Paleo poo shows how our gut bugs have changed over time
ABC Science
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A new study has found that our gut bugs are vastly different from those that inhabited our hunter-gatherer ancestors, revealing how our switch to a more industrial lifestyle has influenced our microbiome.

Interesting, ta. I hope to restore some ancient microbes to my guts via home-fermenting of vegetation.

If you had no idea what this object is, you might think it’s a lump of old shit carefully mounted in a glass display thingy.

And you’d be right.

Bubblecar said:

Interesting, ta. I hope to restore some ancient microbes to my guts via home-fermenting of vegetation.

If you had no idea what this object is, you might think it’s a lump of old shit carefully mounted in a glass display thingy.

And you’d be right.

I’ve heard that you can’t polish a turd but that one seems to have a sheen.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Interesting, ta. I hope to restore some ancient microbes to my guts via home-fermenting of vegetation.

If you had no idea what this object is, you might think it’s a lump of old shit carefully mounted in a glass display thingy.

And you’d be right.

I’ve heard that you can’t polish a turd but that one seems to have a sheen.

Mythbusters polished a turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Basically its like clay, clay can be polished, poo can be polished.

in the video Adam Savage discusses a gloss unit of 70 anything above a gloss unit of 70 is shiny, Adam achieved a gloss unit of 106 with a polished turd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossmeter

https://www.rhopointinstruments.com/faqs/what-is-a-gloss-unit/

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Interesting, ta. I hope to restore some ancient microbes to my guts via home-fermenting of vegetation.

If you had no idea what this object is, you might think it’s a lump of old shit carefully mounted in a glass display thingy.

And you’d be right.

I’ve heard that you can’t polish a turd but that one seems to have a sheen.

Mythbusters polished a turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Basically its like clay, clay can be polished, poo can be polished.

in the video Adam Savage discusses a gloss unit of 70 anything above a gloss unit of 70 is shiny, Adam achieved a gloss unit of 106 with a polished turd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossmeter

https://www.rhopointinstruments.com/faqs/what-is-a-gloss-unit/

If you want to try it, the underneath side of a teaspoon will speed things up.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve heard that you can’t polish a turd but that one seems to have a sheen.

Mythbusters polished a turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Basically its like clay, clay can be polished, poo can be polished.

in the video Adam Savage discusses a gloss unit of 70 anything above a gloss unit of 70 is shiny, Adam achieved a gloss unit of 106 with a polished turd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossmeter

https://www.rhopointinstruments.com/faqs/what-is-a-gloss-unit/

If you want to try it, the underneath side of a teaspoon will speed things up.

No thanks. Not my scene.

But feel free to do it in the comfort of your own home.

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Mythbusters polished a turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Basically its like clay, clay can be polished, poo can be polished.

in the video Adam Savage discusses a gloss unit of 70 anything above a gloss unit of 70 is shiny, Adam achieved a gloss unit of 106 with a polished turd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossmeter

https://www.rhopointinstruments.com/faqs/what-is-a-gloss-unit/

If you want to try it, the underneath side of a teaspoon will speed things up.

No thanks. Not my scene.

But feel free to do it in the comfort of your own home.

I’ll pass it on to someone else too.

Watched the video, no need to do it at home.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

If you want to try it, the underneath side of a teaspoon will speed things up.

No thanks. Not my scene.

But feel free to do it in the comfort of your own home.

I’ll pass it on to someone else too.

Watched the video, no need to do it at home.

There was a famous Artist who sold his shit in a can

Piero Manzoni

In 1961, one Italian artist named Piero Manzoni decided to fill tin cans with his excrement and call them art. You read that right. Human poop literally turned into art because a particular person canned it. Manzoni even named his production run “Artist’s Shit.”

How One Artist Turned Cans Of Poop Into $300,000 Pieces Of Art
https://allthatsinteresting.com/piero-manzoni

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

No thanks. Not my scene.

But feel free to do it in the comfort of your own home.

I’ll pass it on to someone else too.

Watched the video, no need to do it at home.

There was a famous Artist who sold his shit in a can

Piero Manzoni

In 1961, one Italian artist named Piero Manzoni decided to fill tin cans with his excrement and call them art. You read that right. Human poop literally turned into art because a particular person canned it. Manzoni even named his production run “Artist’s Shit.”

How One Artist Turned Cans Of Poop Into $300,000 Pieces Of Art
https://allthatsinteresting.com/piero-manzoni

I hope he polished them by hand, it would have more meaning then.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’ll pass it on to someone else too.

Watched the video, no need to do it at home.

There was a famous Artist who sold his shit in a can

Piero Manzoni

In 1961, one Italian artist named Piero Manzoni decided to fill tin cans with his excrement and call them art. You read that right. Human poop literally turned into art because a particular person canned it. Manzoni even named his production run “Artist’s Shit.”

How One Artist Turned Cans Of Poop Into $300,000 Pieces Of Art
https://allthatsinteresting.com/piero-manzoni

I hope he polished them by hand, it would have more meaning then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit

Some exploded.

LOL

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

There was a famous Artist who sold his shit in a can

Piero Manzoni

In 1961, one Italian artist named Piero Manzoni decided to fill tin cans with his excrement and call them art. You read that right. Human poop literally turned into art because a particular person canned it. Manzoni even named his production run “Artist’s Shit.”

How One Artist Turned Cans Of Poop Into $300,000 Pieces Of Art
https://allthatsinteresting.com/piero-manzoni

I hope he polished them by hand, it would have more meaning then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit

Some exploded.

LOL

so how is any of this different to dogethertcoin and NFTs¿

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Interesting, ta. I hope to restore some ancient microbes to my guts via home-fermenting of vegetation.

If you had no idea what this object is, you might think it’s a lump of old shit carefully mounted in a glass display thingy.

And you’d be right.

I’ve heard that you can’t polish a turd but that one seems to have a sheen.

Mythbusters polished a turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd

Mythbusters Polishing a Turd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Basically its like clay, clay can be polished, poo can be polished.

in the video Adam Savage discusses a gloss unit of 70 anything above a gloss unit of 70 is shiny, Adam achieved a gloss unit of 106 with a polished turd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossmeter

https://www.rhopointinstruments.com/faqs/what-is-a-gloss-unit/

I remember how long it took them to master that art.

roughbarked said:

Paleo poo shows how our gut bugs have changed over time
ABC Science
/

A new study has found that our gut bugs are vastly different from those that inhabited our hunter-gatherer ancestors, revealing how our switch to a more industrial lifestyle has influenced our microbiome.

Good.

I’d be prepared to bet that our gut microbiome is less deadly than it used to be.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Paleo poo shows how our gut bugs have changed over time
ABC Science
/

A new study has found that our gut bugs are vastly different from those that inhabited our hunter-gatherer ancestors, revealing how our switch to a more industrial lifestyle has influenced our microbiome.

Good.

I’d be prepared to bet that our gut microbiome is less deadly than it used to be.

Possibly.

Their conclusions seem to be gut feelings…

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Paleo poo shows how our gut bugs have changed over time
ABC Science
/

A new study has found that our gut bugs are vastly different from those that inhabited our hunter-gatherer ancestors, revealing how our switch to a more industrial lifestyle has influenced our microbiome.

Good.

I’d be prepared to bet that our gut microbiome is less deadly than it used to be.

I was thinking along those lines as well. However, if you’d read the article right through you’d have noticed that in relation to one pathogen, Treponema succinifaciens, clearly wiped out by antibiotics because it was only present in all ancient samples.;
“This isn’t necessarily good news”, Dr Kostic said.

“It was present in every single one of our ancient samples, which suggests that it’s a human-associated microbe.”

“It’s reasonable to suspect that it’s performing important functions in keeping us healthy, and that its disappearance is, on average, not good for us.”

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Paleo poo shows how our gut bugs have changed over time
ABC Science
/

A new study has found that our gut bugs are vastly different from those that inhabited our hunter-gatherer ancestors, revealing how our switch to a more industrial lifestyle has influenced our microbiome.

Good.

I’d be prepared to bet that our gut microbiome is less deadly than it used to be.

Possibly.

Their conclusions seem to be gut feelings…

:)

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Paleo poo shows how our gut bugs have changed over time
ABC Science
/

A new study has found that our gut bugs are vastly different from those that inhabited our hunter-gatherer ancestors, revealing how our switch to a more industrial lifestyle has influenced our microbiome.

Good.

I’d be prepared to bet that our gut microbiome is less deadly than it used to be.

I was thinking along those lines as well. However, if you’d read the article right through you’d have noticed that in relation to one pathogen, Treponema succinifaciens, clearly wiped out by antibiotics because it was only present in all ancient samples.;
“This isn’t necessarily good news”, Dr Kostic said.

“It was present in every single one of our ancient samples, which suggests that it’s a human-associated microbe.”

“It’s reasonable to suspect that it’s performing important functions in keeping us healthy, and that its disappearance is, on average, not good for us.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treponema_succinifaciens

Treponema succinifaciens is found in the gut microbiome of some human populations, but is not found in humans living in urban areas. The bacterium has been found in many rural and traditional human populations such as Pygmies, Bedouins, Amazonians, and Tuaregs. This is likely due to increased antibiotic use in urban populations, as well as cross-contamination from animals in rural and traditional populations.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Good.

I’d be prepared to bet that our gut microbiome is less deadly than it used to be.

I was thinking along those lines as well. However, if you’d read the article right through you’d have noticed that in relation to one pathogen, Treponema succinifaciens, clearly wiped out by antibiotics because it was only present in all ancient samples.;
“This isn’t necessarily good news”, Dr Kostic said.

“It was present in every single one of our ancient samples, which suggests that it’s a human-associated microbe.”

“It’s reasonable to suspect that it’s performing important functions in keeping us healthy, and that its disappearance is, on average, not good for us.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treponema_succinifaciens

Treponema succinifaciens is found in the gut microbiome of some human populations, but is not found in humans living in urban areas. The bacterium has been found in many rural and traditional human populations such as Pygmies, Bedouins, Amazonians, and Tuaregs. This is likely due to increased antibiotic use in urban populations, as well as cross-contamination from animals in rural and traditional populations.

Yes. Virtually absent in European and North American populations.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

I was thinking along those lines as well. However, if you’d read the article right through you’d have noticed that in relation to one pathogen, Treponema succinifaciens, clearly wiped out by antibiotics because it was only present in all ancient samples.;
“This isn’t necessarily good news”, Dr Kostic said.

“It was present in every single one of our ancient samples, which suggests that it’s a human-associated microbe.”

“It’s reasonable to suspect that it’s performing important functions in keeping us healthy, and that its disappearance is, on average, not good for us.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treponema_succinifaciens

Treponema succinifaciens is found in the gut microbiome of some human populations, but is not found in humans living in urban areas. The bacterium has been found in many rural and traditional human populations such as Pygmies, Bedouins, Amazonians, and Tuaregs. This is likely due to increased antibiotic use in urban populations, as well as cross-contamination from animals in rural and traditional populations.

Yes. Virtually absent in European and North American populations.

the point being, are these people any more healthy than those who don’t have this microbe? I mean we actually have two populations to compare.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treponema_succinifaciens

Treponema succinifaciens is found in the gut microbiome of some human populations, but is not found in humans living in urban areas. The bacterium has been found in many rural and traditional human populations such as Pygmies, Bedouins, Amazonians, and Tuaregs. This is likely due to increased antibiotic use in urban populations, as well as cross-contamination from animals in rural and traditional populations.

Yes. Virtually absent in European and North American populations.

the point being, are these people any more healthy than those who don’t have this microbe? I mean we actually have two populations to compare.

Obviously something to look at now that they are aware.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. Virtually absent in European and North American populations.

the point being, are these people any more healthy than those who don’t have this microbe? I mean we actually have two populations to compare.

Obviously something to look at now that they are aware.

seems they have been aware for a while.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treponema_succinifaciens

Treponema succinifaciens is found in the gut microbiome of some human populations, but is not found in humans living in urban areas. The bacterium has been found in many rural and traditional human populations such as Pygmies, Bedouins, Amazonians, and Tuaregs. This is likely due to increased antibiotic use in urban populations, as well as cross-contamination from animals in rural and traditional populations.

Yes. Virtually absent in European and North American populations.

the point being, are these people any more healthy than those who don’t have this microbe? I mean we actually have two populations to compare.

I was trying to think back to my microbiology lectures back in 1979ish, Treponema sounded familiar. More particularly T. pallidum. Ahah!

>>Treponema pallidum is a spirochaete bacterium with various subspecies that cause the diseases syphilis, bejel, and yaws. It is transmitted only amongst humans. It is a helically coiled microorganism usually 6–15 μm long and 0.1–0.2 μm wide.<< Wikipedia

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. Virtually absent in European and North American populations.

the point being, are these people any more healthy than those who don’t have this microbe? I mean we actually have two populations to compare.

I was trying to think back to my microbiology lectures back in 1979ish, Treponema sounded familiar. More particularly T. pallidum. Ahah!

>>Treponema pallidum is a spirochaete bacterium with various subspecies that cause the diseases syphilis, bejel, and yaws. It is transmitted only amongst humans. It is a helically coiled microorganism usually 6–15 μm long and 0.1–0.2 μm wide.<< Wikipedia

Well done, so people in backward areas have more disease.
That comes as no surprise to PWM.

read that cheers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkermansia_muciniphila
now reading this^

“Akkermansia muciniphila is a species of human intestinal mucin-degrading bacterium, the type species for a new genus, Akkermansia, proposed in 2004 by Muriel Derrien and Willem de Vos.:1474 Extensive research is being undertaken to understand its association with obesity, diabetes, and inflammation..”

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the point being, are these people any more healthy than those who don’t have this microbe? I mean we actually have two populations to compare.

I was trying to think back to my microbiology lectures back in 1979ish, Treponema sounded familiar. More particularly T. pallidum. Ahah!

>>Treponema pallidum is a spirochaete bacterium with various subspecies that cause the diseases syphilis, bejel, and yaws. It is transmitted only amongst humans. It is a helically coiled microorganism usually 6–15 μm long and 0.1–0.2 μm wide.<< Wikipedia

Well done, so people in backward areas have more disease.
That comes as no surprise to PWM.

:)

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

I was trying to think back to my microbiology lectures back in 1979ish, Treponema sounded familiar. More particularly T. pallidum. Ahah!

>>Treponema pallidum is a spirochaete bacterium with various subspecies that cause the diseases syphilis, bejel, and yaws. It is transmitted only amongst humans. It is a helically coiled microorganism usually 6–15 μm long and 0.1–0.2 μm wide.<< Wikipedia

Well done, so people in backward areas have more disease.
That comes as no surprise to PWM.

:)

Seriously
we’re lauding people who’d die at the ripe old age of 45yo?-:

Ogmog said:

we’re lauding people who’d die at the ripe old age of 45yo?-:

why not, everyone knows that travel and gathering restrictions, masking and vaccination all kill more people than the diseases they’re meant to prevent

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well done, so people in backward areas have more disease.
That comes as no surprise to PWM.

:)

Seriously
we’re lauding people who’d die at the ripe old age of 45yo?-:

LOL

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well done, so people in backward areas have more disease.
That comes as no surprise to PWM.

:)

Seriously
we’re lauding people who’d die at the ripe old age of 45yo?-:

They were not armchair experts that could go down to the supermarket and get everything they needed. They had to go out find or catch it with all its inherent dangers. Go and enjoy your tv and don’t concern yourself that a very large cave bear has been seen in the area.

PermeateFree said:

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

:)

Seriously
we’re lauding people who’d die at the ripe old age of 45yo?-:

They were not armchair experts that could go down to the supermarket and get everything they needed. They had to go out find or catch it with all its inherent dangers. Go and enjoy your tv and don’t concern yourself that a very large cave bear has been seen in the area.

Yeah, I was taking that into account
but I was referring to people only a hunnert years go
you know, back in grannie’s day

Ogmog said:

PermeateFree said:

Ogmog said:

Seriously
we’re lauding people who’d die at the ripe old age of 45yo?-:

They were not armchair experts that could go down to the supermarket and get everything they needed. They had to go out find or catch it with all its inherent dangers. Go and enjoy your tv and don’t concern yourself that a very large cave bear has been seen in the area.

Yeah, I was taking that into account
but I was referring to people only a hunnert years go
you know, back in grannie’s day

Suppose cave bears had gone extinct by then, so granny could carry on as usual.

PermeateFree said:

Ogmog said:

PermeateFree said:

They were not armchair experts that could go down to the supermarket and get everything they needed. They had to go out find or catch it with all its inherent dangers. Go and enjoy your tv and don’t concern yourself that a very large cave bear has been seen in the area.

Yeah, I was taking that into account
but I was referring to people only a hunnert years go
you know, back in grannie’s day

Suppose cave bears had gone extinct by then, so granny could carry on as usual.

Back 115 years ago in parts of Jamaica, the median life expectancy was 4 years for people of all races, and that’s for years without epidemics. Mosquito-bourne diseases.

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

Ogmog said:

Yeah, I was taking that into account
but I was referring to people only a hunnert years go
you know, back in grannie’s day

Suppose cave bears had gone extinct by then, so granny could carry on as usual.

Back 115 years ago in parts of Jamaica, the median life expectancy was 4 years for people of all races, and that’s for years without epidemics. Mosquito-bourne diseases.

indeed
we may have our diabetic arse propped up in front of our TV
but most of us have lived long enough to remember when Aunty Jack Introduced Colour TV to Australia