We need a new one.

I reckon the rules must not apply in this town. Next door has a visitor. Two doors down have gone out. Next door went out yesterday. A few doors down in the other direction there are 4 more cars than live there.

buffy said:

We need a new one.

I reckon the rules must not apply in this town. Next door has a visitor. Two doors down have gone out. Next door went out yesterday. A few doors down in the other direction there are 4 more cars than live there.

And Victorians can’t work out why they keep getting these lockdowns…

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

We need a new one.

I reckon the rules must not apply in this town. Next door has a visitor. Two doors down have gone out. Next door went out yesterday. A few doors down in the other direction there are 4 more cars than live there.

And Victorians can’t work out why they keep getting these lockdowns…

Admittedly it would be pretty difficult to catch it off anyone here. There hasn’t been a positive test since March last year.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

We need a new one.

I reckon the rules must not apply in this town. Next door has a visitor. Two doors down have gone out. Next door went out yesterday. A few doors down in the other direction there are 4 more cars than live there.

And Victorians can’t work out why they keep getting these lockdowns…

Admittedly it would be pretty difficult to catch it off anyone here. There hasn’t been a positive test since March last year.

FNQ is fairly safe too.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

And Victorians can’t work out why they keep getting these lockdowns…

Admittedly it would be pretty difficult to catch it off anyone here. There hasn’t been a positive test since March last year.

FNQ is fairly safe too.

We had an influx of Melbourne people over the school holidays (The Grampians is popular) and still nothing happened. We’ve presently got shearers in the camping area over the road from us. I am assuming they will be working tomorrow because once you start shearing you don’t stop.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

And Victorians can’t work out why they keep getting these lockdowns…

Admittedly it would be pretty difficult to catch it off anyone here. There hasn’t been a positive test since March last year.

FNQ is fairly safe too.

Crocks………too many crocks……….in FNQ.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Admittedly it would be pretty difficult to catch it off anyone here. There hasn’t been a positive test since March last year.

FNQ is fairly safe too.

Crocks………too many crocks……….in FNQ.

I live at about 850m altitude. Crocks don’t like the long walk uphill.

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

It makes people reluctant to cross borders.

Would love to visit family in NSW, but all it takes is a cough from someone somewhere down there and KA-LANG! border shuts and we’re stuck there for a month or more.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Tasmania is a popular tourist spot and travellers from designated low-risk areas (most of Australia) face only cursory screening (question check list), no quarantine etc.

So we’re just as vulnerable as the rest of the nation, really.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Tasmania is a popular tourist spot and travellers from designated low-risk areas (most of Australia) face only cursory screening (question check list), no quarantine etc.

So we’re just as vulnerable as the rest of the nation, really.

What sort of tourist “load” have you really got at the moment though? The Great Ocean Road here is resorting to advertising to get the locals moving about…they are really missing the tourists. None of the Asian tourists are here. Wouldn’t that be a big part of Tassie tourism too?

And I know that Tasmanians aren’t going mainland for visits etc anywhere near as much as they used to. I’d say your risks are really quite low.

buffy said:

We need a new one.

I reckon the rules must not apply in this town. Next door has a visitor. Two doors down have gone out. Next door went out yesterday. A few doors down in the other direction there are 4 more cars than live there.

I haven’t been checking, but isn’t it just a 5 km lockdown? No trips further than 5 km.

The neighbours could all be following the rules.

> And Victorians can’t work out why they keep getting these lockdowns…

I’ve stayed at the airport Holiday Inn.

I know exactly why it’s a suitable focal point for a Covid outbreak.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Tasmania is a popular tourist spot and travellers from designated low-risk areas (most of Australia) face only cursory screening (question check list), no quarantine etc.

So we’re just as vulnerable as the rest of the nation, really.

What sort of tourist “load” have you really got at the moment though? The Great Ocean Road here is resorting to advertising to get the locals moving about…they are really missing the tourists. None of the Asian tourists are here. Wouldn’t that be a big part of Tassie tourism too?

And I know that Tasmanians aren’t going mainland for visits etc anywhere near as much as they used to. I’d say your risks are really quite low.

Numbers are down but there were still quite a few mainlanders this summer. Risk may be low but it can still all change dramatically enough to warrant more lock-downs.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Heidi has a few mainlanders going through the B&B. she has a 24 hour downtime between guests.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Tasmania is a popular tourist spot and travellers from designated low-risk areas (most of Australia) face only cursory screening (question check list), no quarantine etc.

So we’re just as vulnerable as the rest of the nation, really.

Being over 1600km from the NSW border & flights very limited the number of tourists here is almost non-existent.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

We need a new one.

I reckon the rules must not apply in this town. Next door has a visitor. Two doors down have gone out. Next door went out yesterday. A few doors down in the other direction there are 4 more cars than live there.

I haven’t been checking, but isn’t it just a 5 km lockdown? No trips further than 5 km.

The neighbours could all be following the rules.

Nearest next town is 30km. Next door’s visitor lives 30km away. I think I know where 2 doors down is likely to be – at her parents place…more than 5km out of town. The place with the 4 extra cars (a friend of ours) has no in town people who could be responsible for the extra cars. Next door has just gone out, but I think that is probably H taking his mother’s car to go to work in Hamilton. He works at KFC or Maccas or something. I did notice they are taking the back road and not the highway the last couple of days though, so….

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Heidi has a few mainlanders going through the B&B. she has a 24 hour downtime between guests.

My niece and hubby are down there holidaying again now, home in Qld tomorrow I think.

And I’m not actively spying. In a small town you tend to know the cars, wave to the people, know who is about. I have been cutting grass outside the front fence this morning, so a bit aware of the traffic so I didn’t walk in front of a car. (No, I didn’t have a mask on. I was puffing and sweating too much. And I was the only person in the street)

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Heidi has a few mainlanders going through the B&B. she has a 24 hour downtime between guests.

My niece and hubby are down there holidaying again now, home in Qld tomorrow I think.

Going through Melbourne airport?

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

But probably not by locals moving around. You need to introduce the bug to the system for it to change.

Tasmania is a popular tourist spot and travellers from designated low-risk areas (most of Australia) face only cursory screening (question check list), no quarantine etc.

So we’re just as vulnerable as the rest of the nation, really.

Being over 1600km from the NSW border & flights very limited the number of tourists here is almost non-existent.

Yes you’re a lot more remote from these goings-on than we are here on the island.

This village might seem “middle of nowhere” but we’re a major stop on the midland highway, normally lots of people passing through in the holiday season, pausing for meals etc. Caravan park can get quite crowded too.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

Heidi has a few mainlanders going through the B&B. she has a 24 hour downtime between guests.

My niece and hubby are down there holidaying again now, home in Qld tomorrow I think.

Going through Melbourne airport?

I think they flew direct to Launceston a couple of weeks ago, so probably coming home the same way.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

My niece and hubby are down there holidaying again now, home in Qld tomorrow I think.

Going through Melbourne airport?

I think they flew direct to Launceston a couple of weeks ago, so probably coming home the same way.

Heard about someone who changed flights so they could go Hobart Brisbane thus avoiding the plague State.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania is a popular tourist spot and travellers from designated low-risk areas (most of Australia) face only cursory screening (question check list), no quarantine etc.

So we’re just as vulnerable as the rest of the nation, really.

Being over 1600km from the NSW border & flights very limited the number of tourists here is almost non-existent.

Yes you’re a lot more remote from these goings-on than we are here on the island.

This village might seem “middle of nowhere” but we’re a major stop on the midland highway, normally lots of people passing through in the holiday season, pausing for meals etc. Caravan park can get quite crowded too.

I’m in the middle of nowhere.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

We need a new one.

I reckon the rules must not apply in this town. Next door has a visitor. Two doors down have gone out. Next door went out yesterday. A few doors down in the other direction there are 4 more cars than live there.

I haven’t been checking, but isn’t it just a 5 km lockdown? No trips further than 5 km.

The neighbours could all be following the rules.

Nearest next town is 30km. Next door’s visitor lives 30km away. I think I know where 2 doors down is likely to be – at her parents place…more than 5km out of town. The place with the 4 extra cars (a friend of ours) has no in town people who could be responsible for the extra cars. Next door has just gone out, but I think that is probably H taking his mother’s car to go to work in Hamilton. He works at KFC or Maccas or something. I did notice they are taking the back road and not the highway the last couple of days though, so….

OK.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

I haven’t been checking, but isn’t it just a 5 km lockdown? No trips further than 5 km.

The neighbours could all be following the rules.

Nearest next town is 30km. Next door’s visitor lives 30km away. I think I know where 2 doors down is likely to be – at her parents place…more than 5km out of town. The place with the 4 extra cars (a friend of ours) has no in town people who could be responsible for the extra cars. Next door has just gone out, but I think that is probably H taking his mother’s car to go to work in Hamilton. He works at KFC or Maccas or something. I did notice they are taking the back road and not the highway the last couple of days though, so….

OK.

And you’re not supposed to be visiting anyone except if you are a carer.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania’s been very low-risk for ages but as with other seemingly safe places, that could all change overnight.

It makes people reluctant to cross borders.

Would love to visit family in NSW, but all it takes is a cough from someone somewhere down there and KA-LANG! border shuts and we’re stuck there for a month or more.

Kalang is 810 Km northwest of Brisbane. You should be able to whip in and out of NSW with no worries.

Only 2 Covid deaths in Australia since 29 Oct, 2020.
One on 30 Nov, and one on 28 Dec.

mollwollfumble said:

Only 2 Covid deaths in Australia since 29 Oct, 2020.
One on 30 Nov, and one on 28 Dec.

Praise the Lord.

First Pfizer vaccines arrive in Australia next week.

Divine Angel said:

First Pfizer vaccines arrive in Australia next week.

Knock ‘em over and sell it on the black market.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tasmania is a popular tourist spot and travellers from designated low-risk areas (most of Australia) face only cursory screening (question check list), no quarantine etc.

So we’re just as vulnerable as the rest of the nation, really.

Being over 1600km from the NSW border & flights very limited the number of tourists here is almost non-existent.

Yes you’re a lot more remote from these goings-on than we are here on the island.

This village might seem “middle of nowhere” but we’re a major stop on the midland highway, normally lots of people passing through in the holiday season, pausing for meals etc. Caravan park can get quite crowded too.

PS…possibly another reason for Tassie being safer is that there are no international flights into Hobart and hasn’t been for many years. So anyone coming in from overseas has to quarantine somewhere on the mainland before they can catch a flight to Hobart. So Tassie is not doing Hotel Quarantine work anyway.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Being over 1600km from the NSW border & flights very limited the number of tourists here is almost non-existent.

Yes you’re a lot more remote from these goings-on than we are here on the island.

This village might seem “middle of nowhere” but we’re a major stop on the midland highway, normally lots of people passing through in the holiday season, pausing for meals etc. Caravan park can get quite crowded too.

PS…possibly another reason for Tassie being safer is that there are no international flights into Hobart and hasn’t been for many years. So anyone coming in from overseas has to quarantine somewhere on the mainland before they can catch a flight to Hobart. So Tassie is not doing Hotel Quarantine work anyway.

Good point.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Being over 1600km from the NSW border & flights very limited the number of tourists here is almost non-existent.

Yes you’re a lot more remote from these goings-on than we are here on the island.

This village might seem “middle of nowhere” but we’re a major stop on the midland highway, normally lots of people passing through in the holiday season, pausing for meals etc. Caravan park can get quite crowded too.

PS…possibly another reason for Tassie being safer is that there are no international flights into Hobart and hasn’t been for many years. So anyone coming in from overseas has to quarantine somewhere on the mainland before they can catch a flight to Hobart. So Tassie is not doing Hotel Quarantine work anyway.

Which is why we get to laugh at the Hobart International Airport signs.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes you’re a lot more remote from these goings-on than we are here on the island.

This village might seem “middle of nowhere” but we’re a major stop on the midland highway, normally lots of people passing through in the holiday season, pausing for meals etc. Caravan park can get quite crowded too.

PS…possibly another reason for Tassie being safer is that there are no international flights into Hobart and hasn’t been for many years. So anyone coming in from overseas has to quarantine somewhere on the mainland before they can catch a flight to Hobart. So Tassie is not doing Hotel Quarantine work anyway.

Which is why we get to laugh at the Hobart International Airport signs.

Silver linings.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes you’re a lot more remote from these goings-on than we are here on the island.

This village might seem “middle of nowhere” but we’re a major stop on the midland highway, normally lots of people passing through in the holiday season, pausing for meals etc. Caravan park can get quite crowded too.

PS…possibly another reason for Tassie being safer is that there are no international flights into Hobart and hasn’t been for many years. So anyone coming in from overseas has to quarantine somewhere on the mainland before they can catch a flight to Hobart. So Tassie is not doing Hotel Quarantine work anyway.

Which is why we get to laugh at the Hobart International Airport signs.

Well, Antarctica is international. But not a COVID-19 hotspot. And there aren’t all that many flights.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

PS…possibly another reason for Tassie being safer is that there are no international flights into Hobart and hasn’t been for many years. So anyone coming in from overseas has to quarantine somewhere on the mainland before they can catch a flight to Hobart. So Tassie is not doing Hotel Quarantine work anyway.

Which is why we get to laugh at the Hobart International Airport signs.

Well, Antarctica is international. But not a COVID-19 hotspot. And there aren’t all that many flights.

and there are out-buildings.

Are there any plant-eating snakes?

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

PS…possibly another reason for Tassie being safer is that there are no international flights into Hobart and hasn’t been for many years. So anyone coming in from overseas has to quarantine somewhere on the mainland before they can catch a flight to Hobart. So Tassie is not doing Hotel Quarantine work anyway.

Which is why we get to laugh at the Hobart International Airport signs.

Well, Antarctica is international. But not a COVID-19 hotspot. And there aren’t all that many flights.

When I was doing Salamanca markets back in the 90s there were direct flights from Singapore a few times each week. And for a short time there were direct flights from NZ.

party_pants said:

Are there any plant-eating snakes?

There are plant eating lizards but to my knowledge there has been no recorded sightings of snakes eating plants.

party_pants said:

Are there any plant-eating snakes?

At least you’re not alone in your search

party_pants said:

Are there any plant-eating snakes?

wrong thread sorryness….

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

Are there any plant-eating snakes?

wrong thread sorryness….

Well in the Chinese astrology, I’m a snake.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

Are there any plant-eating snakes?

wrong thread sorryness….

Well in the Chinese astrology, I’m a snake.

Pshaw. I’m a dragon. No plants for me (except chips)

party_pants said:

Are there any plant-eating snakes?

No. They are all obligate carnivores.

Fury at ‘do not resuscitate’ notices given to Covid patients with learning disabilities

DNACPRs are usually made for people who are too frail to benefit from CPR, but Mencap said some seem to have been issued for people simply because they had a learning disability.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

sarahs mum said:

Fury at ‘do not resuscitate’ notices given to Covid patients with learning disabilities

DNACPRs are usually made for people who are too frail to benefit from CPR, but Mencap said some seem to have been issued for people simply because they had a learning disability.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

There is a great deal about the current socio-political situation in the UK that puts much importance on some lives at the expense of others.

sarahs mum said:

Fury at ‘do not resuscitate’ notices given to Covid patients with learning disabilities

DNACPRs are usually made for people who are too frail to benefit from CPR, but Mencap said some seem to have been issued for people simply because they had a learning disability.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

I had a child who was severely physically and mentally retarded.

There is nothing in this world more soul-destroying.

mollwollfumble said:

sarahs mum said:

Fury at ‘do not resuscitate’ notices given to Covid patients with learning disabilities

DNACPRs are usually made for people who are too frail to benefit from CPR, but Mencap said some seem to have been issued for people simply because they had a learning disability.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

I had a child who was severely physically and mentally retarded.

There is nothing in this world more soul-destroying.

I feel for you. But ‘severely physically and mentally retarded’ does not equal ‘learning disability.’

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

sarahs mum said:

Fury at ‘do not resuscitate’ notices given to Covid patients with learning disabilities

DNACPRs are usually made for people who are too frail to benefit from CPR, but Mencap said some seem to have been issued for people simply because they had a learning disability.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

I had a child who was severely physically and mentally retarded.

There is nothing in this world more soul-destroying.

I feel for you. But ‘severely physically and mentally retarded’ does not equal ‘learning disability.’

I doubt it’s eugenics for dyslexics…

sarahs mum said:

I feel for you. But ‘severely physically and mentally retarded’ does not equal ‘learning disability.’

I have a learning disability.

It would make itself apparent every time someone tried to teach me something that i thought was a load of useless, worthless, management-fad, buzzword-based bullshit.

I’d find my learning capabilities utterly disabled, and would have to focus on restraining my urge to wreak violence upon them.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I feel for you. But ‘severely physically and mentally retarded’ does not equal ‘learning disability.’

I have a learning disability.

It would make itself apparent every time someone tried to teach me something that i thought was a load of useless, worthless, management-fad, buzzword-based bullshit.

I’d find my learning capabilities utterly disabled, and would have to focus on restraining my urge to wreak violence upon them.

I fear I might share this disability.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I feel for you. But ‘severely physically and mentally retarded’ does not equal ‘learning disability.’

I have a learning disability.

It would make itself apparent every time someone tried to teach me something that i thought was a load of useless, worthless, management-fad, buzzword-based bullshit.

I’d find my learning capabilities utterly disabled, and would have to focus on restraining my urge to wreak violence upon them.

That is making light of real learning difficulties I reckon.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I feel for you. But ‘severely physically and mentally retarded’ does not equal ‘learning disability.’

I have a learning disability.

It would make itself apparent every time someone tried to teach me something that i thought was a load of useless, worthless, management-fad, buzzword-based bullshit.

I’d find my learning capabilities utterly disabled, and would have to focus on restraining my urge to wreak violence upon them.

That is making light of real learning difficulties I reckon.

I am chastised.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

I feel for you. But ‘severely physically and mentally retarded’ does not equal ‘learning disability.’

I have a learning disability.

It would make itself apparent every time someone tried to teach me something that i thought was a load of useless, worthless, management-fad, buzzword-based bullshit.

I’d find my learning capabilities utterly disabled, and would have to focus on restraining my urge to wreak violence upon them.

That is making light of real learning difficulties I reckon.

yes.

JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

I have a learning disability.

It would make itself apparent every time someone tried to teach me something that i thought was a load of useless, worthless, management-fad, buzzword-based bullshit.

I’d find my learning capabilities utterly disabled, and would have to focus on restraining my urge to wreak violence upon them.

That is making light of real learning difficulties I reckon.

yes.

It has excluded me from some high-paying and prestigious government agency positions, that I cannot grok the relentless wank-fest of gobbledegook they use to not communicate moronic inanities. I can’t even read the position descriptions without suffering cerebral discontinuity and losing the will to live.

so are we allowed to call them true Scotsmen or does it have to be persons from the Scottish geographic region

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/interview-with-virologist-christian-drosten-i-am-quite-apprehensive-about-what-might-otherwise-happen-in-spring-and-summer-a-f22c0495-5257-426e-bddc-c6082d6434d5

Witty Rejoinder said:

Vaccine efficacy
When covid-19 vaccines meet the new variants of the virus
A lot depends on blocking transmission not just disease

By February 1st he was seeing the number of hospitalisations dropping significantly among the over-60s—a cohort in which the number vaccinated had reached 70%, seen as a crucial level, three weeks before.

And then there is the further complication of the new variants. Vaccines seem to have no particular problem with b.1.1.7. It just complicates things by running through the unimmunised parts of the population that bit faster. b.1.351, which has now been found in more than 30 countries, is of greater concern. At least three vaccines—those from Oxford/AstraZeneca, J&J and Novavax—have been found to be less effective at stopping it from causing disease than they are against variants elsewhere. There is increasing evidence that P.1, now also reported in a number of countries beyond Brazil, also appears to be better at avoiding immunity created by prior infection and by some vaccines.

Countries that have already vaccinated a lot of people could be brought back to square one by the spread of such variants. Britain, where 13m people had been vaccinated as of February 10th, and millions more have been infected and thus have some immunity (British studies have found reinfection very rare for at least five months), is trying hard to keep b.1.351 from making inroads in the population. Health authorities are mass-testing neighbourhoods where cases of b.1.351 have been spotted and are doing particularly meticulous contact tracing when a case is found. Border controls have been tightened.

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/02/13/when-covid-19-vaccines-meet-the-new-variants-of-the-virus?

nice, especially this bit

By February 1st he was seeing the number of hospitalisations dropping significantly among the over-60s

you all thought this was because They Were Saved but actually maybe we(1,1,1) should consider that once unimmunised young people overwhelm health system resources, it’s just the slightest bit maybe a tad possible that they start to decline admission of over-60s

dv said:

These damned infectious mystery memes are now infecting other threads.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

These damned infectious mystery memes are now infecting other threads.

Keep the filters turned on and the posts appear blank.

Let Them Rip

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/guinea-declares-new-ebola-pandemic-after-three-deaths/13154432

Guinea has declared a new Ebola outbreak, the first resurgence of the disease there since the world’s worst outbreak in 2013-2016.

The declaration follows at least three people in the nation’s south-east dying and another four people falling ill.

It was not clear if a person buried on February 1 also died of Ebola. She was a nurse at a local health centre who died from an unspecified illness after being transferred for treatment to Nzerekore, a city near the border with Liberia and Ivory Coast.

Authorities have also asked the World Health Organization (WHO) for Ebola vaccines, it said. The new vaccines have greatly improved survival rates in recent years.

But on Sunday, DRC reported a fourth new case of Ebola in North Kivu province where a resurgence of the virus was announced earlier this month.

SCIENCE said:

Let Them Rip

By that do you mean, don’t dig them up?

Thought some of us might be interested to see what is required to put a Covid control point on a road, by way of helping us understand why all of Vic had to go into lockdown:

This is the traffic control required for traffic in one direction:

This is the minimum equipment required for a free-standing site (that is, no mains power and poor mobile phone coverage):

1,000L fuel tank
50KVA generator
2 Lighting towers
Sat-4G repeater
Toilet
Small marquee break area
Small marquee meals area

This site doesn’t have any heating or cooling.

The police who staff the site also need everything a person needs to keep them alive, healthy, safe and comfortable.

Every road coming out of Melbourne would need most of this set-up immediately, for five days.

Rule 303 said:

Thought some of us might be interested to see what is required to put a Covid control point on a road, by way of helping us understand why all of Vic had to go into lockdown:

This is the traffic control required for traffic in one direction:

This is the minimum equipment required for a free-standing site (that is, no mains power and poor mobile phone coverage):

1,000L fuel tank
50KVA generator
2 Lighting towers
Sat-4G repeater
Toilet
Small marquee break area
Small marquee meals area

This site doesn’t have any heating or cooling.

The police who staff the site also need everything a person needs to keep them alive, healthy, safe and comfortable.

Every road coming out of Melbourne would need most of this set-up immediately, for five days.

They should have had enough practice by now ;)

poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

Thought some of us might be interested to see what is required to put a Covid control point on a road, by way of helping us understand why all of Vic had to go into lockdown:

This is the traffic control required for traffic in one direction:

This is the minimum equipment required for a free-standing site (that is, no mains power and poor mobile phone coverage):

1,000L fuel tank
50KVA generator
2 Lighting towers
Sat-4G repeater
Toilet
Small marquee break area
Small marquee meals area

This site doesn’t have any heating or cooling.

The police who staff the site also need everything a person needs to keep them alive, healthy, safe and comfortable.

Every road coming out of Melbourne would need most of this set-up immediately, for five days.

They should have had enough practice by now ;)

We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

;-)

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

Rule 303 said:

Thought some of us might be interested to see what is required to put a Covid control point on a road, by way of helping us understand why all of Vic had to go into lockdown:

This is the traffic control required for traffic in one direction:

This is the minimum equipment required for a free-standing site (that is, no mains power and poor mobile phone coverage):

1,000L fuel tank
50KVA generator
2 Lighting towers
Sat-4G repeater
Toilet
Small marquee break area
Small marquee meals area

This site doesn’t have any heating or cooling.

The police who staff the site also need everything a person needs to keep them alive, healthy, safe and comfortable.

Every road coming out of Melbourne would need most of this set-up immediately, for five days.

They should have had enough practice by now ;)

We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

;-)

Or you could use your numberplate recognition gear (in most Police cars, I understand) and have those guys on patrol. Doing random checks. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, in country areas, the local cops know the local cars and could easily target any “foreigners”. If the point is to stop people leaving Melbourne.

Seems simpler to me.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

poikilotherm said:

They should have had enough practice by now ;)

We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

;-)

Or you could use your numberplate recognition gear (in most Police cars, I understand) and have those guys on patrol. Doing random checks. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, in country areas, the local cops know the local cars and could easily target any “foreigners”. If the point is to stop people leaving Melbourne.

Seems simpler to me.

That would be good for enforcement, but I don’t see how it would control the spread of the virus.

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

;-)

Or you could use your numberplate recognition gear (in most Police cars, I understand) and have those guys on patrol. Doing random checks. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, in country areas, the local cops know the local cars and could easily target any “foreigners”. If the point is to stop people leaving Melbourne.

Seems simpler to me.

That would be good for enforcement, but I don’t see how it would control the spread of the virus.

By means of enforcement. As accommodation places cannot take new bookings, and people from Melbourne are not allowed to leave, who exactly is going to be travelling. It’s not school holidays. Most people have just had their holidays (which raises another problem, a lot of people have just lost 3 days pay, budgeting may be difficult).

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Or you could use your numberplate recognition gear (in most Police cars, I understand) and have those guys on patrol. Doing random checks. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, in country areas, the local cops know the local cars and could easily target any “foreigners”. If the point is to stop people leaving Melbourne.

Seems simpler to me.

That would be good for enforcement, but I don’t see how it would control the spread of the virus.

By means of enforcement. As accommodation places cannot take new bookings, and people from Melbourne are not allowed to leave, who exactly is going to be travelling. It’s not school holidays. Most people have just had their holidays (which raises another problem, a lot of people have just lost 3 days pay, budgeting may be difficult).

Risk control relies on multiple levels of control co-existing simultaneously.

I’d like to think they did everything they could, and considered every option, before settling on the current arrangements.

That said, for the measures to work they need strong public support, and the public sympathy does seem to be on the side of heavy-handedness in the short term. Also, equivocation in the messaging has hurt us badly in the past, and this strategy has the advantage of being very easy to communicate.

I’ve been thinking about transmission routes. So I had a bit of a look at the literature. There is quite a bit about SARS and MERS.

(who knew the reservoir for MERS was dromedary camels from Oman and the Canary Islands, also Qatar and Saudi Arabia. And there is serological evidence for the Middle East, Eastern Africa and Northern Africa for camel circulation as far back as 1983. But that’s just an interesting aside)

>>Human-to-human transmission of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV occurs mainly through nosocomial transmission; 43.5–100% of MERS cases in individual outbreaks were linked to hospitals, and very similar observations were made for some of the SARS clusters. Transmission between family members occurred in only 13–21% of MERS cases and 22–39% of SARS cases. Transmission of MERS-CoV between patients was the most common route of infection (62–79% of cases), whereas for SARS-CoV, infection of health care workers by infected patients was very frequent (33–42%). The predominance of nosocomial transmission is probably due to the fact that substantial virus shedding occurs only after the onset of symptoms, when most patients are already seeking medical care. An analysis of hospital surfaces after the treatment of patients with MERS showed the ubiquitous presence of viral RNA in the environment for several days after patients no longer tested positive. Moreover, many patients with SARS or MERS were infected through super spreaders<<

REF: https://scihub.wikicn.top/10.1038/nrmicro.2016.81

I have been under the impression for many years that most transmission of colds and flus was from surfaces. I have been interested in the emphasis on airborne during the current pandemic. I’m now wondering if the hotel quarantine problems simply mean people are touching surfaces, picking up virus and self inoculating their mucosal surfaces. Despite the PPE. Same for in home transmission for an asymptomatic person…touch the kitchen bench. Someone else comes along and picks up the virus and touches their mouth or nose. Touching skin will not inoculate you. It has to go onto a mucous membrane.

Those figures above for SARS in that paper might also go some way to explaining why not all members of a family pick it up.

Oh my goodness…this sounds familiar…

>>Comorbidities have an important role in both SARS and MERS. Several risk factors are associated with poor disease outcome, especially advanced age and male sex. For MERS, additional risk factors for a poor outcome include diabetes mellitus, hypertension, cancer, renal and lung disease, and co-infections.<<

Same ref.

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

Were they still cold?

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

You can smell the autism from here…

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

Were they still cold?

Yes, but they will be tested for quality and assurance that the strict temperatures were adhered to.

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

You can smell the autism from here…

I looked for the 5G nanochips in the bottle in the pic but then realised duh, they’re nano and invisible to the naked eye. Silly me.

I should be reasonably high priority, being fat and quite old.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

You can smell the autism from here…

I looked for the 5G nanochips in the bottle in the pic but then realised duh, they’re nano and invisible to the naked eye. Silly me.

shakes head.

IT’S HERE….IT’S HERE

Praise the Lord.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

You can smell the autism from here…

I looked for the 5G nanochips in the bottle in the pic but then realised duh, they’re nano and invisible to the naked eye. Silly me.

LOLs

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

Were they still cold?

Frosty, and just the right amount of head on them.

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

The first vaccines have arrived.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726

You can smell the autism from here…

Dear oh dear.

And I’m reading more science. This one is Very Interesting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698891/

“Infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and Other Coronaviruses on Dry Surfaces: Potential for Indirect Transmission”

It is a Materials journal. Peer reviewed. etc etc. From the Abstract:

>>The unwavering spread of COVID-19 has taken the world by storm. Preventive measures like social distancing and mask usage have been taken all around the globe but still, as of September 2020, the number of cases continues to rise in many countries. Evidently, these measures are insufficient. Although decreases in population density and surges in the public’s usage of personal protective equipment can mitigate direct transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), indirect transmission of the virus is still probable. By summarizing the current state of knowledge on the stability of coronaviruses on dry materials, this review uncovers the high potential for SARS-CoV-2 transmission through contaminated surfaces (i.e., fomites) and prompts future research. Fully contextualized data on coronavirus persistence are presented…….To summarize, SARS-CoV-2 remains viable on the timescale of days on hard surfaces under ambient indoor conditions. Similarly, the virus is stable on human skin, signifying the necessity of hand hygiene amidst the current pandemic. There is an inverse relationship between SARS-CoV-2 surface persistence and temperature/humidity, and the virus is well suited to air-conditioned environments (room temperature, ~ 40% relative humidity). Sunlight may rapidly inactivate the virus, suggesting that indirect transmission predominantly occurs indoors. <<

The whole paper is actually quite easy to read.

buffy said:

And I’m reading more science. This one is Very Interesting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698891/

“Infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and Other Coronaviruses on Dry Surfaces: Potential for Indirect Transmission”

It is a Materials journal. Peer reviewed. etc etc. From the Abstract:

>>The unwavering spread of COVID-19 has taken the world by storm. Preventive measures like social distancing and mask usage have been taken all around the globe but still, as of September 2020, the number of cases continues to rise in many countries. Evidently, these measures are insufficient. Although decreases in population density and surges in the public’s usage of personal protective equipment can mitigate direct transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), indirect transmission of the virus is still probable. By summarizing the current state of knowledge on the stability of coronaviruses on dry materials, this review uncovers the high potential for SARS-CoV-2 transmission through contaminated surfaces (i.e., fomites) and prompts future research. Fully contextualized data on coronavirus persistence are presented…….To summarize, SARS-CoV-2 remains viable on the timescale of days on hard surfaces under ambient indoor conditions. Similarly, the virus is stable on human skin, signifying the necessity of hand hygiene amidst the current pandemic. There is an inverse relationship between SARS-CoV-2 surface persistence and temperature/humidity, and the virus is well suited to air-conditioned environments (room temperature, ~ 40% relative humidity). Sunlight may rapidly inactivate the virus, suggesting that indirect transmission predominantly occurs indoors. <<

The whole paper is actually quite easy to read.

we thought the geniuses were telling us all the disinfectant and hand washing and wipe downs was useless

SCIENCE said:

we thought the geniuses were telling us all the disinfectant and hand washing and wipe downs was useless

No, that wasthe goggles.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

And I’m reading more science. This one is Very Interesting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698891/

“Infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and Other Coronaviruses on Dry Surfaces: Potential for Indirect Transmission”

It is a Materials journal. Peer reviewed. etc etc. From the Abstract:

>>The unwavering spread of COVID-19 has taken the world by storm. Preventive measures like social distancing and mask usage have been taken all around the globe but still, as of September 2020, the number of cases continues to rise in many countries. Evidently, these measures are insufficient. Although decreases in population density and surges in the public’s usage of personal protective equipment can mitigate direct transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), indirect transmission of the virus is still probable. By summarizing the current state of knowledge on the stability of coronaviruses on dry materials, this review uncovers the high potential for SARS-CoV-2 transmission through contaminated surfaces (i.e., fomites) and prompts future research. Fully contextualized data on coronavirus persistence are presented…….To summarize, SARS-CoV-2 remains viable on the timescale of days on hard surfaces under ambient indoor conditions. Similarly, the virus is stable on human skin, signifying the necessity of hand hygiene amidst the current pandemic. There is an inverse relationship between SARS-CoV-2 surface persistence and temperature/humidity, and the virus is well suited to air-conditioned environments (room temperature, ~ 40% relative humidity). Sunlight may rapidly inactivate the virus, suggesting that indirect transmission predominantly occurs indoors. <<

The whole paper is actually quite easy to read.

we thought the geniuses were telling us all the disinfectant and hand washing and wipe downs was useless

It’s a recent paper.

And I got there from here:

“Routes of influenza transmission”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5909391/

Another one that is easy to read. It’s ‘flu, but virus transmission is pretty much the same for most respiratory tract viruses really.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

And I’m reading more science. This one is Very Interesting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698891/

“Infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and Other Coronaviruses on Dry Surfaces: Potential for Indirect Transmission”

It is a Materials journal. Peer reviewed. etc etc. From the Abstract:

>>The unwavering spread of COVID-19 has taken the world by storm. Preventive measures like social distancing and mask usage have been taken all around the globe but still, as of September 2020, the number of cases continues to rise in many countries. Evidently, these measures are insufficient. Although decreases in population density and surges in the public’s usage of personal protective equipment can mitigate direct transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), indirect transmission of the virus is still probable. By summarizing the current state of knowledge on the stability of coronaviruses on dry materials, this review uncovers the high potential for SARS-CoV-2 transmission through contaminated surfaces (i.e., fomites) and prompts future research. Fully contextualized data on coronavirus persistence are presented…….To summarize, SARS-CoV-2 remains viable on the timescale of days on hard surfaces under ambient indoor conditions. Similarly, the virus is stable on human skin, signifying the necessity of hand hygiene amidst the current pandemic. There is an inverse relationship between SARS-CoV-2 surface persistence and temperature/humidity, and the virus is well suited to air-conditioned environments (room temperature, ~ 40% relative humidity). Sunlight may rapidly inactivate the virus, suggesting that indirect transmission predominantly occurs indoors. <<

The whole paper is actually quite easy to read.

we thought the geniuses were telling us all the disinfectant and hand washing and wipe downs was useless

Which geniuses?

Bubblecar said:

I should be reasonably high priority, being fat and quite old.

I think you will find yourself lower on the list than you might think.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

And I’m reading more science. This one is Very Interesting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698891/

“Infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and Other Coronaviruses on Dry Surfaces: Potential for Indirect Transmission”

The whole paper is actually quite easy to read.

we thought the geniuses were telling us all the disinfectant and hand washing and wipe downs was useless

Which geniuses?

not just very stable geniuses ¿

Here’s a recent example but we can’t remember the whole read…

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/hygiene-theater-still-waste/617939/

Peak Warming Man said:

IT’S HERE….IT’S HERE

Praise the Lord.

What? The Rapture?

buffy said:

And I’m reading more science. This one is Very Interesting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698891/

“Infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and Other Coronaviruses on Dry Surfaces: Potential for Indirect Transmission”

It is a Materials journal. Peer reviewed. etc etc. From the Abstract:

>>The unwavering spread of COVID-19 has taken the world by storm. Preventive measures like social distancing and mask usage have been taken all around the globe but still, as of September 2020, the number of cases continues to rise in many countries. Evidently, these measures are insufficient. Although decreases in population density and surges in the public’s usage of personal protective equipment can mitigate direct transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), indirect transmission of the virus is still probable. By summarizing the current state of knowledge on the stability of coronaviruses on dry materials, this review uncovers the high potential for SARS-CoV-2 transmission through contaminated surfaces (i.e., fomites) and prompts future research. Fully contextualized data on coronavirus persistence are presented…….To summarize, SARS-CoV-2 remains viable on the timescale of days on hard surfaces under ambient indoor conditions. Similarly, the virus is stable on human skin, signifying the necessity of hand hygiene amidst the current pandemic. There is an inverse relationship between SARS-CoV-2 surface persistence and temperature/humidity, and the virus is well suited to air-conditioned environments (room temperature, ~ 40% relative humidity). Sunlight may rapidly inactivate the virus, suggesting that indirect transmission predominantly occurs indoors. <<

The whole paper is actually quite easy to read.

Interesting…

Thank you!

From ABC Melbourne:

#BREAKING The first batch of COVID-19 vaccines has arrived in Australia.
A plane carrying a container of 142-thousand doses touched down in Sydney earlier today.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

IT’S HERE….IT’S HERE

Praise the Lord.

What? The Rapture?

Left behind and an eternity in the forum. The horror, the horror…

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I should be reasonably high priority, being fat and quite old.

I think you will find yourself lower on the list than you might think.

Just to cheer us all up. There has been an Ebola outbreak in Guinea.

I know our BWS has been experiencing unprecedented crowds of customers at times:

Alcohol support services stretched, as Tasmanians spend record amount on booze during COVID pandemic

New data has revealed Tasmanians are spending more on alcohol than ever before, and support services are already feeling the effects.

In March last year when the state’s COVID lockdown began, Tasmanians spent $35.7 million on alcohol, up $8.4 million dollars on the previous March ($27.3 million spent in March 2019).

In July 2020 Tasmanians spent $33 million, compared to $25 million in July 2019, and during the month of December they spent $50.3 million, compared to $45.3 million in 2019.

Alison Lai, the chief executive of the Alcohol, Tobacco and other Drugs Council Tasmania (ATDC) said the data was not surprising.

“As soon as restrictions came in, we anticipated an increase, as many of us turn to alcohol at times of stress, uncertainty and boredom,” Ms Lai said.

She said as a result, support services had been hit with unprecedented demand.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/tas-rehab-services-overwhelmed-during-pandemic/13153924

Bubblecar said:

I know our BWS has been experiencing unprecedented crowds of customers at times:

Alcohol support services stretched, as Tasmanians spend record amount on booze during COVID pandemic

New data has revealed Tasmanians are spending more on alcohol than ever before, and support services are already feeling the effects.

In March last year when the state’s COVID lockdown began, Tasmanians spent $35.7 million on alcohol, up $8.4 million dollars on the previous March ($27.3 million spent in March 2019).

In July 2020 Tasmanians spent $33 million, compared to $25 million in July 2019, and during the month of December they spent $50.3 million, compared to $45.3 million in 2019.

Alison Lai, the chief executive of the Alcohol, Tobacco and other Drugs Council Tasmania (ATDC) said the data was not surprising.

“As soon as restrictions came in, we anticipated an increase, as many of us turn to alcohol at times of stress, uncertainty and boredom,” Ms Lai said.

She said as a result, support services had been hit with unprecedented demand.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/tas-rehab-services-overwhelmed-during-pandemic/13153924

They’ll use it as data to roll out the Indue card.

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Let Them Rip

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/guinea-declares-new-ebola-pandemic-after-three-deaths/13154432

Guinea has declared a new Ebola outbreak, the first resurgence of the disease there since the world’s worst outbreak in 2013-2016. The declaration follows at least three people in the nation’s south-east dying and another four people falling ill.

I should be reasonably high priority, being fat and quite old.

I think you will find yourself lower on the list than you might think.

Just to cheer us all up. There has been an Ebola outbreak in Guinea.

don’t worry we have an even better one for you all

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/victorians-in-lockdown-anxiously-watch-growing-covid-cluster/13153974

Three Melbourne hospital psychiatric wards have been locked down and more than 100 staff have been told to quarantine, as authorities treat a worker with “unclear” coronavirus results as a positive case.

—

you know how you get mania and then you get around

this should end well

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

IT’S HERE….IT’S HERE

Praise the Lord.

What? The Rapture?

Left behind and an eternity in the forum. The horror, the horror…

Probably more interesting than non stop angel choirs forever…

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I should be reasonably high priority, being fat and quite old.

I think you will find yourself lower on the list than you might think.

Just to cheer us all up. There has been an Ebola outbreak in Guinea.

I noticed that. Not good.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

What? The Rapture?

Left behind and an eternity in the forum. The horror, the horror…

Probably more interesting than non stop angel choirs forever…

Your idea of heaven is very different to mine.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Left behind and an eternity in the forum. The horror, the horror…

Probably more interesting than non stop angel choirs forever…

Your idea of heaven is very different to mine.

I don’t actually believe in heaven of any sort. I’m with Phillip Adams on that one….remember what it was like before you were born? Being dead is just like that.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Probably more interesting than non stop angel choirs forever…

Your idea of heaven is very different to mine.

I don’t actually believe in heaven of any sort. I’m with Phillip Adams on that one….remember what it was like before you were born? Being dead is just like that.

Yeah cease to exist when we die, live on through DNA and memory

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/clalit-data-pfizer-vaccine-reduces-risk-of-serious-covid-19-658959

Data showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those vaccinated.

poikilotherm said:

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/clalit-data-pfizer-vaccine-reduces-risk-of-serious-covid-19-658959

Data showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those vaccinated.

How exactly are they working out those figures. I’m assuming they are just waiting for wild infections, not actively infecting people.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Probably more interesting than non stop angel choirs forever…

Your idea of heaven is very different to mine.

I don’t actually believe in heaven of any sort. I’m with Phillip Adams on that one….remember what it was like before you were born? Being dead is just like that.

Makes sense to conclude that memories of past lives proves the existence of an afterlife.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/clalit-data-pfizer-vaccine-reduces-risk-of-serious-covid-19-658959

Data showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those vaccinated.

How exactly are they working out those figures. I’m assuming they are just waiting for wild infections, not actively infecting people.

Although 94% fewer symptomatic cases might just mean “of those who actually caught the bug after being vaccinated”. So what is n then? You probably need to know how many people were involved in the study and how many caught it. To have some idea if it’s useful or not.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Your idea of heaven is very different to mine.

I don’t actually believe in heaven of any sort. I’m with Phillip Adams on that one….remember what it was like before you were born? Being dead is just like that.

Makes sense to conclude that memories of past lives proves the existence of an afterlife.

Tell me about your past lives…

Cymek said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Your idea of heaven is very different to mine.

I don’t actually believe in heaven of any sort. I’m with Phillip Adams on that one….remember what it was like before you were born? Being dead is just like that.

Yeah cease to exist when we die, live on through DNA and memory

Or as a horrible example.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/clalit-data-pfizer-vaccine-reduces-risk-of-serious-covid-19-658959

Data showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those vaccinated.

How exactly are they working out those figures. I’m assuming they are just waiting for wild infections, not actively infecting people.

I suspect they are herding people into 5G hotspots.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I don’t actually believe in heaven of any sort. I’m with Phillip Adams on that one….remember what it was like before you were born? Being dead is just like that.

Makes sense to conclude that memories of past lives proves the existence of an afterlife.

Tell me about your past lives…

Oh I wasn’t talking about me. Just expressing my distaste for that twat Philip Adams.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

buffy said:

I don’t actually believe in heaven of any sort. I’m with Phillip Adams on that one….remember what it was like before you were born? Being dead is just like that.

Yeah cease to exist when we die, live on through DNA and memory

Or as a horrible example.

Maybe, true I think.
I did wonder if you started in your teens and recorded as much of you thoughts, experiences as possible everyday, could you one day create an Avatar from it, that was similar to you

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Makes sense to conclude that memories of past lives proves the existence of an afterlife.

Tell me about your past lives…

Oh I wasn’t talking about me. Just expressing my distaste for that twat Philip Adams.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you. He isn’t saying you have past lives.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Yeah cease to exist when we die, live on through DNA and memory

Or as a horrible example.

Maybe, true I think.
I did wonder if you started in your teens and recorded as much of you thoughts, experiences as possible everyday, could you one day create an Avatar from it, that was similar to you

I was thinking about the, mostly bad, people in history. Like Caligula about 2000 years ago.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Tell me about your past lives…

Oh I wasn’t talking about me. Just expressing my distaste for that twat Philip Adams.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you. He isn’t saying you have past lives.

Me personally?

buffy said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/clalit-data-pfizer-vaccine-reduces-risk-of-serious-covid-19-658959

Data showed 94% fewer symptomatic coronavirus cases and 92% fewer cases of serious illness among those vaccinated.

How exactly are they working out those figures. I’m assuming they are just waiting for wild infections, not actively infecting people.

Although 94% fewer symptomatic cases might just mean “of those who actually caught the bug after being vaccinated”. So what is n then? You probably need to know how many people were involved in the study and how many caught it. To have some idea if it’s useful or not.

n was about 1.2 million people, half fully vaxed the half not.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Oh I wasn’t talking about me. Just expressing my distaste for that twat Philip Adams.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you. He isn’t saying you have past lives.

Me personally?

He’s not saying anyone has past lives.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I have not the pleasure of understanding you. He isn’t saying you have past lives.

Me personally?

He’s not saying anyone has past lives.

Yeah I know. I’m just making fun of him.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

How exactly are they working out those figures. I’m assuming they are just waiting for wild infections, not actively infecting people.

Although 94% fewer symptomatic cases might just mean “of those who actually caught the bug after being vaccinated”. So what is n then? You probably need to know how many people were involved in the study and how many caught it. To have some idea if it’s useful or not.

n was about 1.2 million people, half fully vaxed the half not.

And how many got the bug? I’m assuming then that all of them were being tested to see if they got the bug or not. (That is a lot of testing). Because, asymptomatic.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Me personally?

He’s not saying anyone has past lives.

Yeah I know. I’m just making fun of him.

These people who say they remember past lives. Are they fooling themselves or just us?

I’ve looked at the link, poik. I hadn’t because it’s a newspaper report. Is there an actual paper?

Scientists concerned that 7 newly discovered US coronavirus variants could be more contagious

Researchers have discovered seven variants of the coronavirus from across the US, a study found.
It’s not yet known if these variations are more transmissible than the original strain.
“There’s clearly something going on with this mutation,” a virologist said.
Visit the Business section of Insider for more stories.
Researchers have discovered seven variants of the coronavirus in the US, with a mutation in the same genetic letter, a new study found.

They were discovered in states across the country and it’s not yet clear if the strains are more contagious, but researchers are concerned.

“There’s clearly something going on with this mutation,” Jeremy Kamil, a virologist at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Centre Shreveport, told The New York Times.

Kamil, the co-author of the new study, said that he was sequencing coronavirus samples when he noticed the new variants, which have mutations on the same amino acid. Scientists are worried because the mutations could potentially make it easier for the virus to enter human cells, the Times reported.

Kamil said the viruses all belonged to the same lineage, and after inputting the genome into an online database used by other scientists, he learned that there were scientists in New Mexico who also found the same variant with the same mutation.

The lineage Kamil detected dates back to December 1, and the samples from New Mexico date back to October, but it’s unclear when these variants actually started. Samples from across the country have turned up with this variant but with limited genome sequencing, it’s difficult to understand how prevalent these mutated viruses are.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/scientists-concerned-that-7-newly-discovered-us-coronavirus-variants-could-be-more-contagious/ar-BB1dG8Xp?ocid=msedgntp

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

He’s not saying anyone has past lives.

Yeah I know. I’m just making fun of him.

These people who say they remember past lives. Are they fooling themselves or just us?

The idea of race memory passed down through DNA is an interesting thought, not sure how it would work.

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

He’s not saying anyone has past lives.

Yeah I know. I’m just making fun of him.

These people who say they remember past lives. Are they fooling themselves or just us?

I have never experienced anything of a supernatural nature but I am open to the claim that some people do.

buffy said:

I’ve looked at the link, poik. I hadn’t because it’s a newspaper report. Is there an actual paper?

This one?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04709003

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah I know. I’m just making fun of him.

These people who say they remember past lives. Are they fooling themselves or just us?

I have never experienced anything of a supernatural nature but I am open to the claim that some people do.

Are you willing to try the Hitchhikers method for learning to fly ?
You fall over and if you can distract yourself before you hit the ground and forget you are going to hit the ground you start to fly

buffy said:

buffy said:

I’ve looked at the link, poik. I hadn’t because it’s a newspaper report. Is there an actual paper?

This one?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04709003

>>Although clinical trials for approved COVID-19 vaccines demonstrated efficacy of the vaccine in preventing symptomatic infection, many questions about vaccine effectiveness, such as the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccine in preventing asymptomatic infection, a surrogate for transmission, and duration of protection, can only be evaluated in real-world trials. The objective of the study is to evaluate COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness (Pfizer vaccine, and, if available, Moderna vaccine) in preventing infection in healthcare personnel in Israel. HCP who are Clalit members and working in Soroka, Beilinson, Meir, Haemek, Kaplan and Schneider hospitals, 18 years or older, and eligible to get COVID-19 vaccine according to Ministry of Health guidelines, will be recruited, regardless of their intention to get the COVID-19 vaccine. A baseline serology sample and respiratory sample will be collected. Participants will be asked to provide a respiratory sample weekly for 3 months, and then monthly for the remainder of the study. Participants will also have blood drawn at 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 9 months and 12 months. Respiratory samples will be tested for SARS-CoV-2 by RT-PCR; serology will be tested for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The study will last for 12 months. For each participant, data will be extracted from the Electronic Medical Record for the period of the study and retrospectively from 2010.<<

buffy said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

I’ve looked at the link, poik. I hadn’t because it’s a newspaper report. Is there an actual paper?

This one?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04709003

>>Although clinical trials for approved COVID-19 vaccines demonstrated efficacy of the vaccine in preventing symptomatic infection, many questions about vaccine effectiveness, such as the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccine in preventing asymptomatic infection, a surrogate for transmission, and duration of protection, can only be evaluated in real-world trials. The objective of the study is to evaluate COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness (Pfizer vaccine, and, if available, Moderna vaccine) in preventing infection in healthcare personnel in Israel. HCP who are Clalit members and working in Soroka, Beilinson, Meir, Haemek, Kaplan and Schneider hospitals, 18 years or older, and eligible to get COVID-19 vaccine according to Ministry of Health guidelines, will be recruited, regardless of their intention to get the COVID-19 vaccine. A baseline serology sample and respiratory sample will be collected. Participants will be asked to provide a respiratory sample weekly for 3 months, and then monthly for the remainder of the study. Participants will also have blood drawn at 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 9 months and 12 months. Respiratory samples will be tested for SARS-CoV-2 by RT-PCR; serology will be tested for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The study will last for 12 months. For each participant, data will be extracted from the Electronic Medical Record for the period of the study and retrospectively from 2010.<<

Hang on, no. That one is only for 4500 participants.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah I know. I’m just making fun of him.

These people who say they remember past lives. Are they fooling themselves or just us?

I have never experienced anything of a supernatural nature but I am open to the claim that some people do.

given the copious number of claims and the far fewer accounts of hard evidence, reproducibility or teachability without generous funding requests I’m inclined to believe that almost no-one experiences it.. but I agree that many people think they do.

Arts said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

These people who say they remember past lives. Are they fooling themselves or just us?

I have never experienced anything of a supernatural nature but I am open to the claim that some people do.

given the copious number of claims and the far fewer accounts of hard evidence, reproducibility or teachability without generous funding requests I’m inclined to believe that almost no-one experiences it.. but I agree that many people think they do.

I imagine the most common would be sleep paralysis claimed as alien/demon/angel visitation, I experience it once and its unsettling

It wasn’t a clinical trial, we already know comirnaty works, it was observational study done by the largest health insurer in Israel with matched participants.

PermeateFree said:

Scientists concerned that 7 newly discovered US coronavirus variants could be more contagious

Researchers have discovered seven variants of the coronavirus from across the US, a study found.
It’s not yet known if these variations are more transmissible than the original strain.
“There’s clearly something going on with this mutation,” a virologist said.
Visit the Business section of Insider for more stories.
Researchers have discovered seven variants of the coronavirus in the US, with a mutation in the same genetic letter, a new study found.

They were discovered in states across the country and it’s not yet clear if the strains are more contagious, but researchers are concerned.

“There’s clearly something going on with this mutation,” Jeremy Kamil, a virologist at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Centre Shreveport, told The New York Times.

Kamil, the co-author of the new study, said that he was sequencing coronavirus samples when he noticed the new variants, which have mutations on the same amino acid. Scientists are worried because the mutations could potentially make it easier for the virus to enter human cells, the Times reported.

Kamil said the viruses all belonged to the same lineage, and after inputting the genome into an online database used by other scientists, he learned that there were scientists in New Mexico who also found the same variant with the same mutation.

The lineage Kamil detected dates back to December 1, and the samples from New Mexico date back to October, but it’s unclear when these variants actually started. Samples from across the country have turned up with this variant but with limited genome sequencing, it’s difficult to understand how prevalent these mutated viruses are.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/scientists-concerned-that-7-newly-discovered-us-coronavirus-variants-could-be-more-contagious/ar-BB1dG8Xp?ocid=msedgntp

this is the real biological warfare

seems balanced

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-14/china-coronavirus-who-investigation-comes-up-empty/13144756

SCIENCE said:

seems balanced

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-14/china-coronavirus-who-investigation-comes-up-empty/13144756

It’s not the ‘Global Times’.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

seems balanced

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-14/china-coronavirus-who-investigation-comes-up-empty/13144756

It’s not the ‘Global Times’.

OK, OK, so I mixed up the names of two Chinese newspapers in one post many months ago. So sue me.
I was looking through the articles in the national newspaper “China Daily” not “Global Times”.

Which at the time was the most reliable immediate source of information on China’s discovery of coronavirus and the first response, long before it was even called coronavirus.

And don’t forget to add http://en.nhc.gov.cn/2020-04/06/c_78861_4.htm

The WHO investigation only reiterates what I already told the forum back in February-March 2020.

mollwollfumble said:

The WHO investigation only reiterates what I already told the forum back in February-March 2020.

And what was that? Your claims about the ease of making vaccines were one of many things you got wrong.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/calls-for-national-auditor-of-hotel-quarantine-covid/13156362

No, we don’t need a national auditor. It’s an unnecessary bureaucratic level. We need the Federal government to understand that biosecurity is their job and to do something about it. They can allocate the premises in each state (and pay for them) and be responsible for the staffing etc. Standing around grizzling is not helpful.

Going on holiday is illegal in the UK at this time. Also parents who a balcony or backyard are asked to keep their children out of public playgrounds.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

The WHO investigation only reiterates what I already told the forum back in February-March 2020.

And what was that? Your claims about the ease of making vaccines were one of many things you got wrong.

I said everything that WHO has said. China has been completely honest and open about this virus. (That was not true for SARS, but that’s a different story). The virus went from bat to unknown species to human. The first China lockdown was 1 Jan at the Wuhan fish market, long before it was known to be a new virus. There were no cases in China before mid December. China acted extremely swiftly and transparently, with a lockdown of the entire state, recommended mask wearing, controls to stop re-importation of the virus from other countries, and sequencing of the genome, all in record time. Etc.

Knock yourself out. Have a read of contemporary reports from the China Daily newspaper.
http://newssearch.chinadaily.com.cn/en/search?query=virus%20Wuhan
Switch to “oldest first”. Click “Next” until you reach page 9, and start reading there.

I did not get “ease of making vaccines” wrong. The vaccines that are being released now are identical to when the same vaccines were first made 10 or 11 months ago. It takes less than 3 months to breed up somewhere between 1 and 10 million vaccine doses.

mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

The WHO investigation only reiterates what I already told the forum back in February-March 2020.

And what was that? Your claims about the ease of making vaccines were one of many things you got wrong.

I said everything that WHO has said. China has been completely honest and open about this virus. (That was not true for SARS, but that’s a different story). The virus went from bat to unknown species to human. The first China lockdown was 1 Jan at the Wuhan fish market, long before it was known to be a new virus. There were no cases in China before mid December. China acted extremely swiftly and transparently, with a lockdown of the entire state, recommended mask wearing, controls to stop re-importation of the virus from other countries, and sequencing of the genome, all in record time. Etc.

Knock yourself out. Have a read of contemporary reports from the China Daily newspaper.
http://newssearch.chinadaily.com.cn/en/search?query=virus%20Wuhan
Switch to “oldest first”. Click “Next” until you reach page 9, and start reading there.

I did not get “ease of making vaccines” wrong. The vaccines that are being released now are identical to when the same vaccines were first made 10 or 11 months ago. It takes less than 3 months to breed up somewhere between 1 and 10 million vaccine doses.

If you’re just going to spout bullshit we may as well leave it there.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/anatomy-of-a-conspiracy-with-covid-china-took-leading-role-20210215-p572ow.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/anatomy-of-a-conspiracy-with-covid-china-took-leading-role-20210215-p572ow.html

yeah if only they hadn’t lied this pandemic would never have happened

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/anatomy-of-a-conspiracy-with-covid-china-took-leading-role-20210215-p572ow.html

yeah if only they hadn’t lied this pandemic would never have happened

The article doesn’t suggest that. Indeed it describes the conspiracy theories of both Trump and some Chinese foreign ministry officials.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/anatomy-of-a-conspiracy-with-covid-china-took-leading-role-20210215-p572ow.html

yeah if only they hadn’t lied this pandemic would never have happened

The article doesn’t suggest that. Indeed it describes the conspiracy theories of both Trump and some Chinese foreign ministry officials.

fair enough, we guess we just hope that CHINESE or USSAole, people would have been discerning enough to recognise bullshit whatever the source, like yes disinformation is a problem but the COVID-19 pandemic really wouldn’t be a conspiracy theory pandemic if the people running their respective countries weren’t so susceptible

Coronavirus new cases per day. Lowest since 5 Oct 2020.

‘Only’ 263,000 new cases in one day.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/is-israel-a-preview-of-australia-s-post-vaccine-world-20210216-p572uz.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/is-israel-a-preview-of-australia-s-post-vaccine-world-20210216-p572uz.html

Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is backing proposed legislation which will allow local authorities to name and shame unvaccinated residents.

That’s the spirit ¡

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/is-israel-a-preview-of-australia-s-post-vaccine-world-20210216-p572uz.html

Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is backing proposed legislation which will allow local authorities to name and shame unvaccinated residents.

That’s the spirit ¡

Might be better doing it the other way around; publicly congratulate those who do get vaccinated.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/is-israel-a-preview-of-australia-s-post-vaccine-world-20210216-p572uz.html

Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is backing proposed legislation which will allow local authorities to name and shame unvaccinated residents.

That’s the spirit ¡

Isn’t he in the shit for corruption, perhaps it’s a good distraction

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/is-israel-a-preview-of-australia-s-post-vaccine-world-20210216-p572uz.html

Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is backing proposed legislation which will allow local authorities to name and shame unvaccinated residents.

That’s the spirit ¡

Might be better doing it the other way around; publicly congratulate those who do get vaccinated.

Needle benefits for The Economy Must Grow, provide vaccinated individuals 50% off their casual dining if their entire dinner group is covered or exempt, you can Dine In if you’re All In with the Vaccin and all that.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is backing proposed legislation which will allow local authorities to name and shame unvaccinated residents.

That’s the spirit ¡

Might be better doing it the other way around; publicly congratulate those who do get vaccinated.

Needle benefits for The Economy Must Grow, provide vaccinated individuals 50% off their casual dining if their entire dinner group is covered or exempt, you can Dine In if you’re All In with the Vaccin and all that.

You have to make sure it is available to everyone or you will be discriminating with any rewards.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Might be better doing it the other way around; publicly congratulate those who do get vaccinated.

Needle benefits for The Economy Must Grow, provide vaccinated individuals 50% off their casual dining if their entire dinner group is covered or exempt, you can Dine In if you’re All In with the Vaccin and all that.

You have to make sure it is available to everyone or you will be discriminating with any rewards.

exemptions are available to anyone, or are you referring to an Indue card sort of situation

like if we’re not parents of young children we’re not taking up arms over childcare subsidies

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Needle benefits for The Economy Must Grow, provide vaccinated individuals 50% off their casual dining if their entire dinner group is covered or exempt, you can Dine In if you’re All In with the Vaccin and all that.

You have to make sure it is available to everyone or you will be discriminating with any rewards.

exemptions are available to anyone, or are you referring to an Indue card sort of situation

like if we’re not parents of young children we’re not taking up arms over childcare subsidies

What? You suggested rewarding those who vaccinate. I suggested you need to make it universally available before you can consider such a thing.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is backing proposed legislation which will allow local authorities to name and shame unvaccinated residents.

That’s the spirit ¡

Might be better doing it the other way around; publicly congratulate those who do get vaccinated.

Needle benefits for The Economy Must Grow, provide vaccinated individuals 50% off their casual dining if their entire dinner group is covered or exempt, you can Dine In if you’re All In with the Vaccin and all that.

:)

Good News, Children Don’t Die From COVID-19, They Merely Get To Suffer For Longer

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/post-covid-pediatric-pandemic-heartbreaking-to-watch-your-child-suffer-659081

fixed

Daniel Andrews confirms end to snap lockdown as Victoria records no new cases

SCIENCE said:

fixed

Daniel Andrews confirms end to snap lockdown as Victoria records no new cases

snap fasteners also unsnap as quickly.

we called them courgettes in england.

JudgeMental said:

we called them courgettes in england.

They are still known as that from France to Margaret Fulton.

For the coronavirus vaccine, there are two big mysteries for me. Huge mysteries.

One mystery is that no Covid vaccine I’ve so far seen either approved or under development has been a “killed virus” vaccine.

Can you find one?

The other mystery is that I found a website that claims that China had distributed a million vaccine doses before the vaccine was approved for general release. That’s not impossible because Russia had distributed 100,000 vaccine doses before their vaccine was approved for general release – 20,000 during stage 3 testing, 40,000 to the armed forces, some to medical researchers.

Can you confirm or deny this claim for China?

mollwollfumble said:

For the coronavirus vaccine, there are two big mysteries for me. Huge mysteries.

One mystery is that no Covid vaccine I’ve so far seen either approved or under development has been a “killed virus” vaccine.

Can you find one?

The other mystery is that I found a website that claims that China had distributed a million vaccine doses before the vaccine was approved for general release. That’s not impossible because Russia had distributed 100,000 vaccine doses before their vaccine was approved for general release – 20,000 during stage 3 testing, 40,000 to the armed forces, some to medical researchers.

Can you confirm or deny this claim for China?

The hindsight usually comes later.

I think the Vic Gov needs some advice from DA on wording. Here is the mask rule (from the gov website):

“Mandatory when inside (except in a residential home) and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distancing (unless a lawful exemption applies).”

So, is that

“Mandatory when inside and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”,

or “Mandatory when inside, and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”?

No comma, so I’m going with the first reading. The ABC has been a bit muddled about it.

buffy said:

I think the Vic Gov needs some advice from DA on wording. Here is the mask rule (from the gov website):

“Mandatory when inside (except in a residential home) and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distancing (unless a lawful exemption applies).”

So, is that

“Mandatory when inside and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”,

or “Mandatory when inside, and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”?

No comma, so I’m going with the first reading. The ABC has been a bit muddled about it.

Basically the brackets inform you that you can take your mask off inside your own home.
This may have been the distraction.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think the Vic Gov needs some advice from DA on wording. Here is the mask rule (from the gov website):

“Mandatory when inside (except in a residential home) and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distancing (unless a lawful exemption applies).”

So, is that

“Mandatory when inside and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”,

or “Mandatory when inside, and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”?

No comma, so I’m going with the first reading. The ABC has been a bit muddled about it.

Basically the brackets inform you that you can take your mask off inside your own home.
This may have been the distraction.

So that means both inside and out, you only need to put it on when you can’t distance.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think the Vic Gov needs some advice from DA on wording. Here is the mask rule (from the gov website):

“Mandatory when inside (except in a residential home) and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distancing (unless a lawful exemption applies).”

So, is that

“Mandatory when inside and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”,

or “Mandatory when inside, and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distance”?

No comma, so I’m going with the first reading. The ABC has been a bit muddled about it.

Basically the brackets inform you that you can take your mask off inside your own home.
This may have been the distraction.

So that means both inside and out, you only need to put it on when you can’t distance.

Outside your own personal yard boundaries..? Yes.

“Victoria’s Opposition leader says Victoria should follow the NSW hotel quarantine model” (43m ago)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/13161052

What is NSW doing that is different? As far as I can see, with the exception of Darwin, all the models are much the same.

buffy said:

“Victoria’s Opposition leader says Victoria should follow the NSW hotel quarantine model” (43m ago)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/13161052

What is NSW doing that is different? As far as I can see, with the exception of Darwin, all the models are much the same.

Politicians.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

“Victoria’s Opposition leader says Victoria should follow the NSW hotel quarantine model” (43m ago)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/13161052

What is NSW doing that is different? As far as I can see, with the exception of Darwin, all the models are much the same.

Politicians.

maybe their contact tracing really is better, we heard there’s a single check in system for almost all venues, and contacts are easier to find

Victorian woman sent home from Tasmania as footage emerges of alleged quarantine breach

Police charge a 38-year-old Victorian woman with failing to obey the direction of an emergency management worker, as footage emerges on social media showing a person climbing down from a hotel awning.
……………………………………………………………………………………………

What a goose!
……………………………………………………………………………………………

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

“Victoria’s Opposition leader says Victoria should follow the NSW hotel quarantine model” (43m ago)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/13161052

What is NSW doing that is different? As far as I can see, with the exception of Darwin, all the models are much the same.

Politicians.

maybe their contact tracing really is better, we heard there’s a single check in system for almost all venues, and contacts are easier to find

He is talking about the hotel quarantine system, not contact tracing.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Politicians.

maybe their contact tracing really is better, we heard there’s a single check in system for almost all venues, and contacts are easier to find

He is talking about the hotel quarantine system, not contact tracing.

we were generally answering the What is NSW doing that is different? part but yeah apparently there ain’t any excuses to be out of your room in NSW but that might just be hearsay

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe their contact tracing really is better, we heard there’s a single check in system for almost all venues, and contacts are easier to find

He is talking about the hotel quarantine system, not contact tracing.

we were generally answering the What is NSW doing that is different? part but yeah apparently there ain’t any excuses to be out of your room in NSW but that might just be hearsay

And that is different from Victoria in what way?

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

He is talking about the hotel quarantine system, not contact tracing.

we were generally answering the What is NSW doing that is different? part but yeah apparently there ain’t any excuses to be out of your room in NSW but that might just be hearsay

And that is different from Victoria in what way?

We have a competent public health unit…

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

we were generally answering the What is NSW doing that is different? part but yeah apparently there ain’t any excuses to be out of your room in NSW but that might just be hearsay

And that is different from Victoria in what way?

We have a competent public health unit…

The government department or the actual hospitals?

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

“Victoria’s Opposition leader says Victoria should follow the NSW hotel quarantine model” (43m ago)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-17/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest/13161052

What is NSW doing that is different? As far as I can see, with the exception of Darwin, all the models are much the same.

Politicians.

maybe their contact tracing really is better, we heard there’s a single check in system for almost all venues, and contacts are easier to find

There is a single check in system used by and for all venues.

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

And that is different from Victoria in what way?

We have a competent public health unit…

The government department or the actual hospitals?

It’s a gov dept. but they are also found in all hospitals.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

we were generally answering the What is NSW doing that is different? part but yeah apparently there ain’t any excuses to be out of your room in NSW but that might just be hearsay

And that is different from Victoria in what way?

We have a competent public health unit…

we also heard say that NSW let health type authorities run their facilities

poikilotherm said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

We have a competent public health unit…

The government department or the actual hospitals?

It’s a gov dept. but they are also found in all hospitals.

Sorry I meant is it the Victorian Health Department or Victorian hospitals that are sub-par?

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The government department or the actual hospitals?

It’s a gov dept. but they are also found in all hospitals.

Sorry I meant is it the Victorian Health Department or Victorian hospitals that are sub-par?

Dunno how it works in the Covid state, they seem to do things differently.

poikilotherm said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

It’s a gov dept. but they are also found in all hospitals.

Sorry I meant is it the Victorian Health Department or Victorian hospitals that are sub-par?

Dunno how it works in the Covid state, they seem to do things differently.

Surely the hospitals aren’t responsible for the contract tracing servers…

poikilotherm said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

It’s a gov dept. but they are also found in all hospitals.

Sorry I meant is it the Victorian Health Department or Victorian hospitals that are sub-par?

Dunno how it works in the Covid state, they seem to do things differently.

But what is different in different states? As I understand it :

Travellers come into the airport and are bused to a designated hotel. Tested and moved to a “hot” hotel if they come in positive. At the hotels they are confined to their rooms. Deliveries are done by people in PPE. There are no cleaners until the room is vacated and a deep clean is done. Guard type (private or police) people sit near the lifts/end of the passageways and presumably yell at anyone trying to come out of their doors.

Is it done differently somehow in different states? (Excluding the Darwin Holiday Camp arrangement)

And reading back what I just wrote, it occurs to me that I’ve not heard of any of the deep cleaning people catching the bug. They should be amongst the Most Likely really. If there is going to be a failure of PPE, it would be with people doing physical work like that, rather than just food deliverers etc.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Sorry I meant is it the Victorian Health Department or Victorian hospitals that are sub-par?

Dunno how it works in the Covid state, they seem to do things differently.

But what is different in different states? As I understand it :

Travellers come into the airport and are bused to a designated hotel. Tested and moved to a “hot” hotel if they come in positive. At the hotels they are confined to their rooms. Deliveries are done by people in PPE. There are no cleaners until the room is vacated and a deep clean is done. Guard type (private or police) people sit near the lifts/end of the passageways and presumably yell at anyone trying to come out of their doors.

Is it done differently somehow in different states? (Excluding the Darwin Holiday Camp arrangement)

how much PPE though, if you’re nebulising SARS-CoV-2 into the corridors then those people are all at risk, deep cleaners less so if they’re waiting until the rooms are clear

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Dunno how it works in the Covid state, they seem to do things differently.

But what is different in different states? As I understand it :

Travellers come into the airport and are bused to a designated hotel. Tested and moved to a “hot” hotel if they come in positive. At the hotels they are confined to their rooms. Deliveries are done by people in PPE. There are no cleaners until the room is vacated and a deep clean is done. Guard type (private or police) people sit near the lifts/end of the passageways and presumably yell at anyone trying to come out of their doors.

Is it done differently somehow in different states? (Excluding the Darwin Holiday Camp arrangement)

how much PPE though, if you’re nebulising SARS-CoV-2 into the corridors then those people are all at risk, deep cleaners less so if they’re waiting until the rooms are clear

Deep cleaners are going into a room that hasn’t been cleaned and has been constantly occupied for two weeks. And I would assume they also go into the rooms which were occupied by those testing positive. They should theoretically be at quite a high risk.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

But what is different in different states? As I understand it :

Travellers come into the airport and are bused to a designated hotel. Tested and moved to a “hot” hotel if they come in positive. At the hotels they are confined to their rooms. Deliveries are done by people in PPE. There are no cleaners until the room is vacated and a deep clean is done. Guard type (private or police) people sit near the lifts/end of the passageways and presumably yell at anyone trying to come out of their doors.

Is it done differently somehow in different states? (Excluding the Darwin Holiday Camp arrangement)

how much PPE though, if you’re nebulising SARS-CoV-2 into the corridors then those people are all at risk, deep cleaners less so if they’re waiting until the rooms are clear

Deep cleaners are going into a room that hasn’t been cleaned and has been constantly occupied for two weeks. And I would assume they also go into the rooms which were occupied by those testing positive. They should theoretically be at quite a high risk.

so what masks are they wearing, how soon after the last occupants, have the windows been left open

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

But what is different in different states? As I understand it :

Travellers come into the airport and are bused to a designated hotel. Tested and moved to a “hot” hotel if they come in positive. At the hotels they are confined to their rooms. Deliveries are done by people in PPE. There are no cleaners until the room is vacated and a deep clean is done. Guard type (private or police) people sit near the lifts/end of the passageways and presumably yell at anyone trying to come out of their doors.

Is it done differently somehow in different states? (Excluding the Darwin Holiday Camp arrangement)

how much PPE though, if you’re nebulising SARS-CoV-2 into the corridors then those people are all at risk, deep cleaners less so if they’re waiting until the rooms are clear

Deep cleaners are going into a room that hasn’t been cleaned and has been constantly occupied for two weeks. And I would assume they also go into the rooms which were occupied by those testing positive. They should theoretically be at quite a high risk.

I think the deep cleaners use full sperm suits etc, because they are spraying chemicals onto every surface.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

how much PPE though, if you’re nebulising SARS-CoV-2 into the corridors then those people are all at risk, deep cleaners less so if they’re waiting until the rooms are clear

Deep cleaners are going into a room that hasn’t been cleaned and has been constantly occupied for two weeks. And I would assume they also go into the rooms which were occupied by those testing positive. They should theoretically be at quite a high risk.

so what masks are they wearing, how soon after the last occupants, have the windows been left open

I think you will find one of the complaints about the rooms is that you can’t open the windows.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Deep cleaners are going into a room that hasn’t been cleaned and has been constantly occupied for two weeks. And I would assume they also go into the rooms which were occupied by those testing positive. They should theoretically be at quite a high risk.

so what masks are they wearing, how soon after the last occupants, have the windows been left open

I think you will find one of the complaints about the rooms is that you can’t open the windows.

well we’ve suggested some other aspects to look at so there may be something somewhere in all that that could explain different levels of risk among different populations

Anyway Back To The Good News

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268014-exclusive-two-variants-have-merged-into-heavily-mutated-coronavirus/

Two variants have merged into heavily mutated coronavirus

UK and California variants of coronavirus appear to have combined into a heavily mutated hybrid, sparking concern that we may be entering a new phase of the covid-19 pandemic

The hybrid virus is the result of recombination of the highly transmissible B.1.1.7 variant discovered in the UK and the B.1.429 variant that originated in California and which may be responsible for a recent wave of cases in Los Angeles because it carries a mutation making it resistant to some antibodies.

If confirmed, the recombinant would be the first to be detected in this pandemic. In December and January, two research groups independently reported that they hadn’t seen any evidence of recombination, even though it has long been expected as it is common in coronaviruses.

“We may be getting to the point when this is happening at appreciable rates,” says Sergei Pond at Temple University in Pennsylvania, who keeps an eye out for recombinants by comparing thousands of genome sequences uploaded to databases. He says there is still no evidence of widespread recombination, but that “coronaviruses all recombine, so it’s a question of when, not if”.

“This kind of event could allow the virus to have coupled a more infectious virus with a more resistant virus,” Korber said at the New York meeting.

—

¡woohoo!

¿remember when in December and January, groups reported they hadn’t seen any evidence of human-to-human transmission, even though it is common with coronaviruses?

¿remember when in February, despite human-to-human transmission, experts told us there was still no evidence of widespread human-to-human transmission?

¡oh yeah!

Proof That Free Capitalist Democracies Are More Susceptible To Pandemic Failures

News from DW on TV

South Africa has refused the Oxford-Zeneca vaccine as not being effective enough.

They now refer to important strains as “variants of concern”. There are at least four variants of concern at the moment.
The Kent strain
The Bristol strain
The South Africa strain
The Brazil strain

All of these have lower mortality than the original Wuhan strain, ranging from 40%? to 75% of the original mortality.

Mortality of individual strains is difficult to discern right now because we’re in the northern hemisphere winter. In winter, per-existing medical conditions such as hypertension have a naturally greater mortality which can mask any changes in covid mortality due to changes in variants.

Hmm. I mentioned yesterday that the stuff about changed mask rules in Victoria is ambiguous. Looking around various media outlets, some say it is back to what we had before the 5 day lockdown (must wear in supermarkets, shopping centres, public transport, when you can’t distance 1.5m etc), and some say must wear indoors when away from home. And the ABC and some others are rather confused about it, saying you must carry one at all times but need it only when you can’t distance…and in the next sentence say mandatory inside.

buffy said:

Hmm. I mentioned yesterday that the stuff about changed mask rules in Victoria is ambiguous. Looking around various media outlets, some say it is back to what we had before the 5 day lockdown (must wear in supermarkets, shopping centres, public transport, when you can’t distance 1.5m etc), and some say must wear indoors when away from home. And the ABC and some others are rather confused about it, saying you must carry one at all times but need it only when you can’t distance…and in the next sentence say mandatory inside.

2 hours ago
By Kelsie Iorio
……………………………………………………………………………..

Mask rules in Victoria

………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Question:

Are masks mandatory indoors at all times and then only mandatory outdoors if you can physically distance? Or are both mandatory only if you can’t physically distance.

Can’t quite work out the grammar.

-Inclusive Or

………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Answer:

Here’s the deal with masks in Victoria as of today:

• You need to carry one with you at all times
• You must wear one in indoor public spaces
• You must wear one on public transport, in taxis and ride shares, on flights, in airports and in hospitals/aged care facilities
• If you’re outdoors and cannot keep a 1.5m distance between you and other people, you need to wear on then too

So if you’re outdoors in public alone and are definitely more than 1.5m away from everyone else, you don’t need to wear a mask. You do need to have one with you though, in case it’s needed.

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest/13165200

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Hmm. I mentioned yesterday that the stuff about changed mask rules in Victoria is ambiguous. Looking around various media outlets, some say it is back to what we had before the 5 day lockdown (must wear in supermarkets, shopping centres, public transport, when you can’t distance 1.5m etc), and some say must wear indoors when away from home. And the ABC and some others are rather confused about it, saying you must carry one at all times but need it only when you can’t distance…and in the next sentence say mandatory inside.

2 hours ago
By Kelsie Iorio
……………………………………………………………………………..

Mask rules in Victoria

………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Question:

Are masks mandatory indoors at all times and then only mandatory outdoors if you can physically distance? Or are both mandatory only if you can’t physically distance.

Can’t quite work out the grammar.

-Inclusive Or

………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Answer:

Here’s the deal with masks in Victoria as of today:

• You need to carry one with you at all times
• You must wear one in indoor public spaces
• You must wear one on public transport, in taxis and ride shares, on flights, in airports and in hospitals/aged care facilities
• If you’re outdoors and cannot keep a 1.5m distance between you and other people, you need to wear on then too

So if you’re outdoors in public alone and are definitely more than 1.5m away from everyone else, you don’t need to wear a mask. You do need to have one with you though, in case it’s needed.

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest/13165200

Many, if not most, news outlets are going with mandatory if you can’t distance. The confusion arises because of a lack of a comma on the official notice. It says something like:

Masks are mandatory inside (but not in the home) and outdoors if you cannot distance 1.5m.

For mandatory inside, there needs to be a comma after the closing bracket. As it is writ, it’s inside and outside if you can’t distance.

I pointed this out yesterday. I haven’t got the actual link saved

Apparently there is some clarification going on. This won’t go down well because it was poorly worded in the first place. And probably still is on the website.
——————————————————————————————————————————————

Mask up, Health Minister says

Martin Foley is talking about masks now.

“Face masks are mandatory indoors other than in your home, including workplaces,” he says. “They are also mandatory outdoors where it is busy and you cannot maintain physical distancing. “And you must take a mask with you wherever you go.”

He also reminded Victorians that you can only have five visitors to your home, and up to 20 people can gather in public.

———————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest/13165200

22m ago.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Hmm. I mentioned yesterday that the stuff about changed mask rules in Victoria is ambiguous. Looking around various media outlets, some say it is back to what we had before the 5 day lockdown (must wear in supermarkets, shopping centres, public transport, when you can’t distance 1.5m etc), and some say must wear indoors when away from home. And the ABC and some others are rather confused about it, saying you must carry one at all times but need it only when you can’t distance…and in the next sentence say mandatory inside.

2 hours ago
By Kelsie Iorio
……………………………………………………………………………..

Mask rules in Victoria

………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Question:

Are masks mandatory indoors at all times and then only mandatory outdoors if you can physically distance? Or are both mandatory only if you can’t physically distance.

Can’t quite work out the grammar.

-Inclusive Or

………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Answer:

Here’s the deal with masks in Victoria as of today:

• You need to carry one with you at all times
• You must wear one in indoor public spaces
• You must wear one on public transport, in taxis and ride shares, on flights, in airports and in hospitals/aged care facilities
• If you’re outdoors and cannot keep a 1.5m distance between you and other people, you need to wear on then too

So if you’re outdoors in public alone and are definitely more than 1.5m away from everyone else, you don’t need to wear a mask. You do need to have one with you though, in case it’s needed.

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest/13165200

Many, if not most, news outlets are going with mandatory if you can’t distance. The confusion arises because of a lack of a comma on the official notice. It says something like:

Masks are mandatory inside (but not in the home) and outdoors if you cannot distance 1.5m.

For mandatory inside, there needs to be a comma after the closing bracket. As it is writ, it’s inside and outside if you can’t distance.

I pointed this out yesterday. I haven’t got the actual link saved

I understand, and saw that yesterday, too. Personally, I’d go with the interpretation that provides the greater protection to society and individuals.

buffy said:

Apparently there is some clarification going on. This won’t go down well because it was poorly worded in the first place. And probably still is on the website.
——————————————————————————————————————————————

Mask up, Health Minister says

Martin Foley is talking about masks now.

“Face masks are mandatory indoors other than in your home, including workplaces,” he says. “They are also mandatory outdoors where it is busy and you cannot maintain physical distancing. “And you must take a mask with you wherever you go.”

He also reminded Victorians that you can only have five visitors to your home, and up to 20 people can gather in public.

———————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest/13165200

22m ago.

Well, there you have it.

They will have to update the Table of Restrictions. Not all people watch the talky talky bits. It seems to still say:

“Mandatory when inside (except in a residential home) and outdoors when cannot maintain 1.5m physical distancing (unless a lawful exemption applies).”

I can’t find the Table of Restrictions that was tweeted yesterday now.

Here is the pdf link. I prefer to read the source rather than what a news outlet might interpret it as. Took me a while to find it.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-02/210217%20-%20Full%20list%20of%20restrictions.pdf

buffy said:

Here is the pdf link. I prefer to read the source rather than what a news outlet might interpret it as. Took me a while to find it.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-02/210217%20-%20Full%20list%20of%20restrictions.pdf

I don’t understand why you’re so keen to know whether or not to wear your mask in various situations. I just wear mine out and about regardless.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Here is the pdf link. I prefer to read the source rather than what a news outlet might interpret it as. Took me a while to find it.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-02/210217%20-%20Full%20list%20of%20restrictions.pdf

I don’t understand why you’re so keen to know whether or not to wear your mask in various situations. I just wear mine out and about regardless.

Because I’m a face sweater and actually I physically drip from the face on days warmer than about 25 degrees. My mask gets wringing wet in no time. Which is unpleasant and probably not particularly good for anyone.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Here is the pdf link. I prefer to read the source rather than what a news outlet might interpret it as. Took me a while to find it.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-02/210217%20-%20Full%20list%20of%20restrictions.pdf

I don’t understand why you’re so keen to know whether or not to wear your mask in various situations. I just wear mine out and about regardless.

Because I’m a face sweater and actually I physically drip from the face on days warmer than about 25 degrees. My mask gets wringing wet in no time. Which is unpleasant and probably not particularly good for anyone.

Sucks to be you.

dang well these masque rules are a far cry* from places like ASIA especially Hong Kong where masks were illegal for half of 2019 until their Western Agents Provocateurs managed to engineer the various precursors to SARS-CoV-2 into a superbug to give them a medical reason for wearing them

*: far cough

you think we joke but the serious bit is probably them precursors that they keep finding in Italian Spanish samples just needed a high density high risk place like Wuhan to get mixed, and then a highly surveilled place like Wuhan probably identified the problem first

tell us we’re wrong

SCIENCE said:

dang well these masque rules are a far cry* from places like ASIA especially Hong Kong where masks were illegal for half of 2019 until their Western Agents Provocateurs managed to engineer the various precursors to SARS-CoV-2 into a superbug to give them a medical reason for wearing them

*: far cough

you think we joke but the serious bit is probably them precursors that they keep finding in Italian Spanish samples just needed a high density high risk place like Wuhan to get mixed, and then a highly surveilled place like Wuhan probably identified the problem first

tell us we’re wrong

I’ve been wondering if the possible overseas cases before Wuhan were normal seasonal coronavirus variants that had not yet turned deadly but react to Covid19 tests nonetheless.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t understand why you’re so keen to know whether or not to wear your mask in various situations. I just wear mine out and about regardless.

Because I’m a face sweater and actually I physically drip from the face on days warmer than about 25 degrees. My mask gets wringing wet in no time. Which is unpleasant and probably not particularly good for anyone.

Sucks to be you.

there are probably mask designs or add ons to address that problem but hey we use vaccine herd immunity to protect the autism conscientious objectors so we can probably afford to go ahead and rely on masked wool-pulled-over-our-eyes flock immunity to protect the 5G nomaskers

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

dang well these masque rules are a far cry* from places like ASIA especially Hong Kong where masks were illegal for half of 2019 until their Western Agents Provocateurs managed to engineer the various precursors to SARS-CoV-2 into a superbug to give them a medical reason for wearing them

*: far cough

you think we joke but the serious bit is probably them precursors that they keep finding in Italian Spanish samples just needed a high density high risk place like Wuhan to get mixed, and then a highly surveilled place like Wuhan probably identified the problem first

tell us we’re wrong

I’ve been wondering if the possible overseas cases before Wuhan were normal seasonal coronavirus variants that had not yet turned deadly but react to Covid19 tests nonetheless.

probably some turning deadly, you do hear reports of various people getting unusual respiratory infections in 2019 that were “unusual”, all in Biased Hindsight of course but who really knows

then there were those January 2020 rumours of preceding respiratory outbreaks being misdiagnosed but again, we’re not close to those sources so we don’t know

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

dang well these masque rules are a far cry* from places like ASIA especially Hong Kong where masks were illegal for half of 2019 until their Western Agents Provocateurs managed to engineer the various precursors to SARS-CoV-2 into a superbug to give them a medical reason for wearing them

*: far cough

you think we joke but the serious bit is probably them precursors that they keep finding in Italian Spanish samples just needed a high density high risk place like Wuhan to get mixed, and then a highly surveilled place like Wuhan probably identified the problem first

tell us we’re wrong

I’ve been wondering if the possible overseas cases before Wuhan were normal seasonal coronavirus variants that had not yet turned deadly but react to Covid19 tests nonetheless.

Should be able to genome them now there is a library. I think it was viral bits rather than antibody tests done on the samples taken for other research. I’d have to go back and find the papers again.

Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.10.21251247v1

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) Covid-19 vaccine against the B.1.351 variant in South Africa

randomized multicentre, double blinded controlled trial on safety and efficacy of ChAdOx1-nCoV19 in HIV-uninfected people in South Africa

The B.1.351 variant showed increased resistance to vaccinee sera using the PSVNA and LVNA. In the primary endpoint analysis, 23/717 (3.2%) placebo and 19/750 (2.5%) vaccine recipients developed mild-moderate Covid-19; VE 21.9% (95%Confidence Interval: −49.9; 59.8). Of the primary endpoint cases, 39/42 (92.9%) were the B.1.351 variant; against which VE was 10.4% (95%CI: −76.8; 54.8) analyzed as a secondary objective.

SCIENCE said:

Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.10.21251247v1

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) Covid-19 vaccine against the B.1.351 variant in South Africa

randomized multicentre, double blinded controlled trial on safety and efficacy of ChAdOx1-nCoV19 in HIV-uninfected people in South Africa

The B.1.351 variant showed increased resistance to vaccinee sera using the PSVNA and LVNA. In the primary endpoint analysis, 23/717 (3.2%) placebo and 19/750 (2.5%) vaccine recipients developed mild-moderate Covid-19; VE 21.9% (95%Confidence Interval: −49.9; 59.8). Of the primary endpoint cases, 39/42 (92.9%) were the B.1.351 variant; against which VE was 10.4% (95%CI: −76.8; 54.8) analyzed as a secondary objective.

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.10.21251247v1

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) Covid-19 vaccine against the B.1.351 variant in South Africa

randomized multicentre, double blinded controlled trial on safety and efficacy of ChAdOx1-nCoV19 in HIV-uninfected people in South Africa

The B.1.351 variant showed increased resistance to vaccinee sera using the PSVNA and LVNA. In the primary endpoint analysis, 23/717 (3.2%) placebo and 19/750 (2.5%) vaccine recipients developed mild-moderate Covid-19; VE 21.9% (95%Confidence Interval: −49.9; 59.8). Of the primary endpoint cases, 39/42 (92.9%) were the B.1.351 variant; against which VE was 10.4% (95%CI: −76.8; 54.8) analyzed as a secondary objective.

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

There’s a second new variant in England (Bristol) that seems to be doing the same. There is a race against time to try and control that one from exploding too, while they are already struggling with the first UK variant.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.10.21251247v1

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) Covid-19 vaccine against the B.1.351 variant in South Africa

randomized multicentre, double blinded controlled trial on safety and efficacy of ChAdOx1-nCoV19 in HIV-uninfected people in South Africa

The B.1.351 variant showed increased resistance to vaccinee sera using the PSVNA and LVNA. In the primary endpoint analysis, 23/717 (3.2%) placebo and 19/750 (2.5%) vaccine recipients developed mild-moderate Covid-19; VE 21.9% (95%Confidence Interval: −49.9; 59.8). Of the primary endpoint cases, 39/42 (92.9%) were the B.1.351 variant; against which VE was 10.4% (95%CI: −76.8; 54.8) analyzed as a secondary objective.

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

There’s a second new variant in England (Bristol) that seems to be doing the same. There is a race against time to try and control that one from exploding too, while they are already struggling with the first UK variant.

The vaccines seem to be ok against the UK variant, haven’t heard about the Bristol variant.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.10.21251247v1

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) Covid-19 vaccine against the B.1.351 variant in South Africa

randomized multicentre, double blinded controlled trial on safety and efficacy of ChAdOx1-nCoV19 in HIV-uninfected people in South Africa

The B.1.351 variant showed increased resistance to vaccinee sera using the PSVNA and LVNA. In the primary endpoint analysis, 23/717 (3.2%) placebo and 19/750 (2.5%) vaccine recipients developed mild-moderate Covid-19; VE 21.9% (95%Confidence Interval: −49.9; 59.8). Of the primary endpoint cases, 39/42 (92.9%) were the B.1.351 variant; against which VE was 10.4% (95%CI: −76.8; 54.8) analyzed as a secondary objective.

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

¿ref for “None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant”?

So you agree that flock immunity or relying on immunisation as the exit strategy was fucking stupid.

You seem to be searching for secondary meanings in what others say as if it’s always about how bad the government’s response is, which may or may not represent a guilty conscience.

The fact remains: Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless. We(1,0,1)’d interpret that as “try to get another shot if possible” but everyone’s entitled to their own interpretation.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

There’s a second new variant in England (Bristol) that seems to be doing the same. There is a race against time to try and control that one from exploding too, while they are already struggling with the first UK variant.

The vaccines seem to be ok against the UK variant, haven’t heard about the Bristol variant.

The first UK variant is now called Kent.

My previous employer emailed me today to tell me they’ve identified me as a priority 1a. My current employer has not…

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.10.21251247v1

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) Covid-19 vaccine against the B.1.351 variant in South Africa

randomized multicentre, double blinded controlled trial on safety and efficacy of ChAdOx1-nCoV19 in HIV-uninfected people in South Africa

The B.1.351 variant showed increased resistance to vaccinee sera using the PSVNA and LVNA. In the primary endpoint analysis, 23/717 (3.2%) placebo and 19/750 (2.5%) vaccine recipients developed mild-moderate Covid-19; VE 21.9% (95%Confidence Interval: −49.9; 59.8). Of the primary endpoint cases, 39/42 (92.9%) were the B.1.351 variant; against which VE was 10.4% (95%CI: −76.8; 54.8) analyzed as a secondary objective.

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

There’s a second new variant in England (Bristol) that seems to be doing the same. There is a race against time to try and control that one from exploding too, while they are already struggling with the first UK variant.

surely doing something to maximally interrupt ongoing transmission (let’s call it MIOT strategy) would prevent these explosions, and there wouldn’t be a race against time, indeed, the longer we let MIOT run for, the safer it’s going to be even if we can’t supply enough vaccine or convince everyone to take vaccine

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.10.21251247v1

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) Covid-19 vaccine against the B.1.351 variant in South Africa

randomized multicentre, double blinded controlled trial on safety and efficacy of ChAdOx1-nCoV19 in HIV-uninfected people in South Africa

The B.1.351 variant showed increased resistance to vaccinee sera using the PSVNA and LVNA. In the primary endpoint analysis, 23/717 (3.2%) placebo and 19/750 (2.5%) vaccine recipients developed mild-moderate Covid-19; VE 21.9% (95%Confidence Interval: −49.9; 59.8). Of the primary endpoint cases, 39/42 (92.9%) were the B.1.351 variant; against which VE was 10.4% (95%CI: −76.8; 54.8) analyzed as a secondary objective.

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

¿ref for “None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant”?

So you agree that flock immunity or relying on immunisation as the exit strategy was fucking stupid.

You seem to be searching for secondary meanings in what others say as if it’s always about how bad the government’s response is, which may or may not represent a guilty conscience.

The fact remains: Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless. We(1,0,1)’d interpret that as “try to get another shot if possible” but everyone’s entitled to their own interpretation.

Much as it pains me to agree with PWM, I don’t see how “Vaccine Up To 90% Useless” can be interpreted as “try to get another shot”.

OCDC said:

My previous employer emailed me today to tell me they’ve identified me as a priority 1a. My current employer has not…

but when do you line up and get shot like they do to whistleblower doctors in CHINA

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

My previous employer emailed me today to tell me they’ve identified me as a priority 1a. My current employer has not…

but when do you line up and get shot like they do to whistleblower doctors in CHINA

I eagerly await meeting my new CHINESE overlords.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant, This variant is even infecting people who have recovered from covid at the same rate as those who haven’t been infected.
The endless search for something bad to say against the government’s response to Covid is pathetic.

¿ref for “None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant”?

So you agree that flock immunity or relying on immunisation as the exit strategy was fucking stupid.

You seem to be searching for secondary meanings in what others say as if it’s always about how bad the government’s response is, which may or may not represent a guilty conscience.

The fact remains: Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless. We(1,0,1)’d interpret that as “try to get another shot if possible” but everyone’s entitled to their own interpretation.

Much as it pains me to agree with PWM, I don’t see how “Vaccine Up To 90% Useless” can be interpreted as “try to get another shot”.

¿ so you would rather stick with the 90% useless vaccine, than try to get another vaccine that is (1) available and (2) so far according to hearsay superior in efficacy ?

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ref for “None of the vaccines are much good against the SA variant”?

So you agree that flock immunity or relying on immunisation as the exit strategy was fucking stupid.

You seem to be searching for secondary meanings in what others say as if it’s always about how bad the government’s response is, which may or may not represent a guilty conscience.

The fact remains: Australian Government’s Favoured AstraZeneca Vaccine Up To 90% Useless. We(1,0,1)’d interpret that as “try to get another shot if possible” but everyone’s entitled to their own interpretation.

Much as it pains me to agree with PWM, I don’t see how “Vaccine Up To 90% Useless” can be interpreted as “try to get another shot”.

¿ so you would rather stick with the 90% useless vaccine, than try to get another vaccine that is (1) available and (2) so far according to hearsay superior in efficacy ?

Oh, you meant a different vaccine, rather than another shot of the same vaccine?

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

My previous employer emailed me today to tell me they’ve identified me as a priority 1a. My current employer has not…

but when do you line up and get shot like they do to whistleblower doctors in CHINA

I eagerly await meeting my new CHINESE overlords.

ah Eastern Health, such luxury

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

but when do you line up and get shot like they do to whistleblower doctors in CHINA

I eagerly await meeting my new CHINESE overlords.

ah Eastern Health, such luxury

rcr

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Much as it pains me to agree with PWM, I don’t see how “Vaccine Up To 90% Useless” can be interpreted as “try to get another shot”.

¿ so you would rather stick with the 90% useless vaccine, than try to get another vaccine that is (1) available and (2) so far according to hearsay superior in efficacy ?

Oh, you meant a different vaccine, rather than another shot of the same vaccine?

sorry yes, we apologise for not being clear enough earlier

from one of the Westies

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

I eagerly await meeting my new CHINESE overlords.

ah Eastern Health, such luxury

rcr

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

ah Eastern Health, such luxury

rcr

Heh.

Also, before the trolls derailed the non-facebook-google-newsreel, we saw more Good News From South Africa.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n334

Covid-19 deaths in Africa: prospective systematic postmortem surveillance study

Zambia’s largest tertiary care referral hospital.

The median age at death among people with a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 was 48 (interquartile range 36-72) years, and 69% (n=48) were male.

SARS-CoV-2 was detected in 58/364 (15.9%) according to the recommended cycle threshold value of <40 and in 70/364 (19.2%) when expanded to any level of PCR detection.

However, few people who died at facilities were tested, despite presenting with typical symptoms of covid-19. Therefore, cases of covid-19 were under-reported because testing was rarely done not because covid-19 was rare. If these data are generalizable, the impact of covid-19 in Africa has been vastly underestimated.

US, EU, and China. In those populations, the proportion of deaths is virtually nil in people under age 50 and almost entirely concentrated in those 65 and above, with deaths in children being almost undetectably few. By contrast, 10% of deaths in Lusaka were in children

OK really going now.

‘6.2cm-tall man’ offered priority Covid vaccine after NHS blunder

A 32-year-old man with no underlying health conditions was offered a Covid vaccine early because of a blunder at his GP surgery which recorded him as being 6.2cm tall, giving him an astonishing body mass index (BMI) of 28,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/18/6cm-tall-man-offered-covid-vaccine-after-nhs-blunder-liam-thorp

Three new local COVID-19 cases linked to the Holiday Inn cluster have emerged in Victoria a day after the state emerged from its ‘circuit-breaker’ lockdown.

Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the three people who have tested positive to the virus were already isolating at home during their infectious period.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/three-new-covid-19-cases-linked-to-holiday-inn-cluster-emerge-20210219-p573wq.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Three new local COVID-19 cases linked to the Holiday Inn cluster have emerged in Victoria a day after the state emerged from its ‘circuit-breaker’ lockdown.

Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the three people who have tested positive to the virus were already isolating at home during their infectious period.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/three-new-covid-19-cases-linked-to-holiday-inn-cluster-emerge-20210219-p573wq.html

I think I predicted three. I might have said two. Mr buffy and I joked about this last night.

This is a really odd selection of places.
———————————————————————————————————-

Here’s the list of Victorian towns/suburbs that are set to receive supplies of the vaccine next week (bear in mind these doses will be for people who fall into phase 1a of the rollout plan):

Altona Meadows | Ballarat | Ballarat East | Bayswater | Bendigo | Blackburn | California Gully | Canadian | Cowes | Cranbourne | Cranbourne East | Creswick | Dandenong | Dandenong North | Delacombe | Drouin | Drysdale | East Bendigo | Forest Hill | Heathmont | Hoppers Crossing | Ironbark | Junction Village | Lara | Long Gully | Moe | Morwell | Mount Clear | Neerim South | Newborough | Nunawading | Ocean Grove | Point Cook | Point Lonsdale | Portarlington | Ringwood | Vermont | Vermont South | Wallington | Wantirna | Wantirna South | Warragul | Wendouree | Werribee

——————————————————————————-

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-healthcare/13170014

33m ago.

Nothing for Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area at all. I’m pretty sure there are older folk and health workers there too. Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold. But…planes?

buffy said:

This is a really odd selection of places.
———————————————————————————————————-

Here’s the list of Victorian towns/suburbs that are set to receive supplies of the vaccine next week (bear in mind these doses will be for people who fall into phase 1a of the rollout plan):

Altona Meadows | Ballarat | Ballarat East | Bayswater | Bendigo | Blackburn | California Gully | Canadian | Cowes | Cranbourne | Cranbourne East | Creswick | Dandenong | Dandenong North | Delacombe | Drouin | Drysdale | East Bendigo | Forest Hill | Heathmont | Hoppers Crossing | Ironbark | Junction Village | Lara | Long Gully | Moe | Morwell | Mount Clear | Neerim South | Newborough | Nunawading | Ocean Grove | Point Cook | Point Lonsdale | Portarlington | Ringwood | Vermont | Vermont South | Wallington | Wantirna | Wantirna South | Warragul | Wendouree | Werribee

——————————————————————————-

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-healthcare/13170014

33m ago.

Nothing for Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area at all. I’m pretty sure there are older folk and health workers there too. Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold. But…planes?

OK I looked at a map. Looks like a finger into Gippsland, but in general just Melbourne area.

buffy said:

This is a really odd selection of places.
———————————————————————————————————-

Here’s the list of Victorian towns/suburbs that are set to receive supplies of the vaccine next week (bear in mind these doses will be for people who fall into phase 1a of the rollout plan):

Altona Meadows | Ballarat | Ballarat East | Bayswater | Bendigo | Blackburn | California Gully | Canadian | Cowes | Cranbourne | Cranbourne East | Creswick | Dandenong | Dandenong North | Delacombe | Drouin | Drysdale | East Bendigo | Forest Hill | Heathmont | Hoppers Crossing | Ironbark | Junction Village | Lara | Long Gully | Moe | Morwell | Mount Clear | Neerim South | Newborough | Nunawading | Ocean Grove | Point Cook | Point Lonsdale | Portarlington | Ringwood | Vermont | Vermont South | Wallington | Wantirna | Wantirna South | Warragul | Wendouree | Werribee

——————————————————————————-

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-healthcare/13170014

33m ago.

Nothing for Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area at all. I’m pretty sure there are older folk and health workers there too. Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold. But…planes?

> Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold

My guess, too. Also, how many cases of Covid have there been in the past two months in the Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area?

buffy said:

This is a really odd selection of places.
———————————————————————————————————-

Here’s the list of Victorian towns/suburbs that are set to receive supplies of the vaccine next week (bear in mind these doses will be for people who fall into phase 1a of the rollout plan):

Altona Meadows | Ballarat | Ballarat East | Bayswater | Bendigo | Blackburn | California Gully | Canadian | Cowes | Cranbourne | Cranbourne East | Creswick | Dandenong | Dandenong North | Delacombe | Drouin | Drysdale | East Bendigo | Forest Hill | Heathmont | Hoppers Crossing | Ironbark | Junction Village | Lara | Long Gully | Moe | Morwell | Mount Clear | Neerim South | Newborough | Nunawading | Ocean Grove | Point Cook | Point Lonsdale | Portarlington | Ringwood | Vermont | Vermont South | Wallington | Wantirna | Wantirna South | Warragul | Wendouree | Werribee

——————————————————————————-

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-healthcare/13170014

33m ago.

Nothing for Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area at all. I’m pretty sure there are older folk and health workers there too. Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold. But…planes?

If it’s Pfizer it only needs ultra cold for long term storage. 6 hours at fridge temperature before use I think.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

This is a really odd selection of places.
———————————————————————————————————-

Here’s the list of Victorian towns/suburbs that are set to receive supplies of the vaccine next week (bear in mind these doses will be for people who fall into phase 1a of the rollout plan):

Altona Meadows | Ballarat | Ballarat East | Bayswater | Bendigo | Blackburn | California Gully | Canadian | Cowes | Cranbourne | Cranbourne East | Creswick | Dandenong | Dandenong North | Delacombe | Drouin | Drysdale | East Bendigo | Forest Hill | Heathmont | Hoppers Crossing | Ironbark | Junction Village | Lara | Long Gully | Moe | Morwell | Mount Clear | Neerim South | Newborough | Nunawading | Ocean Grove | Point Cook | Point Lonsdale | Portarlington | Ringwood | Vermont | Vermont South | Wallington | Wantirna | Wantirna South | Warragul | Wendouree | Werribee

——————————————————————————-

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-healthcare/13170014

33m ago.

Nothing for Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area at all. I’m pretty sure there are older folk and health workers there too. Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold. But…planes?

If it’s Pfizer it only needs ultra cold for long term storage. 6 hours at fridge temperature before use I think.

They can’t stick in in your arm at -70

14 arrested so far.

Melbourne eh.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/police-arrest-14-people-over-hoon-meet-in-st-kilda/13171126

Our Prime Minister, hey. If you don’t fancy being a bit nauseous this morning, don’t read this from a speech he is giving in Sydney at the moment. (on the ABC live updates COVID thing)

“I’ve said on many occasions I’ve never felt more proud to be an Australian but I’m very proud of my home state too, I’ve got to say, Gladys. The leadership you’ve shown, together with Brad and the whole team, but particularly the health professionals and workers here in New South Wales have done, I’ve got to say, I think, the best in the world. “And, you know, you think about a city and sophisticated as amazing as my home city of Sydney and what Sydney, in particular, has been able to achieve when you compare it to places like New York, London, Paris and so many of the great cities of the world, and I tell you what, Sydney shines on a bright day, as we all know, but it certainly has shined here during the course of this pandemic under your leadership Gladys and Brad and all the amazing health workers we have here in this state.”

buffy said:

Our Prime Minister, hey. If you don’t fancy being a bit nauseous this morning, don’t read this from a speech he is giving in Sydney at the moment. (on the ABC live updates COVID thing)

“I’ve said on many occasions I’ve never felt more proud to be an Australian but I’m very proud of my home state too, I’ve got to say, Gladys. The leadership you’ve shown, together with Brad and the whole team, but particularly the health professionals and workers here in New South Wales have done, I’ve got to say, I think, the best in the world. “And, you know, you think about a city and sophisticated as amazing as my home city of Sydney and what Sydney, in particular, has been able to achieve when you compare it to places like New York, London, Paris and so many of the great cities of the world, and I tell you what, Sydney shines on a bright day, as we all know, but it certainly has shined here during the course of this pandemic under your leadership Gladys and Brad and all the amazing health workers we have here in this state.”

Does he now work for Tourism NSW?

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

This is a really odd selection of places.
———————————————————————————————————-

Here’s the list of Victorian towns/suburbs that are set to receive supplies of the vaccine next week (bear in mind these doses will be for people who fall into phase 1a of the rollout plan):

Altona Meadows | Ballarat | Ballarat East | Bayswater | Bendigo | Blackburn | California Gully | Canadian | Cowes | Cranbourne | Cranbourne East | Creswick | Dandenong | Dandenong North | Delacombe | Drouin | Drysdale | East Bendigo | Forest Hill | Heathmont | Hoppers Crossing | Ironbark | Junction Village | Lara | Long Gully | Moe | Morwell | Mount Clear | Neerim South | Newborough | Nunawading | Ocean Grove | Point Cook | Point Lonsdale | Portarlington | Ringwood | Vermont | Vermont South | Wallington | Wantirna | Wantirna South | Warragul | Wendouree | Werribee

——————————————————————————-

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-healthcare/13170014

33m ago.

Nothing for Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area at all. I’m pretty sure there are older folk and health workers there too. Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold. But…planes?

> Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold

My guess, too. Also, how many cases of Covid have there been in the past two months in the Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area?

Yes, probably more related to where the cases have been recently. I don’t have any particularly obsessive thoughts about this vaccine. It’s going to be difficult to know how well it works because we have no idea of the level of immunity in the community from asymptomatic spread over the past 12 months. But it probably won’t do actual harm.

buffy said:

Our Prime Minister, hey. If you don’t fancy being a bit nauseous this morning, don’t read this from a speech he is giving in Sydney at the moment. (on the ABC live updates COVID thing)

“I’ve said on many occasions I’ve never felt more proud to be an Australian but I’m very proud of my home state too, I’ve got to say, Gladys. The leadership you’ve shown, together with Brad and the whole team, but particularly the health professionals and workers here in New South Wales have done, I’ve got to say, I think, the best in the world. “And, you know, you think about a city and sophisticated as amazing as my home city of Sydney and what Sydney, in particular, has been able to achieve when you compare it to places like New York, London, Paris and so many of the great cities of the world, and I tell you what, Sydney shines on a bright day, as we all know, but it certainly has shined here during the course of this pandemic under your leadership Gladys and Brad and all the amazing health workers we have here in this state.”

vomit emoticon.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

This is a really odd selection of places.
———————————————————————————————————-

Here’s the list of Victorian towns/suburbs that are set to receive supplies of the vaccine next week (bear in mind these doses will be for people who fall into phase 1a of the rollout plan):

Altona Meadows | Ballarat | Ballarat East | Bayswater | Bendigo | Blackburn | California Gully | Canadian | Cowes | Cranbourne | Cranbourne East | Creswick | Dandenong | Dandenong North | Delacombe | Drouin | Drysdale | East Bendigo | Forest Hill | Heathmont | Hoppers Crossing | Ironbark | Junction Village | Lara | Long Gully | Moe | Morwell | Mount Clear | Neerim South | Newborough | Nunawading | Ocean Grove | Point Cook | Point Lonsdale | Portarlington | Ringwood | Vermont | Vermont South | Wallington | Wantirna | Wantirna South | Warragul | Wendouree | Werribee

——————————————————————————-

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-healthcare/13170014

33m ago.

Nothing for Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area at all. I’m pretty sure there are older folk and health workers there too. Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold. But…planes?

> Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold

My guess, too. Also, how many cases of Covid have there been in the past two months in the Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area?

Yes, probably more related to where the cases have been recently. I don’t have any particularly obsessive thoughts about this vaccine. It’s going to be difficult to know how well it works because we have no idea of the level of immunity in the community from asymptomatic spread over the past 12 months. But it probably won’t do actual harm.

Probably do no harm?

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Mr buffy says they are all within about 110k from Melbourne and it’s probably related to keeping the thing cold

My guess, too. Also, how many cases of Covid have there been in the past two months in the Ararat/Mildura/Horsham area?

Yes, probably more related to where the cases have been recently. I don’t have any particularly obsessive thoughts about this vaccine. It’s going to be difficult to know how well it works because we have no idea of the level of immunity in the community from asymptomatic spread over the past 12 months. But it probably won’t do actual harm.

Probably do no harm?

Well, not much, anyway. There will undoubtedly be a few people who react badly, as with all vaccines and medicines. You can probably count on the press to blow them out of proportion.

> we have no idea of the level of immunity in the community from asymptomatic spread over the past 12 months.

Negligible. Not enough people were infected in Oz to get any level of natural vaccination in the community.

Not even enough cases in the USA to get a big level (5% or 10% is it?) of natural vaccination.

buffy said:

Our Prime Minister, hey. If you don’t fancy being a bit nauseous this morning, don’t read this from a speech he is giving in Sydney at the moment. (on the ABC live updates COVID thing)

“I’ve said on many occasions I’ve never felt more proud to be an Australian but I’m very proud of my home state too, I’ve got to say, Gladys. The leadership you’ve shown, together with Brad and the whole team, but particularly the health professionals and workers here in New South Wales have done, I’ve got to say, I think, the best in the world. “And, you know, you think about a city and sophisticated as amazing as my home city of Sydney and what Sydney, in particular, has been able to achieve when you compare it to places like New York, London, Paris and so many of the great cities of the world, and I tell you what, Sydney shines on a bright day, as we all know, but it certainly has shined here during the course of this pandemic under your leadership Gladys and Brad and all the amazing health workers we have here in this state.”

Give the bloke a break.

He didn’t actually mention Melbourne by name, did he?

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Our Prime Minister, hey. If you don’t fancy being a bit nauseous this morning, don’t read this from a speech he is giving in Sydney at the moment. (on the ABC live updates COVID thing)

“I’ve said on many occasions I’ve never felt more proud to be an Australian but I’m very proud of my home state too, I’ve got to say, Gladys. The leadership you’ve shown, together with Brad and the whole team, but particularly the health professionals and workers here in New South Wales have done, I’ve got to say, I think, the best in the world. “And, you know, you think about a city and sophisticated as amazing as my home city of Sydney and what Sydney, in particular, has been able to achieve when you compare it to places like New York, London, Paris and so many of the great cities of the world, and I tell you what, Sydney shines on a bright day, as we all know, but it certainly has shined here during the course of this pandemic under your leadership Gladys and Brad and all the amazing health workers we have here in this state.”

Give the bloke a break.

He didn’t actually mention Melbourne by name, did he?

Even if there’s a hidden insult in it, I should think that Melburnians would be quite glad to hear a statement about coronavirus which doesn’t mention their city. For a change.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Our Prime Minister, hey. If you don’t fancy being a bit nauseous this morning, don’t read this from a speech he is giving in Sydney at the moment. (on the ABC live updates COVID thing)

“I’ve said on many occasions I’ve never felt more proud to be an Australian but I’m very proud of my home state too, I’ve got to say, Gladys. The leadership you’ve shown, together with Brad and the whole team, but particularly the health professionals and workers here in New South Wales have done, I’ve got to say, I think, the best in the world. “And, you know, you think about a city and sophisticated as amazing as my home city of Sydney and what Sydney, in particular, has been able to achieve when you compare it to places like New York, London, Paris and so many of the great cities of the world, and I tell you what, Sydney shines on a bright day, as we all know, but it certainly has shined here during the course of this pandemic under your leadership Gladys and Brad and all the amazing health workers we have here in this state.”

Give the bloke a break.

He didn’t actually mention Melbourne by name, did he?

Even if there’s a hidden insult in it, I should think that Melburnians would be quite glad to hear a statement about coronavirus which doesn’t mention their city. For a change.

And he did say great cities so that lets Melbun out.

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Give the bloke a break.

He didn’t actually mention Melbourne by name, did he?

Even if there’s a hidden insult in it, I should think that Melburnians would be quite glad to hear a statement about coronavirus which doesn’t mention their city. For a change.

And he did say great cities so that lets Melbun out.

OK, fair point :)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/joe-biden-us-pledge-billions-who-covax-vaccine-efforts/13171336

It seems like only yesterday that Trump quuit COVAX because of.. China virus.
What a relief it is to see some sensible government from the USA.

COVID claims another Anzac Day event over ‘safety of veterans’

By Fiona Blackwood
on Justin.

mollwollfumble said:

> we have no idea of the level of immunity in the community from asymptomatic spread over the past 12 months.

Negligible. Not enough people were infected in Oz to get any level of natural vaccination in the community.

Not even enough cases in the USA to get a big level (5% or 10% is it?) of natural vaccination.

I don’t think we can know this. We have not been looking for asymptomatics. In fact, we have made testing only for those with symptoms for the largest part of the time this thing has been recognized – and understanding that the Spanish and Italian findings from prior to December 2019 tend to throw a bit of a spanner in the works. And a large proportion of those with symptoms just had the usual colds and flu, ie tested negative to COVID19. Complicated further by the so called pre-symptomatic period, when they may have been very good and gone for a test at the slightest sniffle, tested negative because there was not yet sufficient viral load on the swabbed mucosa, and gone on to go through the disease part without ever knowing of it. It is an unknowable quantity. I suppose a large antibody testing trial could be set up of a population not selected for symptoms, but it won’t be, because there are more urgent needs to attend to.

Oh, and if anyone is interested, here is the latest on case fatality rates. With plenty of provisos.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

buffy said:

Oh, and if anyone is interested, here is the latest on case fatality rates. With plenty of provisos.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

Did that. Works well. :)

roughbarked said:

COVID claims another Anzac Day event over ‘safety of veterans’

By Fiona Blackwood
on Justin.

this seems totally reasonable and now almost unremarkable

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Our Prime Minister, hey. If you don’t fancy being a bit nauseous this morning, don’t read this from a speech he is giving in Sydney at the moment. (on the ABC live updates COVID thing)

“I’ve said on many occasions I’ve never felt more proud to be an Australian but I’m very proud of my home state too, I’ve got to say, Gladys. The leadership you’ve shown, together with Brad and the whole team, but particularly the health professionals and workers here in New South Wales have done, I’ve got to say, I think, the best in the world. “And, you know, you think about a city and sophisticated as amazing as my home city of Sydney and what Sydney, in particular, has been able to achieve when you compare it to places like New York, London, Paris and so many of the great cities of the world, and I tell you what, Sydney shines on a bright day, as we all know, but it certainly has shined here during the course of this pandemic under your leadership Gladys and Brad and all the amazing health workers we have here in this state.”

Give the bloke a break.

He didn’t actually mention Melbourne by name, did he?

2 stuff

(1) yes even though we love SYD all the way to the latrine, all that gushing does read rather emetic

(2) that Australian Pride thing after enjoying parliament rape allegations really does seem quite the VIC style though, or shall we say Collingwood, like Scotty like Eddie right

“As far as I can tell, the federal government doesn’t have a plan for vaccinating people who are housebound, and this is a massive oversight.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/gaps-in-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-and-who-will-have-to-wait/13158892

uh oversight by whom

it’s not like “people who are housebound” are exactly out there in the wider community spreading infection around right

maybe the useless proud-day federal government will be immunising … let’s see … for example … carers … who would then not be spreading infection to “people who are housebound”

⚠ this post is invisible to Peak Warming Man

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

> we have no idea of the level of immunity in the community from asymptomatic spread over the past 12 months.

Negligible. Not enough people were infected in Oz to get any level of natural vaccination in the community.

Not even enough cases in the USA to get a big level (5% or 10% is it?) of natural vaccination.

I don’t think we can know this. We have not been looking for asymptomatics. In fact, we have made testing only for those with symptoms for the largest part of the time this thing has been recognized – and understanding that the Spanish and Italian findings from prior to December 2019 tend to throw a bit of a spanner in the works. And a large proportion of those with symptoms just had the usual colds and flu, ie tested negative to COVID19. Complicated further by the so called pre-symptomatic period, when they may have been very good and gone for a test at the slightest sniffle, tested negative because there was not yet sufficient viral load on the swabbed mucosa, and gone on to go through the disease part without ever knowing of it. It is an unknowable quantity. I suppose a large antibody testing trial could be set up of a population not selected for symptoms, but it won’t be, because there are more urgent needs to attend to.

(pretty sure AU have tested extensively and other elimination places have too… but anyway)

we put it to everyone that the ongoing clamour over preexisting immunity is not going to save anyone

notwithstanding the emergence of various strains

very simply that preexisting immunity clearly didn’t save us from a pandemic

you can argue up and down and aR_ound and aR_ound but whatever you think the reproduction number is, the reproduction behaviour of this disease in practice is what we have seen

unless there is an exceptional population of course, we all are exceptional populations

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

> we have no idea of the level of immunity in the community from asymptomatic spread over the past 12 months.

Negligible. Not enough people were infected in Oz to get any level of natural vaccination in the community.

Not even enough cases in the USA to get a big level (5% or 10% is it?) of natural vaccination.

I don’t think we can know this. We have not been looking for asymptomatics. In fact, we have made testing only for those with symptoms for the largest part of the time this thing has been recognized – and understanding that the Spanish and Italian findings from prior to December 2019 tend to throw a bit of a spanner in the works. And a large proportion of those with symptoms just had the usual colds and flu, ie tested negative to COVID19. Complicated further by the so called pre-symptomatic period, when they may have been very good and gone for a test at the slightest sniffle, tested negative because there was not yet sufficient viral load on the swabbed mucosa, and gone on to go through the disease part without ever knowing of it. It is an unknowable quantity. I suppose a large antibody testing trial could be set up of a population not selected for symptoms, but it won’t be, because there are more urgent needs to attend to.

(pretty sure AU have tested extensively and other elimination places have too… but anyway)

we put it to everyone that the ongoing clamour over preexisting immunity is not going to save anyone

notwithstanding the emergence of various strains

very simply that preexisting immunity clearly didn’t save us from a pandemic

you can argue up and down and aR_ound and aR_ound but whatever you think the reproduction number is, the reproduction behaviour of this disease in practice is what we have seen

unless there is an exceptional population of course, we all are exceptional populations

(pretty sure AU have tested extensively and other elimination places have too… but anyway)

I’m pretty sure you are in Victoria. Here, it has been testing on symptoms (which then becomes a selected population), probably until this latest shutdown really. And it’s still really “get tested if you’ve got symptoms”. There has been no general population testing that I am aware of.

I’m pretty sure you are in Victoria. Here, it has been

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I don’t think we can know this. We have not been looking for asymptomatics. In fact, we have made testing only for those with symptoms for the largest part of the time this thing has been recognized – and understanding that the Spanish and Italian findings from prior to December 2019 tend to throw a bit of a spanner in the works. And a large proportion of those with symptoms just had the usual colds and flu, ie tested negative to COVID19. Complicated further by the so called pre-symptomatic period, when they may have been very good and gone for a test at the slightest sniffle, tested negative because there was not yet sufficient viral load on the swabbed mucosa, and gone on to go through the disease part without ever knowing of it. It is an unknowable quantity. I suppose a large antibody testing trial could be set up of a population not selected for symptoms, but it won’t be, because there are more urgent needs to attend to.

(pretty sure AU have tested extensively and other elimination places have too… but anyway)

we put it to everyone that the ongoing clamour over preexisting immunity is not going to save anyone

notwithstanding the emergence of various strains

very simply that preexisting immunity clearly didn’t save us from a pandemic

you can argue up and down and aR_ound and aR_ound but whatever you think the reproduction number is, the reproduction behaviour of this disease in practice is what we have seen

unless there is an exceptional population of course, we all are exceptional populations

(pretty sure AU have tested extensively and other elimination places have too… but anyway)

I’m pretty sure you are in Victoria. Here, it has been testing on symptoms (which then becomes a selected population), probably until this latest shutdown really. And it’s still really “get tested if you’ve got symptoms”. There has been no general population testing that I am aware of.

Fair, we haven’t got the numbers on how many tests are symptom-based and how many are surveillance (but anyone else able to front some up please do). The advice from health authorities around the country in response to many of the outbreaks (not just recently) did include “if you have been here XYZ, go and get tested and isolate, even if you have no symptoms”. (Recent) example below.

We do mean though with things like Almost half a million tests, zero positives: how statistics show we can be confident COVID-19 is gone from Victoria (it was easier to find the chart below, NSW courtesy NSW) the super low test-positivity would suggest there haven’t been a huge run of asymptomatics. Otherwise you’d see more outbreaks, or we had an exceptional variant that only produced asymptomatics.

The latest on surveillance (which we presume to also mean not-necessarily-symptomatic, just go and get tested if you’re a contact) (at https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/surveillance-testing-industry-list-covid-19) does say that the directions “came into effect as at 6 December 2020 from 11:59pm” though they’ve obviously been updated since.

Now “close contacts” and “workers at risk” might not be quite “absolutely representative samples of the general population” but they’re probably a reasonable starting point.

separately…

apparently the news there is good enough that they’re writing about it

⚠ we (1) make no judgement on the validity of their explanations and (2) are having lunch

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/why-covid-19-cases-are-falling-so-fast/618041/

COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?

Four reasons: social distancing, seasonality, seroprevalence, and shots.

SCIENCE said:

separately…

apparently the news there is good enough that they’re writing about it

⚠ we (1) make no judgement on the validity of their explanations and (2) are having lunch

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/why-covid-19-cases-are-falling-so-fast/618041/

COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?

Four reasons: social distancing, seasonality, seroprevalence, and shots.

Rates of infection in India have been falling rapidly for reasons not really yet known. I expect the global stats are reflective of this.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

separately…

apparently the news there is good enough that they’re writing about it

⚠ we (1) make no judgement on the validity of their explanations and (2) are having lunch

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/why-covid-19-cases-are-falling-so-fast/618041/

COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?

Four reasons: social distancing, seasonality, seroprevalence, and shots.

Rates of infection in India have been falling rapidly for reasons not really yet known. I expect the global stats are reflective of this.

haven’t been there recently

what are your thoughts on what those reasons might be

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

separately…

apparently the news there is good enough that they’re writing about it

⚠ we (1) make no judgement on the validity of their explanations and (2) are having lunch

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/why-covid-19-cases-are-falling-so-fast/618041/

COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?

Four reasons: social distancing, seasonality, seroprevalence, and shots.

Rates of infection in India have been falling rapidly for reasons not really yet known. I expect the global stats are reflective of this.

Yep Donald J Trump said it would go away, looks like he was right on the money.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

separately…

apparently the news there is good enough that they’re writing about it

⚠ we (1) make no judgement on the validity of their explanations and (2) are having lunch

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/why-covid-19-cases-are-falling-so-fast/618041/

COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?

Four reasons: social distancing, seasonality, seroprevalence, and shots.

Rates of infection in India have been falling rapidly for reasons not really yet known. I expect the global stats are reflective of this.

haven’t been there recently

what are your thoughts on what those reasons might be

I dunno. Just guessing it might be the lack of avenues for community transmission now that poor city workers have all returned to their villages where social distancing is easier.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

separately…

apparently the news there is good enough that they’re writing about it

⚠ we (1) make no judgement on the validity of their explanations and (2) are having lunch

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/why-covid-19-cases-are-falling-so-fast/618041/

COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?

Four reasons: social distancing, seasonality, seroprevalence, and shots.

Rates of infection in India have been falling rapidly for reasons not really yet known. I expect the global stats are reflective of this.

Yep Donald J Trump said it would go away, looks like he was right on the money.

Praise Ganesha.

Divine Angel said:

and he didn’t swear once.

sheesh calm down soon everyone’s going to want to have one named after themselves

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-19/japan-finds-90-cases-of-new-covid-19-strain-media-reports/13172142

Waiter, waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!

Police arrest protesters in South Yarra
By Zach Hope
Police have made multiple arrests after hundreds of anti-vaccination protesters gathered in Melbourne’s Fawkner Park on Saturday.

I think that guy once came to a pud!

Witty Rejoinder said:

Police arrest protesters in South Yarra
By Zach Hope
Police have made multiple arrests after hundreds of anti-vaccination protesters gathered in Melbourne’s Fawkner Park on Saturday.

I think that guy once came to a pud!

At least he’s wearing a mask.

Divine Angel said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Police arrest protesters in South Yarra
By Zach Hope
Police have made multiple arrests after hundreds of anti-vaccination protesters gathered in Melbourne’s Fawkner Park on Saturday.

I think that guy once came to a pud!

At least he’s wearing a mask.

and a CHINESE flag

The worldwide battle against COVID-19 has moved to its next phase as vaccines are rolled out across the globe. Most countries now face the enormous logistical challenge of vaccinating enough people so that spread of the virus can be stopped and life can return to normal.

This fresh battleground means a whole new set of data to follow, so our visual stories and data teams have launched a new vaccine data tracker to show you the progress countries are making in vaccinating their citizens. And just like the COVID-19 data centre we launched last April, this vaccine data centre will be continuously upgraded and tweaked.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/covid-19-global-vaccine-tracker-and-data-centre-20210128-p56xht.html

It’ll take longer now they don’t have double digit growth…

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/02/20/us/us-herd-immunity-covid.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

poikilotherm said:

It’ll take longer now they don’t have double digit growth…

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/02/20/us/us-herd-immunity-covid.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

And 12% of the population has the UK VOC (Variant of Concern)…

So that could take over…

Jane, aged 85, is the first person in Australia to receive the Covid vax.

Divine Angel said:

Jane, aged 85, is the first person in Australia to receive the Covid vax.

Have a look at the size of that plunger

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Jane, aged 85, is the first person in Australia to receive the Covid vax.

Have a look at the size of that plunger

Is it intra muscular or sub cut?

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Jane, aged 85, is the first person in Australia to receive the Covid vax.

Have a look at the size of that plunger

Is it intra muscular or sub cut?

IM

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Jane, aged 85, is the first person in Australia to receive the Covid vax.

Have a look at the size of that plunger

That’s a 1mL syringe, meant to use 2-3 mL syringes. Stock image maybe? That ain’t no 85 year old arm.

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Have a look at the size of that plunger

Is it intra muscular or sub cut?

IM

Ta. I don’t like those ones. My 1 IV & 14 sub cuts a month are enough for me (a needle phobic) to handle.

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Divine Angel said:

Jane, aged 85, is the first person in Australia to receive the Covid vax.

Have a look at the size of that plunger

That’s a 1mL syringe, meant to use 2-3 mL syringes. Stock image maybe? That ain’t no 85 year old arm.

Not crepey enough by a long shot. And unusually muscular.

Really seems as though both cases and deaths are in a solid decline, worldwide and in most major countries.

Deaths in the UK back down under 500 per day for the first time since Christmas. US deaths down to 2000 for the first time since early December.
I guess Brazil and Mexico are the two places that are not past the worst of it and at least they aren’t in exponential growth.

Hopefully that’s the last wave.

dv said:

Really seems as though both cases and deaths are in a solid decline, worldwide and in most major countries.

Deaths in the UK back down under 500 per day for the first time since Christmas. US deaths down to 2000 for the first time since early December.
I guess Brazil and Mexico are the two places that are not past the worst of it and at least they aren’t in exponential growth.

Hopefully that’s the last wave.

That was a surfing movie I think.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Really seems as though both cases and deaths are in a solid decline, worldwide and in most major countries.

Deaths in the UK back down under 500 per day for the first time since Christmas. US deaths down to 2000 for the first time since early December.
I guess Brazil and Mexico are the two places that are not past the worst of it and at least they aren’t in exponential growth.

Hopefully that’s the last wave.

That was a surfing movie I think.

Just shows what a fucken liar Biden is, he said it was going to get worse before it gets better.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Really seems as though both cases and deaths are in a solid decline, worldwide and in most major countries.

Deaths in the UK back down under 500 per day for the first time since Christmas. US deaths down to 2000 for the first time since early December.
I guess Brazil and Mexico are the two places that are not past the worst of it and at least they aren’t in exponential growth.

Hopefully that’s the last wave.

That was a surfing movie I think.

That was a good movie. Finally, someone mentions a movie in here that I know.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Really seems as though both cases and deaths are in a solid decline, worldwide and in most major countries.

Deaths in the UK back down under 500 per day for the first time since Christmas. US deaths down to 2000 for the first time since early December.
I guess Brazil and Mexico are the two places that are not past the worst of it and at least they aren’t in exponential growth.

Hopefully that’s the last wave.

That was a surfing movie I think.

That was a good movie. Finally, someone mentions a movie in here that I know.

Peter Weir?

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Really seems as though both cases and deaths are in a solid decline, worldwide and in most major countries.

Deaths in the UK back down under 500 per day for the first time since Christmas. US deaths down to 2000 for the first time since early December.
I guess Brazil and Mexico are the two places that are not past the worst of it and at least they aren’t in exponential growth.

Hopefully that’s the last wave.

That was a surfing movie I think.

The Last Wave (also released, in the US, as Black Rain) is a 1977 Australian mystery drama film directed by Peter Weir. It is about a white solicitor in Sydney whose seemingly normal life is disrupted after he takes on a murder case and discovers that he shares a strange, mystical connection with the small group of local Aboriginal people accused of the crime.

The film opens with a montage of scenes of daily life in Australia in the 1970s: a rural school in the desert, the main street of an outback town, a traffic jam in the city, all being affected by unusually adverse weather conditions that suddenly appear. Only the local Aboriginal people seem to recognize the cosmological significance of these weather phenomena.

During one of these “freak rainstorms” in Sydney, an altercation occurs among a group of Aborigines in a pub, which results in the mysterious death of one of them. At the coroner’s inquest, the death is ruled a homicide; and four men are accused of murder. Through the Australian Legal Aid system, David Burton (Richard Chamberlain) is procured for their defence. The circumstances by which he was contacted and retained are unusual, in that his law practice is corporate taxation and not criminal defense. He nonetheless takes on the case, and his professional and personal lives begin to unravel.

Plagued by bizarre dreams, Burton begins to sense an otherworldly connection to one of the accused (David Gulpilil). He also feels connected to the increasingly strange weather phenomena besetting the city. His dreams intensify along with his obsession with the murder case, which he comes to believe is an Aboriginal tribal killing by curse, in which the victim believed. Learning more about Aboriginal practices and the concept of Dreamtime as a parallel world of existence, Burton comes to believe the strange weather bodes of a coming apocalypse.

The film climaxes in a confrontation between the lawyer and the tribe’s shaman in a subterranean sacred site. Overcoming the shaman, Burton escapes to the surface, but in the tunnel loses various tribal relics. After emerging from the sewer, he collapses on the beach and stares entranced at the horizon. The screen is filled by the shot of a towering ocean wave, though it remains unclear whether we are witnessing reality or sharing in Burton’s final, apocalyptic premonition.
Cast

Richard Chamberlain as David Burton Olivia Hamnett as Annie Burton David Gulpilil as Chris Lee Fred Parslow as Reverend Burton Vivean Gray as Dr Whitburn Nandjiwarra Amagula as Charlie Walter Amagula as Gerry Lee Roy Bara as Larry Cedrick Lalara as Lindsey Morris Lalara as Jacko Peter Carroll as Michael Zeadler Athol Compton as Billy Corman Hedley Cullen as Judge Michael Duffield as Andrew Potter Wallas Eaton as Morgue Doctor

-wiki

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Really seems as though both cases and deaths are in a solid decline, worldwide and in most major countries.

Deaths in the UK back down under 500 per day for the first time since Christmas. US deaths down to 2000 for the first time since early December.
I guess Brazil and Mexico are the two places that are not past the worst of it and at least they aren’t in exponential growth.

Hopefully that’s the last wave.

That was a surfing movie I think.

The Last Wave (also released, in the US, as Black Rain) is a 1977 Australian mystery drama film directed by Peter Weir. It is about a white solicitor in Sydney whose seemingly normal life is disrupted after he takes on a murder case and discovers that he shares a strange, mystical connection with the small group of local Aboriginal people accused of the crime.

The film opens with a montage of scenes of daily life in Australia in the 1970s: a rural school in the desert, the main street of an outback town, a traffic jam in the city, all being affected by unusually adverse weather conditions that suddenly appear. Only the local Aboriginal people seem to recognize the cosmological significance of these weather phenomena.

During one of these “freak rainstorms” in Sydney, an altercation occurs among a group of Aborigines in a pub, which results in the mysterious death of one of them. At the coroner’s inquest, the death is ruled a homicide; and four men are accused of murder. Through the Australian Legal Aid system, David Burton (Richard Chamberlain) is procured for their defence. The circumstances by which he was contacted and retained are unusual, in that his law practice is corporate taxation and not criminal defense. He nonetheless takes on the case, and his professional and personal lives begin to unravel.

Plagued by bizarre dreams, Burton begins to sense an otherworldly connection to one of the accused (David Gulpilil). He also feels connected to the increasingly strange weather phenomena besetting the city. His dreams intensify along with his obsession with the murder case, which he comes to believe is an Aboriginal tribal killing by curse, in which the victim believed. Learning more about Aboriginal practices and the concept of Dreamtime as a parallel world of existence, Burton comes to believe the strange weather bodes of a coming apocalypse.

The film climaxes in a confrontation between the lawyer and the tribe’s shaman in a subterranean sacred site. Overcoming the shaman, Burton escapes to the surface, but in the tunnel loses various tribal relics. After emerging from the sewer, he collapses on the beach and stares entranced at the horizon. The screen is filled by the shot of a towering ocean wave, though it remains unclear whether we are witnessing reality or sharing in Burton’s final, apocalyptic premonition.
Cast

Richard Chamberlain as David Burton Olivia Hamnett as Annie Burton David Gulpilil as Chris Lee Fred Parslow as Reverend Burton Vivean Gray as Dr Whitburn Nandjiwarra Amagula as Charlie Walter Amagula as Gerry Lee Roy Bara as Larry Cedrick Lalara as Lindsey Morris Lalara as Jacko Peter Carroll as Michael Zeadler Athol Compton as Billy Corman Hedley Cullen as Judge Michael Duffield as Andrew Potter Wallas Eaton as Morgue Doctor

-wiki

David Gulpilil was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer over four years ago and given just a few months to live, he’s still going.