Date: 13/04/2021 16:10:08
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1724378
Subject: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

French authorities cut down some 1,000 historic oaks as part of the Paris cathedral’s ambitious reconstruction process


Workers felling 150-year-old oak trees in the Villefermoy forest, near Echouboulains, France, on March 15. The wood will eventually used to reconstruct Notre-Dame Cathedral’s roof and spire.

After a devastating fire destroyed much of the roof and iconic Gothic spire of Paris’ Notre-Dame Cathedral in April 2019, architects from around the world proposed an array of ideas for how to rebuild. One envisioned a structure made from recycled ocean plastic, while another suggested that the roof be converted into a cross-shaped swimming pool.

Ultimately, however, the French government agreed to rebuild Notre-Dame’s iconic spire “exactly as it was.” Now, with the time-consuming process of authentic reconstruction well underway, the government is taking a major—and somewhat controversial—step: cutting down 1,000 historic oak trees in more than 200 forests across the country, as Thomas Adamson and Nicolas Garriga report for the Associated Press (AP).

Public and private forests from every corner of France contributed roughly 150- to 200-year-old oaks that were selected through a painstaking process in January and February of this year, per the AP. As Kim Willsher reported for the Guardian in February, the trees needed to be chopped down by the end of March, before their sap rose, to prevent humidity in the wood.

“Given the place occupied by the cathedral in the hearts of the French, in the history of France and the world … we are happy the entire industry—from foresters to sawyers—is mobilized to meet this challenge,” Michel Druilhe, president of France Bois Forêt, a national professional network for forestry, tells the AP.

Planners scoured France’s forests with drones to spot tall-enough trees with few deformities, reports Saskya Vandoorne for CNN. Eight of the largest trees were taken from the forests of Bercé, in France’s Loire region. These oaks were planted during Louis XIV’s reign (1643–1715), when the famed Sun King was working to expand his navy and needed wood for his ships’ masts. The trees naturally grow with a slight curve, making them ideally suited for their destination as the bulk of the reconstructed wooden spire.


Some of the felled trees stood 60 feet tall, according to the AP. Before it was cut down this week, one tree had lived for more than 230 years: As CNN notes, the oak was just a sapling during the French Revolution.

Naomi Rea of Artnet News reports that a petition condemning the trees’ removal as “ecocide” garnered more than 40,000 signatures. In response, officials pointed out that the oaks would have been cut down anyway during routine forest maintenance.

Per a translation by the Guardian, Dominique de Villebonne, deputy director of France’s National Forests Office (ONF), told Le Parisien’s Emilie Torgemen that the project “is about ancient forestry heritage, not 20-year-old trees, but those that are very old, including plantations ordered by former kings to build ships and ensure the grandeur of the French fleet.”

Architects Philippe Villeneuve and Rémi Fromont are overseeing the reconstruction of the spire, which was designed by Eugène Emmanuel Viollet-le-Duc in 1859 and stood 93 meters (305 feet) tall. They will also painstakingly reconstruct the roof’s wooden lattice. (Per the New York Times, the roof’s attic was previously dubbed the forêt, or forest, for its highly flammable nest of century-old beams.)

Workers have been cleaning up the damage wrought by the blaze and stabilizing the building’s lower levels since 2019, reports the Guardian.

French President Emmanuel Macron has previously stated that the country plans to reopen the Unesco World Heritage site by 2024, in time for the Paris Summer Olympics. But many have dismissed this plan as “unrealistic,” per the AP. Authentic reconstruction takes time: For instance, the trees themselves need to be dried for up to 18 months before they can be used in construction.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dozens-century-old-oak-trees-felled-rebuild-notre-dame-cathedrals-iconic-spire-180977481/

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:17:01
From: dv
ID: 1724386
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

That would be right

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:18:23
From: Tamb
ID: 1724390
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

dv said:


That would be right

In this case I think they are right to use those trees.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:19:04
From: sibeen
ID: 1724391
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Tamb said:


dv said:

That would be right

In this case I think they are right to use those trees.

+1

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:23:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1724398
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Tamb said:


dv said:

That would be right

In this case I think they are right to use those trees.

CCA treated pine would suffice. it’s going to be clad so no one will see it.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:23:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1724399
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

I’m not a fan of cathedrals or religion, but these forests are their trees. If they think that’s the best use for them, so be it.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:23:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1724400
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Tamb said:


dv said:

That would be right

In this case I think they are right to use those trees.

I approve. It’s selective logging to the enth.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:30:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1724404
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

sarahs mum said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

That would be right

In this case I think they are right to use those trees.

I approve. It’s selective logging to the enth.

And all for the glory of mankind.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:32:42
From: sibeen
ID: 1724407
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

PermeateFree said:


sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

In this case I think they are right to use those trees.

I approve. It’s selective logging to the enth.

And all for the glory of mankind.

Vive la France

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:34:58
From: Tamb
ID: 1724408
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

sibeen said:


PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

I approve. It’s selective logging to the enth.

And all for the glory of mankind.

Vive la France


I’ve been there a few times, It’s a pretty impressive shed.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:40:25
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1724409
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

sibeen said:


PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

I approve. It’s selective logging to the enth.

And all for the glory of mankind.

Vive la France

Vive la Global Warming, because you haven’t got a hope of avoiding it with that attitude where centuries old trees and their eco-systems are destroyed to rebuild a religious icon that could have been constructed more cheaply and just as effectively with other materials. And bear in mind within a century or two it will burn down again. :)))

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:44:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1724411
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

PermeateFree said:

And bear in mind within a century or two it will burn down again. :)))

Hmmmm well my suggestion of CCA treated pine might not be a good idea. Maybe that Blue stuff.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:44:57
From: Tamb
ID: 1724412
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

PermeateFree said:


sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

And all for the glory of mankind.

Vive la France

Vive la Global Warming, because you haven’t got a hope of avoiding it with that attitude where centuries old trees and their eco-systems are destroyed to rebuild a religious icon that could have been constructed more cheaply and just as effectively with other materials. And bear in mind within a century or two it will burn down again. :)))


A wide, sweeping & contentious statement.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:52:05
From: party_pants
ID: 1724417
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:54:16
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1724419
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Tamb said:


PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

Vive la France

Vive la Global Warming, because you haven’t got a hope of avoiding it with that attitude where centuries old trees and their eco-systems are destroyed to rebuild a religious icon that could have been constructed more cheaply and just as effectively with other materials. And bear in mind within a century or two it will burn down again. :)))


A wide, sweeping & contentious statement.

That attitude is what exists world wide, with not a seconds thought of ripping what you want from the environment to satisfy the whim of the people. If such things were of great importance and safeguarding other biological systems it might be fair enough, but no we just do because we can and to hell with the consequences. Well unfortunately for your descendance, nature has had enough of us and is coming to rectify the situation, which in my opinion cannot come soon enough, so do carry on and destroy as much as you can. :))).

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Date: 13/04/2021 16:54:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1724420
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

party_pants said:


How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Jus keep a sprinkler going at all times.

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:00:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1724421
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

PermeateFree said:


Tamb said:

PermeateFree said:

Vive la Global Warming, because you haven’t got a hope of avoiding it with that attitude where centuries old trees and their eco-systems are destroyed to rebuild a religious icon that could have been constructed more cheaply and just as effectively with other materials. And bear in mind within a century or two it will burn down again. :)))


A wide, sweeping & contentious statement.

That attitude is what exists world wide, with not a seconds thought of ripping what you want from the environment to satisfy the whim of the people. If such things were of great importance and safeguarding other biological systems it might be fair enough, but no we just do because we can and to hell with the consequences. Well unfortunately for your descendance, nature has had enough of us and is coming to rectify the situation, which in my opinion cannot come soon enough, so do carry on and destroy as much as you can. :))).

I think its stupid when all sorts of other materials exist but would it come under heritage listing and require material from or techniques from that era to be genuine, not that really makes much difference.

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:03:56
From: party_pants
ID: 1724423
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Jus keep a sprinkler going at all times.

who’s gunna pay for that, we’re wondering?

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:04:07
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1724424
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Tamb said:


PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

Vive la France

Vive la Global Warming, because you haven’t got a hope of avoiding it with that attitude where centuries old trees and their eco-systems are destroyed to rebuild a religious icon that could have been constructed more cheaply and just as effectively with other materials. And bear in mind within a century or two it will burn down again. :)))


A wide, sweeping & contentious statement.

Yeah, that’s the problem, people are too dumb to see what they are doing and the dead end they cannot get to fast enough. What you have expressed is what most people have been expressing for a very long time and look where it has got us! It is the way we see the world with us at the top and the only rightful benefactor. It is our attitude to life that will end up killing us and if you find that contentious then that is your problem.

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:08:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1724426
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Jus keep a sprinkler going at all times.

who’s gunna pay for that, we’re wondering?

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:10:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1724429
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

PermeateFree said:

Tamb said:
PermeateFree said:
Vive la Global Warming, because you haven’t got a hope of avoiding it with that attitude where centuries old trees and their eco-systems are destroyed to rebuild a religious icon that could have been constructed more cheaply and just as effectively with other materials. And bear in mind within a century or two it will burn down again. :)))

A wide, sweeping & contentious statement.

Yeah, that’s the problem, people are too dumb to see what they are doing and the dead end they cannot get to fast enough. What you have expressed is what most people have been expressing for a very long time and look where it has got us! It is the way we see the world with us at the top and the only rightful benefactor. It is our attitude to life that will end up killing us and if you find that contentious then that is your problem.

not to worry once CHINA get their sequestration systems going and worldwide atmospheric CO2 is dropping precipitously we can all burn as much as we like

and we’ll have to because everything will be fkn cold again

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:11:11
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1724430
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Jus keep a sprinkler going at all times.

who’s gunna pay for that, we’re wondering?

the Mexicans?

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:14:28
From: party_pants
ID: 1724434
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

JudgeMental said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Jus keep a sprinkler going at all times.

who’s gunna pay for that, we’re wondering?

the Mexicans?

If they make it an EU project then Germany will somehow end up paying for it.

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:17:20
From: buffy
ID: 1724436
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Not the oldest trees being used, but quite a lot of them are “farmed” trees. They were planted to be harvested. Or so it says in the reading bit.

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Date: 13/04/2021 17:48:09
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1724460
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

buffy said:


Not the oldest trees being used, but quite a lot of them are “farmed” trees. They were planted to be harvested. Or so it says in the reading bit.

Yes centuries ago, which I do not think counts.

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Date: 13/04/2021 19:04:28
From: dv
ID: 1724490
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

party_pants said:


How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Just make it all out of tungsten carbide

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Date: 13/04/2021 19:06:52
From: party_pants
ID: 1724491
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

dv said:


party_pants said:

How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Just make it all out of tungsten carbide

can you get tungsten carbide with a fake oak finish?

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Date: 13/04/2021 19:08:57
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1724492
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

party_pants said:


dv said:

party_pants said:

How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Just make it all out of tungsten carbide

can you get tungsten carbide with a fake oak finish?

Ikea probably do.

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Date: 13/04/2021 19:10:33
From: dv
ID: 1724493
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

party_pants said:


dv said:

party_pants said:

How are they going to fireproof it? The thing might catch alight and burn down again just when they have finished it.

Just make it all out of tungsten carbide

can you get tungsten carbide with a fake oak finish?

It’s amazing what people are doing with 3d printers these days

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Date: 14/04/2021 20:01:18
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1724999
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Great, cutting down historic trees.

It will be burnt down again anyway. A Web cam caught someone atop notre dame creating very bright flashes just before the fire.

My guesses – a left wing group such as ANTIFA, or similarly minded burnt it down.

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Date: 14/04/2021 20:09:39
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1725000
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

wookiemeister said:


Great, cutting down historic trees.

It will be burnt down again anyway. A Web cam caught someone atop notre dame creating very bright flashes just before the fire.

My guesses – a left wing group such as ANTIFA, or similarly minded burnt it down.

And we all know how good you are with guesses.

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Date: 14/04/2021 20:12:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1725001
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

Great, cutting down historic trees.

It will be burnt down again anyway. A Web cam caught someone atop notre dame creating very bright flashes just before the fire.

My guesses – a left wing group such as ANTIFA, or similarly minded burnt it down.

And we all know how good you are with guesses.

it was probably embers from those burning carriers off turkey that started it!

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Date: 16/04/2021 00:01:07
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1725531
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

JudgeMental said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Great, cutting down historic trees.

It will be burnt down again anyway. A Web cam caught someone atop notre dame creating very bright flashes just before the fire.

My guesses – a left wing group such as ANTIFA, or similarly minded burnt it down.

And we all know how good you are with guesses.

it was probably embers from those burning carriers off turkey that started it!


Well America under Biden might decide they want to fight Russia after all

Its one thing to wage a war with 14 year old boys with AKs older them them, it’s another to fight a war with no air cover fighting with the enemy using self propelled artillery , tanks, anti tank missiles, years of training etc.

My main concern is the left wing mindless zombies that have infested the education system/ gov – I’ve been watching things collapse for decades.

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Date: 16/04/2021 00:22:51
From: party_pants
ID: 1725541
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

wookiemeister said:


Great, cutting down historic trees.

It will be burnt down again anyway. A Web cam caught someone atop notre dame creating very bright flashes just before the fire.

My guesses – a left wing group such as ANTIFA, or similarly minded burnt it down.

ANTIFA are like God. They strike fear and trembling in the hearts of believers, but in reality don’t exist.

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Date: 16/04/2021 00:28:59
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1725543
Subject: re: Hundreds of Centuries-Old Trees Felled to Rebuild Notre-Dame’s Iconic Spire

party_pants said:


wookiemeister said:

Great, cutting down historic trees.

It will be burnt down again anyway. A Web cam caught someone atop notre dame creating very bright flashes just before the fire.

My guesses – a left wing group such as ANTIFA, or similarly minded burnt it down.

ANTIFA are like God. They strike fear and trembling in the hearts of believers, but in reality don’t exist.


Ive heard they are just a concept. All those people in black clothes smashing peoples skulls are a concept.

Its starting to make sense now when you read about the Weimar Republic and the nazis fighting the communists, the communists were obviously as violent as the nazis except with better PR. the communists had already murdered numerous people in the newly minted soviet union – they were obviously under the impression Germany could fall the same way.

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