Let’s start a new one with one of poik’s favourites! Meta analysis. In combination with Sebastian, what could be better?! (Don’t read the comments. Just don’t.)
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/04/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-lifesaving-or-useless/
>>(Don’t read the comments. Just don’t.)
Well that’s a rag to a red bull if ever I saw it.
buffy said:
Let’s start a new one with one of poik’s favourites! Meta analysis. In combination with Sebastian, what could be better?! (Don’t read the comments. Just don’t.)https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/04/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-lifesaving-or-useless/
Chloroquinine was used as a treatment for Covid in China at least as early as 30 Dec 2019. As part of generalised treatment regimen for pneumonia.
By mid to late January 2020 came the discovery (or claim) in China that hydroxychloroquinine was equally effective and had less side effects.
So it’s a bit late to be asking about it now.
note of course that even if quinine reduces COVID-19 mortality by 90% then 0.1% of your dudes will die but running elimination will reduce COVID-19 mortality by 100% for all 100% of population
SCIENCE said:
note of course that even if quinine reduces COVID-19 mortality by 90% then 0.1% of your dudes will die but running elimination will reduce COVID-19 mortality by 100% for all 100% of population
Is there a peak world projection?
Have we passed peak on covid19 or are the mutations going to confuse things?
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:note of course that even if quinine reduces COVID-19 mortality by 90% then 0.1% of your dudes will die but running elimination will reduce COVID-19 mortality by 100% for all 100% of population
Is there a peak world projection?
Have we passed peak on covid19 or are the mutations going to confuse things?
if IN / US keep the lid on then you’d hope the numbers can’t get that bad again
remembering that every “not that bad” comes with “could be worse” and we know where that leads
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:SCIENCE said:note of course that even if quinine reduces COVID-19 mortality by 90% then 0.1% of your dudes will die but running elimination will reduce COVID-19 mortality by 100% for all 100% of population
Is there a peak world projection?
Have we passed peak on covid19 or are the mutations going to confuse things?
if IN / US keep the lid on then you’d hope the numbers can’t get that bad again
remembering that every “not that bad” comes with “could be worse” and we know where that leads
for example
oooooooh
SCIENCE said:
another kind of festival
It is nice to see the children so involved in politics.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
another kind of festival
It is nice to see the children so involved in politics.
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
another kind of festival
It is nice to see the children so involved in politics.
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:It is nice to see the children so involved in politics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w59e20ijOpE
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w59e20ijOpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w59e20ijOpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
You, Sir, are a fucking sick man; and I don’t mean sick as in the very modern interpretation of the word, I mean it as diseased or pestilent.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Is there a peak world projection?
Have we passed peak on covid19 or are the mutations going to confuse things?
if IN / US keep the lid on then you’d hope the numbers can’t get that bad again
remembering that every “not that bad” comes with “could be worse” and we know where that leads
for example
Very strong reading of coronavirus from Adelaide festival
oooooooh
I see lock downs, lots of them.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:if IN / US keep the lid on then you’d hope the numbers can’t get that bad again
remembering that every “not that bad” comes with “could be worse” and we know where that leads
for example
Very strong reading of coronavirus from Adelaide festival
oooooooh
I see lock downs, lots of them.
Overseas jobs.
If you have immunity from Covid.
We have guard work for you.
Runs away.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:for example
Very strong reading of coronavirus from Adelaide festival
oooooooh
I see lock downs, lots of them.
Overseas jobs.
If you have immunity from Covid.
We have guard work for you.Runs away.
SA has guard work for you.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I see lock downs, lots of them.
Overseas jobs.
If you have immunity from Covid.
We have guard work for you.Runs away.
SA has guard work for you.
Australian guard jobs too, if you have COVID immunity.
Could be lots of people.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Overseas jobs.
If you have immunity from Covid.
We have guard work for you.Runs away.
SA has guard work for you.
Australian guard jobs too, if you have COVID immunity.
Could be lots of people.
New Jobs ^^^
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I see lock downs, lots of them.
Overseas jobs.
If you have immunity from Covid.
We have guard work for you.Runs away.
SA has guard work for you.
SA has guard work for you.
Points .
<.
imagine if people believed in eradication
Joe has got the daily deaths in the US to under a 1000 now.
Peak Warming Man said:
Joe has got the daily deaths in the US to under a 1000 now.
yeah, but what has he done for us lately?
SCIENCE said:
imagine if people believed in eradication
Very interesting article of an environment in the process of recovery (warms the heart). Future developments should be fascinating. Further details of this eradication of the rats along with the benefits in the following link:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/lord-howe-island-recovers-from-rat-infestation/13111770
Peak Warming Man said:
Joe has got the daily deaths in the US to under a 1000 now.
OMG, it’s true.
USA 7 day moving average (to take care of weekly cycle) 1,725 deaths per day.
USA Lowest point of the week, yesterday, 716 deaths.
USA Down from a peak of 7 day average peak of 3,400 deaths per day in the 2nd half of Jan.
I wouldn’t blame Joe for it though.
News from Brazil is bad
New cases.
New deaths
mollwollfumble said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Joe has got the daily deaths in the US to under a 1000 now.
OMG, it’s true.
USA 7 day moving average (to take care of weekly cycle) 1,725 deaths per day.
USA Lowest point of the week, yesterday, 716 deaths.
USA Down from a peak of 7 day average peak of 3,400 deaths per day in the 2nd half of Jan.I wouldn’t blame Joe for it though.
News from Brazil is bad
New cases.
New deaths
The death of old people is good for the economy, their wealth that is tied up in banks and property is liberated by their children as discretionary spending and helps the economy to grow.
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Joe has got the daily deaths in the US to under a 1000 now.
OMG, it’s true.
USA 7 day moving average (to take care of weekly cycle) 1,725 deaths per day.
USA Lowest point of the week, yesterday, 716 deaths.
USA Down from a peak of 7 day average peak of 3,400 deaths per day in the 2nd half of Jan.I wouldn’t blame Joe for it though.
News from Brazil is bad
New cases.
New deaths
The death of old people is good for the economy, their wealth that is tied up in banks and property is liberated by their children as discretionary spending and helps the economy to grow.
You offering?
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Joe has got the daily deaths in the US to under a 1000 now.
OMG, it’s true.
USA 7 day moving average (to take care of weekly cycle) 1,725 deaths per day.
USA Lowest point of the week, yesterday, 716 deaths.
USA Down from a peak of 7 day average peak of 3,400 deaths per day in the 2nd half of Jan.I wouldn’t blame Joe for it though.
News from Brazil is bad
New cases.
New deaths
The death of old people is good for the economy, their wealth that is tied up in banks and property is liberated by their children as discretionary spending and helps the economy to grow.
They can then buy fast cars, etc, kill themselves and the money will be recycled again. Known as a cadaver lead recovery.
PermeateFree said:
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:OMG, it’s true.
USA 7 day moving average (to take care of weekly cycle) 1,725 deaths per day.
USA Lowest point of the week, yesterday, 716 deaths.
USA Down from a peak of 7 day average peak of 3,400 deaths per day in the 2nd half of Jan.I wouldn’t blame Joe for it though.
News from Brazil is bad
New cases.
New deaths
The death of old people is good for the economy, their wealth that is tied up in banks and property is liberated by their children as discretionary spending and helps the economy to grow.
They can then buy fast cars, etc, kill themselves and the money will be recycled again. Known as a cadaver lead recovery.
I’ve spent a lot of time listening to ambulance black humour, and sometimes you lot are right up there with it…
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:
Peak Warming Man said:The death of old people is good for the economy, their wealth that is tied up in banks and property is liberated by their children as discretionary spending and helps the economy to grow.
They can then buy fast cars, etc, kill themselves and the money will be recycled again. Known as a cadaver lead recovery.
I’ve spent a lot of time listening to ambulance black humour, and sometimes you lot are right up there with it…
you should join in a criminologists casual conversation ..
Arts said:
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:They can then buy fast cars, etc, kill themselves and the money will be recycled again. Known as a cadaver lead recovery.
I’ve spent a lot of time listening to ambulance black humour, and sometimes you lot are right up there with it…
you should join in a criminologists casual conversation ..
Do you find you have to check yourself when in different company? My receptionist was also an ambulance wife. We could have roaring black humour going at morning tea and have to cut it out as soon as someone came in the door. I mentioned this to the vet the other day and she said they have something similar. She has found discussing anal glands at a dinner party is not appreciated…
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I’ve spent a lot of time listening to ambulance black humour, and sometimes you lot are right up there with it…
you should join in a criminologists casual conversation ..
Do you find you have to check yourself when in different company? My receptionist was also an ambulance wife. We could have roaring black humour going at morning tea and have to cut it out as soon as someone came in the door. I mentioned this to the vet the other day and she said they have something similar. She has found discussing anal glands at a dinner party is not appreciated…
we’re told they’re the tastiest part of chicken
Who let the bats out?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29190287/
poikilotherm said:
Who let the bats out?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29190287/
IIRC, I’ve read that before.
poikilotherm said:
Who let the bats out?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29190287/
Thanks poik. At least the short version is readable. Once you start getting into the gene sequences I find it really difficult to keep up with all the letters…
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:
Who let the bats out?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29190287/
IIRC, I’ve read that before.
It’s dated from Nov 2017, so possibly. But perhaps no-one was very interested then.
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.
Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
SCIENCE said:
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
SA Health says the reading is the strongest since the Parafield Cluster
But it could be the from people with COVID-19 in Adelaide medi-hotels
Authorities are urging anyone with symptoms to get tested
—
imagine evolutionarily enhanced variants with increased infectivity due to characteristics such as greater viral load and shedding
SCIENCE said:
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
Wouldn’t the two new cases be a pretty “clear explanation” for the “strong” result?
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
SA Health says the reading is the strongest since the Parafield Cluster
But it could be the from people with COVID-19 in Adelaide medi-hotels
Authorities are urging anyone with symptoms to get tested
—
imagine evolutionarily enhanced variants with increased infectivity due to characteristics such as greater viral load and shedding
Do you mean Covid-19 spreading through the sewage system?
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
Wouldn’t the two new cases be a pretty “clear explanation” for the “strong” result?
No. Apparently the medi-hotel drains into a different catchment.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
SA Health says the reading is the strongest since the Parafield Cluster
But it could be the from people with COVID-19 in Adelaide medi-hotels
Authorities are urging anyone with symptoms to get tested
—
imagine evolutionarily enhanced variants with increased infectivity due to characteristics such as greater viral load and shedding
Do you mean Covid-19 spreading through the sewage system?
not quite though they have written articles about toilet aerosols potentially doing that
we mean, new stronger variants will often generate more load, and therefore it makes sense that a few new cases can make scary detection
we can’t assume that that’s all it is though so it’s definitely worth screening harder
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
Wouldn’t the two new cases be a pretty “clear explanation” for the “strong” result?
we did think that
maybe they are trying to say that it’s unproven as yet
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
South Australia has recorded two new COVID-19 cases in a medi-hotel, including a teenage girl and a man in his 60s.Testing has also shown a second “strong” result for COVID-19 in Adelaide’s wastewater, for which authorities say there is “no clear explanation”.
SA Health says the reading is the strongest since the Parafield Cluster
But it could be the from people with COVID-19 in Adelaide medi-hotels
Authorities are urging anyone with symptoms to get tested
—
imagine evolutionarily enhanced variants with increased infectivity due to characteristics such as greater viral load and shedding
Do you mean Covid-19 spreading through the sewage system?
Just imagine that, infected turds having to isolate?
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:
Who let the bats out?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29190287/
IIRC, I’ve read that before.
Possibly, it was used as evidence by the US that the lab in Wuhan (where most of the researchers worked) was the cause of the worldwide outbreak, due to poor infection control practices.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:
Who let the bats out?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29190287/
IIRC, I’ve read that before.
Possibly, it was used as evidence by the US that the lab in Wuhan (where most of the researchers worked) was the cause of the worldwide outbreak, due to poor infection control practices.
Yeah, well, politics…
to be fair maybe what they meant was, when somewhere in Australia shows signs of COVID-19 community transmission, then they get worried in New Zealand, and that would be fair
Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics will not have overseas spectators, according to Japanese news agency
SCIENCE said:
Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics will not have overseas spectators, according to Japanese news agency
Bloody isolationist Japanese (Sakoku)…
furious said:
SCIENCE said:(Sakoku)…
Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics will not have overseas spectators, according to Japanese news agency
it’s a numbers game.
knew it, lockdowns really do kill people
—
In net terms Australia has had neither. The bureau’s figures show we’ve been less likely than normal to die of heart disease and strokes, and far less likely to die from flu, probably because social distancing has made it harder to catch.
Scandinavian Snapshot
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Except for a decrease in mental disorders in the first pandemic period, the findings suggest stable levels of mental disorders, suicidal ideation and suicide deaths during the first six months of the COVID-19 pandemic compared to pre-pandemic levels. Potential methodological and contextual explanations of these findings compared with findings from other studies are discussed.
SCIENCE said:
Scandinavian Snapshot
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Except for a decrease in mental disorders in the first pandemic period, the findings suggest stable levels of mental disorders, suicidal ideation and suicide deaths during the first six months of the COVID-19 pandemic compared to pre-pandemic levels. Potential methodological and contextual explanations of these findings compared with findings from other studies are discussed.
Good-oh.
Reference?
“The federal government will halve the price of nearly 800,000 airline tickets as part of a $1.2 billion package aimed at getting more
Australians to spend big on domestic holidays.
The move is designed to prop up ailing parts of the tourism and aviation sectors, which have been hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic and which fear the end of the JobKeeper program later this month.
Between April and July, a 50 per cent discount on tickets will be offered for flights to and from 13 regions that normally rely heavily on international visitors.
The destinations are the Gold Coast, Cairns, the Whitsundays region, the Sunshine Coast, the Lasseter region which includes Uluru, Alice Springs, Launceston, Devonport, Burnie, Broome, Avalon, Merimbula and Kangaroo Island.
Routes and the precise number of tickets will be driven by demand and are still being discussed with airlines, but it is estimated an average of 46,000 half-price fares will be offered each week mostly with Qantas, Virgin and Jetstar.
They will be available for sale on airline websites from April 1.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-b117-variant-uk/13235734
Michael V said:
They will be available for sale on airline websites from April 1.”
Seeing as in pre-pandemic days fares well below “half price” were available on almost all flights, the start date seems quite appropriate.
“UK COVID-19 variant has a significantly higher death rate, study finds
A highly infectious variant of COVID-19 that has spread around the world since it was first discovered in Britain late last year is between 30 per cent and 100 per cent more deadly than previous dominant variants, according to British researchers.”
“ “Coupled with its ability to spread rapidly, this makes B.1.1.7 a threat that should be taken seriously,” said Robert Challen, a researcher at Exeter University who co-led the research.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-b117-variant-uk/13235734
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:They will be available for sale on airline websites from April 1.”
Seeing as in pre-pandemic days fares well below “half price” were available on almost all flights, the start date seems quite appropriate.
Ha!
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:They will be available for sale on airline websites from April 1.”
Seeing as in pre-pandemic days fares well below “half price” were available on almost all flights, the start date seems quite appropriate.
Between capital cities and to tourist centres, you can often find quite inexpensive fares.
Get off those routes, and it can be a different story.
It’s been a while since i did it, but you could easily pay $360.00 for a return trip Bundaberg-Brisbane (1 hour or less each way) on a Dash-8 turboprop.
Cheap fares may be getting subsidised by people on less fortunate routes.
Michael V said:
“UK COVID-19 variant has a significantly higher death rate, study finds
told y’all so
Michael V said:
“The federal government will halve the price of nearly 800,000 airline tickets as part of a $1.2 billion package aimed at getting more
Australians to spend big on domestic holidays.The destinations are the Gold Coast, Cairns,
yeah maybe not that 2nd one for a bit, not if Cairns Hospital declares ‘code yellow’ emergency after influx of COVID-19 patients from PNG
“Both vaccines seem to work quite well — either one is way better than none at all.” Ms Stephen-Smith said it was a welcome step to have two vaccines available in the territory. “I’m sure that people may have preference for one over the other — what I would say is that both vaccines are safe and both vaccines are effective and we’re certainly seeing that increasingly from the international evidence,” she said.
yeah yeah make the best of a bad situation we geddit but some more honesty would be nice, as in we don’t need to get all sweet lemonsy trying to be toxic positive about it
and while everyone seems to be getting upset about the 5G Modema COVID-19 Vaccine they’re simultaneously fanungenderedpronouning the Elon we(0,0,1) all love
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/the-age-of-thought-control-is-already-upon-us/13229378
Mr Musk’s research company Neuralink claims to have developed a surgical robot capable of inserting an array of up 1,000 electrodes into a person’s brain with pin-point accuracy.
Neuralink unveiled the machine at a press event late last year, but the company is remaining tight-lipped about the finer details of its work.
Despite the secrecy, UK-based neuroscientist Andrew Jackson says the device has enormous potential.
“At the moment, the state-of-the-art is about 100 electrodes,” he tells RN’s Future Tense.
“What Neuralink has done is increased that by an order of magnitude, and these are flexible individual wires that can be put in different parts of the brain.”
And if electrodes no longer need to be inserted by hand, says Professor Jackson, the surgery will be “safer and speedier”.
“The robot can do things like identify where blood vessels are and so it will avoid damaging blood vessels during the surgery,” he says.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Scandinavian Snapshot
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Except for a decrease in mental disorders in the first pandemic period, the findings suggest stable levels of mental disorders, suicidal ideation and suicide deaths during the first six months of the COVID-19 pandemic compared to pre-pandemic levels. Potential methodological and contextual explanations of these findings compared with findings from other studies are discussed.
Good-oh.
Reference?
SCIENCE said:
and while everyone seems to be getting upset about the 5G Modema COVID-19 Vaccine they’re simultaneously fanungenderedpronouning the Elon we(0,0,1) all love
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/the-age-of-thought-control-is-already-upon-us/13229378
Mr Musk’s research company Neuralink claims to have developed a surgical robot capable of inserting an array of up 1,000 electrodes into a person’s brain with pin-point accuracy.
Neuralink unveiled the machine at a press event late last year, but the company is remaining tight-lipped about the finer details of its work.
Despite the secrecy, UK-based neuroscientist Andrew Jackson says the device has enormous potential.
“At the moment, the state-of-the-art is about 100 electrodes,” he tells RN’s Future Tense.
“What Neuralink has done is increased that by an order of magnitude, and these are flexible individual wires that can be put in different parts of the brain.”
And if electrodes no longer need to be inserted by hand, says Professor Jackson, the surgery will be “safer and speedier”.
“The robot can do things like identify where blood vessels are and so it will avoid damaging blood vessels during the surgery,” he says.
If only Sibeen was here to appreciate this little irony.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
and while everyone seems to be getting upset about the 5G Modema COVID-19 Vaccine they’re simultaneously fanungenderedpronouning the Elon we(0,0,1) all love
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/the-age-of-thought-control-is-already-upon-us/13229378
Mr Musk’s research company Neuralink claims to have developed a surgical robot capable of inserting an array of up 1,000 electrodes into a person’s brain with pin-point accuracy.
Neuralink unveiled the machine at a press event late last year, but the company is remaining tight-lipped about the finer details of its work.
Despite the secrecy, UK-based neuroscientist Andrew Jackson says the device has enormous potential.
“At the moment, the state-of-the-art is about 100 electrodes,” he tells RN’s Future Tense.
“What Neuralink has done is increased that by an order of magnitude, and these are flexible individual wires that can be put in different parts of the brain.”
And if electrodes no longer need to be inserted by hand, says Professor Jackson, the surgery will be “safer and speedier”.
“The robot can do things like identify where blood vessels are and so it will avoid damaging blood vessels during the surgery,” he says.
If only Sibeen was here to appreciate this little irony.
I wonder if it can alleviate Parkinson’s syndrome
ABC News:
‘Government walks back COVID-19 vaccination rollout targets, blames production and supply issues
By political reporters Tom Lowrey and Jack Snape
The head of the Department of Health blames uncertainty around local production and international supply issues as the government appears set to miss its stated vaccine rollout targets.’
I suggested some weeks back that govts would start to lose interest in vaccination programmes once the populace had been ‘re-assured’, the photo opps were exhausted, and when the lure of spending the money elsewhere became harder to resist.
Bad news.
Brazil is to overtake India as second highest number of cases in total, two days from now.
Brazil recently moved into first place for daily new cases.
Brazil has already had second highest number of deaths for a while.
India is starting second wave of Covid cases. Luckily with a strain with a lower mortality rate than the first wave.
Europe, overall, has had 5 million more cases than the USA – they were level pegging there for over two months.
Daily new cases worldwide is increasing.
Good news continues for the USA. Daily new cases and deaths are still dropping.
On a 7 day average, 57,000 new cases per day, 1,477 new deaths per day.
Still unacceptably high. I won’t be happy until the number of deaths per day from Covid in the USA drops below 80.
Things are starting to look bad for PNG.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/png-catastrophe-coronavirus-health-system-vaccine-covid-19/13239246
Michael V said:
Things are starting to look bad for PNG.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/png-catastrophe-coronavirus-health-system-vaccine-covid-19/13239246
This is a country that bought a fleet of 300 cars, including 40 Maseratis and 3 Bentleys while it was struggling with a polio outbreak. Of course, they did that using money from Australia and China, so that’s all right.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Things are starting to look bad for PNG.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/png-catastrophe-coronavirus-health-system-vaccine-covid-19/13239246
This is a country that bought a fleet of 300 cars, including 40 Maseratis and 3 Bentleys while it was struggling with a polio outbreak. Of course, they did that using money from Australia and China, so that’s all right.
It is hard to see a future for PNG.
My BiL travels there a bit (every couple of years), some of the stories he tells are a bit sad. Seems to get slowly worse each time he visits.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Government walks back COVID-19 vaccination rollout targets, blames production and supply issues
By political reporters Tom Lowrey and Jack Snape
The head of the Department of Health blames uncertainty around local production and international supply issues as the government appears set to miss its stated vaccine rollout targets.’I suggested some weeks back that govts would start to lose interest in vaccination programmes once the populace had been ‘re-assured’, the photo opps were exhausted, and when the lure of spending the money elsewhere became harder to resist.
well it’s good right, means we can keep the borders a bit longer, stick with safety restrictions a bit better
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Government walks back COVID-19 vaccination rollout targets, blames production and supply issues
By political reporters Tom Lowrey and Jack Snape
The head of the Department of Health blames uncertainty around local production and international supply issues as the government appears set to miss its stated vaccine rollout targets.’I suggested some weeks back that govts would start to lose interest in vaccination programmes once the populace had been ‘re-assured’, the photo opps were exhausted, and when the lure of spending the money elsewhere became harder to resist.
well it’s good right, means we can keep the borders a bit longer, stick with safety restrictions a bit better
ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:ABC News:‘Government walks back COVID-19 vaccination rollout targets, blames production and supply issuesBy political reporters Tom Lowrey and Jack Snape
The head of the Department of Health blames uncertainty around local production and international supply issues as the government appears set to miss its stated vaccine rollout targets.’I suggested some weeks back that govts would start to lose interest in vaccination programmes once the populace had been ‘re-assured’, the photo opps were exhausted, and when the lure of spending the money elsewhere became harder to resist.
well it’s good right, means we can keep the borders a bit longer, stick with safety restrictions a bit better
ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted big kickbacks Corruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federal Corruption party coalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:SCIENCE said:well it’s good right, means we can keep the borders a bit longer, stick with safety restrictions a bit better
ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
also in the interests of balance and since some of you all get upset when the bulk of the corruption / crap comes from one end
January, the Opposition accused the Government of being slow to make deals, and that this would affect supply of the drug.
If Australians have to wait longer to get the Pfizer vaccine, it will be because Scott Morrison was too slow to get a deal and because we don’t have enough access to other vaccines. — Chris Bowen (@Bowenchris) January 23, 2021
Mr Bowen’s claim is drawing a long bow.
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‘sif, Labor can say no wrong, everything they say is perfect truth and higher than Godel, they never lie
fkn ABC
⚠ you’ve already read what we think, which is effective elimination means we don’t need to worry about rushing for vaccines, so a laid back but cautious approach is fair
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
also in the interests of balance and since some of you all get upset when the bulk of the corruption / crap comes from one end
January, the Opposition accused the Government of being slow to make deals, and that this would affect supply of the drug.
If Australians have to wait longer to get the Pfizer vaccine, it will be because Scott Morrison was too slow to get a deal and because we don’t have enough access to other vaccines. — Chris Bowen (@Bowenchris) January 23, 2021
Mr Bowen’s claim is drawing a long bow.
—
‘sif, Labor can say no wrong, everything they say is perfect truth and higher than Godel, they never lie
fkn ABC
⚠ you’ve already read what we think, which is effective elimination means we don’t need to worry about rushing for vaccines, so a laid back but cautious approach is fair
Who knows what dirty deals go on behind the scenes to secure the vaccines
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:SCIENCE said:well it’s good right, means we can keep the borders a bit longer, stick with safety restrictions a bit better
ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
Also… what’s to see in Avalon?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
Also… what’s to see in Avalon?
Avalon (/ˈævəˌlɒn/; Latin: Insula Avallonis, Welsh: Ynys Afallon, Ynys Afallach; Cornish: ‘Enys Avalow’; literally meaning “the isle of fruit trees”), sometimes written Avallon or Avilion, is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s 1136 Historia Regum Britanniae (“The History of the Kings of Britain”) as the place where King Arthur’s sword Excalibur was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from being gravely wounded at the Battle of Camlann. Since then the island has become a symbol of Arthurian mythology, similar to Arthur’s castle Camelot. Unlike Melbourne Airport, Avalon is not governed by the Commonwealth’s Airports Act 1996.
dv said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
Also… what’s to see in Avalon?
Avalon (/ˈævəˌlɒn/; Latin: Insula Avallonis, Welsh: Ynys Afallon, Ynys Afallach; Cornish: ‘Enys Avalow’; literally meaning “the isle of fruit trees”), sometimes written Avallon or Avilion, is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s 1136 Historia Regum Britanniae (“The History of the Kings of Britain”) as the place where King Arthur’s sword Excalibur was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from being gravely wounded at the Battle of Camlann. Since then the island has become a symbol of Arthurian mythology, similar to Arthur’s castle Camelot. Unlike Melbourne Airport, Avalon is not governed by the Commonwealth’s Airports Act 1996.
I was thinling of the Avalon Airport. It is on the list of places to get subsidised flights. All I know it that it s sort of halway between Melbourne and Geelong. It hosts an annual airshow and was once the base for Australian aircraft production (when we had some), Apart from the airport itself for the airshow I am unaware of it being a major tourist destination like Cairns or Broome or Gold Coast.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Also… what’s to see in Avalon?
Avalon (/ˈævəˌlɒn/; Latin: Insula Avallonis, Welsh: Ynys Afallon, Ynys Afallach; Cornish: ‘Enys Avalow’; literally meaning “the isle of fruit trees”), sometimes written Avallon or Avilion, is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s 1136 Historia Regum Britanniae (“The History of the Kings of Britain”) as the place where King Arthur’s sword Excalibur was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from being gravely wounded at the Battle of Camlann. Since then the island has become a symbol of Arthurian mythology, similar to Arthur’s castle Camelot. Unlike Melbourne Airport, Avalon is not governed by the Commonwealth’s Airports Act 1996.
I was thinling of the Avalon Airport. It is on the list of places to get subsidised flights. All I know it that it s sort of halway between Melbourne and Geelong. It hosts an annual airshow and was once the base for Australian aircraft production (when we had some), Apart from the airport itself for the airshow I am unaware of it being a major tourist destination like Cairns or Broome or Gold Coast.
we had to fetch some friends from there once, it was as much a hole as any, and fkn far
would not recommend, though if friends needed it we’d fetch again
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:SCIENCE said:well it’s good right, means we can keep the borders a bit longer, stick with safety restrictions a bit better
ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
And, they may well have done that…
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
And, they may well have done that…
That seems to be the only way they operate.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:ScoMo wants the borders open for an airline revival.
(1) he’s an arsehole, and
(2) we heard in the car (driving, couldn’t take down details, soz) that other airlines were complaining that the eligible routes for government subsidies were looking very much like QANTAS network … well, you fools, if you wanted
big kickbacksCorruption Grants all you needed to do is make a few donations to the federalCorruption partycoalition and Barnaby’s your uncle
Also… what’s to see in Avalon?
Weren’t we thinking about putting accommodation there for overseas people to quarantine in? Because they could fly into there and not have to be moved too far.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Also… what’s to see in Avalon?
Avalon (/ˈævəˌlɒn/; Latin: Insula Avallonis, Welsh: Ynys Afallon, Ynys Afallach; Cornish: ‘Enys Avalow’; literally meaning “the isle of fruit trees”), sometimes written Avallon or Avilion, is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s 1136 Historia Regum Britanniae (“The History of the Kings of Britain”) as the place where King Arthur’s sword Excalibur was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from being gravely wounded at the Battle of Camlann. Since then the island has become a symbol of Arthurian mythology, similar to Arthur’s castle Camelot. Unlike Melbourne Airport, Avalon is not governed by the Commonwealth’s Airports Act 1996.
I was thinling of the Avalon Airport. It is on the list of places to get subsidised flights. All I know it that it s sort of halway between Melbourne and Geelong. It hosts an annual airshow and was once the base for Australian aircraft production (when we had some), Apart from the airport itself for the airshow I am unaware of it being a major tourist destination like Cairns or Broome or Gold Coast.
I also think baby pilots learn to take off and land there…always going over the Geelong Road, turning around and coming back again. Maybe they don’t do that any more. There are squadrons of pelicans there too.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/service-nsw-covid-check-in-app-outage/13239676
Whoops. Best system in the country…
Gotta love electronics. So fabulous when they work.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/service-nsw-covid-check-in-app-outage/13239676Whoops. Best system in the country…
Gotta love electronics. So fabulous when they work.
ah so it was the VICTORIAN HACKERS, jealous of the NSW one-stop-shop system, who did this, we knew it
“effective”
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An interim analysis of Johnson & Johnson’s phase three trial (which involved more than 40,000 volunteers) showed the vaccine offered 66 per cent protection against moderate COVID-19 disease and 85 per cent protection against severe disease.
How does that compare to the two vaccines approved in Australia?
The Pfizer vaccine is 95 per cent effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 after two doses.
And AstraZeneca’s efficacy ranges between 62 and 90 per cent, depending on the dosage amount and time between doses.
So why does the Johnson & Johnson option only need one dose to be effective?
monkey skipper said:
Hackers say they’ve gained access to surveillance cameras in Australian childcare centres, schools and aged care
another good reason to wear those masks
SCIENCE said:
monkey skipper said:Hackers say they’ve gained access to surveillance cameras in Australian childcare centres, schools and aged care
another good reason to wear those masks
the world is like big brother as predicted …
monkey skipper said:
SCIENCE said:
monkey skipper said:Hackers say they’ve gained access to surveillance cameras in Australian childcare centres, schools and aged care
another good reason to wear those masks
the world is like big brother as predicted …
Throw in the mind control chips as https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-11/the-age-of-thought-control-is-already-upon-us/13229378 before and once that technology matures we’ll be building the resistance you watch.
This couldn’t happen. China says so, and that’sthat.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/08/josh-rogin-chaos-under-heaven-wuhan-lab-book-excerpt-474322
captain_spalding said:
This couldn’t happen. China says so, and that’sthat.https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/08/josh-rogin-chaos-under-heaven-wuhan-lab-book-excerpt-474322
Fkn Iraqis
Here is a discussion topic. I see in the ABC news that there is argy bargy around the world about supplies of vaccine and also some countries (Denmark, Norway, Iceland) have stopped using AstraZeneca for the moment for fear of blood clot problems. If you’ve only got enough vax for less than your entire population, what should you do?
I’d suggest that as this disease is worst for the elderly and the compromised, you should make sure health workers (because they work with the sick), your over 70s, and then your compromised under 70s get fully vaxxed. And then see what you’ve got left for the rest of the population. And apparently it is more serious than in males than females (some stats research I read somewhere), so perhaps blokes come next.
Go for it!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/denmark-norway-iceland-suspend-astrazeneca-covid-shots-vaccine/13240984
Here’s something I’d not have thought to be in Australia but apparently it is.
JOINT MEDIA RELEASE: More than 540 roosters seized as inquiries continue into illegal cockfighting syndicate
Friday, 12 March 2021 08:09:06 AM
Organised Crime Squad detectives, together with RSPCA NSW, have seized a further 540 roosters as investigations continue into the activities of an illegal cockfighting syndicate.
Last year, detectives from the State Crime Command’s Organised Crime Squad, together with the NSW Crime Commission and RSPCA NSW, uncovered animal cruelty offences in Sydney’s south-west.
Following extensive investigations, detectives, with assistance from RSPCA NSW Inspectors, executed a search warrant at a property at Camden Valley Way at Catherine Field on Sunday 13 December 2020.
During a search of the property, officers uncovered a designated cockfighting area and several large sheds used to house 71 fighting cockerels, as well as metal spikes, spurs and other cockfighting paraphernalia.
Officers also seized $107,170 cash and several electronic devices from the premises.
The animals were seized by RSPCA NSW Inspectors, several of which were taken into veterinary care for serious injuries.
A 56-year-old man was taken into the custody of the Department of Home Affairs regarding his visa status, while 34 men were detained at the scene and later issued with a Court Attendance Notice (CAN) for promote/organise/attend animal fight.
All 34 men remain are next due to appear before Moss Vale Local Court on Thursday 1 April 2021.
Following further investigations, detectives executed a search warrant at a property at Horsley Park from 11am yesterday (Thursday 11 March 2021).
Investigators were assisted throughout the operation by RSPCA NSW Inspectors, Bass Hills Region Enforcement Squad (RES), North West Metropolitan Operations Suport Group (OSG) and PolAir.
During the searches, officers located more than 540 fighting cockerels, roosters and chickens, as well as cockfighting paraphernalia.
A crime scene was established and will be maintained at the property today (Friday 12 March 2021), as RSPCA Inspectors facilitate the safe removal of the animals.
buffy said:
Here is a discussion topic. I see in the ABC news that there is argy bargy around the world about supplies of vaccine and also some countries (Denmark, Norway, Iceland) have stopped using AstraZeneca for the moment for fear of blood clot problems. If you’ve only got enough vax for less than your entire population, what should you do?I’d suggest that as this disease is worst for the elderly and the compromised, you should make sure health workers (because they work with the sick), your over 70s, and then your compromised under 70s get fully vaxxed. And then see what you’ve got left for the rest of the population. And apparently it is more serious than in males than females (some stats research I read somewhere), so perhaps blokes come next.
Go for it!
(1)
We mean if countries really wanted to look after the health of their populations, including or especially the elderly and the compromised, what they should have done should be doing should plan for is to prevent epidemic in the first place, like those Human Rights Violating Countries That Don’t Care About Their Citizens Communist Places such as VIETNAM and CHINA.
(2)
But yeah, if you’ve only got enough vax for less than your entire population, what should you do? First thing is to interrupt chains of transmission, by restricting movement and wearing masks right now, which works within 2 weeks while vaccination drives take, oh, we don’t know, months? Second thing is to prevent reentry of infection into elimination zones, which works immediately until forever (or whenever prevention ends), while vaccination requires a wait of, maybe, months? Third or later thing is to decide on a sensible order of vaccination, yeah.
(3)
The other aspect of the article, titled because it’s so important. “But the European medicine regulator EMA said the vaccine’s benefits outweighed its risks and it could continue to be administered.” What are the benefits of a 35% ineffective vaccine, in Australia where there has been no community transmission of the disease, in Australia where there is access to more effective vaccines, to be weighed up against the risk of blood clots, in Australia where almost everyone is fat and lazy and doesn’t move around so is more likely to get clots? Oh, that’s right, it’s probably a spurious adverse effect, the reports were probably made by shills for the Pfizer / 5G Modema / Johnson shots. We should be trusting the AstraZeneca marketers, they only ever told the truth about its 100% efficacy.
roughbarked said:
Here’s something I’d not have thought to be in Australia but apparently it is.JOINT MEDIA RELEASE: More than 540 roosters seized as inquiries continue into illegal cockfighting syndicate
Organised Crime Squad, together with the NSW Crime Commission … uncovered … offences in Sydney’s south-west.
A 56-year-old man was taken into the custody of the Department of Home Affairs regarding his visa status, while 34 men were detained at the scene and later issued with a Court Attendance Notice
wait is this Christian Porter again or are we talking about something else, Barnaby maybe or just the whole bunch of Coalitionists, really
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Here’s something I’d not have thought to be in Australia but apparently it is.JOINT MEDIA RELEASE: More than 540 roosters seized as inquiries continue into illegal cockfighting syndicate
Organised Crime Squad, together with the NSW Crime Commission … uncovered … offences in Sydney’s south-west.
A 56-year-old man was taken into the custody of the Department of Home Affairs regarding his visa status, while 34 men were detained at the scene and later issued with a Court Attendance Notice
wait is this Christian Porter again or are we talking about something else, Barnaby maybe or just the whole bunch of Coalitionists, really
Dunno but it is in the wrong thread. :(
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Here’s something I’d not have thought to be in Australia but apparently it is.JOINT MEDIA RELEASE: More than 540 roosters seized as inquiries continue into illegal cockfighting syndicate
Organised Crime Squad, together with the NSW Crime Commission … uncovered … offences in Sydney’s south-west.
A 56-year-old man was taken into the custody of the Department of Home Affairs regarding his visa status, while 34 men were detained at the scene and later issued with a Court Attendance Notice
wait is this Christian Porter again or are we talking about something else, Barnaby maybe or just the whole bunch of Coalitionists, really
Dunno but it is in the wrong thread. :(
not necessarily, all inappropriate* joking aside, exotic animals and related practices are a known risk for pandemic spread, even if not for COVID-19 then certainly things like avian influenza
*: or more specifically, joking about inappropriate government ministers
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:wait is this Christian Porter again or are we talking about something else, Barnaby maybe or just the whole bunch of Coalitionists, really
Dunno but it is in the wrong thread. :(
not necessarily, all inappropriate* joking aside, exotic animals and related practices are a known risk for pandemic spread, even if not for COVID-19 then certainly things like avian influenza
*: or more specifically, joking about inappropriate government ministers
:)
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Here is a discussion topic. I see in the ABC news that there is argy bargy around the world about supplies of vaccine and also some countries (Denmark, Norway, Iceland) have stopped using AstraZeneca for the moment for fear of blood clot problems. If you’ve only got enough vax for less than your entire population, what should you do?(3)
The other aspect of the article, titled because it’s so important. “But the European medicine regulator EMA said the vaccine’s benefits outweighed its risks and it could continue to be administered.” What are the benefits of a 35% ineffective vaccine, in Australia where there has been no community transmission of the disease, in Australia where there is access to more effective vaccines, to be weighed up against the risk of blood clots, in Australia where almost everyone is fat and lazy and doesn’t move around so is more likely to get clots? Oh, that’s right, it’s probably a spurious adverse effect, the reports were probably made by shills for the Pfizer / 5G Modema / Johnson shots. We should be trusting the AstraZeneca marketers, they only ever told the truth about its 100% efficacy.
By Simon Smale
The Federal Government remains confident in the safety of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, despite its use being suspended in parts of Europe.
Authorities in Denmark, Norway and Iceland have temporarily stopped using the vaccine, while investigations are underway into whether its linked to blood clots.
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has told Channel Nine, Australian authorities don’t share those concerns.
“The way in which this rollout has worked, not just here but around the world, means that we do have an enormous amount of data,” Mr Dutton said.
“And the conclusion here is that the vaccine is safe. It will continue to rollout.”
The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
sibeen said:
The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Lovely.
Higher risk of major bleed, but that only happens if you go outside and do stuff, so we’re probably safe there, too.
sibeen said:
The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Me as well
Cymek said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Me as well
They stopped the use of aspirin for that purpose some years ago, as I recall. I think the Aspree trial was what did it in. Poik is more likely to remember the details than me. I had quite a lot of patients in the Aspree trial, Hamilton must have been a major recruiting centre.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Me as well
They stopped the use of aspirin for that purpose some years ago, as I recall. I think the Aspree trial was what did it in. Poik is more likely to remember the details than me. I had quite a lot of patients in the Aspree trial, Hamilton must have been a major recruiting centre.
I’m on 100mg of asprin per day
buffy said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Me as well
They stopped the use of aspirin for that purpose some years ago, as I recall. I think the Aspree trial was what did it in. Poik is more likely to remember the details than me. I had quite a lot of patients in the Aspree trial, Hamilton must have been a major recruiting centre.
For which purpose?
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Me as well
They stopped the use of aspirin for that purpose some years ago, as I recall. I think the Aspree trial was what did it in. Poik is more likely to remember the details than me. I had quite a lot of patients in the Aspree trial, Hamilton must have been a major recruiting centre.
For which purpose?
Here you go:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2018-09-17/daily-aspirin-doesnt-prevent-cardiovascular-disease/10247308
“Daily aspirin doesn’t prevent cardiovascular disease, landmark Australian study find”
From there:
ASPREE study: A snapshot
At the beginning of the study, known as the ASPREE (Aspirin in Reducing Events in the Elderly) trial, researchers in Australia and the United States recruited more than 19,000 adults aged 70 years and above who had no history of cardiovascular disease, dementia or disability.
Participants were randomly assigned to receive 100 milligrams of aspirin each day or a placebo pill, and were followed for an average of 4.7 years.
The researchers found the use of low-dose aspirin did not prolong disability-free survival (a measure used to reflect a healthy lifespan) among healthy older adults.
“We measured this by how long it took for people to remain healthy without having a permanent physical disability or developing dementia. In other words, how long people spent in a healthy state,” Professor McNeil said.
Researchers also found the use of low-dose aspirin did not substantially lower the risk of cardiovascular disease in healthy older adults, and instead significantly increased their risk of major haemorrhage (bleeding that can lead to a stroke).
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But obviously you have to be healthy for it not to make a difference….
:)
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Me as well
They stopped the use of aspirin for that purpose some years ago, as I recall. I think the Aspree trial was what did it in. Poik is more likely to remember the details than me. I had quite a lot of patients in the Aspree trial, Hamilton must have been a major recruiting centre.
For which purpose?
Wot it says in the headline quoted…
“The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease…..”
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:They stopped the use of aspirin for that purpose some years ago, as I recall. I think the Aspree trial was what did it in. Poik is more likely to remember the details than me. I had quite a lot of patients in the Aspree trial, Hamilton must have been a major recruiting centre.
For which purpose?
Wot it says in the headline quoted…
“The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease…..”
Ahhh. My interpretation is they found it doesn’t prevent heart disease when given to everyone over 70, not that it doesn’t prevent clots in people who already have other risk indicators.
sibeen said:
The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
dv said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
FIIK.
Seems like the sort of thing I would remember….
Do you know what you’re allowed to have in a work site first aid kit? Our work safety regulator (WorkSafe Vic) are telling people they’re not allowed to have any medication or other chemicals in their first aid kits at work. Soooo… apart from the stuff that’s include in the national first aid training package (aspirin, adrenaline, ventolin, glucose, saline solution, haemostatic agents, antiseptic agents) and used under the guidance of the Aust/NZ Council on Resuscitation….
(I have tackled them more than once on this – They very clearly don’t even understand the question)
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
FIIK.
Seems like the sort of thing I would remember….
Do you know what you’re allowed to have in a work site first aid kit? Our work safety regulator (WorkSafe Vic) are telling people they’re not allowed to have any medication or other chemicals in their first aid kits at work. Soooo… apart from the stuff that’s include in the national first aid training package (aspirin, adrenaline, ventolin, glucose, saline solution, haemostatic agents, antiseptic agents) and used under the guidance of the Aust/NZ Council on Resuscitation….
(I have tackled them more than once on this – They very clearly don’t even understand the question)
what else would you want?
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
FIIK.
Seems like the sort of thing I would remember….
Do you know what you’re allowed to have in a work site first aid kit? Our work safety regulator (WorkSafe Vic) are telling people they’re not allowed to have any medication or other chemicals in their first aid kits at work. Soooo… apart from the stuff that’s include in the national first aid training package (aspirin, adrenaline, ventolin, glucose, saline solution, haemostatic agents, antiseptic agents) and used under the guidance of the Aust/NZ Council on Resuscitation….
(I have tackled them more than once on this – They very clearly don’t even understand the question)
I did nt know this.
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
FIIK.
Seems like the sort of thing I would remember….
Do you know what you’re allowed to have in a work site first aid kit? Our work safety regulator (WorkSafe Vic) are telling people they’re not allowed to have any medication or other chemicals in their first aid kits at work. Soooo… apart from the stuff that’s include in the national first aid training package (aspirin, adrenaline, ventolin, glucose, saline solution, haemostatic agents, antiseptic agents) and used under the guidance of the Aust/NZ Council on Resuscitation….
(I have tackled them more than once on this – They very clearly don’t even understand the question)
I did nt know this.
That bullshit goes back at least 30 years.
dv said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
probably poik.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Rule 303 said:FIIK.
Seems like the sort of thing I would remember….
Do you know what you’re allowed to have in a work site first aid kit? Our work safety regulator (WorkSafe Vic) are telling people they’re not allowed to have any medication or other chemicals in their first aid kits at work. Soooo… apart from the stuff that’s include in the national first aid training package (aspirin, adrenaline, ventolin, glucose, saline solution, haemostatic agents, antiseptic agents) and used under the guidance of the Aust/NZ Council on Resuscitation….
(I have tackled them more than once on this – They very clearly don’t even understand the question)
I did nt know this.
That bullshit goes back at least 30 years.
I live under a rock.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I did nt know this.
That bullshit goes back at least 30 years.
I live under a rock.
I remember it happening at a workplace I was at. They held a first aid workshop and the trainer claimed that the company couldn’t have anything pain relief related in the work first aid kit. I thought it was mind blowing stupid back then.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:That bullshit goes back at least 30 years.
I live under a rock.
I remember it happening at a workplace I was at. They held a first aid workshop and the trainer claimed that the company couldn’t have anything pain relief related in the work first aid kit. I thought it was mind blowing stupid back then.
Actually they had the same at the bank. Panadol was strictly BYO.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:That bullshit goes back at least 30 years.
I live under a rock.
I remember it happening at a workplace I was at. They held a first aid workshop and the trainer claimed that the company couldn’t have anything pain relief related in the work first aid kit. I thought it was mind blowing stupid back then.
At my previous employer the routine workplace inspection included inspecting the first aid kit and that it was present. However, we were not permitted to open it and inspect the contents as it had a tie on the clasp keeping it shut. Breaking the tie and opening the box was classed as a reportable incident…
furious said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:I live under a rock.
I remember it happening at a workplace I was at. They held a first aid workshop and the trainer claimed that the company couldn’t have anything pain relief related in the work first aid kit. I thought it was mind blowing stupid back then.
At my previous employer the routine workplace inspection included inspecting the first aid kit and that it was present. However, we were not permitted to open it and inspect the contents as it had a tie on the clasp keeping it shut. Breaking the tie and opening the box was classed as a reportable incident…
So if your bleeding and in pain you first got to find a pair of snips to cut the tie off…?
Rule 303 said:
dv said:
sibeen said:The use of aspirin for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease is associated with a lower likelihood of COVID-19 infection
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33621437/
Rule and I are sweet.
Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
FIIK.
Seems like the sort of thing I would remember….
Do you know what you’re allowed to have in a work site first aid kit? Our work safety regulator (WorkSafe Vic) are telling people they’re not allowed to have any medication or other chemicals in their first aid kits at work. Soooo… apart from the stuff that’s include in the national first aid training package (aspirin, adrenaline, ventolin, glucose, saline solution, haemostatic agents, antiseptic agents) and used under the guidance of the Aust/NZ Council on Resuscitation….
(I have tackled them more than once on this – They very clearly don’t even understand the question)
They remonstrated with me on an inspection because one of my staff had put her otc painkillers in there instead of keeping them in her handbag…
party_pants said:
furious said:
sibeen said:I remember it happening at a workplace I was at. They held a first aid workshop and the trainer claimed that the company couldn’t have anything pain relief related in the work first aid kit. I thought it was mind blowing stupid back then.
At my previous employer the routine workplace inspection included inspecting the first aid kit and that it was present. However, we were not permitted to open it and inspect the contents as it had a tie on the clasp keeping it shut. Breaking the tie and opening the box was classed as a reportable incident…
So if
yourbleeding and in pain you first got to find a pair of snips to cut the tie off…?
you’re
party_pants said:
furious said:
sibeen said:I remember it happening at a workplace I was at. They held a first aid workshop and the trainer claimed that the company couldn’t have anything pain relief related in the work first aid kit. I thought it was mind blowing stupid back then.
At my previous employer the routine workplace inspection included inspecting the first aid kit and that it was present. However, we were not permitted to open it and inspect the contents as it had a tie on the clasp keeping it shut. Breaking the tie and opening the box was classed as a reportable incident…
So if your bleeding and in pain you first got to find a pair of snips to cut the tie off…?
I think the material was such that if you stretch it, trying to open the box, it would snap. But if you were bleeding and in pain their preference was to avoid the first aid kit and report directly to the appropriate personnel…
Rule…did you want to read the Aspree report? They stopped it early because the results were unexpected.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1803955
furious said:
party_pants said:
furious said:At my previous employer the routine workplace inspection included inspecting the first aid kit and that it was present. However, we were not permitted to open it and inspect the contents as it had a tie on the clasp keeping it shut. Breaking the tie and opening the box was classed as a reportable incident…
So if your bleeding and in pain you first got to find a pair of snips to cut the tie off…?
I think the material was such that if you stretch it, trying to open the box, it would snap. But if you were bleeding and in pain their preference was to avoid the first aid kit and report directly to the appropriate personnel…
So the first aid kit wasn’t for first aid?
:)
sibeen said:
furious said:
party_pants said:So if your bleeding and in pain you first got to find a pair of snips to cut the tie off…?
I think the material was such that if you stretch it, trying to open the box, it would snap. But if you were bleeding and in pain their preference was to avoid the first aid kit and report directly to the appropriate personnel…
So the first aid kit wasn’t for first aid?
:)
I think they were only there because, by law, they had to be. Don’t know if the law says anything about having to use it. The over riding thinking was, I think, that also by law every injury needed to be reported, no matter how small. In that case, can’t have people applying their own band aid to a paper cut…
buffy said:
Rule 303 said:
dv said:Who was it on the old forum who said you should never use aspirin for pain relief?
FIIK.
Seems like the sort of thing I would remember….
Do you know what you’re allowed to have in a work site first aid kit? Our work safety regulator (WorkSafe Vic) are telling people they’re not allowed to have any medication or other chemicals in their first aid kits at work. Soooo… apart from the stuff that’s include in the national first aid training package (aspirin, adrenaline, ventolin, glucose, saline solution, haemostatic agents, antiseptic agents) and used under the guidance of the Aust/NZ Council on Resuscitation….
(I have tackled them more than once on this – They very clearly don’t even understand the question)
They remonstrated with me on an inspection because one of my staff had put her otc painkillers in there instead of keeping them in her handbag…
Its pretty damn stupid I bet its more about liability than safety anyway
We have a chemical hazard list whose purpose I am not sure, if its for a fire its pretty damn stupid as the entire building would be full of things that are toxic when burning
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:That bullshit goes back at least 30 years.
I live under a rock.
I remember it happening at a workplace I was at. They held a first aid workshop and the trainer claimed that the company couldn’t have anything pain relief related in the work first aid kit. I thought it was mind blowing stupid back then.
At my workplace they had half a dozen bandadids and a dozen panadol.
We weren’t allowed to have a first aid kit at work. ‘It’s a hospital’, they said, ‘if you get hurt, go to Emergency’.
I sliced the top off my finger on a sharp edge in a filing cabinet. Went to Emergency, asked if I could get a bandage, I could fix it up. ‘Sit over there’, they said. So I sat.
And waited. And waited. And waited. It wasn’t like it was frightfully busy, but I waited.
The paper towel I’d been using to staunch the rather good flow of blood became saturated, ad began to fall apart.
Someone came by, and said ‘that looks nasty, we’ll get you something for it’.
And they did. A bucket of sand so I wouldn’t get blood on the floor. Soon afterwards, I gave up, and went back to the office. A social worker found a bandage and bound it up for me.
captain_spalding said:
We weren’t allowed to have a first aid kit at work. ‘It’s a hospital’, they said, ‘if you get hurt, go to Emergency’.I sliced the top off my finger on a sharp edge in a filing cabinet. Went to Emergency, asked if I could get a bandage, I could fix it up. ‘Sit over there’, they said. So I sat.
And waited. And waited. And waited. It wasn’t like it was frightfully busy, but I waited.
The paper towel I’d been using to staunch the rather good flow of blood became saturated, ad began to fall apart.
Someone came by, and said ‘that looks nasty, we’ll get you something for it’.
And they did. A bucket of sand so I wouldn’t get blood on the floor. Soon afterwards, I gave up, and went back to the office. A social worker found a bandage and bound it up for me.
The first thing you should do after an incident like that is to tell the ABC.
Speaking of hospitals, the fun begins!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
Brisbane’s Princess Alexandra Hospital has been placed into lockdown after a doctor tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday. The doctor had contact with COVID-19-positive patients at the hospital in Brisbane’s south in the early hours of Wednesday. They were infectious whilst in the community the following day and contact tracing is underway to identify and contact all patients, staff and families who may have been exposed.
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Remember how human-rights-violating countries serious about pandemic control went out of their way to build thousands of beds of isolated COVID-19 treatment facility, as fast as possible (~10 days)¿ In the interests of preventing spread of disease locking more people up¿
Ah well, we aren’t saying QLD health system owns the fault (because they’re under Labor so we wouldn’t have a go at them), if you have a year of sick infectious patients then yeah, you might well expect the occasional infection control breach (accidental or otherwise).
On the other hand what we (and others) have said before includes (1) remote quarantine and (2) increased capacity (which is likely to be easier / safer if doing things remotely) to Bring Them All Back and have the returning traveller quarantine shit all sorted out faster. OK sure we don’t work in border control / home affairs / whateverthefuckyoucallit so maybe the logistics are too damn difficult, we’re not sure, but having oh shit moments every time there’s a breach seems kind of difficult as well.
Bugger, it’s escaped again in QLD, this time.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
European authorities pausing the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine after a small number of people developed blood clots is an “overreaction”, according to one leading Australian scientist. “You can’t ignore these events, but I think it’s an overreaction,” Peter Collignon, an infectious diseases expert from ANU, said.
Australia’s Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said there was “no evidence” the AstraZeneca jab caused blood clots.
Don’t worry, we’ve been here before, lockdown to give authorities time to reach out with test and trace were “an overreaction” to Original COVID-19 but now it’s because the New Strains are out suddenly they’re necessary.
Travel restrictions to prevent widespread seeding and reimportation of disease into elimination zones were “an overreaction” until places actually achieved elimination and realised they might not want to live (short lives) with virus after all.
There was “no evidence” that SARS-CoV-2 could undergo human-to-human transmission, of course there wasn’t, people didn’t even know it existed before they discovered that it existed.
There was “no evidence” that masks reduce transmission, like there was “no evidence” that parachutes might be useful for people jumping from great heights.
Oh and there was “no evidence” that hydroxychlonvalescent sermectin D was helpful either but we’re told we really should be buying massive amounts of it and ramming it like bright light and bleach into severe COVID-19 cases.
*wonders if there will be a snap lockdown
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
Divine Angel said:
*wonders if there will be a snap lockdownhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:*wonders if there will be a snap lockdownhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
Luckily, they appear to have the index case.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:*wonders if there will be a snap lockdownhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
It’s a relief it’s not in Victoria.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:*wonders if there will be a snap lockdownhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
It’s a relief it’s not in Victoria.
Is That The Site Of The Latest Gold Standard Rush
and can any of you Wise Ones explain this little gem of genius
The hospital has administered 3,477 doses of coronavirus vaccines since the rollout began, however it is unclear whether the doctor is one of the recipients.
probably important information hey
SCIENCE said:
and can any of you Wise Ones explain this little gem of geniusThe hospital has administered 3,477 doses of coronavirus vaccines since the rollout began, however it is unclear whether the doctor is one of the recipients.
probably important information hey
Nah, Utterly trivial.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
It’s a relief it’s not in Victoria.
Is That The Site Of The Latest Gold Standard Rush
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:*wonders if there will be a snap lockdownhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
You know it is not going to disappear completely, don’t you. Once the immunizations are underway, it is likely to have cases popping up each year, like other coronaviruses, in non immunized people. But it will get to the stage that we aren’t actually testing for it any more and people will just have a cold because in healthy under 70s it will just manifest like that.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:*wonders if there will be a snap lockdownhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
You know it is not going to disappear completely, don’t you. Once the immunizations are underway, it is likely to have cases popping up each year, like other coronaviruses, in non immunized people. But it will get to the stage that we aren’t actually testing for it any more and people will just have a cold because in healthy under 70s it will just manifest like that.
like SARS the original hey
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:*wonders if there will be a snap lockdownhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/brisbane-hospital-lockdown-doctor-covid/13244616
It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
You know it is not going to disappear completely, don’t you. Once the immunizations are underway, it is likely to have cases popping up each year, like other coronaviruses, in non immunized people. But it will get to the stage that we aren’t actually testing for it any more and people will just have a cold because in healthy under 70s it will just manifest like that.
Sure. If everything goes according to plan. But we are not there yet.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:It’s a concern that the virus has escaped again.
You know it is not going to disappear completely, don’t you. Once the immunizations are underway, it is likely to have cases popping up each year, like other coronaviruses, in non immunized people. But it will get to the stage that we aren’t actually testing for it any more and people will just have a cold because in healthy under 70s it will just manifest like that.
like SARS the original hey
I don’t think SARS the original was commonly low to no symptoms. It had quite a high kill rate. But my goodness…look at MERS.
This link is not up to date for COVID19, but the case fatality rate has changed since this was written to mostly under 5% (second link), simply because of the large number of cases recorded by comparison to the other two.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-sars-and-mers-compare-with-covid-19
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-covid-19-vs-case-fatality-rate
Having worked in safety critical industries for many years there are things that really stick in my mind. I spent some time with a retired engineer called Allan Macdonald who worked on the space shuttle Challenger in the 1980s. The Challenger exploded on launch, killing seven astronauts. The disaster was not only a tragedy, but a cultural shift for NASA. The political pressures to launch Challenger overrode safety concerns. But Allan MacDonald’s words stuck with me. “Suddenly it was about proving launching would be dangerous, in the past we had to prove things were safe.” In the pressure of politics, NASA effectively abandoned the precautionary principle.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1998/03/the-lessons-of-valujet-592/306534/
As a reconstruction of this terrible crash suggests, in complex systems some accidents may be “normal“—and trying to prevent them all could even make operations more dangerous
The ValuJet accident is different. I would argue that it represents the third and most elusive kind of disaster, a “system accident,” which may lie beyond the reach of conventional solution, and which a small group of thinkers, inspired by the Yale sociologist Charles Perrow, has been exploring elsewhere—for example, in power generation, chemical manufacturing, nuclear-weapons control, and space flight. Perrow has coined the more loaded term “normal accident” for such disasters, because he believes that they are normal for our time. His point is that these accidents are science’s illegitimate children, bastards born of the confusion that lies within the complex organizations with which we manage our dangerous technologies. Perrow is not an expert on commercial flying, but his thinking applies to it nonetheless. In this case the organization includes not only ValuJet, the archetype of new-style airlines, but also the contractors that serve it and the government entities that, despite economic deregulation, are expected to oversee it. Taken as a whole, the airline system is complex indeed.
We can find fault among those directly involved—and we probably need to. But if our purpose is to attack the roots of such an accident, we may find them so entwined with the system that they are impossible to extract without toppling the whole structure. In the case of ValuJet the study of system accidents presents us with the possibility that we have come to depend on flight, that unless we are willing to end our affordable airline system as we know it, we cannot stop the occasional sacrifice. Beyond the questions of blame, it requires us to consider that our solutions, by adding to the complexity and obscurity of the airline business, may actually increase the risk of accidents. System-accident thinking does not demand that we accept our fate without a struggle, but it serves as an important caution.
Charles Perrow’s thinking is more difficult for pilots like me to accept. Perrow came unintentionally to his theory about normal accidents after studying the failings of large organizations. His point is not that some technologies are riskier than others, which is obvious, but that the control and operation of some of the riskiest technologies require organizations so complex that serious failures are virtually guaranteed to occur. Those failures will occasionally combine in unforeseeable ways, and if they induce further failures in an operating environment of tightly interrelated processes, the failures will spin out of control, defeating all interventions. The resulting accidents are inevitable, Perrow asserts, because they emerge from the venture itself. You cannot eliminate one without killing the other.
The truth helps, because in our frustration with such system accidents we may be tempted to invent solutions that, by adding to the obscurity and complexity of the system, may aggravate just those characteristics that led to the accidents in the first place. This argument for a theoretical point of diminishing safety is a central part of Perrow’s thinking, and it seems to be borne out in practice. In his exploration of the North American early-warning system Sagan found that the failures of safety devices and backup systems gave the most dangerous false indications of missile attack—the kind that could have triggered a response. The radiation accidents at Chernobyl and Three Mile Island were both induced by failures in the safety systems. Remember also that the ValuJet oxygen generators were safety devices, that they were backup systems, and that they were removed from the MD-80s because of regulations limiting their useful lives. This is not an argument against such devices but a reminder that elaboration comes at a price.
Human reactions add to the problem. Administrators can think up impressive chains of command and control, and impose complex double checks and procedures on an operating system, and they can load the structure with redundancies, but on the receiving end there comes a point—in the privacy of a hangar or a cockpit—beyond which people rebel. These rebellions are now common throughout the airline business—and, indeed, throughout society. They result in unpredictable and arbitrary actions, all the more so because in the modern, insecure workplace they remain undeclared. The one thing that always gets done is the required paperwork.
Paperwork is a necessary and inevitable part of the system, but it, too, introduces dangers. The problem is not just the burden that it places on practical operations but also the deception that it breeds. The two unfortunate mechanics who signed off on the nonexistent safety caps just happened to be the slowest to slip away when the supervisors needed signatures. The other mechanics almost certainly would have signed too, as did the inspectors. Their good old-fashioned pencil-whipping is perhaps the most widespread form of Vaughan’s “normalization of deviance.” The falsification they committed was part of a larger deception—the creation of an entire pretend reality that includes unworkable chains of command, unlearnable training programs, unreadable manuals, and the fiction of regulations, checks, and controls. Such pretend realities extend even into the most self-consciously progressive large organizations, with their attempts to formalize informality, to deregulate the workplace, to share profits and responsibilities, to respect the integrity and initiative of the individual. The systems work in principle, and usually in practice as well, but the two may have little to do with each other. Paperwork floats free of the ground and obscures the murky workplaces where, in the confusion of real life, system accidents are born.
Lockdowns: hospitals and aged care in Greater Brisbane.
Three high-risk exposure sites:
Two low risk venues:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/palaszczuk-brisbane-doctor-covid-19-restrictions/13244670
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-qld-doctor-pa/13244666
Michael V said:
Lockdowns: hospitals and aged care in Greater Brisbane.Three high-risk exposure sites:
- The Morning After Cafe at West End from 2:00pm to 3:15pm on Thursday
- Corporate Box gym at Greenslopes between 5:45pm and 7:00pm on Thursday
- Stones Corner Hotel at Stones Corner, between 7:00pm and 7:45pm on Thursday
Two low risk venues:
- McDonalds at Coorparoo between 3:10pm and 3:20pm where the case did drive through.
- The Corporate Box gym after 7:00pm when the case left.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/palaszczuk-brisbane-doctor-covid-19-restrictions/13244670
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-qld-doctor-pa/13244666
thanks
will it be a case of whip out the masks for the week again, or are they avoiding looking like this is serious
(we mean if it works for Mainland Taiwan, West Taiwan, Mainland Empire Of The Rising Sun*, Peninsular Empire Of The Rising Sun*, French Indotaiwan, et cetera then there must be some value in wearing masks right)
*: OK maybe didn’t quite work so well in these places
Michael V said:
Lockdowns: hospitals and aged care in Greater Brisbane.Three high-risk exposure sites:
- The Morning After Cafe at West End from 2:00pm to 3:15pm on Thursday
- Corporate Box gym at Greenslopes between 5:45pm and 7:00pm on Thursday
- Stones Corner Hotel at Stones Corner, between 7:00pm and 7:45pm on Thursday
Two low risk venues:
- McDonalds at Coorparoo between 3:10pm and 3:20pm where the case did drive through.
- The Corporate Box gym after 7:00pm when the case left.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/palaszczuk-brisbane-doctor-covid-19-restrictions/13244670
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-qld-doctor-pa/13244666
…… and weez woz gunna go the The Gabba next Satdee night for the first footy of the season. Swannies V Brisbane.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Lockdowns: hospitals and aged care in Greater Brisbane.Three high-risk exposure sites:
- The Morning After Cafe at West End from 2:00pm to 3:15pm on Thursday
- Corporate Box gym at Greenslopes between 5:45pm and 7:00pm on Thursday
- Stones Corner Hotel at Stones Corner, between 7:00pm and 7:45pm on Thursday
Two low risk venues:
- McDonalds at Coorparoo between 3:10pm and 3:20pm where the case did drive through.
- The Corporate Box gym after 7:00pm when the case left.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/palaszczuk-brisbane-doctor-covid-19-restrictions/13244670
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-qld-doctor-pa/13244666
…… and weez woz gunna go the The Gabba next Satdee night for the first footy of the season. Swannies V Brisbane.
Bloody.
Still, they’ve jumped onto the primary case fast. With luck, it may not have spread. But, it’s likely the UK high-transmission variant, so I guess it could have spread. We’ll know more in the coming days.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Lockdowns: hospitals and aged care in Greater Brisbane.Three high-risk exposure sites:
- The Morning After Cafe at West End from 2:00pm to 3:15pm on Thursday
- Corporate Box gym at Greenslopes between 5:45pm and 7:00pm on Thursday
- Stones Corner Hotel at Stones Corner, between 7:00pm and 7:45pm on Thursday
Two low risk venues:
- McDonalds at Coorparoo between 3:10pm and 3:20pm where the case did drive through.
- The Corporate Box gym after 7:00pm when the case left.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/palaszczuk-brisbane-doctor-covid-19-restrictions/13244670
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-13/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-qld-doctor-pa/13244666
…… and weez woz gunna go the The Gabba next Satdee night for the first footy of the season. Swannies V Brisbane.
Bloody.
Still, they’ve jumped onto the primary case fast. With luck, it may not have spread. But, it’s likely the UK high-transmission variant, so I guess it could have spread. We’ll know more in the coming days.
Ain’t got tickets yet. Ticketmaster says not many left. I think they’re running The Gabba at pretty close to capacity too.
Major Sports Stadiums include facilities managed by Stadiums Queensland (for example: North Queensland Stadium (Queensland Country Bank Stadium), The Gabba, Suncorp Stadium, Metricon Stadium, Queensland Tennis Centre).
Occupant density means:
no more than one person per 2 square metres for areas open to or used by guests or patrons, whether indoors or outdoors; or
Example for (a): an area open to or used by guests or patrons of a café or restaurant is the dining area but not the kitchen.
up to 100 per cent of seated venue capacity provided patrons are in ticketed and allocated seating.
