An obvious observation which went over the heads of health experts.

N95 masks without vent protects yourself and protects other people.

Surgical masks protect other people but not yourself.

Hospital and doctors clinics are requesting people to wear surgical masks.

Why are hospitals and doctors clinics telling people to take off a superior mask that protects yourself and others and put on an inferior one that does not protect yourself?

I am not going to the doctors or any hospital until N95 MASKS are accepted as I would like protection from others, which the surgical mask cannot do. I will not argue about it with them I will simply state the case and walk out.

so why not just put the surgical mask over the vent

Are hospitals and GPs actually telling people to remove N95 masks?

As SCIENCE indicates, you could put a surgical mask over the other one.

FTR, the vents on N95 / P2 masks are really easy to block. A strip of tape on the inside or a cotton wool ball in the outside (or both) completely closes the valve.

Bubblecar said:

Are hospitals and GPs actually telling people to remove N95 masks?

As SCIENCE indicates, you could put a surgical mask over the other one.

Yes, I was told at my doctors clinic and Ballarat and Geelong hospitals.

SCIENCE said:

so why not just put the surgical mask over the vent

Some have, I don’t know how effective the second mask going over the first mask would be, the fit would be an issue?

If double masks were designed for dual wear that fitted then that would be a better option.

Double masking for COVID-19: CDC recommends wearing two masks at once

Double masking for COVID-19: CDC recommends wearing two masks at once
https://www.cnet.com/health/should-you-wear-two-masks-to-prevent-covid-19/

CDC: 2 Face Masks Protect Better Than One

En español | With the discovery of new, faster-spreading coronavirus strains in the U.S, it might be time to double down on face masks — literally — by wearing two at a time. Layering a cloth mask over a disposable medical procedure mask significantly boosts your protection against the coronavirus by ensuring a tighter fit against your face, a new study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shows.

more…

Seven must-have features for your COVID-safe mask

1. Three layers
2. Antibacterial treatment
3. Water repellent
4. Adjustable ear toggles
5. Contoured shape
6. Flexible nose strip
7. Individual packaging

Ill add another four

8 , must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9 Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.,
10 mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11 Comes in different colours and designs.
12 Wash me now indicator

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Are hospitals and GPs actually telling people to remove N95 masks?

As SCIENCE indicates, you could put a surgical mask over the other one.

Yes, I was told at my doctors clinic and Ballarat and Geelong hospitals.

Another observation. Geelong hospital is asking people who are patients or visitors to wear visitor stickers, being pedantic there is a difference between patients and visitors. People wearing Patient stickers would cleanly is visible from Visitor stickers. There is also a waiting queue at Geelong hospital as people are being asking for their name and phone number upon arrival.

Why cant this change to a Photo ID access card with name and phone number of the card?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Are hospitals and GPs actually telling people to remove N95 masks?

As SCIENCE indicates, you could put a surgical mask over the other one.

Yes, I was told at my doctors clinic and Ballarat and Geelong hospitals.

Another observation. Geelong hospital is asking people who are patients or visitors to wear visitor stickers, being pedantic there is a difference between patients and visitors. People wearing Patient stickers would cleanly is visible from Visitor stickers. There is also a waiting queue at Geelong hospital as people are being asking for their name and phone number upon arrival.

Why cant this change to a Photo ID access card with name and phone number of the card?

This card would be issued by the hospital for the only purpose of hospital visits.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Are hospitals and GPs actually telling people to remove N95 masks?

As SCIENCE indicates, you could put a surgical mask over the other one.

Yes, I was told at my doctors clinic and Ballarat and Geelong hospitals.

Another observation. Geelong hospital is asking people who are patients or visitors to wear visitor stickers, being pedantic there is a difference between patients and visitors. People wearing Patient stickers would cleanly is visible from Visitor stickers. There is also a waiting queue at Geelong hospital as people are being asking for their name and phone number upon arrival.

Why cant this change to a Photo ID access card with name and phone number of the card?

Or a thumbprint ID or voice ID ?

The trouble with covid19 and thumbprint scanners is they have to be cleaned for each scan unless a non contact one can be made, this is not a problem with eye scanner or voice ID.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Seven must-have features for your COVID-safe mask

1. Three layers
2. Antibacterial treatment
3. Water repellent
4. Adjustable ear toggles
5. Contoured shape
6. Flexible nose strip
7. Individual packaging

Ill add another four

8 , must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9 Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.,
10 mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11 Comes in different colours and designs.
12 Wash me now indicator

7 Is worded poorly and should change to,

Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes, I was told at my doctors clinic and Ballarat and Geelong hospitals.

Another observation. Geelong hospital is asking people who are patients or visitors to wear visitor stickers, being pedantic there is a difference between patients and visitors. People wearing Patient stickers would cleanly is visible from Visitor stickers. There is also a waiting queue at Geelong hospital as people are being asking for their name and phone number upon arrival.

Why cant this change to a Photo ID access card with name and phone number of the card?

This card would be issued by the hospital for the only purpose of hospital visits.

This would greatly speed up patient arrivals and reduce transmission opportunity in waiting queues.

Patients at arrival would walk up to an eye scanner and swipe their hospital access card issued by the hospital then go to their appointment.

Patents or visitors who fail the eye test can only continue with manually writing down name and phone number.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Seven must-have features for your COVID-safe mask

1. Three layers
2. Antibacterial treatment
3. Water repellent
4. Adjustable ear toggles
5. Contoured shape
6. Flexible nose strip
7. Individual packaging

Ill add another four

8 , must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9 Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.,
10 mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11 Comes in different colours and designs.
12 Wash me now indicator

7 Is worded poorly and should change to,

Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.

Are three layers optimal ?

What about 5 ?

Any tests been done on how many layers are in the right zone?

Rule 303 said:

FTR, the vents on N95 / P2 masks are really easy to block. A strip of tape on the inside or a cotton wool ball in the outside (or both) completely closes the valve.

Yes, they are easy to block.

Vented N95 masks with ventilators that open or close would be a good idea, I suppose someone makes them.

or N95 masks with sealable clip on caps that go over the vents to fully seal them?

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8 Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10 Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11 Comes in different colours and designs.
12 Wash me now indicator.
13 Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14 Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Another observation. Geelong hospital is asking people who are patients or visitors to wear visitor stickers, being pedantic there is a difference between patients and visitors. People wearing Patient stickers would cleanly is visible from Visitor stickers. There is also a waiting queue at Geelong hospital as people are being asking for their name and phone number upon arrival.

Why cant this change to a Photo ID access card with name and phone number of the card?

This card would be issued by the hospital for the only purpose of hospital visits.

This would greatly speed up patient arrivals and reduce transmission opportunity in waiting queues.

Patients at arrival would walk up to an eye scanner and swipe their hospital access card issued by the hospital then go to their appointment.

Patents or visitors who fail the eye test can only continue with manually writing down name and phone number.

I’ve realized you don’t need a card, the photo ID would already have it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

This card would be issued by the hospital for the only purpose of hospital visits.

This would greatly speed up patient arrivals and reduce transmission opportunity in waiting queues.

Patients at arrival would walk up to an eye scanner and swipe their hospital access card issued by the hospital then go to their appointment.

Patents or visitors who fail the eye test can only continue with manually writing down name and phone number.

I’ve realized you don’t need a card, the photo ID would already have it.

I’ve realized you don’t need a card, the photo ID would already have the name and phone details.

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21 Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators
22 A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.
25 A COVID XX detector built-in to the close proximity chip

Some of those ideas are Mollwollfumble’s, I cannot remember which ones. I know he has designed and made his own masks.

Tau.Neutrino said:

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.
25 A COVID XX detector built-in to the close proximity chip

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There are no 100% protective face masks.

Ian said:

There are no 100% protective face masks.

But you could give this a bash..

Ian said:

There are no 100% protective face masks.

PPE should always be regarded as the last and least effective line of protection. In modern safety thinking, there is no 100% effective anything. If your PPE comes into play, you’ve had a near-hit incident and need to review safety procedures.

Rule 303 said:

Ian said:

There are no 100% protective face masks.

PPE should always be regarded as the last and least effective line of protection. In modern safety thinking, there is no 100% effective anything. If your PPE comes into play, you’ve had a near-hit incident and need to review safety procedures.

Absolutely!

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

Ian said:

There are no 100% protective face masks.

PPE should always be regarded as the last and least effective line of protection. In modern safety thinking, there is no 100% effective anything. If your PPE comes into play, you’ve had a near-hit incident and need to review safety procedures.

Absolutely!

What about PPE at bushfires?

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Rule 303 said:

PPE should always be regarded as the last and least effective line of protection. In modern safety thinking, there is no 100% effective anything. If your PPE comes into play, you’ve had a near-hit incident and need to review safety procedures.

Absolutely!

What about PPE at bushfires?

apparently it’s the same.. so the actions done by the fireys should be more protective than the gear they wear…

I guess for the average person wearing a mask while they do their shopping, distancing would be a pretty good line of defence, washing hands before/after/ during (if you need to) and not touching your face… and then masks in case you walk through someones sneeze.. (which they should do into their elbow with no mask on…

its very difficult to let common sense rule when you need toilet paper and ham.

Arts said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Absolutely!

What about PPE at bushfires?

apparently it’s the same.. so the actions done by the fireys should be more protective than the gear they wear…

I guess for the average person wearing a mask while they do their shopping, distancing would be a pretty good line of defence, washing hands before/after/ during (if you need to) and not touching your face… and then masks in case you walk through someones sneeze.. (which they should do into their elbow with no mask on…

its very difficult to let common sense rule when you need toilet paper and ham.

OK I understand. Be near the fire but not in it.

Tamb said:

Arts said:

Tamb said:

What about PPE at bushfires?

apparently it’s the same.. so the actions done by the fireys should be more protective than the gear they wear…

I guess for the average person wearing a mask while they do their shopping, distancing would be a pretty good line of defence, washing hands before/after/ during (if you need to) and not touching your face… and then masks in case you walk through someones sneeze.. (which they should do into their elbow with no mask on…

its very difficult to let common sense rule when you need toilet paper and ham.

OK I understand. Be near the fire but not in it.

nods

Dear CN, that figure is absolute an utter bullshit.

An N95 mask with vent protects others from you far better than both surgical masks and home made masks.

surgical masks and home made masks have huge side holes through which the virus can escape. They only stop about 2/3 of the viruses escaping. The vents in N95 masks are smaller, so offer more protection to others, not less.

The problem with no vents is back pressure – back pressure makes breathing more difficult, which poses numerous other problems, particularly for those with compromised lung capacity.

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

Nurses can touch if they are wearing protective clothing and gloves.

I have seen them doing this in an emergency department, they wash hands, put on a thin coat, then put on gloves, attend to patient, then take off thin coat, put in recycle bin then take of gloves and wash hands.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

Nurses can touch if they are wearing protective clothing and gloves.

I have seen them doing this in an emergency department, they wash hands, put on a thin coat, then put on gloves, attend to patient, then take off thin coat, put in recycle bin then take of gloves and wash hands.

Frontline defenders. Usually considered as cannon fodder by the admin.

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.
25 A COVID XX detector built-in to the close proximity chip
26 With a COVID detector built into a chip, it should also be designed to accept updates for new variants that are not in range of what’s in the database. Also any that’s new or not in the database can be detected and sent as an alert.

Tau.Neutrino said:

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.
25 A COVID XX detector built-in to the close proximity chip
26 With a COVID detector built into a chip, it should also be designed to accept updates for new variants that are not in range of what’s in the database. Also any that’s new or not in the database can be detected and sent as an alert.

It would make sense to put Covid detectors in a RF chip in reusable masks, that way would allow easy detection.

A Covid detector built into a water proof close proximity chip which is built into the masks.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.
25 A COVID XX detector built-in to the close proximity chip
26 With a COVID detector built into a chip, it should also be designed to accept updates for new variants that are not in range of what’s in the database. Also any that’s new or not in the database can be detected and sent as an alert.

It would make sense to put Covid detectors in a RF chip in reusable masks, that way would allow easy detection.

A Covid detector built into a water proof close proximity chip which is built into the masks.

What happens when you can’t believe what you see?

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.
25 A COVID XX detector built-in to the close proximity chip
26 With a COVID detector built into a chip, it should also be designed to accept updates for new variants that are not in range of what’s in the database. Also any that’s new or not in the database can be detected and sent as an alert.

It would make sense to put Covid detectors in a RF chip in reusable masks, that way would allow easy detection.

A Covid detector built into a water proof close proximity chip which is built into the masks.

What happens when you can’t believe what you see?

Make it transparent with evidence based validation ?

I like the clock bells, they are great. I like the little tune before the hour strikes.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

It would make sense to put Covid detectors in a RF chip in reusable masks, that way would allow easy detection.

A Covid detector built into a water proof close proximity chip which is built into the masks.

What happens when you can’t believe what you see?

Make it transparent with evidence based validation ?

What you cannot see cannot hurt you?

Stand further away.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I like the clock bells, they are great. I like the little tune before the hour strikes.

oops was that still in the post? A different story behind them.
If you want to hear it I can copy paste it.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I like the clock bells, they are great. I like the little tune before the hour strikes.

oops was that still in the post? A different story behind them.
If you want to hear it I can copy paste it.

Ok.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I like the clock bells, they are great. I like the little tune before the hour strikes.

oops was that still in the post? A different story behind them.
If you want to hear it I can copy paste it.

Ok.

About 30 years ago I fancied the idea of a large clock striking on bells to go at the corner of the staircase. In the junk box was a Westminster movement with five chime hammers, one of them lifted independently of the others for the hour strike. There was enough room for a longer barrel which could operate all five hammers. I made a case with a two foot octagonal dial and suitable hands then purchased a set of five diatonically tuned bells together with a sixth one tuned an octave lower.
As a tower-bell ringer I thought of making the clock perform a sequence of possible changes concluding with a descending scale so I made a new barrel to drive the hammers, also a new cam as Westminster wants sections of 1, 2, 3 ,4 and I required 1, 2, 2, 5. Using as an example the scale of C the sequences are:

DCFEG
DFCGEFDGCE
FGDECGFEDC
DCFEG DFCGEFDGCE FGDECGFEDC

Two pairs switch between each sequence of five notes.

The movement was fixed to the back of the dial with bolts.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

oops was that still in the post? A different story behind them.
If you want to hear it I can copy paste it.

Ok.

About 30 years ago I fancied the idea of a large clock striking on bells to go at the corner of the staircase. In the junk box was a Westminster movement with five chime hammers, one of them lifted independently of the others for the hour strike. There was enough room for a longer barrel which could operate all five hammers. I made a case with a two foot octagonal dial and suitable hands then purchased a set of five diatonically tuned bells together with a sixth one tuned an octave lower.
As a tower-bell ringer I thought of making the clock perform a sequence of possible changes concluding with a descending scale so I made a new barrel to drive the hammers, also a new cam as Westminster wants sections of 1, 2, 3 ,4 and I required 1, 2, 2, 5. Using as an example the scale of C the sequences are:

DCFEG
DFCGEFDGCE
FGDECGFEDC
DCFEG DFCGEFDGCE FGDECGFEDC

Two pairs switch between each sequence of five notes.

The movement was fixed to the back of the dial with bolts.

Impressive. I like it.

Some more ideas for a future mask.

1. Three layers or more.
2. Antibacterial treatment.
3. Water repellent.
4. Adjustable ear toggles.
5. Contoured shape.
6. Flexible nose strip.
7. Hygienic packaging, tamper proof.
8. Must protect the wearer and other people ie be N95 or equivalent.
9. Mask must be washable with replaceable washable filters.
10. Mask must be tight but not uncomfortable.
11. Comes in different colours and designs.
12. Wash me now indicator.
13. Must have good mask fit around the whole face.
14. Must be able to be worn all day without causing skin problems.
15. Mask with vents that can be opened or closed.
16. Masks that come with eye google options.
17. Can have multiple filters.
18. Mask has an easy talk position.
19. Stain proof.
20. Has close proximity tech, activated by voice or button that has name and phone and number for hospital access instead of carrying a card.
21. Both the mask itself and the filters have separate wash me now indicators.
22. A wash me now reminder added to the close proximity chip.
23. A face scanner could store 3D face data and create a mask to the users exact measurements, no more problem with mask fit.
24. Replaceable elastic straps.
25 A COVID XX detector built-in to the close proximity chip
26 With a COVID detector built into a chip, it should also be designed to accept updates for new variants that are not in range of what’s in the database. Also any that’s new or not in the database can be detected and sent as an alert.
27 The detector in your mask can sent an alert to your smartphone, which you can forward it onto your doctor or get your phone to.
28 Early detection devices, means early recovery, which also means less virus transmission opportunity,.
29 Short press to mute RF chip , long press to turn off chip.
30 RX and TX privacy options can be fully programmable by time, specific places, other conditions.
31 Material could be transparent or opaque, come with or without LED lights, come with or without rear proximity alarm.
32 Long life battery for RF chip, separate battery for other features. Still be light for all day use.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

It would make sense to put Covid detectors in a RF chip in reusable masks, that way would allow easy detection.

A Covid detector built into a water proof close proximity chip which is built into the masks.

What happens when you can’t believe what you see?

If you don’t believe the time ?

Radio controlled clocks and watches are available now, some are now affordable, others are expensive, they set their time to internet time servers over wifi.

Im looking at getting one for the lounge room.

Google Shopping Radio Controlled Clocks

Ebay Radio Controlled Clocks

You can buy radio controlled clock movements, so you design your own clock face.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

It would make sense to put Covid detectors in a RF chip in reusable masks, that way would allow easy detection.

A Covid detector built into a water proof close proximity chip which is built into the masks.

What happens when you can’t believe what you see?

If you don’t believe the time ?

Radio controlled clocks and watches are available now, some are now affordable, others are expensive, they set their time to internet time servers over wifi.

Im looking at getting one for the lounge room.

They are not new.

Tau.Neutrino said:

You can buy radio controlled clock movements, so you design your own clock face.

I’m thinking of designing my own clock face.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

What happens when you can’t believe what you see?

If you don’t believe the time ?

Radio controlled clocks and watches are available now, some are now affordable, others are expensive, they set their time to internet time servers over wifi.

Im looking at getting one for the lounge room.

They are not new.

Only new in the sense that they prices have dropped over the years. however signals are not available everywhere which limits their use to those countries which have the radio signals.

I have decided to go for both of these until I can figure out how to build one of my own wall clocks that syncs with a wifi/net time server or a GPS time signal.

Net Time Keeper

SVB Fluorescent Tube Clock VFD Clock GPS Time Calibration Retro Electronic Clock DIY Vacuum Fluorescent Tube

Ian said:

Ian said:

There are no 100% protective face masks.

But you could give this a bash..

Tau.Neutrino said:

I have decided to go for both of these until I can figure out how to build one of my own wall clocks that syncs with a wifi/net time server or a GPS time signal.

Net Time Keeper

SVB Fluorescent Tube Clock VFD Clock GPS Time Calibration Retro Electronic Clock DIY Vacuum Fluorescent Tube

I’m going to output the Net time keeper to a small 7 inch HD monitor.

I noticed these links while I was searching.

Adding a real time clock to your raspberry Pi

https://thepihut.com/blogs/raspberry-pi-tutorials/17209332-adding-a-real-time-clock-to-your-raspberry-pi

another module

https://core-electronics.com.au/ds1307-rtc-module-with-battery-for-raspberry-pi.html

there is also this app for windows

Net Time
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nettime/

https://www.timesynctool.com/

and this app for android

Smart Time Sync
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pautinanet.smarttimesync

Roughbarked could take the output of Net Time and output it to a mechanical device to set the correct time on a mechanical clock.

Just a passing thought.

esselte said:

Ian said:

Ian said:

There are no 100% protective face masks.

But you could give this a bash..

I want mine with headphones, mic, rear movement detection, front LED lights and a tv screen that plays soothing videos.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Roughbarked could take the output of Net Time and output it to a mechanical device to set the correct time on a mechanical clock.

Just a passing thought.

Why would I need to?

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Roughbarked could take the output of Net Time and output it to a mechanical device to set the correct time on a mechanical clock.

Just a passing thought.

Why would I need to?

If you needed to which you don’t need to do.

Ive been looking at GPS watches

EZON T031 GPS Timing Digital Watch Outdoor Sport Multifunction 5ATM Waterproof

and GPS clocks

Waterproof 4G GPS WIFI Tracking Pendant LBS Alarm Clock Talking For Kids Elder

Seiko Space link GPS Ｃlock GP501W Table Clock

Thomas borody

Why would I need to?

If you need atomic time from the internet.

It shows/outputs the correct time using wifi from a remote atomic time server on the internet.

However….

Making a transition device that outputs the digital time signal and convert it to an analogue movement would have to be done then another device to interface with the clock mechanism that sets the time, or build the two into one device?

Ive never made one.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why would I need to?

If you need atomic time from the internet. there are several ways

Net Time Keeper and Net Time, both are different.

Nettime keeper is a device that gets atomic time over wifi from a time server on the internet and display the time signal on any monitor

Nettime is a bit of windows code that when run a a computer gets the time from a time server and displays it on the screen.

They both shows/outputs the correct time using wifi from a remote atomic time server on the internet.

However….

Making a transition device that outputs the digital time signal and convert it to an analogue movement would have to be done then another device to interface with the clock mechanism that sets the time, or build the two into one device?

Ive never made one.

But I want to make a digital version using Net Time Keeper or using Net Time and send the signal to other clocks that update themselves.

Its easy to do it with Net Time Keeper just out put it to multiple monitors you could have them in different rooms, kitchen, lounge bedroom.

Net time you would need a bit of extra code to output the time signal over wifi and have wifi clocks that use that.

or get Nettime Keeper and somehow output its signal back over wifi to update other wifi digital clocks.

Or design and make a small wifi device like Net time keeper and send the time signal to WIFI clocks.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why would I need to?

If you need atomic time from the internet. there are several ways

Net Time Keeper and Net Time, both are different.

Nettime keeper is a device that gets atomic time over wifi from a time server on the internet and display the time signal on any monitor

Nettime is a bit of windows code that when run a a computer gets the time from a time server and displays it on the screen.

They both shows/outputs the correct time using wifi from a remote atomic time server on the internet.

However….

Making a transition device that outputs the digital time signal and convert it to an analogue movement would have to be done then another device to interface with the clock mechanism that sets the time, or build the two into one device?

Ive never made one.

But I want to make a digital version using Net Time Keeper or using Net Time and send the signal to other clocks that update themselves.

Its easy to do it with Net Time Keeper just out put it to multiple monitors you could have them in different rooms, kitchen, lounge bedroom.

Net time you would need a bit of extra code to output the time signal over wifi and have wifi clocks that use that.

or get Nettime Keeper and somehow output its signal back over wifi to update other wifi digital clocks.

Or design and make a small wifi device like Net time keeper and send the time signal to WIFI clocks.

Having an IOS or Android app that read internet time that set WIFI clocks to that would be handy

or having an IOS or Android app that read GPS time signals and sets WIFI clocks using that.

or an app that does both.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why would I need to?

If you need atomic time from the internet. there are several ways

Net Time Keeper and Net Time, both are different.

Nettime keeper is a device that gets atomic time over wifi from a time server on the internet and display the time signal on any monitor

Nettime is a bit of windows code that when run a a computer gets the time from a time server and displays it on the screen.

They both shows/outputs the correct time using wifi from a remote atomic time server on the internet.

However….

Making a transition device that outputs the digital time signal and convert it to an analogue movement would have to be done then another device to interface with the clock mechanism that sets the time, or build the two into one device?

Ive never made one.

But I want to make a digital version using Net Time Keeper or using Net Time and send the signal to other clocks that update themselves.

Its easy to do it with Net Time Keeper just out put it to multiple monitors you could have them in different rooms, kitchen, lounge bedroom.

Net time you would need a bit of extra code to output the time signal over wifi and have wifi clocks that use that.

or get Nettime Keeper and somehow output its signal back over wifi to update other wifi digital clocks.

Or design and make a small wifi device like Net time keeper and send the time signal to WIFI clocks.

Having an IOS or Android app that read internet time that set WIFI clocks to that would be handy

or having an IOS or Android app that read GPS time signals and sets WIFI clocks using that.

or an app that does both.

After a power failure, wifi clocks could be set to automatically ping the wifi router for a time signal and reset themselves.

I took photos of some of my watches last night, two are wind ups and three are quartz/battery ones.

Summing up what I found.

Smart Time Sync Android app (Google Play )
NetTime App (sourceforge)
NetTime Keeper (Ebay)
EZON T031 GPS Timing Digital Watch (Ebay)
2021 Zeblaze 3S GPS Smartwatch Waterproof GPS Watch /IOS (Ebay)
SVB Fluorescent Tube Clock VFD Clock GPS Time Calibration with Vacuum Fluorescent Tubes Retro Electronic Clock (Ebay)
4G GPS Positions Tracking Location Tracker Pendant Clock Talking Alarm Clock (Ebay)
Seiko Space link GPS Ｃlock GP501W Table Clock (Ebay)

5 ways to set time accurately

1 using gps watches or clocks
2 using nettime windows time server app
3 using Net Time keeper which displays time over HDMI monitors
4 using IOS or android time server apps
5 http://1194online.com/

Are there any other ways?

Tau.Neutrino said:

5 ways to set time accurately

1 using gps watches or clocks
2 using nettime windows time server app
3 using Net Time keeper which displays time over HDMI monitors
4 using IOS or android time server apps
5 http://1194online.com/

Are there any other ways?

Fun Fact

George the talking clock is now 1194online

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-16/talking-clock-continues-to-tick-on-the-internet/11605112

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why would I need to?

If you need atomic time from the internet.

It shows/outputs the correct time using wifi from a remote atomic time server on the internet.

However….

Making a transition device that outputs the digital time signal and convert it to an analogue movement would have to be done then another device to interface with the clock mechanism that sets the time, or build the two into one device?

Ive never made one.

shakes head slowly.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I took photos of some of my watches last night, two are wind ups and three are quartz/battery ones.

The Bulova is probably a good watch if the balance staff isn’t broken.

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

Mouth words and use hand signals. Try to write on a pad, go looking for a pen that works and don’t come back.

buffy said:

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

Whoops. Can’t feed the shredder and post at the same time.

You should be the perfect person to look after them. You must have finished going through the Merck by now. It’s years…you should have a really overloaded set of antibodies to pretty much every possible combination and permutation of viral DNA/RNA.

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

At one stage, just a few years back, the ‘therapy’ of passing hands over patients (i.e. about 200mm above them) was ‘recognised’ and practiced in some Qld Health hospitals.

Fortunately, this seems to be discarded now.

>>NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Exactly, do no harm.

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

If your body’s feelin’ bad
And it’s the only one you have
You want to take away the pain
Go out walkin’ in the rain.
You watch the flowers go to bed,
Ask the man inside your head
Your spirit never has to grieve
All ya got to do’s believe.

The faith healer
The faith healer
Can I put my hands on you?
Can I put my hands on you?
The faith healer
The faith healer

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

so nurses shouldn’t touch patients, just let them die

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

At one stage, just a few years back, the ‘therapy’ of passing hands over patients (i.e. about 200mm above them) was ‘recognised’ and practiced in some Qld Health hospitals.

Fortunately, this seems to be discarded now.

ah well there’s still stereotactic radiosurgery, almost as good as chakra manipulation too

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

NO-ONE SHOULD TOUCH PATIENTS

Just wave at them through the window of their negative pressure room.

At one stage, just a few years back, the ‘therapy’ of passing hands over patients (i.e. about 200mm above them) was ‘recognised’ and practiced in some Qld Health hospitals.

Fortunately, this seems to be discarded now.

ah well there’s still stereotactic radiosurgery, almost as good as chakra manipulation too

(anyway presumably this OCDC kid refers to the physicians but yeah it’s COVID-19 times, no touchy touchy, if you’re fortunate enough to need assistance with the shower or the shitter even if it’s just to wipe your arse, then you should be Released, you can Have Your Freedom, it’ll be good for healthcare funding and for The Economy Must Grow, win win win)

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

At one stage, just a few years back, the ‘therapy’ of passing hands over patients (i.e. about 200mm above them) was ‘recognised’ and practiced in some Qld Health hospitals.

Fortunately, this seems to be discarded now.

ah well there’s still stereotactic radiosurgery, almost as good as chakra manipulation too

(anyway presumably this OCDC kid refers to the physicians but yeah it’s COVID-19 times, no touchy touchy, if you’re fortunate enough to need assistance with the shower or the shitter even if it’s just to wipe your arse, then you should be Released, you can Have Your Freedom, it’ll be good for healthcare funding and for The Economy Must Grow, win win win)

Do you really want a surgeon touching a patient???

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

ah well there’s still stereotactic radiosurgery, almost as good as chakra manipulation too

(anyway presumably this OCDC kid refers to the physicians but yeah it’s COVID-19 times, no touchy touchy, if you’re fortunate enough to need assistance with the shower or the shitter even if it’s just to wipe your arse, then you should be Released, you can Have Your Freedom, it’ll be good for healthcare funding and for The Economy Must Grow, win win win)

Do you really want a surgeon touching a patient???

maybe not if they were born before 1940 and they need assistance with the shower or the shitter even if it’s just to wipe their arse

¿ unless … there is a fracture and i need to fix it … right ?

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

(anyway presumably this OCDC kid refers to the physicians but yeah it’s COVID-19 times, no touchy touchy, if you’re fortunate enough to need assistance with the shower or the shitter even if it’s just to wipe your arse, then you should be Released, you can Have Your Freedom, it’ll be good for healthcare funding and for The Economy Must Grow, win win win)

Do you really want a surgeon touching a patient???

maybe not if they were born before 1940 and they need assistance with the shower or the shitter even if it’s just to wipe their arse

¿ unless … there is a fracture and i need to fix it … right ?

Nah, let nature take its course. Survival of the fittest etc.