Date: 19/02/2021 22:50:10
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699171
Subject: Black Holes Disappearing

Black Holes disappearing…

Has this been discussed ?

Has a dust cloud, gas cloud, large object like a dark star / dead star / brown star been ruled out?

Was Wookie pointing something at the black hole when it decided to disappear?

Are any more going to disappear?

What would it take to cover both hemispheres for future disappearing black holes?

Are they disappearing like quantum bubbles?

Could this quantum bubble thing be bigger than we thought?

It was wookie wasn’t it?

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Date: 19/02/2021 23:01:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699175
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

If black holes are disappearing and particles pop in and out of existence according to quantum physics.

Are black holes doing kind of the same thing but at a larger scale?

What is the ratio (in size / scale) between quantum particles and black holes?

Have any disappeared in the past?

Could past recordings be scanned for BHs disappearing?

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Date: 19/02/2021 23:31:54
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699187
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Freedom of information disappearing?

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Date: 19/02/2021 23:38:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1699197
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Here’s NASA on the subject.

On the Hunt for a Missing Giant Black Hole

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/images/on-the-hunt-for-a-missing-giant-black-hole.html

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Date: 19/02/2021 23:43:37
From: dv
ID: 1699204
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

What is the context for this?

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Date: 19/02/2021 23:48:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1699212
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

dv said:


What is the context for this?

Weed’s a hell of a drug…

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Date: 19/02/2021 23:49:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1699213
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

dv said:


What is the context for this?

See my post.

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Date: 19/02/2021 23:53:57
From: dv
ID: 1699220
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

What is the context for this?

See my post.

Cheers

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Date: 20/02/2021 00:03:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699226
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

dv said:


What is the context for this?

It vanished, somehow managed to hide itself, maybe something large something cloaked it, maybe it suddenly left this universe and went to another one? It disappeared, it departed, its gone, its missing, its not here any more, cosmic abandonment in time space.

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Date: 20/02/2021 00:05:08
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699229
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

What is the context for this?

It vanished, somehow managed to hide itself, maybe something large something cloaked it, maybe it suddenly left this universe and went to another one? It disappeared, it departed, its gone, its missing, its not here any more, cosmic abandonment in time space.

Maybe aliens stole it, maybe China stole it?

The Russians have it.

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Date: 20/02/2021 00:06:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699230
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

What is the context for this?

It vanished, somehow managed to hide itself, maybe something large something cloaked it, maybe it suddenly left this universe and went to another one? It disappeared, it departed, its gone, its missing, its not here any more, cosmic abandonment in time space.

Maybe aliens stole it, maybe China stole it?

The Russians have it.

Would if it really did disappear?

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Date: 20/02/2021 00:13:21
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699231
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

It vanished, somehow managed to hide itself, maybe something large something cloaked it, maybe it suddenly left this universe and went to another one? It disappeared, it departed, its gone, its missing, its not here any more, cosmic abandonment in time space.

Maybe aliens stole it, maybe China stole it?

The Russians have it.

Would if it really did disappear?

What if some black holes collapse further into spacetime?

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Date: 20/02/2021 00:20:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699232
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

I wonder what other people are smoking?

Have they read the story?

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Date: 20/02/2021 01:12:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1699233
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

we love this

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Date: 20/02/2021 01:46:14
From: transition
ID: 1699235
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

that’s a lot of questions about physics exotica, master neutrino, you could just convert to religion quietly, I nearly did

astrophysics isn’t my strong subject, i’d venture though that a useful terrestrial analogy could possibly be found in the idea of a reverse fart

I mean what does the average person do with black hole physics, really

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Date: 20/02/2021 06:04:55
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1699241
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

transition said:


that’s a lot of questions about physics exotica, master neutrino, you could just convert to religion quietly, I nearly did

astrophysics isn’t my strong subject, i’d venture though that a useful terrestrial analogy could possibly be found in the idea of a reverse fart

I mean what does the average person do with black hole physics, really

Not into religion, its bad news for thinking.

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:09:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1699261
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

What is the context for this?

Weed’s a hell of a drug…

Seems like a reasonable discussion to me.

I’ll go and read bubblecar’s link.

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:13:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1699262
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

What is the context for this?

Weed’s a hell of a drug…

That’s some really bad weed man.

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:14:31
From: Tamb
ID: 1699263
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

What is the context for this?

Weed’s a hell of a drug…

That’s some really bad weed man.


Like brown acid.

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:16:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1699264
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Weed’s a hell of a drug…

That’s some really bad weed, man.


Like brown acid.

Yeah. Don’t take the brown acid, man.

From Woodstock?

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:17:38
From: Tamb
ID: 1699266
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

That’s some really bad weed, man.


Like brown acid.

Yeah. Don’t take the brown acid, man.

From Woodstock?


Yes.

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:18:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1699268
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Bubblecar said:


Here’s NASA on the subject.

On the Hunt for a Missing Giant Black Hole

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/images/on-the-hunt-for-a-missing-giant-black-hole.html

Interesting article.

I thought the black hole had been detected, then disappeared, but it seems it was never found in the first place, which suggests it probably isn’t there.

Maybe new physics comes into play when blackholes get sufficiently massive, and they transfer over to a parallel universe.

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:20:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1699270
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

Here’s NASA on the subject.

On the Hunt for a Missing Giant Black Hole

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/images/on-the-hunt-for-a-missing-giant-black-hole.html

Interesting article.

I thought the black hole had been detected, then disappeared, but it seems it was never found in the first place, which suggests it probably isn’t there.

Maybe new physics comes into play when blackholes get sufficiently massive, and they transfer over to a parallel universe.

Maybe it stepped into a slide zone?

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:22:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1699272
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Here’s NASA on the subject.

On the Hunt for a Missing Giant Black Hole

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/images/on-the-hunt-for-a-missing-giant-black-hole.html

Interesting article.

I thought the black hole had been detected, then disappeared, but it seems it was never found in the first place, which suggests it probably isn’t there.

Maybe new physics comes into play when blackholes get sufficiently massive, and they transfer over to a parallel universe.

Maybe it stepped into a slide zone?

Or perhaps slid into a step zone.

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:23:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699273
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

“Yesterday, up in the air,
I saw a star which wasn’t there!
it wasn’t there again today,
Oh how I wish it’d go away

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:25:06
From: Tamb
ID: 1699275
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

JudgeMental said:


“Yesterday, up in the air,
I saw a star which wasn’t there!
it wasn’t there again today,
Oh how I wish it’d go away

Edward Lear?

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:26:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699276
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Tamb said:


JudgeMental said:

“Yesterday, up in the air,
I saw a star which wasn’t there!
it wasn’t there again today,
Oh how I wish it’d go away

Edward Lear?

William Hughes Mearns

“Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn’t there!
He wasn’t there again today,
Oh how I wish he’d go away!”

When I came home last night at three,
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall,
I couldn’t see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door…

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn’t there,
He wasn’t there again today
Oh, how I wish he’d go away….

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Date: 20/02/2021 09:27:49
From: Tamb
ID: 1699277
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

JudgeMental said:


Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

“Yesterday, up in the air,
I saw a star which wasn’t there!
it wasn’t there again today,
Oh how I wish it’d go away

Edward Lear?

William Hughes Mearns

“Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn’t there!
He wasn’t there again today,
Oh how I wish he’d go away!”

When I came home last night at three,
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall,
I couldn’t see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door…

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn’t there,
He wasn’t there again today
Oh, how I wish he’d go away….


Thanks. He’d slipped my mind.

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Date: 20/02/2021 10:24:08
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1699311
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Bubblecar said:


Here’s NASA on the subject.

On the Hunt for a Missing Giant Black Hole

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/images/on-the-hunt-for-a-missing-giant-black-hole.html

Two obvious explanations.

1) Either the black hole is on a diet. A black hole of a diet can’t be seen by Candra or Hubble. This seems the most sensible explanation.
2) Or the black hole never existed in the first place. There’s no fundamental physical law that says that supermassive black holes must exist.

The hypothesis that gravitational waves pushed it out of the centre of the galaxy by “recoil” sound like pure rubbish to me. But I could be wrong.

quote=Tau.Neutrino
> Black Holes disappearing…

> Has this been discussed ?
New to me.

> Has a dust cloud, gas cloud, large object like a dark star / dead star / brown star been ruled out?
Pretty well, yes. A black hole generating X-rays isn’t easily obscured by a dust cloud or anything else.

> Are any more going to disappear?
This is a case of non-detection rather than disappearance. There could be quite a few others that can’t be detected.

> What would it take to cover both hemispheres for future disappearing black holes?
We’re talking supermassive black hole here. You’d need something that would block X-rays without turning those X-rays in to heat. Even a big thickness of rock won’t do that. A huge massively thick dust cloud perhaps. Much easier to clear all the debris away from the back hole’s environment. A black hole that doesn’t eat, doesn’t glow.

> Are they disappearing like quantum bubbles? If black holes are disappearing and particles pop in and out of existence according to quantum physics.
That would be on a totally different scale. If I understand correctly, virtual black holes can pop in and out of existence along with virtual electrons. But that’s tiny.

> Could this quantum bubble thing be bigger than we thought?
Not without swallowing the galaxy.

> Are black holes doing kind of the same thing but at a larger scale? Have any disappeared in the past?
Actually yes, but for galactic black holes on a timescale somewhere in the rough order of 10^67 years. The universe is only 1.38*10^10 years. So it won’t have happened even once in the whole history of the universe.

> What is the ratio (in size / scale) between quantum particles and black holes?
We’re considering supermassive (galactic) black holes here. Say 4.5*10^6 solar masses. The Sun is 2*10^30 kg. Quantum particles 10^-30 kg.
Multiply it out. Mass ratio 10^67.

LOL. That’s a peculiar coincidence with the answer to the previous question.

> Could past recordings be scanned for BHs disappearing?

We already have one, of a sort. Hanny’s Voorwerp is a light echo from a supermassive black hole that was much brighter 100,000 years ago.

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Date: 20/02/2021 21:28:08
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1699670
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

Tau.Neutrino said:


Black Holes disappearing…

Has this been discussed ?

Has a dust cloud, gas cloud, large object like a dark star / dead star / brown star been ruled out?

Was Wookie pointing something at the black hole when it decided to disappear?

Are any more going to disappear?

What would it take to cover both hemispheres for future disappearing black holes?

Are they disappearing like quantum bubbles?

Could this quantum bubble thing be bigger than we thought?

It was wookie wasn’t it?


The risk assessment for disappearing a black hole is enormous ( and rarely given at this point).

Using the rubber skin analogy the black hole stretches downwards until it touches another surface is absorbed onto that surface and the skin rebounds upwards leaving no trace??

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Date: 20/02/2021 22:46:25
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1699683
Subject: re: Black Holes Disappearing

wookiemeister said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Black Holes disappearing…

Has this been discussed ?

Has a dust cloud, gas cloud, large object like a dark star / dead star / brown star been ruled out?

Was Wookie pointing something at the black hole when it decided to disappear?

Are any more going to disappear?

What would it take to cover both hemispheres for future disappearing black holes?

Are they disappearing like quantum bubbles?

Could this quantum bubble thing be bigger than we thought?

It was wookie wasn’t it?


The risk assessment for disappearing a black hole is enormous ( and rarely given at this point).

Using the rubber skin analogy the black hole stretches downwards until it touches another surface is absorbed onto that surface and the skin rebounds upwards leaving no trace??

You were right, T.N., it was wookie.

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