So what’s the deal with Star Scientific?

They appear to have major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

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https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/02/04/australian-green-hydrogen-innovator-to-flip-coal-fired-fleet-in-the-philippines/
Australian green hydrogen innovator to flip coal-fired fleet in the Philippines
“The MoU set out objectives for Star Scientific to retrofit existing coal-fired power stations with HERO systems powered by green hydrogen. “
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https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-invented-catalyst-may-be-key-to-creating-a-global-hydrogen-economy/

Australian invented ‘catalyst’ may be key to creating a global hydrogen economy

Star Scientific says the catalyst coating has the potential for use in the production of high temperature steam, allowing existing thermal power stations to be retrofitted to run on hydrogen, as well as allowing industrial operations to use hydrogen as an effective source of heat.

The company said the discovery of the ‘HERO’ catalyst was a fortuitous result of the company’s research into fusion energy technologies, with the catalyst being completely reusable and that the only by-product from the hydrogen conversion process was water.

The company said that it had produced a working demonstration of the catalyst at its research facilities in Berkley Vale on the New South Wales central coast. The technology has subsequently been patented, and Star Scientific has shifted its focus on its ongoing development.

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So the HERO process “converts” hydrogen, and produces water and energy … but doesn’t involve combustion? So … it’s a fuel cell?

Their website makes it sound like it some completely revolutionary technology.

Star Scientific Limited was founded and set up by Andrew Horvath. Our early years were spent working to advance muon-catalysed fusion when a breakthrough discovery occurred. We discovered a breakthrough technology to convert hydrogen into heat without combustion. This became our HERO® – the Hydrogen Energy Release Optimiser.

I mean if this is some improved fuel cell … great. But they appear to be going to lengths to obscure the fact that it is a fuel cell.

dv said:

major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

perfect, that’s all we need to know, the government should splash corruption money all over it right now

dv said:

So what’s the deal with Star Scientific?

They appear to have major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

—-
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/02/04/australian-green-hydrogen-innovator-to-flip-coal-fired-fleet-in-the-philippines/
Australian green hydrogen innovator to flip coal-fired fleet in the Philippines
“The MoU set out objectives for Star Scientific to retrofit existing coal-fired power stations with HERO systems powered by green hydrogen. “
—-

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-invented-catalyst-may-be-key-to-creating-a-global-hydrogen-economy/

Australian invented ‘catalyst’ may be key to creating a global hydrogen economy

Star Scientific says the catalyst coating has the potential for use in the production of high temperature steam, allowing existing thermal power stations to be retrofitted to run on hydrogen, as well as allowing industrial operations to use hydrogen as an effective source of heat.

The company said the discovery of the ‘HERO’ catalyst was a fortuitous result of the company’s research into fusion energy technologies, with the catalyst being completely reusable and that the only by-product from the hydrogen conversion process was water.

The company said that it had produced a working demonstration of the catalyst at its research facilities in Berkley Vale on the New South Wales central coast. The technology has subsequently been patented, and Star Scientific has shifted its focus on its ongoing development.

—-

So the HERO process “converts” hydrogen, and produces water and energy … but doesn’t involve combustion? So … it’s a fuel cell?

Their website makes it sound like it some completely revolutionary technology.

Star Scientific Limited was founded and set up by Andrew Horvath. Our early years were spent working to advance muon-catalysed fusion when a breakthrough discovery occurred. We discovered a breakthrough technology to convert hydrogen into heat without combustion. This became our HERO® – the Hydrogen Energy Release Optimiser.

I mean if this is some improved fuel cell … great. But they appear to be going to lengths to obscure the fact that it is a fuel cell.

My guess is a flame-less air combustion catalyst.

700°C within minutes, apparently. Coal is plant-materials-limited to a bit over 540°C.

Hydrogen-air flame combustion is ~2000°C. Coal can be pushed to ~2500°C.

Peter Brock and the ‘energy polariser’?

$450 million to some Barrier Reef outfit that basically hasn’t been heard of since?

A cross-breed of both here?

Michael V said:

dv said:

So what’s the deal with Star Scientific?

They appear to have major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

—-
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/02/04/australian-green-hydrogen-innovator-to-flip-coal-fired-fleet-in-the-philippines/
Australian green hydrogen innovator to flip coal-fired fleet in the Philippines
“The MoU set out objectives for Star Scientific to retrofit existing coal-fired power stations with HERO systems powered by green hydrogen. “
—-

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-invented-catalyst-may-be-key-to-creating-a-global-hydrogen-economy/

Australian invented ‘catalyst’ may be key to creating a global hydrogen economy

Star Scientific says the catalyst coating has the potential for use in the production of high temperature steam, allowing existing thermal power stations to be retrofitted to run on hydrogen, as well as allowing industrial operations to use hydrogen as an effective source of heat.

The company said the discovery of the ‘HERO’ catalyst was a fortuitous result of the company’s research into fusion energy technologies, with the catalyst being completely reusable and that the only by-product from the hydrogen conversion process was water.

The company said that it had produced a working demonstration of the catalyst at its research facilities in Berkley Vale on the New South Wales central coast. The technology has subsequently been patented, and Star Scientific has shifted its focus on its ongoing development.

—-

So the HERO process “converts” hydrogen, and produces water and energy … but doesn’t involve combustion? So … it’s a fuel cell?

Their website makes it sound like it some completely revolutionary technology.

Star Scientific Limited was founded and set up by Andrew Horvath. Our early years were spent working to advance muon-catalysed fusion when a breakthrough discovery occurred. We discovered a breakthrough technology to convert hydrogen into heat without combustion. This became our HERO® – the Hydrogen Energy Release Optimiser.

I mean if this is some improved fuel cell … great. But they appear to be going to lengths to obscure the fact that it is a fuel cell.

My guess is a flame-less air combustion catalyst.

700°C within minutes, apparently. Coal is plant-materials-limited to a bit over 540°C.

Hydrogen-air flame combustion is ~2000°C. Coal can be pushed to ~2500°C.

Well then they are being misleading in saying it is combustionless

captain_spalding said:

Peter Brock and the ‘energy polariser’?

$450 million to some Barrier Reef outfit that basically hasn’t been heard of since?

A cross-breed of both here?

Just reminded myself of the energy polariser story because I thought you were saying Brock got $450 million for nothing, but I see you are talking two different things here (which I suppose you need for a cross breed).

So have the Barrier Reef people really done nothing, or just nothing useful?

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

So what’s the deal with Star Scientific?

They appear to have major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

—-
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/02/04/australian-green-hydrogen-innovator-to-flip-coal-fired-fleet-in-the-philippines/
Australian green hydrogen innovator to flip coal-fired fleet in the Philippines
“The MoU set out objectives for Star Scientific to retrofit existing coal-fired power stations with HERO systems powered by green hydrogen. “
—-

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-invented-catalyst-may-be-key-to-creating-a-global-hydrogen-economy/

Australian invented ‘catalyst’ may be key to creating a global hydrogen economy

Star Scientific says the catalyst coating has the potential for use in the production of high temperature steam, allowing existing thermal power stations to be retrofitted to run on hydrogen, as well as allowing industrial operations to use hydrogen as an effective source of heat.

The company said the discovery of the ‘HERO’ catalyst was a fortuitous result of the company’s research into fusion energy technologies, with the catalyst being completely reusable and that the only by-product from the hydrogen conversion process was water.

The company said that it had produced a working demonstration of the catalyst at its research facilities in Berkley Vale on the New South Wales central coast. The technology has subsequently been patented, and Star Scientific has shifted its focus on its ongoing development.

—-

So the HERO process “converts” hydrogen, and produces water and energy … but doesn’t involve combustion? So … it’s a fuel cell?

Their website makes it sound like it some completely revolutionary technology.

Star Scientific Limited was founded and set up by Andrew Horvath. Our early years were spent working to advance muon-catalysed fusion when a breakthrough discovery occurred. We discovered a breakthrough technology to convert hydrogen into heat without combustion. This became our HERO® – the Hydrogen Energy Release Optimiser.

I mean if this is some improved fuel cell … great. But they appear to be going to lengths to obscure the fact that it is a fuel cell.

My guess is a flame-less air combustion catalyst.

700°C within minutes, apparently. Coal is plant-materials-limited to a bit over 540°C.

Hydrogen-air flame combustion is ~2000°C. Coal can be pushed to ~2500°C.

Well then they are being misleading in saying it is combustionless

If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

But if generating electricity through a fuel cell without combustion is more efficient, why not use a fuel cell?

The Rev Dodgson said:

If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

But if generating electricity through a fuel cell without combustion is more efficient, why not use a fuel cell?

Energy generation is more than just efficiency, it has to also be able to keep up with demand.

Dark Orange said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

But if generating electricity through a fuel cell without combustion is more efficient, why not use a fuel cell?

Energy generation is more than just efficiency, it has to also be able to keep up with demand.

Not sure I get your point.

If one fuel cell isn’t enough, use 2, or 2000, or however many required.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

My guess is a flame-less air combustion catalyst.

700°C within minutes, apparently. Coal is plant-materials-limited to a bit over 540°C.

Hydrogen-air flame combustion is ~2000°C. Coal can be pushed to ~2500°C.

Well then they are being misleading in saying it is combustionless

If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

But if generating electricity through a fuel cell without combustion is more efficient, why not use a fuel cell?

>>>> If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

Hydrogen-air burning temperature is too high (2000°C) to be contained in a normal coal-fired plant (maximum ~540°C).

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Well then they are being misleading in saying it is combustionless

If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

But if generating electricity through a fuel cell without combustion is more efficient, why not use a fuel cell?

>>>> If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

Hydrogen-air burning temperature is too high (2000°C) to be contained in a normal coal-fired plant (maximum ~540°C).

OK, still seems a strange way to go, but I guess it might work out as an interim measure to get coal-fired plants converted earlier, assuming the overall cost is lower.

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Well then they are being misleading in saying it is combustionless

If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

But if generating electricity through a fuel cell without combustion is more efficient, why not use a fuel cell?

>>>> If they are using the hydrogen to generate heat, why not just burn it in the usual way?

Hydrogen-air burning temperature is too high (2000°C) to be contained in a normal coal-fired plant (maximum ~540°C).

Perhaps cooling film air technology, as used in jet engines, could be applied to keep the various surfaces cool enough but still have a very high combustion temperature.*

• The first stage turbine blade in a modern large jet engine operates in an environment about 300°C hotter than its melting point but survives thanks to superb cooling.

dv said:

So what’s the deal with Star Scientific?

They appear to have major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

—-
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/02/04/australian-green-hydrogen-innovator-to-flip-coal-fired-fleet-in-the-philippines/
Australian green hydrogen innovator to flip coal-fired fleet in the Philippines
“The MoU set out objectives for Star Scientific to retrofit existing coal-fired power stations with HERO systems powered by green hydrogen. “
—-

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-invented-catalyst-may-be-key-to-creating-a-global-hydrogen-economy/

Australian invented ‘catalyst’ may be key to creating a global hydrogen economy

Star Scientific says the catalyst coating has the potential for use in the production of high temperature steam, allowing existing thermal power stations to be retrofitted to run on hydrogen, as well as allowing industrial operations to use hydrogen as an effective source of heat.

The company said the discovery of the ‘HERO’ catalyst was a fortuitous result of the company’s research into fusion energy technologies, with the catalyst being completely reusable and that the only by-product from the hydrogen conversion process was water.

The company said that it had produced a working demonstration of the catalyst at its research facilities in Berkley Vale on the New South Wales central coast. The technology has subsequently been patented, and Star Scientific has shifted its focus on its ongoing development.

—-

So the HERO process “converts” hydrogen, and produces water and energy … but doesn’t involve combustion? So … it’s a fuel cell?

Their website makes it sound like it some completely revolutionary technology.

Star Scientific Limited was founded and set up by Andrew Horvath. Our early years were spent working to advance muon-catalysed fusion when a breakthrough discovery occurred. We discovered a breakthrough technology to convert hydrogen into heat without combustion. This became our HERO® – the Hydrogen Energy Release Optimiser.

I mean if this is some improved fuel cell … great. But they appear to be going to lengths to obscure the fact that it is a fuel cell.

I’ll leave you decide that. I’ll just note in passing that the current way that Australia generates hydrogen must rank as about the dirtiest possible way to produce hydrogen.

So anything else would be an advantage.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

So what’s the deal with Star Scientific?

They appear to have major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

—-
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/02/04/australian-green-hydrogen-innovator-to-flip-coal-fired-fleet-in-the-philippines/
Australian green hydrogen innovator to flip coal-fired fleet in the Philippines
“The MoU set out objectives for Star Scientific to retrofit existing coal-fired power stations with HERO systems powered by green hydrogen. “
—-

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-invented-catalyst-may-be-key-to-creating-a-global-hydrogen-economy/

Australian invented ‘catalyst’ may be key to creating a global hydrogen economy

Star Scientific says the catalyst coating has the potential for use in the production of high temperature steam, allowing existing thermal power stations to be retrofitted to run on hydrogen, as well as allowing industrial operations to use hydrogen as an effective source of heat.

The company said the discovery of the ‘HERO’ catalyst was a fortuitous result of the company’s research into fusion energy technologies, with the catalyst being completely reusable and that the only by-product from the hydrogen conversion process was water.

The company said that it had produced a working demonstration of the catalyst at its research facilities in Berkley Vale on the New South Wales central coast. The technology has subsequently been patented, and Star Scientific has shifted its focus on its ongoing development.

—-

So the HERO process “converts” hydrogen, and produces water and energy … but doesn’t involve combustion? So … it’s a fuel cell?

Their website makes it sound like it some completely revolutionary technology.

Star Scientific Limited was founded and set up by Andrew Horvath. Our early years were spent working to advance muon-catalysed fusion when a breakthrough discovery occurred. We discovered a breakthrough technology to convert hydrogen into heat without combustion. This became our HERO® – the Hydrogen Energy Release Optimiser.

I mean if this is some improved fuel cell … great. But they appear to be going to lengths to obscure the fact that it is a fuel cell.

I’ll leave you decide that. I’ll just note in passing that the current way that Australia generates hydrogen must rank as about the dirtiest possible way to produce hydrogen.

So anything else would be an advantage.

This scheme is about consuming hydrogen, not generating it.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

So what’s the deal with Star Scientific?

They appear to have major contracts.
But their own description of their process seems to be dodgy.

—-
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/02/04/australian-green-hydrogen-innovator-to-flip-coal-fired-fleet-in-the-philippines/
Australian green hydrogen innovator to flip coal-fired fleet in the Philippines
“The MoU set out objectives for Star Scientific to retrofit existing coal-fired power stations with HERO systems powered by green hydrogen. “
—-

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-invented-catalyst-may-be-key-to-creating-a-global-hydrogen-economy/

Australian invented ‘catalyst’ may be key to creating a global hydrogen economy

Star Scientific says the catalyst coating has the potential for use in the production of high temperature steam, allowing existing thermal power stations to be retrofitted to run on hydrogen, as well as allowing industrial operations to use hydrogen as an effective source of heat.

The company said the discovery of the ‘HERO’ catalyst was a fortuitous result of the company’s research into fusion energy technologies, with the catalyst being completely reusable and that the only by-product from the hydrogen conversion process was water.

The company said that it had produced a working demonstration of the catalyst at its research facilities in Berkley Vale on the New South Wales central coast. The technology has subsequently been patented, and Star Scientific has shifted its focus on its ongoing development.

—-

So the HERO process “converts” hydrogen, and produces water and energy … but doesn’t involve combustion? So … it’s a fuel cell?

Their website makes it sound like it some completely revolutionary technology.

Star Scientific Limited was founded and set up by Andrew Horvath. Our early years were spent working to advance muon-catalysed fusion when a breakthrough discovery occurred. We discovered a breakthrough technology to convert hydrogen into heat without combustion. This became our HERO® – the Hydrogen Energy Release Optimiser.

I mean if this is some improved fuel cell … great. But they appear to be going to lengths to obscure the fact that it is a fuel cell.

I’ll leave you decide that. I’ll just note in passing that the current way that Australia generates hydrogen must rank as about the dirtiest possible way to produce hydrogen.

So anything else would be an advantage.

What way is that?

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Peter Brock and the ‘energy polariser’?

$450 million to some Barrier Reef outfit that basically hasn’t been heard of since?

A cross-breed of both here?

Just reminded myself of the energy polariser story because I thought you were saying Brock got $450 million for nothing, but I see you are talking two different things here (which I suppose you need for a cross breed).

So have the Barrier Reef people really done nothing, or just nothing useful?

We really deserve to know, since we gave them the money. Isn’t it a condition of all grants, expected to be reported on how the money was spent?