Date: 12/02/2021 05:03:21
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1694095
Subject: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Somehow, someway, our night sky is changing.
And we don’t know why.

Pop culture has us thinking the sky is eternally permanent, like our pets when we were kids (why did you have to die ringo??) After all, we have used the stars as interstellar lighthouses to guide our ships in centuries past and we’ve made a universe (pun intended) of heroes and villains from patterns in the sky for much longer. But the truth is, we can mythologise the ancient Greek version of The Avengers in the sky, but we have watched with naked eyes and missing the minute details.

Question: what if we haven’t watched closely enough?

Alright we get it, we can’t all stare art the sky watching every star like an astronomical creche.

Fortunately, a group of astronomers has devised a way to compare 70-year-old surveys with snaps of today’s sky. So please, come inside and stop monitoring the stars now. The researchers used software to analyse the 600 million light signatures above us and compared them to skies of the past using data from the US Naval Observatory (USNO) over a period of decades starting in 1949, with observations by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) between 2010 and 2014.

The results were cross referenced yet again with other datasets to isolate the most promising anomalies, initially resulting in about 150,000 potential “missing” stars.

Finally, the team filtered through the remaining 24,000 cases one-at-a-time to define which remained a mystery and which could be attributed to errors such as camera malfunctions. And now, the Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) Project has announced their imminent findings after years of laborious work, revealing at least 100 stars of decades past have gone AWOL.

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Date: 12/02/2021 05:37:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1694096
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

It’s all very strange.

Or is it?

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Date: 12/02/2021 06:37:01
From: buffy
ID: 1694100
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Bubblecar said:


It’s all very strange.

Or is it?

The writers of Dr Who knew.

I particularly like the announcement of a coming announcement… (I didn’t go to the link, could just be poor use of words, I guess)

>>the Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) Project has announced their imminent findings<<

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Date: 12/02/2021 07:09:11
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1694101
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Spiny Norman said:


Somehow, someway, our night sky is changing.
And we don’t know why.

Pop culture has us thinking the sky is eternally permanent, like our pets when we were kids (why did you have to die ringo??) After all, we have used the stars as interstellar lighthouses to guide our ships in centuries past and we’ve made a universe (pun intended) of heroes and villains from patterns in the sky for much longer. But the truth is, we can mythologise the ancient Greek version of The Avengers in the sky, but we have watched with naked eyes and missing the minute details.

Question: what if we haven’t watched closely enough?

Alright we get it, we can’t all stare art the sky watching every star like an astronomical creche.

Fortunately, a group of astronomers has devised a way to compare 70-year-old surveys with snaps of today’s sky. So please, come inside and stop monitoring the stars now. The researchers used software to analyse the 600 million light signatures above us and compared them to skies of the past using data from the US Naval Observatory (USNO) over a period of decades starting in 1949, with observations by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) between 2010 and 2014.

The results were cross referenced yet again with other datasets to isolate the most promising anomalies, initially resulting in about 150,000 potential “missing” stars.

Finally, the team filtered through the remaining 24,000 cases one-at-a-time to define which remained a mystery and which could be attributed to errors such as camera malfunctions. And now, the Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) Project has announced their imminent findings after years of laborious work, revealing at least 100 stars of decades past have gone AWOL.

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Editor: We need you to write 800 words about this. *shoves media release at writer
Writer: there’s really only 300…
Editor: ok then, 1000 words.

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Date: 12/02/2021 07:21:59
From: Michael V
ID: 1694104
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Divine Angel said:


Spiny Norman said:

Somehow, someway, our night sky is changing.
And we don’t know why.

Pop culture has us thinking the sky is eternally permanent, like our pets when we were kids (why did you have to die ringo??) After all, we have used the stars as interstellar lighthouses to guide our ships in centuries past and we’ve made a universe (pun intended) of heroes and villains from patterns in the sky for much longer. But the truth is, we can mythologise the ancient Greek version of The Avengers in the sky, but we have watched with naked eyes and missing the minute details.

Question: what if we haven’t watched closely enough?

Alright we get it, we can’t all stare art the sky watching every star like an astronomical creche.

Fortunately, a group of astronomers has devised a way to compare 70-year-old surveys with snaps of today’s sky. So please, come inside and stop monitoring the stars now. The researchers used software to analyse the 600 million light signatures above us and compared them to skies of the past using data from the US Naval Observatory (USNO) over a period of decades starting in 1949, with observations by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) between 2010 and 2014.

The results were cross referenced yet again with other datasets to isolate the most promising anomalies, initially resulting in about 150,000 potential “missing” stars.

Finally, the team filtered through the remaining 24,000 cases one-at-a-time to define which remained a mystery and which could be attributed to errors such as camera malfunctions. And now, the Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) Project has announced their imminent findings after years of laborious work, revealing at least 100 stars of decades past have gone AWOL.

More

Editor: We need you to write 800 words about this. *shoves media release at writer
Writer: there’s really only 300…
Editor: ok then, 1000 words.

LOL

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Date: 12/02/2021 08:20:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1694124
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Michael V said:


Divine Angel said:

Spiny Norman said:

Somehow, someway, our night sky is changing.
And we don’t know why.

Pop culture has us thinking the sky is eternally permanent, like our pets when we were kids (why did you have to die ringo??) After all, we have used the stars as interstellar lighthouses to guide our ships in centuries past and we’ve made a universe (pun intended) of heroes and villains from patterns in the sky for much longer. But the truth is, we can mythologise the ancient Greek version of The Avengers in the sky, but we have watched with naked eyes and missing the minute details.

Question: what if we haven’t watched closely enough?

Alright we get it, we can’t all stare art the sky watching every star like an astronomical creche.

Fortunately, a group of astronomers has devised a way to compare 70-year-old surveys with snaps of today’s sky. So please, come inside and stop monitoring the stars now. The researchers used software to analyse the 600 million light signatures above us and compared them to skies of the past using data from the US Naval Observatory (USNO) over a period of decades starting in 1949, with observations by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) between 2010 and 2014.

The results were cross referenced yet again with other datasets to isolate the most promising anomalies, initially resulting in about 150,000 potential “missing” stars.

Finally, the team filtered through the remaining 24,000 cases one-at-a-time to define which remained a mystery and which could be attributed to errors such as camera malfunctions. And now, the Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) Project has announced their imminent findings after years of laborious work, revealing at least 100 stars of decades past have gone AWOL.

More

Editor: We need you to write 800 words about this. *shoves media release at writer
Writer: there’s really only 300…
Editor: ok then, 1000 words.

LOL

Doesn’t seem that astonishing to me.

But then I don’t even know how many stars they would expect to disappear over whatever period they are considering.

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Date: 12/02/2021 08:26:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694126
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Editor: We need you to write 800 words about this. *shoves media release at writer
Writer: there’s really only 300…
Editor: ok then, 1000 words.

LOL

Doesn’t seem that astonishing to me.

But then I don’t even know how many stars they would expect to disappear over whatever period they are considering.

In my life, lots of stars have disappeared. Many of them aged 27.

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Date: 12/02/2021 08:31:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1694127
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

LOL

Doesn’t seem that astonishing to me.

But then I don’t even know how many stars they would expect to disappear over whatever period they are considering.

In my life, lots of stars have disappeared. Many of them aged 27.

Sad smile.

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:33:54
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1694139
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Spiny Norman said:


Somehow, someway, our night sky is changing.
And we don’t know why.

Pop culture has us thinking the sky is eternally permanent, like our pets when we were kids (why did you have to die ringo??) After all, we have used the stars as interstellar lighthouses to guide our ships in centuries past and we’ve made a universe (pun intended) of heroes and villains from patterns in the sky for much longer. But the truth is, we can mythologise the ancient Greek version of The Avengers in the sky, but we have watched with naked eyes and missing the minute details.

Question: what if we haven’t watched closely enough?

Alright we get it, we can’t all stare art the sky watching every star like an astronomical creche.

Fortunately, a group of astronomers has devised a way to compare 70-year-old surveys with snaps of today’s sky. So please, come inside and stop monitoring the stars now. The researchers used software to analyse the 600 million light signatures above us and compared them to skies of the past using data from the US Naval Observatory (USNO) over a period of decades starting in 1949, with observations by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) between 2010 and 2014.

The results were cross referenced yet again with other datasets to isolate the most promising anomalies, initially resulting in about 150,000 potential “missing” stars.

Finally, the team filtered through the remaining 24,000 cases one-at-a-time to define which remained a mystery and which could be attributed to errors such as camera malfunctions. And now, the Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) Project has announced their imminent findings after years of laborious work, revealing at least 100 stars of decades past have gone AWOL.

More

> a group of astronomers has devised a way to compare 70-year-old surveys with snaps of today’s sky. So please, come inside and stop monitoring the stars now. The researchers used software to analyse the 600 million light signatures above us and compared them to skies of the past using data from the US Naval Observatory (USNO) over a period of decades starting in 1949, with observations by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) between 2010 and 2014.

That is not easy. The USNO catalogue is the largest of the old pre-Hubble telescopes catalogues. It was used in devising the set of stars that Hubble could be oriented on. But I know virtually nothing about the USNO work, it was originally classified of course. I vaguely remember that two not very large telescopes were used.

> The results were cross referenced yet again with other datasets to isolate the most promising anomalies, initially resulting in about 150,000 potential “missing” stars.

Other datasets being? Probably referring to the Palomar-Oschin sky survey. Yes, that would be it. “The First Palomar Sky Survey (POSS I) was carried out in the 1950’s using the 48-inch Oschin Schmidt telescope at Mount Palomar in southern California.”

> Finally, the team filtered through the remaining 24,000 cases one-at-a-time to define which remained a mystery and which could be attributed to errors such as camera malfunctions. And now, the Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations (VASCO) Project has announced their imminent findings after years of laborious work, revealing at least 100 stars of decades past have gone AWOL.

“At least” 100.

A note here for exophiles. Cross referencing USNO with ‘POSS I’ will already eliminate from consideration all interstellar spacecraft. So this 100 will not contain any interstellar spacecraft. There could still be many hundreds of thousands of interstellar spacecraft on film that we haven’t identified.

It will also have eliminated alien laser communications from the dataset, along with novas, supernovas, helium flashes, asteroids, and fast-moving stars.

Not eliminated will be fading planetary nebulas. With perhaps a few long period variables and cataclysmic variables.

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Date: 12/02/2021 09:37:18
From: dv
ID: 1694141
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Bubblecar said:


It’s all very strange.

Or is it?

Well it is a bit. It will be interesting to track this.

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Date: 12/02/2021 10:01:39
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1694164
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

It’s all very strange.

Or is it?

Well it is a bit. It will be interesting to track this.

When you think of it, 100+ stars out of the 1.04 billion stars in the USNO catalogue is a negligible percentage.

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Date: 12/02/2021 10:02:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1694166
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s all very strange.

Or is it?

Well it is a bit. It will be interesting to track this.

When you think of it, 100+ stars out of the 1.04 billion stars in the USNO catalogue is a negligible percentage.

Whatever you do, DONT BLINK!

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Date: 12/02/2021 10:04:29
From: dv
ID: 1694169
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s all very strange.

Or is it?

Well it is a bit. It will be interesting to track this.

When you think of it, 100+ stars out of the 1.04 billion stars in the USNO catalogue is a negligible percentage.

Right, and black holes make up a negligible percentage of stars in the galaxy but we are still very very very interested in them.

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Date: 12/02/2021 12:03:13
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1694292
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

In the future we’ll simply swap out our dying star for a newer, similar star with similar frequencies.

Ideally you need same size , same type of light output

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Date: 12/02/2021 12:22:08
From: Cymek
ID: 1694302
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

wookiemeister said:


In the future we’ll simply swap out our dying star for a newer, similar star with similar frequencies.

Ideally you need same size , same type of light output

I’ve seen that mentioned, I wonder how long it would take to do it
Perhaps it would be far easier to just move elsewhere and terraform a planet, mind you humans would unlikely to be flesh and blood anymore or even exist for likely

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Date: 12/02/2021 17:50:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1694647
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

dv said:


mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

Well it is a bit. It will be interesting to track this.

When you think of it, 100+ stars out of the 1.04 billion stars in the USNO catalogue is a negligible percentage.

Right, and black holes make up a negligible percentage of stars in the galaxy but we are still very very very interested in them.

No.

Black holes do not make up a negligible percentage of stars in the galaxy.
100 stars is 10^-5%

For each 1 billion stars, a quick look at the initial stellar mass function suggests that the number of stellar mass black holes could be as large as 1% and is probably of order 0.1%, ie. 10,000 to 100,000 times as common as vanishing stars.

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Date: 12/02/2021 23:00:58
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1694753
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

Cymek said:


wookiemeister said:

In the future we’ll simply swap out our dying star for a newer, similar star with similar frequencies.

Ideally you need same size , same type of light output

I’ve seen that mentioned, I wonder how long it would take to do it
Perhaps it would be far easier to just move elsewhere and terraform a planet, mind you humans would unlikely to be flesh and blood anymore or even exist for likely


The old sun will be moved faster than an eye blink and replaced with another sun

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Date: 12/02/2021 23:02:11
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1694755
Subject: re: 100 Stars Have Astonishingly Disappeared, Baffling Researchers

wookiemeister said:


Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

In the future we’ll simply swap out our dying star for a newer, similar star with similar frequencies.

Ideally you need same size , same type of light output

I’ve seen that mentioned, I wonder how long it would take to do it
Perhaps it would be far easier to just move elsewhere and terraform a planet, mind you humans would unlikely to be flesh and blood anymore or even exist for likely


The old sun will be moved faster than an eye blink and replaced with another sun


In these times humans will live for tens of thousands of years

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