Spocky & I aren’t too impressed with the AstraZenica vaccine, but it looks like it’s going to be the only one available here for some time unfortunately. If we were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine, how soon afterwards could be get another vaccine, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines?
Spiny Norman said:
Spocky & I aren’t too impressed with the AstraZenica vaccine, but it looks like it’s going to be the only one available here for some time unfortunately. If we were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine, how soon afterwards could be get another vaccine, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines?
When the average number of covid deaths per day in Australia exceeds ten.
The vaccines are independent.
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
sibeen said:
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
Because it’s not very good.
AZ vaccine – I’m quite happy to be vaccinated ASAP after 1 May. (I got my fluvax yesterday.) The risks are very, very low and the benefits are tremendous.
oh come on surely 10% good is worth a 1 in 1000000 chance of dying rather than waiting for 70% good in exchange for 0, seriously the privilege of some people
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
Because it’s not very good.
It may have a lower efficacy than some of the other vaccines but it has so far displayed an ability to completely protect against severe disease and death from the rona.
Michael V said:
AZ vaccine – I’m quite happy to be vaccinated ASAP after 1 May. (I got my fluvax yesterday.) The risks are very, very low and the benefits are tremendous.
Yeah I know the risks are low – they don’t worry me at all – it’s just that it’s not very effective and less so with the newer mutations of the virus.
sibeen said:
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
Because it’s not very good.
It may have a lower efficacy than some of the other vaccines but it has so far displayed an ability to completely protect against severe disease and death from the rona.
For sure it’s better than nothing, but if I could get one of the good vaccines I’d do that in a flash. But if it means having to wait six months to do that, I’d have to consider not getting the AZ vaccine. I’d rather wait for the good ones.
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Spiny Norman said:Because it’s not very good.
It may have a lower efficacy than some of the other vaccines but it has so far displayed an ability to completely protect against severe disease and death from the rona.
For sure it’s better than nothing, but if I could get one of the good vaccines I’d do that in a flash. But if it means having to wait six months to do that, I’d have to consider not getting the AZ vaccine. I’d rather wait for the good ones.
Err…that’s silly.
yeah those idiot New Zealanders
sibeen said:
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:It may have a lower efficacy than some of the other vaccines but it has so far displayed an ability to completely protect against severe disease and death from the rona.
For sure it’s better than nothing, but if I could get one of the good vaccines I’d do that in a flash. But if it means having to wait six months to do that, I’d have to consider not getting the AZ vaccine. I’d rather wait for the good ones.
Err…that’s silly.
Not at all.
It’s really simple – If by taking the AZ vaccine it means that I have to wait lots of months before being able to use a vaccine that works a hell of a lot better, then I’m quite happy to continue being a hermit here at home until I can get the good vaccine.
Your life is likely different to mine, so applying your life to mine is irrelevant.
there are some cheap vaccines coming out of CHINA, pretty safe, pretty good, on par with AstraZeneca really, we should all go and grab some of those first, might as well
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Spiny Norman said:For sure it’s better than nothing, but if I could get one of the good vaccines I’d do that in a flash. But if it means having to wait six months to do that, I’d have to consider not getting the AZ vaccine. I’d rather wait for the good ones.
Err…that’s silly.
Not at all.
It’s really simple – If by taking the AZ vaccine it means that I have to wait lots of months before being able to use a vaccine that works a hell of a lot better, then I’m quite happy to continue being a hermit here at home until I can get the good vaccine.
Your life is likely different to mine, so applying your life to mine is irrelevant.
I don’t think anyone is saying that if you take the AZ you then have to wait months before you can get a ‘good’ one. You’ve been vaccinated, you don’t need to do it again – OK, you do but that’s a second dose of the same vaccine.
There’s always going to be another variant not covered by the original vaccine
Maybe the best strategy could be therapy drugs that stop the virus once in the body
The efficacy of AZ is as good as any of the others, in fact it’s showing slightly better results in the UK than the pfiser vaccine.
So you really aren’t going to get a better vaccine.
The clotting issue is a different story.
>>being able to use a vaccine that works a hell of a lot better
As I said the AZ is as good if not better than some of the others ie pfiser.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>being able to use a vaccine that works a hell of a lot betterAs I said the AZ is as good if not better than some of the others ie pfiser.
Except that it’s absolutely not.
LOL
disinformation carry on
I reckon we’re probably going to have to get a new Covid vaccine every year or couple of years anyway, just like we do with the flu jab. Seems the Covid vaccine doesn’t last all that long in some people, plus we keep getting new variants, for as long as the virus runs out of control in certain countries.
Spiny Norman said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>being able to use a vaccine that works a hell of a lot betterAs I said the AZ is as good if not better than some of the others ie pfiser.
Except that it’s absolutely not.
Does it stop people from getting seriously ill or dying – apparently it’s at 100% good for that. That is rather effective.
No-one’s offered me a vaccination anyway so it’s all a bit academic.
Spiny Norman said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>being able to use a vaccine that works a hell of a lot betterAs I said the AZ is as good if not better than some of the others ie pfiser.
Except that it’s absolutely not.
Yes it is.
party_pants said:
I reckon we’re probably going to have to get a new Covid vaccine every year or couple of years anyway, just like we do with the flu jab. Seems the Covid vaccine doesn’t last all that long in some people, plus we keep getting new variants, for as long as the virus runs out of control in certain countries.
well the vaccines themselves are just a mild ‘flu’ so imagine how bad the disease is if preventing it requires having to take a ‘flu’ twice a year
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Perfection is the enemy of progress :)
satisficing is the enemy of herd immunity and imperfection is the friend of pandemic persistence
Spiny Norman said:
Spocky & I aren’t too impressed with the AstraZenica vaccine, but it looks like it’s going to be the only one available here for some time unfortunately. If we were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine, how soon afterwards could be get another vaccine, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines?
Can’t in the foreseeable future (1.5-2 years).
We have to upload Covid vaccination history to an online registry, there are fines and sticks to be beaten with if you use different vaccines or give someone one again when they’ve already been vaccinated. Plus if we don’t use the online registry we also get fined ($6660) per instance.
Michael V said:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Hmmm …. certainly better than nothing. Ta for the link.
But the question still remains, despite all attempts to derail the thread – How soon can you receive a different COVID vaccine if you have already been vaccinated?
poikilotherm said:
Spiny Norman said:
Spocky & I aren’t too impressed with the AstraZenica vaccine, but it looks like it’s going to be the only one available here for some time unfortunately. If we were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine, how soon afterwards could be get another vaccine, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines?
Can’t in the foreseeable future (1.5-2 years).
We have to upload Covid vaccination history to an online registry, there are fines and sticks to be beaten with if you use different vaccines or give someone one again when they’ve already been vaccinated. Plus if we don’t use the online registry we also get fined ($6660) per instance.
What about if we got the other vaccine overseas?
apparently lucky bastards can go to NZ meet the idiots and get Pfizzled but who would do that when AstraZeneca is so good
Spiny Norman said:
poikilotherm said:
Spiny Norman said:
Spocky & I aren’t too impressed with the AstraZenica vaccine, but it looks like it’s going to be the only one available here for some time unfortunately. If we were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine, how soon afterwards could be get another vaccine, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines?
Can’t in the foreseeable future (1.5-2 years).
We have to upload Covid vaccination history to an online registry, there are fines and sticks to be beaten with if you use different vaccines or give someone one again when they’ve already been vaccinated. Plus if we don’t use the online registry we also get fined ($6660) per instance.
What about if we got the other vaccine overseas?
Good luck.
poikilotherm said:
Spiny Norman said:
poikilotherm said:Can’t in the foreseeable future (1.5-2 years).
We have to upload Covid vaccination history to an online registry, there are fines and sticks to be beaten with if you use different vaccines or give someone one again when they’ve already been vaccinated. Plus if we don’t use the online registry we also get fined ($6660) per instance.
What about if we got the other vaccine overseas?
Good luck.
In seriousness though, no one knows, it’s not been studied at all at this stage.
poikilotherm said:
poikilotherm said:
Spiny Norman said:What about if we got the other vaccine overseas?
Good luck.
In seriousness though, no one knows, it’s not been studied at all at this stage.
Ta. Much as I thought, but I was hoping that someone would know.
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
Because it’s not very good.
What d’ ya mean not very good. It’s cheap and nasty.. possibly fatal, and entirely in keeping with the principles of the Moriscum/IPA/Murdoch government.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
Because it’s not very good.
What d’ ya mean not very good. It’s cheap and nasty.. possibly fatal, and entirely in keeping with the principles of the Moriscum/IPA/Murdoch government.
Jaysus.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
Because it’s not very good.
What d’ ya mean not very good. It’s cheap and nasty.. possibly fatal, and entirely in keeping with the principles of the Moriscum/IPA/Murdoch government.
if it kills you first then your completely safe from this COVID-19 fake ‘flu’ right, easy
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:Because it’s not very good.
What d’ ya mean not very good. It’s cheap and nasty.. possibly fatal, and entirely in keeping with the principles of the Moriscum/IPA/Murdoch government.
if it kills you first then yore completely safe from this COVID-19 fake ‘flu’ right, easy
all right so we fucked up the homonym, time to have lunch and cry you’ll be relieved to hear
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
sibeen said:
Why aren’t you impressed with the AZ?
Because it’s not very good.
What d’ ya mean not very good. It’s cheap and nasty.. possibly fatal, and entirely in keeping with the principles of the Moriscum/IPA/Murdoch government.
The tragic thing is leftwing nut jobs actually believe that.
For me, I’m glad to accept the AZ vaccine. I’m in the older age group but nonetheless, I’m still keen for everyone to go get the shot. Whichever shot is available for you on the day.
At our workplace we’ve only been advised that we leave a 2 week space between getting the first dose of COVID vaccine, and our flu shot, on either side of receiving our COV vaccines; seems more about any interference with the body learning to create am immune response. But I’m sure that I have recently read a good article that includes a detailed discussion on this complex immune response stuff – I’ll post it here if I find it.Oh well, Bill, looks like you’ll have to cross the Pf vaccine off your list of preferred as well. The J&J one has also been halted in the USA. It may be getting on to slim pickings.
sibeen said:
Oh well, Bill, looks like you’ll have to cross the Pf vaccine off your list of preferred as well. The J&J one has also been halted in the USA. It may be getting on to slim pickings.
I gunna make my own I’m so sick of waiting. how hard can it be?
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:Oh well, Bill, looks like you’ll have to cross the Pf vaccine off your list of preferred as well. The J&J one has also been halted in the USA. It may be getting on to slim pickings.
I gunna make my own I’m so sick of waiting. how hard can it be?
all you need to do is to catch the bug and then your body makes its own antibodies right
Yeah, I went for a run, I thought about it, and I couldn’t help myself.
sibeen said:
Yeah, I went for a run, I thought about it, and I couldn’t help myself.
Why does the fellow in the water look identical to the other fellow?
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Yeah, I went for a run, I thought about it, and I couldn’t help myself.
Why does the fellow in the water look identical to the other fellow?
because SCIENCE and medicine and other similar fields of expertise really are what the Corruption Coalition is trying to push off the cliff
FWIW, I got the first dose of the AZ vaccine in late March, and will get the second mid-June. No issues at all: mildly sore at the injection point for a day then all good. No headache, no fever, no nausea, etc. And no blood clots.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Get a snag and a jabhttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/22/jab-and-go-bunnings-offers-to-host-vaccination-hubs-to-help-get-economy-back-on-track
and here we laughed at CHINA sweetening their getting shot deal with groceries
Who laughed? Burn them!!!
mustabiin Greg if you’re asking about which hunt
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:and here we laughed at CHINA sweetening their getting shot deal with groceries
Who laughed? Burn them!!!
mustabiin Greg if you’re asking about which hunt
What happened to Mike?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:ChrispenEvan said:Get a snag and a jabhttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/22/jab-and-go-bunnings-offers-to-host-vaccination-hubs-to-help-get-economy-back-on-track
and here we laughed at CHINA sweetening their getting shot deal with groceries
What deal was that?
Get a vaccination, and get a coupon for a free pangolin?
more a Human Rights Violating case of “people who take these groceries without paying will be shot on site” we think
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Who laughed? Burn them!!!
mustabiin Greg if you’re asking about which hunt
What happened to Mike?
penny dropped him as a child
¿ dunno, you tell us, what happened to Mike?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/23/one-dose-of-pfizer-or-oxford-jab-reduces-covid-infection-rate-by-65-study
LOL
this shit doesn’t work but we want more
why you would trust UK and SE in this pandemic beggars
In New Zealand, “they haven’t overpromised,” Ms Petousis-Harris said.
“They’ve managed to deliver on what they’ve promised, or at least forecast,” she said.
“Not to say there’s not been confusion, but by and large it does seem to be happening according to plan.”
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imagine having enlightened leadership on one’s country
At the time, Peter thought his friend’s phase of “QAnon-style” conspiracy theories would pass after the “cabin fever” of staying home lifted.
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LOL
I wonder if they will ever develop a vaccine that can evolve like the virus does and so remain effective?
ChrispenEvan said:
I wonder if they will ever develop a vaccine that can evolve like the virus does and so remain effective?
well could be worse they could develop (that’s what “developing” means in “developing country” virology laboratory right) a third virus that springboards off the conventional COVID-19 the way hepatitis deltavirus makes use of hepadnavirus
A significant difference between viroids and HDV is that, while viroids produce no proteins, HDV is known to produce one protein, namely HDAg. It comes in two forms; a 27kDa large-HDAg, and a small-HDAg of 24kDa. The N-terminals of the two forms are identical, they differ by 19 more amino acids in the C-terminal of the large HDAg. Both isoforms are produced from the same reading frame which contains an UAG stop codon at codon 196, which normally produces only the small-HDAg. However, editing by cellular enzyme adenosine deaminase-1 changes the stop codon to UGG, allowing the large-HDAg to be produced. Despite having 90% identical sequences, these two proteins play diverging roles during the course of an infection. HDAg-S is produced in the early stages of an infection and enters the nucleus and supports viral replication. HDAg-L, in contrast, is produced during the later stages of an infection, acts as an inhibitor of viral replication, and is required for assembly of viral particles. Thus RNA editing by the cellular enzymes is critical to the virus’ life cycle because it regulates the balance between viral replication and virion assembly.
fuck intelligent design is coooooooool
thank you goooooooooooood
SCIENCE said:
bq. A significant difference between viroids and HDV is that, while viroids produce no proteins, HDV is known to produce one protein, namely HDAg. It comes in two forms; a 27kDa large-HDAg, and a small-HDAg of 24kDa. The N-terminals of the two forms are identical, they differ by 19 more amino acids in the C-terminal of the large HDAg. Both isoforms are produced from the same reading frame which contains an UAG stop codon at codon 196, which normally produces only the small-HDAg. However, editing by cellular enzyme adenosine deaminase-1 changes the stop codon to UGG, allowing the large-HDAg to be produced. Despite having 90% identical sequences, these two proteins play diverging roles during the course of an infection. HDAg-S is produced in the early stages of an infection and enters the nucleus and supports viral replication. HDAg-L, in contrast, is produced during the later stages of an infection, acts as an inhibitor of viral replication, and is required for assembly of viral particles. Thus RNA editing by the cellular enzymes is critical to the virus’ life cycle because it regulates the balance between viral replication and virion assembly.fuck intelligent design is coooooooool
thank you goooooooooooood
Sings:
Thankyou God
For fixing the Cov19
In ‘Straya.
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:poikilotherm said:Apparently GPs here are still offering AZ vaccine but only after an informed consent form is signed, majority opt out (opt for comirnaty) before signing point.
Is the informed consent form only for AZ?
Yes. As it’s not recommended by the ATAGI any more it needs more than just a ‘you want vax?’ question; the doctor is acting ‘outside of guidelines’ and as such, would have minimal to no insurance / indemnity cover if something went wrong.
oh so Australians are too good for this Oxford shit now are they, we thought it was All The Rage up in the UK and now we’re thumbing our noses at the empire ungrateful bastards
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:Peak Warming Man said:Is the informed consent form only for AZ?
Yes. As it’s not recommended by the ATAGI any more it needs more than just a ‘you want vax?’ question; the doctor is acting ‘outside of guidelines’ and as such, would have minimal to no insurance / indemnity cover if something went wrong.
oh so Australians are too good for this Oxford shit now are they, we thought it was All The Rage up in the UK and now we’re thumbing our noses at the empire ungrateful bastards
Not really, the UK does have a lower age cut off for their ‘Oxford shit’ though.