i’m uncomfortable with images on the internet of politicians or whatever being modified, i’m not saying it’s wrong, just that it makes me uncomfortable, makes no difference how I initially felt about the person (or even lack of feelings) that the image is of, the discomfort about it is uniform

it could be adding things, beard whatever, adjustments to hair, or it could be distorting the face in some way, whatever

something similar of cartoon like depictions, caricatures whatever, but more tolerant of that, a stronger discomfort about photos interfered with

kids everywhere are doing it with photo editing software on their phones and computers, get a snap of a sibling and shortly after there’s a good chuckle, had it done to me, and done similar myself, swapped heads around

one of the liberties I guess of our culture, a freedom

i’m wondering who takes responsibility for images taken from news sources, modified by whoever, then posted elsewhere, that sort of thing, or is it the intention that once it’s been done nobody is responsible, responsibility is distributed and diluted into oblivion

What about people who overuse Botox and fillers to look like caricatures of themselves?

transition said:

i’m uncomfortable with images on the internet of politicians or whatever being modified, i’m not saying it’s wrong, just that it makes me uncomfortable, makes no difference how I initially felt about the person (or even lack of feelings) that the image is of, the discomfort about it is uniform

it could be adding things, beard whatever, adjustments to hair, or it could be distorting the face in some way, whatever

something similar of cartoon like depictions, caricatures whatever, but more tolerant of that, a stronger discomfort about photos interfered with

kids everywhere are doing it with photo editing software on their phones and computers, get a snap of a sibling and shortly after there’s a good chuckle, had it done to me, and done similar myself, swapped heads around

one of the liberties I guess of our culture, a freedom

i’m wondering who takes responsibility for images taken from news sources, modified by whoever, then posted elsewhere, that sort of thing, or is it the intention that once it’s been done nobody is responsible, responsibility is distributed and diluted into oblivion

You’re idiosyncratic that way, similar to Stumpy Seahorse who objected to caricatures, political cartoons etc.

He didn’t like people being disrespectful of those in power. I couldn’t understand that perspective. I can’t understand yours.

Divine Angel said:

What about people who overuse Botox and fillers to look like caricatures of themselves?

Shane Warne, FMD that was bad

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’m uncomfortable with images on the internet of politicians or whatever being modified, i’m not saying it’s wrong, just that it makes me uncomfortable, makes no difference how I initially felt about the person (or even lack of feelings) that the image is of, the discomfort about it is uniform

it could be adding things, beard whatever, adjustments to hair, or it could be distorting the face in some way, whatever

something similar of cartoon like depictions, caricatures whatever, but more tolerant of that, a stronger discomfort about photos interfered with

kids everywhere are doing it with photo editing software on their phones and computers, get a snap of a sibling and shortly after there’s a good chuckle, had it done to me, and done similar myself, swapped heads around

one of the liberties I guess of our culture, a freedom

i’m wondering who takes responsibility for images taken from news sources, modified by whoever, then posted elsewhere, that sort of thing, or is it the intention that once it’s been done nobody is responsible, responsibility is distributed and diluted into oblivion

You’re idiosyncratic that way, similar to Stumpy Seahorse who objected to caricatures, political cartoons etc.

He didn’t like people being disrespectful of those in power. I couldn’t understand that perspective. I can’t understand yours.

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’m uncomfortable with images on the internet of politicians or whatever being modified, i’m not saying it’s wrong, just that it makes me uncomfortable, makes no difference how I initially felt about the person (or even lack of feelings) that the image is of, the discomfort about it is uniform

it could be adding things, beard whatever, adjustments to hair, or it could be distorting the face in some way, whatever

something similar of cartoon like depictions, caricatures whatever, but more tolerant of that, a stronger discomfort about photos interfered with

kids everywhere are doing it with photo editing software on their phones and computers, get a snap of a sibling and shortly after there’s a good chuckle, had it done to me, and done similar myself, swapped heads around

one of the liberties I guess of our culture, a freedom

i’m wondering who takes responsibility for images taken from news sources, modified by whoever, then posted elsewhere, that sort of thing, or is it the intention that once it’s been done nobody is responsible, responsibility is distributed and diluted into oblivion

You’re idiosyncratic that way, similar to Stumpy Seahorse who objected to caricatures, political cartoons etc.

He didn’t like people being disrespectful of those in power. I couldn’t understand that perspective. I can’t understand yours.

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

transition said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

You’re idiosyncratic that way, similar to Stumpy Seahorse who objected to caricatures, political cartoons etc.

He didn’t like people being disrespectful of those in power. I couldn’t understand that perspective. I can’t understand yours.

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

No but once something is on the Internet it’s released into the wild to evolve into who knows what.
Good or bad (that being subjective)

A good means to take some nasty person down a peg or two

People in positions of power should have to earn that respect not just be assigned it because of the job.

Like I mentioned they disrespect the job by how they act.
Trump for example how could you show him respect even though he’s president when he did everything to not earn any respect

transition said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

You’re idiosyncratic that way, similar to Stumpy Seahorse who objected to caricatures, political cartoons etc.

He didn’t like people being disrespectful of those in power. I couldn’t understand that perspective. I can’t understand yours.

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

So you don’t believe the public should pass adverse judgement on those who rule over them? Or if they do, they shouldn’t freely express it.

Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’m uncomfortable with images on the internet of politicians or whatever being modified, i’m not saying it’s wrong, just that it makes me uncomfortable, makes no difference how I initially felt about the person (or even lack of feelings) that the image is of, the discomfort about it is uniform

it could be adding things, beard whatever, adjustments to hair, or it could be distorting the face in some way, whatever

something similar of cartoon like depictions, caricatures whatever, but more tolerant of that, a stronger discomfort about photos interfered with

kids everywhere are doing it with photo editing software on their phones and computers, get a snap of a sibling and shortly after there’s a good chuckle, had it done to me, and done similar myself, swapped heads around

one of the liberties I guess of our culture, a freedom

i’m wondering who takes responsibility for images taken from news sources, modified by whoever, then posted elsewhere, that sort of thing, or is it the intention that once it’s been done nobody is responsible, responsibility is distributed and diluted into oblivion

You’re idiosyncratic that way, similar to Stumpy Seahorse who objected to caricatures, political cartoons etc.

He didn’t like people being disrespectful of those in power. I couldn’t understand that perspective. I can’t understand yours.

i’m a bit shy of speaking for people that aren’t present, or ones that are present, but that’s probably an idiosyncrasy of mine

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

So you don’t believe the public should pass adverse judgement on those who rule over them? Or if they do, they shouldn’t freely express it.

Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

The moustache guy from Germany copped it in WWII, being made fun of, rallied the people I bet

transition said:

i’m wondering who takes responsibility for images taken from news sources, modified by whoever, then posted elsewhere, that sort of thing, or is it the intention that once it’s been done nobody is responsible, responsibility is distributed and diluted into oblivion

I don’t think anyone takes responsibility in terms of being accountable. Those who are proud of their work might take responsibility for producing it.

It’s a lot worse that just altered images, and it will need to be addressed in a legal / ethical sense soon, or else we’re stuffed.

This Is not Obama…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ54GDm1eL0

having one’s image altered without consent, damn, it’s worse than being met with bullets or perhaps being raped, at least with those you can sometimes escape public awareness

esselte said:

transition said:

i’m wondering who takes responsibility for images taken from news sources, modified by whoever, then posted elsewhere, that sort of thing, or is it the intention that once it’s been done nobody is responsible, responsibility is distributed and diluted into oblivion

I don’t think anyone takes responsibility in terms of being accountable. Those who are proud of their work might take responsibility for producing it.

It’s a lot worse that just altered images, and it will need to be addressed in a legal / ethical sense soon, or else we’re stuffed.

This Is not Obama…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ54GDm1eL0

Deep fake stuff is a worry, one method to tell if it was just a digital image was to look for reflections in the person eyes, that I suppose will only work for so long.
Might need official encryption/digital water marks to show the source is legit

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

So you don’t believe the public should pass adverse judgement on those who rule over them? Or if they do, they shouldn’t freely express it.

Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

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imagine that, the comfort that might be got from being characterized odd by you, if I needed any reassurance

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

So you don’t believe the public should pass adverse judgement on those who rule over them? Or if they do, they shouldn’t freely express it.

Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

People in power deserve it a lot of the time by bringing disrespect to the position

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

So you don’t believe the public should pass adverse judgement on those who rule over them? Or if they do, they shouldn’t freely express it.

Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

A few of us would not be considered normal

meant to fix that

>Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

imagine that, the comfort that might be got from being characterized odd by you, if I needed any reassurance

there ya go, that’ll do

Cymek said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

deserve what exactly

adverse attention I guess you mean, do you have any sort of ideas about the parameters of the adverse attention, or is that the intention, unrestrained sort of wild uncontrollable adverse attention, anything

let’s say your desire to let loose adverse attention, the enthusiasm lands in someone else’s head, they’re a lot less restrained with the sentiments, not as intelligent as you, perhaps they have a cognitive deficit, do you take moral responsibility for licensing enthusiasm for adverse attention

So you don’t believe the public should pass adverse judgement on those who rule over them? Or if they do, they shouldn’t freely express it.

Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

A few of us would not be considered normal

I was told yesterday that I’m too right wing.

transition said:

meant to fix that

>Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

imagine that, the comfort that might be got from being characterized odd by you, if I needed any reassurance

there ya go, that’ll do

It’s the ingrained conservative about you that worries me, more than the odd.

Tamb said:

I was told yesterday that I’m too right wing.

By whom?

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

meant to fix that

>Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

imagine that, the comfort that might be got from being characterized odd by you, if I needed any reassurance

there ya go, that’ll do

It’s the ingrained conservative about you that worries me, more than the odd.

it’s all your head, master car, your stuff is in your head, my stuff is in my head, no need to pretend to be worried about a confusion that doesn’t exit

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

meant to fix that

>Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

imagine that, the comfort that might be got from being characterized odd by you, if I needed any reassurance

there ya go, that’ll do

It’s the ingrained conservative about you that worries me, more than the odd.

it’s all your head, master car, your stuff is in your head, my stuff is in my head, no need to pretend to be worried about a confusion that doesn’t exit

_ doesn’t exist_

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

meant to fix that

>Of this forum’s few ingrained conservatives, you’re definitely the oddest :)

imagine that, the comfort that might be got from being characterized odd by you, if I needed any reassurance

there ya go, that’ll do

It’s the ingrained conservative about you that worries me, more than the odd.

it’s all your head, master car, your stuff is in your head, my stuff is in my head, no need to pretend to be worried about a confusion that doesn’t exit

I’m not necessarily confused :)

You defending right-wing shitbags is apparently all part of your odd regressive nature cultism, hippy fringe of the National Party vibe.

Tamb said:

I was told yesterday that I’m too right wing.

Who said that?

dv said:

Tamb said:

I was told yesterday that I’m too right wing.

Who said that?

A bloke I know who incidentally is a believer in anarchism.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

I was told yesterday that I’m too right wing.

Who said that?

A bloke I know who incidentally is a believer in anarchism.

Well you might be more right wing than him, yes…

dv said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Who said that?

A bloke I know who incidentally is a believer in anarchism.

Well you might be more right wing than him, yes…

Couldn’t be that difficult.

DA is shit scared of anarchists.

Peak Warming Man said:

DA is shit scared of anarchists.

Afraid they’ll end her tyranny probably

Peak Warming Man said:

DA is shit scared of anarchists.

Just realised what you did there :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

DA is shit scared of anarchists.

Just realised what you did there :)

Heh

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s the ingrained conservative about you that worries me, more than the odd.

it’s all your head, master car, your stuff is in your head, my stuff is in my head, no need to pretend to be worried about a confusion that doesn’t exist

I’m not necessarily confused :)

You defending right-wing shitbags is apparently all part of your odd regressive nature cultism, hippy fringe of the National Party vibe.

doubt you’d be able to absorb the reality, maybe I vote opposite to what you might be inclined to believe, i’ll ignore the rest of your try at an insult, and the more general wrongness in the theme, your theme, you should own that if you can

moving on from the incontinent contempt, and what nappy could ever contain that

the OP was fairly specifically about modifying images, my unease about that, which I did point out was uniform unease of all examples, outside any political views, independent of politics

what’s transition outraged by today?

JudgeMental said:

what’s transition outraged by today?

Being judged on the basis of a mistranslation of what he wrote, I think.

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

it’s all your head, master car, your stuff is in your head, my stuff is in my head, no need to pretend to be worried about a confusion that doesn’t exist

I’m not necessarily confused :)

You defending right-wing shitbags is apparently all part of your odd regressive nature cultism, hippy fringe of the National Party vibe.

doubt you’d be able to absorb the reality, maybe I vote opposite to what you might be inclined to believe, i’ll ignore the rest of your try at an insult, and the more general wrongness in the theme, your theme, you should own that if you can

moving on from the incontinent contempt, and what nappy could ever contain that

the OP was fairly specifically about modifying images, my unease about that, which I did point out was uniform unease of all examples, outside any political views, independent of politics

It’s just that from Barnaby onwards, you’ve been pretty consistent in shielding right-wing figures when they’ve come in for criticism in the media and then in here about their behaviour.

Your general response to the lefty commentary that goes on in here could probably be typified as “tut-tutting”.

JudgeMental said:

what’s transition outraged by today?

It’s difficult to tell.

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

what’s transition outraged by today?

Being judged on the basis of a mistranslation of what he wrote, I think.

Hmmmmm maybe if he wrote clearer, less ambiguous posts it would help lucid communication.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m not necessarily confused :)

You defending right-wing shitbags is apparently all part of your odd regressive nature cultism, hippy fringe of the National Party vibe.

doubt you’d be able to absorb the reality, maybe I vote opposite to what you might be inclined to believe, i’ll ignore the rest of your try at an insult, and the more general wrongness in the theme, your theme, you should own that if you can

moving on from the incontinent contempt, and what nappy could ever contain that

the OP was fairly specifically about modifying images, my unease about that, which I did point out was uniform unease of all examples, outside any political views, independent of politics

It’s just that from Barnaby onwards, you’ve been pretty consistent in shielding right-wing figures when they’ve come in for criticism in the media and then in here about their behaviour.

Your general response to the lefty commentary that goes on in here could probably be typified as “tut-tutting”.

…not suggesting that you get on my wick or suchlike, I do actually like you :)

Don’t take these remarks too seriously.

JudgeMental said:

what’s transition outraged by today?

no outrage

think about this though, you’re considering a job that puts you in the public sphere, not only are you faced with the possibility of any picture, or any frame in film being used (which there are always unflattering ones to choose from, or something that may lend to that) but further there’s the possibility anyone can make adjustments to the images, distortions essentially, tampering, a type of interference if you will, and post them onto the internet

this i’d expect strongly influences the types of people that might volunteer for a job in the public sphere, and how many, so may influence the quality of the people that might volunteer, and as it goes not all the people that are averse to that are bad people, some of them could be the best people for the job

so the idea is that many good people might tolerate an unflattering natural picture of themselves, a still, or even if an unflattering frame from film, anyway I suspect that many good people may not volunteer for work in the public sphere where anybody can tamper with images

transition said:

JudgeMental said:

what’s transition outraged by today?

no outrage

think about this though, you’re considering a job that puts you in the public sphere, not only are you faced with the possibility of any picture, or any frame in film being used (which there are always unflattering ones to choose from, or something that may lend to that) but further there’s the possibility anyone can make adjustments to the images, distortions essentially, tampering, a type of interference if you will, and post them onto the internet

this i’d expect strongly influences the types of people that might volunteer for a job in the public sphere, and how many, so may influence the quality of the people that might volunteer, and as it goes not all the people that are averse to that are bad people, some of them could be the best people for the job

so the idea is that many good people might tolerate an unflattering natural picture of themselves, a still, or even if an unflattering frame from film, anyway I suspect that many good people may not volunteer for work in the public sphere where anybody can tamper with images

You may be overthinking the influence they have on job prospects, they may not exist until you are in the public sphere and become known.
What you say on social media that is distasteful to the general norm could have an effect on job prospects

Or, and here’s a wild idea, society can stop obsessing over looks 🤷🏻‍♀️

Welcome to the internet, where any data posted can be tampered with. You don’t have to be famous. You don’t have to be in a senior position. You don’t have to have a Wikipedia page. Anyone can lift your data and alter it.

Divine Angel said:

Or, and here’s a wild idea, society can stop obsessing over looks 🤷🏻‍♀️

Welcome to the internet, where any data posted can be tampered with. You don’t have to be famous. You don’t have to be in a senior position. You don’t have to have a Wikipedia page. Anyone can lift your data and alter it.

Common ground? Not everyone will walk on that.

Cymek said:

transition said:

JudgeMental said:

what’s transition outraged by today?

no outrage

think about this though, you’re considering a job that puts you in the public sphere, not only are you faced with the possibility of any picture, or any frame in film being used (which there are always unflattering ones to choose from, or something that may lend to that) but further there’s the possibility anyone can make adjustments to the images, distortions essentially, tampering, a type of interference if you will, and post them onto the internet

this i’d expect strongly influences the types of people that might volunteer for a job in the public sphere, and how many, so may influence the quality of the people that might volunteer, and as it goes not all the people that are averse to that are bad people, some of them could be the best people for the job

so the idea is that many good people might tolerate an unflattering natural picture of themselves, a still, or even if an unflattering frame from film, anyway I suspect that many good people may not volunteer for work in the public sphere where anybody can tamper with images

You may be overthinking the influence they have on job prospects, they may not exist until you are in the public sphere and become known.
What you say on social media that is distasteful to the general norm could have an effect on job prospects

you’d need ask someone with a public profile, do a survey maybe, measure what they perceive of unconstrained liberties that way, tampering with images specifically, and ask people considering a job in the public sphere, and possibly measure something of the same thing in people that avoid the public sphere for such reasons

my opinion is tampering with images is another level

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Or, and here’s a wild idea, society can stop obsessing over looks 🤷🏻‍♀️

Welcome to the internet, where any data posted can be tampered with. You don’t have to be famous. You don’t have to be in a senior position. You don’t have to have a Wikipedia page. Anyone can lift your data and alter it.

Common ground? Not everyone will walk on that.

I doubt any images of me exist on the Internet, I think I posted one years ago for the page Purple ran on SSSF faces.
Never posted anything since and very few exist of me anyway
My Facebook account is under a nickname and has no information on me, have no other social media accounts

transition said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

no outrage

think about this though, you’re considering a job that puts you in the public sphere, not only are you faced with the possibility of any picture, or any frame in film being used (which there are always unflattering ones to choose from, or something that may lend to that) but further there’s the possibility anyone can make adjustments to the images, distortions essentially, tampering, a type of interference if you will, and post them onto the internet

this i’d expect strongly influences the types of people that might volunteer for a job in the public sphere, and how many, so may influence the quality of the people that might volunteer, and as it goes not all the people that are averse to that are bad people, some of them could be the best people for the job

so the idea is that many good people might tolerate an unflattering natural picture of themselves, a still, or even if an unflattering frame from film, anyway I suspect that many good people may not volunteer for work in the public sphere where anybody can tamper with images

You may be overthinking the influence they have on job prospects, they may not exist until you are in the public sphere and become known.
What you say on social media that is distasteful to the general norm could have an effect on job prospects

you’d need ask someone with a public profile, do a survey maybe, measure what they perceive of unconstrained liberties that way, tampering with images specifically, and ask people considering a job in the public sphere, and possibly measure something of the same thing in people that avoid the public sphere for such reasons

my opinion is tampering with images is another level

Like putting our PM’s head on the body of a porn star

If you’re talking about caricatures, I imagine good and worthwhile people would conclude: “Nice caricaturists wouldn’t tamper with my image in a way I’d find insulting, they only do that to the nasty public figures. The nastier caricaturists would try to insult me but it wouldn’t work, because I don’t respect their opinions.”

Bubblecar said:

If you’re talking about caricatures, I imagine good and worthwhile people would conclude: “Nice caricaturists wouldn’t tamper with my image in a way I’d find insulting, they only do that to the nasty public figures. The nastier caricaturists would try to insult me but it wouldn’t work, because I don’t respect their opinions.”

Caricatures really only exaggerate the nose and ears anyway.

Cymek said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

You may be overthinking the influence they have on job prospects, they may not exist until you are in the public sphere and become known.
What you say on social media that is distasteful to the general norm could have an effect on job prospects

you’d need ask someone with a public profile, do a survey maybe, measure what they perceive of unconstrained liberties that way, tampering with images specifically, and ask people considering a job in the public sphere, and possibly measure something of the same thing in people that avoid the public sphere for such reasons

my opinion is tampering with images is another level

Like putting our PM’s head on the body of a porn star

well yeah, but it’s the liberty to do that sort of thing that interests me, the liberty taken, the potential for abuse, not the content or specifics of any example

if the liberty is creeping, that trends in the opposite direction to many people objecting to it, or even being able to ignore it, so you could ask what does it normalize more broadly, it’s not like people have a faculty for such a thing, and evolved faculty to deal with it

Divine Angel said:

Bubblecar said:

If you’re talking about caricatures, I imagine good and worthwhile people would conclude: “Nice caricaturists wouldn’t tamper with my image in a way I’d find insulting, they only do that to the nasty public figures. The nastier caricaturists would try to insult me but it wouldn’t work, because I don’t respect their opinions.”

Caricatures really only exaggerate the nose and ears anyway.

Or eyes, as I did last night in these couple of modifications to a snap of SS Gauleiter Dutton (original on left), exaggerating his disparity in eye size to make him look even more power-crazed and nasty.

I imagine it was these images, amongst others, that inspired transition’s thread. He says such distortions “make him uncomfortable”, but Dutton makes me very uncomfortable.

I also modified this moron (but not by much) to make him look even more moronic.

AFAIC, such caricatures are all part of acceptable public criticism of public figures deserving of disapproval, particularly if they hold important and powerful positions for which they are unworthy.

Bubblecar said:

I also modified this moron (but not by much) to make him look even more moronic.

AFAIC, such caricatures are all part of acceptable public criticism of public figures deserving of disapproval, particularly if they hold important and powerful positions for which they are unworthy.

I guess it could probably be seen as like pulling faces at someone, or mocking them with gestures, but using modified images of them, sort of reversing things

what inspires you though, what’s the conversation in your head when you do that, the sentiments

is it like I hate you and hope everyone else does too, something like that

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

I also modified this moron (but not by much) to make him look even more moronic.

AFAIC, such caricatures are all part of acceptable public criticism of public figures deserving of disapproval, particularly if they hold important and powerful positions for which they are unworthy.

I guess it could probably be seen as like pulling faces at someone, or mocking them with gestures, but using modified images of them, sort of reversing things

what inspires you though, what’s the conversation in your head when you do that, the sentiments

is it like I hate you and hope everyone else does too, something like that

Just a small element of satisfaction at being able to ridicule ridiculous figures, as a passing contribution to conversation.

It only takes a minute in Photoshop.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

I also modified this moron (but not by much) to make him look even more moronic.

AFAIC, such caricatures are all part of acceptable public criticism of public figures deserving of disapproval, particularly if they hold important and powerful positions for which they are unworthy.

I guess it could probably be seen as like pulling faces at someone, or mocking them with gestures, but using modified images of them, sort of reversing things

what inspires you though, what’s the conversation in your head when you do that, the sentiments

is it like I hate you and hope everyone else does too, something like that

Just a small element of satisfaction at being able to ridicule ridiculous figures, as a passing contribution to conversation.

It only takes a minute in Photoshop.

the gist was in there when you used the word moron, seemed genuine

anyway it’s not something i’d be inclined to do, nothing to do with politics, or political figures, but there it is, out there, sometimes unavoidable

Bubblecar said:

I also modified this moron (but not by much) to make him look even more moronic.

AFAIC, such caricatures are all part of acceptable public criticism of public figures deserving of disapproval, particularly if they hold important and powerful positions for which they are unworthy.

Had somebody tell me recently that they thought he should be PM because he says what he thinks.
I’ve heard others say exactly the same about Pauline.

If saying what you think was the main aspect of leadership, then we’s all be called lying cows.

Related, in some ways:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210324-the-hidden-fingerprint-inside-your-photos?utm_source=pocket-newtab