Date: 2/03/2021 14:57:37
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1704719
Subject: Virus vaccines

(Leaving this here so I can find it later.)

The school just emailed to say there have been confirmed cases of hand, foot & mouth within the school, watch out for symptoms, keep kids at home if they’re symptomatic etc.

The attached factsheet mentions “rare” cases of complications eg meningitis. My quick Google didn’t bring up a % of cases although I found a Korean study in which 54% of those studied developed complications. (I’ve only skimmed the article, about to do school pickup.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546090/#idm139880158417392title

Take chickenpox, which now has a vaccine, and it’s 1% of cases developing complications (shingles is not considered a complication).

Maybe chickenpox is easier to develop a vaccine for, maybe it’s better to prevent both chickenpox and shingles. Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine for HFMD?

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Date: 2/03/2021 15:10:42
From: Michael V
ID: 1704739
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Divine Angel said:


(Leaving this here so I can find it later.)

The school just emailed to say there have been confirmed cases of hand, foot & mouth within the school, watch out for symptoms, keep kids at home if they’re symptomatic etc.

The attached factsheet mentions “rare” cases of complications eg meningitis. My quick Google didn’t bring up a % of cases although I found a Korean study in which 54% of those studied developed complications. (I’ve only skimmed the article, about to do school pickup.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546090/#idm139880158417392title

Take chickenpox, which now has a vaccine, and it’s 1% of cases developing complications (shingles is not considered a complication).

Maybe chickenpox is easier to develop a vaccine for, maybe it’s better to prevent both chickenpox and shingles. Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine for HFMD?

Seems to be two things:

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Date: 2/03/2021 15:15:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704742
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Michael V said:


Divine Angel said:

(Leaving this here so I can find it later.)

The school just emailed to say there have been confirmed cases of hand, foot & mouth within the school, watch out for symptoms, keep kids at home if they’re symptomatic etc.

The attached factsheet mentions “rare” cases of complications eg meningitis. My quick Google didn’t bring up a % of cases although I found a Korean study in which 54% of those studied developed complications. (I’ve only skimmed the article, about to do school pickup.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546090/#idm139880158417392title

Take chickenpox, which now has a vaccine, and it’s 1% of cases developing complications (shingles is not considered a complication).

Maybe chickenpox is easier to develop a vaccine for, maybe it’s better to prevent both chickenpox and shingles. Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine for HFMD?

Seems to be two things:

  • It’s mostly a mild disease (and not a notifiable disease either).
  • It’s caused by any one of several viruses. (A bit like the common cold is caused by any one of several viruses.)

As per general instructions; Prefereably avoid contact or wash hands after contact.

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Date: 2/03/2021 15:31:27
From: buffy
ID: 1704753
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

There seems to be some work being done on a vaccine.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(19)30185-3/fulltext

“Effectiveness of EV-A71 vaccination in prevention of paediatric hand, foot, and mouth disease associated with EV-A71 virus infection requiring hospitalisation in Henan, China, 2017–18: a test-negative case-control study”

But apparently not yet generally available according to most Australian health department websites.

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Date: 2/03/2021 15:55:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1704782
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Divine Angel said:

Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine

politics

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Date: 2/03/2021 15:58:33
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704785
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

SCIENCE said:


Divine Angel said:
Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine

politics

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

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Date: 2/03/2021 15:59:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704787
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:
Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine

politics

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Not yet.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:02:46
From: Tamb
ID: 1704791
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

politics

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Not yet.


Or in real terms Nyet.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:02:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1704792
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:
Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine

politics

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Sure, it’s beautiful up there, just sign here.
Good good, I’d take a book….oh and a jumper.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:05:16
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704793
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Do Proud Boys have similar intentions to Sonnenkrieg Division?

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:06:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1704795
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

politics

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:06:27
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704796
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Tau.Neutrino said:


Do Proud Boys have similar intentions to Sonnenkrieg Division?

Opps wrong thread, no vaccines could cure them, opps cant say that either.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:08:17
From: Tamb
ID: 1704797
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.


Metric or Imperial?

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:09:59
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704798
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

Well Id make cannabis legal.

While sexism, racism, gender grooming, gender discrimination, any nazi or right wing extremist group can all be made illegal.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:10:27
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1704799
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

opps wrong thread.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:10:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1704800
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Tamb said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.


Metric or Imperial?

You tryin’ to start a war or sump’n?

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:13:09
From: Tamb
ID: 1704801
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

captain_spalding said:


Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.


Metric or Imperial?

You tryin’ to start a war or sump’n?


Give ‘em an inch!

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:18:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704805
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

Fair point.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:18:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1704806
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Preventing a vaccine is criminal too.

geez I want off this planet.

Is it possible to grow cannabis on Mars.?

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

Human nature might win out but perhaps instead the fact cooperation ensures a higher chance of survival so no one acts like a dick as it could mean death

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:20:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1704809
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

Human nature might win out but perhaps instead the fact cooperation ensures a higher chance of survival so no one acts like a dick as it could mean death

Anyway, you’ve only got so much air to share. What if the others didn’t smoke?

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:23:50
From: Tamb
ID: 1704811
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Not yet.

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

Human nature might win out but perhaps instead the fact cooperation ensures a higher chance of survival so no one acts like a dick as it could mean death


Didn’t seem to work with masks and jabs.

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:27:51
From: Cymek
ID: 1704812
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Tamb said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

Human nature might win out but perhaps instead the fact cooperation ensures a higher chance of survival so no one acts like a dick as it could mean death


Didn’t seem to work with masks and jabs.

True

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:29:14
From: Ian
ID: 1704813
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:30:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1704814
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Cymek said:


Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Human nature might win out but perhaps instead the fact cooperation ensures a higher chance of survival so no one acts like a dick as it could mean death


Didn’t seem to work with masks and jabs.

True

there’s always freeloaders

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:30:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1704815
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Raises interesting questions about framing a legal code for Mars.

Let’s face it: ain’t no-one ever coming back from there. There’ll never be a case to answer back here on Earth. This planet’s laws and rules can go an get roundly and soundly.

So, they can start from scratch about what’s legal and what’s not.

Human nature might win out but perhaps instead the fact cooperation ensures a higher chance of survival so no one acts like a dick as it could mean death

Anyway, you’ve only got so much air to share. What if the others didn’t smoke?

That’s the beauty of growing your own, it’s not just carbon neutral, it’s oxygen neutral ¡

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Date: 2/03/2021 16:31:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1704816
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Ian said:



If only people would stop at licking the wild animals…

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:11:14
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1705153
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Divine Angel said:


(Leaving this here so I can find it later.)

The school just emailed to say there have been confirmed cases of hand, foot & mouth within the school, watch out for symptoms, keep kids at home if they’re symptomatic etc.

The attached factsheet mentions “rare” cases of complications eg meningitis. My quick Google didn’t bring up a % of cases although I found a Korean study in which 54% of those studied developed complications. (I’ve only skimmed the article, about to do school pickup.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546090/#idm139880158417392title

Take chickenpox, which now has a vaccine, and it’s 1% of cases developing complications (shingles is not considered a complication).

Maybe chickenpox is easier to develop a vaccine for, maybe it’s better to prevent both chickenpox and shingles. Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine for HFMD?

OK, let’s see what the linked technical article says.

> In 2009, the first outbreak of hand, foot and mouth disease (HFMD) caused by enterovirus 71 occurred in the Republic of Korea.

> One hundred sixty-eight patients were examined for this investigation. Eighty patients were without complications while 88 were accompanied by complications, and 2 had expired.

Hold on, did they deliberately sdelect patients with complications, rather than select HFMD cases at random?

> Hand, foot and mouth disease (HFMD) is a common acute viral illness with fever, oral ulcers, and vesicular rashes on the hands, feet and buttock as characteristics features. HFMD occurs most frequently by coxsackievirus A16, and is caused by various enteroviruses including enterovirus 71. Herpangina (HP) has characteristics of having fever and oral ulcers without skin rash, and is developed by various enteroviruses likewise HFMD. HFMD or HP is generally known as a self-limiting disease that shows a mild clinical course. However, enterovirus 71-induced HFMD or HP may often show a severe clinical course, accompanied by neurologic complications, and may lead to death.

A bit confusing. Are they saying that enterovirus 71 is rarely the cause of HFMD? With the most common cause being coxsackievirus A16. Yes, that seems to be the case.

> Two study results were already reported on the ROK’s epidemic in 2009. Nevertheless, these studies utilized merely the data entered into the Nationwide Enterovirus Sentinel Surveillance System and did not include detailed medical records review on each case. Thus, this study sought risk factors associated with complications after examined the clinical features and laboratory findings though the medical records of patients admitted to the hospital with HFMD or HP confirmed for etiologic viruses, which were endemic in the ROK in 2009.

OK, as expected. Cases of HFMD that did not make it to hospital are excluded from the study. Compare chickenpox, most cases of chickenpox do not make it to hospital, and so the percentage of chickenpox cases that did make it to hospital would have a much higher than 1% rate of complications.

> Aside from $$, what could be preventing a vaccine for HFMD?

The legal principles of “guilty until proved innocent” and “no release on bail” applied to vaccines are guiltiy of killing millions of people.
Add that to the research principle of no more than 10 people working directly on each vaccine.

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:21:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705162
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

In all my summers I’ve never heard of coxsackievirus A16.

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:26:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705164
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Peak Warming Man said:


In all my summers I’ve never heard of coxsackievirus A16.

Thank goodness for that.

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Date: 3/03/2021 11:27:14
From: Cymek
ID: 1705165
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

In all my summers I’ve never heard of coxsackievirus A16.

Thank goodness for that.

Old man virus due to dangling on contaminated surfaces

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:15:40
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705185
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Michael V said:

Seems to be two things:

  • It’s mostly a mild disease (and not a notifiable disease either).
  • It’s caused by any one of several viruses. (A bit like the common cold is caused by any one of several viruses.)

Oh right, forgot I started the thread.

Chickenpox and measles are “mostly mild” too. Both have vaccines. HFMD seems to be less annoying than those, and I don’t know the % of cases of any of them which become serious complications.

I forgot HFMD is a collection of viruses. Mostly what I read was about the coxsackievirus.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:17:00
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705186
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

buffy said:


There seems to be some work being done on a vaccine.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(19)30185-3/fulltext

“Effectiveness of EV-A71 vaccination in prevention of paediatric hand, foot, and mouth disease associated with EV-A71 virus infection requiring hospitalisation in Henan, China, 2017–18: a test-negative case-control study”

But apparently not yet generally available according to most Australian health department websites.

Excellent, another chance to autismise children :D

Mini Me’s daycare often had cases, but she never exhibited symptoms.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:17:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705188
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Divine Angel said:


Michael V said:

Seems to be two things:

  • It’s mostly a mild disease (and not a notifiable disease either).
  • It’s caused by any one of several viruses. (A bit like the common cold is caused by any one of several viruses.)

Oh right, forgot I started the thread.

Chickenpox and measles are “mostly mild” too. Both have vaccines. HFMD seems to be less annoying than those, and I don’t know the % of cases of any of them which become serious complications.

I forgot HFMD is a collection of viruses. Mostly what I read was about the coxsackievirus.

Mrs rb had shingles in her lungs.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:18:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705189
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Divine Angel said:


buffy said:

There seems to be some work being done on a vaccine.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(19)30185-3/fulltext

“Effectiveness of EV-A71 vaccination in prevention of paediatric hand, foot, and mouth disease associated with EV-A71 virus infection requiring hospitalisation in Henan, China, 2017–18: a test-negative case-control study”

But apparently not yet generally available according to most Australian health department websites.

Excellent, another chance to autismise children :D

Mini Me’s daycare often had cases, but she never exhibited symptoms.

Wash your hands,
too clean for Coxsackievirus

Blue Clinic….

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:19:05
From: Tamb
ID: 1705190
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Divine Angel said:


buffy said:

There seems to be some work being done on a vaccine.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(19)30185-3/fulltext

“Effectiveness of EV-A71 vaccination in prevention of paediatric hand, foot, and mouth disease associated with EV-A71 virus infection requiring hospitalisation in Henan, China, 2017–18: a test-negative case-control study”

But apparently not yet generally available according to most Australian health department websites.

Excellent, another chance to autismise children :D

Mini Me’s daycare often had cases, but she never exhibited symptoms.

Maybe she’s a carrier.

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:19:48
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1705192
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

roughbarked said:


Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Seems to be two things:

  • It’s mostly a mild disease (and not a notifiable disease either).
  • It’s caused by any one of several viruses. (A bit like the common cold is caused by any one of several viruses.)

Oh right, forgot I started the thread.

Chickenpox and measles are “mostly mild” too. Both have vaccines. HFMD seems to be less annoying than those, and I don’t know the % of cases of any of them which become serious complications.

I forgot HFMD is a collection of viruses. Mostly what I read was about the coxsackievirus.

Mrs rb had shingles in her lungs.

I did not know that was a thing :(

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Date: 3/03/2021 12:20:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1705195
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

Divine Angel said:


roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh right, forgot I started the thread.

Chickenpox and measles are “mostly mild” too. Both have vaccines. HFMD seems to be less annoying than those, and I don’t know the % of cases of any of them which become serious complications.

I forgot HFMD is a collection of viruses. Mostly what I read was about the coxsackievirus.

Mrs rb had shingles in her lungs.

I did not know that was a thing :(

Neither did I until it was diagnosed.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:12:14
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1705616
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

HFM spreads like wildfire in daycare

By the time you hear of it chances are YOU are already incubating it.

In my experience the child becomes sluggish, heartbeat soars to above 220 BPM, which is when you turn up at hospital, the hospital doesn’t know what’s causing it but brings the BPM. you see more children arriving whilst waiting bedside at 1am.

I got hit a few days later incredible lethargy could barely walk yet managed to do a day’s work.

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Date: 3/03/2021 21:20:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1705618
Subject: re: Virus vaccines

wookiemeister said:


HFM spreads like wildfire in daycare

By the time you hear of it chances are YOU are already incubating it.

In my experience the child becomes sluggish, heartbeat soars to above 220 BPM, which is when you turn up at hospital, the hospital doesn’t know what’s causing it but brings the BPM. you see more children arriving whilst waiting bedside at 1am.

I got hit a few days later incredible lethargy could barely walk yet managed to do a day’s work.

You’re a trooper.

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