Date: 23/05/2010 18:08:09
From: pain master
ID: 90460
Subject: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

bubba louie said:


Dinetta said:

pepe said:

good list.
pandanus and custard apple are what? trees – grasses??

good eating to yus. ms pepe is cooking a curry using her new mortar and pestel. smells great.
can you grow nutmeg/ mace – or is that just a dream?

Whaaaat? Pandanus is a palm! and custard apples are a fruit…surely you jest with that question, Pepe??? yeah?

Is pandanus classed as a palm? It doesn’t look like one.

Leonard Cronin says in “Australian Palms Ferns Cycads and Pandans” that “It also includes members of the interesting and unusual palm-like groups, the pandans and cycads, linked to the ferns and other ancient orders of seed-bearing plants by their mobile swimming sperm which require water to enable them to reach and fertilise the egg nucleus.”

Where Colin Tudge in “The Tree” says “So to the Pandanales, with the single family of the Pandanaceae, colloquially known as screw pines. The “screw” is understandable, since the tops of the stems are twisted and the long, narrow leaves, which in reality are in three rows, seem to form a spiral. The “pine” is incomprehensible. “Palm” would have been closer, since many of the Pandanaceae resemble palms…”

he goes on to say “But screw pines ar enot closely related to palms, and indeed have no close relatives at all.”

later he says “Where screw pines flourish, palms can’t get a look in.”

and he finishes up with “It’s odd that such a significant group of plants – some of them big trees – are so little known outside botanic circles. People probably mistake them for palms.”

I chuckle at the last statement because Tudge’s sense of humour is apparent throughout this book and its comments like these that bring an odd type of reality. I guess several years ago before moving to the tropics I too would have suggested that pandans would be lumped in with the palms, but since have learnt that there is more to pandans that meet the eye and palms they certainly are not.

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Date: 23/05/2010 18:46:42
From: Dinetta
ID: 90478
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

Thanks for that post, Pain Master…interesting to think that all my life, pandanus is synonymous with palms, and I guess they do look kind of palm-like…but I was remembering earlier this afternong that palms are dicots, and the pandanus is monocot…

Not many of the general populace would care about the distinction, but amongst us here, the botanics of the matter is of interest…

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Date: 23/05/2010 18:51:56
From: pain master
ID: 90483
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

Dinetta said:


Thanks for that post, Pain Master…interesting to think that all my life, pandanus is synonymous with palms, and I guess they do look kind of palm-like…but I was remembering earlier this afternong that palms are dicots, and the pandanus is monocot…

Not many of the general populace would care about the distinction, but amongst us here, the botanics of the matter is of interest…

Au contraire, the palm is a monocot.

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Date: 23/05/2010 18:52:06
From: bluegreen
ID: 90484
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

I bet they still won’t grow in Melbourne though….

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Date: 23/05/2010 18:54:07
From: pain master
ID: 90488
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

you’re probably right BG, Even wandering around the Canberra Bot Gardens recently, I noted a lack of Pandans…

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Date: 23/05/2010 18:56:44
From: Dinetta
ID: 90493
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

pain master said:


Dinetta said:

Thanks for that post, Pain Master…interesting to think that all my life, pandanus is synonymous with palms, and I guess they do look kind of palm-like…but I was remembering earlier this afternong that palms are dicots, and the pandanus is monocot…

Not many of the general populace would care about the distinction, but amongst us here, the botanics of the matter is of interest…

Au contraire, the palm is a monocot.

Damn! and I was so chuffed with myself…is it the zamias that are dicots? do I need to go back to wiki and read up on this?

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Date: 23/05/2010 19:00:38
From: pain master
ID: 90500
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

Dinetta said:


pain master said:

Dinetta said:

Thanks for that post, Pain Master…interesting to think that all my life, pandanus is synonymous with palms, and I guess they do look kind of palm-like…but I was remembering earlier this afternong that palms are dicots, and the pandanus is monocot…

Not many of the general populace would care about the distinction, but amongst us here, the botanics of the matter is of interest…

Au contraire, the palm is a monocot.

Damn! and I was so chuffed with myself…is it the zamias that are dicots? do I need to go back to wiki and read up on this?

Zamias? Do they sell carpets?

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Date: 24/05/2010 06:50:04
From: Dinetta
ID: 90522
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

pain master said:

Zamias? Do they sell carpets?

Wash your mouth out …

Here: Zamias as explained in Wikipedia

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Date: 24/05/2010 06:50:51
From: Dinetta
ID: 90523
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

Dinetta said:


pain master said:

Zamias? Do they sell carpets?

Wash your mouth out …

Here: Zamias as explained in Wikipedia

(am I good, or what? No more looooong URLs!)

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Date: 24/05/2010 07:00:27
From: Dinetta
ID: 90527
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

Dinetta said:


Dinetta said:

pain master said:

Zamias? Do they sell carpets?

Wash your mouth out …

Here: Zamias as explained in Wikipedia

(am I good, or what? No more looooong URLs!)

OK, trying again with a slash at the end of the URL

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Date: 24/05/2010 07:02:23
From: Dinetta
ID: 90528
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

Dinetta said:


Dinetta said:

Dinetta said:

Wash your mouth out …

Here: Zamias as explained in Wikipedia

(am I good, or what? No more looooong URLs!)

OK, trying again with a slash at the end of the URL

What am I doing wrong, people? Why won’t the link name work??

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Date: 24/05/2010 07:03:56
From: Dinetta
ID: 90529
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

It was my wireless router…sorry ….

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Date: 24/05/2010 07:54:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 90530
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

macro-zamia?

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Date: 24/05/2010 08:47:11
From: Dinetta
ID: 90532
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

roughbarked said:


macro-zamia?

Here:
Macrozamias

The pandanus isn’t mentioned here…

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Date: 24/05/2010 17:45:33
From: pain master
ID: 90597
Subject: re: Pandanus Vis-à-vis Palms

Dinetta said:


pain master said:

Zamias? Do they sell carpets?

Wash your mouth out …

Here: Zamias as explained in Wikipedia

Sorry, it were the Zappias who sold carpets…

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