Let’s start the new week/thread with another escape.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/nsw-records-one-new-covid-19-case-in-hotel-quarantine-worker/13246856
Hang on:
“Stephen Conaty from NSW Health said the person worked at two Sydney hotels with returned overseas travellers.”
I though the gold standard was for people to only work at one site? Isn’t NSW gold standard any more?
buffy said:
Let’s start the new week/thread with another escape.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/nsw-records-one-new-covid-19-case-in-hotel-quarantine-worker/13246856
Hang on:
“Stephen Conaty from NSW Health said the person worked at two Sydney hotels with returned overseas travellers.”
I though the gold standard was for people to only work at one site? Isn’t NSW gold standard any more?
More like FeS 2
Tamb said:
buffy said:
Let’s start the new week/thread with another escape.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/nsw-records-one-new-covid-19-case-in-hotel-quarantine-worker/13246856
Hang on:
“Stephen Conaty from NSW Health said the person worked at two Sydney hotels with returned overseas travellers.”
I though the gold standard was for people to only work at one site? Isn’t NSW gold standard any more?
More like FeS 2
¡ Pyrrhic Standard !
we thought it was like the waiter fly soup thing, they couldn’t stand missing out after QLD had some
more to come
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:
Let’s start the new week/thread with another escape.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/nsw-records-one-new-covid-19-case-in-hotel-quarantine-worker/13246856
Hang on:
“Stephen Conaty from NSW Health said the person worked at two Sydney hotels with returned overseas travellers.”
I though the gold standard was for people to only work at one site? Isn’t NSW gold standard any more?
More like FeS 2
¡ Pyrrhic Standard !
we thought it was like the waiter fly soup thing, they couldn’t stand missing out after QLD had some
NSW Health would not provide any further information on the hotel worker, however Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the individual had received their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination. ‘This is an important point, the vaccination is not immediate. I have had my second dose and it does take a while,” Mr Morrison said, moments after receiving the jab. “You should still try to observe the COVID-safe behaviours — I’m wearing a mask today.”
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oh, not so clever now are we, oh, a supposedly 98% effective Pfizer is actually not protecting people
oh, maybe AstraZeneca is going to be better, bet you everyone lied and Oxford did it right
oh, time to throw the floodgates open once everyone’s been vaccinated (in 5 years) hey
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¿ remember when remote quarantine and get everyone sorted as fast as possible and then sit tight was the best idea ?
yeah that was 1 year ago and it’s still the best idea
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:More like FeS 2
¡ Pyrrhic Standard !
we thought it was like the waiter fly soup thing, they couldn’t stand missing out after QLD had some
NSW Health would not provide any further information on the hotel worker, however Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the individual had received their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination. ‘This is an important point, the vaccination is not immediate. I have had my second dose and it does take a while,” Mr Morrison said, moments after receiving the jab. “You should still try to observe the COVID-safe behaviours — I’m wearing a mask today.”
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oh, not so clever now are we, oh, a supposedly 98% effective Pfizer is actually not protecting people
oh, maybe AstraZeneca is going to be better, bet you everyone lied and Oxford did it right
oh, time to throw the floodgates open once everyone’s been vaccinated (in 5 years) hey
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¿ remember when remote quarantine and get everyone sorted as fast as possible and then sit tight was the best idea ?
yeah that was 1 year ago and it’s still the best idea
vaccination schedule is lagging badly.
more of a mix
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Queensland Health has confirmed today the doctor does have the UK strain of COVID-19
well, well, well
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“Genomic sequencing hasn’t quite confirmed the link — there wasn’t enough virus — but what the laboratory was able to do was what we call partially sequence indicates there is a link between that healthcare worker and one of the cases she assessed,” Dr Bennett said.
good
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Hotel Grand Chancellor back in lockdown
“Unfortunately, there was another new case that we announced yesterday and the whole genomic sequencing also indicates that case may be potentially linked to that first case — that is under review.
“They both travelled through the same area on the way and this new case from yesterday tested positive on what we call day 12 — it was their exit test and they were symptomatic.
did someone say remote quarantine
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Queensland Health said the doctor was wearing personal protective equipment (PPE) and there had been no identified breaches. “All our hospitals in Queensland follow the national guidelines, and there’ve been national guidelines that have been continually revised with respect to COVID,” Dr Bennett said.
Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said she “absolutely refutes” the Australian Medical Association’s assertion that PPE was not adequate. “We comply with the national guidelines and standards — I think we have to be careful in making assumptions about what has happened in this individual case,” Ms D’Ath said.
as you all know, being a LABOR state we are going to say yeah, they complied with guidelines so it’s all right then, we can keep hiding behind guidelines, oh wait maybe the guidelines still aren’t perfect it says national after all
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United Workers Union national ambulance coordinator Fiona Scanlon said ambulance ramping had increased while patients were being limited to the Princess Alexandra Hospital. “This has created an extra demand at other hospitals, including increased ramping at the RBWH ,” she said.
nah you should just keep sending them there, let it rip, there won’t be a ramping extra demand problem then, no excess deaths, no nothing, that’s what all the other countries are telling us
With apologies if I’ve whinged about this before: I was watching footage of the front door and reception area at a quarantine hotel on the news last week and couldn’t help but notice the number of people with their masks down, wrong mask, or making basic errors in barrier control. They have dropped the ball on compliance. What is to prevent a person who has sat in a room for 14 days getting infected by contact on their way out?
After the fuck-ups we’ve already had in Melbourne, and the huge penalty we paid for them….
/rant.
Rule 303 said:
With apologies if I’ve whinged about this before: I was watching footage of the front door and reception area at a quarantine hotel on the news last week and couldn’t help but notice the number of people with their masks down, wrong mask, or making basic errors in barrier control. They have dropped the ball on compliance. What is to prevent a person who has sat in a room for 14 days getting infected by contact on their way out?After the fuck-ups we’ve already had in Melbourne, and the huge penalty we paid for them….
/rant.
Super spreaders, shame on them.
Rule 303 said:
With apologies if I’ve whinged about this before: I was watching footage of the front door and reception area at a quarantine hotel on the news last week and couldn’t help but notice the number of people with their masks down, wrong mask, or making basic errors in barrier control. They have dropped the ball on compliance. What is to prevent a person who has sat in a room for 14 days getting infected by contact on their way out?After the fuck-ups we’ve already had in Melbourne, and the huge penalty we paid for them….
/rant.
So much TV footage of people with masks on, but not covering nose. It’s concerning.
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
With apologies if I’ve whinged about this before: I was watching footage of the front door and reception area at a quarantine hotel on the news last week and couldn’t help but notice the number of people with their masks down, wrong mask, or making basic errors in barrier control. They have dropped the ball on compliance. What is to prevent a person who has sat in a room for 14 days getting infected by contact on their way out?After the fuck-ups we’ve already had in Melbourne, and the huge penalty we paid for them….
/rant.
So much TV footage of people with masks on, but not covering nose. It’s concerning.
Must be the best way to do it, we have hardly any locally acquired covid cases…
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
With apologies if I’ve whinged about this before: I was watching footage of the front door and reception area at a quarantine hotel on the news last week and couldn’t help but notice the number of people with their masks down, wrong mask, or making basic errors in barrier control. They have dropped the ball on compliance. What is to prevent a person who has sat in a room for 14 days getting infected by contact on their way out?After the fuck-ups we’ve already had in Melbourne, and the huge penalty we paid for them….
/rant.
So much TV footage of people with masks on, but not covering nose. It’s concerning.
I notice a lot of people plucking at their masks and then not reaching for their hand sanitizer, something Anthony Fauci was warning about this time last year.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
With apologies if I’ve whinged about this before: I was watching footage of the front door and reception area at a quarantine hotel on the news last week and couldn’t help but notice the number of people with their masks down, wrong mask, or making basic errors in barrier control. They have dropped the ball on compliance. What is to prevent a person who has sat in a room for 14 days getting infected by contact on their way out?After the fuck-ups we’ve already had in Melbourne, and the huge penalty we paid for them….
/rant.
So much TV footage of people with masks on, but not covering nose. It’s concerning.
Must be the best way to do it, we have hardly any locally acquired covid cases…
Been working here too. Haven’t had a local in town test positive. Ever. And only two in Hamilton, now over twelve months ago. And one of them brought it home from overseas and kindly shared it with his wife. And there is a lot of creative mask wearing here.
Ian said:
Michael V said:
Rule 303 said:
With apologies if I’ve whinged about this before: I was watching footage of the front door and reception area at a quarantine hotel on the news last week and couldn’t help but notice the number of people with their masks down, wrong mask, or making basic errors in barrier control. They have dropped the ball on compliance. What is to prevent a person who has sat in a room for 14 days getting infected by contact on their way out?After the fuck-ups we’ve already had in Melbourne, and the huge penalty we paid for them….
/rant.
So much TV footage of people with masks on, but not covering nose. It’s concerning.
I notice a lot of people plucking at their masks and then not reaching for their hand sanitizer, something Anthony Fauci was warning about this time last year.
I had a lot of trouble with my mask wearing in Warrnambool last week. We are at the wear a mask in supermarkets and department stores level. But the weather was such that wearing a mask made my nose run and my mouth area sweat. So I was having to remove and wipe rather too often for comfort. As we were walking for 5km into, around and out of town again, I’m damn glad we aren’t at the wear a mask all the time level. Because it would have been impossible.
buffy said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:So much TV footage of people with masks on, but not covering nose. It’s concerning.
I notice a lot of people plucking at their masks and then not reaching for their hand sanitizer, something Anthony Fauci was warning about this time last year.
I had a lot of trouble with my mask wearing in Warrnambool last week. We are at the wear a mask in supermarkets and department stores level. But the weather was such that wearing a mask made my nose run and my mouth area sweat. So I was having to remove and wipe rather too often for comfort. As we were walking for 5km into, around and out of town again, I’m damn glad we aren’t at the wear a mask all the time level. Because it would have been impossible.
I have some underwater diving gear you can borrow when the mask gets too uncomfortable.
NT’s delayed AstraZeneca vaccines were never ordered, federal government says
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/nt-astrazeneca-covid-vaccines-delayed/13247012
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Ian said:I notice a lot of people plucking at their masks and then not reaching for their hand sanitizer, something Anthony Fauci was warning about this time last year.
I had a lot of trouble with my mask wearing in Warrnambool last week. We are at the wear a mask in supermarkets and department stores level. But the weather was such that wearing a mask made my nose run and my mouth area sweat. So I was having to remove and wipe rather too often for comfort. As we were walking for 5km into, around and out of town again, I’m damn glad we aren’t at the wear a mask all the time level. Because it would have been impossible.
I have some underwater diving gear you can borrow when the mask gets too uncomfortable.
Gave away my mask and snorkel years ago. I wasn’t going to use them. The rising panic could not be beaten.
And dammit, now I can’t find my favourite light muslin mask. I’ll have to make another one. I’m sure I washed it and put it to be ironed, and I can’t find it.
sarahs mum said:
NT’s delayed AstraZeneca vaccines were never ordered, federal government says
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-14/nt-astrazeneca-covid-vaccines-delayed/13247012
watch them turn this into “no really this is actually we listened to the experts telling us not to get an ineffective vaccine” for fun
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:I had a lot of trouble with my mask wearing in Warrnambool last week. We are at the wear a mask in supermarkets and department stores level. But the weather was such that wearing a mask made my nose run and my mouth area sweat. So I was having to remove and wipe rather too often for comfort. As we were walking for 5km into, around and out of town again, I’m damn glad we aren’t at the wear a mask all the time level. Because it would have been impossible.
I have some underwater diving gear you can borrow when the mask gets too uncomfortable.
Gave away my mask and snorkel years ago. I wasn’t going to use them. The rising panic could not be beaten.
And dammit, now I can’t find my favourite light muslin mask. I’ll have to make another one. I’m sure I washed it and put it to be ironed, and I can’t find it.
It’s in amongst your paper shopping bags.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I have some underwater diving gear you can borrow when the mask gets too uncomfortable.
Gave away my mask and snorkel years ago. I wasn’t going to use them. The rising panic could not be beaten.
And dammit, now I can’t find my favourite light muslin mask. I’ll have to make another one. I’m sure I washed it and put it to be ironed, and I can’t find it.
It’s in amongst your paper shopping bags.
You know…I didn’t look there. But no. It’s not.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-new-case/13247782
Ooh, ooh, ooh! It’s a security guard. In NSW. Um….
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-new-case/13247782Ooh, ooh, ooh! It’s a security guard. In NSW. Um….
It’s bad enough that they use powerless rent-a-cops to ‘enforce’ the quarantining, but they’ve got to stop shunting them around from site to site.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-new-case/13247782Ooh, ooh, ooh! It’s a security guard. In NSW. Um….
It’s bad enough that they use powerless rent-a-cops to ‘enforce’ the quarantining, but they’ve got to stop shunting them around from site to site.
But we found that out months ago. At least if finger pointing is going to happen, the ones pointing the fingers might learn from what they say are our “mistakes”.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-new-case/13247782Ooh, ooh, ooh! It’s a security guard. In NSW. Um….
It’s bad enough that they use powerless rent-a-cops to ‘enforce’ the quarantining, but they’ve got to stop shunting them around from site to site.
But we found that out months ago. At least if finger pointing is going to happen, the ones pointing the fingers might learn from what they say are our “mistakes”.
don’t worry they still win
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid-19-latest-sydney-new-case/13247782Ooh, ooh, ooh! It’s a security guard. In NSW. Um….
It’s bad enough that they use powerless rent-a-cops to ‘enforce’ the quarantining, but they’ve got to stop shunting them around from site to site.
But we found that out months ago. At least if finger pointing is going to happen, the ones pointing the fingers might learn from what they say are our “mistakes”.
Vic’s mistakes were (and probably still are) an incompetent public health unit and non existent contact tracing, somewhat lucky the Ruby Princess debacle happened in NSW…
Are vaccines purchases like military weapons purchases can only buy from our buddies not the baddies
Cymek said:
Are vaccines purchases like military weapons purchases can only buy from our buddies not the baddies
what if your buddies are the baddies
Cymek said:
Are vaccines purchases like military weapons purchases can only buy from our buddies not the baddies
Seems that way, there’d be no way of telling how much autism is in say the Chinese vaccine that they sold to us.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Are vaccines purchases like military weapons purchases can only buy from our buddies not the baddies
what if your buddies are the baddies
Yes
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Are vaccines purchases like military weapons purchases can only buy from our buddies not the baddies
what if your buddies are the baddies
Cymek said:
Are vaccines purchases like military weapons purchases can only buy from our buddies not the baddies
Not really. They just need to be approved by our government regulator, even though the same process was done by the EU and the US and Japanese authorities and others. The baddies can’t be arsed, or they have something to hide about the actual effectiveness of their vaccine.
Gold Standard Gladys has pleaded for caution over any potential changes to border controls and urged state governments across Australia to “give us a chance” before making any decisions over borders.
Higheswt Australoia flu levels since April 2020.
Brazil going from bad to wo0rse.
lol
sorry actually we mean
holy fk
a smattering of your ABC news
Ireland became the latest country to stop using AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine, joining Denmark, Norway and Iceland.
Italy’s northern region of Piedmont also said it would stop using a batch of AstraZeneca coronavirus shots after a teacher died following his vaccination on Saturday.
The European Medicines Agency has said there is no indication that blood clotting issues were caused by the vaccination, a view echoed by the World Health Organization.
personal disclaimer, we don’t administer vaccines
—⚠ this post may contain sarcasm
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/beijing-choked-by-the-worst-dust-storm-in-a-decade/13250174
why else would they be wearing masks then eh
oh that’s right it’s probably chemical warfare from the terrorists in the Western Zones
The National Meteorological Centre forecasted the sand and dust would affect 12 provinces and regions from Xinjiang in the far north-west to Heilongjiang in the north-east and the eastern coastal port city of Tianjin.
SCIENCE said:
a smattering of your ABC newsNo Really It Doesn’t Spread Between Humans, And The Vaccine Doesn’t Kill You With Clots, The WHO Told Us
Ireland became the latest country to stop using AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine, joining Denmark, Norway and Iceland.
Italy’s northern region of Piedmont also said it would stop using a batch of AstraZeneca coronavirus shots after a teacher died following his vaccination on Saturday.
The European Medicines Agency has said there is no indication that blood clotting issues were caused by the vaccination, a view echoed by the World Health Organization.
personal disclaimer, we don’t administer vaccines
all right check out this pile on, now they’re just following the ring leaders
The European Union’s four largest nations have suspended the use of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine after reports in some European countries of serious side effects in recipients. But the World Health Organization urged calm, saying there is no proven link between the vaccine and reported side-effects.
Germany, Italy and France announced they would be pausing their rollout of the vaccine pending an assessment from the European Medicines Agency (EMA). Spain suspended the use of the vaccine for at least two weeks. Cyprus and Slovenia also announced they would be putting use of the vaccine on hold.
The UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), which was the first in the world to approve the AstraZeneca vaccine for use, said it was closely reviewing the reports but urged people to continue to get their shots. “Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon,” Dr Phil Bryan, head of vaccine safety at the MHRA, said in a statement. “More than 11 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca have now been administered across the UK, and the number of blood clots reported after having the vaccine is not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the vaccinated population. Other licensed COVID-19 vaccines have reported similar rates of clotting in patients who have been vaccinated, according to AstraZeneca.
now, Oxford is in the UK areweright, can’t have the local product being … inferior … and more dangerous … can we
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
a smattering of your ABC newsNo Really It Doesn’t Spread Between Humans, And The Vaccine Doesn’t Kill You With Clots, The WHO Told Us
Ireland became the latest country to stop using AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine, joining Denmark, Norway and Iceland.
Italy’s northern region of Piedmont also said it would stop using a batch of AstraZeneca coronavirus shots after a teacher died following his vaccination on Saturday.
The European Medicines Agency has said there is no indication that blood clotting issues were caused by the vaccination, a view echoed by the World Health Organization.
personal disclaimer, we don’t administer vaccines
all right check out this pile on, now they’re just following the ring leaders
The European Union’s four largest nations have suspended the use of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine after reports in some European countries of serious side effects in recipients. But the World Health Organization urged calm, saying there is no proven link between the vaccine and reported side-effects.
Germany, Italy and France announced they would be pausing their rollout of the vaccine pending an assessment from the European Medicines Agency (EMA). Spain suspended the use of the vaccine for at least two weeks. Cyprus and Slovenia also announced they would be putting use of the vaccine on hold.
The UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), which was the first in the world to approve the AstraZeneca vaccine for use, said it was closely reviewing the reports but urged people to continue to get their shots. “Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon,” Dr Phil Bryan, head of vaccine safety at the MHRA, said in a statement. “More than 11 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca have now been administered across the UK, and the number of blood clots reported after having the vaccine is not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the vaccinated population. Other licensed COVID-19 vaccines have reported similar rates of clotting in patients who have been vaccinated, according to AstraZeneca.
now, Oxford is in the UK areweright, can’t have the local product being … inferior … and more dangerous … can we
we mean
By Jessica Riga
A British virologist says international concerns about the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine causing blood clots must be put in perspective.
Associate professor Sterghios Moschos says 17 million people have received the AstraZeneca jab so far and blood clots have been found in just 37 recipients.
10 European nations have now suspended the AstraZeneca rollout, over Norwegian concerns about blood clots.
Professor Moschos believes anti-vaxxers on the internet pose more of a threat than the vaccine itself.
“We’ve come into this pandemic after decades of people listening to conspiracy theories around the risks of vaccines with regards to other diseases so any kind of very wrong messaging will be very impactful, especially in an effort to try to push back against this pandemic.”
sure, in terms of early consequences then yeah anti-vaxxers on the internet probably do pose more of a threat than the vaccine itself
but thinking more strategically, if you pump people full of ineffective, risky shit then what do you think your “anti-vaxxers on the internet” are going to pick up on when something doesn’t work and then something goes wrong
Queensland reporter Michael Rennie, who said today’s results should provide “a good indication if Brisbane has avoided another potential lockdown”. “We’ve seen 86 of those cases in relation to that doctor who caught the UK strain last week come back as negative. Over 400 people have been contacted in relation to that,” he said.
NSW Health has added a leisure centre and a supermarket in Sydney’s south to a list of places visited by a security guard, now confirmed to have contracted the more infectious UK strain. Genomic testing has confirmed a security guard caught coronavirus from an overseas traveller while working on the 11th floor of Sydney’s Sofitel Wentworth Hotel.
Authorities are at a loss to explain the route of transmission, saying the security guard adhered to all infection protocols and didn’t come within one and a half metres of the infected traveller’s room.
consider the possibility that virus blows around in the air, a possibility that was advanced by researchers maybe 12 months ago, but which would have required authorities to admit that N95 masks were important to use and therefore admit their failure to prepare adequately
Imagine Nationals Being Sensible
However Nationals backbencher Matt Canavan called for the rollout to be paused. “Given we are in a country that does not face an imminent risk of coronavirus spread, surely the prudent approach here is to suspend our rollout and just take heed of the evidence that will emerge in coming months,” he said.
got our approval
SCIENCE said:
Imagine Nationals Being SensibleHowever Nationals backbencher Matt Canavan called for the rollout to be paused. “Given we are in a country that does not face an imminent risk of coronavirus spread, surely the prudent approach here is to suspend our rollout and just take heed of the evidence that will emerge in coming months,” he said.
got our approval
Something quite inconsistent in Canavan’s logic. He was adamant that borders had to be opened and businesses run at seating capacity etc. That seemed wildly imprudent to me.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Imagine Nationals Being SensibleHowever Nationals backbencher Matt Canavan called for the rollout to be paused. “Given we are in a country that does not face an imminent risk of coronavirus spread, surely the prudent approach here is to suspend our rollout and just take heed of the evidence that will emerge in coming months,” he said.
got our approval
Something quite inconsistent in Canavan’s logic. He was adamant that borders had to be opened and businesses run at seating capacity etc. That seemed wildly imprudent to me.
fair call; we dream of a glorious STEMocratic future where ideas are judged on their individual merits, and not through the coloured lenses integuments of those flawed human vessels that carry them
Into the sea you get
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captain_spalding said:
Into the sea you get!
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Into the sea you get!
Doesn’t believe in Covid. Believes in satan. Hmmm.
There needs to be a certain threshold level of intelligence before anyone is entitled to an opinion.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Into the sea you get!
Doesn’t believe in Covid. Believes in satan. Hmmm.There needs to be a certain threshold level of intelligence before anyone is entitled to an opinion.
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:Doesn’t believe in Covid. Believes in satan. Hmmm.
There needs to be a certain threshold level of intelligence before anyone is entitled to an opinion.
A noble philosophy.
I wonder how many people it would affect
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:Doesn’t believe in Covid. Believes in satan. Hmmm.
There needs to be a certain threshold level of intelligence before anyone is entitled to an opinion.
A noble philosophy.
the more complex the issue, the higher the level.
there are many areas where I consider myself unworthy to hold an opinion.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:There needs to be a certain threshold level of intelligence before anyone is entitled to an opinion.
A noble philosophy.the more complex the issue, the higher the level.
there are many areas where I consider myself unworthy to hold an opinion.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:There needs to be a certain threshold level of intelligence before anyone is entitled to an opinion.
A noble philosophy.the more complex the issue, the higher the level.
there are many areas where I consider myself unworthy to hold an opinion.
You can win some arguments if you can get to the Wiki page quick enough.
That should be Obvious.
party_pants said:
Tamb said:
party_pants said:There needs to be a certain threshold level of intelligence before anyone is entitled to an opinion.
A noble philosophy.the more complex the issue, the higher the level.
there are many areas where I consider myself unworthy to hold an opinion.
that’s quitter talk!
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
Tamb said:A noble philosophy.
the more complex the issue, the higher the level.
there are many areas where I consider myself unworthy to hold an opinion.
You can win some arguments if you can get to the Wiki page quick enough.
That should be Obvious.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:the more complex the issue, the higher the level.
there are many areas where I consider myself unworthy to hold an opinion.
You can win some arguments if you can get to the Wiki page quick enough.
That should be Obvious.
He was one of us. Obvious Man.
pardon me, Roy. Evil Roy. Evil Roy Burton.
ChrispenEvan said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:You can win some arguments if you can get to the Wiki page quick enough.
That should be Obvious.
He was one of us. Obvious Man.pardon me, Roy. Evil Roy. Evil Roy Burton.
He was a champion of truth, justice and cold beer.
captain_spalding said:
Into the sea you get!
:)
The German government’s vaccines agency, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, said it had suddenly noticed a “striking accumulation” of cases of a rare kind of blood clot on the brain, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), in people who had just had the vaccine.
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nice
SCIENCE said:
The German government’s vaccines agency, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, said it had suddenly noticed a “striking accumulation” of cases of a rare kind of blood clot on the brain, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), in people who had just had the vaccine.—
nice
So, why do other experts say no to the vaccine and we are saying.. nah keep going?
Given there are a lot more cases overseas where the roll outs of the vaccinations were in progress.
monkey skipper said:
SCIENCE said:
The German government’s vaccines agency, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, said it had suddenly noticed a “striking accumulation” of cases of a rare kind of blood clot on the brain, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), in people who had just had the vaccine.—
nice
So, why do other experts say no to the vaccine and we are saying.. nah keep going?
Given there are a lot more cases overseas where the roll outs of the vaccinations were in progress.
They might be people who had covid prior to being vaccinated.
Isn’t there a cardio vascular issue related to post covid patients?
monkey skipper said:
SCIENCE said:
The German government’s vaccines agency, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, said it had suddenly noticed a “striking accumulation” of cases of a rare kind of blood clot on the brain, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), in people who had just had the vaccine.—
nice
So, why do other experts say no to the vaccine and we are saying.. nah keep going?
Given there are a lot more cases overseas where the roll outs of the vaccinations were in progress.
We’d need to check if their obesity and blood pressure levels or other blood issues were similar to ours to have a real idea.
roughbarked said:
monkey skipper said:
SCIENCE said:
The German government’s vaccines agency, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, said it had suddenly noticed a “striking accumulation” of cases of a rare kind of blood clot on the brain, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), in people who had just had the vaccine.—
nice
So, why do other experts say no to the vaccine and we are saying.. nah keep going?
Given there are a lot more cases overseas where the roll outs of the vaccinations were in progress.
We’d need to check if their obesity and blood pressure levels or other blood issues were similar to ours to have a real idea.
skinny people have strokes too… just saying..
monkey skipper said:
monkey skipper said:
SCIENCE said:
The German government’s vaccines agency, the Paul Ehrlich Institute, said it had suddenly noticed a “striking accumulation” of cases of a rare kind of blood clot on the brain, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), in people who had just had the vaccine.—
nice
So, why do other experts say no to the vaccine and we are saying.. nah keep going?
Given there are a lot more cases overseas where the roll outs of the vaccinations were in progress.
They might be people who had covid prior to being vaccinated.
Isn’t there a cardio vascular issue related to post covid patients?
Considering it’s the ‘worst’ of the currently available Western vaccines (evidence and efficacy wise), it would make sense to investigate what would appear to be an increase in adverse events when that vaccine is used.
poikilotherm said:
monkey skipper said:
monkey skipper said:So, why do other experts say no to the vaccine and we are saying.. nah keep going?
Given there are a lot more cases overseas where the roll outs of the vaccinations were in progress.
They might be people who had covid prior to being vaccinated.
Isn’t there a cardio vascular issue related to post covid patients?
Considering it’s the ‘worst’ of the currently available Western vaccines (evidence and efficacy wise), it would make sense to investigate what would appear to be an increase in adverse events when that vaccine is used.
Data released from Scotland and England suggests it’s performing slightly better than Pfizer.
Peak Warming Man said:
poikilotherm said:
monkey skipper said:They might be people who had covid prior to being vaccinated.
Isn’t there a cardio vascular issue related to post covid patients?
Considering it’s the ‘worst’ of the currently available Western vaccines (evidence and efficacy wise), it would make sense to investigate what would appear to be an increase in adverse events when that vaccine is used.
Data released from Scotland and England suggests it’s performing slightly better than Pfizer.
Was it from the daily mail…
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
poikilotherm said:Considering it’s the ‘worst’ of the currently available Western vaccines (evidence and efficacy wise), it would make sense to investigate what would appear to be an increase in adverse events when that vaccine is used.
Data released from Scotland and England suggests it’s performing slightly better than Pfizer.
Was it from the daily mail…
Where Is Oxford
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:Data released from Scotland and England suggests it’s performing slightly better than Pfizer.
Was it from the daily mail…
Where Is Oxford
A long way from Fleet Street.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/15/texas-galveston-woman-mask-bank-arrest
The video is worth watching for a laugh.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/15/europes-caution-over-oxford-vaccine-about-more-than-the-science
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/15/europes-caution-over-oxford-vaccine-about-more-than-the-science
thanks
AstraZeneca itself says there have been 15 deep vein thrombosis (DVT) events and 22 pulmonary embolisms (blood clots in the lungs) across the whole of the EU and UK up to 8 March. “This is much lower than would be expected to occur naturally in a general population of this size and is similar across other licensed Covid-19 vaccines,” it said in a statement.
so actually this vaccine protects you from blood clots
makes sense
The main AZ efficacy trials were quite a mess.
“ The quality of the evidence available is generally weak, partly due to the fact that the trials were not conducted as planned, and that the published efficacy data only pertain to about half of the trial participants.
In trials, the risk of developing covid-19 was reduced by about 70% in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine groups, but the level of efficacy it provides is more uncertain than that of the two mRNA vaccines authorised previously. A reduction in the incidence of severe covid-19 is likely, but remains unproven.”
Shitty studies and efficacy aside, the AZ vaccine is ~ 12x cheaper than the Pfizer and moderna vaccines.
poikilotherm said:
Shitty studies and efficacy aside, the AZ vaccine is ~ 12x cheaper than the Pfizer and moderna vaccines.
one twelfth the price
Depending on which country of course, the UK are paying many times more than the EU and the US are paying. Not sure what price Australia managed to negotiate,
party_pants said:
Depending on which country of course, the UK are paying many times more than the EU and the US are paying. Not sure what price Australia managed to negotiate,
We can only hope that Angus Taylor isn’t a shareholder in any part of the process.
party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:
Shitty studies and efficacy aside, the AZ vaccine is ~ 12x cheaper than the Pfizer and moderna vaccines.
one twelfth the price
Depending on which country of course, the UK are paying many times more than the EU and the US are paying. Not sure what price Australia managed to negotiate,
Possibly a discounted rate as CSL will do most of the manufacture here.
poikilotherm said:
Shitty studies and efficacy aside, the AZ vaccine is ~ 12x cheaper than the Pfizer and moderna vaccines.
Ah. There you go then.
poikilotherm said:
The main AZ efficacy trials were quite a mess.“ The quality of the evidence available is generally weak, partly due to the fact that the trials were not conducted as planned, and that the published efficacy data only pertain to about half of the trial participants.
In trials, the risk of developing covid-19 was reduced by about 70% in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine groups, but the level of efficacy it provides is more uncertain than that of the two mRNA vaccines authorised previously. A reduction in the incidence of severe covid-19 is likely, but remains unproven.”
How concerned should I be about this?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:Was it from the daily mail…
Where Is Oxford
A long way from Fleet Street.
About the same distance as I am from Gympie. (75 km.)
sarahs mum said:
poikilotherm said:
Shitty studies and efficacy aside, the AZ vaccine is ~ 12x cheaper than the Pfizer and moderna vaccines.
Ah. There you go then.
don’t worry Made In CHINA is usually that much cheaper too, now what are the chances our authorities can happily reassure us that if it was Sinovac or Sinopharm then it would be just as safe and effective
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
poikilotherm said:
Shitty studies and efficacy aside, the AZ vaccine is ~ 12x cheaper than the Pfizer and moderna vaccines.
Ah. There you go then.
don’t worry Made In CHINA is usually that much cheaper too, now what are the chances our authorities can happily reassure us that if it was Sinovac or Sinopharm then it would be just as safe and effective
Dunno.
Could there be a bit of intellectual snobbery vs inscrutable squinting eyes?
Again, dunno.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:Ah. There you go then.
don’t worry Made In CHINA is usually that much cheaper too, now what are the chances our authorities can happily reassure us that if it was Sinovac or Sinopharm then it would be just as safe and effective
Dunno.
Could there be a bit of intellectual snobbery vs inscrutable squinting eyes?
Again, dunno.
yeah much as Witty Rejoinder loves our unwavering anti cyclic citrullinated peptide pathology, this time we’re throwing as much shade as the next fella, we’re saying it’s fair to have reservations about CHINESE vaccines but it should be equally fair to have the same reservations about AstraZeneca ones
you’d probably think twice about a Sino65%vac that’s making the news with clots, you’d think twice about SinOxpharm too
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:don’t worry Made In CHINA is usually that much cheaper too, now what are the chances our authorities can happily reassure us that if it was Sinovac or Sinopharm then it would be just as safe and effective
Dunno.
Could there be a bit of intellectual snobbery vs inscrutable squinting eyes?
Again, dunno.
yeah much as Witty Rejoinder loves our unwavering anti cyclic citrullinated peptide pathology, this time we’re throwing as much shade as the next fella, we’re saying it’s fair to have reservations about CHINESE vaccines but it should be equally fair to have the same reservations about AstraZeneca ones
you’d probably think twice about a Sino65%vac that’s making the news with clots, you’d think twice about SinOxpharm too
sigh
See, that’s the point. Neither seems to have above the norm problems with this.
It comes down to inscrutable eyes vs long-standing university trust…
oh we don’t know, the UK health system is fucked, they can’t even test all of their COVID-19s, their excess deaths aren’t even all accounted for
and now they’re saying that they found less clots than normal this season, less clots have happened*, does that sound like the vaccine is safe to you
*: OK it might be true, given that COVID-19 kills many of its victims by clotting, maybe it helped things along a bit an everyone who was going to die from a clot already did
So it’s late and we’re idly speculating but imagine this. CHINA spent 17 years researching and developing coronavirus into a deadly weapon in a not-so-secret virology institute. They were so shit at it that even then it took a month from leakage before they managed to achieve human-to-human transmission. Then it basically took another 3 months before they managed to kill any significant number of people in any other country. Meanwhile other superpowers already wised up, and especially the USSA military had a much smarter idea. If you want to weaponise a virus, just let it fuck Americans, let it rip and mutate and select, then we’ll have the full lethality strain ready to go, perfectly tuned for the Real World and not some bullshit pissweak laboratory simulation, ready to take over the world fuck you.
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Oh and don’t give us any of that “XYZ disease is a worse pandemic” crap, which will it be¿ Tuberculosis¿ Malaria¿ Aidshiv¿ All these diseases that supposedly kill more people than COVID-19 ever will¿ It’s killing people before the other “worse pandemic” diseases get to them, just think about that.
gotta luv da emphasis
Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”
seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
China’s Government has begun rolling out a digital vaccine passport to tens of millions of residents who have received their COVID-19 shots, while efforts for similar schemes in the US and Europe stall due to ethics debates about inequality and privacy.
more…
SCIENCE said:
bq. Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
bq. Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Woodie & Boris may be able to score one
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
bq. Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Woodie & Boris may be able to score one
They make me feel all modern and “with it” for buying one last year.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
bq. Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Woodie & Boris may be able to score one
I have a smart phone. I have the SafeWA app. The G2G app. I’m hip and with it.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Woodie & Boris may be able to score one
I have a smart phone. I have the SafeWA app. The G2G app. I’m hip and with it.
One day you might even get one of these.
https://unherd.com/2021/03/how-dangerous-is-the-astrazeneca-jab/
sibeen said:
https://unherd.com/2021/03/how-dangerous-is-the-astrazeneca-jab/
Whose to say undermining confidence in this vaccine isn’t just a ploy to sell your own version.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
https://unherd.com/2021/03/how-dangerous-is-the-astrazeneca-jab/
Whose to say undermining confidence in this vaccine isn’t just a ploy to sell your own version.
I wonder were else the percentage of 0.00000217647 is considered significant enough to stop something being used and the data itself has not even been confirmed to be directly related
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
bq. Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Hang on though…remember the fuss about the Australia Card. In what way is this any different? It’s just a digital version.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
bq. Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Hang on though…remember the fuss about the Australia Card. In what way is this any different? It’s just a digital version.
well, this app isn’t an ID card that you have to carry at all times. It is more like the SafeWA app.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
bq. Three people recently vaccinated in Beijing told the ABC they have not needed to use it yet. “I’m not even thinking about going overseas unless the global pandemic situation vastly improves,” Beijing resident Huang Bin told the ABC. “Even though I’ve been vaccinated, I’m very uneasy about this virus.”seems reasonable but it’ll probably take many more vaccine breakthrough cases before it seems reasonable to most people
apparently the most marginalised people deserve to be marginalised, unless it supports our ideology, in which case poor marginalised people, they will be harmed oh our
NHS app in the UK has been stalled by 200,000 people signing a petition against it, forcing MPs to debate it. Those opposed to a digital certificate believe it will “create a two-tier society where some people can access support and freedoms, while others are shut out — with the most marginalised among us hardest hit”, according to the BBC.
It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Hang on though…remember the fuss about the Australia Card. In what way is this any different? It’s just a digital version.
Worse possibly, with state sponsored hacking I imagine everyone’s data is collectable and that doesn’t include what people share willingly
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Hang on though…remember the fuss about the Australia Card. In what way is this any different? It’s just a digital version.
well, this app isn’t an ID card that you have to carry at all times. It is more like the SafeWA app.
I don’t think there was any suggestion that the Australia Card was going to be mandatory to carry at all times. It was an attempt at having an ID system that didn’t rely on driving licences and Medicare cards.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It might be time for smartphones to be considered an essential service with government funding for basic models.
Hang on though…remember the fuss about the Australia Card. In what way is this any different? It’s just a digital version.
Worse possibly, with state sponsored hacking I imagine everyone’s data is collectable and that doesn’t include what people share willingly
what if it lets you actually get tickets to a football game
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
https://unherd.com/2021/03/how-dangerous-is-the-astrazeneca-jab/
(1) Whose to say undermining confidence in this vaccine isn’t just a ploy to sell your own version.
(2) I wonder were else the percentage of 0.00000217647 is considered significant enough to stop something being used and the data itself has not even been confirmed to be directly related
(1) if only critical thinking like this were applied to all relevant situations rather than just the ones people disagree with
(2) remember how 1 year ago there were 100000 COVID-19 cases in a world population of 7500000000 we should have let it rip there and then oh wait
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:Hang on though…remember the fuss about the Australia Card. In what way is this any different? It’s just a digital version.
well, this app isn’t an ID card that you have to carry at all times. It is more like the SafeWA app.
I don’t think there was any suggestion that the Australia Card was going to be mandatory to carry at all times. It was an attempt at having an ID system that didn’t rely on driving licences and Medicare cards.
this is still just a Vac certificate, just like a driving license.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:(1) Whose to say undermining confidence in this vaccine isn’t just a ploy to sell your own version.
(2) I wonder were else the percentage of 0.00000217647 is considered significant enough to stop something being used and the data itself has not even been confirmed to be directly related
(1) if only critical thinking like this were applied to all relevant situations rather than just the ones people disagree with
(2) remember how 1 year ago there were 100000 COVID-19 cases in a world population of 7500000000 we should have let it rip there and then oh wait
To be fair though if you are going to question the safety of one vaccine you should release all information about deaths/reaction to every Covid vaccine
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:well, this app isn’t an ID card that you have to carry at all times. It is more like the SafeWA app.
I don’t think there was any suggestion that the Australia Card was going to be mandatory to carry at all times. It was an attempt at having an ID system that didn’t rely on driving licences and Medicare cards.
this is still just a Vac certificate, just like a driving license.
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:well, this app isn’t an ID card that you have to carry at all times. It is more like the SafeWA app.
I don’t think there was any suggestion that the Australia Card was going to be mandatory to carry at all times. It was an attempt at having an ID system that didn’t rely on driving licences and Medicare cards.
this is still just a Vac certificate, just like a driving license.
I’m happy enough with a piece of paper, like I carry my fluvax certification when I go to Melbourne to see Mum. My driving licence is also a plastic card. I’ve seen no suggestions that should be a digital certificate, presumably on safety of information grounds.
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:I don’t think there was any suggestion that the Australia Card was going to be mandatory to carry at all times. It was an attempt at having an ID system that didn’t rely on driving licences and Medicare cards.
this is still just a Vac certificate, just like a driving license.
I’m happy enough with a piece of paper, like I carry my fluvax certification when I go to Melbourne to see Mum. My driving licence is also a plastic card. I’ve seen no suggestions that should be a digital certificate, presumably on safety of information grounds.
Like driving license in the sense that it shows you have authorisation to drive, or to travel with the vac cert. Even with a paper cert your details are stored on a computer somewhere. so no safer in the long run if you want to go down that track.
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
buffy said:I don’t think there was any suggestion that the Australia Card was going to be mandatory to carry at all times. It was an attempt at having an ID system that didn’t rely on driving licences and Medicare cards.
this is still just a Vac certificate, just like a driving license.
Travelling in Africa it was necessary to carry your yellow fever vaccination certificate at all times.
OMG VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:(2) I wonder were else the percentage of 0.00000217647 is considered significant enough to stop something being used and the data itself has not even been confirmed to be directly related
(1) if only critical thinking like this were applied to all relevant situations rather than just the ones people disagree with
(2) remember how 1 year ago there were 100000 COVID-19 cases in a world population of 7500000000 we should have let it rip there and then oh wait
To be fair though if you are going to question the safety of one vaccine you should release all information about deaths/reaction to every Covid vaccine
we aren’t experts on this and only have what we read in the news to go on which we have shown y’all here so floor’s yours whoever is more expert thx brb cyl
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:(2) I wonder were else the percentage of 0.00000217647 is considered significant enough to stop something being used and the data itself has not even been confirmed to be directly related
(1) if only critical thinking like this were applied to all relevant situations rather than just the ones people disagree with
(2) remember how 1 year ago there were 100000 COVID-19 cases in a world population of 7500000000 we should have let it rip there and then oh wait
To be fair though if you are going to question the safety of one vaccine you should release all information about deaths/reaction to every Covid vaccine
There is a lot more data, real world and trial data, for the Pfizer vaccine when compared to the AZ vaccine at this stage.
cLOL
cLOL for cynicker, because ain’t this hilarious-funny
meanwhile
Director General Dr John Wakefield said in the past 24 hours Queensland had recorded four allergic reactions to the Astra-Zeneca vaccine – one in Bundaberg, one in Toowoomba and two in Ipswich. “So what we have put in place while TGA looks at this is an extra blanket of safety monitoring people for an extra 15 minutes,” he said. “All four cases had history to severe allergic reactions to other things to products in the vaccine itself like food or shell fish. “So if have strong history of anaphylaxis hold off getting vaccine.”
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oh wait nah his name is Wakefield he’s probably just making this shit up against vaccines
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/covid-qld-queensland-png-flights-suspended/100013874
SCIENCE said:
imagine this. CHINA spent 17 years researching and developing coronavirus into a deadly weapon in a not-so-secret virology institute. They were so shit at it that even then it took a month from leakage before they managed to achieve human-to-human transmission. Then it basically took another 3 months before they managed to kill any significant number of people in any other country. Meanwhile other superpowers already wised up, and especially the USSA military had a much smarter idea. If you want to weaponise a virus, just let it fuck Americans, let it rip and mutate and select, then we’ll have the full lethality strain ready to go, perfectly tuned for the Real World and not some bullshit pissweak laboratory simulation, ready to take over the world fuck you
Variants of the virus are spreading quickly across the US, sparking fears among exhausted frontline doctors and nurses that another wave of infections is on its way
“It’s a race. It’s a race between the virus and getting ourselves vaccinated,” doctor Haytham Adada says as he walks through his intensive care ward in rural south-west Virginia.
America is so far behind in chasing variants
Health authorities expect the UK variant, B117, which is thought to be up to 50 per cent more contagious, to become the predominant source of new infections in the US by the end of March. It currently accounts for about 10 per cent of new infections in the country — three times as many as just a few weeks ago.
The South African variant, B1351, P1 — first found in Mexico — as well as several homegrown strains are also proliferating. Two concerning variants are spreading fast in New York and California. Cases of both the UK and South African variants have been found in Virginia and neighbouring Tennessee.
Laboratories are undertaking genome sequencing, the process for identifying mutations of the virus, but health authorities have described the effort in the US as being woefully inadequate by comparison to other countries, such as the United Kingdom. “Our sequencing of viruses in this country has been woefully inadequate,” infectious diseases physician and researcher Joshua Schiffer says. “There are very likely to be other variants of which we are not aware.”
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:imagine this. CHINA spent 17 years researching and developing coronavirus into a deadly weapon in a not-so-secret virology institute. They were so shit at it that even then it took a month from leakage before they managed to achieve human-to-human transmission. Then it basically took another 3 months before they managed to kill any significant number of people in any other country. Meanwhile other superpowers already wised up, and especially the USSA military had a much smarter idea. If you want to weaponise a virus, just let it fuck Americans, let it rip and mutate and select, then we’ll have the full lethality strain ready to go, perfectly tuned for the Real World and not some bullshit pissweak laboratory simulation, ready to take over the world fuck you
If Only Someone Had Told Us That Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions Should Be The Mainstay Of Pandemic Control, With Reliance On Mop-Up Vaccines Being Only A Secondary Concern
Variants of the virus are spreading quickly across the US, sparking fears among exhausted frontline doctors and nurses that another wave of infections is on its way
“It’s a race. It’s a race between the virus and getting ourselves vaccinated,” doctor Haytham Adada says as he walks through his intensive care ward in rural south-west Virginia.
America is so far behind in chasing variants
Health authorities expect the UK variant, B117, which is thought to be up to 50 per cent more contagious, to become the predominant source of new infections in the US by the end of March. It currently accounts for about 10 per cent of new infections in the country — three times as many as just a few weeks ago.
The South African variant, B1351, P1 — first found in Mexico — as well as several homegrown strains are also proliferating. Two concerning variants are spreading fast in New York and California. Cases of both the UK and South African variants have been found in Virginia and neighbouring Tennessee.
Laboratories are undertaking genome sequencing, the process for identifying mutations of the virus, but health authorities have described the effort in the US as being woefully inadequate by comparison to other countries, such as the United Kingdom. “Our sequencing of viruses in this country has been woefully inadequate,” infectious diseases physician and researcher Joshua Schiffer says. “There are very likely to be other variants of which we are not aware.”
The way it spread in the USA does kind of reflect their mindset of arrogance and perceived superiority that exists only in their minds.
Plus too many idiots with influence directly over policy and influencing the general population to be uncooperative
Oh dear. Yet more communications difficulties…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/covid-gp-clinics-vaccine-rollout-confusion/13255874
“Frustration as Australians over 70 get greenlight to book a COVID vaccination but GP clinics are caught unprepared”
>>Details for hundreds of GP clinics across the country went live this morning, encouraging those eligible to book in either online or over the phone.
It took many of those GP clinics by surprise, as phones began ringing off the hook.<<
I actually went to the link this morning because Mr buffy thinks he is probably a 1b person because of his diabetes. Apparently I wasn’t the only one checking. One clinic in Hamilton is listed, but it’s not the one we go to. No rush really though, the bug is not in this district, or it’s doing a good camouflage act if it is.
This may interest you Buffy:
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Papers, please
Are vaccine passports a good idea?
They are likely to make the biggest difference to international travel
Mar 13th 2021
TEL AVIV
Give this article
On march 7th, after six months of selling takeaways, the beer was once more flowing in the pizzeria at Bet Romano in Tel Aviv. The bar and restaurant upstairs were packed. Most patrons carried proof that they had received a double dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, but no one asked to see it. At nearby establishments that were trying harder to verify vaccination status, people queued with pieces of paper and smartphones. These contained authorisations from health-care providers; immunisation certificates from the health ministry; and the “green pass”, a government app that confirms vaccination and which is illustrated with a picture of a family frolicking across a verdant landscape.
Israel’s covid-19 vaccination programme has been the world’s fastest. Over half of adults have had at least one jab, and 90% of those over 50 have had both. Anyone aged 16 or over is now eligible for the vaccine. But rather than wait for herd immunity—in which resistance becomes widespread enough to curtail the spread of the virus—the government has, since February 21st, allowed the vaccinated to return to gyms, concert halls, theatres and other indoor venues.
The experiment is being watched around the world. Worried about stalled economies and restive citizens, governments have leapt on the idea of “vaccine passports” as a way to free at least some people from lockdowns. In January Joe Biden, America’s president, ordered his government to assess the idea. On March 8th the country’s guidelines about social mingling were updated to distinguish between the vaccinated and unvaccinated for the first time. The European Commission will put forward plans for a bloc-wide “digital green pass” on March 17th. Britain is considering a vaccine-passport scheme too. In some versions of the idea, the passports would include not just vaccination status, but results from infection tests, proof that the bearer had completed a period of quarantine, or exemptions from vaccination for health reasons.
Vaccine-related restrictions are not a new idea. Visitors to places where yellow fever is endemic have to prove vaccination with a “yellow card”. Immigrants to America must be vaccinated for 15 diseases listed by that country’s Department of Health before they can become permanent residents. So must children in all 50 states before attending public schools (though there are exemptions for the immuno-compromised and religious objections). In many places, similar rules apply to some health-care workers and to soldiers.
But when it comes to covid-19, not everyone is so keen. Policy experts argue that, in many countries, vaccination is moving quickly enough that passports will be only briefly useful. Civil libertarians and security researchers worry that governments may be tempted to misuse the data, and exploit the control they grant over people’s lives. Public-health experts say it is too early to know whether the idea is medically sound. Vaccines offer potent protection from sars-cov-2, the virus that causes covid-19. Although it looks very much as if they also significantly cut transmission, that is not yet certain. Any policy must grapple with questions of fairness and coercion; private approaches to risk versus communal ones; trade-offs between infection and economic activity; and the question of what lockdowns have done to people’s psyches.
Security is a good place to start, for if passports are to work they must be trustworthy. Researchers who examined Israel’s app found several flaws. Problems with the first version of the app meant that clever fraudsters could sell fake certificates online. The moving image in the latest version was supposed to improve security, but can still be copied. “While Israel is an exporter of high-tech, it doesn’t always adopt the same standards when it comes to its domestic needs,” says Ran Bar-Zik, an Israeli cyber-security consultant. Enforcement matters, too. In Tel Aviv there seems to be little effort to ensure that venues check paperwork. “If I have to put someone at the door to go through the entire process of approving every client, I won’t get any business,” says one bar-owner.
Papers, please
Nosy governments are another risk. Last year Singapore pledged that data from its contact-tracing app would be used for no other purpose. In January it said that, in fact, the police had been granted access for crime-fighting. That was enough to annoy even Singapore’s usually compliant citizens. Vivian Balakrishnan, a Singaporean minister, said he took “full responsibility” for what he called a “mistake”.
In China compulsory health apps use location data from smartphones to produce qr codes that determine whether someone is free to enter many indoor spaces and to travel without restrictions. Tracking data appear to be shared with police. The risk calculations are a black box and the code seems glitchy. Even after a period of mandated quarantine is over, the apps may not update to reflect that fact for days. Even so, they look likely to become a permanent fixture.
Incompetence and snooping could taint the whole idea of vaccine passports and provide grist to covid-conspiracists’ mill. But privacy worries are not insurmountable. David Chadwick, formerly a computer-science professor at Kent University, in England, is the boss of a spin-off company called Verifiable Credentials. Before the covid-19 pandemic, his firm was working on a privacy-focused scheme for workplace identity cards, parking permits, concert tickets and the like. “I wasn’t thinking about health applications at all,” he says. These days covid-19 is his priority.
The idea is to ensure there is no connection between the source of a person’s vaccination data and the entity requesting it. Individual users are linked securely with their smartphones using biometrics and some form of government-issue identity document, a process similar to registering for mobile banking. A user seeking entrance to a “covid-secure” venue would have entry rules transmitted to their phone at the door. The app would check those rules against the user’s data and spit out a simple “yes” or “no”—and nothing else. Specifics such as a person’s name, age, address, the date of their vaccination and the like would not be reported, limiting the opportunity for mischief.
In April 2020 Verifiable Credentials demonstrated that its prototype would be able to verify vaccine status and covid-test results, as soon as those things existed. Its app is being tested with dummy data at a cinema that actors are using as a rehearsal space, and with real data at a British hospital, where it has replaced existing paper-based methods. The firm is also working on a physical version for use by those without smartphones.
Even if privacy worries can be assuaged, public-health bodies fret about the perceived fairness of what vaccine passports would enable. Most countries have put the elderly at the head of the queue for vaccination, since they are most likely to die from covid-19. Passports raise the prospect that vaccinated pensioners will be allowed to roam freely, while the young—who have been confined to quarters largely to protect their elders—remain under lockdown.
In some countries those worries may be heightened by racial implications. Black Americans are more dubious about vaccines than white ones, and some who want jabs find it harder to get them. They are also, on average, younger than their white compatriots, which means they are further back in the queue. When vaccine roll-outs are fast and free, and priorities are set justly and transparently, questions of equity will be transient. But in countries where politicians queue-jump or herd immunity is years away, they may cause resentment.
And then there is the question of what to do with those who cannot or will not be vaccinated. Governments will be under pressure to grant exemptions, especially for medical contra-indications. But each unvaccinated person allowed into supposedly covid-safe spaces would make them less so. Another worry is that the unvaccinated could become less employable. A global survey by Manpower, a recruitment agency, published on March 9th found that a fifth of employers planned to start mandating vaccination for at least some roles, and another 14% were undecided. As soon as herd immunity has been reached, it makes little sense for employers to care about such matters—but some may, especially if customers keep asking. That could make vaccines close to compulsory.
The most fundamental criticism is that it remains unclear whether vaccine passports will even do the job they are supposed to. On February 5th a paper from the World Health Organisation (who) argued that vaccinated people should not be exempt from lockdown and quarantine rules. It said that using vaccine passports for border crossings would be “premature” (though it is so sure this is imminent that it is nevertheless drawing up suggestions for how best to do it). On February 17th the Ada Lovelace Institute, a think-tank that is tracking proposals for vaccine passports globally, concluded that they are “not currently justified”.
One reason is that, although existing vaccines seem very effective at preventing illness, it is not clear whether they completely prevent infection with the virus, or remove the ability to transmit it to others. (One paper published in June, before any vaccines were available, estimated that more than a third of those infected with covid-19 display no symptoms but can still infect others.) There are some encouraging signs. A leaked draft of a paper put together by Pfizer and Israel’s health ministry suggests that receiving both doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine cuts asymptomatic cases of covid-19 by nearly 90%. Another paper, published by researchers at Cambridge University Hospitals nhs Foundation Trust, but not yet peer-reviewed, looked at asymptomatic health-care workers at a British hospital. It found that a single dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine cut asymptomatic cases by 75% after 12 days. But the evidence is not yet strong enough to convince wary public-health officials.
Another reason is that mutations in sars-cov-2 mean that whatever conclusions are arrived at today might change in future. Scientists hope that existing vaccines should be able to deal with the variants of the virus that have arisen thus far. But a novel variant against which they are less effective could emerge at any time. New vaccines would almost certainly be developed swiftly. But until they were deployed—a much bigger job—passport systems would be useless.
A final point is that the usefulness of a vaccine-passport system is inversely related to how quickly a country can vaccinate its citizens. Early in a vaccination programme, few people would benefit. Towards the end, the passports would be of little help. In countries such as Israel, where vaccination is proceeding rapidly, the span of time during which passports are useful could prove quite short. In those countries where vaccine roll-outs are slow, it may be needed as a crutch for longer (see map on previous page).
But precisely because countries are vaccinating at drastically different rates, covid passports could come into their own for international travel. Even as America, Britain, Israel and a few other countries sprint towards herd immunity, only 7% of eu citizens have had their first jab. In some poor countries vaccination is likely to continue until 2023 or 2024. Without a way to speed the vaccinated through airports, the world will remain locked down even if some individual countries do not.
Many countries are therefore poised to incorporate vaccine passports into their entry rules, says Nick Careen of the International Air Transport Association (iata), an airline-industry group. Ordinary people are desperate to see family and friends abroad, and to go on holiday. Within the eu, Greece is the strongest supporter of a bloc-wide vaccine passport. Before the pandemic, tourism accounted for a fifth of its gdp. Its hotel owners and restaurateurs hope that vaccinated tourists could help rescue their summer season.
Several nations have already cobbled together systems designed to allow at least a bit of travel to continue. They require a negative covid-19 test before setting off, and quarantine upon arrival. These work in only the narrowest sense. Quarantine deters all but the most desperate (or footloose) travellers. They can be hard to manage. After Britain tightened its rules in January, passengers arriving at Heathrow, its biggest airport, took many socially un-distanced hours to traverse the queues. If vaccine passports lack standardised verification procedures, Mr Careen says, the result could be “total chaos”.
Quick release
iata hopes its Travel Pass project will come to the rescue. Under development before the pandemic, it aimed to speed up airport transit by making use of biometric information and secure digital identifiers on passengers’ phones. It relies on Timatic, iata’s database of visa and entry regulations, which is already used by travel agents, airlines and airports. On a normal pre-covid-19 day, the database needed updating a handful of times. At the height of the pandemic, as governments scrambled to keep out travellers from places with high infection rates and new variants, that spiked to above 200.
A ticket to freedom
Travel Pass is being tested as a stand-alone app and as a chunk of code that airlines can use in their own apps. Several, including Emirates, Etihad Airways and Gulf Air, have signed up to test it. Other bits of the travel industry, such as cruise lines and resorts, could use it too, says Mr Careen. He hopes that one silver lining of the pandemic might be to speed the arrival of seamless, document-free travel. In ordinary times, he says, that would have required a battery of trials and tests with many different governments. Instead, the pandemic has persuaded countries of the virtues of co-ordinated standards, “practically overnight”.
Making passports work internationally, though, will be even harder than making them work within countries. iata says that testing laboratories and health-care providers will have to be certified, as travel agents currently are. Vaccination will take longest in poor countries, here such verification will also be hardest. Incentives to cheat will be high. Europol, the eu’s police agency, says fake covid-test certificates have already started to turn up at borders.
And some of the trade-offs visible inside countries are even starker when considered between them. One is between lowering infection rates and raising economic activity. Vaccinated British holidaymakers visiting Greek beaches will need locals to pour their retsina. Unvaccinated hospitality workers brought out of furlough will catch the disease from each other, if not from visitors.
The world’s poorest countries will have to choose between tourist cash and social mixing, on the one hand, and higher rates of infection, sickness and death, on the other—and not just this year, but for several years to come. “If you rely on tourism, you need to be really honest with your citizens about those additional health risks,” says Elliot Jones of the Ada Lovelace Institute. “There is a case for modelling the trade-offs, and asking people which ones they’re ok with.”
Edgar Whitley, a researcher in digital identity and privacy at the London School of Economics, agrees. When big new policy problems arise, he says, governments are attracted by technical fixes that promise a speedy return to the status quo ante. He thinks they would do better to eschew such “techno-naivety” and instead focus on clearer communication regarding risks, and on measures that would enable gradual reopening for everyone as the number of infections falls.
Perhaps the biggest unknown of vaccine passports will be the psychological impact they have. After a year in which few people have crossed a border, and some have barely left home, many may have become more risk-averse. Would a scheme that liberates vaccinated people to mingle with each other provide valuable, though temporary, reassurance on the road to herd immunity? Or would it slow down the return to normality by suggesting to the newly fearful that their fellow citizens are a permanent threat?
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/03/13/are-vaccine-passports-a-good-idea?
Witty Rejoinder said:
aren’t we good?
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
aren’t we good?
Personally, we continue to advance the idea that non-pharmaceutical interventions have worked well in Australia so far and should remain the mainstay of pandemic control. Vaccines have a role, are useful, and if carefully delivered should be safe, but we agree with the others saying that there is no need to rush it here.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
aren’t we good?
Personally, we continue to advance the idea that non-pharmaceutical interventions have worked well in Australia so far and should remain the mainstay of pandemic control. Vaccines have a role, are useful, and if carefully delivered should be safe, but we agree with the others saying that there is no need to rush it here.
Presumably the completion of the vaccine rollout means the end of the pandemic emergency and a return to normal. So I don’t see any harm in pushing it along a bit.
Thanks Witty. Reads like no-one really knows what is the best approach. I don’t travel, so it probably won’t bother me much one way or another.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:aren’t we good?
Personally, we continue to advance the idea that non-pharmaceutical interventions have worked well in Australia so far and should remain the mainstay of pandemic control. Vaccines have a role, are useful, and if carefully delivered should be safe, but we agree with the others saying that there is no need to rush it here.
Presumably the completion of the vaccine rollout means the end of the pandemic emergency and a return to normal. So I don’t see any harm in pushing it along a bit.
That may be a bit optimistic.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:Personally, we continue to advance the idea that non-pharmaceutical interventions have worked well in Australia so far and should remain the mainstay of pandemic control. Vaccines have a role, are useful, and if carefully delivered should be safe, but we agree with the others saying that there is no need to rush it here.
Presumably the completion of the vaccine rollout means the end of the pandemic emergency and a return to normal. So I don’t see any harm in pushing it along a bit.
That may be a bit optimistic.
I’m a bright and sunny personage.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Presumably the completion of the vaccine rollout means the end of the pandemic emergency and a return to normal. So I don’t see any harm in pushing it along a bit.
That may be a bit optimistic.
I’m a bright and sunny personage.
You know how there is a new fluvax each year. And you know how there seem to be mutations with SARS-COV-2. Well…it could easily be the case that you finish the first round and you have to start the whole world on the next round. It’s all unknown at this point in time.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:That may be a bit optimistic.
I’m a bright and sunny personage.
You know how there is a new fluvax each year. And you know how there seem to be mutations with SARS-COV-2. Well…it could easily be the case that you finish the first round and you have to start the whole world on the next round. It’s all unknown at this point in time.
Yes. I think some of us might need to get a new vaccine each year, or every couple of years or something like that. But so far as I know the vaccines are still at least partly effective against the new strains, so I don’t see us returning to full hard lockdowns.
buffy said:
party_pants said:SCIENCE said:Personally, we continue to advance the idea that non-pharmaceutical interventions have worked well in Australia so far and should remain the mainstay of pandemic control. Vaccines have a role, are useful, and if carefully delivered should be safe, but we agree with the others saying that there is no need to rush it here.
Presumably the completion of the vaccine rollout means the end of the pandemic emergency and a return to normal. So I don’t see any harm in pushing it along a bit.
That may be a bit optimistic.
Well, yes. If your non-pharmaceutical interventions kick butt around the world, then getting immunised the vaccine way is icing. If you’re letting it rip and your healthcare workers are enjoying the work that will set them free, then as we see there’s going to be fighting over the cake that nobody can eat too.
University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston made three recombinant viruses with different mutations using a SARS-CoV-2 isolate from January 2020. Using 20 serum samples collected from 15 participants in a 2020 trial of the vaccine 2 to 4 weeks after their second dose, they tested the samples’ ability to neutralize the 2020 strain and all variants, including B1351 and B117. All serum samples were able to neutralize the viruses but were about two-thirds weaker against the B1351 spike protein.
B117 variant had no significant effect on the vaccine’s ability to kill the virus in serum samples obtained from participants who had received their second vaccine dose a week before, they saw a 2.7-fold decrease in neutralizing antibodies against a partial panel of B1351 mutations and a 6.4-fold drop against the full set.
Clinical data have shown in previous studies that the AstraZeneca/Oxford, Novavax, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are not as effective in preventing symptomatic infections with B1351 as against other strains. Earlier this month, South Africa put its rollout of the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine on hold after it was found to offer “minimal protection” against mild to moderate B1351 cases.
Two doses of the AstraZeneca-Oxford University COVID-19 vaccine were ineffective against mild-to-moderate infections with the B1351 variant first identified in South Africa, according to a phase 1b-2 clinical trial published today in the New England Journal of Medicine.
The incidence of COVID-19 among the vaccine group was 731 [they might mean 73.1, we haven’t checked closely] per 1,000 person-years, compared with 93.6 per 1,000 person-years among the placebo group, for an efficacy of 21.9% (95% confidence interval , -49.9 to 59.8). Of the 42 total cases of COVID-19, 39 (92.9%) were caused by B1351, for a vaccine effectiveness against this variant of 10.4% (95% CI, -76.8 to 54.8). All 42 cases were mild to moderate, and no patients were hospitalized.
The authors cautioned that the lack of severe COVID-19 cases in the study was likely a reflection of the relatively young mean age of participants (30 years) and thus that the trial could not determine whether the AstraZeneca vaccine is effective against severe infection with the B1351 variant.
In early February, South African health officials paused the rollout of AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine … switched to using the Johnson & Johnson vaccine to immunize healthcare workers.
buffy said:
It’s all unknown at this point in time.
disagree; see above
SCIENCE said:
Using 20 serum samples collected from 15 participants in a 2020 trial of the vaccine 2 to 4 weeks after their second dose, they tested the samples’ ability to neutralize the 2020 strain and all variants, including B1351 and B117. All serum samples were able to neutralize the viruses but were about two-thirds weaker against the B1351 spike protein.2.7-fold decrease in neutralizing antibodies against a partial panel of B1351 mutations and a 6.4-fold drop against the full set.
Clinical data have shown in previous studies that the AstraZeneca/Oxford, Novavax, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are not as effective in preventing symptomatic infections with B1351 as against other strains.
Two doses of the AstraZeneca-Oxford University COVID-19 vaccine were ineffective against mild-to-moderate infections with the B1351 variant for a vaccine effectiveness against this variant of 10.4% (95% CI, -76.8 to 54.8). All 42 cases were mild to moderate, the trial could not determine whether the AstraZeneca vaccine is effective against severe infection with the B1351 variant.
In early February, South African health officials paused the rollout of AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine … switched to using the Johnson & Johnson vaccine to immunize healthcare workers.
https://cov-lineages.org/global_report_B.1.351.html supposedly up to date 2021-03-17 today
Map showing the logged number of sequences of the variant in each country. Countries with more sequences are shown in darker colours.
The number of sequences of the lineage recorded in each country. The height of the bar is the logged number and the numbers above the bar are the raw counts.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:That may be a bit optimistic.
I’m a bright and sunny personage.
You know how there is a new fluvax each year. And you know how there seem to be mutations with SARS-COV-2. Well…it could easily be the case that you finish the first round and you have to start the whole world on the next round. It’s all unknown at this point in time.
Less likely considering it doesn’t appear to mutate anywhere near as fast as other RNA viruses and also doesn’t seem to undergo antigenic shift or drift.
A few Covid variants have even gone ‘extinct’…eg N501T variant.
we admit this is not really COVID-19 but imagine crazy Reopen To Rip proponents claiming a few days of COVID-19 school lockdown will lead to massive economic devastation in 1387968 years and yet being cool with girls students who menstruate missing school every month for 6 years because they happened to miss out on access to some luxury item
oh that’s right women belong in the kitchen doing unpaid work contributing 0 to the Economy Must Grow anyway so who cares if they didn’t learn anything when they were younger
ostensibly fair call by them Liberals in TAS but we guess if we have to assign credit the correct WAy for recent times, it was really Anthony who did the heavy lifting so kudos
Some stories for why you might not want to Let It Rip even if you took a shot for the team/flock/herd.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-18/long-covid-illnesses-affecting-young-healthy-people/13230122
It’s in their annoying story format which is hard to quote so we leave it to the readers themselves to entertain.
“There will be many, many people in Europe, feel now that the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine is second best … which is patently untrue.”
agree, more like 3rd or 4th of the handful we’re accessing
The company insists there is no link between the vaccine and the clots, and the European Medicines Agency appears to agree. “At present, there is no indication that vaccination has caused these conditions,” the EMA’s executive director Emer Cooke said this week. “The number of thromboembolic events overall in the vaccinated people, overall, seems not to be higher than that seen in the general population.” Both the EMA and the World Health Organization say the benefits outweigh the risks.
yes, because the strategy there seems to be “lift non-pharmaceutical interventions the moment case rate stop increasing, so the disaster continues and therefore vaccination is required just to keep things stable”
And he warned that the effects of European decisions would not be confined to the continent. “It’s going to affect us all, ultimately, if we have a huge amount of transmission and infection within Europe.”
imagine if they had that thinking 1 year ago, when the problem wasn’t ineffective vaccines against new strains, and the problem was just a little pandemic that was very possible to shut down with a few weeks of good work
By Jacqueline Howard
Victoria’s Crime Statistics Agency (CSA) has reported an eight per cent decrease in the number of offences reported to Victoria Police in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic up to the end of December excluding coronavirus offences.
The total number of offences went from 538,454 to 497,704.
There were 37,505 offences for breaches of the Chief Health Officer’s directives, most of which were fines.
One in five people who breached those orders did so on multiple occasions, the agency said.
There was a nine per cent increase in family violence incidents reported to police.
“This study found that the actual average monthly numbers for family incidents were higher than forecasted and the numbers of current partner and parent/child relationships in family incidents was higher than forecasted,” the report said.
There was also a decline in the number of offences for property and deception, such as break and enter and theft.
“These crimes have not returned to pre-pandemic levels,” the CSA said.
SCIENCE said:
COVID-19, Is There Any Planet It Can’t Heal
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Just be wary of the security guards, you don’t know where they’ve been.
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Did all the bovines attend for testing today? You know they sometimes hide in the scrub.
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Did all the bovines attend for testing today? You know they sometimes hide in the scrub.
But hang on…how many old cases have you got?!
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Just be wary of the security guards, you don’t know where they’ve been.
Or where they’re going, as well.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Just be wary of the security guards, you don’t know where they’ve been.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Phew!
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
Just be wary of the security guards, you don’t know where they’ve been.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
Another day of zero new cases at the Redoubt.
How about new moolies Mr Man? Any of those?
Mr Magufuli played down the threat from COVID-19, saying God and local remedies would protect Tanzanians
Mr Magufuli had not been seen in public since February 27, sparking rumours that he had contracted COVID-19.
Tanzania’s President John Magufuli, one of Africa’s most prominent coronavirus sceptics, has died aged 61, the country’s Vice-President has announced.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-18/tanzania-president-john-magufuli-dead-at-61/100015896
According to Tanzania’s constitution, Ms Hassan, 61, should assume the presidency for the remainder of the five-year term that Mr Magufuli began serving last year.
She would become the East African nation’s first female president.
SCIENCE said:
COVID-19 Heals Planet, Elevates Woman Of Colour
Mr Magufuli played down the threat from COVID-19, saying God and local remedies would protect Tanzanians
Mr Magufuli had not been seen in public since February 27, sparking rumours that he had contracted COVID-19.
Tanzania’s President John Magufuli, one of Africa’s most prominent coronavirus sceptics, has died aged 61, the country’s Vice-President has announced.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-18/tanzania-president-john-magufuli-dead-at-61/100015896
According to Tanzania’s constitution, Ms Hassan, 61, should assume the presidency for the remainder of the five-year term that Mr Magufuli began serving last year.
She would become the East African nation’s first female president.
Not many muzungu to choose from, to be fair.
(CNN)More than 500 people in the United Kingdom were put on do-not-resuscitate orders without their consent or their carers’ consent during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a study released by England’s care watchdog on Thursday.
“From the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, there were concerns that ‘do not attempt cardiopulmonary resuscitation’ (DNACPR) decisions were being made without involving people, or their families and/or carers if so wished, and were being applied to groups of people, rather than taking into account each person’s individual circumstances,” the Care Quality Commission (CQC) study said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/18/uk/uk-do-not-resuscitate-consent-pandemic-gbr-intl/index.html
dv said:
people in the United Kingdom were put on do-not-resuscitate orders without their consent
Oh well at least some good news ¡
France, Italy and Germany have announced plans to resume AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccinations after Europe’s drug regulator said the vaccine was not linked to an overall increased risk of blood clots, and that the benefits of use outweighed the risks.
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) also said it had found no quality or batch issues with the vaccine.
not clear that they have further data but if they’ve reviewed what they have and it’s safe then carry on
far less convinced about the effective bit though
dv said:
(CNN)More than 500 people in the United Kingdom were put on do-not-resuscitate orders without their consent or their carers’ consent during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a study released by England’s care watchdog on Thursday.“From the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, there were concerns that ‘do not attempt cardiopulmonary resuscitation’ (DNACPR) decisions were being made without involving people, or their families and/or carers if so wished, and were being applied to groups of people, rather than taking into account each person’s individual circumstances,” the Care Quality Commission (CQC) study said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/18/uk/uk-do-not-resuscitate-consent-pandemic-gbr-intl/index.html
Bloody.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/asx-biz-19-march-2021/13261468
Oil prices have been dropping all week on fears renewed COVID-19 outbreaks will derail the global economic recovery. New York analyst John Kilduff said oil prices have partially been responding to the worsening COVID outbreaks in Europe, as the continent goes into winter.
scratches head
SCIENCE said:
dv said:people in the United Kingdom were put on do-not-resuscitate orders without their consent
Oh well at least some good news ¡
France, Italy and Germany have announced plans to resume AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccinations after Europe’s drug regulator said the vaccine was not linked to an overall increased risk of blood clots, and that the benefits of use outweighed the risks.
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) also said it had found no quality or batch issues with the vaccine.
not clear that they have further data but if they’ve reviewed what they have and it’s safe then carry on
far less convinced about the effective bit though
Anyone for some more Sebastian?
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/18/is-the-new-covid-variant-deadlier/
I found this bit interesting (although it isn’t really what the piece is about)
>>In the UK, the PCR test currently in use is based on three reading frames. In other words, three separate pieces of viral RNA are sought. The B.1.1.7 variant has some variations in its genetic code that cause one of these reading frames to turn up a negative result. This is useful, because a problem with doing a big study like this and comparing mortality rates for different viral variants is that most people don’t actually get their infections gene-sequenced. So all you have to work with in most cases is a PCR test. But the fact that the B.1.1.7 variant has this oddity, that one of the three reading frames turns up a negative result, means that it can be identified through PCR with pretty good accuracy. No gene sequencing necessary.
So, what the researchers did was to put everyone with a covid diagnosis in which the other two reading frames were positive, but this specific reading frame was negative, in to one cohort, the “B.1.1.7 variant” cohort. Those who had all three reading frames turn up positive were put in the other, “old variants”, cohort.<<
buffy said:
Anyone for some more Sebastian?https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/03/18/is-the-new-covid-variant-deadlier/
I found this bit interesting (although it isn’t really what the piece is about)
>>In the UK, the PCR test currently in use is based on three reading frames. In other words, three separate pieces of viral RNA are sought. The B.1.1.7 variant has some variations in its genetic code that cause one of these reading frames to turn up a negative result. This is useful, because a problem with doing a big study like this and comparing mortality rates for different viral variants is that most people don’t actually get their infections gene-sequenced. So all you have to work with in most cases is a PCR test. But the fact that the B.1.1.7 variant has this oddity, that one of the three reading frames turns up a negative result, means that it can be identified through PCR with pretty good accuracy. No gene sequencing necessary.
So, what the researchers did was to put everyone with a covid diagnosis in which the other two reading frames were positive, but this specific reading frame was negative, in to one cohort, the “B.1.1.7 variant” cohort. Those who had all three reading frames turn up positive were put in the other, “old variants”, cohort.<<
Here is the link to the paper he is discussing.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579
Marshall claims ignorance in the meantime.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/sa-coronavirus-vaccines-wrongly-delivered-to-perth/100018366
A shipment of Pfizer vaccine doses destined for South Australia has been wrongly delivered to Western Australia, causing delays to the state’s rollout. Impacted care homes were originally told the delay was the result of a “logistics issue”.
Transport and logistics company DHL holds a Federal Government contract for the storage and shipment of Pfizer vaccines, which require storage below -70 degrees Celsius. South Australian Premier Steven Marshall said he did not “know anything about shipment”. “The logistics, the procurement, and the approval and distribution of the vaccines is the responsibility of the Federal Government,” Mr Marshall said.
COVID-19 MAR. 15, 2021
How the West Lost COVID How did so many rich countries get it so wrong? How did others get it so right?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/how-the-west-lost-covid-19.html?
Witty Rejoinder said:
COVID-19 MAR. 15, 2021
How the West Lost COVID How did so many rich countries get it so wrong? How did others get it so right?https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/how-the-west-lost-covid-19.html?
Thanks.
Somewhat interesting after wading through the first half, 3000 words of “it’s complex and the complex explanations are simplistic and the simplistic explanations are too complex to understand”.
Followed by relatively simple truths and then some perhaps not so solid suggestions, but on the whole, a reasonable summary.
However, one of the summary points is that summary points necessarily fail to capture the detail that may be important, ironic in its self reference.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical/ultrasound-scans-cause-the-shell-of-the-coronavirus-to-collapse/ar-BB1eITJV?ocid=msedgntp
Ultrasound scans like those used to track the growth of a foetus can destroy coronavirus cells by forcing their surface to split apart and implode, new research suggests.
MIT researchers conducted a mathematical analysis based on the physical properties of generic coronavirus cells.
It revealed medical ultrasound scans may be able to damage the virus’s shell and spikes, leading to collapse and rupture.
Ultrasounds are already used as a treatment for kidney stones but the MIT team are calling for further research on its viability as a treatment for Covid-19.
A computer study found ultrasound waves between 25MHz and 100MHz is enough to cause the cell to collapse.HOW DOES ULTRASOUND WORK?
An ultrasound scan, sometimes called a sonogram, is a procedure that uses high-frequency sound waves to create an image of part of the inside of the body.
A small device called an ultrasound probe is used, which gives off high-frequency sound waves.
You can’t hear these sound waves, but when they bounce off different parts of the body, they create ‘echoes’ that are picked up by the probe and turned into a moving image.
This image is displayed on a monitor while the scan is carried out.
Computer simulations created a model of a general coronavirus, the family which includes Covid-19, flu and HIV.
They found that between 25 and 100 MHz the cell surface of the coronavirus splits apart and collapses in less than one millisecond.
At 100MHz the computer model revealed the shell of the virus collapses because it resonates with the membrane’s natural vibration frequency.
This is a phenomenon which occurs when a specific wave frequency aligns with the inherent properties of a material, continuously amplifying the vibrations.
The quirk of physics is the same mechanism which allows opera singers to smash wine glasses and is also a problem for bridge builders.
If the frequency of wind or footsteps aligns with the natural properties of the bridge, it wobbles out of control.
This is exactly what happened in the year 2000 when the Millenium Bridge in London opened and the footsteps of people caused it to sway significantly.
This occured at two MHz, but for the virus, the 100MHz waves caused resonation. Within a fraction of a second the surface of the model virus distorted and buckled.
At 25 and 50MHz, the process was sped up even further.
‘These frequencies and intensities are within the range that is safely used for medical imaging,’ says Tomasz Wierzbicki, professor of applied mechanics at MIT and lead author of the study.
The scientists say the results are based on patchy data of the virus’ physical properties and should be interpreted with caution.
However, it opens up the possibility that coronavirus infections, including Covid-19, could one day be treated by ultrasounds.
Several issues surround the feasibility of such a therapeutic technique.
One tablet of ASPIRIN a day can reduce your risk of catching Covid-19 by up to 29 per cent, study finds
Taking aspirin pills may help protect against coronavirus infection, a study suggests.
The common, cheap and safe drug is often prescribed to prevent heart disease and stroke as well as a regular over-the-counter painkiller.
Data from more than 10,000 people who were tested for Covid between February and June 2020 revealed one aspirin tablet (75mg) a day led to a 29 per cent lower risk of catching the virus.
It remains unknown exactly how aspirin may prevent coronavirus infection but the authors believe its antiviral properties come from an ability to change how the immune system responds to the pathogen.
Findings from the study, conducted by Israeli researchers at Leumit Health Services, Bar-Ilan University and Barzilai Medical Center, were published last month in The FEBS Journal.
‘This observation of the possible beneficial effect of low doses of aspirin on COVID-19 infection is preliminary but seems very promising,’ says study leader Professor Eli Magen from the Barzilai Medical Center.
One problem is how the technique, which is normally applied to a specific area of the body to perform a scan, would target the virus in a person’s body as it can spread to a vast number of tissues, including the lungs, brain and nose.
But the MIT engineers say their study is the first ever finding within a novel avenue of research and more studies are needed to verify its long-term viability as a treatment.
‘We’ve proven that under ultrasound excitation the coronavirus shell and spikes will vibrate, and the amplitude of that vibration will be very large, producing strains that could break certain parts of the virus, doing visible damage to the outer shell and possibly invisible damage to the RNA inside,’ says Profesor Wierzbicki.
‘The hope is that our paper will initiate a discussion across various disciplines.’
The full findings are available in the Journal of the Mechanics and Physics of Solids.
The researchers set about studying the virus from the viewpoint of its structural integrity and not from a biological perspective.
All materials have a specific set of properties and will fail under certain conditions.
Information on its strength and flexibility was gathered from previous studies and microscopic analysis.
It revealed the virus has a smooth shell — or envelope — which contains its genetic material. The shell is peppered with protruding proteins which look like spikes, giving it the crown-like appearance which led to the moniker ‘coronavirus’.
This information was fed into a machine to model how the structure would behave under various circumstances.
‘We don’t know the material properties of the spikes because they are so tiny — about 10 nanometers high,’ Wierzbicki says.
‘Even more unknown is what’s inside the virus, which is not empty but filled with RNA, which itself is surrounded by a protein capsid shell. So this modeling requires a lot of assumptions. We feel confident that this elastic model is a good starting point.’
Witty Rejoinder said:
COVID-19 MAR. 15, 2021
How the West Lost COVID How did so many rich countries get it so wrong? How did others get it so right?https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/how-the-west-lost-covid-19.html?
Thanks Witty. That’s quite a long read. (No, I haven’t been reading it since you posted the link…there was some life going on in the middle, and some TV watching)
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
COVID-19 MAR. 15, 2021
How the West Lost COVID How did so many rich countries get it so wrong? How did others get it so right?https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/how-the-west-lost-covid-19.html?
Thanks Witty. That’s quite a long read. (No, I haven’t been reading it since you posted the link…there was some life going on in the middle, and some TV watching)
I’m about half way through. I went for a run is my excuse.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
COVID-19 MAR. 15, 2021
How the West Lost COVID How did so many rich countries get it so wrong? How did others get it so right?https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/how-the-west-lost-covid-19.html?
Thanks Witty. That’s quite a long read. (No, I haven’t been reading it since you posted the link…there was some life going on in the middle, and some TV watching)
I’m about half way through. I went for a run is my excuse.
Yeah, I stopped about halfway because Dr Who was starting. Then I came back after watching that an an episode of Murdoch Mysteries. It’s all entertainment in this house tonight!
buffy said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:Thanks Witty. That’s quite a long read. (No, I haven’t been reading it since you posted the link…there was some life going on in the middle, and some TV watching)
I’m about half way through. I went for a run is my excuse.
Yeah, I stopped about halfway because Dr Who was starting. Then I came back after watching that an an episode of Murdoch Mysteries. It’s all entertainment in this house tonight!
Fauci is getting a bit of a kicking.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:I’m about half way through. I went for a run is my excuse.
Yeah, I stopped about halfway because Dr Who was starting. Then I came back after watching that an an episode of Murdoch Mysteries. It’s all entertainment in this house tonight!
Fauci is getting a bit of a kicking.
I feel sorry for that man. He really didn’t stand a chance with Trump in control.
monkey skipper said:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical/ultrasound-scans-cause-the-shell-of-the-coronavirus-to-collapse/ar-BB1eITJV?ocid=msedgntpUltrasound scans like those used to track the growth of a foetus can destroy coronavirus cells by forcing their surface to split apart and implode, new research suggests.
MIT researchers conducted a mathematical analysis based on the physical properties of generic coronavirus cells.
It revealed medical ultrasound scans may be able to damage the virus’s shell and spikes, leading to collapse and rupture.
Ultrasounds are already used as a treatment for kidney stones but the MIT team are calling for further research on its viability as a treatment for Covid-19.
A computer study found ultrasound waves between 25MHz and 100MHz is enough to cause the cell to collapse.HOW DOES ULTRASOUND WORK?
An ultrasound scan, sometimes called a sonogram, is a procedure that uses high-frequency sound waves to create an image of part of the inside of the body.A small device called an ultrasound probe is used, which gives off high-frequency sound waves.
You can’t hear these sound waves, but when they bounce off different parts of the body, they create ‘echoes’ that are picked up by the probe and turned into a moving image.
This image is displayed on a monitor while the scan is carried out.
Computer simulations created a model of a general coronavirus, the family which includes Covid-19, flu and HIV.
They found that between 25 and 100 MHz the cell surface of the coronavirus splits apart and collapses in less than one millisecond.
At 100MHz the computer model revealed the shell of the virus collapses because it resonates with the membrane’s natural vibration frequency.
This is a phenomenon which occurs when a specific wave frequency aligns with the inherent properties of a material, continuously amplifying the vibrations.
The quirk of physics is the same mechanism which allows opera singers to smash wine glasses and is also a problem for bridge builders.
If the frequency of wind or footsteps aligns with the natural properties of the bridge, it wobbles out of control.
This is exactly what happened in the year 2000 when the Millenium Bridge in London opened and the footsteps of people caused it to sway significantly.
This occured at two MHz, but for the virus, the 100MHz waves caused resonation. Within a fraction of a second the surface of the model virus distorted and buckled.
At 25 and 50MHz, the process was sped up even further.
‘These frequencies and intensities are within the range that is safely used for medical imaging,’ says Tomasz Wierzbicki, professor of applied mechanics at MIT and lead author of the study.
The scientists say the results are based on patchy data of the virus’ physical properties and should be interpreted with caution.
However, it opens up the possibility that coronavirus infections, including Covid-19, could one day be treated by ultrasounds.
Several issues surround the feasibility of such a therapeutic technique.
One tablet of ASPIRIN a day can reduce your risk of catching Covid-19 by up to 29 per cent, study finds
Taking aspirin pills may help protect against coronavirus infection, a study suggests.The common, cheap and safe drug is often prescribed to prevent heart disease and stroke as well as a regular over-the-counter painkiller.
Data from more than 10,000 people who were tested for Covid between February and June 2020 revealed one aspirin tablet (75mg) a day led to a 29 per cent lower risk of catching the virus.
It remains unknown exactly how aspirin may prevent coronavirus infection but the authors believe its antiviral properties come from an ability to change how the immune system responds to the pathogen.
Findings from the study, conducted by Israeli researchers at Leumit Health Services, Bar-Ilan University and Barzilai Medical Center, were published last month in The FEBS Journal.
‘This observation of the possible beneficial effect of low doses of aspirin on COVID-19 infection is preliminary but seems very promising,’ says study leader Professor Eli Magen from the Barzilai Medical Center.
One problem is how the technique, which is normally applied to a specific area of the body to perform a scan, would target the virus in a person’s body as it can spread to a vast number of tissues, including the lungs, brain and nose.
But the MIT engineers say their study is the first ever finding within a novel avenue of research and more studies are needed to verify its long-term viability as a treatment.
‘We’ve proven that under ultrasound excitation the coronavirus shell and spikes will vibrate, and the amplitude of that vibration will be very large, producing strains that could break certain parts of the virus, doing visible damage to the outer shell and possibly invisible damage to the RNA inside,’ says Profesor Wierzbicki.
‘The hope is that our paper will initiate a discussion across various disciplines.’
The full findings are available in the Journal of the Mechanics and Physics of Solids.
The researchers set about studying the virus from the viewpoint of its structural integrity and not from a biological perspective.
All materials have a specific set of properties and will fail under certain conditions.
Information on its strength and flexibility was gathered from previous studies and microscopic analysis.
It revealed the virus has a smooth shell — or envelope — which contains its genetic material. The shell is peppered with protruding proteins which look like spikes, giving it the crown-like appearance which led to the moniker ‘coronavirus’.
This information was fed into a machine to model how the structure would behave under various circumstances.
‘We don’t know the material properties of the spikes because they are so tiny — about 10 nanometers high,’ Wierzbicki says.
‘Even more unknown is what’s inside the virus, which is not empty but filled with RNA, which itself is surrounded by a protein capsid shell. So this modeling requires a lot of assumptions. We feel confident that this elastic model is a good starting point.’
Coronavirus cells?
sigh
BERLIN—Scientists in Europe said they had identified a mechanism that could lead the AstraZeneca PLC vaccine to cause potentially deadly blood clots in rare instances as well as a possible treatment for it.
Two teams of medical researchers in Norway and Germany have independently found that the vaccine could trigger an autoimmune reaction causing blood to clot in the brain, which would offer an explanation for isolated incidents across Europe in recent weeks.
Several European countries briefly halted their rollouts of the vaccine this week after more than 30 recipients were diagnosed with the condition known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, or CVST. Most of the people affected were women under the age of 55.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/scientists-say-they-found-cause-of-blood-clotting-linked-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-11616169108
Divine Angel said:
BERLIN—Scientists in Europe said they had identified a mechanism that could lead the AstraZeneca PLC vaccine to cause potentially deadly blood clots in rare instances as well as a possible treatment for it.Two teams of medical researchers in Norway and Germany have independently found that the vaccine could trigger an autoimmune reaction causing blood to clot in the brain, which would offer an explanation for isolated incidents across Europe in recent weeks.
Several European countries briefly halted their rollouts of the vaccine this week after more than 30 recipients were diagnosed with the condition known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, or CVST. Most of the people affected were women under the age of 55.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/scientists-say-they-found-cause-of-blood-clotting-linked-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-11616169108
From same link:
“ Dr. Robert Klamroth, deputy chairman of the Society for Thrombosis and Hemostasis Research, said the rare autoimmune reaction occurred more frequently in Germany because the country initially only authorized the vaccine for people younger than 64. Britain, which had fewer incidents but vaccinated many more people, was predominantly giving the shot to older recipients.”
*awaits Australia’s response
However, the birth control pill causes more cases of blood clots so it probably is fine…
Divine Angel said:
Divine Angel said:
BERLIN—Scientists in Europe said they had identified a mechanism that could lead the AstraZeneca PLC vaccine to cause potentially deadly blood clots in rare instances as well as a possible treatment for it.Two teams of medical researchers in Norway and Germany have independently found that the vaccine could trigger an autoimmune reaction causing blood to clot in the brain, which would offer an explanation for isolated incidents across Europe in recent weeks.
Several European countries briefly halted their rollouts of the vaccine this week after more than 30 recipients were diagnosed with the condition known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, or CVST. Most of the people affected were women under the age of 55.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/scientists-say-they-found-cause-of-blood-clotting-linked-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-11616169108
From same link:
“ Dr. Robert Klamroth, deputy chairman of the Society for Thrombosis and Hemostasis Research, said the rare autoimmune reaction occurred more frequently in Germany because the country initially only authorized the vaccine for people younger than 64. Britain, which had fewer incidents but vaccinated many more people, was predominantly giving the shot to older recipients.”*awaits Australia’s response
However, the birth control pill causes more cases of blood clots so it probably is fine…
It would be a bit early to say if the rate is higher or lower, for the reason that we don’t yet know if the onset of this form of blood clot i.e. cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, or CVST will be immediate or late onset in those whom are vaccinated.
It is encouraging that they are working on managing the risk to counteract this potential side effect. It would be interesting to know if those vaccinated also had covid 19 prior as that may be the reason, considering cardio vascular disease and inclusive of stroke and heart disease has been linked to the covid 19 virus.
Pupils at a rural school south of Port Macquarie were forced to spend the night in the school library are rapidly rising floodwaters cut off the surrounding roads.
Some parents weren’t able to collect their kids in time before access to Kendall Public School was restricted.
Updates were being posted onto the school’s Facebook page throughout the evening yesterday. According to the page, the kids were playing games in the library and reading stories before sleeping in the library.
“The children are now in the classrooms and engaging with staff in stories, playdough activities, computers, games and lots more for the day ahead. All safe and sound here at school,” the page read.
The children had Weetbix, toast, fruit and milk this morning.
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wait sorry wrong thread
SCIENCE said:
Lift Restrictions And Reopen Now ¡¡¡
Pupils at a rural school south of Port Macquarie were forced to spend the night in the school library are rapidly rising floodwaters cut off the surrounding roads.
Some parents weren’t able to collect their kids in time before access to Kendall Public School was restricted.
Updates were being posted onto the school’s Facebook page throughout the evening yesterday. According to the page, the kids were playing games in the library and reading stories before sleeping in the library.
“The children are now in the classrooms and engaging with staff in stories, playdough activities, computers, games and lots more for the day ahead. All safe and sound here at school,” the page read.
The children had Weetbix, toast, fruit and milk this morning.
—
wait sorry wrong thread
By Riley Stuart
I’m getting swamped with questions about the possible flooding spots in Greater Sydney. The BoM is worried about ALL suburbs near the Hawkesbury-Nepean river system.
Is it possible to see like a map of the Sydney suburbs that the BOM thinks are most likely to be impacted by floods?
-Jack
What would happen if waragamba dam spills over? Is that much of a threat to Sydney/suburbs surrounding the damn or would it have a limited impact?
-what would happen
The ABC’s environment reporter Michael Slezak shared these maps with me. This first one shows what would happen in various different situations, including a “one in 100 year flood” and a “probable maximum flood”.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Lift Restrictions And Reopen Now ¡¡¡
Pupils at a rural school south of Port Macquarie were forced to spend the night in the school library are rapidly rising floodwaters cut off the surrounding roads.
Some parents weren’t able to collect their kids in time before access to Kendall Public School was restricted.
Updates were being posted onto the school’s Facebook page throughout the evening yesterday. According to the page, the kids were playing games in the library and reading stories before sleeping in the library.
“The children are now in the classrooms and engaging with staff in stories, playdough activities, computers, games and lots more for the day ahead. All safe and sound here at school,” the page read.
The children had Weetbix, toast, fruit and milk this morning.
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wait sorry wrong thread
Another One-In-A-Hundred-Year Party We’re Prepared For … Or Are We
“For us, public safety is the main message. You know – stay out of the floodwater. Keep across the Bureau’s warnings. Listen to SES advice, and it’s still an evolving and dynamic situation,” the BoM’s national flood services manager Justin Robinson said.
ah fkov, this is a Democratic Country Where We Enjoy Free Speech Meaning When Our Women Report They Were Raped We Let The Perpetrator Walk Free, public safety messaging and taking precautions against threats to life is never going to work here
On the news they are talking about a third wave in Europe. They must be talking about cases, because looking at the deaths graphs on worldometers they pretty much all are coming down off a second wave.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-20/trump-s-mar-a-lago-club-partially-closed-by-coronavirus/100019352
Should one laugh? I did…
If the dining room is shut…he’ll have to order pizza in…
(I should stop now)
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-20/trump-s-mar-a-lago-club-partially-closed-by-coronavirus/100019352Should one laugh? I did…
:)
quote=SCIENCE
https://cov-lineages.org/global_report_B.1.351.html supposedly up to date 2021-03-17 today
Map showing the logged number of sequences of the variant in each country. Countries with more sequences are shown in darker colours.
The number of sequences of the lineage recorded in each country. The height of the bar is the logged number and the numbers above the bar are the raw counts.
/quote
Thanks for the update, SCIENCE.
It’s looking very bleak in Brazil. Number of cases worldwide has been on the rise for weeks.
The huge number of different coronavirus strains in South Africa comes as a shock. 1405 known coronavirus variants in one country.
I was already aware that the virus diversified very early throughout Europe, as we see from Belgium, UK, France, Germany etc.
I myself have spotted at least three strains in Ecuador, and I’ve heard on the news of at least 2 strains in Brazil.
The overall number of strains worldwide is less than half as high as I feared, but perhaps the information plotted is incomplete.
The more strains there are, the more strains there are that are resistant to vaccines.
buffy said:
On the news they are talking about a third wave in Europe. They must be talking about cases, because looking at the deaths graphs on worldometers they pretty much all are coming down off a second wave.
give it a month
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
On the news they are talking about a third wave in Europe. They must be talking about cases, because looking at the deaths graphs on worldometers they pretty much all are coming down off a second wave.
give it a month
not to be confused with a mexican wave..
Pardon for being fkn stupid, but you know how few people like children dying, and you know how ‘flu’ kills people including children, and you know how there was no ‘flu’ death last year…
So instead of “what about ‘flu’” and arguing that dying less than ‘flu’ (not the case) is acceptable, can’t it be prevented ¿
