Date: 20/02/2021 18:01:09
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1699610
Subject: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.
Caroline Delbert 13 hrs ago

This ferret died 33 years ago—and scientists just brought her back to life. Meet Elizabeth Ann, the very first clone of a U.S. endangered species. A brand new cloned black-footed ferret is bringing diverse genes back to a small group. When Willa the ferret died in 1998, scientists froze her with hopes to return her genetic material to the ferret species. All black-footed ferrets today were bred from a group of just seven surviving animals. For the first time, scientists have cloned an endangered U.S. species: a black-footed ferret named Elizabeth Ann, whose donor has been dead for more than 30 years.

After the original ferret, Willa, died in 1988, scientists froze her body to preserve her genetic material, hoping to someday perform an experiment like this. While a domesticated ferret carried the cloned embryo, the new ferret, who is being raised at a Fish and Wildlife Service black-footed ferret breeding facility in Fort Collins, Colorado, is still very wild, with all the instincts and aggression that suggests.

This is a fresh success story for the black-footed ferret, which has become emblematic of how well conservation and repopulation efforts can work. First, scientists thought the ferret was extinct, after frustrated ranchers poisoned almost all of the animals in the wild. Then, the population grew from a group of just a few, so there are about 1,000 wild black ferrets today—plus populations in wildlife preserves, zoos, and other supervised programs.

Willa was a special animal even before she died. Because of the way black-footed ferrets came back from believed extinction, each animal was precious to the genetic diversity—and with it, the robustness and trait vigor—of the entire new population. So freezing Willa was a way to preserve an important genetic specimen in order for future scientists to find a way to bring those genes back to the group.

“When Willa died, the Wyoming Game and Fish Department sent her tissues to a‘frozen zoo’ run by San Diego Zoo Global that maintains cells from more than 1,100 species and subspecies worldwide,” the Associated Press’s Mead Gruver reports.

For now, cloning Willa is a huge help—but that’s not the end of the plans for frozen animals like her.“Eventually scientists may be able to modify those genes to help cloned animals survive,” Gruver writes.

Willa’s genes were fertilized into an embryo and then carried by a“regular” domestic ferret, who gave birth to Elizabeth Ann. A fellow black-footed ferret didn’t carry the embryo because of the regular risks associated with pregnancy. With the success of this procedure, animal conservators feel more confident about bringing back other specimens, including those that will require genetic patching or modification in order to even be successfully cloned.

If this conjures memories of Jurassic Park, you’re not alone. Fears of unintended consequences are valid, but animals like passenger pigeons and the dodo went extinct because of human irresponsibility—not some specific feature of their ecosystems or climates. Scientists say the benefits of raising the dead outweigh the drawbacks, even if only so that other researchers can study a passenger pigeon in real life instead of textbooks.

Mammals are easier to clone than birds, the scientists say, because birds lay eggs that add complexity to the cloning process. Having Willa’s genetic material back in the mix could make the black-footed ferret more genetically robust and prepared to survive in the wild. For some future cloned passenger pigeon, we might use domestic pigeon genes to make them more robust.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:02:24
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1699613
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

Read that this morning and thought of Cymek.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:02:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1699614
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

Interesting, ta.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:03:14
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1699615
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

Divine Angel said:


Read that this morning and thought of Cymek.

As far as ferrets go the clone is a cutie.

Made me think of woollly mammoths.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:04:29
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1699616
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

And then I thought about those people that took part in cytogenesis like Walt Disney.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:05:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1699617
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

monkey skipper said:


And then I thought about those people that took part in cytogenesis like Walt Disney.

He didn’t really, it’s an urban myth. He was cremated.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:07:35
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1699618
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

Bubblecar said:


monkey skipper said:

And then I thought about those people that took part in cytogenesis like Walt Disney.

He didn’t really, it’s an urban myth. He was cremated.

That’s what they want you to believe. He’s just frozen until there’s no more Jews in Hollywood.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:13:19
From: sibeen
ID: 1699621
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

Divine Angel said:


Read that this morning and thought of Cymek.

Gee, I thought he just went in to get a stent or a bypass.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:28:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1699627
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

Bubblecar said:


monkey skipper said:

And then I thought about those people that took part in cytogenesis like Walt Disney.

He didn’t really, it’s an urban myth. He was cremated.

That was unintentional. they were trying just to thaw him out.

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:32:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1699629
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

JudgeMental said:


Bubblecar said:

monkey skipper said:

And then I thought about those people that took part in cytogenesis like Walt Disney.

He didn’t really, it’s an urban myth. He was cremated.

That was unintentional. they were trying just to thaw him out.

His tombstone and monumental grave is a dummy?

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:51:53
From: Neophyte
ID: 1699633
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

That headline’s a bit misleading – after all, if we managed to clone Rodney, we could hardly claim to have brought him back to life…

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Date: 20/02/2021 18:54:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1699635
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

Neophyte said:


That headline’s a bit misleading – after all, if we managed to clone Rodney, we could hardly claim to have brought him back to life…

That’s what I was thinking.

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Date: 20/02/2021 19:08:04
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1699643
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

roughbarked said:


Neophyte said:

That headline’s a bit misleading – after all, if we managed to clone Rodney, we could hardly claim to have brought him back to life…

That’s what I was thinking.

Do they usually clone dead things?

I know owners clone pets is they before they pass away or…?

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Date: 20/02/2021 19:41:45
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1699655
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

> the very first clone of a U.S. endangered species

Excellent. We hope for many more.

> Willa’s genes were fertilized into an embryo and then carried by a“regular” domestic ferret

Bingo. I said just last week on facebook on SSSF that a placenta from one species could carry the embryo of another species – and got booed for the statement by three people who didn’t believe me. How many thousand/million years ago did the two species diverge?

> “When Willa died, the Wyoming Game and Fish Department sent her tissues to a‘frozen zoo’ run by San Diego Zoo Global that maintains cells from more than 1,100 species and subspecies worldwide,”

Nice. Is there a list of the species (forget subspecies) somewhere?
And what do they mean by “tissues”? Skin cells? Egg cells? What?

> Willa’s genes were fertilized into an embryo

What exactly does that mean? Fertilisation normally requires both male and female. And no male has been mentioned.
So did they generate a sperm from Willa’s cells, or is “fertilisation” an inexact description of what was actual;ly done?

> Mammals are easier to clone than birds, the scientists say, because birds lay eggs that add complexity to the cloning process.

I’d figured that. Though in birds it ought to be far easier to find a compatible uterus from another species because there is no placenta to worry about.

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Date: 20/02/2021 20:37:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1699665
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

mollwollfumble said:


> the very first clone of a U.S. endangered species

Excellent. We hope for many more.

> Willa’s genes were fertilized into an embryo and then carried by a“regular” domestic ferret

Bingo. I said just last week on facebook on SSSF that a placenta from one species could carry the embryo of another species – and got booed for the statement by three people who didn’t believe me. How many thousand/million years ago did the two species diverge?

> “When Willa died, the Wyoming Game and Fish Department sent her tissues to a‘frozen zoo’ run by San Diego Zoo Global that maintains cells from more than 1,100 species and subspecies worldwide,”

Nice. Is there a list of the species (forget subspecies) somewhere?
And what do they mean by “tissues”? Skin cells? Egg cells? What?

> Willa’s genes were fertilized into an embryo

What exactly does that mean? Fertilisation normally requires both male and female. And no male has been mentioned.
So did they generate a sperm from Willa’s cells, or is “fertilisation” an inexact description of what was actual;ly done?

> Mammals are easier to clone than birds, the scientists say, because birds lay eggs that add complexity to the cloning process.

I’d figured that. Though in birds it ought to be far easier to find a compatible uterus from another species because there is no placenta to worry about.

Website for San Diego Frozen Zoo https://institute.sandiegozoo.org/resources/frozen-zoo%C2%AE

“living cell lines, gametes, and embryos”

“Germplasm stored in the Frozen Zoo® has the potential to produce offspring when used for in vitro oocyte maturation and fertilization, artificial insemination, and embryo transfer. Successful artificial insemination of cryopreserved sperm has produced chicks of several pheasant species, and frozen cat oocytes have been matured and fertilized in vitro to form advanced stage embryos. Using methods developed in the domestic cat model, thawed cheetah sperm has fertilized an in vitro matured cheetah oocyte, which then developed into an embryo. With intracytoplasmic sperm injection, southern white rhino oocytes were fertilized with sperm frozen for 20 years.”

“Whole genome sequencing projects for African elephants, two-toed sloths, and gorillas have all benefitted”.

“Przewalski’s horse”.

Black-footed ferret. “It was thought extinct until Lucille Hogg’s dog brought a dead black-footed ferret to her door in Meeteetse, Wyoming, in 1981”

“close relative, the Asian steppe polecat with which it was once thought to be conspecific. The Asian steppe polecat is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN because of its wide distribution, occurrence in a number of protected areas, and tolerance to some degree of habitat modification.”

The following is the distribution of the Asian steppe polecat.

So, little more than a subspecies, then. :-(

“Molecular evidence indicates that the steppe polecat and black-footed ferret diverged from M. stromeri between 500,000 and 2,000,000 years ago”.

The domestic ferret is Mustela putorius, and is closely related to the polecats. The following chart has the black-footed ferret Mustela nigripes and steppe polecat Mustela eversmanii and the domestic ferret. All very closely related.

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Date: 20/02/2021 20:57:42
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1699667
Subject: re: This Ferret Died 33 Years Ago. Scientists Just Brought Her Back to Life.

I still don’t know what they mean by “fertilised” in this case.

It looks like the original press release was here, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/pressrel/2021/02182021-USFWS-and-Partners-Innovative-Genetic-Cloning-Research-Black-footed-Ferret-Conservation.php

“A genomic study revealed Willa’s genome possessed three times more unique variations than the living population. Therefore, if Elizabeth Ann successfully mates and reproduces, she could provide unique genetic diversity to the species.”

“The surrogate mother was transferred from ViaGen Pets & Equine to the Service’s National Black-Footed Ferret Conservation Center (NBFFCC) mid-gestation to give birth.”

Photos of cloned ferret Elizabeth Ann on https://flickr.com/photos/usfwsmtnprairie/albums/72157718342229772

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