Does gender grooming create an unbalance? Does it create a social bias? Does it segregate?

Think of a group of animals, mixed males and females , they moslty have similar social values. Gender values are not enhanced in any way.

But what if one comes along though and turbo charges gender values, is that abnormal behaviour for a parent to push gender grooming, enhancing particular traits and behaviours, how bad is it?

To what extent does it damage someone and are they then a victim?

Should it be considered a crime if it enhances someone to have unbalanced gender traits later in life?

Can gender grooming be reversed somehow, back to a norm?

How much does the role of gender grooming early in life have in gender discrimination later in life?

Does it damage normal interaction between genders?

Should all that be a part of the crime? learning something which can cause biased discrimination based on learnt values?

life influences the living, it’s an incredible thing

has heterosexualization (make up a word, binary whatever) been influential in socialization (been a cultural force), well yeah

could it swing the other way to gender neutering, possibly

experiments of complete gender neutrality (sexual egalitarianism) in socialization are difficult to do, there possibly could be some ethical problems also

but you know there’s some big experiments happening these days that could be considered a social constructionist dream

you can’t have laws for everything I keep mentioning, not sure where that bullshit idea comes from

Homosexuality is not a gender.

Wikipedia has no entry for gender grooming, if anyone is interested.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Think of a group of animals, mixed males and females , they moslty have similar social values. Gender values are not enhanced in any way.

that’s not true.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Should it be considered a crime if it enhances someone to have unbalanced gender traits later in life?

how are you going to measure that? what is the statute of limitations on claim?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can gender grooming be reversed somehow, back to a norm?

check out the story of David Reimer… they thought gender assignment can be learned.. but they were wrong.

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Think of a group of animals, mixed males and females , they moslty have similar social values. Gender values are not enhanced in any way.

that’s not true.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Should it be considered a crime if it enhances someone to have unbalanced gender traits later in life?

how are you going to measure that? what is the statute of limitations on claim?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can gender grooming be reversed somehow, back to a norm?

check out the story of David Reimer… they thought gender assignment can be learned.. but they were wrong.

So so wrong.
in so many ways.

Not sure why any parent would gender groom their children, about the only thing that rings true for gender is males are generally physically stronger than women.
Don’t have much control over others doing it besides calling them out

Cymek said:

Not sure why any parent would gender groom their children, about the only thing that rings true for gender is males are generally physically stronger than women.
Don’t have much control over others doing it besides calling them out

Barbie dolls for girls, tonka trucks for boys.

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Not sure why any parent would gender groom their children, about the only thing that rings true for gender is males are generally physically stronger than women.
Don’t have much control over others doing it besides calling them out

Barbie dolls for girls, tonka trucks for boys.

We was too poor for toys.

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Not sure why any parent would gender groom their children, about the only thing that rings true for gender is males are generally physically stronger than women.
Don’t have much control over others doing it besides calling them out

Barbie dolls for girls, tonka trucks for boys.

Yes its nonsense.
I do martial arts weapons training with my daughter she likes all that sort of thing

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Not sure why any parent would gender groom their children, about the only thing that rings true for gender is males are generally physically stronger than women.
Don’t have much control over others doing it besides calling them out

Barbie dolls for girls, tonka trucks for boys.

I seem to recall buying a Tonka truck for my first niece for her birthday (she is now 33). I’m not entirely sure it was appreciated, particularly by her father, who was very egotistical. Which, of course, was at least partly why I did it. But also because her mother (my sister) was the first girl to insist on doing woodwork instead of sewing at our high school. She has grown into a very thoughtful adult.

buffy said:

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Not sure why any parent would gender groom their children, about the only thing that rings true for gender is males are generally physically stronger than women.
Don’t have much control over others doing it besides calling them out

Barbie dolls for girls, tonka trucks for boys.

I seem to recall buying a Tonka truck for my first niece for her birthday (she is now 33). I’m not entirely sure it was appreciated, particularly by her father, who was very egotistical. Which, of course, was at least partly why I did it. But also because her mother (my sister) was the first girl to insist on doing woodwork instead of sewing at our high school. She has grown into a very thoughtful adult.

with daughter when little i’d get the black and brown texta and give barbie some facial freckles, she did same thing with barbies of her defacto daughter, or defacto step daughter

it has come up in conversation a few times

to cymek’s point
>about the only thing that rings true for gender is males are generally physically stronger than women”

i’d argue native gender overlap (similarities) are probably more real and common than current issues might indicate, I mean we all are descended of equal number males and females, ancestors going right back before even primates, so it’s probably useful to some extent to consider humans as bisexual in a sense, to degree, if I can use that term outside sexual orientation for my purpose there (a composite perhaps, better said). Anyway the nurturement environments of humans are substantially diverse regard their own, of their own, for their own, potentials, extending to intellectual and highly specialized pursuits. Culture can probably be seen as the broader ways of the nurturement environment, or nurturement landscape if you will

subject differences of the sexes, there probably are some that might be generalized to exist, but you’d need something resembling a stereotype maybe, or normal position within a set of characteristics, to compare from, and i’m not entirely sure how useful that would be, or what it might lend to out in the wild

i’m not sure today the kindredness of the sexes is getting much attention, the impression I get is that it’s not entirely helpful, to talk of men and women as two distinct types, two groups, it’s damaging in my opinion