Time for a new one.
Not specifically COVID related, but the latest provisional mortality stats came out during the week. Now available for Jan to Nov 2020
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-nov-2020
Feminist author Naomi Wolf has been anti-vax for a while but she has now gone right around the twist with the conspiracy theories.
buffy said:
Time for a new one.Not specifically COVID related, but the latest provisional mortality stats came out during the week. Now available for Jan to Nov 2020
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-nov-2020
Ta, bookmarked.
¿ any of you know more about the evidence supporting this claim ?
We are beginning to understand why people get these symptoms. They include persistence of the virus in some parts of the body that are sheltered from the immune system, such as the brain; direct damage to organs, such as the heart and lungs, and also the pancreas, causing some new cases of diabetes; and blood clotting, which can cause heart attacks and strokes.
SCIENCE said:
¿ any of you know more about the evidence supporting this claim ?We are beginning to understand why people get these symptoms. They include persistence of the virus in some parts of the body that are sheltered from the immune system, such as the brain; direct damage to organs, such as the heart and lungs, and also the pancreas, causing some new cases of diabetes; and blood clotting, which can cause heart attacks and strokes.
Yes, there’s been many, many papers. ACE-2 receptors are all through the body. When (if) the SARS-COV-2 virus breaks into the blood system, it is carried to all sorts of organs. It can get into the brain via the eyes and (probably) via blood.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
¿ any of you know more about the evidence supporting this claim ?We are beginning to understand why people get these symptoms. They include persistence of the virus in some parts of the body that are sheltered from the immune system, such as the brain; direct damage to organs, such as the heart and lungs, and also the pancreas, causing some new cases of diabetes; and blood clotting, which can cause heart attacks and strokes.
Yes, there’s been many, many papers. ACE-2 receptors are all through the body. When (if) the SARS-COV-2 virus breaks into the blood system, it is carried to all sorts of organs. It can get into the brain via the eyes and (probably) via blood.
sorry we meant to even more emphasise the persistence bit, they have indeed already been talking for some time about invasion in the various places
anyway we’re sure there will be more evidence emerging in coming months so we’ll just keep an eye out
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
¿ any of you know more about the evidence supporting this claim ?We are beginning to understand why people get these symptoms. They include persistence of the virus in some parts of the body that are sheltered from the immune system, such as the brain; direct damage to organs, such as the heart and lungs, and also the pancreas, causing some new cases of diabetes; and blood clotting, which can cause heart attacks and strokes.
Yes, there’s been many, many papers. ACE-2 receptors are all through the body. When (if) the SARS-COV-2 virus breaks into the blood system, it is carried to all sorts of organs. It can get into the brain via the eyes and (probably) via blood.
sorry we meant to even more emphasise the persistence bit, they have indeed already been talking for some time about invasion in the various places
anyway we’re sure there will be more evidence emerging in coming months so we’ll just keep an eye out
Luckily, persistence (long COVID) seems to happen in a small minority of cases. It may (or may not) be similar in a way, to chronic fatigue (post-viral) syndrome.
SCIENCE said:
A sudden spike.
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Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
A sudden spike.
as you say it’s probably some horrible variant that {because Sweden are digging in their arseholes in pandemic strategy} will not be identified for months but due to incredibly high viral loads is more contagious and lethal
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
A sudden spike.
as you say it’s probably some horrible variant that {because Sweden are digging in their arseholes in pandemic strategy} will not be identified for months but due to incredibly high viral loads is more contagious and lethal
Back in the day one could probably say, “A pox be on them”.
wonder if the researchers have any competing interest disclosures to make
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A sudden spike.
as you say it’s probably some horrible variant that {because Sweden are digging in their arseholes in pandemic strategy} will not be identified for months but due to incredibly high viral loads is more contagious and lethal
Back in the day one could probably say, “A pox be on them”.
Actually, they are just rather slack with their death stats. They don’t report for a while and then do a bunch at once.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:as you say it’s probably some horrible variant that {because Sweden are digging in their arseholes in pandemic strategy} will not be identified for months but due to incredibly high viral loads is more contagious and lethal
Back in the day one could probably say, “A pox be on them”.
Actually, they are just rather slack with their death stats. They don’t report for a while and then do a bunch at once.
If we want to do the science on this in relation to speed and efficiency, it is inpporrtant to keep the data up to date?
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:as you say it’s probably some horrible variant that {because Sweden are digging in their arseholes in pandemic strategy} will not be identified for months but due to incredibly high viral loads is more contagious and lethal
Back in the day one could probably say, “A pox be on them”.
Actually, they are just rather slack with their death stats. They don’t report for a while and then do a bunch at once.
Oh, sorry…that wasn’t a deaths graph. It was a cases graph. Where is it from? Here is the worldometers stuff for Sweden today:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Tau.Neutrino said:
Emerging SARS-CoV-2 Variants
Covid-19: The E484K mutation and the risks it poses
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n359
SCIENCE said:
wonder if the researchers have any competing interest disclosures to make
Ding-dong-ding-dong-ding-dong-ding-dong-ding-dong-ding-dong-ding-dong.
Sorry, I really should put that alarm on silent mode.
buffy said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:Back in the day one could probably say, “A pox be on them”.
Actually, they are just rather slack with their death stats. They don’t report for a while and then do a bunch at once.
Oh, sorry…that wasn’t a deaths graph. It was a cases graph. Where is it from? Here is the worldometers stuff for Sweden today:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
not quite apparently it’s the amount in sewage going through their sewerage
which would suggest something ridiculous is about to transpire
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
buffy said:Actually, they are just rather slack with their death stats. They don’t report for a while and then do a bunch at once.
Oh, sorry…that wasn’t a deaths graph. It was a cases graph. Where is it from? Here is the worldometers stuff for Sweden today:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
not quite apparently it’s the amount in sewage going through their sewerage
which would suggest something ridiculous is about to transpire
So, there is a pox to be on them?
from your ABC, or theirs
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/inside-manaus-brazil-coronavirus-crisis-second-wave/13183706
Thought by many to be the first city in the world to overcome the pandemic, Manaus has become a cautionary tale of what can happen when politics and science fail, leaving the novel coronavirus to spread almost unmitigated.
what the fuck, surely overcoming it means eliminating, not getting flocked
then again they give the nonspecific “by many” so we suppose it could be “by many clowns” that they mean
Johnson & Johnson have had their COVID-19 vaccine approved in the US.
By Michael Doyle with wires
SCIENCE said:
from your ABC, or theirsAfter coronavirus chaos, Manaus was thought to be the first city to reach herd immunity. Then a second wave hit
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/inside-manaus-brazil-coronavirus-crisis-second-wave/13183706
Thought by many to be the first city in the world to overcome the pandemic, Manaus has become a cautionary tale of what can happen when politics and science fail, leaving the novel coronavirus to spread almost unmitigated.
what the fuck, surely overcoming it means eliminating, not getting flocked
then again they give the nonspecific “by many” so we suppose it could be “by many clowns” that they mean
That story made me sad.
roughbarked said:
Johnson & Johnson have had their COVID-19 vaccine approved in the US.
By Michael Doyle with wires
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Johnson & Johnson have had their COVID-19 vaccine approved in the US.
By Michael Doyle with wires
Back from chemo.
I thought the J&J vaccine had only received emergency approval.
That is what was reported yesterday on the ABC news.
https://jacobinmag.com/2021/02/finland-vaccine-covid-patent-ip
“ A team of leading Finnish researchers had a patent-free COVID-19 vaccine ready last May”
poikilotherm said:
https://jacobinmag.com/2021/02/finland-vaccine-covid-patent-ip“ A team of leading Finnish researchers had a patent-free COVID-19 vaccine ready last May”
no wonder they’re doing better than Sweden
⚠ actually largely in seriousness
really in seriousness we thought it was all a crock of shit initially but there’s better evidence out there now and it really does seem like there are circumstances where anal swabs are superior
whether being a Japanese citizen is specifically one of those circumstances is not so clear
By Dannielle Maguire
The World Health Organization says there has been a rise in global cases for the first time in seven weeks.
BUT it also says that the initial impacts of COVID-19 vaccines on the pandemic appear to be very encouraging.
The body’s top emergencies expert Mike Ryan says at this stage, it looks like the vaccines are limiting transmission of coronavirus.
“I believe we are beginning to see data — important and significant data — that shows that many of the vaccines do appear to impact and adjust the way in which the virus transmits, and decrease the risk of individuals being infected or passing on that infection,” he said.
“That is really, really encouraging.”
By Dannielle Maguire
The Business Council of Australia says the rollout of COVID 19 vaccines should spell the end of state border closures once and for all.
The Council came up with a three-point plan to reopen the economy based on the successful vaccination of the most vulnerable members of the population.
After that happens, the council argues National Cabinet should ‘unlock Australia’.
But it’s calling for this to be done carefully and methodically.
BCA Jennifer Westacott explains the “common sense” plan:
“Safely reopen and keep open the economy in line with the vaccine rollout so as each stage ends, you open a bit more,” she said.
” second thing: sharpen the message around what’s our health message because that’s important for confidence and trust.
“And finally… target and support those industries that continue not to be able to reopen because of continuing restrictions.”
She said that, once the vulnerable people are vaccinated states should “permanently reopen those borders because they have been economically incredibly damaging”.
—
we grant there are some reasonable bits but this
permanently reopen those borders because they have been economically incredibly damaging
can only be considered Good Democratic Capitalism because dictating terms to never again permit border closures is Freedom And Rights
you can also consider it in the page leader
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/covid-live-blog-abc-news-march-2-latest-updates/13204614
in which case we fully agree, all “economically damaging” state border closures should come to an end — we understand that following such advice the currently appropriate state border closures will continue because they have actually been economically beneficial videre licet we have not been completely fucked up by COVID-19 outbreaks
SCIENCE said:
in which case we fully agree, all “economically damaging” state border closures should come to an end — we understand that following such advice the currently appropriate state border closures will continue because they have actually been economically beneficial videre licet we have not been completely fucked up by COVID-19 outbreaks
Hey, it’s inevitable that peasants will die in the service of the economy. Chairman Mao understood that.
SCIENCE said:
⚠ actually largely in seriousness
really in seriousness we thought it was all a crock of shit initially but there’s better evidence out there now and it really does seem like there are circumstances where anal swabs are superior
whether being a Japanese citizen is specifically one of those circumstances is not so clear
Using cactuses for the swabs was really utterly gratuitous.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:in which case we fully agree, all “economically damaging” state border closures should come to an end — we understand that following such advice the currently appropriate state border closures will continue because they have actually been economically beneficial videre licet we have not been completely fucked up by COVID-19 outbreaks
Hey, it’s inevitable that peasants will die in the service of the economy. Chairman Mao understood that.
LOL wish the modern CHINESE government had thought about that before they tried to stop SARS-CoV-2 from killing 70 000 000* citizens
*: 0.05 * 1 400 000 000
on the other hand
https://theconversation.com/4-key-takeaways-from-the-aged-care-royal-commissions-final-report-156109
4. A better system will cost more
Australia should be prepared to pay the price of a better aged care system.
The government has been underspending on aged care. Most Australians agree the government should provide more funding for aged care.
If only fucking Chairman Dan had allowed the federal government to do their Aged Care Cull thing then we wouldn’t have to be coughing up* as much for the next 84** years.
*: an unfortunate turn of phrase for spending within The Economy Must Grow in a COVID-19 time
**: 83 + 1% ~ (life expectancy in recent years) / (1 + proportional excess deaths)
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
⚠ actually largely in seriousness
really in seriousness we thought it was all a crock of shit initially but there’s better evidence out there now and it really does seem like there are circumstances where anal swabs are superior
whether being a Japanese citizen is specifically one of those circumstances is not so clear
Using cactuses for the swabs was really utterly gratuitous.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
⚠ actually largely in seriousness
really in seriousness we thought it was all a crock of shit initially but there’s better evidence out there now and it really does seem like there are circumstances where anal swabs are superior
whether being a Japanese citizen is specifically one of those circumstances is not so clear
Using cactuses for the swabs was really utterly gratuitous.
What’s wrong with a poo sample?
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
⚠ actually largely in seriousness
really in seriousness we thought it was all a crock of shit initially but there’s better evidence out there now and it really does seem like there are circumstances where anal swabs are superior
whether being a Japanese citizen is specifically one of those circumstances is not so clear
Using cactuses for the swabs was really utterly gratuitous.
rofl
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Using cactuses for the swabs was really utterly gratuitous.
What’s wrong with a poo sample?
as an aside, we remember getting nasal swabbed early in 2020 with something quite bristly and it fkn hurt but they seem to have softened the blow since
regarding faecal sampling, probably not that much, but there does seem to be a wave of social media trolls very much against it, because all healthcare workers are satanic paedophiles
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Using cactuses for the swabs was really utterly gratuitous.
rofl
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
rofl
What’s wrong with the good old wire brush?
The dettol ruins the samples?
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:rofl
What’s wrong with the good old wire brush?The dettol ruins the samples?
Oh my! And he’s sparked the comments with this one.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/01/lockdowns-have-killed-millions/
(I can’t watch the doco linked because I don’t speak Swedish, so it would be a waste of time)
buffy said:
Oh my! And he’s sparked the comments with this one.https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/01/lockdowns-have-killed-millions/
(I can’t watch the doco linked because I don’t speak Swedish, so it would be a waste of time)
He’s seems to be getting more nutty as time goes on.
Witty Rejoinder said:
more nutty time
fair we mean there’s plastered over social media some real whacks who argue that vaccines promote escape mutants/variants but flock immunity by natural infection doesn’t
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Oh my! And he’s sparked the comments with this one.https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/01/lockdowns-have-killed-millions/
(I can’t watch the doco linked because I don’t speak Swedish, so it would be a waste of time)
He’s seems to be getting more nutty as time goes on.
He’s certainly got some ratty commenters on that one.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Oh my! And he’s sparked the comments with this one.https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/01/lockdowns-have-killed-millions/
(I can’t watch the doco linked because I don’t speak Swedish, so it would be a waste of time)
He’s seems to be getting more nutty as time goes on.
I agree.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Oh my! And he’s sparked the comments with this one.https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/01/lockdowns-have-killed-millions/
(I can’t watch the doco linked because I don’t speak Swedish, so it would be a waste of time)
He’s seems to be getting more nutty as time goes on.
He’s certainly got some ratty commenters on that one.
There’s probably a bias in the responders since I imagine few who accept main-stream medicine would bother to engage with Sebastian and his ilk.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:He’s seems to be getting more nutty as time goes on.
He’s certainly got some ratty commenters on that one.
There’s probably a bias in the responders since I imagine few who accept main-stream medicine would bother to engage with Sebastian and his ilk.
Who?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:He’s certainly got some ratty commenters on that one.
There’s probably a bias in the responders since I imagine few who accept main-stream medicine would bother to engage with Sebastian and his ilk.
Who?
The Doctor in Buffy’s link.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:There’s probably a bias in the responders since I imagine few who accept main-stream medicine would bother to engage with Sebastian and his ilk.
Who?
The Doctor in Buffy’s link.
He’s a doctor?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Who?
The Doctor in Buffy’s link.
He’s a doctor?
Yeah.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The Doctor in Buffy’s link.
He’s a doctor?
Yeah.
How did that happen?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:He’s a doctor?
Yeah.
How did that happen?
There’s always going to be nuts who nonetheless have qualified to practice various professions.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah.
How did that happen?
There’s always going to be nuts who nonetheless have qualified to practice various professions.
Screwthreads can always be crossthreaded if force is applied incorrectly
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:He’s a doctor?
Yeah.
How did that happen?
I went to school with people who are doctors.
I once said to one, ‘i was never smart enough to be a doctor’.
He said, ‘oh no, you don’t have to be smart. You have to be able to remember an absolute shitlaod of stuff, be willing o work hours that would kill a pit pony, and put up with tons and tons of shit from so-called superiors’ But, you don’t have to be smart’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah.
How did that happen?
I went to school with people who are doctors.
I once said to one, ‘i was never smart enough to be a doctor’.
He said, ‘oh no, you don’t have to be smart. You have to be able to remember an absolute shitlaod of stuff, be willing o work hours that would kill a pit pony, and put up with tons and tons of shit from so-called superiors’ But, you don’t have to be smart’.
I’m not a doctor, well not a fully qualified doctor but still practicing.
The other day I saw a woman trip over in the street, she was sitting up and holding her left knee that was grazed and starting to swell. Then my training kicked in and I rushed over, The first thing I did was to check he pulse at the inner thigh, then I removed her top to keep her cool and comfortable, then I rolled her over into the missionary position.
Game-changing COVID-19 vaccine pill pursued by small British firm, world’s richest doctor
By Bevan Shields
March 2, 2021 — 11.15am
London: In the global scramble to discover a COVID-19 vaccine, did governments overlook an option almost too good to be true? Wayne Channon thinks so, and is out to prove it.
“If we can make vaccines which are thermally stable and taken orally, that could be transformational,” Channon says. “It will require a mindset change. And the benefits are not trivial.”
IosBio, the British biotechnology firm Channon chairs, has for years tried to convince pharmaceutical giants of the benefits of turning temperature-sensitive liquid vaccines into much more stable pills.
Read More:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/game-changing-covid-19-vaccine-pill-pursued-by-small-british-firm-world-s-richest-doctor-20210301-p576wl.html
That should have read ‘recovery position’
Peak Warming Man said:
That should have read ‘recovery position’
Isn’t that the following step?
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:He’s seems to be getting more nutty as time goes on.
He’s certainly got some ratty commenters on that one.
There’s probably a bias in the responders since I imagine few who accept main-stream medicine would bother to engage with Sebastian and his ilk.
He seems to be careful about who he responds to though. Mostly he lets the really rabid ones comment but does not reply to them, even if they ask directly.
For roughbarked.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/about/
buffy said:
For roughbarked.https://sebastianrushworth.com/about/
Ta.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/13197518?nw=0
https://www.jewelleryfocus.co.uk/194014-anglo-american-reports-27-decline-in-revenue
Anglo-American reports 27% decline in revenuesThe rough diamond mining company also saw its sale fall by 30% as it was hit by the pandemic
Patrick O’Donnell
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Get on de Beers
Oh oh. Things are starting to go belly up. Why?
New cases worldwide is rising.
Daily new cases in the USA is still going down. Under 53,000 new cases three days ago.
Daily new cases in India is up from a minimum of 9,000 new cases on Feb 8.
Daily new cases in Brazil is up, today’s was 58,000, up from 43,000 seven day moving average last month.
Russia daily new cases declining smoothly to 10,565 yesterday.
UK new cases down. France new cases going up.
Mexico new cases down. Latin America new cases wobbling all over the place.
So in summary, Brazil is now the new baddie.
Daily deaths in Brazil hit an all-time high yesterday with 1,726 deaths in one day.
Vaccination doses released, for some countries.
mollwollfumble said:
Oh oh. Things are starting to go belly up. Why?New cases worldwide is rising.
Daily new cases in the USA is still going down. Under 53,000 new cases three days ago.
Daily new cases in India is up from a minimum of 9,000 new cases on Feb 8.
Daily new cases in Brazil is up, today’s was 58,000, up from 43,000 seven day moving average last month.
Russia daily new cases declining smoothly to 10,565 yesterday.
UK new cases down. France new cases going up.
Mexico new cases down. Latin America new cases wobbling all over the place.So in summary, Brazil is now the new baddie.
Daily deaths in Brazil hit an all-time high yesterday with 1,726 deaths in one day.
Vaccination doses released, for some countries.
While getting vaccinated gives people considerable insurance against falling ill with Covid, which is sometimes fatal, if they can still get silently infected with SARS-CoV-2, they might pass it on, potentially sickening people who aren’t immune.
Also ABC
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-02-05/covid-19-vaccines-do-they-prevent-coronavirus-transmission/13121348
mollwollfumble said:
Vaccination doses released, for some countries.
fattening the curve again
mollwollfumble said:
Oh oh. Things are starting to go belly up. Why?New cases worldwide is rising.
Daily new cases in the USA is still going down. Under 53,000 new cases three days ago.
Daily new cases in India is up from a minimum of 9,000 new cases on Feb 8.
Daily new cases in Brazil is up, today’s was 58,000, up from 43,000 seven day moving average last month.
Russia daily new cases declining smoothly to 10,565 yesterday.
UK new cases down. France new cases going up.
Mexico new cases down. Latin America new cases wobbling all over the place.So in summary, Brazil is now the new baddie.
Daily deaths in Brazil hit an all-time high yesterday with 1,726 deaths in one day.
Vaccination doses released, for some countries.
I’m not going to any of those places.
Tau.Neutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
Oh oh. Things are starting to go belly up. Why?New cases worldwide is rising.
Daily new cases in the USA is still going down. Under 53,000 new cases three days ago.
Daily new cases in India is up from a minimum of 9,000 new cases on Feb 8.
Daily new cases in Brazil is up, today’s was 58,000, up from 43,000 seven day moving average last month.
Russia daily new cases declining smoothly to 10,565 yesterday.
UK new cases down. France new cases going up.
Mexico new cases down. Latin America new cases wobbling all over the place.So in summary, Brazil is now the new baddie.
Daily deaths in Brazil hit an all-time high yesterday with 1,726 deaths in one day.
Vaccination doses released, for some countries.
I’m not going to any of those places.
¿ why not, don’t want to get shot ?
Variant Found in Brazil Could Evade Immunity from Past Infection
The P.1 variant, which has also been detected in five US states, could be responsible for cases of reinfection, according to a preprint.
According to a study uploaded to GitHub on February 27 that has not been peer reviewed, an emerging variant of SARS-CoV-2 first spotted in November in Manaus, Brazil and known as P.1 is around twice as transmissible as the variant that gripped the country last spring. Manaus experienced another surge of cases in December, and the study’s model predicts that P.1 could evade antibodies from previous infections 25–61 percent of the time, perhaps pointing to reinfections as a driver of the recent COVID-19 wave.
The Guardian reports that many of the mutations that affect the variant’s spike protein are the same as those found in the B.1.351 variant first identified in South Africa. The study’s authors write that three of the mutations allow the virus to more easily bind to the ACE2 receptor on human cells. ACE2 is a surface protein on cells in many tissues, including the lungs, heart, and blood vessels. When the virus binds to that protein, it opens up the cell to infection.
P.1 is not isolated to Brazil and has been identified in six cases from five US states, another six individuals in the UK, and in 23 other countries, The New York Times reports. It is not yet known how these variants will affect outbreaks in these countries, and not all experts are sounding alarms quite yet.
“You need many introductions to start an epidemic,” coauthor Ester Sabino of the University of São Paulo tells BBC. “Six is very few. I would say if you take care and do contact tracing, this is going to decrease.”
Through genomic modeling, Sabino and her colleagues were able to find that P.1 emerged in Manaus in November and December and stayed within the region through the end of the year. Epidemiological modeling and sample viral loads from patients indicate that the variant is more transmissible than the variant that gripped much of the world in 2020 and could be linked to worse outcomes and an increased likelihood of surpassing immunity from a past SARS-CoV-2 infection. While the models were built around COVID-19 in Manaus, the authors say this is a variant of concern wherever there are active cases of P.1.
As vaccine rollouts surge around the globe and cases and hospitalizations drop accordingly, there could be a chance to drastically reduce infections before another variant has a chance to take hold. The two vaccines approved for use in Brazil are Oxford/AstraZeneca’s, which is 60–90 percent effective at staving off serious illness, and Sinovac’s from China, which is 50 percent effective in Brazil. There has not been any clinical research yet on how the Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, or Johnson & Johnson shots—the three vaccines approved for use in the US—will fare when faced with P.1.
“Our current vaccines have not yet been studied against this variant and we’re working to understand what impact it might have, but we do know that this variant has caused significant challenges in Brazil,” UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, who was not part of the study, tells BBC. “We’re doing all we can to stop the spread of this new variant in the UK, to analyse its effects and to develop an updated vaccine that works on all these variants of concern and protect the progress that we’ve made as a nation.”
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/variant-found-in-brazil-could-evade-immunity-from-past-infection-68506
“could”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-04/african-swine-fever-second-wave-hits-pigs-in-china/13208048
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-04/nt-marks-one-year-covid-no-community-transmission/13208710
Last April, as coronavirus was taking hold in Australia, Northern Territory health authorities issued a stark warning: community spread of the deadly virus would be inevitable in the NT.
But a year to the day since the NT recorded its first case — a 52-year-old tourist who had been overseas before flying from Sydney to Darwin — the pandemic has so far proven that prediction wrong.
But he said two early choices — the decision to quarantine those people at a former workers camp south of the city, and to engage specialist health teams — helped keep those risks at bay.
“quarantine”, “former”
“But I can say categorically that what has been put in various forms and allegations simply did not happen.”
Ludvigsson’s research seemed to support those ideas. In a review about children’s role in the pandemic, published in Acta Paediatrica in May 2020, he reported there had been “no major school outbreaks in Sweden,” which he attributed to “personal communication” from Tegnell. But as critics noted, Swedish media had reported several school outbreaks by then, including one in which at least 18 of 76 staff were infected and one teacher died. (Children were not tested.)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670
we mean damn fk and all if only we could get away with research like this, imagine the hindex you could get
This just part of a quite informative article:
Covid-19: The E484K mutation and the risks it poses
BMJ 2021; 372 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n359 (Published 05 February 2021)
Cite this as: BMJ 2021;372:n359
The mutation E484K, first identified in the South African SARS-CoV-2 variant, has now been identified in the UK fast-spreading variant, prompting fears the virus is evolving further and could become resistant to vaccines. Jacqui Wise looks at what we know so far
What do we know about the E484K mutation?
The E484K mutation is not a new variant in itself, it’s a mutation which occurs in different variants and has already been found in the South African (B.1.351) and Brazilian (B.1.1.28) variants. The mutation is in the spike protein and appears to have an impact on the body’s immune response and, possibly, vaccine efficacy. On 1 February, Public Health England (PHE) announced that the Covid-19 Genomics (COG-UK) consortium had identified this same E484K mutation in 11 samples carrying the UK variant B.1.1.7 (sometimes called the Kent variant), after analysing 214 159 sequences.1
Where has it been identified in the UK?
PHE confirmed to The BMJ that they have now identified 11 cases of the UK B1.1.7 variant carrying the E484K mutation around the Bristol area and 40 cases of the original SARS-C0V-2 virus carrying the same E484K mutation in the Liverpool area. Public health officials are carrying out enhanced contact tracing, additional laboratory analysis, and testing in these areas.
Is this mutation something to worry about?
E484K is called an escape mutation because it helps the virus slip past the body’s immune defences. Ravindra Gupta at the University of Cambridge and colleagues have confirmed that the new B.1.1.7 plus E484K variant substantially increases the amount of serum antibody needed to prevent infection of cells.2 We already know that the B.1.1.7 variant is more transmissible so a combination of a faster spreading virus that is also better at evading immunity is worrying—if it isn’t stopped it would outcompete the older B.1.1.7 variant.
Another concern is that the South African variant might be able to more efficiently reinfect people who have previously been infected with the original form of the virus. Lawrence Young, a virologist and professor of molecular oncology at Warwick University, said, “This is likely to be, in part, because the E484K mutation may weaken the immune response and also impact the longevity of the neutralising antibody response. So B.1.1.7 variants carrying the E484K mutation may be more efficient at reinfection.”
Will vaccines work against these emerging variants?
There has been research showing that the current vaccines work against the UK B.1.1.7 variant without the E484K mutation. However, recent clinical trials by Novavax and Johnson & Johnson showed that their new vaccines were less effective in South Africa compared with the UK or US, which is presumably because of the high level of virus carrying the E484K mutation. Even so, Novavax reported a 60% efficacy of their vaccine in South Africa which is still a fairly good response, equivalent to that of the influenza vaccine.3 And scientists say that vaccines can be redesigned and tweaked to be a better match for the new variants in a matter of months. The Oxford AstraZeneca team, for example, announced they were already looking at updating their vaccine to make it more effective against the mutations that are being seen and it could be available by the autumn. It is possible it could take the form of a one dose booster which is updated and rolled out every year.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n359
Michael V said:
This just part of a quite informative article:Covid-19: The E484K mutation and the risks it poses
(snip)
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n359
Sorry – that was a cut-n-paste of the start of the article. There is quite a bit more at:
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n359
“Calls for obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programs
There are calls of obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programs, after a new study found that nearly all of the world’s COVID-19 deaths are happening in countries with high rates of obesity.
Obesity is a known risk factor for severe COVID-19 but the latest global statistics from the World Obesity Federation are dramatic.
It says that death rates are usually ten times higher in countries where more than fifty percent of the population is overweight.
It’s calculated that Vietnam has virtually the lowest COVID death rate in the world and the lowest level of obesity.”
Stage 1 shut down down Hungry Jacks.
Stage 2 shut down KFC
Stage 3 shut down MacDonald’s
Stage 4 Quarantine all fat people.
Peak Warming Man said:
“Calls for obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programsThere are calls of obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programs, after a new study found that nearly all of the world’s COVID-19 deaths are happening in countries with high rates of obesity.
Obesity is a known risk factor for severe COVID-19 but the latest global statistics from the World Obesity Federation are dramatic.
It says that death rates are usually ten times higher in countries where more than fifty percent of the population is overweight.
It’s calculated that Vietnam has virtually the lowest COVID death rate in the world and the lowest level of obesity.”Stage 1 shut down down Hungry Jacks.
Stage 2 shut down KFC
Stage 3 shut down MacDonald’s
Stage 4 Quarantine all fat people.
Makes sense.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Calls for obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programsThere are calls of obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programs, after a new study found that nearly all of the world’s COVID-19 deaths are happening in countries with high rates of obesity.
Obesity is a known risk factor for severe COVID-19 but the latest global statistics from the World Obesity Federation are dramatic.
It says that death rates are usually ten times higher in countries where more than fifty percent of the population is overweight.
It’s calculated that Vietnam has virtually the lowest COVID death rate in the world and the lowest level of obesity.”Stage 1 shut down down Hungry Jacks.
Stage 2 shut down KFC
Stage 3 shut down MacDonald’s
Stage 4 Quarantine all fat people.Makes sense.
I understand getting somewhat overweight but how much must people eat and continue to eat to be grossly obese
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Calls for obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programsThere are calls of obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programs, after a new study found that nearly all of the world’s COVID-19 deaths are happening in countries with high rates of obesity.
Obesity is a known risk factor for severe COVID-19 but the latest global statistics from the World Obesity Federation are dramatic.
It says that death rates are usually ten times higher in countries where more than fifty percent of the population is overweight.
It’s calculated that Vietnam has virtually the lowest COVID death rate in the world and the lowest level of obesity.”Stage 1 shut down down Hungry Jacks.
Stage 2 shut down KFC
Stage 3 shut down MacDonald’s
Stage 4 Quarantine all fat people.Makes sense.
I understand getting somewhat overweight but how much must people eat and continue to eat to be grossly obese
Perhaps not only so much in relation to the morphology of the food mass but more likely what is in that food nass.
Cymek said:
I understand getting somewhat overweight but how much must people eat and continue to eat to be grossly obese
There was a TV programme which showed a lady inthe US who was so hugely, enormously fat that if she didn’t lose weight, she would certainly die very soon.
She swore black, blind, and blue that she’d give up eating the <>staggeringly huge amount of food that she consumed every day. Her daughter promisedto help her.
In the end, the lady whined, howled, complained, cried, demanded food constantly, never-endingly, badgering her daughter to the point where the daughter gave in and gave her what she asked for.
She died, of course.
Hopes of living longer goes Bang!
New evidence shows coronavirus can infect and kill heart muscle cells
A robust new study has demonstrated how SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, can infect and directly damage heart tissue. The research suggests previously reported cases of heart damage in COVID-19 patients are not due to inflammation in response to an infection but the virus itself interfering with heart muscles.
Although COVID-19 was initially deemed a respiratory illness, consistent reports in 2020 indicated patients suffered from notable cardiovascular complications. The common early consensus was the heart problems associated with COVID-19 were a secondary result of widespread inflammation that accompanies the disease.
“Early on in the pandemic, we had evidence that this coronavirus can cause heart failure or cardiac injury in generally healthy people, which was alarming to the cardiology community,” explains Kory Lavine, senior author on the new study. “Even some college athletes who had been cleared to go back to competitive athletics after COVID-19 infection later showed scarring in the heart. There has been debate over whether this is due to direct infection of the heart or due to a systemic inflammatory response that occurs because of the lung infection.”
To better understand how SARS-CoV-2 interacts with human heart tissue, the new research engineered heart muscle models using stem cells. These in vitro models allowed the researchers to definitively demonstrate how the virus specifically infects heart muscle cells.
The modeling also revealed the virus directly destroys the heart cells responsible for muscle contraction, called cardiomyocytes. This particular heart cell damage can occur in the absence of any inflammation or be amplified by any resultant inflammation.
“Inflammation can be a second hit on top of damage caused by the virus, but the inflammation itself is not the initial cause of the heart injury,” adds Lavine.
Lavine suggests SARS-CoV-2 seems to influence the heart in an unusual way, unlike other viruses. Whereas other viruses such as influenza are known to affect the heart, this one attracts a different kind of immune cell which could help explain why heart damage can linger for months in COVID-19 survivors.
“In general, the immune cells seen responding to other viruses tend to be associated with a relatively short disease that resolves with supportive care,” says Lavine. “But the immune cells we see in COVID-19 heart patients tend to be associated with a chronic condition that can have long-term consequences.”
Enduring heart problems are increasingly being recognized in recovered COVID-19 patients. A recent study tracking hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the months after discharge discovered 50 percent suffered some form of continuing heart damage.
Lavine and colleagues from the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis are urgently working on developing new animal models to better study the impact of COVID-19 on the heart. It is unclear exactly how long-lasting this heart damage may be, or what impact it has on one’s future cardiovascular health.
“Even young people who had very mild symptoms can develop heart problems later on that limit their exercise capacity,” adds Lavine. “We want to understand what’s happening so we can prevent it or treat it.”
The new research was published in the journal JACC: Basic to Translational Science.
https://newatlas.com/medical/covid19-heart-damage-virus-infects-muscle-cells/
Peak Warming Man said:
“Calls for obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programsThere are calls of obese people to be prioritised in vaccination programs, after a new study found that nearly all of the world’s COVID-19 deaths are happening in countries with high rates of obesity.
Obesity is a known risk factor for severe COVID-19 but the latest global statistics from the World Obesity Federation are dramatic.
It says that death rates are usually ten times higher in countries where more than fifty percent of the population is overweight.
It’s calculated that Vietnam has virtually the lowest COVID death rate in the world and the lowest level of obesity.”Stage 1 shut down down Hungry Jacks.
Stage 2 shut down KFC
Stage 3 shut down MacDonald’s
Stage 4 Quarantine all fat people.
Stages 1,2 and 3 would have absolutely no effect on my diet. And don’t mention BMI for measuring fatness – Rule is around I think…
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:I understand getting somewhat overweight but how much must people eat and continue to eat to be grossly obese
There was a TV programme which showed a lady inthe US who was so hugely, enormously fat that if she didn’t lose weight, she would certainly die very soon.
She swore black, blind, and blue that she’d give up eating the <>staggeringly huge amount of food that she consumed every day. Her daughter promisedto help her.
In the end, the lady whined, howled, complained, cried, demanded food constantly, never-endingly, badgering her daughter to the point where the daughter gave in and gave her what she asked for.
She died, of course.
ah yes indeed fat people should be deprioritised because they are less mobile, less likely to catch COVID-19, and less likely to spread it, makes sense
By Sophie Meixner
Gladys Berejiklian has said she would raise with National Cabinet the possibility of stopping daily infection updates.
Ms Berejiklian told The Australian newspaper future success against COVID-19 was about keeping people out of hospital, not counting cases.
Mr McGowan says she’s wrong and the New South Wales government should work with the rest of the country.
“The world’s still going through a global pandemic,” he said.
“There’s still international turmoil. Australia is a beacon of hope to the world. Our measures have worked. I don’t understand why people are trying to undermine them all the time. Today we announced retail trade figures, the best in the history of Western Australia- thats because our measures have worked.”
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razors eyebrows, as they say in the other thread
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Concerns passengers onboard Qatar flight to Brisbane contracted COVID-19 via ‘super spreader’By state political reporter Rachel Riga
Queensland’s Chief Health Officer says she holds concerns for six people who travelled on a Qatar Airways flight who may have contracted COVID-19 from a “super spreader” with three travellers now confirmed to have the Russian variant.
Are we allowed to call it the ‘Russian variant’?
Don’t ‘communist’ countries get frightfully emotional about being associated with diseases?
but maybe this time it really was[n’t] deliberate weaponisation of a deadly contagious disease
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:roughbarked said:Concerns passengers onboard Qatar flight to Brisbane contracted COVID-19 via ‘super spreader’By state political reporter Rachel Riga
Queensland’s Chief Health Officer says she holds concerns for six people who travelled on a Qatar Airways flight who may have contracted COVID-19 from a “super spreader” with three travellers now confirmed to have the Russian variant.
Are we allowed to call it the ‘Russian variant’?
Don’t ‘communist’ countries get frightfully emotional about being associated with diseases?
but maybe this time it really was[n’t] deliberate weaponisation of a deadly contagious disease
I do think that that is just possible in this instance but then again I couldn’t trust Poo-tin as far as I could kick him against the wind.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Are we allowed to call it the ‘Russian variant’?
Don’t ‘communist’ countries get frightfully emotional about being associated with diseases?
but maybe this time it really was[n’t] deliberate weaponisation of a deadly contagious disease
I do think that that is just possible in this instance but then again I couldn’t trust Poo-tin as far as I could kick him against the wind.
look at this nice smooth realistic curve
Europe, lagging in vaccinations, to go into ‘overdrive’ to catch up
By Frank Jordans
March 4, 2021 — 8.30am
Berlin: Slow off the blocks in the race to immunise its citizens against COVID-19, Germany faces an unfamiliar problem: a glut of vaccines and not enough arms to inject them into.
Like other countries in the European Union, its national vaccine campaign lags far behind that of Israel, Britain and the United States. Now there are growing calls in this country of 83 million to ditch the rule book, or at least rewrite it a bit.
Germans watched with morbid fascination in January as Britain trained an army of volunteers to deliver coronavirus shots, then marvelled that the UK — hit far worse by the pandemic than Germany — managed to vaccinate more than half-a-million people on some days.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/europe-lagging-in-vaccinations-to-go-into-overdrive-to-catch-up-20210304-p577my.html
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-05/australia-covid-vaccine-survey/13203170
SCIENCE said:
It’s True They Really Are More Likely To Be Selfish Pricks / Anti-Pricks / Anti-Anti-Pricks / …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-05/australia-covid-vaccine-survey/13203170
Ain’t natural selection grand?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
It’s True They Really Are More Likely To Be Selfish Pricks / Anti-Pricks / Anti-Anti-Pricks / …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-05/australia-covid-vaccine-survey/13203170
Ain’t natural selection grand?
might not matter
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.26.21252554v1
we estimate that P.1 may be 1.4-2.2 times more transmissible and 25-61% more likely to evade protective immunity elicited by previous infection
SCIENCE said:
might not matterhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.26.21252554v1
Genomics and epidemiology of a novel SARS-CoV-2 lineage in Manaus, Brazil
we estimate that P.1 may be 1.4-2.2 times more transmissible and 25-61% more likely to evade protective immunity elicited by previous infection
Covid-19 Variant in Brazil Overwhelms Local Hospitals, Hits Younger Patients
Brazil’s daily death toll from the disease rose to its highest level yet this week, pushing the country’s total number of Covid-19 fatalities past a quarter of a million. On Tuesday, Brazil reported a record 1,641 Covid fatalities. Neighbor Peru is struggling to curb a second wave of infections.
Several doctors have reported a surge in younger patients in their Covid-19 wards, many in their 30s and 40s with no underlying health problems. In Peru, some doctors said patients are becoming seriously ill faster, just three or four days after the first symptoms emerged, compared with an average of nine to 14 days last year.
“The virus is behaving differently,” said Rosa Lopez, a doctor in the intensive-care unit at Lima’s Guillermo Almenara Irigoyen Hospital. “It’s really aggressive…the situation is very difficult, really terrible.”
After scores of patients suffocated to death in Manaus earlier this year when hospitals ran out of oxygen, prosecutors are investigating reports from another Amazonian city that intubated patients were tied to their beds following a shortage of sedatives.
Brazilian cities such as São Paulo and the capital, Brasília, have introduced tougher restrictions over recent days. But many Brazilians have defied the rules, taking a cue from the country’s president. Right-wing leader Jair Bolsonaro has played down the disease and attacked state governors for imposing lockdowns, accusing them of destroying local businesses.
Apes at San Diego Zoo become first non-human primates to receive COVID-19 vaccine
Nine great apes at the San Diego Zoo, where a number of gorillas tested positive for coronavirus earlier this year, are doing well after receiving COVID-19 vaccines.
According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations China had vaccinated 9 million people by 9 Jan 2021, more than any other country in the world.
China had vaccinated 1.5 million by 15 Dec 2020. (more than 90% of world vaccinations). It must have started really early.
4.5 million by 31 Dec 2020.
The USA, the country with the second fastest roll-out, had only vaccinated 2.79 million by 30 Dec 2020 and 6.69 million by 8 Jan 2021.
mollwollfumble said:
According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations China had vaccinated 9 million people by 9 Jan 2021, more than any other country in the world.China had vaccinated 1.5 million by 15 Dec 2020. (more than 90% of world vaccinations). It must have started really early.
4.5 million by 31 Dec 2020.The USA, the country with the second fastest roll-out, had only vaccinated 2.79 million by 30 Dec 2020 and 6.69 million by 8 Jan 2021.
Seems UK was pretty quick of the mark too, for a diminutive little country.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations China had vaccinated 9 million people by 9 Jan 2021, more than any other country in the world.China had vaccinated 1.5 million by 15 Dec 2020. (more than 90% of world vaccinations). It must have started really early.
4.5 million by 31 Dec 2020.The USA, the country with the second fastest roll-out, had only vaccinated 2.79 million by 30 Dec 2020 and 6.69 million by 8 Jan 2021.
Seems UK was pretty quick of the mark too, for a diminutive little country.
Here we go.
China started its roll-out of the vaccine in June 2020. Yes, that early.
By the end of November, 1.5 million doses had been distributed.
Between the end of November and Dec 15, a further 3 million doses had been distributed, makinjg 4.5 million doses in all.
I keep telling everyone that other countries should all follow China’s approach to Covid control.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-12/31/c_139632402.htm
This is all for people at risk, before distribution to senior citizens, which came later.
China didn’t announce that it had started its vaccine rollout until 31 Dec 2020, six months after it started.
so what you’re saying is, if you want to win your vaccine race, you just have to be a country with extreme prejudice against the domestic Islamic demographic, and possibly the international one as well
A coronavirus variant called B1525 has become one of the most recent additions to the global variant watch list and has been included in the list of variants under investigation by Public Health England.
Scientists are keeping a watchful eye on this variant because it has several mutations in the gene that makes the spike protein – the part of the virus that latches onto human cells. These changes include the presence of the increasingly well-known mutation called E484K, which allows the virus to partly evade the immune system, and is found in the variants first identified in South Africa (B1351) and Brazil (P1).
While there is no information on what this means for B1525, there is growing evidence that E484K may impact how effective COVID vaccines are. But there is no suggestion so far that B1525 is more transmissible or that it leads to more severe disease.
There are other mutations in B1525 that are also noteworthy, such as Q677H. Scientists have repeatedly detected this change – at least six times in different lineages in the US, suggesting that it gives the virus an advantage, although the nature of any benefit has not been identified yet.
The B1525 variant also has several deletions – where “letters” (G, U, A and C) of the virus’s RNA are missing from its genome.
These letters are also missing in B117, the variant first detected in Kent, England. Research by Ravindra Gupta, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Cambridge, found that these deletions may increase infectivity twofold in laboratory experiments.
(Snippet – more at URL):
https://www.sciencealert.com/b1525-is-a-new-covid-variant-authorities-are-watching-here-s-what-we-know
California’s COVID-19 Variant Appears to Be More Contagious, And Possibly Deadlier
Scientists in California are increasingly worried about the state’s “homegrown” coronavirus variant, with studies now showing that the variant is more transmissible than earlier strains and may be more resistant to current vaccines, according to news reports.
More at:
https://www.sciencealert.com/homegrown-california-variant-b-1-427-b-1-429-seems-to-be-more-contagious-and-possibly-deadlier
I think we probably need to consider that pretty much all cold and flu viruses mutate, and always have done. In many ways we are simply watching this coronavirus a lot more closely than any virus has ever been watched before. The technology to watch this stuff is quite new in the scheme of things. We actually don’t know how quickly/in what ways the mutations happen normally every season.
buffy said:
I think we probably need to consider that pretty much all cold and flu viruses mutate, and always have done. In many ways we are simply watching this coronavirus a lot more closely than any virus has ever been watched before. The technology to watch this stuff is quite new in the scheme of things. We actually don’t know how quickly/in what ways the mutations happen normally every season.
I think it’s fascinating. So I post bits and pieces.
buffy said:
I think we probably need to consider that pretty much all cold and flu viruses mutate, and always have done. In many ways we are simply watching this coronavirus a lot more closely than any virus has ever been watched before. The technology to watch this stuff is quite new in the scheme of things. We actually don’t know how quickly/in what ways the mutations happen normally every season.
Yes.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I think we probably need to consider that pretty much all cold and flu viruses mutate, and always have done. In many ways we are simply watching this coronavirus a lot more closely than any virus has ever been watched before. The technology to watch this stuff is quite new in the scheme of things. We actually don’t know how quickly/in what ways the mutations happen normally every season.I think it’s fascinating. So I post bits and pieces.
Oh yes…it’s science and history in the making. We’ve even got different countries with different approaches..although nobody as far as I know was quite prepared to just let everything go as per a normal cold/flu season. Possibly some of the African countries have been too poor to do anything else though.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I think we probably need to consider that pretty much all cold and flu viruses mutate, and always have done. In many ways we are simply watching this coronavirus a lot more closely than any virus has ever been watched before. The technology to watch this stuff is quite new in the scheme of things. We actually don’t know how quickly/in what ways the mutations happen normally every season.I think it’s fascinating. So I post bits and pieces.
Oh yes…it’s science and history in the making. We’ve even got different countries with different approaches..although nobody as far as I know was quite prepared to just let everything go as per a normal cold/flu season. Possibly some of the African countries have been too poor to do anything else though.
Every virus mutates when entering a host, it’s well known.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:I think it’s fascinating. So I post bits and pieces.
Oh yes…it’s science and history in the making. We’ve even got different countries with different approaches..although nobody as far as I know was quite prepared to just let everything go as per a normal cold/flu season. Possibly some of the African countries have been too poor to do anything else though.
Every virus mutates when entering a host, it’s well known.
But the general public don’t seem to know that. Or the journalists. Or both.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I think we probably need to consider that pretty much all cold and flu viruses mutate, and always have done. In many ways we are simply watching this coronavirus a lot more closely than any virus has ever been watched before. The technology to watch this stuff is quite new in the scheme of things. We actually don’t know how quickly/in what ways the mutations happen normally every season.I think it’s fascinating. So I post bits and pieces.
Oh yes…it’s science and history in the making. We’ve even got different countries with different approaches..although nobody as far as I know was quite prepared to just let everything go as per a normal cold/flu season. Possibly some of the African countries have been too poor to do anything else though.
Iindeed. I note that all here have been watching with great interest.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:I think it’s fascinating. So I post bits and pieces.
Oh yes…it’s science and history in the making. We’ve even got different countries with different approaches..although nobody as far as I know was quite prepared to just let everything go as per a normal cold/flu season. Possibly some of the African countries have been too poor to do anything else though.
Every virus mutates when entering a host, it’s well known.
That’s why it is best to practice normal hygiene and stand off from people who want to breathe all over you and shake your hand.
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:Oh yes…it’s science and history in the making. We’ve even got different countries with different approaches..although nobody as far as I know was quite prepared to just let everything go as per a normal cold/flu season. Possibly some of the African countries have been too poor to do anything else though.
Every virus mutates when entering a host, it’s well known.
But the general public don’t seem to know that. Or the journalists. Or both.
Or this forum.
I talked of virus strains back in April/May last year and some people on the forum refused to believe me.
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:Every virus mutates when entering a host, it’s well known.
But the general public don’t seem to know that. Or the journalists. Or both.
Or this forum.
I talked of virus strains back in April/May last year and some people on the forum refused to believe me.
Which people?
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:Every virus mutates when entering a host, it’s well known.
But the general public don’t seem to know that. Or the journalists. Or both.
Or this forum.
I talked of virus strains back in April/May last year and some people on the forum refused to believe me.
No one said strains wouldn’t develop. They instead contended that differing infections rates world-wide were not a result of different strains. The first variants to emerge were the British and South African variants which emerged months after your comments.
While kids who contract SARS-CoV-2 generally don’t get severe COVID-19, evidence is accumulating that some may suffer long-lasting effects akin to what’s been dubbed long COVID in adults. Healthcare centers around the world are setting up facilities to monitor and deal with the problem, including among children.
Data from the UK Office for National Statistics released in February showed that 13 percent of COVID-19 patients under the age of 11 and about 15 percent of those aged 12 to 16 had at least one symptom more than a month after diagnosis. And in a preprint posted on medRxiv at the end of January, researchers surveying caregivers of 129 patients under the age of 18 in Rome found that more than half of the children had yet to completely recover within four months of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test, and nearly one-quarter of the children had three or more symptoms that persisted for at least that long.
In both cases, the long-term challenges aren’t limited to those hit hard by the infection initially, the researchers found; even some children who didn’t feel sick when they first tested positive described symptoms months later.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/kids-may-suffer-from-long-covid-but-data-are-scarce-68511
Let It Rip
SCIENCE said:
Let It Rip
https://scoop.upworthy.com/cuomo-aides-changed-nursing-home-report-hide-higher-death-toll-new-york
Cuomo aides changed nursing home report to hide higher death toll in New York: report
The state’s public health department officials quit their jobs following clashes with Cuomo’s aides.
New York governor Andrew Cuomo’s top aides re-worked a nursing home report to drastically reduce the death count to make the governor’s office look good, according to reports. The nursing home report written by state health officials included a count of how many nursing home residents had died in the pandemic, in New York. Cuomo’s top aides worked to reduce the death count as the governor was preparing to write a book about his purported success in handling the pandemic in the state, reported The New York Times. The death toll reported by the New York health department was roughly 50 percent higher than the figure cited publicly by the Cuomo administration.
dv said:
https://scoop.upworthy.com/cuomo-aides-changed-nursing-home-report-hide-higher-death-toll-new-yorkCuomo aides changed nursing home report to hide higher death toll in New York: report
The state’s public health department officials quit their jobs following clashes with Cuomo’s aides.
New York governor Andrew Cuomo’s top aides re-worked a nursing home report to drastically reduce the death count to make the governor’s office look good, according to reports. The nursing home report written by state health officials included a count of how many nursing home residents had died in the pandemic, in New York. Cuomo’s top aides worked to reduce the death count as the governor was preparing to write a book about his purported success in handling the pandemic in the state, reported The New York Times. The death toll reported by the New York health department was roughly 50 percent higher than the figure cited publicly by the Cuomo administration.
I don’t see how he survives this politically, especially with all the other shit that is piling on.
dv said:
https://scoop.upworthy.com/cuomo-aides-changed-nursing-home-report-hide-higher-death-toll-new-yorkCuomo aides changed nursing home report to hide higher death toll in New York: report
The state’s public health department officials quit their jobs following clashes with Cuomo’s aides.
New York governor Andrew Cuomo’s top aides re-worked a nursing home report to drastically reduce the death count to make the governor’s office look good, according to reports. The nursing home report written by state health officials included a count of how many nursing home residents had died in the pandemic, in New York. Cuomo’s top aides worked to reduce the death count as the governor was preparing to write a book about his purported success in handling the pandemic in the state, reported The New York Times. The death toll reported by the New York health department was roughly 50 percent higher than the figure cited publicly by the Cuomo administration.
Heck!
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://scoop.upworthy.com/cuomo-aides-changed-nursing-home-report-hide-higher-death-toll-new-yorkCuomo aides changed nursing home report to hide higher death toll in New York: report
The state’s public health department officials quit their jobs following clashes with Cuomo’s aides.
New York governor Andrew Cuomo’s top aides re-worked a nursing home report to drastically reduce the death count to make the governor’s office look good, according to reports. The nursing home report written by state health officials included a count of how many nursing home residents had died in the pandemic, in New York. Cuomo’s top aides worked to reduce the death count as the governor was preparing to write a book about his purported success in handling the pandemic in the state, reported The New York Times. The death toll reported by the New York health department was roughly 50 percent higher than the figure cited publicly by the Cuomo administration.
I don’t see how he survives this politically, especially with all the other shit that is piling on.
learnt from the best président
ABC News:
‘Europe records 1 million new COVID-19 cases in a week , ending a six-week decline in new infections. The WHO says coronavirus variants are causing damage across the continent.’
When will these people learn? Just because the infection rate begins to dip, and some people have got a jab of vaccine, you can’t go back to rubbing noses when you greet someone or whatever they do, and having voluble conversations with your faces 15 centimetres apart.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Europe records 1 million new COVID-19 cases in a week , ending a six-week decline in new infections. The WHO says coronavirus variants are causing damage across the continent.’
When will these people learn? Just because the infection rate begins to dip, and some people have got a jab of vaccine, you can’t go back to rubbing noses when you greet someone or whatever they do, and having voluble conversations with your faces 15 centimetres apart.
to be fair they are successfully fattening the curve just like half the world promised 30 million seconds ago
