No new locally transmitted cases in Qld today
Divine Angel said:
No new locally transmitted cases in Qld today
Great!
:)
Seems like the short-sharp lockdown with serious contact tracing and home-quarantine is a terrific working model.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
No new locally transmitted cases in Qld today
Great!
:)
Seems like the short-sharp lockdown with serious contact tracing and home-quarantine is a terrific working model.
Let’s see what happens this week when idiots fled Brisbane and took their germs to Gold or Sunshine Coasts.
Detergent does not remove Liquid Nails from my hands.
I’ll try some turps.
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
No new locally transmitted cases in Qld today
Great!
:)
Seems like the short-sharp lockdown with serious contact tracing and home-quarantine is a terrific working model.
Let’s see what happens this week when idiots fled Brisbane and took their germs to Gold or Sunshine Coasts.
are you saying that the short-sharp lockdown with serious contact tracing and home-quarantine is a terrific way to spread your fun and games to the rest of the world while you clean up your own mess
Peak Warming Man said:
Detergent does not remove Liquid Nails from my hands.
I’ll try some turps.
Internets recommends mineral or vegetable oil massaged into it, then scrub with soap and water.
Repeats may be needed.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Detergent does not remove Liquid Nails from my hands.
I’ll try some turps.
Internets recommends mineral or vegetable oil massaged into it, then scrub with soap and water.
Repeats may be needed.
use a claw hammer to pull the nails out
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
No new locally transmitted cases in Qld today
Great!
:)
Seems like the short-sharp lockdown with serious contact tracing and home-quarantine is a terrific working model.
Let’s see what happens this week when idiots fled Brisbane and took their germs to Gold or Sunshine Coasts.
And Rainbow Beach. I’m not going to interact with the woman across the road, who did just that. Normally we do catch up.
Peak Warming Man said:
Detergent does not remove Liquid Nails from my hands.
I’ll try some turps.
No worries.
https://www.sciencealert.com/flu-shots-linked-to-drop-in-covid-19-infections-and-scientists-aren-t-sure-why
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-04-04/covid-19-treatments-death-rate-australia-2021/100021346
I read the headline and thought what?! Deaths per million we are waaaay down the chart. But they are talking deaths per confirmed cases. Which is dodgy as. Because “confirmed cases” is so unreliable. If you are going to talk death rates for a disease, you really need to know deaths per infections – and with this bug that is unknowable because of the asymptomatics. And because there isn’t a program of testing all of a population to see exactly what the infection rate is. You could do that with antibody testing. But it would be very costly.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-04-04/covid-19-treatments-death-rate-australia-2021/100021346I read the headline and thought what?! Deaths per million we are waaaay down the chart. But they are talking deaths per confirmed cases. Which is dodgy as. Because “confirmed cases” is so unreliable. If you are going to talk death rates for a disease, you really need to know deaths per infections – and with this bug that is unknowable because of the asymptomatics. And because there isn’t a program of testing all of a population to see exactly what the infection rate is. You could do that with antibody testing. But it would be very costly.
I read the headline and didn’t bother reading further.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-04-04/covid-19-treatments-death-rate-australia-2021/100021346I read the headline and thought what?! Deaths per million we are waaaay down the chart. But they are talking deaths per confirmed cases. Which is dodgy as. Because “confirmed cases” is so unreliable. If you are going to talk death rates for a disease, you really need to know deaths per infections – and with this bug that is unknowable because of the asymptomatics. And because there isn’t a program of testing all of a population to see exactly what the infection rate is. You could do that with antibody testing. But it would be very costly.
Also.
Dr Rayner said these “very specific antibodies” had been developed to fight SARS-CoV-2 and its spike protein and effectively “damped the cause” of COVID-19, rather than its symptoms.
He said some of these monoclonals were “great but expensive”, but as more technology became available, the price would drop.
Classic Capitalist DPRNA Shit
Apparently it’s expensive to get partially effective treatments, and it’s expensive to save lives by early hard restrictions and masks, but one of these involves putting shootings on hold for a few weeks and the other requires people to bankrupt themselves for medical treatment so let’s go with the expensive treatments¡
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-04-04/covid-19-treatments-death-rate-australia-2021/100021346I read the headline and thought what?! Deaths per million we are waaaay down the chart. But they are talking deaths per confirmed cases. Which is dodgy as. Because “confirmed cases” is so unreliable. If you are going to talk death rates for a disease, you really need to know deaths per infections – and with this bug that is unknowable because of the asymptomatics. And because there isn’t a program of testing all of a population to see exactly what the infection rate is. You could do that with antibody testing. But it would be very costly.
The US, by comparison, has recorded 29.5 million confirmed cases and 537,200 deaths, meaning its mortality rate is roughly 1.8 per cent.
Dr Tong said the main reason for Australia’s comparatively higher death rate was because during Australia’s second wave, the virus hit nursing homes “really hard”.
doubt it, we put it out there that mollwollfumble is at least partially correct and the DPRNA are basically lying about their deaths and possibly even worse than the ASIANS, even Rebekah Jones says so
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-04-04/covid-19-treatments-death-rate-australia-2021/100021346I read the headline and thought what?! Deaths per million we are waaaay down the chart. But they are talking deaths per confirmed cases. Which is dodgy as. Because “confirmed cases” is so unreliable. If you are going to talk death rates for a disease, you really need to know deaths per infections – and with this bug that is unknowable because of the asymptomatics. And because there isn’t a program of testing all of a population to see exactly what the infection rate is. You could do that with antibody testing. But it would be very costly.
The US, by comparison, has recorded 29.5 million confirmed cases and 537,200 deaths, meaning its mortality rate is roughly 1.8 per cent.
Dr Tong said the main reason for Australia’s comparatively higher death rate was because during Australia’s second wave, the virus hit nursing homes “really hard”.
doubt it, we put it out there that mollwollfumble is at least partially correct and the DPRNA are basically lying about their deaths and possibly even worse than the ASIANS, even Rebekah Jones says so
SCIENCE partially agrees with moll?
What is the world coming to?
If we can keep covid going for another 12 months we’ll be cold but sweet.
Peak Warming Man said:
If we can keep covid going for another 12 months we’ll be cold but sweet.
Should be in the thread: https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/14874/
mollwollfumble said:
Peak Warming Man said:
If we can keep covid going for another 12 months we’ll be cold but sweet.
Should be in the thread: https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/14874/
The interaction between industrial activity and temperatures is certainly interesting, but plotting some rough trend lines on that graph suggests that the latest low is well within the trends of the last 40 years or so:
The Queensland government is looking at having a dedicated coronavirus hospital in Brisbane, to reduce the risk of another outbreak in the state.
—
LOL imagine that
SCIENCE said:
The Queensland government is looking at having a dedicated coronavirus hospital in Brisbane, to reduce the risk of another outbreak in the state.—
LOL imagine that
Last I heard they were considering RBWH.
We know now that China began vaccinations in July 2020, and had 1.5 million vaccinated by end Nov 2020.
And that Russia started even earlier, with vaccination of virus researchers in Apr 2020, and had 100 thousand vaccinated by end Nov 2020.
But did you know that development of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine was completed before 27 Mar 2020? It hasn’t changed since that date, so was more than 8 months old at first general release.
mollwollfumble said:
But did you know that development of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine was completed before 27 Mar 2020? It hasn’t changed since that date, so was more than 8 months old at first general release.
Ref?
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:But did you know that development of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine was completed before 27 Mar 2020? It hasn’t changed since that date, so was more than 8 months old at first general release.
Ref?
mollwollfumble said:
We know now that China began vaccinations in July 2020, and had 1.5 million vaccinated by end Nov 2020.
And that Russia started even earlier, with vaccination of virus researchers in Apr 2020, and had 100 thousand vaccinated by end Nov 2020.But did you know that development of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine was completed before 27 Mar 2020? It hasn’t changed since that date, so was more than 8 months old at first general release.
Testing is a good thing.
Peak Warming Man said:
Detergent does not remove Liquid Nails from my hands.
I’ll try some turps.
A good long soak in the bath and it will rub off or scrub off .
Brett
Thomo said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Detergent does not remove Liquid Nails from my hands.
I’ll try some turps.
A good long soak in the bath and it will rub off or scrub off .
Brett
So in other words warm soapy water. Works for superglue too.
from your ABC
Chile has rolled out COVID-19 vaccines at a faster rate than anywhere else in the world, with almost half the population now having received at least one dose of either the Chinese Sinovac or US Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
But, last week the country imposed strict new lockdown rules to fight a severe second wave. Yesterday, Chile recorded 7,993 new cases and 103 deaths bringing the cumulative totals to 1,026,785 and 23,644 respectively.
More than 80 per cent of the country, including the capital Santiago, had been put under a strict lockdown preventing them leaving the house even to buy groceries over the weekend. During the week, each person is allowed two short-term permits to leave the house to buy essentials and can exercise outdoors between 7:00am and 8:30am. Only 169 intensive care beds remain available nationwide – an occupancy rate of more than 95 per cent.
The warnings you may have heard about come from apparent mixed messaging from health officials and the government. Health experts have accused the government of allowing the triumph of its vaccination program to muddy its message, resulting in citizens dropping their guard – a claim angrily rejected by Health Minister Enrique Paris. “The issue with communication is that it hasn’t been consistent across government. While the health ministry has repeatedly called on people to look after themselves, the economy minister has been opening casinos, gyms and cinemas.” said Dr Ximena Aguilera, an epidemiologist who sits on the government’s COVID-19 advisory committee told The Guardian.
wewuz guna laugh and make snide comments about how this is all because they used the CHINA vaccines and all the questions about efficacy that haven’t been answered but unfortunately we kept reading
The vaccination program has resulted in a tailing off of hospital admissions among people in their 60s and 70s, but they have been replaced by a growing number of people in their 40s and 50s, health ministry figures show. “I’m confident that the vaccines will ease the caseload once enough of the population has had their jabs, but any positive effect in terms of reducing hospitalisations and serious cases in older people is unlikely to be seen before mid-April,” said Dr Aguilera.
so that’s how well AstraZeneca works as well, and federal marketing here want to let it rip once most people have been shot, this should be good
SCIENCE said:
from your ABCChile has rolled out COVID-19 vaccines at a faster rate than anywhere else in the world, with almost half the population now having received at least one dose of either the Chinese Sinovac or US Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
But, last week the country imposed strict new lockdown rules to fight a severe second wave. Yesterday, Chile recorded 7,993 new cases and 103 deaths bringing the cumulative totals to 1,026,785 and 23,644 respectively.
More than 80 per cent of the country, including the capital Santiago, had been put under a strict lockdown preventing them leaving the house even to buy groceries over the weekend. During the week, each person is allowed two short-term permits to leave the house to buy essentials and can exercise outdoors between 7:00am and 8:30am. Only 169 intensive care beds remain available nationwide – an occupancy rate of more than 95 per cent.
The warnings you may have heard about come from apparent mixed messaging from health officials and the government. Health experts have accused the government of allowing the triumph of its vaccination program to muddy its message, resulting in citizens dropping their guard – a claim angrily rejected by Health Minister Enrique Paris. “The issue with communication is that it hasn’t been consistent across government. While the health ministry has repeatedly called on people to look after themselves, the economy minister has been opening casinos, gyms and cinemas.” said Dr Ximena Aguilera, an epidemiologist who sits on the government’s COVID-19 advisory committee told The Guardian.
wewuz guna laugh and make snide comments about how this is all because they used the CHINA vaccines and all the questions about efficacy that haven’t been answered but unfortunately we kept reading
The vaccination program has resulted in a tailing off of hospital admissions among people in their 60s and 70s, but they have been replaced by a growing number of people in their 40s and 50s, health ministry figures show. “I’m confident that the vaccines will ease the caseload once enough of the population has had their jabs, but any positive effect in terms of reducing hospitalisations and serious cases in older people is unlikely to be seen before mid-April,” said Dr Aguilera.
so that’s how well AstraZeneca works as well, and federal marketing here want to let it rip once most people have been shot, this should be good
The effects of the vaccinations in the UK have been phenomenal.
No new locally-acquired COVID-19 cases in QLD. This is a great outcome.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-05/covid-live-updates/100048350
No new cases in Qld.
roughbarked said:
Thomo said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Detergent does not remove Liquid Nails from my hands.
I’ll try some turps.
A good long soak in the bath and it will rub off or scrub off .
Brett
So in other words warm soapy water. Works for superglue too.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
from your ABCChile has rolled out COVID-19 vaccines at a faster rate than anywhere else in the world, with almost half the population now having received at least one dose of either the Chinese Sinovac or US Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
But, last week the country imposed strict new lockdown rules to fight a severe second wave. Yesterday, Chile recorded 7,993 new cases and 103 deaths bringing the cumulative totals to 1,026,785 and 23,644 respectively.
More than 80 per cent of the country, including the capital Santiago, had been put under a strict lockdown preventing them leaving the house even to buy groceries over the weekend. During the week, each person is allowed two short-term permits to leave the house to buy essentials and can exercise outdoors between 7:00am and 8:30am. Only 169 intensive care beds remain available nationwide – an occupancy rate of more than 95 per cent.
The warnings you may have heard about come from apparent mixed messaging from health officials and the government. Health experts have accused the government of allowing the triumph of its vaccination program to muddy its message, resulting in citizens dropping their guard – a claim angrily rejected by Health Minister Enrique Paris. “The issue with communication is that it hasn’t been consistent across government. While the health ministry has repeatedly called on people to look after themselves, the economy minister has been opening casinos, gyms and cinemas.” said Dr Ximena Aguilera, an epidemiologist who sits on the government’s COVID-19 advisory committee told The Guardian.
wewuz guna laugh and make snide comments about how this is all because they used the CHINA vaccines and all the questions about efficacy that haven’t been answered but unfortunately we kept reading
The vaccination program has resulted in a tailing off of hospital admissions among people in their 60s and 70s, but they have been replaced by a growing number of people in their 40s and 50s, health ministry figures show. “I’m confident that the vaccines will ease the caseload once enough of the population has had their jabs, but any positive effect in terms of reducing hospitalisations and serious cases in older people is unlikely to be seen before mid-April,” said Dr Aguilera.
so that’s how well AstraZeneca works as well, and federal marketing here want to let it rip once most people have been shot, this should be good
The effects of the vaccinations in the UK have been phenomenal.
Good Point Fortunately Everyone Has Been Staying Away From Home Letting It Rip For The Economy Must Grow Oh Wait
Burn, baby, burn.
captain_spalding said:
Burn, baby, burn.
hahahaha
captain_spalding said:
Burn, baby, burn.
That’s funny until you notice it’s the same person telling the entire knock-knock joke.
captain_spalding said:
Burn, baby, burn.
LOLOL
Speedy said:
captain_spalding said:
Burn, baby, burn.
That’s funny until you notice it’s the same person telling the entire knock-knock joke.
Yes, strange.
Bubblecar said:
Speedy said:
captain_spalding said:
Burn, baby, burn.
That’s funny until you notice it’s the same person telling the entire knock-knock joke.
Yes, strange.
I think the quoted part in the first post is what he is responding to.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Speedy said:That’s funny until you notice it’s the same person telling the entire knock-knock joke.
Yes, strange.
I think the quoted part in the first post is what he is responding to.
so are we advising the fellow of manufacturing a convenient quote to set up a Sunday* roast or are we justifying it as it was quoted
*: well all right Friday then
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Yes, strange.
I think the quoted part in the first post is what he is responding to.
so are we advising the fellow of manufacturing a convenient quote to set up a Sunday* roast or are we justifying it as it was quoted
*: well all right Friday then
He did not quote a source, so the entire thing is FAKE!!!
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Yes, strange.
I think the quoted part in the first post is what he is responding to.
so are we advising the fellow of manufacturing a convenient quote to set up a Sunday* roast or are we justifying it as it was quoted
*: well all right Friday then
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Yes, strange.
I think the quoted part in the first post is what he is responding to.
so are we advising the fellow of manufacturing a convenient quote to set up a Sunday* roast or are we justifying it as it was quoted
*: well all right Friday then
It’s Monday. Of course we’re not justifying the quote. Just seemed odd replying to his own post like that.
Bubblecar said:
It’s Monday. Of course we’re not justifying the quote. Just seemed odd replying to his own post like that.
Like what?
It’s common to reply to one’s tweet. They only allow limited characters so if you have something longer to say, you create a thread.
Kind of like how Bubblecar replies to himself 😜
but but but but but it says twelve slash eighteen slash twenty
Divine Angel said:
It’s common to reply to one’s tweet. They only allow limited characters so if you have something longer to say, you create a thread.Kind of like how Bubblecar replies to himself 😜
Usually they screen-grab another’s post to start the joke though. Writing his own opening line is a bit sus.
Speedy said:
Divine Angel said:
It’s common to reply to one’s tweet. They only allow limited characters so if you have something longer to say, you create a thread.Kind of like how Bubblecar replies to himself 😜
Usually they screen-grab another’s post to start the joke though. Writing his own opening line is a bit sus.
He may be a medico quoting an anonymous patient.
Speedy said:
Usually they screen-grab another’s post to start the joke though. Writing his own opening line is a bit sus.
^
Okay, time for another test drive. Appropriate clothing? Check. Appropriate footwear? Check. Mobile phone? Check.
Bubblecar said:
Speedy said:
captain_spalding said:
Burn, baby, burn.
That’s funny until you notice it’s the same person telling the entire knock-knock joke.
Yes, strange.
It’s not all that strange, on Twitter
dv said:
It’s not all that strange, on Twitter
We could do with that in Melbourne.
rush rush rush seriously
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-05/covid-vaccine-rollout-has-been-too-slow/100048788
the title is “Federal government’s COVID vaccine rollout slower than most by international standards” and they say
Australia’s vaccination rollout has been too slow and we need to get on with it, immunisation expert Professor Robert Booy has said. The infectious diseases expert, from the vaccine advocacy group Immunisation Coalition, said the planning strategy for deploying the vaccine across the country needed to be “greatly improved.”
LOL, Coalition
In the United States, about 1.5 million people are being vaccinated every day. “At least we could emulate them and copy them at our level, which would be 100,000 doses a day and then we could build up from there,” he said.
like seriously, “slower than most by international”, did we forget that “let’s be like everyone else” isn’t exactly the best benchmark for success, should we be unhappy that our COVID-19 cases or deaths or complications are lower than most by international standards
let’s fucking not emulate the USSA and copy them and build there
The biggest concern, said Professor Booy, was if a new highly transmissible variant became more pervasive across the country.
more pervasive than zero then, well, that would be a concern because it would mean our quarantine protections are failing
Behaviour change and our COVID-free status could put more people at risk. “So many are loving that the fact that Australia is free of COVID, essentially. And they’re loving the fact they can be with their friends again and hug and kiss,” he said. “But we’re going to spread virus if it gets out. “So the combination of complacency, behaviour change and the possibility of the virus mutating to a more transmissible form is something that should concern us and therefore we should concentrate on how best to distribute the vaccine.”
so what they should be saying is, if people are going to get complacent once we rush to roll out an ineffective and relatively higher risk vaccine, then maybe we should actually concentrate on how to achieve immunisation with an effective and lower risk vaccine, and maintain precautions until then
Novel HIV vaccine approach shows promise in “landmark” first-in-human trial
A novel vaccine approach for the prevention of HIV has shown promise in Phase I trials, reported IAVI and Scripps Research. According to the organisations, the vaccine successfully stimulated the production of the rare immune cells needed to generate antibodies against HIV in 97 percent of participants.
According to the team, using mRNA technology could significantly accelerate the pace of HIV vaccine development, as it did with vaccines for COVID-19. As a next step, the collaborators are partnering with the biotechnology company Moderna to develop and test an mRNA-based vaccine that harnesses the approach to produce the same beneficial immune cells.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/a/6zQMnQ/anders-tegnell-hade-nog-ratt-trots-kritiken
Sorry, I don’t understand.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/a/6zQMnQ/anders-tegnell-hade-nog-ratt-trots-kritiken
Sorry, I don’t understand.
I think it says that Anders had a critical case of the trots.
Nice news:
Tamb said:
Nice news:
Sure is.
:)
These countries should — and can — step up to help end the COVID-19 pandemic, she says. “But it’s been undermined by the way wealthy countries have negotiated deals with pharmaceutical companies and made a global grab for vaccines, and that has meant there’s been really limited supply for COVAX to use to meet the needs of low-income countries.” Luckily, there is a way to manufacture billions more vaccine doses quickly and cheaply, and deliver them to people who need them. And something like it’s been done before.
For Dr Gleeson and Professor Toole, the best way to alleviate this supply shortage is that intellectual property rights for COVID-19 medical products be waived for the duration of the pandemic, a proposal put forward by India and South Africa to the World Trade Organization (WTO) in October last year. The WTO regulates intellectual property rights at the global level through the trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights, or TRIPS, agreement. A waiver would let countries make vaccines locally without having to negotiate a voluntary agreement with the drug companies on an ad hoc basis.
But the proposal is being opposed by wealthy countries, Dr Gleeson added. “The US, the EU, the UK are countries that have big pharmaceutical industries and want to protect the profitability of those industries. “But Australia is not supporting the proposal either, which is really disappointing and surprising, given that Australia is suffering the effects of the supply shortfall.”
SCIENCE said:
Wealthy Countries Are Trying To Increase The Scope For CHINA Vaccine Diplomacy
- COVAX was set up in April last year, and Australia is one of the 190 countries to have signed up
- Experts say it is not having the desired effect, because wealthy countries are stockpiling more vaccines than they need
- They say the pandemic won’t end until 2024 if the trend continues
These countries should — and can — step up to help end the COVID-19 pandemic, she says. “But it’s been undermined by the way wealthy countries have negotiated deals with pharmaceutical companies and made a global grab for vaccines, and that has meant there’s been really limited supply for COVAX to use to meet the needs of low-income countries.” Luckily, there is a way to manufacture billions more vaccine doses quickly and cheaply, and deliver them to people who need them. And something like it’s been done before.
For Dr Gleeson and Professor Toole, the best way to alleviate this supply shortage is that intellectual property rights for COVID-19 medical products be waived for the duration of the pandemic, a proposal put forward by India and South Africa to the World Trade Organization (WTO) in October last year. The WTO regulates intellectual property rights at the global level through the trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights, or TRIPS, agreement. A waiver would let countries make vaccines locally without having to negotiate a voluntary agreement with the drug companies on an ad hoc basis.
But the proposal is being opposed by wealthy countries, Dr Gleeson added. “The US, the EU, the UK are countries that have big pharmaceutical industries and want to protect the profitability of those industries. “But Australia is not supporting the proposal either, which is really disappointing and surprising, given that Australia is suffering the effects of the supply shortfall.”
Pretty much expected SNAFU behaviour isn’t it, people reacted the way I thought they would, dumb or selfish or both
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Wealthy Countries Are Trying To Increase The Scope For CHINA Vaccine Diplomacy
- COVAX was set up in April last year, and Australia is one of the 190 countries to have signed up
- Experts say it is not having the desired effect, because wealthy countries are stockpiling more vaccines than they need
- They say the pandemic won’t end until 2024 if the trend continues
These countries should — and can — step up to help end the COVID-19 pandemic, she says. “But it’s been undermined by the way wealthy countries have negotiated deals with pharmaceutical companies and made a global grab for vaccines, and that has meant there’s been really limited supply for COVAX to use to meet the needs of low-income countries.” Luckily, there is a way to manufacture billions more vaccine doses quickly and cheaply, and deliver them to people who need them. And something like it’s been done before.
For Dr Gleeson and Professor Toole, the best way to alleviate this supply shortage is that intellectual property rights for COVID-19 medical products be waived for the duration of the pandemic, a proposal put forward by India and South Africa to the World Trade Organization (WTO) in October last year. The WTO regulates intellectual property rights at the global level through the trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights, or TRIPS, agreement. A waiver would let countries make vaccines locally without having to negotiate a voluntary agreement with the drug companies on an ad hoc basis.
But the proposal is being opposed by wealthy countries, Dr Gleeson added. “The US, the EU, the UK are countries that have big pharmaceutical industries and want to protect the profitability of those industries. “But Australia is not supporting the proposal either, which is really disappointing and surprising, given that Australia is suffering the effects of the supply shortfall.”
Pretty much expected SNAFU behaviour isn’t it, people reacted the way I thought they would, dumb or selfish or both
TBH Australians put up, shut up, and successfully halted the local pandemic quite a few times so there’s still hope. We still thank them too.
y’all’ill probably like this one
New Zealand will allow Australian travellers to enter the country without mandatory hotel quarantine from April 19.
Ms Ardern warned people to be prepared to have their travel plans changed at short notice, including landing and going into hotel quarantine. “Those undertaking travel on either side of the ditch will do so under the guidance of flyer beware,” she said.
Like New Zealanders coming to Australia, anyone flying into NZ will go through a “green zone” in airports and will be kept separate from other people flying in from around the world. The bubble means Australians can fly to anywhere in New Zealand, as long as there are flights operating.
Ms Ardern has outlined the three responses if a case was detected in Australia: continue, pause or suspend the bubble.
No, you don’t have to have one to travel to New Zealand or to come back to Australia.
Coronavirus variants mean we can’t rely on vaccination. We need global suppression
vaccines will not be enough. We need global ‘maximum suppression’
At the end of 2020, there was a strong hope that high levels of vaccination would see humanity finally gain the upper hand over SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. In an ideal scenario, the virus would then be contained at very low levels without further societal disruption or significant numbers of deaths. But since then, new “variants of concern” have emerged and spread worldwide, putting current pandemic control efforts, including vaccination, at risk of being derailed.
As members of the Lancet COVID-19 Commission Taskforce on Public Health, we call for urgent action in response to the new variants. These new variants mean we cannot rely on the vaccines alone to provide protection but must maintain strong public health measures to reduce the risk from these variants. At the same time, we need to accelerate the vaccine program in all countries in an equitable way.
Each time the virus replicates, there is an opportunity for a mutation to occur. And as we are already seeing around the world, some of the resulting variants risk eroding the effectiveness of vaccines. That’s why we have called for a global strategy of “maximum suppression”. Public health leaders should focus on efforts that maximally suppress viral infection rates, thus helping to prevent the emergence of mutations that can become new variants of concern.
Prompt vaccine rollouts alone will not be enough to achieve this; continued public health measures, such as face masks and physical distancing, will be vital too. Ventilation of indoor spaces is important, some of which is under people’s control, some of which will require adjustments to buildings.
SCIENCE said:
Your ABC Dilutes The Message Again, Probably Some Marketing Ploy
Coronavirus variants mean we can’t rely on vaccination. We need global suppression
vaccines will not be enough. We need global ‘maximum suppression’
At the end of 2020, there was a strong hope that high levels of vaccination would see humanity finally gain the upper hand over SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. In an ideal scenario, the virus would then be contained at very low levels without further societal disruption or significant numbers of deaths. But since then, new “variants of concern” have emerged and spread worldwide, putting current pandemic control efforts, including vaccination, at risk of being derailed.
As members of the Lancet COVID-19 Commission Taskforce on Public Health, we call for urgent action in response to the new variants. These new variants mean we cannot rely on the vaccines alone to provide protection but must maintain strong public health measures to reduce the risk from these variants. At the same time, we need to accelerate the vaccine program in all countries in an equitable way.
Each time the virus replicates, there is an opportunity for a mutation to occur. And as we are already seeing around the world, some of the resulting variants risk eroding the effectiveness of vaccines. That’s why we have called for a global strategy of “maximum suppression”. Public health leaders should focus on efforts that maximally suppress viral infection rates, thus helping to prevent the emergence of mutations that can become new variants of concern.
Prompt vaccine rollouts alone will not be enough to achieve this; continued public health measures, such as face masks and physical distancing, will be vital too. Ventilation of indoor spaces is important, some of which is under people’s control, some of which will require adjustments to buildings.
Not sure if you are being serious or not
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:Your ABC Dilutes The Message Again, Probably Some Marketing Ploy
Coronavirus variants mean we can’t rely on vaccination. We need global suppression
vaccines will not be enough. We need global ‘maximum suppression’
Not sure if you are being serious or not
sorry, we were referring to the [ab]use of headlines there ^, not the remaining inner article content which seems to be largely conserved
our meaning was that despite the experts writing about “maximum suppression” (remember those “debates” about how this arguably is just “elimination” by another name), your ABC has elected to simply call it “suppression” (and not, say, “elimination”)
which is not quite as bad as the appropriation of for example “herd immunity” through vaccination, to then guide a “natural infection” id est “let it rip” strategy, but still seems dodgy
Brazil has become South America’s superspreader event
By Lucien Chauvin,
Anthony Faiola and
Terrence McCoy
April 5, 2021 at 8:00 p.m. GMT+10
LIMA, Peru — With a sense of dread, the doctor watched the patients stream into his intensive care unit.
For weeks, César Salomé, a physician in Lima’s Hospital Mongrut, had followed the chilling reports. A new coronavirus variant, spawned in the Amazon rainforest, had stormed Brazil and driven its health system to the brink of collapse. Now his patients, too, were arriving far sicker, their lungs saturated with disease, and they were dying within days. Even the young and healthy didn’t appear protected.
The new variant, he realized, was here.
“We used to have more time,” Salomé said. “Now, we have patients who come in and in a few days they’ve lost the use of their lungs.”
The P.1 variant, which packs a suite of mutations that make it more transmissible and potentially more dangerous, is no longer just Brazil’s problem. It’s South America’s problem — and the world’s.
In recent weeks, it has been carried across rivers and over borders, evading restrictive measures meant to curb its advance across the continent. There is mounting anxiety in parts of South America that P.1 could quickly become the dominant variant, transporting Brazil’s humanitarian disaster — patients languishing without care, a skyrocketing death toll — into their countries.
The Amazonian city that hatched the Brazil variant has been crushed by it
“It’s spreading,” said Julio Castro, a Venezuelan infectious-disease expert. “It’s impossible to stop.”
In Lima, scientists have detected the variant in 40 percent of coronavirus cases. In Uruguay, it’s been found in 30 percent. In Paraguay, officials say half of cases at the border with Brazil are P.1. Other South American countries — Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile — have discovered it in their territories. Limitations in genomic sequencing have made it difficult to know the true breadth of the variant’s spread, but it has been identified in more than two dozen countries, from Japan to the United States.
Hospital systems across South America are being pushed to their limits. Uruguay, one of South America’s wealthiest nations and a success story early in the pandemic, is barreling toward a medical system failure. Health officials say Peru is on the precipice, with only 84 intensive care beds left at the end of March. The intensive care system in Paraguay, roiled by protests last month over medical shortcomings, has run out of hospital beds.
“Paraguay has little chance of stopping the spread of the P.1 variant,” said Elena Candia Florentín, president of the Paraguayan Society of Infectious Diseases.
“With the medical system collapsed, medications and supplies chronically depleted, early detection deficient, contact tracing nonexistent, waiting patients begging for treatment on social media, insufficient vaccinations for health workers, and uncertainty over when general and vulnerable populations will be vaccinated, the outlook in Paraguay is dark,” she said.
How P.1 spread across the region is a distinctly South American story. Nearly every country on the continent shares a land border with Brazil. People converge on border towns, where passing into another country can be as simple as crossing the street. Limited surveillance and border security have made the region a paradise for smugglers. But they have also made it nearly impossible to control the variant’s spread.
“We share 1,000 kilometers of dry border with Brazil, the biggest factory of variants in the world and the epicenter of the crisis,” said Gonzalo Moratorio, a Uruguayan molecular virologist tracking the variant’s growth. “And now it’s not just one country.”
The Brazilian city of Tabatinga, deep in the Amazon rainforest, where officials suspect the virus crossed into Colombia and Peru, is emblematic of the struggle to contain the variant. The city of 70,000 was swept by P.1 earlier this year. Many in the area have family ties in several countries and are accustomed to crossing borders with ease — canoeing across the Amazon River to Peru or walking into Colombia.
“People ended up bringing the virus from one side to the other,” said Sinesio Tikuna Trovão, an Indigenous leader. “The crossing was free, with both sides living right on top of one another.
Now that the variant has infiltrated numerous countries, stopping its spread will be difficult. Most South American countries, with the exception of Brazil, adopted stringent containment measures last year. But they have been undone by poverty, apathy, distrust and exhaustion. With national economies battered and poverty rising sharply, public health experts fear more restrictions will be difficult to maintain. In Brazil, despite record death numbers, many states are lifting restrictions.
That has left inoculation as the only way out. But coronavirus vaccines are South America’s white whale: often discussed, but rarely seen. The continent hasn’t distributed its own vaccine or negotiated a regional agreement with pharmaceutical companies. It’s one of the world’s hardest-hit regions but has administered only 6 percent of the world’s vaccine doses, according to the site Our World in Data. (The outlier is Chile, which is vaccinating residents more quickly than anywhere in the Americas — but still suffering a surge in cases.)
“We should not only blame the policy response,” said Luis Felipe López-Calva, the United Nations Development Program’s regional director for Latin America and the Caribbean. “We have to understand the vaccine market.”
“And there is a failure in the market,” he said.
The vaccine has become so scarce, López-Calva said, that officials are imposing restrictions on information. It’s nearly impossible to know how much governments are paying for doses. Some regional blocs elsewhere in the world, such as the African Union and the European Union, have negotiated joint contracts. But in South America, it has been every country for itself — diminishing the bargaining power for each one.
“This has been harmful for these countries, and for the whole world to stop the virus,” López-Calva said. “Because it’s never been more clear that no one is protected until everyone is protected.”
Paulo Buss, a prominent Brazilian scientist, said it didn’t have to be like this. He was Brazil’s health representative to the Union of South American Nations, which negotiated several regional deals with pharmaceutical companies before the coronavirus pandemic. But that union came apart amid political differences just before the arrival of the virus.
“It was the worst possible moment,” Buss said. “We’ve lost capacity and our negotiation attempts have been fragmented. Multilateralism was weakened.”
Vaccine scarcity has led to line-jumping scandals all over South America, but particularly in Peru. Hundreds of politically connected people, including cabinet ministers and former president Martín Vizcarra, snagged vaccine doses early. Now people are calling for criminal charges.
As officials bicker and the vaccination campaign is delayed, the variant continues to spread. P.1 accounts for 70 percent of cases in some parts of the Lima region, according to officials. Last week, the country logged the highest daily case count since August — more than 11,000. On Saturday, the country recorded 294 deaths, the most in a day since the start of the pandemic.
Peruvians have been stunned by how quickly the surge overwhelmed the health-care system. Public health analysts and government officials had believed Peru was prepared for a second wave. But it wasn’t ready for the variant.
“We did not expect such a strong second wave,” said Percy Mayta-Tristan, director of research at the Scientific University of the South in Lima. “The first wave was so extensive. The presence of the Brazilian variant helps explain why.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/05/brazil-variant-coronavirus-south-america/?
PNG patient dies from Covid in Redcliffe Hospital.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/queensland-coronavirus-death-png/100048706
Divine Angel said:
PNG patient dies from Covid in Redcliffe Hospital.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/queensland-coronavirus-death-png/100048706
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Witty Rejoinder said:
“We did not expect such a strong second wave,” said Percy Mayta-Tristan, director of research at the Scientific University of the South in Lima. “The first wave was so extensive. The presence of the Brazilian variant helps explain why.”https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/05/brazil-variant-coronavirus-south-america/
we(0,1,1) did not expect that failing to control a pandemic in most places in the world, could lead to ongoing outbreaks of pandemic that had failed to be controlled
On Tuesday Prime Minister Scott Morrison said 3.1 million doses of the vaccine had been blocked from importation while defending accusations his government’s vaccine rollout had been botched.
The chief spokesman for the European Commission – the EU’s executive branch – told a press conference on Tuesday (local time) that the only vaccine export authorisation request that had been denied to Australia was the highly-publicised one of 250,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine from Italy last month.
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could be sometwos lying we suppose
SCIENCE said:
Someone’s Lying
could be sometwos lying we suppose
Do you want me to trot out my Covid “liar liar pants on fire” index again?
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
Someone’s Lying
could be sometwos lying we suppose
Do you want me to trot out my Covid “liar liar pants on fire” index again?
“In late January, the EC introduced strict export controls which were further expanded on March 24. In late January, mid to late January, AstraZeneca provided updated advice that only 1.2 million of the 3.2 million offshore manufactured product could be delivered in February and in March.
“That was 500,000 in February and 700,000 in March. That was because a range of issues, which included not just the vaccine shortage in Europe – AstraZeneca’s awareness of the increasing restrictions on export controls, and so applications were not made for those 3.8 million doses.”
By Bridget Judd
As we heard earlier, the European Union has denied claims it blocked a shipment of more than 3 million doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine from coming to Australia.
Mr Morrison says he never made “any comment about the actions of the European Union, nor did I indicate any of the background reasons for the lack of supply that we have received from those contracted doses”.
“And so, any suggestion that I, in any way, made any criticism of the European Union yesterday would be completely incorrect.
“I simply stated a fact – that 3.1 million of the contracted vaccines that we had been relying upon in early January when we’d set out a series of targets did not turn up in Australia.
“That is just a simple fact. Now, that fact has been the key reason for the early phases of the supply in the rollout in the vaccine. It’s straightforward maths.”
I’m afraid that it’s working out very much as i suggested it would.
Once all the ‘important’ people got their vaccinations, and the photo opportunities associated with the campaign dwindled away, the impetus for the vaccination programme also faded away.
There’s a few troublemakers in the media who keep wafting the stink around about it, but if they’d shut up, the ripples would settle nicely.
Australia does have the luxury of waiting for the vaccine to be far less of a deal than most other places
Cymek said:
Australia does have the luxury of waiting for the vaccine to be far less of a deal than most other places
Plus being reliant on others for an urgent medicine is not a good situation especially as we aren’t some broke arse third world nation without the infrastructure to do so.
ABC News:
‘The NSW Government has announced it will establish a “mass vaccination hub” in Homebush, in Sydney’s inner west, which it says will handle half of the entire state’s COVID-19 jabs.
Premier Gladys Berejiklian said the state will be aiming to administer 60,000 vaccines a week and will be ramping up its operations to “support the Commonwealth” in its rollout.’
So, if other States and territories have similar targets, we could have maybe 400,000 jabs per week. Fairly impressive.
In the 90 or so days since 13 Dec 2021,the UK has administered 37 million vaccinations. That’s about 400,000 per day.
captain_spalding said:
So, if other States and territories have similar targets, we could have maybe 400,000 jabs per week. Fairly impressive.In the 90 or so days since 13 Dec 2021,the UK has administered 37 million vaccinations. That’s about 400,000 per day.
not too difficult for an authoritarian police state that’s maintained harsher lockdowns than Australia for like 12 of the past 15 months
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:So, if other States and territories have similar targets, we could have maybe 400,000 jabs per week. Fairly impressive.In the 90 or so days since 13 Dec 2021,the UK has administered 37 million vaccinations. That’s about 400,000 per day.
not too difficult for an authoritarian police state that’s maintained harsher lockdowns than Australia for like 12 of the past 15 months
It does seem that such stringency was necessary, as the very second the UK relaxed any of its rules, Britons swarmed about in what seemed to be determined efforts to infect each other.
They appeared to be unable to grasp the idea that a lessening of the restrictions was not equivalent to ‘it’s all over now, risk is gone everyone go back to like before’.
Had my first shot.
roughbarked said:
Had my first shot.
We’ll keep an eye on you then.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Had my first shot.
We’ll keep an eye on you then.
If and when I go wobblier than usual, you mean?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Had my first shot.
We’ll keep an eye on you then.
If and when I go wobblier than usual, you mean?
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:We’ll keep an eye on you then.
If and when I go wobblier than usual, you mean?
I am very interested.
What’s your doc said, Tamb?
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:If and when I go wobblier than usual, you mean?
I am very interested.What’s your doc said, Tamb?
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:We’ll keep an eye on you then.
If and when I go wobblier than usual, you mean?
I am very interested.
Mrs rb had hers yesterday. She’s still in remission so she’s still walking around with lymphoma.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:I am very interested.
What’s your doc said, Tamb?
Nothing yet but I’ll be seeing him tomorrow.
The questionaire asks if you are a cancer patient and etc.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:What’s your doc said, Tamb?
Nothing yet but I’ll be seeing him tomorrow.The questionaire asks if you are a cancer patient and etc.
Among 236 379 patients diagnosed with COVID-19, the estimated incidence of a neurological or psychiatric diagnosis in the following 6 months was 33·62% (95% CI 33·17–34·07), with 12·84% (12·36–13·33) receiving their first such diagnosis.
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2215-0366%2821%2900084-5
COVID live updates: Scott Morrison to write to European Commission again to request vaccine doses
I wonder if he actually wrote a letter and asked for it to be delivered.
It could take weeks to get there and then sit in some in-tray for even more time as everyone is working from home.
Cymek said:
COVID live updates: Scott Morrison to write to European Commission again to request vaccine dosesI wonder if he actually wrote a letter and asked for it to be delivered.
It could take weeks to get there and then sit in some in-tray for even more time as everyone is working from home.
we’re still betting on, maybe talked about it, maybe came up with some slogans about it, but probably somehow failed to actually formally order it as opposed to idly throwing out “it would be nice to have” lines
SCIENCE said:
In A Year When The Plight Of People Who Menstruate Has Been Brought Into Harsh 5778 K Blackbody Radiation, Oxford And AstraZeneca Partnered To Create The Keep-Women-Oppressed Vaccine
Antenatal SARS-CoV-2 vaccination may provide maternal and neonatal protection.
Efficient maternofetal transplacental transfer of anti- SARS-CoV-2 spike antibodies after antenatal SARS-CoV-2 BNT162b2 mRNA vaccination
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab266/6209876?searchresult=1
Competing Interest Declaration: We Hold No Shares In Any Of These Companies But Believe Health Should Be Protected For The Economy Must Grow
https://www.sciencealert.com/younger-people-and-women-can-expect-more-severe-vaccine-side-effects-here-s-why
A member of the National COVID-19 Health Research and Advisory Committee says the Astra-Zeneca vaccine remains a critical component of the effort to get back to a normal life.
Jonathan Carapetis says one in 250,000 people have experienced complications with the jab but they are rare occurences and were expected.
Professor Carapetis has told ABC Radio Perth, he’s not overly alarmed with blood clotting associated with the vaccine.
“This is no different from taking a Panadol in terms of the chance that some incredibly rare side effect might occur. It’s a matter of risk vs benefit.
Conclusion:
“For example, the United Kingdom is publishing very detailed data for a long list of demographic breakdowns.
We can see that nearly 4,000 people in the electorate of Blackpool South aged over 80 have received at least one dose.
And that 91.9 per cent of aged care residents in London have had a first dose.
But it’s unclear why the federal government has been so secretive in reporting Australia’s figures.
All it seems to have done is breed suspicion and confusion.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/known-unknowns-secrecy-of-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/100053404
My mask is bandana-shaped and made from red t-shirt material.
This chart perfectly describes what it feels like.
PM just gave a press conference regarding the AZ vax. The CMO said only one person per million will die from blood clots associated with the vax, and doctors will give informed consent with the vax.
Currently talking about when all Aussies will be vaccinated, but I have a kid to get to bed so I had to switch off. (Obvs here instead…)
Divine Angel said:
PM just gave a press conference regarding the AZ vax. The CMO said only one person per million will die from blood clots associated with the vax, and doctors will give informed consent with the vax.Currently talking about when all Aussies will be vaccinated, but I have a kid to get to bed so I had to switch off. (Obvs here instead…)
I wont be getting the Covid vax for another month. GP wants to me have flu shot first, and then wait 2 weeks. Soonest I can get flu vax is about 2 weeks time, they are waiting for stock to arrive.
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
PM just gave a press conference regarding the AZ vax. The CMO said only one person per million will die from blood clots associated with the vax, and doctors will give informed consent with the vax.Currently talking about when all Aussies will be vaccinated, but I have a kid to get to bed so I had to switch off. (Obvs here instead…)
I wont be getting the Covid vax for another month. GP wants to me have flu shot first, and then wait 2 weeks. Soonest I can get flu vax is about 2 weeks time, they are waiting for stock to arrive.
I’ve not received any communication regarding the vaccine.
From the ABC blog
The ATAGI recommendations are the following:
At the current time, the use of the Pfizer vaccine is preferred over the AstraZeneca vaccine in adults aged less than 50 years who have not already received a first dose of AstraZeneca vaccine. This is based both on the increased risk of complications from COVID-19 with increasing age, and thus increased benefit of the vaccination, and the potentially lower, but not zero risk, of this rare event with increasing age.
The second recommendation is that immunisation providers should only give a first dose of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine to adults under 50 years of age where benefit clearly outweighs the risk for that individual’s circumstances.
The third recommendation is people that have had their first dose of the COVID-19 AstraZeneca without any serious adverse events can safely be given their second dose. This includes adults under the age of 50, and people who have had blood clots associated with low platelet levels after their first dose of COVID-19 AstraZeneca should not be given the second dose. So that’s the all but one person that we’ve had so far in Australia are in that category – people that have had their first dose should safely have their second dose.
The final recommendation is that the Department of Health further develop and refine resources for informed consent that clearly convey the benefits and the risks of the AstraZeneca vaccine for both immunisation providers and consumers of all ages, and that is underway, that work, and that will be provided overnight and into the morning.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
PM just gave a press conference regarding the AZ vax. The CMO said only one person per million will die from blood clots associated with the vax, and doctors will give informed consent with the vax.Currently talking about when all Aussies will be vaccinated, but I have a kid to get to bed so I had to switch off. (Obvs here instead…)
I wont be getting the Covid vax for another month. GP wants to me have flu shot first, and then wait 2 weeks. Soonest I can get flu vax is about 2 weeks time, they are waiting for stock to arrive.
I’ve not received any communication regarding the vaccine.
I had to pop in to see the GP to get a new prescription, ran out of repeats. I asked.
We’re getting our flu shots tomorrow., at the clinic with the “chatty” doctor. I shall be requesting not to see him, although maybe I should and record the convo to lodge another complaint.
Divine Angel said:
PM just gave a press conference regarding the AZ vax. The CMO said only one person per million will die from blood clots associated with the vax, and doctors will give informed consent with the vax.Currently talking about when all Aussies will be vaccinated, but I have a kid to get to bed so I had to switch off. (Obvs here instead…)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/covid19-vaccine-blood-clotting-az-explainer/100055638
while the numbers are the numbers, you don’t see them having to do this bullshit numbers trickery to justify for example Pfizer vaccine now do you
did they also factor in the deaths that would result because the vaccine is only 10% effective at preventing transmission
and should we remember that were it not for fucking idiocy in managing a pandemic then we wouldn’t even need to risk the “one in 750,000” clot deaths, or for that matter the “one in every 30,000” or even the “one in every 600” so this, like dv claims about the carbon footprint thing, is just another diversion
don’t get us wrong we think Australian states have done fairly well with their lot all considered, but there’s no need to sell shit like it’s the best thing since sliced bread made it through one’s alimentary canal
there’s a better alternative
Divine Angel said:
From the ABC blog
The ATAGI recommendations are the following:At the current time, the use of the Pfizer vaccine is preferred over the AstraZeneca vaccine in adults aged less than 50 years who have not already received a first dose of AstraZeneca vaccine. This is based both on the increased risk of complications from COVID-19 with increasing age, and thus increased benefit of the vaccination, and the potentially lower, but not zero risk, of this rare event with increasing age.
The second recommendation is that immunisation providers should only give a first dose of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine to adults under 50 years of age where benefit clearly outweighs the risk for that individual’s circumstances.
The third recommendation is people that have had their first dose of the COVID-19 AstraZeneca without any serious adverse events can safely be given their second dose. This includes adults under the age of 50, and people who have had blood clots associated with low platelet levels after their first dose of COVID-19 AstraZeneca should not be given the second dose. So that’s the all but one person that we’ve had so far in Australia are in that category – people that have had their first dose should safely have their second dose.
The final recommendation is that the Department of Health further develop and refine resources for informed consent that clearly convey the benefits and the risks of the AstraZeneca vaccine for both immunisation providers and consumers of all ages, and that is underway, that work, and that will be provided overnight and into the morning.
Just as well we bought plenty of other vaccines…
poikilotherm said:
Divine Angel said:
From the ABC blog
The ATAGI recommendations are the following:At the current time, the use of the Pfizer vaccine is preferred over the AstraZeneca vaccine in adults aged less than 50 years who have not already received a first dose of AstraZeneca vaccine. This is based both on the increased risk of complications from COVID-19 with increasing age, and thus increased benefit of the vaccination, and the potentially lower, but not zero risk, of this rare event with increasing age.
The second recommendation is that immunisation providers should only give a first dose of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine to adults under 50 years of age where benefit clearly outweighs the risk for that individual’s circumstances.
The third recommendation is people that have had their first dose of the COVID-19 AstraZeneca without any serious adverse events can safely be given their second dose. This includes adults under the age of 50, and people who have had blood clots associated with low platelet levels after their first dose of COVID-19 AstraZeneca should not be given the second dose. So that’s the all but one person that we’ve had so far in Australia are in that category – people that have had their first dose should safely have their second dose.
The final recommendation is that the Department of Health further develop and refine resources for informed consent that clearly convey the benefits and the risks of the AstraZeneca vaccine for both immunisation providers and consumers of all ages, and that is underway, that work, and that will be provided overnight and into the morning.
Just as well we bought plenty of other vaccines…
Brutal.
:-)
I was washing up while listening to the ABC TV news tonight, so I might not have been properly concentrating. But it sounded to me like they were saying some tricky number things. Sort of like…it’s more OK to use the AZ in older people because their risk of sickness/dying of COVID19 is higher than their risk with the vaccine. But it less OK to use it in younger people because their risk of dying from COVID19 is pretty low, making the risk from the vaccine the greater evil. It wasn’t really that the clotting problems are worse for different age groups, more that the alternatives with the virus were worse for the elders. It just seemed sort of convoluted.
But like I said, perhaps I wasn’t bothering to really understand. You get what you get. And most people at the moment don’t get a vaccine anyway because there aren’t any.
buffy said:
tricky number things … just seemed sort of convoluted
no they really do manage the Economy Must Grow better it’s true
Victoria will move to allowing 100 per cent of seated indoor and outdoor capacity for entertainment, cultural and sporting venues up to a maximum of 1,000 patrons per space.
The new rule will come into effect from 11:59pm tonight.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/victorian-capacity-limits-lifted-in-concerts-cinemas-venues/100060088
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/09/2021/1617942540/vaccine-rollout-pfizzer
Rule 303 said:
Victoria will move to allowing 100 per cent of seated indoor and outdoor capacity for entertainment, cultural and sporting venues up to a maximum of 1,000 patrons per space.The new rule will come into effect from 11:59pm tonight.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/victorian-capacity-limits-lifted-in-concerts-cinemas-venues/100060088
Woohoo! Just in time for the cold and flu season!
someone would have added this in some other thread stream
but yes what credentials, oh they mean the credit they took from the states sure
Witty Rejoinder said:
pretty accurate and seems to be what most are seeing it like.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
pretty accurate and seems to be what most are seeing it like.
not to worry the other party leader has a face like his personality wouldn’t be prime ministerial, next election the same Marketing will be back in fashion
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
pretty accurate and seems to be what most are seeing it like.
not to worry the other party leader has a face like his personality wouldn’t be prime ministerial, next election the same Marketing will be back in fashion
It’s sad, but true, that the ALP’s major goal is now to remain in Opposition.
They seem to have given up on trying to find a leader who can be enough of a gang boss to discipline what’s now a bunch of career grifters. They no longer even pretend to represent ‘working class’ people (beyond occasional token references).
The people who they put in Parliament are even more colourless than the party’s leadership, the party is apparently both unable and unwilling to present any policy initiatives, probably as unwilling to alienate corporate donors as is the L/NP, and exists solely to provide sound-bite reactions to whatever chicanery is discovered about the L/NP government.
It’s a much quieter and less stressful existence in Opposition.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:pretty accurate and seems to be what most are seeing it like.
not to worry the other party leader has a face like his personality wouldn’t be prime ministerial, next election the same Marketing will be back in fashion
It’s sad, but true, that the ALP’s major goal is now to remain in Opposition.
They seem to have given up on trying to find a leader who can be enough of a gang boss to discipline what’s now a bunch of career grifters. They no longer even pretend to represent ‘working class’ people (beyond occasional token references).
The people who they put in Parliament are even more colourless than the party’s leadership, the party is apparently both unable and unwilling to present any policy initiatives, probably as unwilling to alienate corporate donors as is the L/NP, and exists solely to provide sound-bite reactions to whatever chicanery is discovered about the L/NP government.
It’s a much quieter and less stressful existence in Opposition.
These opinions of yours…
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:not to worry the other party leader has a face like his personality wouldn’t be prime ministerial, next election the same Marketing will be back in fashion
It’s sad, but true, that the ALP’s major goal is now to remain in Opposition.
They seem to have given up on trying to find a leader who can be enough of a gang boss to discipline what’s now a bunch of career grifters. They no longer even pretend to represent ‘working class’ people (beyond occasional token references).
The people who they put in Parliament are even more colourless than the party’s leadership, the party is apparently both unable and unwilling to present any policy initiatives, probably as unwilling to alienate corporate donors as is the L/NP, and exists solely to provide sound-bite reactions to whatever chicanery is discovered about the L/NP government.
It’s a much quieter and less stressful existence in Opposition.
These opinions of yours…
…can verge on the ridiculous, i know.
But, politics is a field where the ridiculous is often the basis of fact and action.
The ALP’s underlying problem is that they rarely have any expectation that they’ll win government, or that, once they’re in, they’ll lose government.
When the L/NP was (rightly) astonished on the morning after the last election to find that they were the government, they were only living an experience that’s well known to the ALP.
The L/NP always entertains the expectation that they can win or retain government, and the last election was a rare instance of them not carrying that expectation, but having it rewarded anyway.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:It’s sad, but true, that the ALP’s major goal is now to remain in Opposition.
They seem to have given up on trying to find a leader who can be enough of a gang boss to discipline what’s now a bunch of career grifters. They no longer even pretend to represent ‘working class’ people (beyond occasional token references).
The people who they put in Parliament are even more colourless than the party’s leadership, the party is apparently both unable and unwilling to present any policy initiatives, probably as unwilling to alienate corporate donors as is the L/NP, and exists solely to provide sound-bite reactions to whatever chicanery is discovered about the L/NP government.
It’s a much quieter and less stressful existence in Opposition.
These opinions of yours…
…can verge on the ridiculous, i know.
But, politics is a field where the ridiculous is often the basis of fact and action.
The ALP’s underlying problem is that they rarely have any expectation that they’ll win government, or that, once they’re in, they’ll lose government.
When the L/NP was (rightly) astonished on the morning after the last election to find that they were the government, they were only living an experience that’s well known to the ALP.
The L/NP always entertains the expectation that they can win or retain government, and the last election was a rare instance of them not carrying that expectation, but having it rewarded anyway.
Although the Coalition didn’t get a look-in from 1983 to 1996. But by then Labor had become a bit too cocky. I remember the election ad: “Little Johnny Howard?? Oh come on, it’s got to be Keating!” (or similar) which was then quickly pulled when they realised it wasn’t attracting positive feedback.
And…Victoria got a positive person come in on the first day of international flights.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/victoria-records-one-overseas-covid-case-in-hotel-quarantine/100060620
buffy said:
And…Victoria got a positive person come in on the first day of international flights.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-10/victoria-records-one-overseas-covid-case-in-hotel-quarantine/100060620
bloody foreigners coming to our country and spreading disease!
/tic
how you know the social media judges are completely impartial and fair on these things
AstraZeneca clots it up and everyone’s having a meltdown, but do you hear the same excitement and ejaculations over Johnson
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
well it shouldn’t really inhibit it much, but also the problems have only been a thing since like January so yeah
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
…… and this 3 million doses from Europe bizzo they’ve been goin’ on about all week. Aren’t CSL making a million doses a week of this same stuff? 3 million doses is just 3 weeks supply that’s being made here already. 3 weeks is SFA in the scheme of these things.
Anyway, even if they’d said we’d all be done in a week, the ABC would find someone that’d moan that even that wasn’t good enough.
Woodie said:
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
…… and this 3 million doses from Europe bizzo they’ve been goin’ on about all week. Aren’t CSL making a million doses a week of this same stuff? 3 million doses is just 3 weeks supply that’s being made here already. 3 weeks is SFA in the scheme of these things.
Anyway, even if they’d said we’d all be done in a week, the ABC would find someone that’d moan that even that wasn’t good enough.
That’s be Tom Ballard.
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
I think it more to do with the bullshit he comes out with. people just want some clarity and he ain’t delivering that. It is always spin and “not my fault”.
Woodie said:
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
…… and this 3 million doses from Europe bizzo they’ve been goin’ on about all week. Aren’t CSL making a million doses a week of this same stuff? 3 million doses is just 3 weeks supply that’s being made here already. 3 weeks is SFA in the scheme of these things.
Anyway, even if they’d said we’d all be done in a week, the ABC would find someone that’d moan that even that wasn’t good enough.
keep watching sky then. get the news you want to hear.
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
AZ are so far showing signs of being munny-grubbing arseholes.
party_pants said:
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
AZ are so far showing signs of being munny-grubbing arseholes.
how?
JudgeMental said:
Woodie said:
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
…… and this 3 million doses from Europe bizzo they’ve been goin’ on about all week. Aren’t CSL making a million doses a week of this same stuff? 3 million doses is just 3 weeks supply that’s being made here already. 3 weeks is SFA in the scheme of these things.
Anyway, even if they’d said we’d all be done in a week, the ABC would find someone that’d moan that even that wasn’t good enough.
keep watching sky then. get the news you want to hear.
Tamb said:
JudgeMental said:
Woodie said:…… and this 3 million doses from Europe bizzo they’ve been goin’ on about all week. Aren’t CSL making a million doses a week of this same stuff? 3 million doses is just 3 weeks supply that’s being made here already. 3 weeks is SFA in the scheme of these things.
Anyway, even if they’d said we’d all be done in a week, the ABC would find someone that’d moan that even that wasn’t good enough.
keep watching sky then. get the news you want to hear.
ABC would complain that there have been 0.005% more men vaccinated than women.
fuck you come out with some shit.
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
AZ are so far showing signs of being munny-grubbing arseholes.
how?
They have signed up for all sorts of contracts that they can’t deliver on. They signed a contract with the EU for 300 million doses by the middle of the year, now they’re saying sorry, we’ll be lucky to get 100 million delivered by that time. This is going to derail the vaccine program for the whole of Europe, so naturally they are a bit miffed. This is why there are export restrictions coming into play on AZ made in the EU, the EU want their contracts filled, and are starting to impose export controls on AZ to make them play the game honour their word. This is why Italy blocked a quarter million doses for Australia, and now there is rumours that another 3 million might be blocked.
It is not really ScoMo’s fault, they are are just signing a contract in good faith, just like many other governments have done. It is AZ that are taking the piss a bit, signing up orders far more than they can deliver and then falling way short, turning timely supply into a bidding war.
This is all without the stuff about the blood clot issues.
JudgeMental said:
Tamb said:
JudgeMental said:keep watching sky then. get the news you want to hear.
ABC would complain that there have been 0.005% more men vaccinated than women.fuck you come out with some shit.
party_pants said:
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
AZ are so far showing signs of being munny-grubbing arseholes.
CSL are making 1 million AZ does a week supposedly. Their share price has plummeted since they started making it in Nov 2020.
CSL would be much better off making poker machines instead. Aristocrat up 60% in the last 12 months.
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:AZ are so far showing signs of being munny-grubbing arseholes.
how?
They have signed up for all sorts of contracts that they can’t deliver on. They signed a contract with the EU for 300 million doses by the middle of the year, now they’re saying sorry, we’ll be lucky to get 100 million delivered by that time. This is going to derail the vaccine program for the whole of Europe, so naturally they are a bit miffed. This is why there are export restrictions coming into play on AZ made in the EU, the EU want their contracts filled, and are starting to impose export controls on AZ to make them
play the gamehonour their word. This is why Italy blocked a quarter million doses for Australia, and now there is rumours that another 3 million might be blocked.It is not really ScoMo’s fault, they are are just signing a contract in good faith, just like many other governments have done. It is AZ that are taking the piss a bit, signing up orders far more than they can deliver and then falling way short, turning timely supply into a bidding war.
This is all without the stuff about the blood clot issues.
If they’re making a million doses a week, here, in Melbourne, then they can tell Europe to GAGF and they can fight their own war next time..
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:AZ are so far showing signs of being munny-grubbing arseholes.
how?
They have signed up for all sorts of contracts that they can’t deliver on. They signed a contract with the EU for 300 million doses by the middle of the year, now they’re saying sorry, we’ll be lucky to get 100 million delivered by that time. This is going to derail the vaccine program for the whole of Europe, so naturally they are a bit miffed. This is why there are export restrictions coming into play on AZ made in the EU, the EU want their contracts filled, and are starting to impose export controls on AZ to make them
play the gamehonour their word. This is why Italy blocked a quarter million doses for Australia, and now there is rumours that another 3 million might be blocked.It is not really ScoMo’s fault, they are are just signing a contract in good faith, just like many other governments have done. It is AZ that are taking the piss a bit, signing up orders far more than they can deliver and then falling way short, turning timely supply into a bidding war.
This is all without the stuff about the blood clot issues.
Haven’t the manufacturing plants been having troubles? So this has led to hold ups. Isn’t there also so weird EU stuff about who gets what and when? Isn’t there a lack of take up of people getting the vaccine so it going to waste so to speak?
JudgeMental said:
Tamb said:
JudgeMental said:keep watching sky then. get the news you want to hear.
ABC would complain that there have been 0.005% more men vaccinated than women.fuck you come out with some shit.
LOL
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:how?
They have signed up for all sorts of contracts that they can’t deliver on. They signed a contract with the EU for 300 million doses by the middle of the year, now they’re saying sorry, we’ll be lucky to get 100 million delivered by that time. This is going to derail the vaccine program for the whole of Europe, so naturally they are a bit miffed. This is why there are export restrictions coming into play on AZ made in the EU, the EU want their contracts filled, and are starting to impose export controls on AZ to make them
play the gamehonour their word. This is why Italy blocked a quarter million doses for Australia, and now there is rumours that another 3 million might be blocked.It is not really ScoMo’s fault, they are are just signing a contract in good faith, just like many other governments have done. It is AZ that are taking the piss a bit, signing up orders far more than they can deliver and then falling way short, turning timely supply into a bidding war.
This is all without the stuff about the blood clot issues.
If they’re making a million doses a week, here, in Melbourne, then they can tell Europe to GAGF and they can fight their own war next time..
It is not the EU’s fault either. It is that AZ have committed to sales of about three times the number of doses they can actually make, to stop countries signing up for vaccines from other sources, Which is a bit dishonest. It is throwing vaccine programs into disarray everywhere around the world if AZ are not supplying what they promised. They could have turned down the offers and said they don’t have the capacity.
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:how?
They have signed up for all sorts of contracts that they can’t deliver on. They signed a contract with the EU for 300 million doses by the middle of the year, now they’re saying sorry, we’ll be lucky to get 100 million delivered by that time. This is going to derail the vaccine program for the whole of Europe, so naturally they are a bit miffed. This is why there are export restrictions coming into play on AZ made in the EU, the EU want their contracts filled, and are starting to impose export controls on AZ to make them
play the gamehonour their word. This is why Italy blocked a quarter million doses for Australia, and now there is rumours that another 3 million might be blocked.It is not really ScoMo’s fault, they are are just signing a contract in good faith, just like many other governments have done. It is AZ that are taking the piss a bit, signing up orders far more than they can deliver and then falling way short, turning timely supply into a bidding war.
This is all without the stuff about the blood clot issues.
Haven’t the manufacturing plants been having troubles? So this has led to hold ups. Isn’t there also so weird EU stuff about who gets what and when? Isn’t there a lack of take up of people getting the vaccine so it going to waste so to speak?
it appears the little bacteria critters aren’t behaving and this has lead to a reduced production. something that couldn’t have been foreseen.
and Pfizer has slowed down production so as to upgrade its plant.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/why-has-astrazeneca-cut-vaccines-to-eu-and-will-it-impact-uk-
I think in normal times none of this would raise an eyebrow, people are just a tad less tolerant in these times. understandable, but then logic goes out the window.
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:They have signed up for all sorts of contracts that they can’t deliver on. They signed a contract with the EU for 300 million doses by the middle of the year, now they’re saying sorry, we’ll be lucky to get 100 million delivered by that time. This is going to derail the vaccine program for the whole of Europe, so naturally they are a bit miffed. This is why there are export restrictions coming into play on AZ made in the EU, the EU want their contracts filled, and are starting to impose export controls on AZ to make them
play the gamehonour their word. This is why Italy blocked a quarter million doses for Australia, and now there is rumours that another 3 million might be blocked.It is not really ScoMo’s fault, they are are just signing a contract in good faith, just like many other governments have done. It is AZ that are taking the piss a bit, signing up orders far more than they can deliver and then falling way short, turning timely supply into a bidding war.
This is all without the stuff about the blood clot issues.
Haven’t the manufacturing plants been having troubles? So this has led to hold ups. Isn’t there also so weird EU stuff about who gets what and when? Isn’t there a lack of take up of people getting the vaccine so it going to waste so to speak?
it appears the little bacteria critters aren’t behaving and this has lead to a reduced production. something that couldn’t have been foreseen.
There is probably a bit of that going on too, no doubt. Almost inevitable in fact that there will be teething issues in ramping up production on a such a mass scale. But there seems to be some issues in how they are allocating what they can produce and how to spread the shortfall. It seems that not every country is paying the same price for it, and deliveries are being skewed towards supplying those countries which are paying the steepest price first and those paying lowest prices will have to wait. Which is a bit unethical.
JudgeMental said:
Tamb said:
JudgeMental said:keep watching sky then. get the news you want to hear.
ABC would complain that there have been 0.005% more men vaccinated than women.fuck you come out with some shit.
^
JudgeMental said:
and Pfizer has slowed down production so as to upgrade its plant.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/why-has-astrazeneca-cut-vaccines-to-eu-and-will-it-impact-uk-
I think in normal times none of this would raise an eyebrow, people are just a tad less tolerant in these times. understandable, but then logic goes out the window.
There’s been a worldwide shortage of the lipids used to produce the mRNA vaccines as well.
dv said:
I do think that some of the criticism being levelled at Morrison for the AstroZ vaccine trouble is excessive. You could argue he needed better contingency planning but this is an evolving, complex situation. A week ago I would not have thought it likely that these extremely rare blood clot problems would inhibit the use of the vaccine.
Yea it sucks when you put it all on red and it comes up black.
Like I said earlier it is more the spin and bullshit
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/10/scott-morrison-spun-a-covid-vaccine-story-the-public-believed-and-then-it-fell-apart
JudgeMental said:
So this has led to hold ups. Isn’t there also so weird EU stuff about who gets what and when? Isn’t there a lack of take up of people getting the vaccine so it going to waste so to speak?
right so if the AstraZeneca stuff wasn’t bullshit, and EU were banning it, we should have been rolling in the surplus now
wait but actually we don’t want it for our under 120 year olds ¿ then why sell it like it was awesome even before you had the supply
wait but it really is safe and you’re more likely to die if you get COVID-19 than if you get the shot, we’re just going to pretend to order more Pfizer shit because uh you know because
JudgeMental said:
Like I said earlier it is more the spin and bullshit
a Covid vaccine story the public believed
farCOVID, we did not
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:So this has led to hold ups. Isn’t there also so weird EU stuff about who gets what and when? Isn’t there a lack of take up of people getting the vaccine so it going to waste so to speak?
right so if the AstraZeneca stuff wasn’t bullshit, and EU were banning it, we should have been rolling in the surplus now
wait but actually we don’t want it for our under 120 year olds ¿ then why sell it like it was awesome even before you had the supply
wait but it really is safe and you’re more likely to die if you get COVID-19 than if you get the shot, we’re just going to pretend to order more Pfizer shit because uh you know because
you know what
we’ve changed our mind
we take it all back
we apologise for misleading you all and dreaming there could have been any better outcome
since we’re going to roll out a bunch of vaccinations that won’t work anyway, we may as well roll out the cheapest piece of shit one
remember how vaccine was going to be some magic silver bullet and everyone could just fuck around spreading disease once they’d been vaccinated because, you know, The Economy Must Grow, and rights and freedoms
LOL
RMIT University professor of immunology Magdalena Plebanski agrees.
“Scientifically, we are mature and ready to take on a challenge like that as a country,” she says.
“There’s nothing really stopping Australia from going down that pathway.”
—
sure there is, it’s the same thing stopping us going down a renewable energy pathway
Further surveillance data reported for the United States suggest a rate closer to 1:200,000 doses for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 1:360,000 for the Moderna vaccine.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1939455121000119
so what they’re saying is, the risk of a lifethreatening and hard-to-reverse problem associated with an AstraZeneca, is half of the risk of a lifethreatening and easy-to-fix problem associated with the mRNA vaccines
tertiary disinformation denial and misdirection agents are out now
A scientist who advised Boris Johnson against introducing a lockdown last autumn was bankrolled by a billionaire Tory donor, openDemocracy can reveal today.
Today, openDemocracy can reveal that Gupta received almost £90,000 from the Georg and Emily von Opel Foundation to fund research “into the prevalence of COVID-19 in the population” in April last year.
and they say there’s no money in STEM careers
SCIENCE said:
One Hundred Thousand Lives Go Cheap
A scientist who advised Boris Johnson against introducing a lockdown last autumn was bankrolled by a billionaire Tory donor, openDemocracy can reveal today.
Today, openDemocracy can reveal that Gupta received almost £90,000 from the Georg and Emily von Opel Foundation to fund research “into the prevalence of COVID-19 in the population” in April last year.
and they say there’s no money in STEM careers
sorry forgot link
meanwhile among the UN security council
that top of the league table there
Health officials are confident they can overcome the small challenge of delivering the a vaccine that actually works — which needs to be stored at pretty cool temperatures — to some of the hottest and most remote parts of Australia. Previously, they’d been trying to sell a cheap alternative with down to 10% effectiveness, as the only option that could be delivered.
Moore from the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance of the NT, who said all ACCHOs had been receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine. “We know the Ebola vaccine, which had similar storage requirements, was transported to remote parts of West Africa using special eskies. “Whether something like that is possible, I think we’ll just need to find out.”
SCIENCE said:
Brain Clotting Threat To Privileged Young White Australian Females Finally Leads To Health Equity In One Disease For Indigenous Groups
Health officials are confident they can overcome the small challenge of delivering the a vaccine that actually works — which needs to be stored at pretty cool temperatures — to some of the hottest and most remote parts of Australia. Previously, they’d been trying to sell a cheap alternative with down to 10% effectiveness, as the only option that could be delivered.
- Remote Indigenous Australians under 50 are now recommended to have the Pfizer shot
- But getting that vaccine to remote areas will pose a significant challenge
- ACCHOs are confident innovation and careful planning will help with the rollout
Moore from the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance of the NT, who said all ACCHOs had been receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine. “We know the Ebola vaccine, which had similar storage requirements, was transported to remote parts of West Africa using special eskies. “Whether something like that is possible, I think we’ll just need to find out.”
It’s not difficult: Dry ice or liquid nitrogen. I mean, FFS.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Brain Clotting Threat To Privileged Young White Australian Females Finally Leads To Health Equity In One Disease For Indigenous Groups
Health officials are confident they can overcome the small challenge of delivering the a vaccine that actually works — which needs to be stored at pretty cool temperatures — to some of the hottest and most remote parts of Australia. Previously, they’d been trying to sell a cheap alternative with down to 10% effectiveness, as the only option that could be delivered.
- Remote Indigenous Australians under 50 are now recommended to have the Pfizer shot
- But getting that vaccine to remote areas will pose a significant challenge
- ACCHOs are confident innovation and careful planning will help with the rollout
Moore from the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance of the NT, who said all ACCHOs had been receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine. “We know the Ebola vaccine, which had similar storage requirements, was transported to remote parts of West Africa using special eskies. “Whether something like that is possible, I think we’ll just need to find out.”
It’s not difficult: Dry ice or liquid nitrogen. I mean, FFS.
nods but any small difficulty is a reason for not doing it?
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Brain Clotting Threat To Privileged Young White Australian Females Finally Leads To Health Equity In One Disease For Indigenous Groups
Health officials are confident they can overcome the small challenge of delivering the a vaccine that actually works — which needs to be stored at pretty cool temperatures — to some of the hottest and most remote parts of Australia. Previously, they’d been trying to sell a cheap alternative with down to 10% effectiveness, as the only option that could be delivered.
- Remote Indigenous Australians under 50 are now recommended to have the Pfizer shot
- But getting that vaccine to remote areas will pose a significant challenge
- ACCHOs are confident innovation and careful planning will help with the rollout
Moore from the Aboriginal Medical Services Alliance of the NT, who said all ACCHOs had been receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine. “We know the Ebola vaccine, which had similar storage requirements, was transported to remote parts of West Africa using special eskies. “Whether something like that is possible, I think we’ll just need to find out.”
It’s not difficult: Dry ice or liquid nitrogen. I mean, FFS.
nods but any small difficulty is a reason for not doing it?
It’s a reason for a reporter to write “Woe” and find a whinger to back it up.
The Victorian government is pausing its rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine to people under 50 for at least another two weeks, amid concerns about potential blood clotting.
Pfizer vaccine now easier to store and transport
Australian GPs could soon become involved in the rollout of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, after the medical regulator made it easier to store and transport the shot.
The vaccine previously needed to be stored at Antarctic-like temperatures, but the Therapeutic Goods Administration has recently approved wider storage and transportation regulations.
It means unopened vials can now be stored at domestic freezer temperatures for up to two weeks, or at domestic refrigerator temperatures for up to five days.
Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says it means there’ll be new ways to vaccinate Australians.
“The TGA have looked at the data Pfizer as a company has provided, looked at what the FDA has decided in the US over Easter in recent weeks. and concluded the same conclusion about the way the Pfizer can be rolled out. “
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So all this beat-up woe-worrying by journalists about how to get the vaccine delivered to remote communities etc disappears in a puff of data.
(I think these new storage conditions were decided upon a few days ago, IIRC.)
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/covid-live-blog-coronavirus-latest-news-south-korea-astrazeneca/100062008
Michael V said:
Pfizer vaccine now easier to store and transportAustralian GPs could soon become involved in the rollout of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, after the medical regulator made it easier to store and transport the shot.
The vaccine previously needed to be stored at Antarctic-like temperatures, but the Therapeutic Goods Administration has recently approved wider storage and transportation regulations.
It means unopened vials can now be stored at domestic freezer temperatures for up to two weeks, or at domestic refrigerator temperatures for up to five days.
Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says it means there’ll be new ways to vaccinate Australians.
“The TGA have looked at the data Pfizer as a company has provided, looked at what the FDA has decided in the US over Easter in recent weeks. and concluded the same conclusion about the way the Pfizer can be rolled out. “
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..So all this beat-up woe-worrying by journalists about how to get the vaccine delivered to remote communities etc disappears in a puff of data.
(I think these new storage conditions were decided upon a few days ago, IIRC.)
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/covid-live-blog-coronavirus-latest-news-south-korea-astrazeneca/100062008
You cannot really blame the Oz government when things suddenly change. This is a fast moving scenario for all the vaccines.
Reading last night that the chance of clotting is roughly the risk of a young woman on the contraceptive pill having some form of blood clot in one week.
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/apr/11/how-big-are-the-blood-clot-risks-of-the-az-jab
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Pfizer vaccine now easier to store and transportAustralian GPs could soon become involved in the rollout of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, after the medical regulator made it easier to store and transport the shot.
The vaccine previously needed to be stored at Antarctic-like temperatures, but the Therapeutic Goods Administration has recently approved wider storage and transportation regulations.
It means unopened vials can now be stored at domestic freezer temperatures for up to two weeks, or at domestic refrigerator temperatures for up to five days.
Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says it means there’ll be new ways to vaccinate Australians.
“The TGA have looked at the data Pfizer as a company has provided, looked at what the FDA has decided in the US over Easter in recent weeks. and concluded the same conclusion about the way the Pfizer can be rolled out. “
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..So all this beat-up woe-worrying by journalists about how to get the vaccine delivered to remote communities etc disappears in a puff of data.
(I think these new storage conditions were decided upon a few days ago, IIRC.)
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/covid-live-blog-coronavirus-latest-news-south-korea-astrazeneca/100062008
You cannot really blame the Oz government when things suddenly change. This is a fast moving scenario for all the vaccines.
Reading last night that the chance of clotting is roughly the risk of a young woman on the contraceptive pill having some form of blood clot in one week.
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/apr/11/how-big-are-the-blood-clot-risks-of-the-az-jab
Sorry, that clotting statement is about the AZ vaccine.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:Pfizer vaccine now easier to store and transportAustralian GPs could soon become involved in the rollout of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, after the medical regulator made it easier to store and transport the shot.
The vaccine previously needed to be stored at Antarctic-like temperatures, but the Therapeutic Goods Administration has recently approved wider storage and transportation regulations.
It means unopened vials can now be stored at domestic freezer temperatures for up to two weeks, or at domestic refrigerator temperatures for up to five days.
Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says it means there’ll be new ways to vaccinate Australians.
“The TGA have looked at the data Pfizer as a company has provided, looked at what the FDA has decided in the US over Easter in recent weeks. and concluded the same conclusion about the way the Pfizer can be rolled out. “
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..So all this beat-up woe-worrying by journalists about how to get the vaccine delivered to remote communities etc disappears in a puff of data.
(I think these new storage conditions were decided upon a few days ago, IIRC.)
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/covid-live-blog-coronavirus-latest-news-south-korea-astrazeneca/100062008
You cannot really blame the Oz government when things suddenly change. This is a fast moving scenario for all the vaccines.
Reading last night that the chance of clotting is roughly the risk of a young woman on the contraceptive pill having some form of blood clot in one week.
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/apr/11/how-big-are-the-blood-clot-risks-of-the-az-jab
right but given they’re willing to blame anybody else for whenever anything changes then they should be held to at least the same standard
but anyway
it’s not like, knowing “this is a fast moving scenario”, it might be reasonable to expect authorities, like a government, to prepare for sudden changes
and
all this beat-up woe-worrying by journalists about how to get the vaccine delivered to remote communities etc disappears in a puff of data
well it’s just the same thing as all the “we can’t possibly eliminate virus here / there / everywhere” crowd right
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Pfizer vaccine now easier to store and transportAustralian GPs could soon become involved in the rollout of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, after the medical regulator made it easier to store and transport the shot.
The vaccine previously needed to be stored at Antarctic-like temperatures, but the Therapeutic Goods Administration has recently approved wider storage and transportation regulations.
It means unopened vials can now be stored at domestic freezer temperatures for up to two weeks, or at domestic refrigerator temperatures for up to five days.
Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says it means there’ll be new ways to vaccinate Australians.
“The TGA have looked at the data Pfizer as a company has provided, looked at what the FDA has decided in the US over Easter in recent weeks. and concluded the same conclusion about the way the Pfizer can be rolled out. “
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..So all this beat-up woe-worrying by journalists about how to get the vaccine delivered to remote communities etc disappears in a puff of data.
(I think these new storage conditions were decided upon a few days ago, IIRC.)
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/covid-live-blog-coronavirus-latest-news-south-korea-astrazeneca/100062008
You cannot really blame the Oz government when things suddenly change. This is a fast moving scenario for all the vaccines.
Reading last night that the chance of clotting is roughly the risk of a young woman on the contraceptive pill having some form of blood clot in one week.
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/apr/11/how-big-are-the-blood-clot-risks-of-the-az-jab
What makes you think I am blaming the oz government?
I was commenting about beat-up woe-worrying journalism.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Pfizer vaccine now easier to store and transportAustralian GPs could soon become involved in the rollout of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, after the medical regulator made it easier to store and transport the shot.
The vaccine previously needed to be stored at Antarctic-like temperatures, but the Therapeutic Goods Administration has recently approved wider storage and transportation regulations.
It means unopened vials can now be stored at domestic freezer temperatures for up to two weeks, or at domestic refrigerator temperatures for up to five days.
Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says it means there’ll be new ways to vaccinate Australians.
“The TGA have looked at the data Pfizer as a company has provided, looked at what the FDA has decided in the US over Easter in recent weeks. and concluded the same conclusion about the way the Pfizer can be rolled out. “
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..So all this beat-up woe-worrying by journalists about how to get the vaccine delivered to remote communities etc disappears in a puff of data.
(I think these new storage conditions were decided upon a few days ago, IIRC.)
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/covid-live-blog-coronavirus-latest-news-south-korea-astrazeneca/100062008
You cannot really blame the Oz government when things suddenly change. This is a fast moving scenario for all the vaccines.
Reading last night that the chance of clotting is roughly the risk of a young woman on the contraceptive pill having some form of blood clot in one week.
https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/apr/11/how-big-are-the-blood-clot-risks-of-the-az-jab
They were also saying about the same risk as someone having a reaction to paracetamol. Yet – this is the reason why we can’t have any in the first aid kits at work.
Trump officials celebrated efforts to change CDC reports on coronavirus, emails show
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/09/cdc-covid-political-interference/
Science adviser Paul Alexander wrote to HHS public affairs chief Michael Caputo on Sept. 9, touting two examples of where he said officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had bowed to his pressure and changed language in their reports, according to an email obtained by the House’s select subcommittee on the coronavirus outbreak. Pointing to one change — in which CDC leaders allegedly changed the opening sentence of a report about the spread of the virus among younger people after Alexander pressured them — Alexander wrote to Caputo, calling it a “small victory but a victory nonetheless and yippee!!!”
“Can you help me craft an op-ed,” Alexander wrote to Atlas on Sept. 11, alleging the CDC report was “timed for the election” and an attempt to keep schools closed even as Trump pushed to reopen them. “Let us advise the President and get permission to preempt this please for it will run for the weekend so we need to blunt the edge as it is misleading.” “I know the President wants us to enumerate the economic cost of not reopening. We need solid estimates to be able to say something like: 50,000 more cancer deaths! 40,000 more heart attacks! 25,000 more suicides!” Caputo wrote to Alexander on May 16 in an email obtained by the subcommittee.
CDC Director Robert Redfield and other Trump appointees repeatedly claimed last year that the agency’s reports had been protected from political interference. “At no time has the scientific integrity of the MMWR been compromised. And I can say that under my watch, it will not be compromised,” Redfield testified to the Senate on Sept. 16. However, Redfield told CNN last month that tHHS Secretary Alex Azar and other Trump officials tried to change several MMWRs that they did not like, a charge disputed by Azar.
… and now for the good news …
The long-term consequences of last year’s shutdowns are still not clear. CDC officials this week reported that the total number of suicides dropped by 5.6 percent last year, the largest decline in four decades, surprising some officials who had warned of a spike. However, deaths from heart disease rose by 4.8 percent. Meanwhile, total cancer deaths remained flat in 2020, although public health experts warned that many screenings that would have caught early cancers were skipped or delayed last year.
ah COVID-19, is there any planet it can’t heal
Interesting piece.
https://eurohealthobservatory.who.int/publications/i/9999-12-31-how-comparable-is-covid-19-mortality-across-countries-
“How comparable is COVID-19 mortality across countries?”
That was written in May last year. I don’t think the WHO has changed anything since. I don’t know about other countries. The UK changed things a bit in the middle of the year though.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-data-revised/
Shit
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South African variant can ‘break through’ Pfizer vaccine, Israeli study says
By Maayan Lubell
April 11, 2021 — 9.42am
Jerusalem: The coronavirus variant discovered in South Africa can “break through” Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine to some extent, a real-world data study in Israel found, though its prevalence in the country is low and the research has not been peer reviewed.
The study, released on Sunday (AEST), compared almost 400 people who had tested positive for COVID-19, 14 days or more after they received one or two doses of the vaccine, against the same number of unvaccinated patients with the disease. It matched age and gender, among other characteristics.
The study showed the South African variant of COVID was able to “break through” the Pfizer vaccine.
The South African variant, B.1.351, was found to make up about 1 per cent of all the COVID-19 cases across all the people studied, according to the study by Tel Aviv University and Israel’s largest healthcare provider, Clalit.
But among patients who had received two doses of the vaccine, the variant’s prevalence rate was eight times higher than those unvaccinated – 5.4 per cent versus 0.7 per cent.
This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.
“We found a disproportionately higher rate of the South African variant among people vaccinated with a second dose, compared to the unvaccinated group. This means that the South African variant is able, to some extent, to break through the vaccine’s protection,” said Tel Aviv University’s Adi Stern.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/south-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-israeli-study-says-20210411-p57i6x.html
I’ll be 50 in 2022. Which looks like being how long I’ll have to wait before I get the vaccine. Guess it will be the AZ for me then.
party_pants said:
I’ll be 50 in 2022. Which looks like being how long I’ll have to wait before I get the vaccine. Guess it will be the AZ for me then.
Millions if not billions vaccinated in the UK with AZ.
Deaths from covid in the UK yesterday 7, deaths in European countries in their hundreds.
You’ll be fine.
party_pants said:
I’ll be 50 in 2022. Which looks like being how long I’ll have to wait before I get the vaccine. Guess it will be the AZ for me then.
still waiting for mine and I’m a 1A
Witty Rejoinder said:
South African variant can ‘break through’ Pfizer vaccine, Israeli study says
By Maayan Lubell
April 11, 2021 — 9.42amJerusalem: The coronavirus variant discovered in South Africa can “break through” Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine to some extent, a real-world data study in Israel found, though its prevalence in the country is low and the research has not been peer reviewed.
The study, released on Sunday (AEST), compared almost 400 people who had tested positive for COVID-19, 14 days or more after they received one or two doses of the vaccine, against the same number of unvaccinated patients with the disease. It matched age and gender, among other characteristics.
The study showed the South African variant of COVID was able to “break through” the Pfizer vaccine.
The South African variant, B.1.351, was found to make up about 1 per cent of all the COVID-19 cases across all the people studied, according to the study by Tel Aviv University and Israel’s largest healthcare provider, Clalit.
But among patients who had received two doses of the vaccine, the variant’s prevalence rate was eight times higher than those unvaccinated – 5.4 per cent versus 0.7 per cent.
This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.
“We found a disproportionately higher rate of the South African variant among people vaccinated with a second dose, compared to the unvaccinated group. This means that the South African variant is able, to some extent, to break through the vaccine’s protection,” said Tel Aviv University’s Adi Stern.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/south-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-israeli-study-says-20210411-p57i6x.html
Thanks.
well it’s basically what they’ve been saying for 3 months
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
I’ll be 50 in 2022. Which looks like being how long I’ll have to wait before I get the vaccine. Guess it will be the AZ for me then.
still waiting for mine and I’m a 1A
lolwtf
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
I’ll be 50 in 2022. Which looks like being how long I’ll have to wait before I get the vaccine. Guess it will be the AZ for me then.
still waiting for mine and I’m a 1A
lolwtf
Boris drives sickly old wrinklies from small country towns to Perth for hospital treatment.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:JudgeMental said:still waiting for mine and I’m a 1A
lolwtf
Boris drives sickly old wrinklies from small country towns to Perth for hospital treatment.
oh … we thought Mark was all over the pandemic stuff
then again if you have 0 local transmission, not rushing blindly in, is fair
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821%2900675-9
A previous history of SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with an 84% lower risk of infection, with median protective effect observed 7 months following primary infection. This time period is the minimum probable effect because seroconversions were not included. This study shows that previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces effective immunity to future infections in most individuals.
that’s right,
By Liam Butterworth
Greg Hunt was asked why, in line with advice that Australians under the age of 50 be given the Pfizer vaccine, that it was still being used to inoculate people older than that.
“This is within the residential aged care facility program and one of the critical things is that it is a three-week turnaround. Our most vulnerable residents, the most vulnerable Australians are the oldest and within that group the most vulnerable other residential aged care facility residents. Of these 910 , 685 who have passed have been in residential aged care facilities. And so that rapid turnaround time of three weeks and, again, I legitimately ask this question myself just to reaffirm what we were doing in the medical advice was crystal clear. Making sure those residents are vaccinated with a three-week turnaround time offers the maximum protection to the most vulnerable and frail Australians did it a perfectly reasonable question,” he said.
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(just in case any of you Federal Corruption Coalition apologists think we’re complaining about the response — no, the question)
like we love Greg Hunt as much as the next Dodgson Rev, but seems he’s said some reasonable things today
Greg Hunt says full vaccination is still no guarantee borders will open immediately
as opposed to TGA deputy-secretary John Skerritt
Now to put this in perspective, of the over 1.2 million doses of vaccine, 700,000 or more have been AstraZeneca. That means that two from 700,000, one in 350,000. When you look at the British data that quoted about one in 250,000. That is an extremely remote and unlikely event. It is a very rare finding. As I said before, your chances of winning Lotto a much higher.
let’s put it in the perspective of head to head with other vaccines, oh wait, there are others available that do not seem to have this complication, as we said before, your chances of getting such a clot from the other vaccines is much lower
so
dv said:
which country is this?
party_pants said:
dv said:
which country is this?
With the figures I certainly hope it’s not an individual country.
party_pants said:
dv said:
which country is this?
Earth
dv said:
I suspect that is not Australia…
buffy said:
dv said:
I suspect that is not Australia…
LOLz
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
which country is this?
Earth
don’t worry we’ve flattened the curve for you it’ll be over soon
Michael V said:
buffy said:dv said:
I suspect that is not Australia…
LOLz
but anyway we take dv’s point and apologise
while frontliners and idiots like SCIENCE here in Australia are bitching about choice between {vaccines that work relatively well with few significant side effects, vaccines that work not-so-well with few but significant side effects} we would do well to keep a wary eye on WTF is happening over the rest of the planet because there’s going to be a fucking shitstorm if there wasn’t already
“A woman in her 40s believed to have the second case of blood clots linked to AstraZeneca in Australia developed the symptoms about two weeks after receiving her vaccination, according to the WA Health Minister.
Key points:
Australia’s medical regulator announced earlier today that Australia had recorded a second case believed linked to the small number of blood clotting reactions to the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The woman received her vaccination in mid-March as part of the 1A/1B cohort and reported to the emergency department of a WA regional hospital about a fortnight later, Roger Cook said.
She was then flown to Royal Darwin Hospital.
“WA Health has been working across jurisdictions with the TGA and the Northern Territory Department of Health to inform today’s announcement,” Mr Cook said.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-13/covid-vaccine-blood-clots-developed-wo-weeks-post-jab/100055286
Just read an article about people taking horse de-wormers as a Covid treatment
Even if they are exactly the same ones humans use (they aren’t) do they not think about the weight difference.
Cymek said:
Just read an article about people taking horse de-wormers as a Covid treatmentEven if they are exactly the same ones humans use (they aren’t) do they not think about the weight difference.
Probably ivermectin, used in humans too.
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
Just read an article about people taking horse de-wormers as a Covid treatmentEven if they are exactly the same ones humans use (they aren’t) do they not think about the weight difference.
Probably ivermectin, used in humans too.
Yes it was
Cymek said:
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
Just read an article about people taking horse de-wormers as a Covid treatmentEven if they are exactly the same ones humans use (they aren’t) do they not think about the weight difference.
Probably ivermectin, used in humans too.
Yes it was
maybe their weights were very similar to the equine
Arts said:
Cymek said:
poikilotherm said:Probably ivermectin, used in humans too.
Yes it was
maybe their weights were very similar to the equine
Do see some heifers some days but not many thoroughbreds.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
poikilotherm said:Probably ivermectin, used in humans too.
Yes it was
maybe their weights were very similar to the equine
Are we thinking a tiny horse or an average American?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:Yes it was
maybe their weights were very similar to the equine
Are we thinking a tiny horse or an average American?
or on the moon
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-14/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-production-set-back/100067218
Australia has an agreement for 51 million doses of Novavax originally slated for “mid-2021”, at which point executives had said full-scale vaccine production could be achieved.
Novavax communications director Amy Speak said in an email. “There are some supply shortages that come and go that have contributed to the revision in timing. These have included things like the bioreactor bags and filters.” The Maryland-based company is one of several COVID-19 vaccine makers that have had to push back production timelines due to industry wide shortages of raw materials and difficulties getting plants up and running.
Novavax has been in early-stage talks with Australia’s biopharmaceutical sector to explore options to outsource some of its supply locally.
Some countries satisfy themselves with “deaths per capita not climbing as quickly as the next super hard hit place”, but in beautiful QLD it’s not good enough until it’s absolutely fucking annihilated ¡
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.
People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
captain_spalding said:
Gulf War syndrome was supposedly related to various vaccines given to soldiers in case of biological attack
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
Add a hat & you’re A nonnie mouse.
Wear spectacles above an upside down Aussie flag and everyone will think you are Scomo.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Gulf War syndrome was supposedly related to various vaccines given to soldiers in case of biological attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome#Causes
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Gulf War syndrome was supposedly related to various vaccines given to soldiers in case of biological attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome#Causes
Yes I was reading that just after I posted
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:Gulf War syndrome was supposedly related to various vaccines given to soldiers in case of biological attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome#Causes
Yes I was reading that just after I posted
I thought it was caused by Halliburton?
In other news, having a runny nose is less entertaining when you’re not worried about it being ‘Rona; It’s just boring and snotty.
I had a girlfriend like that at high school. She’s dead now.
Nice bit of weather we’re having.
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
and here we thought the masks were our best defence against the surveillance devices and hacks from CHINA, now Annastacia wants us to bare it all for the communists again
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
and here we thought the masks were our best defence against the surveillance devices and hacks from CHINA, now Annastacia wants us to bare it all for the communists again
That’s why all good surveillance states use voice recognition as well.
captain_spalding said:
Hmmmmm.
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
Well, well, well. Unintended consequences.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
and here we thought the masks were our best defence against the surveillance devices and hacks from CHINA, now Annastacia wants us to bare it all for the communists again
That’s why all good surveillance states use voice recognition as well.
fortunately those masks, that used to muffle teachers’ voices so much that students couldn’t learn anything in a country already at the bottom of the OECD in education, are no longer going to muffle our voices, we will not be silenced
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
Well, well, well. Unintended consequences.
Try robbing a bank dressed like that?
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
Well, well, well. Unintended consequences.
Try robbing a bank dressed like that?
the blood bank
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
and here we thought the masks were our best defence against the surveillance devices and hacks from CHINA, now Annastacia wants us to bare it all for the communists again
What a strange thing to say…
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
and here we thought the masks were our best defence against the surveillance devices and hacks from CHINA, now Annastacia wants us to bare it all for the communists again
That’s why all good surveillance states use voice recognition as well.
So apart from the fact he’s quite distinct Bane would be hard to recognise
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Qld’s masks-everywhere ends at 6:00 am tomorrow.People are encouraged to carry a mask with them, and wear them in crowded situations. Which makes sense.
Now that wearing masks is so accepted, even encouraged, all the money that went on facial-recognition technology seems a waste.
No-one will think twice if you walk down the street wearing a face-mask and sunglasses.
and here we thought the masks were our best defence against the surveillance devices and hacks from CHINA, now Annastacia wants us to bare it all for the communists again
What a strange thing to say…
Duno cuz whadya reckon the mask wearing rate gunbe the moment it’s no longer mandatory, yarekon peeps guna keep it on any longer than they have to ¿
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:and here we thought the masks were our best defence against the surveillance devices and hacks from CHINA, now Annastacia wants us to bare it all for the communists again
What a strange thing to say…
Duno cuz whadya reckon the mask wearing rate gunbe the moment it’s no longer mandatory, yarekon peeps guna keep it on any longer than they have to ¿
videre licet
Mandatory mask wearing was the single biggest factor in driving down case numbers during Victoria’s “unique” second COVID-19 wave, new modelling has found.
The modelling found face coverings were estimated to have reduced transmission and infection risk in the state by between 31 and 46 per cent, and “physical distancing behaviour” by about 6 to 28 per cent.
He said the “strong evidence” from the modelling showed that face masks should be the “first thing” introduced as they showed a clear shift in the data.
“I think it’s much more reasonable to ask somebody to use a face covering to prevent transmission than to close their business or to shut a restaurant or a shop,” he said. The Economy Must Grow ¡
has not yet been peer-reviewed
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see these ASIAN apologists, they want us to be like clean dirty ASIANS and wear masks the moment someone draws breath even before a cough, we’re better than that here, we’re AUSTRALIANS with freedom and rights and liberties and guns wait no guns and our women should be thankful they don’t get shot protesting
and more seriously we notice they didn’t say it was “recommended mask wearing” that had the effect but we haven’t peer reviewed the article
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:What a strange thing to say…
Duno cuz whadya reckon the mask wearing rate gunbe the moment it’s no longer mandatory, yarekon peeps guna keep it on any longer than they have to ¿
videre licet
Mandatory mask wearing was the single biggest factor in driving down case numbers during Victoria’s “unique” second COVID-19 wave, new modelling has found.
The modelling found face coverings were estimated to have reduced transmission and infection risk in the state by between 31 and 46 per cent, and “physical distancing behaviour” by about 6 to 28 per cent.
He said the “strong evidence” from the modelling showed that face masks should be the “first thing” introduced as they showed a clear shift in the data.
“I think it’s much more reasonable to ask somebody to use a face covering to prevent transmission than to close their business or to shut a restaurant or a shop,” he said. The Economy Must Grow ¡
has not yet been peer-reviewed
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see these ASIAN apologists, they want us to be like
cleandirty ASIANS and wear masks the moment someone draws breath even before a cough, we’re better than that here, we’re AUSTRALIANS with freedom and rights and liberties and guns wait no guns and our women should be thankful they don’t get shot protestingand more seriously we notice they didn’t say it was “recommended mask wearing” that had the effect but we haven’t peer reviewed the article
I was commenting about the suggestion that mask wearing in Australia was welcomed by a populace fearful of CCP directed surveillance.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:Duno cuz whadya reckon the mask wearing rate gunbe the moment it’s no longer mandatory, yarekon peeps guna keep it on any longer than they have to ¿
videre licet
Mandatory mask wearing was the single biggest factor in driving down case numbers during Victoria’s “unique” second COVID-19 wave, new modelling has found.
I was commenting about the suggestion that mask wearing in Australia was welcomed by a populace fearful of CCP directed surveillance.
hey (not sayin’ you were but) we weren’t the ones banging on about HUAWEI HUAWEI all the security cameras are made in CHINA OMG we’re selling out to surveillance communists
Similar to the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines, Novavax also needs two doses. The vaccine has already been through phase three trials in the UK, showing an efficacy rate of 89.3 per cent in more than 15,000 participants. By comparison, Pfizer is 95 per cent effective at preventing COVID-19 symptoms, while AstraZeneca’s efficacy ranges between 62 and 90 per cent (although data suggests a 12-week wait between doses could give an efficacy of about 82 per cent).
However, a separate trial of Novavax in South Africa (where the more infectious B.1.351 variant of the virus is circulating), showed the vaccine had an efficacy rate of only 49.4 per cent in 4,400 people (including HIV-positive and negative participants). In the South African trial, Novavax was found to have a 60 per cent efficacy rate in the HIV-negative group.
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so basically an absolute 50% better than AstraZeneca for B.1.351 if we believe the other 10% figure nice
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Professor Khanna said people shouldn’t be panicking about vaccine availability in Australia, given the country’s small caseload of COVID-19 disease, unburdened hospitals, and lack of virus circulating in the community. “I would suggest people calm down,” he said. “We just have to keep patient … these are difficult things to manage when you have to organise vaccines for millions of people.”
SCIENCE said:
Even While Defending AstraZeneca They Think It’s Important To Compare Novavax To Pfizer Because Well Yeah
Similar to the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines, Novavax also needs two doses. The vaccine has already been through phase three trials in the UK, showing an efficacy rate of 89.3 per cent in more than 15,000 participants. By comparison, Pfizer is 95 per cent effective at preventing COVID-19 symptoms, while AstraZeneca’s efficacy ranges between 62 and 90 per cent (although data suggests a 12-week wait between doses could give an efficacy of about 82 per cent).
However, a separate trial of Novavax in South Africa (where the more infectious B.1.351 variant of the virus is circulating), showed the vaccine had an efficacy rate of only 49.4 per cent in 4,400 people (including HIV-positive and negative participants). In the South African trial, Novavax was found to have a 60 per cent efficacy rate in the HIV-negative group.
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so basically an absolute 50% better than AstraZeneca for B.1.351 if we believe the other 10% figure nice
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Professor Khanna said people shouldn’t be panicking about vaccine availability in Australia, given the country’s small caseload of COVID-19 disease, unburdened hospitals, and lack of virus circulating in the community. “I would suggest people calm down,” he said. “We just have to keep patient … these are difficult things to manage when you have to organise vaccines for millions of people.”
It’s quite silly that even needs to be said
to be honest we haven’t seen much shoving / squabbling / screwing around these areas for any vaccine
anyway for the good news
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2215-0366%2821%2900091-2
This is the first study to examine suicides occurring in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic in multiple countries. In high-income and upper-middle-income countries, suicide numbers have remained largely unchanged or declined in the early months of the pandemic compared with the expected levels based on the pre-pandemic period. We need to remain vigilant and be poised to respond if the situation changes as the longer-term mental health and economic effects of the pandemic unfold.
mollwollfumble said:
What’s your interpretation ¿
The US has been vaccinating millions of people a day, while Australia — although virtually virus-free — has had a sluggish start to its vaccine rollout.
So what’s changed? The president, for starters.
“It was very painful to do, but I had to come out and essentially contradict what was saying” — whereas “President Biden wants SCIENCE to rule”.
Thank You
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
What’s your interpretation ¿
I wish I could understand it.
I want to start afresh with an analysis for the third wave. Because everything has changed since I did the original analysis on the first wave, nearly a year ago now.
Flu in Australia worst for 12 months.
in breaking news
that’s the quality of Australian public discourse now, you need medical experts to tell you this shit, remember how opening more toilets fixed the toilet paper shortage
SCIENCE said:
in breaking newsMass vaccination centres won’t help Australia’s rollout unless more doses are secured, says AMA
that’s the quality of Australian public discourse now, you need medical experts to tell you this shit, remember how opening more toilets fixed the toilet paper shortage
Although you should always be wary of what lobbyists say, as it may just be because their grass got cut.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
in breaking newsMass vaccination centres won’t help Australia’s rollout unless more doses are secured, says AMA
that’s the quality of Australian public discourse now, you need medical experts to tell you this shit, remember how opening more toilets fixed the toilet paper shortage
Although you should always be wary of what lobbyists say, as it may just be because their grass got cut.
we hear it takes like 2 hours to get Pfizzed in Sydney so at that kind of pace maybe it isn’t supply
then again maybe they’re throttling to match the slow trickle supply
Federal health authorities are investigating the death of a 48-year-old diabetic New South Wales woman who developed blood clots after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.
It is not known which vaccine she received.
SCIENCE said:
Federal health authorities are investigating the death of a 48-year-old diabetic New South Wales woman who developed blood clots after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.It is not known which vaccine she received.
‘‘Twas the az vax according to non government funded sources.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Federal health authorities are investigating the death of a 48-year-old diabetic New South Wales woman who developed blood clots after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.It is not known which vaccine she received.
‘‘Twas the az vax according to non government funded sources.
sad, we thought it was supposed to be 3 in 1 000 000 but your ABC says 1,360,000 doses of vaccine have been delivered across Australia and we assumed most would have been Pfizer so far but hey
SCIENCE said:
silly feminists who are belated and / or reluctant to protect their population
patriarchs who want to prove themselves macho by acting quickly and forcefully to protect their people
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Federal health authorities are investigating the death of a 48-year-old diabetic New South Wales woman who developed blood clots after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.It is not known which vaccine she received.
‘‘Twas the az vax according to non government funded sources.
sad, we thought it was supposed to be 3 in 1 000 000 but your ABC says 1,360,000 doses of vaccine have been delivered across Australia and we assumed most would have been Pfizer so far but hey
Worldwide there’s been 0 clot disorders associated with mRNA vax.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:‘‘Twas the az vax according to non government funded sources.
sad, we thought it was supposed to be 3 in 1 000 000 but your ABC says 1,360,000 doses of vaccine have been delivered across Australia and we assumed most would have been Pfizer so far but hey
Worldwide there’s been 0 clot disorders associated with mRNA vax.
yeah we’re suggesting that the 3 in 1M seems to be a downplay
anyway word on the street is that all those USSA refugees in Canada in the 2016 to 2020 era are starting to consider returning in the BidenHarris age just to get shot*
*: and with the new executive orders, we mean the good kind of shot
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:sad, we thought it was supposed to be 3 in 1 000 000 but your ABC says 1,360,000 doses of vaccine have been delivered across Australia and we assumed most would have been Pfizer so far but hey
Worldwide there’s been 0 clot disorders associated with mRNA vax.
yeah we’re suggesting that the 3 in 1M seems to be a downplay
anyway word on the street is that all those USSA refugees in Canada in the 2016 to 2020 era are starting to consider returning in the BidenHarris age just to get shot*
*: and with the new executive orders, we mean the good kind of shot
It’s rare, but no one knows how many under 50s they’re willing to kill to save a few over 70s.
ABC News:
‘Pfizer CEO believes a third dose of COVID vaccine might be needed
The pharmaceutical company’s boss says COVID-19 vaccine recipients will “likely” need a third dose between six to 12 months after full vaccination, followed by an annual shot.’
“Hey, it turns out that our vaccine will require users to make ongoing contributions to our company profits! Well, whaddaya know…!”
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Pfizer CEO believes a third dose of COVID vaccine might be needed
The pharmaceutical company’s boss says COVID-19 vaccine recipients will “likely” need a third dose between six to 12 months after full vaccination, followed by an annual shot.’“Hey, it turns out that our vaccine will require users to make ongoing contributions to our company profits! Well, whaddaya know…!”
In truth what he is telling us is that it is likely that Covid is not going away anytime in the forseeeable future.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Pfizer CEO believes a third dose of COVID vaccine might be needed
The pharmaceutical company’s boss says COVID-19 vaccine recipients will “likely” need a third dose between six to 12 months after full vaccination, followed by an annual shot.’“Hey, it turns out that our vaccine will require users to make ongoing contributions to our company profits! Well, whaddaya know…!”
In truth what he is telling us is that it is likely that Covid is not going away anytime in the forseeeable future.
It’s probably only fair to blame shit governments that let it rip and developed new evolved vaccine resistant bioweapon strains, they’re probably in on it.
speaking of which,
put the essential sports people ahead of others, send them into a 4th wave, bring back new
vaccine resistant strains, waive their quarantine because they’re special, you watch, the idiocy will fucking kill us
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Pfizer CEO believes a third dose of COVID vaccine might be needed
The pharmaceutical company’s boss says COVID-19 vaccine recipients will “likely” need a third dose between six to 12 months after full vaccination, followed by an annual shot.’“Hey, it turns out that our vaccine will require users to make ongoing contributions to our company profits! Well, whaddaya know…!”
In truth what he is telling us is that it is likely that Covid is not going away anytime in the forseeeable future.
It’s probably only fair to blame shit governments that let it rip and developed new evolved vaccine resistant bioweapon strains, they’re probably in on it.
Nods.
SCIENCE said:
speaking of which,put the essential sports people ahead of others, send them into a 4th wave, bring back new
vaccine resistant strains, waive their quarantine because they’re special, you watch, the idiocy will fucking kill us
It appears that this door has been left ajar indeed.
Australia accused of putting drug company profits over lives in developing world
By political reporter David Lipson
The Public Health Association and Médecins Sans Frontières Australia are urging the Prime Minister to temporarily waive intellectual property rights for life-saving vaccines to address the imbalance in global distribution.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/new-mexico-covid-vaccines.html
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Pfizer CEO believes a third dose of COVID vaccine might be needed
The pharmaceutical company’s boss says COVID-19 vaccine recipients will “likely” need a third dose between six to 12 months after full vaccination, followed by an annual shot.’“Hey, it turns out that our vaccine will require users to make ongoing contributions to our company profits! Well, whaddaya know…!”
In truth what he is telling us is that it is likely that Covid is not going away anytime in the forseeeable future.
yeah, just like we should get a flu shot every year. Plus those booster shots of other vaccines we should have. and lets not talk about other drugs we might have to take daily. BigPharma don’t cure anything. BigPharma, money grabbing pricks.
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Pfizer CEO believes a third dose of COVID vaccine might be needed
The pharmaceutical company’s boss says COVID-19 vaccine recipients will “likely” need a third dose between six to 12 months after full vaccination, followed by an annual shot.’“Hey, it turns out that our vaccine will require users to make ongoing contributions to our company profits! Well, whaddaya know…!”
In truth what he is telling us is that it is likely that Covid is not going away anytime in the forseeeable future.
yeah, just like we should get a flu shot every year. Plus those booster shots of other vaccines we should have. and lets not talk about other drugs we might have to take daily. BigPharma don’t cure anything. BigPharma, money grabbing pricks.
are you rejecting your ABC’s characterisation of the situation then
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:In truth what he is telling us is that it is likely that Covid is not going away anytime in the forseeeable future.
yeah, just like we should get a flu shot every year. Plus those booster shots of other vaccines we should have. and lets not talk about other drugs we might have to take daily. BigPharma don’t cure anything. BigPharma, money grabbing pricks.
are you rejecting your ABC’s characterisation of the situation then
That is a typical ABC badly researched article, it mentions PNG but makes no mention that Australia is providing vaccines there for free.
It makes no mention that Astra Zenica is operating on a not for profit basis.
It’s a terrible ABC political construct.
Good Day.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:yeah, just like we should get a flu shot every year. Plus those booster shots of other vaccines we should have. and lets not talk about other drugs we might have to take daily. BigPharma don’t cure anything. BigPharma, money grabbing pricks.
are you rejecting your ABC’s characterisation of the situation then
That is a typical ABC badly researched article, it mentions PNG but makes no mention that Australia is providing vaccines there for free.
It makes no mention that Astra Zenica is operating on a not for profit basis.
It’s a terrible ABC political construct.Good Day.
you obviously have a reading problem.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:are you rejecting your ABC’s characterisation of the situation then
That is a typical ABC badly researched article, it mentions PNG but makes no mention that Australia is providing vaccines there for free.
It makes no mention that Astra Zenica is operating on a not for profit basis.
It’s a terrible ABC political construct.Good Day.
you obviously have a reading problem.
blinkers.
We Blame WAP Mark
SCIENCE said:
We Blame WAP Mark
More Good News To Temper Your Bad
https://science.thewire.in/health/sars-cov-2-variants-b117-b1617-india-second-wave-uncertain-future/
Brazil’s hospitals were running out of drugs needed to sedate COVID-19 patients on Thursday, with the government urgently seeking to import supplies amid reports of the seriously ill being tied down and intubated without effective sedatives.
Brazil has recorded a total of 361,884 coronavirus deaths – only the United States has more – and 13,673,507 confirmed cases. More Brazilians are currently dying of the virus each day than anywhere else in the world, with South America’s largest country reporting another 3,560 deaths on Thursday.
“I never thought that I would be living through something like this after 20 years working in intensive care,” Aureo do Carmo Filho, an ICU doctor in Rio, told Reuters. “Using mechanical restraints without sedatives is bad practice … the patient is submitted to a form of torture,” he said. Seriously ill COVID-19 patients struggling for breath are sedated in order to put them on ventilators, an intrusive practice the body can naturally resist.
SCIENCE said:
Who ist Gale, and who ist Greymata in this context? Are they current or ex perts on the subject? if not, why is their argument useful or relevant to me?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Who ist Gale, and who ist Greymata in this context? Are they current or ex perts on the subject? if not, why is their argument useful or relevant to me?
sorry we don’t know who they are beyond names on internet, could be bots for all we know — we were just making a funny about the engineer approaches there, is 10% protection a good plan when they throw open the borders
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Who ist Gale, and who ist Greymata in this context? Are they current or ex perts on the subject? if not, why is their argument useful or relevant to me?
sorry we don’t know who they are beyond names on internet, could be bots for all we know — we were just making a funny about the engineer approaches there, is 10% protection a good plan when they throw open the borders
videre licet
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801
The number of daily cases reached a new record high on 9 April, going over 9,000 for the first time since the pandemic began and considerably higher than the previous peak of just under 7,000 cases in mid-June.
So the vast majority of Chileans would not yet have been vaccinated by the time they met up with relatives and friends for their summer holidays in January and February. Add to that the spread of new, more easily transmittable variants of the virus such as the P.1 variant, which is thought to have emerged in Brazil’s Amazonas state in November.
More than 93% of the doses administered in Chile so far have been CoronaVac, produced by the Beijing-based biopharmaceutical company Sinovac. Data on the efficacy of the CoronaVac vaccine is varied. Brazilian trials suggested an efficacy rate of around 50.4% but results from late-stage trials in Indonesia and Turkey suggested a much higher rate – between 65% and 83%. It suggested CoronaVac was 56.5% effective in protecting people against infection two weeks after they had received their second dose, but the figure was only 3% in the timespan between the first and second doses. Some Chileans are worried about the efficacy of the CoronaVac.
“I want that one because I hear it is more effective and I need it because I travel for my work and Pfizer is more widely recognised,” he says. But Prof Bueno, who analyses scientific data from trials with the CoronaVac, is adamant that the data shows that it works. She says in the trial that showed an efficacy rate of around 50% many of those who got infected only had very mild symptoms or were asymptomatic. She stresses that the important thing is that no-one in the trial needed to go into intensive care. She insists CoronaVac prevents deaths and severe illness and is also proving effective against the Brazilian variant.
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So basically Ch Ch Ch ChiCoronaVac and this genius thing AstraZeneca are about equally effective, and Chile done real well on the reopen.
When you gonna give it to me, give it to me.
It is just a matter of time
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/more-than-1000-test-positive-to-covid19-at-kumbh-mela-india/100073802
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/more-than-1000-test-positive-to-covid19-at-kumbh-mela-india/100073802
probably lies, remember the USSA protests, and all the other outdoor events with 0 transmission
Mr Morrison Trump said Australians had become used to recording days of zero community transmission but that would need to change. “If we were to lift the borders and people were to come, then you would see those cases increase,” he told 6PR radio. “Australians would have to become used to dealing with a thousand cases a week or more.”
Australian Medical Association president Omar “Scott Atlas” Khorshid said vaccinations would be the country’s way out of the health crisis. “We don’t have COVID now, but COVID is coming,” he told ABC radio. “We cannot keep this virus out of Australia forever unless we become a true island nation with no travel.”
fuck off
SCIENCE said:
Mr Morrison Trump said Australians had become used to recording days of zero community transmission but that would need to change. “If we were to lift the borders and people were to come, then you would see those cases increase,” he told 6PR radio. “Australians would have to become used to dealing with a thousand cases a week or more.”Australian Medical Association president Omar “Scott Atlas” Khorshid said vaccinations would be the country’s way out of the health crisis. “We don’t have COVID now, but COVID is coming,” he told ABC radio. “We cannot keep this virus out of Australia forever unless we become a true island nation with no travel.”
Those sound a lot like threats, fellas.
You ready to go for your guns over that?
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
For anyone else the ABC would have said “Near Enough” or Close to the mark”
They’ve given up any pretence of objectivity, now it’s a vendetta.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/scott-morrison-claims-australia-vaccination-rollout-fact-check/100070100
awwwww didums.
note however that aside from objecting to bullshit representations and misrepresentations of data, we actually support more cautious and considered vaccine programming
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
For anyone else the ABC would have said “Near Enough” or Close to the mark”
They’ve given up any pretence of objectivity, now it’s a vendetta.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/scott-morrison-claims-australia-vaccination-rollout-fact-check/100070100
awwwww didums.
note however that aside from objecting to bullshit representations and misrepresentations of data, we actually support more cautious and considered vaccine programming
i’d prefer it if we just darted people on the street.
similarly, when a good Christian raped a teenager, we were meant to presume innocence, and when Clover travelled $13.6M Moore than the council reported, the evidence was absolutely incriminating
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/coronavirus-vaccine-linked-to-womans-blood-clotting/100075902
The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has confirmed the fatal blood clotting suffered by a 48-year-old Australian woman was likely linked to the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine. The TGA met late on Friday afternoon to investigate the link between the inoculation and her death and now says the blood clots in the arteries and veins and low platelet count Ms Norris presented with does indicate a correlation.
NSW Health released a statement saying it did not discuss individual cases. “Any death is a tragedy and NSW Health extends its condolences to the loved ones of the person who has passed away,” it said.
Sure, let’s see if they still say that when Marketing flings the borders open to variant heaven while convincing the NSW Puppet Premier to role model a good receptive state where 1000 cases per day (at fatality 1% that makes it oh we don’t know 10 deaths per day) is an acceptable sacrifice for The Economy Must Grow.
Knew it, they spread COVID-19 panic around just to pump up toilet paper sales and show off their record 18.3% growth, it really was something to die for.
China’s economy has bounced back after last year’s deep coronavirus slump, propelled by stronger demand at home and abroad and continued government support for smaller firms. Gross domestic product (GDP) jumped 18.3 per cent in the first quarter of 2021 compared to a year earlier, official data showed on Friday. That was the fastest growth since quarterly records began in 1992 and was up from 6.5 per cent in the fourth quarter last year.
Julian Evans-Pritchard, senior China economist at Capital Economics. “We expect quarter-on-quarter growth to remain modest during the rest of this year as the recent boom in construction and exports unwinds, pulling activity back towards trend.”
Peak Warming Man said:
For anyone else the ABC would have said “Near Enough” or Close to the mark”
They’ve given up any pretence of objectivity, now it’s a vendetta.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/scott-morrison-claims-australia-vaccination-rollout-fact-check/100070100
anyone else and they’d be under corruption investigations already, some kind of independent commission perhaps
if this had been a Liberal minister the media hounds would be baying for accountabloody, but this is Untouchable Annastacia, nothing sticks, the air is fresher behind where she walks
imagine if the Federal Government ever lied or told untruths or just made shit up or didn’t give us the whole story, they’d be torn down in an instant, wait
By state political reporters Rachel Riga and Kate McKenna
Posted Yesterday at 5:46am, updated Yesterday at 1:06pm
Curtis Pitt and Annastacia Palaszczuk
In his ruling, Mr Pitt said he accepted Ms Palaszczuk’s explanation and he would not refer the matter to the ethics committee.(
ABC News: Giulio Saggin)
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Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will not be referred to Parliament’s powerful ethics committee after the state opposition alleged she misled the House over her use of a private email account for official purposes several years ago.
Key points:
The matter was referred to Speaker Curtis Pitt by opposition MP Fiona Simpson late last year, who alleged Ms Palaszczuk deliberately misled Queensland Parliament when answering a question during a debate in February 2017.
In the exchange, Ms Palaszczuk was asked by LNP MP Steve Minnikin, “does the Premier have a private email account? Has she ever used it for official purposes?” to which the Premier answered, “yes and no”.
During an estimates hearing last year, it was revealed Ms Palaszczuk received an email to her personal account from Transport Minister Mark Bailey in 2015, which discussed the job appointment of Paul Simshauser, who became director-general of the Department of Energy and Water Supply.
“At this stage, I’m not advocating a position on him re: DG but do say we need to be thorough about him as the last thing we need is a QPC chair with an ideological perspective contra to ours and contra to our platform,” Mr Bailey wrote in the email.
Headshot photo of smiling Qld LNP Opposition MP Fiona Simpson
Ms Simpson referred the matter to Speaker Curtis Pitt late last year.(
ABC News: Matt Eaton)
It was later revealed four emails had been sent between Ms Palaszczuk and Mr Bailey’s personal accounts and the Premier had previously used two private email accounts.
When referring the matter to Mr Pitt, Ms Simpson said the discussion about the potential appointment of a director-general meant Ms Palaszczuk had used the account for official purposes.
‘Off-the-cuff’ answer
Ms Palaszczuk said the answer she gave was “made off-the-cuff” during a “heated Question Time debate”.
“At the time I gave the response I believed it to be correct in the context of the question being asked, and I still believe that to be the case,” Ms Palaszczuk said in a letter to the Speaker.
“It was certainly not my intention to provide misleading or incorrect information to the House.
“I do not believe the email was for ‘official purposes’ — I answered honestly and with the information that was within my personal knowledge at the time.”‘Clear distinction between matters’
Ms Palaszczuk argued the email was not sent in relation to her role as Premier but as a member of the Labor Party.
“There is a clear distinction between matters which are officially within my role as Premier, and those that are party political in nature, and relate to my role as a member of the Australian Labor Party,” she said.
“This email clearly comes within the latter.
“The email expressly states that it is not in relation to advocating a position on Paul Simshauser ‘re DG’.
“The email then goes on to refer to ascertaining Mr Simshauser’s ideological perspective on renewable energy.
“Again, this is inherently a political matter — it refers to ‘our platform’, again a political matter, not relating to any official business of government.”Annastacia Palaszczuk wearing a blue blazer.
Ms Palaszczuk argued the email was not sent in relation to her role as Premier but as a member of the Labor Party.(
AAP: Albert Perez)
In February, during a parliamentary hearing, Crime and Corruption Commission (CCC) chairman Alan MacSporran said it could be argued the email discussing Mr Simshauser had a component of government business.
However, Mr MacSporran said there was nothing in the contents of the emails that would spark the agency’s interest.
A portrait of Alan Macsporran, at the CCC’s headquarters in Brisbane
Mr MacSporran says there is nothing in the contents of the emails that would spark the agency’s interest.(
ABC News: Kristian Silva)
Last month, the Premier sought advice from the Solicitor-General if the emails should be considered public records, and it advised the emails either do not satisfy the requirement of a record or would be exempt with the exception outlined in that act.
In his ruling, Mr Pitt said he accepted the Premier’s explanation that at the time the question was asked she did not consider the use of her private email accounts as official business and would not be referring the matter to the ethics committee.
“On the one hand, I can see that a reasonable person could argue that there were components of the emails that could be classified as for official purposes as per the commentary of the chair of the CCC and the State Archivist’s review,” he said.
“However, on the other hand, I can also see how a reasonable person could equally validly classify these emails as party political activity.
“I have given this a great deal of reflection and in my considered view, this is a question of semantics, which comes down to the subjective and personal classification of what the person answering the question at the time might constitute official purposes.”‘Got very smug’
Ms Simpson said she “respectfully disagrees” with the Speaker’s ruling.
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“I respect the Speaker and the Speaker has come to a different viewpoint,” Ms Simpson said.
“My issue is that the Premier having an email where there has been a discussion about the appointment of somebody to a DG position and their philosophy.
“I think a reasonable person would view that as being government-related business.
“I think they’ve got very smug in how they’ve dug in — we have to continue to pursue the issue of accountability and transparency.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-16/qld-brisbane-sexual-assault-helpline/100071460
Grace Tame, Brittany Higgins drive surge in calls to helplines and counselling, say experts
Converge International’s Cate Page says the national conversation is encouraging women to come forward
“The cause of it is very much due to the conversations … starting with Brittany Higgins and some of the conversations we have heard, and it’s given women permission to speak about some of their experiences,” she said. “Anecdotally, we’ve also seen quite a lot of older women calling through. “And while they’ve been relieved and grateful that these conversations have been starting to happen … there’s a sense of grief that they were unable to tell their stories of sexual harassment and sexual assault historically.” “It is encouraging that people were speaking out, and some after many years of silence,” she said.
all right this is it from us for a few hours, you’ll be glad
struggling a bit to see the logic in pushing ahead at all costs, The Economy Must Grow and all that shit
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/coronavirus-covid-19-tokyo-olympics-case-surge/100075994
look at that energy building with each wave, it’s beautiful like the red sky of the bushfires was beautiful, it’s as if the peaks themselves are doing the exponential thing as well
in which case following the curve they’ll be having fun with 20k cases daily in Jul, just in time for our vaccine-prioritised athletes to rock up, fuck around, and find out
don’t worry that’ll only be 160 per million, less than the USSA with 200, we hear the cherry blossoms have been and gone, they’ll be ripe for the picking just before the peak
