The other thread is out of date, so here’s a new one.
:)
Michael V said:
The other thread is out of date, so here’s a new one.:)
thx
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
The other thread is out of date, so here’s a new one.:)
thx
^
damn time flies when you’re having doughnut days
(there, we gloated, now something will happen and Sweden will laugh at us)
This chart is supposed to demonstrate that {mobility (lockdown), not seasonality, explains Sweden} but the axes do not help the interpretation much.
SCIENCE said:
> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
What’s the difference between “Baseline for 2020” and “Red line is 2020”? Baseline = non-covid deaths?
Dark Orange said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
What’s the difference between “Baseline for 2020” and “Red line is 2020”? Baseline = non-covid deaths?
Maybe that’s what they mean by “Baseline is extrapolated…”
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
Oh, this is priceless. I’ll enlarge the part of that chart that deals with Australia.
Australia has an excess death due to Covid-19 of minus 4,700 people.
ie. 4,700 fewer people died in Australia than would have died if we hadn’t had Covid-19.
That’s 19 people per 100,000 population that were saved by Covid.
And is a 3% lower death rate in Australia than if we hadn’t had Covid.
New Zealand managed a 6% reduction in death rate due to Covid-19.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
Oh, this is priceless. I’ll enlarge the part of that chart that deals with Australia.
Australia has an excess death due to Covid-19 of minus 4,700 people.
ie. 4,700 fewer people died in Australia than would have died if we hadn’t had Covid-19.
That’s 19 people per 100,000 population that were saved by Covid.
And is a 3% lower death rate in Australia than if we hadn’t had Covid.New Zealand managed a 6% reduction in death rate due to Covid-19.
My guess, reduced other respiratory deaths eg flu et al
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
Oh, this is priceless. I’ll enlarge the part of that chart that deals with Australia.
Australia has an excess death due to Covid-19 of minus 4,700 people.
ie. 4,700 fewer people died in Australia than would have died if we hadn’t had Covid-19.
That’s 19 people per 100,000 population that were saved by Covid.
And is a 3% lower death rate in Australia than if we hadn’t had Covid.New Zealand managed a 6% reduction in death rate due to Covid-19.
Surely that’s just what you would expect in countries with a low covid death rate.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
Oh, this is priceless. I’ll enlarge the part of that chart that deals with Australia.
Australia has an excess death due to Covid-19 of minus 4,700 people.
ie. 4,700 fewer people died in Australia than would have died if we hadn’t had Covid-19.
That’s 19 people per 100,000 population that were saved by Covid.
And is a 3% lower death rate in Australia than if we hadn’t had Covid.New Zealand managed a 6% reduction in death rate due to Covid-19.
Note that looks to be a predicted death rate based upon previous years. Questions should be asked how they came up with that – was it just a quick and dirty average, or was there more factors included. And even then, the actual death rate looks to be within the boundaries of previous years, but you can’t tell with graphs printed that small.
Dark Orange said:
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:> https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality
Locking that in to read later. Looks very interesting.
Oh, this is priceless. I’ll enlarge the part of that chart that deals with Australia.
Australia has an excess death due to Covid-19 of minus 4,700 people.
ie. 4,700 fewer people died in Australia than would have died if we hadn’t had Covid-19.
That’s 19 people per 100,000 population that were saved by Covid.
And is a 3% lower death rate in Australia than if we hadn’t had Covid.New Zealand managed a 6% reduction in death rate due to Covid-19.
Note that looks to be a predicted death rate based upon previous years. Questions should be asked how they came up with that – was it just a quick and dirty average, or was there more factors included. And even then, the actual death rate looks to be within the boundaries of previous years, but you can’t tell with graphs printed that small.
Here are the Australian stats. Note that the next update, which will finish 2020 off is due in about three days time.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-oct-2020
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:
mollwollfumble said:Oh, this is priceless. I’ll enlarge the part of that chart that deals with Australia.
Australia has an excess death due to Covid-19 of minus 4,700 people.
ie. 4,700 fewer people died in Australia than would have died if we hadn’t had Covid-19.
That’s 19 people per 100,000 population that were saved by Covid.
And is a 3% lower death rate in Australia than if we hadn’t had Covid.New Zealand managed a 6% reduction in death rate due to Covid-19.
Note that looks to be a predicted death rate based upon previous years. Questions should be asked how they came up with that – was it just a quick and dirty average, or was there more factors included. And even then, the actual death rate looks to be within the boundaries of previous years, but you can’t tell with graphs printed that small.
Here are the Australian stats. Note that the next update, which will finish 2020 off is due in about three days time.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-oct-2020
Respiratory deaths were actually down. Most causes of death have been down.
Once the borders are opened all that flu from south East is going to come charging back into the country.
And if you want the fine detail:
http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System
buffy said:
And if you want the fine detail:http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm
National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System
That one is not deaths, it’s notifications of diseases.
wait up is the discussion now about how in Pandemic Control countries there is a mortality deficit that isn’t socially or economically acceptable and we must find a way to make up the deficit in coming years
SCIENCE said:
wait up is the discussion now about how in Pandemic Control countries there is a mortality deficit that isn’t socially or economically acceptable and we must find a way to make up the deficit in coming years
That’s a bit dark
https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/vaccine-passports-open-doors-in-israel-20210221-p574e6.html
This one is a big statement…
“COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in a primary analysis of phase three trial.”
From 3 hrs ago…Greg Hunt…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-day-one/13174022
buffy said:
This one is a big statement…“COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in a primary analysis of phase three trial.”
From 3 hrs ago…Greg Hunt…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-day-one/13174022
well not so big to say 100% protection against 25% of cases
but how does it compare to the alternatives
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
This one is a big statement…“COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in a primary analysis of phase three trial.”
From 3 hrs ago…Greg Hunt…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-day-one/13174022
well not so big to say 100% protection against 25% of cases
but how does it compare to the alternatives
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
This one is a big statement…“COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in a primary analysis of phase three trial.”
From 3 hrs ago…Greg Hunt…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-day-one/13174022
well not so big to say 100% protection against 25% of cases
but how does it compare to the alternatives
Oops
>>well not so big to say 100% protection against 25% of cases<<
What?
buffy said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:well not so big to say 100% protection against 25% of cases
but how does it compare to the alternatives
Oops
>>well not so big to say 100% protection against 25% of cases<<
What?
confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death
¿what
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/australian-doctor-on-the-who-covid-19-mission-china-origin-covid/13180078
Where are you in Australia’s Coronavirus Vaccine Queue?
No jab no play, people.
:-)
Link open SBS website.
Rule 303 said:
Where are you in Australia’s Coronavirus Vaccine Queue?No jab no play, people.
:-)
Link open SBS website.
1A
buffy said:
This one is a big statement…“COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in a primary analysis of phase three trial.”
From 3 hrs ago…Greg Hunt…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/coronavirus-australia-live-news-vaccine-rollout-day-one/13174022
Not good enough for the PM though ;)
Rule 303 said:
Where are you in Australia’s Coronavirus Vaccine Queue?No jab no play, people.
:-)
Link open SBS website.
4
JudgeMental said:
Rule 303 said:
Where are you in Australia’s Coronavirus Vaccine Queue?No jab no play, people.
:-)
Link open SBS website.
1A
1B
there are millions in your group and half a million in the group ahead.
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
Rule 303 said:
Where are you in Australia’s Coronavirus Vaccine Queue?No jab no play, people.
:-)
Link open SBS website.
1A
1B
there are millions in your group and half a million in the group ahead.
It’s not a competition…
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:1A
1B
there are millions in your group and half a million in the group ahead.
It’s not a competition…
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:1A
1B
there are millions in your group and half a million in the group ahead.
It’s not a competition…
oh :(
I might go sit outside and sulk for a while anyway.
Divine Angel said:
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:1B
there are millions in your group and half a million in the group ahead.
It’s not a competition…
The real competition is who gets the bestest lollipop.
Sugar is the second rung of the analgesia ladder for little kids, but I don’t think it works for big kids.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:1B
there are millions in your group and half a million in the group ahead.
It’s not a competition…
oh :(
I might go sit outside and sulk for a while anyway.
Allow me to recommend Lalochezia.
Group 2 something or other. I’m under 70.
Rule 303 said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:It’s not a competition…
oh :(
I might go sit outside and sulk for a while anyway.
Allow me to recommend Lalochezia.
From Dictionary.com:
“… But while use of the word is rare, the thing it describes is probably very common.”
A refined chap like a dictionary editor wouldn’t know the frequency of such a thing first hand of course :)
Michael V said:
Group 2 something or other. I’m under 70.
I’ll be 1b in April.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Group 2 something or other. I’m under 70.
I’ll be 1b in April.
That’s young. I’ll be 67 in April.
Both my parents are in group 2.
Rule 303 said:
Where are you in Australia’s Coronavirus Vaccine Queue?No jab no play, people.
:-)
Link open SBS website.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australian-open-trophy-presentation-interrupted-after-fans-boo-mentions-of-the-coronavirus-vaccine
just watched that above^ from same page, the wording was a bit loaded toward an absence or depressed optimism, perhaps caused by there being no vaccine, was my reading of it, word spin in my opinion, to encourage conformity to vaccination rollout, which isn’t a bad thing, the intentions are utilitarian, but it’s probably a bit of a stretch to presume and generalize those two parts of the proposition, tie them together that way, probably looks like a device
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Group 2 something or other. I’m under 70.
I’ll be 1b in April.
I’m well down the list. Nothing wrong with me to move me up the list.
:)
Rule 303 said:
Divine Angel said:
Rule 303 said:It’s not a competition…
The real competition is who gets the bestest lollipop.Sugar is the second rung of the analgesia ladder for little kids, but I don’t think it works for big kids.
sure it does you just have to sit it around in Saccharomyces for a bit
marginally less facetiously, chocolate so there
socialism
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.html
More than one in 10 Covid patients died within five months of being discharged from hospital, while almost a third of those who survived the virus had to be readmitted, new research has warned.
Papers released by the governments Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) also revealed half of patients in hospital with the virus suffered complications, with one in four struggling when they got back home.
One study looking at 47,780 coronavirus patients who were discharged alive by the end of August last year found 30 per cent of patients, 14,000, were readmitted to hospital within 140 days while 12 per cent, 5,875, died.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.htmlMore than one in 10 Covid patients died within five months of being discharged from hospital, while almost a third of those who survived the virus had to be readmitted, new research has warned.
Papers released by the governments Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) also revealed half of patients in hospital with the virus suffered complications, with one in four struggling when they got back home.
One study looking at 47,780 coronavirus patients who were discharged alive by the end of August last year found 30 per cent of patients, 14,000, were readmitted to hospital within 140 days while 12 per cent, 5,875, died.
So what you’re saying is don’t expect the death rate to drop to zero for at least 3 or 4 months after the number of cases is brought down to zero? In countries with a big Covids problem.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.htmlMore than one in 10 Covid patients died within five months of being discharged from hospital, while almost a third of those who survived the virus had to be readmitted, new research has warned.
Papers released by the governments Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) also revealed half of patients in hospital with the virus suffered complications, with one in four struggling when they got back home.
One study looking at 47,780 coronavirus patients who were discharged alive by the end of August last year found 30 per cent of patients, 14,000, were readmitted to hospital within 140 days while 12 per cent, 5,875, died.
Gosh!
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-hospitals-death-long-covid-b1804704.htmlMore than one in 10 Covid patients died within five months of being discharged from hospital, while almost a third of those who survived the virus had to be readmitted, new research has warned.
Papers released by the governments Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) also revealed half of patients in hospital with the virus suffered complications, with one in four struggling when they got back home.
One study looking at 47,780 coronavirus patients who were discharged alive by the end of August last year found 30 per cent of patients, 14,000, were readmitted to hospital within 140 days while 12 per cent, 5,875, died.
So what you’re saying is don’t expect the death rate to drop to zero for at least 3 or 4 months after the number of cases is brought down to zero? In countries with a big Covids problem.
We haven’t really looked into it heaps but that would seem to be the implication… there seems to be ongoing controversy in many countries over what counts as a death caused by / associated with / (other qualifier) COVID-19 and apparently some even have time-based cutoffs so it’s hard to say.
One author who has done statistics on it all suggests an expectation value of 3 weeks to die from COVID-19 (among other, population, delays). Fighting on in an adequately-resourced intensive care unit might prolong things (remember Vietnam discharged the British pilot alive after months https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009).
Meanwhile here’s a claim implying that wearing N95 masks is more effective than an AstraZeneca shot (62%) …
It doesn’t clearly say that (not even the 63% bit as far as we could tell) in the article, though. (It contains ~63% in relation to other things.)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.17.20176842v1.full.pdf
Of the HCWs that participated, 41 (4.7%)tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, marking a substantially higher infection rate than that of the general population (0.3%);22 (53.6%) of infections were confirmed or likely occupational,including 7 (31.8%) from colleagues. Additionally,5(26.3%) ofotherinfections were from colleagues outside the working facilities.14 (63.6%) of occupational infections occurredwhile using a surgical mask. No occupational infections were found while using an FFP2/3 respirator and aerosol precautionswhile treating suspected or confirmed COVID-19 patients.
Some of you will be pleased to realise that we acknowledge the Australian government have been wise enough to avert the following problem here …
Thousands of healthcare workers are refusing to take the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine over concerns about side effects and efficacy, with some arguing that they should be prioritized for the more effective doses from Pfizer and Moderna.
… though they haven’t really acted on / listened to advice from local experts (refer link previous post) and we continue to consider that there are many things that could have been done better.
LOLWTF
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/bad-air/618106/
We’re Just Rediscovering a 19th-Century Pandemic Strategy
The first way to fight a new virus would once have been opening the windows.
I felt secure, foolishly, in our 100 additional years of innovation. But it would soon become clear that our full-body hazmat suits and negative-pressure rooms and HEPA filters mattered little to Americans who couldn’t find N95 masks. In our quest for perfect solutions, we’d forgotten an extremely obvious and simple one: fresh air. A colleague joked, at one point, that things would have gone better in the pandemic if we still believed in miasma theory.
—
their title is “What Science Forgot About Airborne Pandemics” but we object just a little; we can tell you now, we did not forget at all, we were drowned out by all the arseholes who tried to “drain the swamp”, by accusing us of being a swamp and trying to drain their shit into the swamp
SCIENCE said:
LOLWTFhttps://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/bad-air/618106/
We’re Just Rediscovering a 19th-Century Pandemic Strategy
The first way to fight a new virus would once have been opening the windows.
I felt secure, foolishly, in our 100 additional years of innovation. But it would soon become clear that our full-body hazmat suits and negative-pressure rooms and HEPA filters mattered little to Americans who couldn’t find N95 masks. In our quest for perfect solutions, we’d forgotten an extremely obvious and simple one: fresh air. A colleague joked, at one point, that things would have gone better in the pandemic if we still believed in miasma theory.
—
their title is “What Science Forgot About Airborne Pandemics” but we object just a little; we can tell you now, we did not forget at all, we were drowned out by all the arseholes who tried to “drain the swamp”, by accusing us of being a swamp and trying to drain their shit into the swamp
yeah read some statistics quite a way back of the other recent nasty viruses, related cross-infection within hospitals, sort of pointed more to old school, windows open to outside
“The recent detection of M. ulcerans in Melbourne’s inner north means this location is a new area of interest,” the health advisory said.
“However, the risk of transmission in these areas is considered low.”
The disease is not transmissible from person to person, and there is no evidence of transmission between possums and humans, the department said.
That’s what they said!
Disclaimer: there are big differences between M. and COVID-19…
Daily new cases worldwide didn’t drop as much this week.
¿ reckon the bats got all the low hanging fruit already then ?
“Two residents in Brisbane aged care facility given four times the amount of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine”
Oh dear.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/coronavirus-queensland-vaccine-overdose-aged-care-brisbane/13179280
Michael V said:
“Two residents in Brisbane aged care facility given four times the amount of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine”Oh dear.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/coronavirus-queensland-vaccine-overdose-aged-care-brisbane/13179280
Ah multi dose vials, we already knew what could go wrong.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
“Two residents in Brisbane aged care facility given four times the amount of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine”Oh dear.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/coronavirus-queensland-vaccine-overdose-aged-care-brisbane/13179280
Ah multi dose vials, we already knew what could go wrong.
nods
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
“Two residents in Brisbane aged care facility given four times the amount of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine”Oh dear.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/coronavirus-queensland-vaccine-overdose-aged-care-brisbane/13179280
Ah multi dose vials, we already knew what could go wrong.
nods
^
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
“Two residents in Brisbane aged care facility given four times the amount of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine”Oh dear.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/coronavirus-queensland-vaccine-overdose-aged-care-brisbane/13179280
Ah multi dose vials, we already knew what could go wrong.
LOL @ Big Pharma relying on administrative controls.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
“Two residents in Brisbane aged care facility given four times the amount of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine”Oh dear.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/coronavirus-queensland-vaccine-overdose-aged-care-brisbane/13179280
Ah multi dose vials, we already knew what could go wrong.
You mean no other mass vaccination “events” use multi dosers? Surely we know the protocols for such things.
New cases per day. Brazil is now only a fraction short of the USA. 63,000 new cases a day.
Third worst is France with ‘only’ 20,000 new cases today.
New cases is dropping sharply in the USA. 69,000 today.
But not in Brazil. Briazil new cases is holding steady.
So what is Brazil doing wroing?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55699535
18 Jan “Covid: Brazil approves and rolls out AstraZeneca and Sinovac vaccines”.
So, a month late in vaccine approval and roll-out in Brazil.
And as for roll-out, two vaccine doses have ben dispensed as of 18 Jan, for emergency reasons.
If I read it correctly, roll-out has not begun yet.
There have been complaints that people asking for vaccines in Brazil have been given placebo injections instead.
“President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil has been heavily criticised for his handling of the pandemic. The far-right leader has played down the pandemic from the beginning, promoted an unproven treatment for the disease and gone against measures including mask-wearing and social distancing.”
New cases have not been dropping in France, either. I see a problem. France has so far (until Feb 25) only limited vaccines to over 75s and those with other life-threatening illnesses. This is a bad strategy because does nothing to reduce the spread of new cases. As of Feb 25, people over 50 will be eligible for vaccine. From the data, new cases of Covid haven’t been dropping at all in France, but new deaths due to Covid have been dropping.
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
“Two residents in Brisbane aged care facility given four times the amount of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine”Oh dear.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/coronavirus-queensland-vaccine-overdose-aged-care-brisbane/13179280
Ah multi dose vials, we already knew what could go wrong.
You mean no other mass vaccination “events” use multi dosers? Surely we know the protocols for such things.
Also what’s the go with this, in the one butt cheek if you have a 65% efficacy vaccine they’re all “actually it’s 100% effective for selected* subgroups”, but if someone gives a quad-dose that looked as safe as the standard dose in trials suddenly they’re all “OMG this undermines the whole vaccination programme and safety is in doubt and we better report up to the regulators right now” ¿
*: selected by identifying which subgroups had 100% efficacy
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:Ah multi dose vials, we already knew what could go wrong.
You mean no other mass vaccination “events” use multi dosers? Surely we know the protocols for such things.
Also what’s the go with this, in the one butt cheek if you have a 65% efficacy vaccine they’re all “actually it’s 100% effective for selected* subgroups”, but if someone gives a quad-dose that looked as safe as the standard dose in trials suddenly they’re all “OMG this undermines the whole vaccination programme and safety is in doubt and we better report up to the regulators right now” ¿
*: selected by identifying which subgroups had 100% efficacy
Buffys post is too far back, this isn’t a response to science rambling.
The last mass vaccination for swine flu didn’t use multi dose vials, around 2008 or 2009?. There hasn’t been something of this scale for quite some time, and previously multi dose vials were also used. It’s already known there’s a higher chance of incorrect doses and infection if protocols aren’t followed. Nearly all vaccines given commonly today are in pre filled syringes.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:You mean no other mass vaccination “events” use multi dosers? Surely we know the protocols for such things.
Also what’s the go with this, in the one butt cheek if you have a 65% efficacy vaccine they’re all “actually it’s 100% effective for selected* subgroups”, but in the other deltoid if someone gives a quad-dose that looked as safe as the standard dose in trials suddenly they’re all “OMG this undermines the whole vaccination programme and safety is in doubt and we better report up to the regulators right now” ¿
*: selected by identifying which subgroups had 100% efficacy
Buffys post is too far back, this isn’t a response to science rambling.
The last mass vaccination for swine flu didn’t use multi dose vials, around 2008 or 2009?. There hasn’t been something of this scale for quite some time, and previously multi dose vials were also used. It’s already known there’s a higher chance of incorrect doses and infection if protocols aren’t followed. Nearly all vaccines given commonly today are in pre filled syringes.
Good point we didn’t complete our metaphor. Fixed.
Generally any dosing error for any vaccination has to be reported to the feds as well as any side effects or adverse reactions.
The doctor will be reported to the federal medical regulator over the error.
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we mean we’re not saying it’s wrong to report errors, but we should be fair
poikilotherm said:
Generally any dosing error for any vaccination has to be reported to the feds as well as any side effects or adverse reactions.
the Gram is reporting that the doctor hadn’t finished his required vaccination training..
SCIENCE said:
The doctor will be reported to the federal medical regulator over the error.—
we mean we’re not saying it’s wrong to report errors, but we should be fair
Meh, I’ve heard of people being reported for less.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:You mean no other mass vaccination “events” use multi dosers? Surely we know the protocols for such things.
Also what’s the go with this, in the one butt cheek if you have a 65% efficacy vaccine they’re all “actually it’s 100% effective for selected* subgroups”, but if someone gives a quad-dose that looked as safe as the standard dose in trials suddenly they’re all “OMG this undermines the whole vaccination programme and safety is in doubt and we better report up to the regulators right now” ¿
*: selected by identifying which subgroups had 100% efficacy
Buffys post is too far back, this isn’t a response to science rambling.
The last mass vaccination for swine flu didn’t use multi dose vials, around 2008 or 2009?. There hasn’t been something of this scale for quite some time, and previously multi dose vials were also used. It’s already known there’s a higher chance of incorrect doses and infection if protocols aren’t followed. Nearly all vaccines given commonly today are in pre filled syringes.
Thanks poik. So I guess the biggest “mass” vaccinations usually would be the school based ones for HPV, the triple one and the meningococcal one. There are more vaxes now than when I went to school. I reckon we had the BCG and Sabin at school. Oh, and I came in on the beginning of the girls having a Rubella vax. I’ve got a vague memory of Mum saying I should have it despite having had Rubella when I was younger.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
The doctor will be reported to the federal medical regulator over the error.—
we mean we’re not saying it’s wrong to report errors, but we should be fair
Meh, I’ve heard of people being reported for less.
Apparently I hit a patient once. When the board contacted me I couldn’t even place the patient. I had my records, but there had been nothing unusual in any way about the consultation. The board decided nothing had happened. (Pt was a little “odd” and may have been trying to get at me because Mr buffy was at that time the speed camera operator. That was Mr buffy’s conspiracy theory)
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
wait up is the discussion now about how in Pandemic Control countries there is a mortality deficit that isn’t socially or economically acceptable and we must find a way to make up the deficit in coming years
That’s a bit dark
Dik, Brian and Vera’s families paid top dollar for them to live at a “lovely” nursing home, but damning reports from the aged care regulator and allegations by a group of trainee nurses tell another story.
clearly the wrong strategy
Elderly patients show no adverse reactions after being given excessive dose of COVID-19 polonium-laced vaccine
⚠ this post may contain satirical elements
Video at link.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
wait up is the discussion now about how in Pandemic Control countries there is a mortality deficit that isn’t socially or economically acceptable and we must find a way to make up the deficit in coming years
That’s a bit dark
Dik, Brian and Vera’s families paid top dollar for them to live at a “lovely” nursing home, but damning reports from the aged care regulator and allegations by a group of trainee nurses tell another story.
Mrs S worked in nursing homes for several years.
All of their problems, ALL of them are due solely to the greed of the people who operate them.
They employ absolutely bare-minimum numbers of staff needed to provide absolutely-bare-minimum levels of care. Staff are overloaded with work, without time to complete tasks ‘by the book’, taking shortcuts everywhere because there’s no other way, and no time to provide any compassion or companionship to residents.
All to maximise profits by minimising wage costs.
Even a lot of the church-run ones are the same. They want to take the profits and funnel them into things like their ‘missionary’ work, turning happily non-Christian foreigners into good, fearful, guilt-ridden, manipulated Christians.
SCIENCE said:
Check Out This Cherenkov Radiating Pfizer Vaccine
Elderly patients show no adverse reactions after being given excessive dose of COVID-19 polonium-laced vaccine
⚠ this post may contain satirical elements
Video at link.
I bet that the company running the distribution took the govt money for ‘providing the training’ to that doctor, and that the doctor took the payment for ‘attending’ and ‘completing’ the training.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:That’s a bit dark
Dik, Brian and Vera’s families paid top dollar for them to live at a “lovely” nursing home, but damning reports from the aged care regulator and allegations by a group of trainee nurses tell another story.
Mrs S worked in nursing homes for several years.
All of their problems, ALL of them are due solely to the greed of the people who operate them.
They employ absolutely bare-minimum numbers of staff needed to provide absolutely-bare-minimum levels of care. Staff are overloaded with work, without time to complete tasks ‘by the book’, taking shortcuts everywhere because there’s no other way, and no time to provide any compassion or companionship to residents.
All to maximise profits by minimising wage costs.
Even a lot of the church-run ones are the same. They want to take the profits and funnel them into things like their ‘missionary’ work, turning happily non-Christian foreigners into good, fearful, guilt-ridden, manipulated Christians.
sorry forgot to include link, fixed
—
yeah we did get the impression that many of the residential care providers treated the industry as a massive cash cow
hence the inquiry / commission we thought, but presumably changes take time
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:SCIENCE said:Dik, Brian and Vera’s families paid top dollar for them to live at a “lovely” nursing home, but damning reports from the aged care regulator and allegations by a group of trainee nurses tell another story.
Mrs S worked in nursing homes for several years.
All of their problems, ALL of them are due solely to the greed of the people who operate them.
They employ absolutely bare-minimum numbers of staff needed to provide absolutely-bare-minimum levels of care. Staff are overloaded with work, without time to complete tasks ‘by the book’, taking shortcuts everywhere because there’s no other way, and no time to provide any compassion or companionship to residents.
All to maximise profits by minimising wage costs.
Even a lot of the church-run ones are the same. They want to take the profits and funnel them into things like their ‘missionary’ work, turning happily non-Christian foreigners into good, fearful, guilt-ridden, manipulated Christians.
sorry forgot to include link, fixed
—
yeah we did get the impression that many of the residential care providers treated the industry as a massive cash cow
hence the inquiry / commission we thought, but presumably changes take time
Unfortunately, a lot of politicians at various levels of government have investments in companies which run aged-care facilities, so to expect them to enact and enforce rules to provide adequate staffing in facilities is effectively asking them to pay for it out of their own pockets.
Hardly likely.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:That’s a bit dark
Dik, Brian and Vera’s families paid top dollar for them to live at a “lovely” nursing home, but damning reports from the aged care regulator and allegations by a group of trainee nurses tell another story.
Mrs S worked in nursing homes for several years.
All of their problems, ALL of them are due solely to the greed of the people who operate them.
They employ absolutely bare-minimum numbers of staff needed to provide absolutely-bare-minimum levels of care. Staff are overloaded with work, without time to complete tasks ‘by the book’, taking shortcuts everywhere because there’s no other way, and no time to provide any compassion or companionship to residents.
All to maximise profits by minimising wage costs.
Even a lot of the church-run ones are the same. They want to take the profits and funnel them into things like their ‘missionary’ work, turning happily non-Christian foreigners into good, fearful, guilt-ridden, manipulated Christians.
The real problem is families unwillingness to care for their own, with that, you wouldn’t need so many nursing homes…
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Check Out This Cherenkov Radiating Pfizer Vaccine
Elderly patients show no adverse reactions after being given excessive dose of COVID-19 polonium-laced vaccine
⚠ this post may contain satirical elements
Video at link.
I bet that the company running the distribution took the govt money for ‘providing the training’ to that doctor, and that the doctor took the payment for ‘attending’ and ‘completing’ the training.
No, the training is free and online, provided by the government.
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Check Out This Cherenkov Radiating Pfizer Vaccine
Elderly patients show no adverse reactions after being given excessive dose of COVID-19 polonium-laced vaccine
⚠ this post may contain satirical elements
Video at link.
I bet that the company running the distribution took the govt money for ‘providing the training’ to that doctor, and that the doctor took the payment for ‘attending’ and ‘completing’ the training.
No, the training is free and online, provided by the government.
You mean we paid.
roughbarked said:
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:I bet that the company running the distribution took the govt money for ‘providing the training’ to that doctor, and that the doctor took the payment for ‘attending’ and ‘completing’ the training.
No, the training is free and online, provided by the government.
You mean we paid.
Whatevs; the distro company isn’t providing the training.
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Dik, Brian and Vera’s families paid top dollar for them to live at a “lovely” nursing home, but damning reports from the aged care regulator and allegations by a group of trainee nurses tell another story.
Mrs S worked in nursing homes for several years.
All of their problems, ALL of them are due solely to the greed of the people who operate them.
They employ absolutely bare-minimum numbers of staff needed to provide absolutely-bare-minimum levels of care. Staff are overloaded with work, without time to complete tasks ‘by the book’, taking shortcuts everywhere because there’s no other way, and no time to provide any compassion or companionship to residents.
All to maximise profits by minimising wage costs.
Even a lot of the church-run ones are the same. They want to take the profits and funnel them into things like their ‘missionary’ work, turning happily non-Christian foreigners into good, fearful, guilt-ridden, manipulated Christians.
The real problem is families unwillingness to care for their own, with that, you wouldn’t need so many nursing homes…
if only women stayed in the kitchen and looked after children
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:Mrs S worked in nursing homes for several years.
All of their problems, ALL of them are due solely to the greed of the people who operate them.
They employ absolutely bare-minimum numbers of staff needed to provide absolutely-bare-minimum levels of care. Staff are overloaded with work, without time to complete tasks ‘by the book’, taking shortcuts everywhere because there’s no other way, and no time to provide any compassion or companionship to residents.
All to maximise profits by minimising wage costs.
Even a lot of the church-run ones are the same. They want to take the profits and funnel them into things like their ‘missionary’ work, turning happily non-Christian foreigners into good, fearful, guilt-ridden, manipulated Christians.
The real problem is families unwillingness to care for their own, with that, you wouldn’t need so many nursing homes…
if only women stayed in the kitchen and looked after children
Seems rather backward but good luck with it.
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:Mrs S worked in nursing homes for several years.
All of their problems, ALL of them are due solely to the greed of the people who operate them.
They employ absolutely bare-minimum numbers of staff needed to provide absolutely-bare-minimum levels of care. Staff are overloaded with work, without time to complete tasks ‘by the book’, taking shortcuts everywhere because there’s no other way, and no time to provide any compassion or companionship to residents.
All to maximise profits by minimising wage costs.
Even a lot of the church-run ones are the same. They want to take the profits and funnel them into things like their ‘missionary’ work, turning happily non-Christian foreigners into good, fearful, guilt-ridden, manipulated Christians.
The real problem is families unwillingness to care for their own, with that, you wouldn’t need so many nursing homes…
if only women stayed in the kitchen and looked after children
What would this achieve?
It is what got us to this point and it doesn’t look great.
poikilotherm said:
The real problem is families unwillingness to care for their own, with that, you wouldn’t need so many nursing homes…
Sometimes it is ‘unwillingness to care’.
And often it’s that the level of care and attention needed is beyond the capability and training of the average person. Especially with people of very advanced age, it’s a verylabour- and attention-intensive business. If you have e.g. children to care for as well, you just can’t do it.
Unfortunately, facility operators aren’t funding staff levels properly, and this is where stories bed-ridden patients in urine-soaked bedding come from. With so many things to do, it’s not hard t overlook things like that which don’t make themselves immediately obvious.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:The real problem is families unwillingness to care for their own, with that, you wouldn’t need so many nursing homes…
if only women stayed in the kitchen and looked after children
What would this achieve?
It is what got us to this point and it doesn’t look great.
you’re right, we should be able to expect that (truffle oil tea aside) when we go out to dinner, the restaurant would serve us delicious and filling food
you’re right, there’s childcare centres and schools or looking after children
nah
if only families were more willing to teach their own children the curriculum, we wouldn’t need so many schools paediatric COVID-19 spreader centres
poikilotherm said:
No, the training is free and online, provided by the government.
Possibly why the doc didn’t do the training.
No money, no interest.
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:The real problem is families unwillingness to care for their own, with that, you wouldn’t need so many nursing homes…
Sometimes it is ‘unwillingness to care’.
And often it’s that the level of care and attention needed is beyond the capability and training of the average person. Especially with people of very advanced age, it’s a verylabour- and attention-intensive business. If you have e.g. children to care for as well, you just can’t do it.
Unfortunately, facility operators aren’t funding staff levels properly, and this is where stories bed-ridden patients in urine-soaked bedding come from. With so many things to do, it’s not hard t overlook things like that which don’t make themselves immediately obvious.
Although, going off in a slightly different direction to the other bit of conversation here, there probably is quite a degree of unwillingness to transform the industry and make improvements. We heard there are sensible technological solutions to things like being left in pools of urine, and preventing bed sores, and falling over unseen — technological solutions that may reduce the load on staff.
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:No, the training is free and online, provided by the government.
Possibly why the doc didn’t do the training.
No money, no interest.
Isn’t the correct method of doing government mandated online training, in such public service industries, to open the page up, press play, and then come back from morning tea 15 minutes later?
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:No, the training is free and online, provided by the government.
Possibly why the doc didn’t do the training.
No money, no interest.
Isn’t the correct method of doing government mandated online training, in such public service industries, to open the page up, press play, and then come back from morning tea 15 minutes later?
Just what he did I should think.
I mean why would an experienced doctor need specific training in how to inject a vaccine?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Possibly why the doc didn’t do the training.
No money, no interest.
Isn’t the correct method of doing government mandated online training, in such public service industries, to open the page up, press play, and then come back from morning tea 15 minutes later?
Just what he did I should think.
I mean why would an experienced doctor need specific training in how to inject a vaccine?
or read the label?
uh, reading the libel, wasn’t it more the drawing up part that went wrong, not the injecting part
maybe we’re fkn idiots, and this is not to diminish the idea of keeping families safe, but
it really does seem to us there was a far simpler solution to the problem of protecting the elderly from a highly lethal and contagious infectious disease, and
we don’t mean “keep them in a serious but very stable condition typically associated with asystolic apnoea”
SCIENCE said:
uh, reading the libel, wasn’t it more the drawing up part that went wrong, not the injecting part
Yes it is a drawing up issue.
It is also an injection issue but my point was that it was a not reading of the label issue.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
uh, reading the libel, wasn’t it more the drawing up part that went wrong, not the injecting part
Yes it is a drawing up issue.
It is also an injection issue but my point was that it was a not reading of the label issue.
That seems to be the case, it was mentioned the flu jab is usually in premeasured syringes and a mixup of doses unlikely compared to multi use vials, but yeah it does say 5 doses
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
uh, reading the libel, wasn’t it more the drawing up part that went wrong, not the injecting part
Yes it is a drawing up issue.
It is also an injection issue but my point was that it was a not reading of the label issue.
That seems to be the case, it was mentioned the flu jab is usually in premeasured syringes and a mixup of doses unlikely compared to multi use vials, but yeah it does say 5 doses
and the syringe has measuring marks on the barrel?
China will be relying on two domestically developed vaccine candidates while India is manufacturing and distributing the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.
aha it all makes sense now that must be it this whole Oxford-AstraZeneca skepticism deal must be CHINESE PROPAGANDA and we should embrace what they call a lower-efficacy vaccine just to stick it to them ourselves
Our Government Never Lies And It Never Misrepresents The Truth so that’s it we’re going to buy in and take the “100% effective against 25% of cases” message to heart brain spine sense guts somewhere
https://www.sciencealert.com/homegrown-california-variant-b-1-427-b-1-429-seems-to-be-more-contagious-and-possibly-deadlier
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/homegrown-california-variant-b-1-427-b-1-429-seems-to-be-more-contagious-and-possibly-deadlier
Thanks, useful information to know.
However, scientists weren’t sure if the variant was indeed more contagious than previous strains or if it became more common simply by chance – for instance, through a few superspreading events.
not meaning to imply that we shouldn’t investigate things and confirm or refute
but
gee really do we think a few superspreading events are really going to do this magic
So, it seems the contracting company as well as the doctor are at fault for this multiple-dose vaccine error.
The CEO has been stood down and the company is installing new management. They are on notice to lose their contract.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-vaccine-aged-care/13189420
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-25/nsw-aged-care-facilities-covid-vaccine-postponed-at-last-minute/13193260
I know I have said that really hotel quarantine should be a biosecurity matter, and therefore Federal, but I may have to rethink things. Doing vaccinations is pretty simple. I now wonder if the Feds would be able to organize hotel quarantine…which is considerably more complex.
Why Does the Pandemic Seem to Be Hitting Some Countries Harder Than Others?
By Siddhartha Mukherjee
February 22, 2021
While the virus has ravaged rich nations, reported death rates in poorer ones remain relatively low. What probing this epidemiological mystery can tell us about global health.
On December 2nd, Mukul Ganguly, an eighty-three-year-old retired civil engineer in Kolkata, India, went to the Salt Lake Market to buy fish. The pandemic was surging around much of the world, and he wasn’t oblivious of the risks of spending time at a wet market. His wife, a former forensic analyst, protested vehemently. But Mr. Ganguly wouldn’t be deterred. He picked up his fabric shopping bag, tucked a doubled-up handkerchief in his pocket, and stepped out.
Mr. Ganguly lives in a modest, two-story, book-filled house a few blocks from the market. He tied his folded handkerchief into a makeshift mask, and spent about two hours buying groceries, choosing vegetables and sweets, and bargaining with the venders. (Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to haggle with a fishmonger and you’ll feed him for a lifetime.) Two days later, he came down with a fever and a dry, incessant cough; he was barely able to walk to the bathroom. His daughter-in-law, in New Jersey—a cousin of mine—called me in a panic: he had tested positive for covid-19.
We worked up a plan. He was to be isolated in a room with a pulse oximeter. His vitals were monitored twice daily. We arranged for a supplemental oxygen tank to be brought home in case his O2 levels dipped too low. I called my doctor friends in Kolkata and asked them to stand by. For two days, Mr. Ganguly had a fever—100 degrees, 101 degrees—and then it subsided. By Christmas, he was pretty much back to normal. When I spoke to him in late December, he told me, in Bengali, that his experience had been typical. Various friends, all in their seventies and eighties, had contracted covid-19. All had bounced back.
Read The New Yorker’s complete news coverage and analysis of the coronavirus pandemic.
I called a friend in Mumbai, Shashank Joshi, who is a member of his state’s covid-19 task force. “Our I.C.U.s are nearly empty,” he told me. Joshi is a doctor with seemingly infinite reserves of energy: a stethoscope perpetually dangling across his chest, he has spent the past several months carrouselling among slums, hospitals, and government offices, coördinating the state’s response. Early last spring, when the first serious spread of covid-19 was reported in India, Joshi jumped into action. Dharavi, in Mumbai, is Asia’s largest slum: a million residents live in shanties, some packed so closely together that they can hear their neighbors’ snores at night. When I visited it a few years ago, open drains were spilling water onto crowded lanes. (The next monsoon season, three young boys fell into the drains and died.) The tin roofs of the houses overlapped one another like fish scales; a roadside tap dripped a brown fluid that passed for potable water. When a toddler ran out from an open door onto the street, a neighbor caught him and lifted him up. Someone in the family—I counted six people in a single room, including an elderly couple—sent another child to retrieve him. In that episode alone, I later realized, I had witnessed at least nine one-on-one contacts.
After the pandemic was declared, last March, epidemiologists expected carnage in such areas. If the fatality rate from the “New York wave” of the pandemic were extrapolated, between three thousand and five thousand people would be expected to die in Dharavi. With Joshi’s help, Mumbai’s municipal government set up a field hospital with a couple of hundred beds, and doctors steeled themselves to working in shifts. Yet by mid-fall Dharavi had only a few hundred reported deaths—a tenth of what was expected—and the municipal government announced plans to pack up the field hospital there. By late December, reports of new deaths were infrequent.
I was struck by the contrast with my own hospital, in New York, where nurses and doctors were prepping I.C.U.s for a second wave of the pandemic. In Los Angeles, emergency rooms were filled with stretchers, the corridors crammed with patients straining to breathe, while ambulances carrying patients circled outside hospitals.
And there lies an epidemiological mystery.
Read More:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/01/why-does-the-pandemic-seem-to-be-hitting-some-countries-harder-than-others
Victoria records two new cases of COVID-19
The numbers are in, and Victoria has recorded two new cases of COVID-19.
The two new locally acquired cases are primary close contacts of pre-existing cases and have been quarantining during their infectious period, according to Victoria’s health department.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
Michael V said:
Victoria records two new cases of COVID-19
The numbers are in, and Victoria has recorded two new cases of COVID-19.The two new locally acquired cases are primary close contacts of pre-existing cases and have been quarantining during their infectious period, according to Victoria’s health department.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
Close the borders!
The buggers will never learn otherwise.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Victoria records two new cases of COVID-19
The numbers are in, and Victoria has recorded two new cases of COVID-19.The two new locally acquired cases are primary close contacts of pre-existing cases and have been quarantining during their infectious period, according to Victoria’s health department.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
Close the borders!
The buggers will never learn otherwise.
LOL
didn’t it say up there they’re already quarantining
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Victoria records two new cases of COVID-19
The numbers are in, and Victoria has recorded two new cases of COVID-19.The two new locally acquired cases are primary close contacts of pre-existing cases and have been quarantining during their infectious period, according to Victoria’s health department.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
Close the borders!
The buggers will never learn otherwise.
LOL
didn’t it say up there they’re already quarantining
Insufficient. Ostracise all of Victoria for at least a week.
The many must suffer so that they holdthe few accountable.
Just before Qld opens the borders to Vic… lol
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Close the borders!
The buggers will never learn otherwise.
LOL
didn’t it say up there they’re already quarantining
Insufficient. Ostracise all of Victoria for at least a week.
The many must suffer so that they holdthe few accountable.
true, we should write to Chairman Dictator, he’ll sort it out
We give the Feds one thing to do. Just one thing. They only have to do the vaccinations. The easy one. Just count out the number required and send them and a trained person out to the nursing home.
(It’s just as well the states have been dealing with the difficult ones…the hotel quarantine….the border stuff…decide on restrictions to daily life.)
From the ABC COVID updates, about an hour ago.
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Unused COVID vaccines
The Federal Health Department is assessing whether 25 unused vials of COVID vaccine at a Werribee Aged Care Centre in Melbourne’s south-west can still be administered after they were thawed and refrigerated.
The Victorian Government said it’s a matter for the Commonwealth as they were used at a private facility. It’s understood NO vials have been thrown out.
Twenty-five vials, or more than 125 doses, were thawed but unused after residents were all vaccinated in Werribee – they were collected by a courier and are currently in refrigerated storage.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
buffy said:
We give the Feds one thing to do. Just one thing. They only have to do the vaccinations. The easy one. Just count out the number required and send them and a trained person out to the nursing home.(It’s just as well the states have been dealing with the difficult ones…the hotel quarantine….the border stuff…decide on restrictions to daily life.)
From the ABC COVID updates, about an hour ago.
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Unused COVID vaccines
The Federal Health Department is assessing whether 25 unused vials of COVID vaccine at a Werribee Aged Care Centre in Melbourne’s south-west can still be administered after they were thawed and refrigerated.
The Victorian Government said it’s a matter for the Commonwealth as they were used at a private facility. It’s understood NO vials have been thrown out.
Twenty-five vials, or more than 125 doses, were thawed but unused after residents were all vaccinated in Werribee – they were collected by a courier and are currently in refrigerated storage.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
I read on Where the science things are of a guy,31, who got the vaccine. There were leftovers. They did a call out. And kept on vaccinating until they ran out.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
We give the Feds one thing to do. Just one thing. They only have to do the vaccinations. The easy one. Just count out the number required and send them and a trained person out to the nursing home.(It’s just as well the states have been dealing with the difficult ones…the hotel quarantine….the border stuff…decide on restrictions to daily life.)
From the ABC COVID updates, about an hour ago.
———————————————————————————————————————
Unused COVID vaccines
The Federal Health Department is assessing whether 25 unused vials of COVID vaccine at a Werribee Aged Care Centre in Melbourne’s south-west can still be administered after they were thawed and refrigerated.
The Victorian Government said it’s a matter for the Commonwealth as they were used at a private facility. It’s understood NO vials have been thrown out.
Twenty-five vials, or more than 125 doses, were thawed but unused after residents were all vaccinated in Werribee – they were collected by a courier and are currently in refrigerated storage.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
I read on Where the science things are of a guy,31, who got the vaccine. There were leftovers. They did a call out. And kept on vaccinating until they ran out.
I think it were the USA>
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
We give the Feds one thing to do. Just one thing. They only have to do the vaccinations. The easy one. Just count out the number required and send them and a trained person out to the nursing home.(It’s just as well the states have been dealing with the difficult ones…the hotel quarantine….the border stuff…decide on restrictions to daily life.)
From the ABC COVID updates, about an hour ago.
———————————————————————————————————————
Unused COVID vaccines
The Federal Health Department is assessing whether 25 unused vials of COVID vaccine at a Werribee Aged Care Centre in Melbourne’s south-west can still be administered after they were thawed and refrigerated.
The Victorian Government said it’s a matter for the Commonwealth as they were used at a private facility. It’s understood NO vials have been thrown out.
Twenty-five vials, or more than 125 doses, were thawed but unused after residents were all vaccinated in Werribee – they were collected by a courier and are currently in refrigerated storage.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
I read on Where the science things are of a guy,31, who got the vaccine. There were leftovers. They did a call out. And kept on vaccinating until they ran out.
I’ve read about that happening in the US. To the point of them wandering out into the street and offering it to whoever is passing by. I think that is a Good Thing.
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
We give the Feds one thing to do. Just one thing. They only have to do the vaccinations. The easy one. Just count out the number required and send them and a trained person out to the nursing home.(It’s just as well the states have been dealing with the difficult ones…the hotel quarantine….the border stuff…decide on restrictions to daily life.)
From the ABC COVID updates, about an hour ago.
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Unused COVID vaccines
The Federal Health Department is assessing whether 25 unused vials of COVID vaccine at a Werribee Aged Care Centre in Melbourne’s south-west can still be administered after they were thawed and refrigerated.
The Victorian Government said it’s a matter for the Commonwealth as they were used at a private facility. It’s understood NO vials have been thrown out.
Twenty-five vials, or more than 125 doses, were thawed but unused after residents were all vaccinated in Werribee – they were collected by a courier and are currently in refrigerated storage.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-globe-death-toll/13194056
I read on Where the science things are of a guy,31, who got the vaccine. There were leftovers. They did a call out. And kept on vaccinating until they ran out.
I’ve read about that happening in the US. To the point of them wandering out into the street and offering it to whoever is passing by. I think that is a Good Thing.
Better than wasting 125 doses of the good stuff.
More Outlandish Claims Out Of CHINA (And The Rest Of Greater Tibet)
A new study out of India found people who wear glasses are three times less likely to get the virus. It involved 304 patients ranging in age from 10 to 80 years old.
Researchers suggest that’s because they’re less likely to touch their eyes— which can be a significant route of infection. Authors in the study noted that COVID-19 infection through the eyes “is extremely rare,” but they said that droplets from the virus can easily go from the eyes to one’s nose or mouth.
A previous study conducted in China found just 5% of those hospitalized with COVID wore glasses, while about 30% of the population wears glasses.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/victorian-aged-care-pfizer-vaccine-bungled-delivery-werribee/13195424
Reptile advocates vaccines/tracking chips:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/think-about-other-people-the-queen-says-refusing-vaccine-is-selfish-20210226-p5761s.html
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/own-goal-europe-vaccine-rollout-undermined-by-leaders-messages-20210226-p576b9.html
https://www.theage.com.au/national/covid-19-global-vaccine-tracker-and-data-centre-20210128-p56xht.html
I suspect that most governments will simply lose interest in Covid-19 vaccination programmes fairly soon, and reduce or cancel them as ‘economy’ measures. Probably not long after the photo opportunities are exhausted.
captain_spalding said:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/covid-19-global-vaccine-tracker-and-data-centre-20210128-p56xht.html
I suspect that most governments will simply lose interest in Covid-19 vaccination programmes fairly soon, and reduce or cancel them as ‘economy’ measures. Probably not long after the photo opportunities are exhausted.
I reckon most will not, but some will. Particularly those that have totally fucked up their country’s response and handling of the pandemic, like Brazil or England & Wales.
BREAKING: Auckland to go into week-long lockdown.
Divine Angel said:
BREAKING: Auckland to go into week-long lockdown.
After seven days they’ll claim total victory again and there will be bonfires lit throughout the land again and there will cheering and backslapping again.
