Best that could be hoped for.
Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
don’t worry he’ll be pardoned when don gets back on 2024 easy
Bubblecar said:
Best that could be hoped for.Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
…and black prison guards as well
SCIENCE said:
don’t worry he’ll be pardoned when don gets back on 2024 easy
the only thing I’d love more than seeing the panic in Chauvin’s eyes
is the thought of the panic in Don D. Con’s eyes when his number’s up.
Ogmog said:
SCIENCE said:
don’t worry he’ll be pardoned when don gets back on 2024 easy
the only thing I’d love more than seeing the panic in Chauvin’s eyes
is the thought of the panic in Don D. Con’s eyes when his number’s up.
He did seem a bit surprised.
sarahs mum said:
When Nazi slave labour chief Fritz Sauckel heard his death sentence announced via headphones in the Nuremberg courtroom, he was convinced there’d been a mistranslation of what the judge actually said.
For some time afterwards he was demanding that his lawyer re-check the documents and make sure there’d been no mistake.
In his case though this was to some extent understandable, as his superior Albert Speer only copped a jail sentence, which genuinely didn’t make much sense.
Bubblecar said:
Best that could be hoped for.Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
Is this all bout the video with the faked voiceover?
The “you’re killing me, you’re killing me” voiceover added in postproduction?
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
Best that could be hoped for.Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
Is this all bout the video with the faked voiceover?
The “you’re killing me, you’re killing me” voiceover added in postproduction?
You are very peculiar.
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
Best that could be hoped for.Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
Is this all bout the video with the faked voiceover?
The “you’re killing me, you’re killing me” voiceover added in postproduction?
So you really have gone full nutcase, moll?
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
Best that could be hoped for.Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
Is this all bout the video with the faked voiceover?
The “you’re killing me, you’re killing me” voiceover added in postproduction?
rriiiiiiiight
…and Donald WON…
sarahs mum said:
aside from that initial; “OH, SHIT!” moment,
in the video you can see his eyes darting around
as his brain tries to calculate all the abuse he’s heaped
upon all the folks who he’ll now find himself incarcerated with.
ummm… what’s that phrase they use about “Pay-Back”…?
save yore best line fore last:
Final line of the prosecution:
“What happened didn’t happen because George Floyd’s heart was too big…
…it happened because Derek Chauvin’s heart was too small.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCN-E3BxL1c
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
Best that could be hoped for.Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
Is this all bout the video with the faked voiceover?
The “you’re killing me, you’re killing me” voiceover added in postproduction?
that is really disrespectful..
sarahs mum said:
I can’t say that I understand the meme culture around this at all.. likewise I don’t really understand people cheering the verdict… this is actually a very sombre moment.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
I can’t say that I understand the meme culture around this at all.. likewise I don’t really understand people cheering the verdict… this is actually a very sombre moment.
they are cheering for justice served. The system getting something right and the effect of saying you can’t use a position of law to be above the law
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
I can’t say that I understand the meme culture around this at all.. likewise I don’t really understand people cheering the verdict… this is actually a very sombre moment.
they are cheering for justice served. The system getting something right and the effect of saying you can’t use a position of law to be above the law
But it does nothing to heal, nothing to try and mend the divide between black and white.
In actual fact it widens the divide.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:I can’t say that I understand the meme culture around this at all.. likewise I don’t really understand people cheering the verdict… this is actually a very sombre moment.
they are cheering for justice served. The system getting something right and the effect of saying you can’t use a position of law to be above the law
But it does nothing to heal, nothing to try and mend the divide between black and white.
In actual fact it widens the divide.
the justice system does nothing to heal? wow.. interesting perspective
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:I can’t say that I understand the meme culture around this at all.. likewise I don’t really understand people cheering the verdict… this is actually a very sombre moment.
they are cheering for justice served. The system getting something right and the effect of saying you can’t use a position of law to be above the law
But it does nothing to heal, nothing to try and mend the divide between black and white.
In actual fact it widens the divide.
Really?
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:they are cheering for justice served. The system getting something right and the effect of saying you can’t use a position of law to be above the law
But it does nothing to heal, nothing to try and mend the divide between black and white.
In actual fact it widens the divide.
Really?
I’m waiting to see his workings on coming to that conclusion.
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:they are cheering for justice served. The system getting something right and the effect of saying you can’t use a position of law to be above the law
But it does nothing to heal, nothing to try and mend the divide between black and white.
In actual fact it widens the divide.
the justice system does nothing to heal? wow.. interesting perspective
I wasn’t talking about the justice system I was talking about the meme.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:But it does nothing to heal, nothing to try and mend the divide between black and white.
In actual fact it widens the divide.
the justice system does nothing to heal? wow.. interesting perspective
I wasn’t talking about the justice system I was talking about the meme.
oh.. that’s a powerful meme to widen a gap of inequality and racism..
Like how can the gap be wider?
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:the justice system does nothing to heal? wow.. interesting perspective
I wasn’t talking about the justice system I was talking about the meme.
oh.. that’s a powerful meme to widen a gap of inequality and racism..
Step back and have a close objective look at it, if you still think it’s terrific for racial harmony, well so be it.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:I wasn’t talking about the justice system I was talking about the meme.
oh.. that’s a powerful meme to widen a gap of inequality and racism..
Step back and have a close objective look at it, if you still think it’s terrific for racial harmony, well so be it.
Murder is murder on racial harmony.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:I wasn’t talking about the justice system I was talking about the meme.
oh.. that’s a powerful meme to widen a gap of inequality and racism..
Step back and have a close objective look at it, if you still think it’s terrific for racial harmony, well so be it.
it’s not supposed to be about racial harmony.. it’s a knee jerk response to an event that has created a dialogue. I’m not supporting the meme, I just think that it is a meme and it’s easy to ignore, unlike the overwhelming cases of racial vilification.
Ogmog said:
sarahs mum said:
aside from that initial; “OH, SHIT!” moment,
in the video you can see his eyes darting around
as his brain tries to calculate all the abuse he’s heaped
upon all the folks who he’ll now find himself incarcerated with.ummm… what’s that phrase they use about “Pay-Back”…?
that would be unfortunate if large part of the purpose of the law was to limit retribution
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
fair point
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
fair point
An appeal has been lodged.
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
Nods.
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
fair point
An appeal has been lodged.
I doubt they’ll get this verdict overturned.
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
I believe that is the most obvious conclusion. Sure, some will be celebrating a this cop going to prison.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
I believe that is the most obvious conclusion. Sure, some will be celebrating a this cop going to prison.
“By the third verdict — guilty on all charges — a switch had been flipped, replacing tense anticipation with electric relief.”
Watching NBC news, it seems that the whole of America is applauding. “America got it right for once”.
His colleagues testifying against him. Shows that even the police wanted this.
dv said:
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people.
How do the convictions for killing black people stack up against police killings of other racial groups? My impression is that it is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted of a crime when they kill someone whilst working regardless of the race of the victim, but admittedly I haven’t actually looked for the data on this.
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
fair point
An appeal has been lodged.
that’s just the process. The lawyers for the defence are going to use every avenue available to be able to claim due diligence. It would be interesting to see what the sentencing will be and what the appeal process brings. Because this a battle win, but the war may still be lost.
esselte said:
dv said:
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people.
How do the convictions for killing black people stack up against police killings of other racial groups? My impression is that it is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted of a crime when they kill someone whilst working regardless of the race of the victim, but admittedly I haven’t actually looked for the data on this.
you’re right, very few are charged and fewer still convicted and less than that sentenced.. but if we are talking proportionally we have to look at offences and this study from 2019 has some info… https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793/tab-figures-data
“Risk is highest for black men, who (at current levels of risk) face about a 1 in 1,000 chance of being killed by police over the life course. The average lifetime odds of being killed by police are about 1 in 2,000 for men and about 1 in 33,000 for women. Risk peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for all groups. For young men of color, police use of force is among the leading causes of death.”
Inequality in lifetime risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by sex and race–ethnicity at 2013 to 2018 risk levels. Dashes indicate 90% uncertainty intervals. Life tables were calculated using model simulations from 2013 to 2018 Fatal Encounters data and 2017 National Vital Statistics System data.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/us/police-killings-prosecution-charges.html
“Few police officers are ever charged with murder or manslaughter when they cause a death in the line of duty, and only about a third of those officers are convicted.”
snip
Union protections that shield police officers from timely investigation, legal standards that give them the benefit of the doubt, and a tendency to take officers at their word have added up to few convictions and little prison time for officers who kill. On top of that, misconduct and poor judgment do not always amount to criminality.
Arts said:
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:fair point
An appeal has been lodged.
that’s just the process. The lawyers for the defence are going to use every avenue available to be able to claim due diligence. It would be interesting to see what the sentencing will be and what the appeal process brings. Because this a battle win, but the war may still be lost.
Arts said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/us/police-killings-prosecution-charges.html
“Few police officers are ever charged with murder or manslaughter when they cause a death in the line of duty, and only about a third of those officers are convicted.”
snip
Union protections that shield police officers from timely investigation, legal standards that give them the benefit of the doubt, and a tendency to take officers at their word have added up to few convictions and little prison time for officers who kill. On top of that, misconduct and poor judgment do not always amount to criminality.
Qualified Immunity is an issue as well
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:oh.. that’s a powerful meme to widen a gap of inequality and racism..
Step back and have a close objective look at it, if you still think it’s terrific for racial harmony, well so be it.
it’s not supposed to be about racial harmony.. it’s a knee jerk response to an event that has created a dialogue. I’m not supporting the meme, I just think that it is a meme and it’s easy to ignore, unlike the overwhelming cases of racial vilification.
oh c’m‘on now if a white man make meme about black man stereotype then it’s the LOLSZ but when someone makes même about white man getting justice it’s horrible and disgusting and divisive and unfair we all know that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EULbrMCWMCo
Let’s talk about why the Chauvin verdict doesn’t feel like a win….
Beau.
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
Best that could be hoped for.Presumably they’ll have to keep him segregated from black prisoners for the next couple of decades.
Is this all bout the video with the faked voiceover?
The “you’re killing me, you’re killing me” voiceover added in postproduction?
That’s what burned my biscuits;
The halfast defender pulled out every strand of spaghetti in the pot
and flung it at the wall trying to get at least one strand of it to stick.
Reminded me of the old Richard Pryor routine when his wife caught him red handed;
“Who you gonna’ believe…? ME …or your lyin’ eyes?”
dv said:
I ain’t the tone police so I don’t know whether DS is right that these celebrations are appropriate but do please consider the context.
It is extremely rare for police in the US to be convicted when they kill unarmed black people. The families of Tyree Woodson, Elijah McClain, Rekia Boyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, Eric Garner and hundreds of less famous cases dating back to Rodney King, never had a day when a court decided that the homicide of their loved one was illegal. Taken in context people may be celebrating because they believe this verdict will be the beginning of change.
What set this apart
was that It Was Undeniable
because we ALL WITNESSED IT