The old thread is out of date, it seems.
So I’ve started a new one with this uplifting story.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/bhutan-had-one-of-the-worlds-most-successful-coronvaccine-drives/100069540
Michael V said:
The old thread is out of date, it seems.So I’ve started a new one with this uplifting story.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/bhutan-had-one-of-the-worlds-most-successful-coronvaccine-drives/100069540
Prime Minister Lotay Tshering, who was a doctor before entering politics
well we can’t all expect to have political leaders who have special abilities other than bullshitting
And my sister in Texas has just reported that she’s had a J&J jab. And now they are rolling out for the 16-18 year olds some of her students will also be vaccinated shortly. She teaches special needs kids.
Canada’s becoming something of a basket case.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56779428
Peak Warming Man said:
Canada’s becoming something of a basket case.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56779428
Blame Their White Cisgender Male Leader, Mr Tru’
Goodbye cruel world.
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:Canada’s becoming something of a basket case.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56779428
Blame Their White Cisgender Male Leader, Mr Tru’
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/nsw-holder-sun-international-students/100075938
Akshit Bhasin is struggling to complete his course to become a mechanic remotely from India. “As everyone knows, a car can’t be repaired online,” Mr Bhasin said.
Quitter talk, everyone knows that algorithms, artificial intelligence, and autonomous agents are the way things are done these days.
“I have high confidence that NSW is more likely to pull this off,” Mr Johnsson said.
Pretty sure plenty of other states have lower density and opportunity for more remote quarantine.
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
mollwollfumble said:
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
Looks like India’s picked up a new strain.
Listen up folks. My latest Covid calculation. The worst places in the world to live. Is the text large enough to read?
In eastern Europe there are countries even worse off than Brazil.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
Looks like India’s picked up a new strain.
Listen up folks. My latest Covid calculation. The worst places in the world to live. Is the text large enough to read?
In eastern Europe there are countries even worse off than Brazil.
Obviously daily deaths per million is different to deaths per million.
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
Looks like India’s picked up a new strain.
Listen up folks. My latest Covid calculation. The worst places in the world to live. Is the text large enough to read?
In eastern Europe there are countries even worse off than Brazil.
Nigeria is doing startlingly well. In the past I have counted Nigeria as the second sickest country in the world (after India) because it has major diseases that have wiped out elsewhere. But with Covid, Nigeria it is more like the second healthiest country in the world (after China) based on deaths per million population.
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
Looks like India’s picked up a new strain.
Listen up folks. My latest Covid calculation. The worst places in the world to live. Is the text large enough to read?
In eastern Europe there are countries even worse off than Brazil.
Obviously daily deaths per million is different to deaths per million.
¡ differential operator, we get it, genius !
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
Looks like India’s picked up a new strain.
Listen up folks. My latest Covid calculation. The worst places in the world to live. Is the text large enough to read?
In eastern Europe there are countries even worse off than Brazil.
Nigeria is doing startlingly well. In the past I have counted Nigeria as the second sickest country in the world (after India) because it has major diseases that have wiped out elsewhere. But with Covid, Nigeria it is more like the second healthiest country in the world (after China) based on deaths per million population.
they already all died before, and now they’re dying with, not of
mollwollfumble said:
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
Probably a reporting lag.
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
WTF happened here to Mexico. Daily deaths.
Probably a reporting lag.
Easter resurrections
SCIENCE said:
The Economy Must Grow But This Is Education So We Support Limited Intakes If They Apply Serious Infection Control Measures
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/nsw-holder-sun-international-students/100075938
Akshit Bhasin is struggling to complete his course to become a mechanic remotely from India. “As everyone knows, a car can’t be repaired online,” Mr Bhasin said.
Quitter talk, everyone knows that algorithms, artificial intelligence, and autonomous agents are the way things are done these days.
“I have high confidence that NSW is more likely to pull this off,” Mr Johnsson said.
Pretty sure plenty of other states have lower density and opportunity for more remote quarantine.
we take some of the welcome back
—
Health authorities are investigating a potential transmission of COVID-19 within a quarantine hotel in Sydney.
Seven returned travellers who were being quarantined on the 12th floor of the Adina Apartments Hotel in Town Hall were all found to have the same COVID-19 viral sequence.
The seven people were from two family groups who arrived from different countries and on different days.
However, they stayed in adjacent rooms in the quarantine hotel.
Dr Conaty said all staff who were working on the hotel’s 12th floor while the original case was potentially infectious, between April 8 and April 11, are self-isolating until they receive further advice from NSW Health.
Security staff who were working over that period are all either partially or fully vaccinated.
Other returned travellers who were on the same floor have all been retested and have returned negative results.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
The Economy Must Grow But This Is Education So We Support Limited Intakes If They Apply Serious Infection Control Measures
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/nsw-holder-sun-international-students/100075938
Akshit Bhasin is struggling to complete his course to become a mechanic remotely from India. “As everyone knows, a car can’t be repaired online,” Mr Bhasin said.
Quitter talk, everyone knows that algorithms, artificial intelligence, and autonomous agents are the way things are done these days.
“I have high confidence that NSW is more likely to pull this off,” Mr Johnsson said.
Pretty sure plenty of other states have lower density and opportunity for more remote quarantine.
we take some of the welcome back
—
Health authorities are investigating a potential transmission of COVID-19 within a quarantine hotel in Sydney.
Seven returned travellers who were being quarantined on the 12th floor of the Adina Apartments Hotel in Town Hall were all found to have the same COVID-19 viral sequence.
The seven people were from two family groups who arrived from different countries and on different days.
However, they stayed in adjacent rooms in the quarantine hotel.
Dr Conaty said all staff who were working on the hotel’s 12th floor while the original case was potentially infectious, between April 8 and April 11, are self-isolating until they receive further advice from NSW Health.
Security staff who were working over that period are all either partially or fully vaccinated.
Other returned travellers who were on the same floor have all been retested and have returned negative results.
~algorithms, artificial intelligence, and autonomous agents are the way things are done these days.
Not with Morris Ambassadors they’re not.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
The Economy Must Grow But This Is Education So We Support Limited Intakes If They Apply Serious Infection Control Measures
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/nsw-holder-sun-international-students/100075938
Akshit Bhasin is struggling to complete his course to become a mechanic remotely from India. “As everyone knows, a car can’t be repaired online,” Mr Bhasin said.
Quitter talk, everyone knows that algorithms, artificial intelligence, and autonomous agents are the way things are done these days.
“I have high confidence that NSW is more likely to pull this off,” Mr Johnsson said.
Pretty sure plenty of other states have lower density and opportunity for more remote quarantine.
we take some of the welcome back
—
Health authorities are investigating a potential transmission of COVID-19 within a quarantine hotel in Sydney.
Seven returned travellers who were being quarantined on the 12th floor of the Adina Apartments Hotel in Town Hall were all found to have the same COVID-19 viral sequence.
The seven people were from two family groups who arrived from different countries and on different days.
However, they stayed in adjacent rooms in the quarantine hotel.
Dr Conaty said all staff who were working on the hotel’s 12th floor while the original case was potentially infectious, between April 8 and April 11, are self-isolating until they receive further advice from NSW Health.
Security staff who were working over that period are all either partially or fully vaccinated.
Other returned travellers who were on the same floor have all been retested and have returned negative results.
NSW?!
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
The Economy Must Grow But This Is Education So We Support Limited Intakes If They Apply Serious Infection Control Measures
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/nsw-holder-sun-international-students/100075938
Akshit Bhasin is struggling to complete his course to become a mechanic remotely from India. “As everyone knows, a car can’t be repaired online,” Mr Bhasin said.
Quitter talk, everyone knows that algorithms, artificial intelligence, and autonomous agents are the way things are done these days.
“I have high confidence that NSW is more likely to pull this off,” Mr Johnsson said.
Pretty sure plenty of other states have lower density and opportunity for more remote quarantine.
we take some of the welcome back
—
Health authorities are investigating a potential transmission of COVID-19 within a quarantine hotel in Sydney.
Seven returned travellers who were being quarantined on the 12th floor of the Adina Apartments Hotel in Town Hall were all found to have the same COVID-19 viral sequence.
The seven people were from two family groups who arrived from different countries and on different days.
However, they stayed in adjacent rooms in the quarantine hotel.
Dr Conaty said all staff who were working on the hotel’s 12th floor while the original case was potentially infectious, between April 8 and April 11, are self-isolating until they receive further advice from NSW Health.
Security staff who were working over that period are all either partially or fully vaccinated.
Other returned travellers who were on the same floor have all been retested and have returned negative results.
NSW?!
Yes
Imagine being a medical expert and going ALL CAPS conspiracy versus our lord and saviour Marketing.
Someone might mistake your vaccinated 5G autistic ramblings for intelligence.
SCIENCE said:
oh well at least like the coal burners they seem to have a love of CO2
Imagine being a medical expert and going ALL CAPS conspiracy versus our lord and saviour Marketing.
Someone might mistake your vaccinated 5G autistic ramblings for intelligence.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
oh well at least like the coal burners they seem to have a love of CO2
Imagine being a medical expert and going ALL CAPS conspiracy versus our lord and saviour Marketing.
Someone might mistake your vaccinated 5G autistic ramblings for intelligence.
- is missing.
sorry
looks like our follow up post disappeared too
here’s the text
The only options are:
4/ a) Zero covid (e.g. us now and where Israel is heading)
b) Wild oscillations in Covid (e.g. the UK)
c) Out of control Covid (e.g. Brazil)
WE MUST STAY AT ZERO COVID. But there is a safe way to stage opening up…
—
there was also this
Herb Lou Corteen
The second tweet in this thread needs underscoring.
It is the selection of vaccine resistant variants that WILL result from opening prematurely that is the risk. A huge risk. A risk we don’t need to take. This is unfolding in real time in Flag of Canada who have just gone into 6 wk lockdown
12:46 PM · Apr 17, 2021
mollwollfumble said:
Goodbye cruel world.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/global-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-three-million/100076850
deaths are on the rise again worldwide, running at around 12,000 per day on average, and new cases are climbing too, eclipsing 700,000 a day
“This is not the situation we want to be in 16 months into a pandemic, where we have proven control measures,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, one of the World Health Organization’s leaders on COVID-19.
In Brazil, where deaths are running at about 3,000 per day, accounting for one-quarter of the lives lost worldwide in recent weeks, the crisis has been likened to a “raging inferno” by one WHO official.
This situation is similarly dire in India, where cases spiked in February after weeks of steady decline, taking authorities by surprise. In a surge driven by variants of the virus, India saw over 180,000 new infections in one 24-hour span during the past week, bringing the total number of cases to over 13.9 million.
The challenges facing India reverberate beyond its borders since the country is the biggest supplier of shots to COVAX, the UN-sponsored program to distribute vaccines to poorer parts of the world. Last month, India said it would suspend vaccine exports until the virus’s spread inside the country slows.
can we just remind that vaccinations are not very relevant right now if you’re having a pandemic explosion, vaccines are not really good first line measures to control infections
they’re good for stamping out, good for preventing clusters becoming superclusterfucks, but when you’re already fucked then maybe what you need is to just stay home for 2 weeks
US, where over 560,000 lives have been lost, accounting for more than 1 in 6 of the world’s COVID-19 deaths, hospitalisations and deaths have dropped, businesses are reopening, and life is beginning to return to something approaching normal in several states. The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits tumbled last week to 576,000, a post-COVID-19 low.
normal, holy fk
Dr Marc Leone, head of intensive care at the North Hospital in Marseille, said exhausted front-line staff members who were feted as heroes at the start of the pandemic now feel alone and are clinging to hope that renewed school closings and other restrictions will help curb the virus in the coming weeks.
maybe they can lock it harder for 3 extra weeks and get cases to almost 0, or maybe not
> can we just remind that vaccinations are not very relevant right now if you’re having a pandemic explosion, vaccines are not really good first line measures to control infections
> they’re good for stamping out, good for preventing clusters becoming superclusterfucks, but when you’re already fucked then maybe what you need is to just stay home for 2 weeks
As I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020. The vaccine released in December was already 8 months old by the time it was released.
I am still waiting for newspaper reports of people with the double Astrazeneca vaccine dose to show up with covid. No reports. Why? It’s only supposed to be 57% efficient so thousands of cases ought to have shown up by now.
Vaccines are good during pandemic explosions. Good at any time during a pandemic really, but save far more people if distributed early.
Don’t distribute vaccines to old people first. Distribute to those people who are super-spreaders first.
> can we just remind that vaccinations are not very relevant right now if you’re having a pandemic explosion, vaccines are not really good first line measures to control infections
> they’re good for stamping out, good for preventing clusters becoming superclusterfucks, but when you’re already fucked then maybe what you need is to just stay home for 2 weeks
As I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020. The vaccine released in December was already 8 months old by the time it was released.
I am still waiting for newspaper reports of people with the double Astrazeneca vaccine dose to show up with covid. No reports. Why? It’s only supposed to be 57% efficient so thousands of cases ought to have shown up by now.
Vaccines are good during pandemic explosions. Good at any time during a pandemic really, but save far more people if distributed early.
Don’t distribute vaccines to old people first. Distribute to those people who are super-spreaders first.
The following chart is approximate current mortality for all countries with a population greater than 1 million and a mortality greater than world average. Values are not all that reliable for small countries like Yemen, and for those countries that only release accurate data one a week.
mollwollfumble said:
As I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020.
Ref?
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:As I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020.
Ref?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford–AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine#History
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:As I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020.
Ref?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford–AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine#History
It is a simple binary digit.
Stop the virus and any of its variants using therapy – ivermectin
wookiemeister said:
Stop the virus and any of its variants using therapy – ivermectin
You may as well drink homeopathic water that has been treated with denatured SARS-Cov-2 virus particles for all the good that’ll do.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:As I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020.
Ref?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford–AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine#History
Ta.
wookiemeister said:
Stop the virus and any of its variants using therapy – ivermectin
I’ll stick with drinking bleach thank you very much.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Stop the virus and any of its variants using therapy – ivermectin
I’ll stick with drinking bleach thank you very much.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Stop the virus and any of its variants using therapy – ivermectin
I’ll stick with drinking bleach thank you very much.
If it comes to these types of remedies I’d prefer to drink whisky.
Michael V said:
wookiemeister said:
Stop the virus and any of its variants using therapy – ivermectin
You may as well drink homeopathic water that has been treated with denatured SARS-Cov-2 virus particles for all the good that’ll do.
I’d prefer a bourbon…just saying.
I put Worldometers on my favourites when it was 145,454 cases and 5,420 deaths.
It’s now.
Woodie said:
I put Worldometers on my favourites when it was 145,454 cases and 5,420 deaths.It’s now.
but is it still your favourite
Michael V said:
wookiemeister said:
Stop the virus and any of its variants using therapy – ivermectin
You may as well drink homeopathic water that has been treated with denatured SARS-Cov-2 virus particles for all the good that’ll do.
inject
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:Canada’s becoming something of a basket case.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56779428
Blame Their White Cisgender Male Leader, Mr Tru’
The world’s biggest vaccine producer is running out of Covid-19 vaccines, as second wave accelerates
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
I put Worldometers on my favourites when it was 145,454 cases and 5,420 deaths.It’s now.
but is it still your favourite
Haven’t looked for a cuppla weeks, actually.
Brazil has warned women to postpone pregnancy until the worst of the coronavirus pandemic has passed, saying that the variants of the coronavirus in Brazil have been more aggressive in pregnant women.
ah remember H1N1 2009 and how everyone shat themselves but this COVID-19 thing, it’s just a minor cold, people who menstruate breeders should keep menstruating and not put it on hold for 9 months be pregnant, can’t be having children now for The Economy Must Grow can we
SCIENCE said:
bq. Brazil has warned women to postpone pregnancy until the worst of the coronavirus pandemic has passed, saying that the variants of the coronavirus in Brazil have been more aggressive in pregnant women.ah remember H1N1 2009 and how everyone shat themselves but this COVID-19 thing, it’s just a minor cold,
people who menstruatebreeders should keep menstruating and notput it on hold for 9 monthsbe pregnant, can’t be having children now for The Economy Must Grow can we
No. I don’t remember this.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
bq. Brazil has warned women to postpone pregnancy until the worst of the coronavirus pandemic has passed, saying that the variants of the coronavirus in Brazil have been more aggressive in pregnant women.ah remember H1N1 2009 and how everyone shat themselves but this COVID-19 thing, it’s just a minor cold,
people who menstruatebreeders should keep menstruating and notput it on hold for 9 monthsbe pregnant, can’t be having children now for The Economy Must Grow can we
No. I don’t remember this.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100420161750.htm
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20090729/pregnancy-ups-swine-flu-death-risk
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2009/12/h1n1-poses-grave-risk-pregnant-women-new-moms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4557717/
Twelve percent of pregnancy-related deaths were attributed to confirmed or possible influenza A (H1N1) pdm09 infection during the 2009–2010 pandemic season. Because prediction of pandemics is difficult, planning for prevention of influenza and care for those women affected are critical for preventing associated severe maternal morbidity and mortality.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2760905/
Human infection with the novel H1N1 strain of the influenza A virus (formerly called swine flu) was first identified in April 2009.1,2 The outbreak has since reached pandemic status. Pregnant women are at especially high risk for the development of complications of H1N1 influenza A.2–5 During pregnancy, healthy women have a 4- to 5-fold increased rate of serious illness and hospitalization with influenza.6 For this reason, it is critical that all obstetric care providers be familiar with the symptoms, treatment, and prevention of H1N1 infection in pregnant women
SCIENCE said:
For real?
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
For real?
Swedes seeking to reassure themselves that, being the-almost-perfect-people, they didn’t (incredible as it may seem) make a mistake in thinking that they didn’t need face-masks.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
For real?
I’d suspect not real. I’m fairly sure they could do a much better job of the translation if they were an official source.
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
I put Worldometers on my favourites when it was 145,454 cases and 5,420 deaths.It’s now.
but is it still your favourite
Haven’t looked for a cuppla weeks, actually.
I like to stalk Sweden on Worldometers. Here are today’s graphs:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
They seem to have had only two death peaks. And positive cases are rising but without another death peak, apparently. I did notice though that you have to be very careful with the vertical axis on the deaths per day charts in Worldometers. They are using a different gradation for different countries. Sweden’s one at the moment runs from zero to 150, but if you look at the one for another country it will go to a higher number, for some countries into the thousands. If you don’t keep your wits about you it would be easy to think the daily death numbers were similar, when they are not.
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<
Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
buffy said:
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
Yeah, I’d just read that and it had me scratching my head.
buffy said:
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
No whiff of any Covid vaccine here, and I’m buffy’s age.
I’ll give the GP a call on Monday and see if they’re doing flu shots.
But it can takes weeks to get a GP appointment in this village these days, for anything.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
No whiff of any Covid vaccine here, and I’m buffy’s age.
I’ll give the GP a call on Monday and see if they’re doing flu shots.
But it can takes weeks to get a GP appointment in this village these days, for anything.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
No whiff of any Covid vaccine here, and I’m buffy’s age.
I’ll give the GP a call on Monday and see if they’re doing flu shots.
But it can takes weeks to get a GP appointment in this village these days, for anything.
My GP has phoned me twice to give me an appointment. I can’t be vaccinated until my hematologist gives me the OK.
Yeah, but you are older than us! 1a and 1b are the only ones sort of underway at the moment.
The program. On the government website.
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-vaccinated-for-covid-19/when-will-i-get-a-covid-19-vaccine#check-your-eligibility
50-59 and 60-69 are not available yet.
buffy said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:No whiff of any Covid vaccine here, and I’m buffy’s age.
I’ll give the GP a call on Monday and see if they’re doing flu shots.
But it can takes weeks to get a GP appointment in this village these days, for anything.
My GP has phoned me twice to give me an appointment. I can’t be vaccinated until my hematologist gives me the OK.Yeah, but you are older than us! 1a and 1b are the only ones sort of underway at the moment.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
starting with “essential travel”
lol
I can get the covid vaccine because I am a carer… but I am not essential carer.. so I’m not rushing into it.. there are more important people that need it than me
buffy said:
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
Weird, weird, weird.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
Weird, weird, weird.
Maybe he’s made a decision on the run – to get 2A started.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
>>On Sunday, Mr Morrison said it was essential people aged over 50 received the vaccine, which was readily available.<<Um, no. 50-60 it’s not available unless there are extenuating circumstances. Even those of us over 60 can’t just rock up and ask yet. This man is stupid.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/scott-morrison-no-hurry-open-australian-borders-to-travel/100077086
Weird, weird, weird.
Maybe he’s made a decision on the run – to get 2A started.
But there is a supply problem…and that is his government’s department…
Definitely still only doing 1a and 1b.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/victorian-health-minister-vaccine-covid-19/100077168
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/nsw-covid-cases-reclassified/100077176
we wonder if anyone’s ever suggested remote quarantine to reduce the likelihood of problems like these
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/nsw-covid-cases-reclassified/100077176we wonder if anyone’s ever suggested remote quarantine to reduce the likelihood of problems like these
I don’t think so.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/nsw-covid-cases-reclassified/100077176we wonder if anyone’s ever suggested remote quarantine to reduce the likelihood of problems like these
I don’t think so.
That article didn’t come up in my Justin.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/nsw-covid-cases-reclassified/100077176we wonder if anyone’s ever suggested remote quarantine to reduce the likelihood of problems like these
I don’t think so.
That article didn’t come up in my Justin.
I saw it earlier. It’s about 20 down now.
Have a good news story.
This is the number of new covid cases per day in Tanzania.
With a population of 61 million people, Tanzania is the largest country with no new cases or deaths.
If they’re telling the truth.
mollwollfumble said:
Have a good news story.
This is the number of new covid cases per day in Tanzania.
With a population of 61 million people, Tanzania is the largest country with no new cases or deaths.
If they’re telling the truth.
Goodo.
The UK results from their mass vaccination are remarkable.
They have something like 400 million+ vaccines available for a population of 70 million.
Mostly AZ but a shed load of other types as well.
They are all kicking arse compared to Europe.
The US is also kicking arse with their vaccines.
Peak Warming Man said:
The UK results from their mass vaccination are remarkable.
They have something like 400 million+ vaccines available for a population of 70 million.
Mostly AZ but a shed load of other types as well.
They are all kicking arse compared to Europe.
The US is also kicking arse with their vaccines.
Yeah, but that AZ stuff is useless, useless I tells ya.
mollwollfumble said:
Have a good news story.
This is the number of new covid cases per day in Tanzania.
With a population of 61 million people, Tanzania is the largest country with no new cases or deaths.
If they’re telling the truth.
I thought that it was well established that Tanzania lied about covid. Previous president said they were covid free through prayer and then up and died, of covid (allegedly)…
Peak Warming Man said:
The UK results from their mass vaccination are remarkable.
They have something like 400 million+ vaccines available for a population of 70 million.
Mostly AZ but a shed load of other types as well.
They are all kicking arse compared to Europe.
The US is also kicking arse with their vaccines.
More than half of their AZ is imported from the EU, pretty much all of the others come from there too.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The UK results from their mass vaccination are remarkable.
They have something like 400 million+ vaccines available for a population of 70 million.
Mostly AZ but a shed load of other types as well.
They are all kicking arse compared to Europe.
The US is also kicking arse with their vaccines.
More than half of their AZ is imported from the EU, pretty much all of the others come from there too.
so much for all you naysayers out there then, that seems like quite a sweet as Brexit deal they have going
Covid-19 has redefined airborne transmission.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n913
No punches pulled here:
Covid-19: Failed response in Brazil has led to humanitarian catastrophe, says MSF.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1002
Mark’s Fault
This week’s flu. Not as bad as feared.
mollwollfumble said:
This week’s flu. Not as bad as feared.
still higher than all of 2020, we’re screwed
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:As I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020.
Ref?
Look it up yourself you lazy bugger. You won’t believe me until you do. Use Google Scholar to find it. Oxford was the first place to officially announce that they had a vaccine.
mollwollfumble said:
> can we just remind that vaccinations are not very relevant right now if you’re having a pandemic explosion, vaccines are not really good first line measures to control infections
> they’re good for stamping out, good for preventing clusters becoming superclusterfucks, but when you’re already fucked then maybe what you need is to just stay home for 2 weeksAs I said before. The development of the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine was complete by 27 Mar 2020. The vaccine released in December was already 8 months old by the time it was released.
I am still waiting for newspaper reports of people with the double Astrazeneca vaccine dose to show up with covid. No reports. Why? It’s only supposed to be 57% efficient so thousands of cases ought to have shown up by now.
Vaccines are good during pandemic explosions. Good at any time during a pandemic really, but save far more people if distributed early.
Don’t distribute vaccines to old people first. Distribute to those people who are super-spreaders first.
The following chart is approximate current mortality for all countries with a population greater than 1 million and a mortality greater than world average. Values are not all that reliable for small countries like Yemen, and for those countries that only release accurate data one a week.
I’m tracking all countries new cases and deaths for a week to get the most reliable figures for the above two charts. I have the data for all countries for three days so far, another four days to go.
SARS-AoE-2
SCIENCE said:
SARS-AoE-2
Got a link?
SCIENCE said:
SARS-AoE-2
Never in the history of mankind has a germ been so scienced.
SCIENCE said:
SARS-AoE-2
Can you tells us which one is the British veriant, the South African variant, the Brazil variant etc? Those numbers don’t mean much to me.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
SARS-AoE-2
Can you tells us which one is the British veriant, the South African variant, the Brazil variant etc? Those numbers don’t mean much to me.
B.1.617 is an Indian variant
B.1.351 is a South African variant
BTW with regard to this chart … is it the British testing results?
dv said:
party_pants said:buffy said:Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:SARS-AoE-2
Got a link?
Never in the history of mankind has a germ been so scienced.
Can you tells us which one is the British veriant, the South African variant, the Brazil variant etc? Those numbers don’t mean much to me.
B.1.617 is an Indian variant
B.1.351 is a South African variant
BTW with regard to this chart … is it the British testing results?
India testing apparently. Flicking through, we can’t see that explicitly stated but we may have missed a sentence or two.
The so-called double mutation coronavirus found in Maharashtra may be becoming the most prevalent among all mutant variants in India, genome sequencing data submitted by Indian scientists to a global database indicates, according to a recent analysis that takes into account when they were detected. The analysis shows for the first time how the detection of various variants of the coronavirus may have changed.
The double mutation virus – now classified as B.1.617 – was the most common in the samples sequenced in the 60 days prior to April 2 at 24%. The variant was first detected on October 5 and was relatively obscure till it began popping up on increasing number of samples January onwards, the India situation report on outbreak.info showed. On April 1, it accounted for 80% of all analysed genome sequences of mutant variants sent by India to the global repository GISAID.
The second most-commonly found variant in the last 60 days was the UK variant, or B.1.1.7, at 13% of the samples, according to the assessment by scientists from Scripps Research.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/spreading-faster-hitting-harder-why-young-brazilians-are-dying-of-covid
https://unherd.com/2021/04/did-sweden-get-covid-wrong/
One for buffy over her morning mocha.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/spreading-faster-hitting-harder-why-young-brazilians-are-dying-of-covid
read that
sibeen said:
https://unherd.com/2021/04/did-sweden-get-covid-wrong/One for buffy over her morning mocha.
Good article.
dv said:
sibeen said:
https://unherd.com/2021/04/did-sweden-get-covid-wrong/One for buffy over her morning mocha.
Thank you. Latest worldometers puts them at 29 on deaths per million. Updated earlier today.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
When news broke that Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine might be linked to blood clots, the company responded by pointing a finger at Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines, issuing a “media statement“http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/04/18/jj.statement.png that said a study showed there were reports of blood clots with their vaccines as well.
But the study doesn’t show that at all, according to the lead author. “We didn’t find anyone with blood clots,” Dr. Eun-Ju Lee, an assistant professor of medicine at Weill Cornell Medical College, said of her study of Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccines. “We didn’t find any of those scary things that are happening with Johnson & Johnson.”
In its media statement, Johnson & Johnson wrote there had been reports of blood clots for “all Covid-19 vaccines.” “That is a really irresponsible thing to say,” said Dr. Paul Offit, referring to the J&J media statement. Offit, a vaccine expert at the University of Pennsylvania, is a member of the US Food and Drug Administration’s advisory panel that reviewed emergency use authorization applications from all three Covid-19 vaccine manufacturers.
That study, published in February in the American Journal of Hematology, analyzed reports of people who had experienced low blood platelet levels — not blood clots. “Those are entirely different entities,” said Lee, the study’s lead author. “It’s like apples and oranges.”
The Johnson & Johnson April 9 media statement included a link to a Lancet study that shows reports of blood clots with AstraZeneca’s vaccine. CDC monitoring through February 13, however, found no increased incidence of certain types of blood clotting disorders or thrombocytopenia among people who’d received Pfizer or Moderna.
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of course we should note that the authors of studies are heavily conflicted, for example
E.L., and J.W.S. declare no conflict of interest. D.B.C. has received relevant research support from Alexion and Aplagon, and served as a consultant to Rigel, Dova, and CSL Behring. T.G. has received honoraria from Amgen; has acted as a consultant for Amgen, Dova Pharmaceuticals, Biogen, Cellphire, Fujifilm, Rigel, Shionogi, and Principia; and has received research support from Principia. C.K. has served on advisory boards for Novartis, Rigel, Dova, Pfizer. M.M. has received research support from GSK, and received fees from LFB. M.D.T. has received research funding from Grifols and Novo Nordisk; is on advisory boards for Biogen, Grifols, Kedrion, Novo Nordisk, Pfizer, and Takeda; is a speaker for Amgen, Grifols, Octapharma, and Takeda; and reviews grants for Pfizer. D.M.A. has received research funding from Novartis, Bristol‐Myers Squibb, and Rigel and has acted as a consultant for Novartis, Principia, and Rigel. B.G. served as an expert for Amgen, Novartis, LFB and Roche; has received research support from Amgen and Roche. M.P.L. has served on advisory boards for Octapharma and Shionogi, has acted as a consultant for Amgen, Novartis, Shionogi, Dova, Principia, Argenx, Rigel and Bayer, and has received research funding from Sysmex, Novartis, Rigel and Astra Zeneca. J.B.B. has served on advisory boards and/or consulted for Amgen, Novartis, Dova, Rigel, UCB, Argenx, Momenta, Regeneron, RallyBio, and CSL‐Behring.
this should be fun
By Dannielle Maguire
New Zealand has recorded a new case of COVID-19 in a border worker at Auckland Airport, a day after the Trans-Tasman travel bubble opened.
NZ’s Ministry of Health says they are undergoing the usual protocol of isolating the case, interviewing them, and tracing their contacts and movements.
Some 1,800 Australians travelled to New Zealand yesterday without having to quarantine.
By Dannielle Maguire
We’ve heard a lot of criticism about the slow pace of Australia’s vaccine rollout, now America’s top infectious disease expert has weighed in.
Anthony Fauci said it was reasonable to expect a few “stumbles” in the rollout.
Around 1.5 million doses have been administered in Australia.
Compare that to the US, where half of all adults have received at least one dose, and everyone above the age of 16 is now eligible for a shot.
“I wouldn’t be that hard on Australia if this is the beginning of your program, because you always expect some stumbles early on,” Dr Fauci told ABC NewsRadio.
Another critique of the Australian response has been our reliance on just two vaccines — Pfizer and AstraZeneca.
Dr Fauci said the US needed 600 million vaccine doses for its population of 300 million people (Australia’s population is about 25.6 million, in case you were wondering), so they had to seek out as many alternatives as possible.
“We needed more than one company because the companies had obligations to other countries in the world, and they were not going to give us all the vaccine that we needed,” he said.
“So we had to utilise other companies.”
The case was detected in a worker who had been cleaning the interiors of aircraft used to transport people from high-risk countries into New Zealand, some of whom have COVID.
“I can confirm that that was someone who was vaccinated, and fully vaccinated, quite early on in the campaign,” Ms Ardern said.
“This is also someone who is part of routine testing. So they were last tested on the 12th and then the 19th. So regular testing. And it was their most recent test in which this case has been picked up.”
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oh so Pfizer not so good now eh
SCIENCE said:
The case was detected in a worker who had been cleaning the interiors of aircraft used to transport people from high-risk countries into New Zealand, some of whom have COVID.“I can confirm that that was someone who was vaccinated, and fully vaccinated, quite early on in the campaign,” Ms Ardern said.
“This is also someone who is part of routine testing. So they were last tested on the 12th and then the 19th. So regular testing. And it was their most recent test in which this case has been picked up.”
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oh so Pfizer not so good now eh
Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you breathing the virus into your throat and it being found on a swab. If you get the timing right. It should mean you have a less symptoms dose of the lurgy though. Vaccination simply means your body knows how to fight that particular bug.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:The case was detected in a worker who had been cleaning the interiors of aircraft used to transport people from high-risk countries into New Zealand, some of whom have COVID.“I can confirm that that was someone who was vaccinated, and fully vaccinated, quite early on in the campaign,” Ms Ardern said.
“This is also someone who is part of routine testing. So they were last tested on the 12th and then the 19th. So regular testing. And it was their most recent test in which this case has been picked up.”
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oh so Pfizer not so good now eh
Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you breathing the virus into your throat and it being found on a swab. If you get the timing right. It should mean you have a less symptoms dose of the lurgy though. Vaccination simply means your body knows how to fight that particular bug.
well we might be mistaken but we thought the point of vaccines was to achieve herd immunity and not just selfish severe disease prevention but we guess this is New Zealand under a LABOR government led by females
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:SCIENCE said:The case was detected in a worker who had been cleaning the interiors of aircraft used to transport people from high-risk countries into New Zealand, some of whom have COVID.“I can confirm that that was someone who was vaccinated, and fully vaccinated, quite early on in the campaign,” Ms Ardern said.
“This is also someone who is part of routine testing. So they were last tested on the 12th and then the 19th. So regular testing. And it was their most recent test in which this case has been picked up.”
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oh so Pfizer not so good now eh
Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you breathing the virus into your throat and it being found on a swab. If you get the timing right. It should mean you have a less symptoms dose of the lurgy though. Vaccination simply means your body knows how to fight that particular bug.
well we might be mistaken but we thought the point of vaccines was to achieve herd immunity and not just selfish severe disease prevention but we guess this is New Zealand under a LABOR government led by females
here, found you the answer from Your ABC, it seems they are using us all as an experiment to see if vaccine herd immunity is going to be good enough
By Jessica Riga
Reporter: What was the point of being fully vaccinated, how could that worker have tested positive and what does that mean?
Mr Hunt: “This is exactly the point which was under discussion.
“As we know, the world is learning about the transmission effects of the vaccines. This was the point of the British Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty when he was commenting on the fact of how the vaccination rollout in another country had gone, and the need to observe and learn.
“That was my point last week – nothing more, nothing less. I’ll let the New Zealand authorities talk through the case.
“But it’s clear, as has been the case with the CDC in the US, I think the CDC gave data recently on people who are fully vaccinated with Pfizer and there is a percentage, a small percentage of those, that have contracted the virus. What’s unknown is their capacity to re-transmit.
“Where there’s a single case such as this, New Zealand is exceptionally well-placed to understand the viral load, to understand the re-transmission capability, to make sure that it’s contained.
“And so the lesson from New Zealand is that there’s not 100 per cent prevention of people contracting the disease but the evidence from around the world, through the clinical trials, as published in the Lancet, as identified by the WHO, is that the vaccines being used in Australia, the figures identified has been 100 per cent prevention against serious illness, hospitalisation and loss of life.”
Grandfather with pneumonia spends nine hours waiting in chair at Launceston hospital
Establishment of the Swedish Agency for Psychological Defense
https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/kommittedirektiv/inrattande-av-myndigheten-for-psykologiskt-forsvar_H9B120
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from a bunch of dudes in CHINA so probably all garbage and lies
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/pdfExtended/S1931-3128(21)00096-2
One year of SARS-CoV-2 evolution
As an RNA virus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has a relatively high mutation rate that results in abundant variations within its genome. In the past year, over 20,000 mutations (https://bigd.big.ac.cn/ncov/variation/annotation) and some insertion/deletions have been detected in SARS-CoV-2 strains.
Recent evidence has demonstrated the existence of recurrent deletion regions (RDRs) that map to defined antibody epitopes, and deletions in these regions appear to emerge independently in a parallel, convergent pattern of viral antigenic evolution that may confer resistance to neutralizing antibodies (McCarthy et al., 2020).
We should be concerned about the rapid growth and spread of various SARS-CoV-2 mutants. The SARS-CoV-2 population has accumulated over 75 heritable mutations in only a year since the initial outbreak, a short time on the evolutionary scale. Our analysis of mutations, both of those naturally occurring in COVID-19 patients within the past year and of those experimentally generated within the laboratory, leads us to infer the likely generation of SARS-CoV-2 strains with even greater infectivity and pathogenicity within the coming year.
SEE TOLD YOU THEY WERE INVENTING THESE VIRUSES IN THE LABORATORY AND PREPARING TO UNLEASH A BIGGER NASTIER VERSION THIS YEAR
SCIENCE said:
from a bunch of dudes in CHINA so probably all garbage and lieshttps://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/pdfExtended/S1931-3128(21)00096-2
One year of SARS-CoV-2 evolution
As an RNA virus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has a relatively high mutation rate that results in abundant variations within its genome. In the past year, over 20,000 mutations (https://bigd.big.ac.cn/ncov/variation/annotation) and some insertion/deletions have been detected in SARS-CoV-2 strains.
Recent evidence has demonstrated the existence of recurrent deletion regions (RDRs) that map to defined antibody epitopes, and deletions in these regions appear to emerge independently in a parallel, convergent pattern of viral antigenic evolution that may confer resistance to neutralizing antibodies (McCarthy et al., 2020).
We should be concerned about the rapid growth and spread of various SARS-CoV-2 mutants. The SARS-CoV-2 population has accumulated over 75 heritable mutations in only a year since the initial outbreak, a short time on the evolutionary scale. Our analysis of mutations, both of those naturally occurring in COVID-19 patients within the past year and of those experimentally generated within the laboratory, leads us to infer the likely generation of SARS-CoV-2 strains with even greater infectivity and pathogenicity within the coming year.
SEE TOLD YOU THEY WERE INVENTING THESE VIRUSES IN THE LABORATORY AND PREPARING TO UNLEASH A BIGGER NASTIER VERSION THIS YEAR
> Our analysis of mutations, both of those naturally occurring in COVID-19 patients within the past year and of those experimentally generated within the laboratory, leads us to infer the likely generation of SARS-CoV-2 strains with even greater infectivity and pathogenicity within the coming year.
Yeah, well, with somewhere between 300 and 1,000 new strains each month, there are going to be some with greater infectivity and some with greater mortality.
All I can say right now, from today’s 3rd wave calculations, is that the strains circulating in eastern Europe right now have both greater infectivity and pathogenicity than any others in the world. Bosnia, Macedonia and to a lesser extent Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia.
I would strongly recommend against letting people in from those countries.
Woodie said:
Hehe.
Woodie said:
Would be better off in Bill’s “COVID vaccines” thread.
sibeen said:
Woodie said:
Would be better off in Bill’s “COVID vaccines” thread.
If one were a rotter one would contemplate doing that.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Woodie said:
Would be better off in Bill’s “COVID vaccines” thread.
If one were a rotter one would contemplate doing that.
well that really is what a shitty PM would do
Professor Kelly said survey data showed the advice did not change older Australians’ attitude toward the vaccine, but it did change younger people’s attitude. “Quite reasonably, those who don’t see the high benefit of vaccinations — the younger people who are less likely to have severe COVID — their confidence has decreased since the announcement on the 8th of April,” he said. “If people feel they are at risk of suffering from a disease they’re much more likely to be lining up for vaccination.” He also said 30 per cent of Australians were currently worried about coronavirus affecting them, compared to 70 per cent of people in March last year.
Marketing solution: well, it’s easy! Scare them with a new wave of infections, throw open the borders for The Economy Must Grow even though we know that it will do shit when people are dying.
Correct solution: so people in Australia are smart enough to recognise that ZeroCOVID strategies save lives and save The Economy Must Grow and are correspondingly less worried as long as we maintain such a strategy. Let’s maintain a ZeroCOVID strategy!
Professor Toole said one of the big reasons some countries had been so successful in vaccinating their populations was their use of hubs instead of general practitioners as distribution points. He said one of the good reasons Australia was behind some countries was the government was cautious in the approval process. “The bad reason is of course, that we probably didn’t have as diverse a range of vaccines to pick from,” he said.
He said Australia’s health authorities should be looking further afield for vaccines, including Russia’s Sputnik V. “I wouldn’t rush into getting the Chinese vaccine, but I think we should be looking at the Russian one, particularly as we can probably manufacture it here — we would have to get a license,” he said. “But I think now that Johnson & Johnson is off the table, we should be looking as broadly as we can.”
LOL
Hey, worldometer beat me to it. Thank you worldometer.
I’ve analysed 4 days of 3rd wave data going on 5, in order to get sufficient data for 7 day averages (since data from so many countries has a seven day cycle).
Just now, brand new, worldometers has done it for me, introducing a “weekly trends” tab.
I can get mortality rate from that directly by dividing “deaths in the last 7 days” by “cases in the previous 7 days”.
And by looking back to population on the main chart I can divide “deaths in the last 7 days” by “population” to divine the worst covid places in the world to live.
Deepti Gurdasani
23h, 18 tweets, 4 min read
A bit concerned by scientists claiming with absolute certainty that VOCs will not evade vaccine responses & that this has never happened in ‘real people’. This has happened in clinical trials & dismissing very real risks provides false reassurance & prevents pre-emptive action.
First, I want to say that the current variant dominant in the UK at 98-99% is the Kent variant (B.1.1.7), and the vaccines being used in the UK are highly effective against preventing symptomatic and severe disease with this. Please do take the vaccine if you are offered it.
Vaccines are a hugely important resource. And it’s important to address the real risks posed to vaccine efficacy by new variants- rather than dismiss these without basis. This is the only way we can take pre-emptive action to protect vaccine resources. Which we must try to do.
Blind optimism and hope isn’t what we’re here for as scientists. We’re here to communicate facts. And these are the facts:
Vaccine effectiveness is reduced with some variants, and for some vaccines- this is not just data from the laboratory, but from clinical trials.
Some would say ‘But we still have high efficacy with severe disease’
There is no certainty about this for some vaccines. Astra which is widely used in the UK showed no efficacy against mild-moderate disease with B.1.351 as per the trial report in NEJM.
While one can hope for some efficacy against severe disease, or with alternative dosing regimens, there is absolutely no guarantee of this – and anyone guaranteeing this with certainty is not basing claims in evidence that exists in data from ‘real people’.
Vaccine efficacy against symptomatic disease with B.1.351 is also reduced with Novavax and J&J (although still high). We know for Novavax at least that effectiveness against severe disease is still preserved.
What does this mean?
It’s really great if effectiveness against severe disease is preserved, because it protects the individual. However, there is evidence to suggest that effectiveness in preventing infection with some VOCs may be lower. What does this mean at population level?
Ultimately, the aim at population level is to reach herd immunity- which is the threshold at which the R drops below 1 just as a result of vaccine related population immunity. This threshold depends on the impact of vaccines in preventing infection & transmission.
So while effectiveness in preventing severe disease is vitally important, reduction in effectiveness in preventing infection & transmission can still have important implications for the pandemic at population level.
As I’ve said before vaccine effectiveness is a pyramid. There is efficacy in:
1. Preventing infection
2. Preventing transmission (lower viral loads)
3. Prevent symptoms
4. Preventing moderate disease
5. Preventing severe disease.
5. can be preserved while 1, 2 & 3 may be reduced, as we’ve seen with vaccines with B.1.351. More robust immune responses are needed to prevent infection that to prevent severe disease – so these will be the first ones to go with escape- with impact on reaching herd immunity. This means that either a greater proportion of the population may need to be vaccinated to reach the herd immunity threshold, or perhaps that it may not be possible to reach this through vaccines alone, if impact on transmission is not sufficiently high.
I know I’ll be criticised by some suggesting that this thread causes undue alarm. I don’t believe it does. As I’ve said it’s because vaccines are such an important part of pandemic response, that we need to protect them. And to do this we need to act proactively to do this. The best way to do this is acknowledge risks to vaccine effectiveness posed by VOCs & minimise these by preventing import/spread. Dismissing real risks – however well intentioned- can prevent us responding to these proactively based in optimism that may not bear out in reality.
Just want to add for anyone claiming that we don’t have data on severe disease efficacy for Astra and B.1.351. Yes, we don’t- because the trial was suspended after interim results showing no/minimal efficacy against mild-moderate disease, as it was not deemed ethical to continue. SA stopped Astra roll out based on the trial- which means we’ll probably not have these data at least in the clinical trial context – as the risks of possible lack of protection from Astra were deemed to be too high for the govt or the trial team to take, based on their data.
O avanço da variante P.1, descoberta em Manaus em janeiro, levou a cidade de São Paulo a mudar sua orientação para todos aqueles que forem infectados por coronavírus. Agora, eles devem procurar uma unidade de saúde assim que surgirem os sintomas, e não mais quando eles se agravarem. Segundo a prefeitura, a mudança tem três motivos, todos associados à nova variante: agravamento rápido do quadro de saúde, mais jovens atingidos e tempo de internação maior.
Levantamentos apontam que a variante, mais contagiosa, já está presente em mais de 80% dos pacientes da Grande São Paulo no início de março. A P.1 tem avançado rapidamente em outras partes do país. No Rio de Janeiro, estima-se que a incidência dela passou de 67% em fevereiro para quase 100% em abril.
Dados do governo paulista apontam que na primeira onda da pandemia mais de 80% dos leitos UTIs eram ocupados por idosos e portadores de doenças crônicas, e agora 60% das vagas são ocupadas por pessoas de 30 a 50 anos, a maioria sem doença prévia. Dados da Associação de Medicina Intensiva Brasileira (Amib) apontam alta de 17% nos pacientes de até 40 anos em UTIs.
Atualmente, quase 88% dos leitos UTI da cidade estão ocupados. Antes da pandemia, São Paulo tinha 575 leitos UTI SUS, e hoje conta com 1.430. Havia quase 2.000 leitos de enfermaria, e hoje são mais de 3.600. “Mas o que a gente abre ocupa rapidamente”, afirma Aparecido. Além disso, eles ficam ocupados por mais tempo. No Estado de São Paulo, a média de ocupação de UTIs passou de 7 a 10 dias por paciente, para 14 a 17 dias, pelo menos, segundo o governo estadual.
Still, it is important to remember that arriving at an ICU is not a guarantee that the patient will survive. About 80% of covid-19 intubated died in Brazil in 2020, with the global average being 50%.
SCIENCE said:
O avanço da variante P.1, descoberta em Manaus em janeiro, levou a cidade de São Paulo a mudar sua orientação para todos aqueles que forem infectados por coronavírus. Agora, eles devem procurar uma unidade de saúde assim que surgirem os sintomas, e não mais quando eles se agravarem. Segundo a prefeitura, a mudança tem três motivos, todos associados à nova variante: agravamento rápido do quadro de saúde, mais jovens atingidos e tempo de internação maior.Levantamentos apontam que a variante, mais contagiosa, já está presente em mais de 80% dos pacientes da Grande São Paulo no início de março. A P.1 tem avançado rapidamente em outras partes do país. No Rio de Janeiro, estima-se que a incidência dela passou de 67% em fevereiro para quase 100% em abril.
Dados do governo paulista apontam que na primeira onda da pandemia mais de 80% dos leitos UTIs eram ocupados por idosos e portadores de doenças crônicas, e agora 60% das vagas são ocupadas por pessoas de 30 a 50 anos, a maioria sem doença prévia. Dados da Associação de Medicina Intensiva Brasileira (Amib) apontam alta de 17% nos pacientes de até 40 anos em UTIs.
Atualmente, quase 88% dos leitos UTI da cidade estão ocupados. Antes da pandemia, São Paulo tinha 575 leitos UTI SUS, e hoje conta com 1.430. Havia quase 2.000 leitos de enfermaria, e hoje são mais de 3.600. “Mas o que a gente abre ocupa rapidamente”, afirma Aparecido. Além disso, eles ficam ocupados por mais tempo. No Estado de São Paulo, a média de ocupação de UTIs passou de 7 a 10 dias por paciente, para 14 a 17 dias, pelo menos, segundo o governo estadual.
Ainda assim, é importante lembrar que a chegada a uma UTI não é uma garantia de que o paciente vai sobreviver. Cerca de 80% dos intubados por covid-19 morreram no Brasil em 2020, sendo que a média global é de 50%.
sorry, fixed with link
https://youtu.be/r0pdJjATV48?t=1759
>> Ian: as the Ontario ICUs approach a crisis level there’s worry about who might be denied care.
>> It’s a death sentence, because refusing them critical care pretty much guarantees they’re not going to survive.
>> Ian: the life-and-death decisions doctors will soon have to make if Ontario is forced to triage next.
>> Ian: welcome back. critical care doctors and nurses have been sounding the alarm about the crisis unfolding in Ontario’s ICUs. with limited resources and people, the worst case scenario is that they’ll have to start deciding who gets intensive care and who doesn’t. here’s terence mckenna about what we know about the protocol drawn up to guide Ontario doctors. (*)
>> Reporter: this week the Ontario medical transportation company orng has set a record for patient transfers, moving intensive care patients out of the worst hit areas of the province, especially around Toronto. taking them to regional hospitals that still have room. some hospitals are at the breaking point. beds full, staff exhausted. every model shows that the situation will be getting even worse in the weeks ahead. dr. david neilpovitz is chief of critical care at the ottawa hospital.
>> I think we all recognize that the numbers are going in the wrong way, so, yes, it will be worsening.
>> Reporter: Ontario doctors are preparing for an emergency situation where critical care will have to be rationed. if there are just not enough intensive care beds to go around, the question becomes — who gets them, and who doesn’t? critical care services Ontario has provided this colour-coded chart for doctors to help to assess a patient’s predicted short-term mortality risk, assessing their chances of dying in the next 12 months from non-covid causes.
>> so do they have heart disease, do they have lung disease, kidney disease? do they have cancer? how likely are they to survive from their other illnesses and medical problems over the next year?
>> Reporter: patients will be scored on the seriousness of their illness. can they dress, bathe, eat, walk, or get out of bed without assistance? could they handle their finances or go shopping? when the existence of this triage protocol leaked out it enraged the advocates for disabled people like Toronto lawyer david loposki.
>> the problem is that Ontario’s triage protocol is rampant with disability discrimination and that is flagrantly contrary to the human rights code and the canadian charter of rights and freedoms. it’s a death sentence because refusing them critical care pretty much guarantees they’re not going to survive.
>> Reporter: doctors say there are explicit protections for disabled people in the triage protocol.
>> In my opinion and for what it’s worth, is that disabilities doesn’t factor in as a major factor to limit care.
>> good morning, everyone.
>> Reporter: on january 21st, critical care services Ontario released this webinar featuring dr. neilpovitz and others, explaining the triage protocol to hospital staff across the province.
>> this finger painting here is a schematic of what a triage might look like as numbers mount.
>> Reporter: the webinar included a chart showing how patients with the least likelihood of 12 month survival would be prevented of receiving critical care as the level of rationing increased. it emphasized that at least two doctors would have to sign off on any triaged decision. making these life-and-death decisions will be an enormous ethical challenge for doctors.
>> none of us want to be playing god, none of us want to limit the care of anyone. i think that the idea that we want to help the most patients possible. and so is it ethical to provide treatment that won’t help an individual long term? with it having the potential of harming another. so you can argue it’s unethical to actually provide treatment as you would be harming another patient.
>> Reporter: the triaged protocol includes possibly taking a patient off a ventilator. currently family consent is needed for such a gut-wrenching decision and the barra family is facing that now. the 78-year-old was a vibrant and healthy father and grandfather before stricken with covid and admitted to the ottawa hospital intensive care ward back on february 1st. because they say that he’s not getting better, the doctors want to withdraw life support. his daughter nadine strongly objects.
>> he’s able to make eye contact. he can move his mouth as if he’s trying to speak. and he can track you as well. can you close your eyes, dad? good. now open them. there. the ICU is full and the doctors are overwhelmed and i think that making irrational decisions like this.
>> Reporter: the hospital says that it would happen even if there were no pandemic.
>> you’re in there, bubba.
>> Reporter: the final decision could be made by a consent and capacity board with patients’ rights representation. one of the most controversial elements of this debate concerns emergency medical technicians who work in ambulances. sometimes those EMT paramedics make the decision to insert a breathing tube to keep a patient alive until they reach the hospital. then by law that breathing tube cannot be withdrawn without consent either by the patient or next-of-kin.
>> they would not initiate resuscitation in certain scenarios.
>> Reporter: in the webinar there was discussion whether ambulance attendants should be instructed to not intubate some patients.
>> we have been warning for a year of what we call trickle down triage. now when an ambulance comes to your home in a crisis, you expect them to do everything they can. but it’s also about doctors making the decisions and not EMTs in your driveway.
>> Reporter: will you get into a situation where the ambulance attendants are told to not intubate anyone?
>> yeah, that could happen. it would be naive for us to think that triage or changes in the standard of care have not already, in effect, come about.
>> Reporter:david loposki believes that any patient facing triage should have the right to an appeal to a consent and capacity board.
>> there should be an expeditious opportunity for the patient to have input and for a lightning fast appeal process if needed.
>> Reporter: mr. loposki is worried that the Ontario triage protocol will be implemented on an emergency basis without further debate.
>> with the premier of Ontario, the premier of any province, cannot suddenly claim now, we are caught — this is an emergency, we have to act quickly. they’ve known of this issue for upwards of a year, if not longer. and if they’re not ready for it, that’s because of their failure to address it properly.
>> Reporter: even the doctors who wrote the protocols say it’s not perfect, but it’s better than nothing.
>> patient is unresponsive, gcs3.
>> Reporter: the risk being that without a plan, the decision might be left to what they consider the crudest decision-making possible — that those who get to the hospital first will get the care until all of the beds are full. terence mckenna, cbc news, Toronto.
Two people staying at a Perth quarantine hotel have contracted COVID-19 while at the facility, the Western Australian Health Department has reported. The two guests, caught the virus from a room opposite them at the Mercure Hotel in Perth.
New South Wales Health is investigating whether COVID-19 has spread inside a second Sydney quarantine hotel. Three returned travellers from two families have tested positive for the same viral sequence of coronavirus first identified in South Africa. They were staying in adjacent rooms on the 10th floor at the Mercure Hotel on George Street in Sydney’s CBD.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/nsw-covid-cases-reclassified/100077176
New South Wales has again recorded locally acquired coronavirus cases, after the virus was transmitted in hotel quarantine. The state’s health department said three people in one family acquired the virus from a family of four staying in an adjacent room in the Adina Apartment Hotel Town Hall in Sydney’s CBD.
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Inevitable really. Poor country with lots of poor people living in squalid conditions, who don’t have the luxury of staying home and self-isolating.
The interesting bit will be how they managed to avoid it going to shit for so long.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Inevitable really. Poor country with lots of poor people living in squalid conditions, who don’t have the luxury of staying home and self-isolating.
The interesting bit will be how they managed to avoid it going to shit for so long.
Also note that with about 4x the population, it is only now reaching the US’s peak new cases/day, and deaths/day is well below the US peak.
So it might well get very much worse.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Inevitable really. Poor country with lots of poor people living in squalid conditions, who don’t have the luxury of staying home and self-isolating.
The interesting bit will be how they managed to avoid it going to shit for so long.
Also note that with about 4x the population, it is only now reaching the US’s peak new cases/day, and deaths/day is well below the US peak.
So it might well get very much worse.
it is worse
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:Inevitable really. Poor country with lots of poor people living in squalid conditions, who don’t have the luxury of staying home and self-isolating.
The interesting bit will be how they managed to avoid it going to shit for so long.
Also note that with about 4x the population, it is only now reaching the US’s peak new cases/day, and deaths/day is well below the US peak.
So it might well get very much worse.
it is worse
It isn’t worse than it is.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Also note that with about 4x the population, it is only now reaching the US’s peak new cases/day, and deaths/day is well below the US peak.
So it might well get very much worse.
it is worse
It isn’t worse than it is.
It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.
If you don’t measure how bad it is, then you might have a better idea of how bad it’s going ¡
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Marky Mark is planning to shut down returns from India
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Marky Mark is planning to shut down returns from India
The racist.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Inevitable really. Poor country with lots of poor people living in squalid conditions, who don’t have the luxury of staying home and self-isolating.
The interesting bit will be how they managed to avoid it going to shit for so long.
Starting to look as though the OECD will get on top via vaccines and then kind of move on, while the ROTW struggles
sibeen said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Marky Mark is planning to shut down returns from India
The racist.
Pfffft no such thing as race.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
Inevitable really. Poor country with lots of poor people living in squalid conditions, who don’t have the luxury of staying home and self-isolating.
The interesting bit will be how they managed to avoid it going to shit for so long.
Starting to look as though the OECD will get on top via vaccines and then kind of move on, while the ROTW struggles
Yeah, something like that. Plus they will likely have a higher survival rate through better equipped hospitals. I read somewhere this morning of a whole batch of Indian patients dying after the hospital’s oxygen system had a leak. The poorer countries are going to get to a stage where their health systems get overrun and then the death rates will spike.
are Singapore struggling though
Witty Rejoinder said:
India is really going to shit. I wonder if we’ll ever work out why it only got so bad in their 2nd wave.
I’m catching up, so this may have been mentioned. But isn’t there a big festival season going on at the moment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oUaO8SL_Vc
Vax me up, Scotty | Insiders
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oUaO8SL_VcVax me up, Scotty | Insiders
That’s a great Parkinson piece. I like the HHUUUUNTT appearance at the end.
:)
And that dog..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/22/western-australia-calls-for-temporary-ban-on-travellers-from-india-after-hotel-quarantine-covid-outbreak
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/22/western-australia-calls-for-temporary-ban-on-travellers-from-india-after-hotel-quarantine-covid-outbreak
But his position was rebuffed by the New South Wales premier, Gladys Berejiklian, who is also dealing with transmission in hotel quarantine. She said no single country should be targeted. “I don’t think it is fair or appropriate to distinguish one nation over others,” she said. “Things change, the rates of infections go up and down across the world. Aussies who want to come home should have the right to do that.”
LOL nice one we wonder how the CHINA travel restrictions at the start of 2020 went how was that hey
it’s pretty fucking simple really, pick a threshold risk, say 5% positive tests, above which further arrivals are rejected, there’s no single country targeting there
Hong Kong, Pakistan and New Zealand have also enacted temporary bans on travellers from India.
see, only communists, autotheocracies and other countries with zero human rights ban travel
genius
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NSW is currently investigating how three returned travellers from two families contracted the South African variant of the virus after staying at the Mercure Hotel in Sydney. Authorities believe the transmission occurred in the hotel, because the individuals were tested and cleared after arriving in Australia. NSW is warning that contacts of the three infected individuals have already travelled interstate. Another 40 returned travellers were staying on the same level of the hotel at the time.
“We have managed to contact 36 of those individuals, a number have gone into other states and territories and those states and territories have been alerted,” the NSW chief medical officer, Kerry Chant, said. She said they were “urgently escalating” efforts to contact the remaining four people. Staff potentially exposed will also have to self-isolate.
imagine if there was a way to quarantine infectious people without canning them right next to susceptible people
“National Cabinet agrees to fast-track COVID-19 vaccination for over 50s.
Australia will fast-track its COVID-19 vaccine rollout for people older than 50 next month, as National Cabinet seeks to reset the nation’s trouble vaccination program.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Thursday’s meeting of National Cabinet had agreed to bring forward the planned rollout, with people in this age bracket to receive the AstraZeneca vaccine.
He said Pfizer’s vaccine remained the preferred shot for people under 50, aged and disability care workers, frontline and quarantine workers and Australians eligible for the 1a and 1b rollout.
More to come.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-22/national-cabinet-over-50-vaccination-mass-hub-astrazeneca/100087334
National Cabinet has agreed to temporarily reduce the number of incoming flights from India by 30 per cent after a spike in the number of returned travellers testing positive to COVID-19.
Mr Morrison said while the announcement today was specifically about India, it would not be the only country the rules will apply to.
“The Chief Medical Officer, working with others and DFAT, will be seeking to put a list of high-risk countries in place,” he said.
a list you say, we think there might be a way to do this fairly and unambiguously and with the ability to respond with updates quickly oh wait yes maybe you could pick a threshold risk, say 5% positive tests, above which further arrivals are rejected, it’s been suggested by some genius
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/health/vaccine-nursing-homes-infections.html
An unvaccinated health care worker set off a Covid-19 outbreak at a nursing home in Kentucky where the vast majority of residents had been vaccinated, leading to dozens of infections, including 22 cases among residents and employees who were already fully vaccinated, a new study reported Wednesday.
Most of those who were infected with the coronavirus despite being vaccinated did not develop symptoms or require hospitalization, but one vaccinated individual, who was a resident of the nursing home, died, according to the study released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Altogether, 26 facility residents were infected, including 18 who had been vaccinated, and 20 health care personnel were infected, including four who had been vaccinated. Two unvaccinated residents also died.
In the Kentucky outbreak, the virus variant is not on the C.D.C.’s list of those considered variants of concern or interest. But, the study authors note, the variant does have several mutations of importance: D614G, which demonstrates evidence of increased transmissibility; E484K in the receptor-binding domain of the spike protein, which is also seen in B.1.351, the variant first recognized in South Africa, and P.1. of Brazil; and W152L, which might reduce effectiveness of neutralizing antibodies.
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¡ don’t worry, it wasn’t originally on the list of variants of concern, but now this USSA bioweapons laborator have made sure to select for and amplify the vaccine-resistant strains, we can bring it to an Australian close-quarters-quarantine facility near you !
but for the time being while they still work
SCIENCE said:
but for the time being while they still work
Good.
I have a question and don’t know if it’s a stupid question or not.
Can the standard Covid tests distinguish between the disease and the vaccination?
Obviously advanced tests can, but I’m not at all sure about the bulk testing currently done.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
but for the time being while they still work
Good.
I have a question and don’t know if it’s a stupid question or not.
Can the standard Covid tests distinguish between the disease and the vaccination?
Obviously advanced tests can, but I’m not at all sure about the bulk testing currently done.
Well, the test swab is from the throat area, so it detects virus in that place. The vaccination puts the dead virus/whatever depending on vaccine type directly into the body, not via the airways. So my guess is that a positive test means new virus in the airway somewhere, not something from the vax.
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
but for the time being while they still work
Good.
I have a question and don’t know if it’s a stupid question or not.
Can the standard Covid tests distinguish between the disease and the vaccination?
Obviously advanced tests can, but I’m not at all sure about the bulk testing currently done.
Well, the test swab is from the throat area, so it detects virus in that place. The vaccination puts the dead virus/whatever depending on vaccine type directly into the body, not via the airways. So my guess is that a positive test means new virus in the airway somewhere, not something from the vax.
Depends on the test, antibodies can only tell you of previous infection or vaccination, pcr will pick up active virus but not antibodies/prior exposure.
Gosh!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-22/ndis-provider-denies-services-to-clients-who-get-covid19-vaccine/100086902
Michael V said:
Gosh!
we love that the headline is about “unfounded shedding concerns” but actually there’s just a passing mention of the more concerning conspiracy theory bit
and then they’ve blanked what we must presume is the Rumble details
surprise
for those involved it might be best to take the opportunity and look for somewhere else to get the services, indefinitely
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Gosh!we love that the headline is about “unfounded shedding concerns” but actually there’s just a passing mention of the more concerning conspiracy theory bit
and then they’ve blanked what we must presume is the Rumble details
surprise
for those involved it might be best to take the opportunity and look for somewhere else to get the services, indefinitely
internet is full of it
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:Good.
I have a question and don’t know if it’s a stupid question or not.
Can the standard Covid tests distinguish between the disease and the vaccination?
Obviously advanced tests can, but I’m not at all sure about the bulk testing currently done.
Well, the test swab is from the throat area, so it detects virus in that place. The vaccination puts the dead virus/whatever depending on vaccine type directly into the body, not via the airways. So my guess is that a positive test means new virus in the airway somewhere, not something from the vax.
Depends on the test, antibodies can only tell you of previous infection or vaccination, pcr will pick up active virus but not antibodies/prior exposure.
Yeah my question was about the PCR standard test in Australia. I didn’t know if it could tell the difference between DNA/RNA in the adenovirus vaccine and the ssRNA in the virus. The adenovirus would migrate throughout the body I would think, including the throat area.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Gosh!we love that the headline is about “unfounded shedding concerns” but actually there’s just a passing mention of the more concerning conspiracy theory bit
and then they’ve blanked what we must presume is the Rumble details
surprise
for those involved it might be best to take the opportunity and look for somewhere else to get the services, indefinitely
I read a book by one of those “best and most revered scientists”, written only a year and a half before Covid first struck. It’s a real concern. He predicted that a mutant flu virus (remember that this is before covid) would outwit vaccines to kill 260 million people.worldwide. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a real possibility. It’s why we need to keep developing new covid vaccines faster than the virus mutates.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Gosh!we love that the headline is about “unfounded shedding concerns” but actually there’s just a passing mention of the more concerning conspiracy theory bit
and then they’ve blanked what we must presume is the Rumble details
surprise
for those involved it might be best to take the opportunity and look for somewhere else to get the services, indefinitely
I read a book by one of those “best and most revered scientists”, written only a year and a half before Covid first struck. It’s a real concern. He predicted that a mutant flu virus (remember that this is before covid) would outwit vaccines to kill 260 million people.worldwide. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a real possibility. It’s why we need to keep developing new covid vaccines faster than the virus mutates.
vaccine escape variants doesn’t seem to be what the provider is referring to but sure, imagine getting 3 shots a year just to “Live With COVID”-19, that’ll be just the ticket
(we hear the one that works does actually knock people around quite a bit, we mean have you seen OCDC back since the second shot for example)
also what’s the risk of dying from huntsman spider, we quite happily Live With Huntsmen in our abode but plenty of people go all murderous on something with 0 risk, plenty will refuse to Live With Huntsmen so they can STFU if they can’t handle living without COVID-19 thanks
mollwollfumble said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:Well, the test swab is from the throat area, so it detects virus in that place. The vaccination puts the dead virus/whatever depending on vaccine type directly into the body, not via the airways. So my guess is that a positive test means new virus in the airway somewhere, not something from the vax.
Depends on the test, antibodies can only tell you of previous infection or vaccination, pcr will pick up active virus but not antibodies/prior exposure.
Yeah my question was about the PCR standard test in Australia. I didn’t know if it could tell the difference between DNA/RNA in the adenovirus vaccine and the ssRNA in the virus. The adenovirus would migrate throughout the body I would think, including the throat area.
It can pick out the difference, adenovirus isnt coronavirus.
I’m faffing around at Cochrane. This is interesting:
https://www.cochrane.org/news/covid-19-and-its-cardiovascular-effects-systematic-review-prevalence-studies
“COVID-19 and its cardiovascular effects: a systematic review of prevalence studies”
It’s escaaped again.
This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
Michael V said:
It’s escaaped again.This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
I was on QF778, except 11 days earlier – phew.
Michael V said:
It’s escaaped again.This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
This thing aint going away.
they’ve pulled some interesting data out of the AZ trials.
Of those who got the vaccine 4 people developed blood clots however 8 people who got the placebo got blood clots. What this tells us is that people get blood clots.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
It’s escaaped again.This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
I was on QF778, except 11 days earlier – phew.
I’ll be in the shit if I have to quarantine upon return.
“ and as a result of our friends in Western Australia”
naaaww. we are friends with Victoria.
‘Long hauler’ study shows COVID can kill months after infection
By Jason Gale
Updated April 23, 2021 — 11.48am
One of the largest studies of COVID-19 “long haulers” has proved what many doctors suspected: Not only are many patients suffering a raft of health problems six months after infection, they’re also at significantly greater risk of dying.
Survivors had a 59 per cent increased risk of dying within six months after contracting the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers reported on Thursday in the journal Nature.
The excess mortality translates into about 8 extra deaths per 1000 patients – worsening the pandemic’s hidden toll amid growing recognition that many patients require readmission, and some die, weeks after the viral infection abates.
Read More:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/long-hauler-study-shows-covid-can-kill-months-after-infection-20210423-p57lsu.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
‘Long hauler’ study shows COVID can kill months after infectionBy Jason Gale
Updated April 23, 2021 — 11.48amOne of the largest studies of COVID-19 “long haulers” has proved what many doctors suspected: Not only are many patients suffering a raft of health problems six months after infection, they’re also at significantly greater risk of dying.
Survivors had a 59 per cent increased risk of dying within six months after contracting the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers reported on Thursday in the journal Nature.
The excess mortality translates into about 8 extra deaths per 1000 patients – worsening the pandemic’s hidden toll amid growing recognition that many patients require readmission, and some die, weeks after the viral infection abates.
Read More:
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/long-hauler-study-shows-covid-can-kill-months-after-infection-20210423-p57lsu.html
I read somewhere the other day that a quarter of all Long Covid cases in the UK are NHS staff who caught the virus on the job.
Witty Rejoinder said:
‘Long hauler’ study shows COVID can kill months after infectionBy Jason Gale
Updated April 23, 2021 — 11.48amOne of the largest studies of COVID-19 “long haulers” has proved what many doctors suspected: Not only are many patients suffering a raft of health problems six months after infection, they’re also at significantly greater risk of dying.
Survivors had a 59 per cent increased risk of dying within six months after contracting the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers reported on Thursday in the journal Nature.
The excess mortality translates into about 8 extra deaths per 1000 patients – worsening the pandemic’s hidden toll amid growing recognition that many patients require readmission, and some die, weeks after the viral infection abates.
Read More:
nah they just died with COVID they didn’t die of it
Peak Warming Man said:
they’ve pulled some interesting data out of the AZ trials.
Of those who got the vaccine 4 people developed blood clots however 8 people who got the placebo got blood clots. What this tells us is that people get blood clots.
so they all got COVID-19 which caused clots makes sense
Michael V said:
It’s escaaped again.This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
imagine if there was a way to quarantine infectious people without canning them right next to susceptible people
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:It’s escaaped again.This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
imagine if there was a way to quarantine infectious people without canning them right next to susceptible people
Imagine a virus that causes breathing problems, being transmitted by people … breathing air ¡¡¡
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
It’s escaaped again.This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
I was on QF778, except 11 days earlier – phew.
Bugger.
SCIENCE said:
Imagine a virus that causes breathing problems, being transmitted by people … breathing air ¡¡¡
god that page was busy with things that might watch what a reader was doing on the web, that can be blocked, counted over a hundred before I got half way down
transition said:
SCIENCE said:Imagine a virus that causes breathing problems, being transmitted by people … breathing air ¡¡¡god that page was busy with things that might watch what a reader was doing on the web, that can be blocked, counted over a hundred before I got half way down
AT LEast IT’s NOt MUrdoch
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
It’s escaaped again.This time, out of a Perth quarantine hotel, into (unfortunately) Victoria.
“All passengers on QANTAS flight QF778 are being considered close contacts and will need to isolate for 14 days.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/passenger-returning-from-perth-tests-positive-for-covid/100090166
I was on QF778, except 11 days earlier – phew.
Bugger.
wait, are you saying you are upset shebs wasn’t on the infected flight?
That looks like a queue in a busy supermarket. They may not usually be particularly busy on Friday afternoons, we don’t know. Perhaps they’re implying that the image shows orderly anticipatory stocking up which is a preferred alternative to panic buying. Being prepared is probably a good thing.
Nice round number in binary
dv said:
Nice round number in binary
Maybe the hotels are designed in repeating square patterns and this is the number of beds they have.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Nice round number in binary
Maybe the hotels are designed in repeating square patterns and this is the number of beds they have.
The guardian angel which corresponds to the 512 angel number is called Haiaiel. It symbolizes appeasement and daring. Through the 512 angel number, your angel tells you to open up to the world. Changes or moves will be beneficial to your progress, regardless of the area that raises questions. – https://angelnumber.org/512-angel-number/
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Nice round number in binary
Maybe the hotels are designed in repeating square patterns and this is the number of beds they have.
The guardian angel which corresponds to the 512 angel number is called Haiaiel. It symbolizes appeasement and daring. Through the 512 angel number, your angel tells you to open up to the world. Changes or moves will be beneficial to your progress, regardless of the area that raises questions. – https://angelnumber.org/512-angel-number/
As we used to say in the old forum… the words are clearly English but are devoid of meaning when arranged in that order :)
dv said:
Nice round number in binary
what about the other genders?
Governments gotta gov but damn people are going to be pissed off here in WA
dv said:
Governments gotta gov but damn people are going to be pissed off here in WA
Oh, they’ll be happy enough: it’ll just give them another thing to squawk about as to why WA should secede.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:captain_spalding said:party_pants said:dv said:Nice round number in binary
Maybe the hotels are designed in repeating square patterns and this is the number of beds they have.
The guardian angel which corresponds to the 512 angel number is called Haiaiel. It symbolizes appeasement and daring. Through the 512 angel number, your angel tells you to open up to the world. Changes or moves will be beneficial to your progress, regardless of the area that raises questions. – https://angelnumber.org/512-angel-number/
As we used to say in the old forum… the words are clearly English but are devoid of meaning when arranged in that order :)
what about the other genders?
We Blame The New Math
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:So, 3 day lockdown for Perth and Peel regions. Masks compulsory etc…:(
This puts a dent in peoples long weekend.
Question: why is it that these outbreaks seem to keep being released just before special events like public holidays, Easter, ANZACD, ASF¿
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:party_pants said:So, 3 day lockdown for Perth and Peel regions. Masks compulsory etc…:(
This puts a dent in peoples long weekend.
Question: why is it that these outbreaks seem to keep being released just before special events like public holidays, Easter, ANZACD, ASF¿
Old Testament God is grumpy.
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:party_pants said:So, 3 day lockdown for Perth and Peel regions. Masks compulsory etc…:(
This puts a dent in peoples long weekend.
Question: why is it that these outbreaks seem to keep being released just before special events like public holidays, Easter, ANZACD, ASF¿
BigKilljoys.
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:This puts a dent in peoples long weekend.
Question: why is it that these outbreaks seem to keep being released just before special events like public holidays, Easter, ANZACD, ASF¿
BigKilljoys.
Serious question: will Mark compensate hardworking WA battlers with a new long weekend in lieu of this wrecked one ¿
At least we get a public holiday in WA. According to the ABC’s quiz, half the country don’t.
I wont be clicking on ant WA posts for a while, you can’t be too careful with this virus.
Peak Warming Man said:
I wont be clicking on ant WA posts for a while, you can’t be too careful with this virus.
sound like glowie. she didn’t like ants either, no matter where they were from.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wont be clicking on ant WA posts for a while, you can’t be too careful with this virus.
sound like glowie. she didn’t like ants either, no matter where they were from.
Hahaha thought you’d trick me into clicking on your post.
It doesn’t start till midnight.
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wont be clicking on ant WA posts for a while, you can’t be too careful with this virus.
sound like glowie. she didn’t like ants either, no matter where they were from.
Hahaha thought you’d trick me into clicking on your post.
It doesn’t start till midnight.
Boris is not the exclusion zone. He is safe.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I wont be clicking on ant WA posts for a while, you can’t be too careful with this virus.
sound like glowie. she didn’t like ants either, no matter where they were from.
don’t worry we have an A-something-else topic to freshen up
The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has confirmed three new instances of blood clots in Australia linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine, including the first case in someone over the age of 50. There have now been six cases of blood clots, or thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS), linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine in Australia, from 1.1 million doses. The three new cases are a 35-year-old woman from New South Wales, a 49-year-old Queensland man and an 80-year-old Victorian man, who is the first case over 50 years of age.
“Whilst meeting the international and UK criteria, two of the three cases appear to be milder forms of the syndrome that were recognised very early by the treating health professionals and are responding well to treatment, and in one of the cases platelet counts were depressed to a limited extent and the patient developed symptoms unusually late (26 days after vaccination).”
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ah typical Australian softness, can’t handle a bit of clot, can’t sweep it under the carpet or suppress reporting
Endless trail of traffic from Perth to the southwest!
People are going to get their long weekend away, no matter what!
A friend’s post.
Peak Warming Man said:
I wont be clicking on ant WA posts for a while, you can’t be too careful with this virus.
That is going to make your forum reading somewhat disjointed…
ChrispenEvan said:
Endless trail of traffic from Perth to the southwest!
People are going to get their long weekend away, no matter what!A friend’s post.
That’ll be right. Why didn’t I think of it?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-23/victoria-declares-perth-wa-covid-red-zone/100090166
Bloody diseased mongrels.
(April 15, 20219:35 PM AEST) Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said on Thursday the government would do “everything possible” to prevent the spread of coronavirus ahead of the Olympics, after a ruling party official said cancelling the event remained an option.
Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga declared a new state of emergency running from Sunday to May 11 in Tokyo, Osaka and two other prefectures, imposing some of the toughest measures yet to control a surge in virus cases.
Suga told reporters Friday night the country needs to take strong actions as it heads into a string of holidays in late April and early May, known as “Golden Week,” a peak travel season. He also said the government will earmark 500 billion yen ($4.6 billion) to help businesses hurt by the restrictions. “If we don’t act, there is a concern that the virus surge we are seeing in big cities could spread nationwide,” he said. The measures will be short-term and focused, he said, adding he’s not thinking of another supplemental budget.
The government is instructing bars and restaurants to stop serving alcohol, and seeking to ban fans from major sporting events. Establishments with karaoke equipment and commercial facilities with floor space of more than 1,000 square meters (10,764 square feet) will be asked to close during the state of emergency. The declaration will cover Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto and Hyogo, which together make up about a quarter of the country’s population. Japan is trying to end a worrying rise in Covid-19 cases that comes three months before Tokyo hosts the Summer Olympics. Its vaccination program has reached less than 2% of the country’s 126 million people — well behind the rates in many advanced economies.
Bars and restaurants in several major urban areas are already closed by 8 p.m. under existing lighter restrictions. But that has not been enough to stem infections, which have hit daily records this month in Osaka and climbed in Tokyo to levels not seen since January, when the capital was under its second state of emergency.
“We’ve reached the limit of virus measures based on people voluntarily changing their behavior,” Toshio Nakagawa, head of the Japan Medical Association physicians’ lobby, told reporters Thursday. But civil liberties enshrined in the Japanese Constitution prevent imposing lockdowns backed by police actions, which means the government is putting the onus on the likes of bars, bowling alleys and baseball leagues to try to keep people from gathering.
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now call us unimaginative or whatever you like but that certainly sounds like everything possible to us
Bizarre, and now they’re worrying about
A new state of emergency in Japan could trigger a double-dip recession if the tougher restrictions fail to curb infections or if they are prolonged, according to economists.
We thought the whole idea was to ReOpen Everything Let It Rip And Sacrifice Lives For The Economy Must Grow, how come suddenly failing to curb infections might make things worse¿ Just lift them prematurely again, there’ll be a J-shaped recovery we’re sure¡
(Despite citizens from police states like Australia watching the lack of pandemic control in the USSA with horror,) There have been fewer influenza cases in the United States this flu season than in any on record. About 2,000 cases have been recorded since late September, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In recent years, the average number of cases over the same period was about 206,000.
(Oh wait, it says there were measures.) As measures to stop the spread of the coronavirus were implemented around the country in March 2020, influenza quickly disappeared, and it still has not returned. The latest flu season, which normally would have run until next month, essentially never happened.
Scientists do not yet know which public health measures were most effective in eradicating the flu this season, but if behaviors like mask-wearing and frequent hand-washing continue after the coronavirus pandemic is over, they could help to keep influenza at bay in the United States. Much also depends on the latest flu vaccines, their effectiveness and the public’s willingness to get them. The recent drop in cases, however, has made it difficult for scientists to decide which flu strains to protect against in those vaccines. It’s harder to predict which strains will be circulating later, they say, when so few are circulating now.(We thought this might happen — when there’s no ‘flu’, then which strains do you choose to immunise against? What a terrible problem to have to solve.)
(Oh Look They Lied About Testing Again, Obviously If You Test More You Get More Cases) And the decline has not been because of a lack of testing. Since late September, 1.3 million specimens have been tested for influenza, more than the average of about one million in the same period in recent years.
(Serious bit now, then they lay on the bullshit hypotheses thick.)
The public’s history of exposure to influenza, scientists say, may partially explain why the flu virtually disappeared while the coronavirus continued to spread after safety measures were implemented. “For something like Covid, where you have a fully susceptible population at the start of a pandemic, it takes a lot more work to slow the spread of the infection,” said Rachel Baker, an epidemiologist at Princeton University. In other words — unlike with the coronavirus — the population has some natural immunity to the flu, from years of being exposed to various strains of the virus. People are susceptible to new strains of the flu each year, but less so than they are to wholly unfamiliar viruses. The mere presence of the coronavirus may have also played a role in suppressing flu cases, said Dr. Webby, because there is often just one dominant respiratory virus in a population at a given time. “One tends to keep the other out,” he said. And influenza was not the only virus that disappeared over the last year; there were also substantial drops in other respiratory illnesses, including the respiratory syncytial virus, or R.S.V., which is the most common cause of pneumonia in infants.
(We suggest that maybe the simpler hypotheses are the better ones, especially the ones they simply fail to mention: that different viruses have intrinsically different transmissibility¡)
(Obviously to bait readers, leave the actual likely outcomes, which are good and not scary, late in the article.) There is also a potential upside to the absence of influenza: Fewer cases usually lead to fewer mutations. “Right now, because influenza isn’t circulating as much, it’s possible the virus has not had as much opportunity to evolve,” said Dr. Baker, “meaning our vaccines could be more effective than normal.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01059-y copied at https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/indias-massive-covid-surge-puzzles-scientists/?print=true
*: probably Political Scientists and similar, like Economists used to chaotic systems, who don’t appreciate natural sciences well
**: probably Natural Scientists, who lack social skills and fail to realise just how bad the first lot of “Scientists” are
The virus is spreading faster than ever before in the country despite previous high infection rates in megacities, which should have conferred some protection
Just months earlier, antibody data had suggested that many people in cities such as Delhi and Chennai had already been infected, leading some researchers to conclude that the worst of the pandemic was over in the country.
Hint: if reality doesn’t match prediction, if data doesn’t match hypothesis, maybe abandon hypothesis¿¡
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03553-9_reference.pdf#page=8
Documents released by the state government on Thursday revealed ventilation within the 1970s hotel had been identified on April 8 as the riskiest among WA’s 10 quarantine hotels. An engineer who inspected the facility found the corridors had no independent airflow, with oxygen supply leaking from the adjoining rooms. “Given the degree of positive pressure, leakage likely between rooms and corridor,” a table summary read. The hotel was one of three deemed high risk along with the Four Points Sheraton Hotel – where a security guard became infected in January – and the Novotel Langley.
A week later, on April 14, chief health officer Andy Robertson wrote to the state government proposing the Mercure Hotel Perth be closed to returning travellers with another hotel, due to come online in early May, to replace it. “The Mercure Hotel is probably the most difficult to mitigate, given positive pressure rooms, opening windows and the age of the facility,” he said.
(And… wait for it… LOL…) The Mercure will now become a facility to quarantine seasonal workers from low-risk countries.
Australian Medical Association WA president Andrew Miller said the case showed hotel quarantine was not adequate to prevent airborne transmission. “This is the opposite of quarantine, this is making somebody sick … it’s unacceptable … has been negligent,” he said. “They should be compensating these people not only for their potential physical problems from having caught COVID, but also for the mental anguish that goes along with that. “They are also putting everybody else who they put into these substandard quarantine facilities in a position of mental anguish because you can imagine being locked in a room and not knowing whether you are being infected by the rooms around you.”
Dr Miller has joined growing calls for Perth’s hotel quarantine to be shifted to open-air facilities such as the Howard Springs Facility in Darwin, which offers mining camp-style accommodation with small decks. “We’ve had 14 different quarantine breaches in the past six months, two in Perth, one in Adelaide, two in Melbourne, six in Sydney and three in Brisbane,” he said. “This is our frontline of defence, probably as important as the vaccination. “The federal government invested billions in the vaccination program and so we shouldn’t be penny pinching in terms of quarantine,” he said.
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imagine if there was a way to quarantine infectious people without canning them right next to susceptible people
SCIENCE said:
WA chief health officer recommended Mercure Hotel close before mother and child infected
Documents released by the state government on Thursday revealed ventilation within the 1970s hotel had been identified on April 8 as the riskiest among WA’s 10 quarantine hotels. An engineer who inspected the facility found the corridors had no independent airflow, with oxygen supply leaking from the adjoining rooms. “Given the degree of positive pressure, leakage likely between rooms and corridor,” a table summary read. The hotel was one of three deemed high risk along with the Four Points Sheraton Hotel – where a security guard became infected in January – and the Novotel Langley.
A week later, on April 14, chief health officer Andy Robertson wrote to the state government proposing the Mercure Hotel Perth be closed to returning travellers with another hotel, due to come online in early May, to replace it. “The Mercure Hotel is probably the most difficult to mitigate, given positive pressure rooms, opening windows and the age of the facility,” he said.
(And… wait for it… LOL…) The Mercure will now become a facility to quarantine seasonal workers from low-risk countries.
Australian Medical Association WA president Andrew Miller said the case showed hotel quarantine was not adequate to prevent airborne transmission. “This is the opposite of quarantine, this is making somebody sick … it’s unacceptable … has been negligent,” he said. “They should be compensating these people not only for their potential physical problems from having caught COVID, but also for the mental anguish that goes along with that. “They are also putting everybody else who they put into these substandard quarantine facilities in a position of mental anguish because you can imagine being locked in a room and not knowing whether you are being infected by the rooms around you.”
Dr Miller has joined growing calls for Perth’s hotel quarantine to be shifted to open-air facilities such as the Howard Springs Facility in Darwin, which offers mining camp-style accommodation with small decks. “We’ve had 14 different quarantine breaches in the past six months, two in Perth, one in Adelaide, two in Melbourne, six in Sydney and three in Brisbane,” he said. “This is our frontline of defence, probably as important as the vaccination. “The federal government invested billions in the vaccination program and so we shouldn’t be penny pinching in terms of quarantine,” he said.
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imagine if there was a way to quarantine infectious people without canning them right next to susceptible people
Yes, just imagine.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:imagine if there was a way to quarantine infectious people without canning them right next to susceptible people
Yes, just imagine.
What would be the business/profit impacts of that strategy?
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:imagine if there was a way to quarantine infectious people without canning them right next to susceptible people
Yes, just imagine.
What would be the business/profit impacts of that strategy?
Your airport owner offered to build a facility. He obviously thought a bob could be made.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Michael V said:Yes, just imagine.
What would be the business/profit impacts of that strategy?
Your airport owner offered to build a facility. He obviously thought a bob could be made.
we suspect he means “but what’s in it for the Corruption Coalition federal government” and yeah we’re not sure but we know it hasn’t happened yet…
from Your ABC there
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well, we hope what this might reflect is that
that’s all that’s at the immediate front of our minds for now but if you all think of any more please do add
SCIENCE said:
from Your ABC there
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well, we hope what this might reflect is that
- people are familiar with the process and although inconvenient they’re more certain of the ramifications so less fearful of unexpected ones
- they know it’s helped us live without COVID-19 a life close to normal (less the generously estimated 20% travel component of The Economy Must Grow) and can see the alternative overseas so are more happy to go ahead with something that lets us live our normal lives
- they know that the earlier it happens with less fluffing around, the more lives it saves and the faster it clears up
- they know it never lasts forever and see immediate point above so it’s certainly more palatable than what we’ve seen worldwide which is now uncertainty over how long the infection danger will be
that’s all that’s at the immediate front of our minds for now but if you all think of any more please do add
Better the devil you know …
SCIENCE said:
from Your ABC there
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well, we hope what this might reflect is that
- people are familiar with the process and although inconvenient they’re more certain of the ramifications so less fearful of unexpected ones
- they know it’s helped us live without COVID-19 a life close to normal (less the generously estimated 20% travel component of The Economy Must Grow) and can see the alternative overseas so are more happy to go ahead with something that lets us live our normal lives
- they know that the earlier it happens with less fluffing around, the more lives it saves and the faster it clears up
- they know it never lasts forever and see immediate point above so it’s certainly more palatable than what we’ve seen worldwide which is now uncertainty over how long the infection danger will be
that’s all that’s at the immediate front of our minds for now but if you all think of any more please do add
But many still panic-buy toilet paper etc. The grocers are open and permitted to trade, and one is permitted to go there to shop for essentials. So why on earth does this panic-buying occur?
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
from Your ABC there
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well, we hope what this might reflect is that
- people are familiar with the process and although inconvenient they’re more certain of the ramifications so less fearful of unexpected ones
- they know it’s helped us live without COVID-19 a life close to normal (less the generously estimated 20% travel component of The Economy Must Grow) and can see the alternative overseas so are more happy to go ahead with something that lets us live our normal lives
- they know that the earlier it happens with less fluffing around, the more lives it saves and the faster it clears up
- they know it never lasts forever and see immediate point above so it’s certainly more palatable than what we’ve seen worldwide which is now uncertainty over how long the infection danger will be
that’s all that’s at the immediate front of our minds for now but if you all think of any more please do add
But many still panic-buy toilet paper etc. The grocers are open and permitted to trade, and one is permitted to go there to shop for essentials. So why on earth does this panic-buying occur?
Because shops use a just in time inventory system, very little on site storage out the back, most of the stock is on the customer shelves. Lockdowns create a shift in demand in the types of food and beverages being bought. With pubs and restaurants closing there is additional demand for home cooked meals. It doesn’t take much extra demand for certain items to sell out in shops, it is not people filling trolleys with stuff, it is everyone grabbing just one or two extra.
I was talking to the guy at the bottleshop recently, they were having a sale on cask wine that was just about to hit expiry date. He said it was the first lockdwon had created a huge spike in demand for cask wines, so they ordered extra, and then the lockdown was lifted and consumer patterns went back to normal. One example of changed consumer habits.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
from Your ABC there
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well, we hope what this might reflect is that
- people are familiar with the process and although inconvenient they’re more certain of the ramifications so less fearful of unexpected ones
- they know it’s helped us live without COVID-19 a life close to normal (less the generously estimated 20% travel component of The Economy Must Grow) and can see the alternative overseas so are more happy to go ahead with something that lets us live our normal lives
- they know that the earlier it happens with less fluffing around, the more lives it saves and the faster it clears up
- they know it never lasts forever and see immediate point above so it’s certainly more palatable than what we’ve seen worldwide which is now uncertainty over how long the infection danger will be
that’s all that’s at the immediate front of our minds for now but if you all think of any more please do add
But many still panic-buy toilet paper etc. The grocers are open and permitted to trade, and one is permitted to go there to shop for essentials. So why on earth does this panic-buying occur?
Because shops use a just in time inventory system, very little on site storage out the back, most of the stock is on the customer shelves. Lockdowns create a shift in demand in the types of food and beverages being bought. With pubs and restaurants closing there is additional demand for home cooked meals. It doesn’t take much extra demand for certain items to sell out in shops, it is not people filling trolleys with stuff, it is everyone grabbing just one or two extra.
I was talking to the guy at the bottleshop recently, they were having a sale on cask wine that was just about to hit expiry date. He said it was the first lockdwon had created a huge spike in demand for cask wines, so they ordered extra, and then the lockdown was lifted and consumer patterns went back to normal. One example of changed consumer habits.
Yet, panic-buying occurred yesterday. I can understand one pack of toilet paper – one might not have a spare couple of rolls, but three packs for a three-day stay-at-home order? (Shown on TV last night.)
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:But many still panic-buy toilet paper etc. The grocers are open and permitted to trade, and one is permitted to go there to shop for essentials. So why on earth does this panic-buying occur?
Because shops use a just in time inventory system, very little on site storage out the back, most of the stock is on the customer shelves. Lockdowns create a shift in demand in the types of food and beverages being bought. With pubs and restaurants closing there is additional demand for home cooked meals. It doesn’t take much extra demand for certain items to sell out in shops, it is not people filling trolleys with stuff, it is everyone grabbing just one or two extra.
I was talking to the guy at the bottleshop recently, they were having a sale on cask wine that was just about to hit expiry date. He said it was the first lockdwon had created a huge spike in demand for cask wines, so they ordered extra, and then the lockdown was lifted and consumer patterns went back to normal. One example of changed consumer habits.
Yet, panic-buying occurred yesterday. I can understand one pack of toilet paper – one might not have a spare couple of rolls, but three packs for a three-day stay-at-home order? (Shown on TV last night.)
Presumably some people panic-buy because they think lots of other people will be panic-buying, thereby causing shortages.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:Because shops use a just in time inventory system, very little on site storage out the back, most of the stock is on the customer shelves. Lockdowns create a shift in demand in the types of food and beverages being bought. With pubs and restaurants closing there is additional demand for home cooked meals. It doesn’t take much extra demand for certain items to sell out in shops, it is not people filling trolleys with stuff, it is everyone grabbing just one or two extra.
I was talking to the guy at the bottleshop recently, they were having a sale on cask wine that was just about to hit expiry date. He said it was the first lockdwon had created a huge spike in demand for cask wines, so they ordered extra, and then the lockdown was lifted and consumer patterns went back to normal. One example of changed consumer habits.
Yet, panic-buying occurred yesterday. I can understand one pack of toilet paper – one might not have a spare couple of rolls, but three packs for a three-day stay-at-home order? (Shown on TV last night.)
Presumably some people panic-buy because they think lots of other people will be panic-buying, thereby causing shortages.
During the big toilet paper famine last year, I initially said “I’m not going to be like those fools, I’ll just buy my normal sensible amounts.”
Result: the panic-buyers soon had shitloads of toilet paper, I soon had none.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:But many still panic-buy toilet paper etc. The grocers are open and permitted to trade, and one is permitted to go there to shop for essentials. So why on earth does this panic-buying occur?
Because shops use a just in time inventory system, very little on site storage out the back, most of the stock is on the customer shelves. Lockdowns create a shift in demand in the types of food and beverages being bought. With pubs and restaurants closing there is additional demand for home cooked meals. It doesn’t take much extra demand for certain items to sell out in shops, it is not people filling trolleys with stuff, it is everyone grabbing just one or two extra.
I was talking to the guy at the bottleshop recently, they were having a sale on cask wine that was just about to hit expiry date. He said it was the first lockdwon had created a huge spike in demand for cask wines, so they ordered extra, and then the lockdown was lifted and consumer patterns went back to normal. One example of changed consumer habits.
Yet, panic-buying occurred yesterday. I can understand one pack of toilet paper – one might not have a spare couple of rolls, but three packs for a three-day stay-at-home order? (Shown on TV last night.)
Ah well. Bang goes that theory then. I guess some people are really just fucking selfish.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:Yet, panic-buying occurred yesterday. I can understand one pack of toilet paper – one might not have a spare couple of rolls, but three packs for a three-day stay-at-home order? (Shown on TV last night.)
Presumably some people panic-buy because they think lots of other people will be panic-buying, thereby causing shortages.
During the big toilet paper famine last year, I initially said “I’m not going to be like those fools, I’ll just buy my normal sensible amounts.”
Result: the panic-buyers soon had shitloads of toilet paper, I soon had none.
Did anyone catch you with 100 rolls in a wheelbarrow on the way home?
party_pants said:
I was talking to the guy at the bottleshop recently, they were having a sale on cask wine that was just about to hit expiry date. He said it was the first lockdwon had created a huge spike in demand for cask wines, so they ordered extra, and then the lockdown was lifted and consumer patterns went back to normal. One example of changed consumer habits.
More likely that Accolade hit the panic button when the NT brought in the minimum drink pricing laws and dumped all their Berri stock into the market.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Presumably some people panic-buy because they think lots of other people will be panic-buying, thereby causing shortages.
During the big toilet paper famine last year, I initially said “I’m not going to be like those fools, I’ll just buy my normal sensible amounts.”
Result: the panic-buyers soon had shitloads of toilet paper, I soon had none.
Did anyone catch you with 100 rolls in a wheelbarrow on the way home?
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:During the big toilet paper famine last year, I initially said “I’m not going to be like those fools, I’ll just buy my normal sensible amounts.”
Result: the panic-buyers soon had shitloads of toilet paper, I soon had none.
Did anyone catch you with 100 rolls in a wheelbarrow on the way home?
I bought a 32 roll pack before Covid. It lasted me for a year. 10 months later when all the panic was over I bought a 24 pack. Should be right for at least 6 more months.
I’m a bit like that too. I normally buy a bulk pack about twice a year. I happened to have bought one just a couple weeks before the lockdown last year, so I didn’t need to buy any during the panic. When I did need to buy the second one for the year the shops were all back up to full stocks.
SCIENCE said:
Complete clean?
So it removes viruses and bacteria as well as Covid19?
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Complete clean?
So it removes viruses and bacteria as well as Covid19?
To be fair are you all sure it’s not a mischaracterisation of economic activity as panic buying ¿
Like, if you were going camping or boating you might stock up the vessel with necessities and conveniences.
Suddenly the government tells everyone to go on a camp or boat ride for a week say.
Why should they not go and stock up for the week, even if there are assurances they can get out and buy more if necessary, maybe they want to get shit sorted now and save the trouble of going out during a lockdown later.
Like, we’d argue it’s quite rational behaviour without panic, indeed, possibly even nett social beneficial behaviour to prepare selves to bunker down as instructed.
Note of course we do not apply this analysis to the scalpers who cleared the shelves and tried to resell, that’s just capitalism at its fucked up finest.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
A malaria vaccine shows promising results in clinical trials
If successful, it could prevent thousands of childhood deaths in AfricaScience & technology
Apr 23rd 2021RESEARCHERS HAVE tried to develop an effective malaria vaccine for decades. But this has proved tricky. One of the main challenges is the very nature of the disease. Plasmodium species, the parasites that cause malaria, are extremely good at evading the body’s immune-system response. The World Health Organisation (WHO) estimates that more than 400,000 people a year die after becoming infected with them. Most are children in Africa. But results from a clinical trial of a new vaccine suggest that, if it can be got to those who need it, this could change.
On April 23rd a group led by Halidou Tinto, a professor of parasitology who is the regional director of the Research Institute of Health Sciences in Nanoro, Burkina Faso, announced that their candidate vaccine, developed at Oxford University and called R21/Matrix-M (MM), was 77% effective in preventing malaria over the course of a year. This result is both impressive and unprecedented. It is the first time such a vaccine has met the 75% efficacy threshold set by the WHO.
The phase-2 trial, designed to determine whether the vaccine provoked an immune response that would fight off an infectious agent, recruited 450 children in Burkina Faso, aged 5-17 months. Participants were divided into three groups. Members of two of these were given low and high doses of R21/MM respectively. Members of the third, who served as controls, received rabies shots instead. Among those given the lower dose, efficacy was 74%, slightly lower than for those who had the higher dose. None of the participants reported any serious effects as a result of vaccination. A larger, phase-3, trial is planned to begin in the coming weeks.
Dozens of malaria vaccines have undergone clinical trials in recent years, but none has shown efficacy rates high enough to enter the market. Even RTS,S/AS01, developed by GlaxoSmithKline, a British pharmaceutical firm, and the most effective candidate to date, offered only 55.8% protection when tested in a phase-3 trial. But this jab also sometimes caused serious complications including meningitis. R21/MM is an improved version of RTS,S/AS01. Both employ the same antigen (a molecule called circumsporozoite, found on the parasite’s surface, which the vaccine trains the immune system to recognise and attack), but in R21/MM it is packaged chemically in a way that makes it more effective.
Not only is R21/MM more protective and safer than RTS,S/AS01, it is also cheaper. According to Adrian Hill, director of Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, where the vaccine was developed, and a co-author of the paper in which the findings were published, it would only cost a few dollars per dose. The Serum Institute of India, one of the world’s largest producers of vaccines, has agreed to deliver at least 200m doses a year once it is granted approval. The Oxford researchers are also looking to add other components to bring the new vaccine’s efficacy closer to 100%, though even then a booster shot is likely to be needed a year after the initial jab, so that the immune system remains well prepared.
If and when R21/MM is approved for use, there will still be hurdles to leap before it can be deployed. Many African countries still have poor medical infrastructure. Dr Hill says it may be challenging for some to add yet another vaccine to the ten or so that many African children already receive. “A malaria vaccine is going to be one of the most important vaccines to roll out,” he says. “It will need some investment to buy and distribute them.” An effective vaccine may be on the way, but ensuring that it reaches those who need it the most will not be easy.
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/04/23/a-malaria-vaccine-shows-promising-results-in-clinical-trials?
The trouble is as sure as there’s shit in a cat a very very small proportion of the people vaccinated will develop blood clots, the media will go berserk and as a result the people will become scared and concerned and stop getting the vaccine.
Apparently Oxford Do Quite Well Out Of This So It Must All Be AstraZeneca’s Fault
