Date: 13/04/2021 11:42:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1724265
Subject: Is Australia Great Yet?

I was bullied out of my job

How many times does this happen?

I know it has happened to me. Bullied out of a position.

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Date: 13/04/2021 11:45:45
From: Cymek
ID: 1724268
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-13/documents-reveal-rents-paid-on-wilderness-leases/100063744

Nearly half of Tasmania’s development proposals for wilderness areas have not been disclosed to the public

Tourism as some point needs to be stopped when it’s into such areas, leave them alone

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Date: 14/04/2021 14:57:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1724880
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:02:51
From: party_pants
ID: 1724884
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

mollwollfumble said:


Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:03:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1724886
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

party_pants said:


mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

and the channel islands?

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:04:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724888
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

and the channel islands?

Their status varies,. It depends on who you are , and how much money you have.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:06:29
From: party_pants
ID: 1724889
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

and the channel islands?

I thought they were not included in the standard definition of BI. But I could be wrong.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:06:36
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1724890
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

party_pants said:


mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:08:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724891
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

party_pants said:


JudgeMental said:

and the channel islands?

I thought they were not included in the standard definition of BI. But I could be wrong.

I think it’s one of those marriages of convenience.

The UK tries to pretend that the CIs are part of the UK when it’s convenient for the UK.

The CIs say, no, we’re not really, except on those occasions when they find it convenient to be part of the UK.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:08:31
From: party_pants
ID: 1724892
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

mollwollfumble said:


party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

she carked it ages ago.

Even if they were “great” under her leadership for a short time (just for the sake of argument), recent events have seen them destroy themselves anyway.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:08:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1724893
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

mollwollfumble said:


party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

Is she back from the dead?

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:09:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724894
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

mollwollfumble said:


party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes. Australia is a great place to live.

Wrong question.

“Is Britain Great yet?

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:10:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1724895
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

party_pants said:


JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

and the channel islands?

I thought they were not included in the standard definition of BI. But I could be wrong.

The Channel Islands fall into two separate self-governing bailiwicks, the Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Bailiwick of Jersey. Both are British Crown dependencies, and neither is a part of the United Kingdom…

…although they are not part of the United Kingdom, the UK is responsible for the defence and international relations of the islands.

Wiki.

Seems you are right.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:13:50
From: party_pants
ID: 1724896
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

and the channel islands?

I thought they were not included in the standard definition of BI. But I could be wrong.

The Channel Islands fall into two separate self-governing bailiwicks, the Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Bailiwick of Jersey. Both are British Crown dependencies, and neither is a part of the United Kingdom…

…although they are not part of the United Kingdom, the UK is responsible for the defence and international relations of the islands.

Wiki.

Seems you are right.

This is why they can set up as tax havens. There is also some similar weird status for Caribbean islands like the Caymans and British Virgin Islands. Conveniently the UK government always say they can’t do anything about it. These places really are a drain on the world.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:14:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1724897
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

and the channel islands?

I thought they were not included in the standard definition of BI. But I could be wrong.

The Channel Islands fall into two separate self-governing bailiwicks, the Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Bailiwick of Jersey. Both are British Crown dependencies, and neither is a part of the United Kingdom…

…although they are not part of the United Kingdom, the UK is responsible for the defence and international relations of the islands.

Wiki.

Seems you are right.

I thought no man was an island

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:16:11
From: Woodie
ID: 1724899
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


mollwollfumble said:

party_pants said:

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

“There were two great things came out of the Falklands War. Maggie Thatcher and the Exocet Missile. Just in case you can’t tell the difference, Maggie Thatcher was the one with the handbag.”

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:19:05
From: Cymek
ID: 1724900
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

“There were two great things came out of the Falklands War. Maggie Thatcher and the Exocet Missile. Just in case you can’t tell the difference, Maggie Thatcher was the one with the handbag.”

I remember lots of animosity between the UK and France over the Exocet missile

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:20:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724902
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

“There were two great things came out of the Falklands War. Maggie Thatcher and the Exocet Missile. Just in case you can’t tell the difference, Maggie Thatcher was the one with the handbag.”

The missile was the better-looking one.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:20:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1724904
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Cymek said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

“There were two great things came out of the Falklands War. Maggie Thatcher and the Exocet Missile. Just in case you can’t tell the difference, Maggie Thatcher was the one with the handbag.”

I remember lots of animosity between the UK and France over the Exocet missile

Once you sell and deliver arms to a third country, you tend to lose a little bit of control over how they get used.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:21:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1724905
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

“There were two great things came out of the Falklands War. Maggie Thatcher and the Exocet Missile. Just in case you can’t tell the difference, Maggie Thatcher was the one with the handbag.”

The missile was the better-looking one.

She went off like a rocket.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:30:19
From: Woodie
ID: 1724909
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

party_pants said:


Cymek said:

Woodie said:

“There were two great things came out of the Falklands War. Maggie Thatcher and the Exocet Missile. Just in case you can’t tell the difference, Maggie Thatcher was the one with the handbag.”

I remember lots of animosity between the UK and France over the Exocet missile

Once you sell and deliver arms to a third country, you tend to lose a little bit of control over how they get used.

The Exocet missile was a French designed and produced armament and the French had sold it to Argentina. Of which Argentina then threw it back at the British with such havoc and destruction.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:32:09
From: Cymek
ID: 1724911
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Woodie said:


party_pants said:

Cymek said:

I remember lots of animosity between the UK and France over the Exocet missile

Once you sell and deliver arms to a third country, you tend to lose a little bit of control over how they get used.

The Exocet missile was a French designed and produced armament and the French had sold it to Argentina. Of which Argentina then threw it back at the British with such havoc and destruction.

Sunk at least one ship didn’t it, should look it up

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:32:37
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724912
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Woodie said:


party_pants said:

Cymek said:

I remember lots of animosity between the UK and France over the Exocet missile

Once you sell and deliver arms to a third country, you tend to lose a little bit of control over how they get used.

The Exocet missile was a French designed and produced armament and the French had sold it to Argentina. Of which Argentina then threw it back at the British with such havoc and destruction.

I don’t recall much animosity from the UK towards McDonnell-Douglas because the Argentinians used their A-4 Skyhawks to attack San Carlos Water.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:34:29
From: sibeen
ID: 1724913
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


mollwollfumble said:

party_pants said:

Great Britain is just the geographical name of the island. It is the largest island in the group known as the British Isles. The political and social entities are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. The United Kingdom is made up of the smaller groups England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Then you have the Isle if Man which maintains some sort of quasi independence.

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

She probably would have beaten Corbyn.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:36:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724914
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

I don’t recall all that much animosity from the Brits about the Exocet, especially as they’d employed the similarly-French-origin AS12 anti-ship missiles against the Argentinian submarine ARA Santa Fe.

Which missiles, according to the RN helicopter driver, ‘performed just as described on the tin’.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:36:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724915
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

sibeen said:


captain_spalding said:

mollwollfumble said:

“Make Britain Great Again” is the election slogan of Margaret Thatcher.

She’ll be pushing shit uphill to make a comeback at the next election.

She probably would have beaten Corbyn.

If Corbyn was anyone but Corbyn, he could beat Corbyn.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:37:07
From: Cymek
ID: 1724916
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Once you sell and deliver arms to a third country, you tend to lose a little bit of control over how they get used.

The Exocet missile was a French designed and produced armament and the French had sold it to Argentina. Of which Argentina then threw it back at the British with such havoc and destruction.

I don’t recall much animosity from the UK towards McDonnell-Douglas because the Argentinians used their A-4 Skyhawks to attack San Carlos Water.

I could be wrong it was a long time ago

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:38:49
From: party_pants
ID: 1724917
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Woodie said:


party_pants said:

Cymek said:

I remember lots of animosity between the UK and France over the Exocet missile

Once you sell and deliver arms to a third country, you tend to lose a little bit of control over how they get used.

The Exocet missile was a French designed and produced armament and the French had sold it to Argentina. Of which Argentina then threw it back at the British with such havoc and destruction.

Yes I know. But Argentina already had them before the war broke out. Once they were in Argentinian hands the French could do nothing to stop them being used against the British.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:43:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724920
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

The use of ‘friendly’ weapons against their originators or originators’ allies is not without precedent.

The Japanese had a license to build DC-3s in the 1940s, and built nearly 500 of them as L2D transports during WW2.

Finland had some Hawker Hurricanes, which saw limited use against the Soviets when the Finns basically changed sides – after the Russians changed sides after the Nazis attacked Russia.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:46:41
From: Cymek
ID: 1724921
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


The use of ‘friendly’ weapons against their originators or originators’ allies is not without precedent.

The Japanese had a license to build DC-3s in the 1940s, and built nearly 500 of them as L2D transports during WW2.

Finland had some Hawker Hurricanes, which saw limited use against the Soviets when the Finns basically changed sides – after the Russians changed sides after the Nazis attacked Russia.

Tony Stark was hurt by his own weapons
Imagine if weapons sellers were held accountable to where they ended up and whom they were used on.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:48:20
From: party_pants
ID: 1724922
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Once you sell and deliver arms to a third country, you tend to lose a little bit of control over how they get used.

The Exocet missile was a French designed and produced armament and the French had sold it to Argentina. Of which Argentina then threw it back at the British with such havoc and destruction.

I don’t recall much animosity from the UK towards McDonnell-Douglas because the Argentinians used their A-4 Skyhawks to attack San Carlos Water.

Argentina were already under an arms embargo from the USA. Their A4 Skyhawks were getting a bit old and hard to maintain without US support. This is why they were switching to the newer French package of the Super Etendard with Exocet missiles. It is assumed that Argentina were only keeping their A4s in the air through outside help, possibly from Israel, but this was never officially confirmed for fear of causing annoyance to Washington.

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:53:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1724923
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:
The use of ‘friendly’ weapons against their originators or originators’ allies is not without precedent.

The Japanese had a license to build DC-3s in the 1940s, and built nearly 500 of them as L2D transports during WW2.

Finland had some Hawker Hurricanes, which saw limited use against the Soviets when the Finns basically changed sides – after the Russians changed sides after the Nazis attacked Russia.

Tony Stark was hurt by his own weapons
Imagine if weapons sellers were held accountable to where they ended up and whom they were used on.

yeah in the same way we like hold carbon emitters accountable wait

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Date: 14/04/2021 15:54:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724924
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

The use of ‘friendly’ weapons against their originators or originators’ allies is not without precedent.

The Japanese had a license to build DC-3s in the 1940s, and built nearly 500 of them as L2D transports during WW2.

Finland had some Hawker Hurricanes, which saw limited use against the Soviets when the Finns basically changed sides – after the Russians changed sides after the Nazis attacked Russia.

Tony Stark was hurt by his own weapons
Imagine if weapons sellers were held accountable to where they ended up and whom they were used on.

Well, they supposedly are.

There’s things called End User Certificates (EUCs), which are supposed to verify that all arms deals result in weapons and ammunition going to recognised and legitimate governments, who abide by international law etc. etc. You can look it up if it interests you.

Which is not to say that there isn’t a thriving little industry in sleight-of-hand with EUCs which rivals the ‘hidden’ financial industry for ingenuity. And the two often go hand-in-hand.

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:09:12
From: Cymek
ID: 1724927
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

The use of ‘friendly’ weapons against their originators or originators’ allies is not without precedent.

The Japanese had a license to build DC-3s in the 1940s, and built nearly 500 of them as L2D transports during WW2.

Finland had some Hawker Hurricanes, which saw limited use against the Soviets when the Finns basically changed sides – after the Russians changed sides after the Nazis attacked Russia.

Tony Stark was hurt by his own weapons
Imagine if weapons sellers were held accountable to where they ended up and whom they were used on.

Well, they supposedly are.

There’s things called End User Certificates (EUCs), which are supposed to verify that all arms deals result in weapons and ammunition going to recognised and legitimate governments, who abide by international law etc. etc. You can look it up if it interests you.

Which is not to say that there isn’t a thriving little industry in sleight-of-hand with EUCs which rivals the ‘hidden’ financial industry for ingenuity. And the two often go hand-in-hand.

It’s in some people nature to do anything for money and if they means lying about who received weapons then it will happen.

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:21:18
From: Woodie
ID: 1724931
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

The Exocet missile was a French designed and produced armament and the French had sold it to Argentina. Of which Argentina then threw it back at the British with such havoc and destruction.

I don’t recall much animosity from the UK towards McDonnell-Douglas because the Argentinians used their A-4 Skyhawks to attack San Carlos Water.

I could be wrong it was a long time ago

The UK dissed the US as part of the Falklands War because of the NATO alliance etc. The Yanks would not get involved. Cause they had some sort of treaty thingo with Argentina as well.

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:23:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724932
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Woodie said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

I don’t recall much animosity from the UK towards McDonnell-Douglas because the Argentinians used their A-4 Skyhawks to attack San Carlos Water.

I could be wrong it was a long time ago

The UK dissed the US as part of the Falklands War because of the NATO alliance etc. The Yanks would not get involved. Cause they had some sort of treaty thingo with Argentina as well.

That said, the British could never have pulled it off without a lot of behind-the-scenes support from the US, particularly in the form of reconnaissance and communications assets.

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:27:24
From: party_pants
ID: 1724934
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

Cymek said:

I could be wrong it was a long time ago

The UK dissed the US as part of the Falklands War because of the NATO alliance etc. The Yanks would not get involved. Cause they had some sort of treaty thingo with Argentina as well.

That said, the British could never have pulled it off without a lot of behind-the-scenes support from the US, particularly in the form of reconnaissance and communications assets.

plus the latest improved version of the sidewinder, which was only just rolling off the production line of the time. These shot down a few Skyhawks.

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:36:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724937
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

The UK dissed the US as part of the Falklands War because of the NATO alliance etc. The Yanks would not get involved. Cause they had some sort of treaty thingo with Argentina as well.

That said, the British could never have pulled it off without a lot of behind-the-scenes support from the US, particularly in the form of reconnaissance and communications assets.

plus the latest improved version of the sidewinder, which was only just rolling off the production line of the time. These shot down a few Skyhawks.

I felt prompted to check on that, as it didn’t feel quite right.

I knew that the RAAF and RAN both had AIM-9Ls at the time, and had had for a couple of years. The next big improvement was the 9M, and that did come out in 1982 with the first deliveries in that year.

I have no knowledge of or reference found for 9Ms or any upgrade-equivalents being used by anyone other than the US until after 1982.

I think that the RN was using mid-70s 9Lsat the time.

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:51:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1724943
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Tony Stark was hurt by his own weapons
Imagine if weapons sellers were held accountable to where they ended up and whom they were used on.

Well, they supposedly are.

There’s things called End User Certificates (EUCs), which are supposed to verify that all arms deals result in weapons and ammunition going to recognised and legitimate governments, who abide by international law etc. etc. You can look it up if it interests you.

Which is not to say that there isn’t a thriving little industry in sleight-of-hand with EUCs which rivals the ‘hidden’ financial industry for ingenuity. And the two often go hand-in-hand.

It’s in some people nature to do anything for money and if they means lying about who received weapons then it will happen.

Just to get this thread back on track, Great Britain is pretty much the same size it has been for a long time.

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:55:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1724945
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

The Rev Dodgson said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Well, they supposedly are.

There’s things called End User Certificates (EUCs), which are supposed to verify that all arms deals result in weapons and ammunition going to recognised and legitimate governments, who abide by international law etc. etc. You can look it up if it interests you.

Which is not to say that there isn’t a thriving little industry in sleight-of-hand with EUCs which rivals the ‘hidden’ financial industry for ingenuity. And the two often go hand-in-hand.

It’s in some people nature to do anything for money and if they means lying about who received weapons then it will happen.

Just to get this thread back on track, Great Britain is pretty much the same size it has been for a long time.

In other words it simply cannot have become greater?

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Date: 14/04/2021 16:56:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1724946
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

It’s in some people nature to do anything for money and if they means lying about who received weapons then it will happen.

Just to get this thread back on track, Great Britain is pretty much the same size it has been for a long time.

In other words it simply cannot have become greater?

Not without war with Ireland anyway.

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Date: 14/04/2021 17:13:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1724954
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

That said, the British could never have pulled it off without a lot of behind-the-scenes support from the US, particularly in the form of reconnaissance and communications assets.

plus the latest improved version of the sidewinder, which was only just rolling off the production line of the time. These shot down a few Skyhawks.

I felt prompted to check on that, as it didn’t feel quite right.

I knew that the RAAF and RAN both had AIM-9Ls at the time, and had had for a couple of years. The next big improvement was the 9M, and that did come out in 1982 with the first deliveries in that year.

I have no knowledge of or reference found for 9Ms or any upgrade-equivalents being used by anyone other than the US until after 1982.

I think that the RN was using mid-70s 9Lsat the time.

My memory is a bit hazy, it was in a book written by one of the RN Sea Harrier pilots about his time in the war. I think it was the AIM 9L. The first one with the all aspect seeker. It was in US service but only just entering UK service, maybe the RAF had them but not the RN yet. Anyway, he says in the book they got a batch of them from the US at short notice, with the US diverting a batch of their own production to the UK for immediate entry into service. As far as this pilot was concerned they were a brand new thing on the Sea Harrier.

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Date: 14/04/2021 17:14:25
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1724956
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

plus the latest improved version of the sidewinder, which was only just rolling off the production line of the time. These shot down a few Skyhawks.

I felt prompted to check on that, as it didn’t feel quite right.

I knew that the RAAF and RAN both had AIM-9Ls at the time, and had had for a couple of years. The next big improvement was the 9M, and that did come out in 1982 with the first deliveries in that year.

I have no knowledge of or reference found for 9Ms or any upgrade-equivalents being used by anyone other than the US until after 1982.

I think that the RN was using mid-70s 9Lsat the time.

My memory is a bit hazy, it was in a book written by one of the RN Sea Harrier pilots about his time in the war. I think it was the AIM 9L. The first one with the all aspect seeker. It was in US service but only just entering UK service, maybe the RAF had them but not the RN yet. Anyway, he says in the book they got a batch of them from the US at short notice, with the US diverting a batch of their own production to the UK for immediate entry into service. As far as this pilot was concerned they were a brand new thing on the Sea Harrier.

That’d be the books by either Dave Morgan or Sharky Ward I reckon.

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Date: 14/04/2021 17:20:29
From: party_pants
ID: 1724959
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Spiny Norman said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I felt prompted to check on that, as it didn’t feel quite right.

I knew that the RAAF and RAN both had AIM-9Ls at the time, and had had for a couple of years. The next big improvement was the 9M, and that did come out in 1982 with the first deliveries in that year.

I have no knowledge of or reference found for 9Ms or any upgrade-equivalents being used by anyone other than the US until after 1982.

I think that the RN was using mid-70s 9Lsat the time.

My memory is a bit hazy, it was in a book written by one of the RN Sea Harrier pilots about his time in the war. I think it was the AIM 9L. The first one with the all aspect seeker. It was in US service but only just entering UK service, maybe the RAF had them but not the RN yet. Anyway, he says in the book they got a batch of them from the US at short notice, with the US diverting a batch of their own production to the UK for immediate entry into service. As far as this pilot was concerned they were a brand new thing on the Sea Harrier.

That’d be the books by either Dave Morgan or Sharky Ward I reckon.

Could be, but I forget the names. First time I read it was syndicated in a magazine over a few months. Some years later I saw the complete book in the local library and took it home to read. But this would have been 20+ years ago already.

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Date: 14/04/2021 18:18:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724966
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Spiny Norman said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I felt prompted to check on that, as it didn’t feel quite right.

I knew that the RAAF and RAN both had AIM-9Ls at the time, and had had for a couple of years. The next big improvement was the 9M, and that did come out in 1982 with the first deliveries in that year.

I have no knowledge of or reference found for 9Ms or any upgrade-equivalents being used by anyone other than the US until after 1982.

I think that the RN was using mid-70s 9Lsat the time.

My memory is a bit hazy, it was in a book written by one of the RN Sea Harrier pilots about his time in the war. I think it was the AIM 9L. The first one with the all aspect seeker. It was in US service but only just entering UK service, maybe the RAF had them but not the RN yet. Anyway, he says in the book they got a batch of them from the US at short notice, with the US diverting a batch of their own production to the UK for immediate entry into service. As far as this pilot was concerned they were a brand new thing on the Sea Harrier.

That’d be the books by either Dave Morgan or Sharky Ward I reckon.

Hmmm…maybe i’m the one who’s mistake after all these years, about 9Ls in Australia. Although i felt confident that they’d jumped up from 9Gs by then.

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Date: 14/04/2021 18:37:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1724971
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Just had a hunt around, and came up with a reference to AIM-9Ls being at HMAS Albatross in 1979, and everyone being rather pleased to have the new version.

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Date: 14/04/2021 19:05:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1724987
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

https://www.melissapricemp.com.au/latest-news-2/opinion-piece-strong-pm-steers-the-ship

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Date: 14/04/2021 19:26:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1724992
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


https://www.melissapricemp.com.au/latest-news-2/opinion-piece-strong-pm-steers-the-ship

strong-pm-steers-the-ship?

Didn’t read.

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Date: 14/04/2021 19:28:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1724993
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:
https://www.melissapricemp.com.au/latest-news-2/opinion-piece-strong-pm-steers-the-ship

strong-pm-steers-the-ship?

Didn’t read.

we admit we sneaked 2 lines, it’s exactly what you think it is, it’s a 3rd person sock puppetry of the time when Marketing took credit for WAP Mark winning

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Date: 15/04/2021 01:18:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1725047
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.melissapricemp.com.au/latest-news-2/opinion-piece-strong-pm-steers-the-ship

strong-pm-steers-the-ship?

Didn’t read.

we admit we sneaked 2 lines, it’s exactly what you think it is, it’s a 3rd person sock puppetry of the time when Marketing took credit for WAP Mark winning

You mean he tried to take credit?

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Date: 15/04/2021 09:44:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1725092
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

strong-pm-steers-the-ship?

Didn’t read.

we admit we sneaked 2 lines, it’s exactly what you think it is, it’s a 3rd person sock puppetry of the time when Marketing took credit for WAP Mark winning

You mean he tried to take credit?

well fair’s fair, if we had a say then Marketing would be driving us to vote for WAP Mark too, crédit where crédit’s due

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Date: 15/04/2021 10:05:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1725111
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

when shit like this happens? No.

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/calm-and-measured-christine-holgate-slays-the-bullies-and-the-morrison-govt-hypocrisy/

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Date: 15/04/2021 10:11:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1725116
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-15/christine-holgate-covid-vaccine-fails-morrison-cant-problems/100068900

Morrison is frustrated Holgate is suggesting her gender was a factor and he’s frustrated Labor doesn’t seem to be wearing any opprobrium for stirring up the scandal in the first place. After all, it was Anthony Albanese who asked Morrison in Parliament:

“how on his watch, in the middle of the worst recession in almost a century, with one million Australians unemployed, businesses collapsing and a trillion dollars of Liberal debt, this government is taking no action against the Liberal-appointed Australia Post board, which spent $12,000 of taxpayers’ money on Cartier watches?”

LOL, trolled.

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Date: 15/04/2021 10:11:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1725117
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Ah so we are back on topic?

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Date: 15/04/2021 10:12:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1725120
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


when shit like this happens? No.

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/calm-and-measured-christine-holgate-slays-the-bullies-and-the-morrison-govt-hypocrisy/

Australia is not Great Yet because calm and measured women slay bullies and government hypocrisy ¿

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Date: 15/04/2021 10:14:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1725123
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-15/christine-holgate-covid-vaccine-fails-morrison-cant-problems/100068900

Morrison is frustrated Holgate is suggesting her gender was a factor and he’s frustrated Labor doesn’t seem to be wearing any opprobrium for stirring up the scandal in the first place. After all, it was Anthony Albanese who asked Morrison in Parliament:

“how on his watch, in the middle of the worst recession in almost a century, with one million Australians unemployed, businesses collapsing and a trillion dollars of Liberal debt, this government is taking no action against the Liberal-appointed Australia Post board, which spent $12,000 of taxpayers’ money on Cartier watches?”

LOL, trolled.

wait weren’t Labor saying that $12k is too little, if we want economic activity for The Economy Must Grow then at least make it $12M of corruption grants, and now look

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Date: 15/04/2021 13:54:43
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1725331
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

https://www.tasmaniantimes.com/2021/04/rape-in-a-small-community/

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:22:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1725420
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

with snags like these Australia is well on the way to being better.

Smokey Beef, Bacon & Maple. Donnybrook Butchers.

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:28:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1725423
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

JudgeMental said:


with snags like these Australia is well on the way to being better.

Smokey Beef, Bacon & Maple. Donnybrook Butchers.


I used to make nice sausages. But I left my barely-used sausage-stuffing machine at the last place and it was never retrieved.

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:30:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1725424
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Bubblecar said:


JudgeMental said:

with snags like these Australia is well on the way to being better.

Smokey Beef, Bacon & Maple. Donnybrook Butchers.


I used to make nice sausages. But I left my barely-used sausage-stuffing machine at the last place and it was never retrieved.

You’ve still got the mincer though, the one Arts recommended?

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:41:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1725436
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

JudgeMental said:

with snags like these Australia is well on the way to being better.

Smokey Beef, Bacon & Maple. Donnybrook Butchers.


I used to make nice sausages. But I left my barely-used sausage-stuffing machine at the last place and it was never retrieved.

You’ve still got the mincer though, the one Arts recommended?

I don’t remember Arts recommending it, but yes, I still have the mincer, which has a sausage stuffing attachment.

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:42:24
From: Arts
ID: 1725438
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I used to make nice sausages. But I left my barely-used sausage-stuffing machine at the last place and it was never retrieved.

You’ve still got the mincer though, the one Arts recommended?

I don’t remember Arts recommending it, but yes, I still have the mincer, which has a sausage stuffing attachment.

it was of Robert Pickton quality.

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:43:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1725439
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

I used to make nice sausages. But I left my barely-used sausage-stuffing machine at the last place and it was never retrieved.

You’ve still got the mincer though, the one Arts recommended?

I don’t remember Arts recommending it, but yes, I still have the mincer, which has a sausage stuffing attachment.

In action in the old cottage.

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:44:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1725442
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Arts said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You’ve still got the mincer though, the one Arts recommended?

I don’t remember Arts recommending it, but yes, I still have the mincer, which has a sausage stuffing attachment.

it was of Robert Pickton quality.

Hehe.

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Date: 15/04/2021 16:54:56
From: transition
ID: 1725445
Subject: re: Is Australia Great Yet?

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You’ve still got the mincer though, the one Arts recommended?

I don’t remember Arts recommending it, but yes, I still have the mincer, which has a sausage stuffing attachment.

In action in the old cottage.

if you put the sausage into the receptacle you would have a perpetuate sausage machine, master car

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