I was briefly listening to a podcast the other day… about the revised projected timeline of the Arctic circle ice melt speeding up an likely to happen now within the next decade…. which is scary imo and disappointing.

Interesting to me was the the discussion around how losing the “reflectivity” of the Arctic Ice impacts global climate change as well.

I searched the net and found some depths of the Arctic Circle ocean area is in the vicinity of a 1000 metres and certainly deeper in other areas.

Could part of mitigating the rapid change be in placing purpose built pontoons in areas where artificial reflectivity can be re-created and replace what has been lost ?

With the aim to create a counter balance to the recession of Arctic ice and also provide artificial ice ports, for polar bears and other critters to travel out to fish feeding grounds without drowning, becoming stranded and starving like is happening in pockets now?

This idea of an artificial helping hand is being used in The Great Barrier Reef, by putting in artificial shelves to grow coral at depths to regenerate lost reef coral and place the shelves at optimal sea level to offset the bleaching risks of rising sea temperatures.

If we can work out how important the reflectivity is, then maybe we can calculate how much artificial surface area needs to be produced.

It may prove to be one of the keys alongside carbon absorption approaches to curb global warmer by harnessing what nature was doing before the balance was tilted and pushed into acceleration and rapid change that scientists understand pushes the buttons on mass extinction as some critters on the microscopic and larger don’t always make it through to sharp changes in climate change causing a domino effect.

An artificial shadow in the form of a giant umbrella shaped satellite way out in space can block sunlight on the poles?

I think the idea has been around for a while.

Tau.Neutrino said:

An artificial shadow in the form of a giant umbrella shaped satellite way out in space can block sunlight on the poles?

I think the idea has been around for a while.

the animals need to be able to source their food , this has occurred with penguins as well if the distance between food supplies and the reasonable distances to land is too far apart they don’t survive and each generation depletes leading to lack of diversity , genetic issues and risk of extinction.

Maintaining the balance between Apex predators and those under the Apex ladder are important to the ocean’s balance as well as the global warming.

Tau.Neutrino said:

An artificial shadow in the form of a giant umbrella shaped satellite way out in space can block sunlight on the poles?

I think the idea has been around for a while.

There is a new white paint that has come onto the market with high reflectivity 98%, this paint could be used on the umbrella satellite/s

New white paint reflects up to 98% of the sun’s heat
https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2020/07/new-white-paint-is-super-cool/

Whitewashed buildings that stay cool by reflecting heat are a mainstay in the Mediterranean. But not all white paint is created equal. Now researchers have made an ultra-white cooling paint that reflects up to 98 percent of the sun’s heat.

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

An artificial shadow in the form of a giant umbrella shaped satellite way out in space can block sunlight on the poles?

I think the idea has been around for a while.

There is a new white paint that has come onto the market with high reflectivity 98%, this paint could be used on the umbrella satellite/s

New white paint reflects up to 98% of the sun’s heat
https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2020/07/new-white-paint-is-super-cool/

Whitewashed buildings that stay cool by reflecting heat are a mainstay in the Mediterranean. But not all white paint is created equal. Now researchers have made an ultra-white cooling paint that reflects up to 98 percent of the sun’s heat.

more…

cool!

I think Mollwollfumble worked out the number of satellites and where to place them in a previous thread.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I think Mollwollfumble worked out the number of satellites and where to place them in a previous thread.

nice. i still like the idea of having things in place for the critters as well.

monkey skipper said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I think Mollwollfumble worked out the number of satellites and where to place them in a previous thread.

nice. i still like the idea of having things in place for the critters as well.

We are a destructive species drawing over our resource base and as a collective species very slow to learn to curb different levels of greed.

Smaller families
Smaller homes
Smaller cars
Wearing warmer clothing
Reducing energy for heating and cooling
Reducing the amount of consumer goods
Recycling all white goods, electrical goods and computer goods
Designing smarter homes
Designing smarter cities
Designing smaller road transport systems
Designing in smaller carbon footprint for the life of each person home vehicle etc
Reducing our waste to zero
No wasting of any food
Longer upgrade paths for technology
Designing in future planning to save humanity from various extinction threats
Smarter use of energy across all fields.
and so on, there are many more related points of interest

Designing smarter road transport systems

I think the Arctic pontoons will need to be very large to have any effect. Like… tens and probably hundreds of square km. I am not sure what sort of materials would be suitable for such large structures. The would have to be strong to withstand the weather and the currents in the area. They would also need to be well anchored and well connected otherwise they would be a risk of just drifting off. There is also a chance of them being damaged by floating ice drifting on the currents, so they’d have to be able to deal with that too. Not sure if the technology exists.

i’d expect humans are making problems so big, those changes would require centuries if not thousands of years to right themselves if all humans largely vanished from the planet, further some of the problems might be argued to require even longer periods, and of course many species will never be seen again

evidently humans are not entirely friendly to evolved structure/s that are climate and life on earth

one of the biggest shortcomings has been ignorance of evolved systems’ sensitivity to atmospheric carbon, the carbon cycle

but there are many billions yet to be born, the birth rate will exceed the death rate for a long time yet globally, then rather abruptly the death rate will way exceed the birth rate, so the collective wisdom has a lot of expansion yet to happen

one could ask if the force of human culture is hostile toward evolved structure

consider the contradictions at work in that last sentence above, you and I operating in a social environment which amplifies the contemporary social environment as the determining force governing behavior, including strong ideas it ought, but the climate systems of the planet and evolved life came about over time-scales largely incomprehensible to many people

and everyone wants change (well, a lot of people seem to worship it), well that’s exactly what people are getting, and there’s plenty more to come

the north polar ice is melting, there’s some change, makes for more news, to fill the 24/7 news services, everyone can watch it on their devices, well I doubt it’s interesting enough alone really, but in decades to come there will be enough bad stuff happening for everyone and anyone’s entertainment, the global news, right there in your hand, in your house

you would want your core ego circling around that lot of troubles

transition said:

i’d expect humans are making problems so big, those changes would require centuries if not thousands of years to right themselves if all humans largely vanished from the planet, further some of the problems might be argued to require even longer periods, and of course many species will never be seen again

evidently humans are not entirely friendly to evolved structure/s that are climate and life on earth

one of the biggest shortcomings has been ignorance of evolved systems’ sensitivity to atmospheric carbon, the carbon cycle

but there are many billions yet to be born, the birth rate will exceed the death rate for a long time yet globally, then rather abruptly the death rate will way exceed the birth rate, so the collective wisdom has a lot of expansion yet to happen

one could ask if the force of human culture is hostile toward evolved structure

consider the contradictions at work in that last sentence above, you and I operating in a social environment which amplifies the contemporary social environment as the determining force governing behavior, including strong ideas it ought, but the climate systems of the planet and evolved life came about over time-scales largely incomprehensible to many people

and everyone wants change (well, a lot of people seem to worship it), well that’s exactly what people are getting, and there’s plenty more to come

the north polar ice is melting, there’s some change, makes for more news, to fill the 24/7 news services, everyone can watch it on their devices, well I doubt it’s interesting enough alone really, but in decades to come there will be enough bad stuff happening for everyone and anyone’s entertainment, the global news, right there in your hand, in your house

you would want your core ego circling around that lot of troubles

last sentence should’ve been writ as below
you wouldn’t want your core ego circling around that lot of troubles

party_pants said:

I think the Arctic pontoons will need to be very large to have any effect. Like… tens and probably hundreds of square km. I am not sure what sort of materials would be suitable for such large structures. The would have to be strong to withstand the weather and the currents in the area. They would also need to be well anchored and well connected otherwise they would be a risk of just drifting off. There is also a chance of them being damaged by floating ice drifting on the currents, so they’d have to be able to deal with that too. Not sure if the technology exists.

Maybe the pontoons could be placed as necessary stepping stones out to sea in joinable sets , but coupled with the wave energy underwater thingoes.