Should misinformation be made into a crime?
Or rather than a blanket approach, should some types of misinformation be made criminal?
Any thoughts?
No.
sibeen said:
No.
Why?
Tau.Neutrino said:
sibeen said:
No.
Why?
Santa.
Who defines “misinformation”?
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sibeen said:
No.
Why?
Santa.
Santa is not Craig Kelly fooling people with nonsense.
sibeen said:
Who defines “misinformation”?
me
sibeen said:
Who defines “misinformation”?
That’s not going to be easy, I suppose without scientific evidence to back it up
This lady could be in charge
sibeen said:
Who defines “misinformation”?
Who defines facts from opinions ?
In this case the health department.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Who defines “misinformation”?
That’s not going to be easy, I suppose without scientific evidence to back it up
The health department, the CSIRO has access to scientific information. They are the ones to authorise information has being factual.
Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punished.
There is a long history of scientific concepts being suppressed as what we would now call misinformation. Without the fair contest of ideas Galileo, Copernicus and Kepler would have been unable to propagate their revolutionary concepts.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Who defines “misinformation”?
That’s not going to be easy, I suppose without scientific evidence to back it up
The health department, the CSIRO has access to scientific information. They are the ones to authorise information has being factual.
Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punished.
Not sure how you could enforce it, especially say as the intelligence/military communities use misinformation to justify going to war.
MWD lies for example
For all that our modern society is based on science and technology lots of ignorance and outright made up information still exists that is just accepted without proof.
Perhaps many peoples mind don’t even give it a thought that perhaps its not true.
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:That’s not going to be easy, I suppose without scientific evidence to back it up
The health department, the CSIRO has access to scientific information. They are the ones to authorise information has being factual.
Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punished.
Not sure how you could enforce it, especially say as the intelligence/military communities use misinformation to justify going to war.
MWD lies for example
Weapons of mass destruction was fabricated and should go before the UN.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The health department, the CSIRO has access to scientific information. They are the ones to authorise information has being factual.
Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punished.
Not sure how you could enforce it, especially say as the intelligence/military communities use misinformation to justify going to war.
MWD lies for exampleWeapons of mass destruction was fabricated and should go before the UN.
Children overboard.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:Not sure how you could enforce it, especially say as the intelligence/military communities use misinformation to justify going to war.
MWD lies for exampleWeapons of mass destruction was fabricated and should go before the UN.
Children overboard.
Yes that as well
Concepts such as the Tooth fairy and Santa should be excluded.
There are probably many other things that could be excluded.
But I think health misinformation and political misinformation should be a crime.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Weapons of mass destruction was fabricated and should go before the UN.
Children overboard.
Yes that as well
+1
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Weapons of mass destruction was fabricated and should go before the UN.
Children overboard.
Yes that as well
And the children being abused story that caused the NT intervention.
Politicians probably spout misinformation every day.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:Children overboard.
Yes that as well
And the children being abused story that caused the NT intervention.
And this one gets to me…because they did try to not reveal how much abuse was in the church and in the schools. But they did go after some mostly innocent aborigines.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Yes that as well
And the children being abused story that caused the NT intervention.
And this one gets to me…because they did try to not reveal how much abuse was in the church and in the schools. But they did go after some mostly innocent aborigines.
Easy targets compared to churches
Cymek said:
Politicians probably spout misinformation every day.
They are not being responsible by doing so and if the intension is to deceive, I consider that to be criminal.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/scott-morrison-distances-himself-from-craig-kelly-covid-vaccine/13117776
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/scott-morrison-distances-himself-from-craig-kelly-covid-vaccine/13117776
Labor leader Anthony Albanese said he was pleased Mr Morrison had made a “belated statement” to distance himself from Mr Kelly.
“I hope that today sees an end to the information or disinformation from the Member for Hughes,” he told the Parliament.
Anthony Albanese should know misinformation when he sees it, misinformation is not factual information.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/scott-morrison-distances-himself-from-craig-kelly-covid-vaccine/13117776
Labor leader Anthony Albanese said he was pleased Mr Morrison had made a “belated statement” to distance himself from Mr Kelly.
“I hope that today sees an end to the information or disinformation from the Member for Hughes,” he told the Parliament.
Anthony Albanese should know misinformation when he sees it, misinformation is not factual information.
Exactly, what about disinformation ¿
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:Children overboard.
Yes that as well
And the children being abused story that caused the NT intervention.
It wasn’t a story it was an official report by the NT Government. The resulting legislation was an over-reach but suggesting it was baseed on just a story is incorrect.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Yes that as well
And the children being abused story that caused the NT intervention.
It wasn’t a story it was an official report by the NT Government. The resulting legislation was an over-reach but suggesting it was baseed on just a story is incorrect.
In May 2006, Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers stunned Australia with allegations that child sexual abuse and neglect were widespread in Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory.
Her allegations led to the ‘Little Children are Sacred’ investigation in 2007, which found sexual abuse was serious, widespread, and often under-reported in towns and communities across the Territory.
A decade later, co-chair of the report, Rex Wild QC says Canberra largely ignored the report’s key recommendations and instead used it as a political tool to push for the intervention.
“I think that Canberra seized upon it for political reasons and that precipitated the invasion of the Northern Territory, it was a poor response; the wrong response,” Mr Wild told NITV News.
He said while the inquiry was originally set up to investigate child abuse, the report discovered much larger social problems within Aboriginal communities that needed to be addressed.
It highlighted a ‘breakdown’ of Aboriginal culture and society, and recommended that the government support and empower Aboriginal people to address abuse within their communities.
However, this key part of the report seemed to be “totally missed by the parliament,” Mr Wild said.
“What I’ve learnt is that it doesn’t matter how many times you say it, people don’t listen properly,” he said.The report recommended better education for Indigenous children, alcohol reform, and improved employment prospects for Aboriginal communities.
Instead, the Federal Government instigated the Northern Territory National Emergency Response and suspended the Racial Discrimination Act, sent the army into communities, demanded health tests for all Indigenous children, and banned alcohol, pornography, and gambling.
“One of the threshold items of the report is that community consultation is needed to be able to best implement the report and that clearly didn’t happen.”
“The Intervention right away got community members off side, so that of course would cause delays in the following on from the report’s findings.”
It has now been 10 years since the influential document was released, but Indigenous communities still struggle with many of the issues outlined in the report.
Rates of Indigenous incarceration have doubled since 2007; the number of children in out-of-home care has gone up three times, and there has been a spike in youth suicide and self-harm.
“…the Little Children report actually follows a 15-year implementation plan, so that’s how long it should take for things to turn around, and we can safely say that it hasn’t been implemented and that it’s still years away,” Mr Wild said.
“Politicians just keep paying lip service to it.”
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-news/article/2017/06/20/writer-report-sparked-nt-intervention-condemns-government
okay. It wasn’t as much misinformation as abuse of information.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Yes that as well
And the children being abused story that caused the NT intervention.
It wasn’t a story it was an official report by the NT Government. The resulting legislation was an over-reach but suggesting it was baseed on just a story is incorrect.
Have a read-
https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/28/a-decade-on-the-fraud-of-the-nt-intervention-is-exposed/
“When you talk to macropod specialists, when you talk to ecologists, kangaroos can increase their population by up to ten per cent in a really good year,” Cr Vincent said.
“That’s with great grazing conditions and no catastrophic fires.
So to say that we’ve had an increase in population of 40 per cent since 2018 to 2020, over a two year period, is just not scientifically possible.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-03/wildlife-groups-attack-victorian-kangaroo-harvest-quota/13117172
you can’t arrest everyone all of the time
Arts said:
you can’t arrest everyone all of the time
Even if they’re kayaking maskless?
Arts said:
you can’t arrest everyone all of the time
Too much the magic bus.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
you can’t arrest everyone all of the time
Even if they’re kayaking maskless?
I wore a mask… why… what did you see?
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
you can’t arrest everyone all of the time
Even if they’re kayaking maskless?
I wore a mask… why… what did you see?
You forgot your bikini?
Misinformation is false or inaccurate information that is communicated regardless of an intention to deceive. … Disinformation is a species of misinformation that is deliberately deceptive, e. g. malicious hoaxes, spearphishing, and computational propaganda.
If there is any need to prove that Trump’s big lie is, indeed, a lie, there is plenty of proof in the fact that when the leader of the company Trump surrogates blamed for facilitating election fraud threatened to sue them, they backed down fast. The voting machine company Dominion Voting Systems was at the center of Trump supporters’ claims of a stolen election, and its leadership has threatened to sue the conservative media network Newsmax for its personalities’ false statements. When the threat of a lawsuit first emerged, Newsmax issued an on-air disclaimer.
Today, even as Trump’s lawyers were reiterating his insistence that he really won the election, the issue came up again. When MyPillow founder Mike Lindell began to spout Trump’s big lie on a Newsmax show, the co-anchor tried repeatedly to cut him off. When he was unsuccessful, the producers muted Lindell while the co-anchor said, “We at Newsmax have not been able to verify any of those kinds of allegations…. We just want to let people know that there’s nothing substantive that we have seen.”
He read a legal disclaimer: “Newsmax accepts the results as legal and final. The courts have also supported that view.” And then he stood up and left the set.
Heather Cox Richardson.
PermeateFree said:
Misinformation is false or inaccurate information that is communicated regardless of an intention to deceive. … Disinformation is a species of misinformation that is deliberately deceptive, e. g. malicious hoaxes, spearphishing, and computational propaganda.
That’s the bit I don’t like.
The intension to deceive.
>Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punished
are you inflating or potentially overstating the influence of such people, and if you misrepresented that influence are you simultaneously overstating how vulnerable people are, suggestible etc, and further are you (unknown to yourself) presenting as normal the view that people ought be vulnerable that way, by some accident of apparent good intentions
I ask because if there were just one instance where what you said did in some minor way cultivate vulnerability, encourage such a thing, even accidentally and indirectly, well that might be cause to question your stridency
is it manipulative to entertain vulnerability, to cultivate it. Is anything similar ever employed in the psychological arsenal of brainwashing, or even torture
you could be, while inoculating people with strident warnings, instead be broadcasting ideas about how vulnerable people ought be, creating unnecessary anxiety, increasing the nonsense, paving the road for more nonsense
transition said:
>Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punishedare you inflating or potentially overstating the influence of such people, and if you misrepresented that influence are you simultaneously overstating how vulnerable people are, suggestible etc, and further are you (unknown to yourself) presenting as normal the view that people ought be vulnerable that way, by some accident of apparent good intentions
I ask because if there were just one instance where what you said did in some minor way cultivate vulnerability, encourage such a thing, even accidentally and indirectly, well that might be cause to question your stridency
is it manipulative to entertain vulnerability, to cultivate it. Is anything similar ever employed in the psychological arsenal of brainwashing, or even torture
you could be, while inoculating people with strident warnings, instead be broadcasting ideas about how vulnerable people ought be, creating unnecessary anxiety, increasing the nonsense, paving the road for more nonsense
The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punishedare you inflating or potentially overstating the influence of such people, and if you misrepresented that influence are you simultaneously overstating how vulnerable people are, suggestible etc, and further are you (unknown to yourself) presenting as normal the view that people ought be vulnerable that way, by some accident of apparent good intentions
I ask because if there were just one instance where what you said did in some minor way cultivate vulnerability, encourage such a thing, even accidentally and indirectly, well that might be cause to question your stridency
is it manipulative to entertain vulnerability, to cultivate it. Is anything similar ever employed in the psychological arsenal of brainwashing, or even torture
you could be, while inoculating people with strident warnings, instead be broadcasting ideas about how vulnerable people ought be, creating unnecessary anxiety, increasing the nonsense, paving the road for more nonsense
The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
Ah but for all we know Craig Kelly has no intention to deceive. He could be a complete moron.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The intension to deceive is criminal.That is all.
razors eyebrows
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punishedare you inflating or potentially overstating the influence of such people, and if you misrepresented that influence are you simultaneously overstating how vulnerable people are, suggestible etc, and further are you (unknown to yourself) presenting as normal the view that people ought be vulnerable that way, by some accident of apparent good intentions
I ask because if there were just one instance where what you said did in some minor way cultivate vulnerability, encourage such a thing, even accidentally and indirectly, well that might be cause to question your stridency
is it manipulative to entertain vulnerability, to cultivate it. Is anything similar ever employed in the psychological arsenal of brainwashing, or even torture
you could be, while inoculating people with strident warnings, instead be broadcasting ideas about how vulnerable people ought be, creating unnecessary anxiety, increasing the nonsense, paving the road for more nonsense
The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
I think he believes what he is saying in which case there is no intention to deceive. He quotes an Emeritus Professor as his reference. Has anyone looked him up?
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punishedare you inflating or potentially overstating the influence of such people, and if you misrepresented that influence are you simultaneously overstating how vulnerable people are, suggestible etc, and further are you (unknown to yourself) presenting as normal the view that people ought be vulnerable that way, by some accident of apparent good intentions
I ask because if there were just one instance where what you said did in some minor way cultivate vulnerability, encourage such a thing, even accidentally and indirectly, well that might be cause to question your stridency
is it manipulative to entertain vulnerability, to cultivate it. Is anything similar ever employed in the psychological arsenal of brainwashing, or even torture
you could be, while inoculating people with strident warnings, instead be broadcasting ideas about how vulnerable people ought be, creating unnecessary anxiety, increasing the nonsense, paving the road for more nonsense
The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
I think he believes what he is saying in which case there is no intention to deceive. He quotes an Emeritus Professor as his reference. Has anyone looked him up?
What PF said
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punishedare you inflating or potentially overstating the influence of such people, and if you misrepresented that influence are you simultaneously overstating how vulnerable people are, suggestible etc, and further are you (unknown to yourself) presenting as normal the view that people ought be vulnerable that way, by some accident of apparent good intentions
I ask because if there were just one instance where what you said did in some minor way cultivate vulnerability, encourage such a thing, even accidentally and indirectly, well that might be cause to question your stridency
is it manipulative to entertain vulnerability, to cultivate it. Is anything similar ever employed in the psychological arsenal of brainwashing, or even torture
you could be, while inoculating people with strident warnings, instead be broadcasting ideas about how vulnerable people ought be, creating unnecessary anxiety, increasing the nonsense, paving the road for more nonsense
The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
I think he believes what he is saying in which case there is no intention to deceive. He quotes an Emeritus Professor as his reference. Has anyone looked him up?
Thomas Borody? Just guessing here.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Craig Kelly has deceived people and should be punishedare you inflating or potentially overstating the influence of such people, and if you misrepresented that influence are you simultaneously overstating how vulnerable people are, suggestible etc, and further are you (unknown to yourself) presenting as normal the view that people ought be vulnerable that way, by some accident of apparent good intentions
I ask because if there were just one instance where what you said did in some minor way cultivate vulnerability, encourage such a thing, even accidentally and indirectly, well that might be cause to question your stridency
is it manipulative to entertain vulnerability, to cultivate it. Is anything similar ever employed in the psychological arsenal of brainwashing, or even torture
you could be, while inoculating people with strident warnings, instead be broadcasting ideas about how vulnerable people ought be, creating unnecessary anxiety, increasing the nonsense, paving the road for more nonsense
The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
Ah but for all we know Craig Kelly has no intention to deceive. He could be a complete moron.
He is into climate change denial and anti-vax, so yes he could be a complete moron.
Craig Kelly’s Facebook page.
JudgeMental said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
I think he believes what he is saying in which case there is no intention to deceive. He quotes an Emeritus Professor as his reference. Has anyone looked him up?
Thomas Borody? Just guessing here.
LOL, am I good or what?
https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/posts/when-professor-borody-speaks-we-should-sit-up-and-listen-ivermectin-treatment-is/1580441565483805/
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
I think he believes what he is saying in which case there is no intention to deceive. He quotes an Emeritus Professor as his reference. Has anyone looked him up?
What PF said
He’s more than a one trick pony though, his brain cell entertains many theories.
dv said:
Ah but for all we know Craig Kelly has no intention to deceive. He could be a complete moron.
It’s possible.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The intension to deceive is criminal.
That is all.
Ah but for all we know Craig Kelly has no intention to deceive. He could be a complete moron.
He is into climate change denial and anti-vax, so yes he could be a complete moron.
theoretically, some may say, the solution is better education, both in SCIENCE and general media literacy
but then many people thought vaccines would be a magic bullet against a mild cold virus that’s spread by 5G telecommunications and doesn’t actually exist
so yeah in summary we thank you for an interesting thread even if the original premise is arguable
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
PermeateFree said:I think he believes what he is saying in which case there is no intention to deceive. He quotes an Emeritus Professor as his reference. Has anyone looked him up?
Thomas Borody? Just guessing here.
LOL, am I good or what?
https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/posts/when-professor-borody-speaks-we-should-sit-up-and-listen-ivermectin-treatment-is/1580441565483805/
It should be pointed out in Borody’s defence that he does not support 99.9% of Kelly’s claims…
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Ah but for all we know Craig Kelly has no intention to deceive. He could be a complete moron.
It’s possible.
I think its safe to say that Craig will never become an Emeritus Professor.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:Thomas Borody? Just guessing here.
LOL, am I good or what?
https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/posts/when-professor-borody-speaks-we-should-sit-up-and-listen-ivermectin-treatment-is/1580441565483805/
It should be pointed out in Borody’s defence that he does not support 99.9% of Kelly’s claims…
Yes, but the alt-cure people love to reference him.
JudgeMental said:
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
You mean this wasn’t the only one?
JudgeMental said:
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
Do they still print the Truth, my grandmother used to get that newspaper.
Come on down to Conspiracy Craig’s 24hr Disinformation Warehouse!
First Dog on the Moon
First Dog on the Moon
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/03/come-on-down-to-conspiracy-craigs-24hr-disinformation-warehouse
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
You mean this wasn’t the only one?
well before the NT News went feral. I used to work with their cartoonist, Colin Wicking. He started his career at the Darwin Star.
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
Do they still print the Truth, my grandmother used to get that newspaper.
Truth was a Melbourne tabloid newspaper established in 1902 as a subsidiary of Sydney’s Truth. It was “a sensational weekly paper with a large circulation, delighting while shocking its readers with its frequent exposure of personal scandal and social injustice. Detailed police and court reports, illustrated by drawings and photographs of prosecutors and defendants.”
Wikipedia
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
You mean this wasn’t the only one?
Proper local news.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
Do they still print the Truth, my grandmother used to get that newspaper.
Truth was a Melbourne tabloid newspaper established in 1902 as a subsidiary of Sydney’s Truth. It was “a sensational weekly paper with a large circulation, delighting while shocking its readers with its frequent exposure of personal scandal and social injustice. Detailed police and court reports, illustrated by drawings and photographs of prosecutors and defendants.”
Wikipedia
It was also a Brisbane Sunday paper, respectable people would never be seen dead with a copy of The Truth.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Do they still print the Truth, my grandmother used to get that newspaper.
Truth was a Melbourne tabloid newspaper established in 1902 as a subsidiary of Sydney’s Truth. It was “a sensational weekly paper with a large circulation, delighting while shocking its readers with its frequent exposure of personal scandal and social injustice. Detailed police and court reports, illustrated by drawings and photographs of prosecutors and defendants.”
Wikipedia
It was also a Brisbane Sunday paper, respectable people would never be seen dead with a copy of The Truth.
I read on Wikipedia that there was a Sydney version as well.
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
I used to work on a newspaper when I lived in Darwin. Small and independent. We had many editors, and editorial direction over the years. One editor wanted us to be like The Truth. Classic front pages included, Queen Mum Bashed (the queen mum was a local gay guy), another was Used Car Salesman has Herpes Cure. Craig comes to mind when I recall this headline.
You mean this wasn’t the only one?
ROFL
For many years I used to fly up to Darwin to do some work at the NT News offices. They also had an office in Alice that I’d attend.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Should misinformation be made into a crime?Or rather than a blanket approach, should some types of misinformation be made criminal?
Any thoughts?
Perjury already is.
i’d reckon of more formalized settings and arrangements there are laws that protect people, contract law for example gets to the essential requirements of what makes a fair and sound agreement or arrangement, but depends how you see the law, you know it more provides an operating space, and guidance, half of everything is left to discretion, or is in the territory of discretion, for the most part things come down to some behavior involving minds, it’d be difficult to legislate and enforce laws that ventured and imposed too greatly on that territory, otherwise usual functional discretion is diminished, and that’s potentially creeping
so there’s an informal dimension to mostly everything of human relations, and informal behavior controls
people avoid too much adverse attention for example, disapproval, only a small part of the (potential) disapproval that does what it does is dealt by formal/ized means
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-02-08/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-misinformation-inoculation-theory/13125164
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/can-we-vaccinate-people-against-falling-for-vaccine-lies/13130412
