantities on the east coast where all the peoples are.

That’s a lot of new infrastructure for the govt to pay for..for a market that should be shrinking by the day.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:05:36
From: party_pants
ID: 1723783
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Gas-Led Recovery is a steaming pile of hot air!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SahEbl4Yo
——

We are the world’s leading exporter of gas.
We are going to get 5 import terminals for gas? Because we need to import some of the gas we are exporting?

Yes. Because the gas is produced in remote areas off NT and WA where not many people live. Gas is needed in bulk quantities on the east coast where all the peoples are.

That’s a lot of new infrastructure for the govt to pay for..for a market that should be shrinking by the day.

Yes, that is probably true. I think we’re about 20 years late to be building this new gas infrastructure now. We should have already had it in place now, and the discussion should be about how we are going to phase out gas over the next 20 years and get towards fully renewable energy. But politics.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:08:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723787
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yes. Because the gas is produced in remote areas off NT and WA where not many people live. Gas is needed in bulk quantities on the east coast where all the peoples are.

That’s a lot of new infrastructure for the govt to pay for..for a market that should be shrinking by the day.

Yes, that is probably true. I think we’re about 20 years late to be building this new gas infrastructure now. We should have already had it in place now, and the discussion should be about how we are going to phase out gas over the next 20 years and get towards fully renewable energy. But politics.

Lobbyists win.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:12:22
From: sibeen
ID: 1723793
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Yes. Because the gas is produced in remote areas off NT and WA where not many people live. Gas is needed in bulk quantities on the east coast where all the peoples are.

That’s a lot of new infrastructure for the govt to pay for..for a market that should be shrinking by the day.

Yes, that is probably true. I think we’re about 20 years late to be building this new gas infrastructure now. We should have already had it in place now, and the discussion should be about how we are going to phase out gas over the next 20 years and get towards fully renewable energy. But politics.

But we need the infrastructure in place to replace the energy from hydrocarbons. The technology to actually achieve that is really only becoming available now, and you don’t then go from zero to full blown renewables in an instant.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:20:03
From: party_pants
ID: 1723801
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

That’s a lot of new infrastructure for the govt to pay for..for a market that should be shrinking by the day.

Yes, that is probably true. I think we’re about 20 years late to be building this new gas infrastructure now. We should have already had it in place now, and the discussion should be about how we are going to phase out gas over the next 20 years and get towards fully renewable energy. But politics.

But we need the infrastructure in place to replace the energy from hydrocarbons. The technology to actually achieve that is really only becoming available now, and you don’t then go from zero to full blown renewables in an instant.

I agree we are not going to do this in an instant. But doing it this way we are going to end up with a lot of stranded assets. The lifespan of the investment will be less than 20 years.

We are going to have to switch to renewable energy by 2050-ish whether we like it or not because trade barriers and tariffs and restrictions will be imposed on us otherwise.
This big gas infrastructure plan won’t be completed till about 2030, which is where I get the 20 year lifespan from.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:27:47
From: Woodie
ID: 1723807
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

Yes, that is probably true. I think we’re about 20 years late to be building this new gas infrastructure now. We should have already had it in place now, and the discussion should be about how we are going to phase out gas over the next 20 years and get towards fully renewable energy. But politics.

Where’s Rex Connor and Tirath Khemlani when ya need ‘em, hey what but!

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:32:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1723815
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:33:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723817
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

not even with an integrated grid? I mean it is usually sunny and/or windy somewhere on the grid.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:34:27
From: Woodie
ID: 1723820
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

not even with an integrated grid? I mean it is usually sunny and/or windy somewhere on the grid.

There’s always that 1 in a 100 year event, but.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:34:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723821
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Yes, that is probably true. I think we’re about 20 years late to be building this new gas infrastructure now. We should have already had it in place now, and the discussion should be about how we are going to phase out gas over the next 20 years and get towards fully renewable energy. But politics.

But we need the infrastructure in place to replace the energy from hydrocarbons. The technology to actually achieve that is really only becoming available now, and you don’t then go from zero to full blown renewables in an instant.

I agree we are not going to do this in an instant. But doing it this way we are going to end up with a lot of stranded assets. The lifespan of the investment will be less than 20 years.

We are going to have to switch to renewable energy by 2050-ish whether we like it or not because trade barriers and tariffs and restrictions will be imposed on us otherwise.
This big gas infrastructure plan won’t be completed till about 2030, which is where I get the 20 year lifespan from.

We are throwing the money at gas.
We are still talking down renewables and we have spent 50 years on the most part stifling their development.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:36:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1723822
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

not even with an integrated grid? I mean it is usually sunny and/or windy somewhere on the grid.

Not even giving it a good damned try? (Scotland hit 97% renewable instead of 100%.)

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:41:11
From: party_pants
ID: 1723824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:44:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 1723827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

This virus keeps going we might have less load by 2050.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:46:17
From: sibeen
ID: 1723831
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:47:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1723833
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

Strange wording, switch.
I really doubt flipping a switch will do it.

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Date: 12/04/2021 12:59:31
From: party_pants
ID: 1723844
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

Yeah. Like I said, it isn;t going to be easy.

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:00:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723845
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

Yeah. Like I said, it isn;t going to be easy.

or cheap.

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:09:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1723849
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cant see any realistic plan to keep heavy industry running when you have days of overcast and windless weather.
Unless you use some of the renewable energy to make hydrogen and store it and that will create a whole new industry that involves transport The natural gas infrastructure will be perfect for when the new modern hydrogen fuelled economy come on stream,

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

+1

This is why we should have engineers making decisions, rather than politicians or scientists.

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:27:53
From: sibeen
ID: 1723861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

It is not an easy problem to solve, but gas is only going to be an interim solution. Switching our entire grid to gas is not going to be enough to reduce our emissions to net zero by 2050.

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

+1

This is why we should have engineers making decisions, rather than politicians or scientists.

A quick BOTE tells me that if we switched to renewables completely and wanted 24 hours of back-up by batteries then we would use up approximately two years of the world’s annual production of batteries. I also doubt that many governments would be happy with only 24 hours.

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:35:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723863
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

+1

This is why we should have engineers making decisions, rather than politicians or scientists.

A quick BOTE tells me that if we switched to renewables completely and wanted 24 hours of back-up by batteries then we would use up approximately two years of the world’s annual production of batteries. I also doubt that many governments would be happy with only 24 hours.

we need an engineer with vision and the chutzpa to carry out that vision. someone with a track record of being a left brain thinker.

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:39:18
From: party_pants
ID: 1723864
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

+1

This is why we should have engineers making decisions, rather than politicians or scientists.

A quick BOTE tells me that if we switched to renewables completely and wanted 24 hours of back-up by batteries then we would use up approximately two years of the world’s annual production of batteries. I also doubt that many governments would be happy with only 24 hours.

must have been an A3 size envelope.

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:42:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1723868
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

+1

This is why we should have engineers making decisions, rather than politicians or scientists.

A quick BOTE tells me that if we switched to renewables completely and wanted 24 hours of back-up by batteries then we would use up approximately two years of the world’s annual production of batteries. I also doubt that many governments would be happy with only 24 hours.

must have been an A3 size envelope.

A3 isn’t a recognised envelope size.

;-)

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:47:16
From: party_pants
ID: 1723871
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

A quick BOTE tells me that if we switched to renewables completely and wanted 24 hours of back-up by batteries then we would use up approximately two years of the world’s annual production of batteries. I also doubt that many governments would be happy with only 24 hours.

must have been an A3 size envelope.

A3 isn’t a recognised envelope size.

;-)

reality bites me on the arse once again, and it’s not even lunchtime Monday :(

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:51:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1723873
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

But an interim solution is going to be required if we want to move away from coal. Stating that it should all be immediately switched to renewable is completely ignoring the engineering impossibility of doing it ‘right now’.

+1

This is why we should have engineers making decisions, rather than politicians or scientists.

A quick BOTE tells me that if we switched to renewables completely and wanted 24 hours of back-up by batteries then we would use up approximately two years of the world’s annual production of batteries. I also doubt that many governments would be happy with only 24 hours.

Just to prove we have a balanced discussion here:

Batteries are not the only alternative to hydrogen. Pumped storage has a similar efficiency, with the potential for a much longer backup period.

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Date: 12/04/2021 13:56:50
From: sibeen
ID: 1723874
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

+1

This is why we should have engineers making decisions, rather than politicians or scientists.

A quick BOTE tells me that if we switched to renewables completely and wanted 24 hours of back-up by batteries then we would use up approximately two years of the world’s annual production of batteries. I also doubt that many governments would be happy with only 24 hours.

Just to prove we have a balanced discussion here:

Batteries are not the only alternative to hydrogen. Pumped storage has a similar efficiency, with the potential for a much longer backup period.

Very true, but you need a hill. :)

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Date: 12/04/2021 14:50:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723892
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so in summary, if push comes to shove marked reductions in fossil fuel burning could easily be achievable overnight, in the same way that Australians weren’t able to take infection control measures to Save Lives And Allow The Economy Must Grow In A V Shaped Recovery but WAns, NTns, SAns, QLDns, NSWns, ACTns, VICns, TASns et cetera were able to

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Date: 12/04/2021 14:52:28
From: dv
ID: 1723895
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Good thing we started on this fourteen years ago thanks to the Turnbull-Howard carbon pricing scheme

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Date: 12/04/2021 14:54:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1723896
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Good thing we started on this fourteen years ago thanks to the Turnbull-Howard carbon pricing scheme

L/NP governments have always been far-sighted.

They can spot a bag of donation money almost out to the horizon.

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Date: 12/04/2021 14:58:30
From: Michael V
ID: 1723899
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Good thing we started on this fourteen years ago thanks to the Turnbull-Howard carbon pricing scheme

L/NP governments have always been far-sighted.

They can spot a bag of donation money almost out to the horizon.

LOLOL

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Date: 12/04/2021 14:58:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1723900
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Good thing we started on this fourteen years ago thanks to the Turnbull-Howard carbon pricing scheme

L/NP governments have always been far-sighted.

They can spot a bag of donation money almost out to the horizon.

fortunately for them the Earth being flat the visible horizon is that much further than for conventional scientists and engineers

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Date: 12/04/2021 15:40:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1723920
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


so in summary, if push comes to shove marked reductions in fossil fuel burning could easily be achievable overnight, in the same way that Australians weren’t able to take infection control measures to Save Lives And Allow The Economy Must Grow In A V Shaped Recovery but WAns, NTns, SAns, QLDns, NSWns, ACTns, VICns, TASns et cetera were able to

And indeed, the states are taking significant measures to reduce GHG emissions, in spite of the federal government.

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Date: 17/04/2021 15:16:42
From: dv
ID: 1726254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/good-news/2021/04/16/fake-fairy-bread-petition/

Some of Australia’s most high-profile media organisations have been left red-faced after being fooled by a classic Chaser stunt – and it’s all about a kids’ party staple.

The satirical group created an elaborate trail of fakery to back up an online petition calling for an end to the “offensive” term ‘fairy bread’ – the white bread covered in multicoloured sprinkles loved by five-year-olds across the nation.

Using the pseudonym of Alexis Chaise – who apparently has a PhD and works in “salesmanship” at a lounge company – the group first set up a host of fake social media profiles.

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Date: 17/04/2021 15:26:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/good-news/2021/04/16/fake-fairy-bread-petition/

Using the pseudonym of Alexis Chaise – who apparently has a PhD and works in “salesmanship” at a lounge company – the group first set up a host of fake social media profiles.

you cover this like it’s satire but as you’ve said many times before for the Corruption Coalition it seems to be standard attire

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:00:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1726261
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/good-news/2021/04/16/fake-fairy-bread-petition/

Some of Australia’s most high-profile media organisations have been left red-faced after being fooled by a classic Chaser stunt – and it’s all about a kids’ party staple.

The satirical group created an elaborate trail of fakery to back up an online petition calling for an end to the “offensive” term ‘fairy bread’ – the white bread covered in multicoloured sprinkles loved by five-year-olds across the nation.

Using the pseudonym of Alexis Chaise – who apparently has a PhD and works in “salesmanship” at a lounge company – the group first set up a host of fake social media profiles.

Nice one.
The ABC did a good one too, they splices together some footage of dignitaries, the GG etc with some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch and then presented the concatenated fake video to the punters as news.
Their sports coverage is terrific but they cant be trusted with anything vaguely associated with politics.

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:01:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1726262
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

Their sports coverage is terrific but they cant be trusted with anything vaguely associated with politics.

Still less biased than the Murdoch press.

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:08:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726264
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Their sports coverage is terrific but they cant be trusted with anything vaguely associated with politics.

Still less biased than the Murdoch press.

not a high bar that one.

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:11:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726265
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:15:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726267
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/good-news/2021/04/16/fake-fairy-bread-petition/

Some of Australia’s most high-profile media organisations have been left red-faced after being fooled by a classic Chaser stunt – and it’s all about a kids’ party staple.

The satirical group created an elaborate trail of fakery to back up an online petition calling for an end to the “offensive” term ‘fairy bread’ – the white bread covered in multicoloured sprinkles loved by five-year-olds across the nation.

Using the pseudonym of Alexis Chaise – who apparently has a PhD and works in “salesmanship” at a lounge company – the group first set up a host of fake social media profiles.

Nice one.
The ABC did a good one too, they splices together some footage of dignitaries, the GG etc with some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch and then presented the concatenated fake video to the punters as news.
Their sports coverage is terrific but they cant be trusted with anything vaguely associated with politics.

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:17:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726269
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/good-news/2021/04/16/fake-fairy-bread-petition/

Some of Australia’s most high-profile media organisations have been left red-faced after being fooled by a classic Chaser stunt – and it’s all about a kids’ party staple.

The satirical group created an elaborate trail of fakery to back up an online petition calling for an end to the “offensive” term ‘fairy bread’ – the white bread covered in multicoloured sprinkles loved by five-year-olds across the nation.

Using the pseudonym of Alexis Chaise – who apparently has a PhD and works in “salesmanship” at a lounge company – the group first set up a host of fake social media profiles.

Nice one.
The ABC did a good one too, they splices together some footage of dignitaries, the GG etc with some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch and then presented the concatenated fake video to the punters as news.
Their sports coverage is terrific but they cant be trusted with anything vaguely associated with politics.

Awwww didums.

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:20:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726272
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/too-great-expectations-morrison-s-masterstroke-of-political-mismanagement-20210416-p57jy8.html

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:21:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726273
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/good-news/2021/04/16/fake-fairy-bread-petition/

Using the pseudonym of Alexis Chaise – who apparently has a PhD and works in “salesmanship” at a lounge company – the group first set up a host of fake social media profiles.

you cover this like it’s satire but as you’ve said many times before for the Corruption Coalition it seems to be standard attire

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:34:13
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726277
Subject: re: Aust Politics

interesting 803 instances of ABC. Of course some of these will be repeated quotes. 39 SMH. 13 news.com, only one actual story rest no story just a reference and quoted. 0 The Australian. Crikey 4.

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Date: 17/04/2021 16:35:54
From: buffy
ID: 1726280
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/christine-holgate-australia-post-topsy-turvy-givens-politics/100075394

Oh my.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:06:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726286
Subject: re: Aust Politics

…some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch …

On the BBC news website,some lady was quoted as saying that the girls’ dancing had been ‘presented as something ridiculous’.

Well, there’s a reason for that, madam…

Someone else claimed that the RAN had ‘sexualised’ the girls and their dancing.

Hang on…this was dancing where the young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.

Unless someone from the Navy (and i’d wager that the girls’ appearing was both a great surprise to and not the idea of Navy people) tore up the troupe’s suggested programme and said ‘no, you have to do this dance instead’, then i don’t think it was the RAN that ‘sexualised’ anything.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:17:35
From: Arts
ID: 1726290
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:

…some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch …

On the BBC news website,some lady was quoted as saying that the girls’ dancing had been ‘presented as something ridiculous’.

Well, there’s a reason for that, madam…

Someone else claimed that the RAN had ‘sexualised’ the girls and their dancing.

Hang on…this was dancing where the young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.

nope.. and nope…

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:32:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726293
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


captain_spalding said:

…some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch …

On the BBC news website,some lady was quoted as saying that the girls’ dancing had been ‘presented as something ridiculous’.

Well, there’s a reason for that, madam…

Someone else claimed that the RAN had ‘sexualised’ the girls and their dancing.

Hang on…this was dancing where the young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.

nope.. and nope…

the difference between sexy and sexualised.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:37:21
From: dv
ID: 1726295
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I must have had a long nap and woken up under the Taleban

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:37:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726296
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


captain_spalding said:

…some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch …

On the BBC news website,some lady was quoted as saying that the girls’ dancing had been ‘presented as something ridiculous’.

Well, there’s a reason for that, madam…

Someone else claimed that the RAN had ‘sexualised’ the girls and their dancing.

Hang on…this was dancing where the young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.

nope.. and nope…

Unless the Navy has changed drastically since i knew it, then it’s VERY unlikely that any naval officers would countenance even for a moment the idea of including a troupe of young ladies
‘twerking’ in the programme of a commissioning ceremony. If there should be some sort of celebration afterwards, well, that’s a different matter, but not the commissioning ceremony.

It’s far more likely that some wacker from Defence decided to ‘liven things up’ and demonstrate that they’re ‘a mover and shaker’ (pun optional) and maybe get a gig for his/her girlfriend’s/sister’s/daughter’s/cousin’s/niece’s dance team, and had them inserted into the programme.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:38:38
From: dv
ID: 1726297
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:39:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1726298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I must have had a long nap and woken up under the Taleban

Patsy from ABFAB woke up under Mick Jagger once.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:41:34
From: Arts
ID: 1726299
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

…some footage of the girls twirking at the ship launch …

On the BBC news website,some lady was quoted as saying that the girls’ dancing had been ‘presented as something ridiculous’.

Well, there’s a reason for that, madam…

Someone else claimed that the RAN had ‘sexualised’ the girls and their dancing.

Hang on…this was dancing where the young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.

nope.. and nope…

Unless the Navy has changed drastically since i knew it, then it’s VERY unlikely that any naval officers would countenance even for a moment the idea of including a troupe of young ladies
‘twerking’ in the programme of a commissioning ceremony. If there should be some sort of celebration afterwards, well, that’s a different matter, but not the commissioning ceremony.

It’s far more likely that some wacker from Defence decided to ‘liven things up’ and demonstrate that they’re ‘a mover and shaker’ (pun optional) and maybe get a gig for his/her girlfriend’s/sister’s/daughter’s/cousin’s/niece’s dance team, and had them inserted into the programme.

my issue is with the idea that because dancers were ‘young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.’ then it had to be them doing the sexualising.. like dancers can’t wear what they like and dance.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:42:22
From: Arts
ID: 1726300
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



I put forward the motion that they also consider a name change.. because changing official letterheads twice will be costly.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:43:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-dancers-claim-abc-video-of-naval-performance-amounts-to-upskirting-20210416-p57jtu.html#comments

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:46:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726302
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

nope.. and nope…

Unless the Navy has changed drastically since i knew it, then it’s VERY unlikely that any naval officers would countenance even for a moment the idea of including a troupe of young ladies
‘twerking’ in the programme of a commissioning ceremony. If there should be some sort of celebration afterwards, well, that’s a different matter, but not the commissioning ceremony.

It’s far more likely that some wacker from Defence decided to ‘liven things up’ and demonstrate that they’re ‘a mover and shaker’ (pun optional) and maybe get a gig for his/her girlfriend’s/sister’s/daughter’s/cousin’s/niece’s dance team, and had them inserted into the programme.

my issue is with the idea that because dancers were ‘young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.’ then it had to be them doing the sexualising.. like dancers can’t wear what they like and dance.

They can wear what they like, and dance any way they like. Hurrah for freedom of expression.

But, it is a ‘sexual’ form of dancing. So is the tango – perhaps to a slightly more subtle degree, but it is. So is salsa. So are other dance forms, to varying degrees.

‘Twerking’ is, undeniably, an overtly sexual dance form. Its style, movements. and presentation lend themselves to sexual interpretation.

If you’re going to twerk, don’t pretend that it isn’t what it is.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:50:02
From: dv
ID: 1726304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:51:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726305
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

Is That Daniel Andrews’s Reflection In The Glass There

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:52:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726306
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Unless the Navy has changed drastically since i knew it, then it’s VERY unlikely that any naval officers would countenance even for a moment the idea of including a troupe of young ladies
‘twerking’ in the programme of a commissioning ceremony. If there should be some sort of celebration afterwards, well, that’s a different matter, but not the commissioning ceremony.

It’s far more likely that some wacker from Defence decided to ‘liven things up’ and demonstrate that they’re ‘a mover and shaker’ (pun optional) and maybe get a gig for his/her girlfriend’s/sister’s/daughter’s/cousin’s/niece’s dance team, and had them inserted into the programme.

my issue is with the idea that because dancers were ‘young women wore tight fitting shorts and skimpy tops, and they engaged in movements which emphasised sticking their bums out and wiggling them around a lot.’ then it had to be them doing the sexualising.. like dancers can’t wear what they like and dance.

They can wear what they like, and dance any way they like. Hurrah for freedom of expression.

But, it is a ‘sexual’ form of dancing. So is the tango – perhaps to a slightly more subtle degree, but it is. So is salsa. So are other dance forms, to varying degrees.

‘Twerking’ is, undeniably, an overtly sexual dance form. Its style, movements. and presentation lend themselves to sexual interpretation.

If you’re going to twerk, don’t pretend that it isn’t what it is.

right but arguably much dancing is just stylised combat, so then why should the armed forces be concerned that displays stylised combat are making them woke and soft

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:54:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726307
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

and it’s back to the gaslit recovery Australien Government where are you please

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:56:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726308
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

right but arguably much dancing is just stylised combat, so then why should the armed forces be concerned that displays stylised combat are making them woke and soft

My bet is that, in this case, the Navy:

1. is glad that the whole thing is over

2. has senior officers actively hunting for the head of whichever dimwit engineered this appearance in what is a very traditional ceremony

3. is quietly grateful for an example that they can point to as to why any civilian from Defence who wants a say in such ceremonies can be told to go and get fucked.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:57:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1726310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

right but arguably much dancing is just stylised combat, so then why should the armed forces be concerned that displays stylised combat are making them woke and soft

My bet is that, in this case, the Navy:

1. is glad that the whole thing is over

2. has senior officers actively hunting for the head of whichever dimwit engineered this appearance in what is a very traditional ceremony

3. is quietly grateful for an example that they can point to as to why any civilian from Defence who wants a say in such ceremonies can be told to go and get fucked.

Dang and I never got to see the video.

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Date: 17/04/2021 17:59:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726311
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

right but arguably much dancing is just stylised combat, so then why should the armed forces be concerned that displays stylised combat are making them woke and soft

My bet is that, in this case, the Navy:

1. is glad that the whole thing is over

2. has senior officers actively hunting for the head of whichever dimwit engineered this appearance in what is a very traditional ceremony

3. is quietly grateful for an example that they can point to as to why any civilian from Defence who wants a say in such ceremonies can be told to go and get fucked.

Dang and I never got to see the video.

It was very much over-rated.

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:01:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726313
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:
right but arguably much dancing is just stylised combat, so then why should the armed forces be concerned that displays stylised combat are making them woke and soft

My bet is that, in this case, the Navy:

1. is glad that the whole thing is over

2. has senior officers actively hunting for the head of whichever dimwit engineered this appearance in what is a very traditional ceremony

3. is quietly grateful for an example that they can point to as to why any civilian from Defence who wants a say in such ceremonies can be told to go and get fucked.

we mean, it’s been incredibly entertaining and all, and we don’t want to be treading on anyone’s toes (not very good at dancing) or manicured back yard or castle drawbridge, but for a few dancers at a naval function to be headline news and splashed around like it’s bigger than some retirees complaining that pies aren’t for early bird sale

what did people use to think navy did when they stopped at friendly port and had some R&R*

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:06:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1726314
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
right but arguably much dancing is just stylised combat, so then why should the armed forces be concerned that displays stylised combat are making them woke and soft

My bet is that, in this case, the Navy:

1. is glad that the whole thing is over

2. has senior officers actively hunting for the head of whichever dimwit engineered this appearance in what is a very traditional ceremony

3. is quietly grateful for an example that they can point to as to why any civilian from Defence who wants a say in such ceremonies can be told to go and get fucked.

we mean, it’s been incredibly entertaining and all, and we don’t want to be treading on anyone’s toes (not very good at dancing) or manicured back yard or castle drawbridge, but for a few dancers at a naval function to be headline news and splashed around like it’s bigger than some retirees complaining that pies aren’t for early bird sale

what did people use to think navy did when they stopped at friendly port and had some R&R*

Well they usually take the opportunity of going to Mass if they are there on a Sunday and also taking cultural tours of the port and city.

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:07:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726315
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

what did people use to think navy did when they stopped at friendly port and had some R&R*

Well, we’d visit the local museums, check out the art galleries, make contact with the local opera societies, take tours of botanical gardens, engage with the local debating clubs, stuff like that…

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:08:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726316
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I almost forgot – cribbage!

Oh, we were devils for cribbage! We often said it’d be our downfall.

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:08:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726317
Subject: re: Aust Politics

*: ah that must explain why the retired female nurse started giggling when she told us about the times when the ships arrived

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:14:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


*: ah that must explain why the retired female nurse started giggling when she told us about the times when the ships arrived

Jim McDonnell (J.E. McDonnell) told of his ship (a destroyer) visiting Durban not long after another Australian ship had been there.

In a long period at sea, it had become the fashion in JEM’s ship to grow beards.

The sailors were much surprised when the local ladies shunned them in a most direct fashion.

When queried about this, one young woman revealed that ‘the sailors on the previous ship told us that, in your navy, only sailors with a ‘social disease’ wear beards’.

JEM and his shipmates then had a mission: to catch up with that ‘previous ship’.

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:14:18
From: buffy
ID: 1726319
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

right but arguably much dancing is just stylised combat, so then why should the armed forces be concerned that displays stylised combat are making them woke and soft

My bet is that, in this case, the Navy:

1. is glad that the whole thing is over

2. has senior officers actively hunting for the head of whichever dimwit engineered this appearance in what is a very traditional ceremony

3. is quietly grateful for an example that they can point to as to why any civilian from Defence who wants a say in such ceremonies can be told to go and get fucked.

Dang and I never got to see the video.

From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-dancers-claim-abc-video-of-naval-performance-amounts-to-upskirting-20210416-p57jtu.html#comments

It’s in that link.

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:52:45
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1726324
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Interesting article with a lot to reflect on.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-04-21/murdoch-endorses-rudd-as-pm/2528658

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Date: 17/04/2021 18:56:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1726325
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


I almost forgot – cribbage!

Oh, we were devils for cribbage! We often said it’d be our downfall.

Did you often sing songs about cribbage?

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Date: 17/04/2021 19:19:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1726330
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Interesting article with a lot to reflect on.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-04-21/murdoch-endorses-rudd-as-pm/2528658

Mr Rudd was also keen to nurture relations with another powerful American – he spent an hour with Mr Murdoch in New York.

Afterwards the media mogul was asked whether he thought the Labor leader would make a good prime minister.

“Oh, I’m sure,” he said.

no corruption there

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Date: 17/04/2021 19:21:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1726331
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Interesting article with a lot to reflect on.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-04-21/murdoch-endorses-rudd-as-pm/2528658

It wouldn’t do for ‘The Daily Telegraph’ to go all in for the losing team.

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Date: 17/04/2021 19:47:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1726335
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


I almost forgot – cribbage!

Oh, we were devils for cribbage! We often said it’d be our downfall.

I haven’t had a game of cribbage since the night my father died. Back in the mid 70s.

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Date: 17/04/2021 22:53:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1726365
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Nats get down and dirty, AGAIN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE7bzhlIo-8

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Date: 18/04/2021 06:15:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1726407
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

My bet is that, in this case, the Navy:

1. is glad that the whole thing is over

2. has senior officers actively hunting for the head of whichever dimwit engineered this appearance in what is a very traditional ceremony

3. is quietly grateful for an example that they can point to as to why any civilian from Defence who wants a say in such ceremonies can be told to go and get fucked.

Dang and I never got to see the video.

From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-dancers-claim-abc-video-of-naval-performance-amounts-to-upskirting-20210416-p57jtu.html#comments

It’s in that link.

The Captain was correct. Grossly overrated.

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Date: 18/04/2021 06:26:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Dang and I never got to see the video.

From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-dancers-claim-abc-video-of-naval-performance-amounts-to-upskirting-20210416-p57jtu.html#comments

It’s in that link.

The Captain was correct. Grossly overrated.

except for it being part of the official ceremony, which it wasn’t. It appears it was all done for a good reason. I doubt we would have heard anything if the ABC had done a better job. But the Outrage Bus always has seats available. It is a bit like Hilbert’s Grand Hotel.

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Date: 18/04/2021 06:26:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1726411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

From: JudgeMental
ID: 1726301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-dancers-claim-abc-video-of-naval-performance-amounts-to-upskirting-20210416-p57jtu.html#comments

It’s in that link.

The Captain was correct. Grossly overrated.

except for it being part of the official ceremony, which it wasn’t. It appears it was all done for a good reason. I doubt we would have heard anything if the ABC had done a better job. But the Outrage Bus always has seats available. It is a bit like Hilbert’s Grand Hotel.

To be sure.

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Date: 18/04/2021 07:47:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1726415
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

except for it being part of the official ceremony, which it wasn’t. It appears it was all done for a good reason. I doubt we would have heard anything if the ABC had done a better job. But the Outrage Bus always has seats available. It is a bit like Hilbert’s Grand Hotel.

It was before the start of the ceremony, which is fine, entertain the people while they wait for the big-wigs.

If it had been after, that’s fine, too, but few would have hung around just for that.

My real gripe is that e.g. ‘ Australian women’s site Mamamia published a piece saying: “It’s the Royal Australian Navy that made it bizarre. It’s the Royal Australian Navy that turned their art form into something to ridicule.” – BBC News website

Apparently, performing a routine of their own design on a wharf alongside a ship somehow ‘turned their art form into something to ridicule’ and this is the Navy’s fault.

Codswallop. Absurdity is in the eye of the beholder. If it looked ridiculous to some people, then perhaps it was a bit ridiculous, regardless of setting.

And the dance troupe themselves talked about ‘…the ABC’s camera operator and their need to sexualise these women and their dance piece for their own gratification”

As i said last night, a number of dance forms are ‘sexual’. Tango, salsa, and others have an element of sexuality about them. ‘Twerking’ is an undeniably and overtly sexual dance form.

Don’t try to cover your embarrassment by claiming that it isn’t what it is.

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Date: 18/04/2021 15:05:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1726531
Subject: re: Aust Politics

#FederalICACNow
Scomo’s sudden concern for taxpayer dollars is a joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFEppI-IgT8

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Date: 20/04/2021 01:34:25
From: dv
ID: 1726916
Subject: re: Aust Politics

‘There is now a market for crazy’: Turnbull slams Murdoch press at media diversity inquiry

‘It’s not news anymore, it’s propaganda … We are drowning in lies.’

Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has accused the Murdoch media empire of assisting terrorists, pushing propaganda and acting as Australia’s most powerful political party through selective coverage. Speaking at the Senate inquiry into media diversity in Australia this morning, Turnbull stressed News Corp must be held accountable for the impact its coverage has had on Australia’s democracy.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/04/12/malcolm-turnbull-slams-news-corp/

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Date: 20/04/2021 01:45:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1726917
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


‘There is now a market for crazy’: Turnbull slams Murdoch press at media diversity inquiry

‘It’s not news anymore, it’s propaganda … We are drowning in lies.’

Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has accused the Murdoch media empire of assisting terrorists, pushing propaganda and acting as Australia’s most powerful political party through selective coverage. Speaking at the Senate inquiry into media diversity in Australia this morning, Turnbull stressed News Corp must be held accountable for the impact its coverage has had on Australia’s democracy.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/04/12/malcolm-turnbull-slams-news-corp/

Too late Malcolm.

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Date: 22/04/2021 22:25:16
From: dv
ID: 1728142
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dearie me, Kelly’s going, Laming, now Christensen, soon parliament will be depleted of the voice of reason.

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Date: 22/04/2021 23:11:52
From: dv
ID: 1728163
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 22/04/2021 23:15:20
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1728166
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



He’s reinventing himself perhaps a little too rapidly. Malcolm Fraser took his time about it.

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Date: 22/04/2021 23:29:22
From: party_pants
ID: 1728170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:


He’s reinventing himself perhaps a little too rapidly. Malcolm Fraser took his time about it.

about the same pace as Mark Latham :)

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Date: 22/04/2021 23:31:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1728171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:


He’s reinventing himself perhaps a little too rapidly. Malcolm Fraser took his time about it.

about the same pace as Mark Latham :)

That was more a disintegration than a reinvention.

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Date: 22/04/2021 23:44:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1728173
Subject: re: Aust Politics

let’s be fair it’s not like dirty LABOR have never backflipped on any matters of importance

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Date: 22/04/2021 23:46:06
From: dv
ID: 1728174
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


let’s be fair it’s not like dirty LABOR have never backflipped on any matters of importance

Yeah Gila backed same sex marriage within months of leaving office…

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Date: 23/04/2021 00:18:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1728184
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



I did not watch. But the Anti-indue people thought Turnbull’s support of the card due to the Kalgoolie people he met being supportive…was a load of.

Keith Pitt said the card was a good thing if it stopped just one kiddie from going hungry. the Say no 7 people asked how many evictions does it take? Pitt deletes and blocks any Anti Indue comments and if he is pushed about problems he sends people to Centrelink or Indue. Nothing changes his narrative.

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Date: 23/04/2021 00:21:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1728185
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:


I did not watch. But the Anti-indue people thought Turnbull’s support of the card due to the Kalgoolie people he met being supportive…was a load of.

Keith Pitt said the card was a good thing if it stopped just one kiddie from going hungry. the Say no 7 people asked how many evictions does it take? Pitt deletes and blocks any Anti Indue comments and if he is pushed about problems he sends people to Centrelink or Indue. Nothing changes his narrative.

So if the card stops just one kid going hungry while causing hundreds of other kids to go hungry, it’s a good thing.

Seems to sum up the logic of the Indue project.

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Date: 23/04/2021 00:34:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1728188
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:


I did not watch. But the Anti-indue people thought Turnbull’s support of the card due to the Kalgoolie people he met being supportive…was a load of.

Keith Pitt said the card was a good thing if it stopped just one kiddie from going hungry. the Say no 7 people asked how many evictions does it take? Pitt deletes and blocks any Anti Indue comments and if he is pushed about problems he sends people to Centrelink or Indue. Nothing changes his narrative.

So if the card stops just one kid going hungry while causing hundreds of other kids to go hungry, it’s a good thing.

Seems to sum up the logic of the Indue project.

So much spin.

Some people are saving money while they are on the card that have never been able to save before. (ie some people can’t access 80% of their payment.)

The number of declines prove that people are not buying alcohol and cigarettes. (people can buy cigarettes.) (Declines can be random. (One woman who moved to Melbourne can only buy alcohol. Everything else declines.)

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Date: 23/04/2021 06:42:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1728202
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/joe-biden-us-to-cut-emissions-by-half-by-2030/100089456

United States President Joe Biden launches global climate summit by pledging to cut US emissions in half by 2030

Prime Minister Scott Morrison also made an appearance, but suffered a temporary setback after he could not be heard at the beginning of his address

Quite fitting, and nothing meaningful was said anyway.

Mr Morrison did not make any new pledges, and said Australia was “on the pathway” to net-zero emissions through new technologies.

Unlike other countries, Australia has not set a concrete deadline to achieve net-zero emissions, which has fuelled long-standing perceptions from abroad that the country has been a laggard on climate change action.

Other leaders seem to be committing to 50% to 100% relatively greater emissions cuts.

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Date: 23/04/2021 07:47:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1728214
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/joe-biden-us-to-cut-emissions-by-half-by-2030/100089456

United States President Joe Biden launches global climate summit by pledging to cut US emissions in half by 2030

Prime Minister Scott Morrison also made an appearance, but suffered a temporary setback after he could not be heard at the beginning of his address

Quite fitting, and nothing meaningful was said anyway.

Mr Morrison did not make any new pledges, and said Australia was “on the pathway” to net-zero emissions through new technologies.

Unlike other countries, Australia has not set a concrete deadline to achieve net-zero emissions, which has fuelled long-standing perceptions from abroad that the country has been a laggard on climate change action.

Other leaders seem to be committing to 50% to 100% relatively greater emissions cuts.

Scotty is twenty years behind and dind’t want to tie a date on it.

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Date: 25/04/2021 22:08:20
From: dv
ID: 1729329
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The five year investigation by NSW police into Hillsong leader Brian Houston’s coverup of his father is ongoing.


After 5 years the NSW police told me on Friday (23-4-21) that they are still investigating Brian Houston for the cover-up of his father’s sexual abuse of children and on Tuesday Prime Minister Scott Morrison was on stage on the Gold Coast, with 2 of Brian Houston’s alleged accomplices, helping promote the fraud scam that is known as Pentecostal Churches. It is disturbing that none of the old media reported Scott Morrison’s trip to the Gold Coast on Tuesday even though it was apparently paid for by taxpayers.

Scott Morrison has been lying about his knowledge of the police investigation into Brian Houston since at least 2019 and denied in an interview in March 2020 that he knew that Brian Houston was under police investigation when he tried to take Houston to the White House on a government visit in September 2019. But how does Scott Morrison justify being on stage this week with 2 of Brian Houston’s alleged accomplices? Does Scott Morrison claim to still know nothing?

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Date: 25/04/2021 22:10:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1729331
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The five year investigation by NSW police into Hillsong leader Brian Houston’s coverup of his father is ongoing.


After 5 years the NSW police told me on Friday (23-4-21) that they are still investigating Brian Houston for the cover-up of his father’s sexual abuse of children and on Tuesday Prime Minister Scott Morrison was on stage on the Gold Coast, with 2 of Brian Houston’s alleged accomplices, helping promote the fraud scam that is known as Pentecostal Churches. It is disturbing that none of the old media reported Scott Morrison’s trip to the Gold Coast on Tuesday even though it was apparently paid for by taxpayers.

Scott Morrison has been lying about his knowledge of the police investigation into Brian Houston since at least 2019 and denied in an interview in March 2020 that he knew that Brian Houston was under police investigation when he tried to take Houston to the White House on a government visit in September 2019. But how does Scott Morrison justify being on stage this week with 2 of Brian Houston’s alleged accomplices? Does Scott Morrison claim to still know nothing?

So what is new?

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Date: 25/04/2021 22:15:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729333
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The five year investigation by NSW police into Hillsong leader Brian Houston’s coverup of his father is ongoing.


After 5 years the NSW police told me on Friday (23-4-21) that they are still investigating Brian Houston for the cover-up of his father’s sexual abuse of children and on Tuesday Prime Minister Scott Morrison was on stage on the Gold Coast, with 2 of Brian Houston’s alleged accomplices, helping promote the fraud scam that is known as Pentecostal Churches. It is disturbing that none of the old media reported Scott Morrison’s trip to the Gold Coast on Tuesday even though it was apparently paid for by taxpayers.

Scott Morrison has been lying about his knowledge of the police investigation into Brian Houston since at least 2019 and denied in an interview in March 2020 that he knew that Brian Houston was under police investigation when he tried to take Houston to the White House on a government visit in September 2019. But how does Scott Morrison justify being on stage this week with 2 of Brian Houston’s alleged accomplices? Does Scott Morrison claim to still know nothing?

great south land of the holy spirit.

nnnnnn.grrrr.

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Date: 26/04/2021 11:55:33
From: dv
ID: 1729485
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/04/26/crime-of-the-century-alan-kohler/

Alan Kohler: Scott Morrison, the Murdochs and the crime of the century

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Date: 26/04/2021 12:36:44
From: Ian
ID: 1729488
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/04/26/crime-of-the-century-alan-kohler/

Alan Kohler: Scott Morrison, the Murdochs and the crime of the century

By Alan Kohler… ironic

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Date: 26/04/2021 13:12:15
From: Ian
ID: 1729501
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Facebook removes MP Craig Kelly’s page

The social media giant Facebook has released a short statement confirming it has removed the page of independent federal MP Craig Kelly for repeated breaches of misinformation policy.

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Date: 26/04/2021 13:14:39
From: Michael V
ID: 1729503
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


Facebook removes MP Craig Kelly’s page

The social media giant Facebook has released a short statement confirming it has removed the page of independent federal MP Craig Kelly for repeated breaches of misinformation policy.

Good stuff.

But still, too few, too late?

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Date: 26/04/2021 13:15:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1729506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


Facebook removes MP Craig Kelly’s page

The social media giant Facebook has released a short statement confirming it has removed the page of independent federal MP Craig Kelly for repeated breaches of misinformation policy.

Goodo.

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Date: 26/04/2021 13:42:04
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1729524
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


Facebook removes MP Craig Kelly’s page

The social media giant Facebook has released a short statement confirming it has removed the page of independent federal MP Craig Kelly for repeated breaches of misinformation policy.

Good news.

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Date: 26/04/2021 13:44:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1729525
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Are MPs Craig Kelly and George Christensen Trolls?

Misinformation on an ongoing basis is a troll trait.

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Date: 26/04/2021 13:50:55
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1729531
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Are MPs Craig Kelly and George Christensen Trolls?

Misinformation on an ongoing basis is a troll trait.

I remember all the trolls posting misinformation here.

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Date: 26/04/2021 13:54:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1729532
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Are MPs Craig Kelly and George Christensen Trolls?

Misinformation on an ongoing basis is a troll trait.

It’s probably fair to call them trolls.

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:12:43
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1729649
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:14:42
From: Speedy
ID: 1729650
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

Wow

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:17:49
From: buffy
ID: 1729651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Speedy said:


Bubblecar said:

It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

Wow

I don’t think laying on of hands is appropriate.

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:17:52
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1729652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

Ohhhh so that’s why he assaults insists on shaking people’s hands! He’s actually healing. Well, that’s just dandy then. Carry on healing the public, Mr Sir Grabs-a-lot.

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:23:36
From: sibeen
ID: 1729654
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

Hallelujah!

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:24:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1729656
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

Hallelujah!

Did he specify which god’s work?

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:26:36
From: Rule 303
ID: 1729657
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bubblecar said:

It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

Hallelujah!

All those in favour say “Amen!”, those against say “Satan!”.

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:28:20
From: Michael V
ID: 1729658
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

Oh, grate.

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:46:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

nnnn.

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:48:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1729663
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

The evil one?

Craig Kelly?

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Date: 26/04/2021 17:49:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1729665
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

It is as bad as we suspected:

Scott Morrison tells Christian conference he was called to do God’s work as prime minister

Morrison, who is Australia’s first Pentecostal PM, says he practises the tradition of ‘laying on of hands’ while working and calls misuse of social media the work of ‘the evil one’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/26/scott-morrison-tells-christian-conference-he-was-called-to-do-gods-work-as-prime-minister

The evil one?

Craig Kelly?

Rupert Murdoch, more likely.

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Date: 26/04/2021 19:14:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1729725
Subject: re: Aust Politics

No Sock Puppetry Here

While he has lost access to his most high-profile page, Mr Kelly has told the ABC he still retained access to a second Facebook page.

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Date: 26/04/2021 19:16:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1729727
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


No Sock Puppetry Here

While he has lost access to his most high-profile page, Mr Kelly has told the ABC he still retained access to a second Facebook page.

Would that be the page with all the good-on-ya-Craig comments, by any chance?

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:04:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729751
Subject: re: Aust Politics

That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:06:59
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1729753
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

Which election?

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:07:27
From: sibeen
ID: 1729754
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

There may be a way to find out.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:08:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1729755
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:08:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729756
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

Which election?

Tas state. We vote on Saturday

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:08:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1729757
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

Possibly.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:08:43
From: sibeen
ID: 1729758
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

Which election?

Snug Girl Guides and Boy Scouts committee. It’s pretty cutthroat down that way.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:08:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729759
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

There may be a way to find out.

It’s hardly a random sample if they are that desperate for me.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:10:39
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1729762
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:



resolve, jim reed, lnp stooge.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:10:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1729763
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:



Sorry, sorry I was posting this in one of my other forums when the mouse slipped.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:21:34
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1729768
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

No, they’ll ring more frequently as they’ll mark your number as one that answers…

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:22:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1729769
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


sarahs mum said:

That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

No, they’ll ring more frequently as they’ll mark your number as one that answers…

It’s a robocall.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:22:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1729770
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


sarahs mum said:

That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

No, they’ll ring more frequently as they’ll mark your number as one that answers…

Aye.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:24:50
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1729773
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

That was my 12th election survey phone call. If I answered the questions would they stop ringing?

No, they’ll ring more frequently as they’ll mark your number as one that answers…

It’s a robocall.

roughbarked wants his handle back.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:29:09
From: dv
ID: 1729777
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:



Saints be praised

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:34:29
From: party_pants
ID: 1729781
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:


Saints be praised

Fuck the Saints. They can all FOAD too.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:38:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1729782
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:


Saints be praised

Fuck the Saints. They can all FOAD too.

Bit odd that PWM has the hots for the Pentecostals, but maybe he’s turned Prot.

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Date: 26/04/2021 20:45:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729786
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Advert on the teev said we need more politicians who get things done and not more party robots.

I immediately visualised party robots.

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Date: 26/04/2021 21:02:22
From: Ian
ID: 1729799
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Advert on the teev said we need more politicians who get things done and not more party robots.

I immediately visualised party robots.

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Date: 26/04/2021 21:03:46
From: dv
ID: 1729801
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


sarahs mum said:

Advert on the teev said we need more politicians who get things done and not more party robots.

I immediately visualised party robots.


I wonder whether that was the one that visited Lois

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Date: 26/04/2021 21:08:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729804
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


sarahs mum said:

Advert on the teev said we need more politicians who get things done and not more party robots.

I immediately visualised party robots.


He likes to party.

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Date: 26/04/2021 21:44:39
From: dv
ID: 1729816
Subject: re: Aust Politics

(Scratches head)

Is protesting illegal in Tasmania?

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Date: 26/04/2021 21:51:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1729821
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


(Scratches head)

Is protesting illegal in Tasmania?

Only if the Liberals or Labor are in power.

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Date: 26/04/2021 22:02:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1729825
Subject: re: Aust Politics

it’s a free country

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Date: 26/04/2021 22:02:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1729826
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


(Scratches head)

Is protesting illegal in Tasmania?

I read this as Forest Wars Part 4. Whether Labor or Liberals get in. Buckle up.

March 25 2021 – 1:00PM

The state government’s proposed anti-protest laws have failed to garner support in the Legislative Council, with Labor and progressive independent MLCs voting against them.

It comes after an earlier version of the legislation – a key election commitment of the Liberal government – was ruled invalid in a High Court challenge.

On Thursday, a revamped iteration of the laws, known as the Workplaces (Protection from Protesters) Amendment Bill, was defeated, with six members voting in favour of it, and eight against it.

Labor has accused the government of politicising the issue ahead of the upper house elections on May 1, as well as a strongly rumoured early state election. Labor resources spokesman Shane Broad said on Wednesday that the Opposition was willing to sit down with the government to draft laws that would “actually protect workers”.

“The only people who win as a result of the Liberals’ political games are the Greens and the Bob Brown Foundation,” Dr Broad said.

Independent Nelson MLC Meg Webb described the government’s decision to bring forward the legislation in the Legislative Council nearly 18 months after it passed the lower house as “a rank exercise in political theatre”.

“Protest is a normal and healthy part of a liberal democracy – in fact, it’s essential,” she said.

“Without protest action occurring in times past, I would not be standing here today in this place. Literally.

https://www.examiner.com.au/story/7183053/anti-protest-laws-voted-down-in-upper-house/

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Date: 26/04/2021 22:04:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1729827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

This bill was voted down this year, but the Libs want to reintroduce it.

Win for democracy: Dangerous Anti-Protest Law Defeated in Tasmania’s Upper House

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/3/26/dangerous-anti-protest-law-defeated-in-tasmanias-upper-house

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Date: 26/04/2021 22:33:54
From: dv
ID: 1729848
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/04/2021 07:09:19
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1729895
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Better off here, I suppose.

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Date: 27/04/2021 07:10:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1729896
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Better off here, I suppose.


Laying of hands might be one thing but hillsinging as well?

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Date: 27/04/2021 07:32:09
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1729898
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Hillsinging is one thing but grabbing people without consent? Praying for them without asking?

God may work in mysterious ways but decent human beings ask permission.

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Date: 27/04/2021 07:33:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1729900
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


Hillsinging is one thing but grabbing people without consent? Praying for them without asking?

God may work in mysterious ways but decent human beings ask permission.

Indeed.

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Date: 27/04/2021 07:59:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1729907
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Divine Angel said:

Hillsinging is one thing but grabbing people without consent? Praying for them without asking?

God may work in mysterious ways but decent human beings ask permission.

Indeed.

deelect asap please

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Date: 27/04/2021 08:00:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1729908
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Hillsinging is one thing but grabbing people without consent? Praying for them without asking?

God may work in mysterious ways but decent human beings ask permission.

Indeed.

deelect asap please

I’ll do my best.

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Date: 27/04/2021 09:08:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1729934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Indeed.

deelect asap please

I’ll do my best.

I’ll work on the deelection thing, but he can still pray for me as often as he likes, if it makes him happy.

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Date: 27/04/2021 11:10:12
From: dv
ID: 1729994
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 27/04/2021 11:11:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1729996
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



wha?

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Date: 27/04/2021 11:11:50
From: Rule 303
ID: 1729997
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



>snorts<

He is without skeleton.

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Date: 27/04/2021 11:15:26
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1730000
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



“It was a different time.”

So, not 1994?

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Date: 27/04/2021 11:15:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1730001
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


dv said:


>snorts<

He is without skeleton.

I have no skeleton, Jerry. No skeleton at all.

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Date: 27/04/2021 12:43:57
From: dv
ID: 1730058
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:


wha?

Wow kidnapping is illegal now? Its political correctness gone mad.

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Date: 27/04/2021 12:45:40
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1730060
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



WTF is that about?

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Date: 27/04/2021 12:54:46
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1730069
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Pinkenba Six is a group of Queensland police officers charged with the abduction of three Aboriginal boys in May 1994.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six

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Date: 27/04/2021 13:01:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1730080
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Pinkenba Six is a group of Queensland police officers charged with the abduction of three Aboriginal boys in May 1994.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six

Thanks. I didn’t know that.

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Date: 27/04/2021 13:03:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730082
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

The Pinkenba Six is a group of Queensland police officers charged with the abduction of three Aboriginal boys in May 1994.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six

Thanks. I didn’t know that.

+1

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Date: 27/04/2021 13:06:34
From: buffy
ID: 1730083
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

The Pinkenba Six is a group of Queensland police officers charged with the abduction of three Aboriginal boys in May 1994.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six

Thanks. I didn’t know that.

Neither did I.

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Date: 27/04/2021 13:12:17
From: party_pants
ID: 1730089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Pinkenba Six is a group of Queensland police officers charged with the abduction of three Aboriginal boys in May 1994.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six

Thanks. I was not familiar with Queensland police history, apart from Rodney Rude songs.

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Date: 27/04/2021 14:34:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730151
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kevin Rudd calls for national security review of Darwin Port lease
By Jano Gibson

Former PM Kevin Rudd says he expects the federal government will “tear up” the 99-year lease of Darwin Port given to Chinese company Landbridge, due to the political damage it is doing to Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

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Date: 27/04/2021 14:37:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730152
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Kevin Rudd calls for national security review of Darwin Port lease
By Jano Gibson

Former PM Kevin Rudd says he expects the federal government will “tear up” the 99-year lease of Darwin Port given to Chinese company Landbridge, due to the political damage it is doing to Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Mike Pezzullo has things to say about that.

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Date: 27/04/2021 14:40:07
From: party_pants
ID: 1730154
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Kevin Rudd calls for national security review of Darwin Port lease
By Jano Gibson

Former PM Kevin Rudd says he expects the federal government will “tear up” the 99-year lease of Darwin Port given to Chinese company Landbridge, due to the political damage it is doing to Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Given how brown and smelly the relationship with China is right now, we might as well just add this one to the list. It has to be done sooner or later, so do it now, not while we are tip-toeing about in the future trying to rebuild bridges.

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Date: 27/04/2021 14:41:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730155
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

Kevin Rudd calls for national security review of Darwin Port lease
By Jano Gibson

Former PM Kevin Rudd says he expects the federal government will “tear up” the 99-year lease of Darwin Port given to Chinese company Landbridge, due to the political damage it is doing to Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Given how brown and smelly the relationship with China is right now, we might as well just add this one to the list. It has to be done sooner or later, so do it now, not while we are tip-toeing about in the future trying to rebuild bridges.


Yup.

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:03:53
From: Cymek
ID: 1730165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Kevin Rudd calls for national security review of Darwin Port lease
By Jano Gibson

Former PM Kevin Rudd says he expects the federal government will “tear up” the 99-year lease of Darwin Port given to Chinese company Landbridge, due to the political damage it is doing to Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Given how brown and smelly the relationship with China is right now, we might as well just add this one to the list. It has to be done sooner or later, so do it now, not while we are tip-toeing about in the future trying to rebuild bridges.


Yup.

Shouldn’t be giving them access to our facilities anyway or allowing them to buy up everything

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:08:57
From: party_pants
ID: 1730166
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Given how brown and smelly the relationship with China is right now, we might as well just add this one to the list. It has to be done sooner or later, so do it now, not while we are tip-toeing about in the future trying to rebuild bridges.


Yup.

Shouldn’t be giving them access to our facilities anyway or allowing them to buy up everything

I think you could say that about many foreign investors, not just Chinese. But unfortunately direct foreign investment is important. Maybe just a limited list of strategic assets (railways, ports, airports, power stations) could be on the list.

I’d love to limit foreign purchases of residential property, but if we did that house prices would collapse and lots of people will end up with negative equity and banks would be loaded up with bad debts. It would be electorally unpopular.

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:13:43
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1730170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Yup.

Shouldn’t be giving them access to our facilities anyway or allowing them to buy up everything

I think you could say that about many foreign investors, not just Chinese. But unfortunately direct foreign investment is important. Maybe just a limited list of strategic assets (railways, ports, airports, power stations) could be on the list.

I’d love to limit foreign purchases of residential property, but if we did that house prices would collapse and lots of people will end up with negative equity and banks would be loaded up with bad debts. It would be electorally unpopular.

Just found out something interesting, in context to foreign ownership, the Netherlands is the 3rd largest aussie farmland owner. China 1st, UK 2nd.

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:15:55
From: dv
ID: 1730174
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Shouldn’t be giving them access to our facilities anyway or allowing them to buy up everything

I think you could say that about many foreign investors, not just Chinese. But unfortunately direct foreign investment is important. Maybe just a limited list of strategic assets (railways, ports, airports, power stations) could be on the list.

I’d love to limit foreign purchases of residential property, but if we did that house prices would collapse and lots of people will end up with negative equity and banks would be loaded up with bad debts. It would be electorally unpopular.

Just found out something interesting, in context to foreign ownership, the Netherlands is the 3rd largest aussie farmland owner. China 1st, UK 2nd.

I remember the OG Nederlandischers who just made their own land.

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:24:59
From: Cymek
ID: 1730176
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Yup.

Shouldn’t be giving them access to our facilities anyway or allowing them to buy up everything

I think you could say that about many foreign investors, not just Chinese. But unfortunately direct foreign investment is important. Maybe just a limited list of strategic assets (railways, ports, airports, power stations) could be on the list.

I’d love to limit foreign purchases of residential property, but if we did that house prices would collapse and lots of people will end up with negative equity and banks would be loaded up with bad debts. It would be electorally unpopular.

Yes I don’t like the idea of foreign powers with ready cash buying up essential assets

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:38:11
From: party_pants
ID: 1730180
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Shouldn’t be giving them access to our facilities anyway or allowing them to buy up everything

I think you could say that about many foreign investors, not just Chinese. But unfortunately direct foreign investment is important. Maybe just a limited list of strategic assets (railways, ports, airports, power stations) could be on the list.

I’d love to limit foreign purchases of residential property, but if we did that house prices would collapse and lots of people will end up with negative equity and banks would be loaded up with bad debts. It would be electorally unpopular.

Just found out something interesting, in context to foreign ownership, the Netherlands is the 3rd largest aussie farmland owner. China 1st, UK 2nd.

I find that surprising, because the EU won’t allow imports of Australia farming goods into the common market without a shitload of tariffs and paperwork. Even if the farm is owned by a company based in the EU.

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:44:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730184
Subject: re: Aust Politics

surely this is all Albanese’s fault

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:48:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730188
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
deelect asap please

I’ll do my best.

I’ll work on the deelection thing, but he can still pray for me as often as he likes, if it makes him happy.

The Ancients Pentecorruptions Knew

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-27/hot-new-planet-toi-1431b-or-mascara-5b/100097126

Astrophysicist Dr Brett Addison described it as “a hellish world”.

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:51:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1730192
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


surely this is all Albanese’s fault

has Albanese done something so as to be at fault?

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:52:55
From: Cymek
ID: 1730195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:

I’ll do my best.

I’ll work on the deelection thing, but he can still pray for me as often as he likes, if it makes him happy.

The Ancients Pentecorruptions Knew

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-27/hot-new-planet-toi-1431b-or-mascara-5b/100097126

Astrophysicist Dr Brett Addison described it as “a hellish world”.

I find that strange when applied to gas giants you can’t exactly land on any of them or probably get close to them because of extreme radiation/magnetic fields

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:52:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1730196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

surely this is all Albanese’s fault

has Albanese done something so as to be at fault?

if he hasn’t then he can conveniently be blamed for not doing enough

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:53:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730198
Subject: re: Aust Politics

clearly Christian Porter did it wrong, he just needs to be

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-27/judge-dismisses-michael-jackson-accuser-wade-robson/100097438

black and have set up companies using his own money, not taxpayer funded graft

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Date: 27/04/2021 15:58:31
From: sibeen
ID: 1730201
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

surely this is all Albanese’s fault

has Albanese done something so as to be at fault?

Who?

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:03:10
From: Rule 303
ID: 1730204
Subject: re: Aust Politics

One of the local politicians (state, shadow) is meeting locals at the beaches down here to seek out their opinions on what a terrible job the state government is doing to protect beaches against erosion.

I feel somebody should have mentioned that Liberal politicians can hold back the tide.

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:05:03
From: party_pants
ID: 1730205
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


One of the local politicians (state, shadow) is meeting locals at the beaches down here to seek out their opinions on what a terrible job the state government is doing to protect beaches against erosion.

I feel somebody should have mentioned that Liberal politicians can hold back the tide.

erosion is shit, it just happens.

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:12:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1730208
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Rule 303 said:

One of the local politicians (state, shadow) is meeting locals at the beaches down here to seek out their opinions on what a terrible job the state government is doing to protect beaches against erosion.

I feel somebody should have mentioned that Liberal politicians can hold back the tide.

erosion is shit, it just happens.

Try telling that to some cashed-up wally who’s planning to build a ‘designer’ home on a ‘dream’ block that ends in a perpendicular transition from lawn through exposed soil and rocks to breaking waves.

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:25:44
From: Rule 303
ID: 1730213
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

One of the local politicians (state, shadow) is meeting locals at the beaches down here to seek out their opinions on what a terrible job the state government is doing to protect beaches against erosion.

I feel somebody should have mentioned that Liberal politicians can hold back the tide.

erosion is shit, it just happens.

Try telling that to some cashed-up wally who’s planning to build a ‘designer’ home on a ‘dream’ block that ends in a perpendicular transition from lawn through exposed soil and rocks to breaking waves.

Down near the end of the peninsula, the boat houses (yes, literally boat houses – 4mx6m wooden sheds) go for $5-600,000.

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:26:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730214
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
One of the local politicians (state, shadow) is meeting locals at the beaches down here to seek out their opinions on what a terrible job the state government is doing to protect beaches against erosion.

I feel somebody should have mentioned that Liberal politicians can hold back the tide.

erosion is shit, it just happens.

Try telling that to some cashed-up wally who’s planning to build a ‘designer’ home on a ‘dream’ block that ends in a perpendicular transition from lawn through exposed soil and rocks to breaking waves.

that’s called a boat, the Corruption Coalition are good at stopping those, except the ones full of COVID-19

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:28:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1730216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

that’s called a boat, the Corruption Coalition are good at stopping those, except the ones full of COVID-19

They’re not boats when they build them, but if the erosion is severe enough they become boats.

But, not very good boats.

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:35:14
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1730218
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ll work on the deelection thing, but he can still pray for me as often as he likes, if it makes him happy.

The Ancients Pentecorruptions Knew

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-27/hot-new-planet-toi-1431b-or-mascara-5b/100097126

Astrophysicist Dr Brett Addison described it as “a hellish world”.

I find that strange when applied to gas giants you can’t exactly land on any of them or probably get close to them because of extreme radiation/magnetic fields

and you try imposing some tax on them and see how you get on!!

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:35:57
From: Rule 303
ID: 1730219
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

that’s called a boat, the Corruption Coalition are good at stopping those, except the ones full of COVID-19

They’re not boats when they build them, but if the erosion is severe enough they become boats.

But, not very good boats.

I built one of these. The stumps are sitting on large concrete pads on the bedrock, but 12 months later I was back there chaining it to the cliff to stop it floating out the heads, like some of the others did. The sand washes in and out and gets deposited as the waves see fit.

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Date: 27/04/2021 16:38:13
From: party_pants
ID: 1730222
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

One of the local politicians (state, shadow) is meeting locals at the beaches down here to seek out their opinions on what a terrible job the state government is doing to protect beaches against erosion.

I feel somebody should have mentioned that Liberal politicians can hold back the tide.

erosion is shit, it just happens.

Try telling that to some cashed-up wally who’s planning to build a ‘designer’ home on a ‘dream’ block that ends in a perpendicular transition from lawn through exposed soil and rocks to breaking waves.

Alright. I will.

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:35:04
From: dv
ID: 1730240
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:36:16
From: party_pants
ID: 1730242
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

Is he a known fan of Dr Who?

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:37:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1730243
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

It’s almost like people are not defined by their demographic groups.

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:37:35
From: buffy
ID: 1730244
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

Is he a known fan of Dr Who?

Oh goodness no…The Church would not approve of that!

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:39:46
From: Cymek
ID: 1730249
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

Boxers, briefs or commando maybe

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:41:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1730251
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

Is he a known fan of Dr Who?

And even more importantly, are you a touchy hands-on Hillsong Pentecostal believer?

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:42:38
From: dv
ID: 1730252
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

It’s almost like people are not defined by their demographic groups.

Shocked face pikachu reaction meme template

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:43:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730253
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

It’s almost like people are not defined by their demographic groups.

there’s east and there’s west

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:45:03
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1730256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

It’s almost like people are not defined by their demographic groups.

Shocked face pikachu reaction meme template

Had to look up pikachu.

Didn’t help much :)

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:49:49
From: dv
ID: 1730262
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

Is he a known fan of Dr Who?

And even more importantly, are you a touchy hands-on Hillsong Pentecostal believer?

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Date: 27/04/2021 17:59:28
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1730274
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Pretty weird that we have a PM who matches me exactly in any demographic analysis but that I can’t relate to him even a little bit

Is he a known fan of Dr Who?

And even more importantly, are you a touchy hands-on Hillsong Pentecostal believer?

I had lunch today with a couple who are semi Pentecostal Catholics, they have their own group in the blue mountains but it is sanctioned by Rome apparently.

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Date: 27/04/2021 18:06:52
From: Michael V
ID: 1730285
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Is he a known fan of Dr Who?

And even more importantly, are you a touchy hands-on Hillsong Pentecostal believer?


LOL

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Date: 27/04/2021 18:37:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1730310
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Corporate welfare bludgers sucking on the public teat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-06enGEJNk

—Maybe poor people need lobbyists.

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Date: 27/04/2021 18:39:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730312
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

Corporate welfare bludgers sucking on the public teat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-06enGEJNk

—Maybe poor people need lobbyists.

and lawyers

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Date: 27/04/2021 18:47:00
From: dv
ID: 1730318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

Corporate welfare bludgers sucking on the public teat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-06enGEJNk

—Maybe poor people need lobbyists.

and lawyers

Maybe they need to use their massive electoral clout to punish corruption

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Date: 27/04/2021 19:07:30
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1730333
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“The fire burnt for 40 days and 40 nights. And Jesus hopped on the first flight to Hawaii.“

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/04/27/11-quotes-from-the-bible-that-back-up-scott-morrisons-claim-hes-doing-gods-work/?fbclid=IwAR0OHDrdk-OJOp_B-6vJIhbaLhVCgHR0Nm63tNCts0Cb5YOQU1b9cgRyL_w

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Date: 27/04/2021 20:27:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730352
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Greens leader Samantha Ratnam said the fine was too little, too late after years of inaction by both the state and federal regulators. Independent MP Andrew Wilkie called the million-dollar fine “laughable”. “The VCGLR really should be handing out fines in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars because that’s the only way to rein in a company like Crown,” he said. “It’s wilful ignorance that they didn’t do the checks, and didn’t want to do the checks.”

The million-dollar fine is the maximum available under the Casino Control Act. The commission has also issued a letter of censure to Crown which prohibits the casino from recommencing junket operations.

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Date: 27/04/2021 20:56:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730360
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Let’s Go, Talk The Talk, Walk The Wait What

Imagine a militaristic country, surrounded by rivals, where millions of Muslims are persecuted in the West which is actually in the East, but it must be a Good Thing ¡

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/human-rights-watch-accuses-…-apartheid-20210426-p57mc8.html

Colin Rubenstein, … said the report was a “textbook example of a biased organisation knowing what conclusion it wants to reach and then writing a report to substantiate it”.

according to the 213-page report, include restrictions on the movement … the confiscation of land, denial of building permits in large parts … denial of residency rights and the suspension of basic civil rights such as freedom of assembly and association.

The crime of persecution is defined as the severe deprivation of fundamental rights of a racial, ethnic or other group with discriminatory intent. The report finds … persecution through widespread confiscation of privately owned land, the effective prohibition on building or living in many areas, the mass denial of residency rights, and sweeping, decades-long restrictions on the freedom of movement and basic civil rights.

“APAN welcomes the Human Rights Watch report, and whilst it comes as no surprise … have been saying this for years, we hope the findings will compel the international community to act now and as a matter of urgency. The state … has denied millions … their fundamental rights based solely on who they are – or who they’re not – and it cannot continue to do so with such impunity,” he said. “Australia must also end all military trade that may directly contribute to the commission of the crimes outlined in this report.”

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Date: 28/04/2021 13:36:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1730623
Subject: re: Aust Politics

EXCLUSIVE: Liberal MP Andrew Laming has revealed the shock medical diagnosis that he believes explains some of his erratic and downright eccentric behaviour that friends admit has left his career “in flames”.

The veteran Queensland MP has told news.com.au he has been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or ADHD by a psychiatrist. He believes that the daily medication he now relies on has changed his life.

As he prepares to return to work after a month of enforced leave from work following a string of political scandals, he’s described the diagnosis as a “light bulb” moment.

He’s also told the Prime Minister he’s now undergoing ongoing treatment.

“As a medically trained person, I really genuinely just had no idea that ADHD and hyperactivity was an adult condition,’’ Dr Laming said.

“I just spoke honestly and openly with someone who understands ADHD intimately. It was very quick.

“I took medication the next day. On the second day I am just absolutely clear on the biological nature of this. I was stunned that I had taken a tablet and the thoughts I had lived with, all my life, raging in my head were just polite.”

Dr Laming insists he’s not looking for a “free pass” for his behaviour that includes allegations of the online abuse of constituents on Facebook, but admits his psychiatric diagnosis was a light bulb moment that has also transformed his relationship with his children.

“This is not an excuse,’’ he said.

“But it’s a genuine account of what has happened in the last month, which is remarkable.”

Dr Laming’s fall from grace follows revelations he took a photograph of a woman on her knees in a “crouching position” filling a bar fridge at a landscaping company prompting her to make a police complaint. Police cleared him and no charges were laid, just days after he agreed not to recontest the next election.

Laming says he was misrepresented

Despite his diagnosis and his empathy training, Dr Laming remains largely unrepentant over a string of scandals and accusations over his social media use – insisting he’s been misrepresented.

The Queensland woman who says Dr Laming took a photo of her bottom at work without her consent made a formal complaint to police this month. But police ultimately found there was no case to answer under the law.

Brisbane mother Crystal White was not amused over the picture of her bending down to fill a fridge with soft drink at her work. She said her underwear was visible in the photograph.

“I’ve documented the incident and for now that’s all I want to say,” she told 9News at the time. “The photo was really inappropriate, especially when I was bent over.”

But Dr Laming said any claims he took an inappropriate photo or that you could see her underwear was “ridiculous”.

“That’s ridiculous. She was wearing a normal uniform like everyone else,’’ he told news.com.au.

“The police have examined that. This was a broad workplace photo of the entire workplace. We mutually agreed they didn’t want to use that photo. So we just deleted it and that was the end of the story.

“What I am saying is when these facts were explored, the case was thrown out. What was described wasn’t true.

“She was crouching, in a crouch position, putting drinks in a fridge, like anyone would,” Dr Laming said.

Dr Laming is pursuing Channel Nine for defamation over the original report.

‘I make the rules and you follow them’

The Liberal MP was forced to apologise over the sickening online abuse of women who said they were left distressed and in one case ‘suicidal’.

Single mother Alix Russo told Nine News that she had been subjected to false claims and social media abuse by Dr Laming, including claims that she misappropriated funds from a not-for-profit charity.

In one Facebook post, Dr Laming questioned whether money was going on Ms Russo’s personal credit card for a Queensland charity that prepares hampers for the homeless.

In another, Dr Laming said: “You got nasty. Threatened self-harm. Unfortunately for you, I make the rules and you follow them.”

In tears, Ms Russo told Nine News that all of Night Ninjas financial records were available on the regulators website and the claims were baseless. But she said the allegations left her “suicidal”.

“To be tarnished and discredited and defamed. To our Prime Minister: this man needs to stop. He cannot continue to target his community like this,’’ Ms Russo said.

Queensland Labor MP Kim Richards also alleged she has been subjected to a “targeted, sustained, long-term” online campaign by Dr Laming.

ADHD may help explain ‘Why Andew Laming is a d**khead’

Some of Dr Laming’s colleagues and friends have a more blunt assessment: the ADHD diagnosis has helped explain “why Andrew Laming is a dickhead”.

Eye surgeon Dr Peter Sumich was a key figure in Dr Laming’s eventual diagnosis after he recognised the MP was exhibiting many of the symptoms of ADHD.

“I was watching (Sky News’) Paul Murray one night and Paul Murray said ‘What is wrong with that guy?’,’’ he said.

“And I thought: ‘What is wrong with that guy? What is wrong with Lammo?’ I have known him for many years. I thought, ‘Lammo has always been a ‘d**khead’’. He often offends people even when he doesn’t mean to.

“Just classic inattention and disorganisation. I have come to notice it and what is involved. The impulsiveness, or the attention span, the concentration. I thought, ‘Yeah, I reckon Laming has ADHD, he ticks every box’, the penny dropped.”

“I thought, ‘S**t. That’s what Lammo has got. That’s Lammo to a ‘T’ because he’s so disorganised, but he is so bright, he can’t stick on any task for any length of time’.”

Dr Sumich helped him get an appointment with a psychiatrist who specialises in ADHD but said he wasn’t the only person who noticed there was “something wrong with Laming”.

“I think he is very, very bright. I was talking to (Liberal frontbencher) Stuart Robert once and he said the two brightest guys in the Liberal Party are Lammo and Josh Frydenberg,’’ Dr Sumich said.

“And (Stuart Robert) says, ‘but we don’t know what is wrong with Lammo’.”

“But with ADHD as I have discovered with the illness, it’s a cognitive disorder, it’s not a mental disorder. When they want to do something they just obsess on it and they persevere with it.

“He obsesses on things. It will be about a constituent with a problem. He will just keep banging on their door until he gets an outcome, great for his constituents but bad for his relations in politics. That degree of hyperfocus I think is typical.

“He’s a classic. He has so many traits of ADHD.”

Family history of ADHD

Despite a family history of ADHD and telltale signs, Dr Laming says he never made the link between his symptoms.

“Not in a million years. Maybe some people had said I was hyperactive?’’ he said.

“The other half of this condition, the inattention, the inability to prioritise, those elements were absolutely florid as well.

“I never made that self-diagnosis.”

His outbursts, “jokes” and sometimes bizarre behaviour has left a trail of destruction in his professional life that stretches from his school days to his time at prestigious universities overseas.

He admits it was his electorate team who held the show together trying to pick up the slack from his illness and inability to concentrate.

Social media became a consuming addiction with the father of two avoiding playing board games with his two children to tap out 50,000 social media comments across 30 community pages each year.

“If there’s an addiction and a focus it would have been online activity. I was always online,’’ Dr Laming said.

Laming blames ADHD for 2007 investigation into AFP electoral rorts allegations

In 2007 the Queensland MP was the subject of a major AFP investigation into alleged electoral rorts in his office that ultimately resulted in no charges.

Intriguingly, Dr Laming believes it was his ADHD and his related inability to complete paperwork that was a key factor in the saga.

It is an assessment backed by his former staffer at the time Shane Godwin, who said the MP sometimes signed things and he didn’t know what he was signing.

When discussing the ADHD diagnosis of his old boss Mr Godwin burst into laughter before saying “well, what a surprise!”

“Look, one of the best stories of the time working for Andrew was when he was being investigated by the Australian Federal Police,’’ he said.

We were both interviewed by Andrew’s lawyer separately. He asked ‘what was it like working there’. My answer was ‘It’s like working in any other workplace…then cyclone Andrew turns up and your entire plan is blown out of the water’.

“He’s a firecracker. I often describe him as walking a fine line between genius and insanity.”

Mr Godwin insists some of Dr Laming’s critics have engaged in “a stitch up” designed to run him out of politics.

Sister of Queensland’s infamous ‘penis plonking’ former MP one of Laming’s accusers

One of Dr Laming’s accusers is the sister of Queensland’s infamous “penis plonking” MP.

Sheena Hewlett is a former LNP branch official whose brother, ex-Redlands MP Peter Dowling, was dumped by the party in 2014 over a sexting scandal where he sent women close-up pictures of his penis – one of them showing it plonked in a glass of wine.

Dr Laming has been involved in a long running feud with Ms Hewlett that culminated in her tearfully accusing him of harassing her online on Channel Nine, before he recently offered an apology in Parliament.

“I want to retract those comments and issue an unreserved public apology,” he said in a statement.

But Dr Laming later admitted he didn’t know what he was apologising for and suggested his enemies were trying to retrofit his engagement with some enemies as harassment.

“I think she gives as good as she gets,’’ he said.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-says-shock-medical-diagnosis-explains-behaviour-that-left-his-career-in-tatters/news-story/6bca4a47003a60c2de8e6ebac396d2eb#.t85ko

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Date: 28/04/2021 15:25:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

EXCLUSIVE: Liberal MP Andrew Laming has revealed the shock medical diagnosis that he believes explains some of his erratic and downright eccentric behaviour that friends admit has left his career “in flames”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-says-shock-medical-diagnosis-explains-behaviour-that-left-his-career-in-tatters/news-story/6bca4a47003a60c2de8e6ebac396d2eb#.t85ko

so Big Boys Behaving Badly as long as they have enough corruption cash to buy the right medical opinions are always because they have some kind of Diagnosis, a Disease, some kind of Condition, always special Cases yeah

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Date: 28/04/2021 15:32:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1730655
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:
EXCLUSIVE: Liberal MP Andrew Laming has revealed the shock medical diagnosis that he believes explains some of his erratic and downright eccentric behaviour that friends admit has left his career “in flames”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-says-shock-medical-diagnosis-explains-behaviour-that-left-his-career-in-tatters/news-story/6bca4a47003a60c2de8e6ebac396d2eb#.t85ko

so Big Boys Behaving Badly as long as they have enough corruption cash to buy the right medical opinions are always because they have some kind of Diagnosis, a Disease, some kind of Condition, always special Cases yeah

Heel spurs!

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Date: 28/04/2021 16:01:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1730680
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:
EXCLUSIVE: Liberal MP Andrew Laming has revealed the shock medical diagnosis that he believes explains some of his erratic and downright eccentric behaviour that friends admit has left his career “in flames”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-says-shock-medical-diagnosis-explains-behaviour-that-left-his-career-in-tatters/news-story/6bca4a47003a60c2de8e6ebac396d2eb#.t85ko

so Big Boys Behaving Badly as long as they have enough corruption cash to buy the right medical opinions are always because they have some kind of Diagnosis, a Disease, some kind of Condition, always special Cases yeah

Heel spurs!

I might accept the diagnosis even though it does sound convenient. But does it explain him going out of his way to troll people? to bully people who have few resources to stop his bullying? Is a diagnosis of ADHD a diagnosis of be being a bullying prick?

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Date: 28/04/2021 16:02:55
From: Michael V
ID: 1730682
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

so Big Boys Behaving Badly as long as they have enough corruption cash to buy the right medical opinions are always because they have some kind of Diagnosis, a Disease, some kind of Condition, always special Cases yeah

Heel spurs!

I might accept the diagnosis even though it does sound convenient. But does it explain him going out of his way to troll people? to bully people who have few resources to stop his bullying? Is a diagnosis of ADHD a diagnosis of be being a bullying prick?

Generally not.

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Date: 28/04/2021 16:43:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1730699
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Heaven On Earth Scott Morrison and the Seven Mountains mandate: how the PM is changing Australia in God’s name

DAVID HARDAKER

Crikey

Scott Morrison’s address to the Australian Christian Churches (ACC) gathering on the Gold Coast last week began with a roll call of Christian influence on the government. The words were music to the ears of an adoring audience of Pentecostal Christians lapping up the proof of how far they’d come with one of their own in the highest political office in the land.

“Brother Stewie,” the prime minister said, name-checking Employment Minister Stuart Robert, a fellow Pentacostal. Robert has recently been promoted to the government’s powerful Expenditure Review Committee.

Then there was “brother Matt”, who’d “recently joined us”. This was West Australian Liberal Matt O’Sullivan, elected to the Senate in 2019, who graduated into politics via billionaire Christian businessman Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation. In his brief time in Parliament, O’Sullivan has already distinguished himself as a defender of the government’s robodebt scheme (which was incidentally introduced on the watch of Scott Morrison as social services minister).

“It’s wonderful to have here joining our band of Christian believers in Canberra … ” Morrison said. “And there’s more of us from all different denominations providing encouragement and fellowship to each other.”

The audience was by now close to a state of rapture.

Here was proof of the outsize influence of Pentecostalism within the Australian government. Followed by just over 1% of Australians, the religion now lays claim to a prime minister, a cabinet minister and a new senator carrying its standard in government.

For Pastor Bob Cotton — a sceptic of the thrusting political power of the ACC and the brand of “prosperity Christianity” it represents — it was a demonstration, too, of the power of the so-called “Seven Mountains mandate” in action.
A Seven Mountains pin-up boy

The Seven Mountains mandate is a little-known Christian movement that aims to wield influence in seven key areas of society. And having Pentecostal Scott Morrison in the Lodge made him “the pin-up boy globally” of the mandate, Cotton told Crikey.

The seven key sectors are: education, religion, family, business, government/military, arts/entertainment, and finally media. (Yes. Media.)

Those who follow the Seven Mountains mandate believe that “before Christ can return” the church must take control of these seven spheres for the glory of Christ. Once the world has been made subject to the kingdom of God, Jesus will return and rule the world. That’s how vital it is to get control.

As Cotton explains, the Seven Mountains mandate is a spin-off of another Christian movement called Dominionism. The name is drawn from the biblical reference to Adam in the Garden of Eden having “dominion over every creature”.

“The bible doesn’t teach this stuff,” Cotton told Crikey. “It’s false but it works on people who are gullible.”

The Seven Mountains mandate operates in some ways like a secret society. If you know the code then you’re in the know. And then you’re in.
Church and State Summit

One example Cotton points to is an annual gathering called the “Church and State Summit”, which brings together prominent figures from politics, business, the media and academia. The logo for the summit’s website is a discreet graphic of seven mountain peaks which, according to Cotton is “unmistakably” a Seven Mountains mandate symbol.

Speakers at the 2021 summit included Cardinal George Pell, Australian Christian Lobby head Martin Isles, and Senator Matt Canavan, whose short bio spruiked the north Queensland conservative as taking “a public role in arguing for the biblical definition of marriage during the public debate on the topic in 2017”.

Speakers at the 2020 conference included Senator Eric Abetz, Queensland LNP state MP Fiona Simpson, and Dave Hodgson, a former special forces commando and born-again founder of the Paladin group of companies valued in excess of $1 billion. According to his bio, Hodgson is a “highly sought-after speaker at global summits and churches all over the world” who teaches how he learnt to do God’s will, God’s way, “resulting in a meteoric rise from $76,000 credit card debt to a $100 million business in 31 months”.

In 2019, Murdoch columnist Miranda Devine and Queensland Senator Amanda Stoker were listed as speakers. Stoker, according to her bio, wanted to see Australia return to being “a free land of opportunity, based on Christian values”. LNP member George Christensen was also a speaker.

A driving force behind the Seven Mountains movement is a US Pentecostal televangelist called Kenneth Copeland, who also has a major presence in Australia via the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Mansfield, Queensland.

Copeland is an eloquent proponent of the “prosperity gospel”, which preaches a message of abundance through religion. It’s a message which has drawn the enthusiastic backing of Hillsong church founder and Morrison confidant Brian Houston, who sent Copeland his warm congratulations via video for his years of ministry.

Thankfully for him he has now been blessed with a net worth estimated at close to US$900 million, demonstrating that, like some other preachers, he has successfully put his mouth where the money is.

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Date: 28/04/2021 16:52:21
From: Cymek
ID: 1730701
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:

Heaven On Earth Scott Morrison and the Seven Mountains mandate: how the PM is changing Australia in God’s name

DAVID HARDAKER

Crikey

Scott Morrison’s address to the Australian Christian Churches (ACC) gathering on the Gold Coast last week began with a roll call of Christian influence on the government. The words were music to the ears of an adoring audience of Pentecostal Christians lapping up the proof of how far they’d come with one of their own in the highest political office in the land.

“Brother Stewie,” the prime minister said, name-checking Employment Minister Stuart Robert, a fellow Pentacostal. Robert has recently been promoted to the government’s powerful Expenditure Review Committee.

Then there was “brother Matt”, who’d “recently joined us”. This was West Australian Liberal Matt O’Sullivan, elected to the Senate in 2019, who graduated into politics via billionaire Christian businessman Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation. In his brief time in Parliament, O’Sullivan has already distinguished himself as a defender of the government’s robodebt scheme (which was incidentally introduced on the watch of Scott Morrison as social services minister).

“It’s wonderful to have here joining our band of Christian believers in Canberra … ” Morrison said. “And there’s more of us from all different denominations providing encouragement and fellowship to each other.”

The audience was by now close to a state of rapture.

Here was proof of the outsize influence of Pentecostalism within the Australian government. Followed by just over 1% of Australians, the religion now lays claim to a prime minister, a cabinet minister and a new senator carrying its standard in government.

For Pastor Bob Cotton — a sceptic of the thrusting political power of the ACC and the brand of “prosperity Christianity” it represents — it was a demonstration, too, of the power of the so-called “Seven Mountains mandate” in action.
A Seven Mountains pin-up boy

The Seven Mountains mandate is a little-known Christian movement that aims to wield influence in seven key areas of society. And having Pentecostal Scott Morrison in the Lodge made him “the pin-up boy globally” of the mandate, Cotton told Crikey.

The seven key sectors are: education, religion, family, business, government/military, arts/entertainment, and finally media. (Yes. Media.)

Those who follow the Seven Mountains mandate believe that “before Christ can return” the church must take control of these seven spheres for the glory of Christ. Once the world has been made subject to the kingdom of God, Jesus will return and rule the world. That’s how vital it is to get control.

As Cotton explains, the Seven Mountains mandate is a spin-off of another Christian movement called Dominionism. The name is drawn from the biblical reference to Adam in the Garden of Eden having “dominion over every creature”.

“The bible doesn’t teach this stuff,” Cotton told Crikey. “It’s false but it works on people who are gullible.”

The Seven Mountains mandate operates in some ways like a secret society. If you know the code then you’re in the know. And then you’re in.
Church and State Summit

One example Cotton points to is an annual gathering called the “Church and State Summit”, which brings together prominent figures from politics, business, the media and academia. The logo for the summit’s website is a discreet graphic of seven mountain peaks which, according to Cotton is “unmistakably” a Seven Mountains mandate symbol.

Speakers at the 2021 summit included Cardinal George Pell, Australian Christian Lobby head Martin Isles, and Senator Matt Canavan, whose short bio spruiked the north Queensland conservative as taking “a public role in arguing for the biblical definition of marriage during the public debate on the topic in 2017”.

Speakers at the 2020 conference included Senator Eric Abetz, Queensland LNP state MP Fiona Simpson, and Dave Hodgson, a former special forces commando and born-again founder of the Paladin group of companies valued in excess of $1 billion. According to his bio, Hodgson is a “highly sought-after speaker at global summits and churches all over the world” who teaches how he learnt to do God’s will, God’s way, “resulting in a meteoric rise from $76,000 credit card debt to a $100 million business in 31 months”.

In 2019, Murdoch columnist Miranda Devine and Queensland Senator Amanda Stoker were listed as speakers. Stoker, according to her bio, wanted to see Australia return to being “a free land of opportunity, based on Christian values”. LNP member George Christensen was also a speaker.

A driving force behind the Seven Mountains movement is a US Pentecostal televangelist called Kenneth Copeland, who also has a major presence in Australia via the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Mansfield, Queensland.

Copeland is an eloquent proponent of the “prosperity gospel”, which preaches a message of abundance through religion. It’s a message which has drawn the enthusiastic backing of Hillsong church founder and Morrison confidant Brian Houston, who sent Copeland his warm congratulations via video for his years of ministry.

Thankfully for him he has now been blessed with a net worth estimated at close to US$900 million, demonstrating that, like some other preachers, he has successfully put his mouth where the money is.

Would the counter movement be In The Mountains Of Madness movement, all hail the Elder Gods

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Date: 28/04/2021 16:52:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1730702
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:

Heaven On Earth Scott Morrison and the Seven Mountains mandate: how the PM is changing Australia in God’s name

DAVID HARDAKER

Crikey

Scott Morrison’s address to the Australian Christian Churches (ACC) gathering on the Gold Coast last week began with a roll call of Christian influence on the government. The words were music to the ears of an adoring audience of Pentecostal Christians lapping up the proof of how far they’d come with one of their own in the highest political office in the land.

“Brother Stewie,” the prime minister said, name-checking Employment Minister Stuart Robert, a fellow Pentacostal. Robert has recently been promoted to the government’s powerful Expenditure Review Committee.

Then there was “brother Matt”, who’d “recently joined us”. This was West Australian Liberal Matt O’Sullivan, elected to the Senate in 2019, who graduated into politics via billionaire Christian businessman Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation. In his brief time in Parliament, O’Sullivan has already distinguished himself as a defender of the government’s robodebt scheme (which was incidentally introduced on the watch of Scott Morrison as social services minister).

“It’s wonderful to have here joining our band of Christian believers in Canberra … ” Morrison said. “And there’s more of us from all different denominations providing encouragement and fellowship to each other.”

The audience was by now close to a state of rapture.

Here was proof of the outsize influence of Pentecostalism within the Australian government. Followed by just over 1% of Australians, the religion now lays claim to a prime minister, a cabinet minister and a new senator carrying its standard in government.

For Pastor Bob Cotton — a sceptic of the thrusting political power of the ACC and the brand of “prosperity Christianity” it represents — it was a demonstration, too, of the power of the so-called “Seven Mountains mandate” in action.
A Seven Mountains pin-up boy

The Seven Mountains mandate is a little-known Christian movement that aims to wield influence in seven key areas of society. And having Pentecostal Scott Morrison in the Lodge made him “the pin-up boy globally” of the mandate, Cotton told Crikey.

The seven key sectors are: education, religion, family, business, government/military, arts/entertainment, and finally media. (Yes. Media.)

Those who follow the Seven Mountains mandate believe that “before Christ can return” the church must take control of these seven spheres for the glory of Christ. Once the world has been made subject to the kingdom of God, Jesus will return and rule the world. That’s how vital it is to get control.

As Cotton explains, the Seven Mountains mandate is a spin-off of another Christian movement called Dominionism. The name is drawn from the biblical reference to Adam in the Garden of Eden having “dominion over every creature”.

“The bible doesn’t teach this stuff,” Cotton told Crikey. “It’s false but it works on people who are gullible.”

The Seven Mountains mandate operates in some ways like a secret society. If you know the code then you’re in the know. And then you’re in.
Church and State Summit

One example Cotton points to is an annual gathering called the “Church and State Summit”, which brings together prominent figures from politics, business, the media and academia. The logo for the summit’s website is a discreet graphic of seven mountain peaks which, according to Cotton is “unmistakably” a Seven Mountains mandate symbol.

Speakers at the 2021 summit included Cardinal George Pell, Australian Christian Lobby head Martin Isles, and Senator Matt Canavan, whose short bio spruiked the north Queensland conservative as taking “a public role in arguing for the biblical definition of marriage during the public debate on the topic in 2017”.

Speakers at the 2020 conference included Senator Eric Abetz, Queensland LNP state MP Fiona Simpson, and Dave Hodgson, a former special forces commando and born-again founder of the Paladin group of companies valued in excess of $1 billion. According to his bio, Hodgson is a “highly sought-after speaker at global summits and churches all over the world” who teaches how he learnt to do God’s will, God’s way, “resulting in a meteoric rise from $76,000 credit card debt to a $100 million business in 31 months”.

In 2019, Murdoch columnist Miranda Devine and Queensland Senator Amanda Stoker were listed as speakers. Stoker, according to her bio, wanted to see Australia return to being “a free land of opportunity, based on Christian values”. LNP member George Christensen was also a speaker.

A driving force behind the Seven Mountains movement is a US Pentecostal televangelist called Kenneth Copeland, who also has a major presence in Australia via the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Mansfield, Queensland.

Copeland is an eloquent proponent of the “prosperity gospel”, which preaches a message of abundance through religion. It’s a message which has drawn the enthusiastic backing of Hillsong church founder and Morrison confidant Brian Houston, who sent Copeland his warm congratulations via video for his years of ministry.

Thankfully for him he has now been blessed with a net worth estimated at close to US$900 million, demonstrating that, like some other preachers, he has successfully put his mouth where the money is.

Crikey!

Is that true?

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Date: 28/04/2021 16:58:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1730705
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:

Heaven On Earth Scott Morrison and the Seven Mountains mandate: how the PM is changing Australia in God’s name

DAVID HARDAKER

Crikey

Scott Morrison’s address to the Australian Christian Churches (ACC) gathering on the Gold Coast last week began with a roll call of Christian influence on the government. The words were music to the ears of an adoring audience of Pentecostal Christians lapping up the proof of how far they’d come with one of their own in the highest political office in the land.

“Brother Stewie,” the prime minister said, name-checking Employment Minister Stuart Robert, a fellow Pentacostal. Robert has recently been promoted to the government’s powerful Expenditure Review Committee.

Then there was “brother Matt”, who’d “recently joined us”. This was West Australian Liberal Matt O’Sullivan, elected to the Senate in 2019, who graduated into politics via billionaire Christian businessman Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation. In his brief time in Parliament, O’Sullivan has already distinguished himself as a defender of the government’s robodebt scheme (which was incidentally introduced on the watch of Scott Morrison as social services minister).

“It’s wonderful to have here joining our band of Christian believers in Canberra … ” Morrison said. “And there’s more of us from all different denominations providing encouragement and fellowship to each other.”

The audience was by now close to a state of rapture.

Here was proof of the outsize influence of Pentecostalism within the Australian government. Followed by just over 1% of Australians, the religion now lays claim to a prime minister, a cabinet minister and a new senator carrying its standard in government.

For Pastor Bob Cotton — a sceptic of the thrusting political power of the ACC and the brand of “prosperity Christianity” it represents — it was a demonstration, too, of the power of the so-called “Seven Mountains mandate” in action.
A Seven Mountains pin-up boy

The Seven Mountains mandate is a little-known Christian movement that aims to wield influence in seven key areas of society. And having Pentecostal Scott Morrison in the Lodge made him “the pin-up boy globally” of the mandate, Cotton told Crikey.

The seven key sectors are: education, religion, family, business, government/military, arts/entertainment, and finally media. (Yes. Media.)

Those who follow the Seven Mountains mandate believe that “before Christ can return” the church must take control of these seven spheres for the glory of Christ. Once the world has been made subject to the kingdom of God, Jesus will return and rule the world. That’s how vital it is to get control.

As Cotton explains, the Seven Mountains mandate is a spin-off of another Christian movement called Dominionism. The name is drawn from the biblical reference to Adam in the Garden of Eden having “dominion over every creature”.

“The bible doesn’t teach this stuff,” Cotton told Crikey. “It’s false but it works on people who are gullible.”

The Seven Mountains mandate operates in some ways like a secret society. If you know the code then you’re in the know. And then you’re in.
Church and State Summit

One example Cotton points to is an annual gathering called the “Church and State Summit”, which brings together prominent figures from politics, business, the media and academia. The logo for the summit’s website is a discreet graphic of seven mountain peaks which, according to Cotton is “unmistakably” a Seven Mountains mandate symbol.

Speakers at the 2021 summit included Cardinal George Pell, Australian Christian Lobby head Martin Isles, and Senator Matt Canavan, whose short bio spruiked the north Queensland conservative as taking “a public role in arguing for the biblical definition of marriage during the public debate on the topic in 2017”.

Speakers at the 2020 conference included Senator Eric Abetz, Queensland LNP state MP Fiona Simpson, and Dave Hodgson, a former special forces commando and born-again founder of the Paladin group of companies valued in excess of $1 billion. According to his bio, Hodgson is a “highly sought-after speaker at global summits and churches all over the world” who teaches how he learnt to do God’s will, God’s way, “resulting in a meteoric rise from $76,000 credit card debt to a $100 million business in 31 months”.

In 2019, Murdoch columnist Miranda Devine and Queensland Senator Amanda Stoker were listed as speakers. Stoker, according to her bio, wanted to see Australia return to being “a free land of opportunity, based on Christian values”. LNP member George Christensen was also a speaker.

A driving force behind the Seven Mountains movement is a US Pentecostal televangelist called Kenneth Copeland, who also has a major presence in Australia via the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Mansfield, Queensland.

Copeland is an eloquent proponent of the “prosperity gospel”, which preaches a message of abundance through religion. It’s a message which has drawn the enthusiastic backing of Hillsong church founder and Morrison confidant Brian Houston, who sent Copeland his warm congratulations via video for his years of ministry.

Thankfully for him he has now been blessed with a net worth estimated at close to US$900 million, demonstrating that, like some other preachers, he has successfully put his mouth where the money is.

a society for awful people? that’s what God wants?

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Date: 28/04/2021 17:02:07
From: Michael V
ID: 1730707
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ChrispenEvan said:
Heaven On Earth Scott Morrison and the Seven Mountains mandate: how the PM is changing Australia in God’s name

DAVID HARDAKER

Crikey

Scott Morrison’s address to the Australian Christian Churches (ACC) gathering on the Gold Coast last week began with a roll call of Christian influence on the government. The words were music to the ears of an adoring audience of Pentecostal Christians lapping up the proof of how far they’d come with one of their own in the highest political office in the land.

“Brother Stewie,” the prime minister said, name-checking Employment Minister Stuart Robert, a fellow Pentacostal. Robert has recently been promoted to the government’s powerful Expenditure Review Committee.

Then there was “brother Matt”, who’d “recently joined us”. This was West Australian Liberal Matt O’Sullivan, elected to the Senate in 2019, who graduated into politics via billionaire Christian businessman Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation. In his brief time in Parliament, O’Sullivan has already distinguished himself as a defender of the government’s robodebt scheme (which was incidentally introduced on the watch of Scott Morrison as social services minister).

“It’s wonderful to have here joining our band of Christian believers in Canberra … ” Morrison said. “And there’s more of us from all different denominations providing encouragement and fellowship to each other.”

The audience was by now close to a state of rapture.

Here was proof of the outsize influence of Pentecostalism within the Australian government. Followed by just over 1% of Australians, the religion now lays claim to a prime minister, a cabinet minister and a new senator carrying its standard in government.

For Pastor Bob Cotton — a sceptic of the thrusting political power of the ACC and the brand of “prosperity Christianity” it represents — it was a demonstration, too, of the power of the so-called “Seven Mountains mandate” in action.
A Seven Mountains pin-up boy

The Seven Mountains mandate is a little-known Christian movement that aims to wield influence in seven key areas of society. And having Pentecostal Scott Morrison in the Lodge made him “the pin-up boy globally” of the mandate, Cotton told Crikey.

The seven key sectors are: education, religion, family, business, government/military, arts/entertainment, and finally media. (Yes. Media.)

Those who follow the Seven Mountains mandate believe that “before Christ can return” the church must take control of these seven spheres for the glory of Christ. Once the world has been made subject to the kingdom of God, Jesus will return and rule the world. That’s how vital it is to get control.

As Cotton explains, the Seven Mountains mandate is a spin-off of another Christian movement called Dominionism. The name is drawn from the biblical reference to Adam in the Garden of Eden having “dominion over every creature”.

“The bible doesn’t teach this stuff,” Cotton told Crikey. “It’s false but it works on people who are gullible.”

The Seven Mountains mandate operates in some ways like a secret society. If you know the code then you’re in the know. And then you’re in.
Church and State Summit

One example Cotton points to is an annual gathering called the “Church and State Summit”, which brings together prominent figures from politics, business, the media and academia. The logo for the summit’s website is a discreet graphic of seven mountain peaks which, according to Cotton is “unmistakably” a Seven Mountains mandate symbol.

Speakers at the 2021 summit included Cardinal George Pell, Australian Christian Lobby head Martin Isles, and Senator Matt Canavan, whose short bio spruiked the north Queensland conservative as taking “a public role in arguing for the biblical definition of marriage during the public debate on the topic in 2017”.

Speakers at the 2020 conference included Senator Eric Abetz, Queensland LNP state MP Fiona Simpson, and Dave Hodgson, a former special forces commando and born-again founder of the Paladin group of companies valued in excess of $1 billion. According to his bio, Hodgson is a “highly sought-after speaker at global summits and churches all over the world” who teaches how he learnt to do God’s will, God’s way, “resulting in a meteoric rise from $76,000 credit card debt to a $100 million business in 31 months”.

In 2019, Murdoch columnist Miranda Devine and Queensland Senator Amanda Stoker were listed as speakers. Stoker, according to her bio, wanted to see Australia return to being “a free land of opportunity, based on Christian values”. LNP member George Christensen was also a speaker.

A driving force behind the Seven Mountains movement is a US Pentecostal televangelist called Kenneth Copeland, who also has a major presence in Australia via the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Mansfield, Queensland.

Copeland is an eloquent proponent of the “prosperity gospel”, which preaches a message of abundance through religion. It’s a message which has drawn the enthusiastic backing of Hillsong church founder and Morrison confidant Brian Houston, who sent Copeland his warm congratulations via video for his years of ministry.

Thankfully for him he has now been blessed with a net worth estimated at close to US$900 million, demonstrating that, like some other preachers, he has successfully put his mouth where the money is.

a society for awful people? that’s what God wants?

God works in mysterious ways…

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Date: 28/04/2021 17:12:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1730709
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:
Heaven On Earth Scott Morrison and the Seven Mountains mandate: how the PM is changing Australia in God’s name

DAVID HARDAKER

Crikey

Scott Morrison’s address to the Australian Christian Churches (ACC) gathering on the Gold Coast last week began with a roll call of Christian influence on the government. The words were music to the ears of an adoring audience of Pentecostal Christians lapping up the proof of how far they’d come with one of their own in the highest political office in the land.

“Brother Stewie,” the prime minister said, name-checking Employment Minister Stuart Robert, a fellow Pentacostal. Robert has recently been promoted to the government’s powerful Expenditure Review Committee.

Then there was “brother Matt”, who’d “recently joined us”. This was West Australian Liberal Matt O’Sullivan, elected to the Senate in 2019, who graduated into politics via billionaire Christian businessman Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation. In his brief time in Parliament, O’Sullivan has already distinguished himself as a defender of the government’s robodebt scheme (which was incidentally introduced on the watch of Scott Morrison as social services minister).

“It’s wonderful to have here joining our band of Christian believers in Canberra … ” Morrison said. “And there’s more of us from all different denominations providing encouragement and fellowship to each other.”

The audience was by now close to a state of rapture.

Here was proof of the outsize influence of Pentecostalism within the Australian government. Followed by just over 1% of Australians, the religion now lays claim to a prime minister, a cabinet minister and a new senator carrying its standard in government.

For Pastor Bob Cotton — a sceptic of the thrusting political power of the ACC and the brand of “prosperity Christianity” it represents — it was a demonstration, too, of the power of the so-called “Seven Mountains mandate” in action.
A Seven Mountains pin-up boy

The Seven Mountains mandate is a little-known Christian movement that aims to wield influence in seven key areas of society. And having Pentecostal Scott Morrison in the Lodge made him “the pin-up boy globally” of the mandate, Cotton told Crikey.

The seven key sectors are: education, religion, family, business, government/military, arts/entertainment, and finally media. (Yes. Media.)

Those who follow the Seven Mountains mandate believe that “before Christ can return” the church must take control of these seven spheres for the glory of Christ. Once the world has been made subject to the kingdom of God, Jesus will return and rule the world. That’s how vital it is to get control.

As Cotton explains, the Seven Mountains mandate is a spin-off of another Christian movement called Dominionism. The name is drawn from the biblical reference to Adam in the Garden of Eden having “dominion over every creature”.

“The bible doesn’t teach this stuff,” Cotton told Crikey. “It’s false but it works on people who are gullible.”

The Seven Mountains mandate operates in some ways like a secret society. If you know the code then you’re in the know. And then you’re in.
Church and State Summit

One example Cotton points to is an annual gathering called the “Church and State Summit”, which brings together prominent figures from politics, business, the media and academia. The logo for the summit’s website is a discreet graphic of seven mountain peaks which, according to Cotton is “unmistakably” a Seven Mountains mandate symbol.

Speakers at the 2021 summit included Cardinal George Pell, Australian Christian Lobby head Martin Isles, and Senator Matt Canavan, whose short bio spruiked the north Queensland conservative as taking “a public role in arguing for the biblical definition of marriage during the public debate on the topic in 2017”.

Speakers at the 2020 conference included Senator Eric Abetz, Queensland LNP state MP Fiona Simpson, and Dave Hodgson, a former special forces commando and born-again founder of the Paladin group of companies valued in excess of $1 billion. According to his bio, Hodgson is a “highly sought-after speaker at global summits and churches all over the world” who teaches how he learnt to do God’s will, God’s way, “resulting in a meteoric rise from $76,000 credit card debt to a $100 million business in 31 months”.

In 2019, Murdoch columnist Miranda Devine and Queensland Senator Amanda Stoker were listed as speakers. Stoker, according to her bio, wanted to see Australia return to being “a free land of opportunity, based on Christian values”. LNP member George Christensen was also a speaker.

A driving force behind the Seven Mountains movement is a US Pentecostal televangelist called Kenneth Copeland, who also has a major presence in Australia via the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Mansfield, Queensland.

Copeland is an eloquent proponent of the “prosperity gospel”, which preaches a message of abundance through religion. It’s a message which has drawn the enthusiastic backing of Hillsong church founder and Morrison confidant Brian Houston, who sent Copeland his warm congratulations via video for his years of ministry.

Thankfully for him he has now been blessed with a net worth estimated at close to US$900 million, demonstrating that, like some other preachers, he has successfully put his mouth where the money is.

a society for awful people? that’s what God wants?

God works in mysterious ways…

It makes me angry. The Church of Robodebts and Indue cards.

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Date: 28/04/2021 17:16:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1730710
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Can’t help thinking if we had a decent Opposition, they’d be devising ways of turning this against the libnats.

A government run by religious nutcases should be an easy target in this heavily secular society.

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Date: 28/04/2021 17:19:58
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1730711
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 28/04/2021 17:30:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730715
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Heel spurs!

I might accept the diagnosis even though it does sound convenient. But does it explain him going out of his way to troll people? to bully people who have few resources to stop his bullying? Is a diagnosis of ADHD a diagnosis of be being a bullying prick?

Generally not.

we mean it’s like how alcohol turns everyone into rabid misogynistic racists right, just say you had a few drinks and you’re Scott “Free Of Responsibility I Don’t Hold A Hose Or A Needle” Morrison

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Date: 28/04/2021 17:43:07
From: dv
ID: 1730726
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 28/04/2021 17:57:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1730727
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

a society for awful people? that’s what God wants?

God works in mysterious ways…

It makes me angry. The Church of Robodebts and Indue cards.

Yes.

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Date: 28/04/2021 18:05:20
From: Ian
ID: 1730728
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://twitter.com/i/status/1381865171107282947

Sooty on the job

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Date: 28/04/2021 18:13:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730729
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1381865171107282947

Sooty on the job

they forgot the end of the production line where the Australian people are babies happily drinking from those bottles

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Date: 28/04/2021 18:45:14
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1730734
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



What was the outcome of those cases?

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Date: 28/04/2021 20:23:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730767
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scott Morrison denies major investment in military bases in northern Australia aimed at sending message to China

Scott Morrison announced $747 million of funding for defence facilities in the Northern Territory.

lying again

obviously this joker is trying to send the message to CHINA that Australia is willing to spend more on corruption grants to mates than on defence infrastructure

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Date: 28/04/2021 20:26:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730769
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Palmed Off Again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-28/clive-palmer-central-queensland-coal-mine-deemed-not-suitable/100102148

quick this is clearly Marketing’s good work, all credit to Marketing, give him another 3 terms please yeah

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Date: 28/04/2021 21:14:54
From: dv
ID: 1730788
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 28/04/2021 21:15:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1730789
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



pay that :)

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Date: 28/04/2021 23:21:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1730824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

No Cashless Debit Card Australia
9 hrs ·
The Australian adult ADHD community is not going to be happy to have this serial liar and narcissist try to blame this condition for his very targeted and selective abuse of the poor, PWD, women and the aboriginal community. ADHD is not so selective as he hopes.
As crude as it sounds, but as someone has noted earlier – a turd with ADHD is still very much , a turd. This man has condemned so many people with mental health conditions on DSP and not, to live’s under forced income management we cannot hold any sympathy for his diagnosis whatsoever. ADHD is not an excuse, not a ‘reason’ for his foul lewd and shameful activities and given the cost of the #CashlessDebitCard is being counted in lives lost, he can go to hell trying to curry sympathies where none are owed him.

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Date: 28/04/2021 23:42:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1730825
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


No Cashless Debit Card Australia
9 hrs ·
The Australian adult ADHD community is not going to be happy to have this serial liar and narcissist try to blame this condition for his very targeted and selective abuse of the poor, PWD, women and the aboriginal community. ADHD is not so selective as he hopes.
As crude as it sounds, but as someone has noted earlier – a turd with ADHD is still very much , a turd. This man has condemned so many people with mental health conditions on DSP and not, to live’s under forced income management we cannot hold any sympathy for his diagnosis whatsoever. ADHD is not an excuse, not a ‘reason’ for his foul lewd and shameful activities and given the cost of the #CashlessDebitCard is being counted in lives lost, he can go to hell trying to curry sympathies where none are owed him.


Fuck him. He’s gone. He has been dissendorsed by his own party. Hopefully we’ll never hear from him again.

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Date: 29/04/2021 01:03:14
From: dv
ID: 1730827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://9gag.com/gag/a7E8RNw
Consider this seagull eating a rabbit

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Date: 29/04/2021 02:07:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730828
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

https://9gag.com/gag/a7E8RNw
Consider this seagull eating a rabbit

the bystander is used to good effect but we wonder is that an allegory about corruption grants or something else

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Date: 29/04/2021 02:39:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730835
Subject: re: Aust Politics

guess the electioneering and influence operations are warming up

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Date: 29/04/2021 07:07:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1730842
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


No Cashless Debit Card Australia
9 hrs ·
The Australian adult ADHD community is not going to be happy to have this serial liar and narcissist try to blame this condition for his very targeted and selective abuse of the poor, PWD, women and the aboriginal community. ADHD is not so selective as he hopes.
As crude as it sounds, but as someone has noted earlier – a turd with ADHD is still very much , a turd. This man has condemned so many people with mental health conditions on DSP and not, to live’s under forced income management we cannot hold any sympathy for his diagnosis whatsoever. ADHD is not an excuse, not a ‘reason’ for his foul lewd and shameful activities and given the cost of the #CashlessDebitCard is being counted in lives lost, he can go to hell trying to curry sympathies where none are owed him.


About 15 years back, we had regular visits to my work from an eminent child psychiatrist.

There was a discussion of ADHD at morning tea one day. He said something like ‘some parents say all their kid’s bad behaviour is because of the kid’s ADHD. But being ADHD doesn’t mean that your kid wouldn’t be a little shit if he wasn’t ADHD’.

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Date: 29/04/2021 07:08:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730843
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

No Cashless Debit Card Australia
9 hrs ·
The Australian adult ADHD community is not going to be happy to have this serial liar and narcissist try to blame this condition for his very targeted and selective abuse of the poor, PWD, women and the aboriginal community. ADHD is not so selective as he hopes.
As crude as it sounds, but as someone has noted earlier – a turd with ADHD is still very much , a turd. This man has condemned so many people with mental health conditions on DSP and not, to live’s under forced income management we cannot hold any sympathy for his diagnosis whatsoever. ADHD is not an excuse, not a ‘reason’ for his foul lewd and shameful activities and given the cost of the #CashlessDebitCard is being counted in lives lost, he can go to hell trying to curry sympathies where none are owed him.


About 15 years back, we had regular visits to my work from an eminent child psychiatrist.

There was a discussion of ADHD at morning tea one day. He said something like ‘some parents say all their kid’s bad behaviour is because of the kid’s ADHD. But being ADHD doesn’t mean that your kid wouldn’t be a little shit if he wasn’t ADHD’.

:) I like his thinking.

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Date: 29/04/2021 08:26:22
From: Michael V
ID: 1730878
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tasmanian MP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/multiple-dating-profiles-picturing-liberal-adam-brooks/100102974

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Date: 29/04/2021 08:29:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730880
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

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Date: 29/04/2021 08:30:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730881
Subject: re: Aust Politics

then

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Date: 29/04/2021 08:57:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730887
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

sort of.

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:00:04
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1730888
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

sort of.

Im fed up with one way fees.

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:00:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730889
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:
The Federal government is set to build a taxpayer-funded gas-fired power plant in the Hunter region of NSW, in what would be a major intervention in the electricity market.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

look at your free market ideology fucking winning right there, you need government to build gas while taxing solar

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-28/aemc-solar-panel-owners-charged-exporting-electricity-grid/100098668

to even half make this gas lit “recovery” half viable, you don’t even need a carbon price or taxing trading scheme

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:01:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730890
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

sort of.

Im fed up with one way fees.

One way or the other, the user pays.

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:04:54
From: Michael V
ID: 1730891
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

Seems like it.

A method of transferring money from the public sector to the private sector, too.

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:37:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1730932
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Betoota Advocate:

‘Laming Reveals Shock ADHD Diagnosis, Claims He Only Films Up Women’s Skirts After Red Cordial’

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:38:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Liberal Foreign Education Influence Campaign Considered A Resounding Success As CHINA Authorities Learn Lessons On How To Do Backgrounding And Sock Puppetry

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/australian-cheng-lei-mysterious-china-blog-posts/100098580

Cheng Lei, a former Chinese state-television journalist and news anchor, has repeatedly been denied access to a lawyer and is being held without charge in a Beijing prison.

But a series of posts and videos from several small public blog accounts on the social media app WeChat have emerged in recent months, denouncing Ms Cheng as a “spy” and writing about her in far more detail than what the official state media provides. One WeChat account registered to a woman in Heilongjiang province with the name “Beijing small sweet melon” wrote a post in early April with an elaborate chronology of Cheng Lei’s life, titled: “Betraying her motherland, how did CCTV famous anchor Cheng Lei become an Australian spy?” The author mined Ms Cheng’s WeChat and Facebook posts, decrying her as “two-faced” for expressing concerns on Facebook in early 2020 about the risk of her family contracting coronavirus, supposedly an unpatriotic criticism of China’s containment efforts. The lengthy post also delved into her personal and professional biography, getting some details wrong and making up others, claiming “China has given you everything, yet you counterattack as a tool of the enemy”.

Following the initial post about Cheng Lei, another article with similar details was published four days later on a similar WeChat blog called “Movies 369” — at odds with the usual content about celebrities and films. “These posts are written by Ministry of State Security (MSS) people to set the public tone,” said Feng Chongyi, a Chinese studies specialist at University of Technology Sydney who himself was detained for a week during a visit to China four years ago. “That is the beauty of Chinese propaganda — it looks like it’s just people’s opinion,” he told the ABC. “People need to understand we’re dealing with hooligans, not a normal government.”

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:40:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730939
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Betoota Advocate:

‘Laming Reveals Shock ADHD Diagnosis, Claims He Only Films Up Women’s Skirts After Red Cordial’

heh.
I don’t think he even needs much of that.

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:46:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1730950
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

Seems like it.

A method of transferring money from the public sector to the private sector, too.

Well all money has to come from taxpayers money in the end, because that’s where money comes from.

I wouldn’t have a problem with the government funding a new gas-fired power station with my money if it was part of a published plan to reach zero GHG emissions as quickly as possible at minimum overall cost, but since it isn’t, I do.

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:48:44
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1730957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/government-gas-fired-power-plant-nsw/100102888

so if it’s solar the generators need to pay to play because the infrastructure isn’t there so it has to be built, but if it’s gas the it needs to be built using taxpayer money so that the generators don’t have to pay to use the infrastructure that’s already there

have we got that right

Seems like it.

A method of transferring money from the public sector to the private sector, too.

Well all money has to come from taxpayers money in the end, because that’s where money comes from.

No, the government can print its own money…

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:50:04
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1730959
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Seems like it.

A method of transferring money from the public sector to the private sector, too.

Well all money has to come from taxpayers money in the end, because that’s where money comes from.

No, the government can print its own money…

yeah, they have a monopoly on that!!

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:55:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1730960
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Seems like it.

A method of transferring money from the public sector to the private sector, too.

Well all money has to come from taxpayers money in the end, because that’s where money comes from.

No, the government can print its own money…

Yes they can, but if they do that it ends up costing the taxpayers even more (other than those who are in a position to transfer all their excess income offshore).

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Date: 29/04/2021 09:59:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730961
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


poikilotherm said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well all money has to come from taxpayers money in the end, because that’s where money comes from.

No, the government can print its own money…

Yes they can, but if they do that it ends up costing the taxpayers even more (other than those who are in a position to transfer all their excess income offshore).

nods.

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Date: 29/04/2021 10:01:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1730963
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


poikilotherm said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well all money has to come from taxpayers money in the end, because that’s where money comes from.

No, the government can print its own money…

Yes they can, but if they do that it ends up costing the taxpayers even more (other than those who are in a position to transfer all their excess income offshore).

What about those who argue that labour is the only source of Real Value, and that Labor is the only party of real value¿

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Date: 29/04/2021 10:03:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1730964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

poikilotherm said:

No, the government can print its own money…

Yes they can, but if they do that it ends up costing the taxpayers even more (other than those who are in a position to transfer all their excess income offshore).

What about those who argue that labour is the only source of Real Value, and that Labor is the only party of real value¿

Is his name Joules?

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Date: 29/04/2021 10:07:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1730967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

poikilotherm said:

No, the government can print its own money…

Yes they can, but if they do that it ends up costing the taxpayers even more (other than those who are in a position to transfer all their excess income offshore).

What about those who argue that labour is the only source of Real Value, and that Labor is the only party of real value¿

Well money is transferred in return for labour, in one form or another.

As for Labor, personally I rate their value as a good bit higher than the other lot, but I wouldn’t go so far as saying they had a monopoly on value.

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Date: 29/04/2021 10:07:58
From: Tamb
ID: 1730968
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Seems like it.

A method of transferring money from the public sector to the private sector, too.

Well all money has to come from taxpayers money in the end, because that’s where money comes from.

No, the government can print its own money…


Do they support MMT?

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:24:09
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1731110
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I have heard rumblings that the Coalition thinks that ramping up anti-China rhetoric is an election winning position.

….

Penny Wong says ‘don’t mention the war’ while China ‘bangs the war drum’: Bolt

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6250835778001

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:25:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1731111
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


I have heard rumblings that the Coalition thinks that ramping up anti-China rhetoric is an election winning position.

….

Penny Wong says ‘don’t mention the war’ while China ‘bangs the war drum’: Bolt

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6250835778001

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:25:57
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1731113
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Daughter just facebooked this:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/28/aboriginal-families-condemn-scott-morrison-for-ignoring-deaths-in-custody-crisis?fbclid=IwAR0xETy4nGVbRoZDWGplRDrkB9HF_AH1E8NiHrJFINCVtlgG1jgv3qqI7eY

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:45:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1731124
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

I have heard rumblings that the Coalition thinks that ramping up anti-China rhetoric is an election winning position.

….

Penny Wong says ‘don’t mention the war’ while China ‘bangs the war drum’: Bolt

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6250835778001

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:48:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1731129
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Daughter just facebooked this:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/28/aboriginal-families-condemn-scott-morrison-for-ignoring-deaths-in-custody-crisis?fbclid=IwAR0xETy4nGVbRoZDWGplRDrkB9HF_AH1E8NiHrJFINCVtlgG1jgv3qqI7eY

I don’t think Scotty likes aborigines.

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:48:24
From: Cymek
ID: 1731130
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I have heard rumblings that the Coalition thinks that ramping up anti-China rhetoric is an election winning position.

….

Penny Wong says ‘don’t mention the war’ while China ‘bangs the war drum’: Bolt

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6250835778001

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

China isn’t trustworthy though

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:49:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1731131
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

China isn’t trustworthy though

And we are?

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:49:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1731132
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

China isn’t trustworthy though

Right, you’re on their blacklist as of now.

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:49:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1731133
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

China isn’t trustworthy though

And we are?

Would you buy a used car from me?

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:50:31
From: buffy
ID: 1731134
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/asio-anticipate-terrorist-attack-right-wing-islamic-within-year/100103546

I think that belongs in here. The whiff of election is increasing.

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Date: 29/04/2021 12:53:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1731139
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

China isn’t trustworthy though

And we are?

A little bit more

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:00:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1731149
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/asio-anticipate-terrorist-attack-right-wing-islamic-within-year/100103546

I think that belongs in here. The whiff of election is increasing.

^

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:04:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731153
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I have heard rumblings that the Coalition thinks that ramping up anti-China rhetoric is an election winning position.

….

Penny Wong says ‘don’t mention the war’ while China ‘bangs the war drum’: Bolt

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6250835778001

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

worked for Trump, should work for AusTrump

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:06:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731156
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/asio-anticipate-terrorist-attack-right-wing-islamic-within-year/100103546

I think that belongs in here. The whiff of election is increasing.

^

we’re going to go way out there and bet this post that the balance of probabilities is >75% right wing and <25% islamic but they’re deliberately not being clear

He said right-wing extremism had grown from 16 to 40 per cent of the agency’s onshore terror-related workload over the course of the last three years.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:08:02
From: dv
ID: 1731158
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/asio-anticipate-terrorist-attack-right-wing-islamic-within-year/100103546

I think that belongs in here. The whiff of election is increasing.

^

we’re going to go way out there and bet this post that the balance of probabilities is >75% right wing and <25% islamic but they’re deliberately not being clear

He said right-wing extremism had grown from 16 to 40 per cent of the agency’s onshore terror-related workload over the course of the last three years.

Islamic extremism is right wing anyway

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:09:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1731160
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

^

we’re going to go way out there and bet this post that the balance of probabilities is >75% right wing and <25% islamic but they’re deliberately not being clear

He said right-wing extremism had grown from 16 to 40 per cent of the agency’s onshore terror-related workload over the course of the last three years.

Islamic extremism is right wing anyway

What makes it right wing?

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:09:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731161
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

^

we’re going to go way out there and bet this post that the balance of probabilities is >75% right wing and <25% islamic but they’re deliberately not being clear

He said right-wing extremism had grown from 16 to 40 per cent of the agency’s onshore terror-related workload over the course of the last three years.

Islamic extremism is right wing anyway

b… but it says “either”

in seriousness then, we make that >= 100% right wing and < 25% islamic

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:15:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

All Lives Matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/disabled-car-parks-discriminatory-to-able-bodied-people/100103488

All four disabled car parks in a community housing complex in Brisbane have been water blasted and the wheelchair symbol removed after the housing department acted on a complaint that argued the accessible spots discriminated against able-bodied people.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:20:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1731168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


All Lives Matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/disabled-car-parks-discriminatory-to-able-bodied-people/100103488

All four disabled car parks in a community housing complex in Brisbane have been water blasted and the wheelchair symbol removed after the housing department acted on a complaint that argued the accessible spots discriminated against able-bodied people.

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:24:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1731171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

All Lives Matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/disabled-car-parks-discriminatory-to-able-bodied-people/100103488

All four disabled car parks in a community housing complex in Brisbane have been water blasted and the wheelchair symbol removed after the housing department acted on a complaint that argued the accessible spots discriminated against able-bodied people.

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:26:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731173
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:

All Lives Matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/disabled-car-parks-discriminatory-to-able-bodied-people/100103488

All four disabled car parks in a community housing complex in Brisbane have been water blasted and the wheelchair symbol removed after the housing department acted on a complaint that argued the accessible spots discriminated against able-bodied people.

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.

maybe people can pause for a bit and cut each other some slack and be kinder

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:28:09
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1731175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

All Lives Matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/disabled-car-parks-discriminatory-to-able-bodied-people/100103488

All four disabled car parks in a community housing complex in Brisbane have been water blasted and the wheelchair symbol removed after the housing department acted on a complaint that argued the accessible spots discriminated against able-bodied people.

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

Did they see the duration of your park?

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:29:03
From: Cymek
ID: 1731176
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.

maybe people can pause for a bit and cut each other some slack and be kinder

You were doing charity as well, fair enough if you parked sideways and went into the TAB for hours but you didn’t

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:29:08
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1731177
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.

maybe people can pause for a bit and cut each other some slack and be kinder

FUCK YOU!!!

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:30:42
From: Tamb
ID: 1731178
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

All Lives Matter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/disabled-car-parks-discriminatory-to-able-bodied-people/100103488

All four disabled car parks in a community housing complex in Brisbane have been water blasted and the wheelchair symbol removed after the housing department acted on a complaint that argued the accessible spots discriminated against able-bodied people.

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.


When Mz Tamb was still alive I parked in a disabled spot & got out of the car to get Mz Tamb out of the passenger seat. I was instantly abused by a motorist for being able bodied.
I walked over to the bloke and suggested that I would remain by his car shouting abuse while he assisted my wife into her wheel chair.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:34:25
From: Michael V
ID: 1731182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.


When Mz Tamb was still alive I parked in a disabled spot & got out of the car to get Mz Tamb out of the passenger seat. I was instantly abused by a motorist for being able bodied.
I walked over to the bloke and suggested that I would remain by his car shouting abuse while he assisted my wife into her wheel chair.

Nice work by you.

Not so nice work by the other bloke.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:35:12
From: Arts
ID: 1731183
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:

Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.

maybe people can pause for a bit and cut each other some slack and be kinder

what do you think the parking situation is like at the disabled olympics?

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:37:05
From: Arts
ID: 1731186
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.


When Mz Tamb was still alive I parked in a disabled spot & got out of the car to get Mz Tamb out of the passenger seat. I was instantly abused by a motorist for being able bodied.
I walked over to the bloke and suggested that I would remain by his car shouting abuse while he assisted my wife into her wheel chair.

Nice work by you.

Not so nice work by the other bloke.

I’m gonna go ahead and assume that the Tambs had the proper documentation to park in the disabled spot…

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:38:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731187
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think unreasonable internet meme driven outrage is a greater threat than climate change.

maybe people can pause for a bit and cut each other some slack and be kinder

FUCK YOU!!!

we meant kinder as in more compassionate not as in like a German child

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:39:17
From: Tamb
ID: 1731188
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Tamb said:

When Mz Tamb was still alive I parked in a disabled spot & got out of the car to get Mz Tamb out of the passenger seat. I was instantly abused by a motorist for being able bodied.
I walked over to the bloke and suggested that I would remain by his car shouting abuse while he assisted my wife into her wheel chair.

Nice work by you.

Not so nice work by the other bloke.

I’m gonna go ahead and assume that the Tambs had the proper documentation to park in the disabled spot…


Prominently displayed in the windscreen.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:40:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1731189
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I go real slow in the high speed lane.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:43:45
From: dv
ID: 1731191
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

SCIENCE said:

we’re going to go way out there and bet this post that the balance of probabilities is >75% right wing and <25% islamic but they’re deliberately not being clear

He said right-wing extremism had grown from 16 to 40 per cent of the agency’s onshore terror-related workload over the course of the last three years.

Islamic extremism is right wing anyway

What makes it right wing?

It’s focus on conservative values and rejection of social progress

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:45:47
From: buffy
ID: 1731193
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Nice work by you.

Not so nice work by the other bloke.

I’m gonna go ahead and assume that the Tambs had the proper documentation to park in the disabled spot…


Prominently displayed in the windscreen.

I used to get A Bit Annoyed (to put it mildly) when people used the disabled plaque (here they are a sort of plastic plaque thing you put in the window) of a parent when they went to the supermarket – without the parent. They would use the disabled designated parking behind my practice, which some of my patients used when they came to see me. I know, it was really supermarket parking, but hey, they needed it. And usually they then nipped into the supermarket for their groceries anyway. There was one family who would park their car in the disabled spot and nick off for several hours. They practically never had the relevent person with them. (I know the details…relevent person was my patient). Then there was the time when I was constantly phoning the council to tell them the tradies on the nearby building site were YET AGAIN parked in the disable parking spots and could they please sent the traffic officer around to book them. Again. It got to the point that the council person, when I was put through, said “they are doing it again, aren’t they…”

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:48:56
From: dv
ID: 1731195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Last year, i pulled up at a charity bin in the parking lot of a local shopping centre.

There were no other vacant car spaces visible, so i stopped in one of the disabled spots next to the bin.

Got out, put the bag in the bin, returned to the car. Nothing else. No other cars passed by or even approached in that 15 or 20 seconds.

Was abused by the person parked in the next disabled spot for ‘taking a disabled spot’.

Technically correct, but…how’s the view from up on that high horse?

Sorry man but I’m not with you. A disabled person could have arrived while you were parked there. You should have found somewhere else.
I wouldn’t have abused you per se but I would have said “dude”.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:52:36
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1731196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bunbury hospital is rife with non-permit holders using the disabled spots. parking is pretty scarce there and there’s a continuous bog lap parade. still, no excuse.

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Date: 29/04/2021 13:58:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1731198
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m gonna get the Duke, and John Cassavetes and Lee Marvin, and Sam Peckinpah, and a case of whiskey and drive down to Texas.

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:01:13
From: dv
ID: 1731199
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I’m gonna get the Duke, and John Cassavetes and Lee Marvin, and Sam Peckinpah, and a case of whiskey and drive down to Texas.

Classic

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:01:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1731200
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I’m gonna get the Duke, and John Cassavetes and Lee Marvin, and Sam Peckinpah, and a case of whiskey and drive down to Texas.

hope you have one, or more, of those pine tree shaped air fresheners in the car.

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:06:25
From: dv
ID: 1731202
Subject: re: Aust Politics

He believes that the daily medication he now relies on has changed his life.

“As a medically trained person, I really genuinely just had no idea that ADHD and hyperactivity was an adult condition,’’ Dr Laming said.

“I just spoke honestly and openly with someone who understands ADHD intimately. It was very quick.

—-

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/are-you-threatening-me-mp-andrew-laming-in-fiery-radio-clash-abc-host/news-story/cf7cbb42789953b7829d5b7f37822d95

Wha?

I don’t expect a doctor to have a full knowledge of all medical fields but they should at least know as muxh as layperson. Did he think ADHD just clears up once you get your L plates?

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:07:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1731203
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I have heard rumblings that the Coalition thinks that ramping up anti-China rhetoric is an election winning position.

….

Penny Wong says ‘don’t mention the war’ while China ‘bangs the war drum’: Bolt

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6250835778001

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:08:26
From: Arts
ID: 1731204
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I’m gonna get the Duke, and John Cassavetes and Lee Marvin, and Sam Peckinpah, and a case of whiskey and drive down to Texas.

I have told this story before but for the cheap seats at the back…

Mr Arts was making his way down the mall one day and there were some buskers singing that song.. just as he was nearing them they got to the part about the parking in handicapped spaces while handicapped people make handicapped faces.. and one of the singers saw him.. she kind of lowered her voice a bit but without skipping a beat Mr Arts made a weird face and both buskers just cracked up…

He didn’t leave them any coins though

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:11:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731208
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

the Military Industrial Complex are onto a little earner, who cares if some dirty zero COVID-19 pacific island gets destroyed on the way to Glorious War between East and West, the USSA will come and back us up like they did Ukraine wait what

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:14:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1731211
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


He believes that the daily medication he now relies on has changed his life.

“As a medically trained person, I really genuinely just had no idea that ADHD and hyperactivity was an adult condition,’’ Dr Laming said.

“I just spoke honestly and openly with someone who understands ADHD intimately. It was very quick.

—-

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/are-you-threatening-me-mp-andrew-laming-in-fiery-radio-clash-abc-host/news-story/cf7cbb42789953b7829d5b7f37822d95

Wha?

I don’t expect a doctor to have a full knowledge of all medical fields but they should at least know as muxh as layperson. Did he think ADHD just clears up once you get your L plates?

But rather than discover he was lacking in empathy Dr Laming emerged from the training believing he actually had too much care for others.

“What I have realised is that part of the symptoms was I was almost overly empathetic because I was getting involved in stuff I shouldn’t have, getting immersed and obsessed and determined to ‘fix it,’’ he said.
—-

Well that’s a self diagnosis with a punch.

After trolling young mum’s and Indue card recipients…it’s a bit ‘I hit her but it was for her own good.’

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:16:24
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1731215
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

China would defeat Australia in about half an hour with or without US support. Or stifle our trade in a fortnight if they want to draw it out. Luckily for us Indonesia would not take kindly to Australia as a Chinese vassal so there’s at least that.

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:20:41
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1731217
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Will probably work.

Just like kids overboard.

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?


As for ‘setiously’, if it’s thought it might win elections i expect there will much feigned hullaballoo.

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:30:05
From: Cymek
ID: 1731221
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

China would defeat Australia in about half an hour with or without US support. Or stifle our trade in a fortnight if they want to draw it out. Luckily for us Indonesia would not take kindly to Australia as a Chinese vassal so there’s at least that.

We should stand up for ourselves though, we are always someone’s whipping boy, sucking up to get scraps.
Seems like we will forever be some joke nation that no one takes seriously

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:36:24
From: Woodie
ID: 1731223
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

China would defeat Australia in about half an hour with or without US support. Or stifle our trade in a fortnight if they want to draw it out. Luckily for us Indonesia would not take kindly to Australia as a Chinese vassal so there’s at least that.

FMD, they haven’t even summonsed the Ambassador yet. Let alone expelled any …cough cough…. “diplomats”. Some dribbly faced little junior clerk in a basement on the outskirts of Beijing somewhere does his twit first press release, and all shit hits the fan? All we’re at is the tongue poking out, going nyah nyah, and a good old “ppptpttttttttthhh at ya with knobs on” stage. God forbid if someone dropped their pants a waved their private parts at their Aunties!! And you lot going on about blowin’ the shit outa each other already, and headin’ for the hills!! Henry Kissinger, you lot ain’t I tells ya.

I mean even Fiji and New Zealand get down to some good old expelling of persona non grata when someone does a “knobs on ya”.

On December 23, 2008, Fiji followed through on a threat to expel New Zealand’s high commissioner to the island nation. The expulsion came a day after the interim Prime Minister of Fiji announced he would not expel New Zealand’s top diplomat because he wanted to improve his relationship with New Zealand. In retaliation to the expulsion, New Zealand declared Fiji’s High Commissioner in Wellington persona non grata as Prime Minister of New Zealand John Key had stated the day before that there would be retaliatory action if its commissioner was expelled.

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:40:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731227
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

China would defeat Australia in about half an hour with or without US support. Or stifle our trade in a fortnight if they want to draw it out. Luckily for us Indonesia would not take kindly to Australia as a Chinese vassal so there’s at least that.

We should stand up for ourselves though, we are always someone’s whipping boy, sucking up to get scraps.
Seems like we will forever be some joke nation that no one takes seriously

Oar Croikey, what kind of people do they think we are¿ The Drohvah¿

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:41:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1731228
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

China would defeat Australia in about half an hour with or without US support. Or stifle our trade in a fortnight if they want to draw it out. Luckily for us Indonesia would not take kindly to Australia as a Chinese vassal so there’s at least that.

FMD, they haven’t even summonsed the Ambassador yet. Let alone expelled any …cough cough…. “diplomats”. Some dribbly faced little junior clerk in a basement on the outskirts of Beijing somewhere does his twit first press release, and all shit hits the fan? All we’re at is the tongue poking out, going nyah nyah, and a good old “ppptpttttttttthhh at ya with knobs on” stage. God forbid if someone dropped their pants a waved their private parts at their Aunties!! And you lot going on about blowin’ the shit outa each other already, and headin’ for the hills!! Henry Kissinger, you lot ain’t I tells ya.

I mean even Fiji and New Zealand get down to some good old expelling of persona non grata when someone does a “knobs on ya”.

On December 23, 2008, Fiji followed through on a threat to expel New Zealand’s high commissioner to the island nation. The expulsion came a day after the interim Prime Minister of Fiji announced he would not expel New Zealand’s top diplomat because he wanted to improve his relationship with New Zealand. In retaliation to the expulsion, New Zealand declared Fiji’s High Commissioner in Wellington persona non grata as Prime Minister of New Zealand John Key had stated the day before that there would be retaliatory action if its commissioner was expelled.

You’ll not go far in the Liberal party with that attitude.

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:43:01
From: party_pants
ID: 1731229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

I posted a thing a few days back about the govt hiring a company to produce anti chinese propaganda. I don’t remember where I put it.

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

China would defeat Australia in about half an hour with or without US support. Or stifle our trade in a fortnight if they want to draw it out. Luckily for us Indonesia would not take kindly to Australia as a Chinese vassal so there’s at least that.

I think they are actually just a little bit too far away and inconveniently placed by geography to achieve that. They would have to go through Malaysia and Indonesia to do that. They don’t have enough long range aircraft to reach us, nor enough naval capacity to for sustained operations remote from their home waters. Their aircraft carrier strength is weak.

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:46:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1731231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

He believes that the daily medication he now relies on has changed his life.

“As a medically trained person, I really genuinely just had no idea that ADHD and hyperactivity was an adult condition,’’ Dr Laming said.

“I just spoke honestly and openly with someone who understands ADHD intimately. It was very quick.

—-

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/are-you-threatening-me-mp-andrew-laming-in-fiery-radio-clash-abc-host/news-story/cf7cbb42789953b7829d5b7f37822d95

Wha?

I don’t expect a doctor to have a full knowledge of all medical fields but they should at least know as muxh as layperson. Did he think ADHD just clears up once you get your L plates?

But rather than discover he was lacking in empathy Dr Laming emerged from the training believing he actually had too much care for others.

“What I have realised is that part of the symptoms was I was almost overly empathetic because I was getting involved in stuff I shouldn’t have, getting immersed and obsessed and determined to ‘fix it,’’ he said.
—-

Well that’s a self diagnosis with a punch.

After trolling young mum’s and Indue card recipients…it’s a bit ‘I hit her but it was for her own good.’

Hey Zeus!

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:51:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731233
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Janina and Bolt.

But no one is seriously serious about us making war on China really?

They are our best customer arent they?

And they could wipe us out by lunch right?

China would defeat Australia in about half an hour with or without US support. Or stifle our trade in a fortnight if they want to draw it out. Luckily for us Indonesia would not take kindly to Australia as a Chinese vassal so there’s at least that.

I think they are actually just a little bit too far away and inconveniently placed by geography to achieve that. They would have to go through Malaysia and Indonesia to do that. They don’t have enough long range aircraft to reach us, nor enough naval capacity to for sustained operations remote from their home waters. Their aircraft carrier strength is weak.

War between Japan and the United States had been a possibility that each nation had been aware of, and planned for, since the 1920s. Japan had been wary of American territorial and military expansion in the Pacific and Asia since the late 1890s, followed by the annexation of islands, such as Hawaii and the Philippines, which they felt were close to or within their sphere of influence.

Although Japan had begun to take a hostile policy against the United States after the rejection of the Racial Equality Proposal, the relationship between the two countries was cordial enough that they remained trading partners. Tensions did not seriously grow until Japan’s invasion of Manchuria in 1931. Over the next decade, Japan expanded into China, leading to the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. Japan spent considerable effort trying to isolate China and endeavored to secure enough independent resources to attain victory on the mainland. The “Southern Operation” was designed to assist these efforts.

oh how the lazy Susans lazy … we mean the dumbwaiters dumb … we mean

the lice how they fly

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Date: 29/04/2021 14:55:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731237
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Did he think ADHD just clears up once you get your L plates?

But rather than discover he was lacking in empathy Dr Laming emerged from the training believing he actually had too much care for others.

“What I have realised is that part of the symptoms was I was almost overly empathetic because I was getting involved in stuff I shouldn’t have, getting immersed and obsessed and determined to ‘fix it,’’ he said.
—-

Well that’s a self diagnosis with a punch.

After trolling young mum’s and Indue card recipients…it’s a bit ‘I hit her but it was for her own good.’

Hey Zeus!

we mean, with that kind of insight, or self awareness, or calibration, whatever you call it

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Date: 29/04/2021 15:19:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1731264
Subject: re: Aust Politics

first doggo.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/29/if-we-could-harness-the-prime-ministers-immense-hypocrisy-we-could-power-a-city-on-the-moon

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Date: 29/04/2021 18:32:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Don’t Worry Boys Just Like Every Other Leak This Won’t Stick, It’ll Come Out In The Wash Easy

but the innuendo is palpable

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/police-report-made-over-desk-masturbation-scandal/100105650

A former Morrison Government staff member who was sacked for masturbating on the desk of a female MP has made a report to police. MPs and friends of the former staffer said at the time they regarded the sharing of the video and pictures as image based abuse, commonly referred to as revenge porn. Multiple sources within the Morrison Government have told the ABC the sacked staffer remains very loyal to the Coalition and does not want the issue in the media.

The Canberra man has always denied the incident amounted to revenge porn and said he was only motivated to share what he knew to improve the workplace culture at Parliament House. He has made a formal complaint about six different men, accusing them of being involved in sex acts in the building.

More to come.

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Date: 29/04/2021 19:00:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spot The Logical Fallacies

“We will always have a high rate of alcohol problems in our communities, whether there is a Dan Murphy’s here or not, but that is the first time a liquor store has ever come and spoken to us in regards to what our concerns are,” she said.

“It doesn’t really matter how many there are, people are going to buy it wherever it is. “And if they want it, they’re going to go get it — so they can drive 60km from a community or they can get it right here where they live.”

“We don’t need it but there’s no reason to not have it,” he said. “I don’t think it’ll result in one more drunk in Darwin, with or without.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/darwin-divided-dan-murphys-decision-cancelled-bottle-shop/100103990

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Date: 29/04/2021 19:09:04
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1731412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Spot The Logical Fallacies

“We will always have a high rate of alcohol problems in our communities, whether there is a Dan Murphy’s here or not, but that is the first time a liquor store has ever come and spoken to us in regards to what our concerns are,” she said.

“It doesn’t really matter how many there are, people are going to buy it wherever it is. “And if they want it, they’re going to go get it — so they can drive 60km from a community or they can get it right here where they live.”

“We don’t need it but there’s no reason to not have it,” he said. “I don’t think it’ll result in one more drunk in Darwin, with or without.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/darwin-divided-dan-murphys-decision-cancelled-bottle-shop/100103990

How many people has Dan Murphy sent to hospital?

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Date: 30/04/2021 10:33:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1731664
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

Let’s Go, Talk The Talk, Walk The Wait What

Imagine a militaristic country, surrounded by rivals, where millions of Muslims are persecuted in the West which is actually in the East, but it must be a Good Thing ¡

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/human-rights-watch-accuses-…-apartheid-20210426-p57mc8.html

That Huawei 5G Autism Security Camera Conspiracy Serious Is Getting

Imagine electronic / communications systems, sourced from a militaristic country, which persecutes Muslims and conducts extensive state-sponsored computer hacking ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-30/tension-israeli-company-lead-to-uncertainty-over-army-system/100105866

Army is now moving to scrap its Battle Management System (BMS) produced by Elbit Systems Australia. The digital Israeli technology allows Army commanders to better coordinate various land assets during complex battlefield scenarios, where previously they had to rely on “analogue” methods such as maps and radios. The United States military has for years taken special precautions while operating alongside Australian vehicles that are equipped with the Elbit BMS, because of security concerns about the Israeli technology.

“People are getting the shits with Elbit exploiting their monopoly to impose huge premiums,” the officer said. “And there are definite concerns that the Israelis are backdooring the system for information”. The ABC understands Elbit employs 190 staff in Australia, but Defence is now looking to use an American company which is yet to properly establish itself in Australia.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:25:41
From: dv
ID: 1733651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:27:48
From: sibeen
ID: 1733652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I think it’s saying that she got a job.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:29:48
From: sibeen
ID: 1733653
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I think it’s saying that she got a job.

Actually, it may not be all that surprising. How many uni graduates are applying for jobs with the right of centre parties? They may have a dearth of actual candidates.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:31:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1733655
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

Probably a lot of that.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:32:35
From: dv
ID: 1733656
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I think it’s saying that she got a job.

Yeah a lot of 22 year olds straight out of uni have jobs but not many are Senior Parliamentary Advisors

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:33:00
From: party_pants
ID: 1733657
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I thought she hated her father and ran a guerrilla campaign against his election campaign.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:34:19
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1733658
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I think it’s saying that she got a job.

Yeah a lot of 22 year olds straight out of uni have jobs but not many are Senior Parliamentary Advisors

or glamorous…

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:35:04
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1733659
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I think it’s saying that she got a job.

Yeah a lot of 22 year olds straight out of uni have jobs but not many are Senior Parliamentary Advisors

Aren’t Senior Parliamentary Advisors usually there for a while before becoming Senior Parliamentary Advisors?

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:37:43
From: party_pants
ID: 1733661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I think it’s saying that she got a job.

Yeah a lot of 22 year olds straight out of uni have jobs but not many are Senior Parliamentary Advisors

Aren’t Senior Parliamentary Advisors usually there for a while before becoming Senior Parliamentary Advisors?

Promotion is quick in times of war.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:38:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1733662
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I thought she hated her father and ran a guerrilla campaign against his election campaign.

I was wondering if it was that daughter.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:40:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1733663
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

I think it’s saying that she got a job.

Yeah a lot of 22 year olds straight out of uni have jobs but not many are Senior Parliamentary Advisors

Aren’t Senior Parliamentary Advisors usually there for a while before becoming Senior Parliamentary Advisors?

don’t worry Ivanka does a good job

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:40:49
From: dv
ID: 1733664
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Good lord, they made the dude wear a buttoned shirt and tie in the Yeti suit?

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:41:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1733665
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Bridgette looks set to follow in her father’s footsteps and pursue a political career - working for a senior member of the Berejiklian Government. 

The university graduate, 22, is now a senior parliamentary adviser for NSW Nationals Leader John Barilaro, according to The Daily Telegraph. 

Ms Joyce reportedly sat next to former treasurer Joe Hockey as she watched Mr Barilaro during Question Time in state parliament on Thursday. 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/barnaby-joyces-glamorous-daughter-appears-to-pursue-politics-career/ar-BB1dEyWl

What the fuck…

I thought she hated her father and ran a guerrilla campaign against his election campaign.

I was wondering if it was that daughter.

I thought they were all doing it.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:42:51
From: sibeen
ID: 1733667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Good lord, they made the dude wear a buttoned shirt and tie in the Yeti suit?

Politics is a hard taskmaster.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:43:00
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1733668
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Good lord, they made the dude wear a buttoned shirt and tie in the Yeti suit?

Conservative Yeti.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:43:54
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1733669
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/04/scott-morrison-lectured-the-states-against-snap-border-closures-now-hes-done-exactly-that

Katharine Murphy

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:44:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1733670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

I thought she hated her father and ran a guerrilla campaign against his election campaign.

I was wondering if it was that daughter.

I thought they were all doing it.

there was one daughter who was driving around the neighbourhood with a loud haler.

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Date: 4/05/2021 22:51:32
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1733671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I was wondering if it was that daughter.

I thought they were all doing it.

there was one daughter who was driving around the neighbourhood with a loud haler.

Odette, maybe.

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Date: 4/05/2021 23:22:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1733683
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/04/scott-morrison-lectured-the-states-against-snap-border-closures-now-hes-done-exactly-that

Katharine Murphy

The reality is the government is fully intent on masking its own lack of preparation. There’s also an irony here

fixed

The reality is the government is fully intent on masking its own lack of preparation. But not its healthcare and quarantine workers¡

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Date: 5/05/2021 09:08:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1733770
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Labor Sabotages Women Yet Again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/sydney-brief-gladys-berejiklians-pick-for-upper-house-defeated/100115756

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Date: 5/05/2021 14:12:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1733939
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Who really is the preferred PM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpRRypVv12k

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Date: 5/05/2021 14:18:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1733944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Human rights
An Australian–European exchange waiting to happen

https://www.griffithreview.com/articles/human-rights/

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Date: 5/05/2021 14:24:12
From: dv
ID: 1733947
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Who really is the preferred PM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpRRypVv12k

He makes a fair point about transparency but the fact is that Newspoll and Morgan have very good predictive records.
He says the samples are tiny but 2000 is fine, it will give you an uncertainty of a couple of percent.

He’s right to focus on Preferred PM rather than voting intention because Preferred PM is one of the metrics that will never be tested so pollsters never have to worry about being proven wrong.

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Date: 5/05/2021 14:34:09
From: party_pants
ID: 1733951
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The general pattern for preferred PM or Premier seems to favour the incumbent over an untested opposition leader. This does not stop the incumbent party losing an election and giving the opposition leader a go in the top job. They tend to get a honeymoon period in their first few weeks or months in the job and their personal approval rating improves. By the time of the next election they might be in the same position as having a better approval rating than the new opposition leader.

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Date: 5/05/2021 16:09:00
From: Michael V
ID: 1733984
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Oh dear. Was a Liberal, not now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/nsw-upper-house-president-matthew-mason-cox-expelled/100118400

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Date: 5/05/2021 16:29:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1733988
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Oh dear. Was a Liberal, not now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/nsw-upper-house-president-matthew-mason-cox-expelled/100118400

“I just don’t get it,” Ms Berejiklian said. “I just wonder why Labor and the Greens thought it was OK to support a Liberal male over a Liberal female.”

lolwtf

politician fails to recognise that politics is politics

there’s probably a balance and just “running the female to get support” probably isn’t a good reason

BUT

we’re not in the Liberal Party or the Corruption Coalition so maybe we’re barking

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Date: 5/05/2021 16:38:53
From: dv
ID: 1733992
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Oh dear. Was a Liberal, not now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/nsw-upper-house-president-matthew-mason-cox-expelled/100118400

Seems as though Labor have won a trick there

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Date: 5/05/2021 18:03:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1734019
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Michael V said:

Oh dear. Was a Liberal, not now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/nsw-upper-house-president-matthew-mason-cox-expelled/100118400

Seems as though Labor have won a trick there

I don’t know much about NSW politics but it seems he’s a hardline anti-abortionist which is why he supported a leadership spill against Gladys in 2019.

So it does look a dubious decision for Labor and the Greens.

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Date: 5/05/2021 18:30:47
From: dv
ID: 1734032
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

Oh dear. Was a Liberal, not now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/nsw-upper-house-president-matthew-mason-cox-expelled/100118400

Seems as though Labor have won a trick there

I don’t know much about NSW politics but it seems he’s a hardline anti-abortionist which is why he supported a leadership spill against Gladys in 2019.

So it does look a dubious decision for Labor and the Greens.

Morally yes but having an independent speaker will probably work out better for them

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Date: 6/05/2021 09:54:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1734233
Subject: re: Aust Politics

we mean, if you’re actually going for equal representation and not ratcheting to 100%, then at some stage you’d expect “backward” movement so it’s not really a valid argument

Ms Setches, a former state minister, warned that if a man won preselection Labor would go backwards for the first time in its history in terms of female representation.

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Date: 8/05/2021 09:50:40
From: dv
ID: 1735161
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The federal government redirected cash from a $31 million safety program into a selected group of churches and cultural events after a key minister rejected department advice that ruled the projects ineligible.

Assistant Minister Jason Wood handpicked the projects to receive taxpayer funds for security services and equipment in a decision that cut funding to recipients that scored more highly in the Home Affairs department’s analysis of their merit.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-diverted-cash-from-31m-safer-communities-grants-to-ineligible-projects-20210503-p57oem.html

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Date: 8/05/2021 09:52:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1735163
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The federal government redirected cash from a $31 million safety program into a selected group of churches and cultural events after a key minister rejected department advice that ruled the projects ineligible.

Assistant Minister Jason Wood handpicked the projects to receive taxpayer funds for security services and equipment in a decision that cut funding to recipients that scored more highly in the Home Affairs department’s analysis of their merit.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-diverted-cash-from-31m-safer-communities-grants-to-ineligible-projects-20210503-p57oem.html

The ones that missed out, weren’t the right churches?

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Date: 8/05/2021 09:52:20
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1735164
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The federal government redirected cash from a $31 million safety program into a selected group of churches and cultural events after a key minister rejected department advice that ruled the projects ineligible.

Assistant Minister Jason Wood handpicked the projects to receive taxpayer funds for security services and equipment in a decision that cut funding to recipients that scored more highly in the Home Affairs department’s analysis of their merit.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-diverted-cash-from-31m-safer-communities-grants-to-ineligible-projects-20210503-p57oem.html

Buying the stairway to heaven, Mr. Wood?

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Date: 8/05/2021 09:55:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1735165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The federal government redirected cash from a $31 million safety program into a selected group of churches and cultural events after a key minister rejected department advice that ruled the projects ineligible.

Assistant Minister Jason Wood handpicked the projects to receive taxpayer funds for security services and equipment in a decision that cut funding to recipients that scored more highly in the Home Affairs department’s analysis of their merit.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-diverted-cash-from-31m-safer-communities-grants-to-ineligible-projects-20210503-p57oem.html

Buying the stairway to heaven, Mr. Wood?

It is paved with gold?

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Date: 8/05/2021 09:56:20
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1735167
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The federal government redirected cash from a $31 million safety program into a selected group of churches and cultural events after a key minister rejected department advice that ruled the projects ineligible.

Assistant Minister Jason Wood handpicked the projects to receive taxpayer funds for security services and equipment in a decision that cut funding to recipients that scored more highly in the Home Affairs department’s analysis of their merit.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-diverted-cash-from-31m-safer-communities-grants-to-ineligible-projects-20210503-p57oem.html

Buying the stairway to heaven, Mr. Wood?

It is paved with gold?

Yes.

Other peoples’ gold.

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:00:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1735168
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Buying the stairway to heaven, Mr. Wood?

It is paved with gold?

Yes.

Other peoples’ gold.

They used to pass a plate around the parishoners.

Now they take it from those lesser able.

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:05:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1735169
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So weight of courteous argument will be more effective than the mass distribution of potty mouthed memes. by the look of things.

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:06:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1735170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The federal government redirected cash from a $31 million safety program into a selected group of churches and cultural events after a key minister rejected department advice that ruled the projects ineligible.

Assistant Minister Jason Wood handpicked the projects to receive taxpayer funds for security services and equipment in a decision that cut funding to recipients that scored more highly in the Home Affairs department’s analysis of their merit.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-diverted-cash-from-31m-safer-communities-grants-to-ineligible-projects-20210503-p57oem.html

Jason, Jason, Jason.

How come churches need government funded security services anyway?

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:07:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1735171
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


So weight of courteous argument will be more effective than the mass distribution of potty mouthed memes. by the look of things.


What is this “courteous argument” of which you speak?

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:12:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1735172
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

So weight of courteous argument will be more effective than the mass distribution of potty mouthed memes. by the look of things.


What is this “courteous argument” of which you speak?

They use words like ‘stout yeoman’ and ‘good morning’
They use these words from a life spent in privilege and service.

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:13:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1735173
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

So weight of courteous argument will be more effective than the mass distribution of potty mouthed memes. by the look of things.


What is this “courteous argument” of which you speak?

They use words like ‘stout yeoman’ and ‘good morning’
They use these words from a life spent in privilege and service.

‘My good man’ is another chart-topper.

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:38:38
From: dv
ID: 1735185
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:

‘My good man’ is another chart-topper.

See here, my father’s a QC!

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Date: 8/05/2021 10:42:18
From: Tamb
ID: 1735187
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

‘My good man’ is another chart-topper.

See here, my father’s a QC!


My friend is more an Underbelly saying.

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Date: 8/05/2021 11:10:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1735196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

So weight of courteous argument will be more effective than the mass distribution of potty mouthed memes. by the look of things.


What is this “courteous argument” of which you speak?

They use words like ‘stout yeoman’ and ‘good morning’
They use these words from a life spent in privilege and service.

That raised a :)

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Date: 8/05/2021 13:29:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1735278
Subject: re: Aust Politics

STOKER , CANAVAN , AND CHRISTENSEN TO SPEAK AT PRO LIFE RALLY IN BRISBANE
Scott Morrison’s Assistant Minister for Women will be among the headline speakers at an anti-abortion and anti-euthanasia rally in Brisbane on Saturday.
Senator Amanda Stoker’s appearance, fresh from losing her fight against James McGrath for the coveted first place on the LNP Senate ticket, comes as the pro-life movement ramps up its activism, including paid newspaper and radio advertisements, before a planned conscience vote on voluntary assisted dying laws in Queensland.

Brisbane Times

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Date: 8/05/2021 16:37:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1735348
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 8/05/2021 16:47:58
From: dv
ID: 1735351
Subject: re: Aust Politics

PWM is right though, the Tas election counting is going ahead at a glacial pace…

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Date: 8/05/2021 16:50:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1735352
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


PWM is right though, the Tas election counting is going ahead at a glacial pace…

Two heads is not necessarily better than one.

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Date: 8/05/2021 19:07:14
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1735458
Subject: re: Aust Politics

good grief, the red carpet. has it been done before for a PM?

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Date: 8/05/2021 19:16:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1735459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


good grief, the red carpet. has it been done before for a PM?


Red carpet at a two flag occasion.

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Date: 8/05/2021 19:29:32
From: buffy
ID: 1735467
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


good grief, the red carpet. has it been done before for a PM?


I really dislike the way he snots on the flag. It should not be on a mask.

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Date: 8/05/2021 19:30:52
From: party_pants
ID: 1735469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


good grief, the red carpet. has it been done before for a PM?


The red carpet is supposed to lead somewhere, otherwise what is the point?

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Date: 8/05/2021 19:33:20
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1735471
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


good grief, the red carpet. has it been done before for a PM?


Presumably when they became less like a quokka.

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Date: 8/05/2021 19:38:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1735472
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


ChrispenEvan said:

good grief, the red carpet. has it been done before for a PM?


I really dislike the way he snots on the flag. It should not be on a mask.

+1

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Date: 9/05/2021 09:53:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1735623
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-09/nick-goiran-exploits-wa-parliament-upper-house-anomaly/100125606

lol now imagine if states actually took accountability seriously and pointed that torch on the Federal government what a great move that would be

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Date: 9/05/2021 16:17:32
From: buffy
ID: 1735717
Subject: re: Aust Politics

We had the radio on while we were in the car. Heard the Fed treasurer on jobs. So,

“Well, 105,000 people have come off income support in the month of April since JobKeeper ended,” he said.

I thought…don’t you have to wait 6 weeks or something to go on JobSeeker? So anyone who lost their job at the end of JobKeeper isn’t in the figures yet? And also, if you are going to say how many people came off, we also need to know how many people went onto it to know the full picture. Perhaps I was just grumpy this morning.

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Date: 9/05/2021 20:00:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1735805
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 9/05/2021 21:41:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1735833
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 9/05/2021 21:46:35
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1735836
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



Kim Jong-un also has red carpets from his plane. Just sayin’

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Date: 9/05/2021 21:51:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1735838
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


sarahs mum said:


Kim Jong-un also has red carpets from his plane. Just sayin’

I predict a pork barrelling budget. Stuff will be promised to people who need stuff and that money will eventually go to cricket clubrooms in wealthier electorates. And various corporates.

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Date: 10/05/2021 11:51:52
From: dv
ID: 1735957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Steady on, Sally. He’s not a slamdunk but it’s hardly unwinnable.

Perhaps we can start a campaign to get moderate Gutweiny Libs to vote below the line and put EA fourth

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Date: 10/05/2021 11:57:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1735961
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Steady on, Sally. He’s not a slamdunk but it’s hardly unwinnable.

Perhaps we can start a campaign to get moderate Gutweiny Libs to vote below the line and put EA fourth

Remember there is the vote last for Eric people. (Proud to be one.) Eric got a lot of votes at the top of the ticket but he also gets a lot of last vote on ticket.

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Date: 10/05/2021 14:09:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1736007
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Looks like the Tasmanian Electoral Office’s abacus is fucked.

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Date: 10/05/2021 14:17:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1736008
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Looks like the Tasmanian Electoral Office’s abacus is fucked.

There are only around 400k votes to count FFS.
Trevor, Gibbo and Barry could count all of them in the public bar of the Railway Hotel in a day.

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Date: 10/05/2021 14:20:04
From: party_pants
ID: 1736009
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like the Tasmanian Electoral Office’s abacus is fucked.

There are only around 400k votes to count FFS.
Trevor, Gibbo and Barry could count all of them in the public bar of the Railway Hotel in a day.

they use Hare-Clarke….

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Date: 10/05/2021 14:27:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Looks like the Tasmanian Electoral Office’s abacus is fucked.

There are only around 400k votes to count FFS.
Trevor, Gibbo and Barry could count all of them in the public bar of the Railway Hotel in a day.

they use Hare-Clarke….

We’re only waiting on one seat.

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Date: 10/05/2021 15:08:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736017
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 10/05/2021 16:01:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736023
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


perhaps but we’re a bit slow today and seem to be missing the clever part of that graphic

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Date: 10/05/2021 16:03:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736024
Subject: re: Aust Politics

What’s the Scam? – Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es_zzMXiNsM

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Date: 10/05/2021 16:05:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1736025
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

Foreign Minister Marise Payne discusses alleged war crimes committed by Australian troops with Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani during a quick stopover in Kabul.

She had to be quick, it’ll be her first, last, and only chance to see Prez Ghani.

The last plane-load of American soldiers out of Afghanistan will be very closely followed by an executive jet headed for Switzerland, carrying someone with the initials A.G.

Then the boys will be back in town.

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Date: 10/05/2021 16:11:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736028
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


What’s the Scam? – Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es_zzMXiNsM

English (auto-generated)

google how do you pay no tax google what’s the scam 5.2 billion dollars in revenue last year how much tax did they pay zero in fact they got a tax benefit it’s very likely that you paid more tax than google australia last year so what’s the scam here so google claims their revenue was only 1.4 billion dollars in australia last year but if you look closely in the notes to the accounts they actually booked revenue of 5.2 billion dollars so how did they suck the money out of the country 3.8 billion dollars raked out in service fees to foreign associates another little mystery here was why gst suddenly fell off a cliff 114 million down to just 43 million dollars now they’ve managed to convince the mainstream media that they paid 50 something million dollars in tax but they didn’t they paid zero they did pay 133 million last year when the tax office came after them but they’re back to their bad old google ways they used to claim they didn’t make any revenue selling their services in australia to australians the tax office came after that scam in 2015 but now they found a different scam the cherry on the icing of this big fat tax avoidance cake is that they actually booked a 22 million dollar tax benefit how good is that the government did manage to sting them it forced them to pay cash payments to rupert murdoch’s news corporation and peter costello’s nine entertainment as well as kerry stokes’s seven media network instead of tax they’re paying the governments media allies to keep them alive and keep them on side very important as we build up to the next election perhaps as early as this year like this video if you’d like to receive a 22 million tax benefit you

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Date: 10/05/2021 16:26:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1736029
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

What’s the Scam? – Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es_zzMXiNsM

English (auto-generated)

google how do you pay no tax google what’s the scam 5.2 billion dollars in revenue last year how much tax did they pay zero in fact they got a tax benefit

British comedian Miles Jupp remarked on how Google paid no tax on its UK profits, either.

Their explanation was that they didn’t have to, as the company has’no physical presence’ in the UK.

Jupp then suggested that if this is the case, then people should visit the Google offices at 6 Pancras Square, Belgrave House 76 Buckingham Palace Road and 1–13 St Giles High St in London, which were presumably empty, and ‘squat the ruddy shit out of them’.

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Date: 10/05/2021 16:35:40
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1736031
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

What’s the Scam? – Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es_zzMXiNsM

English (auto-generated)

google how do you pay no tax google what’s the scam 5.2 billion dollars in revenue last year how much tax did they pay zero in fact they got a tax benefit

British comedian Miles Jupp remarked on how Google paid no tax on its UK profits, either.

Their explanation was that they didn’t have to, as the company has’no physical presence’ in the UK.

Jupp then suggested that if this is the case, then people should visit the Google offices at 6 Pancras Square, Belgrave House 76 Buckingham Palace Road and 1–13 St Giles High St in London, which were presumably empty, and ‘squat the ruddy shit out of them’.

Lookup “Double Irish, Dutch Sandwich” – it is how Google, Apple etc. avoid paying tax.

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Date: 10/05/2021 16:49:32
From: Michael V
ID: 1736035
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:



LOL

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Date: 10/05/2021 21:16:54
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736114
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 10/05/2021 21:24:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736117
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


all right that one was better

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Date: 11/05/2021 09:06:18
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736181
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 11/05/2021 09:10:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1736182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:



That fried ona burger has never tasted much good.

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Date: 11/05/2021 09:11:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736183
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


well that’s their own fault for not living in pork barrels, we mean fk off you can’t blame a corrupt government for looking after the real people

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Date: 11/05/2021 09:17:43
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736187
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://theconversation.com/australia-posts-worst-nightmare-christine-holgate-to-head-delivery-rival-global-express-160606

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Date: 11/05/2021 11:16:15
From: buffy
ID: 1736291
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


https://theconversation.com/australia-posts-worst-nightmare-christine-holgate-to-head-delivery-rival-global-express-160606

I made a comment along these lines yesterday when I heard it on the news.

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Date: 11/05/2021 11:22:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736294
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/australia-posts-worst-nightmare-christine-holgate-to-head-delivery-rival-global-express-160606

I made a comment along these lines yesterday when I heard it on the news.

doesn’t that still play into the hands of the Corruption Coalition who wanted to privatise the profits and offload everything anyway

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Date: 11/05/2021 11:44:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1736304
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


play into the hands of the Corruption Coalition

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-councillor-the-drug-boss-and-the-liberal-party-s-pot-of-gold-20200619-p554b8.html

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:03:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

19m ago 13:44

Labor has accused the Coalition of hyper-ventilating on the costs of the NDIS to try to justify major changes.

Tonight’s budget is expected to estimate the NDIS will involve about $30bn in expenditure by 2024-25, and Scott Morrison has warned the costs are rising faster than expected.

But the Productivity Commission predicted this exact scenario back in 2017. It estimated the NDIS would cost $30bn by 2024-25.

Shadow NDIS minister Bill Shorten accused the government of attempting to justify compulsory independent assessments and privatisation by manufacturing a cost crisis.

For days the senior ranks of the Morrison Government have been dramatically catastrophising about scheme sustainability and hyping fictional cost blowouts.

Now it turns out that has just been pearl-clutching kabuki theatre when they knew all along the NDIS is tracking just as predicted, and their hyped blow out that does not exist.

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:04:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736410
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cassandra Goldie, chief executive of the Australian Council of Social Service, is speaking to the ABC about tonight’s budget. ACOSS is a key advocate for lower-income and vulnerable Australians.

Goldie says the government appears to be making a serious investment in aged care, childcare, and mental health. She says that is because of a “huge backlash” to the budget last year.

But she warns a measure designed to help single parent women to buy a new home – guaranteeing them with a 2% deposit – would do little.

It won’t help that many single parents. It is a very targeted and… it won’t cost the government anything. I think we will see tonight but I think it is costing them virtually nothing about $300,000 over the forward estimates.

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:31:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1736421
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

19m ago 13:44

Labor has accused the Coalition of hyper-ventilating on the costs of the NDIS to try to justify major changes.

Tonight’s budget is expected to estimate the NDIS will involve about $30bn in expenditure by 2024-25, and Scott Morrison has warned the costs are rising faster than expected.

But the Productivity Commission predicted this exact scenario back in 2017. It estimated the NDIS would cost $30bn by 2024-25.

Shadow NDIS minister Bill Shorten accused the government of attempting to justify compulsory independent assessments and privatisation by manufacturing a cost crisis.

For days the senior ranks of the Morrison Government have been dramatically catastrophising about scheme sustainability and hyping fictional cost blowouts.

Now it turns out that has just been pearl-clutching kabuki theatre when they knew all along the NDIS is tracking just as predicted, and their hyped blow out that does not exist.

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:32:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736422
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:
19m ago 13:44

Labor has accused the Coalition of hyper-ventilating on the costs of the NDIS to try to justify major changes.

Tonight’s budget is expected to estimate the NDIS will involve about $30bn in expenditure by 2024-25, and Scott Morrison has warned the costs are rising faster than expected.

But the Productivity Commission predicted this exact scenario back in 2017. It estimated the NDIS would cost $30bn by 2024-25.

Shadow NDIS minister Bill Shorten accused the government of attempting to justify compulsory independent assessments and privatisation by manufacturing a cost crisis.

For days the senior ranks of the Morrison Government have been dramatically catastrophising about scheme sustainability and hyping fictional cost blowouts.

Now it turns out that has just been pearl-clutching kabuki theatre when they knew all along the NDIS is tracking just as predicted, and their hyped blow out that does not exist.

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

Infrastructure earns you money but disabled people suck up resources and then they die.

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:33:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736424
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:
19m ago 13:44

Labor has accused the Coalition of hyper-ventilating on the costs of the NDIS to try to justify major changes.

Tonight’s budget is expected to estimate the NDIS will involve about $30bn in expenditure by 2024-25, and Scott Morrison has warned the costs are rising faster than expected.

But the Productivity Commission predicted this exact scenario back in 2017. It estimated the NDIS would cost $30bn by 2024-25.

Shadow NDIS minister Bill Shorten accused the government of attempting to justify compulsory independent assessments and privatisation by manufacturing a cost crisis.

For days the senior ranks of the Morrison Government have been dramatically catastrophising about scheme sustainability and hyping fictional cost blowouts.

Now it turns out that has just been pearl-clutching kabuki theatre when they knew all along the NDIS is tracking just as predicted, and their hyped blow out that does not exist.

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

yes, it isn’t as if the NDIS money actually goes to the client. It provides the money to buy services. which, as you say, employs someone to deliver.

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:36:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1736425
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:
19m ago 13:44

Labor has accused the Coalition of hyper-ventilating on the costs of the NDIS to try to justify major changes.

Tonight’s budget is expected to estimate the NDIS will involve about $30bn in expenditure by 2024-25, and Scott Morrison has warned the costs are rising faster than expected.

But the Productivity Commission predicted this exact scenario back in 2017. It estimated the NDIS would cost $30bn by 2024-25.

Shadow NDIS minister Bill Shorten accused the government of attempting to justify compulsory independent assessments and privatisation by manufacturing a cost crisis.

For days the senior ranks of the Morrison Government have been dramatically catastrophising about scheme sustainability and hyping fictional cost blowouts.

Now it turns out that has just been pearl-clutching kabuki theatre when they knew all along the NDIS is tracking just as predicted, and their hyped blow out that does not exist.

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

Mainly because most infrastructure projects are expected to provide economic benefits over and above their cost as a return to the economy.

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:44:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1736429
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:
19m ago 13:44

Labor has accused the Coalition of hyper-ventilating on the costs of the NDIS to try to justify major changes.

Tonight’s budget is expected to estimate the NDIS will involve about $30bn in expenditure by 2024-25, and Scott Morrison has warned the costs are rising faster than expected.

But the Productivity Commission predicted this exact scenario back in 2017. It estimated the NDIS would cost $30bn by 2024-25.

Shadow NDIS minister Bill Shorten accused the government of attempting to justify compulsory independent assessments and privatisation by manufacturing a cost crisis.

For days the senior ranks of the Morrison Government have been dramatically catastrophising about scheme sustainability and hyping fictional cost blowouts.

Now it turns out that has just been pearl-clutching kabuki theatre when they knew all along the NDIS is tracking just as predicted, and their hyped blow out that does not exist.

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

Mainly because most infrastructure projects are expected to provide economic benefits over and above their cost as a return to the economy.

Improving the lives of disabled people also provides economic benefits over and above cost as a return to the economy.

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Date: 11/05/2021 14:50:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736432
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

Mainly because most infrastructure projects are expected to provide economic benefits over and above their cost as a return to the economy.

Improving the lives of disabled people also provides economic benefits over and above cost as a return to the economy.

We could kill them with COVID-19 instead and then they wouldn’t incur ongoing costs.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:09:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1736439
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

Mainly because most infrastructure projects are expected to provide economic benefits over and above their cost as a return to the economy.

Improving the lives of disabled people also provides economic benefits over and above cost as a return to the economy.

I don’t know if it has the same fiscal multiplier though.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:17:32
From: Michael V
ID: 1736444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:
19m ago 13:44

Labor has accused the Coalition of hyper-ventilating on the costs of the NDIS to try to justify major changes.

Tonight’s budget is expected to estimate the NDIS will involve about $30bn in expenditure by 2024-25, and Scott Morrison has warned the costs are rising faster than expected.

But the Productivity Commission predicted this exact scenario back in 2017. It estimated the NDIS would cost $30bn by 2024-25.

Shadow NDIS minister Bill Shorten accused the government of attempting to justify compulsory independent assessments and privatisation by manufacturing a cost crisis.

For days the senior ranks of the Morrison Government have been dramatically catastrophising about scheme sustainability and hyping fictional cost blowouts.

Now it turns out that has just been pearl-clutching kabuki theatre when they knew all along the NDIS is tracking just as predicted, and their hyped blow out that does not exist.

As an engineer who works in infrastructure I should probably know this, but I still don’t get why “creating jobs” by spending taxpayers money on infrastructure is a good thing, but creating jobs by spending taxpayers money on aid for the disabled is a bad thing.

I have no answer for this question.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:18:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736445
Subject: re: Aust Politics

3m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

—-

Haven’t we been spending money that isn’t there for a year or so?

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:21:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736447
Subject: re: Aust Politics

7m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

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17m ago 15:03

Albanese presses on with his criticism of the JobMaker program. He asks whether just $2bn from the $4bn set aside from the scheme was spent.

Scott Morrison says – and I’m paraphrasing ever so slightly here – that he doesn’t care because jobs were created, one way or another.

Now, when you put these measures together, I don’t care, Mr Speaker, whether it’s the JobMaker Hiring Credit, the boosting apprenticeships scheme, the JobMaker program, the cash flow boast, the JobTrainer program, I don’t care which of these programs delivers the result. Just so long as the result is achieved.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:25:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

3m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

—-

Haven’t we been spending money that isn’t there for a year or so?

not when he senses Australians are ready to believe the corruption coalition lies again no

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:26:20
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1736450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

3m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

—-

Haven’t we been spending money that isn’t there for a year or so?

Some of it might have been there if the L/NP hadn’t made it not be there by e.g. giving $444 million solely on Turnbull’s say-so to the ‘Great Barrier Reef Foundation’ (which had a staff of six at the time it got all that money) back in 2018.

For what visible result?

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:29:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736452
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

3m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

—-

Haven’t we been spending money that isn’t there for a year or so?

Some of it might have been there if the L/NP hadn’t made it not be there by e.g. giving $444 million solely on Turnbull’s say-so to the ‘Great Barrier Reef Foundation’ (which had a staff of six at the time it got all that money) back in 2018.

For what visible result?

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:31:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1736453
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

3m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

—-

Haven’t we been spending money that isn’t there for a year or so?

Some of it might have been there if the L/NP hadn’t made it not be there by e.g. giving $444 million solely on Turnbull’s say-so to the ‘Great Barrier Reef Foundation’ (which had a staff of six at the time it got all that money) back in 2018.

For what visible result?


I think he was talking about the $444 million boondoggle.

That certainly came off.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:35:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1736456
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

3m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

—-

Haven’t we been spending money that isn’t there for a year or so?

Some of it might have been there if the L/NP hadn’t made it not be there by e.g. giving $444 million solely on Turnbull’s say-so to the ‘Great Barrier Reef Foundation’ (which had a staff of six at the time it got all that money) back in 2018.

For what visible result?

Read all about it:
https://barrierreef.org/uploads/FY20192020-GBRF-Annual-Report.pdf

From a quick glance, it does seem rather short of financial summary information, such as totals of what they spent, and what the management people were paid.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:37:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Some of it might have been there if the L/NP hadn’t made it not be there by e.g. giving $444 million solely on Turnbull’s say-so to the ‘Great Barrier Reef Foundation’ (which had a staff of six at the time it got all that money) back in 2018.

For what visible result?


I think he was talking about the $444 million boondoggle.

That certainly came off.

is that like when thanks to CHINA the WHO denied that COVID-19 was human-to-human transmissible, how convenient, thanks indeed

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:39:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1736459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:


I think he was talking about the $444 million boondoggle.

That certainly came off.

is that like when thanks to CHINA the WHO denied that COVID-19 was human-to-human transmissible, how convenient, thanks indeed

The Big Hunt may have to withdraw that little bit of self-congrats soon.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/queensland-great-barrier-reef-listed-as-critical-climate-change/12947300

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:43:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736465
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

I think he was talking about the $444 million boondoggle.

That certainly came off.

is that like when thanks to CHINA the WHO denied that COVID-19 was human-to-human transmissible, how convenient, thanks indeed

The Big Hunt may have to withdraw that little bit of self-congrats soon.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/queensland-great-barrier-reef-listed-as-critical-climate-change/12947300

See?..it did come off the watch list.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:43:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1736466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

I think he was talking about the $444 million boondoggle.

That certainly came off.

is that like when thanks to CHINA the WHO denied that COVID-19 was human-to-human transmissible, how convenient, thanks indeed

The Big Hunt may have to withdraw that little bit of self-congrats soon.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/queensland-great-barrier-reef-listed-as-critical-climate-change/12947300

I was a little surprised to see the Reef’s condition to have improved so dramatically since the last time I read about it.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:47:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1736471
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

is that like when thanks to CHINA the WHO denied that COVID-19 was human-to-human transmissible, how convenient, thanks indeed

The Big Hunt may have to withdraw that little bit of self-congrats soon.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/queensland-great-barrier-reef-listed-as-critical-climate-change/12947300

See?..it did come off the watch list.

So it seems that Mr Hunt’s comments were a little misleading, even by politician standards.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:48:16
From: Rule 303
ID: 1736474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Guess who was on Christian Porter’s short list for High Court Judge when he was AG? The same judge who is hearing his defamation case.

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:49:40
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736476
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

3m ago 15:13

Tony Burke, the manager of opposition business, asks about wage growth. He says the government has failed “to achieve its forecasts on wages, in every one of the last seven budgets”.

Why should any wage forecast released tonight in the 8th budget be believed?

Scott Morrison says Treasury completes the budget forecasts independently.

He then talks about iron ore prices and revenue forecasts.

Burke gets to his feet on relevance, saying the question was squarely about wages.

The speaker redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison starts talking about tax cuts.

The speaker again redirects the prime minister to the question.

Morrison:

I was diverted by the interjection and the point of order by Manager of Opposition Business, Mr Speaker. As I was explaining to those opposite, the forecast in the budget, that includes the wage forecast, combined with all the other forecasts in the budget to make an assessment of revenue estimates upon which we base our spending decisions. This may come as a mystery to those opposite, but that’s called responsible financial management, Mr Speaker. It’s what our government does, and that’s why our revenue estimates, Mr Speaker, have always proved to be quite conservative. And that means we don’t spend money that’s not there, Mr Speaker. We don’t do that.

—-

Haven’t we been spending money that isn’t there for a year or so?

Some of it might have been there if the L/NP hadn’t made it not be there by e.g. giving $444 million solely on Turnbull’s say-so to the ‘Great Barrier Reef Foundation’ (which had a staff of six at the time it got all that money) back in 2018.

For what visible result?


Just means the LNP aren’t watching it anymore

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:53:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736480
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
The Big Hunt may have to withdraw that little bit of self-congrats soon.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/queensland-great-barrier-reef-listed-as-critical-climate-change/12947300

See?..it did come off the watch list.

So it seems that Mr Hunt’s comments were a little misleading, even by politician standards.

while we’re on about them corruption coalition being on about spending money that actually exists, here we LOLed

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/budget-cash-splash-comes-from-good-luck-and-good-management/100131302”

Where has all this cash come from? What has delivered the windfall that will cut more than $50 billion from the deficit predicted just five months ago?

Despite an almost complete breakdown in relations between Australia and China that has manifested in an escalating trade war, the Middle Kingdom is delivering a large chunk of the windfall gains for tonight’s federal budget.

Prices began to surge as China emerged from the grip of the pandemic last year, with its infrastructure-led stimulus programs boosting demand for the red dirt.

CHINA LOL

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Date: 11/05/2021 15:56:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736482
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

is that like when thanks to CHINA the WHO denied that COVID-19 was human-to-human transmissible, how convenient, thanks indeed

The Big Hunt may have to withdraw that little bit of self-congrats soon.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-03/queensland-great-barrier-reef-listed-as-critical-climate-change/12947300

I was a little surprised to see the Reef’s condition to have improved so dramatically since the last time I read about it.

for all their squealing it really is quite Brave New 1984 if anyone even pays a little attention

how else could you rub hands gleefully at environmental disaster and then turn around and take credit for glorious improvement in environmental conditions

oh wait that’s right Marketing can somehow take credit for the other Mark winning so anything’s possible

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Date: 11/05/2021 16:27:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736514
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Terri Butler MP
@terrimbutler
Peter Dutton just moved to gag me, to prevent me from speaking about this government’s failure to remove Andrew Laming from his paid committee chair position. #auspol

4m ago 16:22

In the lower house, Labor have been trying to have Andrew Laming removed from his position as chair of the Standing Committee on Employment, Education and Training. It’s a paid position.

The government stymied Labor’s strategy, moving a question on committee membership be put before an amendment to remove Laming could be seconded. That keeps Laming on the committee as chair.

Laming has recently been the subject of reports of online harassment of women and taking an “inappropriate” photograph of a woman bending over. He took personal leave and then blamed his behaviour on ADHD.

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Date: 11/05/2021 16:42:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736529
Subject: re: Aust Politics

4m ago 16:35
I’m not a ‘taxpayer-funded troll’: Laming

Andrew Laming has also just spoken in the lower house. Laming says he is not a “taxpayer-funded troll” and suggestions to that effect are an unfair blight on his character.

He is angry at “reflections on my character and conduct” made during the earlier debate attempting to remove him from a committee chair position.

Matters in the last hour have been raised by those in the chamber making reflections on my character and conduct. They’ve misrepresented a number of times and I list them very briefly. Legitimate political questions that I’ve asked online of opposition state MPs have been characterised here as stalking that is a misrepresentation.

A photograph taken of my own wife playing with our family has been misrepresented as stalking and hiding behind bushes in a park where there are no bushes.

An utterly, utterly, entirely appropriate and innocent workplace photograph with no offence found whatsoever after a police investigation has been characterised in here as lewd.

And to misrepresent the work that I’ve done on Facebook responding to comments of others has been characterised as harassment. To refer to me and misrepresent me as a ‘taxpayer-funded troll’ for my online work, with all posts remaining online and visible to the public, is a misrepresentation and a reflection on my character.
===
yet trolling the Anti Indue facebook pages is exactly what he has been doing. And he has been doing that een while he is sitting in the house.

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Date: 11/05/2021 17:47:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736576
Subject: re: Aust Politics

But Senator Abetz said he believed he still had political life in him yet, and suggested Tasmanians vote below the line if they wanted him returned.

“It is quite laughable,” he said.

“Winston Churchill became wartime prime minister at 71 … is 78, and before that Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan all started their presidency in their 70s,” Senator Abetz said.

“When you’re balancing budgets, when you’re dealing with China, when you’re dealing with wokeism, you need men and women of courage, capacity, intellect, advocacy skills — all those things.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/eric-abetz-claims-ageism-and-sexism-in-senate-ticket-demotion/100131736

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:00:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736615
Subject: re: Aust Politics

6m ago 10:53

Well, the Greens aren’t holding back.

Here is Adam Bandt’s and his party’s response:

Tonight’s Budget is a pre-election sweetener that fails to make billionaires and big corporations pay their fair share of tax, while growing inequality and fast-tracking climate collapse.

While on the surface the budget may appear to do away with the Liberals’ years of austerity politics, it continues the myth that largesse to the super-wealthy will trickle down to everyday people.

Instead of a billionaires tax, the Budget locks in stage 3 tax cuts for billionaires and the wealthiest. Instead of making the big corporations pay their fair share, the Budget is full of more corporate welfare. Instead of investing in planet saving, nation building infrastructure, it hands billions to fossil fuel companies, further accelerating the climate crisis.

The Morrison government is handing $1.1 billion in new money to the oil, gas and coal industry, $11.4 billion next year alone, and with a total of a $51 billion across the forwards, this is one of the biggest handouts to the fossil fuel corporations in a Budget ever. Meanwhile one of the few paltry investments in the environment is for trashing our environmental laws.

The economic forecasts are built on sand and on an assumption our failed quarantine and vaccine program will miraculously start to work and that rest of world overcomes the pandemic. Wages go backwards for years, while more than $62 billion in handouts are directed to the billionaires and the big corporations.

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:01:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736616
Subject: re: Aust Politics

3m ago 10:58

Labor has also released its response – and it is also not holding back.

From Jim Chalmers and Katy Gallagher (but really from the whole party):

This Budget is yet another marketing exercise that can’t re-brand the mismanagement and missed opportunities that define eight long years of this Liberal-National Government.

It is a shameless political fix, rather than the genuine reform needed to make Australia’s economy stronger, broader and more sustainable.

Despite spending almost $100 billion and racking up a record $1 trillion in debt, the Morrison Government’s Budget reveals real wages will go backwards.

Beyond the hype and the headlines, Australians on modest incomes will only receive a temporary tax break before the election and be dealt a tax hike after it, while the highest income earners will enjoy a permanent tax cut forever.

After their last Budget centrepiece ‘JobMaker’ created just 1,000 of the 450,000 jobs promised, Australians can’t believe any jobs promised in this Budget.

Morrison and Frydenberg won’t tell Australians when they will be vaccinated, haven’t secured more vaccines, haven’t come clean on the cost and risk of delay, and are failing to deliver fit for purpose quarantine facilities.

Instead of securing Australia’s recovery, the Morrison Government is risking it.

It’s not the headline-seeking announcements in this Budget that matter, it’s the Government delivering on them.

For eight long years, this Government has overseen record low wages growth, chronically high underemployment, and it still doesn’t have a credible plan to create secure jobs.

For eight long years, this Government has presided over an aged-care crisis, an energy crisis, a housing crisis and a skills crisis.

And for eight long years, this Government has overpromised and underdelivered on critical infrastructure and this Budget actually cuts funding by $3.3 billion.

They’re now cynically using their eighth Budget to pretend they care about the issues and Australians they’ve ignored in the last seven.

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:01:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736617
Subject: re: Aust Politics

4m ago 19:56

Josh Frydenberg also just said that “under the Coalition, the NDIS will always be fully funded”.

I mean sure – when you change the parameters of what ‘fully funded’ means, and boot a whole of people who would have been eligible, off, then yes – you can say you are ‘fully funding’ what is left – but that doesn’t meant the NDIS is anywhere near where it needs to be.

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:04:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736618
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So, what does Tuesday night’s budget tell us about the government’s election planning? It tells us the government hopes that it can get the bulk of the Australian population vaccinated by the end of the year. It also hopes that the economy, which has surprised on the upside thus far, will keep picking up steam over the next 12 months.
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This strong forecast pick-up in the economy tapers off in the budget out-years. Tick. Tock. Goes the election clock.

This budget tells me that the government is absolutely leaving open the option of going to the polls late in 2021. I’m not sure I’d go as far as this being an election budget, but this is, absolutely, a keeping your options open budget.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/11/make-no-mistake-this-is-a-keeping-options-open-for-an-election-this-year-budget

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:09:17
From: sibeen
ID: 1736622
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

6m ago 10:53

Here is Adam Bandt’s and his party’s response:

The economic forecasts are built on sand and on an assumption our failed quarantine and vaccine program will miraculously start to work and that rest of world overcomes the pandemic. Wages go backwards for years, while more than $62 billion in handouts are directed to the billionaires and the big corporations.

I’m not sure that you can claim in good conscience that Australia’s quarantine and vaccine programs have failed. The quarantine situation has had its leaks and weaknesses but surely the case figures for Australia show something other than abject failure.

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:24:17
From: sibeen
ID: 1736634
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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But as we know, sometimes how promises are delivered can lead to disappointment. And it will be some years before we know if this spending works.

Since the budget update late last year, the government’s committed to spending $68b more on new government programs. That is a whopping amount of money.

Much of it is going to programs that most Australians would argue are needed; improving aged care, providing more aged care home packages, more for providing mental health treatment, preventing suicides and boosting the JobSeeker payment.

Viewed through a political lens, it’ll be hard for Labor to argue with this spending, and hard for it to “outspend” the Coalition.

But it’s also fascinating. The party that for years so potently argued against big government — and won office partly because of its devastating critique against Labor — has now fully embraced it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:26:04
From: sibeen
ID: 1736639
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Egad, not sure how I cocked that up.

The federal government is spending a phenomenal amount of money in this budget on new policies that, in theory, should bring about major changes to intractable problems.

But as we know, sometimes how promises are delivered can lead to disappointment. And it will be some years before we know if this spending works.

Since the budget update late last year, the government’s committed to spending $68b more on new government programs. That is a whopping amount of money.

Much of it is going to programs that most Australians would argue are needed; improving aged care, providing more aged care home packages, more for providing mental health treatment, preventing suicides and boosting the JobSeeker payment.

Viewed through a political lens, it’ll be hard for Labor to argue with this spending, and hard for it to “outspend” the Coalition.

But it’s also fascinating. The party that for years so potently argued against big government — and won office partly because of its devastating critique against Labor — has now fully embraced it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:26:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736641
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Egad, not sure how I cocked that up.

by just being your normal self.

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:30:35
From: Kingy
ID: 1736646
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Is the current govt promising to spend that money in ten years, way after they are voted out?

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:31:09
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736647
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:
6m ago 10:53

Here is Adam Bandt’s and his party’s response:

The economic forecasts are built on sand and on an assumption our failed quarantine and vaccine program will miraculously start to work and that rest of world overcomes the pandemic. Wages go backwards for years, while more than $62 billion in handouts are directed to the billionaires and the big corporations.

I’m not sure that you can claim in good conscience that Australia’s quarantine and vaccine programs have failed. The quarantine situation has had its leaks and weaknesses but surely the case figures for Australia show something other than abject failure.

I’m not sure it is Morrison’s fault that he backed two horses and they weren’t the horses that finished well. Also I have been glad of state governments.

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:32:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1736650
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kingy said:


Is the current govt promising to spend that money in ten years, way after they are voted out?

The pandemic cost them way less than expected so ‘never let a chance go by’

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Date: 11/05/2021 20:35:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

20:13

Josh Frydenberg, who may have said ‘endometriosis’ for the first time in his life tonight, given how he mangled that word, has now finished his speech and commended it to the house.

*for the record, the extra endo funding is on education programs mostly, which does nothing to help people access the specialist care necessary to get diagnosed, which for most women, takes on average a whole 10 years.

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:37:57
From: buffy
ID: 1736667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/andrew-laming-launches-character-defence-in-parliament/100132258

Parliamentary privilege is a “wonderful” thing.

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:44:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736669
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

The pandemic cost them way less than expected

funny how saving lives might do that J shaped recovery thing

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:45:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/andrew-laming-launches-character-defence-in-parliament/100132258

Parliamentary privilege is a “wonderful” thing.

but that just reads like free speech today

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:48:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

2m ago 07:45
Christopher Knaus

Christopher Knaus

Melissa Donnelly, of the Community and Public Sector Union, has criticised staffing cuts to Services Australia and Centrelink, which amount to about 800 jobs.

“These services are absolutely critical to the Australian community and we’ve all seen how critical they’ve been over the past few months, with so many Australians losing their jobs,” she said. She welcomes the budget’s inclusion of about 5,300 new public sector jobs, though warns they fail to reverse the 13,000 jobs cut since the Coalition came to power.”

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:52:32
From: sibeen
ID: 1736672
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ANALYSIS: A political document more like what you’d expect from Labor

Brett Worthington, political correspondent

As much as budgets are economic documents, at their heart they’re political documents.

In releasing his second pandemic budget, and third since coming to the job, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has given an insight into just how much COVID-19 has changed his economic thinking.

Tens of billions will go to the nation’s most vulnerable — to support children, the elderly and those with a disability. These are three areas that Coalition has faced criticism for having not offered more funding previously.

But the focus on jobs, and not austerity, as a path to budget repair will offer political problems for Labor.

In many ways, the Coalition is releasing a budget that you would expect to see Labor release, especially given its focus on government services.

But big spending means a forecast decade of deficits and national debt that’s on track to hit $1 trillion by 2025.

As much as that will anger elements of the Coalition backbench, the Treasurer has made it very clear there will be no cuts — like his predecessors unveiled in 2014 — anytime soon.

He is hoping that budget repair will happen if he can get more people into work. That will mean more money coming to the government from income taxes and fewer people needing welfare.

It will take years for that theory to be tested and long before that happens Australians will be heading to the polls, potentially as early as later this year, where they’ll get the chance to pass judgement on the nation’s leaders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:55:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736673
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


ANALYSIS: A political document more like what you’d expect from Labor

Brett Worthington, political correspondent

As much as budgets are economic documents, at their heart they’re political documents.

In releasing his second pandemic budget, and third since coming to the job, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has given an insight into just how much COVID-19 has changed his economic thinking.

Tens of billions will go to the nation’s most vulnerable — to support children, the elderly and those with a disability. These are three areas that Coalition has faced criticism for having not offered more funding previously.

But the focus on jobs, and not austerity, as a path to budget repair will offer political problems for Labor.

In many ways, the Coalition is releasing a budget that you would expect to see Labor release, especially given its focus on government services.

But big spending means a forecast decade of deficits and national debt that’s on track to hit $1 trillion by 2025.

As much as that will anger elements of the Coalition backbench, the Treasurer has made it very clear there will be no cuts — like his predecessors unveiled in 2014 — anytime soon.

He is hoping that budget repair will happen if he can get more people into work. That will mean more money coming to the government from income taxes and fewer people needing welfare.

It will take years for that theory to be tested and long before that happens Australians will be heading to the polls, potentially as early as later this year, where they’ll get the chance to pass judgement on the nation’s leaders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

And for the ‘right on schedule’ budget response – the nothing if not predictable IPA, which is not happy with the spending.

From it’s release:

Tonight’s budget confirms that gross federal government debt will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in Australia’s history. Gross federal government debt is now equal to 45% of GDP, which is more than double what it was during the Whitlam-era.

“This is a budget that Labor would have been proud to have delivered. It commits Australia to permanently higher spending, higher taxes, and higher debt, without offering any economic reform,” said Daniel Wild, Director of Research at free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.

Total gross government debt is now the equivalent to $37,500 per person – a staggering 1,300 per cent increase since the eve of the Global Financial Crisis.

“It will not just be our children paying back this debt, but our grandchildren and future generations.”

“The Coalition appears to have given up making the argument for economic reform and smaller government.”

“The proposed income tax cuts are illusory because the government is committing to higher taxes as a result of higher debt. The only way to have sustainable and permanently lower taxes is through sustainable and permanently less spending.”

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:57:49
From: sibeen
ID: 1736674
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

ANALYSIS: A political document more like what you’d expect from Labor

Brett Worthington, political correspondent

As much as budgets are economic documents, at their heart they’re political documents.

In releasing his second pandemic budget, and third since coming to the job, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has given an insight into just how much COVID-19 has changed his economic thinking.

Tens of billions will go to the nation’s most vulnerable — to support children, the elderly and those with a disability. These are three areas that Coalition has faced criticism for having not offered more funding previously.

But the focus on jobs, and not austerity, as a path to budget repair will offer political problems for Labor.

In many ways, the Coalition is releasing a budget that you would expect to see Labor release, especially given its focus on government services.

But big spending means a forecast decade of deficits and national debt that’s on track to hit $1 trillion by 2025.

As much as that will anger elements of the Coalition backbench, the Treasurer has made it very clear there will be no cuts — like his predecessors unveiled in 2014 — anytime soon.

He is hoping that budget repair will happen if he can get more people into work. That will mean more money coming to the government from income taxes and fewer people needing welfare.

It will take years for that theory to be tested and long before that happens Australians will be heading to the polls, potentially as early as later this year, where they’ll get the chance to pass judgement on the nation’s leaders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

And for the ‘right on schedule’ budget response – the nothing if not predictable IPA, which is not happy with the spending.

From it’s release:

Tonight’s budget confirms that gross federal government debt will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in Australia’s history. Gross federal government debt is now equal to 45% of GDP, which is more than double what it was during the Whitlam-era.

“This is a budget that Labor would have been proud to have delivered. It commits Australia to permanently higher spending, higher taxes, and higher debt, without offering any economic reform,” said Daniel Wild, Director of Research at free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.

Total gross government debt is now the equivalent to $37,500 per person – a staggering 1,300 per cent increase since the eve of the Global Financial Crisis.

“It will not just be our children paying back this debt, but our grandchildren and future generations.”

“The Coalition appears to have given up making the argument for economic reform and smaller government.”

“The proposed income tax cuts are illusory because the government is committing to higher taxes as a result of higher debt. The only way to have sustainable and permanently lower taxes is through sustainable and permanently less spending.”

Was just reading that one. If you’re pissing off the IPA then surely you’re doing something right.

:)

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Date: 11/05/2021 21:59:38
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736675
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

ANALYSIS: A political document more like what you’d expect from Labor

Brett Worthington, political correspondent

As much as budgets are economic documents, at their heart they’re political documents.

In releasing his second pandemic budget, and third since coming to the job, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has given an insight into just how much COVID-19 has changed his economic thinking.

Tens of billions will go to the nation’s most vulnerable — to support children, the elderly and those with a disability. These are three areas that Coalition has faced criticism for having not offered more funding previously.

But the focus on jobs, and not austerity, as a path to budget repair will offer political problems for Labor.

In many ways, the Coalition is releasing a budget that you would expect to see Labor release, especially given its focus on government services.

But big spending means a forecast decade of deficits and national debt that’s on track to hit $1 trillion by 2025.

As much as that will anger elements of the Coalition backbench, the Treasurer has made it very clear there will be no cuts — like his predecessors unveiled in 2014 — anytime soon.

He is hoping that budget repair will happen if he can get more people into work. That will mean more money coming to the government from income taxes and fewer people needing welfare.

It will take years for that theory to be tested and long before that happens Australians will be heading to the polls, potentially as early as later this year, where they’ll get the chance to pass judgement on the nation’s leaders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

And for the ‘right on schedule’ budget response – the nothing if not predictable IPA, which is not happy with the spending.

From it’s release:

Tonight’s budget confirms that gross federal government debt will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in Australia’s history. Gross federal government debt is now equal to 45% of GDP, which is more than double what it was during the Whitlam-era.

“This is a budget that Labor would have been proud to have delivered. It commits Australia to permanently higher spending, higher taxes, and higher debt, without offering any economic reform,” said Daniel Wild, Director of Research at free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.

Total gross government debt is now the equivalent to $37,500 per person – a staggering 1,300 per cent increase since the eve of the Global Financial Crisis.

“It will not just be our children paying back this debt, but our grandchildren and future generations.”

“The Coalition appears to have given up making the argument for economic reform and smaller government.”

“The proposed income tax cuts are illusory because the government is committing to higher taxes as a result of higher debt. The only way to have sustainable and permanently lower taxes is through sustainable and permanently less spending.”

Was just reading that one. If you’re pissing off the IPA then surely you’re doing something right.

:)

not necessarily. maybe the IPA is just playing a game. Oppose this budget and the plebs will think it must be OK and Laborish and not so Rightish.

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Date: 11/05/2021 22:00:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736676
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sibeen said:

ANALYSIS: A political document more like what you’d expect from Labor

Brett Worthington, political correspondent

As much as budgets are economic documents, at their heart they’re political documents.

In releasing his second pandemic budget, and third since coming to the job, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has given an insight into just how much COVID-19 has changed his economic thinking.

Tens of billions will go to the nation’s most vulnerable — to support children, the elderly and those with a disability. These are three areas that Coalition has faced criticism for having not offered more funding previously.

But the focus on jobs, and not austerity, as a path to budget repair will offer political problems for Labor.

In many ways, the Coalition is releasing a budget that you would expect to see Labor release, especially given its focus on government services.

But big spending means a forecast decade of deficits and national debt that’s on track to hit $1 trillion by 2025.

As much as that will anger elements of the Coalition backbench, the Treasurer has made it very clear there will be no cuts — like his predecessors unveiled in 2014 — anytime soon.

He is hoping that budget repair will happen if he can get more people into work. That will mean more money coming to the government from income taxes and fewer people needing welfare.

It will take years for that theory to be tested and long before that happens Australians will be heading to the polls, potentially as early as later this year, where they’ll get the chance to pass judgement on the nation’s leaders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

And for the ‘right on schedule’ budget response – the nothing if not predictable IPA, which is not happy with the spending.

From it’s release:

Tonight’s budget confirms that gross federal government debt will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in Australia’s history. Gross federal government debt is now equal to 45% of GDP, which is more than double what it was during the Whitlam-era.

“This is a budget that Labor would have been proud to have delivered. It commits Australia to permanently higher spending, higher taxes, and higher debt, without offering any economic reform,” said Daniel Wild, Director of Research at free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.

Total gross government debt is now the equivalent to $37,500 per person – a staggering 1,300 per cent increase since the eve of the Global Financial Crisis.

“It will not just be our children paying back this debt, but our grandchildren and future generations.”

“The Coalition appears to have given up making the argument for economic reform and smaller government.”

“The proposed income tax cuts are illusory because the government is committing to higher taxes as a result of higher debt. The only way to have sustainable and permanently lower taxes is through sustainable and permanently less spending.”

so basically everyone accuses Labor of being Corruption Coalition Lite and yet here we have claims that the Corruption Coalition are diving into Labor positon and somehow both of those situations should be votes for Marketing, makes sense

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Date: 11/05/2021 22:00:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736677
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

ANALYSIS: A political document more like what you’d expect from Labor

Brett Worthington, political correspondent

As much as budgets are economic documents, at their heart they’re political documents.

In releasing his second pandemic budget, and third since coming to the job, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has given an insight into just how much COVID-19 has changed his economic thinking.

Tens of billions will go to the nation’s most vulnerable — to support children, the elderly and those with a disability. These are three areas that Coalition has faced criticism for having not offered more funding previously.

But the focus on jobs, and not austerity, as a path to budget repair will offer political problems for Labor.

In many ways, the Coalition is releasing a budget that you would expect to see Labor release, especially given its focus on government services.

But big spending means a forecast decade of deficits and national debt that’s on track to hit $1 trillion by 2025.

As much as that will anger elements of the Coalition backbench, the Treasurer has made it very clear there will be no cuts — like his predecessors unveiled in 2014 — anytime soon.

He is hoping that budget repair will happen if he can get more people into work. That will mean more money coming to the government from income taxes and fewer people needing welfare.

It will take years for that theory to be tested and long before that happens Australians will be heading to the polls, potentially as early as later this year, where they’ll get the chance to pass judgement on the nation’s leaders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/federal-budget-2021-live-updates-aged-care-jobs/100131542

And for the ‘right on schedule’ budget response – the nothing if not predictable IPA, which is not happy with the spending.

From it’s release:

Tonight’s budget confirms that gross federal government debt will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in Australia’s history. Gross federal government debt is now equal to 45% of GDP, which is more than double what it was during the Whitlam-era.

“This is a budget that Labor would have been proud to have delivered. It commits Australia to permanently higher spending, higher taxes, and higher debt, without offering any economic reform,” said Daniel Wild, Director of Research at free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs.

Total gross government debt is now the equivalent to $37,500 per person – a staggering 1,300 per cent increase since the eve of the Global Financial Crisis.

“It will not just be our children paying back this debt, but our grandchildren and future generations.”

“The Coalition appears to have given up making the argument for economic reform and smaller government.”

“The proposed income tax cuts are illusory because the government is committing to higher taxes as a result of higher debt. The only way to have sustainable and permanently lower taxes is through sustainable and permanently less spending.”

Was just reading that one. If you’re pissing off the IPA then surely you’re doing something right.

:)

I wish we could piss them off further.

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Date: 11/05/2021 22:01:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1736678
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:
not necessarily. maybe the IPA is just playing a game. Oppose this budget and the plebs will think it must be OK and Laborish and not so Rightish.

I wish we could piss them off further.

^ ^^

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Date: 12/05/2021 06:33:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1736722
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

4m ago 19:56

Josh Frydenberg also just said that “under the Coalition, the NDIS will always be fully funded”.

I mean sure – when you change the parameters of what ‘fully funded’ means, and boot a whole of people who would have been eligible, off, then yes – you can say you are ‘fully funding’ what is left – but that doesn’t meant the NDIS is anywhere near where it needs to be.

Josh is a fool and a liar.

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Date: 12/05/2021 06:48:42
From: dv
ID: 1736727
Subject: re: Aust Politics

All up it’s not a bad budget but there’s not much in there for the environment

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Date: 12/05/2021 06:53:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1736729
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


All up it’s not a bad budget but there’s not much in there for the environment

I didn’t see much that said the environment matters.

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Date: 12/05/2021 06:56:51
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1736730
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

All up it’s not a bad budget but there’s not much in there for the environment

I didn’t see much that said the environment matters.

Not their part of ship.

Our government has delegated decisions in that area to land developers and miners.

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Date: 12/05/2021 07:00:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1736732
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

All up it’s not a bad budget but there’s not much in there for the environment

I didn’t see much that said the environment matters.

Not their part of ship.

Our government has delegated decisions in that area to land developers and miners.

and we all know the history of that.

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Date: 12/05/2021 07:25:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1736739
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


All up it’s not a bad budget but there’s not much in there for the environment

Isn’t that a bit like saying of a football game:
All up it’s not a bad result, but we didn’t get many points compared with the other team?

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Date: 12/05/2021 08:35:41
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1736767
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/ng-interactive/2021/may/11/budget-speech-2021-australia-treasurer-josh-frydenberg-full-address-annotated-what-we-can-read-between-the-lines

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Date: 12/05/2021 12:13:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1736928
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


All up it’s not a bad budget but there’s not much in there for the environment

So it is all set for an early election. They’ve been seen to be nice to kids and women. Now they just have to keep themselves clean of a major controversy.

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Date: 12/05/2021 12:55:49
From: Ian
ID: 1736949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 12/05/2021 17:25:28
From: party_pants
ID: 1737051
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I see the Federal Budget contains $1.2B in road funding for a plan that was scrapped 4 years ago.

Be nice if they could re-allocate that money for some other roadworks instead.

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Date: 12/05/2021 17:26:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737052
Subject: re: Aust Politics

yeah but they’re still subsidising fuel that was obsolete 15 years ago so give it a bit of time

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Date: 12/05/2021 17:27:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737053
Subject: re: Aust Politics

meanwhile in individual states, something federal will no doubt grab credit for

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-12/qld-ptsd-legislation-first-responders-injury-work/100134374

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Date: 12/05/2021 18:02:42
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1737072
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/12/australia-federal-budget-2021-zero-funding-for-commonwealth-integrity-commission-anti-corruption-body-coalition

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Date: 12/05/2021 19:42:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737120
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Tasmanians have made it clear they want a stable majority Gutwein Liberal government getting on with the job, not the backroom factional antics and horse-trading offered by opposing candidates,” he said.

clear enough to take 11 days sure yeah fine right

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Date: 12/05/2021 19:44:27
From: sibeen
ID: 1737122
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


“Tasmanians have made it clear they want a stable majority Gutwein Liberal government getting on with the job, not the backroom factional antics and horse-trading offered by opposing candidates,” he said.

clear enough to take 11 days sure yeah fine right

_Despite polling day being on May 1, the Tasmanian Electoral Commission was forced to wait until today before it could begin distributing preferences in the race. _

I have no idea why this was the case but according to our ABC this was the case.

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Date: 12/05/2021 21:09:36
From: dv
ID: 1737158
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kristie Johnston got in.

There’s still one seat undetermined, the 6th in Braddon, but I think Libs will win in and end with 14

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Date: 12/05/2021 21:23:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737160
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Kristie Johnston got in.

There’s still one seat undetermined, the 6th in Braddon, but I think Libs will win in and end with 14

I think one takeaway is that the most left leaning electorate around didnt vote Labor and that says something.

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Date: 12/05/2021 21:26:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737161
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Kristie Johnston got in.

There’s still one seat undetermined, the 6th in Braddon, but I think Libs will win in and end with 14

I think one takeaway is that the most left leaning electorate around didnt vote Labor and that says something.

I really don’t want a cable car with a whiskey bar on Mt Welly. Especially when it is owned by an awful.

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Date: 12/05/2021 22:14:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737167
Subject: re: Aust Politics

No police investigation into allegations Adam Brooks had fake driver’s licence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-12/adam-brooks-no-police-investigation/100134180

of course not

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Date: 12/05/2021 22:25:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737170
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


No police investigation into allegations Adam Brooks had fake driver’s licence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-12/adam-brooks-no-police-investigation/100134180

of course not

*nods.

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Date: 12/05/2021 22:55:29
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1737174
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


SCIENCE said:

No police investigation into allegations Adam Brooks had fake driver’s licence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-12/adam-brooks-no-police-investigation/100134180

of course not

*nods.

Da fuq?
Wow.

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Date: 13/05/2021 09:17:57
From: dv
ID: 1737231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m getting FB notifications on the anniversary of my comments on the 2014 Abbott-Hockey budget… bizarre and horrific as it was.

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Date: 13/05/2021 09:21:27
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1737234
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I’m getting FB notifications on the anniversary of my comments on the 2014 Abbott-Hockey budget… bizarre and horrific as it was.

Forgive my ignorance… Did that end up happening?

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Date: 13/05/2021 09:33:55
From: dv
ID: 1737239
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Divine Angel said:


dv said:

I’m getting FB notifications on the anniversary of my comments on the 2014 Abbott-Hockey budget… bizarre and horrific as it was.

Forgive my ignorance… Did that end up happening?

The Classification Review Board was quietly dropped from the merger but a number of other boards were merged.

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Date: 13/05/2021 09:48:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1737240
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I’m getting FB notifications on the anniversary of my comments on the 2014 Abbott-Hockey budget… bizarre and horrific as it was.

Well I hope you are chuffed that FB values your ancient words of wisdom so highly.

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Date: 13/05/2021 10:02:25
From: dv
ID: 1737249
Subject: re: Aust Politics

AFL premiership forward Willie Rioli has avoided a conviction and been placed on a good behaviour bond after pleading guilty to drug possession.

Northern Territory police found 24.23 grams of the drug on the West Coast star after a heavily taped package fell from his shorts during screening at Darwin airport on April 23.

Rioli, 25, pleaded guilty on Wednesday in Darwin Local Court to possessing a schedule 2 dangerous drug of less than a trafficable quantity.

Shame, loss, humiliation, grief. That’s how Mr Rioli feels,’ lawyer Mark Thomas said during sentencing submissions.

‘He is truly ashamed and regretful for what has occurred.

‘Your Honour has a trite and humble young man before you.’

He said the father-of-two had suffered a national humiliation after his case became public due to ‘an arsenal’ of media reporting.

Mr Thomas asked for a fine but not a conviction, saying it may put his AFL career in jeopardy.

Magistrate Michael Carey placed him on a 12-month $500 good behaviour bond with no conviction.

Rioli’s case was delayed earlier in the day while his legal team waited for signatures on some character references.

The ace goal kicker has been suspended from the AFL since September 12, 2019, a day before West Coast’s semi-final.

Rioli was found guilty of substituting his urine during two separate anti-doping drug tests. He also tested positive to a metabolite of cannabis during a different drug test.

His AFL anti-doping tribunal case was finally heard in March, with Rioli escaping with a two-year ban instead of a possible four-year suspension.

Rioli had been given permission to train with West Coast from June 20 and resume playing on August 20.

But his career is now hanging by a thread, with Eagles football operations manager Craig Vozzo on Tuesday saying the club was supporting Rioli while they wait for the court result.

—-

Imagine having to pretend to feel shame and remorse over hilding 24g of weed. I don’t think I could manage it.

“I regret that these events occurred during Australia’s cannabis prohibition phase.”

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Date: 13/05/2021 10:03:19
From: Ian
ID: 1737251
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I’m getting FB notifications on the anniversary of my comments on the 2014 Abbott-Hockey budget… bizarre and horrific as it was.

Are there no depths to which fb will not sink?

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Date: 13/05/2021 10:04:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1737254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


AFL premiership forward Willie Rioli has avoided a conviction and been placed on a good behaviour bond after pleading guilty to drug possession.

Northern Territory police found 24.23 grams of the drug on the West Coast star after a heavily taped package fell from his shorts during screening at Darwin airport on April 23.

Rioli, 25, pleaded guilty on Wednesday in Darwin Local Court to possessing a schedule 2 dangerous drug of less than a trafficable quantity.

Shame, loss, humiliation, grief. That’s how Mr Rioli feels,’ lawyer Mark Thomas said during sentencing submissions.

‘He is truly ashamed and regretful for what has occurred.

‘Your Honour has a trite and humble young man before you.’

He said the father-of-two had suffered a national humiliation after his case became public due to ‘an arsenal’ of media reporting.

Mr Thomas asked for a fine but not a conviction, saying it may put his AFL career in jeopardy.

Magistrate Michael Carey placed him on a 12-month $500 good behaviour bond with no conviction.

Rioli’s case was delayed earlier in the day while his legal team waited for signatures on some character references.

The ace goal kicker has been suspended from the AFL since September 12, 2019, a day before West Coast’s semi-final.

Rioli was found guilty of substituting his urine during two separate anti-doping drug tests. He also tested positive to a metabolite of cannabis during a different drug test.

His AFL anti-doping tribunal case was finally heard in March, with Rioli escaping with a two-year ban instead of a possible four-year suspension.

Rioli had been given permission to train with West Coast from June 20 and resume playing on August 20.

But his career is now hanging by a thread, with Eagles football operations manager Craig Vozzo on Tuesday saying the club was supporting Rioli while they wait for the court result.

—-

Imagine having to pretend to feel shame and remorse over hilding 24g of weed. I don’t think I could manage it.

“I regret that these events occurred during Australia’s cannabis prohibition phase.”

I would have a sense of loss and grief too if someone took my pot.

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Date: 13/05/2021 10:07:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1737256
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

AFL premiership forward Willie Rioli has avoided a conviction and been placed on a good behaviour bond after pleading guilty to drug possession.

Northern Territory police found 24.23 grams of the drug on the West Coast star after a heavily taped package fell from his shorts during screening at Darwin airport on April 23.

Rioli, 25, pleaded guilty on Wednesday in Darwin Local Court to possessing a schedule 2 dangerous drug of less than a trafficable quantity.

Shame, loss, humiliation, grief. That’s how Mr Rioli feels,’ lawyer Mark Thomas said during sentencing submissions.

‘He is truly ashamed and regretful for what has occurred.

‘Your Honour has a trite and humble young man before you.’

He said the father-of-two had suffered a national humiliation after his case became public due to ‘an arsenal’ of media reporting.

Mr Thomas asked for a fine but not a conviction, saying it may put his AFL career in jeopardy.

Magistrate Michael Carey placed him on a 12-month $500 good behaviour bond with no conviction.

Rioli’s case was delayed earlier in the day while his legal team waited for signatures on some character references.

The ace goal kicker has been suspended from the AFL since September 12, 2019, a day before West Coast’s semi-final.

Rioli was found guilty of substituting his urine during two separate anti-doping drug tests. He also tested positive to a metabolite of cannabis during a different drug test.

His AFL anti-doping tribunal case was finally heard in March, with Rioli escaping with a two-year ban instead of a possible four-year suspension.

Rioli had been given permission to train with West Coast from June 20 and resume playing on August 20.

But his career is now hanging by a thread, with Eagles football operations manager Craig Vozzo on Tuesday saying the club was supporting Rioli while they wait for the court result.

—-

Imagine having to pretend to feel shame and remorse over hilding 24g of weed. I don’t think I could manage it.

“I regret that these events occurred during Australia’s cannabis prohibition phase.”

I would have a sense of loss and grief too if someone took my pot.

Maybe one day people will be allowed to take pot where they are going, I dont see why not.

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Date: 13/05/2021 10:11:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1737262
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

AFL premiership forward Willie Rioli has avoided a conviction and been placed on a good behaviour bond after pleading guilty to drug possession.

Northern Territory police found 24.23 grams of the drug on the West Coast star after a heavily taped package fell from his shorts during screening at Darwin airport on April 23.

Rioli, 25, pleaded guilty on Wednesday in Darwin Local Court to possessing a schedule 2 dangerous drug of less than a trafficable quantity.

Shame, loss, humiliation, grief. That’s how Mr Rioli feels,’ lawyer Mark Thomas said during sentencing submissions.

‘He is truly ashamed and regretful for what has occurred.

‘Your Honour has a trite and humble young man before you.’

He said the father-of-two had suffered a national humiliation after his case became public due to ‘an arsenal’ of media reporting.

Mr Thomas asked for a fine but not a conviction, saying it may put his AFL career in jeopardy.

Magistrate Michael Carey placed him on a 12-month $500 good behaviour bond with no conviction.

Rioli’s case was delayed earlier in the day while his legal team waited for signatures on some character references.

The ace goal kicker has been suspended from the AFL since September 12, 2019, a day before West Coast’s semi-final.

Rioli was found guilty of substituting his urine during two separate anti-doping drug tests. He also tested positive to a metabolite of cannabis during a different drug test.

His AFL anti-doping tribunal case was finally heard in March, with Rioli escaping with a two-year ban instead of a possible four-year suspension.

Rioli had been given permission to train with West Coast from June 20 and resume playing on August 20.

But his career is now hanging by a thread, with Eagles football operations manager Craig Vozzo on Tuesday saying the club was supporting Rioli while they wait for the court result.

—-

Imagine having to pretend to feel shame and remorse over hilding 24g of weed. I don’t think I could manage it.

“I regret that these events occurred during Australia’s cannabis prohibition phase.”

I would have a sense of loss and grief too if someone took my pot.

Maybe one day people will be allowed to take pot where they are going, I dont see why not.

Paul McCartney tried to carry an elbow into Japan. Made the news.

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Date: 13/05/2021 10:12:03
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1737263
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

AFL premiership forward Willie Rioli has avoided a conviction and been placed on a good behaviour bond after pleading guilty to drug possession.

Northern Territory police found 24.23 grams of the drug on the West Coast star after a heavily taped package fell from his shorts during screening at Darwin airport on April 23.

Rioli, 25, pleaded guilty on Wednesday in Darwin Local Court to possessing a schedule 2 dangerous drug of less than a trafficable quantity.

Shame, loss, humiliation, grief. That’s how Mr Rioli feels,’ lawyer Mark Thomas said during sentencing submissions.

‘He is truly ashamed and regretful for what has occurred.

‘Your Honour has a trite and humble young man before you.’

He said the father-of-two had suffered a national humiliation after his case became public due to ‘an arsenal’ of media reporting.

Mr Thomas asked for a fine but not a conviction, saying it may put his AFL career in jeopardy.

Magistrate Michael Carey placed him on a 12-month $500 good behaviour bond with no conviction.

Rioli’s case was delayed earlier in the day while his legal team waited for signatures on some character references.

The ace goal kicker has been suspended from the AFL since September 12, 2019, a day before West Coast’s semi-final.

Rioli was found guilty of substituting his urine during two separate anti-doping drug tests. He also tested positive to a metabolite of cannabis during a different drug test.

His AFL anti-doping tribunal case was finally heard in March, with Rioli escaping with a two-year ban instead of a possible four-year suspension.

Rioli had been given permission to train with West Coast from June 20 and resume playing on August 20.

But his career is now hanging by a thread, with Eagles football operations manager Craig Vozzo on Tuesday saying the club was supporting Rioli while they wait for the court result.

—-

Imagine having to pretend to feel shame and remorse over hilding 24g of weed. I don’t think I could manage it.

“I regret that these events occurred during Australia’s cannabis prohibition phase.”

I would have a sense of loss and grief too if someone took my pot.

Maybe one day people will be allowed to take pot where they are going, I dont see why not.

Why does one need a character reference for having a plant?

Over the top.

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Date: 13/05/2021 12:44:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1737350
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Gluhwein looks like he’ll continue as Premier, got the 13 seats for majority.
How do you solve a problem like Sue Hickey, you hold an election.
But the Labor leader says he may have inherited another problem child in Madeleine Oglivie a world champion ship jumper.

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Date: 13/05/2021 13:45:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737394
Subject: re: Aust Politics

John Hawkins is still around.

https://www.tasmaniantimes.com/2021/05/john-hawkins-questions-senator-abetz/

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Date: 13/05/2021 13:49:33
From: Michael V
ID: 1737397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Gluhwein looks like he’ll continue as Premier, got the 13 seats for majority.
How do you solve a problem like Sue Hickey, you hold an election.
But the Labor leader says he may have inherited another problem child in Madeleine Oglivie a world champion ship jumper.

LOL

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Date: 13/05/2021 14:06:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737415
Subject: re: Aust Politics

we mean we haven’t met either of these 2 boys before but is this some next level shit or what

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-13/nt-selena-uibo-lydia-thorpe-youth-justice-bail-law/100136066

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Date: 13/05/2021 14:12:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737419
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Either Scott Morrison has substantially shifted Australia’s policy on Taiwan, adopting Beijing’s position and ending 50 years of bipartisanship — or he’s lying to cover up his mistake,” she wrote on Twitter.

“Given his form, my assumption is it’s the latter.”

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Date: 13/05/2021 14:19:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1737423
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


we mean we haven’t met either of these 2 boys before but is this some next level shit or what

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-13/nt-selena-uibo-lydia-thorpe-youth-justice-bail-law/100136066

No, nothing next level I can see, and they are women, not boys.

One of them stuffed up badly, but that happens.

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Date: 13/05/2021 14:38:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1737444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

we mean we haven’t met either of these 2 boys before but is this some next level shit or what

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-13/nt-selena-uibo-lydia-thorpe-youth-justice-bail-law/100136066

No, nothing next level I can see, and they are women, not boys.

One of them stuffed up badly, but that happens.

Giving the other one the opportunity to totally evade the real issues with the proposed changes.

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Date: 13/05/2021 14:41:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737448
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so you reckon it was a set-up, and Dorothy Dix would be proud

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:20:58
From: dv
ID: 1737505
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:22:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1737506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A NSW government MP is under investigation over allegations of sexual violence dating back to 2013.

In a statement, NSW Police said it had established Strike Force Condello to investigate the claims.

The statement refers to “incidents reported to have occurred from 2013”.

More to come.

almost certainly innocent, and the accused are almost certainly guilty of lies

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:22:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1737507
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What’s their motive? It makes no sense. They seem intent on sealing Australia’s status as an international human rights pariah.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:23:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1737508
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

The longer this government is around, the clearer it becomes that that have NO F***ING IDEA AT ALL as to what they’re doing, and just knee-jerking and making shit up as they go.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:24:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1737510
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What’s their motive? It makes no sense. They seem intent on sealing Australia’s status as an international human rights pariah.

I think it goes above ‘seem intent’.

It looks blatant to me.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:25:23
From: Cymek
ID: 1737511
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What’s their motive? It makes no sense. They seem intent on sealing Australia’s status as an international human rights pariah.

I wonder how new entire communities made up refugees would work, proper ones with infrastructure and such

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:30:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737514
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

The longer this government is around, the clearer it becomes that that have NO F***ING IDEA AT ALL as to what they’re doing, and just knee-jerking and making shit up as they go.

They are quite adept at causing pain.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:34:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737515
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scum.

I watched a video this morning about a woman on the Indue card who has been having her rent stuffed up since October. She’s also the one that can buy alcohol but can’t buy food. They’ve talked about her twice in the Senate. Her rent failed again this morning. I can’t help but feel it is all on purpose.

At least she is free to move …as long as she takes the card with her.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:40:18
From: dv
ID: 1737517
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What’s their motive? It makes no sense. They seem intent on sealing Australia’s status as an international human rights pariah.

I think it goes above ‘seem intent’.

It looks blatant to me.

I mean if you’re going to be an emissions pariah you might as well be a pariah on everything. IFAPIFAP.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:41:47
From: dv
ID: 1737518
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What’s their motive? It makes no sense. They seem intent on sealing Australia’s status as an international human rights pariah.

I wonder how new entire communities made up refugees would work, proper ones with infrastructure and such

Well last time that happened they built the Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:46:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737519
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

What’s their motive? It makes no sense. They seem intent on sealing Australia’s status as an international human rights pariah.

I wonder how new entire communities made up refugees would work, proper ones with infrastructure and such

Well last time that happened they built the Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme.

+ Tassie Hydro.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:50:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1737520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

I wonder how new entire communities made up refugees would work, proper ones with infrastructure and such

Well last time that happened they built the Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme.

+ Tassie Hydro.

Surely it also makes sense that they have jobs and then become tax payers.
I wonder what assumption the government has about them, is it they could be terrorists and a danger, or not white so bad.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:51:51
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1737521
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

Isn’t that the definition of a refugee?

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:53:10
From: dv
ID: 1737522
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Well last time that happened they built the Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme.

+ Tassie Hydro.

Surely it also makes sense that they have jobs and then become tax payers.
I wonder what assumption the government has about them, is it they could be terrorists and a danger, or not white so bad.

Yes. Refugees tend to be net boons to the tax base because of their higher participation rates (due to being predominantly of working age) and incomplete entitlements. There’s no economic sense at all to paying millions to lock them up. It’s just performative cruelty.

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Date: 13/05/2021 16:55:34
From: party_pants
ID: 1737524
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What the actual fuck is the purpose of this action? It is just kicking people for fun now.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:13:35
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1737526
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What the actual fuck is the purpose of this action? It is just kicking people for fun now.

No, it is about not being legally liable to any action by refugees. That is more important than doing harm to them.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:15:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737527
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees

What the actual fuck is the purpose of this action? It is just kicking people for fun now.

No, it is about not being legally liable to any action by refugees. That is more important than doing harm to them.

Yeah after spending billions being awful to them you wouldnt want them to walk away with a few mill.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:20:18
From: Cymek
ID: 1737530
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

What the actual fuck is the purpose of this action? It is just kicking people for fun now.

No, it is about not being legally liable to any action by refugees. That is more important than doing harm to them.

Yeah after spending billions being awful to them you wouldnt want them to walk away with a few mill.

What’s a reasonable detention period for actual health and information gathering/purposes even for someone not overly cooperative out of fear because of their life experiences.
A month or so, then they go to another area to learn skills to integrate into the community, given support (housing ? is a hard one as not enough public housing exists at the moment)
Follow ups with welfare checks for a year or and then left alone if they wish

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:23:51
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737540
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

No, it is about not being legally liable to any action by refugees. That is more important than doing harm to them.

Yeah after spending billions being awful to them you wouldnt want them to walk away with a few mill.

What’s a reasonable detention period for actual health and information gathering/purposes even for someone not overly cooperative out of fear because of their life experiences.
A month or so, then they go to another area to learn skills to integrate into the community, given support (housing ? is a hard one as not enough public housing exists at the moment)
Follow ups with welfare checks for a year or and then left alone if they wish

You could hold them for ransom. I’m sure the community could come up with a bond and a group of peope to assist them.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:24:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1737541
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:25:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1737545
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:



Psychos all in Psycho Hall.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:27:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737547
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees


is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:34:23
From: dv
ID: 1737553
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees


is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:36:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1737555
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees


is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

No, Ros.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:39:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1737560
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

No, Ros.

Scomo: How good is not bothering me with questions of ethics? I already know I’m an angel, I can speak in tongues.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:48:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1737563
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Morrison government rushes through new laws that allow lifetime detention of refugees

The Morrison government has today rushed through legislation that will allow it to lock up refugees in detention centres, potentiality for the rest of their lives. The legislation – one of the first laws passed under new Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews – continues the previous Minister Peter Dutton’s legacy of punitive action towards refugees.

The Migration Amendment (Clarifying International Obligations for Removal) Bill 2021 targets refugees in immigration detention who cannot return to their home countries because of a risk of persecution or serious harm.

While the new laws notionally provide protections against sending people to harm, the legislation actually gives the Minister a new power to overturn refugee status in breach of international law, and contains no mechanism to prevent the indefinite detention of refugees who cannot be returned.

The legislation is an attempt to shield the Morrison Government from legal challenges currently in the courts against lifetime detention of refugees. In April, the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Human Rights raised concerns that the legislation would result in fewer checks on indefinite detention and had sought clarification from the Minister. No response was published before the legislation was rushed through Parliament.

David Burke, Legal Director, Human Rights Law Centre said:

“The legislation exposes Minister Andrew’s willingness to leave growing numbers of refugees languishing in detention without any plan.

“The government should not have the power to lock people up for potentially the rest of their lives without any safeguards. This forces refugees into an unthinkable choice between spending potentially decades in immigration detention, or agreeing to go back to a country where the Federal government recognises they will be persecuted. These new laws allow the Morrison government to warehouse people who have nowhere else to go.

“There is no justification to give the Minister a new power to cancel refugee status. The Minister should not be able to waive a pen and overturn the fundamental protection the government has given someone whose life is at risk. Refugee status should never be a day-by-day proposition.

“Government decisions about who is detained, on what grounds and for how long, are matters that need more oversight, not less. We urgently need changes that do more than forcing people to choose between languishing in immigration detention or being forced back to harm.”

https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2021/5/13/morrison-government-rushes-through-new-laws-that-allow-lifetime-detention-of-refugees


is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

It still has to be passed by the Governor General.

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:50:02
From: dv
ID: 1737564
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

No, Ros.

Rhymes with Soros. Coincidence?

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:50:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1737566
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

It still has to be passed by the Governor General.

Do you think some filthy lefties will storm Yarralumla?

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Date: 13/05/2021 17:52:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1737569
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

It still has to be passed by the Governor General.

Do you think some filthy lefties will storm Yarralumla?

We did have them storm the home of our democracy, Parliament House, once.

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Date: 13/05/2021 18:14:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1737588
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

is there any chance of it failing in the senate?

It passed the Senate today

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6696

No, Ros.

Arseholes.

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Date: 13/05/2021 18:24:52
From: dv
ID: 1737596
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

It still has to be passed by the Governor General.

John Adrian Louis Hope, 1st Marquess of Linlithgow, 7th Earl of Hopetoun, KT, GCMGGCVO, PC

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Date: 20/05/2021 12:25:11
From: dv
ID: 1740379
Subject: re: Aust Politics

One of Perth’s biggest councils, named after Western Australia’s first governor Sir James Stirling, is set to consider changing its name to better recognise the area’s traditional owners.

The council is named after WA’s first governor, Sir James Stirling

Records show he was involved in the 1834 Pinjarra massacre

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-19/city-of-stirling-to-consider-name-change-for-traditional-owners/100150288

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Date: 20/05/2021 12:26:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1740382
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


One of Perth’s biggest councils, named after Western Australia’s first governor Sir James Stirling, is set to consider changing its name to better recognise the area’s traditional owners.

The council is named after WA’s first governor, Sir James Stirling

Records show he was involved in the 1834 Pinjarra massacre

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-19/city-of-stirling-to-consider-name-change-for-traditional-owners/100150288

So it’ll be the Pinjarra Massacre Ranges National Park from now on?

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Date: 20/05/2021 12:27:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1740383
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


One of Perth’s biggest councils, named after Western Australia’s first governor Sir James Stirling, is set to consider changing its name to better recognise the area’s traditional owners.

The council is named after WA’s first governor, Sir James Stirling

Records show he was involved in the 1834 Pinjarra massacre

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-19/city-of-stirling-to-consider-name-change-for-traditional-owners/100150288

Cue cries of cancel culture.

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Date: 20/05/2021 12:39:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1740386
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

One of Perth’s biggest councils, named after Western Australia’s first governor Sir James Stirling, is set to consider changing its name to better recognise the area’s traditional owners.

The council is named after WA’s first governor, Sir James Stirling

Records show he was involved in the 1834 Pinjarra massacre

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-19/city-of-stirling-to-consider-name-change-for-traditional-owners/100150288

Cue cries of cancel culture.

The cancer of council cancel culture.

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Date: 20/05/2021 12:51:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1740388
Subject: re: Aust Politics

What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

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Date: 20/05/2021 12:57:18
From: dv
ID: 1740393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

plenty of goat meat (which is not bad IME)

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:17:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1740407
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

Don’t forget the pottage!

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:19:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1740409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

Don’t forget the pottage!

I think that comes from an old French root.

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:19:37
From: dv
ID: 1740411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

Don’t forget the pottage!

Jonah was on the menu

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:20:01
From: Michael V
ID: 1740412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

plenty of goat meat (which is not bad IME)

I like goat meat, too. Interestingly, in Jamaica, it’s called mutton (pronounced to rhyme with “put on”).

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:20:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1740413
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

I think that comes from an old French root.

no, i’ll let that straight line go through to the keeper.

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:22:29
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1740416
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I think we need to bring this back on topic.
Jenny would probably love pottage.

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:23:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1740420
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I think we need to bring this back on topic.
Jenny would probably love pottage.

Being married to Mr Popularity, she’d be quite used to messes.

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:24:19
From: Tamb
ID: 1740421
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

Don’t forget the pottage!


That makes a mess.

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:24:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1740422
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

What about a Biblical Diet taken only from food mentioned in the Bible.
A little book full of biblical recipes, it would sell like hot cakes.
Bread
Fish
Olives
Grapes
Dates
Figs
Salt
etc

Don’t forget the pottage!

Nor the wine!

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:56:40
From: Michael V
ID: 1740445
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A $600 M gas-fired power plant is proposed, to buy a parliamentary seat.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/international-energy-agency-report-shift-gas-coal-government/100150296

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Date: 20/05/2021 13:58:49
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1740450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


A $600 M gas-fired power plant is proposed, to buy a parliamentary seat.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/international-energy-agency-report-shift-gas-coal-government/100150296

As I mentioned elsewhere, that’s good value.

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Date: 20/05/2021 14:01:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1740460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

surely corruption coal is a better deal

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Date: 20/05/2021 14:09:04
From: sibeen
ID: 1740473
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dark Orange said:


Michael V said:

A $600 M gas-fired power plant is proposed, to buy a parliamentary seat.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/international-energy-agency-report-shift-gas-coal-government/100150296

As I mentioned elsewhere, that’s good value.

Excellent. Telstra will be able to provide about 30 MW this evening by using their spiffy really reaaallly clean diesel generators and be able to get paid about $15k per MWhr for doing so. Make a million dollars pure profit in a few hours. Money for old rope really.

We definitely don’t need any of these transitional power stations to move away from coal; no sirree.

Damn, there’s no wind.

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Date: 20/05/2021 14:13:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1740475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

¡ imagine how much more diesel could have been used if they’d had the foresight 10 years ago to build more of those generators and the supporting infrastructure !

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:16:47
From: dv
ID: 1740784
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:18:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1740787
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

Maybe they all have to be, these days.

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:22:58
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1740794
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

newsflash… members of an organisation that champion out moded gender roles behave in out moded ways towards members of (the) other gender(s).

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:24:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1740797
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

Uh-oh.

He’ll likely get off scot-free.

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:26:06
From: sibeen
ID: 1740799
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

Uh-oh.

He’ll likely get off scot-free.

hehehehehe

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:27:03
From: party_pants
ID: 1740801
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

Excellent. I look forward to tarring them all with the same brush.

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:30:02
From: dv
ID: 1740805
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

Uh-oh.

He’ll likely get off scot-free.

I see what you did there

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Date: 21/05/2021 11:38:34
From: Rule 303
ID: 1740811
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


dv said:

Jeeves, fetch my finest clutching-pearls. It has emerged that the Liberal party staffer acccused of rape and harrassment by four women is in Hillsong.

Uh-oh.

He’ll likely get off scot-free.

You should probably regard that as pinched.

Hehe.

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:32:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740914
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:34:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1740920
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

I agree with Barnaby on this topic.

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:43:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740924
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

I agree with Barnaby on this topic.

Which is do nothing.

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:45:32
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740926
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

I agree with Barnaby on this topic.

Which is do nothing.

Barnaby’s putting in a good effort for diplomacy.

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:48:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1740928
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

I agree with Barnaby on this topic.

Which is do nothing.

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:52:39
From: sibeen
ID: 1740930
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

I agree with Barnaby on this topic.

Which is do nothing.

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

+1

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:57:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1740933
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Which is do nothing.

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

+1

Was anyone actually on the government’s back to get involved, or did Barnaby just fancy getting his mug in the media again?

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Date: 21/05/2021 14:58:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1740934
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

I agree with Barnaby on this topic.

Which is do nothing.

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

We’ll we could just send some advisers yeah………………then some observers…………………and later some special forces to protect infrastructure………………..and definatly no conscripts……well certainly not to begin with…………….

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:00:00
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740937
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

+1

Was anyone actually on the government’s back to get involved, or did Barnaby just fancy getting his mug in the media again?

It would be the latter.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:02:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1740939
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

+1

Was anyone actually on the government’s back to get involved, or did Barnaby just fancy getting his mug in the media again?

It would be the latter.

Luke rattled his cage a bit.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:04:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1740940
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

+1

Was anyone actually on the government’s back to get involved, or did Barnaby just fancy getting his mug in the media again?

He was a guest on a popular television program wherein a panel discuss the topics of the day. He was asked.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:09:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740941
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

+1

Was anyone actually on the government’s back to get involved, or did Barnaby just fancy getting his mug in the media again?

He was a guest on a popular television program wherein a panel discuss the topics of the day. He was asked.

I bet a pre phone call was made and what to be discussed was talked about.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:18:50
From: transition
ID: 1740942
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

be plenty data from that exercise, from the missile defense system and bombings, they be analyzing all that, considering a few tweaks and extra purchases for any next occasion, after this quelling

doubt the initiators of the fireworks seriously found the saturation level of the defense system/s, nice try though

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:22:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1740945
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

I agree with Barnaby on this topic.

Which is do nothing.

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

Express our dismay, offer to help mediate if mediation is desired, but other than that, what could Australia do?

Bomb Tel Aviv?

Invade the Gaza Strip from the sea?

Take Jewish Australians as hostages?

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:25:53
From: party_pants
ID: 1740946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

be plenty data from that exercise, from the missile defense system and bombings, they be analyzing all that, considering a few tweaks and extra purchases for any next occasion, after this quelling

doubt the initiators of the fireworks seriously found the saturation level of the defense system/s, nice try though

As far as Hamas goes the more lopsided the body count the better. Hamas are a terrorist outfit run by the criminally insane. They run an ideology of perpetual war and rely on fear, hate and violence to sustain their own existence, along with a victim mentality. A lop-sided body count after a conflict is what they are after, it sustains them and perpetuates their organisation for another few years with a whole new bunch of recruits. They fear peace because peace will take away their relevance.

The Israelis for their part keep the body count like a football score. They keep giving Hamas exactly what they want. Such is the vile ideology of Hamas they rejoice in inciting conflicting and triggering masacres, but the Israelis are blind to this and keep thinking they can win by intimidation.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:28:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740947
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Which is do nothing.

Yep. Stay the fuck out of it, let them sort out their own mess.

Express our dismay, offer to help mediate if mediation is desired, but other than that, what could Australia do?

Bomb Tel Aviv?

Invade the Gaza Strip from the sea?

Take Jewish Australians as hostages?

The options are not many.

1 Stay there and work things out.

2 Move Israel somewhere else.

4 Move Palestine somewhere else.

5 Educate both sides that there is no evidence of God so fighting over it is nonsense.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:30:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740948
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

be plenty data from that exercise, from the missile defense system and bombings, they be analyzing all that, considering a few tweaks and extra purchases for any next occasion, after this quelling

doubt the initiators of the fireworks seriously found the saturation level of the defense system/s, nice try though

As far as Hamas goes the more lopsided the body count the better. Hamas are a terrorist outfit run by the criminally insane. They run an ideology of perpetual war and rely on fear, hate and violence to sustain their own existence, along with a victim mentality. A lop-sided body count after a conflict is what they are after, it sustains them and perpetuates their organisation for another few years with a whole new bunch of recruits. They fear peace because peace will take away their relevance.

The Israelis for their part keep the body count like a football score. They keep giving Hamas exactly what they want. Such is the vile ideology of Hamas they rejoice in inciting conflicting and triggering masacres, but the Israelis are blind to this and keep thinking they can win by intimidation.

Palestine needs a new government without the terrorist organisations being involved.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:34:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1740949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


party_pants said:

transition said:

be plenty data from that exercise, from the missile defense system and bombings, they be analyzing all that, considering a few tweaks and extra purchases for any next occasion, after this quelling

doubt the initiators of the fireworks seriously found the saturation level of the defense system/s, nice try though

As far as Hamas goes the more lopsided the body count the better. Hamas are a terrorist outfit run by the criminally insane. They run an ideology of perpetual war and rely on fear, hate and violence to sustain their own existence, along with a victim mentality. A lop-sided body count after a conflict is what they are after, it sustains them and perpetuates their organisation for another few years with a whole new bunch of recruits. They fear peace because peace will take away their relevance.

The Israelis for their part keep the body count like a football score. They keep giving Hamas exactly what they want. Such is the vile ideology of Hamas they rejoice in inciting conflicting and triggering masacres, but the Israelis are blind to this and keep thinking they can win by intimidation.

Palestine needs a new government without the terrorist organisations being involved.

They lost the elections. Palestine have pretty much split between the West Bank and Gaza, with Hamas controlling the smaller Gaza area. They are only relevant because they are violent. The trouble started in the West Bank which is not under their control, but they used it as an excuse to inject themselves into the scene – and suddenly it was all about them.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:39:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1740950
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

As far as Hamas goes the more lopsided the body count the better. Hamas are a terrorist outfit run by the criminally insane. They run an ideology of perpetual war and rely on fear, hate and violence to sustain their own existence, along with a victim mentality. A lop-sided body count after a conflict is what they are after, it sustains them and perpetuates their organisation for another few years with a whole new bunch of recruits. They fear peace because peace will take away their relevance.

The Israelis for their part keep the body count like a football score. They keep giving Hamas exactly what they want. Such is the vile ideology of Hamas they rejoice in inciting conflicting and triggering masacres, but the Israelis are blind to this and keep thinking they can win by intimidation.

Hamas is part of the war-as-an-industry scene.

It’s one of those groups which exist ostensibly as some sort of freedom front, and may have had origins as such, but has evolved over the years into a company of sorts, which can, as you say, exist only in circumstances of conflict, strife, and violence.

The conflict and violence prevents the emergence of any stable and structured society or economy which might offer an alternative to the autocracy that Hamas exercises. As long as the fighting continues, Hamas is the only outfit that has a shot at running things, or which Hamas will permit to exist.

As it’s got the only game in town, Hamas is able to control a lot of the economy of the place. If Hamas doesn’t own, operate, and profit directly from something (and it owns, operates, and profits from a lot of things), then a business or service can only operate as long as Hamas permits it to and as long as it pays off Hamas.

It’s a conglomerate enterprise, and a protection racket. It’s not the first. The IRA evolved into much the same thing in Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:40:30
From: transition
ID: 1740951
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Barnaby Joyce tells Q+A Australia need not get involved in Israel, Gaza conflict
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/barnaby-joyce-israel-gaza-conflict-netanyahu-hamas-qa/100154512

Barnaby describes the issue as someone else’s turd.

“I don’t want to see someone else’s turd in my toilet and if you come to our country … flush it.”

Barnaby knows about flushing problems as Barnaby’s turds clog up every toilet he uses.

be plenty data from that exercise, from the missile defense system and bombings, they be analyzing all that, considering a few tweaks and extra purchases for any next occasion, after this quelling

doubt the initiators of the fireworks seriously found the saturation level of the defense system/s, nice try though

As far as Hamas goes the more lopsided the body count the better. Hamas are a terrorist outfit run by the criminally insane. They run an ideology of perpetual war and rely on fear, hate and violence to sustain their own existence, along with a victim mentality. A lop-sided body count after a conflict is what they are after, it sustains them and perpetuates their organisation for another few years with a whole new bunch of recruits. They fear peace because peace will take away their relevance.

The Israelis for their part keep the body count like a football score. They keep giving Hamas exactly what they want. Such is the vile ideology of Hamas they rejoice in inciting conflicting and triggering masacres, but the Israelis are blind to this and keep thinking they can win by intimidation.

it was foreseeable even to an outsider that the people initially meant to receive the many more rockets with explosives attached weren’t going to just look up and comment about how pretty they were, along with some casual chatter about the lovely noise they make when they land

anyway like I said, it makes good data to analyze, everything gets tested out in the field

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:42:41
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740952
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Americans under Truman had a hand in creating Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel

Creation of Israel, 1948

On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.

Thanks to the USA for creating such a long history of conflict.

The USA are a very war like Nation with a long history of creating internal conflict and external conflict.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:44:11
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740953
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

As far as Hamas goes the more lopsided the body count the better. Hamas are a terrorist outfit run by the criminally insane. They run an ideology of perpetual war and rely on fear, hate and violence to sustain their own existence, along with a victim mentality. A lop-sided body count after a conflict is what they are after, it sustains them and perpetuates their organisation for another few years with a whole new bunch of recruits. They fear peace because peace will take away their relevance.

The Israelis for their part keep the body count like a football score. They keep giving Hamas exactly what they want. Such is the vile ideology of Hamas they rejoice in inciting conflicting and triggering masacres, but the Israelis are blind to this and keep thinking they can win by intimidation.

Palestine needs a new government without the terrorist organisations being involved.

They lost the elections. Palestine have pretty much split between the West Bank and Gaza, with Hamas controlling the smaller Gaza area. They are only relevant because they are violent. The trouble started in the West Bank which is not under their control, but they used it as an excuse to inject themselves into the scene – and suddenly it was all about them.

Ok.

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:46:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1740954
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


party_pants said:

transition said:

be plenty data from that exercise, from the missile defense system and bombings, they be analyzing all that, considering a few tweaks and extra purchases for any next occasion, after this quelling

doubt the initiators of the fireworks seriously found the saturation level of the defense system/s, nice try though

As far as Hamas goes the more lopsided the body count the better. Hamas are a terrorist outfit run by the criminally insane. They run an ideology of perpetual war and rely on fear, hate and violence to sustain their own existence, along with a victim mentality. A lop-sided body count after a conflict is what they are after, it sustains them and perpetuates their organisation for another few years with a whole new bunch of recruits. They fear peace because peace will take away their relevance.

The Israelis for their part keep the body count like a football score. They keep giving Hamas exactly what they want. Such is the vile ideology of Hamas they rejoice in inciting conflicting and triggering masacres, but the Israelis are blind to this and keep thinking they can win by intimidation.

it was foreseeable even to an outsider that the people initially meant to receive the many more rockets with explosives attached weren’t going to just look up and comment about how pretty they were, along with some casual chatter about the lovely noise they make when they land

anyway like I said, it makes good data to analyze, everything gets tested out in the field

Yes its also become a on work in progress platform to test new weapons.

Or was it created for that purpose along with creating a new state?

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Date: 21/05/2021 15:49:03
From: party_pants
ID: 1740955
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tau.Neutrino said:

The options are not many.

1 Stay there and work things out.

2 Move Israel somewhere else.

4 Move Palestine somewhere else.

5 Educate both sides that there is no evidence of God so fighting over it is nonsense.

The problem with 2 and 4 (not sure what happened to 3) is that everywhere else is already taken. Anywhere large enough to sustain a population of a few million inhabitants with enough fresh water and arable land to sustain the population is already spoken for. It would mean just another wave of planting a new population and driving the current inhabitants into the sea or into the desert.

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Date: 21/05/2021 16:14:33
From: buffy
ID: 1740962
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

The options are not many.

1 Stay there and work things out.

2 Move Israel somewhere else.

4 Move Palestine somewhere else.

5 Educate both sides that there is no evidence of God so fighting over it is nonsense.

The problem with 2 and 4 (not sure what happened to 3) is that everywhere else is already taken. Anywhere large enough to sustain a population of a few million inhabitants with enough fresh water and arable land to sustain the population is already spoken for. It would mean just another wave of planting a new population and driving the current inhabitants into the sea or into the desert.

Which is actually pretty much what happened with the creation of Israel. That area wasn’t Terra Nullius any more than this continent was.

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Date: 22/05/2021 08:46:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1741290
Subject: re: Aust Politics

#ScottyFromDividingAustralia just said “people in a job are paying tax & people not in a job are being paid by taxpayers”. The election rhetoric has begun. Stay tuned for further divisive comments & remember we are a community who support each other in a range of ways. #auspol

https://twitter.com/FlickReynolds/status/1395559292959293441

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Date: 22/05/2021 08:48:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741292
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

#ScottyFromDividingAustralia just said “people in a job are paying tax & people not in a job are being paid by taxpayers”. The election rhetoric has begun. Stay tuned for further divisive comments & remember we are a community who support each other in a range of ways. #auspol

https://twitter.com/FlickReynolds/status/1395559292959293441

nn.

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Date: 22/05/2021 08:51:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1741294
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

#ScottyFromDividingAustralia just said “people in a job are paying tax & people not in a job are being paid by taxpayers”. The election rhetoric has begun. Stay tuned for further divisive comments & remember we are a community who support each other in a range of ways. #auspol

https://twitter.com/FlickReynolds/status/1395559292959293441

Divide and conquer.

Split the electorate into factions and camps, make some sectors into scapegoats, promote division and discord.

While they’re busy fighting each other, they won’t be questioning the government.

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Date: 22/05/2021 08:53:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1741298
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

#ScottyFromDividingAustralia just said “people in a job are paying tax & people not in a job are being paid by taxpayers”. The election rhetoric has begun. Stay tuned for further divisive comments & remember we are a community who support each other in a range of ways. #auspol

https://twitter.com/FlickReynolds/status/1395559292959293441

It’s the same rhetoric that was used in the 1930s.

Of course, it was the Jews then, not the unemployed.

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Date: 22/05/2021 08:53:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741299
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:
#ScottyFromDividingAustralia just said “people in a job are paying tax & people not in a job are being paid by taxpayers”. The election rhetoric has begun. Stay tuned for further divisive comments & remember we are a community who support each other in a range of ways. #auspol

https://twitter.com/FlickReynolds/status/1395559292959293441

Divide and conquer.

Split the electorate into factions and camps, make some sectors into scapegoats, promote division and discord.

While they’re busy fighting each other, they won’t be questioning the government.

And cut up the fabric of our society for the heck of it.

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Date: 22/05/2021 08:54:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1741301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:
#ScottyFromDividingAustralia just said “people in a job are paying tax & people not in a job are being paid by taxpayers”. The election rhetoric has begun. Stay tuned for further divisive comments & remember we are a community who support each other in a range of ways. #auspol

https://twitter.com/FlickReynolds/status/1395559292959293441

Divide and conquer.

Split the electorate into factions and camps, make some sectors into scapegoats, promote division and discord.

While they’re busy fighting each other, they won’t be questioning the government.

And cut up the fabric of our society for the heck of profit in it.

Fixed.

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Date: 22/05/2021 10:26:32
From: dv
ID: 1741334
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Coalition’s energy policy rooted in communist-style state control

Australia’s calamitous energy and climate policy is going from bad to worse with the government decision to build a $600m gas-fired power plant that will deter private investment.

John Kehoe Economics editor

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/energy-the-coalition-prefers-communist-style-state-control-to-markets-20210519-p57t4n

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Date: 22/05/2021 12:32:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1741389
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 22/05/2021 12:35:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1741393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:



I read that as “I did a Hobbit”.

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Date: 22/05/2021 13:38:41
From: dv
ID: 1741424
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:12:33
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



I’m glad I don’t live in the place where a majority of people vote for Dutton.

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:33:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1741440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Ha. :)
I’m sure she wasn’t the first in that but she was perhaps the first who suppported a vegetable into parliament?

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:37:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1741446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:


I’m glad I don’t live in the place where a majority of people vote for Dutton.

It could be unbearable.

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:47:02
From: Speedy
ID: 1741452
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:


I’m glad I don’t live in the place where a majority of people vote for Dutton.

It could be unbearable.

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:48:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1741454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Speedy said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m glad I don’t live in the place where a majority of people vote for Dutton.

It could be unbearable.

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

Yeah but if I lived there my tongue wouuld have huge chunks taken out from biting my tongue to stop discussing.

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:53:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1741457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Speedy said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m glad I don’t live in the place where a majority of people vote for Dutton.

It could be unbearable.

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

So where is the Bible Belt in ‘Straya?

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:54:05
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1741460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Speedy said:

roughbarked said:

It could be unbearable.

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

So where is the Bible Belt in ‘Straya?

Hill’s district in Sydney is one.

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:56:21
From: Speedy
ID: 1741461
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Speedy said:

roughbarked said:

It could be unbearable.

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

So where is the Bible Belt in ‘Straya?

I’m sure there’s one IN YOUR CAPITAL CITY too, but around here is the Sydney Hills district.

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Date: 22/05/2021 14:59:02
From: buffy
ID: 1741463
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Speedy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Speedy said:

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

So where is the Bible Belt in ‘Straya?

I’m sure there’s one IN YOUR CAPITAL CITY too, but around here is the Sydney Hills district.

There is a big pool of Lutherans in this district. Somewhat balance wish quite a lot of Catholics. And more recently, Brethren. But we are a bit light on happy clappers though.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:04:02
From: Speedy
ID: 1741466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Speedy said:

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

So where is the Bible Belt in ‘Straya?

Hill’s district in Sydney is one.

When half the soccer team’s parents are heading off to The Conference following the match (‘You know THE Conference? Hillsong? Right?’), complete with baby sitters for the rest of the weekend, I can confirm that that moment when you try to recall all the things you have discussed with these people is a little awkward.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:06:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The bible belt in Tassie is across the north of the state. Brethren to the right. Normalish hard core Christians to the left.

I live in what might be one of the more lefty places in the country and I’m good.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:13:28
From: dv
ID: 1741475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Successive Newspoll and Resolve Strategic polls both have Labor ahead federally, 51-49.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:19:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741481
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Successive Newspoll and Resolve Strategic polls both have Labor ahead federally, 51-49.

Still a lot of time to throw babies overboard.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:21:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1741485
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Successive Newspoll and Resolve Strategic polls both have Labor ahead federally, 51-49.

Still a lot of time to throw babies overboard.

But where’s Gladys going to find babies now? They’ll be counting votes soon in the upper Hunter.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:22:38
From: dv
ID: 1741486
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Speedy said:

roughbarked said:

It could be unbearable.

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

So where is the Bible Belt in ‘Straya?

It’s what keeps Barnaby’s pants up

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:23:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1741488
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Speedy said:

In my area almost 70% of votes go to the Libs for all levels of government. Living in the bible belt, the ‘never discuss politics or religion’ advice is very useful.

So where is the Bible Belt in ‘Straya?

It’s what keeps Barnaby’s pants up

Looks like he takes it off often enough.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:31:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741491
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The bible belt in Tassie is across the north of the state. Brethren to the right. Normalish hard core Christians to the left.

I live in what might be one of the more lefty places in the country and I’m good.

When they start to count in this electorate it always seem very left as the regionals come in. And then the boxes comes in from the Dutch reformists.

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Date: 22/05/2021 15:33:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1741493
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

The bible belt in Tassie is across the north of the state. Brethren to the right. Normalish hard core Christians to the left.

I live in what might be one of the more lefty places in the country and I’m good.

When they start to count in this electorate it always seem very left as the regionals come in. And then the boxes comes in from the Dutch reformists.

One would have hoped that being reformed from Dutch would have helped?

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Date: 22/05/2021 21:52:20
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Bulletin
16 mins ·
THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IN THE SACKING OF MORRISON FROM TOURISM AUSTRALIA
For 14 years the reason for the sacking has remained one of the best kept secrets in Parliament. Now, FoI documents accessed by Jommy Tee reveal the PM either lied about a critical probity report, or numerous government departments and agencies are so incompetent that all of them – together, coincidentally, jointly and severally – lost it.
For 14 years the reason for the sacking has remained one of the best kept secrets in Parliament, with the Liberal tourism minister at the time, Fran Bailey, never revealing what led to the sacking of the man who went on to become Prime Minister of Australia.
There has been considerable conjecture, but it is clear that the lack of transparency and accountability surrounding the $180 million tourism campaign – the oft-ridiculed “So where the bloody hell are you?” – and the awarding of a contract to M&C Saatchi played a key part.
The campaign’s tender process was heavily criticised by the advertising industry, with players bemoaning that the tender criteria were skewed towards a particular agency.
Following repeated calls by the opposition for more probity, word leaked to the media that KPMG had been called in to conduct a “probity audit”. The Age declared that KPMG had been hauled in to “give an impression that the selection criteria is kosher”.
No media release announcing KPMG’s appointment as probity auditor exists in the archived websites of Tourism Australia, the department of industry, and that of the minister, Fran Bailey.
However, the plot has thickened considerably with FoI documents obtained this week by Michael West Media revealing that the probity report supposedly conducted by KPMG, a report that Scott Morrison repeatedly used to shield himself from attacks over the awarding of the $180 million contracts, cannot be found anywhere.
Moreover, Tourism Australia was unable to find any emails, briefings or tender documentation associated with a probity audit into the M&C Saatchi contract.
What Morrison told the Senate.
Morrison, in his role as managing director of Tourism Australia, told Senate estimates on 2 November 2005 that the KPMG probity audit was “an internal document that has been provided to our Board. I am sure there are the usual provisions for making requests for those types of documents”.
Morrison said he would take on notice the request to provide the report – subsequently, he said that the “report is considered commercial in confidence”.
The same month, the Senate committee looking into government advertising also requested Tourism Australia table the KPMG report.
Tourism Australia on 25 November 2005 responded: “Tourism Australia requested internal auditors, KPMG, to undertake a review of the tender evaluation process to assist the Board with their review of the recommendation to be received from management. The report is considered to be commercial in confidence.”
Michael West Media contacted KPMG and numerous government agencies to hunt down the mysterious probity report, but it simply cannot be found.
This leaves us with two possibilities.
1. Numerous government agencies and departmental officials either misplaced, lost, misfiled or destroyed this key document associated with the $180 million advertising spend of taxpayers’ money;
or
2. The document never existed and Scott Morrison concocted its existence, thereby lying to Senate estimates and a Senate inquiry – more than justifiable grounds to explain his shock sacking.
\
The search for the probity report.
KPMG advised Michael West Media that it did not comment on “client deliverables”. However, it added: “This reference goes back many years and while we can confirm we have provided services to Tourism Australia, we cannot confirm we completed the report.”
KPMG advised Michael West Media to approach Tourism Australia.
Michael West Media then lodged numerous freedom of information (FoI) requests with government departments seeking access to the probity report.
Tourism Australia.
Tourism Australia advised that no probity audit document could be located. The agency advised it was “satisfied that there were no documents within the scope of your request in the possession of Tourism Australia”.
Tourism Australia even contacted the National Archives of Australia, which confirmed that no such document existed in its archives.
A subsequent FoI seeking all briefings, emails and tender documentation associated with the probity audit drew further blanks. The only records that Tourism Australia found dealt with KPMG’s appointment in February 2005 as Tourism Australia’s internal auditors for a 12-month period, and that the board of Tourism Australia was informed of the appointment in April 2005.
Department of Industry.
The industry department, after a thorough search, refused our FoI request on the basis that document could not be found.
The Minister puts her foot down.
The M&C Saatchi contract term was for three years but it had to be reviewed annually.
Tourism Australia’s tender process fell behind schedule, meaning that by the time it was finalised, the minister, Fran Bailey, was virtually shoe-horned into signing off on the first tranche of the contract. If she had not done so, Tourism Australia would have had no international marketing presence in 2005-06.
Due to the significant criticism surrounding the awarding of the contract, Bailey demanded greater accountability for the second tranche of negotiations. She wrote a blistering letter to Tourism Australia on 29 June 2006 seeking reassurance and copies of any internal assessments:
“I need to be reassured that the taxpayer is receiving value for money with these substantial investments. I understand that an internal evaluation of performance is under way at the moment, but will not be complete until mid-July.
I also understand that no independent evaluation has yet been undertaken. In order for me to make a properly informed decision on these contracts for the full 2006-07 financial year, I request Tourism Australia provide me, by 31 August 2006, with:

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Date: 22/05/2021 21:53:14
From: dv
ID: 1741652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

It appears the Nats will retain Upper Hunter

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Date: 22/05/2021 22:09:43
From: party_pants
ID: 1741653
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


It appears the Nats will retain Upper Hunter

hardly seems worth all the shouting.

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Date: 22/05/2021 22:32:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1741666
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

This leaves us with two possibilities.
1. Numerous government agencies and departmental officials either misplaced, lost, misfiled or destroyed this key document associated with the $180 million advertising spend of taxpayers’ money;
or
2. The document never existed and Scott Morrison concocted its existence, thereby lying to Senate estimates and a Senate inquiry – more than justifiable grounds to explain his shock sacking.

It should never be forgotten that Morrison is only PM by default.

Intended as a stalking horse for Tony Abbott in the leadership challenge which ousted Malcolm Turnbull (as it was considered too gauche even by L/NP standards that Abbott directly challenge the man who had got him kicked off the high chair), Morrison was seen as a compliant and unimportant little skiver and dodger who would happily fill the role until the coming election.He had enough skeletons in his cupboard to ensure his co-operation, which made him a good pick for the task.

After that, (win, lose, or draw) and a suitably ‘decent’ interval, Morrison would be displaced from the leadership, happily accepting the top-shelf pension package to go off and see what else he could bugger up. Abbott could then resume his ‘rightful’ place at the helm, and he and Peta Credlin could exact a most terrible revenge on those who they felt had betrayed them.

Unfortunately, Abbott committed the dreadful faux pas of losing his seat at the election, and Morrison remains as PM ever since.

Not because he’s any good at it at all, but, f*** me dead, just consider what alternatives to him are available. The Liberal party power brokers sure have, and so far, total dud that he is, Morrison is still the best horse in the field.

Which is not saying much at all.

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Date: 22/05/2021 22:37:31
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1741671
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

This leaves us with two possibilities.
1. Numerous government agencies and departmental officials either misplaced, lost, misfiled or destroyed this key document associated with the $180 million advertising spend of taxpayers’ money;
or
2. The document never existed and Scott Morrison concocted its existence, thereby lying to Senate estimates and a Senate inquiry – more than justifiable grounds to explain his shock sacking.

It should never be forgotten that Morrison is only PM by default.

Intended as a stalking horse for Tony Abbott in the leadership challenge which ousted Malcolm Turnbull (as it was considered too gauche even by L/NP standards that Abbott directly challenge the man who had got him kicked off the high chair), Morrison was seen as a compliant and unimportant little skiver and dodger who would happily fill the role until the coming election.He had enough skeletons in his cupboard to ensure his co-operation, which made him a good pick for the task.

After that, (win, lose, or draw) and a suitably ‘decent’ interval, Morrison would be displaced from the leadership, happily accepting the top-shelf pension package to go off and see what else he could bugger up. Abbott could then resume his ‘rightful’ place at the helm, and he and Peta Credlin could exact a most terrible revenge on those who they felt had betrayed them.

Unfortunately, Abbott committed the dreadful faux pas of losing his seat at the election, and Morrison remains as PM ever since.

Not because he’s any good at it at all, but, f*** me dead, just consider what alternatives to him are available. The Liberal party power brokers sure have, and so far, total dud that he is, Morrison is still the best horse in the field.

Which is not saying much at all.

This little theory of yours falls flat if you consider that the very people who you claim wanted to see Abbott as PM again were the ones who toppled him in the first place.

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Date: 22/05/2021 22:38:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1741672
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

This leaves us with two possibilities.
1. Numerous government agencies and departmental officials either misplaced, lost, misfiled or destroyed this key document associated with the $180 million advertising spend of taxpayers’ money;
or
2. The document never existed and Scott Morrison concocted its existence, thereby lying to Senate estimates and a Senate inquiry – more than justifiable grounds to explain his shock sacking.

It should never be forgotten that Morrison is only PM by default.

Intended as a stalking horse for Tony Abbott in the leadership challenge which ousted Malcolm Turnbull (as it was considered too gauche even by L/NP standards that Abbott directly challenge the man who had got him kicked off the high chair), Morrison was seen as a compliant and unimportant little skiver and dodger who would happily fill the role until the coming election.He had enough skeletons in his cupboard to ensure his co-operation, which made him a good pick for the task.

After that, (win, lose, or draw) and a suitably ‘decent’ interval, Morrison would be displaced from the leadership, happily accepting the top-shelf pension package to go off and see what else he could bugger up. Abbott could then resume his ‘rightful’ place at the helm, and he and Peta Credlin could exact a most terrible revenge on those who they felt had betrayed them.

Unfortunately, Abbott committed the dreadful faux pas of losing his seat at the election, and Morrison remains as PM ever since.

Not because he’s any good at it at all, but, f*** me dead, just consider what alternatives to him are available. The Liberal party power brokers sure have, and so far, total dud that he is, Morrison is still the best horse in the field.

Which is not saying much at all.

Morrison’s pre selection was sus.

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Date: 22/05/2021 22:41:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1741674
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:

This little theory of yours falls flat if you consider that the very people who you claim wanted to see Abbott as PM again were the ones who toppled him in the first place.

There were those that Abbott knew he could not count as being in his camp. They were already effectively dead to him.

There were also those who Abbott believed would support him against Turnbull, but did not. They were the traitors, in his eyes.

As always, it came down to the swinging voters.

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Date: 22/05/2021 22:42:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1741676
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

This little theory of yours falls flat if you consider that the very people who you claim wanted to see Abbott as PM again were the ones who toppled him in the first place.

There were those that Abbott knew he could not count as being in his camp. They were already effectively dead to him.

There were also those who Abbott believed would support him against Turnbull, but did not. They were the traitors, in his eyes.

As always, it came down to the swinging voters.

Yeah nah.

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Date: 22/05/2021 23:24:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1741688
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Yeah nah.

People say it’s an Australian expression, but “yeah nah” actually originated with our Kiwi cousins.

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Date: 22/05/2021 23:25:20
From: sibeen
ID: 1741690
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah nah.

People say it’s an Australian expression, but “yeah nah” actually originated with our Kiwi cousins.

Cunts.

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Date: 22/05/2021 23:40:29
From: party_pants
ID: 1741693
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Quite amazing how fast these Formula 1 drivers can go around the streets of Monaco without clipping the walls.

It is a silly racetrack, well outgrown even a Formula 3 car in this day and age. But I have admire the skill of the drivers.

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Date: 22/05/2021 23:43:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1741694
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Quite amazing how fast these Formula 1 drivers can go around the streets of Monaco without clipping the walls.

It is a silly racetrack, well outgrown even a Formula 3 car in this day and age. But I have admire the skill of the drivers.

Fred Wong.

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Date: 22/05/2021 23:46:25
From: sibeen
ID: 1741696
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Quite amazing how fast these Formula 1 drivers can go around the streets of Monaco without clipping the walls.

It is a silly racetrack, well outgrown even a Formula 3 car in this day and age. But I have admire the skill of the drivers.

Danny Ricc for PM?

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Date: 22/05/2021 23:47:49
From: party_pants
ID: 1741698
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

Quite amazing how fast these Formula 1 drivers can go around the streets of Monaco without clipping the walls.

It is a silly racetrack, well outgrown even a Formula 3 car in this day and age. But I have admire the skill of the drivers.

Danny Ricc for PM?

Not today. He did rather poorly.

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Date: 23/05/2021 00:59:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1741711
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr Turnbull later tweeted his congratulations to the National Party, saying the result was a tribute to the Berejiklian government’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic.

you mean a tribute to some former corruption coalition prime minister moving to divide the protest votes

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Date: 23/05/2021 01:22:16
From: sibeen
ID: 1741712
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


bq. Mr Turnbull later tweeted his congratulations to the National Party, saying the result was a tribute to the Berejiklian government’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic.

you mean a tribute to some former corruption coalition prime minister moving to divide the protest votes

You really need some purple.

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Date: 23/05/2021 10:17:52
From: Ian
ID: 1741739
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 23/05/2021 20:23:48
From: dv
ID: 1742036
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 23/05/2021 20:26:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1742037
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



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Date: 24/05/2021 12:04:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742181
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:10:20
From: dv
ID: 1742183
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



Awesome

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:20:49
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1742187
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



Fuck Indue.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:22:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1742188
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:


Fuck Indue.

Would changing the government have a chance of doing that?

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:23:42
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1742189
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:


Fuck Indue.

Would changing the government have a chance of doing that?

The ALP has pledged at the very least to cease privatising the process.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:28:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742194
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:


Awesome

You can’t discriminate against people on so very many grounds, but you can still penalise them for being ‘poor’ and at the mercy of the government.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:30:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742197
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:


Awesome

You can’t discriminate against people on so very many grounds, but you can still penalise them for being ‘poor’ and at the mercy of the government.

Technically this discrimination is by postcode.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:31:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742199
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Awesome

You can’t discriminate against people on so very many grounds, but you can still penalise them for being ‘poor’ and at the mercy of the government.

Technically this discrimination is by postcode.

I bet that postcode 2030 isn’t suffering from Indue.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:33:47
From: party_pants
ID: 1742201
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:36:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742205
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

Why, in this age of instantaneous electronic funds transfer, does it still take days for some transaction (e.g. cheques) to ‘clear’ at the bank?

Because while it’s in limbo, it’s not the payer’s money (it disappeared out their account very quickly) and it’s not the payee’s (waiting ever so patiently for it to appear in their account).

It’s the bank’s money, and it goes into a big pool of money on which the bank earns interest for the days that it goes ‘missing’.

Same for Indue.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:38:08
From: dv
ID: 1742207
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

Well obviously it’s not because the Libs are monstrously cruel and incompetent

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:42:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

The problem on failure to rent is an Indue problem. It doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Basics card. The Basics card is run by some Aus credit unions. Indue is run off shore by Western Union. In the odd cases where someone has achieved getting an extra cash advance from Indue banks have charged an overseas process charge which is sometimes enough to put the account into debit and cause extra fees.

Indue has a problem with rent cycles. It wants to pay the rent monthly?

Also every now and then Indue resets the rent payment to nothing. No one knows why they do this.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:42:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742212
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

Why, in this age of instantaneous electronic funds transfer, does it still take days for some transaction (e.g. cheques) to ‘clear’ at the bank?

Because while it’s in limbo, it’s not the payer’s money (it disappeared out their account very quickly) and it’s not the payee’s (waiting ever so patiently for it to appear in their account).

It’s the bank’s money, and it goes into a big pool of money on which the bank earns interest for the days that it goes ‘missing’.

Same for Indue.

You can make a lot of money on the overnight money market.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:45:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742214
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

Why, in this age of instantaneous electronic funds transfer, does it still take days for some transaction (e.g. cheques) to ‘clear’ at the bank?

Because while it’s in limbo, it’s not the payer’s money (it disappeared out their account very quickly) and it’s not the payee’s (waiting ever so patiently for it to appear in their account).

It’s the bank’s money, and it goes into a big pool of money on which the bank earns interest for the days that it goes ‘missing’.

Same for Indue.

You can make a lot of money on the overnight money market.

And 80% of each payment is given to Indue to decide what to do. Indue has more right to the money than the recipient.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:46:06
From: party_pants
ID: 1742216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

The problem on failure to rent is an Indue problem. It doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Basics card. The Basics card is run by some Aus credit unions. Indue is run off shore by Western Union. In the odd cases where someone has achieved getting an extra cash advance from Indue banks have charged an overseas process charge which is sometimes enough to put the account into debit and cause extra fees.

Indue has a problem with rent cycles. It wants to pay the rent monthly?

Also every now and then Indue resets the rent payment to nothing. No one knows why they do this.

Then they should be told to fuck right off because they are not good enough.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:48:17
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1742219
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

The problem on failure to rent is an Indue problem. It doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Basics card. The Basics card is run by some Aus credit unions. Indue is run off shore by Western Union. In the odd cases where someone has achieved getting an extra cash advance from Indue banks have charged an overseas process charge which is sometimes enough to put the account into debit and cause extra fees.

Indue has a problem with rent cycles. It wants to pay the rent monthly?

Also every now and then Indue resets the rent payment to nothing. No one knows why they do this.

Then they should be told to fuck right off because they are not good enough.

They’re being told to fuck right off but unfortunately the people telling them don’t have any power.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:51:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742220
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

Why, in this age of instantaneous electronic funds transfer, does it still take days for some transaction (e.g. cheques) to ‘clear’ at the bank?

Because while it’s in limbo, it’s not the payer’s money (it disappeared out their account very quickly) and it’s not the payee’s (waiting ever so patiently for it to appear in their account).

It’s the bank’s money, and it goes into a big pool of money on which the bank earns interest for the days that it goes ‘missing’.

Same for Indue.

You can make a lot of money on the overnight money market.

With Osko banking system, payments are now done the same day. usually within minutes.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:55:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742224
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:

With Osko banking system, payments are now done the same day. usually within minutes.

Is Indue using that system?

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:59:33
From: party_pants
ID: 1742226
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

Why, in this age of instantaneous electronic funds transfer, does it still take days for some transaction (e.g. cheques) to ‘clear’ at the bank?

Because while it’s in limbo, it’s not the payer’s money (it disappeared out their account very quickly) and it’s not the payee’s (waiting ever so patiently for it to appear in their account).

It’s the bank’s money, and it goes into a big pool of money on which the bank earns interest for the days that it goes ‘missing’.

Same for Indue.

it used to be the case that there was a meeting of bank officials late at night at the end of every working day, where they would physically hand over reels of computer tapes containing bank-to-bank transactions. These would be taken back to the computer labs and run overnight to process all of the transactions. For cheques, the physical cheques had to be handed over and checked and verified by the issuing bank before being cleared. I am not sure what happens in modern times.

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Date: 24/05/2021 12:59:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742227
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

With Osko banking system, payments are now done the same day. usually within minutes.

Is Indue using that system?

I doubt they have even heard of it.

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Date: 24/05/2021 13:00:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

With Osko banking system, payments are now done the same day. usually within minutes.

Is Indue using that system?

I doubt they have even heard of it.

Hard to hear, when you’ve got your fingers in your ears.

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Date: 24/05/2021 13:02:47
From: Michael V
ID: 1742231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Why, in this age of instantaneous electronic funds transfer, does it still take days for some transaction (e.g. cheques) to ‘clear’ at the bank?

Because while it’s in limbo, it’s not the payer’s money (it disappeared out their account very quickly) and it’s not the payee’s (waiting ever so patiently for it to appear in their account).

It’s the bank’s money, and it goes into a big pool of money on which the bank earns interest for the days that it goes ‘missing’.

Same for Indue.

You can make a lot of money on the overnight money market.

And 80% of each payment is given to Indue to decide what to do. Indue has more right to the money than the recipient.

:(

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Date: 24/05/2021 13:03:46
From: Michael V
ID: 1742232
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

The problem on failure to rent is an Indue problem. It doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Basics card. The Basics card is run by some Aus credit unions. Indue is run off shore by Western Union. In the odd cases where someone has achieved getting an extra cash advance from Indue banks have charged an overseas process charge which is sometimes enough to put the account into debit and cause extra fees.

Indue has a problem with rent cycles. It wants to pay the rent monthly?

Also every now and then Indue resets the rent payment to nothing. No one knows why they do this.

Then they should be told to fuck right off because they are not good enough.

Laughs.

And who’s going to do that then?

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Date: 24/05/2021 13:13:43
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1742235
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Why is Indue so bad at processing these remarkably simple transactions which should be set up once and then done automatically from then on until a stop is issued? Banks were doing this already ion the early 1990s.

The “service” was not even tendered out, and there are no KPI’s. They fuck everything up and nobody gives a shit.

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Date: 25/05/2021 09:02:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742463
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.news.com.au/national/peter-duttons-office-was-tipped-off-about-brittany-higgins-allegations-in-october-2019/news-story/cd6505cfb4b70b43dfc498d07bc95b31

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Date: 25/05/2021 11:34:36
From: dv
ID: 1742540
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Former WA Liberal treasurer Troy Buswell repeatedly assaulted former partner during relationship, court hears

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/former-wa-treasurer-troy-buswell-in-perth-magistrates-court/100159712

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:08:41
From: dv
ID: 1742558
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:15:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742568
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

I said that way back then when Higgins went public.If he didn’t know he wasn’t doing his job.

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:20:12
From: Cymek
ID: 1742573
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

I said that way back then when Higgins went public.If he didn’t know he wasn’t doing his job.

I could believe the entire incident would be covered up and actually considered embarrassing and the victim considered irrelevant and forced to keep quiet, which is exactly what seems to have happened.

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:41:23
From: transition
ID: 1742586
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

alleged, is the word i’d use, for the moment

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:42:55
From: party_pants
ID: 1742587
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

alleged, is the word i’d use, for the moment

“alleged Home Security Minister” is a bit unnecessary.

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:44:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742588
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

dv said:

Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

alleged, is the word i’d use, for the moment

“alleged Home Security Minister” is a bit unnecessary.

Peter Dutton is unnecessary.

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:44:19
From: Woodie
ID: 1742589
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

So since when does “opined that it is not believable that such information would not have been passed on” = “confirmed”?

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Date: 25/05/2021 12:44:25
From: transition
ID: 1742590
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


transition said:

dv said:

Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

alleged, is the word i’d use, for the moment

“alleged Home Security Minister” is a bit unnecessary.

you know what I meant, regard process, due process

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:35:14
From: dv
ID: 1742600
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


dv said:

Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

alleged, is the word i’d use, for the moment

Pardon me. Alleged Minister.

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:35:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742601
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:

dv said:


Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

So since when does “opined that it is not believable that such information would not have been passed on” = “confirmed”?

it is confirmed that his office was informed but not that it was passed on. it is the second bit that is being “opined” about whether or not is believable.

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:36:29
From: dv
ID: 1742602
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:

dv said:


Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

So since when does “opined that it is not believable that such information would not have been passed on” = “confirmed”?

I don’t understand your point.

The confirmation occurred.
Clare’s opinion about what that confirmation implies is quite separate.

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:41:16
From: dv
ID: 1742605
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Per ABC radio news

It has now been confirmed that Dutton’s office was informed about the Higgins rape in 2019. Earlier this year Dutton claimed he only learned about the rape this year. ALP MP Jason Clare has opined that it not believable that such important information would not have been passed on to the then Home Security Minister.

I said that way back then when Higgins went public.If he didn’t know he wasn’t doing his job.

You’re always well ahead of Labor.

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:57:55
From: dv
ID: 1742622
Subject: re: Aust Politics

How about this, did I post this?

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:58:19
From: dv
ID: 1742623
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:59:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1742625
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



You posted that within the last few of days.

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Date: 25/05/2021 13:59:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1742626
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


How about this, did I post this?

Yes. Early onset dementia is a terrible thing.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:00:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742627
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



https://www.alzheimerswa.org.au/our-services/carer-support-groups

HTH

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:00:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742630
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

How about this, did I post this?

Yes. Early onset dementia is a terrible thing.

Snap.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:01:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1742631
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



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Date: 25/05/2021 14:01:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:



https://www.alzheimerswa.org.au/our-services/carer-support-groups

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:02:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742634
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Well if we are visiting the past

My earliest memories are from Eltham (London SE9).
Including starting school and walking to and from Saturday morning pictures at the Odeon.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:02:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1742635
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:



PWM posted that in response, too.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:03:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1742638
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:


Well if we are visiting the past

My earliest memories are from Eltham (London SE9).
Including starting school and walking to and from Saturday morning pictures at the Odeon.

Can you remember which films you saw in those days?

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:03:40
From: dv
ID: 1742639
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:



In fairness though … part of the blame lies with the ALP for not compromising with Turnbull to pass his emissions legislation.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:03:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1742640
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:


Well if we are visiting the past

My earliest memories are from Eltham (London SE9).
Including starting school and walking to and from Saturday morning pictures at the Odeon.

Just about every town in the world had an Odeon.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:05:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742644
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Well if we are visiting the past

My earliest memories are from Eltham (London SE9).
Including starting school and walking to and from Saturday morning pictures at the Odeon.

Can you remember which films you saw in those days?

I’ll have to think about it.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:05:54
From: dv
ID: 1742645
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:06:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742648
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Well if we are visiting the past

My earliest memories are from Eltham (London SE9).
Including starting school and walking to and from Saturday morning pictures at the Odeon.

Just about every town in the world had an Odeon.

Yeah, but not like the Eltham Odeon.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:06:13
From: buffy
ID: 1742649
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

How about this, did I post this?

Yes. Early onset dementia is a terrible thing.

Snap.

Damn, I was still catching up.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:06:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1742650
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:



In fairness though … part of the blame lies with the ALP for not compromising with Turnbull to pass his emissions legislation.

And then we had the great climate change election of 2019.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:07:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well if we are visiting the past

My earliest memories are from Eltham (London SE9).
Including starting school and walking to and from Saturday morning pictures at the Odeon.

Can you remember which films you saw in those days?

I’ll have to think about it.

I remember seeing ‘Breakfast at Tiffany’s’ at the cinema with my sister, unaccompanied by parents. I can’t have been more than 7.

Fell in love with Audrey Hepburn.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:09:02
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1742652
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:


In fairness though … part of the blame lies with the ALP for not compromising with Turnbull to pass his emissions legislation.

And then we had the great climate change election of 2019.

and people voted for trump.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:10:07
From: dv
ID: 1742654
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:


In fairness though … part of the blame lies with the ALP for not compromising with Turnbull to pass his emissions legislation.

And then we had the great climate change election of 2019.

Folks sure are ornery

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:11:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742656
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well if we are visiting the past

My earliest memories are from Eltham (London SE9).
Including starting school and walking to and from Saturday morning pictures at the Odeon.

Just about every town in the world had an Odeon.

Yeah, but not like the Eltham Odeon.

Now I’m confused. It seems the Eltham Odeon was actually the Eltham Gaumont:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14991

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:13:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1742658
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just about every town in the world had an Odeon.

Yeah, but not like the Eltham Odeon.

Now I’m confused. It seems the Eltham Odeon was actually the Eltham Gaumont:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14991

It’s all right, Rev, you just take it easy.

I think it’s best if the Rev. has a little rest now, everyone.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:14:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1742660
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just about every town in the world had an Odeon.

Yeah, but not like the Eltham Odeon.

Now I’m confused. It seems the Eltham Odeon was actually the Eltham Gaumont:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14991

I think an Odeon is mentioned in Whitsunday Wedding

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:14:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ms Tame has criticised Senator Stoker several times in recent months, including for her support for commentator Bettina Arndt, who in 2017 published an interview with the man convicted of raping Ms Tame.

Senator Stoker – who is also Assistant Minister to the Attorney-General and Industrial Relations – previously called Ms Tame’s comments “utter nonsense”, claiming she had reached out to her in an Instagram message for a conversation.

In the podcast, Ms Tame again criticised Senator Stoker, saying she had “aligned herself with the commentator who gave my abuser a platform”.

“It’s not that I don’t want to sit down and put differences aside in necessary cases and work with people. But I believe that paedophilia is an absolute wrong, right? And if you don’t absolutely oppose it, you therefore condone it,” she said.

“She’s aligned herself with this person who’s enabled that sort of culture. And so I just, I don’t think that she’s the adequate person for the job.”

She also said the Senator’s Instagram message had been “lost” in her inbox.

“She’s also gone to the media and complained because she’s sent me Instagram direct, or direct messages, even though I don’t follow her. So they’ve gotten swept into the … I’m not joking, thousands. I just can’t go through them all,” Ms Tame said.

“She said that she reached out to me on Instagram, which I think is a little bit like … ‘I sat in a room and thought about you. Why haven’t you reached out?’.”
Liberal senator Amanda Stoker. Photo: AAP

Senator Stoker told The New Daily she would like to meet with Ms Tame face-to-face for a chat on their “common goals”.

“My invitation to meet with Ms Tame remains open,” she told TND.

“I would welcome the opportunity to hear her concerns and work towards common goals. I believe a direct discussion between the two of us will be far more effective than one had through the press gallery.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/05/24/grace-tame-morrison-stoker/
——

I remember getting berated at uni once for sending some stuff to one of my supervisors through a facebook message.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:15:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742662
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yeah, but not like the Eltham Odeon.

Now I’m confused. It seems the Eltham Odeon was actually the Eltham Gaumont:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14991

It’s all right, Rev, you just take it easy.

I think it’s best if the Rev. has a little rest now, everyone.

If only dv and I lived a bit closer we could go and offer each other mutual support.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:17:18
From: buffy
ID: 1742665
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Now I’m confused. It seems the Eltham Odeon was actually the Eltham Gaumont:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14991

It’s all right, Rev, you just take it easy.

I think it’s best if the Rev. has a little rest now, everyone.

If only dv and I lived a bit closer we could go and offer each other mutual support.

But who would remember when the meeting was to be?

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:19:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

It’s all right, Rev, you just take it easy.

I think it’s best if the Rev. has a little rest now, everyone.

If only dv and I lived a bit closer we could go and offer each other mutual support.

But who would remember when the meeting was to be?

Or who the hell the other old codger was.

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:19:45
From: sibeen
ID: 1742668
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just about every town in the world had an Odeon.

Yeah, but not like the Eltham Odeon.

Now I’m confused. It seems the Eltham Odeon was actually the Eltham Gaumont:
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14991

ROFL

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Date: 25/05/2021 14:20:32
From: buffy
ID: 1742670
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If only dv and I lived a bit closer we could go and offer each other mutual support.

But who would remember when the meeting was to be?

Or who the hell the other old codger was.

Or even why you were there?!

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Date: 25/05/2021 17:02:11
From: Rule 303
ID: 1742722
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Please take a moment to enjoy Friendly Jordy skewering Gladys.

Eyes Wide Shut Youtube video

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Date: 25/05/2021 18:06:03
From: Ian
ID: 1742734
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Rule 303 said:


Please take a moment to enjoy Friendly Jordy skewering Gladys.

Eyes Wide Shut Youtube video

Best way to watch fkn Gladys.

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Date: 25/05/2021 18:22:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742741
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ian said:


Rule 303 said:

Please take a moment to enjoy Friendly Jordy skewering Gladys.

Eyes Wide Shut Youtube video

Best way to watch fkn Gladys.

Doesn’t seem that friendly.

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Date: 25/05/2021 18:23:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742745
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Ian said:

Rule 303 said:

Please take a moment to enjoy Friendly Jordy skewering Gladys.

Eyes Wide Shut Youtube video

Best way to watch fkn Gladys.

Doesn’t seem that friendly.

No.But he is inestgative. And there isnt a lot of that about.

I cringe when he goes after the ABC. I feel sorry for the ABC.

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Date: 25/05/2021 18:25:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1742747
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

Best way to watch fkn Gladys.

Doesn’t seem that friendly.

No.But he is inestgative. And there isnt a lot of that about.

I cringe when he goes after the ABC. I feel sorry for the ABC.

Looked like good stuff, I’ll have a proper look later.

I too have wondered how Gladys just ignores all this stuff, and it all goes away, apparently.

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Date: 25/05/2021 18:30:51
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742749
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Doesn’t seem that friendly.

No.But he is inestgative. And there isnt a lot of that about.

I cringe when he goes after the ABC. I feel sorry for the ABC.

Looked like good stuff, I’ll have a proper look later.

I too have wondered how Gladys just ignores all this stuff, and it all goes away, apparently.

He is right in that my sister and hubby think she is doing a great job. If you are only taking news from limited sources Gladys is great.

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Date: 25/05/2021 18:38:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1742751
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

Best way to watch fkn Gladys.

Doesn’t seem that friendly.

No.But he is inestgative. And there isnt a lot of that about.

I cringe when he goes after the ABC. I feel sorry for the ABC.

investigative.

Truth is …it deserves a much longer video.

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Date: 25/05/2021 18:43:27
From: Rule 303
ID: 1742753
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Ian said:

Rule 303 said:

Please take a moment to enjoy Friendly Jordy skewering Gladys.

Eyes Wide Shut Youtube video

Best way to watch fkn Gladys.

Doesn’t seem that friendly.

You should see him when he’s grumpy!

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Date: 26/05/2021 15:01:19
From: dv
ID: 1743114
Subject: re: Aust Politics

What a headline

Google Amp link to get around the paywall

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thechronicle.com.au/news/queensland/gympie/police-courts/rolemodel-dad-sentenced-for-attacking-partner/news-story/b9278a15f0c596c253b8270d466838d2%3famp

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Date: 26/05/2021 15:13:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1743133
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


What a headline

Google Amp link to get around the paywall

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thechronicle.com.au/news/queensland/gympie/police-courts/rolemodel-dad-sentenced-for-attacking-partner/news-story/b9278a15f0c596c253b8270d466838d2%3famp

Doesn’t get me around the paywall. Nevertheless…awful headline. This shit is why the Libs might hang on to power. Crappy headlines.

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Date: 26/05/2021 16:42:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1743201
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Mount Isa City Council voted to put a motion to the LGAQ this year to impose a $200 fee to complain about councillor conduct
The Mayor was the only councillor to vote against the proposal
The council has spent $105,000 investigating complaints since January

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/council-charges-200-dollar-fee-to-complain/100165566

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Date: 1/06/2021 14:49:00
From: dv
ID: 1745642
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 2/06/2021 14:52:12
From: dv
ID: 1746059
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The ABC rejected an offer from Christian Porter to settle his defamation case weeks before the minister agreed to enter mediation, Guardian Australia can reveal.

The former attorney general has claimed a victory in the high-profile case, but it is understood he originally made an offer for a relatively modest financial settlement without an apology or a retraction of the article.

The offer was rejected by the broadcaster in early May and the two parties entered mediation on Friday 28 May, reaching an agreement on Monday.

It comes as a friend of the woman who made an historical rape allegation against Porter – an allegation he strenuously denies – separately sent the former attorney general a legal concerns notice on Tuesday over comments he made during a press conference which she says “impugned my honesty and integrity”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/02/abc-rejected-christian-porter-offer-to-settle-defamation-court-case

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Date: 2/06/2021 14:57:05
From: dv
ID: 1746060
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilMcMahon/status/1398419749902512134/photo/1

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Date: 2/06/2021 14:57:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1746061
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The ABC rejected an offer from Christian Porter to settle his defamation case weeks before the minister agreed to enter mediation, Guardian Australia can reveal.

The former attorney general has claimed a victory in the high-profile case, but it is understood he originally made an offer for a relatively modest financial settlement without an apology or a retraction of the article.

The offer was rejected by the broadcaster in early May and the two parties entered mediation on Friday 28 May, reaching an agreement on Monday.

It comes as a friend of the woman who made an historical rape allegation against Porter – an allegation he strenuously denies – separately sent the former attorney general a legal concerns notice on Tuesday over comments he made during a press conference which she says “impugned my honesty and integrity”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/02/abc-rejected-christian-porter-offer-to-settle-defamation-court-case

Perhaps he thought he make a few easy bucks out of the ABC, and didn’t count on them digging in?

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Date: 2/06/2021 14:59:02
From: dv
ID: 1746062
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The ABC rejected an offer from Christian Porter to settle his defamation case weeks before the minister agreed to enter mediation, Guardian Australia can reveal.

The former attorney general has claimed a victory in the high-profile case, but it is understood he originally made an offer for a relatively modest financial settlement without an apology or a retraction of the article.

The offer was rejected by the broadcaster in early May and the two parties entered mediation on Friday 28 May, reaching an agreement on Monday.

It comes as a friend of the woman who made an historical rape allegation against Porter – an allegation he strenuously denies – separately sent the former attorney general a legal concerns notice on Tuesday over comments he made during a press conference which she says “impugned my honesty and integrity”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/02/abc-rejected-christian-porter-offer-to-settle-defamation-court-case

Perhaps he thought he make a few easy bucks out of the ABC, and didn’t count on them digging in?

Worthwhile remembering that this legal genius was the Attorney-General, Australia’s most senior law officer.

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:00:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1746064
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilMcMahon/status/1398419749902512134/photo/1


I see, she gets to ‘decline’ to appear as a witness.

When i tried that with the Aust. Psychological Assn.‘s ‘inquiry’ into a spat between psychologists, i was threatened with prosecution and time in prison if i refused to appear (yes, they can do that).

In the end, i did not ‘appear’ but i bet that Dame Well-Paid-and-Useless didn’t get any threats.

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:02:20
From: party_pants
ID: 1746065
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The ABC rejected an offer from Christian Porter to settle his defamation case weeks before the minister agreed to enter mediation, Guardian Australia can reveal.

The former attorney general has claimed a victory in the high-profile case, but it is understood he originally made an offer for a relatively modest financial settlement without an apology or a retraction of the article.

The offer was rejected by the broadcaster in early May and the two parties entered mediation on Friday 28 May, reaching an agreement on Monday.

It comes as a friend of the woman who made an historical rape allegation against Porter – an allegation he strenuously denies – separately sent the former attorney general a legal concerns notice on Tuesday over comments he made during a press conference which she says “impugned my honesty and integrity”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/02/abc-rejected-christian-porter-offer-to-settle-defamation-court-case

Perhaps he thought he make a few easy bucks out of the ABC, and didn’t count on them digging in?

Sounds like it. Begin defamation proceedings, offer to settle out of court for a nominal fee but absolutely insist on non-disclosure. Then you can claim it was some sort of victory because they made a payment. Even if the payout was only $1.

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:04:18
From: dv
ID: 1746066
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilMcMahon/status/1398419749902512134/photo/1


I see, she gets to ‘decline’ to appear as a witness.

When i tried that with the Aust. Psychological Assn.‘s ‘inquiry’ into a spat between psychologists, i was threatened with prosecution and time in prison if i refused to appear (yes, they can do that).

In the end, i did not ‘appear’ but i bet that Dame Well-Paid-and-Useless didn’t get any threats.

She was being called as a character witness in a civil case.

I would in any case think it would be a bad idea to force someone to testify as a character witness for you. Pissing them off is unlikely to result in a positive assessment.

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:04:39
From: party_pants
ID: 1746067
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilMcMahon/status/1398419749902512134/photo/1


I see, she gets to ‘decline’ to appear as a witness.

When i tried that with the Aust. Psychological Assn.‘s ‘inquiry’ into a spat between psychologists, i was threatened with prosecution and time in prison if i refused to appear (yes, they can do that).

In the end, i did not ‘appear’ but i bet that Dame Well-Paid-and-Useless didn’t get any threats.

If you are summoning someone as a character witness you’d want to be on good terms with them. Of course you can insist and drag someone in against their will, but they are likely not to give any glowing testimony on your behalf.

It seems like BRS is using the “good bloke” defence.

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:05:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1746069
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilMcMahon/status/1398419749902512134/photo/1


I see, she gets to ‘decline’ to appear as a witness.

When i tried that with the Aust. Psychological Assn.‘s ‘inquiry’ into a spat between psychologists, i was threatened with prosecution and time in prison if i refused to appear (yes, they can do that).

In the end, i did not ‘appear’ but i bet that Dame Well-Paid-and-Useless didn’t get any threats.

surely a defamation case is a civil case and therefore there is no compunction to be a witness?

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:09:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1746071
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilMcMahon/status/1398419749902512134/photo/1


I see, she gets to ‘decline’ to appear as a witness.

When i tried that with the Aust. Psychological Assn.‘s ‘inquiry’ into a spat between psychologists, i was threatened with prosecution and time in prison if i refused to appear (yes, they can do that).

In the end, i did not ‘appear’ but i bet that Dame Well-Paid-and-Useless didn’t get any threats.

She was being called as a character witness in a civil case.

I would in any case think it would be a bad idea to force someone to testify as a character witness for you. Pissing them off is unlikely to result in a positive assessment.

The APA ‘inquiry’ was hardly a criminal case. It was ‘she said’ vs. ‘she said’.

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:13:53
From: Cymek
ID: 1746074
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilMcMahon/status/1398419749902512134/photo/1


I see, she gets to ‘decline’ to appear as a witness.

When i tried that with the Aust. Psychological Assn.‘s ‘inquiry’ into a spat between psychologists, i was threatened with prosecution and time in prison if i refused to appear (yes, they can do that).

In the end, i did not ‘appear’ but i bet that Dame Well-Paid-and-Useless didn’t get any threats.

If you are summoning someone as a character witness you’d want to be on good terms with them. Of course you can insist and drag someone in against their will, but they are likely not to give any glowing testimony on your behalf.

It seems like BRS is using the “good bloke” defence.

You become a hostile witness still have to answer questions though and the magistrate is meant to keep it all civil.
Being a dick in court isn’t a good idea as the magistrate can put you in detention for a think

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Date: 2/06/2021 15:13:59
From: transition
ID: 1746075
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The ABC rejected an offer from Christian Porter to settle his defamation case weeks before the minister agreed to enter mediation, Guardian Australia can reveal.

The former attorney general has claimed a victory in the high-profile case, but it is understood he originally made an offer for a relatively modest financial settlement without an apology or a retraction of the article.

The offer was rejected by the broadcaster in early May and the two parties entered mediation on Friday 28 May, reaching an agreement on Monday.

It comes as a friend of the woman who made an historical rape allegation against Porter – an allegation he strenuously denies – separately sent the former attorney general a legal concerns notice on Tuesday over comments he made during a press conference which she says “impugned my honesty and integrity”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/02/abc-rejected-christian-porter-offer-to-settle-defamation-court-case

I couldn’t say what that’s about above^, I didn’t read it, some sort of of dysmedia syndrome I suspect, transient I hope

but have noticed a propensity of humans for preferred explanations, though the arguments very often don’t make reference to preferred explanation/s, and certainly not the plural possibility

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Date: 2/06/2021 16:56:46
From: dv
ID: 1746087
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 2/06/2021 16:58:45
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1746089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



It’s funny because it’s true…

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Date: 2/06/2021 17:05:46
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1746090
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Strange man, I hear someone want to sue him for defamation. Strange how things turn round.

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Date: 2/06/2021 20:26:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1746139
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The ABC rejected an offer from Christian Porter to settle his defamation case weeks before the minister agreed to enter mediation, Guardian Australia can reveal.

The former attorney general has claimed a victory in the high-profile case, but it is understood he originally made an offer for a relatively modest financial settlement without an apology or a retraction of the article.

The offer was rejected by the broadcaster in early May and the two parties entered mediation on Friday 28 May, reaching an agreement on Monday.

It comes as a friend of the woman who made an historical rape allegation against Porter – an allegation he strenuously denies – separately sent the former attorney general a legal concerns notice on Tuesday over comments he made during a press conference which she says “impugned my honesty and integrity”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/02/abc-rejected-christian-porter-offer-to-settle-defamation-court-case

Perhaps he thought he make a few easy bucks out of the ABC, and didn’t count on them digging in?

Worthwhile remembering that this legal genius was the Attorney-General, Australia’s most senior law officer.

so he thought he could corrupt the process of law

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Date: 4/06/2021 21:35:16
From: dv
ID: 1747125
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Things are pretty good for incumbents in Australia rn.

In recent elections, ALP had a 14% swing in WA. The Libs got back their majority in Tasmania. In Qld Labor won with a 2% swing.

In the states that have not had recent elections…

ALP in Victoria are running at 58-42 in the most recent Morgan poll. Libs are running at 59-41 in NSW. In SA the Libs are only at 51-49 but still ahead.

Only the Federal government is running behind, with the Libs pegging 48.3 – 51.7 in the polling averages.

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Date: 26/07/2021 22:18:16
From: dv
ID: 1770625
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/campbell-newman-resigns-from-liberal-national-party/100322492

Former premier Campbell Newman has resigned from Queensland’s Liberal National Party, saying he was dismayed the political wing “failed” to stand up for the party’s core values.

—-

Ah…

Thanks for that, needed a laugh

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Date: 26/07/2021 22:21:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1770626
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/campbell-newman-resigns-from-liberal-national-party/100322492

Former premier Campbell Newman has resigned from Queensland’s Liberal National Party, saying he was dismayed the political wing “failed” to stand up for the party’s core values.

—-

Ah…

Thanks for that, needed a laugh

Silly old bugger and his silly old bugger wife.

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Date: 16/08/2021 15:46:52
From: dv
ID: 1778491
Subject: re: Aust Politics

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian “lost her sh*t” over claims that she ignored the Prime Minister’s advice to lockdown the entire state days ago according to senior colleagues.

NSW ministers have told news.com.au that Ms Berejiklian is fed up with the constant undermining by the Morrison Government and expressed her anger on Sunday during private discussions where she threatened to return fire.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/gladys-berejiklian-furious-at-claims-she-ignored-scott-morrisons-lockdown-advice/news-story/f9cb1ced42279fa10fa4db0e5dfa6498#.t278b
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Date: 16/08/2021 15:58:39
From: Trevtaowillgetyounowhere
ID: 1778494
Subject: re: Aust Politics

There is a poll on that link that gave the choices of who is to blame for the current outbreak.

Gladys took too long to lockdown
Sco-mo matter the vaccine rollout
Delta is just a unprecedented thing
Fnckers flouting lockdown rules.

Can only choose one.

Surely it’s all of the above.

Personally I don’t understand why we don’t have the same rules Australia wide.

Like not that oh Sydney has covids so all of Australia shuts down but more like if Sydney has covids… When “insert other Australian city here” had it we did this … It worked so Sydney does that too.

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Date: 16/08/2021 16:01:26
From: Trevtaowillgetyounowhere
ID: 1778495
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Sorry SCO-mo stuffed*

I’ve had a couple sorry

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Date: 16/08/2021 16:52:10
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778522
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:


There is a poll on that link that gave the choices of who is to blame for the current outbreak.

Gladys took too long to lockdown
Sco-mo matter the vaccine rollout
Delta is just a unprecedented thing
Fnckers flouting lockdown rules.

Can only choose one.

Surely it’s all of the above.

Personally I don’t understand why we don’t have the same rules Australia wide.

Like not that oh Sydney has covids so all of Australia shuts down but more like if Sydney has covids… When “insert other Australian city here” had it we did this … It worked so Sydney does that too.

we’re fine over here, we don’t need no stinking rules from the east.

:-)

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Date: 16/08/2021 16:55:52
From: Obviousman
ID: 1778529
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:


Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

There is a poll on that link that gave the choices of who is to blame for the current outbreak.

Gladys took too long to lockdown
Sco-mo matter the vaccine rollout
Delta is just a unprecedented thing
Fnckers flouting lockdown rules.

Can only choose one.

Surely it’s all of the above.

Personally I don’t understand why we don’t have the same rules Australia wide.

Like not that oh Sydney has covids so all of Australia shuts down but more like if Sydney has covids… When “insert other Australian city here” had it we did this … It worked so Sydney does that too.

we’re fine over here, we don’t need no stinking rules from the east.

:-)

You can start calling us “New Mexicans”!

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Date: 16/08/2021 16:59:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1778534
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:05:44
From: buffy
ID: 1778539
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:06:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778541
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

Indeed, we been imply that but also,

as you seen we say similar about just kitting everyone out with proper masks.

Oh and it’s nothing to do with Pfizer non deals remember, it’s because the Australian people are too hesitant and unwilling to race, especially if they’re a coloured race.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:10:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778542
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Indeed, we been imply that but also,

as you seen we say similar about just kitting everyone out with proper masks.

Oh and it’s nothing to do with Pfizer non deals remember, it’s because the Australian people are too hesitant and unwilling to race, especially if they’re a coloured race.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

That’s right, nobody could have known that a highly contagious and lethal disease might require a depth of strategy that exceeded the brainpower of the idiots elected to lead a country, almost any country.

Nobody could have guessed that a diversified portfolio might reduce the overall risk profile.

Oh wait that’s actually a thing that’s been around for more than 20 months.

Who Would Have Thought

hint: use foresight or even just insight

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:12:26
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778543
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Indeed, we been imply that but also,

as you seen we say similar about just kitting everyone out with proper masks.

Oh and it’s nothing to do with Pfizer non deals remember, it’s because the Australian people are too hesitant and unwilling to race, especially if they’re a coloured race.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

That’s right, nobody could have known that a highly contagious and lethal disease might require a depth of strategy that exceeded the brainpower of the idiots elected to lead a country, almost any country.

Nobody could have guessed that a diversified portfolio might reduce the overall risk profile.

Oh wait that’s actually a thing that’s been around for more than 20 months.

Who Would Have Thought

hint: use foresight or even just insight

yep, we pay these people lots and their advisors to actually think of these things.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:16:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1778545
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



That is a Norman Swan made up story that has been thoroughly debunked.
Did you get it from Margaret?

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:17:57
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778548
Subject: re: Aust Politics

someone had to do it.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:20:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778549
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

That is a Norman Swan made up story that has been thoroughly debunked.
Did you get it from Margaret?

Defund The Doctors

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:25:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1778553
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:


Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Hindsight?

Come on, it was July, we’d seen what the virus could do, the whole world had been sweating for months on there being a vaccine available in the near future, and you suggest that Morrison’s government turned down the deal out of ignorance?

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:26:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1778554
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:


That is a Norman Swan made up story that has been thoroughly debunked.
Did you get it from Margaret?

Couldn’t find the origin of that story, or a debunking of it, although something somewhat similar said by Chris Bowen was deemed “a long bow” by the ABC.

Perhaps someone might like to Google it.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:26:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1778556
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:


Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Hindsight?

Come on, it was July, we’d seen what the virus could do, the whole world had been sweating for months on there being a vaccine available in the near future, and you suggest that Morrison’s government turned down the deal out of ignorance?

It didn’t happen. It is fake news.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:27:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1778557
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:


That is a Norman Swan made up story that has been thoroughly debunked.
Did you get it from Margaret?

Debunked by whom?

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:28:10
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778558
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:


That is a Norman Swan made up story that has been thoroughly debunked.
Did you get it from Margaret?

Couldn’t find the origin of that story, or a debunking of it, although something somewhat similar said by Chris Bowen was deemed “a long bow” by the ABC.

Perhaps someone might like to Google it.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deal-or-no-deal-what-really-happened-in-last-july-s-pfizer-meeting-20210622-p5838e.html

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:28:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1778559
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

It didn’t happen. It is fake news.

Perhaps it was.

On the other hand, given Morrison’s government’s record of tomfoolery, dickheadedness, stupidity and cupidity, it’s something that can be very easily believed of them.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:31:44
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1778562
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That is a Norman Swan made up story that has been thoroughly debunked.
Did you get it from Margaret?

Couldn’t find the origin of that story, or a debunking of it, although something somewhat similar said by Chris Bowen was deemed “a long bow” by the ABC.

Perhaps someone might like to Google it.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deal-or-no-deal-what-really-happened-in-last-july-s-pfizer-meeting-20210622-p5838e.html

Thanks.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:33:04
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778566
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couldn’t find the origin of that story, or a debunking of it, although something somewhat similar said by Chris Bowen was deemed “a long bow” by the ABC.

Perhaps someone might like to Google it.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deal-or-no-deal-what-really-happened-in-last-july-s-pfizer-meeting-20210622-p5838e.html

Thanks.

rushes in before someone steals my thunder

no worries.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:34:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1778568
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That is a Norman Swan made up story that has been thoroughly debunked.
Did you get it from Margaret?

Couldn’t find the origin of that story, or a debunking of it, although something somewhat similar said by Chris Bowen was deemed “a long bow” by the ABC.

Perhaps someone might like to Google it.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deal-or-no-deal-what-really-happened-in-last-july-s-pfizer-meeting-20210622-p5838e.html

Thanks Mr. Snorkler.

So it was a Norm Swan story, but not exactly debunked.

Just depends whether you think Norm or Scotty is the more reliable.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:36:15
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778571
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couldn’t find the origin of that story, or a debunking of it, although something somewhat similar said by Chris Bowen was deemed “a long bow” by the ABC.

Perhaps someone might like to Google it.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deal-or-no-deal-what-really-happened-in-last-july-s-pfizer-meeting-20210622-p5838e.html

Thanks Mr. Snorkler.

So it was a Norm Swan story, but not exactly debunked.

Just depends whether you think Norm or Scotty is the more reliable.

and whether you can look at a SMH article written by a woman as being reliable…

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:36:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1778572
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couldn’t find the origin of that story, or a debunking of it, although something somewhat similar said by Chris Bowen was deemed “a long bow” by the ABC.

Perhaps someone might like to Google it.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deal-or-no-deal-what-really-happened-in-last-july-s-pfizer-meeting-20210622-p5838e.html

Thanks Mr. Snorkler.

So it was a Norm Swan story, but not exactly debunked.

Just depends whether you think Norm or Scotty is the more reliable.

Or everyone else who was at the meeting that say Norman Swan is making shit up.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:39:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1778574
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

Thanks Mr. Snorkler.

So it was a Norm Swan story, but not exactly debunked.

Just depends whether you think Norm or Scotty is the more reliable.

I agree.

Denied, but not entirely debunked.

After fifty years of working mostly for and with official/government bodies, i’m very well aware that there can be what actually happened, and what is agreed on as the account for public consumption.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:40:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1778575
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deal-or-no-deal-what-really-happened-in-last-july-s-pfizer-meeting-20210622-p5838e.html

Thanks Mr. Snorkler.

So it was a Norm Swan story, but not exactly debunked.

Just depends whether you think Norm or Scotty is the more reliable.

Or everyone else who was at the meeting that say Norman Swan is making shit up.

I think we can all agree that government reps at that meeting cannot be regarded as reliable.

The company selling the product?

Hmmm, perhaps not that reliable either.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:43:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778576
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Thanks Mr. Snorkler.

So it was a Norm Swan story, but not exactly debunked.

Just depends whether you think Norm or Scotty is the more reliable.

Or everyone else who was at the meeting that say Norman Swan is making shit up.

I think we can all agree that government reps at that meeting cannot be regarded as reliable.

The company selling the product?

Hmmm, perhaps not that reliable either.

wait so you’re all saying there was a meeting and talks and lots of denialists

and yet nothing was ever on the table between Australia and Pfizer, nothing at all

all right then,

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:51:51
From: buffy
ID: 1778579
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Or everyone else who was at the meeting that say Norman Swan is making shit up.

I think we can all agree that government reps at that meeting cannot be regarded as reliable.

The company selling the product?

Hmmm, perhaps not that reliable either.

wait so you’re all saying there was a meeting and talks and lots of denialists

and yet nothing was ever on the table between Australia and Pfizer, nothing at all

all right then,

In July last year, everything was purely potential. Pfizer only potentially had a vaccine. Everyone all around the world was still second guessing if a vaccine could actually be made for a corona virus, given one had never been done before, even though the veterinary community had been looking for some time.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:55:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1778581
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I think we can all agree that government reps at that meeting cannot be regarded as reliable.

The company selling the product?

Hmmm, perhaps not that reliable either.

wait so you’re all saying there was a meeting and talks and lots of denialists

and yet nothing was ever on the table between Australia and Pfizer, nothing at all

all right then,

In July last year, everything was purely potential. Pfizer only potentially had a vaccine. Everyone all around the world was still second guessing if a vaccine could actually be made for a corona virus, given one had never been done before, even though the veterinary community had been looking for some time.

Yet all countries were in the same boat and unlike Australia did place orders quickly for the experimental vaccines.

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:57:48
From: furious
ID: 1778584
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

wait so you’re all saying there was a meeting and talks and lots of denialists

and yet nothing was ever on the table between Australia and Pfizer, nothing at all

all right then,

In July last year, everything was purely potential. Pfizer only potentially had a vaccine. Everyone all around the world was still second guessing if a vaccine could actually be made for a corona virus, given one had never been done before, even though the veterinary community had been looking for some time.

Yet all countries were in the same boat and unlike Australia did place orders quickly for the experimental vaccines.

When did we order AZ? Maybe they put all their eggs in that basket…

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Date: 16/08/2021 17:59:09
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778585
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

wait so you’re all saying there was a meeting and talks and lots of denialists

and yet nothing was ever on the table between Australia and Pfizer, nothing at all

all right then,

In July last year, everything was purely potential. Pfizer only potentially had a vaccine. Everyone all around the world was still second guessing if a vaccine could actually be made for a corona virus, given one had never been done before, even though the veterinary community had been looking for some time.

Yet all countries were in the same boat and unlike Australia did place orders quickly for the experimental vaccines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer–BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine#History

and clinical trials. it was around that time though results hadn’t been published.

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Date: 16/08/2021 18:00:00
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778586
Subject: re: Aust Politics

furious said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

In July last year, everything was purely potential. Pfizer only potentially had a vaccine. Everyone all around the world was still second guessing if a vaccine could actually be made for a corona virus, given one had never been done before, even though the veterinary community had been looking for some time.

Yet all countries were in the same boat and unlike Australia did place orders quickly for the experimental vaccines.

When did we order AZ? Maybe they put all their eggs in that basket…

and the queensland one, which might have been good if not for the HIV false positives.

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Date: 16/08/2021 18:44:41
From: sibeen
ID: 1778599
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:


furious said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yet all countries were in the same boat and unlike Australia did place orders quickly for the experimental vaccines.

When did we order AZ? Maybe they put all their eggs in that basket…

and the queensland one, which might have been good if not for the HIV false positives.

The AZ was also concentrated on because we can manufacture that on-shore.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:12:28
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1778607
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bogsnorkler said:

furious said:

When did we order AZ? Maybe they put all their eggs in that basket…

and the queensland one, which might have been good if not for the HIV false positives.

The AZ was also concentrated on because we can manufacture that on-shore.

Yea, like a Leyland p76…

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:36:30
From: buffy
ID: 1778612
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


Bogsnorkler said:

furious said:

When did we order AZ? Maybe they put all their eggs in that basket…

and the queensland one, which might have been good if not for the HIV false positives.

The AZ was also concentrated on because we can manufacture that on-shore.

Hey you…stop it with the sensible stuff!

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:40:05
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1778614
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

and the queensland one, which might have been good if not for the HIV false positives.

The AZ was also concentrated on because we can manufacture that on-shore.

Hey you…stop it with the sensible stuff!

Was 10x cheaper too.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:45:06
From: buffy
ID: 1778616
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

sibeen said:

The AZ was also concentrated on because we can manufacture that on-shore.

Hey you…stop it with the sensible stuff!

Was 10x cheaper too.

And apparently works too.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:48:26
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1778617
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Hey you…stop it with the sensible stuff!

Was 10x cheaper too.

And apparently works too.

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:51:15
From: buffy
ID: 1778618
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Was 10x cheaper too.

And apparently works too.

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

I think we are still finding out the population efficacy of the present vaccines. The accelerated development means we moved to the bit where we see what happens when we release them into the wild is being done a bit differently from usual.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:52:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1778620
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

wait so you’re all saying there was a meeting and talks and lots of denialists

and yet nothing was ever on the table between Australia and Pfizer, nothing at all

all right then,

In July last year, everything was purely potential. Pfizer only potentially had a vaccine. Everyone all around the world was still second guessing if a vaccine could actually be made for a corona virus, given one had never been done before, even though the veterinary community had been looking for some time.

Yet all countries were in the same boat and unlike Australia did place orders quickly for the experimental vaccines.

In Morrison’s support he did go for Oxford AZ which was cheap, able to be made in this country and could be delivered every where without worries keeping it super cool.
And the Qld one that never happened.

There was some logic.

He maybe should have ordered more Pfizer straight up. He should have increased the order much earlier than he did. And there is not such a great roll out in the remote areas that AZ made sense in and they seem to be getting Pfizer out fine.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:52:40
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1778621
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

And apparently works too.

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

I think we are still finding out the population efficacy of the present vaccines. The accelerated development means we moved to the bit where we see what happens when we release them into the wild is being done a bit differently from usual.

Not really, it’s all the same steps, just faster. We already have a fair idea of potential/assumed pop efficacy, no point doing trials otherwise.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:54:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778622
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Was 10x cheaper too.

And apparently works too.

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:56:08
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778623
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

I think we are still finding out the population efficacy of the present vaccines. The accelerated development means we moved to the bit where we see what happens when we release them into the wild is being done a bit differently from usual.

Not really, it’s all the same steps, just faster. We already have a fair idea of potential/assumed pop efficacy, no point doing trials otherwise.

yeah, I think pfizer had something like 30 000 in their trial.

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Date: 16/08/2021 19:56:36
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1778624
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

And apparently works too.

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

Used to, too expensive, as in, the locals won’t pay for it.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:00:15
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1778625
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:


poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I think we are still finding out the population efficacy of the present vaccines. The accelerated development means we moved to the bit where we see what happens when we release them into the wild is being done a bit differently from usual.

Not really, it’s all the same steps, just faster. We already have a fair idea of potential/assumed pop efficacy, no point doing trials otherwise.

yeah, I think pfizer had something like 30 000 in their trial.

~42,000 total for pfiz and ~12000 anallysed (~23000 enrolled) for AZ. The AZ trial was a bit of a clusterfuck as far as clinical trials usually go tbh.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:13:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778629
Subject: re: Aust Politics

poikilotherm said:


Bogsnorkler said:

poikilotherm said:

Not really, it’s all the same steps, just faster. We already have a fair idea of potential/assumed pop efficacy, no point doing trials otherwise.

yeah, I think pfizer had something like 30 000 in their trial.

~42,000 total for pfiz and ~12000 anallysed (~23000 enrolled) for AZ. The AZ trial was a bit of a clusterfuck as far as clinical trials usually go tbh.

on the other hand it did prove to be 65% effective in practice though yeah

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:20:48
From: sibeen
ID: 1778630
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

And apparently works too.

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:22:34
From: buffy
ID: 1778631
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

There you go again with the sensible…you are quite incorrigible.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:23:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1778632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

There you go again with the sensible…you are quite incorrigible.

Victoria is saying they will tool up.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:24:56
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778634
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Plenty of things work some work better than others…i.e. Ural works for reflux but there are better options.

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

I think we all kinda realise that.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:25:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778635
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

There you go again with the sensible…you are quite incorrigible.

yeah right so so so why were we begging other countries to stop diverting slash hoarding slash blocking vaccine deliveries to Australia then, weren’t we far ahead and capable of pulling our weight and pushing out local vaccine aid

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:26:35
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778636
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:


sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine manufacturing all medications on shore

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

I think we all kinda realise that.

plus pfizer didn’t want us to have a license to make their, osib.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:28:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1778637
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

I think we all kinda realise that.

plus pfizer didn’t want us to have a license to make their, osib.

but they let Israel manufacture it right rright right

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:34:37
From: sibeen
ID: 1778640
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

sibeen said:

We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture the new type of vaccines, and it’s not something that you can just cobble together in a fortnight.

There you go again with the sensible…you are quite incorrigible.

Victoria is saying they will tool up.

Yep, and it’ll take at least a year before doses start rolling off the line. It is a good idea to put the manufacturing base in place but it’s not going to help us out of the immediate situation.

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Date: 16/08/2021 20:38:15
From: party_pants
ID: 1778641
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I wonder if the Aus policy towards Afghan refugees will change after this…?

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Date: 17/08/2021 07:58:42
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1778723
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 17/08/2021 09:05:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1778736
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bogsnorkler said:



Sit!

Now!

LOL

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Date: 17/08/2021 09:08:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1778737
Subject: re: Aust Politics

My question for today:

It is easy to identify several people in the “Liberal” party with right wing views.

I have no idea who the left wingers in the Labor party are.

Any ideas?

What about in the ABC?

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Date: 17/08/2021 09:28:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1778756
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


My question for today:

It is easy to identify several people in the “Liberal” party with right wing views.

I have no idea who the left wingers in the Labor party are.

Any ideas?

What about in the ABC?

Well, this wikipedia article is not much help, as it seems to apply the American definition of ‘left-wing’ i.e. anyone who believes that government should or could have the power to legislate to stop big business openly looting and pillaging the entire nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Left

This SMH article from February this year is rather more sensible:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/what-are-labor-s-factions-and-who-s-who-in-the-left-and-right-20210210-p5718j.html

Anthony Albanese ‘came from’ the left of the Party, but i doubt that he’d be holding much to their tenets these days, what with political pragmatism etc etc. Don’t want to frighten the people who make or break governments in Australia.

When all is said and done, i doubt that any ‘left wingers’ from the ALP of the 1960s and 1970s would recognise today’s ALP left as being anywhere near their definition of such a thing.

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Date: 17/08/2021 09:32:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1778760
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

My question for today:

It is easy to identify several people in the “Liberal” party with right wing views.

I have no idea who the left wingers in the Labor party are.

Any ideas?

What about in the ABC?

Well, this wikipedia article is not much help, as it seems to apply the American definition of ‘left-wing’ i.e. anyone who believes that government should or could have the power to legislate to stop big business openly looting and pillaging the entire nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Left

This SMH article from February this year is rather more sensible:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/what-are-labor-s-factions-and-who-s-who-in-the-left-and-right-20210210-p5718j.html

Anthony Albanese ‘came from’ the left of the Party, but i doubt that he’d be holding much to their tenets these days, what with political pragmatism etc etc. Don’t want to frighten the people who make or break governments in Australia.

When all is said and done, i doubt that any ‘left wingers’ from the ALP of the 1960s and 1970s would recognise today’s ALP left as being anywhere near their definition of such a thing.

Thanks cap’n.

I had no idea Albo was once a lefty.

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Date: 17/08/2021 09:34:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1778761
Subject: re: Aust Politics

As for ‘who’s a left-winger in the ABC?’, that’s easy.

Just ask anyone in the Liberal Party or the National Party.

They’ll assure you that everyone from the Managing Director down to the cat who lives in the shed out the back are card-carrying Communist revolutionaries.

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Date: 17/08/2021 09:36:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1778763
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


As for ‘who’s a left-winger in the ABC?’, that’s easy.

Just ask anyone in the Liberal Party or the National Party.

They’ll assure you that everyone from the Managing Director down to the cat who lives in the shed out the back are card-carrying Communist revolutionaries.

Wot, even Mandy V?

I don’t think even our mate Phil could be called a Lefty these days.

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Date: 19/08/2021 12:18:29
From: dv
ID: 1779728
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ALP pull 5.6% in front.

Possibly 9 months til the election though some boffins are saying Feb or March is more likely as the LNP would prefer not to hold an election after a rough budget.

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Date: 8/02/2022 20:28:43
From: dv
ID: 1846433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A new poll has found a majority of voters reject the Coalition’s plan to allow discriminatory religious statements. 

Three-quarters of respondents to the YouGov Galaxy poll of 1,030 voters said they did not support a central clause in the new religious discrimination bill that would allow discriminatory speech. 

As well, almost 65 per cent said it should be illegal for religious schools to expel LGBTQ+ students. 

http://local.governmentcareer.com.au/news/poll-slams-religious-bill

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Date: 8/02/2022 20:31:00
From: sibeen
ID: 1846434
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


A new poll has found a majority of voters reject the Coalition’s plan to allow discriminatory religious statements. 

Three-quarters of respondents to the YouGov Galaxy poll of 1,030 voters said they did not support a central clause in the new religious discrimination bill that would allow discriminatory speech. 

As well, almost 65 per cent said it should be illegal for religious schools to expel LGBTQ+ students. 

http://local.governmentcareer.com.au/news/poll-slams-religious-bill

rubs hands

The coalition can rely on the 35% who agree with them.

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Date: 8/02/2022 20:32:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846436
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

A new poll has found a majority of voters reject the Coalition’s plan to allow discriminatory religious statements. 

Three-quarters of respondents to the YouGov Galaxy poll of 1,030 voters said they did not support a central clause in the new religious discrimination bill that would allow discriminatory speech. 

As well, almost 65 per cent said it should be illegal for religious schools to expel LGBTQ+ students. 

http://local.governmentcareer.com.au/news/poll-slams-religious-bill

rubs hands

The coalition can rely on the 35% who agree with them.

You mean they can hope that some of them don’t change their minds.

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Date: 8/02/2022 20:36:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

A new poll has found a majority of voters reject the Coalition’s plan to allow discriminatory religious statements. 

Three-quarters of respondents to the YouGov Galaxy poll of 1,030 voters said they did not support a central clause in the new religious discrimination bill that would allow discriminatory speech. 

As well, almost 65 per cent said it should be illegal for religious schools to expel LGBTQ+ students. 

http://local.governmentcareer.com.au/news/poll-slams-religious-bill

rubs hands

The coalition can rely on the 35% who agree with them.

You mean they can hope that some of them don’t change their minds.

what if they weren’t expelled of LGBTQ+, but expelled with LGBTQ+, what then

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Date: 8/02/2022 20:41:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1846446
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Friendly Jordies posits that the discrimination bill is a winner for Islamic extrememists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJvUkZUnrI

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Date: 8/02/2022 21:36:43
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1846477
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10484109/Liberal-MPs-pressured-NOT-attend-Grace-Tame-Brittany-Higgins-speech.html

Link

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7610414/lib-told-not-to-go-to-tame-higgins-speech/

Link

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:23:28
From: dv
ID: 1846816
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:36:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1846817
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Or, they’re just dumb.

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:38:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1846818
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Or, they’re just dumb.

there are people who don’t leave abusive relationships.

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:40:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1846821
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Or, they’re just dumb.

Lock in ‘B’, Eddie.

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:45:14
From: party_pants
ID: 1846823
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Preferred PM is a useless stat if the LOTO has never held the PM-ship before. They always lag behind the incumbent in the PPM polling even if the party polls well ahead in the 2PP.

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:50:26
From: btm
ID: 1846824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


“/uploads/8fc23427-40e2-4458-a8f1-835c85d8d58d.jpe”

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:55:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1846825
Subject: re: Aust Politics

btm said:


dv said:

“/uploads/8fc23427-40e2-4458-a8f1-835c85d8d58d.jpe”

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

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Date: 9/02/2022 20:58:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1846826
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


btm said:

dv said:

“/uploads/8fc23427-40e2-4458-a8f1-835c85d8d58d.jpe”

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Tony was awful in opposition.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:02:49
From: dv
ID: 1846827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

btm said:

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Tony was awful in opposition.

People always remember that Tony was awful in opposition and also in government, but forget that he was a real piece of shit before entering parliament and indeed a deadset cunt even now that he has left.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:04:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1846828
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


btm said:

dv said:

“/uploads/8fc23427-40e2-4458-a8f1-835c85d8d58d.jpe”

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Perhaps ‘effective’ is

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:04:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1846829
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


btm said:

dv said:

“/uploads/8fc23427-40e2-4458-a8f1-835c85d8d58d.jpe”

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Perhaps ‘effective’ is

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:05:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1846830
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Tony was awful in opposition.

People always remember that Tony was awful in opposition and also in government, but forget that he was a real piece of shit before entering parliament and indeed a deadset cunt even now that he has left.

so we will call him consistent.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:05:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1846831
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


btm said:

dv said:

“/uploads/8fc23427-40e2-4458-a8f1-835c85d8d58d.jpe”

I’m never sure what to make of the fact that more people are satisfied with Albanese’s performance than Morrison’s, but more people prefer Morrison as PM than Albanese.

Maybe some people are satisfied with the job he is doing as Opposition leader and want him to stay in that job.

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Perhaps ‘effective’ is a better description.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:08:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1846832
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Tony was awful in opposition.

People always remember that Tony was awful in opposition and also in government, but forget that he was a real piece of shit before entering parliament and indeed a deadset cunt even now that he has left.

Funny thing is, he once had a first-class brain.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:17:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1846833
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

btm said:

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Tony was awful in opposition.

He was a better opposition leader than Mark Latham.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:25:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1846835
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Tony was awful in opposition.

He was a better opposition leader than Mark Latham.

Mark is an extraordinary figure, isn’t he?

Denied what he saw as his by right, he reacted by descending into absolute froth-at-the-mouth vindictive insanity in a way that no other Australian politician has done within living memory.

It’s best for all, including Mark, that he’s out of politics now.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:31:33
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1846836
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

Tony was awful in opposition.

He was a better opposition leader than Mark Latham.

Mark is an extraordinary figure, isn’t he?

Denied what he saw as his by right, he reacted by descending into absolute froth-at-the-mouth vindictive insanity in a way that no other Australian politician has done within living memory.

It’s best for all, including Mark, that he’s out of politics now.

He’s in the NSW upper house representing One Nation.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:31:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1846837
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

Tony was awful in opposition.

He was a better opposition leader than Mark Latham.

Mark is an extraordinary figure, isn’t he?

Denied what he saw as his by right, he reacted by descending into absolute froth-at-the-mouth vindictive insanity in a way that no other Australian politician has done within living memory.

It’s best for all, including Mark, that he’s out of politics now.

Um, he’s not out of politics. He’s now a member of the NSW Legislative Council as state leader of One Nation.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:32:59
From: buffy
ID: 1846838
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bubblecar said:

btm said:

Tony Abbott was a great opposition leader, but one of the worst prime ministers in Australia’s history. Maybe they remember that.

I don’t recall Tony Abbott being a great opposition leader. I recall him being just as crappy and objectionable in that role as any other he’s undertaken.

Perhaps ‘effective’ is a better description.

You’ve got a bit of a stutter there tonight Witty.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:37:26
From: dv
ID: 1846840
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Are you having some kind of device trouble tonight WR?

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:41:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1846843
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Are you having some kind of device trouble tonight WR?

CPU having trouble with click-happy peripherals.

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Date: 9/02/2022 21:54:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1846844
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He was a better opposition leader than Mark Latham.

Mark is an extraordinary figure, isn’t he?

Denied what he saw as his by right, he reacted by descending into absolute froth-at-the-mouth vindictive insanity in a way that no other Australian politician has done within living memory.

It’s best for all, including Mark, that he’s out of politics now.

He’s in the NSW upper house representing One Nation.

For all of us non-NSWers, that is good enough.

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Date: 9/02/2022 22:20:20
From: dv
ID: 1846849
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Mark is an extraordinary figure, isn’t he?

Denied what he saw as his by right, he reacted by descending into absolute froth-at-the-mouth vindictive insanity in a way that no other Australian politician has done within living memory.

It’s best for all, including Mark, that he’s out of politics now.

He’s in the NSW upper house representing One Nation.

For all of us non-NSWers, that is good enough.

129°E is the edge of the world

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Date: 10/02/2022 03:47:01
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1846903
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Are you having some kind of device trouble tonight WR?

Yeah.

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Date: 10/02/2022 07:27:50
From: buffy
ID: 1846908
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

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Date: 10/02/2022 09:23:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1846919
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

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Date: 10/02/2022 09:46:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846922
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-transgender-protection-explained/100818484

does reading this help?

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Date: 10/02/2022 09:55:07
From: Michael V
ID: 1846924
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

It’s complicated.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:02:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1846925
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-transgender-protection-explained/100818484

does reading this help?

I’ve read those words and numbers twice and it didn’t help at all.

I’ll try looking at what it links to later.

Maybe.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:12:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846927
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-transgender-protection-explained/100818484

does reading this help?

I’ve read those words and numbers twice and it didn’t help at all.

I’ll try looking at what it links to later.

Maybe.

Mighht be better to go back further before cooming forward.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-and-queer-christians/100635486
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-27/ian-thorpe-campaigns-against-religious-discrimination-bill/12007812

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:29:08
From: transition
ID: 1846931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

I think it a dog’s breakfast, a very effective distraction though from the impositions and failures of the program of endemic covid, and it has been a disgusting failure, a grotesque failure, a global failure largely with few exceptions

might add, subject religious discrimination and gender etc being discussed together, formalization through legislation, effectively morphs a progressive dimension of political views and some dimension of more the right, until they’re are indistinguishable, and at the ballot box it tends to result in the numbers shifting toward the right

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:30:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1846933
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-transgender-protection-explained/100818484

does reading this help?

I’ve read those words and numbers twice and it didn’t help at all.

I’ll try looking at what it links to later.

Maybe.

Mighht be better to go back further before cooming forward.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-and-queer-christians/100635486
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-27/ian-thorpe-campaigns-against-religious-discrimination-bill/12007812

Thanks.

But I confess to only reading the first link.

Which can be summarised by this extract from the report:

“How that unfolds could get messy.”

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:31:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1846935
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

I think it a dog’s breakfast, a very effective distraction though from the impositions and failures of the program of endemic covid, and it has been a disgusting failure, a grotesque failure, a global failure largely with few exceptions

might add, subject religious discrimination and gender etc being discussed together, formalization through legislation, effectively morphs a progressive dimension of political views and some dimension of more the right, until they’re are indistinguishable, and at the ballot box it tends to result in the numbers shifting toward the right

Don’t know about that.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:34:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1846937
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve read those words and numbers twice and it didn’t help at all.

I’ll try looking at what it links to later.

Maybe.

Mighht be better to go back further before cooming forward.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-and-queer-christians/100635486
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-27/ian-thorpe-campaigns-against-religious-discrimination-bill/12007812

Thanks.

But I confess to only reading the first link.

Which can be summarised by this extract from the report:

“How that unfolds could get messy.”

I don’t like that is seems (on the face of it) to give people the right to hate-speech if used in the name of religion. Israel Folau type stuff. Who knows where that might lead.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:34:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846938
Subject: re: Aust Politics

so it was a reverse trojan horse amendment twist is that the best way to understand it

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:37:15
From: transition
ID: 1846940
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

I think it a dog’s breakfast, a very effective distraction though from the impositions and failures of the program of endemic covid, and it has been a disgusting failure, a grotesque failure, a global failure largely with few exceptions

might add, subject religious discrimination and gender etc being discussed together, formalization through legislation, effectively morphs a progressive dimension of political views and some dimension of more the right, until they’re are indistinguishable, and at the ballot box it tends to result in the numbers shifting toward the right

Don’t know about that.

put another way, those that more represent the value of money have evolved to accommodate a social constructionist view

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:42:24
From: buffy
ID: 1846943
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I just read some of the ABC stuff about it. This surprised me:

>>The actual change that has been made is fairly simple.

The Sex Discrimination Act already included an exemption for schools that allowed them to discriminate “in good faith” to exclude staff on the grounds of sexual orientation, gender identity, relationship status and pregnancy “in order to avoid injury to the religious susceptibilities of adherents of that religion”.

The government’s proposal was to remove “sexual orientation” from the list of exempted attributes that a school was allowed to discriminate on — but not gender identity.

The change that was agreed was to scrap the exemption entirely.<<

Discrimination on the grounds of pregnancy?! What is this, the 1950s? If they got rid of all the exemptions, that’s got to be a Good Thing.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:44:48
From: buffy
ID: 1846944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr buffy thinks the Government will withdraw the bill from the Senate now.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:48:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846946
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

I think it a dog’s breakfast, a very effective distraction though from the impositions and failures of the program of endemic covid, and it has been a disgusting failure, a grotesque failure, a global failure largely with few exceptions

might add, subject religious discrimination and gender etc being discussed together, formalization through legislation, effectively morphs a progressive dimension of political views and some dimension of more the right, until they’re are indistinguishable, and at the ballot box it tends to result in the numbers shifting toward the right

It is about strength in numbers against those who are individuals.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:48:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846947
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve read those words and numbers twice and it didn’t help at all.

I’ll try looking at what it links to later.

Maybe.

Mighht be better to go back further before cooming forward.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-and-queer-christians/100635486
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-27/ian-thorpe-campaigns-against-religious-discrimination-bill/12007812

Thanks.

But I confess to only reading the first link.

Which can be summarised by this extract from the report:

“How that unfolds could get messy.”

and messier.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:50:25
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1846948
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

It’s neither here nor there really… the bill is largely symbolic and the clauses that were carved out were the worst of it… The Labs are aiming to push for a change to the statement of belief at the beginning of the bill when it’s debated in the senate, but again that is all very ho-hum.

The LibNats will laud the bill passing as a measure of them delivering on a promise they made at the last election (despite it not actually being law yet)
The Labs will laud the fact that they were able to carve out the most harmful elements of the bill while still believing in the fundamental right for people to use their religious beliefs to be arseholes
The the members of the govt that crossed the floor will laud themselves for holding true to the principles of being small “l” (progressive) liberals in an effort to stave off the looming threat being posed by independent candidates

you getting the picture.. ??

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:51:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846949
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


I just read some of the ABC stuff about it. This surprised me:

>>The actual change that has been made is fairly simple.

The Sex Discrimination Act already included an exemption for schools that allowed them to discriminate “in good faith” to exclude staff on the grounds of sexual orientation, gender identity, relationship status and pregnancy “in order to avoid injury to the religious susceptibilities of adherents of that religion”.

The government’s proposal was to remove “sexual orientation” from the list of exempted attributes that a school was allowed to discriminate on — but not gender identity.

The change that was agreed was to scrap the exemption entirely.<<

Discrimination on the grounds of pregnancy?! What is this, the 1950s? If they got rid of all the exemptions, that’s got to be a Good Thing.

Yes.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:52:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846950
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Mr buffy thinks the Government will withdraw the bill from the Senate now.

Yes. It could be a real shit fight there and they actually still want to win what is looking like a shaky election.

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:53:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846951
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

It’s neither here nor there really… the bill is largely symbolic and the clauses that were carved out were the worst of it… The Labs are aiming to push for a change to the statement of belief at the beginning of the bill when it’s debated in the senate, but again that is all very ho-hum.

The LibNats will laud the bill passing as a measure of them delivering on a promise they made at the last election (despite it not actually being law yet)
The Labs will laud the fact that they were able to carve out the most harmful elements of the bill while still believing in the fundamental right for people to use their religious beliefs to be arseholes
The the members of the govt that crossed the floor will laud themselves for holding true to the principles of being small “l” (progressive) liberals in an effort to stave off the looming threat being posed by independent candidates

you getting the picture.. ??

Watching it uunfold…

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Date: 10/02/2022 10:54:11
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1846952
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Mr buffy thinks the Government will withdraw the bill from the Senate now.

I wouldn’t be surprised is this happened… the laws were a hatchet job designed to “deliver on an election promise” and that’s about it.. It was simply about dog-whistling to an element of the LibNat base..

there is every chance they won’t be passed in the senate without significant changes anyway so if they pull the bill they get to take the moral high ground and say, it’s my way, or not at all..

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Date: 10/02/2022 11:00:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846953
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

Mr buffy thinks the Government will withdraw the bill from the Senate now.

I wouldn’t be surprised is this happened… the laws were a hatchet job designed to “deliver on an election promise” and that’s about it.. It was simply about dog-whistling to an element of the LibNat base..

there is every chance they won’t be passed in the senate without significant changes anyway so if they pull the bill they get to take the moral high ground and say, it’s my way, or not at all..

With the bill now passed to the Senate for a second showdown, Assistant Attorney-General Amanda Stoker said the government was speaking with religious groups about what to do next.

“It’s not what the government designed,” Senator Stoker said.

“It’s not what we thought had got the balance right. That’s why we are going to talk to them all today.”
Religious discrimination vote explained

The government has suffered a major defeat and there is now a looming showdown in the Senate over proposed religious discrimination laws and protections for transgender students.

LGBT rights advocates from Equality Australia said the passage of the bill has brought mixed emotions.

“While the House of Representatives voted for historic changes to the Sex Discrimination Act that will protect LGBTQ+ students from discrimination in religious schools, the house also voted to wind back existing discrimination protections for our communities and many others,” Anna Brown, CEO of Equality Australia, said

Equality Australia has argued “statement of belief” provisions that passed the house will allow religious people to say harmful and discriminatory things against LGBT people, women and people with disability.

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Date: 10/02/2022 11:07:08
From: dv
ID: 1846957
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

Mr buffy thinks the Government will withdraw the bill from the Senate now.

I wouldn’t be surprised is this happened… the laws were a hatchet job designed to “deliver on an election promise” and that’s about it.. It was simply about dog-whistling to an element of the LibNat base..

there is every chance they won’t be passed in the senate without significant changes anyway so if they pull the bill they get to take the moral high ground and say, it’s my way, or not at all..

I ain’t no expert but I wonder of the wisdom of playing to the base in a country where voting is compulsory. These people have to show up and they will no doubt preference the Coalition. Their problem is not with the base, it is with swinging, moderate voters. The great majority of Australians hate this Bill. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/majority-of-voters-reject-coalitions-proposal-to-allow-discrimination-on-basis-of-religious-belief-poll-suggests#_=_

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Date: 10/02/2022 11:41:26
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1846958
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy thinks the Government will withdraw the bill from the Senate now.

I wouldn’t be surprised is this happened… the laws were a hatchet job designed to “deliver on an election promise” and that’s about it.. It was simply about dog-whistling to an element of the LibNat base..

there is every chance they won’t be passed in the senate without significant changes anyway so if they pull the bill they get to take the moral high ground and say, it’s my way, or not at all..

I ain’t no expert but I wonder of the wisdom of playing to the base in a country where voting is compulsory. These people have to show up and they will no doubt preference the Coalition. Their problem is not with the base, it is with swinging, moderate voters. The great majority of Australians hate this Bill. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/majority-of-voters-reject-coalitions-proposal-to-allow-discrimination-on-basis-of-religious-belief-poll-suggests#_=_

I don’t disagree that for the most part the people that want this are nailed on LibNat voters anyway but I don’t necessarily agree with the point you are making. The issue here is that elements of the news media act as megaphones well past this specific issue and the fundamental demographics of the electorate are in flux. The aim here is to secure those elements that may not care specifically about “religious freedom” but have very strong feelings on “woke politics”.

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Date: 10/02/2022 11:46:16
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1846959
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

diddly-squat said:

I wouldn’t be surprised is this happened… the laws were a hatchet job designed to “deliver on an election promise” and that’s about it.. It was simply about dog-whistling to an element of the LibNat base..

there is every chance they won’t be passed in the senate without significant changes anyway so if they pull the bill they get to take the moral high ground and say, it’s my way, or not at all..

I ain’t no expert but I wonder of the wisdom of playing to the base in a country where voting is compulsory. These people have to show up and they will no doubt preference the Coalition. Their problem is not with the base, it is with swinging, moderate voters. The great majority of Australians hate this Bill. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/majority-of-voters-reject-coalitions-proposal-to-allow-discrimination-on-basis-of-religious-belief-poll-suggests#_=_

I don’t disagree that for the most part the people that want this are nailed on LibNat voters anyway but I don’t necessarily agree with the point you are making. The issue here is that elements of the news media act as megaphones well past this specific issue and the fundamental demographics of the electorate are in flux. The aim here is to secure those elements that may not care specifically about “religious freedom” but have very strong feelings on “woke politics”.

what we’re seeing in Australia is not entirely dissimilar to what is happening in the US.. We’re starting to see a far more defined divide between the politics of rural and metropolitan electorates as well as a divide in the politics of the tertiary educated versus the non-tertiary educated.. as opposed to the old world where the split was far more based on if you were an employee or an employer (very broadly speaking)

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Date: 10/02/2022 11:48:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1846960
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I listened to most of it till the wee hours, some labor person got up and was raving about how it was all the fault of white anglo saxon males, they were going alright up until then.

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Date: 10/02/2022 11:55:20
From: sibeen
ID: 1846962
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

diddly-squat said:

I wouldn’t be surprised is this happened… the laws were a hatchet job designed to “deliver on an election promise” and that’s about it.. It was simply about dog-whistling to an element of the LibNat base..

there is every chance they won’t be passed in the senate without significant changes anyway so if they pull the bill they get to take the moral high ground and say, it’s my way, or not at all..

I ain’t no expert but I wonder of the wisdom of playing to the base in a country where voting is compulsory. These people have to show up and they will no doubt preference the Coalition. Their problem is not with the base, it is with swinging, moderate voters. The great majority of Australians hate this Bill. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/majority-of-voters-reject-coalitions-proposal-to-allow-discrimination-on-basis-of-religious-belief-poll-suggests#_=_

I don’t disagree that for the most part the people that want this are nailed on LibNat voters anyway but I don’t necessarily agree with the point you are making. The issue here is that elements of the news media act as megaphones well past this specific issue and the fundamental demographics of the electorate are in flux. The aim here is to secure those elements that may not care specifically about “religious freedom” but have very strong feelings on “woke politics”.

I suspect that there are swathes of areas in western Sydney and northern Melbourne where the voters will overwhelmingly vote labor but would certainly support the bill in all its discriminatory splendour.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:05:29
From: Woodie
ID: 1846963
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

Mr buffy thinks the Government will withdraw the bill from the Senate now.

I wouldn’t be surprised is this happened… the laws were a hatchet job designed to “deliver on an election promise” and that’s about it.. It was simply about dog-whistling to an element of the LibNat base..

there is every chance they won’t be passed in the senate without significant changes anyway so if they pull the bill they get to take the moral high ground and say, it’s my way, or not at all..

It was more than that. It was a promise by Malcolm Turnbull to the looney right fringe the get their support for the same sex marriage plebiscite, of which they then set abot to do their damnest to get that to fail. The looney right are now calling in their debt.

This is twice they now have had this before the Senate at the last minute. It got dropped for a “re-work” last time, with no vote taken, IIRC.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:06:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1846964
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/religious-discrimination-bill-passes-lower-house-of-parliament/100818262

That’s 5 crossed the floor. Impressive.

I’m losing track of the discussion on this.

Is this bill getting through a good thing or a bad thing, or both or neither?

The bill is bullshit that shouldn’t exist, but was cobbled together as some sort of compensation to the religious NO side of the same-sex marriage battle.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:10:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846965
Subject: re: Aust Politics

is discrimination against atheists allowed

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:12:27
From: transition
ID: 1846966
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I listened to most of it till the wee hours, some labor person got up and was raving about how it was all the fault of white anglo saxon males, they were going alright up until then.

the white patriarchy card gets played a lot

more troubles in the view and tendencies that incline the west all to have the same troubles, so the US can look across the pacific (at Australia) and the social landscape conjured looks similar or same, UK similar influence from, no doubt reliable amount of investment comes from those countries, they (those invested or wanting to invest) wouldn’t like to feel Australia was strange in any way, potentially not amenable to the same modes of influence

the entire enterprise requires a type of decadence, it’s not all decadence of even mostly decadence, but it requires plenty of it, a reliable amount of it shared across those countries

it’s so bad considerable influence was applied and operated in this country to totally screw relations with China for example

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:16:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1846967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


is discrimination against atheists allowed

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:18:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1846968
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

is discrimination against atheists allowed

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:19:40
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1846969
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

it’s so bad considerable influence was applied and operated in this country to totally screw relations with China for example

Australia led the US in recognising the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:22:56
From: transition
ID: 1846970
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

it’s so bad considerable influence was applied and operated in this country to totally screw relations with China for example

Australia led the US in recognising the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

I don’t think it was all in response to belligerence, some of it was in response to China’s success and friendliness

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:23:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1846971
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Even hard-core Catholic Perrottet says the bill is unnecessary and should be scrapped.

Why? I suspect because he realizes that amendments may actually weaken the existing ability of religious schools to discriminate against staff and students.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:26:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846973
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

it’s so bad considerable influence was applied and operated in this country to totally screw relations with China for example

Australia led the US in inciting the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

true

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:26:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846975
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

Even hard-core Catholic Perrottet says the bill is unnecessary and should be scrapped.

Why? I suspect because he realizes that amendments may actually weaken the existing ability of religious schools to discriminate against staff and students.

slash trying to legitimise his fanatical NSWuhan government in a populist move

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:27:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1846976
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Even hard-core Catholic Perrottet says the bill is unnecessary and should be scrapped.

Why? I suspect because he realizes that amendments may actually weaken the existing ability of religious schools to discriminate against staff and students.

Just had an e-mail from Adam Bandt where he calls it “Morrison’s hate bill”

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:28:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846977
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

it’s so bad considerable influence was applied and operated in this country to totally screw relations with China for example

Australia led the US in recognising the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

I don’t think it was all in response to belligerence, some of it was in response to China’s success and friendliness

oh c’m‘on now let’s call a spade a 铲, everyone knows that according to the preemptive doctrine, any inferior country developing and modernising and growing and prospering is pretty much an explicit threat to start a fight

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:29:00
From: transition
ID: 1846978
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

it’s so bad considerable influence was applied and operated in this country to totally screw relations with China for example

Australia led the US in inciting the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

true

you probably ought not alter peoples text

so spank across back of the legs for you

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:31:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846979
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

not what Witty Rejoinder said:

Australia led the US in inciting the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

true

you probably ought not alter peoples text

so spank across back of the legs for you

true in our manic hysterics we forgot to fix it which we have now done

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:32:31
From: dv
ID: 1846983
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

is discrimination against atheists allowed

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

the tram engine?

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:33:37
From: dv
ID: 1846984
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Even hard-core Catholic Perrottet says the bill is unnecessary and should be scrapped.

Why? I suspect because he realizes that amendments may actually weaken the existing ability of religious schools to discriminate against staff and students.

He’s also got by-elections coming up and is already in a minority government

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:35:45
From: sibeen
ID: 1846986
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

is discrimination against atheists allowed

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

Who is Toby?

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:37:59
From: Woodie
ID: 1846989
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

Even hard-core Catholic Perrottet says the bill is unnecessary and should be scrapped.

Why? I suspect because he realizes that amendments may actually weaken the existing ability of religious schools to discriminate against staff and students.

He’s also got by-elections coming up and is already in a minority government

This Saturday, IIRC.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:47:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1846997
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

Who is Toby?

rowan Atkinson.

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:49:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1846999
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:49:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847000
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

Who is Toby?

rowan Atkinson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwIs10XvKA

Rowan Atkinson: Toby the Devil – We Are Most Amused and Amazed

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Date: 10/02/2022 12:49:32
From: sibeen
ID: 1847001
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

Who is Toby?

rowan Atkinson.

Aaaahhh.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:01:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847004
Subject: re: Aust Politics


The Auspol Bulletin
22 mins ·

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:03:17
From: buffy
ID: 1847006
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

the tram engine?

This reminded me of a story I read about a train, an accident, the train going on to Hell, I forget the next bit, I think someone got them out of Hell by saying something like “I don’t believe in you” and then they came back on the train back to the “real” world. Can anyone help me with title or author? I can’t for the life of me remember. I don’t think it’s all that long ago that I read it. Must have been fantasy or sci-fi.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:04:03
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847007
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

the tram engine?

The friendly lord of the underworld.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:06:28
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1847009
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

it’s so bad considerable influence was applied and operated in this country to totally screw relations with China for example

Australia led the US in recognising the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

I don’t think it was all in response to belligerence, some of it was in response to China’s success and friendliness

Yeah Lithuania is getting a lot of Chinese friendliness atm.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:06:50
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847010
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2022/feb/10/australias-4-unemployment-in-isolation-hides-whats-really-going-on-in-the-labour-market

Link

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:07:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847011
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well apparently it’s no problem to say they will end up in eternal damnation.

Except for gay atheists of course.

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

Who is Toby?

I’m sure I’ve posted this several times before, but anyway:

Welcome to Hell

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:09:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847012
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Mind you, according to Toby the Christians will end up there as well.

Who is Toby?

I’m sure I’ve posted this several times before, but anyway:

Welcome to Hell

sibeen is up the back, near the screaming, so you’ll have to shout.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:12:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847013
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Who is Toby?

I’m sure I’ve posted this several times before, but anyway:

Welcome to Hell

sibeen is up the back, near the screaming, so you’ll have to shout.

It’ll be good to catch up with all of you in real death when we are all down there.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:27:20
From: transition
ID: 1847016
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Australia led the US in recognising the dangers of increasing Chinese belligerence over the past 5 years.

I don’t think it was all in response to belligerence, some of it was in response to China’s success and friendliness

Yeah Lithuania is getting a lot of Chinese friendliness atm.

I nearly wrote it ‘friendliness’, perhaps should have in hindsight given the presumed universality of the quality and concept

don’t get me wrong, more I am of a view that seeing something bad of whatever makes it all bad, entirely bad, that’s probably going to result in conceptual distortion, to result in underestimations and overestimation

foe or adversary if you will, but underestimation (of any good, to dismiss it) probably works more for hostile outcomes

while we’re banging on about China here the monstrosity of wealth disparity in a lot of free countries gets worse, much worse

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:34:10
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1847017
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

I don’t think it was all in response to belligerence, some of it was in response to China’s success and friendliness

Yeah Lithuania is getting a lot of Chinese friendliness atm.

I nearly wrote it ‘friendliness’, perhaps should have in hindsight given the presumed universality of the quality and concept

don’t get me wrong, more I am of a view that seeing something bad of whatever makes it all bad, entirely bad, that’s probably going to result in conceptual distortion, to result in underestimations and overestimation

foe or adversary if you will, but underestimation (of any good, to dismiss it) probably works more for hostile outcomes

while we’re banging on about China here the monstrosity of wealth disparity in a lot of free countries gets worse, much worse

China is considerably more unequal than the OECD average:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213020915000518#:~:text=China’s%20average%20Gini%20coefficient%20of,most%20typical%20market%20socialist%20country.

It would be nice if they could address that without doing with presidents for life.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:34:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847018
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

I don’t think it was all in response to belligerence, some of it was in response to China’s success and friendliness

Yeah Lithuania is getting a lot of Chinese friendliness atm.

I nearly wrote it ‘friendliness’, perhaps should have in hindsight given the presumed universality of the quality and concept

don’t get me wrong, more I am of a view that seeing something bad of whatever makes it all bad, entirely bad, that’s probably going to result in conceptual distortion, to result in underestimations and overestimation

foe or adversary if you will, but underestimation (of any good, to dismiss it) probably works more for hostile outcomes

while we’re banging on about China here the monstrosity of wealth disparity in a lot of free countries gets worse, much worse

if we crush CHINA and take all their productivity for ourselves then it will help lift our own poverty out

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:38:36
From: transition
ID: 1847020
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah Lithuania is getting a lot of Chinese friendliness atm.

I nearly wrote it ‘friendliness’, perhaps should have in hindsight given the presumed universality of the quality and concept

don’t get me wrong, more I am of a view that seeing something bad of whatever makes it all bad, entirely bad, that’s probably going to result in conceptual distortion, to result in underestimations and overestimation

foe or adversary if you will, but underestimation (of any good, to dismiss it) probably works more for hostile outcomes

while we’re banging on about China here the monstrosity of wealth disparity in a lot of free countries gets worse, much worse

China is considerably more unequal than the OECD average:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213020915000518#:~:text=China’s%20average%20Gini%20coefficient%20of,most%20typical%20market%20socialist%20country.

It would be nice if they could address that without doing with presidents for life.

I wasn’t comparing, it wasn’t an invitation to compare

I was saying some of the more liberal countries have a serious problem with wealth inequities, grotesque inequities, and the influence of the wealth goes across the globe, across national borders, it cares not about the wealth inequalities, has an interest in sustaining them and the inequalities increasing perhaps

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:39:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847021
Subject: re: Aust Politics

a completion of what Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah Lithuania is getting a lot of Chinese friendliness atm.

I nearly wrote it ‘friendliness’, perhaps should have in hindsight given the presumed universality of the quality and concept

don’t get me wrong, more I am of a view that seeing something bad of whatever makes it all bad, entirely bad, that’s probably going to result in conceptual distortion, to result in underestimations and overestimation

foe or adversary if you will, but underestimation (of any good, to dismiss it) probably works more for hostile outcomes

while we’re banging on about China here the monstrosity of wealth disparity in a lot of free countries gets worse, much worse

China is considerably more unequal than the OECD average:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213020915000518#:~:text=China’s%20average%20Gini%20coefficient%20of,most%20typical%20market%20socialist%20country.

Graph 3.3 shows the general trend of China’s Gini coefficient in recent 12 years. The Gini coefficient peaked to 0.491 in 2008, began to decline since 2010, and reached to 0.469 in 2014. Though falling fast, the current Gini coefficient is still higher than 0.4, the warning line of inequality. The most serious is we have a long distance (0.06) away from America, the most typical market capitalist country. According to the pace achieved through 5 years 0.02 (0.49–0.47 between 2009 and 2014), we need 15 years to chase America by Gini coefficient.

It would be nice if they could address that without doing with presidents for life.

lookin’good

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:40:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847022
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

I nearly wrote it ‘friendliness’, perhaps should have in hindsight given the presumed universality of the quality and concept

don’t get me wrong, more I am of a view that seeing something bad of whatever makes it all bad, entirely bad, that’s probably going to result in conceptual distortion, to result in underestimations and overestimation

foe or adversary if you will, but underestimation (of any good, to dismiss it) probably works more for hostile outcomes

while we’re banging on about China here the monstrosity of wealth disparity in a lot of free countries gets worse, much worse

China is considerably more unequal than the OECD average:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213020915000518#:~:text=China’s%20average%20Gini%20coefficient%20of,most%20typical%20market%20socialist%20country.

It would be nice if they could address that without doing with presidents for life.

I wasn’t comparing, it wasn’t an invitation to compare

I was saying some of the more liberal countries have a serious problem with wealth inequities, grotesque inequities, and the influence of the wealth goes across the globe, across national borders, it cares not about the wealth inequalities, has an interest in sustaining them and the inequalities increasing perhaps

yeah but why should we fix our problems when CHINA are worse, Labor are worse, atheists are worse, vaccinated are worse

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:41:59
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1847023
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/government-consults-religious-groups-discrimination-bill/100818568

Government shelves religious freedom bill indefinitely, leaving election promise hanging in uncertainty

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:43:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847024
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tasmanian education minister Sarah Courtney quits politics following French vacation criticism

Courtney will resign after drawing criticism for holiday in France as Tasmanian schools prepared to reopen amid Covid concerns

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/10/tasmanian-education-minister-sarah-courtney-quits-politics-following-french-vacation-criticism

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:46:31
From: Michael V
ID: 1847025
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:



The Auspol Bulletin
22 mins ·

Cool. Lets hope that happens.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:47:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847026
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


a completion of what Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

I nearly wrote it ‘friendliness’, perhaps should have in hindsight given the presumed universality of the quality and concept

don’t get me wrong, more I am of a view that seeing something bad of whatever makes it all bad, entirely bad, that’s probably going to result in conceptual distortion, to result in underestimations and overestimation

foe or adversary if you will, but underestimation (of any good, to dismiss it) probably works more for hostile outcomes

while we’re banging on about China here the monstrosity of wealth disparity in a lot of free countries gets worse, much worse

China is considerably more unequal than the OECD average:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213020915000518#:~:text=China’s%20average%20Gini%20coefficient%20of,most%20typical%20market%20socialist%20country.

Graph 3.3 shows the general trend of China’s Gini coefficient in recent 12 years. The Gini coefficient peaked to 0.491 in 2008, began to decline since 2010, and reached to 0.469 in 2014. Though falling fast, the current Gini coefficient is still higher than 0.4, the warning line of inequality. The most serious is we have a long distance (0.06) away from America, the most typical market capitalist country. According to the pace achieved through 5 years 0.02 (0.49–0.47 between 2009 and 2014), we need 15 years to chase America by Gini coefficient.

It would be nice if they could address that without doing with presidents for life.

lookin’good

“ long distance (0.06) away from America, the most typical market capitalist country”

hmmm.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:51:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847027
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

a completion of what Witty Rejoinder said:

China is considerably more unequal than the OECD average:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213020915000518#:~:text=China’s%20average%20Gini%20coefficient%20of,most%20typical%20market%20socialist%20country.

Graph 3.3 shows the general trend of China’s Gini coefficient in recent 12 years. The Gini coefficient peaked to 0.491 in 2008, began to decline since 2010, and reached to 0.469 in 2014. Though falling fast, the current Gini coefficient is still higher than 0.4, the warning line of inequality. The most serious is we have a long distance (0.06) away from America, the most typical market capitalist country. According to the pace achieved through 5 years 0.02 (0.49–0.47 between 2009 and 2014), we need 15 years to chase America by Gini coefficient.

It would be nice if they could address that without doing with presidents for life.

lookin’good

“ long distance (0.06) away from America, the most typical market capitalist country”

hmmm.

depends on what you want hey

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:57:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1847028
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/government-consults-religious-groups-discrimination-bill/100818568

Government shelves religious freedom bill indefinitely, leaving election promise hanging in uncertainty

Good.

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Date: 10/02/2022 13:59:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847029
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


diddly-squat said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/government-consults-religious-groups-discrimination-bill/100818568

Government shelves religious freedom bill indefinitely, leaving election promise hanging in uncertainty

Good.

But is it?

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:00:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847030
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


diddly-squat said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/government-consults-religious-groups-discrimination-bill/100818568

Government shelves religious freedom bill indefinitely, leaving election promise hanging in uncertainty

Good.

In the too hard basket with the federal icac bill.

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:07:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847031
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

depends on what you want hey


Ooh, i do love a nice graph, especially one that offers no information at all about what it represents.

Such fun, guessing what it might be.

Rise of disposable average income in China?

Consumption of pepperoni pizza in Lichtenstein?

Growth of lichen on a rock in a Costa Rican rainforest?

So many possibilities!

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:08:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1847032
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/government-consults-religious-groups-discrimination-bill/100818568

Government shelves religious freedom bill indefinitely, leaving election promise hanging in uncertainty

Good.

But is it?

By my reckoning.

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:08:52
From: Michael V
ID: 1847033
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

depends on what you want hey


Ooh, i do love a nice graph, especially one that offers no information at all about what it represents.

Such fun, guessing what it might be.

Rise of disposable average income in China?

Consumption of pepperoni pizza in Lichtenstein?

Growth of lichen on a rock in a Costa Rican rainforest?

So many possibilities!

:)

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:12:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847034
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

depends on what you want hey


Ooh, i do love a nice graph, especially one that offers no information at all about what it represents.

Such fun, guessing what it might be.

Rise of disposable average income in China?

Consumption of pepperoni pizza in Lichtenstein?

Growth of lichen on a rock in a Costa Rican rainforest?

So many possibilities!

:)

right but as with anything else taken out of context, it may be that relevant contextual information was important, anyway we guess that was a different conversation

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:26:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847037
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Ooh, i do love a nice graph, especially one that offers no information at all about what it represents.

Such fun, guessing what it might be.

Rise of disposable average income in China?

Consumption of pepperoni pizza in Lichtenstein?

Growth of lichen on a rock in a Costa Rican rainforest?

So many possibilities!

:)

right but as with anything else taken out of context, it may be that relevant contextual information was important, anyway we guess that was a different conversation

That’s almost as much help as the graph (i.e. not an awful lot).

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:29:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847039
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

friendliness

Chinese visitors ‘love Australian products’

Pre-pandemic, the largest group of overseas visitors to Australia was from China — accounting for more than 15 per cent of arrivals between July 2018 and June 2019.

Chinese visitors were by far the biggest spenders too. They spent a total of $11.92 billion during that period, compared to $3.99 billion by American visitors and $2.05 billion by Japanese tourists.

“Chinese visitors are big spenders they love Australian products,” said Chrystal Zhang, a tourism expert at RMIT University. “They take back a lot of Australian products — the vitamin products, the wine, all the other things.”

Dr Zhang said that pre-COVID, several Australian airlines and nine Chinese carriers had operated direct flights between Sydney or Melbourne — and not only major cities like Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou, but also regional hubs like Xi’an and Qingdao. It was “very exceptional” to see an airline market between two countries accommodate more than 10 airlines, Dr Zhang said. Today, only two of the previous nine Chinese carriers — China Southern and China Eastern — are operating flights to Australia.

Fuck CHINA and their friendly pouring money into the Australian Economy Must Grow¡

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:30:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847040
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

:)

right but as with anything else taken out of context, it may be that relevant contextual information was important, anyway we guess that was a different conversation

That’s almost as much help as the graph (i.e. not an awful lot).

yeah but as with different conversations, you had to be there

like someone said something about CHINA, there was a graph, someone else said something from what was said, about DPRNA, and there was another graph

srettam txetnoc

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Date: 10/02/2022 14:53:25
From: dv
ID: 1847047
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Wedge grenade is a terrible phrase. So inelegant.

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Date: 10/02/2022 15:15:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847049
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Wedge grenade is a terrible phrase. So inelegant.

Shim shell.

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Date: 10/02/2022 15:34:51
From: buffy
ID: 1847056
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

right but as with anything else taken out of context, it may be that relevant contextual information was important, anyway we guess that was a different conversation

That’s almost as much help as the graph (i.e. not an awful lot).

yeah but as with different conversations, you had to be there

like someone said something about CHINA, there was a graph, someone else said something from what was said, about DPRNA, and there was another graph

srettam txetnoc

As do labels on graphs.

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Date: 10/02/2022 15:40:42
From: buffy
ID: 1847058
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

Oh dear. The Senate is not in a kindly mood.

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Date: 10/02/2022 15:46:59
From: buffy
ID: 1847060
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

Oh dear. The Senate is not in a kindly mood.

Ah….now I’ve read most of the piece, I “get” it.

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

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Date: 10/02/2022 16:57:55
From: Michael V
ID: 1847086
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

Oh dear. The Senate is not in a kindly mood.

Another bit of dreadful legislation.

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Date: 10/02/2022 17:57:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847122
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:

As do labels on graphs.

what

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Date: 10/02/2022 20:42:50
From: party_pants
ID: 1847200
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Have we done this one yet?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/russian-agent-suspect-foreign-interference-australian-election/100819910

Wonder who it is….

Name names, son!

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Date: 10/02/2022 20:56:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

Have we done this one yet?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/russian-agent-suspect-foreign-interference-australian-election/100819910

Wonder who it is….

Name names, son!

what if we’re 16 though

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Date: 10/02/2022 21:05:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847219
Subject: re: Aust Politics

We mean just because the arsehole is a closet fascist doesn’t mean that Labor aren’t just part of the CCP.

Peter Dutton has plumbed new and dangerous depths by suggesting China is backing Labor

We now see evidence, Mr Speaker, that the Chinese Communist party, the Chinese government, has also made a decision about who they’re going to back in the next federal election, Mr Speaker, and that is open and that is obvious, and they have picked this bloke as that candidate,” Dutton said.

This was by no means an accidental line. Morrison used similar but vaguer language when stating “those who are seeking to coerce Australia” knew that “their candidate” in the election was “the leader of the Labor party”. The implication of these carefully crafted statements was clear – Labor would go soft on China and had Beijing’s backing.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/10/peter-dutton-has-plumbed-new-and-dangerous-depths-by-suggesting-china-is-backing-labor

sorry we misspoke

We mean just because Corruption are a bunch of overt fascists doesn’t mean that they aren’t just Russian assets.

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Date: 10/02/2022 21:42:09
From: buffy
ID: 1847230
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/scott-morrison-rocked-cabinet-meeting-leak/100821552

They are falling apart at the seams.

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Date: 10/02/2022 21:42:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/next-fight-looms-as-religious-bills-shelved-after-liberals-split-20220210-p59vgp.html

Link

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Date: 11/02/2022 07:19:35
From: buffy
ID: 1847293
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/religious-discrimination-morrison-backfired/100820422

Michelle Grattan.

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Date: 11/02/2022 08:12:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1847295
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/religious-discrimination-morrison-backfired/100820422

Michelle Grattan.


Scott Morrison made three foolish and arrogant assumptions this week when he tried to push his controversial religious discrimination legislation through parliament.

*True.

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Date: 11/02/2022 09:53:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1847314
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Defence Minister Peter Dutton told the ABC the defeat was unexpected because MPs had given their word they would not cross the floor.

“He was frankly, I think, misled,” Mr Dutton said.

“There were undertakings that were given, the undertaking wasn’t honoured.

>Ha ha ha.

If Dutton thinks like that, he will be the second slowest wildebeast in the herd. Scomo being the slowest of said beasts.

and Susan is the next slowest.

“What I do say is this is the most cohesive cabinet,” Ms Ley told ABC News Breakfast.

“It is a cabinet where everything is well considered and well discussed, and there is great collegiality.

“Prime Minister Morrison has shown the strongest leadership in any cabinet I’ve worked for.”

Again, Ha Ha Ha.

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Date: 11/02/2022 10:05:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847319
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

Defence Minister Peter Dutton told the ABC the defeat was unexpected because MPs had given their word they would not cross the floor.

“He was frankly, I think, misled,” Mr Dutton said.

“There were undertakings that were given, the undertaking wasn’t honoured.

>Ha ha ha.

If Dutton thinks like that, he will be the second slowest wildebeast in the herd. Scomo being the slowest of said beasts.

and Susan is the next slowest.

“What I do say is this is the most cohesive cabinet,” Ms Ley told ABC News Breakfast.

“It is a cabinet where everything is well considered and well discussed, and there is great collegiality.

“Prime Minister Morrison has shown the strongest leadership in any cabinet I’ve worked for.”

Again, Ha Ha Ha.

clearly it’s true, Morrison has shown the strongest leadership in any cabinet he’s worked for

but yes for someone who makes a lifestyle out of lying, seems pretty retarded to fail to get that anyone else might

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Date: 11/02/2022 10:08:01
From: sibeen
ID: 1847320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The last time a Victorian Labor MP crossed the floor, John Cain was the Premier and the AFL was still called the VFL.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/victorian-labors-upper-house-woes-election-year-somyurek/100821070

I’ll admit that does annoy me about the Labor party.

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Date: 11/02/2022 12:12:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847374
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian to take up new role at Optus’

Good to see that she’s found a job with an outfit that will really appreciate her talent for bad decisions and stuffing things up.

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Date: 11/02/2022 12:26:11
From: Michael V
ID: 1847383
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

‘Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian to take up new role at Optus’

Good to see that she’s found a job with an outfit that will really appreciate her talent for bad decisions and stuffing things up.

Yeah, but she knows many people who might want their Christmas Party Fund topped up.

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Date: 11/02/2022 12:57:03
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1847393
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/morrison-misled-by-moderate-liberals-on-religious-discrimination/100821902

seems to me that Scott’s guys are not very good at reading the tea leaves – how could he not have known the vote would be defeated?

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:17:09
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1847397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So when do you think Dutton will make his move?

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:18:41
From: buffy
ID: 1847398
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dark Orange said:

So when do you think Dutton will make his move?

It’s a bit difficult this close to an election. I asked Mr buffy who else the Libs have got that could go leader at this stage and jokingly suggested Michaelia. He said he thought it entirely possible, so that when they lose she can be blamed.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:20:28
From: buffy
ID: 1847399
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

Ah, no children overboard this time. It’s going to be make them scared of foreigners is it…

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:20:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847400
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dark Orange said:

So when do you think Dutton will make his move?

facebook says that twitter says…

Jacoby
@adamajacoby
Murdoch has decided. Morrison is finished. All the RWNJs out with knives today. Dutton is looking for a spill this weekend #auspol
5:55 PM · Feb 10, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:21:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847401
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Get you a Prime Minister who can do both (sing the same verse of April Sun In Cuba twice)
https://twitter.com/JoshButler/status/1491934376330149889

(Actually impressed he can keep time.)

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:23:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847402
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

Ah, no children overboard this time. It’s going to be make them scared of foreigners is it…

Dont the Liberals have a card carrying Chinese type?

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:29:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847403
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Link

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:32:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1847404
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

Ah, no children overboard this time. It’s going to be make them scared of foreigners is it…

Dont the Liberals have a card carrying Chinese type?

Was a kerfuffle about Gladys Liu last election.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:35:43
From: buffy
ID: 1847405
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Link

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.

I read about this. I don’t think they expected that. Mucking around with regulations instead of legislation.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:35:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847406
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Link

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.

Couldn’t read that.

So what was so reprehensible about Josh’s regulations?

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:36:37
From: buffy
ID: 1847407
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Link

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.

Couldn’t read that.

So what was so reprehensible about Josh’s regulations?

They were designed to push out the industry super people. According to the ABC piece from yesterday. I’ll see if I can find it.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:37:30
From: buffy
ID: 1847408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Link

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.

Couldn’t read that.

So what was so reprehensible about Josh’s regulations?

They were designed to push out the industry super people. According to the ABC piece from yesterday. I’ll see if I can find it.

Here you go. You have to read a fair way down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:38:30
From: buffy
ID: 1847409
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couldn’t read that.

So what was so reprehensible about Josh’s regulations?

They were designed to push out the industry super people. According to the ABC piece from yesterday. I’ll see if I can find it.

Here you go. You have to read a fair way down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:40:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847410
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Link

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.

Couldn’t read that.

So what was so reprehensible about Josh’s regulations?

Joe Aston writes:

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.
This vindictive regime, which the Treasurer snuck into the Corporations Act in the week before Christmas, was in operation for just three days. The dolt from Kooyong even established a whole new capability inside the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to police four companies that employ 30 people and generate $5 million of revenue, and it has been decommissioned after 72 hours on the beat. For bureaucratic superfluity, it is certainly Frydenberg’s personal best, but it may even be a world record.

The contempt he showed for his own parliamentary colleagues by using deferred powers to spirit these regulations into law is genuinely shocking. Liberal MPs can now plainly see there are no lengths Frydenberg won’t go to, no goose chase too outlandish, for his personal lawyers at Arnold Bloch Leibler and their clients way out on the wacko fringes of the Australian sharemarket.

The Treasurer diverted the entire government down a sideshow alley to pursue the revenge fantasy of a law firm. This manifestly takes precedence over Liberal ideals in his hierarchy of actions.

You could say the same for the so-called free marketeers of the Senate who voted to keep the regulations, including the tinder-dry Dean Smith, James Paterson of the Institute of Public Affairs or the intergalactically dim Andrew Bragg. How do they call themselves defenders of small business or liberal markets?

Indeed, only a Treasurer who had pissed away $20 billion of public money in unintended fiscal stimulus via JobKeeper could waste this much time and energy on something as small as kneecapping four little proxy houses that irritate his mates.

Frydenberg’s humiliation is total. His complete lack of political judgment has been exposed for all to see. He would be profoundly embarrassed, were he capable of embarrassment.

There he was whispering down the phone to Pauline Hanson in the dying minutes, begging for her vote (that’s nothing – he was in Darwin lobbying crossbench senator Sam McMahon last week). When it was clear he’d lost One Nation, he had Senate leader Simon Birmingham attempt a procedural motion to delay the disallowance vote then, when that failed, a motion to allow debate so the Coalition could filibuster to the end of the sitting week. Over this!
Why did this matter so much? Because it was about so little. Because Frydenberg has no other agenda. There is no other economic legislation in the Parliament!

The Morrison government really is stupendous. The decks don’t need to be cleared when they’ve been deserted for three years.

Even in defeat, the Treasurer was embarrassing himself. His was the press release of a student councillor, labouring the same old tropes about big super and the Greens, like Alec Baldwin at the end of Team America spluttering “ah, it’s global warming and, er, ah, corporate America” before Kim Jong-il put him out of his misery.

Frydenberg can memorise artless debating points but his advocacy disintegrates when it collides with any policy complexity or requires any verifiable detail. Because he is lighter than helium.

Undergraduate antics might work on breakfast television or FM radio, where Frydenberg is most at home, but they failed him in the Senate. Even the loopiest corner of the crossbench could see right through him.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:45:50
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1847412
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Link

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.

Couldn’t read that.

So what was so reprehensible about Josh’s regulations?

Joe Aston writes:

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.
This vindictive regime, which the Treasurer snuck into the Corporations Act in the week before Christmas, was in operation for just three days. The dolt from Kooyong even established a whole new capability inside the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to police four companies that employ 30 people and generate $5 million of revenue, and it has been decommissioned after 72 hours on the beat. For bureaucratic superfluity, it is certainly Frydenberg’s personal best, but it may even be a world record.

The contempt he showed for his own parliamentary colleagues by using deferred powers to spirit these regulations into law is genuinely shocking. Liberal MPs can now plainly see there are no lengths Frydenberg won’t go to, no goose chase too outlandish, for his personal lawyers at Arnold Bloch Leibler and their clients way out on the wacko fringes of the Australian sharemarket.

The Treasurer diverted the entire government down a sideshow alley to pursue the revenge fantasy of a law firm. This manifestly takes precedence over Liberal ideals in his hierarchy of actions.

You could say the same for the so-called free marketeers of the Senate who voted to keep the regulations, including the tinder-dry Dean Smith, James Paterson of the Institute of Public Affairs or the intergalactically dim Andrew Bragg. How do they call themselves defenders of small business or liberal markets?

Indeed, only a Treasurer who had pissed away $20 billion of public money in unintended fiscal stimulus via JobKeeper could waste this much time and energy on something as small as kneecapping four little proxy houses that irritate his mates.

Frydenberg’s humiliation is total. His complete lack of political judgment has been exposed for all to see. He would be profoundly embarrassed, were he capable of embarrassment.

There he was whispering down the phone to Pauline Hanson in the dying minutes, begging for her vote (that’s nothing – he was in Darwin lobbying crossbench senator Sam McMahon last week). When it was clear he’d lost One Nation, he had Senate leader Simon Birmingham attempt a procedural motion to delay the disallowance vote then, when that failed, a motion to allow debate so the Coalition could filibuster to the end of the sitting week. Over this!
Why did this matter so much? Because it was about so little. Because Frydenberg has no other agenda. There is no other economic legislation in the Parliament!

The Morrison government really is stupendous. The decks don’t need to be cleared when they’ve been deserted for three years.

Even in defeat, the Treasurer was embarrassing himself. His was the press release of a student councillor, labouring the same old tropes about big super and the Greens, like Alec Baldwin at the end of Team America spluttering “ah, it’s global warming and, er, ah, corporate America” before Kim Jong-il put him out of his misery.

Frydenberg can memorise artless debating points but his advocacy disintegrates when it collides with any policy complexity or requires any verifiable detail. Because he is lighter than helium.

Undergraduate antics might work on breakfast television or FM radio, where Frydenberg is most at home, but they failed him in the Senate. Even the loopiest corner of the crossbench could see right through him.

The dolt from Kooyong…….LOL
Where the hell do you get these crazy rants from.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:48:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847413
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couldn’t read that.

So what was so reprehensible about Josh’s regulations?

Joe Aston writes:

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.
This vindictive regime, which the Treasurer snuck into the Corporations Act in the week before Christmas, was in operation for just three days. The dolt from Kooyong even established a whole new capability inside the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to police four companies that employ 30 people and generate $5 million of revenue, and it has been decommissioned after 72 hours on the beat. For bureaucratic superfluity, it is certainly Frydenberg’s personal best, but it may even be a world record.

The contempt he showed for his own parliamentary colleagues by using deferred powers to spirit these regulations into law is genuinely shocking. Liberal MPs can now plainly see there are no lengths Frydenberg won’t go to, no goose chase too outlandish, for his personal lawyers at Arnold Bloch Leibler and their clients way out on the wacko fringes of the Australian sharemarket.

The Treasurer diverted the entire government down a sideshow alley to pursue the revenge fantasy of a law firm. This manifestly takes precedence over Liberal ideals in his hierarchy of actions.

You could say the same for the so-called free marketeers of the Senate who voted to keep the regulations, including the tinder-dry Dean Smith, James Paterson of the Institute of Public Affairs or the intergalactically dim Andrew Bragg. How do they call themselves defenders of small business or liberal markets?

Indeed, only a Treasurer who had pissed away $20 billion of public money in unintended fiscal stimulus via JobKeeper could waste this much time and energy on something as small as kneecapping four little proxy houses that irritate his mates.

Frydenberg’s humiliation is total. His complete lack of political judgment has been exposed for all to see. He would be profoundly embarrassed, were he capable of embarrassment.

There he was whispering down the phone to Pauline Hanson in the dying minutes, begging for her vote (that’s nothing – he was in Darwin lobbying crossbench senator Sam McMahon last week). When it was clear he’d lost One Nation, he had Senate leader Simon Birmingham attempt a procedural motion to delay the disallowance vote then, when that failed, a motion to allow debate so the Coalition could filibuster to the end of the sitting week. Over this!
Why did this matter so much? Because it was about so little. Because Frydenberg has no other agenda. There is no other economic legislation in the Parliament!

The Morrison government really is stupendous. The decks don’t need to be cleared when they’ve been deserted for three years.

Even in defeat, the Treasurer was embarrassing himself. His was the press release of a student councillor, labouring the same old tropes about big super and the Greens, like Alec Baldwin at the end of Team America spluttering “ah, it’s global warming and, er, ah, corporate America” before Kim Jong-il put him out of his misery.

Frydenberg can memorise artless debating points but his advocacy disintegrates when it collides with any policy complexity or requires any verifiable detail. Because he is lighter than helium.

Undergraduate antics might work on breakfast television or FM radio, where Frydenberg is most at home, but they failed him in the Senate. Even the loopiest corner of the crossbench could see right through him.

The dolt from Kooyong…….LOL
Where the hell do you get these crazy rants from.

from the link above.

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:50:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1847414
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

Joe Aston writes:

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.
This vindictive regime, which the Treasurer snuck into the Corporations Act in the week before Christmas, was in operation for just three days. The dolt from Kooyong even established a whole new capability inside the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to police four companies that employ 30 people and generate $5 million of revenue, and it has been decommissioned after 72 hours on the beat. For bureaucratic superfluity, it is certainly Frydenberg’s personal best, but it may even be a world record.

The contempt he showed for his own parliamentary colleagues by using deferred powers to spirit these regulations into law is genuinely shocking. Liberal MPs can now plainly see there are no lengths Frydenberg won’t go to, no goose chase too outlandish, for his personal lawyers at Arnold Bloch Leibler and their clients way out on the wacko fringes of the Australian sharemarket.

The Treasurer diverted the entire government down a sideshow alley to pursue the revenge fantasy of a law firm. This manifestly takes precedence over Liberal ideals in his hierarchy of actions.

You could say the same for the so-called free marketeers of the Senate who voted to keep the regulations, including the tinder-dry Dean Smith, James Paterson of the Institute of Public Affairs or the intergalactically dim Andrew Bragg. How do they call themselves defenders of small business or liberal markets?

Indeed, only a Treasurer who had pissed away $20 billion of public money in unintended fiscal stimulus via JobKeeper could waste this much time and energy on something as small as kneecapping four little proxy houses that irritate his mates.

Frydenberg’s humiliation is total. His complete lack of political judgment has been exposed for all to see. He would be profoundly embarrassed, were he capable of embarrassment.

There he was whispering down the phone to Pauline Hanson in the dying minutes, begging for her vote (that’s nothing – he was in Darwin lobbying crossbench senator Sam McMahon last week). When it was clear he’d lost One Nation, he had Senate leader Simon Birmingham attempt a procedural motion to delay the disallowance vote then, when that failed, a motion to allow debate so the Coalition could filibuster to the end of the sitting week. Over this!
Why did this matter so much? Because it was about so little. Because Frydenberg has no other agenda. There is no other economic legislation in the Parliament!

The Morrison government really is stupendous. The decks don’t need to be cleared when they’ve been deserted for three years.

Even in defeat, the Treasurer was embarrassing himself. His was the press release of a student councillor, labouring the same old tropes about big super and the Greens, like Alec Baldwin at the end of Team America spluttering “ah, it’s global warming and, er, ah, corporate America” before Kim Jong-il put him out of his misery.

Frydenberg can memorise artless debating points but his advocacy disintegrates when it collides with any policy complexity or requires any verifiable detail. Because he is lighter than helium.

Undergraduate antics might work on breakfast television or FM radio, where Frydenberg is most at home, but they failed him in the Senate. Even the loopiest corner of the crossbench could see right through him.

The dolt from Kooyong…….LOL
Where the hell do you get these crazy rants from.

from the link above.

Damn leftists at the AFR!

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Date: 11/02/2022 13:50:39
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1847415
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

Joe Aston writes:

Josh Frydenberg’s reprehensible regulatory ambush of the proxy advice sector was disallowed by the Australian Senate on Thursday morning, with independent Rex Patrick leading the entire crossbench to quash the new rules.
This vindictive regime, which the Treasurer snuck into the Corporations Act in the week before Christmas, was in operation for just three days. The dolt from Kooyong even established a whole new capability inside the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to police four companies that employ 30 people and generate $5 million of revenue, and it has been decommissioned after 72 hours on the beat. For bureaucratic superfluity, it is certainly Frydenberg’s personal best, but it may even be a world record.

The contempt he showed for his own parliamentary colleagues by using deferred powers to spirit these regulations into law is genuinely shocking. Liberal MPs can now plainly see there are no lengths Frydenberg won’t go to, no goose chase too outlandish, for his personal lawyers at Arnold Bloch Leibler and their clients way out on the wacko fringes of the Australian sharemarket.

The Treasurer diverted the entire government down a sideshow alley to pursue the revenge fantasy of a law firm. This manifestly takes precedence over Liberal ideals in his hierarchy of actions.

You could say the same for the so-called free marketeers of the Senate who voted to keep the regulations, including the tinder-dry Dean Smith, James Paterson of the Institute of Public Affairs or the intergalactically dim Andrew Bragg. How do they call themselves defenders of small business or liberal markets?

Indeed, only a Treasurer who had pissed away $20 billion of public money in unintended fiscal stimulus via JobKeeper could waste this much time and energy on something as small as kneecapping four little proxy houses that irritate his mates.

Frydenberg’s humiliation is total. His complete lack of political judgment has been exposed for all to see. He would be profoundly embarrassed, were he capable of embarrassment.

There he was whispering down the phone to Pauline Hanson in the dying minutes, begging for her vote (that’s nothing – he was in Darwin lobbying crossbench senator Sam McMahon last week). When it was clear he’d lost One Nation, he had Senate leader Simon Birmingham attempt a procedural motion to delay the disallowance vote then, when that failed, a motion to allow debate so the Coalition could filibuster to the end of the sitting week. Over this!
Why did this matter so much? Because it was about so little. Because Frydenberg has no other agenda. There is no other economic legislation in the Parliament!

The Morrison government really is stupendous. The decks don’t need to be cleared when they’ve been deserted for three years.

Even in defeat, the Treasurer was embarrassing himself. His was the press release of a student councillor, labouring the same old tropes about big super and the Greens, like Alec Baldwin at the end of Team America spluttering “ah, it’s global warming and, er, ah, corporate America” before Kim Jong-il put him out of his misery.

Frydenberg can memorise artless debating points but his advocacy disintegrates when it collides with any policy complexity or requires any verifiable detail. Because he is lighter than helium.

Undergraduate antics might work on breakfast television or FM radio, where Frydenberg is most at home, but they failed him in the Senate. Even the loopiest corner of the crossbench could see right through him.

The dolt from Kooyong…….LOL
Where the hell do you get these crazy rants from.

from the link above.

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:07:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1847418
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The dolt from Kooyong…….LOL
Where the hell do you get these crazy rants from.

from the link above.

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Apparently his abusive style gets him into trouble.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:10:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847419
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Increasingly the Prime Minister is looking like the slowest wildebeest in the herd.”

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:12:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847420
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

They were designed to push out the industry super people. According to the ABC piece from yesterday. I’ll see if I can find it.

Here you go. You have to read a fair way down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

On the face of it, it doesn’t sound that reprehensible.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:12:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847421
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


“Increasingly the Prime Minister is looking like the slowest wildebeest in the herd.”

And you know what happens to the stragglers…

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:18:25
From: Michael V
ID: 1847425
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

Here you go. You have to read a fair way down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

On the face of it, it doesn’t sound that reprehensible.

Except the super funds were starting to move money away from ecologically unsustainable companies. Couldn’t have that now, could we?

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:19:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847426
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

Ah, no children overboard this time. It’s going to be make them scared of foreigners is it…

Dont the Liberals have a card carrying Chinese type?

Now is not the time for that discussion, as the PM would say.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:19:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847427
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

On the face of it, it doesn’t sound that reprehensible.

Except the super funds were starting to move money away from ecologically unsustainable companies. Couldn’t have that now, could we?

And they were also being profitable in doing that. Disgusting.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:20:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847428
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Shovel:

‘Gladys Berejiklian says she has no recollection of being hired by Optus ‘

and

‘Optus announces new $50m clay target shooting range at Sydney headquarters ‘

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:22:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847429
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

On the face of it, it doesn’t sound that reprehensible.

Except the super funds were starting to move money away from ecologically unsustainable companies. Couldn’t have that now, could we?

Looks like there are vested interests all over the place here.

I think what super funds do with their money will make bugger all difference to GHG emissions though.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:22:36
From: party_pants
ID: 1847430
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

On the face of it, it doesn’t sound that reprehensible.

Except the super funds were starting to move money away from ecologically unsustainable companies. Couldn’t have that now, could we?

There is a bit of angst about industry super funds versus retail super funds in the far right economic liberalist camp. Industry super funds tend to include union appointed board members, and their boards have a duty to act in the best interests of the members. They are not part of the old school boys social club that dominates big business.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:24:27
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1847431
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Spiny Norman said:

JudgeMental said:

from the link above.

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Apparently his abusive style gets him into trouble.

I was just posting the link, no casting judgement but if you want to go that way …

https://www.patreon.com/posts/huge-list-of-all-33473584

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism-a/

https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

Remember that I too used to be a staunch LNP supporter, but years ago I finally accepted the masses of evidence that they really just a bunch of crooks & con-men.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:37:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1847432
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

https://www.afr.com/rear-window/josh-frydenberg-sustains-full-body-gravel-rash-20220210-p59vhq

Apparently his abusive style gets him into trouble.

I was just posting the link, no casting judgement but if you want to go that way …

https://www.patreon.com/posts/huge-list-of-all-33473584

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism-a/

https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

Remember that I too used to be a staunch LNP supporter, but years ago I finally accepted the masses of evidence that they really just a bunch of crooks & con-men.

They are just a list of anti-collation sites, I mean Crickey and The Conversation gave up all pretence of objectivity years ago and lord knows what the other site’s reputation is.
Let’s just say that half the former NSW Labor government is in gaol.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:40:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847433
Subject: re: Aust Politics

No shortage of weirdos even in WA:

Geraldton man Wayne Glew charged with allegedly inciting others to arrest Mark McGowan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/geraldton-man-charged-with-inciting-others-to-arrest-wa-premier/100822884

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:43:48
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1847435
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Spiny Norman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Apparently his abusive style gets him into trouble.

I was just posting the link, no casting judgement but if you want to go that way …

https://www.patreon.com/posts/huge-list-of-all-33473584

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism-a/

https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

Remember that I too used to be a staunch LNP supporter, but years ago I finally accepted the masses of evidence that they really just a bunch of crooks & con-men.

They are just a list of anti-collation sites, I mean Crickey and The Conversation gave up all pretence of objectivity years ago and lord knows what the other site’s reputation is.

I wonder if they’ve been banned by YouTube.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:52:23
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1847437
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Spiny Norman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Apparently his abusive style gets him into trouble.

I was just posting the link, no casting judgement but if you want to go that way …

https://www.patreon.com/posts/huge-list-of-all-33473584

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism-a/

https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

Remember that I too used to be a staunch LNP supporter, but years ago I finally accepted the masses of evidence that they really just a bunch of crooks & con-men.

They are just a list of anti-collation sites, I mean Crickey and The Conversation gave up all pretence of objectivity years ago and lord knows what the other site’s reputation is.
Let’s just say that half the former NSW Labor government is in gaol.

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:55:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847439
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

“Increasingly the Prime Minister is looking like the slowest wildebeest in the herd.”

And you know what happens to the stragglers…

¿ the communist taxpayer-funded equitable Medicare system helps them out ?

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:56:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


No shortage of weirdos even in WA:

Geraldton man Wayne Glew charged with allegedly inciting others to arrest Mark McGowan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/geraldton-man-charged-with-inciting-others-to-arrest-wa-premier/100822884

Stupid old git.

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Date: 11/02/2022 14:58:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847445
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

I was just posting the link, no casting judgement but if you want to go that way …

https://www.patreon.com/posts/huge-list-of-all-33473584

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism-a/

https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

Remember that I too used to be a staunch LNP supporter, but years ago I finally accepted the masses of evidence that they really just a bunch of crooks & con-men.

They are just a list of anti-collation sites, I mean Crickey and The Conversation gave up all pretence of objectivity years ago and lord knows what the other site’s reputation is.
Let’s just say that half the former NSW Labor government is in gaol.

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

I’m not really a big ALP fan, either.

It’s a matter of preferring the slightly lesser of the two evils that are realistically possible.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:00:36
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1847447
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The dolt from Kooyong…….LOL
Where the hell do you get these crazy rants from.

from the link above.

Damn leftists at the AFR!

pinko-commies the lot of ‘em.. may as well rename that rag the Green Left Weekly

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:02:21
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1847448
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

Here you go. You have to read a fair way down.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/proxy-advice-regulation-by-josh-frydenberg-defeated-in-senate/100819906

>>One of the changes would have required proxy advisers to be independent of their clients, potentially signalling the end of ACSI’s current model. The organisation is owned by some of the nation’s largest industry super funds.<<

On the face of it, it doesn’t sound that reprehensible.

the super fund managers do a lot more reprehensible stuff.. but this was a pretty blatant, and pointless, attack.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:03:50
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1847449
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Spiny Norman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They are just a list of anti-collation sites, I mean Crickey and The Conversation gave up all pretence of objectivity years ago and lord knows what the other site’s reputation is.
Let’s just say that half the former NSW Labor government is in gaol.

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

I’m not really a big ALP fan, either.

It’s a matter of preferring the slightly lesser of the two evils that are realistically possible.

I mostly agree. This next federal election I’m going to have to really fight hard to force my pencil to tick the ALP in the #1 box. I REALLY don’t want to, but it’s too important to get the LNP booted out. The LNP, of course, will go last.
I’d much prefer to not have to tick the boxes of parties/people that I don’t want to get any votes though.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:08:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

I’m not really a big ALP fan, either.

It’s a matter of preferring the slightly lesser of the two evils that are realistically possible.

I mostly agree. This next federal election I’m going to have to really fight hard to force my pencil to tick the ALP in the #1 box. I REALLY don’t want to, but it’s too important to get the LNP booted out. The LNP, of course, will go last.
I’d much prefer to not have to tick the boxes of parties/people that I don’t want to get any votes though.

I wish i had a strong independent candidate. Labor will do at a pinch.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:09:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1847451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

No shortage of weirdos even in WA:

Geraldton man Wayne Glew charged with allegedly inciting others to arrest Mark McGowan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/geraldton-man-charged-with-inciting-others-to-arrest-wa-premier/100822884

Stupid old git.

Yeah. there are some nutters living out on the fringes of the civilised parts of the state.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:19:24
From: btm
ID: 1847454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

I’m not really a big ALP fan, either.

It’s a matter of preferring the slightly lesser of the two evils that are realistically possible.

I mostly agree. This next federal election I’m going to have to really fight hard to force my pencil to tick the ALP in the #1 box. I REALLY don’t want to, but it’s too important to get the LNP booted out. The LNP, of course, will go last.
I’d much prefer to not have to tick the boxes of parties/people that I don’t want to get any votes though.

I think that’s the problem with our electoral system: your vote goes to someone, and (with preference deals) you don’t necessarily know who it goes to. Unless you waste your vote and vote informal.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:21:10
From: buffy
ID: 1847456
Subject: re: Aust Politics

btm said:


Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m not really a big ALP fan, either.

It’s a matter of preferring the slightly lesser of the two evils that are realistically possible.

I mostly agree. This next federal election I’m going to have to really fight hard to force my pencil to tick the ALP in the #1 box. I REALLY don’t want to, but it’s too important to get the LNP booted out. The LNP, of course, will go last.
I’d much prefer to not have to tick the boxes of parties/people that I don’t want to get any votes though.

I think that’s the problem with our electoral system: your vote goes to someone, and (with preference deals) you don’t necessarily know who it goes to. Unless you waste your vote and vote informal.

I know who my vote goes to. Preference deals have no place on my ballot paper. I fill in all the boxes. And I do my own preferences.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:27:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

btm said:


Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m not really a big ALP fan, either.

It’s a matter of preferring the slightly lesser of the two evils that are realistically possible.

I mostly agree. This next federal election I’m going to have to really fight hard to force my pencil to tick the ALP in the #1 box. I REALLY don’t want to, but it’s too important to get the LNP booted out. The LNP, of course, will go last.
I’d much prefer to not have to tick the boxes of parties/people that I don’t want to get any votes though.

I think that’s the problem with our electoral system: your vote goes to someone, and (with preference deals) you don’t necessarily know who it goes to. Unless you waste your vote and vote informal.

Vote below the line and preference deals have no effect.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:36:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847458
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

I was just posting the link, no casting judgement but if you want to go that way …

https://www.patreon.com/posts/huge-list-of-all-33473584

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism-a/

https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

Remember that I too used to be a staunch LNP supporter, but years ago I finally accepted the masses of evidence that they really just a bunch of crooks & con-men.

They are just a list of anti-collation sites, I mean Crickey and The Conversation gave up all pretence of objectivity years ago and lord knows what the other site’s reputation is.
Let’s just say that half the former NSW Labor government is in gaol.

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

PWM is only ever about #whataboutisms.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:39:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847459
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

No shortage of weirdos even in WA:

Geraldton man Wayne Glew charged with allegedly inciting others to arrest Mark McGowan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/geraldton-man-charged-with-inciting-others-to-arrest-wa-premier/100822884

Stupid old git.

Yeah. there are some nutters living out on the fringes of the civilised parts of the state.

Oi!

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:40:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1847460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Spiny Norman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They are just a list of anti-collation sites, I mean Crickey and The Conversation gave up all pretence of objectivity years ago and lord knows what the other site’s reputation is.
Let’s just say that half the former NSW Labor government is in gaol.

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

PWM is only ever about #whataboutisms.

Also I have done my own research on the Internet, and saying that 50% of the Labor government are now in prison appears to be a slight exaggeration.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:41:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847461
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

Spiny Norman said:

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

PWM is only ever about #whataboutisms.

Also I have done my own research on the Internet, and saying that 50% of the Labor government are now in prison appears to be a slight exaggeration.

Maybe the conservative side have better lawyers?

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:42:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1847462
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

Spiny Norman said:

I left my fantasy world years ago, I keep hoping you will too.
Why would you mention the ALP? Please point out one good thing I’ve said about them – I’m not a fan of them at all.

PWM is only ever about #whataboutisms.

Also I have done my own research on the Internet, and saying that 50% of the Labor government are now in prison appears to be a slight exaggeration.

Also, we should not conflate “NSW” with “Australia”…

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:44:42
From: sibeen
ID: 1847464
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

No shortage of weirdos even in WA:

Geraldton man Wayne Glew charged with allegedly inciting others to arrest Mark McGowan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/geraldton-man-charged-with-inciting-others-to-arrest-wa-premier/100822884

Stupid old git.

Yeah. there are some nutters living out on the fringes of the civilised parts of the state.

When did you lot got some civilisations?

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:48:40
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847466
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Stupid old git.

Yeah. there are some nutters living out on the fringes of the civilised parts of the state.

When did you lot got some civilisations?

get.

02:30 last tuesday.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:55:31
From: dv
ID: 1847469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:56:34
From: party_pants
ID: 1847470
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Stupid old git.

Yeah. there are some nutters living out on the fringes of the civilised parts of the state.

When did you lot got some civilisations?

It’s a new thing that sprung up after the last time you were here.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:57:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1847472
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Yeah. there are some nutters living out on the fringes of the civilised parts of the state.

When did you lot got some civilisations?

get.

02:30 last tuesday.

I worded it very carefully, thank you.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:58:24
From: dv
ID: 1847473
Subject: re: Aust Politics

There’s a Tim Smith running in Kooyong for the United Australia Party.

It’s a common name so tell me it is not Drinky McPrangface the former shadow attorney general of Australia.

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:58:44
From: dv
ID: 1847474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


There’s a Tim Smith running in Kooyong for the United Australia Party.

It’s a common name so tell me it is not Drinky McPrangface the former shadow attorney general of Australia.

I meant Victoria of course

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Date: 11/02/2022 15:59:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

When did you lot got some civilisations?

get.

02:30 last tuesday.

I worded it very carefully, thank you.

I can’t help it if you are deluded in your grasp of the English language. It is hard for people of a NESB.

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:01:06
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847476
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


dv said:

There’s a Tim Smith running in Kooyong for the United Australia Party.

It’s a common name so tell me it is not Drinky McPrangface the former shadow attorney general of Australia.

I meant Victoria of course

https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/our-prime-ministers/

lol.

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:05:34
From: dv
ID: 1847477
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


btm said:

Spiny Norman said:

I mostly agree. This next federal election I’m going to have to really fight hard to force my pencil to tick the ALP in the #1 box. I REALLY don’t want to, but it’s too important to get the LNP booted out. The LNP, of course, will go last.
I’d much prefer to not have to tick the boxes of parties/people that I don’t want to get any votes though.

I think that’s the problem with our electoral system: your vote goes to someone, and (with preference deals) you don’t necessarily know who it goes to. Unless you waste your vote and vote informal.

I know who my vote goes to. Preference deals have no place on my ballot paper. I fill in all the boxes. And I do my own preferences.

Same.

Also they changed the Senate rules a few years back to prevent group ticket voting which got rid of some of those preference lotteries…

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:08:56
From: dv
ID: 1847478
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

dv said:

There’s a Tim Smith running in Kooyong for the United Australia Party.

It’s a common name so tell me it is not Drinky McPrangface the former shadow attorney general of Australia.

I meant Victoria of course

https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/our-prime-ministers/

lol.

That’s just beautiful. I’m going to found some penny ante party called the Free Trade party so that I can claim Reid was one of us.

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:16:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847479
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

I meant Victoria of course

https://www.unitedaustraliaparty.org.au/our-prime-ministers/

lol.

That’s just beautiful. I’m going to found some penny ante party called the Free Trade party so that I can claim Reid was one of us.

Kelly confirms shadow finance team

CANBERRA: Federal Leader of the United Australia Party, Craig Kelly, announced today the party’s shadow finance team would deliver prosperity and a debt-free future for Australia.

Under a Kelly Government, leading Australian businessman and former Federal MP Clive Palmer will be appointed Treasurer while former Deloittes CEO and company advisor Domenic Martino will become Finance Minister.

“Clive Palmer, our national Senate Leader, and Domenic Martino who is the lead NSW Senate candidate for the United Australia Party, bring a wealth of real-world experience to deliver economic prosperity to Australia,’’ Mr Kelly said.

Mr Kelly said Clive Palmer was one of Australia’s wealthiest citizens with an outstanding business career.
“He has been responsible for the delivery of tens of billions of export dollars to the Commonwealth, created over 60,000 jobs and was named the Mining Entrepreneur of the Decade in 2012 by Government Australia Magazine.
“In 2012 Mr Palmer was elected by the popular vote of the Australian people as a National Living Treasure, awarded by the National Trust.

“He is an achiever and a doer, unlike the current treasurer Josh Frydenberg and the shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers who have no notable experience in the business and commercial world.

“The Liberal-Labor coalition has no idea about reducing debt and returning the country to prosperity. It’s time for a change,’’ Mr Kelly said.

Domenic Martino is a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Australia, the Australian Society of Certified Practising Accountants and the Australian Institute of Company Directors. He is an experienced director of ASX-listed companies and a respected company adviser.

“Under Mr Palmer and Mr Martino, the United Australia Party’s finance team will eliminate the $1 trillion debt that has been accumulated up by the Liberal-Labor coalition.

“Only the United Australia Party has the real-world experience, economic plans and policies to rid Australia of its debt burden and deliver business freedoms and prosperity for all,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“The facts are the Liberal and Labor parties are joined at the hip.

“It’s the Liberal and Labor Parties that have destroyed families, small businesses and jobs.

“They have lost support from Australians suffering from lockdowns, economic restrictions and closures.

“The Liberal-Labor Coalition have no real financial plan that allows Australia to be the lucky country. They have only held back our country back.

“The United Australian Party has real people with real experience to protect freedoms and make Australia great,’’ he said.

Mr Kelly said further shadow ministers would be announced in the coming weeks.

ENDS

UAP Facebook.

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:18:22
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847480
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Clive Palmer, mining magnate, placed on list after his staff were instructed to vote for him

National Living Treasure.

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:20:35
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847482
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Clive Palmer, mining magnate, placed on list after his staff were instructed to vote for him

National Living Treasure.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/national-living-treasure-uproar-20120303-1u9ql.html

Link

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:33:59
From: sibeen
ID: 1847495
Subject: re: Aust Politics

China behind failed attempt to bankroll Labor candidates in federal election

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:38:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847499
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/what-a-pointless-week-government/

Link

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Date: 11/02/2022 16:39:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847500
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:

China behind failed attempt to bankroll Labor candidates in federal election

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

Labor leader Anthony Albanese insisted the potential candidates courted by China were not ultimately preselected by his party, and the foreign interference attempt on Labor was unsuccessful.

“I have spoken to Mr Burgess today and he has reaffirmed that he has not raised concerns about any of my candidates,” Mr Albanese said on Friday.

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Date: 11/02/2022 17:33:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847510
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Anthony Albanese in 1985. Photograph: Facebook

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Date: 11/02/2022 18:56:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847532
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 11/02/2022 19:31:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847539
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘Foreign Minister Marise Payne is speaking with the foreign ministers of the US, Indian and Japan after the Quad meeting in Melbourne’

From a fly on the wall:

“F***in’ China.’

“Yeah, f***in’ China.”

“Shit, yeah, f***in’ China.”

“Y’know what i say? I say ‘f*** China’, that’s what i say.”

chorus “Yeah, f*** China!”

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Date: 11/02/2022 21:04:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847575
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


sibeen said:

China behind failed attempt to bankroll Labor candidates in federal election

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

Labor leader Anthony Albanese insisted the potential candidates courted by China were not ultimately preselected by his party, and the foreign interference attempt on Labor was unsuccessful.

“I have spoken to Mr Burgess today and he has reaffirmed that he has not raised concerns about any of my candidates,” Mr Albanese said on Friday.

Pity, think of the Economy Must Growth that it could have brought with it ¡

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Date: 11/02/2022 22:28:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847619
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

China behind failed attempt to bankroll Labor candidates in federal election

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/china-accused-attempt-bankroll-labor-candidates-federal-election/100822512

Labor leader Anthony Albanese insisted the potential candidates courted by China were not ultimately preselected by his party, and the foreign interference attempt on Labor was unsuccessful.

“I have spoken to Mr Burgess today and he has reaffirmed that he has not raised concerns about any of my candidates,” Mr Albanese said on Friday.

Pity, think of the Economy Must Growth that it could have brought with it ¡

oh wait imagine political donations

The practice of distributing public money for political advantage – pork-barrelling – might seem like a fact of life.

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Date: 11/02/2022 22:36:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1847622
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

Labor leader Anthony Albanese insisted the potential candidates courted by China were not ultimately preselected by his party, and the foreign interference attempt on Labor was unsuccessful.

“I have spoken to Mr Burgess today and he has reaffirmed that he has not raised concerns about any of my candidates,” Mr Albanese said on Friday.

Pity, think of the Economy Must Growth that it could have brought with it ¡

oh wait imagine political donations

The practice of distributing public money for political advantage – pork-barrelling – might seem like a fact of life.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-11/pork-barrelling-in-nsw-hasnt-always-worked/100823744

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Date: 11/02/2022 23:04:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 11/02/2022 23:07:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847633
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Link

SABRA LANE: Hundreds of people with autism and intellectual disabilities have had their support funding slashed in recent months after the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) decided the payments were not “value for money”.

Advocates allege people with autism and psychosocial disabilities are being deliberately targeted. They also claim the Federal Government’s been cutting the scheme – which the Minister denies.

Bridget Rollason reports.

BRIDGET ROLLASON: In the Melbourne suburb of Mount Waverly Karen McKenzie is getting her son Jarrod ready for his favourite part of the day – pool time.

The 22-year-old who has autism and severe intellectual disabilities needs help to eat, get dressed and use the bathroom, but the NDIS funding that paid for his carers has unexpectedly been cut by more than half.

In a letter seen by the ABC, the National Disability Insurance Agency determined the payments were not “value for money.”

With no funding for the next seven months, the single mum has had to quit her job to care for her son.

KAREN MCKENZIE: They never even explained why. They just sent a letter in the mail saying that’s not value for money. I’m just at a loss to why when Jarrod has such high needs.

BRIDGET ROLLASON: The president of People with Disability Australia, Samantha Connor says hundreds of people have contacted her group after their NDIS funding was also slashed in recent months.

SAMANTHA CONNOR: People who are autistic, people with intellectual disabilities and people with psychosocial disabilities seem to be the areas that are being most targeted right now. We know that this was a deliberate measure by government to reduce the cost of the scheme.

BRIDGET ROLLASON: In a statement, the Minister for the NDIS, Linda Reynolds, says there have been no cuts to the scheme and the Government’s funding has increased by $26-billion over four years.

She adds the average payment per participant has grown by nearly $4,500 over the year to September.

Samantha Connor insists cuts have been made.

SAMANTHA CONNOR: We know that there was a plan for a razor gang to come in between April and August of last year and that seems to have continued those cuts.

JASON NANOS: What happens if you lose though? Are you going to get angry?

BRIDGET ROLLASON: Eight-year-old Max Drew has autism, but his mum Kim can no longer afford to send him to sports therapy sessions which help with his social skills after his NDIS funding was slashed by more than 40 per cent.

KIM: He’s just not going to reach his full potential without their funds.

BRIDGET ROLLASON: Max’s therapist Jason Nanos says about half of his 200 clients have also lost funding.

JASON NANOS: To have the same services cut in half, the autism doesn’t get cut in half, it’s still there. They need the proper funding to do activities like this.

BRIDGET ROLLASON: The National Disability Insurance Agency says about a third of the 500,000 people on the scheme have a primary disability of autism.

It says plans can go up or down depending on a participant’s needs.

Opposition NDIS spokesman Bill Shorten is accusing the Federal Government of a secret plan to cut funding for the $26-billion program ahead of this year’s election.

BILL SHORTEN: I do think that this government is almost creating a two-class disability system.

Certain disabilities they think pass the so-called Morrison pub test, but other disabilities which are more awkward or more challenging or less easy to define, well, they are second class disabilities.

SABRA LANE: That is the Federal Opposition’s NDIS spokesman, Bill Shorten, ending Bridget Rollason’s report.

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Date: 12/02/2022 09:17:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847666
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://theaimn.com/i-write-because-l-cannot-remain-silent/

Link

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Date: 12/02/2022 13:34:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847736
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I can’t read it because of the paywall, and because Chrome no longer lets me delete Age cookies (it claims I don’t have any. Might be a consequence of registering with The Age).

Neo-Nazi unmasked as former Young Liberal

https://www.theage.com.au/national/neo-nazi-unmasked-as-former-young-liberal-20220211-p59vpo.html

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Date: 12/02/2022 13:38:31
From: dv
ID: 1847737
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I can’t read it because of the paywall, and because Chrome no longer lets me delete Age cookies (it claims I don’t have any. Might be a consequence of registering with The Age).

Neo-Nazi unmasked as former Young Liberal

https://www.theage.com.au/national/neo-nazi-unmasked-as-former-young-liberal-20220211-p59vpo.html

Damn that must be embarrassing for the neoNazi

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Date: 12/02/2022 13:38:50
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1847738
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I can’t read it because of the paywall, and because Chrome no longer lets me delete Age cookies (it claims I don’t have any. Might be a consequence of registering with The Age).

Neo-Nazi unmasked as former Young Liberal

https://www.theage.com.au/national/neo-nazi-unmasked-as-former-young-liberal-20220211-p59vpo.html

On January 19, a propaganda video depicting three masked neo-Nazis burning an Aboriginal flag, performing Sieg Heil salutes and reciting a white supremacist manifesto began circulating on social media. The video was poorly filmed and produced, reeking of a desperate effort to gain publicity and followers for a new extremist group.

Yet it began to gain traction with mainstream news outlets, largely because it singled out Greens senator Lidia Thorpe, who is also Indigenous. The senator’s name, alongside a vicious racist slur, was written on a sign behind the men. Soon, terror experts were warning of the potential for the video to incite attacks or further harassment of Thorpe, a development the anonymous neo-Nazi propagandist who uploaded the video greeted with glee in subsequent online postings.

But this neo-Nazi, who uses the online alias “John Dixon”, also made a mistake. Among hundreds of vicious and violent online posts – including those referencing the Christchurch terrorist – he left a breadcrumb trail of clues pointing to his true identity.

These clues led to an Australian mobile phone number and an approximate home address in outer suburban Melbourne. Further data mining fully lifted John Dixon’s black mask: he is a Victorian man and former Melbourne University Young Liberals office holder named Stefan Eracleous.

A deep dive into Eracleous’s online posts, court cases and interactions with other neo-Nazis provides a case study of what ASIO’s director-general, Mike Burgess, warned this week is an expanding and deeply disturbing trend: the descent of young Australians – some as young as 13 – into extremism.

The reaction of police to the flag-burning video offers its own insights. It highlights the challenge for security agencies in responding to this growing pool of radicalised Australians whose conduct may not cross a legal line but who may be fanning the flames of civil unrest and violence. Law enforcement sources say this challenge is amplified by the sheer number of online videos and posts published by extremist figures that threaten politicians in the wake of every significant COVID-related announcement.

As Burgess put it on Wednesday, “it’s harder to get a sense of what is simply big talk and what is genuine planning for violence”. Correspondence sighted by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald reveals that federal police initially advised Thorpe they could do little about the video because, despite being offensive, it “does not appear to contain material which constitutes a criminal offence”.

“As the material has been posted on YouTube, which is owned by Google, the advised course of action is to follow the YouTube process for reporting inappropriate material,” the Australian Federal Police wrote to Thorpe’s office on January 21. The senator declined to comment.

Since then, Victorian counter-terror authorities have begun assessing the video and the AFP is also understood to be making further inquiries.

Assessing the threat posed by Eracleous – who is in his late 20s and no longer a Liberal Party member – and the small but loud minority of Australians who, online or at rallies, discuss hanging politicians and acquiring firearms, is now devouring huge police and intelligence resources.
According to Burgess, combatting rising radicalism should be viewed not only as a concern for security agencies but as a whole-of-society problem.

“As a nation, we need to reflect on why some teenagers are hanging Nazi flags and portraits of the Christchurch killer on their bedroom walls and why others are sharing beheading videos,” Burgess said in his annual threat assessment speech on Wednesday night.

Eracleous’ proclivity for extremity first emerged publicly in 2014, while he was serving as treasurer of the Melbourne University Young Liberals.

He was outed by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald as one of a small group of Young Liberals posting highly offensive sexist and homophobic material. In one post, Eracleous described feminist author Germaine Greer, as a “lying f—-ing c-m guzzling slut … and a union member”.

He left mainstream politics and disappeared from public view, spending the next few years mixing in Melbourne’s neo-Nazi scene. In 2019, court records reveal he hit the radar of Victoria Police’s counter-terror command intelligence unit. Eracleous was charged with using a carriage service to offend, but he avoided a criminal conviction in July 2020 by admitting to his offending as part of a program aimed at redirecting first-time offenders away from the criminal justice system.

“We need to reflect on why some teenagers are hanging Nazi flags and portraits of the Christchurch killer on their bedroom walls.”

Mike Burgess, ASIO director-general

The court case did not steer him away from radicalism. Rather, his online postings – using several aliases on encrypted platforms – became more extreme. After the Christchurch terror attack in March 2019, Eracleous began posting the number “51” in his messages as a sly nod to other neo-Nazis signalling his support of the attack, which left 51 people dead.

“Quick announcement. It’s my birthday today. Let’s celebrate by spamming 51,” Eracleous wrote in one online post.

In late 2020, his online footprints suggest Eracleous (who did not respond to repeated efforts to contact him) began mixing with the National Socialist Network. The NSN was Australia’s most active neo-Nazi group before two of its key leaders were arrested by police last year, around the same time its inner workings were exposed in a joint investigation by The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and 60 Minutes.

Last March, just before these arrests and media exposure crippled the group, one of its leaders, Bradley Ingram, used an online alias to announce in an encrypted neo-Nazi forum that Eracleous was “now officially under the protection of the National Socialist Network”.

Eracleous’ dealings with the NSN almost certainly placed him again on the radar of state and federal security agencies, who regard the group as a key intelligence gathering target. Yet there is no evidence Eracleous or the NSN as a whole is considered a terror threat. While three of the group’s members or adherents are facing terror charges, the danger of the NSN – according to state and federal officials not authorised to speak publicly – is as an incubator for political violence.

These sources also describe the NSN as a disorganised, amateurish outfit, riven with internal conflicts. The reason Eracleous needed the group’s protection was that, according to social media posts, he had fallen out with other neo-Nazis.

A high proportion of the NSN’s members have also engaged in alleged criminal activity, drawing constant police attention and charges. Court records reveal that in the next month, two mid-ranking NSN members will face the Melbourne Magistrates Court over summary (less serious) criminal offences: Dean Lynch, for possessing a prohibited weapon, and another young Victorian man for family violence order breaches.

The charges point to the quiet strategy of NSW and Victorian police counter-terror commands to intensely monitor members of active neo-Nazi groups and seek to lay charges, no matter how minor, when they transgress the law.

Official sources also make clear that agencies don’t regard the threat posed by the neo-Nazi movement Eracleous is part of as comparable to that posed by groups such as Islamic State. “Most of these NSN guys are blowhards,” says one security source. Still, this doesn’t discount the intense fear they can cause those they troll on video and posts, including female politicians.

In his Wednesday address to political and security leaders and the media, Burgess said that while his agency’s terror case load had dropped, radicalism in Australia was rising. “Some Australians believe the government’s approach to vaccinations and lockdowns infringed their freedoms. And in a small number of cases, grievance turned to violence,” he said.

If Eracleous is your typical suburban neo-Nazi, the assortment of groups who participated in the recent protests outside the nation’s parliaments cover the political spectrum, with concerns ranging from lockdowns to paedophiles and other QAnon-style conspiracies.

Policing briefings about one of the most active groups, Sovereign Citizens, sighted by this masthead state its members aren’t considered a terror threat. The group believes the power of the state is illegitimate and has recently escalated a campaign involving attending police stations to deliver arrest warrants that name politicians.

Yet the briefings also make clear that concern some members could cross over into violence requires policing vigilance. At least two Sovereign Citizens have recently been arrested, one over an alleged “incitement to deprive liberty” and another for firearms offensives.

The White Rose Society, an anti-fascist research group that engages in deep internet dives to uncover and document extremist behaviour, has recently analysed hundreds of posts and videos uploaded by key members or affiliates of the Sovereign Citizens. Along with the bizarre conspiracy theories they peddle are consistent references to acquiring guns, liaising with veterans or police with firearms experience and using violence as a means of political expression.

In a Zoom chat this month, one of the group’s affiliates was recorded saying that “peaceful is lawful, but sometimes you need a sophisticated application of force”. Another extremist influencer responded: “that’s what we’re organising … only if everything else fails.”

A small number of politicians also appear willing to legitimise extremists. This week, federal politician Craig Kelly escorted a notorious right-wing extremist figure, Simeon Boikov, into Federal Parliament. Boikov leads a far-right Russian nationalist group in Australia and, according to official sources, has been on the intelligence services’ radar since at least 2014.

To date, the various extremist groups seeking to recruit and radicalise more Australians appear to have had limited success in signing up military veterans. White Rose has identified nine ex-military members who have recently played key roles in extremist groups agitating for political insurrection. This targeting of veterans is not anywhere near the scale of American militia and far-right cells, but is still deeply concerning to ASIO and the Australian Defence Force, which has increased its vetting of members to identify budding extremists.

Security agencies hope some agitators will lose motivation with the relaxing of pandemic-linked restrictions, although a new wave of infections or other international events, such as conflict in Ukraine (where neo-Nazi militias seek to recruit foreign fighters) could help radicalise more Australians.

Says Burgess: “We assess that these tensions and the associated possibility of violence will persist.”

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Date: 12/02/2022 13:44:14
From: dv
ID: 1847740
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

I can’t read it because of the paywall, and because Chrome no longer lets me delete Age cookies (it claims I don’t have any. Might be a consequence of registering with The Age).

Neo-Nazi unmasked as former Young Liberal

https://www.theage.com.au/national/neo-nazi-unmasked-as-former-young-liberal-20220211-p59vpo.html

Damn that must be embarrassing for the neoNazi

On January 19, a propaganda video depicting three masked neo-Nazis burning an Aboriginal flag, performing Sieg Heil salutes and reciting a white supremacist manifesto began circulating on social media. The video was poorly filmed and produced, reeking of a desperate effort to gain publicity and followers for a new extremist group.

Yet it began to gain traction with mainstream news outlets, largely because it singled out Greens senator Lidia Thorpe, who is also Indigenous. The senator’s name, alongside a vicious racist slur, was written on a sign behind the men. Soon, terror experts were warning of the potential for the video to incite attacks or further harassment of Thorpe, a development the anonymous neo-Nazi propagandist who uploaded the video greeted with glee in subsequent online postings.

But this neo-Nazi, who uses the online alias “John Dixon”, also made a mistake. Among hundreds of vicious and violent online posts – including those referencing the Christchurch terrorist – he left a breadcrumb trail of clues pointing to his true identity.

These clues led to an Australian mobile phone number and an approximate home address in outer suburban Melbourne. Further data mining fully lifted John Dixon’s black mask: he is a Victorian man and former Melbourne University Young Liberals office holder named Stefan Eracleous.

A deep dive into Eracleous’s online posts, court cases and interactions with other neo-Nazis provides a case study of what ASIO’s director-general, Mike Burgess, warned this week is an expanding and deeply disturbing trend: the descent of young Australians – some as young as 13 – into extremism.

The reaction of police to the flag-burning video offers its own insights. It highlights the challenge for security agencies in responding to this growing pool of radicalised Australians whose conduct may not cross a legal line but who may be fanning the flames of civil unrest and violence. Law enforcement sources say this challenge is amplified by the sheer number of online videos and posts published by extremist figures that threaten politicians in the wake of every significant COVID-related announcement.

Since then, Victorian counter-terror authorities have begun assessing the video and the AFP is also understood to be making further inquiries.

Assessing the threat posed by Eracleous – who is in his late 20s and no longer a Liberal Party member – and the small but loud minority of Australians who, online or at rallies, discuss hanging politicians and acquiring firearms, is now devouring huge police and intelligence resources.
According to Burgess, combatting rising radicalism should be viewed not only as a concern for security agencies but as a whole-of-society problem.

“As a nation, we need to reflect on why some teenagers are hanging Nazi flags and portraits of the Christchurch killer on their bedroom walls and why others are sharing beheading videos,” Burgess said in his annual threat assessment speech on Wednesday night.

Eracleous’ proclivity for extremity first emerged publicly in 2014, while he was serving as treasurer of the Melbourne University Young Liberals.

He was outed by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald as one of a small group of Young Liberals posting highly offensive sexist and homophobic material. In one post, Eracleous described feminist author Germaine Greer, as a “lying f—-ing c-m guzzling slut … and a union member”

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Date: 12/02/2022 14:02:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847741
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

I can’t read it because of the paywall, and because Chrome no longer lets me delete Age cookies (it claims I don’t have any. Might be a consequence of registering with The Age).

Neo-Nazi unmasked as former Young Liberal

https://www.theage.com.au/national/neo-nazi-unmasked-as-former-young-liberal-20220211-p59vpo.html

On January 19, a propaganda video depicting three masked neo-Nazis burning an Aboriginal flag, performing Sieg Heil salutes and reciting a white supremacist manifesto began circulating on social media. The video was poorly filmed and produced, reeking of a desperate effort to gain publicity and followers for a new extremist group.

Yet it began to gain traction with mainstream news outlets, largely because it singled out Greens senator Lidia Thorpe, who is also Indigenous. The senator’s name, alongside a vicious racist slur, was written on a sign behind the men. Soon, terror experts were warning of the potential for the video to incite attacks or further harassment of Thorpe, a development the anonymous neo-Nazi propagandist who uploaded the video greeted with glee in subsequent online postings.

But this neo-Nazi, who uses the online alias “John Dixon”, also made a mistake. Among hundreds of vicious and violent online posts – including those referencing the Christchurch terrorist – he left a breadcrumb trail of clues pointing to his true identity.

These clues led to an Australian mobile phone number and an approximate home address in outer suburban Melbourne. Further data mining fully lifted John Dixon’s black mask: he is a Victorian man and former Melbourne University Young Liberals office holder named Stefan Eracleous.

A deep dive into Eracleous’s online posts, court cases and interactions with other neo-Nazis provides a case study of what ASIO’s director-general, Mike Burgess, warned this week is an expanding and deeply disturbing trend: the descent of young Australians – some as young as 13 – into extremism.

The reaction of police to the flag-burning video offers its own insights. It highlights the challenge for security agencies in responding to this growing pool of radicalised Australians whose conduct may not cross a legal line but who may be fanning the flames of civil unrest and violence. Law enforcement sources say this challenge is amplified by the sheer number of online videos and posts published by extremist figures that threaten politicians in the wake of every significant COVID-related announcement.

As Burgess put it on Wednesday, “it’s harder to get a sense of what is simply big talk and what is genuine planning for violence”. Correspondence sighted by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald reveals that federal police initially advised Thorpe they could do little about the video because, despite being offensive, it “does not appear to contain material which constitutes a criminal offence”.

“As the material has been posted on YouTube, which is owned by Google, the advised course of action is to follow the YouTube process for reporting inappropriate material,” the Australian Federal Police wrote to Thorpe’s office on January 21. The senator declined to comment.

Since then, Victorian counter-terror authorities have begun assessing the video and the AFP is also understood to be making further inquiries.

Assessing the threat posed by Eracleous – who is in his late 20s and no longer a Liberal Party member – and the small but loud minority of Australians who, online or at rallies, discuss hanging politicians and acquiring firearms, is now devouring huge police and intelligence resources.
According to Burgess, combatting rising radicalism should be viewed not only as a concern for security agencies but as a whole-of-society problem.

“As a nation, we need to reflect on why some teenagers are hanging Nazi flags and portraits of the Christchurch killer on their bedroom walls and why others are sharing beheading videos,” Burgess said in his annual threat assessment speech on Wednesday night.

Eracleous’ proclivity for extremity first emerged publicly in 2014, while he was serving as treasurer of the Melbourne University Young Liberals.

He was outed by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald as one of a small group of Young Liberals posting highly offensive sexist and homophobic material. In one post, Eracleous described feminist author Germaine Greer, as a “lying f—-ing c-m guzzling slut … and a union member”.

He left mainstream politics and disappeared from public view, spending the next few years mixing in Melbourne’s neo-Nazi scene. In 2019, court records reveal he hit the radar of Victoria Police’s counter-terror command intelligence unit. Eracleous was charged with using a carriage service to offend, but he avoided a criminal conviction in July 2020 by admitting to his offending as part of a program aimed at redirecting first-time offenders away from the criminal justice system.

“We need to reflect on why some teenagers are hanging Nazi flags and portraits of the Christchurch killer on their bedroom walls.”

Mike Burgess, ASIO director-general

The court case did not steer him away from radicalism. Rather, his online postings – using several aliases on encrypted platforms – became more extreme. After the Christchurch terror attack in March 2019, Eracleous began posting the number “51” in his messages as a sly nod to other neo-Nazis signalling his support of the attack, which left 51 people dead.

“Quick announcement. It’s my birthday today. Let’s celebrate by spamming 51,” Eracleous wrote in one online post.

In late 2020, his online footprints suggest Eracleous (who did not respond to repeated efforts to contact him) began mixing with the National Socialist Network. The NSN was Australia’s most active neo-Nazi group before two of its key leaders were arrested by police last year, around the same time its inner workings were exposed in a joint investigation by The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and 60 Minutes.

Last March, just before these arrests and media exposure crippled the group, one of its leaders, Bradley Ingram, used an online alias to announce in an encrypted neo-Nazi forum that Eracleous was “now officially under the protection of the National Socialist Network”.

Eracleous’ dealings with the NSN almost certainly placed him again on the radar of state and federal security agencies, who regard the group as a key intelligence gathering target. Yet there is no evidence Eracleous or the NSN as a whole is considered a terror threat. While three of the group’s members or adherents are facing terror charges, the danger of the NSN – according to state and federal officials not authorised to speak publicly – is as an incubator for political violence.

These sources also describe the NSN as a disorganised, amateurish outfit, riven with internal conflicts. The reason Eracleous needed the group’s protection was that, according to social media posts, he had fallen out with other neo-Nazis.

A high proportion of the NSN’s members have also engaged in alleged criminal activity, drawing constant police attention and charges. Court records reveal that in the next month, two mid-ranking NSN members will face the Melbourne Magistrates Court over summary (less serious) criminal offences: Dean Lynch, for possessing a prohibited weapon, and another young Victorian man for family violence order breaches.

The charges point to the quiet strategy of NSW and Victorian police counter-terror commands to intensely monitor members of active neo-Nazi groups and seek to lay charges, no matter how minor, when they transgress the law.

Official sources also make clear that agencies don’t regard the threat posed by the neo-Nazi movement Eracleous is part of as comparable to that posed by groups such as Islamic State. “Most of these NSN guys are blowhards,” says one security source. Still, this doesn’t discount the intense fear they can cause those they troll on video and posts, including female politicians.

In his Wednesday address to political and security leaders and the media, Burgess said that while his agency’s terror case load had dropped, radicalism in Australia was rising. “Some Australians believe the government’s approach to vaccinations and lockdowns infringed their freedoms. And in a small number of cases, grievance turned to violence,” he said.

If Eracleous is your typical suburban neo-Nazi, the assortment of groups who participated in the recent protests outside the nation’s parliaments cover the political spectrum, with concerns ranging from lockdowns to paedophiles and other QAnon-style conspiracies.

Policing briefings about one of the most active groups, Sovereign Citizens, sighted by this masthead state its members aren’t considered a terror threat. The group believes the power of the state is illegitimate and has recently escalated a campaign involving attending police stations to deliver arrest warrants that name politicians.

Yet the briefings also make clear that concern some members could cross over into violence requires policing vigilance. At least two Sovereign Citizens have recently been arrested, one over an alleged “incitement to deprive liberty” and another for firearms offensives.

The White Rose Society, an anti-fascist research group that engages in deep internet dives to uncover and document extremist behaviour, has recently analysed hundreds of posts and videos uploaded by key members or affiliates of the Sovereign Citizens. Along with the bizarre conspiracy theories they peddle are consistent references to acquiring guns, liaising with veterans or police with firearms experience and using violence as a means of political expression.

In a Zoom chat this month, one of the group’s affiliates was recorded saying that “peaceful is lawful, but sometimes you need a sophisticated application of force”. Another extremist influencer responded: “that’s what we’re organising … only if everything else fails.”

A small number of politicians also appear willing to legitimise extremists. This week, federal politician Craig Kelly escorted a notorious right-wing extremist figure, Simeon Boikov, into Federal Parliament. Boikov leads a far-right Russian nationalist group in Australia and, according to official sources, has been on the intelligence services’ radar since at least 2014.

To date, the various extremist groups seeking to recruit and radicalise more Australians appear to have had limited success in signing up military veterans. White Rose has identified nine ex-military members who have recently played key roles in extremist groups agitating for political insurrection. This targeting of veterans is not anywhere near the scale of American militia and far-right cells, but is still deeply concerning to ASIO and the Australian Defence Force, which has increased its vetting of members to identify budding extremists.

Security agencies hope some agitators will lose motivation with the relaxing of pandemic-linked restrictions, although a new wave of infections or other international events, such as conflict in Ukraine (where neo-Nazi militias seek to recruit foreign fighters) could help radicalise more Australians.

Says Burgess: “We assess that these tensions and the associated possibility of violence will persist.”

Ta.

>riven with internal conflicts

That’s typical of extreme right groups.

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Date: 12/02/2022 14:25:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847752
Subject: re: Aust Politics

They’ll probably vote for the cheesiest candidate.

All eyes on Bega as Liberal and Labor make last ditch attempt to swing voters in NSW by-election

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/nsw-byelections-voting-bega-monaro-strathfield-willoughby/100825224

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Date: 12/02/2022 17:07:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847800
Subject: re: Aust Politics

COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

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Date: 12/02/2022 17:11:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847801
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

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Date: 12/02/2022 17:13:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1847802
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

I saw one of them on my facebook. Sharing craig kelly she was. Today she was sharing demo footage. I feel sorry for her. The rest of them however can go jump.

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Date: 12/02/2022 17:15:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1847805
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

They could have shipped some in from the surrounding states.

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Date: 12/02/2022 17:47:08
From: Michael V
ID: 1847812
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

They drove there from other jurisdictions. To emulate what’s happening in Canada.

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Date: 12/02/2022 17:50:15
From: Neophyte
ID: 1847813
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

They drove there from other jurisdictions. To emulate what’s happening in Canada.

Someone on Twitter noted that after protesting about the Government building anti-vaxxer camps, they have not only built one themselves, but delivered themselves to it.

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Date: 12/02/2022 18:06:18
From: transition
ID: 1847828
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

all part of the force of the pro-endemic eclectic, plenty detail in that page from your trusty ABC

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Date: 12/02/2022 19:34:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847901
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 protesters force cancellation of ACT Lifeline charity book fair, breach barricades at Parliament House
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/thousands-of-protesters-against-mandatory-vaccination/100825478

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

They drove there from other jurisdictions. To emulate what’s happening in Canada.

Monkey see, monkey do.

They so desperately want to be Americans.

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Date: 12/02/2022 19:47:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847905
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘Polls close in NSW by-elections, final results could be days away
By Riley Stuart
Polls close and counting begins in four NSW by-elections, which loom as an early litmus test for Premier Dominic Perrottet’s leadership.’

It’s not like it was a difficult decision.

“do you want this State to continue to be run by a cheese stick in a suit? Yes/No.”

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Date: 12/02/2022 20:00:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847907
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

‘Polls close in NSW by-elections, final results could be days away
By Riley Stuart
Polls close and counting begins in four NSW by-elections, which loom as an early litmus test for Premier Dominic Perrottet’s leadership.’

It’s not like it was a difficult decision.

“do you want this State to continue to be run by a cheese stick in a suit? Yes/No.”

That might be just what they want in Bega.

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Date: 12/02/2022 20:35:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847910
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Polls close in NSW by-elections, final results could be days away
By Riley Stuart
Polls close and counting begins in four NSW by-elections, which loom as an early litmus test for Premier Dominic Perrottet’s leadership.’

It’s not like it was a difficult decision.

“do you want this State to continue to be run by a cheese stick in a suit? Yes/No.”

That might be just what they want in Bega.

contains no added colour

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:00:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847913
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Polls close in NSW by-elections, final results could be days away
By Riley Stuart
Polls close and counting begins in four NSW by-elections, which loom as an early litmus test for Premier Dominic Perrottet’s leadership.’

It’s not like it was a difficult decision.

“do you want this State to continue to be run by a cheese stick in a suit? Yes/No.”

That might be just what they want in Bega.

contains no added colour

But no, looks like they’re sick of them:

Live: Labor to win Bega at by-election, plunging NSW government further into minority

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/nsw-byelections-live-coverage/100822644

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:04:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847915
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


But no, looks like they’re sick of them:

Live: Labor to win Bega at by-election, plunging NSW government further into minority

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/nsw-byelections-live-coverage/100822644

…it’ll be the first time in recorded history that Bega has gone Labor.

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:08:43
From: party_pants
ID: 1847916
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

But no, looks like they’re sick of them:

Live: Labor to win Bega at by-election, plunging NSW government further into minority

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/nsw-byelections-live-coverage/100822644

…it’ll be the first time in recorded history that Bega has gone Labor.

that would be tasty.

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:17:52
From: buffy
ID: 1847918
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Didn’t realise there were so many morons in the ACT.

They drove there from other jurisdictions. To emulate what’s happening in Canada.

Monkey see, monkey do.

They so desperately want to be Americans.

Actually they don’t know what they want. No two of them want the same thing. It’s a real hodge podge of people.

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:23:45
From: buffy
ID: 1847919
Subject: re: Aust Politics

How many by elections are there in NSW?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/nsw-byelections-live-coverage/100822644

>>Strathfield and Monaro called

ABC chief elections analyst Antony Green says Labor’s Jason Yat-Sen Li will win the seat of Strathfield in Sydney’s inner west.

Jason Yat-sen Li is set to win on a slim margin against the Liberal’s Bridget Sakr.

Meanwhile, Green says The Nationals will hold the seat of Monaro, despite a swing of more than 7 per cent to the ALP.

With 26 per cent of the vote counted, Nationals candidate Nichole Overall has a 3.9 per cent buffer over Labor’s Bryce Wilson.

The seat of Willoughby, which had been held by former premier Gladys Berejiklian, remains too close to call.<<

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:24:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847920
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:

Actually they don’t know what they want. No two of them want the same thing. It’s a real hodge podge of people.

That’s a bit of a worry, really, because it’s just that kind of directionless and confused people, unable to think for themselves and yearning for a strong voice to steer them to where they’re led to believe that they want to go, that can be cajoled into the most awful kinds of politics and actions.

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:29:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847922
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

But no, looks like they’re sick of them:

Live: Labor to win Bega at by-election, plunging NSW government further into minority

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/nsw-byelections-live-coverage/100822644

…it’ll be the first time in recorded history that Bega has gone Labor.

that would be tasty.

there’s still always Coon sorry we mean Cheer for the added colour

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:34:00
From: dv
ID: 1847923
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Shit, looks like ALP will win Bega for the first time ever, with a double digit swing.

5% swing to ALP in the Monaro but Nats will retain. Strathfield will be held by ALP but no real swing.

Willoughby will probably be held by Libs but with a 20% swing away, versus an independent. This was Gladys’s old seat.

Got to say I’m surprised, I thought it would basically be a neutral result. Protest vote I guess.

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:41:15
From: dv
ID: 1847925
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I mean I suppose anything that happens is a phenomenon.

The Coalition now holds 44 seats in the 93 seat parliament.

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:44:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847927
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

Shit, looks like ALP will win Bega for the first time ever, with a double digit swing.

5% swing to ALP in the Monaro but Nats will retain. Strathfield will be held by ALP but no real swing.

Willoughby will probably be held by Libs but with a 20% swing away, versus an independent. This was Gladys’s old seat.

Got to say I’m surprised, I thought it would basically be a neutral result. Protest vote I guess.

good news is that we can use up the angry dry tinder now before it costs the federal Corruption later

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:45:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847928
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:

I mean I suppose anything that happens is a phenomenon.

The Coalition now holds 44 seats in the 93 seat parliament.

https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt

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Date: 12/02/2022 21:47:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847931
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I mean I suppose anything that happens is a phenomenon.

The Coalition now holds 44 seats in the 93 seat parliament.

There are phenomena, and there are phenomena.

He didn’t say that it was a ‘good’ phenomenon for the Libs.

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Date: 13/02/2022 07:39:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1847967
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Liberal candidate Fiona Kotvojs’s primary vote was about 35 per cent.

Her Coalition colleague Trent Zimmerman, the federal MP for North Sydney, described the result as “a huge disappointment”.

but come on at least toe the party line, was it a phenomenal disappointment or was it not

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Date: 13/02/2022 08:04:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1847968
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

Actually they don’t know what they want. No two of them want the same thing. It’s a real hodge podge of people.

That’s a bit of a worry, really, because it’s just that kind of directionless and confused people, unable to think for themselves and yearning for a strong voice to steer them to where they’re led to believe that they want to go, that can be cajoled into the most awful kinds of politics and actions.

Is this a world deprived of meaning?

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Date: 13/02/2022 08:06:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1847969
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


I mean I suppose anything that happens is a phenomenon.

The Coalition now holds 44 seats in the 93 seat parliament.

I note the crowd in back weren’t particularly cheering.

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Date: 13/02/2022 08:31:40
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1847974
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I wonder if the lass on the right is a Joyce offspring?

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Date: 13/02/2022 08:36:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1847976
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


I wonder if the lass on the right is a Joyce offspring?


I suppose he’s popped in to visit a few while on his rounds.

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Date: 13/02/2022 08:37:47
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1847977
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

I wonder if the lass on the right is a Joyce offspring?


I suppose he’s popped in to visit a few while on his rounds.

If it Barnaby’s daughter she may just be hugging her future step-mother.

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Date: 13/02/2022 09:34:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1847993
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


I wonder if the lass on the right is a Joyce offspring?


Barnaby may be wondering the same thing.

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Date: 13/02/2022 11:43:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848035
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Some now saying supermarkets spiked their food with gastro..

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Date: 13/02/2022 11:46:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848037
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Just a reminder about the #bullshitandspin being spun at the moment in the Nine Fairfax stable and other GoodLittleJournalist sites that Jenny Morrison rarely interacts with the media – a woman who has been out there campaigning solidly with her husband for the last 4 weeks

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Date: 13/02/2022 11:47:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848038
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Just a reminder about the #bullshitandspin being spun at the moment in the Nine Fairfax stable and other GoodLittleJournalist sites that Jenny Morrison rarely interacts with the media – a woman who has been out there campaigning solidly with her husband for the last 4 weeks


She knows where the money comes from?

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Date: 13/02/2022 11:50:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848040
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Just a reminder about the #bullshitandspin being spun at the moment in the Nine Fairfax stable and other GoodLittleJournalist sites that Jenny Morrison rarely interacts with the media – a woman who has been out there campaigning solidly with her husband for the last 4 weeks


So why are 9/Fairfax saying she doesn’t, if she does?

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Date: 13/02/2022 11:51:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848041
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

Just a reminder about the #bullshitandspin being spun at the moment in the Nine Fairfax stable and other GoodLittleJournalist sites that Jenny Morrison rarely interacts with the media – a woman who has been out there campaigning solidly with her husband for the last 4 weeks


She knows where the money comes from?

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

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Date: 13/02/2022 11:58:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848050
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Just a reminder about the #bullshitandspin being spun at the moment in the Nine Fairfax stable and other GoodLittleJournalist sites that Jenny Morrison rarely interacts with the media – a woman who has been out there campaigning solidly with her husband for the last 4 weeks


She knows where the money comes from?

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

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Date: 13/02/2022 11:59:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848053
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

She knows where the money comes from?

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

Yeah criticism of the Nine media network is a favourite pursuit of the mob.

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:00:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848055
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

She knows where the money comes from?

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

Next thing you know, we’ll be camping outside of the chambers of government and shitting on the lawn.

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:00:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848056
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

Yeah criticism of the Nine media network is a favourite pursuit of the mob.

Yeah, fuck Murdoch!

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:01:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848057
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

Yeah criticism of the Nine media network is a favourite pursuit of the mob.

Yeah, fuck Murdoch!

There seems to have been a small procession of ladies who were unable to bring themselves to do that for very long.

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:08:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848058
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah criticism of the Nine media network is a favourite pursuit of the mob.

Yeah, fuck Murdoch!

There seems to have been a small procession of ladies who were unable to bring themselves to do that for very long.

also Nein isn’t Murdoch.

:-)

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:13:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848064
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

Yeah criticism of the Nine media network is a favourite pursuit of the mob.

Yeah, fuck Murdoch!

Not with a ten foot pole.

Then again.. on second thoughts he needs a 12 foot pole to get past the BS.

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:13:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848065
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

She knows where the money comes from?

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:15:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848067
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

2 was actually countless.

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:54:56
From: buffy
ID: 1848078
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

I bet she knows that the wife of the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t get nearly as many opportunities for tax-payer-funded travel around the world, staying in the nice places, and getting first-class treatment from the hosts.

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:57:41
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848079
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

First comes ‘a few’.

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Date: 13/02/2022 12:59:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848081
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


buffy said:

JudgeMental said:

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

First comes ‘a few’.

a few too many ?

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:02:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848082
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You’re all starting to work yourselves up into a mob now.

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

we know 2 doesn’t equal many but the PM doesn’t seem to.

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:04:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848083
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


buffy said:

JudgeMental said:

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

we know 2 doesn’t equal many but the PM doesn’t seem to.

The numbers after two are countless.

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:06:15
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848084
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

we know 2 doesn’t equal many but the PM doesn’t seem to.

The numbers after two are countless.

almost…

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:06:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848085
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


buffy said:

JudgeMental said:

LOL, i don’t think 3 make a mob. you appear to have the same numeracy skills as your beloved leader where 2 equals many.

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

we know 2 doesn’t equal many but the PM doesn’t seem to.

but really anyone who’s simply looking out for number 1 might well fail to recognise that there are any greater numbers

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:06:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848086
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

we know 2 doesn’t equal many but the PM doesn’t seem to.

The numbers after two are countless.

almost…

alephed

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:15:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848089
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

No, no, it goes one, two, many. Two isn’t many…

we know 2 doesn’t equal many but the PM doesn’t seem to.

but really anyone who’s simply looking out for number 1 might well fail to recognise that there are any greater numbers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIJOO__jVo

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:27:28
From: Tamb
ID: 1848092
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

we know 2 doesn’t equal many but the PM doesn’t seem to.

but really anyone who’s simply looking out for number 1 might well fail to recognise that there are any greater numbers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIJOO__jVo

. Blake’s Australian Aboriginal Languages points out Aborigines felt no need to count, and while they all had words for “one” and “two” only some made it to “three” and “four”. 1 The Walpiri, for example, only has words for “one”, “two”, and “many”,

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:41:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848094
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

but really anyone who’s simply looking out for number 1 might well fail to recognise that there are any greater numbers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIJOO__jVo

. Blake’s Australian Aboriginal Languages points out Aborigines felt no need to count, and while they all had words for “one” and “two” only some made it to “three” and “four”. 1 The Walpiri, for example, only has words for “one”, “two”, and “many”,

And that’s why their circles are not quite round.

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Date: 13/02/2022 13:51:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848096
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In the wash-up from yesterday’s historic ALP by-election win in the seat of Bega, Premier Dominic Perrottet concedes he needs to reflect on the results in the four seats.

He can count to four.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:08:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848097
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIJOO__jVo

. Blake’s Australian Aboriginal Languages points out Aborigines felt no need to count, and while they all had words for “one” and “two” only some made it to “three” and “four”. 1 The Walpiri, for example, only has words for “one”, “two”, and “many”,

And that’s why their circles are not quite round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zn7z04wsg-M

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:15:06
From: Tamb
ID: 1848098
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


In the wash-up from yesterday’s historic ALP by-election win in the seat of Bega, Premier Dominic Perrottet concedes he needs to reflect on the results in the four seats.

He can count to four.


Like this: ahdeen
dvah
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chihteereh

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:35:28
From: dv
ID: 1848100
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

Just a reminder about the #bullshitandspin being spun at the moment in the Nine Fairfax stable and other GoodLittleJournalist sites that Jenny Morrison rarely interacts with the media – a woman who has been out there campaigning solidly with her husband for the last 4 weeks


So why are 9/Fairfax saying she doesn’t, if she does?

Maybe bullshit is their default mode

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:38:18
From: dv
ID: 1848101
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


In the wash-up from yesterday’s historic ALP by-election win in the seat of Bega, Premier Dominic Perrottet concedes he needs to reflect on the results in the four seats.

He can count to four.

Damn his mood has changed since last night

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:41:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848102
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Just a reminder about the #bullshitandspin being spun at the moment in the Nine Fairfax stable and other GoodLittleJournalist sites that Jenny Morrison rarely interacts with the media – a woman who has been out there campaigning solidly with her husband for the last 4 weeks


So why are 9/Fairfax saying she doesn’t, if she does?

Maybe bullshit is their default mode

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:42:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848103
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So why are 9/Fairfax saying she doesn’t, if she does?

Maybe bullshit is their default mode

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

Didn’t see any outrage. So no, I cannot.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:47:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848105
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Maybe bullshit is their default mode

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

Didn’t see any outrage. So no, I cannot.

Jenny Morrison ‘sick to her stomach’ about ‘psycho’ texts targeting Prime Minister
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/jenny-morrison-sick-to-her-stomach-about-psycho-texts-targeting-prime-minister-20220211-p59vt4.html

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:47:27
From: dv
ID: 1848106
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

. Blake’s Australian Aboriginal Languages points out Aborigines felt no need to count, and while they all had words for “one” and “two” only some made it to “three” and “four”. 1 The Walpiri, for example, only has words for “one”, “two”, and “many”,

And that’s why their circles are not quite round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zn7z04wsg-M

Several Eastern states aboriginal languages use base 5 – 25 number systems e.g Dhauwurd Wurrung and Gumatj. These give numbers up to 124.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:47:50
From: dv
ID: 1848107
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So why are 9/Fairfax saying she doesn’t, if she does?

Maybe bullshit is their default mode

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

Is there outrage?

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:48:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848108
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

Didn’t see any outrage. So no, I cannot.

Jenny Morrison ‘sick to her stomach’ about ‘psycho’ texts targeting Prime Minister
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/jenny-morrison-sick-to-her-stomach-about-psycho-texts-targeting-prime-minister-20220211-p59vt4.html

When one gets that sinking feeling in the guts. The knowledge that the truth hurts can be a relevation.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:50:26
From: Michael V
ID: 1848109
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So why are 9/Fairfax saying she doesn’t, if she does?

Maybe bullshit is their default mode

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

I can’t read the image, so I get no information that might support outrage.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:52:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848110
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Maybe bullshit is their default mode

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

I can’t read the image, so I get no information that might support outrage.

Same.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:53:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848112
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

I can’t read the image, so I get no information that might support outrage.

Same.

so PWM is the only one outraged, apparently. LOL. I don’t think that quite worked out how he wanted it to.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:55:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848115
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I can’t read the image, so I get no information that might support outrage.

Same.

so PWM is the only one outraged, apparently. LOL. I don’t think that quite worked out how he wanted it to.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:56:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848117
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Could someone explain what the outrage is about?

I can’t read the image, so I get no information that might support outrage.

Same.

There is no outrage. It doesn’t matter that we can’t read the fine print. Jenny is being sold to us as a private person who is now making a statement and yet he has been hard on the campaign trail for some time and hasn’t been since the last election. All we can take away from this is that the election hasn’t been called but the electioneering is well on the way.

Also Jenny is concerned about people bullying her husband on the internets. Is there a bill for that?

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:58:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848120
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I can’t read the image, so I get no information that might support outrage.

Same.

There is no outrage. It doesn’t matter that we can’t read the fine print. Jenny is being sold to us as a private person who is now making a statement and yet he has been hard on the campaign trail for some time and hasn’t been since the last election. All we can take away from this is that the election hasn’t been called but the electioneering is well on the way.

Also Jenny is concerned about people bullying her husband on the internets. Is there a bill for that?

Jenny has been mentioned as his reference to how he handles women on a few occasions.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:58:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848121
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I can’t read the image, so I get no information that might support outrage.

Same.

There is no outrage. It doesn’t matter that we can’t read the fine print. Jenny is being sold to us as a private person who is now making a statement and yet he has been hard on the campaign trail for some time and hasn’t been since the last election. All we can take away from this is that the election hasn’t been called but the electioneering is well on the way.

Also Jenny is concerned about people bullying her husband on the internets. Is there a bill for that?

yet she has been hard on the campaign trail

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:58:43
From: Woodie
ID: 1848123
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Didn’t see any outrage. So no, I cannot.

Jenny Morrison ‘sick to her stomach’ about ‘psycho’ texts targeting Prime Minister
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/jenny-morrison-sick-to-her-stomach-about-psycho-texts-targeting-prime-minister-20220211-p59vt4.html

When one gets that sinking feeling in the guts. The knowledge that the truth hurts can be a relevation.

What’s the prob, hey what but. God says to just “turn the other cheek”.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:59:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848124
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Same.

There is no outrage. It doesn’t matter that we can’t read the fine print. Jenny is being sold to us as a private person who is now making a statement and yet he has been hard on the campaign trail for some time and hasn’t been since the last election. All we can take away from this is that the election hasn’t been called but the electioneering is well on the way.

Also Jenny is concerned about people bullying her husband on the internets. Is there a bill for that?

Jenny has been mentioned as his reference to how he handles women on a few occasions.

But she hasn’t been wheeled into the kitchen much. Mostly he comes out later with what Jenny said.

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Date: 13/02/2022 14:59:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848125
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Same.

There is no outrage. It doesn’t matter that we can’t read the fine print. Jenny is being sold to us as a private person who is now making a statement and yet he has been hard on the campaign trail for some time and hasn’t been since the last election. All we can take away from this is that the election hasn’t been called but the electioneering is well on the way.

Also Jenny is concerned about people bullying her husband on the internets. Is there a bill for that?

yet she has been hard on the campaign trail

She doesn’t want to lose all the perks.

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Date: 13/02/2022 15:00:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848127
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Jenny Morrison ‘sick to her stomach’ about ‘psycho’ texts targeting Prime Minister
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/jenny-morrison-sick-to-her-stomach-about-psycho-texts-targeting-prime-minister-20220211-p59vt4.html

When one gets that sinking feeling in the guts. The knowledge that the truth hurts can be a relevation.

What’s the prob, hey what but. God says to just “turn the other cheek”.

Tthat’s only because he wants a different angle of penetration.

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Date: 13/02/2022 15:00:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848128
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Jenny Morrison ‘sick to her stomach’ about ‘psycho’ texts targeting Prime Minister
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/jenny-morrison-sick-to-her-stomach-about-psycho-texts-targeting-prime-minister-20220211-p59vt4.html

When one gets that sinking feeling in the guts. The knowledge that the truth hurts can be a relevation.

What’s the prob, hey what but. God says to just “turn the other cheek”.

They don’t do the bible as we know it.

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Date: 13/02/2022 15:03:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848136
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Opposition Leader Chris Minns said the results in the four by-elections showed a high level of dissatisfaction with the coalition’s direction.

“It’s no good for hundreds of thousands of people to register an unhappiness with the direction of the government and then for the senior levels including the Premier to simply say nothing’s changed, we don’t hear the message at all,” he said.

“We want the NSW Government to do better, that might sound strange coming from an opposition but we are in the middle of a pandemic and our focus is on the people of NSW.”

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Date: 13/02/2022 17:01:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848186
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Blackfulla Revolution
2 mins ·
Colonisers with their Union Jack Swastikas, standing on the blood soaked stolen land their lot killed for.

White people’s genocide is them being offered a life saving vaccine.

FMD

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Date: 13/02/2022 17:28:19
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Blackfulla Revolution
2 mins ·
Colonisers with their Union Jack Swastikas, standing on the blood soaked stolen land their lot killed for.

White people’s genocide is them being offered a life saving vaccine.

FMD

If these people weren’t completely moronic they might be able to wake up and say, “Hey wait a minute, aren’t we being completely moronic?”

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Date: 13/02/2022 18:17:36
From: dv
ID: 1848217
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Hi de ho South Australian election is coming up and there’s still been no polling since July 2021.

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Date: 13/02/2022 19:22:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848247
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ABC News:

‘Premier defends move to refer Integrity Commissioner for possible investigation
By Emilie Gramenz and state political reporter Kate McKenna
The Queensland Premier confirms reports she referred the state’s Integrity Commissioner to a parliamentary committee over allegations of possible misconduct. But she denies it has anything to do with claims of interference.’

All that aside, i like what she’s done with her hair.

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Date: 14/02/2022 09:40:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848370
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/14/scott-morrisons-problems-wont-be-solved-by-jenny-or-engineered-tv-puffery

Link

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Date: 14/02/2022 09:53:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848377
Subject: re: Aust Politics

“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

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Date: 14/02/2022 10:21:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1848381
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

Do you have a reference?

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Date: 14/02/2022 10:22:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848382
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

Do you have a reference?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/climate-warrior-zali-steggall-failed-to-declare-six-figure-donation-from-family-trust-of-coal-investor-20220213-p59w0x.html

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Date: 14/02/2022 10:34:21
From: Michael V
ID: 1848384
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

Do you have a reference?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/climate-warrior-zali-steggall-failed-to-declare-six-figure-donation-from-family-trust-of-coal-investor-20220213-p59w0x.html

Ta.

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Date: 14/02/2022 10:41:17
From: dv
ID: 1848386
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Do you have a reference?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/climate-warrior-zali-steggall-failed-to-declare-six-figure-donation-from-family-trust-of-coal-investor-20220213-p59w0x.html

Ta.

Sad.

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Date: 14/02/2022 10:48:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848390
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

So why is a “coal investor” donating money to someone who crusades on climate change and what does him or her being accused of tax fraud have to do with it?

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Date: 14/02/2022 10:51:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848392
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

So why is a “coal investor” donating money to someone who crusades on climate change and what does him or her being accused of tax fraud have to do with it?

convenient timing

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Date: 14/02/2022 11:05:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848397
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

So why is a “coal investor” donating money to someone who crusades on climate change and what does him or her being accused of tax fraud have to do with it?

Boggle you boggle me.

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Date: 14/02/2022 11:06:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848398
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.”

Dear oh dear

So why is a “coal investor” donating money to someone who crusades on climate change and what does him or her being accused of tax fraud have to do with it?

convenient timing

so what was convenient?

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Date: 14/02/2022 11:08:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848399
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So why is a “coal investor” donating money to someone who crusades on climate change and what does him or her being accused of tax fraud have to do with it?

convenient timing

so what was convenient?

I imagine he meant convenient for the Liberal Party, with an election just round the corner, but that’s just my guess.

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Date: 14/02/2022 11:19:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848404
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>hopes her own daughters will be “fierce” but also show “manners and respect”

Good luck with that.

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Date: 14/02/2022 11:27:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848408
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


>hopes her own daughters will be “fierce” but also show “manners and respect”

Good luck with that.

Respect is something you earn, not demand.

If Scotty wants respect, then it’s up to Scotty to deserve it.

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Date: 14/02/2022 12:06:24
From: buffy
ID: 1848425
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/14/scott-morrisons-problems-wont-be-solved-by-jenny-or-engineered-tv-puffery

Link

Please can we have Catherine Murphy on Insiders next week?! And as an aside, I watched the news footage of the Australia Day “greeting”, and Grace Tame did in fact flash a quick smile at Jenny Morrison. It was short, but it was there.

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Date: 14/02/2022 12:57:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848438
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:00:28
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848440
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:09:06
From: Michael V
ID: 1848443
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

He’s got no choice but to do that – after all that lot is an important voting base for the Libs. And he needs votes.

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:11:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848444
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


…Grace Tame did in fact flash a quick smile at Jenny Morrison. It was short, but it was there.

Yes,i saw that, too.

And i thought, ‘she understands that it’s not Jenny’s fault that Scotty is a dill’.

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:11:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848445
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

he can get fucked then.

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:13:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848447
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

He’s got no choice but to do that – after all that lot is an important voting base for the Libs. And he needs votes.

Nah. The vast majority of Australians strongly disapprove of the anti-vax protesters.

He’s just making more unforced errors. He no longer seems to know which demographic he needs to impress.

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:14:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848448
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

he can get fucked then.

Which bring me back to my suggested election slogan:

‘F*** OFF, SCOTTY

Penetrates to the zeitgeist of the moment, appeals to the mass psychology of the time.

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:16:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848450
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

He’s got no choice but to do that – after all that lot is an important voting base for the Libs. And he needs votes.

Nah. The vast majority of Australians strongly disapprove of the anti-vax protesters.

He’s just making more unforced errors. He no longer seems to know which demographic he needs to impress.

Only a third of Australians have confidence in Morrison government, survey finds

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/14/only-a-third-of-australians-have-confidence-in-morrison-government-survey-finds

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:16:36
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1848451
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

he can get fucked then.

Which bring me back to my suggested election slogan:

‘F*** OFF, SCOTTY

Penetrates to the zeitgeist of the moment, appeals to the mass psychology of the time.

“Am I ever going to see your face again…”

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:17:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848452
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Dark Orange said:


captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

he can get fucked then.

Which bring me back to my suggested election slogan:

‘F*** OFF, SCOTTY

Penetrates to the zeitgeist of the moment, appeals to the mass psychology of the time.

“Am I ever going to see your face again…”

Ooh, we could use that.

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:25:35
From: Michael V
ID: 1848454
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

He’s got no choice but to do that – after all that lot is an important voting base for the Libs. And he needs votes.

Nah. The vast majority of Australians strongly disapprove of the anti-vax protesters.

He’s just making more unforced errors. He no longer seems to know which demographic he needs to impress.

If he actually did his job instead of nothing, he would impress a lot more people, and not have to concern himself about which demographic to snuggle up to.

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:38:15
From: transition
ID: 1848457
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

it wasn’t the impression I got, that he sided with protesters, though he may be siding more philosophically with laissez-faire, applied endemic covid, though I have doubts applied of covid that was always his position re covid, more came around to it from forces larger

subject protesters i’m not sure to brand them all irrational anti-vaxxers represents them helpfully

I mean for example there might be some people in that lot with vaccine injuries, or know someone that has an injury that way (and a few that imagine it no doubt)

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Date: 14/02/2022 13:54:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848460
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Scott Morrison’s ukulele rendition of April Sun in Cuba labelled ‘cynical’ by band behind 1977 hit

The New Zealand band Dragon said ‘Maybe if his trip to Hawaii had not been cut short, he could have learn the lyrics to the rest of the chorus’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/14/scott-morrisons-ukulele-rendition-of-april-in-the-sun-in-cuba-labelled-cynical-by-band-behind-1977-hit

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Date: 14/02/2022 14:41:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848468
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

He’s got no choice but to do that – after all that lot is an important voting base for the Libs. And he needs votes.

Nah. The vast majority of Australians strongly disapprove of the anti-vax protesters.

He’s just making more unforced errors. He no longer seems to know which demographic he needs to impress.

If he actually did his job instead of nothing, he would impress a lot more people, and not have to concern himself about which demographic to snuggle up to.

one he probably doesn’t know how to do the job properly but

two maybe it’s a scorched earth policy for whoever rolls his leadership in

three… two… one…

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Date: 14/02/2022 14:42:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848469
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Nah. The vast majority of Australians strongly disapprove of the anti-vax protesters.

He’s just making more unforced errors. He no longer seems to know which demographic he needs to impress.

If he actually did his job instead of nothing, he would impress a lot more people, and not have to concern himself about which demographic to snuggle up to.

one he probably doesn’t know how to do the job properly but

two maybe it’s a scorched earth policy for whoever rolls his leadership in

three… two… one…

Jesus will come again and save him. But not you or me.

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Date: 14/02/2022 15:02:20
From: dv
ID: 1848473
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A somewhat better Newspoll for the Coalition today, Labor leading 55-45

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Date: 14/02/2022 15:13:15
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1848474
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 14/02/2022 15:20:11
From: dv
ID: 1848475
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Former Liberal MP

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Date: 14/02/2022 15:58:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848484
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Former Liberal MP


I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:04:45
From: dv
ID: 1848486
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Now that’s a decent pipe

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:06:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848487
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Now that’s a decent pipe

now that’s a nice smile.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:08:44
From: Michael V
ID: 1848488
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Former Liberal MP


I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

Fair call. I found that annoying, too.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:14:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848489
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Former Liberal MP


I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

Fair call. I found that annoying, too.

Also..who feeds the chooks? Or did he build a chicken house for ornament?

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:27:45
From: Michael V
ID: 1848490
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

Fair call. I found that annoying, too.

Also..who feeds the chooks? Or did he build a chicken house for ornament?

I don’t know anything about chooks at Kirribilli House.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:27:57
From: buffy
ID: 1848491
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Former Liberal MP


I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:33:39
From: Tamb
ID: 1848493
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Former Liberal MP


I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

Sutherland Shire. Engadine maybe.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:36:50
From: buffy
ID: 1848495
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/home-affairs-staffers-rack-up-500-000-in-airbnb-bills/100827976

I wonder why the ANU accommodation “wasn’t available” from August last year. I think unis were still all online at that point.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:39:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848498
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/home-affairs-staffers-rack-up-500-000-in-airbnb-bills/100827976

I wonder why the ANU accommodation “wasn’t available” from August last year. I think unis were still all online at that point.

Also, that’s nothing, Clover spent 30 times Moore than that just travelling around Sydney.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:44:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848499
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Former Liberal MP


I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:46:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848500
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

what if one spends 4 days in main accommodation and 3 days partying in the other place each weekend

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:46:51
From: Tamb
ID: 1848501
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.


I agree. She couldn’t invite people to her “Home” as she isn’t living there.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:47:14
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848502
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

Understanding protesters does not equate to agreeing with them.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:47:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848503
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.


I agree. She couldn’t invite people to her “Home” as she isn’t living there.

Also, What Would Semantle Say ¿

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:47:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848504
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

I agree. I’m more worried about the council by-laws regarding the keeping of poultry in whatever shire the chook pen is situated in. and whether there are any chooks at all.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:48:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848505
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

what if one spends 4 days in main accommodation and 3 days partying in the other place each weekend

Then both would be home, assuming this was over some lengthy period.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:48:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848506
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

I read of Abanese telling protestors to go home. Did ScoMo make a statement?

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

Understanding protesters does not equate to agreeing with them.

The article does not state that he understands this distinction but hey there are always very fine people on all sides ¡

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:51:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848507
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.


I agree. She couldn’t invite people to her “Home” as she isn’t living there.


This what irked me. She expected people to have ‘manners’ because they are invited into ‘our home’.

Didn’t sit well with me.
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Date: 14/02/2022 16:52:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848509
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

Understanding protesters does not equate to agreeing with them.

The article does not state that he understands this distinction but hey there are always very fine people on all sides ¡

He doesn’t understand or agree with them. He is simply trying to placate them into not blaming him. I don’t hold the hose.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:52:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848510
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Scomo sided with the protesters:

Scott Morrison says he ‘understands’ Canberra antivax protesters amid skirmishes with police
Prime minister says Australia ‘a free country’ and blames states for Covid vaccine mandates

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/12/scott-morrison-says-he-understands-canberra-antivax-protesters-amid-clashes-with-police

Understanding protesters does not equate to agreeing with them.

The article does not state that he understands this distinction but hey there are always very fine people on all sides ¡

““Australia is a free country and they have a right to protest,” he said. “I would ask them to do that in a peaceful and respectful way.””

That seems quite reasonable

“Morrison said the federal government had only ever supported mandates for aged care and disability workers, as well as health workers in high-risk situations.

“All other mandates that relate to vaccines have been imposed unilaterally by state governments,” he said. “They have not been put in place by the commonwealth government … so I understand their concerns about these issues.””

That seems to be saying that not only do they have a right to protest, he supports their protests.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:56:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848516
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Understanding protesters does not equate to agreeing with them.

The article does not state that he understands this distinction but hey there are always very fine people on all sides ¡

““Australia is a free country and they have a right to protest,” he said. “I would ask them to do that in a peaceful and respectful way.””

That seems quite reasonable

“Morrison said the federal government had only ever supported mandates for aged care and disability workers, as well as health workers in high-risk situations.

“All other mandates that relate to vaccines have been imposed unilaterally by state governments,” he said. “They have not been put in place by the commonwealth government … so I understand their concerns about these issues.””

That seems to be saying that not only do they have a right to protest, he supports their protests.

Did he not protest the measures imposed unilaterally by state governments, himself ¿

Guess that might tell us whether he supports or agrees with them yes.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:56:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848517
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

I agree. I’m more worried about the council by-laws regarding the keeping of poultry in whatever shire the chook pen is situated in. and whether there are any chooks at all.

If there ae no chooks then they don’t need feeding.

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:57:59
From: Tamb
ID: 1848519
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

I agree. I’m more worried about the council by-laws regarding the keeping of poultry in whatever shire the chook pen is situated in. and whether there are any chooks at all.

If there ae no chooks then they don’t need feeding.

Wasn’t it Joh who coined the phrase?

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Date: 14/02/2022 16:58:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848520
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

what if one spends 4 days in main accommodation and 3 days partying in the other place each weekend

Then both would be home, assuming this was over some lengthy period.

so that person would have a countless number of homes

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:02:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848522
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Tamb said:


sarahs mum said:

JudgeMental said:

I agree. I’m more worried about the council by-laws regarding the keeping of poultry in whatever shire the chook pen is situated in. and whether there are any chooks at all.

If there ae no chooks then they don’t need feeding.

Wasn’t it Joh who coined the phrase?

Which phrase was that? Hope your mothers chooks grow into emus and kick the pen down?

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:03:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848523
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

IHTMAMAA but,
in my opinion your “home” is where you are living at any given time, except when travelling.

I agree. I’m more worried about the council by-laws regarding the keeping of poultry in whatever shire the chook pen is situated in. and whether there are any chooks at all.

If there ae no chooks then they don’t need feeding.

I got that.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:03:48
From: Tamb
ID: 1848524
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

If there ae no chooks then they don’t need feeding.

Wasn’t it Joh who coined the phrase?

Which phrase was that? Hope your mothers chooks grow into emus and kick the pen down?


He called press conferences “Feeding the chooks”

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:03:56
From: dv
ID: 1848525
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

If there ae no chooks then they don’t need feeding.

Wasn’t it Joh who coined the phrase?

Which phrase was that? Hope your mothers chooks grow into emus and kick the pen down?

“feeding the chooks”

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:16:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848527
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Wasn’t it Joh who coined the phrase?

Which phrase was that? Hope your mothers chooks grow into emus and kick the pen down?

“feeding the chooks”

Well he was a peanut farmer.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:17:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848528
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/liberal-mp-promotes-taking-ivermectin-for-covid-19/100828744

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:20:20
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848530
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Which phrase was that? Hope your mothers chooks grow into emus and kick the pen down?

“feeding the chooks”

Well he was a peanut farmer.

That’s a terrible thing to say about the people of QLD.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:27:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848531
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

“feeding the chooks”

Well he was a peanut farmer.

That’s a terrible thing to say about the people of QLD.

It is up to yourself how you identify yourself.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:30:20
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1848532
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Former Liberal MP


I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the family of the PM to call the Lodge (or Kirribilli House for that matter) “home”.

What seems odd to me is the notion that someone invited to a function at your home needs to be smiling in order to demonstrate manners.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:32:51
From: buffy
ID: 1848533
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the family of the PM to call the Lodge (or Kirribilli House for that matter) “home”.

What seems odd to me is the notion that someone invited to a function at your home needs to be smiling in order to demonstrate manners.

But The Lodge or Kirribilli House aren’t really homes in the sense intended. I’m pretty sure the people were attending a function in the “public rooms” and not going into the living quarters.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:33:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848534
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m okay with a PM feeling at home at the Lodge (or Kirribilli now by precedent) but I do cringe when Jenny talks about letting peole into her home instead of being received at a function, paid for by taxpayers, at a venue paid for by taxpayers.

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the family of the PM to call the Lodge (or Kirribilli House for that matter) “home”.

What seems odd to me is the notion that someone invited to a function at your home needs to be smiling in order to demonstrate manners.

Particularly when many of your guests are politicians.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:34:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848535
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the family of the PM to call the Lodge (or Kirribilli House for that matter) “home”.

What seems odd to me is the notion that someone invited to a function at your home needs to be smiling in order to demonstrate manners.

But The Lodge or Kirribilli House aren’t really homes in the sense intended. I’m pretty sure the people were attending a function in the “public rooms” and not going into the living quarters.

This is how I’d see it. Not that I’ve been invited.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:34:40
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1848536
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Which phrase was that? Hope your mothers chooks grow into emus and kick the pen down?

“feeding the chooks”

Well he was a peanut farmer.

my mother grew up in Kingaroy.. went to school with the Bjelke-Petersen kids

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:35:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848537
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

“feeding the chooks”

Well he was a peanut farmer.

my mother grew up in Kingaroy.. went to school with the Bjelke-Petersen kids

Someone had to do it.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:35:50
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1848538
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

I thought that, but only mentioned it to Mr buffy. It is not their home, it is the house they live in while he is Prime Minister. Their home is in Sydney, I think.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the family of the PM to call the Lodge (or Kirribilli House for that matter) “home”.

What seems odd to me is the notion that someone invited to a function at your home needs to be smiling in order to demonstrate manners.

But The Lodge or Kirribilli House aren’t really homes in the sense intended. I’m pretty sure the people were attending a function in the “public rooms” and not going into the living quarters.

even if it’s part time, it’s where they live with their family..

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:37:10
From: buffy
ID: 1848539
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mr buffy thinks he remembers Tony Abbott wheeling out the wife and daughters just prior to losing his seat.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:38:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848540
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Mr buffy thinks he remembers Tony Abbott wheeling out the wife and daughters just prior to losing his seat.

Yes. He wheeled them out on several occasions.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:39:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848541
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Mr buffy thinks he remembers Tony Abbott wheeling out the wife and daughters just prior to losing his seat.

his not bad looking daughters.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:39:59
From: buffy
ID: 1848542
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

diddly-squat said:

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the family of the PM to call the Lodge (or Kirribilli House for that matter) “home”.

What seems odd to me is the notion that someone invited to a function at your home needs to be smiling in order to demonstrate manners.

But The Lodge or Kirribilli House aren’t really homes in the sense intended. I’m pretty sure the people were attending a function in the “public rooms” and not going into the living quarters.

even if it’s part time, it’s where they live with their family..

I think they live in Kirribilli, ala TA. Mr buffy and I have been to Government House in Melbourne for a handing out of medals thing. In no way was it considered that we were visiting the Governor in her home. We were all in the ballroom, and after the formalities some of the public rooms were open for us to walk around and admire. The private areas were very distinctly off limits.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:40:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848543
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

But The Lodge or Kirribilli House aren’t really homes in the sense intended. I’m pretty sure the people were attending a function in the “public rooms” and not going into the living quarters.

even if it’s part time, it’s where they live with their family..

I think they live in Kirribilli, ala TA. Mr buffy and I have been to Government House in Melbourne for a handing out of medals thing. In no way was it considered that we were visiting the Governor in her home. We were all in the ballroom, and after the formalities some of the public rooms were open for us to walk around and admire. The private areas were very distinctly off limits.

Exactly.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:42:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848544
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Anyway, it wasn’t like the Morrisons were not already aware of the strength of the animosity.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:42:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848545
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Senator Peter Whish-Wilson
38 mins ·
Just when you thought Scott Morrison couldn’t be any more awful or out of touch…
“This is outright disrespect to all those effected by Stolen Generations in this country. How dare you ask for forgiveness when you still perpetrate racist policies and systems that continue to steal our babies. That is not an apology.” – Senator Lidia Thorpe

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:44:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848546
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Senator Peter Whish-Wilson
38 mins ·
Just when you thought Scott Morrison couldn’t be any more awful or out of touch…
“This is outright disrespect to all those effected by Stolen Generations in this country. How dare you ask for forgiveness when you still perpetrate racist policies and systems that continue to steal our babies. That is not an apology.” – Senator Lidia Thorpe


FMD

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:47:50
From: buffy
ID: 1848547
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

Senator Peter Whish-Wilson
38 mins ·
Just when you thought Scott Morrison couldn’t be any more awful or out of touch…
“This is outright disrespect to all those effected by Stolen Generations in this country. How dare you ask for forgiveness when you still perpetrate racist policies and systems that continue to steal our babies. That is not an apology.” – Senator Lidia Thorpe


FMD

You would almost think his speechwriter has it in for him.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:50:57
From: dv
ID: 1848549
Subject: re: Aust Politics

For real though idgaf the interview but given all the stink about him pissing off to Hawaii I can’t believe they advised him to crack out the ukulele

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:52:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848550
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


For real though idgaf the interview but given all the stink about him pissing off to Hawaii I can’t believe they advised him to crack out the ukulele

apparently it was recommended that he didn’t uke but he did anyway.

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:52:35
From: buffy
ID: 1848551
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/former-high-court-judge-dyson-heydon-compensation-payment/100829210

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Date: 14/02/2022 17:58:39
From: kryten
ID: 1848553
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

For real though idgaf the interview but given all the stink about him pissing off to Hawaii I can’t believe they advised him to crack out the ukulele

apparently it was recommended that he didn’t uke but he did anyway.

As close as he will ever get to playing with a nuke

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:02:43
From: sibeen
ID: 1848554
Subject: re: Aust Politics

kryten said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

For real though idgaf the interview but given all the stink about him pissing off to Hawaii I can’t believe they advised him to crack out the ukulele

apparently it was recommended that he didn’t uke but he did anyway.

As close as he will ever get to playing with a nuke

buffy, get him away from the computer.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:04:29
From: transition
ID: 1848555
Subject: re: Aust Politics

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

diddly-squat said:

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the family of the PM to call the Lodge (or Kirribilli House for that matter) “home”.

What seems odd to me is the notion that someone invited to a function at your home needs to be smiling in order to demonstrate manners.

But The Lodge or Kirribilli House aren’t really homes in the sense intended. I’m pretty sure the people were attending a function in the “public rooms” and not going into the living quarters.

even if it’s part time, it’s where they live with their family..

won’t be long and the home in ones own head will be subject overwhelming external forces of consensus reality, imagine that, tribal marginals be there doing their good work

anyway, I listened to jenny some, thought hell she sounds incredibly practical, make a great PM I thought

I mean if Scott needed stay home for whatever reason, cut himself shaving badly, and I saw there in the house of representatives jenny filling in for him, i’d think oh that’s nice

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:08:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848558
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

But The Lodge or Kirribilli House aren’t really homes in the sense intended. I’m pretty sure the people were attending a function in the “public rooms” and not going into the living quarters.

even if it’s part time, it’s where they live with their family..

won’t be long and the home in ones own head will be subject overwhelming external forces of consensus reality, imagine that, tribal marginals be there doing their good work

anyway, I listened to jenny some, thought hell she sounds incredibly practical, make a great PM I thought

I mean if Scott needed stay home for whatever reason, cut himself shaving badly, and I saw there in the house of representatives jenny filling in for him, i’d think oh that’s nice

I wouldn’t.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:09:45
From: buffy
ID: 1848559
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sibeen said:


kryten said:

sarahs mum said:

apparently it was recommended that he didn’t uke but he did anyway.

As close as he will ever get to playing with a nuke

buffy, get him away from the computer.

He’s waiting to be fed.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:12:19
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848560
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

diddly-squat said:

even if it’s part time, it’s where they live with their family..

won’t be long and the home in ones own head will be subject overwhelming external forces of consensus reality, imagine that, tribal marginals be there doing their good work

anyway, I listened to jenny some, thought hell she sounds incredibly practical, make a great PM I thought

I mean if Scott needed stay home for whatever reason, cut himself shaving badly, and I saw there in the house of representatives jenny filling in for him, i’d think oh that’s nice

I wouldn’t.

And “incredibly practical” is not a phrase that comes to my mind when considering tongue-speaking Pentecostals.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:12:22
From: transition
ID: 1848561
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

diddly-squat said:

even if it’s part time, it’s where they live with their family..

won’t be long and the home in ones own head will be subject overwhelming external forces of consensus reality, imagine that, tribal marginals be there doing their good work

anyway, I listened to jenny some, thought hell she sounds incredibly practical, make a great PM I thought

I mean if Scott needed stay home for whatever reason, cut himself shaving badly, and I saw there in the house of representatives jenny filling in for him, i’d think oh that’s nice

I wouldn’t.

yeah but you could be a heterophobe, don’t like the nations model of family, the breeding unit and all that

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:13:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848562
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

won’t be long and the home in ones own head will be subject overwhelming external forces of consensus reality, imagine that, tribal marginals be there doing their good work

anyway, I listened to jenny some, thought hell she sounds incredibly practical, make a great PM I thought

I mean if Scott needed stay home for whatever reason, cut himself shaving badly, and I saw there in the house of representatives jenny filling in for him, i’d think oh that’s nice

I wouldn’t.

yeah but you could be a heterophobe, don’t like the nations model of family, the breeding unit and all that

No, just find rapture-ready advertising hacks and their families a bit creepy.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:15:56
From: transition
ID: 1848563
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

I wouldn’t.

yeah but you could be a heterophobe, don’t like the nations model of family, the breeding unit and all that

No, just find rapture-ready advertising hacks and their families a bit creepy.

yeah but large part of it is in response to the obscene scrutiny

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:17:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848565
Subject: re: Aust Politics


PrimeChinister
2 hrs ·
STFU Jen.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:27:03
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848568
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

yeah but you could be a heterophobe, don’t like the nations model of family, the breeding unit and all that

No, just find rapture-ready advertising hacks and their families a bit creepy.

yeah but large part of it is in response to the obscene scrutiny

I don’t think Karl barged in uninvited.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:28:21
From: transition
ID: 1848570
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

No, just find rapture-ready advertising hacks and their families a bit creepy.

yeah but large part of it is in response to the obscene scrutiny

I don’t think Karl barged in uninvited.

nah not that, that was suspiciously comfortable

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:30:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848574
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


transition said:

Bubblecar said:

No, just find rapture-ready advertising hacks and their families a bit creepy.

yeah but large part of it is in response to the obscene scrutiny

I don’t think Karl barged in uninvited.

As I said, I HTMAMAA, but I do think when a politician’s partner decides to speak out in support of their partner, they should be cut a little slack.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:31:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848577
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

yeah but large part of it is in response to the obscene scrutiny

I don’t think Karl barged in uninvited.

As I said, I HTMAMAA, but I do think when a politician’s partner decides to speak out in support of their partner, they should be cut a little slack.

But was she not reading from an A4 sheet he’d just handed her?

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:33:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848581
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think Karl barged in uninvited.

As I said, I HTMAMAA, but I do think when a politician’s partner decides to speak out in support of their partner, they should be cut a little slack.

But was she not reading from an A4 sheet he’d just handed her?

Some may argue that it takes one to support one.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:33:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848582
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t think Karl barged in uninvited.

As I said, I HTMAMAA, but I do think when a politician’s partner decides to speak out in support of their partner, they should be cut a little slack.

But was she not reading from an A4 sheet he’d just handed her?

All I know is what I have read here.

But if she was just reading scripted words, why not just ignore it?

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:34:41
From: buffy
ID: 1848584
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/victorian-opposition-fined-matthew-guy-mask-breach-covid/100829652

Or I suppose I could put that in the COVID thread.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:35:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848586
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

As I said, I HTMAMAA, but I do think when a politician’s partner decides to speak out in support of their partner, they should be cut a little slack.

But was she not reading from an A4 sheet he’d just handed her?

All I know is what I have read here.

But if she was just reading scripted words, why not just ignore it?

production of words is an action

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:36:18
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848588
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

But was she not reading from an A4 sheet he’d just handed her?

All I know is what I have read here.

But if she was just reading scripted words, why not just ignore it?

production of words is an action

True, but that doesn’t seem to answer my question.

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:37:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848590
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/victorian-opposition-fined-matthew-guy-mask-breach-covid/100829652

Or I suppose I could put that in the COVID thread.

That’s a very civil suit he’s wearing ¡

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Date: 14/02/2022 18:39:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848592
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

All I know is what I have read here.

But if she was just reading scripted words, why not just ignore it?

production of words is an action

True, but that doesn’t seem to answer my question.

it has meaning and it has metameaning and if it’s relevant to the political discourse then why ignore something relevant to the political discourse

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Date: 14/02/2022 19:01:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848601
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


For real though idgaf the interview but given all the stink about him pissing off to Hawaii I can’t believe they advised him to crack out the ukulele

So we know they advised him to? It looked like it was painful to listen to by the looks on their faces.

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Date: 14/02/2022 19:03:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848603
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

For real though idgaf the interview but given all the stink about him pissing off to Hawaii I can’t believe they advised him to crack out the ukulele

So we know they advised him to? It looked like it was painful to listen to by the looks on their faces.

I read somewhere that he was advised not to.

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Date: 14/02/2022 19:23:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848610
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I didn’t see it but given the paucity of any constructive criticism on this left wing forum the interview must have gone alright.

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Date: 14/02/2022 19:28:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848613
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I didn’t see it but given the paucity of any constructive criticism on this left wing forum the interview must have gone alright.

which interview would this be?

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Date: 14/02/2022 19:33:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848618
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


I didn’t see it but given the paucity of any constructive criticism on this left wing forum the interview must have gone alright.

Here’s my constructive criticism of Scomo’s PR puffery:

Get your hand off it

And to Jenny:

You too

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Date: 14/02/2022 20:10:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848632
Subject: re: Aust Politics

1st Dog:

How could such a likeable down to earth guy like the prime minister be slipping in popularity? Let’s find out

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/14/how-could-such-a-likeable-down-to-earth-guy-like-the-prime-minister-be-slipping-in-popularity-lets-find-out

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Date: 14/02/2022 20:13:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848633
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


1st Dog:

How could such a likeable down to earth guy like the prime minister be slipping in popularity? Let’s find out

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/14/how-could-such-a-likeable-down-to-earth-guy-like-the-prime-minister-be-slipping-in-popularity-lets-find-out

‘I was going to do a laua but for some reason it didn’t test well with the focus group.’

Much roffling to self.

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Date: 14/02/2022 20:46:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848641
Subject: re: Aust Politics

So Albo was borne in 63.

Does that count as a boomer?

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Date: 14/02/2022 20:49:25
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848642
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


So Albo was borne in 63.

Does that count as a boomer?

Gen X I think.

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Date: 14/02/2022 20:52:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848643
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
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“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

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As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

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Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
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The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

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Date: 14/02/2022 20:58:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848644
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.CREDIT:LUIS ENRIQUE ASCUI

“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

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As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

RELATED ARTICLE
The government could be forced into tougher negotiations with the crossbench in the upper house this year.
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Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
———————————————————————

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

I’ll wait and see what Media Watch has to say about it.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:05:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848646
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/daniel-andrews-responds-to-bullying-claims/100826494

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/victorian-labor-mps-defend-party-andrews-vaghela-bullying-claims/100825634

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:06:02
From: party_pants
ID: 1848647
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

So Albo was borne in 63.

Does that count as a boomer?

Gen X I think.

Bit of both. Right on the cusp.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:09:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848648
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.CREDIT:LUIS ENRIQUE ASCUI

“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

Advertisement

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Daniel Andrews and Kaushaliya Vaghela.
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Victorian Labor MP treated as a ‘nuisance’ after bullying complaint
As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

RELATED ARTICLE
The government could be forced into tougher negotiations with the crossbench in the upper house this year.
Victorian Parliament
Angry independents, disgruntled MPs pose Andrews an upper house puzzle
Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
———————————————————————

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

I’ve seen it on ABC News 24

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:18:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848650
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.CREDIT:LUIS ENRIQUE ASCUI

“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

Advertisement

RELATED ARTICLE
Daniel Andrews and Kaushaliya Vaghela.
ALP
Victorian Labor MP treated as a ‘nuisance’ after bullying complaint
As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

RELATED ARTICLE
The government could be forced into tougher negotiations with the crossbench in the upper house this year.
Victorian Parliament
Angry independents, disgruntled MPs pose Andrews an upper house puzzle
Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
———————————————————————

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

I’ve seen it on ABC News 24

…but apart from that, what have the romans ever done for us.

Reply Quote

Date: 14/02/2022 21:29:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848651
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

In yesterday’s ABC News:

Rebel MP Kaushaliya Vaghela says she’s ‘sickened’ by the government’s response to her bullying claims

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/daniel-andrews-responds-to-bullying-claims/100826494

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:31:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848653
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

In yesterday’s ABC News:

Rebel MP Kaushaliya Vaghela says she’s ‘sickened’ by the government’s response to her bullying claims

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/daniel-andrews-responds-to-bullying-claims/100826494

….as also posted by Comrade Boris.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:31:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848654
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

In yesterday’s ABC News:

Rebel MP Kaushaliya Vaghela says she’s ‘sickened’ by the government’s response to her bullying claims

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/daniel-andrews-responds-to-bullying-claims/100826494

I think PWM just got thrown off the outrage bus for fare evasion.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:31:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848655
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.CREDIT:LUIS ENRIQUE ASCUI

“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

Advertisement

RELATED ARTICLE
Daniel Andrews and Kaushaliya Vaghela.
ALP
Victorian Labor MP treated as a ‘nuisance’ after bullying complaint
As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

RELATED ARTICLE
The government could be forced into tougher negotiations with the crossbench in the upper house this year.
Victorian Parliament
Angry independents, disgruntled MPs pose Andrews an upper house puzzle
Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
———————————————————————

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

I’ve seen it on ABC News 24

Sure they have to cover it but with no gusto, they have been very soft on it.
Now if it was a Liberal politician they would throw their whole resources at it, they’d let loose the dogs of war.
It’s their culture.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:35:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848658
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.CREDIT:LUIS ENRIQUE ASCUI

“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

Advertisement

RELATED ARTICLE
Daniel Andrews and Kaushaliya Vaghela.
ALP
Victorian Labor MP treated as a ‘nuisance’ after bullying complaint
As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

RELATED ARTICLE
The government could be forced into tougher negotiations with the crossbench in the upper house this year.
Victorian Parliament
Angry independents, disgruntled MPs pose Andrews an upper house puzzle
Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
———————————————————————

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

I’ve seen it on ABC News 24

Sure they have to cover it but with no gusto, they have been very soft on it.
Now if it was a Liberal politician they would throw their whole resources at it, they’d let loose the dogs of war.
It’s their culture.

Nothing on Media Watch.

Maybe next week.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:35:25
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1848659
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.CREDIT:LUIS ENRIQUE ASCUI

“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

Advertisement

RELATED ARTICLE
Daniel Andrews and Kaushaliya Vaghela.
ALP
Victorian Labor MP treated as a ‘nuisance’ after bullying complaint
As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

RELATED ARTICLE
The government could be forced into tougher negotiations with the crossbench in the upper house this year.
Victorian Parliament
Angry independents, disgruntled MPs pose Andrews an upper house puzzle
Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
———————————————————————

The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

I’ve seen it on ABC News 24

Sure they have to cover it but with no gusto, they have been very soft on it.
Now if it was a Liberal politician they would throw their whole resources at it, they’d let loose the dogs of war.
It’s their culture.

Are you doing SkyNews talking points now?

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:37:26
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1848660
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Premier Daniel Andrews has rejected claims by one of his caucus colleagues that there is a toxic culture in the Labor Party, describing the allegations that his office did not deal appropriately with a bullying allegation as a “fantasy without foundation”.

But Mr Andrews refused to be drawn on the allegations levelled at him personally – that he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants” – and said he would not dignify the claims by responding to them.

Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.
Premier Daniel Andrews addresses the media on Sunday.CREDIT:LUIS ENRIQUE ASCUI

“There was an issue, and it was dealt with appropriately and that person no longer works in my office and to suggest that that was not dealt with appropriately is simply wrong,” Mr Andrews said on Sunday morning. “But I’m not going to go here line by line because, frankly, these claims are fantasy, have no basis in fact … I won’t dignify the stuff that’s said about me, I’m not going to.”

The Premier said the staffer had been sacked.

In an interview with the Herald Sun on Saturday, Western Metropolitan MP Kaushaliya Vaghela said she was scared of what the Premier would do to her after she sided with her factional ally, Adem Somyurek – who was twice sacked from the ministry for bullying and misogyny – to refer the red shirts rort back to the Victorian Ombudsman.

While she did not make specific bullying allegations against the Premier, she accused him of turning a blind eye to relentless bullying by one of his staffers.

“I have suffered in silence for years and when I did complain I was treated as a nuisance by the Premier’s office,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

“Whilst today is a traumatic day, I also feel empowered and gratified that I have been able to tell my story publicly without the need to care about retribution.”

Advertisement

RELATED ARTICLE
Daniel Andrews and Kaushaliya Vaghela.
ALP
Victorian Labor MP treated as a ‘nuisance’ after bullying complaint
As evidence of the Premier’s “problem with women”, Ms Vaghela referenced the cases of former emergency services minister Jane Garrett, who accused United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall of bullying her during the Country Fire Authority enterprise negotiations and the Premier refusing to take swift action; and former health minister Jenny Mikakos, who accused Mr Andrews of political deflection during the hotel quarantine inquiry in which he blamed her for bungling the scheme.

Ms Vaghela also released text messages she sent to Mr Andrews’ chief-of-staff urging her to help with her and her family’s safety, and said she would make a complaint to WorkSafe.

“I have been sickened by the government’s victim-blaming attitude, even going as far as questioning my state of mind and my motives by insinuating that I have recently made up these claims because I have not been preselected,” Ms Vaghela said in a statement on Sunday.

“The Premier and his people are taking advantage of my absence by questioning the state of my mind. Four years of bullying and abuse has taken its toll, so I ask the Premier and his team to stop.”

The upper house MP said she was “largely ignored” by the Premier’s office when she raised allegations of bullying, and she was not informed about the dismissal of the staff member at the centre of the complaints.

RELATED ARTICLE
The government could be forced into tougher negotiations with the crossbench in the upper house this year.
Victorian Parliament
Angry independents, disgruntled MPs pose Andrews an upper house puzzle
Ms Vaghela faces expulsion from the party for crossing the floor to vote on Mr Somyurek’s motion to refer the red shirts rort – in which Labor misused $400,000 in public funds during the 2014 election campaign – back to the Ombudsman to be investigated as part of Operation Watts, which is probing whether public officers are “engaging in corrupt conduct by directing ministerial and electorate office staff to perform party-political work” during taxpayer-funded working hours.

She was dumped from the Labor Party’s ballot at the next election as part of a factional purge late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-rejects-fantasy-claim-that-bullying-complaint-was-not-taken-seriously-20220213-p59w1m.html
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The ABC has been very silent on this matter.
There’s been no Special Report or Four Corners Investigation.

I’ve seen it on ABC News 24

Sure they have to cover it but with no gusto, they have been very soft on it.
Now if it was a Liberal politician they would throw their whole resources at it, they’d let loose the dogs of war.
It’s their culture.

Suppose the ABC feel obligated to raise the flag against the Murdock Media Empire, somebody has to do it.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:37:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848661
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I’ve seen it on ABC News 24

Sure they have to cover it but with no gusto, they have been very soft on it.
Now if it was a Liberal politician they would throw their whole resources at it, they’d let loose the dogs of war.
It’s their culture.

Nothing on Media Watch.

Maybe next week.

write to them and demand they do a story on it! get your 8 cents worth. I would.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:50:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1848664
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kaushaliya Vaghela and her complaints seem to be attracting approximately zero support from her Labor colleagues, of any sex, shape or form.

So perhaps she’s just in the wrong job.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:51:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848665
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Sure they have to cover it but with no gusto, they have been very soft on it.
Now if it was a Liberal politician they would throw their whole resources at it, they’d let loose the dogs of war.
It’s their culture.

Nothing on Media Watch.

Maybe next week.

write to them and demand they do a story on it! get your 8 cents worth. I would.

I’m sure PWM has already done that.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:53:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848667
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Kaushaliya Vaghela and her complaints seem to be attracting approximately zero support from her Labor colleagues, of any sex, shape or form.

So perhaps she’s just in the wrong job.

Well it is possible that when elections loom their priorities mysteriously change to be exactly the same of those of the Liberal party.

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Date: 14/02/2022 21:56:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848669
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Kaushaliya Vaghela and her complaints seem to be attracting approximately zero support from her Labor colleagues, of any sex, shape or form.

So perhaps she’s just in the wrong job.

Or from Grace.

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Date: 14/02/2022 22:04:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848674
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Hey Woodie. last night I was geoguessing and I crossed a very nice old wooden bridge into…Tabulum. Geoguesser fail.

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Date: 14/02/2022 22:09:25
From: Woodie
ID: 1848680
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Hey Woodie. last night I was geoguessing and I crossed a very nice old wooden bridge into…Tabulum. Geoguesser fail.

It’s not there anymore. They demolished it after they built the new one.

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Date: 14/02/2022 22:11:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848682
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Woodie said:


sarahs mum said:

Hey Woodie. last night I was geoguessing and I crossed a very nice old wooden bridge into…Tabulum. Geoguesser fail.

It’s not there anymore. They demolished it after they built the new one.

it lives on in geoguesser.

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Date: 14/02/2022 23:44:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848703
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 14/02/2022 23:57:44
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1848705
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/02/13/scott-morrison-abuse-apology-backflip/

Link

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Date: 15/02/2022 00:09:53
From: transition
ID: 1848710
Subject: re: Aust Politics

JudgeMental said:


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/02/13/scott-morrison-abuse-apology-backflip/

Link

readed some that, then got down to clive, jeeez 30billion dollars, thought FMD and left wondering what his universe turns on

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Date: 15/02/2022 06:52:53
From: buffy
ID: 1848722
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/audit-office-accuses-federal-grant-program-favouring-coalition/100830062

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Date: 15/02/2022 07:01:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848723
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/audit-office-accuses-federal-grant-program-favouring-coalition/100830062

Last year, the ANAO found a $660 million fund to build 47 commuter car parks near train stations was not “merits based”.

> ha.. carparks again.

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Date: 15/02/2022 07:03:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848724
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/audit-office-accuses-federal-grant-program-favouring-coalition/100830062

Last year, the ANAO found a $660 million fund to build 47 commuter car parks near train stations was not “merits based”.

> ha.. carparks again.

Does Angus Taylor have connections to a car-park building firm, maybe?

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Date: 15/02/2022 07:06:56
From: buffy
ID: 1848725
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/audit-office-accuses-federal-grant-program-favouring-coalition/100830062

Last year, the ANAO found a $660 million fund to build 47 commuter car parks near train stations was not “merits based”.

> ha.. carparks again.

Um, no. This piece is about street lighting.

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Date: 15/02/2022 07:07:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848726
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:

he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants”

Interesting, apparently Kevin Rudd is possessing Labor leaders just around the time of elections, funny how these things suddenly happen

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Date: 15/02/2022 07:08:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848727
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/audit-office-accuses-federal-grant-program-favouring-coalition/100830062

Last year, the ANAO found a $660 million fund to build 47 commuter car parks near train stations was not “merits based”.

> ha.. carparks again.

Um, no. This piece is about street lighting.

:)

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Date: 15/02/2022 07:11:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848728
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Last year, the ANAO found a $660 million fund to build 47 commuter car parks near train stations was not “merits based”.

> ha.. carparks again.

Um, no. This piece is about street lighting.

:)

we thought it was about security cameras

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Date: 15/02/2022 07:17:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1848730
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Um, no. This piece is about street lighting.

:)

we thought it was about security cameras

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-28/auditor-general-report-major-issues-commuter-car-parking/100250426

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Date: 15/02/2022 10:20:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848753
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Betoota Advocate:

Two Years Of Marketing Focus Groups Determine That It Was All Jenny’s Fault They Went To Hawaii

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Date: 15/02/2022 11:53:49
From: transition
ID: 1848767
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


Peak Warming Man said:

he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants”

Interesting, apparently Kevin Rudd is possessing Labor leaders just around the time of elections, funny how these things suddenly happen

it’s all caused by patriarchal oppression, our entire culture is dominated by men, they maintain their power by dominating over the ladies, subjugating the ladies, serving the men

fairly much everything can be explained by patriarchal oppression, even environmental destruction, climate change, and if a black hole wanders too near and threatens to consume the entire solar system earth resides in, yeah good chance it would be somehow caused by the patriarchy

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Date: 15/02/2022 12:09:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1848769
Subject: re: Aust Politics

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

he is a misogynist, nasty man, spiteful, and has a “problem with anyone who doesn’t hold the same views as him or doesn’t do what he wants”

Interesting, apparently Kevin Rudd is possessing Labor leaders just around the time of elections, funny how these things suddenly happen

it’s all caused by patriarchal oppression, our entire culture is dominated by men, they maintain their power by dominating over the ladies, subjugating the ladies, serving the men

fairly much everything can be explained by patriarchal oppression, even environmental destruction, climate change, and if a black hole wanders too near and threatens to consume the entire solar system earth resides in, yeah good chance it would be somehow caused by the patriarchy

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm there?

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Date: 15/02/2022 12:11:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848770
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Interesting, apparently Kevin Rudd is possessing Labor leaders just around the time of elections, funny how these things suddenly happen

it’s all caused by patriarchal oppression, our entire culture is dominated by men, they maintain their power by dominating over the ladies, subjugating the ladies, serving the men

fairly much everything can be explained by patriarchal oppression, even environmental destruction, climate change, and if a black hole wanders too near and threatens to consume the entire solar system earth resides in, yeah good chance it would be somehow caused by the patriarchy

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm there?

Sarcasm? In this forum? Hardly likely!

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Date: 15/02/2022 12:26:14
From: dv
ID: 1848772
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 15/02/2022 12:37:25
From: Michael V
ID: 1848774
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Fair comment.

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Date: 15/02/2022 12:39:41
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848775
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



As i said before, respect is earrned, not demanded.

If Scotty/Jenny want Scotty to get some respect, then it’s up to Scotty to do something respectable.

Which would be a nice change.

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Date: 15/02/2022 12:54:04
From: Michael V
ID: 1848777
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


dv said:


As i said before, respect is earrned, not demanded.

If Scotty/Jenny want Scotty to get some respect, then it’s up to Scotty to do something respectable.

Which would be a nice change.

Yes, yes it would!

:)

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Date: 15/02/2022 14:03:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1848795
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:



Alleged rape victim.

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Date: 15/02/2022 15:09:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848847
Subject: re: Aust Politics

‘The government is pressuring Labor to support a bill that, it argues, will close a loophole that prevents the government from cancelling the visas of people convicted of violent crimes, but who are sentenced to less than 12 months’ jail.

It is the third time the Coalition has attempted to pass the laws, which it first proposed in 2019.

Labor has called the bill unnecessary and a distraction, pointing to the deportation of Novak Djokovic as proof that the government has “God-like” power to deport who it likes.

Speaking on Sydney station 2SM, Mr Morrison said Labor had sided with abusers and criminals.

“ Anthony Albanese likes to talk about whose side is he on. He is clearly on the side of criminals,” Mr Morrison said.

“They want to protect people who have committed acts of domestic violence.

“ Kristina Keneally wants people who have been convicted of domestic violence to stay in the country because the judge gave them a soft sentence.”

Senator Keneally told the ABC Mr Morrison’s comments showed that he either did not understand the current law, or was a “liar”.

“Mr Morrison is either lying about the ability of the Immigration Minister to cancel visas for criminals, or he just doesn’t understand the laws right now,” she said.’

more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/scott-morrison-accuses-labor-protecting-criminals-deportation/100831402

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Date: 15/02/2022 15:21:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1848850
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Law And Order For Win¡

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Date: 15/02/2022 15:46:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1848856
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


‘The government is pressuring Labor to support a bill that, it argues, will close a loophole that prevents the government from cancelling the visas of people convicted of violent crimes, but who are sentenced to less than 12 months’ jail.

It is the third time the Coalition has attempted to pass the laws, which it first proposed in 2019.

Labor has called the bill unnecessary and a distraction, pointing to the deportation of Novak Djokovic as proof that the government has “God-like” power to deport who it likes.

Speaking on Sydney station 2SM, Mr Morrison said Labor had sided with abusers and criminals.

“ Anthony Albanese likes to talk about whose side is he on. He is clearly on the side of criminals,” Mr Morrison said.

“They want to protect people who have committed acts of domestic violence.

“ Kristina Keneally wants people who have been convicted of domestic violence to stay in the country because the judge gave them a soft sentence.”

Senator Keneally told the ABC Mr Morrison’s comments showed that he either did not understand the current law, or was a “liar”.

“Mr Morrison is either lying about the ability of the Immigration Minister to cancel visas for criminals, or he just doesn’t understand the laws right now,” she said.’

more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/scott-morrison-accuses-labor-protecting-criminals-deportation/100831402

I suggest that Mr. Morrison has no moral foundation from which he can criticise the attitudes of other politicians towards violence committed against women.

The pot should not comment on the degree of the kettle’s carbonisation.

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Date: 15/02/2022 16:35:40
From: Ian
ID: 1848861
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


‘The government is pressuring Labor to support a bill that, it argues, will close a loophole that prevents the government from cancelling the visas of people convicted of violent crimes, but who are sentenced to less than 12 months’ jail.

It is the third time the Coalition has attempted to pass the laws, which it first proposed in 2019.

Labor has called the bill unnecessary and a distraction, pointing to the deportation of Novak Djokovic as proof that the government has “God-like” power to deport who it likes.

Speaking on Sydney station 2SM, Mr Morrison said Labor had sided with abusers and criminals.

“ Anthony Albanese likes to talk about whose side is he on. He is clearly on the side of criminals,” Mr Morrison said.

“They want to protect people who have committed acts of domestic violence.

“ Kristina Keneally wants people who have been convicted of domestic violence to stay in the country because the judge gave them a soft sentence.”

Senator Keneally told the ABC Mr Morrison’s comments showed that he either did not understand the current law, or was a “liar”.

“Mr Morrison is either lying about the ability of the Immigration Minister to cancel visas for criminals, or he just doesn’t understand the laws right now,” she said.’

more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/scott-morrison-accuses-labor-protecting-criminals-deportation/100831402

That Albanese is known Chinese agent and it is rumoured that he also conducts satanic rituals and eats babies!

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Date: 15/02/2022 16:36:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1848862
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kevin Rudd
54K subscribers
John Howard recently stood by his decision 20yrs ago to reject the ‘Bringing Them Home’ report’s call for a National Apology. In my annual speech to #MessageStick’s Apology breakfast, I respectfully ask Mr Howard to reconsider. His words hold great influence among conservatives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzGqBJu_b9M

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Date: 15/02/2022 20:45:34
From: dv
ID: 1848953
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Fair play to Liberal MP Dave Sharma

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Date: 16/02/2022 08:56:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1849030
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/willoughby-contest-tightens-in-nsw-by-election/100833696

The NSW government’s hold on Gladys Berejiklian’s former seat of Willoughby remains in doubt as preference counting narrows the gap between its candidate Tim James and independent Larissa Penn. The count as it stands indicates a less than four-point difference between Mr James (51.9 per cent) and Ms Penn (48.1 per cent).

There has been a more than 19 per cent swing away from the government, and it is the first time in more than 30 years the Liberal first preference vote has fallen below 50 per cent.

NSW Treasurer Matt Kean told Nine Radio this morning he was confident postal votes would favour the Liberal Party. “Let’s not forget the last time (a new Liberal candidate in) Willoughby went to an election, which was when Gladys ran in 2003, she only won it by 144 votes.” he said. “So, Tim’s got a landslide ahead of him compared to what Gladys had back in 2003.

yeah that

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Date: 16/02/2022 10:57:35
From: dv
ID: 1849052
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/willoughby-contest-tightens-in-nsw-by-election/100833696

The NSW government’s hold on Gladys Berejiklian’s former seat of Willoughby remains in doubt as preference counting narrows the gap between its candidate Tim James and independent Larissa Penn. The count as it stands indicates a less than four-point difference between Mr James (51.9 per cent) and Ms Penn (48.1 per cent).

There has been a more than 19 per cent swing away from the government, and it is the first time in more than 30 years the Liberal first preference vote has fallen below 50 per cent.

NSW Treasurer Matt Kean told Nine Radio this morning he was confident postal votes would favour the Liberal Party. “Let’s not forget the last time (a new Liberal candidate in) Willoughby went to an election, which was when Gladys ran in 2003, she only won it by 144 votes.” he said. “So, Tim’s got a landslide ahead of him compared to what Gladys had back in 2003.

yeah that

Roflmfao

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Date: 16/02/2022 15:49:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1849181
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint has used her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour, while taking aim at “the left” and social media giants for the harassment and abuse she has endured during her time in politics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/nicolle-flint-valedictory-speech-social-media-abuse-women/100834106

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Date: 16/02/2022 15:51:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1849182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint has used her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour, while taking aim at “the left” and social media giants for the harassment and abuse she has endured during her time in politics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/nicolle-flint-valedictory-speech-social-media-abuse-women/100834106

Dear oh dear….

Ms Flint said she believed the “complete lack of respect for other people” stemmed from the “left’s great project” to achieve the “disruption of Western civilisation” by replacing “our institutions, our traditions, our conventions” with “causes that have no moral compass”.

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Date: 16/02/2022 15:54:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1849183
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint has used her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour, while taking aim at “the left” and social media giants for the harassment and abuse she has endured during her time in politics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/nicolle-flint-valedictory-speech-social-media-abuse-women/100834106

Dear oh dear….

Ms Flint said she believed the “complete lack of respect for other people” stemmed from the “left’s great project” to achieve the “disruption of Western civilisation” by replacing “our institutions, our traditions, our conventions” with “causes that have no moral compass”.

Refer MV’s last post in the UK Politics thread.

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Date: 16/02/2022 15:55:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1849184
Subject: re: Aust Politics

I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

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Date: 16/02/2022 15:57:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1849185
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

ROFL

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Date: 16/02/2022 15:57:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1849186
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

….“When you replace religion and the morals and the ethics it has taught us with the religion of climate change, for example”

The collective IQ of Parliament will be adjusted slightly upwards once she’s gone.

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Date: 16/02/2022 15:58:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1849187
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

ROFL

I mean “idiot” not as a term of abuse but a simple objective description.

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:01:21
From: dv
ID: 1849188
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

It must be a dreary life as a conservative. What are your values? What are you actually going to achieve? Hold off progress for a bit? Delay the inevitable?

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:01:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1849189
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

ROFL

I mean “idiot” not as a term of abuse but a simple objective description.

coof.

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:02:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1849191
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

It must be a dreary life as a conservative. What are your values? What are you actually going to achieve? Hold off progress for a bit? Delay the inevitable?

A long as you’re making jolly good money while you’re doing it, delaying progress can be a mighty attractive career option.

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:04:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1849193
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

I certainly don’t condone toxic abuse, but it’s understandable that she attracted much ridicule, because she’s clearly an idiot.

It must be a dreary life as a conservative. What are your values? What are you actually going to achieve? Hold off progress for a bit? Delay the inevitable?

Young Bull-: Lets run down the hill, jump the fence and root some of those cows.
Old Bull-: No, we’ll walk down the hill, go through the gate and root them all.

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:09:03
From: dv
ID: 1849195
Subject: re: Aust Politics

What did you do in the culture wars, granddad?

See these scars? I got ‘em keeping gay people single for three more years than would otherwise be the case.

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:28:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849209
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint has used her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour, while taking aim at “the left” and social media giants for the harassment and abuse she has endured during her time in politics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/nicolle-flint-valedictory-speech-social-media-abuse-women/100834106

How come she didn’t mention senior Liberals and Nationals?

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:32:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1849214
Subject: re: Aust Politics

GetUp called her “South Australia’s most backward politician” and it’s not hard to see why.

>She wrote that Australian cricketer Glenn McGrath should not have apologised for taking and sharing trophy photographs with animals he killed while on safari in Africa. She expressed support for the commercial hunting of Saltwater crocodiles in the Northern Territory and described the McGrath controversy as an “opportunity to encourage a debate about the economic, ecological and environmental benefits hunting can bring”.

In her maiden speech in the Commonwealth Parliament in 2016, Flint spoke of the “modern day scourge of environmental and animal activism”.

Flint is from Kingston in the south-east of South Australia. Her hometown harbours South Australia’s southern rock lobster fishery and other commercial fisheries. In her The Advertiser columns, Flint supported the prospective culling of long-nosed fur seals, Great white sharks and reducing the number of marine park sanctuary zones in South Australian waters. In her 2014 criticism of South Australian marine parks she wrote: “The most endangered species in South Australian coastal waters are our fishermen.”

Great white sharks
In 2014, during the Western Australian shark cull, Flint expressed her support for the use of drum lines and Shark nets to protect humans from potential attack from Great white sharks. In 2017, she expressed her support for the Liberal Federal council’s decision to consider permitting the fishing of great white sharks, pending the results of research undertaken by the CSIRO into the status of the species’ population. As of 2017, fishing for great white sharks is prohibited as the animals are listed as “vulnerable” under the EPBC Act. She told The Australian: “We must protect our swimmers and surfers and hard-working Australians like abalone divers from being attacked or killed by sharks.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolle_Flint

As for her concern for women, she voted against workplace protections for women.

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:43:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1849215
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint has used her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour, while taking aim at “the left” and social media giants for the harassment and abuse she has endured during her time in politics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/nicolle-flint-valedictory-speech-social-media-abuse-women/100834106

How come she didn’t mention senior Liberals and Nationals?

Because it’s all Labor’s fault.

Always is.

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Date: 16/02/2022 16:47:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849216
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Nicolle Flint uses final speech to take aim at offensive abuse directed toward women

Outgoing Liberal MP Nicolle Flint has used her valedictory speech to urge the parliament to better protect women from offensive, insulting and intimidating behaviour, while taking aim at “the left” and social media giants for the harassment and abuse she has endured during her time in politics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/nicolle-flint-valedictory-speech-social-media-abuse-women/100834106

How come she didn’t mention senior Liberals and Nationals?

Because it’s all Labor’s fault.

Always is.

It is the mantra.

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Date: 16/02/2022 17:04:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1849217
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

It is the mantra.

Well, you know how it is.

Everything’s going just peachy, all rainbows, unicorns, and cute little puppy dogs, no-one getting raped in anyone’s office, no-one splattering bodily fluids over anyone’s desk, no-one not deigning to spare a glance at a dossier from a suicidal victim of sexual assault within the realms of government.

But then, kacky ol’Labor starts sneaking about, undermining Western civilisation, knocking people’s moral compasses out of kilter, and before you know it, good, decent folks in the L/NP are behaving like they have the morals of alley cats, and you have to scrub your desk down with bleach every morning, just in case.

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Date: 16/02/2022 17:18:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849219
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

It is the mantra.

Well, you know how it is.

Everything’s going just peachy, all rainbows, unicorns, and cute little puppy dogs, no-one getting raped in anyone’s office, no-one splattering bodily fluids over anyone’s desk, no-one not deigning to spare a glance at a dossier from a suicidal victim of sexual assault within the realms of government.

But then, kacky ol’Labor starts sneaking about, undermining Western civilisation, knocking people’s moral compasses out of kilter, and before you know it, good, decent folks in the L/NP are behaving like they have the morals of alley cats, and you have to scrub your desk down with bleach every morning, just in case.

Yeah the barstewards. They should stop upsetting the applecart.

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Date: 16/02/2022 21:43:07
From: dv
ID: 1849284
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The counting in Willoughby is trending away from the Libs.

Pollbludger says:

That leaves, so far, 18,033 postal votes that have been received, which is more than the sum of the votes so far counted with many more still to arrive, none of which will be counted before the weekend. Ordinarily I would point to the fact that Gladys Berejiklian polled 66.5% of postals in 2019 compared with 57.6% of election day and pre-poll votes and deem the door still closed. But that was from a total of a mere 2269, in contrast to the present extraordinary circumstance where postal ballots were sent to every enrolled voter in the electorate. It may be that, as in the United States, that pool of postal voters, which is traditionally older and more conservative, is now dominated by those most concerned about COVID-19.

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Date: 16/02/2022 21:58:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1849286
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Extinction Rebellion & other CC Activism – Discussion (original) ❤
10 mins ·
How Australians are playing their part in funding and participating in global misinformation movements undermining faith in vaccines and governments.
As the Australian Federal Police sound the alarm bells about an increase in foreign interference in the lead-up to this year’s election, there’s new evidence about the foreign involvement in the promotion of the anti-vaccine, anti-government Convoy to Canberra protests and, simultaneously, the involvement of Australians in protests in Canada.
Last week Crikey reported that Facebook groups being used to organise and promote the Convoy to Canberra protests were being run by what appeared to be fake or international users, including an account using an AI-generated face and an account run from Bangladesh.
Since then, another Facebook group for the Canberra event has changed hands from an anonymous “Freedom Convoy 2022 Truckers” account to a seemingly real Facebook account belonging to be a Bangladeshi teacher, Md Saiful Islam, who did not respond to a request for comment.
Meanwhile, another convoy Facebook account group previously linked by Crikey to a Bangladeshi Facebook account has been removed. Meta, Facebook’s parent company, has been asked for comment.
Why are Bangladeshi accounts involved?
Late last week, reporters at Grid, a US online publication, were able to link a Bangladeshi digital marketing firm to the two biggest Facebook groups related to the Canadian Freedom convoy.
They confirmed with the founder of the firm, Jakir Saikot, that he was behind the “Freedom Convoy 2022” and “Convoy to Ottawa 2022” groups, which had more than 170,000 members between them.
“In an interview with Grid after this story first published, Ahasan said Saikot told him he charged the equivalent of $23 per day to promote Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of followers, and indicated that he worked with organisers of the protests in Canada on the Freedom Convoy Facebook groups,” they wrote.
Harvard Shorenstein Centre director Joan Donovan explained to NBC News that there’s a thriving industry of people seeing “Nick” accounts, which are real-seeming Facebook accounts that run high-profile, engaged groups.
Their customers buy these accounts for everything from promoting scam links, merchandise, or even executing a foreign influence campaign.
“When we see really effective disinformation campaigns, it’s when financial and political motives align,” she said.
Crikey has been unable to link either Bangladeshi Facebook accounts to any organised efforts.
Despite being run by seemingly international accounts, these Convoy to Canberra Facebook groups appear to be filled with Australian protesters and supporters, some of whom have even noticed the international administrators behind the groups.
Australians funding the Canadian protests
New data has emerged that also shows how Australians are contributing to international protests.
Christian fundraising website GiveSendGo emerged as an alternative platform to GoFundMe after the latter site froze and then refunded millions of dollars in donations intended for the Canadian convoy protests.
On Monday Australian time, GiveSendGo’s website was hacked and a dataset containing the private details of those who had donated more than US$8.3 million to the protest was released online.
Crikey’s analysis of this data reveals that 588 donors contributing US$33,734 identified themselves as residing in Australia.
This makes Australians the fourth biggest contributors to the Canadian convoy fundraiser after the US, Canada, and the UK.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau warned last week about the impact of “foreign money to fund this illegal activity”. He has since declared a state of emergency citing “illegal obstruction” by protesters who have been “occupying streets, harassing people, breaking the law”.
This donation data shows how Australians are playing their part in funding and participating in global misinformation movements undermining faith in vaccines and governments.

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Date: 16/02/2022 22:23:11
From: dv
ID: 1849300
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://twitter.com/Tomycardy/status/1493329397700771841?t=C5dAbX56Y4jo9DddgXsIIg&s=19

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Date: 16/02/2022 22:25:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1849301
Subject: re: Aust Politics

dv said:


https://twitter.com/Tomycardy/status/1493329397700771841?t=C5dAbX56Y4jo9DddgXsIIg&s=19

posted it yesterday for zero comments.

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Date: 16/02/2022 22:26:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1849303
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

https://twitter.com/Tomycardy/status/1493329397700771841?t=C5dAbX56Y4jo9DddgXsIIg&s=19

posted it yesterday for zero comments.

I said “Heh” when Spiny Norman or someone posted it. That was the only posting of it I witnessed.

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Date: 16/02/2022 22:29:45
From: Kingy
ID: 1849306
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Extinction Rebellion & other CC Activism – Discussion (original) ❤
10 mins ·
How Australians are playing their part in funding and participating in global misinformation movements undermining faith in vaccines and governments.
As the Australian Federal Police sound the alarm bells about an increase in foreign interference in the lead-up to this year’s election, there’s new evidence about the foreign involvement in the promotion of the anti-vaccine, anti-government Convoy to Canberra protests and, simultaneously, the involvement of Australians in protests in Canada.
Last week Crikey reported that Facebook groups being used to organise and promote the Convoy to Canberra protests were being run by what appeared to be fake or international users, including an account using an AI-generated face and an account run from Bangladesh.
Since then, another Facebook group for the Canberra event has changed hands from an anonymous “Freedom Convoy 2022 Truckers” account to a seemingly real Facebook account belonging to be a Bangladeshi teacher, Md Saiful Islam, who did not respond to a request for comment.
Meanwhile, another convoy Facebook account group previously linked by Crikey to a Bangladeshi Facebook account has been removed. Meta, Facebook’s parent company, has been asked for comment.
Why are Bangladeshi accounts involved?
Late last week, reporters at Grid, a US online publication, were able to link a Bangladeshi digital marketing firm to the two biggest Facebook groups related to the Canadian Freedom convoy.
They confirmed with the founder of the firm, Jakir Saikot, that he was behind the “Freedom Convoy 2022” and “Convoy to Ottawa 2022” groups, which had more than 170,000 members between them.
“In an interview with Grid after this story first published, Ahasan said Saikot told him he charged the equivalent of $23 per day to promote Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of followers, and indicated that he worked with organisers of the protests in Canada on the Freedom Convoy Facebook groups,” they wrote.
Harvard Shorenstein Centre director Joan Donovan explained to NBC News that there’s a thriving industry of people seeing “Nick” accounts, which are real-seeming Facebook accounts that run high-profile, engaged groups.
Their customers buy these accounts for everything from promoting scam links, merchandise, or even executing a foreign influence campaign.
“When we see really effective disinformation campaigns, it’s when financial and political motives align,” she said.
Crikey has been unable to link either Bangladeshi Facebook accounts to any organised efforts.
Despite being run by seemingly international accounts, these Convoy to Canberra Facebook groups appear to be filled with Australian protesters and supporters, some of whom have even noticed the international administrators behind the groups.
Australians funding the Canadian protests
New data has emerged that also shows how Australians are contributing to international protests.
Christian fundraising website GiveSendGo emerged as an alternative platform to GoFundMe after the latter site froze and then refunded millions of dollars in donations intended for the Canadian convoy protests.
On Monday Australian time, GiveSendGo’s website was hacked and a dataset containing the private details of those who had donated more than US$8.3 million to the protest was released online.
Crikey’s analysis of this data reveals that 588 donors contributing US$33,734 identified themselves as residing in Australia.
This makes Australians the fourth biggest contributors to the Canadian convoy fundraiser after the US, Canada, and the UK.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau warned last week about the impact of “foreign money to fund this illegal activity”. He has since declared a state of emergency citing “illegal obstruction” by protesters who have been “occupying streets, harassing people, breaking the law”.
This donation data shows how Australians are playing their part in funding and participating in global misinformation movements undermining faith in vaccines and governments.

I had a smile at one of the hashtags used to describe the Canadian Truckers protest.

#flutruxclan

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Date: 16/02/2022 22:31:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1849307
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Kingy said:


sarahs mum said:

Extinction Rebellion & other CC Activism – Discussion (original) ❤
10 mins ·
How Australians are playing their part in funding and participating in global misinformation movements undermining faith in vaccines and governments.
As the Australian Federal Police sound the alarm bells about an increase in foreign interference in the lead-up to this year’s election, there’s new evidence about the foreign involvement in the promotion of the anti-vaccine, anti-government Convoy to Canberra protests and, simultaneously, the involvement of Australians in protests in Canada.
Last week Crikey reported that Facebook groups being used to organise and promote the Convoy to Canberra protests were being run by what appeared to be fake or international users, including an account using an AI-generated face and an account run from Bangladesh.
Since then, another Facebook group for the Canberra event has changed hands from an anonymous “Freedom Convoy 2022 Truckers” account to a seemingly real Facebook account belonging to be a Bangladeshi teacher, Md Saiful Islam, who did not respond to a request for comment.
Meanwhile, another convoy Facebook account group previously linked by Crikey to a Bangladeshi Facebook account has been removed. Meta, Facebook’s parent company, has been asked for comment.
Why are Bangladeshi accounts involved?
Late last week, reporters at Grid, a US online publication, were able to link a Bangladeshi digital marketing firm to the two biggest Facebook groups related to the Canadian Freedom convoy.
They confirmed with the founder of the firm, Jakir Saikot, that he was behind the “Freedom Convoy 2022” and “Convoy to Ottawa 2022” groups, which had more than 170,000 members between them.
“In an interview with Grid after this story first published, Ahasan said Saikot told him he charged the equivalent of $23 per day to promote Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of followers, and indicated that he worked with organisers of the protests in Canada on the Freedom Convoy Facebook groups,” they wrote.
Harvard Shorenstein Centre director Joan Donovan explained to NBC News that there’s a thriving industry of people seeing “Nick” accounts, which are real-seeming Facebook accounts that run high-profile, engaged groups.
Their customers buy these accounts for everything from promoting scam links, merchandise, or even executing a foreign influence campaign.
“When we see really effective disinformation campaigns, it’s when financial and political motives align,” she said.
Crikey has been unable to link either Bangladeshi Facebook accounts to any organised efforts.
Despite being run by seemingly international accounts, these Convoy to Canberra Facebook groups appear to be filled with Australian protesters and supporters, some of whom have even noticed the international administrators behind the groups.
Australians funding the Canadian protests
New data has emerged that also shows how Australians are contributing to international protests.
Christian fundraising website GiveSendGo emerged as an alternative platform to GoFundMe after the latter site froze and then refunded millions of dollars in donations intended for the Canadian convoy protests.
On Monday Australian time, GiveSendGo’s website was hacked and a dataset containing the private details of those who had donated more than US$8.3 million to the protest was released online.
Crikey’s analysis of this data reveals that 588 donors contributing US$33,734 identified themselves as residing in Australia.
This makes Australians the fourth biggest contributors to the Canadian convoy fundraiser after the US, Canada, and the UK.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau warned last week about the impact of “foreign money to fund this illegal activity”. He has since declared a state of emergency citing “illegal obstruction” by protesters who have been “occupying streets, harassing people, breaking the law”.
This donation data shows how Australians are playing their part in funding and participating in global misinformation movements undermining faith in vaccines and governments.

I had a smile at one of the hashtags used to describe the Canadian Truckers protest.

#flutruxclan

It’s punny. But it would not make me smile.

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Date: 16/02/2022 23:05:46
From: dv
ID: 1849318
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

https://twitter.com/Tomycardy/status/1493329397700771841?t=C5dAbX56Y4jo9DddgXsIIg&s=19

posted it yesterday for zero comments.

Awesome

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Date: 17/02/2022 05:12:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849341
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

https://twitter.com/Tomycardy/status/1493329397700771841?t=C5dAbX56Y4jo9DddgXsIIg&s=19

posted it yesterday for zero comments.

No comment about anything on twitter or facebook. Can’t read their material.

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Date: 17/02/2022 05:13:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849342
Subject: re: Aust Politics

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Date: 17/02/2022 05:30:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849345
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:




Morrison is opting for blunt force

As national security experts have pointed out, it’s hardly in Australia’s interests for allies and partners to be given the false impression that a change of government could mean a change of position on China.

Labor’s position wasn’t helped by the Global Times, a Chinese Government mouthpiece, choosing to publish an opinion piece by former Australian diplomat Bruce Haigh in which he declares Albanese “positively shines” compared to Morrison. Searing attacks on Morrison in the Global Times are nothing new. They aren’t, however, evidence of Albanese being an appeaser.

Last night, Mike Burgess took the unusual step of appearing on the ABC’s 7:30 program, to repeat his point about foreign interference not just targeting the Labor Party. It’s “equal opportunity in that regards”, he told Leigh Sales. Burgess went on to describe the politicking around his speech as “not helpful for us”.

Let that sink in. The head of Australia’s domestic spy agency says ASIO’s work in safeguarding national security is not being helped by the political games currently being played.

As both sides know, scare campaigns can work. Mud can stick. But there’s real danger now for the government.

With so little to back up the Prime Minister’s claims of Labor appeasement, and clear pushback from the ASIO chief, risks looking desperate. And worse, he looks willing to play with Australia’s national interest in order to preserve his own political hide.

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Date: 17/02/2022 07:24:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1849348
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:



Morrison is opting for blunt force

As national security experts have pointed out, it’s hardly in Australia’s interests for allies and partners to be given the false impression that a change of government could mean a change of position on China.

Labor’s position wasn’t helped by the Global Times, a Chinese Government mouthpiece, choosing to publish an opinion piece by former Australian diplomat Bruce Haigh in which he declares Albanese “positively shines” compared to Morrison. Searing attacks on Morrison in the Global Times are nothing new. They aren’t, however, evidence of Albanese being an appeaser.

Last night, Mike Burgess took the unusual step of appearing on the ABC’s 7:30 program, to repeat his point about foreign interference not just targeting the Labor Party. It’s “equal opportunity in that regards”, he told Leigh Sales. Burgess went on to describe the politicking around his speech as “not helpful for us”.

Let that sink in. The head of Australia’s domestic spy agency says ASIO’s work in safeguarding national security is not being helped by the political games currently being played.

As both sides know, scare campaigns can work. Mud can stick. But there’s real danger now for the government.

With so little to back up the Prime Minister’s claims of Labor appeasement, and clear pushback from the ASIO chief, risks looking desperate. And worse, he looks willing to play with Australia’s national interest in order to preserve his own political hide.

so CHINA played this genius move and Marketing play right into their hands

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Date: 17/02/2022 07:27:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849349
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:



Morrison is opting for blunt force

As national security experts have pointed out, it’s hardly in Australia’s interests for allies and partners to be given the false impression that a change of government could mean a change of position on China.

Labor’s position wasn’t helped by the Global Times, a Chinese Government mouthpiece, choosing to publish an opinion piece by former Australian diplomat Bruce Haigh in which he declares Albanese “positively shines” compared to Morrison. Searing attacks on Morrison in the Global Times are nothing new. They aren’t, however, evidence of Albanese being an appeaser.

Last night, Mike Burgess took the unusual step of appearing on the ABC’s 7:30 program, to repeat his point about foreign interference not just targeting the Labor Party. It’s “equal opportunity in that regards”, he told Leigh Sales. Burgess went on to describe the politicking around his speech as “not helpful for us”.

Let that sink in. The head of Australia’s domestic spy agency says ASIO’s work in safeguarding national security is not being helped by the political games currently being played.

As both sides know, scare campaigns can work. Mud can stick. But there’s real danger now for the government.

With so little to back up the Prime Minister’s claims of Labor appeasement, and clear pushback from the ASIO chief, risks looking desperate. And worse, he looks willing to play with Australia’s national interest in order to preserve his own political hide.

so CHINA played this genius move and Marketing play right into their hands

China have been playing a long game, for a long time.

Marketing is desperate enough to play into their hands and actually allow China into our political arena.

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Date: 17/02/2022 07:29:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1849350
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Morrison is opting for blunt force

As national security experts have pointed out, it’s hardly in Australia’s interests for allies and partners to be given the false impression that a change of government could mean a change of position on China.

Labor’s position wasn’t helped by the Global Times, a Chinese Government mouthpiece, choosing to publish an opinion piece by former Australian diplomat Bruce Haigh in which he declares Albanese “positively shines” compared to Morrison. Searing attacks on Morrison in the Global Times are nothing new. They aren’t, however, evidence of Albanese being an appeaser.

Last night, Mike Burgess took the unusual step of appearing on the ABC’s 7:30 program, to repeat his point about foreign interference not just targeting the Labor Party. It’s “equal opportunity in that regards”, he told Leigh Sales. Burgess went on to describe the politicking around his speech as “not helpful for us”.

Let that sink in. The head of Australia’s domestic spy agency says ASIO’s work in safeguarding national security is not being helped by the political games currently being played.

As both sides know, scare campaigns can work. Mud can stick. But there’s real danger now for the government.

With so little to back up the Prime Minister’s claims of Labor appeasement, and clear pushback from the ASIO chief, risks looking desperate. And worse, he looks willing to play with Australia’s national interest in order to preserve his own political hide.

so CHINA played this genius move and Marketing play right into their hands

China have been playing a long game, for a long time.

Marketing is desperate enough to play into their hands and actually allow China into our political arena.

Proves once again that it is unwise to install dolts and dunderheads in our parliament.

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Date: 17/02/2022 09:13:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1849364
Subject: re: Aust Politics

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

so CHINA played this genius move and Marketing play right into their hands

China have been playing a long game, for a long time.

Marketing is desperate enough to play into their hands and actually allow China into our political arena.

Proves once again that it is unwise to install dolts and dunderheads in our parliament.

well it’s an easy play isn’t it, CHINA can’t go wrong to back the smarter, more internationally engaged with rules based system option

if the smarter, more internationally engaged with rules based system option get elected, then CHINA get a smarter, more internationally engaged with rules based system neighbour to work with

if the corrupt idiot arseholes that make Australia weak get elected, then CHINA get corrupt idiot arseholes in a weak neighbour they can work around

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Date: 17/02/2022 10:46:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1849411
Subject: re: Aust Politics

You know how in those authoritarian police states the “media” are just government propaganda mouthpieces¿

Yes.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/media-release-journalism-during-federal-election/100829444

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Date: 17/02/2022 15:08:44
From: buffy
ID: 1849528
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/second-liberal-joins-crossbench-to-push-for-corruption-integrity/100840050

I reckon they’ve run out of time. Spent too much time faffing about with the stuff they didn’t need.

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Date: 17/02/2022 15:13:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1849534
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/second-liberal-joins-crossbench-to-push-for-corruption-integrity/100840050

I reckon they’ve run out of time. Spent too much time faffing about with the stuff they didn’t need.

We need a better bill.

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Date: 17/02/2022 15:19:41
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1849536
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/second-liberal-joins-crossbench-to-push-for-corruption-integrity/100840050

I reckon they’ve run out of time. Spent too much time faffing about with the stuff they didn’t need.

We need a better bill.

But, the religious discrimination bill did do what the government wanted it to do; waste the Parliament’s remaining time and distract it from any possibility of doing anything about a corruption/integrity authority.

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Date: 17/02/2022 15:21:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1849538
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/second-liberal-joins-crossbench-to-push-for-corruption-integrity/100840050

I reckon they’ve run out of time. Spent too much time faffing about with the stuff they didn’t need.

We need a better bill.

But, the religious discrimination bill did do what the government wanted it to do; waste the Parliament’s remaining time and distract it from any possibility of doing anything about a corruption/integrity authority.

Sure seems that way.

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Date: 17/02/2022 15:56:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1849552
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/second-liberal-joins-crossbench-to-push-for-corruption-integrity/100840050

I reckon they’ve run out of time. Spent too much time faffing about with the stuff they didn’t need.

We need a better bill.

But, the religious discrimination bill did do what the government wanted it to do; waste the Parliament’s remaining time and distract it from any possibility of doing anything about a corruption/integrity authority.

Sure seems that way.

maybe but look there’s always that summary method of holding corrupt officials to account that is said to be one of the strengths of democracy so maybe now is the time to go and prove it

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Date: 17/02/2022 18:59:51
From: Ian
ID: 1849628
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Ha. So much for Sharma’s independent cred.

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Date: 16/03/2022 11:18:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1861165
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Attempted Aboriginal massacres took place as recently as 1981, historian says

Alice Springs mass poisoning claimed two lives and left many in hospital but remains unsolved, showing challenges of verifying frontier killings

Attempts at the mass killing of Aboriginal people were still being made as recently as 1981, according to a historian who has spent the past four years researching colonial violence in the Northern Territory.

Dr Robyn Smith, who has worked on the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacres map project, says she has also found attempts at massacres in the 1930s and 40s.

These horrors are not on the map because fewer than six people died – the research team’s strict criterion for inclusion. But Smith says it shows the violence of the frontier did not abate over time.

“It says that the NT was still the frontier. Even though they might not have been successful, in a sense, the intention was to kill people,” Smith says.

“I think people were under a bit more police scrutiny, so arbitrary shooting expeditions would have been easier to detect, whereas poisoning is far more underhanded.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/16/attempted-aboriginal-massacres-took-place-as-recently-as-1981-historian-says

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Date: 16/03/2022 11:49:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1861172
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Attempted Aboriginal massacres took place as recently as 1981, historian says

Alice Springs mass poisoning claimed two lives and left many in hospital but remains unsolved, showing challenges of verifying frontier killings

Attempts at the mass killing of Aboriginal people were still being made as recently as 1981, according to a historian who has spent the past four years researching colonial violence in the Northern Territory.

Dr Robyn Smith, who has worked on the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacres map project, says she has also found attempts at massacres in the 1930s and 40s.

These horrors are not on the map because fewer than six people died – the research team’s strict criterion for inclusion. But Smith says it shows the violence of the frontier did not abate over time.

“It says that the NT was still the frontier. Even though they might not have been successful, in a sense, the intention was to kill people,” Smith says.

“I think people were under a bit more police scrutiny, so arbitrary shooting expeditions would have been easier to detect, whereas poisoning is far more underhanded.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/16/attempted-aboriginal-massacres-took-place-as-recently-as-1981-historian-says

we are scum.

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Date: 16/03/2022 11:52:02
From: Cymek
ID: 1861175
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

Attempted Aboriginal massacres took place as recently as 1981, historian says

Alice Springs mass poisoning claimed two lives and left many in hospital but remains unsolved, showing challenges of verifying frontier killings

Attempts at the mass killing of Aboriginal people were still being made as recently as 1981, according to a historian who has spent the past four years researching colonial violence in the Northern Territory.

Dr Robyn Smith, who has worked on the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacres map project, says she has also found attempts at massacres in the 1930s and 40s.

These horrors are not on the map because fewer than six people died – the research team’s strict criterion for inclusion. But Smith says it shows the violence of the frontier did not abate over time.

“It says that the NT was still the frontier. Even though they might not have been successful, in a sense, the intention was to kill people,” Smith says.

“I think people were under a bit more police scrutiny, so arbitrary shooting expeditions would have been easier to detect, whereas poisoning is far more underhanded.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/16/attempted-aboriginal-massacres-took-place-as-recently-as-1981-historian-says

we are scum.

Nasty wasn’t it, don’t think humans will change, very good we are at dehumanising people to legitimize killing.

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Date: 16/03/2022 11:58:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1861179
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Attempted Aboriginal massacres took place as recently as 1981, historian says

Alice Springs mass poisoning claimed two lives and left many in hospital but remains unsolved, showing challenges of verifying frontier killings

Attempts at the mass killing of Aboriginal people were still being made as recently as 1981, according to a historian who has spent the past four years researching colonial violence in the Northern Territory.

Dr Robyn Smith, who has worked on the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacres map project, says she has also found attempts at massacres in the 1930s and 40s.

These horrors are not on the map because fewer than six people died – the research team’s strict criterion for inclusion. But Smith says it shows the violence of the frontier did not abate over time.

“It says that the NT was still the frontier. Even though they might not have been successful, in a sense, the intention was to kill people,” Smith says.

“I think people were under a bit more police scrutiny, so arbitrary shooting expeditions would have been easier to detect, whereas poisoning is far more underhanded.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/16/attempted-aboriginal-massacres-took-place-as-recently-as-1981-historian-says

we are scum.

Nasty wasn’t it, don’t think humans will change, very good we are at dehumanising people to legitimize killing.

No change? We’ve got considerably better.

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Date: 16/03/2022 11:59:20
From: Cymek
ID: 1861181
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

we are scum.

Nasty wasn’t it, don’t think humans will change, very good we are at dehumanising people to legitimize killing.

No change? We’ve got considerably better.

At doing it or not doing it ?

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Date: 16/03/2022 12:01:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1861182
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Nasty wasn’t it, don’t think humans will change, very good we are at dehumanising people to legitimize killing.

No change? We’ve got considerably better.

At doing it or not doing it ?

Not doing it.

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Date: 16/03/2022 12:18:15
From: dv
ID: 1861190
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Attempted Aboriginal massacres took place as recently as 1981, historian says

Alice Springs mass poisoning claimed two lives and left many in hospital but remains unsolved, showing challenges of verifying frontier killings

Attempts at the mass killing of Aboriginal people were still being made as recently as 1981, according to a historian who has spent the past four years researching colonial violence in the Northern Territory.

Dr Robyn Smith, who has worked on the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacres map project, says she has also found attempts at massacres in the 1930s and 40s.

These horrors are not on the map because fewer than six people died – the research team’s strict criterion for inclusion. But Smith says it shows the violence of the frontier did not abate over time.

“It says that the NT was still the frontier. Even though they might not have been successful, in a sense, the intention was to kill people,” Smith says.

“I think people were under a bit more police scrutiny, so arbitrary shooting expeditions would have been easier to detect, whereas poisoning is far more underhanded.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/16/attempted-aboriginal-massacres-took-place-as-recently-as-1981-historian-says

They petered out.

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Date: 16/03/2022 12:23:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1861196
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

Attempted Aboriginal massacres took place as recently as 1981, historian says

Alice Springs mass poisoning claimed two lives and left many in hospital but remains unsolved, showing challenges of verifying frontier killings

Attempts at the mass killing of Aboriginal people were still being made as recently as 1981, according to a historian who has spent the past four years researching colonial violence in the Northern Territory.

Dr Robyn Smith, who has worked on the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacres map project, says she has also found attempts at massacres in the 1930s and 40s.

These horrors are not on the map because fewer than six people died – the research team’s strict criterion for inclusion. But Smith says it shows the violence of the frontier did not abate over time.

“It says that the NT was still the frontier. Even though they might not have been successful, in a sense, the intention was to kill people,” Smith says.

“I think people were under a bit more police scrutiny, so arbitrary shooting expeditions would have been easier to detect, whereas poisoning is far more underhanded.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/16/attempted-aboriginal-massacres-took-place-as-recently-as-1981-historian-says

we are scum.

No.

Some people are scum.

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Date: 16/03/2022 18:07:51
From: Michael V
ID: 1861376
Subject: re: Aust Politics

A Liberal upper house MP is resigning and a Northern Rivers mayor has gone to the Governor-General over concerns about perceived favouritism in the allocation of federal flood assistance.

The neighbouring flood-affected LGAs of Ballina, Byron and Tweed – all in the Labor-held seat of Richmond – have not received the extra $2,000 per person support.”

Ooh-ah!
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-16/liberal-upper-house-mp-to-quit-over-flood-funding/100914460

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Date: 16/03/2022 18:10:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1861378
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Michael V said:


A Liberal upper house MP is resigning and a Northern Rivers mayor has gone to the Governor-General over concerns about perceived favouritism in the allocation of federal flood assistance.

The neighbouring flood-affected LGAs of Ballina, Byron and Tweed – all in the Labor-held seat of Richmond – have not received the extra $2,000 per person support.”

Ooh-ah!
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-16/liberal-upper-house-mp-to-quit-over-flood-funding/100914460

perfectly legal.
gee i hate them.

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Date: 16/03/2022 18:11:28
From: Michael V
ID: 1861379
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Shit.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-16/bernard-collaery-top-secret-evidence-allowed/100914432

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Date: 26/03/2022 12:29:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1865317
Subject: re: Aust Politics

buffy said:


Where is that Aus politics thread?

The peasants are revolting…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-26/federal-cabinet-minister-threatens-to-resign-on-eve-of-budget/100941862

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:26:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1994200
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Labor want to spend $500 million a year on new housing, Greens think it needs $5 billion. Coalition probably prefer $50.

Labor’s major housing policy likely to face changes after opposition from Coalition, Greens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/labor-forced-change-housing-future-fund-opposition-greens/101969514

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:28:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1994201
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Labor want to spend $500 million a year on new housing, Greens think it needs $5 billion. Coalition probably prefer $50.

Labor’s major housing policy likely to face changes after opposition from Coalition, Greens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/labor-forced-change-housing-future-fund-opposition-greens/101969514

Well I hope the Greens actually manage to improve it, rather than replacing “better than nothing” with nothing.

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:31:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1994202
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

Labor want to spend $500 million a year on new housing, Greens think it needs $5 billion. Coalition probably prefer $50.

Labor’s major housing policy likely to face changes after opposition from Coalition, Greens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/labor-forced-change-housing-future-fund-opposition-greens/101969514

Well I hope the Greens actually manage to improve it, rather than replacing “better than nothing” with nothing.

+1

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:32:53
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1994203
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

Labor want to spend $500 million a year on new housing, Greens think it needs $5 billion. Coalition probably prefer $50.

Labor’s major housing policy likely to face changes after opposition from Coalition, Greens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/labor-forced-change-housing-future-fund-opposition-greens/101969514

Well I hope the Greens actually manage to improve it, rather than replacing “better than nothing” with nothing.

having $5billion might be good the questions are, where to build, we don’t want “ghettos”?, who will build the houses, do we have the tradies?, do we have the materials?

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:38:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1994205
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Labor want to spend $500 million a year on new housing, Greens think it needs $5 billion. Coalition probably prefer $50.

Labor’s major housing policy likely to face changes after opposition from Coalition, Greens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/labor-forced-change-housing-future-fund-opposition-greens/101969514

also…

Raids earlier this month by the Australian federal police provided a rare window into the shady world of international money laundering. Australia is far from a model global citizen when it comes to cracking down on money laundering – and property has become a favoured vehicle for organised crime to hide and transfer dirty money.

The AFP arrested nine people, including the alleged head of the money-laundering organisation, Stephen Xin, at his Vaucluse home. They have now been charged with multiple money-laundering and proceeds-of-crime offences, allegedly carried out in support of the organisation’s extensive activities.

The police also obtained restraining orders over more than 20 properties in Sydney, worth $150m, including multiple commercial buildings in the CBD, two high-value houses in Sydney’s eastern suburbs worth more than $19m combined, a 360-hectare tract of land near the site of Sydney’s second international airport worth $47m, 66 bank accounts, cash and more than $1m in luxury vehicles.

While luxury cars and trophy homes have been favoured as safe havens for illicit money in the past, the seizure of a major housing development site on the fringes of Sydney hints at a whole new dimension to alleged money laundering.
A place to hide

Land transactions, like the ones allegedly uncovered by the AFP in Sydney, are only possible with the help of other professionals: real estate agents, lawyers and accountants.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/13/no-questions-asked-money-laundering-thrives-in-australia-because-of-professionals-willing-to-facilitate-it

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:44:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994206
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Labor want to spend $500 million a year on new housing, Greens think it needs $5 billion. Coalition probably prefer $50.

Labor’s major housing policy likely to face changes after opposition from Coalition, Greens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/labor-forced-change-housing-future-fund-opposition-greens/101969514

also…

Raids earlier this month by the Australian federal police provided a rare window into the shady world of international money laundering. Australia is far from a model global citizen when it comes to cracking down on money laundering – and property has become a favoured vehicle for organised crime to hide and transfer dirty money.

The AFP arrested nine people, including the alleged head of the money-laundering organisation, Stephen Xin, at his Vaucluse home. They have now been charged with multiple money-laundering and proceeds-of-crime offences, allegedly carried out in support of the organisation’s extensive activities.

The police also obtained restraining orders over more than 20 properties in Sydney, worth $150m, including multiple commercial buildings in the CBD, two high-value houses in Sydney’s eastern suburbs worth more than $19m combined, a 360-hectare tract of land near the site of Sydney’s second international airport worth $47m, 66 bank accounts, cash and more than $1m in luxury vehicles.

While luxury cars and trophy homes have been favoured as safe havens for illicit money in the past, the seizure of a major housing development site on the fringes of Sydney hints at a whole new dimension to alleged money laundering.
A place to hide

Land transactions, like the ones allegedly uncovered by the AFP in Sydney, are only possible with the help of other professionals: real estate agents, lawyers and accountants.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/13/no-questions-asked-money-laundering-thrives-in-australia-because-of-professionals-willing-to-facilitate-it

so foreign investors are bringing money into the cuntry, this is good news

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:45:23
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1994208
Subject: re: Aust Politics

In days of you’re before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:47:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1994210
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


In days of you’re before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

In days of you’re, before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

Missed a comma, fixed.

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Date: 14/02/2023 10:48:36
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1994212
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

In days of you’re before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

In days of you’re, before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

Missed a comma, fixed.

Yore.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:01:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1994217
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


In days of you’re before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

It is true that in an open market with increasing demand exceeding supply land prices will continue to rise until demand is reduced down to supply.

The only way around it other than going all socialist is for governments to ensure a plentiful supply of entry level housing.

And as there will remain many people who still can’t afford to buy, they need to ensure a plentiful supply of affordable rental properties as well.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:04:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1994220
Subject: re: Aust Politics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-12/push-on-for-levy-on-vacant-houses-tasmania/101962910

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:07:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1994224
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


In days of you’re before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

I see, so all we need do is restrict incomes per household to ensure that even fewer people can afford to buy a house.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:16:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1994227
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

In days of you’re before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

I see, so all we need do is restrict incomes per household to ensure that even fewer people can afford to buy a house.

Well we can adjust the economy to suite.
Make it like the good old days when binary child bearers had to leave the typing pool when they got married
The price of housing would come down to what the punters could afford.
The investors would jump up and down but they can get rogered and set on fire.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:17:21
From: Cymek
ID: 1994229
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

In days of you’re before binary child bearers came into the workforce you could afford to buy a house on one houshold income.
The good old days.

I see, so all we need do is restrict incomes per household to ensure that even fewer people can afford to buy a house.

Well we can adjust the economy to suite.
Make it like the good old days when binary child bearers had to leave the typing pool when they got married
The price of housing would come down to what the punters could afford.
The investors would jump up and down but they can get rogered and set on fire.

Expensive housing is a good means to keep people under control, too busy working to afford a house so they can work to afford a house

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:21:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1994231
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Cymek said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I see, so all we need do is restrict incomes per household to ensure that even fewer people can afford to buy a house.

Well we can adjust the economy to suite.
Make it like the good old days when binary child bearers had to leave the typing pool when they got married
The price of housing would come down to what the punters could afford.
The investors would jump up and down but they can get rogered and set on fire.

Expensive housing is a good means to keep people under control, too busy working to afford a house so they can work to afford a house

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:23:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1994232
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well we can adjust the economy to suite.
Make it like the good old days when binary child bearers had to leave the typing pool when they got married
The price of housing would come down to what the punters could afford.
The investors would jump up and down but they can get rogered and set on fire.

Expensive housing is a good means to keep people under control, too busy working to afford a house so they can work to afford a house

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

your place is a hobby farm isn’t it?

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:28:18
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1994234
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Expensive housing is a good means to keep people under control, too busy working to afford a house so they can work to afford a house

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

your place is a hobby farm isn’t it?

No, it’s a means of production.
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:29:04
From: Woodie
ID: 1994235
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well we can adjust the economy to suite.
Make it like the good old days when binary child bearers had to leave the typing pool when they got married
The price of housing would come down to what the punters could afford.
The investors would jump up and down but they can get rogered and set on fire.

Expensive housing is a good means to keep people under control, too busy working to afford a house so they can work to afford a house

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

…… and call it Redoubt Heights.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:29:43
From: ms spock
ID: 1994236
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Labor want to spend $500 million a year on new housing, Greens think it needs $5 billion. Coalition probably prefer $50.

Labor’s major housing policy likely to face changes after opposition from Coalition, Greens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-14/labor-forced-change-housing-future-fund-opposition-greens/101969514

Well I hope the Greens actually manage to improve it, rather than replacing “better than nothing” with nothing.

having $5billion might be good the questions are, where to build, we don’t want “ghettos”?, who will build the houses, do we have the tradies?, do we have the materials?

Have one house in each street in Australian. The Scandanavians have a 24 hour hotline so if the people in the social housing are struggling or the neighbours are unhappy. Someone turns up immediately. They found that people with substance abuse are more able to abstain when they received a home, before even sobriety.

What they Scandanvians have done re ending homelessness has been fascinating to me. They even got rid of the homeless shelters (after a substantial amount of housing and substantial psychological and other supports were put in place) because the homeless shelters were keeping the homeless in the homeless loop.

Immediately Tiny Houses are required in remote and rural communities – they have 8-10 people per bedroom in some places. It is not liveable.

Also I would like to see all the homeless women over 65 given Tiny Houses so they have somewhere safe to sleep and not just in their cars or parks.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:32:53
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1994237
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

your place is a hobby farm isn’t it?

No, it’s a means of production.
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:37:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1994240
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:

having $5billion might be good the questions are, where to build, we don’t want “ghettos”?, who will build the houses, do we have the tradies?, do we have the materials?

About 50 years ago, ‘decentralisation’ was a big buzzword. The idea being to try to spread population, demands, and services over a much larger proportion of the country. There was talk of ‘mulit-function polises’ and ‘regional expansion’ and ‘incentivated redeployment’ and all sorts of wonderful ideas.

It didn’t last long,unfortunately, getting drowned in the fabricated ‘scandals’ that the L/NP used to grab power back in the mid-70s. Once they were back in, there was no way they were going to spend all that money on the infrastructure that decentralisation would have needed, or risk creating new urban areas (possibly populated by ALP voters) which would require their own MPs, and they certainly weren’t going to do anything that might decrease the value of their own capital city real estate holdings, or those of their friends in the industry.

So, ‘decentralisation’ withered and died, and we persisted with the idea of 7 or 8 sprawling metropolises, increasingly crowded and strained, where real estate values could be relied on to rise and rise.

And, eventually, those in a position to do so cashed in, and flooded the regional markets, consuming their housing supplies and driving up the prices there, too.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:43:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1994242
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

your place is a hobby farm isn’t it?

No, it’s a means of production.
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it.

He’s an anarcho-syndicalist commune of 1:

DENNIS: I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

ARTHUR: Yes.

DENNIS: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.

ARTHUR: Yes, I see.

DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs–

ARTHUR: Be quiet!

DENNIS: –but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more–

ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!

WOMAN: Order, eh — who does he think he is?

ARTHUR: I am your king!

WOMAN: Well, I didn’t vote for you.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:44:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1994243
Subject: re: Aust Politics

>>It didn’t last long,unfortunately, getting drowned in the fabricated ‘scandals’ that the L/NP used to grab power back in the mid-70s.

Yore onto them with their fake Khemlani affairs and fooling THE PEOPLE to vote for them.
shakes fist at sheeple

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:47:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1994245
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


>>It didn’t last long,unfortunately, getting drowned in the fabricated ‘scandals’ that the L/NP used to grab power back in the mid-70s.

Yore onto them with their fake Khemlani affairs and fooling THE PEOPLE to vote for them.
shakes fist at sheeple

Khemlani was just a little grot of a hanger-on who lingered around the fringes and tried to take credit for setting up negotiations between people who had mostly never heard of him, in the hope of being able to collect a ‘finder’s fee’. He was just one step up from a race-track tout.

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:51:25
From: ms spock
ID: 1994247
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The US leads the way!

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:53:31
From: ms spock
ID: 1994249
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ms spock said:

The US leads the way!

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:57:31
From: ms spock
ID: 1994254
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Expensive housing is a good means to keep people under control, too busy working to afford a house so they can work to afford a house

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

your place is a hobby farm isn’t it?

There’s enough Crown Land. And if you make them tiny houses you could help out a lot of folks!

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Date: 14/02/2023 11:59:02
From: ms spock
ID: 1994255
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Or force hobby farmers to sell their land to the government and then subdivide it for housing for THE PEOPLE.

your place is a hobby farm isn’t it?

No, it’s a means of production.
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it.

Yep

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Date: 14/02/2023 12:00:58
From: ms spock
ID: 1994257
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ChrispenEvan said:

having $5billion might be good the questions are, where to build, we don’t want “ghettos”?, who will build the houses, do we have the tradies?, do we have the materials?

About 50 years ago, ‘decentralisation’ was a big buzzword. The idea being to try to spread population, demands, and services over a much larger proportion of the country. There was talk of ‘mulit-function polises’ and ‘regional expansion’ and ‘incentivated redeployment’ and all sorts of wonderful ideas.

It didn’t last long,unfortunately, getting drowned in the fabricated ‘scandals’ that the L/NP used to grab power back in the mid-70s. Once they were back in, there was no way they were going to spend all that money on the infrastructure that decentralisation would have needed, or risk creating new urban areas (possibly populated by ALP voters) which would require their own MPs, and they certainly weren’t going to do anything that might decrease the value of their own capital city real estate holdings, or those of their friends in the industry.

So, ‘decentralisation’ withered and died, and we persisted with the idea of 7 or 8 sprawling metropolises, increasingly crowded and strained, where real estate values could be relied on to rise and rise.

And, eventually, those in a position to do so cashed in, and flooded the regional markets, consuming their housing supplies and driving up the prices there, too.

Does this get you down sometimes?

Do you just accept it and move on?

How do you emotionally cope with this?

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Date: 14/02/2023 12:01:28
From: ms spock
ID: 1994258
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

your place is a hobby farm isn’t it?

No, it’s a means of production.
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it.

He’s an anarcho-syndicalist commune of 1:

DENNIS: I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

ARTHUR: Yes.

DENNIS: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.

ARTHUR: Yes, I see.

DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs–

ARTHUR: Be quiet!

DENNIS: –but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more–

ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!

WOMAN: Order, eh — who does he think he is?

ARTHUR: I am your king!

WOMAN: Well, I didn’t vote for you.

:)

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Date: 14/02/2023 12:03:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1994261
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ms spock said:


captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

having $5billion might be good the questions are, where to build, we don’t want “ghettos”?, who will build the houses, do we have the tradies?, do we have the materials?

About 50 years ago, ‘decentralisation’ was a big buzzword. The idea being to try to spread population, demands, and services over a much larger proportion of the country. There was talk of ‘mulit-function polises’ and ‘regional expansion’ and ‘incentivated redeployment’ and all sorts of wonderful ideas.

It didn’t last long,unfortunately, getting drowned in the fabricated ‘scandals’ that the L/NP used to grab power back in the mid-70s. Once they were back in, there was no way they were going to spend all that money on the infrastructure that decentralisation would have needed, or risk creating new urban areas (possibly populated by ALP voters) which would require their own MPs, and they certainly weren’t going to do anything that might decrease the value of their own capital city real estate holdings, or those of their friends in the industry.

So, ‘decentralisation’ withered and died, and we persisted with the idea of 7 or 8 sprawling metropolises, increasingly crowded and strained, where real estate values could be relied on to rise and rise.

And, eventually, those in a position to do so cashed in, and flooded the regional markets, consuming their housing supplies and driving up the prices there, too.

Does this get you down sometimes?

Do you just accept it and move on?

How do you emotionally cope with this?

Me, personally, or the populace in general?

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Date: 14/02/2023 12:04:14
From: ms spock
ID: 1994263
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ms spock said:

captain_spalding said:

About 50 years ago, ‘decentralisation’ was a big buzzword. The idea being to try to spread population, demands, and services over a much larger proportion of the country. There was talk of ‘mulit-function polises’ and ‘regional expansion’ and ‘incentivated redeployment’ and all sorts of wonderful ideas.

It didn’t last long,unfortunately, getting drowned in the fabricated ‘scandals’ that the L/NP used to grab power back in the mid-70s. Once they were back in, there was no way they were going to spend all that money on the infrastructure that decentralisation would have needed, or risk creating new urban areas (possibly populated by ALP voters) which would require their own MPs, and they certainly weren’t going to do anything that might decrease the value of their own capital city real estate holdings, or those of their friends in the industry.

So, ‘decentralisation’ withered and died, and we persisted with the idea of 7 or 8 sprawling metropolises, increasingly crowded and strained, where real estate values could be relied on to rise and rise.

And, eventually, those in a position to do so cashed in, and flooded the regional markets, consuming their housing supplies and driving up the prices there, too.

Does this get you down sometimes?

Do you just accept it and move on?

How do you emotionally cope with this?

Me, personally, or the populace in general?

You personally!

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Date: 14/02/2023 12:06:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1994265
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ms spock said:


captain_spalding said:

ms spock said:

Does this get you down sometimes?

Do you just accept it and move on?

How do you emotionally cope with this?

Me, personally, or the populace in general?

You personally!

Incurable optimism, insufferable cynicism, and a measured intake of alcohol.

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Date: 14/02/2023 12:22:26
From: ms spock
ID: 1994273
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ms spock said:

captain_spalding said:

Me, personally, or the populace in general?

You personally!

Incurable optimism, insufferable cynicism, and a measured intake of alcohol.

A measured three pronged approach Captain Spalding! Wise indeed!

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Date: 14/02/2023 13:55:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1994320
Subject: re: Aust Politics

captain_spalding said:


ms spock said:

captain_spalding said:

Me, personally, or the populace in general?

You personally!

Incurable optimism, insufferable cynicism, and a measured intake of alcohol.

Ha!

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Date: 15/02/2023 14:07:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994712
Subject: re: Aust Politics

well we’re glad someone has the Health of The Economy Must Grow uh sorry we mean the profits of the banks in mind when making decisions to impoverish Real Aussie Battlers and their illegitimate children

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe says it is important in the long term to have “strong” banks that are turning a profit, even though it may be hard to hear for people in the grips of skyrocketing mortgage repayments.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-15/philip-lowe-defend-interest-rate-rise-inflation-wages/101976496

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Date: 15/02/2023 14:09:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994714
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

well we’re glad someone has the Health of The Economy Must Grow uh sorry we mean the profits of the banks in mind when making decisions to impoverish Real Aussie Battlers and their illegitimate children

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe says it is important in the long term to have “strong” banks that are turning a profit, even though it may be hard to hear for people in the grips of skyrocketing mortgage repayments.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-15/philip-lowe-defend-interest-rate-rise-inflation-wages/101976496

wait what the fuck we thought according to their bullshit theories high inflation rides alongside low unemployment

“People are really hurting, I understand that, but I also understand that if we don’t get on top of inflation it means even higher interest rates and more unemployment,” he replied.

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Date: 15/02/2023 14:11:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1994715
Subject: re: Aust Politics

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

well we’re glad someone has the Health of The Economy Must Grow uh sorry we mean the profits of the banks in mind when making decisions to impoverish Real Aussie Battlers and their illegitimate children

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe says it is important in the long term to have “strong” banks that are turning a profit, even though it may be hard to hear for people in the grips of skyrocketing mortgage repayments.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-15/philip-lowe-defend-interest-rate-rise-inflation-wages/101976496

wait what the fuck we thought according to their bullshit theories high inflation rides alongside low unemployment

“People are really hurting, I understand that, but I also understand that if we don’t get on top of inflation it means even higher interest rates and more unemployment,” he replied.

That’s right, you shouldn’t blame them, but they’re not complaining about having to make decisions that are making their friends rich, oh no, they wouldn’t want to suggest that someone else gets their job.

Mr Lowe also said he found it “a bit unfair” that criticism of the interest rate hikes fell on him, noting that “there are nine of us” on the RBA board who make the decision. But he went on to say he was not complaining that he and his colleagues were tasked with making “unpopular” decisions.

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Date: 7/03/2023 18:52:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2003777
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Mayhem in Victoria:

Victorian council dismissed after murder of senior manager exposes ‘catastrophic’ governance failure

Moira Shire council in northern Victoria will be dismissed after a probe into the murder of a senior manager, who was gunned down by a disgruntled worker.

Events after the murder, governance concerns, construction of major infrastructure, the transportation of asbestos, occupational health and safety failures and other issues were also examined by a commission of inquiry.

On Tuesday, the state government introduced legislation to dismiss the council and appoint an administrator.

It is expected an election to replace the councillors will not take place until 2028.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/07/victorian-council-dismissed-after-of-senior-manager-exposes-catastrophic-governance-failure

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Date: 7/03/2023 19:15:49
From: ms spock
ID: 2003778
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Paul Bongiorno: The robodebt royal commission is our most important in a long while

You’ve probably all seen this one.

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Date: 7/03/2023 19:59:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2003803
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ms spock said:

Paul Bongiorno: The robodebt royal commission is our most important in a long while

You’ve probably all seen this one.

also read comments.

I am reminded that before the election I watched Friendly Jordies interview Rudd. Rudd said that Labor would need more than one term..possibly more than two…to fix the damage to the public service.

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:02:21
From: ms spock
ID: 2003809
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ms spock said:

Paul Bongiorno: The robodebt royal commission is our most important in a long while

You’ve probably all seen this one.

also read comments.

I am reminded that before the election I watched Friendly Jordies interview Rudd. Rudd said that Labor would need more than one term..possibly more than two…to fix the damage to the public service.

***nods with a concerned look on her face****

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:07:33
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2003816
Subject: re: Aust Politics

2030+ deaths
—-

Rudd got crucified for a couple of people dying putting in insulation. Even though lots of people benefitted from insulation.

Rupert was all over it. Rudd must go.

I realise all these deaths are not suicides but a lot must be. they can’t all be heart attacks and such,

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:11:44
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2003818
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:

2030+ deaths
—-

Rudd got crucified for a couple of people dying putting in insulation. Even though lots of people benefitted from insulation.

Rupert was all over it. Rudd must go.

I realise all these deaths are not suicides but a lot must be. they can’t all be heart attacks and such,

There was a fair bit of rorting of that going on though, and seemingly little effort to counter it.
A chap I knew back then would buy in “the cheapest shit I could buy from China, by the containerload” and it was pretty bottom of the barrel type stuff.

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:24:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2003823
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


sarahs mum said:
2030+ deaths
—-

Rudd got crucified for a couple of people dying putting in insulation. Even though lots of people benefitted from insulation.

Rupert was all over it. Rudd must go.

I realise all these deaths are not suicides but a lot must be. they can’t all be heart attacks and such,

There was a fair bit of rorting of that going on though, and seemingly little effort to counter it.
A chap I knew back then would buy in “the cheapest shit I could buy from China, by the containerload” and it was pretty bottom of the barrel type stuff.

At least my friend Matt did not die after his heart attack. Which raises the question how many others were hospitalised but saved?

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:26:06
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2003824
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:
2030+ deaths
—-

Rudd got crucified for a couple of people dying putting in insulation. Even though lots of people benefitted from insulation.

Rupert was all over it. Rudd must go.

I realise all these deaths are not suicides but a lot must be. they can’t all be heart attacks and such,

There was a fair bit of rorting of that going on though, and seemingly little effort to counter it.
A chap I knew back then would buy in “the cheapest shit I could buy from China, by the containerload” and it was pretty bottom of the barrel type stuff.

At least my friend Matt did not die after his heart attack. Which raises the question how many others were hospitalised but saved?

Hopefully not many needed that, and if they did they all did as well as Matt.

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:29:09
From: party_pants
ID: 2003827
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Spiny Norman said:


sarahs mum said:
2030+ deaths
—-

Rudd got crucified for a couple of people dying putting in insulation. Even though lots of people benefitted from insulation.

Rupert was all over it. Rudd must go.

I realise all these deaths are not suicides but a lot must be. they can’t all be heart attacks and such,

There was a fair bit of rorting of that going on though, and seemingly little effort to counter it.
A chap I knew back then would buy in “the cheapest shit I could buy from China, by the containerload” and it was pretty bottom of the barrel type stuff.

There was one “installer” who got named and shamed on ACA or TT or whatever it was. They took their big bundles of insulation up into the roof space, charged the customer, and then left the insulation up there still wrapped in the bundles they came in. I.E. they didn’t even bother opening up the packs and laying it out.

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:32:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2003830
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:
2030+ deaths
—-

Rudd got crucified for a couple of people dying putting in insulation. Even though lots of people benefitted from insulation.

Rupert was all over it. Rudd must go.

I realise all these deaths are not suicides but a lot must be. they can’t all be heart attacks and such,

There was a fair bit of rorting of that going on though, and seemingly little effort to counter it.
A chap I knew back then would buy in “the cheapest shit I could buy from China, by the containerload” and it was pretty bottom of the barrel type stuff.

There was one “installer” who got named and shamed on ACA or TT or whatever it was. They took their big bundles of insulation up into the roof space, charged the customer, and then left the insulation up there still wrapped in the bundles they came in. I.E. they didn’t even bother opening up the packs and laying it out.

Nonetheless, the scheme was of considerable overall benefit, including long-term reductions of house fires.

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:34:21
From: buffy
ID: 2003833
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

Spiny Norman said:

There was a fair bit of rorting of that going on though, and seemingly little effort to counter it.
A chap I knew back then would buy in “the cheapest shit I could buy from China, by the containerload” and it was pretty bottom of the barrel type stuff.

There was one “installer” who got named and shamed on ACA or TT or whatever it was. They took their big bundles of insulation up into the roof space, charged the customer, and then left the insulation up there still wrapped in the bundles they came in. I.E. they didn’t even bother opening up the packs and laying it out.

Nonetheless, the scheme was of considerable overall benefit, including long-term reductions of house fires.

And the problems were with the industry regulatory authority, not with the scheme.

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:35:41
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2003836
Subject: re: Aust Politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

Spiny Norman said:

There was a fair bit of rorting of that going on though, and seemingly little effort to counter it.
A chap I knew back then would buy in “the cheapest shit I could buy from China, by the containerload” and it was pretty bottom of the barrel type stuff.

There was one “installer” who got named and shamed on ACA or TT or whatever it was. They took their big bundles of insulation up into the roof space, charged the customer, and then left the insulation up there still wrapped in the bundles they came in. I.E. they didn’t even bother opening up the packs and laying it out.

Nonetheless, the scheme was of considerable overall benefit, including long-term reductions of house fires.

I quite agree, I’d like to see more of the same thanks.

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:47:15
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2003839
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Oh what a web we weave.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/greens-lawyers-told-me-to-say-i-dated-bikie-thorpe/ar-AA18jbSi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1ba23500db13468697248c5846ad9c3c&ei=8

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Date: 7/03/2023 20:54:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2003840
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Oh what a web we weave.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/greens-lawyers-told-me-to-say-i-dated-bikie-thorpe/ar-AA18jbSi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1ba23500db13468697248c5846ad9c3c&ei=8

reads to me like a crock.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:06:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2003842
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Oh what a web we weave.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/greens-lawyers-told-me-to-say-i-dated-bikie-thorpe/ar-AA18jbSi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1ba23500db13468697248c5846ad9c3c&ei=8

reads to me like a crock.

I get the impression that the Greens aren’t going to miss her much.

And I’d be very surprised if she retains the seat after the next election.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:12:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2003845
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Oh what a web we weave.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/greens-lawyers-told-me-to-say-i-dated-bikie-thorpe/ar-AA18jbSi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1ba23500db13468697248c5846ad9c3c&ei=8

reads to me like a crock.

I get the impression that the Greens aren’t going to miss her much.

And I’d be very surprised if she retains the seat after the next election.

nods.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:13:46
From: party_pants
ID: 2003846
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Oh what a web we weave.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/greens-lawyers-told-me-to-say-i-dated-bikie-thorpe/ar-AA18jbSi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1ba23500db13468697248c5846ad9c3c&ei=8

reads to me like a crock.

I get the impression that the Greens aren’t going to miss her much.

And I’d be very surprised if she retains the seat after the next election.

Yeah, but she’s still got 11 years left.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:21:55
From: tauto
ID: 2003849
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

reads to me like a crock.

I get the impression that the Greens aren’t going to miss her much.

And I’d be very surprised if she retains the seat after the next election.

Yeah, but she’s still got 11 years left.

__

How is that?
5 years, yeah ?

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:24:18
From: party_pants
ID: 2003851
Subject: re: Aust Politics

tauto said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I get the impression that the Greens aren’t going to miss her much.

And I’d be very surprised if she retains the seat after the next election.

Yeah, but she’s still got 11 years left.

__

How is that?
5 years, yeah ?

slaps head

yeah. 5 years left.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:29:21
From: tauto
ID: 2003853
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


tauto said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, but she’s still got 11 years left.

__

How is that?
5 years, yeah ?

slaps head

yeah. 5 years left.

___

You could be right if she gets reelected in 5 years time.
As an independent, rejoins the greens or another party.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:43:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2003858
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


tauto said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, but she’s still got 11 years left.

__

How is that?
5 years, yeah ?

slaps head

yeah. 5 years left.

I think we need a concussion rule.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:46:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2003859
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

tauto said:

__

How is that?
5 years, yeah ?

slaps head

yeah. 5 years left.

I think we need a concussion rule.

Say if you repeatedly slaps head or bangs head against wall you can’t post for a week

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:53:04
From: party_pants
ID: 2003862
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

slaps head

yeah. 5 years left.

I think we need a concussion rule.

Say if you repeatedly slaps head or bangs head against wall you can’t post for a week

I might have missed

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:56:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2003865
Subject: re: Aust Politics

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we need a concussion rule.

Say if you repeatedly slaps head or bangs head against wall you can’t post for a week

I might have missed

How many fingers am I holding up?

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:57:52
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2003866
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

slaps head

yeah. 5 years left.

I think we need a concussion rule.

Say if you repeatedly slaps head or bangs head against wall you can’t post for a week

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=PFMhWO23&id=C9ADB671D3BCD5EDDC6F60FD43974430D90FE3FD&thid=OIP.PFMhWO23rOE34yyImOku2wHaFS&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fmedia.giphy.com%2fmedia%2fhORtftcyx2luE%2f200.gif&exph=200&expw=280&q=Bang+Head+Against+Desk+GIF&simid=607992353979893837&FORM=IRPRST&ck=305DB8F905585CA7F4C719976EBABB3B&selectedIndex=0&idpp=overlayview&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:58:10
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2003867
Subject: re: Aust Politics

Onward Christian soldiers

A right-wing Christian conference has heard a call for Christians to ‘save the Liberal Party’ by ensuring conservative religious candidates ‘prevail’ in every branch, and Zachary Rolfe, who shot dead an Indigenous teenager, will be stood down from the NT Police Force. (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are warned that today’s Worm mentions a deceased person.)

JUDGMENT DAY
An Australian right-wing Christian conference has been urged to “flood” the country’s Liberal parties with members, the Brisbane Times reports, to ensure conservative religious candidates “prevail” in every branch. The comments were from host Dave Pellowe, the paper says, and came after speakers slammed “the transgender issue”, abortion, climate action, and referenced the Great Reset conspiracy. “We need to save the Liberal Party,” Pellowe said ominously. Among the other speakers were former deputy prime minister-turned YouTuber John Anderson, Northern Territory Country Liberal Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and Queensland One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts. Former Queensland LNP MP George Christensen said Western culture was possessed by Satan “literally or metaphorically” and warned civilisation would end in our generation unless Christians acted or Jesus returned (whichever comes first).

From Christians to Christian, and the former attorney-general Christian Porter is representing Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in a legal battle against federal government sanctions, The West ($) reports. Deripaska was thought to be a close pal of Russian President Vladimir Putin and was hit with financial sanctions that restrict his assets in Oz — including a stake in a Queensland refinery — which he is challenging in court. To a very different story about power and influence now and Freedom of Information (FOI) commissioner Leo Hardiman has quit the job less than a year into his five-year stint because he didn’t have enough power to overhaul the sluggish system, the AFR ($) reports. FOI requests are supposed to take 30 days as per the legislation, as The New Daily explains, but a fifth (22.5%) takes longer, double what it was in 2011 (11.5%). Now one in every eight requests take more than four months (!) to come back. Hardiman was the first FOI boss in eight years after the Abbott government tried to shut down the office.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:58:44
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2003868
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Onward Christian soldiers

A right-wing Christian conference has heard a call for Christians to ‘save the Liberal Party’ by ensuring conservative religious candidates ‘prevail’ in every branch, and Zachary Rolfe, who shot dead an Indigenous teenager, will be stood down from the NT Police Force. (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are warned that today’s Worm mentions a deceased person.)

JUDGMENT DAY
An Australian right-wing Christian conference has been urged to “flood” the country’s Liberal parties with members, the Brisbane Times reports, to ensure conservative religious candidates “prevail” in every branch. The comments were from host Dave Pellowe, the paper says, and came after speakers slammed “the transgender issue”, abortion, climate action, and referenced the Great Reset conspiracy. “We need to save the Liberal Party,” Pellowe said ominously. Among the other speakers were former deputy prime minister-turned YouTuber John Anderson, Northern Territory Country Liberal Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and Queensland One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts. Former Queensland LNP MP George Christensen said Western culture was possessed by Satan “literally or metaphorically” and warned civilisation would end in our generation unless Christians acted or Jesus returned (whichever comes first).

From Christians to Christian, and the former attorney-general Christian Porter is representing Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in a legal battle against federal government sanctions, The West ($) reports. Deripaska was thought to be a close pal of Russian President Vladimir Putin and was hit with financial sanctions that restrict his assets in Oz — including a stake in a Queensland refinery — which he is challenging in court. To a very different story about power and influence now and Freedom of Information (FOI) commissioner Leo Hardiman has quit the job less than a year into his five-year stint because he didn’t have enough power to overhaul the sluggish system, the AFR ($) reports. FOI requests are supposed to take 30 days as per the legislation, as The New Daily explains, but a fifth (22.5%) takes longer, double what it was in 2011 (11.5%). Now one in every eight requests take more than four months (!) to come back. Hardiman was the first FOI boss in eight years after the Abbott government tried to shut down the office.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/03/07/christians-save-libs-flood-branches/

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Date: 7/03/2023 22:00:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2003870
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


Onward Christian soldiers

A right-wing Christian conference has heard a call for Christians to ‘save the Liberal Party’ by ensuring conservative religious candidates ‘prevail’ in every branch, and Zachary Rolfe, who shot dead an Indigenous teenager, will be stood down from the NT Police Force. (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are warned that today’s Worm mentions a deceased person.)

JUDGMENT DAY
An Australian right-wing Christian conference has been urged to “flood” the country’s Liberal parties with members, the Brisbane Times reports, to ensure conservative religious candidates “prevail” in every branch. The comments were from host Dave Pellowe, the paper says, and came after speakers slammed “the transgender issue”, abortion, climate action, and referenced the Great Reset conspiracy. “We need to save the Liberal Party,” Pellowe said ominously. Among the other speakers were former deputy prime minister-turned YouTuber John Anderson, Northern Territory Country Liberal Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and Queensland One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts. Former Queensland LNP MP George Christensen said Western culture was possessed by Satan “literally or metaphorically” and warned civilisation would end in our generation unless Christians acted or Jesus returned (whichever comes first).

From Christians to Christian, and the former attorney-general Christian Porter is representing Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in a legal battle against federal government sanctions, The West ($) reports. Deripaska was thought to be a close pal of Russian President Vladimir Putin and was hit with financial sanctions that restrict his assets in Oz — including a stake in a Queensland refinery — which he is challenging in court. To a very different story about power and influence now and Freedom of Information (FOI) commissioner Leo Hardiman has quit the job less than a year into his five-year stint because he didn’t have enough power to overhaul the sluggish system, the AFR ($) reports. FOI requests are supposed to take 30 days as per the legislation, as The New Daily explains, but a fifth (22.5%) takes longer, double what it was in 2011 (11.5%). Now one in every eight requests take more than four months (!) to come back. Hardiman was the first FOI boss in eight years after the Abbott government tried to shut down the office.

Bloody sicko right wing christians.

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Date: 7/03/2023 22:07:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2003872
Subject: re: Aust Politics

sarahs mum said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Onward Christian soldiers

A right-wing Christian conference has heard a call for Christians to ‘save the Liberal Party’ by ensuring conservative religious candidates ‘prevail’ in every branch, and Zachary Rolfe, who shot dead an Indigenous teenager, will be stood down from the NT Police Force. (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are warned that today’s Worm mentions a deceased person.)

JUDGMENT DAY
An Australian right-wing Christian conference has been urged to “flood” the country’s Liberal parties with members, the Brisbane Times reports, to ensure conservative religious candidates “prevail” in every branch. The comments were from host Dave Pellowe, the paper says, and came after speakers slammed “the transgender issue”, abortion, climate action, and referenced the Great Reset conspiracy. “We need to save the Liberal Party,” Pellowe said ominously. Among the other speakers were former deputy prime minister-turned YouTuber John Anderson, Northern Territory Country Liberal Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and Queensland One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts. Former Queensland LNP MP George Christensen said Western culture was possessed by Satan “literally or metaphorically” and warned civilisation would end in our generation unless Christians acted or Jesus returned (whichever comes first).

From Christians to Christian, and the former attorney-general Christian Porter is representing Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in a legal battle against federal government sanctions, The West ($) reports. Deripaska was thought to be a close pal of Russian President Vladimir Putin and was hit with financial sanctions that restrict his assets in Oz — including a stake in a Queensland refinery — which he is challenging in court. To a very different story about power and influence now and Freedom of Information (FOI) commissioner Leo Hardiman has quit the job less than a year into his five-year stint because he didn’t have enough power to overhaul the sluggish system, the AFR ($) reports. FOI requests are supposed to take 30 days as per the legislation, as The New Daily explains, but a fifth (22.5%) takes longer, double what it was in 2011 (11.5%). Now one in every eight requests take more than four months (!) to come back. Hardiman was the first FOI boss in eight years after the Abbott government tried to shut down the office.

Bloody sicko right wing christians.

Concerns about “the transgender issue” are certainly not restricted to right-wingers or Christians, but they will be trying to exploit the issue and will doubtless have some success, given left-wing reluctance to even acknowledge such concerns.

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Date: 8/03/2023 09:29:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2003944
Subject: re: Aust Politics

ChrispenEvan said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Onward Christian soldiers

A right-wing Christian conference has heard a call for Christians to ‘save the Liberal Party’ by ensuring conservative religious candidates ‘prevail’ in every branch, and Zachary Rolfe, who shot dead an Indigenous teenager, will be stood down from the NT Police Force. (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are warned that today’s Worm mentions a deceased person.)

JUDGMENT DAY
An Australian right-wing Christian conference has been urged to “flood” the country’s Liberal parties with members, the Brisbane Times reports, to ensure conservative religious candidates “prevail” in every branch. The comments were from host Dave Pellowe, the paper says, and came after speakers slammed “the transgender issue”, abortion, climate action, and referenced the Great Reset conspiracy. “We need to save the Liberal Party,” Pellowe said ominously. Among the other speakers were former deputy prime minister-turned YouTuber John Anderson, Northern Territory Country Liberal Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and Queensland One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts. Former Queensland LNP MP George Christensen said Western culture was possessed by Satan “literally or metaphorically” and warned civilisation would end in our generation unless Christians acted or Jesus returned (whichever comes first).

From Christians to Christian, and the former attorney-general Christian Porter is representing Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in a legal battle against federal government sanctions, The West ($) reports. Deripaska was thought to be a close pal of Russian President Vladimir Putin and was hit with financial sanctions that restrict his assets in Oz — including a stake in a Queensland refinery — which he is challenging in court. To a very different story about power and influence now and Freedom of Information (FOI) commissioner Leo Hardiman has quit the job less than a year into his five-year stint because he didn’t have enough power to overhaul the sluggish system, the AFR ($) reports. FOI requests are supposed to take 30 days as per the legislation, as The New Daily explains, but a fifth (22.5%) takes longer, double what it was in 2011 (11.5%). Now one in every eight requests take more than four months (!) to come back. Hardiman was the first FOI boss in eight years after the Abbott government tried to shut down the office.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/03/07/christians-save-libs-flood-branches/

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