Because the other thread is past it’s use-by date, we bring you a new and shiny thread. .

:)

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“Younger people, women and those who previously had COVID-19 are more likely to report side effects after getting vaccinated with the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines, according to a survey in the UK.

Key points:

• One in four people who participated in a UK survey reported a systemic effect such as fever and headache and two in three reported a local effect such as a sore arm
• Most side effects occurred within 24 hours of getting the vaccine, with symptoms typically resolving within 48 hours
• Early Australian data shows half of people who have been vaccinated (and responded to the survey) reported an adverse event, mostly a sore arm

The survey, published in the medical journal The Lancet, relied on self-reports and data from 627,383 people who received either one or two doses of Pfizer or the first dose of AstraZeneca.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-05-01/covid-19-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-side-effects-study/100103326

Michael V said:

* Early Australian data shows half of people who have been vaccinated (and responded to the survey) reported an adverse event, mostly a sore arm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-05-01/covid-19-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-side-effects-study/100103326

how is a sore arm not > 95% reported

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

* Early Australian data shows half of people who have been vaccinated (and responded to the survey) reported an adverse event, mostly a sore arm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-05-01/covid-19-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-side-effects-study/100103326

how is a sore arm not > 95% reported

And, what percentage of those sore arms were the arm which got the injection? (t.i.c.)

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

* Early Australian data shows half of people who have been vaccinated (and responded to the survey) reported an adverse event, mostly a sore arm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-05-01/covid-19-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-side-effects-study/100103326

how is a sore arm not > 95% reported

And, what percentage of those sore arms were the arm which got the injection? (t.i.c.)

I never felt a thing.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

* Early Australian data shows half of people who have been vaccinated (and responded to the survey) reported an adverse event, mostly a sore arm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-05-01/covid-19-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-side-effects-study/100103326

how is a sore arm not > 95% reported

And, what percentage of those sore arms were the arm which got the injection? (t.i.c.)

LOL good point, they should distinguish those in the questions

“After the injection, did your other arm become sore ¿” and there’s your nocebo baseline right there ¡

Remember One Year Ago, When A Big Country Tried To Sacrifice Its Economy* To Save Lives And Avoid Exporting More Cases To Others So The World Could Avoid A Pandemic Disaster, And For That We Accused Them Of Lying And Cover-Up And Abusing Human Rights ¿ Well This “Vibrant Liberal Democracy” Certainly Has A Similar Appearance To “Democracy” Under Liberal

*: Must Grow, and rather than getting sacrificed it did because lives were saved

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/india-ravaged-by-the-record-breaking-covid-19-surge/100105294

The COVID crisis that has engulfed states like Uttar Pradesh and the capital Delhi has smashed confidence in the country’s frail healthcare system. “It’s impossibly bad,” Dr Sumit Ray, the medical superintendent at Holy Family Hospital in Delhi, said. “It’s way beyond even what the media is able to capture. Not because they don’t want to. Even doctors don’t realise how bad it is.”

But the views of those working on the crisis frontline sit in sharp contrast with the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, Yogi Adityanath. The monk turned politician for the Hindu nationalist party, the BJP, has repeatedly denied claims from hospitals that the state is suffering a shortage of liquid oxygen. Instead, he blamed “black marketing and hoarding”.

The chief minister went one step further, threatening to use the draconian National Security Act and the Gangster Act to crackdown on “anti-social elements” spreading “rumours and propaganda” about oxygen shortages, Indian newspaper The Hindu reported. Journalist Arfa K Sherwani from digital publication The Wire said the threat of legal action was clear intimidation against doctors, the public and journalists to play down the overwhelming crisis. “I think this is going to really intimidate the local media,” Ms Sherwani said. “This looming threat of legal action by the state over just about anything and everything that it doesn’t consider the truth will further affect the reporting of the pandemic in the biggest Indian state.

Adding further concern is the national Epidemic Diseases Act, a colonial British law from 1897, which doctors have told the ABC prevents them from speaking out or revealing data over fears they will be accused of “fear mongering” during a time of crisis. It’s already been incited against a man in Uttar Pradesh who tweeted he needed oxygen. The tweet did not mention COVID-19.

Further alarm was raised about the government silencing critics after Twitter complied with a government directive to remove dozens of tweets critical of the government and populist Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while Facebook blocked the hashtag #ResignModi, a move the company later said was an error.

Journalist Arfa K Sherwani said the “very touchy” government was treating the pandemic as a public relations issue.

India now accounts for one in four COVID-19 deaths in the world, but the numbers reported are widely believed to be under representative of the actual figures. Medical consultant Dr Arun N Madhavan said he estimated the real rate of death would be five times higher than the official toll, but that number varied depending on the state. “There is gross under reporting,” Dr Madhavan said. Dr Madhavan said a severe lack of testing meant people were dying at home due to coronavirus but weren’t being marked as COVID-19 deaths. The number of daily tests has significantly dropped as facilities buckle due to crippling demand. Dr Madhavan also said other illnesses were being marked as the cause of death instead of COVID-19, which violates World Health Organization protocol.

In Gujarat, concerns about under reporting were raised this week when medical sources told local media the number of hospital deaths were many times higher than the official toll. “They’re asked to do that to reduce the number as much, so the state government looks good compared to other governments,” he said.

India’s Health Minister has said the country has the lowest death rate in the world, and denied the country suffers from an oxygen shortage.

As all of you know, we are no big fans of the AstraZeneca, but in a setting of disastrous pandemic escalation and in association with at least some serious form of non-pharmaceutical infection control intervention, there’s this to be said for it.

Of course, in Australia we are not currently in a disastrous pandemic escalation phase, and as Rule 303 likes to say, if your vaccine immunity has to come into play, then you should be filling out a “near-miss” report, because really our PPE and other non-pharmaceutical interventions should be doing the job.

Also notice how 2 countries that are normally right next to each other, Finland and Sweden, are …

SCIENCE said:

notice how 2 countries that are normally right next to each other, Finland and Sweden, are …

the colours, man, look at the colours of Scandinavia, oooh

SCIENCE said:

Remember One Year Ago, When A Big Country Tried To Sacrifice Its Economy* To Save Lives And Avoid Exporting More Cases To Others So The World Could Avoid A Pandemic Disaster, And For That We Accused Them Of Lying And Cover-Up And Abusing Human Rights ¿ Well This “Vibrant Liberal Democracy” Certainly Has A Similar Appearance To “Democracy” Under Liberal

*: Must Grow, and rather than getting sacrificed it did because lives were saved

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/india-ravaged-by-the-record-breaking-covid-19-surge/100105294

The COVID crisis that has engulfed states like Uttar Pradesh and the capital Delhi has smashed confidence in the country’s frail healthcare system. “It’s impossibly bad,” Dr Sumit Ray, the medical superintendent at Holy Family Hospital in Delhi, said. “It’s way beyond even what the media is able to capture. Not because they don’t want to. Even doctors don’t realise how bad it is.”

But the views of those working on the crisis frontline sit in sharp contrast with the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, Yogi Adityanath. The monk turned politician for the Hindu nationalist party, the BJP, has repeatedly denied claims from hospitals that the state is suffering a shortage of liquid oxygen. Instead, he blamed “black marketing and hoarding”.

The chief minister went one step further, threatening to use the draconian National Security Act and the Gangster Act to crackdown on “anti-social elements” spreading “rumours and propaganda” about oxygen shortages, Indian newspaper The Hindu reported. Journalist Arfa K Sherwani from digital publication The Wire said the threat of legal action was clear intimidation against doctors, the public and journalists to play down the overwhelming crisis. “I think this is going to really intimidate the local media,” Ms Sherwani said. “This looming threat of legal action by the state over just about anything and everything that it doesn’t consider the truth will further affect the reporting of the pandemic in the biggest Indian state.

Adding further concern is the national Epidemic Diseases Act, a colonial British law from 1897, which doctors have told the ABC prevents them from speaking out or revealing data over fears they will be accused of “fear mongering” during a time of crisis. It’s already been incited against a man in Uttar Pradesh who tweeted he needed oxygen. The tweet did not mention COVID-19.

Further alarm was raised about the government silencing critics after Twitter complied with a government directive to remove dozens of tweets critical of the government and populist Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while Facebook blocked the hashtag #ResignModi, a move the company later said was an error.

Journalist Arfa K Sherwani said the “very touchy” government was treating the pandemic as a public relations issue.

India now accounts for one in four COVID-19 deaths in the world, but the numbers reported are widely believed to be under representative of the actual figures. Medical consultant Dr Arun N Madhavan said he estimated the real rate of death would be five times higher than the official toll, but that number varied depending on the state. “There is gross under reporting,” Dr Madhavan said. Dr Madhavan said a severe lack of testing meant people were dying at home due to coronavirus but weren’t being marked as COVID-19 deaths. The number of daily tests has significantly dropped as facilities buckle due to crippling demand. Dr Madhavan also said other illnesses were being marked as the cause of death instead of COVID-19, which violates World Health Organization protocol.

In Gujarat, concerns about under reporting were raised this week when medical sources told local media the number of hospital deaths were many times higher than the official toll. “They’re asked to do that to reduce the number as much, so the state government looks good compared to other governments,” he said.

India’s Health Minister has said the country has the lowest death rate in the world, and denied the country suffers from an oxygen shortage.

India is not the most well governed country so it’s feint praise to compare them to the cadres in Beijing.

SCIENCE said:

As all of you know, we are no big fans of the AstraZeneca, but in a setting of disastrous pandemic escalation and in association with at least some serious form of non-pharmaceutical infection control intervention, there’s this to be said for it.

A respectable achievement compared to the effective leadership around the world over the past year, but consider instead …

imagine where you all could have been even without COVID-19 vaccination if you’d just taken this thing seriously 12 months ago and protected The Economy Must Grow by protecting lives in the first place ¡

Witty Rejoinder said:

India is not the most well governed country so it’s feint praise to compare them to the cadres in Beijing.

we’re not comparing governments we’re comparing the way pandemic responses are portrayed in the media

as you know the media have been fucking arseholes about the whole thing

¿ if you excoriate a country for raising the alarm, restricting movement of disease, and enforcing a life-saving and Economy Must Growing strategy, then what do you think the rest of the world is going to do to try to distinguish themselves from excellent pandemic control ?

and let’s not forget the gushing commentaries about how an overpopulated vibrant liberal democratic country like India was able to avert pandemic disaster … … … for 10 months

and how we should work with them to counter the threat of better governed countries wait what

we mean we were never fooled into thinking that their incumbents were of more integrity than our Corruption Coalition, but the typical reporting certainly painted a rose water Ganges — but that could be completely our fault for reading the basket of sources we read

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

India is not the most well governed country so it’s feint praise to compare them to the cadres in Beijing.

we’re not comparing governments we’re comparing the way pandemic responses are portrayed in the media

as you know the media have been fucking arseholes about the whole thing

¿ if you excoriate a country for raising the alarm, restricting movement of disease, and enforcing a life-saving and Economy Must Growing strategy, then what do you think the rest of the world is going to do to try to distinguish themselves from excellent pandemic control ?

and let’s not forget the gushing commentaries about how an overpopulated vibrant liberal democratic country like India was able to avert pandemic disaster … … … for 10 months

and how we should work with them to counter the threat of better governed countries wait what

we mean we were never fooled into thinking that their incumbents were of more integrity than our Corruption Coalition, but the typical reporting certainly painted a rose water Ganges — but that could be completely our fault for reading the basket of sources we read

I don’t think the media was ever that gungho about India’s pandemic response. OTOH you seem to think any slight on China is an insult to the Chinese people when in almost all cases it’s legitimate criticism of an authoritarian regime that oppresses the Chinese people above all others.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

India is not the most well governed country so it’s feint praise to compare them to the cadres in Beijing.

we’re not comparing governments we’re comparing the way pandemic responses are portrayed in the media

as you know the media have been fucking arseholes about the whole thing

¿ if you excoriate a country for raising the alarm, restricting movement of disease, and enforcing a life-saving and Economy Must Growing strategy, then what do you think the rest of the world is going to do to try to distinguish themselves from excellent pandemic control ?

and let’s not forget the gushing commentaries about how an overpopulated vibrant liberal democratic country like India was able to avert pandemic disaster … … … for 10 months

and how we should work with them to counter the threat of better governed countries wait what

we mean we were never fooled into thinking that their incumbents were of more integrity than our Corruption Coalition, but the typical reporting certainly painted a rose water Ganges — but that could be completely our fault for reading the basket of sources we read

I don’t think the media was ever that gungho about India’s pandemic response. OTOH you seem to think any slight on China is an insult to the Chinese people when in almost all cases it’s legitimate criticism of an authoritarian regime that oppresses the Chinese people above all others.

Nah cuz, we merely think that good and bad policy are independent of whether one believes a government is authoricratic, demotarian, anything in between, or anything besides. “But Look, CHINA”, like “oh look Swineddenia”, is not in general good policy. “CHINA are building up and we need to be strategically prepared”, like “gee Iran seems to be refining a lot of uranium, maybe we should look into this” can be.

SCIENCE said:

As all of you know, we are no big fans of the AstraZeneca, but in a setting of disastrous pandemic escalation and in association with at least some serious form of non-pharmaceutical infection control intervention, there’s this to be said for it.

Of course, in Australia we are not currently in a disastrous pandemic escalation phase, and as Rule 303 likes to say, if your vaccine immunity has to come into play, then you should be filling out a “near-miss” report, because really our PPE and other non-pharmaceutical interventions should be doing the job.

Also notice how 2 countries that are normally right next to each other, Finland and Sweden, are …

Deaths seem to have dropped right off though.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

buffy said:

Deaths seem to have dropped right off though.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

yes, 9 people died of COVID-19 in CHINA in the past 2 months but we know they’re really having 3500 a day

—

unless you mean the drop-off in the past 2 weeks, which is just reporting delays

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Deaths seem to have dropped right off though.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

yes, 9 people died of COVID-19 in CHINA in the past 2 months but we know they’re really having 3500 a day

—

unless you mean the drop-off in the past 2 weeks, which is just reporting delays

No, I meant the Swedish deaths started dropping in mid February, despite cases per day increasing since then.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg says a travel ban preventing Australians returning from India is “drastic” but is “designed to keep Australians safe”. Changes to the Biosecurity Act mean Australians could face up to five years in jail and heavy fines if they flee the COVID-ravaged country to return home.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/crime-to-fly-from-india-to-australia-covid-federal-government/100108898

Fuck, We Just Had A Brilliant Idea … Why Not Just Send Them To Christmas Island Instead

Oh wait we really did¿¡

Opposition MP Jason Clare said he agrees with the government’s flight ban. “I think what we should be doing is make it easier for people to get home.” He suggested quarantining travellers on Christmas Island could be a solution. “When we did in respect of flighting coming home from China, we took the flights to get Aussies out and took them to Christmas Island,” Mr Clare said. “We could do that now.”

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Dr Sharma also said the move appears to be inconsistent with responses to earlier outbreaks in Europe and the US.

In India’s devastating coronavirus surge, anger at Modi grows

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/29/india-coronavirus-modi/?

…

Good.

The 3,000 attendees were the first people in Britain in more than a year to legally dance, drink and listen to music in a nightclub.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/uk-government-backs-rave-to-test-covid-reopening-social-distance/100109228

LOL what was that again, learn to live with COVID-19, it’ll be a new normal, just fatten the curve, lockdowns will kill more people, et cetera ¿

Oh yeah zero-COVID-19 places have been able to party for months.

BOOM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/perth-hotel-quarantine-guard-tests-positive-for-covid-19/100109788

how’s that “hotel quarantine is safe” idea looking now

SCIENCE said:

BOOM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/perth-hotel-quarantine-guard-tests-positive-for-covid-19/100109788

how’s that “hotel quarantine is safe” idea looking now

Bloody.

Not good.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

BOOM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/perth-hotel-quarantine-guard-tests-positive-for-covid-19/100109788

how’s that “hotel quarantine is safe” idea looking now

Bloody.

Not good.

so dude had the vaccine last week and thought that his symptoms were from that… but if he had the vaccine, could that potentially create a false positive in the test?

Arts said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

BOOM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/perth-hotel-quarantine-guard-tests-positive-for-covid-19/100109788

how’s that “hotel quarantine is safe” idea looking now

Bloody.

Not good.

so dude had the vaccine last week and thought that his symptoms were from that… but if he had the vaccine, could that potentially create a false positive in the test?

No. (Because the vaccine makes antibodies and the PCR Test tests for the actual virus.)

Michael V said:

Arts said:

Michael V said:

Bloody.

Not good.

so dude had the vaccine last week and thought that his symptoms were from that… but if he had the vaccine, could that potentially create a false positive in the test?

No. (Because the vaccine makes antibodies and the PCR Test tests for the actual virus.)

Also these vaccines probably don’t transmit.

The man was residing in Nollamara, about 10 kilometres north of Perth’s CBD, with seven people, including two visitors from Canberra. Two of those people have tested positive for the virus, while the other five have returned negative results at this stage.

also also, word of advice for basically anyone out there who breathes

On Friday morning, he visited a mosque in Mirrabooka in the morning before getting a COVID-19 test. The test was confirmed as positive this morning.

on a day that you’re sick enough to get tested, then maybe if you can avoid it don’t fucking go to places where people gather for any other reason than to get healthcare

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.620175/full

COVID-19 Therapy: Could a Copper Derivative of Chlorophyll a Be Used to Treat Lymphopenia Associated With Severe Symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 Infection?

Michael V said:

Arts said:

Michael V said:

Bloody.

Not good.

so dude had the vaccine last week and thought that his symptoms were from that… but if he had the vaccine, could that potentially create a false positive in the test?

No. (Because the vaccine makes antibodies and the PCR Test tests for the actual virus.)

I see… fair point

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Arts said:

so dude had the vaccine last week and thought that his symptoms were from that… but if he had the vaccine, could that potentially create a false positive in the test?

No. (Because the vaccine makes antibodies and the PCR Test tests for the actual virus.)

Also these vaccines probably don’t transmit.

The man was residing in Nollamara, about 10 kilometres north of Perth’s CBD, with seven people, including two visitors from Canberra. Two of those people have tested positive for the virus, while the other five have returned negative results at this stage.

also also, word of advice for basically anyone out there who breathes

On Friday morning, he visited a mosque in Mirrabooka in the morning before getting a COVID-19 test. The test was confirmed as positive this morning.

on a day that you’re sick enough to get tested, then maybe if you can avoid it don’t fucking go to places where people gather for any other reason than to get healthcare

I think places of worship are protected by those higher up than any doctor

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

No. (Because the vaccine makes antibodies and the PCR Test tests for the actual virus.)

Also these vaccines probably don’t transmit.

The man was residing in Nollamara, about 10 kilometres north of Perth’s CBD, with seven people, including two visitors from Canberra. Two of those people have tested positive for the virus, while the other five have returned negative results at this stage.

also also, word of advice for basically anyone out there who breathes

On Friday morning, he visited a mosque in Mirrabooka in the morning before getting a COVID-19 test. The test was confirmed as positive this morning.

on a day that you’re sick enough to get tested, then maybe if you can avoid it don’t fucking go to places where people gather for any other reason than to get healthcare

I think places of worship are protected by those higher up than any doctor

And we all know how good the gods are at protecting humanity from plagues and famines and natural disasters. They are such compassionate gods.

I see that Mr Make It Up As He Goes Along is still making it up as he goes along. Security guard gets COVID, but no one else does: lock it down for five days. Joe Public gets COVID and passes it on to others: yeah, we’ll only close for three days. Now, another security guard got it, passed it onto others: We’ll not bother locking down this time, don’t want to take a hit to the popularity of dear leader closing so soon. Probably just wait until after the derby where 40000 odd people will be maskless and shouting…

Wait … what ¿¡

That’s not how quarantine is supposed to work …

KELLY, Professor Paul, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health. We expect that there will be positive cases in quarantine. We expect that there will be transmission in quarantine. The important thing is that it doesn’t transmit outside of quarantine, and, if it does, that it’s picked up quickly, as has happened with the incursions in recent times—most recently, last week in WA—and controlled. That’s the protection we have for the Australian community.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=committees/commsen/54c967b9-4210-41bc-92c5-b15d62ed36ea/&sid=0002

not the only thing he’s wrong about but damn

furious said:

I see that Mr Make It Up As He Goes Along is still making it up as he goes along. Security guard gets COVID, but no one else does: lock it down for five days. Joe Public gets COVID and passes it on to others: yeah, we’ll only close for three days. Now, another security guard got it, passed it onto others: We’ll not bother locking down this time, don’t want to take a hit to the popularity of dear leader closing so soon. Probably just wait until after the derby where 40000 odd people will be maskless and shouting…

LOL.

Michael V said:

Because the other thread is past it’s use-by date, we bring you a new and shiny thread. .

:)

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“Younger people, women and those who previously had COVID-19 are more likely to report side effects after getting vaccinated with the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines, according to a survey in the UK.

Key points:

• One in four people who participated in a UK survey reported a systemic effect such as fever and headache and two in three reported a local effect such as a sore arm
• Most side effects occurred within 24 hours of getting the vaccine, with symptoms typically resolving within 48 hours
• Early Australian data shows half of people who have been vaccinated (and responded to the survey) reported an adverse event, mostly a sore arm

The survey, published in the medical journal The Lancet, relied on self-reports and data from 627,383 people who received either one or two doses of Pfizer or the first dose of AstraZeneca.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-05-01/covid-19-pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccines-side-effects-study/100103326

My only symptoms from the Astra poke on Thursday have been:

1) A sore arm(localised) that began the next morning and was over by that evening.
2) A small bandaid has appeared at the injection site.

furious said:

I see that Mr Make It Up As He Goes Along is still making it up as he goes along. Security guard gets COVID, but no one else does: lock it down for five days. Joe Public gets COVID and passes it on to others: yeah, we’ll only close for three days. Now, another security guard got it, passed it onto others: We’ll not bother locking down this time, don’t want to take a hit to the popularity of dear leader closing so soon. Probably just wait until after the derby where 40000 odd people will be maskless and shouting…

Well of course. Everyone agreed that 5 days was too long, while Brisbane managed to do a 3 day snap lockdown no worries. So of course they make changes. There is no textbook for this, it is learning as you go.

party_pants said:

furious said:

I see that Mr Make It Up As He Goes Along is still making it up as he goes along. Security guard gets COVID, but no one else does: lock it down for five days. Joe Public gets COVID and passes it on to others: yeah, we’ll only close for three days. Now, another security guard got it, passed it onto others: We’ll not bother locking down this time, don’t want to take a hit to the popularity of dear leader closing so soon. Probably just wait until after the derby where 40000 odd people will be maskless and shouting…

Well of course. Everyone agreed that 5 days was too long, while Brisbane managed to do a 3 day snap lockdown no worries. So of course they make changes. There is no textbook for this, it is learning as you go.

Plus the idea of the lockdown is to look at the contact tracing data and get a handle of how bad or not the particular event is. and seeing as all that is improving then lockdowns are getting better targetted.

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

I see that Mr Make It Up As He Goes Along is still making it up as he goes along. Security guard gets COVID, but no one else does: lock it down for five days. Joe Public gets COVID and passes it on to others: yeah, we’ll only close for three days. Now, another security guard got it, passed it onto others: We’ll not bother locking down this time, don’t want to take a hit to the popularity of dear leader closing so soon. Probably just wait until after the derby where 40000 odd people will be maskless and shouting…

Well of course. Everyone agreed that 5 days was too long, while Brisbane managed to do a 3 day snap lockdown no worries. So of course they make changes. There is no textbook for this, it is learning as you go.

Plus the idea of the lockdown is to look at the contact tracing data and get a handle of how bad or not the particular event is. and seeing as all that is improving then lockdowns are getting better targetted.

did we see all these defensive leaps for Gladys when she made it all up sheesh

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

Well of course. Everyone agreed that 5 days was too long, while Brisbane managed to do a 3 day snap lockdown no worries. So of course they make changes. There is no textbook for this, it is learning as you go.

Plus the idea of the lockdown is to look at the contact tracing data and get a handle of how bad or not the particular event is. and seeing as all that is improving then lockdowns are getting better targetted.

did we see all these defensive leaps for Gladys when she made it all up sheesh

I live in WA.

:-)

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

furious said:

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

I know, it is so terrible.

Would they recommend people take aspirin prior to the vaccine and then for the next 2 – 4 weeks after having the vaccine to help manage clotting risk factor?

furious said:

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

No, they have to wear masks to the game, and on the public transport to get there and back. I was speaking to a mate today who has tickets for the game.

monkey skipper said:

Would they recommend people take aspirin prior to the vaccine and then for the next 2 – 4 weeks after having the vaccine to help manage clotting risk factor?

isn’t the risk of bleeding or other side effects from that actually worse in this case

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

I know, it is so terrible.

Not for me, I wouldn’t go near a western derby nor do I have my own office…

furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

I know, it is so terrible.

Not for me, I wouldn’t go near a western derby nor do I have my own office…

wait is this the outrage on behalf of others mass transit again

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I know, it is so terrible.

Not for me, I wouldn’t go near a western derby nor do I have my own office…

wait is this the outrage on behalf of others mass transit again

No, I just don’t like Mark and like to nit pick…

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

I know, it is so terrible.

I think the people will have to wear a mask at the footy

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

furious said:

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

I know, it is so terrible.

I think the people will have to wear a mask at the footy

I think so.

party_pants said:

furious said:

And you have to wear a mask in an office, even if no one else is near, but you can go to an outdoor gathering of 40000 people and it’ll be fine…

No, they have to wear masks to the game, and on the public transport to get there and back. I was speaking to a mate today who has tickets for the game.

yes, and Marky McG said in his presser today that because we have all been wearing masks and aware of social distancing again for the last week another lockdown isn’t necessary at this stage… if we had been business as usual then what happened last week would have happened again.

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

Not for me, I wouldn’t go near a western derby nor do I have my own office…

wait is this the outrage on behalf of others mass transit again

No, I just don’t like Mark and like to nit pick…

fair enough he could get some guts and just up and build better quarantine facilities and wait until that’s sorted before warring with words with the other elects

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

wait is this the outrage on behalf of others mass transit again

No, I just don’t like Mark and like to nit pick…

fair enough he could get some guts and just up and build better quarantine facilities and wait until that’s sorted before warring with words with the other elects

I admit that he has been slow with the appropriate facilities.. I don’t know if he thought our bubble would help, but he’s been wordy on the amount of OS people the federal gov has ‘required WA to take in’ and I think he ostensibly thought it wouldn’t be like this here… he does need to move on some better quarantine facilities soon…

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

No, I just don’t like Mark and like to nit pick…

fair enough he could get some guts and just up and build better quarantine facilities and wait until that’s sorted before warring with words with the other elects

I admit that he has been slow with the appropriate facilities.. I don’t know if he thought our bubble would help, but he’s been wordy on the amount of OS people the federal gov has ‘required WA to take in’ and I think he ostensibly thought it wouldn’t be like this here… he does need to move on some better quarantine facilities soon…

isn’t there a refugee facility somewhere close to perth? I remember some stories a few years ago about it.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

fair enough he could get some guts and just up and build better quarantine facilities and wait until that’s sorted before warring with words with the other elects

I admit that he has been slow with the appropriate facilities.. I don’t know if he thought our bubble would help, but he’s been wordy on the amount of OS people the federal gov has ‘required WA to take in’ and I think he ostensibly thought it wouldn’t be like this here… he does need to move on some better quarantine facilities soon…

isn’t there a refugee facility somewhere close to perth? I remember some stories a few years ago about it.

:). but where would we send all those form skipping criminals?

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

I admit that he has been slow with the appropriate facilities.. I don’t know if he thought our bubble would help, but he’s been wordy on the amount of OS people the federal gov has ‘required WA to take in’ and I think he ostensibly thought it wouldn’t be like this here… he does need to move on some better quarantine facilities soon…

isn’t there a refugee facility somewhere close to perth? I remember some stories a few years ago about it.

:). but where would we send all those form skipping criminals?

keep them in the same facility. they are undocumented arrivals so if they get the covids they won’t add to our stats.

More than 500 people admitted to hospital with coronavirus after getting vaccinated

Leah Sinclair 2 hrs ago

More than 500 people who received their coronavirus jabs have been admitted to hospital with Covid-19, a UK study has found.

Researchers at Liverpool University said the patients had all received one dose of the vaccine at least three weeks before they were admitted.

They said the patients were largely frail and elderly, while the number of people who were hospitalised represented only around 1 per cent of the 52,000 people involved in the research.

The report warns: “Elderly and vulnerable people who had been shielding, may have inadvertently been exposed and infected either through the end-to-end process of vaccination, or shortly after vaccination through behavioural changes where they wrongly assume they are immune.”

The study found a total of 526 people were admitted to hospital and 113 people died in what the research team called “vaccine failures”.

But they noted the amount of failures were not surprising based on the results at trials.

Colin Semple, professor of outbreak medicine at Liverpool University and one of the study’s authors, told the Times: “People should not be surprised about some vaccine failure. It is what was predicted. It does result in tragedy.

“We are all talking about the statistics, but if it is your granny it is a tragedy for your family.”

The findings were published by the UK Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies.

The authors pointed out that during the period covered by the study, December 8 to March 10, 2021, vaccinations were heavily focused on older people.

Health minister on care home rules relaxation

The study’s findings come as the government prepares to scrap controversial rules banning care home residents from leaving their accommodation.

From Tuesday residents will be able to leave care homes for “low risk” visits without having to self-isolate for 14 days on their return.

The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) are relaxing the rules after being threatened with legal action by the charity John’s Campaign.

Campaigners said strict rules encouraged care homes to act unlawfully by “falsely imprisoning” residents, with family members calling it “barbaric”.

Under the changes, residents on visits out must be accompanied by either a member of staff or one of their two nominated visitors, and follow social distancing throughout.

They cannot meet in groups or go indoors – except for the use of toilets – and public transport should be avoided where possible.

It is understood a resident would be able to eat outside at a restaurant or cafe with their care worker or nominated visitor if they agree it with the care home in advance.

Residents will also be able to vote in person in the upcoming local elections without having to self-isolate for 14 days afterwards.

The DHSC is expected to review the self-isolation requirement for more visits when it reaches the next stage of the Government’s road map on May 17.

New data shows that 95 per cent of elderly care home residents have received one vaccine dose and 71 per cent have received two.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: “We know how challenging this time has been for care home residents, so I am pleased that they can now leave their homes to reunite with their loved ones outdoors.

“With the data continuing to head in the right direction and as restrictions ease, it is my priority to keep increasing visits for residents in the coming weeks in a safe and controlled way.”

SCIENCE said:

monkey skipper said:

Would they recommend people take aspirin prior to the vaccine and then for the next 2 – 4 weeks after having the vaccine to help manage clotting risk factor?

isn’t the risk of bleeding or other side effects from that actually worse in this case

I don’t know, but helping to prevent a blood clot could be preventative or perhaps minimize the severity of clotting is a person develops the rare blood clot after having the vaccination.

Maybe they should start to focus on a risk group of those people likely to experience a blood clot to minimise the risk further.

All they’ve said currently is the people under fifty, but surely there are a group of people over 50 who are pre-disposed to blood clots with current medical risks that should probably opt for the other vaccine and what about people who can’t take certain medications now because of the risk of blood clots?

monkey skipper said:

SCIENCE said:

monkey skipper said:

Would they recommend people take aspirin prior to the vaccine and then for the next 2 – 4 weeks after having the vaccine to help manage clotting risk factor?

isn’t the risk of bleeding or other side effects from that actually worse in this case

I don’t know, but helping to prevent a blood clot could be preventative or perhaps minimize the severity of clotting is a person develops the rare blood clot after having the vaccination.

Maybe they should start to focus on a risk group of those people likely to experience a blood clot to minimise the risk further.

All they’ve said currently is the people under fifty, but surely there are a group of people over 50 who are pre-disposed to blood clots with current medical risks that should probably opt for the other vaccine and what about people who can’t take certain medications now because of the risk of blood clots?

The experts working on this stuff have not yet ironed out either the mechanism or the risk factors for this unusual vaccine-induced blood-clotting syndrome. In part because it is so rare.

Specifically though, aspirin is not recommended because it is counter-indicated.

monkey skipper said:

SCIENCE said:

monkey skipper said:

Would they recommend people take aspirin prior to the vaccine and then for the next 2 – 4 weeks after having the vaccine to help manage clotting risk factor?

isn’t the risk of bleeding or other side effects from that actually worse in this case

I don’t know, but helping to prevent a blood clot could be preventative or perhaps minimize the severity of clotting is a person develops the rare blood clot after having the vaccination.

Maybe they should start to focus on a risk group of those people likely to experience a blood clot to minimise the risk further.

All they’ve said currently is the people under fifty, but surely there are a group of people over 50 who are pre-disposed to blood clots with current medical risks that should probably opt for the other vaccine and what about people who can’t take certain medications now because of the risk of blood clots?

Aspirin won’t help. The mechanism for the clot formation results in low platelets , which is where aspirin works, having low platelets usually means you’re more likely to bleed, but not in the vax case as it sets off another part of the xlotting process (PF4).

Drugs that act on the right part of the clotting cascade to help are rather risky in otherwise well people.

Michael V said:

monkey skipper said:

SCIENCE said:

isn’t the risk of bleeding or other side effects from that actually worse in this case

I don’t know, but helping to prevent a blood clot could be preventative or perhaps minimize the severity of clotting is a person develops the rare blood clot after having the vaccination.

Maybe they should start to focus on a risk group of those people likely to experience a blood clot to minimise the risk further.

All they’ve said currently is the people under fifty, but surely there are a group of people over 50 who are pre-disposed to blood clots with current medical risks that should probably opt for the other vaccine and what about people who can’t take certain medications now because of the risk of blood clots?

The experts working on this stuff have not yet ironed out either the mechanism or the risk factors for this unusual vaccine-induced blood-clotting syndrome. In part because it is so rare.

Specifically though, aspirin is not recommended because it is counter-indicated.

I think it could be helpful to raise awareness on what the symptons are for bloodclots, it could help get patients to hospital sooner and save more lives, given blood clots, stroke etc is a big health issue anyway.

SCIENCE said:

notice how 2 countries that are normally right next to each other, Finland and Sweden.

the colours, man, look at the colours of Scandinavia, oooh

Please do the same thing with current death rates instead of case rates. The whole of the former Eastern Europe from Poland in the north to Greece in the south would be black. The rest would be lighter in colour.

Actually, where did you gat the data? I want to check it. eg. it may depend on what day of the week it was produced because countries like Sweden have an extreme weekly cycle in reporting. OK, I have checked it. It’s not too badly out, for cases.

Country in Europe, New cases per Mpop per week
Cyprus, 4693
Turkey, 3578
Sweden, 3508
Croatia, 3505
Netherlands, 3209
Lithuania, 2959
France, 2929
Latvia, 2202
Georgia, 2100
Belgium, 2062
Slovenia, 2060
Luxembourg, 1926
Estonia, 1856
Hungary, 1768
Serbia, 1738

That’s just about random, perhaps an artefact of how many tests each country does.

Covid deaths across Europe is anything but random. It’s very far from random.

No new cases in WA overnight.

Just the three reported yesterday evening.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-02/live-covid-news-updates-perth-wa/100102596

mollwollfumble said:

where did you gat the data

e

twitter

it’s obviously highly trustworthy

Looking into the future, this nation needs proper quarantine facilities built near the major airports, so hotels can deep clean and go back to being hotels, and proper facilities cater to this need.

By proper , I mean independent air systems for each room like hospitals have for isolation rooms but on a larger scale and have a clinic treatment room onsite.

The likelihood of this being required for a longer-term solution seems necessary, and an alternative to hospital which overseas is evidently suffering from overcrowding.

After immunization occurs that seems to only be part of the answer.

There have been other epidemics where this type of facility would have been needed, like swine flu etc and virologist predict there could be future pandemics to come.

monkey skipper said:

Looking into the future, this nation needs proper quarantine facilities built near the major airports, so hotels can deep clean and go back to being hotels, and proper facilities cater to this need.

By proper , I mean independent air systems for each room like hospitals have for isolation rooms but on a larger scale and have a clinic treatment room onsite.

The likelihood of this being required for a longer-term solution seems necessary, and an alternative to hospital which overseas is evidently suffering from overcrowding.

After immunization occurs that seems to only be part of the answer.

There have been other epidemics where this type of facility would have been needed, like swine flu etc and virologist predict there could be future pandemics to come.

And they could be up to 99% efficient, even more.

monkey skipper said:

Looking into the future, this nation needs proper quarantine facilities built near the major airports, so hotels can deep clean and go back to being hotels, and proper facilities cater to this need.

By proper , I mean independent air systems for each room like hospitals have for isolation rooms but on a larger scale and have a clinic treatment room onsite.

The likelihood of this being required for a longer-term solution seems necessary, and an alternative to hospital which overseas is evidently suffering from overcrowding.

After immunization occurs that seems to only be part of the answer.

There have been other epidemics where this type of facility would have been needed, like swine flu etc and virologist predict there could be future pandemics to come.

Hey Rule! Getting a sense of deja vu?

buffy said:

monkey skipper said:

Looking into the future, this nation needs proper quarantine facilities built near the major airports, so hotels can deep clean and go back to being hotels, and proper facilities cater to this need.

By proper , I mean independent air systems for each room like hospitals have for isolation rooms but on a larger scale and have a clinic treatment room onsite.

The likelihood of this being required for a longer-term solution seems necessary, and an alternative to hospital which overseas is evidently suffering from overcrowding.

After immunization occurs that seems to only be part of the answer.

There have been other epidemics where this type of facility would have been needed, like swine flu etc and virologist predict there could be future pandemics to come.

Hey Rule! Getting a sense of deja vu?

Indeed.

they all come around eventually

“We know it spreads by being in the air …”

Mr McGowan said the two housemates infected by the security guard worked as food delivery drivers. Health authorities believe they could have been infectious since Tuesday, April 27. They worked as delivery drivers on Thursday, April 29 and Friday, April 30. “Public health advice is that the risk is low when it comes to food deliveries, given the minimal contact and the requirement to wear masks,” Mr McGowan said. “Given the short time the drivers may have been at the locations and the fact that they may not have entered inside the premises … some restaurants will not be classified as an exposure location,” Mr McGowan said. “Contact tracing teams are working through the restaurants they attended for short periods to pick up food and also delivery points.”

“… but we don’t know how it spreads¡”

Mr McGowan said it was still not known how the security guard contracted the virus. However, he said he had been advised that the guard had followed protocols and wore a mask. “We’ve done a review of the CCTV in the area in question and at point of time we have not picked up anything that causes concern in relation to the behaviour of the guard or the people in the rooms,” he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-02/perth-covid-lockdown-avoided/100110264

One in three think federal government should do more to bring overseas Australians back home: Lowy poll

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

I suppose an alternative headline could have been:

Two in three think federal government should shut down international travel: Lowy poll

sibeen said:

One in three think federal government should do more to bring overseas Australians back home: Lowy poll

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

I suppose an alternative headline could have been:

Two in three think federal government should shut down international travel: Lowy poll

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

ours says

Many Australians believe government doing the right thing regarding those stranded abroad: Lowy poll

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

One in three think federal government should do more to bring overseas Australians back home: Lowy poll

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

I suppose an alternative headline could have been:

Two in three think federal government should shut down international travel: Lowy poll

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

One in three think federal government should do more to bring overseas Australians back home: Lowy poll

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

I suppose an alternative headline could have been:

Two in three think federal government should shut down international travel: Lowy poll

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

And has now been watched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GSKwf4AIlI

Morning punters and correctors, nice sunny day in Brissy.

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

One in three think federal government should do more to bring overseas Australians back home: Lowy poll

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

I suppose an alternative headline could have been:

Two in three think federal government should shut down international travel: Lowy poll

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

The 6 o’clock hotel hours were a good example of this. It asked something like:
1) Leave hours unchanged at 6pm
2) Extend hours to 9pm
3) Extend hours to 10pm
The later hours combined polled more than the 6pm but individually 6pm was the winner.

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

One in three think federal government should do more to bring overseas Australians back home: Lowy poll

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

I suppose an alternative headline could have been:

Two in three think federal government should shut down international travel: Lowy poll

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

I think it more a case of style of reporting rather than the survey. You don’t here of disasters by the number of people not injured or killed even if they outnumbered those that are. In this case there has been a lot of outrage at these bans so it might have appeared to the lay person that there was strong support against them. So the headline reflects this side while also showing that it is untrue.

SCIENCE said:

ours says

Many Australians believe government doing the right thing regarding those stranded abroad: Lowy poll

Yeah, they decided to change it.

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning punters and correctors, nice sunny day in Brissy.

Sunny in FNQ also, 21°

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

mine still says the original.

SCIENCE said:

ours says

Many Australians believe government doing the right thing regarding those stranded abroad: Lowy poll

I get those words in that order from reddit.

:-)

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

I think it more a case of style of reporting rather than the survey. You don’t here of disasters by the number of people not injured or killed even if they outnumbered those that are. In this case there has been a lot of outrage at these bans so it might have appeared to the lay person that there was strong support against them. So the headline reflects this side while also showing that it is untrue.

I haven’t read the actual survey questions, but “are you happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far?” is a very different question from “do you think heavy fines and/or imprisonment for returning from India is reasonable when these penalties were not imposed on those returning from Europe or the USA under similar circumstances?”

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

I think it more a case of style of reporting rather than the survey. You don’t here of disasters by the number of people not injured or killed even if they outnumbered those that are. In this case there has been a lot of outrage at these bans so it might have appeared to the lay person that there was strong support against them. So the headline reflects this side while also showing that it is untrue.

I haven’t read the actual survey questions, but “are you happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far?” is a very different question from “do you think heavy fines and/or imprisonment for returning from India is reasonable when these penalties were not imposed on those returning from Europe or the USA under similar circumstances?”

I am purely commenting on the reporting style not the actual survey.

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

I think it more a case of style of reporting rather than the survey. You don’t here of disasters by the number of people not injured or killed even if they outnumbered those that are. In this case there has been a lot of outrage at these bans so it might have appeared to the lay person that there was strong support against them. So the headline reflects this side while also showing that it is untrue.

hear

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I think it more a case of style of reporting rather than the survey. You don’t here of disasters by the number of people not injured or killed even if they outnumbered those that are. In this case there has been a lot of outrage at these bans so it might have appeared to the lay person that there was strong support against them. So the headline reflects this side while also showing that it is untrue.

I haven’t read the actual survey questions, but “are you happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far?” is a very different question from “do you think heavy fines and/or imprisonment for returning from India is reasonable when these penalties were not imposed on those returning from Europe or the USA under similar circumstances?”

I am purely commenting on the reporting style not the actual survey.

OK.

I’m doing the opposite :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I haven’t read the actual survey questions, but “are you happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far?” is a very different question from “do you think heavy fines and/or imprisonment for returning from India is reasonable when these penalties were not imposed on those returning from Europe or the USA under similar circumstances?”

I am purely commenting on the reporting style not the actual survey.

OK.

I’m doing the opposite :)

this bit of discussion was started about the style.

:-)

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I am purely commenting on the reporting style not the actual survey.

OK.

I’m doing the opposite :)

this bit of discussion was started about the style.

:-)

So I’m doing my bit to expand the scope.

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK.

I’m doing the opposite :)

this bit of discussion was started about the style.

:-)

So I’m doing my bit to expand the scope.

well, stop it!!!

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

I think it more a case of style of reporting rather than the survey. You don’t here of disasters by the number of people not injured or killed even if they outnumbered those that are. In this case there has been a lot of outrage at these bans so it might have appeared to the lay person that there was strong support against them. So the headline reflects this side while also showing that it is untrue.

I haven’t read the actual survey questions, but “are you happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far?” is a very different question from “do you think heavy fines and/or imprisonment for returning from India is reasonable when these penalties were not imposed on those returning from Europe or the USA under similar circumstances?”

possibly putting two propositions like that inclining a reader to compare them might add some force to the reader trying to resolve them, though possibly they are incomparable

you know everyone shall have a job, and nobody shall work against anything and everything being comparable

Boat-people, eh…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/queensland-coronavirus-ship-polaris-3-townsville-crewman-test/100107850

“Around 5,000 people ditched face coverings and social distancing rules in the name of science and music.

They attended the outdoor event having tested negative for COVID-19, and promised to get themselves tested again five days after the festival.

Their data will be used by the government’s Events Research Programme to help understand the effect of crowds on the spread of the virus.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/english-music-festival-tests-whether-covid-would-spread/100111524

Michael V said:

“Around 5,000 people ditched face coverings and social distancing rules in the name of science and music.

They attended the outdoor event having tested negative for COVID-19, and promised to get themselves tested again five days after the festival.

Their data will be used by the government’s Events Research Programme to help understand the effect of crowds on the spread of the virus.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/english-music-festival-tests-whether-covid-would-spread/100111524

It’s the finest exceptionalism lives can buy ¡

“Evidence from the other 7000000000 humans has no external validity and can’t be applied to us. We need home grown research to prove what happens in our unique British context. Interpolating from other places just doesn’t cut it.”

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

which would make this opening par redundant

A new poll shows only one in three voters believe the federal government should do more to help stranded Australians return home during the coronavirus pandemic, while an overwhelming majority are happy with how Australia has tackled the health crisis so far.

I love how the media works.

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

The 6 o’clock hotel hours were a good example of this. It asked something like:
1) Leave hours unchanged at 6pm
2) Extend hours to 9pm
3) Extend hours to 10pm
The later hours combined polled more than the 6pm but individually 6pm was the winner.

republic or monarchy

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes Prime Minister sketch on wording surveys to get the answer you want comes to mind.

The 6 o’clock hotel hours were a good example of this. It asked something like:
1) Leave hours unchanged at 6pm
2) Extend hours to 9pm
3) Extend hours to 10pm
The later hours combined polled more than the 6pm but individually 6pm was the winner.

republic or monarchy

Another good example.
Many people wanted a republic but not one with a govt appointed Pres.

ChrispenEvan said:

Yeah…

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

I wonder what benefit there might be from leaving India for a third country and quarantining there for 14 days and then flying back to Oz.

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

The government should lease a number of planes and pilots, get everyone out from India and if necessary have a tent city adjacent to the airport to quarantine them.
It was a bit dumb to fly to India in recent times as opposed to being stuck there since the beginning though so maybe those ones help pay towards the costs.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

I wonder what benefit there might be from leaving India for a third country and quarantining there for 14 days and then flying back to Oz.

Was that so they could get back into Australia as opposed to not being allowed back at all if direct from India

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

I wonder what benefit there might be from leaving India for a third country and quarantining there for 14 days and then flying back to Oz.

Is there any other country that will take them? If you are an Australian citizen trying to enter a third country from India they might not let you in, quite reasonably so too, it is Australia’s responsibility to look after its own citizens.

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

I wonder what benefit there might be from leaving India for a third country and quarantining there for 14 days and then flying back to Oz.

Was that so they could get back into Australia as opposed to not being allowed back at all if direct from India

Yeah. If you were in a vulnerable group i’d guess a third country without an overwhelmed health system might be preferable to staying in India.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

The government should lease a number of planes and pilots, get everyone out from India and if necessary have a tent city adjacent to the airport to quarantine them.
It was a bit dumb to fly to India in recent times as opposed to being stuck there since the beginning though so maybe those ones help pay towards the costs.

I’m 100% confident we could – And it would escape Quarantine and spread it into the community.

Rule 303 said:

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

The government should lease a number of planes and pilots, get everyone out from India and if necessary have a tent city adjacent to the airport to quarantine them.
It was a bit dumb to fly to India in recent times as opposed to being stuck there since the beginning though so maybe those ones help pay towards the costs.

I’m 100% confident we could – And it would escape Quarantine and spread it into the community.

What about a thermobaric bomb on stand by

Rule 303 said:

And it would escape Quarantine and spread it into the community.

A matter of ‘when’, not ‘if’.

Cymek said:

Rule 303 said:

Cymek said:

The government should lease a number of planes and pilots, get everyone out from India and if necessary have a tent city adjacent to the airport to quarantine them.
It was a bit dumb to fly to India in recent times as opposed to being stuck there since the beginning though so maybe those ones help pay towards the costs.

I’m 100% confident we could – And it would escape Quarantine and spread it into the community.

What about a thermobaric bomb on stand by

Seems a lot of trouble to go to….

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

And it would escape Quarantine and spread it into the community.

A matter of ‘when’, not ‘if’.

At the first staff shift change is when.

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

And it would escape Quarantine and spread it into the community.

A matter of ‘when’, not ‘if’.

At the first staff shift change is when.

Plus Randall Flagg will be trying to help it escape

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

5 years jail seems a bit harsh.

What are the people stuck in India supposed to do? Just tough it out in a terrible situation that is getting worse by the day?

I wonder what benefit there might be from leaving India for a third country and quarantining there for 14 days and then flying back to Oz.

Was that so they could get back into Australia as opposed to not being allowed back at all if direct from India

Well let’s add it all up, life is priceless as some people say, so what’s $66k and 5 years of serviced accommodation compared to a 25% chance of dying ¿ It’s not a hard decision sheesh,

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SM:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/scotland-s-cry-of-freedom-that-just-won-t-go-away-20210430-p57nyo.html

It does seem a shame that Scotland could not shut down its border. Aussie states could. (Some regions got shut down later on in the show.)

fortunately the “in pseudemocracies we can’t force people to do or not do anything” lies at the federal level worked out for Australians, and despite Marketing tantrums individual states were able to run their own better pandemic control strategies without being forced

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SM:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/scotland-s-cry-of-freedom-that-just-won-t-go-away-20210430-p57nyo.html

It does seem a shame that Scotland could not shut down its border. Aussie states could. (Some regions got shut down later on in the show.)

fortunately the “in pseudemocracies we can’t force people to do or not do anything” lies at the federal level worked out for Australians, and despite Marketing tantrums individual states were able to run their own better pandemic control strategies without being forced

Australia is a Federation, the UK is a unitary state. The UK central government and parliament can overrule any other regional or provincial government. In a federation the powers are divided and there are certain areas outside of the central govt’s domain.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

It does seem a shame that Scotland could not shut down its border. Aussie states could. (Some regions got shut down later on in the show.)

fortunately the “in pseudemocracies we can’t force people to do or not do anything” lies at the federal level worked out for Australians, and despite Marketing tantrums individual states were able to run their own better pandemic control strategies without being forced

Australia is a Federation, the UK is a unitary state. The UK central government and parliament can overrule any other regional or provincial government. In a federation the powers are divided and there are certain areas outside of the central govt’s domain.

And I think we benefitted from it.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

fortunately the “in pseudemocracies we can’t force people to do or not do anything” lies at the federal level worked out for Australians, and despite Marketing tantrums individual states were able to run their own better pandemic control strategies without being forced

Australia is a Federation, the UK is a unitary state. The UK central government and parliament can overrule any other regional or provincial government. In a federation the powers are divided and there are certain areas outside of the central govt’s domain.

And I think we benefitted from it.

thankfully

but then again here’s how our 3rd nearest federation is going so yeah

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

fortunately the “in pseudemocracies we can’t force people to do or not do anything” lies at the federal level worked out for Australians, and despite Marketing tantrums individual states were able to run their own better pandemic control strategies without being forced

Australia is a Federation, the UK is a unitary state. The UK central government and parliament can overrule any other regional or provincial government. In a federation the powers are divided and there are certain areas outside of the central govt’s domain.

And I think we benefitted from it.

Whereas the USA, which is in a similar situation (a Union) did not.

I think we benefitted from the vast majority of Australians taking their responsibilities in this matter very seriously.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Australia is a Federation, the UK is a unitary state. The UK central government and parliament can overrule any other regional or provincial government. In a federation the powers are divided and there are certain areas outside of the central govt’s domain.

And I think we benefitted from it.

Whereas the USA, which is in a similar situation (a Union) did not.

I think we benefitted from the vast majority of Australians taking their responsibilities in this matter very seriously.

Yes, it kept the flu rate down for almost a year.

Why India’s Outbreak Is a Threat to the World

The coronavirus surge that is lashing India, where countless funeral pyres cloud the night skies, is more than just a humanitarian disaster: Experts say uncontrolled outbreaks like India’s also threaten to prolong the pandemic by allowing more dangerous virus variants to mutate, spread and possibly evade vaccines.

The United States will begin restricting travel from India later this week, but similar limitations on air travel from China that President Trump imposed in the early days of the pandemic proved to be ineffectual.

“We can ban all the flights we want but there is literally zero way we can keep these highly contagious variants out of our country,” said Dr. Ashish Jha, the dean of the Brown University School of Public Health.

With 44 percent of adults having received at least one dose, the United States has made great strides vaccinating its citizens, though experts say the country is far from reaching so-called herd immunity, when the virus can’t spread easily because it can’t find enough hosts. Vaccine hesitancy remains a formidable threat to reaching that threshold.

In much of the world, however, vaccines are still hard to come by, especially in poorer countries. In India, less than 2 percent of the population has been fully vaccinated. “If we want to put this pandemic behind us, we can’t let the virus run wild in other parts of the world,” Dr. Jha said.

Preliminary evidence suggests that the vaccines are effective against the variants, although slightly less so against some.

“For now, the vaccines remain effective, but there is a trend toward less effectiveness,” said Dr. Céline Gounder, an infectious disease physician and epidemiologist at Bellevue Hospital in New York.

Vaccine makers say they are poised to develop booster shots that would tackle especially troublesome variants, but such a fix would be of little help to poorer nations already struggling to obtain the existing vaccines. Experts say the best way to head off the emergence of dangerous variants is to tamp down new infections and immunize most of humanity as quickly as possible.

Dr. Michael Diamond, a viral immunologist at Washington University in St. Louis, said that the longer the coronavirus circulates, the more time it has to mutate, which could eventually threaten vaccinated people; the only way to break the cycle is to ensure countries like India get enough vaccines.

“In order to stop this pandemic, we have to vaccinate the whole world,” Dr. Diamond said. “There will be new waves of infection over and over again unless we vaccinate at a global scale.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/why-india-s-outbreak-is-a-threat-to-the-world/ar-BB1gipQg?ocid=msedgntp

Slats not happy

The Académie Française, guardian of the French language, has said a big non to le covid. Not to the actual disease, but to the use of the masculine definite article “le”.

While many in France have been referring to “le Covid”, the so-called “Immortals” who make up the academy have ruled otherwise. Covid, they insist, is most definitely feminine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/le-la-covid-coronavirus-acronym-feminine-academie-francaise-france

dv said:

The Académie Française, guardian of the French language, has said a big non to le covid. Not to the actual disease, but to the use of the masculine definite article “le”.

While many in France have been referring to “le Covid”, the so-called “Immortals” who make up the academy have ruled otherwise. Covid, they insist, is most definitely feminine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/le-la-covid-coronavirus-acronym-feminine-academie-francaise-france

Great. That’s all we need. It’s not going viral, or bacterial, or even fungal… It’s going hormonal.

Are any hospitals using those fart proof undies for flue people?

How effective are they?

Would they reduce COVID fart aerosols?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are any hospitals using those fart proof undies for flue people?

How effective are they?

Would they reduce COVID fart aerosols?

filtered arseflue?

ChrispenEvan said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/04/scott-morrison-lectured-the-states-against-snap-border-closures-now-hes-done-exactly-that

Katharine Murphy

The reality is the government is fully intent on masking its own lack of preparation. There’s also an irony here

fixed

The reality is the government is fully intent on masking its own lack of preparation. But not its healthcare and quarantine workers¡

Anyone installing primers for p traps ?

https://static.straitstimes.com.sg/s3fs-public/press_release_-_5_new_cases_of_locally_transmitted_covid-19_infection_4_may.pdf

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

For those interested in such things, cricket guy Mike Hussey has tested positive to Covid.

Is he in India?

Yes

All I can say is that they all knew the risks.

No worries, this event should be all fine and dandy then.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/tokyo-olympics-hypothetical-questions-athletes-should-be-asking/100116448

They’re even making sure that the sports crew are vaccinated before essential workers, so that they can all go there and select up the vaccine resistant strains to bring back and fuck everything else up¡

COVID-19, the global test of stupidity that everyone is still passing with first class honours¡

They’ve already had two booked flights home cancelled, and the government’s ban has added more uncertainty.

Surely in général a ban would increase certainty.

from your ABC https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/covid-19-cases-from-india-in-nsw-hotel-quarantine-lower-than-us/100115546

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-willingness-survey/100116166

Professor Biddle said the pauses in the Oxford-AstraZeneca rollout didn’t appear to turn the population against vaccines, but rather made people have questions about certain types of vaccine. “It’s not that the announcement or some of the discussion that’s gone along with it, that has made people resistant to get a vaccine in general. It’s made them concerned about a specific vaccine that’s available to them,” he said. “We can certainly take some comfort that people can be reassured, if people can see the vaccine is safe and effective.”

So fucking get a safe and effective vaccine, not a “causes unusual clotting deaths” and “effectiveness of 10% against B.1.351” vaccine. Simple solution.

The study found almost two-thirds of people think the Government’s vaccine rollout is not being handled well. Student Stephanie Tran agreed. “They could have done a better job, there are still frontline workers who don’t have access to the vaccine yet,” Ms Tran told the ABC.

No shit, but don’t forget we’re going to shoot our athletes and send them to a big international meeting with lots of heavy breathing when the airborne virus is still going strong.

Associate professor Holly Seale, an expert in public health, said Australia should be putting out more creative material to better connect with the groups who are hesitant.

Perhaps but here’s a radical thought, if you can actually show that you’re delivering a safe and effective vaccine (instead of a “causes unusual clotting deaths” and “effectiveness of 10% against B.1.351” vaccine) then people are going to be less hesitant¡ Just a radical thought, no peer-reviewed randomised controlled study to prove it so it’s probably wrong.

I wonder how this occurred.

“NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state has recorded one new case of locally acquired COVID-19.

The man who has tested positive is in his 50s and has been active in Sydney’s inner east.

More to come.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/covid-19-nsw-gladys-berejiklian-announces-one-new-case/100117408

Michael V said:

I wonder how this occurred.

“NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state has recorded one new case of locally acquired COVID-19.

The man who has tested positive is in his 50s and has been active in Sydney’s inner east.

More to come.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/covid-19-nsw-gladys-berejiklian-announces-one-new-case/100117408

well there have been any number of leaks and almost certainly some of them will have generated secondaries so could be anything

but let’s see that “gold standard” shit fix this up then, prove you’re up to the task NSW, not like those Labor hippies in QLDVICWANTACT and NZ of course

Seems like this bloke likes a bit of barbecue

dv said:

Seems like this bloke likes a bit of barbecue

Likes a good spy thriller too

dv said:

Seems like this bloke likes a bit of barbecue

bbq galore had the right bbq for him.

COVID has killed more than one million people. How many more will die?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02762-y

How deadly is the coronavirus? Scientists are close to an answer
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2

Tau.Neutrino said:

COVID has killed more than one million people. How many more will die?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02762-y

That article is from last October. Over 2 million deaths now.

yes the figures have gone up a bit more since then

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Tau.Neutrino said:

yes the figures have gone up a bit more since then

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Shit I was also months out of date. Make that +3.2 million.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

yes the figures have gone up a bit more since then

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Shit I was also months out of date. Make that +3.2 million.

Worldometers has a higher number than Johns Hopkins (might have been updated a bit later).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Anyone who wants a bit of reading: The Australian “where are we up to now” stuff for COVID19

https://covid19evidence.net.au/

oooh can we deport him there please

fly there and stay there please please

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/michael-slater-takes-aim-scott-morrison-india-travel-ban/100119572

oh fuck this is new

and possibly very good

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-06/joe-biden-supports-waiver-of-covid-19-vaccine-ip/100119704

This week, Hungary has been knocked off the top of the worst places to visit/live by Uruguay.

India has gone up from 62nd worst to 55th worst.
USA has dropped from 60th worst to 64th worst.
Russia has dropped to 60th worst.
France is at 35th worst.
Brazil is still 7th worst.
South America and Eastern Europe still dominate all the top spots.

Dr Jeannette Young says the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) believes the case of the 66-year-old with blood clots is related to his AstraZeneca vaccine.

Flutracking is asking for volunteers for the 2021 flu season.
https://www.flutracking.net/join/AE/inv64

mollwollfumble said:

Flutracking is asking for volunteers for the 2021 flu season.
https://www.flutracking.net/join/AE/inv64

What materials are suitable for making a rack for your fluts?

mollwollfumble said:

This week, Hungary has been knocked off the top of the worst places to visit/live by Uruguay.

India has gone up from 62nd worst to 55th worst.
USA has dropped from 60th worst to 64th worst.
Russia has dropped to 60th worst.
France is at 35th worst.
Brazil is still 7th worst.
South America and Eastern Europe still dominate all the top spots.

I wish I could plot the full data on a map.
The latest version of Excel will do it, but not my Excel 2010.

COVID live updates: TGA confirms five new AstraZeneca blood clotting cases in the last week

SCIENCE said:

COVID live updates: TGA confirms five new AstraZeneca blood clotting cases in the last week

That’s gotta be changing the stats.

SCIENCE said:

COVID live updates: TGA confirms five new AstraZeneca blood clotting cases in the last week

Yeah, saw that. It it not looking great.

this one is probably Sinopharm’s fault, AstraZeneca would have protected them completely

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-04/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-reintroduces-curbs-as-cases-surge

Seychelles, which has fully vaccinated more of its population against the coronavirus than any other country, has closed schools and canceled sporting activities for two weeks as infections surge.

The measures, which include bans on the intermingling of households and the early closure of bars, come even as the country has fully vaccinated more than 60% of its adult population with two doses of Covid-19 vaccines. The curbs are similar to those last imposed at the end of 2020.

“Despite of all the exceptional efforts we are making, the Covid-19 situation in our country is critical right now, with many daily cases reported last week,” Peggy Vidot, the nation’s health minister, said at a press conference Tuesday.

The Indian Ocean archipelago, which has a population of about 98,000, is dependent on tourism for much of its foreign exchange and acted quickly to begin vaccinations in January using a donation of Chinese vaccines from the United Arab Emirates. It has procured other vaccines since.

By April 12, 59% of the doses administered were Sinopharm vaccines and the rest were Covishield, a version of AstraZeneca Plc’s shot made under license in India.

To date 62.2% of its population is fully vaccinated, according to the Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker. That compares with 55.9% for Israel, the next most vaccinated nation.

Other nations that have vaccinated large portions of their populations have seen Covid cases plunge. In the U.K., where 52% of people have a first dose, cases are down 96% from a recent high in January. In Israel, where 60% have had at least one dose, new cases are down 99%.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-06/tga-blood-clots-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-hospital/100121336

It doesn’t seem like the risk is one in a million.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-06/tga-blood-clots-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-hospital/100121336

It doesn’t seem like the risk is one in a million.

The risk of clots is higher than that but the risk of fatality from clots might be in that order

Divine Angel said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-06/tga-blood-clots-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-hospital/100121336

It doesn’t seem like the risk is one in a million.

they’ve previously said 3 in 1M so 11 in 3.5M would seem about correct, except we’re only at 2.5M, not all of them have had time to clot up yet, and not all of those have been AstraZeneca

so they’re still lying*

*: obviously they could just be representing the information they had available earlier, and only now that they’ve done a semi ethical experiment on Australians do we have clearer data, but … yeah right

IMO the real issue is that the govt are spending tons of money trying to convince us that the AZ is ok for over 50s, then have someone say “well of course we’re going to see blood clots in over 50s, they’re the only ones getting the AZ vax!”

Divine Angel said:

IMO the real issue is that the govt are spending tons of money trying to convince us that the AZ is ok for over 50s, then have someone say “well of course we’re going to see blood clots in over 50s, they’re the only ones getting the AZ vax!”

Seems part of it, not all though.

Situation as far as we can tell is:

• COVID-19 risk of death 1 in 100
• AstraZeneca vaccine avoids above risks, but itself has risk of death 1 in 1000000
• Pfizer vaccine avoids above risks, but has unquantified risk of death (none identified*)
• (also, AstraZeneca vaccine will block 10% of future COVID-19 transmission, while Pfizer vaccine will block 60%)
• (also also, these aren’t once-offs — by now reinfection is well recognised, and evolutionary vaccine breakthrough is anticipated to lead to recurrent vaccination, for example, annually)

*: have a look through https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008e3.htm for yourselves but it basically throws out a “causes of death were consistent with background all-cause mortality and did not indicate any unexpected pattern that might suggest a causal relationship with vaccination”

So keeping it simple you have a bad thing, a not particularly bad thing at all, and an apparently completely safe thing.

The powers that be have done this:

• pretty much stopped the bad thing (so, pretty good)
• got us a bit of the completely safe thing (again, pretty good)
• signed up for shitloads of the slightly bad thing

So, what should they do / have done¿

• insist that the slightly bad thing is completely safe (it isn’t), just fucking take it
• tell us the slightly bad thing isn’t worse than normal life being slightly bad (hint: it still adds), and it’s completely effective (it isn’t), so shut up because they’re not pushing it too hard, they’re not protesting too much, wethink
• acknowledge that the slightly bad thing is slightly bad, but much better than the bad thing, so they would recommend it but speak to your medical practitioner and weigh up your own risk/reward cost/benefit call
• arrange supply of more completely safe thing so we don’t need the slightly bad thing
• dump the slightly bad thing on second-rate citizens / humans like old people, or ethnics overseas

Note: not all above are mutually exclusive.

Also these aren’t the only ways the “leaders” messed up here, for example

• being way behind the schedule they promised (you know our opinion on this, it’s more important to keep COVID-19 out than to rush clots in)
• criminalising homecoming instead of building better quarantine
• vacillating and bickering (between and within levels of government) over initial infection control measures

surely that’s enough for now.

SCIENCE said:

oh fuck this is new

and possibly very good

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-06/joe-biden-supports-waiver-of-covid-19-vaccine-ip/100119704

Nah as with any good thing Australian “leaders” would rather be followers.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/biden-administration-backs-covid-vaccines-patent-waiver-20210506-p57pal.html

Prime Minister Scott Morrison described the decision as “tremendous news”, but did not directly respond to questions about whether his government would follow suit.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/no-time-to-wait-as-world-debates-vaccine-justice-20210506-p57pdz.html

Australia’s position is unclear. Publicly, Trade Minister Dan Tehan and his department deny that Australia has opposed or stymied the proposal to free up the vaccines. But behind the scenes at the WTO, Australia continues to raise concerns about the proposal, maintaining we cannot support a plan until our questions – including the common law implications – are answered.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

IMO the real issue is that the govt are spending tons of money trying to convince us that the AZ is ok for over 50s, then have someone say “well of course we’re going to see blood clots in over 50s, they’re the only ones getting the AZ vax!”

Seems part of it, not all though.

Situation as far as we can tell is:

• COVID-19 risk of death 1 in 100
• AstraZeneca vaccine avoids above risks, but itself has risk of death 1 in 1000000
• Pfizer vaccine avoids above risks, but has unquantified risk of death (none identified*)
• (also, AstraZeneca vaccine will block 10% of future COVID-19 transmission, while Pfizer vaccine will block 60%)
• (also also, these aren’t once-offs — by now reinfection is well recognised, and evolutionary vaccine breakthrough is anticipated to lead to recurrent vaccination, for example, annually)

*: have a look through https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008e3.htm for yourselves but it basically throws out a “causes of death were consistent with background all-cause mortality and did not indicate any unexpected pattern that might suggest a causal relationship with vaccination”

So keeping it simple you have a bad thing, a not particularly bad thing at all, and an apparently completely safe thing.

The powers that be have done this:

• pretty much stopped the bad thing (so, pretty good)
• got us a bit of the completely safe thing (again, pretty good)
• signed up for shitloads of the slightly bad thing

So, what should they do / have done¿

• insist that the slightly bad thing is completely safe (it isn’t), just fucking take it
• tell us the slightly bad thing isn’t worse than normal life being slightly bad (hint: it still adds), and it’s completely effective (it isn’t), so shut up because they’re not pushing it too hard, they’re not protesting too much, wethink
• acknowledge that the slightly bad thing is slightly bad, but much better than the bad thing, so they would recommend it but speak to your medical practitioner and weigh up your own risk/reward cost/benefit call
• arrange supply of more completely safe thing so we don’t need the slightly bad thing
• dump the slightly bad thing on second-rate citizens / humans like old people, or ethnics overseas

Note: not all above are mutually exclusive.

Also these aren’t the only ways the “leaders” messed up here, for example

• being way behind the schedule they promised (you know our opinion on this, it’s more important to keep COVID-19 out than to rush clots in)
• criminalising homecoming instead of building better quarantine
• vacillating and bickering (between and within levels of government) over initial infection control measures

surely that’s enough for now.

AZ has proven it’s effectiveness in the real world.
The UK had 1 death the other day compared with European countries that are still having them in the hundreds. It works, the detractors are mainly in it for the politics.

There’s That 95% Failing To Hit 100%

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2021/may/05/world-renowned-infectious-disease-expert-dr-rajendra-kapila-dies-at-81-of-covid-19-2298783.html

Dr Rajendra Kapila, a world-renowned infectious disease expert, succumbed to the coronavirus in New Delhi on April 28, it has emerged. The Rutgers University professor, known for his extensive works on HIV-AIDS, was 81 years of age, reported the Hindustan Times. Dr Kapila and his wife Dr Deepti Saxena Kapila had got both the doses of the Pfizer vaccine in the US. The couple had returned to India in March and stayed in Ghaziabad. He was supposed to return to the US in the second week of April but had to be hospitalised in Delhi after testing positive for Covid.

Peak Warming Man said:

AZ has proven it’s effectiveness in the real world.
The UK had 1 death the other day compared with European countries that are still having them in the hundreds. It works, the detractors are mainly in it for the politics.

true, in combination with prolonged lockdown and mandatory masking, an otherwise ineffective vaccine demonstrates proven effectiveness

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

AZ has proven it’s effectiveness in the real world.
The UK had 1 death the other day compared with European countries that are still having them in the hundreds. It works, the detractors are mainly in it for the politics.

true, in combination with prolonged lockdown and mandatory masking, an otherwise ineffective vaccine demonstrates proven effectiveness

It’s very effective.

SCIENCE said:

• criminalising homecoming instead of building better quarantine
  

there’s been a shitfight over repatriation flights but apparently

Stand By For 1000 Ruby Princesses

Radical Idea for the day: prepare some spare / surge capacity in quarantine for this tidelike wave.

https://www.ft.com/content/cf40d764-6ab6-4638-bea6-594cc3cd5d53

India’s huge wave of Covid-19 infections has hit the international shipping industry, which relies on the country for seafarers, as crews come down with the disease and ports deny entry to vessels.

Industry executives also said that crews coming from India were testing positive for Covid-19 on ships, despite quarantining and testing negative before boarding. “Earlier we had ships that were infected with one or two people,” said Rajesh Unni, chief executive of Singapore-based Synergy Marine Group, which provides ship crew. “Today, we have a scenario where whole ships are being infected very quickly . . . which means the ships themselves are immobilised.”

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

• criminalising homecoming instead of building better quarantine
  

there’s been a shitfight over repatriation flights but apparently

Stand By For 1000 Ruby Princesses

Radical Idea for the day: prepare some spare / surge capacity in quarantine for this tidelike wave.

https://www.ft.com/content/cf40d764-6ab6-4638-bea6-594cc3cd5d53

India’s huge wave of Covid-19 infections has hit the international shipping industry, which relies on the country for seafarers, as crews come down with the disease and ports deny entry to vessels.

Industry executives also said that crews coming from India were testing positive for Covid-19 on ships, despite quarantining and testing negative before boarding. “Earlier we had ships that were infected with one or two people,” said Rajesh Unni, chief executive of Singapore-based Synergy Marine Group, which provides ship crew. “Today, we have a scenario where whole ships are being infected very quickly . . . which means the ships themselves are immobilised.”

this redirect might work better

https://t.co/B6OvjWvEqx?amp=1

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

• criminalising homecoming instead of building better quarantine
  

there’s been a shitfight over repatriation flights but apparently

Stand By For 1000 Ruby Princesses

Radical Idea for the day: prepare some spare / surge capacity in quarantine for this tidelike wave.

https://www.ft.com/content/cf40d764-6ab6-4638-bea6-594cc3cd5d53

India’s huge wave of Covid-19 infections has hit the international shipping industry, which relies on the country for seafarers, as crews come down with the disease and ports deny entry to vessels.

Industry executives also said that crews coming from India were testing positive for Covid-19 on ships, despite quarantining and testing negative before boarding. “Earlier we had ships that were infected with one or two people,” said Rajesh Unni, chief executive of Singapore-based Synergy Marine Group, which provides ship crew. “Today, we have a scenario where whole ships are being infected very quickly . . . which means the ships themselves are immobilised.”

Oy vey, more international supply chain shocks!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57013096

Covid: Germany rejects US-backed proposal to waive vaccine patents

dv said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57013096

Covid: Germany rejects US-backed proposal to waive vaccine patents

guess BioNTech is like their Australian Big Coal or something

If they keep this shit up the US will end up leader of the free world again

dv said:

If they keep this shit up the US will end up leader of the free world again

Bugger!

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

If they keep this shit up the US will end up leader of the free world again

Bugger!

What do you mean?

It’ll be great.

Again.

yeah we actually did have respect for Joe’s call on it

The hospital lady told me not to have the Covid shot before the operation since it’s less than two weeks away. And not to have it until at least two weeks after the operation. But I’ve heard nothing about Covid shots being locally available yet for the likes of me.

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

If they keep this shit up the US will end up leader of the free world again

Bugger!

What do you mean?

It’ll be great.

Again.

And we all know who will want to claim the glory for that…

Bubblecar said:

The hospital lady told me not to have the Covid shot before the operation since it’s less than two weeks away. And not to have it until at least two weeks after the operation. But I’ve heard nothing about Covid shots being locally available yet for the likes of me.

Over 50s are now eligible. Your local GP may or may not be a COVID vaccination clinic. Ours is. We are “on the list”. You may have to put your name “on the list”. At ours you aren’t “on the list” unless you request it. Then, when they have some vaccine sent to them, they start calling people in from “the list”.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

The hospital lady told me not to have the Covid shot before the operation since it’s less than two weeks away. And not to have it until at least two weeks after the operation. But I’ve heard nothing about Covid shots being locally available yet for the likes of me.

Over 50s are now eligible. Your local GP may or may not be a COVID vaccination clinic. Ours is. We are “on the list”. You may have to put your name “on the list”. At ours you aren’t “on the list” unless you request it. Then, when they have some vaccine sent to them, they start calling people in from “the list”.

we all know that lists can be both good and bad…

Arts said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

The hospital lady told me not to have the Covid shot before the operation since it’s less than two weeks away. And not to have it until at least two weeks after the operation. But I’ve heard nothing about Covid shots being locally available yet for the likes of me.

Over 50s are now eligible. Your local GP may or may not be a COVID vaccination clinic. Ours is. We are “on the list”. You may have to put your name “on the list”. At ours you aren’t “on the list” unless you request it. Then, when they have some vaccine sent to them, they start calling people in from “the list”.

we all know that lists can be both good and bad…

They are not good in boats.

Arts said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

The hospital lady told me not to have the Covid shot before the operation since it’s less than two weeks away. And not to have it until at least two weeks after the operation. But I’ve heard nothing about Covid shots being locally available yet for the likes of me.

Over 50s are now eligible. Your local GP may or may not be a COVID vaccination clinic. Ours is. We are “on the list”. You may have to put your name “on the list”. At ours you aren’t “on the list” unless you request it. Then, when they have some vaccine sent to them, they start calling people in from “the list”.

we all know that lists can be both good and bad…

I’m not sure how they are triaging. I did tell the ladies I was not urgent and that they should prioritize sick people ahead of me. But put me on the list anyway because at some point I will need it.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

The hospital lady told me not to have the Covid shot before the operation since it’s less than two weeks away. And not to have it until at least two weeks after the operation. But I’ve heard nothing about Covid shots being locally available yet for the likes of me.

Over 50s are now eligible. Your local GP may or may not be a COVID vaccination clinic. Ours is. We are “on the list”. You may have to put your name “on the list”. At ours you aren’t “on the list” unless you request it. Then, when they have some vaccine sent to them, they start calling people in from “the list”.

They cancelled mine this morning as I am over 50 and it was the Pfizer vaccine they were using
I don’t care which one they use but choose the very convenient location which is a 5 minute walk from work
Now its an out of the way visit to the hospital were I live so I’m going to wait and see if something else turns up

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/asia/indonesia-airport-reuse-nasal-swabs-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

Up to 10,000 airline passengers may have been tested for coronavirus with reused nasal swabs in a scam that netted thousands of dollars for the perpetrators, according to Indonesian police.

Five employees for major Indonesian pharmaceutical company Kimia Farma were arrested on April 27 for allegedly washing and repackaging rapid antigen nasal swab kits, and using them on passengers at the Kualanamu International Airport in Medan, North Sumatra.

SCIENCE said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/asia/indonesia-airport-reuse-nasal-swabs-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

Up to 10,000 airline passengers may have been tested for coronavirus with reused nasal swabs in a scam that netted thousands of dollars for the perpetrators, according to Indonesian police.

Five employees for major Indonesian pharmaceutical company Kimia Farma were arrested on April 27 for allegedly washing and repackaging rapid antigen nasal swab kits, and using them on passengers at the Kualanamu International Airport in Medan, North Sumatra.

Jesus wept.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/asia/indonesia-airport-reuse-nasal-swabs-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

Up to 10,000 airline passengers may have been tested for coronavirus with reused nasal swabs in a scam that netted thousands of dollars for the perpetrators, according to Indonesian police.

Five employees for major Indonesian pharmaceutical company Kimia Farma were arrested on April 27 for allegedly washing and repackaging rapid antigen nasal swab kits, and using them on passengers at the Kualanamu International Airport in Medan, North Sumatra.

Jesus wept.

Yeah what people will do to make money

SCIENCE said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/asia/indonesia-airport-reuse-nasal-swabs-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

Up to 10,000 airline passengers may have been tested for coronavirus with reused nasal swabs in a scam that netted thousands of dollars for the perpetrators, according to Indonesian police.

Five employees for major Indonesian pharmaceutical company Kimia Farma were arrested on April 27 for allegedly washing and repackaging rapid antigen nasal swab kits, and using them on passengers at the Kualanamu International Airport in Medan, North Sumatra.

How awful.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/asia/indonesia-airport-reuse-nasal-swabs-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

Up to 10,000 airline passengers may have been tested for coronavirus with reused nasal swabs in a scam that netted thousands of dollars for the perpetrators, according to Indonesian police.

Five employees for major Indonesian pharmaceutical company Kimia Farma were arrested on April 27 for allegedly washing and repackaging rapid antigen nasal swab kits, and using them on passengers at the Kualanamu International Airport in Medan, North Sumatra.

How awful.

relates to the words;
depravity and the depth one can take it to.

OMG THEY OVERREACTED

NSW has recorded no new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 on the first full day of restrictions introduced for Greater Sydney after two infections were detected earlier this week.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-07/nsw-records-zero-covid-19-cases/100123206

NSW Health said check-in compliance was not satisfactory and anyone who was there at this time must get tested immediately and self-isolate until they receive a negative result. “This highlights the need for everyone in NSW to check in and out of every venue you visit, as this allows NSW Health to complete rapid contact tracing when required,” a spokesperson said. Minister for Digital and Customer Service, Victor Dominello, yesterday said people across Sydney had become complacent with checking in and reminded people it “only takes seconds” to do.

having been up in NSW recently can confirm it’s pretty quick and easy

“Don’t change what you are doing on Mother’s Day — if you are welcoming people into your home, limit it to 20, then if someone does have the virus it only spreads to those 20 people,” Ms Berejiklian told the Nine Network.

“at most” might be better but fine, we’ll see, there’s still tomorrow

More interesting out there stuff.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/two-pandemics-clash-as-doctors-find-that-covid-spurs-diabetes

Considered exclusively a lung disease in the early days of the pandemic, Covid-19 is increasingly recognized for its ability to ravage multiple organs and bodily systems, causing persistent and sometimes debilitating symptoms in 1 in 10 sufferers months after their apparent recovery.

Al-Aly had also gone digging into the scientific literature and was starting to come to terms with an alarming reality: Covid-19 isn’t just deadlier for people with diabetes, it’s also triggering the metabolic disease in many who didn’t previously have it. Al-Aly and colleagues were the first to measure the effect in the U.S. based on evidence from the national health-care databases of the Department of Veterans Affairs. They found that Covid survivors were about 39% more likely to have a new diabetes diagnosis in the six months after infection than non-infected users of the VA health system. The risk works out to about 6.5 additional diabetes cases for every 1,000 Covid patients who don’t end up in the hospital. For those who do, the probability jumps to 37 per 1,000 — and it’s even higher for patients who required intensive care.

They found one in five new pediatric type-2 cases last year required hospitalization for diabetic ketoacidosis, a dangerous buildup of acid in the blood due to inadequate insulin supply. By contrast, only 3% of new patients faced this life-threatening problem in 2019. While none of the children in 2020 had active Covid-19, doctors weren’t systematically testing for a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection. Of those who were tested, a third were positive. “Could that explain some of the increase? We really just don’t know,” said Lily Chao, interim medical diabetes director at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles. “But that is one thing that is going through the back of our heads.”

SCIENCE said:

More interesting out there stuff.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/two-pandemics-clash-as-doctors-find-that-covid-spurs-diabetes

Considered exclusively a lung disease in the early days of the pandemic, Covid-19 is increasingly recognized for its ability to ravage multiple organs and bodily systems, causing persistent and sometimes debilitating symptoms in 1 in 10 sufferers months after their apparent recovery.

Al-Aly had also gone digging into the scientific literature and was starting to come to terms with an alarming reality: Covid-19 isn’t just deadlier for people with diabetes, it’s also triggering the metabolic disease in many who didn’t previously have it. Al-Aly and colleagues were the first to measure the effect in the U.S. based on evidence from the national health-care databases of the Department of Veterans Affairs. They found that Covid survivors were about 39% more likely to have a new diabetes diagnosis in the six months after infection than non-infected users of the VA health system. The risk works out to about 6.5 additional diabetes cases for every 1,000 Covid patients who don’t end up in the hospital. For those who do, the probability jumps to 37 per 1,000 — and it’s even higher for patients who required intensive care.

They found one in five new pediatric type-2 cases last year required hospitalization for diabetic ketoacidosis, a dangerous buildup of acid in the blood due to inadequate insulin supply. By contrast, only 3% of new patients faced this life-threatening problem in 2019. While none of the children in 2020 had active Covid-19, doctors weren’t systematically testing for a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection. Of those who were tested, a third were positive. “Could that explain some of the increase? We really just don’t know,” said Lily Chao, interim medical diabetes director at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles. “But that is one thing that is going through the back of our heads.”

Getting smarter aren’t they, could outsmart us humans and wipe us out

Arterial events, venous thromboembolism, thrombocytopenia, and bleeding after vaccination with Oxford-AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway: population based cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/05/thrombosis-and-bleeding-after-the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

Michael V said:

Arterial events, venous thromboembolism, thrombocytopenia, and bleeding after vaccination with Oxford-AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway: population based cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/05/thrombosis-and-bleeding-after-the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

I’m getting the AZ jab tomorrow. If I die I will come back and haunt the forum.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Arterial events, venous thromboembolism, thrombocytopenia, and bleeding after vaccination with Oxford-AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway: population based cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/05/thrombosis-and-bleeding-after-the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

I’m getting the AZ jab tomorrow. If I die I will come back and haunt the forum.

can I have your extensive collection of forum participant notes?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Arterial events, venous thromboembolism, thrombocytopenia, and bleeding after vaccination with Oxford-AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway: population based cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/05/thrombosis-and-bleeding-after-the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

I’m getting the AZ jab tomorrow. If I die I will come back and haunt the forum.

OK

Arts said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Arterial events, venous thromboembolism, thrombocytopenia, and bleeding after vaccination with Oxford-AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway: population based cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/05/thrombosis-and-bleeding-after-the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

I’m getting the AZ jab tomorrow. If I die I will come back and haunt the forum.

can I have your extensive collection of forum participant notes?

… also didn’t OCDC go for Pfi2er and hasn’t been back since …

Arts said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Arterial events, venous thromboembolism, thrombocytopenia, and bleeding after vaccination with Oxford-AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway: population based cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/05/thrombosis-and-bleeding-after-the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

I’m getting the AZ jab tomorrow. If I die I will come back and haunt the forum.

can I have your extensive collection of forum participant notes?

Sure.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Arterial events, venous thromboembolism, thrombocytopenia, and bleeding after vaccination with Oxford-AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway: population based cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1114

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/05/thrombosis-and-bleeding-after-the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

I’m getting the AZ jab tomorrow. If I die I will come back and haunt the forum.

Good luck.

We hadn’t really discussed these silly “vaccine passport” ideas up to now but here we go, more good pandemic news.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fully-vaccinated-travellers-test-positive-in-sydney-hotel-quarantine-20210507-p57pt4.html

Six people who tested positive for COVID-19 in hotel quarantine in the past three weeks had already been fully vaccinated overseas, revealing the difficulties with implementing a vaccine passport system. One had received a one-shot vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson, and the remaining cases had received both doses of a two-shot vaccine, such as Pfizer, AstraZeneca or Moderna.

NSW reported no new local cases on Friday, but the mystery of how an eastern suburbs couple caught a COVID-19 infection brought into hotel quarantine by a US traveller remains unsolved.

—

and for the kicker …

On Thursday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said travel for the vaccinated without hotel quarantine, often called a “vaccine passport”, was being looked at by the nation’s medical expert panel. “I think that is the next step, but I do think that next step is some way away,” he told Melbourne radio station 3AW.

want to know how to tell if something is a bad idea ¿ this joker pushes it as the right thing to do next

> Six people who tested positive for COVID-19 in hotel quarantine in the past three weeks had already been fully vaccinated overseas

Ah, now that’s one thing I’ve been waiting to hear.
I’ve really been wondering for the past month why we haven’t heard of it more often.

SCIENCE said:

We hadn’t really discussed these silly “vaccine passport” ideas up to now but here we go, more good pandemic news.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fully-vaccinated-travellers-test-positive-in-sydney-hotel-quarantine-20210507-p57pt4.html

Six people who tested positive for COVID-19 in hotel quarantine in the past three weeks had already been fully vaccinated overseas, revealing the difficulties with implementing a vaccine passport system. One had received a one-shot vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson, and the remaining cases had received both doses of a two-shot vaccine, such as Pfizer, AstraZeneca or Moderna.

NSW reported no new local cases on Friday, but the mystery of how an eastern suburbs couple caught a COVID-19 infection brought into hotel quarantine by a US traveller remains unsolved.

—

and for the kicker …

On Thursday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said travel for the vaccinated without hotel quarantine, often called a “vaccine passport”, was being looked at by the nation’s medical expert panel. “I think that is the next step, but I do think that next step is some way away,” he told Melbourne radio station 3AW.

want to know how to tell if something is a bad idea ¿ this joker pushes it as the right thing to do next

With millions of vaccines administered won’t a few cases fall under the approx 90% efficacy of the vaccines in preventing infection?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

We hadn’t really discussed these silly “vaccine passport” ideas up to now but here we go, more good pandemic news.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fully-vaccinated-travellers-test-positive-in-sydney-hotel-quarantine-20210507-p57pt4.html

Six people who tested positive for COVID-19 in hotel quarantine in the past three weeks had already been fully vaccinated overseas, revealing the difficulties with implementing a vaccine passport system. One had received a one-shot vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson, and the remaining cases had received both doses of a two-shot vaccine, such as Pfizer, AstraZeneca or Moderna.

NSW reported no new local cases on Friday, but the mystery of how an eastern suburbs couple caught a COVID-19 infection brought into hotel quarantine by a US traveller remains unsolved.

—

and for the kicker …

On Thursday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said travel for the vaccinated without hotel quarantine, often called a “vaccine passport”, was being looked at by the nation’s medical expert panel. “I think that is the next step, but I do think that next step is some way away,” he told Melbourne radio station 3AW.

want to know how to tell if something is a bad idea ¿ this joker pushes it as the right thing to do next

With millions of vaccines administered won’t a few cases fall under the approx 90% efficacy of the vaccines in preventing infection?

Sorry that doesn’t really address your point.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

We hadn’t really discussed these silly “vaccine passport” ideas up to now but here we go, more good pandemic news.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fully-vaccinated-travellers-test-positive-in-sydney-hotel-quarantine-20210507-p57pt4.html

Six people who tested positive for COVID-19 in hotel quarantine in the past three weeks had already been fully vaccinated overseas, revealing the difficulties with implementing a vaccine passport system. One had received a one-shot vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson, and the remaining cases had received both doses of a two-shot vaccine, such as Pfizer, AstraZeneca or Moderna.

NSW reported no new local cases on Friday, but the mystery of how an eastern suburbs couple caught a COVID-19 infection brought into hotel quarantine by a US traveller remains unsolved.

—

and for the kicker …

On Thursday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said travel for the vaccinated without hotel quarantine, often called a “vaccine passport”, was being looked at by the nation’s medical expert panel. “I think that is the next step, but I do think that next step is some way away,” he told Melbourne radio station 3AW.

want to know how to tell if something is a bad idea ¿ this joker pushes it as the right thing to do next

With millions of vaccines administered won’t a few cases fall under the approx 90% efficacy of the vaccines in preventing infection?

Sorry that doesn’t really address your point.

Sure it does, it shows we(1,1,1) agree,and that’s a good thing.

It’s an important point of course: even with coverage, all other infection control measures should be kept available. You know how we get immunised against measles¿ We still tell anyone who catches it to isolate.

The point of vaccinating here is that it stops outbreaks from blowing up as big, and helps get things under control faster.

Of course, if people actually get some guts / spine, we could run with it and go for eradication but the climate talks have gone well so far.

ABC Classic FM played a tuba piece where the tubaist is Peter Whish-Wilson. There is a Senator of that name… it turns out they are cousins.

dv said:

ABC Classic FM played a tuba piece where the tubaist is Peter Whish-Wilson. There is a Senator of that name… it turns out they are cousins.

nice.

Don’t often see this homonymism but here you go.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/why-is-india-not-announcing-a-lockdown-covid-second-wave/100124692

India’s migrant labourers from rural parts of the country also bared the brunt of last year’s lockdown.

SCIENCE said:

Don’t often see this homonymism but here you go.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/why-is-india-not-announcing-a-lockdown-covid-second-wave/100124692

India’s migrant labourers from rural parts of the country also bared the brunt of last year’s lockdown.

wow

SCIENCE said:

Don’t often see this homonymism but here you go.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/why-is-india-not-announcing-a-lockdown-covid-second-wave/100124692

India’s migrant labourers from rural parts of the country also bared the brunt of last year’s lockdown.

Have any of us here ever bared a brunt? And what is a brunt?

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Don’t often see this homonymism but here you go.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/why-is-india-not-announcing-a-lockdown-covid-second-wave/100124692

India’s migrant labourers from rural parts of the country also bared the brunt of last year’s lockdown.

Have any of us here ever bared a brunt? And what is a brunt?

Certainly I’ve borne a brunt, but not bared one.

“chief force, the heaviest or worst (of something),”

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210507/p2g/00m/0sp/072000c

A Japanese online petition calling for the cancellation of this summer’s Tokyo Olympics had received over 200,000 signatures at a record pace as of Friday, just two days after its launch, as public fears over the coronavirus pandemic grow with the rapid spread of highly contagious variants. According to Change.org, the anti-Olympic petition has garnered support at a faster pace than any other since the Japanese version of the platform was launched in 2012.

SCIENCE said:

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210507/p2g/00m/0sp/072000c

A Japanese online petition calling for the cancellation of this summer’s Tokyo Olympics had received over 200,000 signatures at a record pace as of Friday, just two days after its launch, as public fears over the coronavirus pandemic grow with the rapid spread of highly contagious variants. According to Change.org, the anti-Olympic petition has garnered support at a faster pace than any other since the Japanese version of the platform was launched in 2012.

They just don’t want all those filthy foreigners i.e. the athletes coming to lovely pure Japan.

Experts call for changes to Australian ventilation standards in bid to pandemic-proof buildings

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/pandemic-proofing-buildings-with-better-ventilation/100123946

Paper tiger
India’s national government looks increasingly hapless
Confronted with catastrophe, the state has melted away

Asia
May 8th 2021 edition
DELHI

Two short months ago Narendra Modi’s government was one of the most popular and confident in India’s history. Now, judging by fresh election results, by the eruption of criticism even in the largely docile mainstream media, by sharp reprimands issued by top courts, by thumbs-down judgments by seasoned analysts and by a level of rage on social media unusual even for India’s hothouse online forums, the prime minister and his government are in trouble.

It is not simply that evidence has mounted of repeated failures to heed warnings of an impending second wave of covid-19, including from the government’s own health experts. Nor is it just that Mr Modi and his team have struggled to respond to a calamity greater than India has experienced in generations. Indians are accustomed to ineptitude and meagre support. Rather it is a sense of utter abandonment, especially among the politically noisy middle class, that is driving the anger.

The epidemic continues to worsen. On May 5th the country reported over 412,000 new infections, its highest number yet. Half of all cases of covid-19 recorded around the world are in India, up from one in 25 at the start of March. The number of covid deaths tripled in March, and then in April leapt by a factor of ten. With a quarter of all tests in the country returning a positive result, up five-fold in the past month, it is clear that India’s monster second wave has yet to reach its peak. Already nearly a quarter of a million Indians have died after being infected by the virus, and that is going by the government’s own numbers.

For any country to suffer such devastation is awful enough. But even as the official death toll has mounted, faith in its accuracy has sunk. Epidemiological and anecdotal evidence point to massive undercounting. Journalists across India have detailed scores of cases where official tallies are much lower than those gathered from hospitals, crematoriums and obituaries. In rural areas, where two-thirds of the population lives, both data and health care are even harder to come by. Partly as a result, a curve that has moved as sharply as the one describing infections is the one tracing the reputation of India’s government, albeit in the opposite direction.

Mr Modi has done himself no favours. During much of March and April he devoted far more energy to campaigning in one state election, in West Bengal, than to increasingly urgent cries of panic. In response to the revelation that his government had hugely miscalculated the availability of vaccines, he turned to showmanship, declaring a national “Tika Utsav” or Inoculation Festival. Since it was launched, the number of people getting vaccinations every day has fallen by half, owing to shortages. Belatedly addressing the public on April 20th, Mr Modi warned against lockdowns and called instead for testing, isolating the infected and tracing their contacts. Recognising that it was too late for such measures to have any effect, most Indian states and big cities locked down anyway.

The crisis has forced Mr Modi’s government into embarrassing policy reversals. Its vaccine campaign, touted in January as the world’s biggest and most generous, has been sharply adjusted. After banning vaccine exports to address the national shortfall, the government abruptly declared that individual states and private actors would have to bear half the burden. Despite proclaiming self-reliance as the hallmark of his new India, Mr Modi broke with a policy begun by the previous government of rejecting foreign aid, and welcomed planeloads of medical supplies donated by more than a dozen foreign governments. The severity of shortages, particularly of oxygen, and the wrenching and very public misery caused by this growing disaster made it impossible not to.

But the misfortunes of Mr Modi’s government have been compounded by haplessness. The public, overwhelmed with anguish at death on so vast a scale, has been flabbergasted by repeated revelations of incompetence. Initial shipments of aid, they discovered, had been held up by officials wanting to impose duties. These were eventually removed and local sales taxes abolished or reduced. (But on oxygen concentrators, a life-saving instrument, this was from a crushing 28% to a merely gouging 12%.) In the state of Gujarat it was revealed that factories making gas-storage tanks, which use oxygen in the manufacturing process, had halted production of the desperately needed containers because the government was allocating all oxygen to hospitals.

The state’s displays of pure callousness have also been shocking. Residents of Delhi, whose hospitals are completely full, have been treated to the spectacle of the solicitor-general arguing that its state government, which needed help with oxygen supplies, was being a “cry baby”. With the capital under strict curfew, Mr Modi’s government has also given special licence for work to continue on a $2.6bn project to overhaul the grand government buildings of the city centre, including a fancy new residence for the prime minister.

Meanwhile the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, tipped by some as a successor to Mr Modi, has not only declared that there is no oxygen shortage in his poor state of 225m people, but that individuals and even hospitals that spread “rumours” of shortages would be vigorously prosecuted. “This government has lost its mind,” shouts a man who has just lost his niece in a hospital in Meerut, a city in north-western Uttar Pradesh, in a scene captured by Newslaundry, an investigative news group. ”They talk of being a superpower, but what kind of superpower can’t even find oxygen for its people?”

Elections, of course, will prove the real test of what this change in fortunes may mean for Mr Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party (bjp). He does not face a national one until 2024, so he may have enough time to repair damage and right his ship. But early omens are not good. Results of state elections announced on May 2nd left the bjp and allies with just one out of four prizes.

More tellingly, the party was hammered in West Bengal, the state it had fought hardest to win. This was not a referendum on Mr Modi’s handling of the pandemic: many Bengali voters dislike the bjp’s thinly disguised bigotry and see its Hindi-speaking, ostentatiously religious leaders as culturally alien. The voting was in eight phases, meaning that many ballots were cast before the deadliness of the second wave became clear. Significantly, the margin seems to have widened as the voting went on and deaths mounted. In Uttar Pradesh, meanwhile, village-level elections showed a sharp tilt against bjp-endorsed candidates in parts of the state considered its fiefs. One of them was Varanasi, Mr Modi’s own parliamentary constituency.

https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/05/08/indias-national-government-looks-increasingly-hapless?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Paper tiger
India’s national government looks increasingly hapless
Confronted with catastrophe, the state has melted away

https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/05/08/indias-national-government-looks-increasingly-hapless?

A pertinent cartoon would have rounded out that article nicely.

:)

Pandemic Could Free Up Commercial Pilots For Suppression Of Consequences Of Another Global Disaster

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/bushfire-air-attack-reconnaissance-firebombing/100021752

Ah, COVID-19, Is There Any Planet It Can’t Heal

SCIENCE said:

Pandemic Could Free Up Commercial Pilots For Suppression Of Consequences Of Another Global Disaster

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/bushfire-air-attack-reconnaissance-firebombing/100021752

Ah, COVID-19, Is There Any Planet It Can’t Heal

At last, a use for BAe 146s.

It Only Takes 15 Months But Finally Australians May Have Learnt How To Contain Respiratory Pandemics

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/zero-covid-19-cases-for-nsw/100125812

NSW has recorded no new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in the 24 hours to 8:00pm last night. There were 22,153 tests carried out during this time.

Epidemiologist Professor Mary Louise McLaws said it will be a fortnight before Greater Sydney can say it has avoided more locally acquired coronavirus cases. “I think this goes to show how fortunate we are,” she said.

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apparently that’s about 50% more tests than usual so seems all right for now

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Pandemic Could Free Up Commercial Pilots For Suppression Of Consequences Of Another Global Disaster

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/bushfire-air-attack-reconnaissance-firebombing/100021752

Ah, COVID-19, Is There Any Planet It Can’t Heal

At last, a use for BAe 146s.

I was just thinking that too.

Opposition To Olympic Games Will Wane As Mind Control Vaccine Comes Online

“The numbers are very small, particularly amongst the elderly. And so as the vaccine is rolled out in Japan, I think that will improve.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/coates-says-opposition-concern-but-tokyo-olympics-will-go-ahead/100126152

Mr Coates said it was also important for organisers to relay to the Japanese public the effectiveness of the precautions put in place to protect them, as illustrated by the ongoing Olympic test events in Tokyo. “These measures we’ve been taking and trialling at the test events are working,” the IOC vice-president said. “The athletes at the test events are in a similar Olympic bubble to that they will be at the games.”

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ah yes, like the IPL, that worked out nicely

yes, yes, not quite the same, we know

Japan:

Shikoku, Kyushu, Hokkaido, Honshu

India:

looked like the coastline for a while but it’s leapt off uncharacteristically

“We should have had our quarantine system prepared so we could get Australians home,” Labor frontbencher Amanda Rishworth said. “We should not have come to this where we were not prepared and did not have a plan to get our citizens abroad out of harm’s way.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-08/australian-resident-dies-in-india-covid-19-crisis/100125780

Fair. It’s not like we were unprepared for the 4th wave locally and so forth (hope is that we can continue to avert that kind of shit), but it does mean that if thanks to that, we’re able to focus on preventing pandemic incursion, then we should have been building for it. (Yes, yes, not a new point.)

SCIENCE said:

Japan:

Shikoku, Kyushu, Hokkaido, Honshu

I don’t get that chart. Have their waves been localised?

SCIENCE said:

… but it does mean that if thanks to that, we’re able to focus on preventing pandemic incursion, then we should have been building for it. (Yes, yes, not a new point.)

Ooh…but that costs money.

And the government was so hoping to give that money some churches, or some mining companies, or some press moguls, or some friends of theirs…

Disclaimer: we haven’t corroborated this information but we’re posting it anyway.

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: we haven’t corroborated this information but we’re posting it anyway.

Repugniantans? Are we still talking about them?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: we haven’t corroborated this information but we’re posting it anyway.

Repugniantans? Are we still talking about them?

fine, here it is
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2021-2022/billintroduced/House/pdf/2021-HIB-4667.pdf

They sneak it in as a human-rights-defending “vaccination passports aren’t allowed” and then you read what “passport” means.

“COVID-19 vaccination passport” means written or electronic documentation for the purposes of certifying that an individual has received a vaccination for or is immunized against COVID-19.

Then again, maybe standard record-of-vaccination cards are allowed, we haven’t read all the USSA laws

Except as otherwise authorized or required by a law of the United States or this state

so who knows.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: we haven’t corroborated this information but we’re posting it anyway.

Repugniantans? Are we still talking about them?

fine, here it is
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2021-2022/billintroduced/House/pdf/2021-HIB-4667.pdf

They sneak it in as a human-rights-defending “vaccination passports aren’t allowed” and then you read what “passport” means.

“COVID-19 vaccination passport” means written or electronic documentation for the purposes of certifying that an individual has received a vaccination for or is immunized against COVID-19.

Then again, maybe standard record-of-vaccination cards are allowed, we haven’t read all the USSA laws

Except as otherwise authorized or required by a law of the United States or this state

so who knows.

As has been said, only in the us of a.

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: we haven’t corroborated this information but we’re posting it anyway.

Hmmm, a quick search brings up exactly one person mentioning this. Oh, it happens to be Julie.

Yeah.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: we haven’t corroborated this information but we’re posting it anyway.

Hmmm, a quick search brings up exactly one person mentioning this. Oh, it happens to be Julie.

Yeah.

¿ search of what though, a search for a 2 day old in the the past 50 years of data ?

we suppose it’s possible for representatives responsible for dealing with bills, might be the first to be aware of them and interpret them

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: we haven’t corroborated this information but we’re posting it anyway.

Repugniantans? Are we still talking about them?

fine, here it is
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2021-2022/billintroduced/House/pdf/2021-HIB-4667.pdf

They sneak it in as a human-rights-defending “vaccination passports aren’t allowed” and then you read what “passport” means.

“COVID-19 vaccination passport” means written or electronic documentation for the purposes of certifying that an individual has received a vaccination for or is immunized against COVID-19.

Then again, maybe standard record-of-vaccination cards are allowed, we haven’t read all the USSA laws

Except as otherwise authorized or required by a law of the United States or this state

so who knows.

Well, that’s just…well…horrible.

Unimaginably horrible.

https://www.sciencealert.com/young-adults-who-got-covid-19-show-lasting-cardiovascular-damage-in-study

“Young Adults Who’ve Had COVID-19 Show Signs of Lasting Cardiovascular Damage”

Small study. Maybe noisy data. Nonetheless, interesting and possibly concerning.

Scientists in the Netherlands have trained bees to identify COVID-19 through their sense of smell, according to a press release from Wageningen University.

https://www.sciencealert.com/bees-can-smell-covid-19-and-they-can-identify-a-case-within-seconds

https://www.wur.nl/en/news-wur/Show/Training-bees-to-smell-the-coronavirus.htm

Amazing what people research, really.

Michael V said:

Scientists in the Netherlands have trained bees to identify COVID-19 through their sense of smell, according to a press release from Wageningen University.

https://www.sciencealert.com/bees-can-smell-covid-19-and-they-can-identify-a-case-within-seconds

https://www.wur.nl/en/news-wur/Show/Training-bees-to-smell-the-coronavirus.htm

Amazing what people research, really.

I heard about that on the wireless, cant see it being practical though.

The ASIANS, They KNEW

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/ina.12786

obviously ASIANS follow SCIENCE, as you all know

LOL, still talk

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-09/mining-camp-designers-plan-covid-19-quarantine-hub-in-wa/100119364

but now numbers

Quarantine “villages” could be built in less than a year to house Australians desperate to return from overseas COVID hotspots and decrease the country’s reliance on hotel quarantine, mining camp designers say. Businesses which normally build remote accommodation camps for the resources industry are fine-tuning proposals, estimating the cost of the quarantine hubs to be anywhere between $80 million and $200 million. Last month’s three-day lockdown is estimated to have cost the WA economy at least $70 million.

Mr McGowan said the solutions were already “staring us in the face”, referring to Commonwealth-owned quarantine facilities such as Curtin Air Base, Yongah Hill in Northam and Christmas Island. But the Federal Government has so far refused to relinquish those facilities for quarantine. “I don’t want to go down the course of commissioning and building a facility that might be worth hundreds of millions of dollars if we’re not going to need it,” Mr McGowan said.

But even as the vaccination program was extended to people aged over 50 this week, public health experts have warned quarantine may still be needed. “We must take into account that it could mutate and become more virulent and lead to a situation where we still have to quarantine people, even with the same vaccination program that we have,” said Dr Barbara Nattabi, a senior lecturer at UWA’s School of Population and Global Health. “Australia mustn’t think this is the end of pandemics,” Dr Nattabi said. Dr Nattabi pointed to the example of Singapore which has heavily invested in infectious disease infrastructure including a 330-bed National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID).

A recent investigation by the Victorian Government into alternative quarantine accommodation recommended a permanent, purpose-built facility be established. Plans for the facility estimated a 3,000 bed village would cost around $700 million to build. Mr Dorrat estimated a similar 1,000 bed facility in WA would cost between $150-$200 million and require about 14 hectares of land.

Professor Ben Mullins, from Curtin University’s School of Population Health, agreed with the Premier that hotels were not built for quarantine purposes. WA has dozens of mining camps and Professor Mullins said the government should be considering re-purposing those facilities as soon as possible. “The concern is that we’re going to see a rise in infection rates over winter,” Professor Mullins said. “I think there’s probably a good chance that the government would be able to find suitable facilities that need minimal refitting and can be used for this purpose without too much cost.”

imagine if there were experts with ideas

and imagine if instead of 112 days of lockdown you could have built quarantine accommodation for 11200 people at a time, for the same economic cost, damn

it’s not as good as foresight but what are you going to do with that hindsight eh comrades

oh that’s right if you’re the corruption coalition make that poorsight and blindsight

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/video/9999636/

looks pretty cool

NSW recorded no new cases of community transmission of the virus in the 24 hours to 8pm on Saturday but a suite of restrictions that took effect on Thursday at 5pm will remain in place, apart from a requirement for customers to wear masks in shops. Premier Gladys Berejiklian said the “missing link” between two local cases of COVID-19 detected on Wednesday remained unclear and the government was “keen to prevent a super-spreading event”.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/sydney/covid-19-restrictions-in-sydney-extended-in-bid-to-avoid-superspreading-event/ar-BB1gwemN?ocid=msedgdhp

In a statement, NSW Health said restrictions would remain in place “to safeguard the community and reduce the risk of further transmission” while investigations continued. “NSW Health has not identified how the initial case … was exposed to COVID-19, which suggests he acquired the infection through brief contact with a currently unidentified person who was infectious in the community” the statement said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-09/nsw-records-no-local-covid-cases-restrictions-extended-to-may-17/100126708

keep effective control measures in place to prevent spread and try to avert a lockdown, imagine that

This bloke likes doing maths:

“Benefit of COVID-19 Vaccination Accounting for Potential Risk Compensation”

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3773950

It’s about how good vaccines are and how it can get messed up by people getting overconfident once vaccinated.

buffy said:

This bloke likes doing maths:

“Benefit of COVID-19 Vaccination Accounting for Potential Risk Compensation”

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3773950

It’s about how good vaccines are and how it can get messed up by people getting overconfident once vaccinated.

It’s like when they first issued us with steel helmets.

‘Do these things stop bullets, Chief?’, one of us asked.

The Chief smiled.

‘Son, they won’t even slow them down.’

They gave you a better chance of surviving contact with something nasty, not total invulnerability.

Same for vaccines.

And John Ionnidis has also had a go at some figures on this:

“Reconciling estimates of global spread and infection fatality rates of COVID-19: An overview of systematic evaluations”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33768536/

Conclusion…yeah, it’s everywhere, but not everywhere is the same.

“All systematic evaluations of seroprevalence data converge that SARS-CoV-2 infection is widely spread globally. Acknowledging residual uncertainties, the available evidence suggests average global IFR of ~0.15% and ~1.5-2.0 billion infections by February 2021 with substantial differences in IFR and in infection spread across continents, countries and locations. “

Oooh…academic wars!

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-john-ioannidis/

buffy said:

Oooh…academic wars!

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-john-ioannidis/

Good read :)

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Oooh…academic wars!

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-john-ioannidis/

Good read :)

And a long one.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

This bloke likes doing maths:

“Benefit of COVID-19 Vaccination Accounting for Potential Risk Compensation”

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3773950

It’s about how good vaccines are and how it can get messed up by people getting overconfident once vaccinated.

It’s like when they first issued us with steel helmets.

‘Do these things stop bullets, Chief?’, one of us asked.

The Chief smiled.

‘Son, they won’t even slow them down.’

They gave you a better chance of surviving contact with something nasty, not total invulnerability.

Same for vaccines.

probably half useful for ricochet and scatter related

buffy said:

This bloke likes doing maths:

“Benefit of COVID-19 Vaccination Accounting for Potential Risk Compensation”

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3773950

It’s about how good vaccines are and how it can get messed up by people getting overconfident once vaccinated.

short a vaccine evolution miracle, one that crushes emerging new variants also, i’d expect it will be strongly watched for and monitored pathogen, along with testing and tracing for a long time yet, perhaps indefinitely, I can’t see it being let to go wild here in Australia

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext

There were marked and sustained declines in SARS-CoV-2 incidence corresponding to increasing vaccine coverage. These findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination can help to control the pandemic.

poikilotherm said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext

There were marked and sustained declines in SARS-CoV-2 incidence corresponding to increasing vaccine coverage. These findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination can help to control the pandemic.

GTFO

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext

There were marked and sustained declines in SARS-CoV-2 incidence corresponding to increasing vaccine coverage. These findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination can help to control the pandemic.

GTFO

:)

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext

There were marked and sustained declines in SARS-CoV-2 incidence corresponding to increasing vaccine coverage. These findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination can help to control the pandemic.

GTFO

They did only use one particular companies mRNA vaccine…

poikilotherm said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext

There were marked and sustained declines in SARS-CoV-2 incidence corresponding to increasing vaccine coverage. These findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccination can help to control the pandemic.

Shit eh.

Apparently Mr BBQ Covid guy works for a company looking to buy Barbecues Galore, which is why he was checking out different stores.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tom-pizzey-identified-as-sydneys-bbq-man-and-it-explains-everything/news-story/18279a67132014b6a99f3a9da64c5193

Also, his wife is Gillian Anderson’s doppelgänger.

Divine Angel said:

Apparently Mr BBQ Covid guy works for a company looking to buy Barbecues Galore, which is why he was checking out different stores.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tom-pizzey-identified-as-sydneys-bbq-man-and-it-explains-everything/news-story/18279a67132014b6a99f3a9da64c5193

Also, his wife is Gillian Anderson’s doppelgänger.

Mr buffy and I were discussing this yesterday. Are they absolutely sure he caught it and gave it to her? Different people have different incubation periods. I haven’t seen in the news reports what the offset time was. Maybe she was the instigator. Perhaps why it’s been hard to pin down.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Apparently Mr BBQ Covid guy works for a company looking to buy Barbecues Galore, which is why he was checking out different stores.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tom-pizzey-identified-as-sydneys-bbq-man-and-it-explains-everything/news-story/18279a67132014b6a99f3a9da64c5193

Also, his wife is Gillian Anderson’s doppelgänger.

Mr buffy and I were discussing this yesterday. Are they absolutely sure he caught it and gave it to her? Different people have different incubation periods. I haven’t seen in the news reports what the offset time was. Maybe she was the instigator. Perhaps why it’s been hard to pin down.

That could well be the issue, yes.

Divine Angel said:

Apparently Mr BBQ Covid guy works for a company looking to buy Barbecues Galore, which is why he was checking out different stores.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tom-pizzey-identified-as-sydneys-bbq-man-and-it-explains-everything/news-story/18279a67132014b6a99f3a9da64c5193

Also, his wife is Gillian Anderson’s doppelgänger.

Huh!

People were wondering…

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Apparently Mr BBQ Covid guy works for a company looking to buy Barbecues Galore, which is why he was checking out different stores.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tom-pizzey-identified-as-sydneys-bbq-man-and-it-explains-everything/news-story/18279a67132014b6a99f3a9da64c5193

Also, his wife is Gillian Anderson’s doppelgänger.

Mr buffy and I were discussing this yesterday. Are they absolutely sure he caught it and gave it to her? Different people have different incubation periods. I haven’t seen in the news reports what the offset time was. Maybe she was the instigator. Perhaps why it’s been hard to pin down.

Surely the Great Minds would have thought of this already.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Apparently Mr BBQ Covid guy works for a company looking to buy Barbecues Galore, which is why he was checking out different stores.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tom-pizzey-identified-as-sydneys-bbq-man-and-it-explains-everything/news-story/18279a67132014b6a99f3a9da64c5193

Also, his wife is Gillian Anderson’s doppelgänger.

Mr buffy and I were discussing this yesterday. Are they absolutely sure he caught it and gave it to her? Different people have different incubation periods. I haven’t seen in the news reports what the offset time was. Maybe she was the instigator. Perhaps why it’s been hard to pin down.

Surely the Great Minds would have thought of this already.

Too busy thinking alike.

Better Be Building Those Quarantine Facilities Right Now Because This Kind Of Thing Will Push Utilisation / Occupancy / Demand Right Up

http://news.chinhphu.vn/Home/Viet-Nam-EXTENDS-mandatory-quarantine-period-by-one-week/20215/43676.vgp

The mandatory quarantine period will be increased by one week to 21 days from the current 14 days, said Minister of Health Nguyen Thanh Long.

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So looks like that B.1.617 thing (developed in India) is not only more contagious over the same period as the previous beauties, but keeps it up for longer as well.

Good news¡

SCIENCE said:

from responses there, this aged well

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/13/health/ihme-model-death-predictions/index.html

An influential model projects coronavirus deaths will stop this summer, but experts are skeptical

In interviews last week, representatives of IHME — the institute behind the model — offered conflicting accounts on how exactly the projections work, and why the model predicts almost no deaths this summer. Every model relies on two things: data and assumptions. The IHME model in particular draws on the trajectory of the pandemic in other countries — like Italy and China — and assumes the US will follow a similar trend.

SCIENCE said:

What way out do they have besides waiting for it to go through the entire population.
Even if the entire world helped with massive resources its likely too late, they have such a large population its overwhelming

SCIENCE said:

If crematoria are reporting that high of an increase, there is probably a shit ton of dead people not being reported and disposed of using other means. 🤔

(Speaking of Disney…)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/florida-reports-10000-covid-19-variant-cases-surge/story?id=77553100

Variant COVID-19 infections skyrocketed following spring break in Florida and there have been more than 10,000 variant cases reported throughout the state, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported based on data from the Florida Department of Health.

A total of 753 variant cases from three strains — the B.1.1.7, the P.1, and the B. 1.3.5.1. — were reported on March 14, according to variant infection data shared with ABC News. The Florida Department of Health does not disclose variant cases on its public dashboard.

That number swelled to 5,177 cases from five types of variants on April 15. Just two weeks later, the number of variant infections exploded to 9,248 on April 27, according to local ABC affiliate , WFTV.

The surge falls in line with mid-March into April spring break celebrations, when college students and vacationers flock to the sunshine state.

Florida is home to the most variant COVID-19 cases in the country. State health officials reported more than 11,800 cases of COVID-19 variants on Wednesday, according to the Sun Sentinel.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-10/nsw-vaccine-available-for-40-to-49-year-olds-in-weeks/100127834

This probably sounds more promising than it is.

Dr Chant said the man had “gone above and beyond” to help health authorities, and publishing his name was “not necessary” or a good public health outcome.

Well, focus on the positives, the fellow could be seen as a hero, someone who they allege did the right thing, went above and beyond, the perfect role model, rich and white and male and cisgendermarried too.

GP clinic phoned Mr buffy this afternoon. He’s to be vaccinated on Wednesday afternoon.

Here Are A Bunch Of Communists Attempting To Poison The Vaccination Discussion In Australia

https://www.policyforum.net/australias-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-change/

First, they must strengthen the country’s quarantine system by acting on the latest evidence of the role of airborne transmission in quarantine breaches.

Second, the country needs to aim for herd immunity by using vaccines with the highest possible efficacy, such as Moderna, Novavax, and Pfizer. These vaccines provide security against even concerning new variants of the virus. Real world experience shows the Pfizer vaccine is 75 per cent effective against infections caused by the South African (B.1.351) variant and 90 per cent effective against the UK (B.1.1.7) variant. In contrast, the AstraZeneca vaccine has 10 per cent efficacy against the South African variant, although it’s probably still reasonably effective against severe disease.

Third, Australia should not relax international border restrictions until everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

Fourth, the country should establish mass vaccination hubs in major centres to maximise the number of people who can be vaccinated each day, as Victoria is doing.

Rumour has it that the English Midlands are about to blow the top off the “success” of lockdown-immunisation in not-Europe.

We haven’t been there recently so cannot confirm or refute the likelihood claimed.

Apparently the following justifies that case count is lower after schools reopened in March”,

while the data in between have this behaviour

. True, the case count is lower.

SCIENCE said:

Here Are A Bunch Of Communists Attempting To Poison The Vaccination Discussion In Australia

https://www.policyforum.net/australias-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-change/

First, they must strengthen the country’s quarantine system by acting on the latest evidence of the role of airborne transmission in quarantine breaches.

Second, the country needs to aim for herd immunity by using vaccines with the highest possible efficacy, such as Moderna, Novavax, and Pfizer. These vaccines provide security against even concerning new variants of the virus. Real world experience shows the Pfizer vaccine is 75 per cent effective against infections caused by the South African (B.1.351) variant and 90 per cent effective against the UK (B.1.1.7) variant. In contrast, the AstraZeneca vaccine has 10 per cent efficacy against the South African variant, although it’s probably still reasonably effective against severe disease.

Third, Australia should not relax international border restrictions until everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

Fourth, the country should establish mass vaccination hubs in major centres to maximise the number of people who can be vaccinated each day, as Victoria is doing.

where are we going to get those mentioned vaccines from?

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Here Are A Bunch Of Communists Attempting To Poison The Vaccination Discussion In Australia

https://www.policyforum.net/australias-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-change/

First, they must strengthen the country’s quarantine system by acting on the latest evidence of the role of airborne transmission in quarantine breaches.

Second, the country needs to aim for herd immunity by using vaccines with the highest possible efficacy, such as Moderna, Novavax, and Pfizer. These vaccines provide security against even concerning new variants of the virus. Real world experience shows the Pfizer vaccine is 75 per cent effective against infections caused by the South African (B.1.351) variant and 90 per cent effective against the UK (B.1.1.7) variant. In contrast, the AstraZeneca vaccine has 10 per cent efficacy against the South African variant, although it’s probably still reasonably effective against severe disease.

Third, Australia should not relax international border restrictions until everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

Fourth, the country should establish mass vaccination hubs in major centres to maximise the number of people who can be vaccinated each day, as Victoria is doing.

where are we going to get those mentioned vaccines from?

Especially as we don’t seem to have bothered to order some of those.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Here Are A Bunch Of Communists Attempting To Poison The Vaccination Discussion In Australia

https://www.policyforum.net/australias-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-change/

First, they must strengthen the country’s quarantine system by acting on the latest evidence of the role of airborne transmission in quarantine breaches.

Second, the country needs to aim for herd immunity by using vaccines with the highest possible efficacy, such as Moderna, Novavax, and Pfizer. These vaccines provide security against even concerning new variants of the virus. Real world experience shows the Pfizer vaccine is 75 per cent effective against infections caused by the South African (B.1.351) variant and 90 per cent effective against the UK (B.1.1.7) variant. In contrast, the AstraZeneca vaccine has 10 per cent efficacy against the South African variant, although it’s probably still reasonably effective against severe disease.

Third, Australia should not relax international border restrictions until everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

Fourth, the country should establish mass vaccination hubs in major centres to maximise the number of people who can be vaccinated each day, as Victoria is doing.

where are we going to get those mentioned vaccines from?

Especially as we don’t seem to have bothered to order some of those.

There’s some Pfizer on order for later in the year. Some.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Here Are A Bunch Of Communists Attempting To Poison The Vaccination Discussion In Australia

https://www.policyforum.net/australias-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-must-change/

First, they must strengthen the country’s quarantine system by acting on the latest evidence of the role of airborne transmission in quarantine breaches.

Second, the country needs to aim for herd immunity by using vaccines with the highest possible efficacy, such as Moderna, Novavax, and Pfizer. These vaccines provide security against even concerning new variants of the virus. Real world experience shows the Pfizer vaccine is 75 per cent effective against infections caused by the South African (B.1.351) variant and 90 per cent effective against the UK (B.1.1.7) variant. In contrast, the AstraZeneca vaccine has 10 per cent efficacy against the South African variant, although it’s probably still reasonably effective against severe disease.

Third, Australia should not relax international border restrictions until everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

Fourth, the country should establish mass vaccination hubs in major centres to maximise the number of people who can be vaccinated each day, as Victoria is doing.

where are we going to get those mentioned vaccines from?

Especially as we don’t seem to have bothered to order some of those.

The main plan is make our own AZ at CSL.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

where are we going to get those mentioned vaccines from?

Especially as we don’t seem to have bothered to order some of those.

The main plan is make our own AZ at CSL.

WTF that’s AFAIK.

LOL/

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Especially as we don’t seem to have bothered to order some of those.

The main plan is make our own AZ at CSL.

WTF that’s AFAIK.

LOL/

Yes, I heard stuff about this on the radio in the car this morning. We only went with AZ and Pfizer. We didn’t order anything else.

Down near the bottom of this piece is a series of maps showing which vaccines are being used where.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/13197518?nw=0

India seems to be using AZ and another one which no-one else is using called Covaxin.

If Astrazeneca is only 10% effective against the SA variety we probs need to be ordering 25 million double dosages of Pfizers. And start again..

sarahs mum said:

If Astrazeneca is only 10% effective against the SA variety we probs need to be ordering 25 million double dosages of Pfizers. And start again..

Is this true? There were early reports but I cannot find anything recent.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

If Astrazeneca is only 10% effective against the SA variety we probs need to be ordering 25 million double dosages of Pfizers. And start again..

Is this true? There were early reports but I cannot find anything recent.

Back there a half dozen posts.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

If Astrazeneca is only 10% effective against the SA variety we probs need to be ordering 25 million double dosages of Pfizers. And start again..

Is this true? There were early reports but I cannot find anything recent.

Back there a half dozen posts.

Ahh, ta. Will have a read.

buffy said:

India seems to be using AZ

how’s that working out for them

Dr Djordjevic said those with a compromised immune system (such as people recovering from COVID-19) were more at risk of the fungal infection, as were people with diabetes because of their high sugar levels. And those who were hospitalised with severe COVID-19 disease were likely to be prescribed a steroid called dexamethasone to reduce infection. “You’re suppressing the immune response, so we don’t die from that,” Dr Djordjevic said. “But at the same time you’re creating another problem in that all these other opportunistic pathogens, there’s no immune surveillance to keep them under control.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-05-10/covid-19-explainer-india-black-fungus-mucormycosis/100127850

don’t worry the cases might be high but deaths aren’t that high so everything will be all good

Probably in the fullness of time, with the explosion of B.1.617 that’s about to “go Beirut” (well, is already happening in places that have good control and can pick it up early) the limiting of flow from extremely-high-incidence areas is going to be proven a wise move despite all the complaints. Making it a criminal matter, not so much.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-10/federal-court-judge-throws-out-part-of-india-travel-ban/100129520

But then they obviously had to throw this additional racist dog whistle in,

Prime Minister Scott Morrison also told Nine Radio at the time that the criticisms were similar to when the government decided to close the border to China early in 2020.

which is totally legitimate because CHINA early in 2020 clearly had test positivity of 50% oh yeah wait no but anyway it’s dirty ASIANS so yeah definitely yeah. Oh and also it turns out they did use Christmas Island then too, imagine quarantine.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

India seems to be using AZ

how’s that working out for them

The UK seem to be having outbreaks of the Indian variant in some elderly residential home, where patients have received 2 doses of AZ. The report so far is that the symptoms are mild and none have required hospital treatment.

so here you see how much more transmissible these new strains are compared to earlier known

good luck

Dozens of bodies believed to be Covid-19 victims have washed up on the banks of the Ganges River in northern India as the pandemic spreads into India’s vast rural hinterland, overwhelming local health facilities as well as crematoriums and cemeteries.

Local official Ashok Kumar said that about 40 corpses washed up in Buxar district near the border between Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, two of India’s poorest states.

“We have directed concerned officials to dispose of all bodies, to either bury or cremate them,” Kumar told AFP.

more…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/10/india-dozens-of-suspected-covid-victims-wash-up-on-ganges-river-banks

what’s the next outbreak?

sarahs mum said:

Dozens of bodies believed to be Covid-19 victims have washed up on the banks of the Ganges River in northern India as the pandemic spreads into India’s vast rural hinterland, overwhelming local health facilities as well as crematoriums and cemeteries.

Local official Ashok Kumar said that about 40 corpses washed up in Buxar district near the border between Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, two of India’s poorest states.

“We have directed concerned officials to dispose of all bodies, to either bury or cremate them,” Kumar told AFP.

more…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/10/india-dozens-of-suspected-covid-victims-wash-up-on-ganges-river-banks

what’s the next outbreak?

Drug resistant bacteria maybe.

https://theconversation.com/would-australians-support-mandates-for-the-covid-19-vaccine-our-research-suggests-most-would-159919

We mean it’s a pretty fucking genius strategy by CHINA here,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/japan-tennis-kei-nishikori-naomi-osaka-tokyo-olympics-covid/100130120

the year before an Olympics you want to spoil, just dig up some bat coronaviruses and spread them around in the market, pretend to act slow but have all your resources ready to jump on it and crush the outbreaks the moment they become big international news, meanwhile other countries fuck it all up and eventually it looks like they have to take some of the responsibility themselves rather than saying “well that other fella merged in front of us so we just floored it until we ploughed up their rear end, it’s clearly the other fella at fault”, and then when they insist on holding Olympics anyway because actually nobody knows because what, you can have a massive superspreading event across all the athletes so they’ll be physically disabled for future competitions.

Genius we tell yous.

I am starting to think that this virus was cooked up by BIG Fashion industries… I can imagine the table meeting

angry guy: (slamming fist on table) we HAVE to come up with new fashion.. shirts, pants, skirts dresses, underwear, socks, shoes and hats are just not enough..
work experience kid: um. how about some sort of face covering like they do in middle eastern countries?
exec: don’t be ridiculous.. there’s no way we can market face covering to the western world, there is already so much mistrust out there
work experience kid: what if we make it so they think it’s a health benefit.. like we pretended with crocs and those thongs with the spiky soles…
angry guy: by GOD you might have something here!
work experience kid: we could do matching fabrics with shirts and dresses.. add in some pattern, photos, kooky stuff..
exec: how are we supposed to get people to wear masks? the only people who do are those in a medical setting… are we supposed to introduce some sort of air pollutant ? the people in LA would never fall for that.
work experience kid: maybe a virus?
angry guy: (looking at work experience kids batman t shirt) I think I’ve got this…
quiet hipster dude being paid far more than they are worth: I can’t wait for my trip to China..
(angry guy and exec look at each other… )
exec: I’m on it…

Arts said:

I am starting to think that this virus was cooked up by BIG Fashion industries… I can imagine the table meeting

angry guy: (slamming fist on table) we HAVE to come up with new fashion.. shirts, pants, skirts dresses, underwear, socks, shoes and hats are just not enough..
work experience kid: um. how about some sort of face covering like they do in middle eastern countries?
exec: don’t be ridiculous.. there’s no way we can market face covering to the western world, there is already so much mistrust out there
work experience kid: what if we make it so they think it’s a health benefit.. like we pretended with crocs and those thongs with the spiky soles…
angry guy: by GOD you might have something here!
work experience kid: we could do matching fabrics with shirts and dresses.. add in some pattern, photos, kooky stuff..
exec: how are we supposed to get people to wear masks? the only people who do are those in a medical setting… are we supposed to introduce some sort of air pollutant ? the people in LA would never fall for that.
work experience kid: maybe a virus?
angry guy: (looking at work experience kids batman t shirt) I think I’ve got this…
quiet hipster dude being paid far more than they are worth: I can’t wait for my trip to China..
(angry guy and exec look at each other… )
exec: I’m on it…

A crafty friend handmade Hamilton masks for her and her mates when they saw the Aussie production recently. (Masks are required inside the theatre)

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

I am starting to think that this virus was cooked up by BIG Fashion industries… I can imagine the table meeting

angry guy: (slamming fist on table) we HAVE to come up with new fashion.. shirts, pants, skirts dresses, underwear, socks, shoes and hats are just not enough..
work experience kid: um. how about some sort of face covering like they do in middle eastern countries?
exec: don’t be ridiculous.. there’s no way we can market face covering to the western world, there is already so much mistrust out there
work experience kid: what if we make it so they think it’s a health benefit.. like we pretended with crocs and those thongs with the spiky soles…
angry guy: by GOD you might have something here!
work experience kid: we could do matching fabrics with shirts and dresses.. add in some pattern, photos, kooky stuff..
exec: how are we supposed to get people to wear masks? the only people who do are those in a medical setting… are we supposed to introduce some sort of air pollutant ? the people in LA would never fall for that.
work experience kid: maybe a virus?
angry guy: (looking at work experience kids batman t shirt) I think I’ve got this…
quiet hipster dude being paid far more than they are worth: I can’t wait for my trip to China..
(angry guy and exec look at each other… )
exec: I’m on it…

A crafty friend handmade Hamilton masks for her and her mates when they saw the Aussie production recently. (Masks are required inside the theatre)

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

I am starting to think that this virus was cooked up by BIG Fashion industries… I can imagine the table meeting

angry guy: (slamming fist on table) we HAVE to come up with new fashion.. shirts, pants, skirts dresses, underwear, socks, shoes and hats are just not enough..
work experience kid: um. how about some sort of face covering like they do in middle eastern countries?
exec: don’t be ridiculous.. there’s no way we can market face covering to the western world, there is already so much mistrust out there
work experience kid: what if we make it so they think it’s a health benefit.. like we pretended with crocs and those thongs with the spiky soles…
angry guy: by GOD you might have something here!
work experience kid: we could do matching fabrics with shirts and dresses.. add in some pattern, photos, kooky stuff..
exec: how are we supposed to get people to wear masks? the only people who do are those in a medical setting… are we supposed to introduce some sort of air pollutant ? the people in LA would never fall for that.
work experience kid: maybe a virus?
angry guy: (looking at work experience kids batman t shirt) I think I’ve got this…
quiet hipster dude being paid far more than they are worth: I can’t wait for my trip to China..
(angry guy and exec look at each other… )
exec: I’m on it…

A crafty friend handmade Hamilton masks for her and her mates when they saw the Aussie production recently. (Masks are required inside the theatre)

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Marcel Marceau could.

Arts said:

I am starting to think that this virus was cooked up by BIG Fashion industries… I can imagine the table meeting

angry guy: (slamming fist on table) we HAVE to come up with new fashion.. shirts, pants, skirts dresses, underwear, socks, shoes and hats are just not enough..
work experience kid: um. how about some sort of face covering like they do in middle eastern countries?
exec: don’t be ridiculous.. there’s no way we can market face covering to the western world, there is already so much mistrust out there
work experience kid: what if we make it so they think it’s a health benefit.. like we pretended with crocs and those thongs with the spiky soles…
angry guy: by GOD you might have something here!
work experience kid: we could do matching fabrics with shirts and dresses.. add in some pattern, photos, kooky stuff..
exec: how are we supposed to get people to wear masks? the only people who do are those in a medical setting… are we supposed to introduce some sort of air pollutant ? the people in LA would never fall for that.
work experience kid: maybe a virus?
angry guy: (looking at work experience kids batman t shirt) I think I’ve got this…
quiet hipster dude being paid far more than they are worth: I can’t wait for my trip to China..
(angry guy and exec look at each other… )
exec: I’m on it…

Ooohh

Tamb said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

A crafty friend handmade Hamilton masks for her and her mates when they saw the Aussie production recently. (Masks are required inside the theatre)

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Marcel Marceau could.

I disagree… much of mime is about facial expression..

Tamb said:

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

A crafty friend handmade Hamilton masks for her and her mates when they saw the Aussie production recently. (Masks are required inside the theatre)

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Marcel Marceau could.

I’ve got all his albums.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Marcel Marceau could.

I’ve got all his albums.

the b sides are really underrated.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Marcel Marceau could.

I’ve got all his albums.

I contented myself with his greatest hits collection.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Marcel Marceau could.

I’ve got all his albums.

I contented myself with his greatest hits collection.

I think MumRule’s got a ‘Hooked On…’ edition from the late 70s.

Arts said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Marcel Marceau could.

I disagree… much of mime is about facial expression..

You are quite right.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

I bet the actors didn’t wear masks

Marcel Marceau could.

I’ve got all his albums.

8 track?

Tamb said:

Arts said:

Tamb said:

Marcel Marceau could.

I disagree… much of mime is about facial expression..

You are quite right.

Except that Marcel could make Marceau wear many faces. All of which were mimed masks.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Arts said:

I disagree… much of mime is about facial expression..

You are quite right.

Except that Marcel could make Marceau wear many faces. All of which were mimed masks.

isn’t there a mimes thread for this stuff,

…

…

oh wait yes we already went right off the track in that other one

“Victorian health authorities are urgently investigating the source of infection for a man who has tested positive to coronavirus at his home in Wollert, north of Melbourne.

The Department of Health said the man, aged in his 30s, had recently returned to Australia from overseas and completed his hotel quarantine in South Australia.

“He arrived in Victoria and returned to his home in Wollert on 4 May and developed symptoms on 8 May,” the department said.

“He got tested yesterday, 10 May, and returned a positive result this morning.

“Further testing has been urgently arranged to confirm the diagnosis.

“Until that time, the Department is treating this as a positive case and acting accordingly.”

More to come.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/victoria-covid-19-case-man-north-of-melbourne/100131038

Michael V said:

“Victorian health authorities are urgently investigating the source of infection for a man who has tested positive to coronavirus at his home in Wollert, north of Melbourne.

The Department of Health said the man, aged in his 30s, had recently returned to Australia from overseas and completed his hotel quarantine in South Australia.

“He arrived in Victoria and returned to his home in Wollert on 4 May and developed symptoms on 8 May,” the department said.

“He got tested yesterday, 10 May, and returned a positive result this morning.

“Further testing has been urgently arranged to confirm the diagnosis.

“Until that time, the Department is treating this as a positive case and acting accordingly.”

More to come.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/victoria-covid-19-case-man-north-of-melbourne/100131038

FUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

“Victorian health authorities are urgently investigating the source of infection for a man who has tested positive to coronavirus at his home in Wollert, north of Melbourne.

The Department of Health said the man, aged in his 30s, had recently returned to Australia from overseas and completed his hotel quarantine in South Australia.

“He arrived in Victoria and returned to his home in Wollert on 4 May and developed symptoms on 8 May,” the department said.

“He got tested yesterday, 10 May, and returned a positive result this morning.

“Further testing has been urgently arranged to confirm the diagnosis.

“Until that time, the Department is treating this as a positive case and acting accordingly.”

More to come.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/victoria-covid-19-case-man-north-of-melbourne/100131038

FUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK.

remember this bit

Better Be Building Those Quarantine Facilities Right Now Because This Kind Of Thing Will Push Utilisation / Occupancy / Demand Right Up

http://news.chinhphu.vn/Home/Viet-Nam-EXTENDS-mandatory-quarantine-period-by-one-week/20215/43676.vgp

The mandatory quarantine period will be increased by one week to 21 days from the current 14 days, said Minister of Health Nguyen Thanh Long.

—

So looks like that B.1.617 thing (developed in India) is not only more contagious over the same period as the previous beauties, but keeps it up for longer as well.

Good news¡

—

guess what happens when jokers let pandemics grind on and on with half measures here, other half measures there, and overall partially effective strategies that apply bottleneck but not terminal selection of strains that bypass the measures

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

“Victorian health authorities are urgently investigating the source of infection for a man who has tested positive to coronavirus at his home in Wollert, north of Melbourne.

The Department of Health said the man, aged in his 30s, had recently returned to Australia from overseas and completed his hotel quarantine in South Australia.

“He arrived in Victoria and returned to his home in Wollert on 4 May and developed symptoms on 8 May,” the department said.

“He got tested yesterday, 10 May, and returned a positive result this morning.

“Further testing has been urgently arranged to confirm the diagnosis.

“Until that time, the Department is treating this as a positive case and acting accordingly.”

More to come.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/victoria-covid-19-case-man-north-of-melbourne/100131038

FUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK.

remember this bit

Better Be Building Those Quarantine Facilities Right Now Because This Kind Of Thing Will Push Utilisation / Occupancy / Demand Right Up

http://news.chinhphu.vn/Home/Viet-Nam-EXTENDS-mandatory-quarantine-period-by-one-week/20215/43676.vgp

The mandatory quarantine period will be increased by one week to 21 days from the current 14 days, said Minister of Health Nguyen Thanh Long.

—

So looks like that B.1.617 thing (developed in India) is not only more contagious over the same period as the previous beauties, but keeps it up for longer as well.

Good news¡

—

guess what happens when jokers let pandemics grind on and on with half measures here, other half measures there, and overall partially effective strategies that apply bottleneck but not terminal selection of strains that bypass the measures

Don’t know how some of these decision aren’t considered mass incompetence or gross neglect and criminal charges laid

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

guess what happens when jokers let pandemics grind on and on with half measures here, other half measures there, and overall partially effective strategies that apply bottleneck but not terminal selection of strains that bypass the measures

Don’t know how some of these decision aren’t considered mass incompetence or gross neglect and criminal charges laid

Oh, they certainly are considered mass incompetence or gross neglect, but of course there will be no charges laid because the trouble is that these decisions are made by the people in charge / in power / in the positions of judgement so they’ll walk away with hands washed clean all over again.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

guess what happens when jokers let pandemics grind on and on with half measures here, other half measures there, and overall partially effective strategies that apply bottleneck but not terminal selection of strains that bypass the measures

Don’t know how some of these decision aren’t considered mass incompetence or gross neglect and criminal charges laid

Oh, they certainly are considered mass incompetence or gross neglect, but of course there will be no charges laid because the trouble is that these decisions are made by the people in charge / in power / in the positions of judgement so they’ll walk away with hands washed clean all over again.

Pretty much I reckon unless they get lynched by their own people

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Don’t know how some of these decision aren’t considered mass incompetence or gross neglect and criminal charges laid

Oh, they certainly are considered mass incompetence or gross neglect, but of course there will be no charges laid because the trouble is that these decisions are made by the people in charge / in power / in the positions of judgement so they’ll walk away with hands washed clean all over again.

Pretty much I reckon unless they get lynched by their own people

Unfortuantely for all of us, thuis was made illegal becuse nobody could discern if they were guileless after they were dead.

Worst Covid countries in the world, by deaths per million per week.

Brazil is still 7th worst, and has been for a month.
India is ranked 44th, now nearly twice world average death rate
Russia is ranked 54th.
USA is ranked 60th.

Worst Covid countries in the world, by deaths per million per week.

Brazil is still 7th worst, and has been for a month.
India is ranked 44th, now nearly twice world average death rate
Russia is ranked 54th.
USA is ranked 60th.

Actually, things are getting much better in Eastern Europe.
Back on 21 April, Hungary was on 180 deaths/MPop/week
Now Hungary is is only 82 deaths/Mpop/week

Back on 21 April, eight countries had >100 deaths/Mpop/week
Now only one country has >100 deaths/Mpop/week
ie. Uruguay which has hardly budged in its death rate.
Paraguay has got worse over the same period.

Well there you go… another 1 million votes for proper quarantine facilities, another corruption coalition denial and refusal in the pipeline.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/man-who-did-hotel-quarantine-in-adelaide-tests-positive-covid19/100131338

South Australian health authorities are investigating whether a man who was released from hotel quarantine — then tested positive for COVID-19 in Melbourne — acquired the virus while in isolation.

Professor Spurrier said it was also possible the man acquired the virus overseas and had a long incubation period before developing symptoms.

SCIENCE said:

Well there you go… another 1 million votes for proper quarantine facilities, another corruption coalition denial and refusal in the pipeline.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/man-who-did-hotel-quarantine-in-adelaide-tests-positive-covid19/100131338

South Australian health authorities are investigating whether a man who was released from hotel quarantine — then tested positive for COVID-19 in Melbourne — acquired the virus while in isolation.

Professor Spurrier said it was also possible the man acquired the virus overseas and had a long incubation period before developing symptoms.

Building quarantine places would be taking money out of the mouths of mining companies.

Oh dear…
https://www.airbnb.co.in/rooms/31062537/description?source_impression_id=p3_1620706889_41VQ%2BwwHaNKt7jzs&guests=1&adults=1

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Well there you go… another 1 million votes for proper quarantine facilities, another corruption coalition denial and refusal in the pipeline.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/man-who-did-hotel-quarantine-in-adelaide-tests-positive-covid19/100131338

South Australian health authorities are investigating whether a man who was released from hotel quarantine — then tested positive for COVID-19 in Melbourne — acquired the virus while in isolation.

Professor Spurrier said it was also possible the man acquired the virus overseas and had a long incubation period before developing symptoms.

Building quarantine places would be taking money out of the mouths of mining companies.

Should short time quarantine facilities be user friendly or functional first and set up like isolated cells with large numbers

Dark Orange said:

Oh dear…
https://www.airbnb.co.in/rooms/31062537/description?source_impression_id=p3_1620706889_41VQ%2BwwHaNKt7jzs&guests=1&adults=1

nutters.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Well there you go… another 1 million votes for proper quarantine facilities, another corruption coalition denial and refusal in the pipeline.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/man-who-did-hotel-quarantine-in-adelaide-tests-positive-covid19/100131338

South Australian health authorities are investigating whether a man who was released from hotel quarantine — then tested positive for COVID-19 in Melbourne — acquired the virus while in isolation.

Professor Spurrier said it was also possible the man acquired the virus overseas and had a long incubation period before developing symptoms.

Building quarantine places would be taking money out of the mouths of mining companies.

Should short time quarantine facilities be user friendly or functional first and set up like isolated cells with large numbers

both

maybe the mining companies could diversify and transition to new markets instead of complaining about social change