I bought some new safety glasses with magnifiers at the bottom of the lens for reading, so that’s nice.

Rule 303 said:

I bought some new safety glasses with magnifiers at the bottom of the lens for reading, so that’s nice.

It’s also rather clever. That way you don’t have to remove the safety glasses if you need to check things, such as meter readings.

AussieDJ said:

Rule 303 said:

I bought some new safety glasses with magnifiers at the bottom of the lens for reading, so that’s nice.

It’s also rather clever. That way you don’t have to remove the safety glasses if you need to check things, such as meter readings.

peers over glasses

Where the fuck have you been?

Are you well?

sibeen said:

peers over glasses

Where the fuck have you been?

Are you well?

Work. Been working from home for almost 12 months now. Cactus home computer (this one is work-supplied so I can work from home). Lost a lot of vital information when it died.

Well? Depends on the definition.

How are you?

And, for that matter, how is everyone?

AussieDJ said:

sibeen said:

peers over glasses

Where the fuck have you been?

Are you well?

Work. Been working from home for almost 12 months now. Cactus home computer (this one is work-supplied so I can work from home). Lost a lot of vital information when it died.

Well? Depends on the definition.

How are you?

And, for that matter, how is everyone?

I suppose I can only reply for myself and Curve (Awesome O). He died last year. I’m a bit better than that.

AussieDJ said:

sibeen said:

peers over glasses

Where the fuck have you been?

Are you well?

Work. Been working from home for almost 12 months now. Cactus home computer (this one is work-supplied so I can work from home). Lost a lot of vital information when it died.

Well? Depends on the definition.

How are you?

And, for that matter, how is everyone?

Hello. *waves. Good to read you.

We’re all dying and I don’t like it all. It’s a shit system.

sarahs mum said:

AussieDJ said:

sibeen said:

peers over glasses

Where the fuck have you been?

Are you well?

Work. Been working from home for almost 12 months now. Cactus home computer (this one is work-supplied so I can work from home). Lost a lot of vital information when it died.

Well? Depends on the definition.

How are you?

And, for that matter, how is everyone?

Hello. *waves. Good to read you.

We’re all dying and I don’t like it all. It’s a shit system.

I agree with sm, and we’re normally at loggerheads :)

Yeah I’m alright, AussieDJ.

dv said:

Yeah I’m alright, AussieDJ.

Good. Keep it that way. :)

dv said:

Yeah I’m alright, AussieDJ.

You’re better than alright alright.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Yeah I’m alright, AussieDJ.

You’re better than alright alright.

Well I hardly like to brag

NASA releases 360–degree panorama of Perseverance rover landing site

NASA has released the first HD 360-degree panorama taken by the Perseverance rover’s mast-mounted cameras since it touched down on the Red Planet on Feb. 18, 2021 . The composite image, which was captured on the third Martian day of the mission (Sol 3), is the first of many that the rover will take as it unravels the secrets still harbored by the Red Planet.

more…

Smartphone snaps surprise in the 2021 Mobile Photography Awards

Established in 2011, the Mobile Photography Awards is a unique contest; as much as chronicle of smartphone camera evolution as a celebration of the art of mobile photography. In its 10th year it presents an indisputable case for the power of modern mobile photography.

more…

Nikon announces 4K, 1,000-fps video sensor with adaptive exposure

Nikon cameras have had excellent sensors in them for many years, principally because Sony’s been making them. But this new sensor could be a game-changer, with super-slow motion, huge dynamic range, and exposure live-adjusted throughout the image.

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NASA releases 360–degree panorama of Perseverance rover landing site

NASA has released the first HD 360-degree panorama taken by the Perseverance rover’s mast-mounted cameras since it touched down on the Red Planet on Feb. 18, 2021 . The composite image, which was captured on the third Martian day of the mission (Sol 3), is the first of many that the rover will take as it unravels the secrets still harbored by the Red Planet.

more…

75 years ago, the world’s first modern computer made its public debut

Seventy five years ago, the world was introduced to ENIAC, the first ever electronic, programmable, general purpose, digital computer, in a demonstration that not only ushered in the first glimmers of the computer age, but also shaped popular conceptions of the computer that continue to this day.

more…

Giant Ice Pillar Rises 200 ft Above Water After Huge Glacier Calving Event in Alaska
https://twistedsifter.com/videos/ice-pillar-rises-200-ft-after-glacier-calving-in-alaska/

sarahs mum said:

Giant Ice Pillar Rises 200 ft Above Water After Huge Glacier Calving Event in Alaska
https://twistedsifter.com/videos/ice-pillar-rises-200-ft-after-glacier-calving-in-alaska/

Impressive.

MIT creates a camera lens that can change focus without moving parts

Modern zoom lenses work wonderfully, but crack one open and you’ll be greeted by a truly terrifying degree of micro-mechanical complexity, with 20 or more polished glass elements set to move in different directions at varying rates when you work the zoom or focus rings. The fact that these things last for years and years of heavy use while getting banged against furniture, exposed to rain, dust and varying temperatures, is a glowing testament to the geniuses that develop them.

more…

Framework Laptop designed for customization and repair

Californian startup Framework says that it was founded to provide quality products that can be customized, upgraded and repaired with ease. The company has today launched a 13.5-inch laptop aimed at ticking all of those boxes.

more…

https://frame.work/

Study points to ship hull coatings as a major source of microplastic pollution

When we hear about microplastic particles polluting the ocean, the usual suspected sources are degraded consumer plastic goods and synthetic textile fibers from washing machines. A new study, however, suggests that much of the blame lies with protective hull coatings on ships.

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Roman chariot unearthed ‘almost intact’ near Pompeii

An ornate Roman chariot has been discovered “almost intact” near Italy’s buried city of Pompeii, the archaeological park announced on Saturday, calling it a discovery with “no parallel” in the country.

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Facebook thinks it won the battle of the media bargaining code — but so does the government

With the dust settling on the news media bargaining code battle royale, both Facebook and the Australian government have declared victory.

Key points:

Last-minute concessions mean media bargaining code may never be used
Regional media companies lose out under the deal
Google, Facebook, government and big media businesses are winners

The 21 best science documentaries you should watch right now

What Is Time?

Time is a measure of non-stop, consistent change in our surroundings, usually from a specific viewpoint.

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more…

Scientists Invent a Machine That Generates Mathematics We’ve Never Seen Before

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Zodiac Embroidery

Scientists Have Filmed A Space-Time Crystal For The First Time

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Science Made Simple: What is Cosmic Acceleration and Dark Energy?

The universe is expanding, and it expands a little faster all the time. Scientists call the speeding up of this expansion cosmic acceleration. This growth increases the distance between points in the universe, just like stretching a rubber sheet would make points on that sheet move further and further apart.

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What is a quasar?

A quasar is an extremely bright and distant point-like source visible to radio telescopes. The source is a so-called Active Galactic Nucleus, fueled by a supermassive black hole.

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Future of Cities

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Artificial Neural Nets Finally Yield Clues to How Brains Learn

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Tau.Neutrino said:

Future of Cities

By 2050, 68% of the world’s population is projected to live in cities. What will those cities look like? There is no one template — some will be intentionally planned or rebuilt, while others will spring up haphazardly without any central planning.

more…

I was going to comment here about the influence of traffic congestion on what cities look like. But I haven’t thought it through well enough.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Future of Cities

By 2050, 68% of the world’s population is projected to live in cities. What will those cities look like? There is no one template — some will be intentionally planned or rebuilt, while others will spring up haphazardly without any central planning.

more…

I was going to comment here about the influence of traffic congestion on what cities look like. But I haven’t thought it through well enough.

Would an ideal city have its transport system underground?

Flowing green corridors, eliminating eye sores with Feng shui suburbs?

Morning 12° heading for 18°.

Good morning Holidayers. Eleven degrees and overcast at the moment. Our forecast for today is for 20 and a possible shower. Some rain would be good now.

buffy said:

Good morning Holidayers. Eleven degrees and overcast at the moment. Our forecast for today is for 20 and a possible shower. Some rain would be good now.

Time marches on I see.
Sunny. Winds SW 20 to 30 km/h turning S 15 to 25 km/h in the late evening. Daytime maximum temperatures 29 to 34.

No rain is to be forthcoming within the next two weeks.

Firefighting foam containing PFAS is banned in NSW from today.

Overcast and 31 today, which also means muggy.

Couple of celebrity dreams last night: Kylie Minogue was about to marry Michael Hutchence (from INXS) but Jason Donovan tried to talk her out of it.

The second was something about Will Ferrell while I was trying to eat breakfast in a house that needed cleaning, but I can’t quite remember.

dv said:

4’6 was quite a lot of money back then. Could probably have bought a couple of cartons of beer with that.

dv said:

should start a tread on the pitfalls of regrooving ones tyres.

dv said:

What can go wrong?

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

should start a tread on the pitfalls of regrooving ones tyres.

ha. :)

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

What can go wrong?

These days, you’d get booked.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

What can go wrong?

These days, you’d get booked.

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

What can go wrong?

These days, you’d get booked.

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

These days, you’d get booked.

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

same here.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

These days, you’d get booked.

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

Different states, altered states.

As usual such stuff is just crazy. In SA you can register your car with visible rust.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

These days, you’d get booked.

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

though you really don’t see very many unroadworthy vehicles these days. Hardly see the rust buckets of yore.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

What can go wrong?

I’ve got a proper grooving tool here, so I can groove racing slick tyres into wet weather tyres. It’s got a heated cutting loop, to help it carve through the soft rubber.
That being said, I’ve found the best way to deal with wet weather in my various racing cars is to not go out in the wet. Bad things happen.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

Different states, altered states.

As usual such stuff is just crazy. In SA you can register your car with visible rust.

Of course this causes me to wonder. In NSW, if you get pulled up at a Random Roadside Breath test, you may be subject to vehicle roadworthy checks as well as registration up to date checks. Not to mention checks for seatbelt wearing and any other thing thta may be attached via computer to your license.

What’s it like in other states?

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

What can go wrong?

I’ve got a proper grooving tool here, so I can groove racing slick tyres into wet weather tyres. It’s got a heated cutting loop, to help it carve through the soft rubber.
That being said, I’ve found the best way to deal with wet weather in my various racing cars is to not go out in the wet. Bad things happen.

The latter yes. Unless of course you learned to drive in wet conditions.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

Different states, altered states.

As usual such stuff is just crazy. In SA you can register your car with visible rust.

Of course this causes me to wonder. In NSW, if you get pulled up at a Random Roadside Breath test, you may be subject to vehicle roadworthy checks as well as registration up to date checks. Not to mention checks for seatbelt wearing and any other thing thta may be attached via computer to your license.

What’s it like in other states?

I don’t know. Theoretically, probably. Definitely need a roadworthy cert for selling a car or if the vehicle is being re-registered in Qld from another state.

Might get some rain

JudgeMental said:

Might get some rain

Wishing you luck with that. When and if you are finished with it, give it my coords. please?

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

Might get some rain

Wishing you luck with that. When and if you are finished with it, give it my coords. please?

Prospects don’t look too good at the mo for rain my way.

JudgeMental said:

Might get some rain

raining and storming here.. actually just finished the storm.. put a bit of a dent in our plans today… now I will work instead.

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

Divine Angel said:

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

that foot is a legend.

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

that foot is a legend.

and nobody could post for 10 minutes!

Divine Angel said:

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

Will it be in the ‘Underbelly’ style of surreptitiously glamoursing a criminal, and portraying them as the unfortunate victim of circumstances?

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

Will it be in the ‘Underbelly’ style of surreptitiously glamoursing a criminal, and portraying them as the unfortunate victim of circumstances?

Of course.

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

that foot is a legend.

SHOE FOLLOWER: She has given us… Her shoe!

ARTHUR: The shoe is the sign. Let us follow Her example.

SPIKE: What?

ARTHUR: Let us, like Her, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot, for this is Her sign, that all who follow Her shall do likewise.

EDDIE: Yes.

SHOE FOLLOWER: No, no, no. The shoe is…

YOUTH: No.

SHOE FOLLOWER: …a sign that we must gather shoes together in abundance.

GIRL: Cast off…

SPIKE: Aye. What?

GIRL: …the shoes! Follow the Gourd!

SHOE FOLLOWER: No! Let us gather shoes together!

FRANK: Yes.

SHOE FOLLOWER: Let me!

ELSIE: Oh, get off!

dv said:

I’m a little sceptical of the “less likelihood of punctures” bit.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

Will it be in the ‘Underbelly’ style of surreptitiously glamoursing a criminal, and portraying them as the unfortunate victim of circumstances?

Of course.

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Will it be in the ‘Underbelly’ style of surreptitiously glamoursing a criminal, and portraying them as the unfortunate victim of circumstances?

Of course.

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

a cabinet minister…

Treasurer says Minister in anonymous letter is entitled to presumption of innocence

….

and after all presumption…?

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

These days, you’d get booked.

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

Same in Vic

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

All tyres these days are date stamped and no matter how much tread is on the tyre, if the date stamp doesn’t pass, you cannot register the vehicle without replacing the tyres.

Oh, those days of requiring a roadworthy to rego your car… Here in Qld, they send you a rego reminder, you pay it, done. No proof of roadworthy, no history of servicing required. You just pay and go on your way.

Same in Vic

When a group of us had beach buggies we had one set of legal wheels & tyres between us. At rego inspection time we’d fit the legal set to the buggy.

I picked Daddy up, wanted a ride in the ambulance, some hospital food, different company for a night, captive audience, reckons the hospital beds are good

$1600, they’re insured, still had me pondering a more economy style ambulance, converting the old ute, not sure about resuscitation equipment, maybe start with an old electric fence unit, across the temples and chest, maybe force whoever to watch Event Horizon should keep the adrenaline going, not sure about the assisted breathing part, maybe a toilet plunger over the mouth strapped on to the head, connected via crank to an electric motor

innovative ideas from transition

the wind and dust continues, wetting the yard down the lady is

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

Will it be in the ‘Underbelly’ style of surreptitiously glamoursing a criminal, and portraying them as the unfortunate victim of circumstances?

Of course.

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Woodie said:

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Her foot was found two days ago and ch 9 + Stan have already green lit a TV series about her.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2021/03/nine-confirms-crime-drama-on-melissa-caddick.html

that foot is a legend.

SHOE FOLLOWER: She has given us… Her shoe!

ARTHUR: The shoe is the sign. Let us follow Her example.

SPIKE: What?

ARTHUR: Let us, like Her, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot, for this is Her sign, that all who follow Her shall do likewise.

EDDIE: Yes.

SHOE FOLLOWER: No, no, no. The shoe is…

YOUTH: No.

SHOE FOLLOWER: …a sign that we must gather shoes together in abundance.

GIRL: Cast off…

SPIKE: Aye. What?

GIRL: …the shoes! Follow the Gourd!

SHOE FOLLOWER: No! Let us gather shoes together!

FRANK: Yes.

SHOE FOLLOWER: Let me!

ELSIE: Oh, get off!

Ha!

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Of course.

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Did a Cap’n Bob Maxwell exit.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Of course.

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I’m a little sceptical of the “less likelihood of punctures” bit.

less chance of sliding off the road, going off the edge of a cliff and the tyre popping when you hit the bottom

less chance of the car bursting into flames also, bit surprised they didn’t mention that

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

Feet seem to be resiient.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

Depends what nibbles on them.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Of course.

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

one of my consultant supervisors was interviewed about this and has suggested that so far, with just a foot, it does not indicate that the victim is dead. “You can live without a foot”.

so faked own death is also a possibility..

however the article suggested that Xanthe was ‘out of the box’ and ‘unique’ in her thinking.. assuming she was saying she DID self amputate rather than it’s just a possibility to consider… ah the media.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

After a while.

First, they sink, then decomposition gases make them float, and then they sink again.

There’s no shortage of fish, birds, and crabs willing to assist in the disassembly.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

there4 is a lot of ‘depends’ on these statements… disarticulated feet tend to often wash up places because the shoe they are in act as life raft of sorts.. keeping the flesh out of the water and ‘protected’ (as such). ankles are quite thin and one of the reasons why you shouldn’t attach weights to the ankles because it takes not much to wear through… so to speak.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

It’s been a couple of months, hasn’t it?

Betoota Advocate:

‘
DNA Test Reveals Body Found In Bushland Outside Canberra Is Not That Of Missing Prime Minister

ERROL PARKER | Editor-at-large | Contact

The search for missing man Scott Morrison continues today after DNA test results prove the body found in bushland west of Canberra this morning does not belong to the Prime Minister.

It has now been four days since Mr Morrison was reported missing by concerned colleagues after bombshell developments that suggest one of his cabinet ministers is a known rapist.

Since then, the people of Australia have been wondering where he is, because he hasn’t appeared since those allegations have come to light.’

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

It’s been a couple of months, hasn’t it?

Yeah it has been. Probably enough time.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

If things eat bits off them then yes.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

Feet seem to be resiient.

Shark wasn’t into shoes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/tas-susan-neill-fraser-appeal-begins/13202294

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/tas-susan-neill-fraser-appeal-begins/13202294

https://academictimes.com/first-vaccine-to-fully-immunize-against-malaria-builds-on-pandemic-driven-rna-tech/

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/tas-susan-neill-fraser-appeal-begins/13202294

You beat me! I should have posted before reading it!

yay! I have the ABC back on my Facebook

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

It’s been a couple of months, hasn’t it?

SHe disappeared Nov 12, 2020.

Arts said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What’s the consensus? Hubby, someone nasty she fleeced?

Some reports suggest suicide.

one of my consultant supervisors was interviewed about this and has suggested that so far, with just a foot, it does not indicate that the victim is dead. “You can live without a foot”.

so faked own death is also a possibility..

however the article suggested that Xanthe was ‘out of the box’ and ‘unique’ in her thinking.. assuming she was saying she DID self amputate rather than it’s just a possibility to consider… ah the media.

There were reports yesterday more body parts were floating around/washing up. I suppose there’s still some DNA testing going on before the authorities can confirm.

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/tas-susan-neill-fraser-appeal-begins/13202294

I just read the comments on the Mercury facebook post. One of them said that Bob was murdered due his sexual intererence with Vass. I wanted to write something…but couldn’t. I’m still shook up that people can say shit like that.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Some reports suggest suicide.

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

Feet seem to be resiient.

Not that Ms Caddick was pregnant, but there is a rather nasty side effect of death called a coffin birth. Basically the decomposition gases force the foetus out.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/tas-susan-neill-fraser-appeal-begins/13202294

I just read the comments on the Mercury facebook post. One of them said that Bob was murdered due his sexual intererence with Vass. I wanted to write something…but couldn’t. I’m still shook up that people can say shit like that.

due to sexual interference.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/tas-susan-neill-fraser-appeal-begins/13202294

I just read the comments on the Mercury facebook post. One of them said that Bob was murdered due his sexual intererence with Vass. I wanted to write something…but couldn’t. I’m still shook up that people can say shit like that.

do try to ignore that stuff.. the problem with arguing with idiots is that they bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Do bodies break up easily in the ocean?

Feet seem to be resiient.

Not that Ms Caddick was pregnant, but there is a rather nasty side effect of death called a coffin birth. Basically the decomposition gases force the foetus out.

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Feet seem to be resiient.

Not that Ms Caddick was pregnant, but there is a rather nasty side effect of death called a coffin birth. Basically the decomposition gases force the foetus out.

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

So, how have you been sleeping lately?

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Not that Ms Caddick was pregnant, but there is a rather nasty side effect of death called a coffin birth. Basically the decomposition gases force the foetus out.

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

So, how have you been sleeping lately?

I have excellent compartmentalisation skills… so all good.

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

So, how have you been sleeping lately?

I have excellent compartmentalisation skills… so all good.

No worries then. :)

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

sarahs mum said:

Feet seem to be resiient.

Not that Ms Caddick was pregnant, but there is a rather nasty side effect of death called a coffin birth. Basically the decomposition gases force the foetus out.

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

Foetal abductions?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That’s some nasty shit right there.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Not that Ms Caddick was pregnant, but there is a rather nasty side effect of death called a coffin birth. Basically the decomposition gases force the foetus out.

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

Foetal abductions?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That’s some nasty shit right there.

the planning involved is right up there… the longevity of the plan, the follow through, the masquerade, the ability to manipulate everyone around you, the act of it.. it’s got it all. Psychologically speaking.

sarahs mum said:

https://academictimes.com/first-vaccine-to-fully-immunize-against-malaria-builds-on-pandemic-driven-rna-tech/

Great stuff!

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

So, how have you been sleeping lately?

I have excellent compartmentalisation skills… so all good.

I have shitty compartmentalisation skills.

Buildings cause strange weather behaviour.
Looking out the window of my room in Cairns overlooking the Grove/Lake St intersection the wind is blowing from West to East along Grove St. and South to North along Lake St.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Not that Ms Caddick was pregnant, but there is a rather nasty side effect of death called a coffin birth. Basically the decomposition gases force the foetus out.

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

Foetal abductions?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That’s some nasty shit right there.

Tis very awful stuffs.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

https://academictimes.com/first-vaccine-to-fully-immunize-against-malaria-builds-on-pandemic-driven-rna-tech/

Great stuff!

Icouldn’t copy and paste. Maybe someone else can find another link and thread it. It seems important.

Well that was a good storm, had a bit of everything, boom crash opera, hail and torrential rain.
Hope I can get over the creek, going home soon.

Peak Warming Man said:

Well that was a good storm, had a bit of everything, boom crash opera, hail and torrential rain.
Hope I can get over the creek, going home soon.

I have rain happening.Glad I did the pumping yesterday and have an empty tank for it.

Tamb said:

Buildings cause strange weather behaviour.
Looking out the window of my room in Cairns overlooking the Grove/Lake St intersection the wind is blowing from West to East along Grove St. and South to North along Lake St.

Building I used to work in had a bit of a whirl-wind effect with winds from a certain direction, especially the winter storm direction. It had a sort of a courtyard set back from the street a little bit. Anyways, there was a coffee shop out there that had chairs and tables and umbrellas set up. One morning started fine-ish but a strong cold front hit just before lunchtime. The staff were too busy to notice and get the furniture in. When the storm hit there were umbrellas and plastic chairs flying all over the place. Quite spectacular.

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

He wouldn’t be the first to try the bigger wheel argument.

The rest of his plea bargaining was ridiculous.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

He wouldn’t be the first to try the bigger wheel argument.

The rest of his plea bargaining was ridiculous.

I mean, it was all ridiculous. Maybe the plea bargaining was unnique?

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

AFAIK nobody has ever convinced a judge that bigger wheels is an excuse.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

There is a scientific method for calculating the rolling circumference.
By using the eq.2, the rolling circumference for this example is
RC = 2 x ∏ x 0.96 x R = 2 × 3.14 × 0.96 × 330.25 = 1991.01 mm. He was probably correct but I suspect that it would not make 8 kph difference.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

AFAIK nobody has ever convinced a judge that bigger wheels is an excuse.

It’s not an excuse as the driver is responsible for his speed regardless of instrument error.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

AFAIK nobody has ever convinced a judge that bigger wheels is an excuse.

It’s not an excuse as the driver is responsible for his speed regardless of instrument error.

And he claimed to be aware for a long time that his speedometer was inaccurate, so why didn’t he adjust his speed accordingly?

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

AFAIK nobody has ever convinced a judge that bigger wheels is an excuse.

It’s not an excuse as the driver is responsible for his speed regardless of instrument error.

And he claimed to be aware for a long time that his speedometer was inaccurate, so why didn’t he adjust his speed accordingly?

This ^

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/28/i-hate-to-say-it-but-britains-doing-ok-even-germany-envies-us

I can’t believe they haven’t opened up this one for comment.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

AFAIK nobody has ever convinced a judge that bigger wheels is an excuse.

It’s not an excuse as the driver is responsible for his speed regardless of instrument error.

And he claimed to be aware for a long time that his speedometer was inaccurate, so why didn’t he adjust his speed accordingly?

Exactly

ABC Perth

2 hrs ·
Murchison River flows through Kalbarri
What a beautiful sight – the Murchison River flowing through the spectacular gorges near Kalbarri, Western Australia after a heavy downpour of rain further inland.
Adam Smith took this footage just over a week ago.
🎥 @happy.dayz.imagery via ABC Midwest and Wheatbelt.

https://www.facebook.com/abcperth/videos/130989155587058

I think it is the responsibility of the driver to ensure they are not breaking the speed limit.

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

slightly related note. one of my research groups is currently looking into foetal abductions… I would advise you to stay away if you ever want to sleep again.

Foetal abductions?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That’s some nasty shit right there.

the planning involved is right up there… the longevity of the plan, the follow through, the masquerade, the ability to manipulate everyone around you, the act of it.. it’s got it all. Psychologically speaking.

I’d never heard of this. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the Wikipedia article has predominantly American cases listed.

A doctor in Sacramento, California joined a traffic court hearing on Zoom while performing surgery on a patient.

Scott Green was dressed in surgical scrubs in an operating theatre when he appeared at his virtual trial on Thursday, the Sacramento Bee reported.

When questioned by the judge, Mr Green said he was happy to go ahead, and that he had “another surgeon right here who’s doing the surgery with me”.

The judge said that would not be “appropriate” and postponed the trial.

The Medical Board of California has now said in a statement that it would look into the incident, adding that it “expects physicians to follow the standard of care when treating their patients”.

Before the Sacramento Superior Court hearing, which was livestreamed on YouTube, a court clerk asked the plastic surgeon: “Hello, Mr Green? Hi. Are you available for trial? It kind of looks like you’re in an operating room.”

Green responded: “I am, sir. Yes, I’m in an operating room right now. Yes, I’m available for trial. Go right ahead.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56222317

dv said:

I think it is the responsibility of the driver to ensure they are not breaking the speed limit.

What if you were drug affected because you were bullied at school?

sarahs mum said:

ABC Perth

2 hrs ·
Murchison River flows through Kalbarri
What a beautiful sight – the Murchison River flowing through the spectacular gorges near Kalbarri, Western Australia after a heavy downpour of rain further inland.
Adam Smith took this footage just over a week ago.
🎥 @happy.dayz.imagery via ABC Midwest and Wheatbelt.

https://www.facebook.com/abcperth/videos/130989155587058

:)

sarahs mum said:

A doctor in Sacramento, California joined a traffic court hearing on Zoom while performing surgery on a patient.

Scott Green was dressed in surgical scrubs in an operating theatre when he appeared at his virtual trial on Thursday, the Sacramento Bee reported.

When questioned by the judge, Mr Green said he was happy to go ahead, and that he had “another surgeon right here who’s doing the surgery with me”.

The judge said that would not be “appropriate” and postponed the trial.

The Medical Board of California has now said in a statement that it would look into the incident, adding that it “expects physicians to follow the standard of care when treating their patients”.

Before the Sacramento Superior Court hearing, which was livestreamed on YouTube, a court clerk asked the plastic surgeon: “Hello, Mr Green? Hi. Are you available for trial? It kind of looks like you’re in an operating room.”

Green responded: “I am, sir. Yes, I’m in an operating room right now. Yes, I’m available for trial. Go right ahead.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56222317

Judge had more sense than the surgeon.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

A doctor in Sacramento, California joined a traffic court hearing on Zoom while performing surgery on a patient.

Scott Green was dressed in surgical scrubs in an operating theatre when he appeared at his virtual trial on Thursday, the Sacramento Bee reported.

When questioned by the judge, Mr Green said he was happy to go ahead, and that he had “another surgeon right here who’s doing the surgery with me”.

The judge said that would not be “appropriate” and postponed the trial.

The Medical Board of California has now said in a statement that it would look into the incident, adding that it “expects physicians to follow the standard of care when treating their patients”.

Before the Sacramento Superior Court hearing, which was livestreamed on YouTube, a court clerk asked the plastic surgeon: “Hello, Mr Green? Hi. Are you available for trial? It kind of looks like you’re in an operating room.”

Green responded: “I am, sir. Yes, I’m in an operating room right now. Yes, I’m available for trial. Go right ahead.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56222317

Judge had more sense than the surgeon.

I think if I was the patient I would be asking for my bill to be waived.

The word I learnt today – cerebration.

sibeen said:

The word I learnt today – cerebration.

Yay!!

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

A doctor in Sacramento, California joined a traffic court hearing on Zoom while performing surgery on a patient.

Scott Green was dressed in surgical scrubs in an operating theatre when he appeared at his virtual trial on Thursday, the Sacramento Bee reported.

When questioned by the judge, Mr Green said he was happy to go ahead, and that he had “another surgeon right here who’s doing the surgery with me”.

The judge said that would not be “appropriate” and postponed the trial.

The Medical Board of California has now said in a statement that it would look into the incident, adding that it “expects physicians to follow the standard of care when treating their patients”.

Before the Sacramento Superior Court hearing, which was livestreamed on YouTube, a court clerk asked the plastic surgeon: “Hello, Mr Green? Hi. Are you available for trial? It kind of looks like you’re in an operating room.”

Green responded: “I am, sir. Yes, I’m in an operating room right now. Yes, I’m available for trial. Go right ahead.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56222317

Judge had more sense than the surgeon.

Probably one of those stupid American things where routine driving infringements like speeding need to go before a court and get pleas and sentencing and like. In most civilised countries you just get a fine and you challenge it in court if you want to argue the toss. In some states these things must go to court and waste everybody’s time, even if the person is willing to admit guilt.

sibeen said:

The word I learnt today – cerebration.

I think I know what it means. Or I think. I know what it means.

Bucketing down again this end.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

I would imagine it also has a normal type speedo rather than just a gps one.

Bubblecar said:

Bucketing down again this end.

Not exactly bucketing down, but we had steady drizzle most of the morning. Now down to a few passing light showers. Actually rather nice, except that it is a public holiday and nice sunny weather would be better for outdoor activities.

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

I would imagine it also has a normal type speedo rather than just a gps one.

Gps won’t work if it can’t pick up satellites.

I can confirm that looking out the window shows no rain is happening here. The radar at Mount Gambier also thinks this is the case.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR142.loop.shtml#skip

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Adelaide man loses Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding fine he claims was caused by ‘bigger tyres and rims’

An Adelaide man has lost a Supreme Court bid to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that his car had “bigger-than-standard tyres and rims” which impacted the speedometer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/man-loses-bid-to-overturn-speeding-fine-because-of-big-tyres/13202380

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

AFAIK nobody has ever convinced a judge that bigger wheels is an excuse.

not to mention most people know tyre size influence speed indication, the judge could have required the chap to fit ten inch rims with low profile tyres and drive to the speed indicated on the speedometer, could have been a fun physics lesson

look hell funny too

Bubblecar said:

Bucketing down again this end.

I had a bunch. And then it cleared.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Bucketing down again this end.

I had a bunch. And then it cleared.

I even had a bit of far away booming.

buffy said:

I can confirm that looking out the window shows no rain is happening here. The radar at Mount Gambier also thinks this is the case.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR142.loop.shtml#skip

sprinklers still going here to settle any dust from most inner yard, but more coming from outside my place, not much can do about that

no rain on horizon next five days at least wench reckons

sibeen said:

The word I learnt today – cerebration.

I’ll have to think about that before I celebrate.

transition said:

buffy said:

I can confirm that looking out the window shows no rain is happening here. The radar at Mount Gambier also thinks this is the case.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR142.loop.shtml#skip

sprinklers still going here to settle any dust from most inner yard, but more coming from outside my place, not much can do about that

no rain on horizon next five days at least wench reckons

Thanks for reminding me. I need to put some sprinklers on for a bit.

Word of the day: IMPFNEID (German neologism) – envy of those who have been vaccinated

those Germans have a word for everything

Arts said:

Word of the day: IMPFNEID (German neologism) – envy of those who have been vaccinated

those Germans have a word for everything

impfen – to vaccinate

Der Neid – envy

Oddly enough I don’t remember coming across those words during HSC German in 1977. And I must have missed them on Kommissar Rex. I’m sure Der Neid would have come up somewhere in a police show.

Arts said:

Word of the day: IMPFNEID (German neologism) – envy of those who have been vaccinated

those Germans have a word for everything

alles.

VIDEO: Digital Revolution: The Microprocessor

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

sarahs mum said:

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Wonder how much he lost in court fees vs the original fine.

The defence wouldn’t work for my car, it has gps speedometer.

AFAIK nobody has ever convinced a judge that bigger wheels is an excuse.

It’s not an excuse as the driver is responsible for his speed regardless of instrument error.

This is the correct answer.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

The word I learnt today – cerebration.

I’ll have to think about that before I celebrate.

I’ll give it some thought.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I think it is a matter of respect for life.

The Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety was supposed to deliver a pathway to better care for older Australians. But across 148 recommendations, there were 43 points of disagreement between the two commissioners.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I think it is a matter of respect for life.

One can respect life without making silly coochy-coo noises at it.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I think it is a matter of respect for life.

Tend to agree.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I think it is a matter of respect for life.

One can respect life without making silly coochy-coo noises at it.

No one said one had to make silly baby talk even to babies.

Yet stupid humans do it all the time.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I think it is a matter of respect for life.

One can respect life without making silly coochy-coo noises at it.

Yes we are good at that, we know a lot about respect for life.

sarahs mum said:

At least the dogs know which way is up.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

I think it is a matter of respect for life.

One can respect life without making silly coochy-coo noises at it.

Yes we are good at that, we know a lot about respect for life.

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I’m not sure this is anthropomorphism. It seems to just be a different language for explaining how things work.

sarahs mum said:

Nice assortment :)

And we see the puppy’s powers of annoyance in action.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I’m not sure this is anthropomorphism. It seems to just be a different language for explaining how things work.

She’s talking to the flowers and pretending that they reply.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

What would moss do?

Robin Wall Kimmerer posed the question to her forest biology students at the State University of New York, in their final class last March, before the pandemic sent everyone home.

The answer was at least as useful as anything to be found in the glut of how-to-survive COVID stories that would follow over the next nine months:

Give more than you take Be patient when resources are scarce Find creative ways to use what you have

“Mosses have this ability, rather than demanding a lot from the world, they’re very creative in using what they have, rather than reaching for what they don’t have,” Kimmerer told Tapestry.

“When there are limits, the mosses say, ‘Let’s be quiet for a while. Abundance, openness, water, will return. We’ll wait this out.’”

Kimmerer is a plant ecologist, writer, and Distinguished Teaching Professor at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, NY and a member of the Potawatomi First Nation.
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants is published by Milkweed Editions. (Milkweed Editions)

Her 2013 book, Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants , became a surprise bestseller. Readers around the world warmed to Kimmerer’s view of the world, and to the way she blends the study of botany with Indigenous lore. The book made it to the New York Times bestseller list in February.

“As a scientist, I have been trained to refer to our relatives, the plants and the animals … the water and the Earth herself as ‘ it,’” she explained, contrasting what she learned studying the Potawatomi language.

“What I came to understand was that in Potawatomi languages, we characterise the world into those who are alive and the things which are not. So we speak a grammar of animacy,” said Kimmerer. “And that’s because in the beautiful verb-based language, a language based on being and changing and agency … the whole world is alive.”

Kimmerer, said she was driven to study botany because of the central question in her heart: “Why is the world so beautiful?”

To her earliest academic advisors, this was decidedly not a welcome line of research.

“Well, it took a long time to pick myself back up,” Kimmerer recalled. “I became very quiet. I felt like, oh, I had made a tremendous error.”

Kimmerer noted that she wasn’t the first one in her family to have traditional forms of knowledge ridiculed and dismissed.

“ was not unlike my grandfather’s first day of higher education, because he was one of the children who was taken from his family as a little boy and brought to our residential school… And so my adaptation responses as a young student was to get very good at what they said was science.”

Kimmerer often says that, although she is a plant biologist, she cannot hear the phrase “natural resources” without feeling profoundly uneasy. And she has an idea for a potential replacement: Earthly Gifts.

As an example, Tapestry asked Kimmerer how she would go about cutting flowers to bring into her home.

“I would greet those flowers and say how beautiful they are. I’m so grateful that you’re growing here. And, you know, my mom’s coming over and I want to cheer her up. May I cut some flowers to bring your beauty to her in our house?” explains Kimmerer.

“If the answer is yes … I would cut them and give a gift in return and bring them in.”

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/why-is-the-world-so-beautiful-an-indigenous-botanist-on-the-spirit-of-life-in-everything-1.5817787

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I thought mosses had their own cognitive imperialism based on their sex life?

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Nice assortment :)

And we see the puppy’s powers of annoyance in action.

And an instructional on how to eat a boot if you’re human.

roughbarked said:

The Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety was supposed to deliver a pathway to better care for older Australians. But across 148 recommendations, there were 43 points of disagreement between the two commissioners.

So a massive 105 points where they agreed.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.

Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms.

I’m not sure this is anthropomorphism. It seems to just be a different language for explaining how things work.

She’s talking to the flowers and pretending that they reply.

I think she is talking to herself.

So what machine is this the kid has his hand in?

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I’m not sure this is anthropomorphism. It seems to just be a different language for explaining how things work.

She’s talking to the flowers and pretending that they reply.

I think she is talking to herself.

I know she’s talking to herself :)

She presumably does too, so why the pretence?

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I’m not sure this is anthropomorphism. It seems to just be a different language for explaining how things work.

She’s talking to the flowers and pretending that they reply.

I think she is talking to herself.

This.

roughbarked said:

So what machine is this the kid has his hand in?

Etching press.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

One can respect life without making silly coochy-coo noises at it.

Yes we are good at that, we know a lot about respect for life.

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

I think you miss the point. You are not trying to communicate with words, but with empathy and words only express our feelings. Our trouble is if we want something, we knock everything else down to get it and think nothing about all the other things that suffer for your desires. If we acknowledge the lives of other living things we would things with much more feeling and care.

roughbarked said:

So what machine is this the kid has his hand in?

my etching press. He keeps going back to it trying to explore ways of doing himself some damage.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

She’s talking to the flowers and pretending that they reply.

I think she is talking to herself.

I know she’s talking to herself :)

She presumably does too, so why the pretence?

If it makes her day, why be critical?

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

She’s talking to the flowers and pretending that they reply.

I think she is talking to herself.

I know she’s talking to herself :)

She presumably does too, so why the pretence?

respect.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

So what machine is this the kid has his hand in?

my etching press. He keeps going back to it trying to explore ways of doing himself some damage.

Typical.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I think she is talking to herself.

I know she’s talking to herself :)

She presumably does too, so why the pretence?

respect.

As she cuts each flower “I say a little prayer for you”.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Yes we are good at that, we know a lot about respect for life.

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

I think you miss the point. You are not trying to communicate with words, but with empathy and words only express our feelings. Our trouble is if we want something, we knock everything else down to get it and think nothing about all the other things that suffer for your desires. If we acknowledge the lives of other living things we would things with much more feeling and care.

Sure, but try to acknowledge their lives for what they are. Pretending that they’re human minds trapped in alien bodies is misleading and just carries on the human tradition of regarding the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I think she is talking to herself.

I know she’s talking to herself :)

She presumably does too, so why the pretence?

respect.

It’s this. And what PF said.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

I think you miss the point. You are not trying to communicate with words, but with empathy and words only express our feelings. Our trouble is if we want something, we knock everything else down to get it and think nothing about all the other things that suffer for your desires. If we acknowledge the lives of other living things we would things with much more feeling and care.

Sure, but try to acknowledge their lives for what they are. Pretending that they’re human minds trapped in alien bodies is misleading and just carries on the human tradition of regarding the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.

I really don’t think she is doing this. I suspect she in no way thinks they are human.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

I think you miss the point. You are not trying to communicate with words, but with empathy and words only express our feelings. Our trouble is if we want something, we knock everything else down to get it and think nothing about all the other things that suffer for your desires. If we acknowledge the lives of other living things we would things with much more feeling and care.

Sure, but try to acknowledge their lives for what they are. Pretending that they’re human minds trapped in alien bodies is misleading and just carries on the human tradition of regarding the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.

That’s totally arse backwards. For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image as this is why we knock down whole forests and spray chemicals on the wind.

Because we call these beings names like it or resources.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

I think you miss the point. You are not trying to communicate with words, but with empathy and words only express our feelings. Our trouble is if we want something, we knock everything else down to get it and think nothing about all the other things that suffer for your desires. If we acknowledge the lives of other living things we would things with much more feeling and care.

Sure, but try to acknowledge their lives for what they are. Pretending that they’re human minds trapped in alien bodies is misleading and just carries on the human tradition of regarding the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.

I really don’t think she is doing this. I suspect she in no way thinks they are human.

I agree. She is attempting to respect life in all its forms.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

I think you miss the point. You are not trying to communicate with words, but with empathy and words only express our feelings. Our trouble is if we want something, we knock everything else down to get it and think nothing about all the other things that suffer for your desires. If we acknowledge the lives of other living things we would things with much more feeling and care.

Sure, but try to acknowledge their lives for what they are. Pretending that they’re human minds trapped in alien bodies is misleading and just carries on the human tradition of regarding the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.

Well for someone who lives indoors without pets and little gardening interest. Do you really think you have sufficient interest to make a sympathetic judgement? What you suggest is what our “advanced” civilisation has been doing for a very long time and without any concern for other living things, which would indicate that it is us who regards “the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.”

Ooh, look…a sports person I’ve heard of!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-01/tas-royce-hart-richmond-great-injured-in-head-on-crash-in-hobart/13204556

We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t regard indigenous anthropomorphism as being “more respectful” than the exploitive attitudes of later, more efficient technologies, because the latter grew out of the former, which was really just as centrally concerned with human benefit.

We need a human ethics that applies to human behaviour in the context of the real world, accurately modelled.

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

Anyway, I’ll be back later. Going to watch another episode of Wild Bill. The first one was quite OK.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

I think you miss the point. You are not trying to communicate with words, but with empathy and words only express our feelings. Our trouble is if we want something, we knock everything else down to get it and think nothing about all the other things that suffer for your desires. If we acknowledge the lives of other living things we would things with much more feeling and care.

Sure, but try to acknowledge their lives for what they are. Pretending that they’re human minds trapped in alien bodies is misleading and just carries on the human tradition of regarding the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.

That’s totally arse backwards. For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image as this is why we knock down whole forests and spray chemicals on the wind.

Because we call these beings names like it or resources.

>For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image

Wrong. She’s encouraging us to pretend that other life forms have essentially human social and cognitive attributes. This is pretty much a universal feature of hunter-gatherer worldviews.

Bubblecar said:

We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t regard indigenous anthropomorphism as being “more respectful” than the exploitive attitudes of later, more efficient technologies, because the latter grew out of the former, which was really just as centrally concerned with human benefit.

We need a human ethics that applies to human behaviour in the context of the real world, accurately modelled.

We need to see living things as individuals and respect them as such. To acknowledge them so, is to place them on a level of our understanding and something of worth.

JudgeMental said:

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

^^^

Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Sure, but try to acknowledge their lives for what they are. Pretending that they’re human minds trapped in alien bodies is misleading and just carries on the human tradition of regarding the Earth as ours to recreate in our own image, for own purposes.

That’s totally arse backwards. For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image as this is why we knock down whole forests and spray chemicals on the wind.

Because we call these beings names like it or resources.

>For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image

Wrong. She’s encouraging us to pretend that other life forms have essentially human social and cognitive attributes. This is pretty much a universal feature of hunter-gatherer worldviews.

Hunter/gatherers respect and acknowledge living things that are important to them and usually consider they have a spirit that they wish to appease.

>OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.
Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms

i’m not sure about that above, I think we’re going to have to maybe argue this one out, consider a few dumber possibilities

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t regard indigenous anthropomorphism as being “more respectful” than the exploitive attitudes of later, more efficient technologies, because the latter grew out of the former, which was really just as centrally concerned with human benefit.

We need a human ethics that applies to human behaviour in the context of the real world, accurately modelled.

We need to see living things as individuals and respect them as such. To acknowledge them so, is to place them on a level of our understanding and something of worth.

Yes, but I think Bubblecar is right that you cannot subscribe human values onto plants or animals which have their own set of living criteria different to ours, but the value of life should be acknowledged, it would be good not to see humans killing birds or animals for no reason. People need to respect all life.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

That’s totally arse backwards. For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image as this is why we knock down whole forests and spray chemicals on the wind.

Because we call these beings names like it or resources.

>For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image

Wrong. She’s encouraging us to pretend that other life forms have essentially human social and cognitive attributes. This is pretty much a universal feature of hunter-gatherer worldviews.

Hunter/gatherers respect and acknowledge living things that are important to them and usually consider they have a spirit that they wish to appease.

Yes but it’s myth-making for human benefit, not respect for living things as they really are.

Remember all the megafauna hunted to extinction by the early tribes? I’m sure these people had lots of charming, empathic stories about how the big fellows came to be so slow and easy to catch.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

One can respect life without making silly coochy-coo noises at it.

Yes we are good at that, we know a lot about respect for life.

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

You can learn a lot of things from the flowers, especially in the month of June.
https://youtu.be/g0lbfEb8MMk

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

>For what she is trying to get across is NOT to see the earth in our own image

Wrong. She’s encouraging us to pretend that other life forms have essentially human social and cognitive attributes. This is pretty much a universal feature of hunter-gatherer worldviews.

Hunter/gatherers respect and acknowledge living things that are important to them and usually consider they have a spirit that they wish to appease.

Yes but it’s myth-making for human benefit, not respect for living things as they really are.

Remember all the megafauna hunted to extinction by the early tribes? I’m sure these people had lots of charming, empathic stories about how the big fellows came to be so slow and easy to catch.

There are many examples of surviving hunter/gathering communities that did not just going killing things like we did with the American Bison, but regarded their spirit most highly and thanked them for suppling their bodies for the needs of their community. Their lives depended on the bison and they held them in very high regard. We go down to the supermarket and get what we need without any thought about the animals that gave their lives for us to eat. Our entire way of life is so divorced from reality that we place ourselves above nature and of its concerns. It is us who are at fault, not the people who lived off the land and came to understand and respect the things that lived there too.

Divine Angel said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Yes we are good at that, we know a lot about respect for life.

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

You can learn a lot of things from the flowers, especially in the month of June.
https://youtu.be/g0lbfEb8MMk

I don’t remember that scene in the book.

transition said:

>OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.
Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms

i’m not sure about that above, I think we’re going to have to maybe argue this one out, consider a few dumber possibilities

maybe starting with why do people talk to themselves

when a child animates their teddy bear, or anything else, are they not developing reflective mental tools that incline awareness of what their mind injects into representations of the world, some theory of mind that tends to monitor anthropomorphic errors and more

and how is me talking to a plant much different to a whatever plant flowering, both are express structure, or structure expressed

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

Bubblecar said:

Someone who thinks talking to flowers is of benefit to the flowers is not someone who is interested in the real nature of such organisms, so I would question whether they really have much respect for them.

You can learn a lot of things from the flowers, especially in the month of June.
https://youtu.be/g0lbfEb8MMk

I don’t remember that scene in the book.

https://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/resources/chapters-script/through-the-looking-glass/chapter-2/

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Hunter/gatherers respect and acknowledge living things that are important to them and usually consider they have a spirit that they wish to appease.

Yes but it’s myth-making for human benefit, not respect for living things as they really are.

Remember all the megafauna hunted to extinction by the early tribes? I’m sure these people had lots of charming, empathic stories about how the big fellows came to be so slow and easy to catch.

There are many examples of surviving hunter/gathering communities that did not just going killing things like we did with the American Bison, but regarded their spirit most highly and thanked them for suppling their bodies for the needs of their community. Their lives depended on the bison and they held them in very high regard. We go down to the supermarket and get what we need without any thought about the animals that gave their lives for us to eat. Our entire way of life is so divorced from reality that we place ourselves above nature and of its concerns. It is us who are at fault, not the people who lived off the land and came to understand and respect the things that lived there too.

For the future though, we don’t need to thank non-existent anthropomorphic animal spirits for “supplying their bodies” blah blah blah.

As I said, we need a human ethics that applies to human behaviour in the context of the real world, accurately modelled.

Divine Angel said:

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

You can learn a lot of things from the flowers, especially in the month of June.
https://youtu.be/g0lbfEb8MMk

I don’t remember that scene in the book.

https://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/resources/chapters-script/through-the-looking-glass/chapter-2/

There you are then. I’ll have to read it again some day (after clearing my mighty backlog of half-read books).

Time for a shower, then some music composition. Or maybe the other way round.

dv said:

I relate to this.

transition said:

transition said:

>OTOH, that approach can be described as old-fashioned anthropomorphism, a highly inaccurate modelling of the nature of the world that can also be seen as a kind of human cognitive imperialism.
Addressing flowers as if they possess human cognition denies them their own integrity as organisms

i’m not sure about that above, I think we’re going to have to maybe argue this one out, consider a few dumber possibilities

maybe starting with why do people talk to themselves

when a child animates their teddy bear, or anything else, are they not developing reflective mental tools that incline awareness of what their mind injects into representations of the world, some theory of mind that tends to monitor anthropomorphic errors and more

and how is me talking to a plant much different to a whatever plant flowering, both are express structure, or structure expressed

a lot of internal stuff is a running study of the bullshit, bullshit generated by minds, but the thing is a person sort of benefits from keeping it enjoyable, playful even

dv said:

woooooosh

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

What can go wrong?

I’ve got a proper grooving tool here, so I can groove racing slick tyres into wet weather tyres. It’s got a heated cutting loop, to help it carve through the soft rubber.
That being said, I’ve found the best way to deal with wet weather in my various racing cars is to not go out in the wet. Bad things happen.

Same. I was taught (and ‘licensed’, whatever that meant) to regroove truck tyres. Came in handy when we couldn’t find 14” 4WD tyres for the L-series Subaru, so I bought a set of light truck tyres and regrooved them for mud / sand.

sibeen said:

dv said:

woooooosh

You too?

buffy said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

woooooosh

You too?

+1

Episode 2 of Wild bill was also quite OK. We shall continue at one episode per evening. There aren’t that many of them (only 6, according to Wikipedia). Need to make them last.

It’s not funny in itself but I throw that card down when someone pulls a sick burn.

JudgeMental said:

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t regard indigenous anthropomorphism as being “more respectful” than the exploitive attitudes of later, more efficient technologies, because the latter grew out of the former, which was really just as centrally concerned with human benefit.

We need a human ethics that applies to human behaviour in the context of the real world, accurately modelled.

We need to see living things as individuals and respect them as such. To acknowledge them so, is to place them on a level of our understanding and something of worth.

Yes, but I think Bubblecar is right that you cannot subscribe human values onto plants or animals which have their own set of living criteria different to ours, but the value of life should be acknowledged, it would be good not to see humans killing birds or animals for no reason. People need to respect all life.

I simply disagree that this ascribing of human values is the way around that you both seem to be seeing.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

I think I’d probably break contact with him

buffy said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

woooooosh

You too?

and me.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

feynman does enjoy both. the “artistic” beauty and his “deeper” beauty. it is the artist who sees only one beauty.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

:)

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe…

I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

Wonder if it is old enough yet?

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

roughbarked said:

Wonder if it is old enough yet?

I’d have a go at it, but Sibeen reckons Grenache is a weed, so he won’t want any.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

I’m an artist and recognise my artistic perception of the world as subjective – the whole point of art for me is to interpret the world through my imagination and expressions thereof.

I rely on science to provide a demonstrably accurate modelling of the world, which I also greatly appreciate.

roughbarked said:

Wonder if it is old enough yet?

The watch is older.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

I’m an artist and recognise my artistic perception of the world as subjective – the whole point of art for me is to interpret the world through my imagination and expressions thereof.

I rely on science to provide a demonstrably accurate modelling of the world, which I also greatly appreciate.

Surely also, art is a lot about accuracy even when the watches melt.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

I’m an artist and recognise my artistic perception of the world as subjective – the whole point of art for me is to interpret the world through my imagination and expressions thereof.

I rely on science to provide a demonstrably accurate modelling of the world, which I also greatly appreciate.

But would you really appreciate what a scientist thinks, or are you just appreciating what they have achieved?

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

I’m an artist and recognise my artistic perception of the world as subjective – the whole point of art for me is to interpret the world through my imagination and expressions thereof.

I rely on science to provide a demonstrably accurate modelling of the world, which I also greatly appreciate.

Surely also, art is a lot about accuracy even when the watches melt.

Not really. Just effectively portraying whatever it is you want to portray.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

I’m an artist and recognise my artistic perception of the world as subjective – the whole point of art for me is to interpret the world through my imagination and expressions thereof.

I rely on science to provide a demonstrably accurate modelling of the world, which I also greatly appreciate.

I’m not into fairies. (But I hae thought there should be an elective unit about them in a Fine Arts degree.)

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Wonder if it is old enough yet?

I’d have a go at it, but Sibeen reckons Grenache is a weed, so he won’t want any.

I don’t know about it being a weed but it sure is a heavy cropper. I like a grenache wine.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

I’m an artist and recognise my artistic perception of the world as subjective – the whole point of art for me is to interpret the world through my imagination and expressions thereof.

I rely on science to provide a demonstrably accurate modelling of the world, which I also greatly appreciate.

But would you really appreciate what a scientist thinks, or are you just appreciating what they have achieved?

Of course I can, we’re not separate species. I could have become a scientist myself and planned to do so as a child, but eventually it seemed like too much hard work :)

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Wonder if it is old enough yet?

I’d have a go at it, but Sibeen reckons Grenache is a weed, so he won’t want any.

Correct, and I don’t like port anyway.

JudgeMental said:

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Wonder if it is old enough yet?

I’d have a go at it, but Sibeen reckons Grenache is a weed, so he won’t want any.

I don’t know about it being a weed but it sure is a heavy cropper. I like a grenache wine.

What is a heavy cropper if not an obese jockey?

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

What makes an artist an artist and what makes a scientist a scientist, would in most instances be very different although both would have some appreciation of the other. So I would say they would not fully appreciate what the other sees in the flower. Appreciation is a highly subjective matter.

I’m an artist and recognise my artistic perception of the world as subjective – the whole point of art for me is to interpret the world through my imagination and expressions thereof.

I rely on science to provide a demonstrably accurate modelling of the world, which I also greatly appreciate.

I’m not into fairies. (But I hae thought there should be an elective unit about them in a Fine Arts degree.)

My fairies are purely symbolic :)

JudgeMental said:

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Wonder if it is old enough yet?

I’d have a go at it, but Sibeen reckons Grenache is a weed, so he won’t want any.

I don’t know about it being a weed but it sure is a heavy cropper. I like a grenache wine.

They were good to pick. Could make money on those.

Rule 303 said:

JudgeMental said:

Rule 303 said:

I’d have a go at it, but Sibeen reckons Grenache is a weed, so he won’t want any.

I don’t know about it being a weed but it sure is a heavy cropper. I like a grenache wine.

What is a heavy cropper if not an obese jockey?

Wait, is it the bloke the hippies talk about at the market, Big Farmer?

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

Rule 303 said:

I’d have a go at it, but Sibeen reckons Grenache is a weed, so he won’t want any.

I don’t know about it being a weed but it sure is a heavy cropper. I like a grenache wine.

They were good to pick. Could make money on those.

always got an hourly rate when I picked.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I don’t know about it being a weed but it sure is a heavy cropper. I like a grenache wine.

They were good to pick. Could make money on those.

always got an hourly rate when I picked.

I always was paid per tonne.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

They were good to pick. Could make money on those.

always got an hourly rate when I picked.

I always was paid per tonne.

how much per tonne?

https://god.dailydot.com/roger-stone-dancing-cpac/

Lol… Roger Stone dancing

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

always got an hourly rate when I picked.

I always was paid per tonne.

how much per tonne?

in those days, $60.

dv said:

https://god.dailydot.com/roger-stone-dancing-cpac/

Lol… Roger Stone dancing

dare I ask?

Rule 303 said:

Rule 303 said:

JudgeMental said:

I don’t know about it being a weed but it sure is a heavy cropper. I like a grenache wine.

What is a heavy cropper if not an obese jockey?

Wait, is it the bloke the hippies talk about at the market, Big Farmer?

A huge farmer on the world scale, yair.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

I always was paid per tonne.

how much per tonne?

in those days, $60.

bloody hell, how long ago was this?

I got $20 per hour, plus perks cos I knew the growers. small vineyards so the whole pick was only 2-3 tonne between maybe 6 pickers. 3-4 hrs work. select pick usually. then I’d go on the crusher when we had a few crates ready.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

how much per tonne?

in those days, $60.

bloody hell, how long ago was this?

I got $20 per hour, plus perks cos I knew the growers. small vineyards so the whole pick was only 2-3 tonne between maybe 6 pickers. 3-4 hrs work. select pick usually. then I’d go on the crusher when we had a few crates ready.

1975.

Evening All

Sitting by candlelight this evening, as most of Cairns is without power after our cyclonic storm today. Actually the power is out all the way to Innisfail, an hour away.

Having a power pack is handy, my phone and watch are fully charged however the computer died half way through my second movie 😫

Spider Lily said:

Evening All

Sitting by candlelight this evening, as most of Cairns is without power after our cyclonic storm today. Actually the power is out all the way to Innisfail, an hour away.

Having a power pack is handy, my phone and watch are fully charged however the computer died half way through my second movie 😫

A generator is a useful item.

Um, what?

Divine Angel said:

Um, what?

It least they’re referencing current events.

Divine Angel said:

Um, what?

yeah, we are in a pretty unique stage of universe evolution. in the future the cmbr will be to cold to measure. no external galaxies will be visible and if astronomers write about the universe there will be no reference to a BB. we4’ll have a completely different cosmology.

https://youtu.be/6PvgJI6cvh8

Colin Baker with a minor role in Star Trek Continues: The White Iris

roughbarked said:

dv said:

https://god.dailydot.com/roger-stone-dancing-cpac/

Lol… Roger Stone dancing

dare I ask?

It’s not good

Spider Lily said:

Evening All

Sitting by candlelight this evening, as most of Cairns is without power after our cyclonic storm today. Actually the power is out all the way to Innisfail, an hour away.

Having a power pack is handy, my phone and watch are fully charged however the computer died half way through my second movie 😫

Oh well, candlelight can be atmospheric :)

I think Tamb’s in Cairns but I imagine the medical facilities would have their own power supply.

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Um, what?

yeah, we are in a pretty unique stage of universe evolution. in the future the cmbr will be to cold to measure. no external galaxies will be visible and if astronomers write about the universe there will be no reference to a BB. we4’ll have a completely different cosmology.

At least Covid-19 will be dead.

roughbarked said:

A generator is a useful item.

True.. but for the amount of times I would use one it wouldn’t be worth it. They also have a time limit, 10pm I believe.. if the power isn’t back on by morning and I doubt it will be, I will transfer what food I do have from the fridge to the esky. At this time of the year I always have ice blocks and frozen bottles of water in the freezer..

Haven’t had a power outage like this since 2013..

Divine Angel said:

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

Um, what?

yeah, we are in a pretty unique stage of universe evolution. in the future the cmbr will be to cold to measure. no external galaxies will be visible and if astronomers write about the universe there will be no reference to a BB. we4’ll have a completely different cosmology.

At least Covid-19 will be dead.

covid 9000

JudgeMental said:

Divine Angel said:

JudgeMental said:

yeah, we are in a pretty unique stage of universe evolution. in the future the cmbr will be to cold to measure. no external galaxies will be visible and if astronomers write about the universe there will be no reference to a BB. we4’ll have a completely different cosmology.

At least Covid-19 will be dead.

covid 9000

…the Andromeda Strain

Bubblecar said:

Having a power pack is handy, my phone and watch are fully charged however the computer died half way through my second movie 😫

Oh well, candlelight can be atmospheric :)

I think Tamb’s in Cairns but I imagine the medical facilities would have their own power supply.

Yes.. the city centre is on the hospital grid. I worked all day and couldn’t believe the amount of customers out and about in the middle of it all..

Spider Lily said:

Bubblecar said:

Having a power pack is handy, my phone and watch are fully charged however the computer died half way through my second movie 😫

Oh well, candlelight can be atmospheric :)

I think Tamb’s in Cairns but I imagine the medical facilities would have their own power supply.

Yes.. the city centre is on the hospital grid. I worked all day and couldn’t believe the amount of customers out and about in the middle of it all..

As of 3:00pm, more than 40,000 homes were without power.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Um, what?

It least they’re referencing current events.

trying to be humorous.

22.3°C

Relative Humidity
33%

roughbarked said:

Spider Lily said:

Bubblecar said:

Having a power pack is handy, my phone and watch are fully charged however the computer died half way through my second movie 😫

Oh well, candlelight can be atmospheric :)

I think Tamb’s in Cairns but I imagine the medical facilities would have their own power supply.

Yes.. the city centre is on the hospital grid. I worked all day and couldn’t believe the amount of customers out and about in the middle of it all..

As of 3:00pm, more than 40,000 homes were without power.

that’s nearly all of them innit?

I hope things normalise soon Spider Lily.

Rainy and cold here.

crumpets shortly with vegemite on, coffee landed

dv said:

https://youtu.be/6PvgJI6cvh8

Colin Baker with a minor role in Star Trek Continues: The White Iris

It’s no Bayban The Butcher,,,

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/01/university-of-tasmania-clears-scientists-accused-of-research-misconduct-by-logging-industry

Jesus but they are dragging this under investigation show out … typical Liz Hayes drivel.

Arts said:

Jesus but they are dragging this under investigation show out … typical Liz Hayes drivel.

You could turn it off.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Jesus but they are dragging this under investigation show out … typical Liz Hayes drivel.

You could turn it off.

Yes.. or I could distract myself with here

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Jesus but they are dragging this under investigation show out … typical Liz Hayes drivel.

You could turn it off.

Yes.. or I could distract myself with here

Hello.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

You could turn it off.

Yes.. or I could distract myself with here

Hello.

How’s the puppy and the grandkids?

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Jesus but they are dragging this under investigation show out … typical Liz Hayes drivel.

You could turn it off.

Yes.. or I could distract myself with here

I could ignore you out of spite.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

You could turn it off.

Yes.. or I could distract myself with here

I could ignore you out of spite.

What else is new?

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

Yes.. or I could distract myself with here

I could ignore you out of spite.

What else is new?

kicks dirt

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

Yes.. or I could distract myself with here

Hello.

How’s the puppy and the grandkids?

I have been scolding the puppy. Cobbett hides and shakes. It’s very sad. (Tonight the puppy went out with Cobbett spent ten mnutes outside and then run in pissed in the middle of the living room.) Upsides..does come when called, can sit, and knows what ‘go to your bed’ means.)

I think the grandkids are good.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Hello.

How’s the puppy and the grandkids?

I have been scolding the puppy. Cobbett hides and shakes. It’s very sad. (Tonight the puppy went out with Cobbett spent ten mnutes outside and then run in pissed in the middle of the living room.) Upsides..does come when called, can sit, and knows what ‘go to your bed’ means.)

I think the grandkids are good.

They certainly look good and healthy and grown! cobbett is probably wondering why mum has an angry voice. Hopefully both the puppy and no Lully have bonded.

The Lamar Valley: Pronghorns
Prior to European settlement in the west, the pronghorn population reached approximately 35 million. Habitat depletion, hunting, and other harmful activities decimated its population to less than 500 in 2016.

PermeateFree said:

The Lamar Valley: Pronghorns
Prior to European settlement in the west, the pronghorn population reached approximately 35 million. Habitat depletion, hunting, and other harmful activities decimated its population to less than 500 in 2016.

beautiful looking creature, nice photo too

Good morning Holidayers. Five degrees, clear sky, getting light. Our forecast for today is for a partly cloudy 18 degrees.

Breakfast at the bakery with Hamilton friend shortly. I have ordered a pie for breakfast this morning.

Morning. 22 degrees.
Tuesday
Sunny. Winds S/SW 20 to 30 km/h. Daytime maximum temperatures in the mid to high 20s.

roughbarked said:

Morning. 22 degrees.
Tuesday
Sunny. Winds S/SW 20 to 30 km/h. Daytime maximum temperatures in the mid to high 20s.

sorry ..12 degrees.

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

You are correct. It cannot subtract.

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

But was he a real friend or an imaginary friend?

Divine Angel said:

Um, what?

I think the author is stretching the science to make a little joke.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why they can’t each enjoy the aspects that appeal them them. Win, win.

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

But was he a real friend or an imaginary friend?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/inner-monologue-mental-health-not-everyone-talks-to-themself/11931410

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I agree with the Feynman quote above, and it reinforces my other posts.

But was he a real friend or an imaginary friend?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/inner-monologue-mental-health-not-everyone-talks-to-themself/11931410

Looks interesting, will have a proper read later.

I do wonder how much of the difference in descriptions of the “inner voice” is people describing the same thing in different ways.

Good morning everyone.

My instrument shows that it’s 22.5°C and 91% RH.

My eyes indicate that it’s partly cloudy, calm and fine. Earlier it was overcast.

BoM tells me expect a top of 30°C and that there’s very little risk of rain.

The cyclone has formed up Tamb’s way, so I expect he’s getting lots of rain. Looks like there’s a severe cyclone well off the WA coast also – there’s a lot of structure visible in the satellite image.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But was he a real friend or an imaginary friend?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/inner-monologue-mental-health-not-everyone-talks-to-themself/11931410

Looks interesting, will have a proper read later.

I do wonder how much of the difference in descriptions of the “inner voice” is people describing the same thing in different ways.

Oh yes. There is a lot to wonder about.

Michael V said:

Good morning everyone.

My instrument shows that it’s 22.5°C and 91% RH.

My eyes indicate that it’s partly cloudy, calm and fine. Earlier it was overcast.

BoM tells me expect a top of 30°C and that there’s very little risk of rain.

The cyclone has formed up Tamb’s way, so I expect he’s getting lots of rain. Looks like there’s a severe cyclone well off the WA coast also – there’s a lot of structure visible in the satellite image.

Hopefully at least one of these cyclonic rain makers sends some my way.

Michael V said:

Good morning everyone.

My instrument shows that it’s 22.5°C and 91% RH.

My eyes indicate that it’s partly cloudy, calm and fine. Earlier it was overcast.

BoM tells me expect a top of 30°C and that there’s very little risk of rain.

The cyclone has formed up Tamb’s way, so I expect he’s getting lots of rain. Looks like there’s a severe cyclone well off the WA coast also – there’s a lot of structure visible in the satellite image.

Late shower and/or storm this arvo.

Yesterday the forecast was “mostly sunny” but it was overcast all day. Also near zero chance of rain yesterday but it rained during school drop off (of course it did).

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But was he a real friend or an imaginary friend?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/inner-monologue-mental-health-not-everyone-talks-to-themself/11931410

Looks interesting, will have a proper read later.

I do wonder how much of the difference in descriptions of the “inner voice” is people describing the same thing in different ways.

If you read that, read this as well. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/your-inner-voice-problem-solving-thoughts-and-emotional-chatter/13197356

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Good morning everyone.

My instrument shows that it’s 22.5°C and 91% RH.

My eyes indicate that it’s partly cloudy, calm and fine. Earlier it was overcast.

BoM tells me expect a top of 30°C and that there’s very little risk of rain.

The cyclone has formed up Tamb’s way, so I expect he’s getting lots of rain. Looks like there’s a severe cyclone well off the WA coast also – there’s a lot of structure visible in the satellite image.

Hopefully at least one of these cyclonic rain makers sends some my way.

You might have to change positions to have that happen reliably.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Good morning everyone.

My instrument shows that it’s 22.5°C and 91% RH.

My eyes indicate that it’s partly cloudy, calm and fine. Earlier it was overcast.

BoM tells me expect a top of 30°C and that there’s very little risk of rain.

The cyclone has formed up Tamb’s way, so I expect he’s getting lots of rain. Looks like there’s a severe cyclone well off the WA coast also – there’s a lot of structure visible in the satellite image.

Hopefully at least one of these cyclonic rain makers sends some my way.

You might have to change positions to have that happen reliably.

I’m determined not to die here, having spent most of my life here it is probably time I got out more.
Seeing that rainfall is becoming less reliable here, it is well past time for relocating.
However, I do prefer the drier climate to the tick infested and overpopulated coastal regions.

roughbarked said:

Not just thrupence, not sixpence, but sevenpence in the treasury.

I hope they spent it wisely.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Not just thrupence, not sixpence, but sevenpence in the treasury.

I hope they spent it wisely.

:)

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Hopefully at least one of these cyclonic rain makers sends some my way.

You might have to change positions to have that happen reliably.

I’m determined not to die here, having spent most of my life here it is probably time I got out more.
Seeing that rainfall is becoming less reliable here, it is well past time for relocating.
However, I do prefer the drier climate to the tick infested and overpopulated coastal regions.

No ticks nor permanent overpopulation here.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

You might have to change positions to have that happen reliably.

I’m determined not to die here, having spent most of my life here it is probably time I got out more.
Seeing that rainfall is becoming less reliable here, it is well past time for relocating.
However, I do prefer the drier climate to the tick infested and overpopulated coastal regions.

No ticks nor permanent overpopulation here.

That’s why I have been reading about places near you. ;)

I’ve saved up sevenpence and thinking of taking over Qld. Maybe I’ll need eightpence though.

Five strikes and you’re out: Twitter clamps down on COVID-19 misinformation.

> Whatever was wrong with two yellow cards then the red?

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

I’m determined not to die here, having spent most of my life here it is probably time I got out more.
Seeing that rainfall is becoming less reliable here, it is well past time for relocating.
However, I do prefer the drier climate to the tick infested and overpopulated coastal regions.

No ticks nor permanent overpopulation here.

That’s why I have been reading about places near you. ;)

I’ve saved up sevenpence and thinking of taking over Qld. Maybe I’ll need eightpence though.

We have enough of you filthy-rich types here already, thanks.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

I’m determined not to die here, having spent most of my life here it is probably time I got out more.
Seeing that rainfall is becoming less reliable here, it is well past time for relocating.
However, I do prefer the drier climate to the tick infested and overpopulated coastal regions.

No ticks nor permanent overpopulation here.

That’s why I have been reading about places near you. ;)

I’ve saved up sevenpence and thinking of taking over Qld. Maybe I’ll need eightpence though.

I don’t think you have factored in inflation.

Ninepence, at least.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

No ticks nor permanent overpopulation here.

That’s why I have been reading about places near you. ;)

I’ve saved up sevenpence and thinking of taking over Qld. Maybe I’ll need eightpence though.

We have enough of you filthy-rich types here already, thanks.

I’ve always been filthy. A gardener doesn’t actually have green thumbs. They are usually brown to black.
Rich? I did say sevenpence. ;)

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

No ticks nor permanent overpopulation here.

That’s why I have been reading about places near you. ;)

I’ve saved up sevenpence and thinking of taking over Qld. Maybe I’ll need eightpence though.

I don’t think you have factored in inflation.

Ninepence, at least.

;)

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

I’m determined not to die here, having spent most of my life here it is probably time I got out more.
Seeing that rainfall is becoming less reliable here, it is well past time for relocating.
However, I do prefer the drier climate to the tick infested and overpopulated coastal regions.

No ticks nor permanent overpopulation here.

That’s why I have been reading about places near you. ;)

I’ve saved up sevenpence and thinking of taking over Qld. Maybe I’ll need eightpence though.

You might need another Gympie gold field. That’s what saved Qld.