Need a new one.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-15/india-repatriation-flight-lands-in-darwin/100141594
I can see two ways to deal with this:
1. What is being done, test before and refuse passage to people testing positive.
2. Bring back everyone who wants to get on the flight, but quarantine is for a full month when they get here.
I think that should nearly cover the lag times?
buffy said:
2. Bring back everyone who wants to get on the flight, but quarantine is for a full month when they get here.
so do we(1,1,1) reckon doubling quarantine capacity is feasible, especially given the absolute refusal to increase it at all
They just knocked back 40 people from getting on a flight because they tested positive. What are they supposed to do, let them onto the plane. I’d hate to be one of the other passengers if that was the case.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:2. Bring back everyone who wants to get on the flight, but quarantine is for a full month when they get here.
so do we(1,1,1) reckon doubling quarantine capacity is feasible, especially given the absolute refusal to increase it at all
If you are going to bring in people you know are carrying the virus, you can only do that with dedicated proper quarantine facilities. You can’t do that with hotel quarantine.
sibeen said:
They just knocked back 40 people from getting on a flight because they tested positive. What are they supposed to do, let them onto the plane. I’d hate to be one of the other passengers if that was the case.
I agree with you on that. So it could be made that if you want to come home, that is a risk you take, and then the quarantine period is longer. Or there needs to be separate flights for positives. Like a medical evacuation.
sibeen said:
They just knocked back 40 people from getting on a flight because they tested positive. What are they supposed to do, let them onto the plane. I’d hate to be one of the other passengers if that was the case.
Buggered if I know. Do you have separate flights for infected and uninfected? There is an argument that the infected people would get better treatment in Aus than what is available in India. But how to move them safely, and stop them passing it on.
Wouldn’t want the crew and pilots getting ill either.
Hard to know what is the best thing.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
They just knocked back 40 people from getting on a flight because they tested positive. What are they supposed to do, let them onto the plane. I’d hate to be one of the other passengers if that was the case.
Buggered if I know. Do you have separate flights for infected and uninfected? There is an argument that the infected people would get better treatment in Aus than what is available in India. But how to move them safely, and stop them passing it on.
Wouldn’t want the crew and pilots getting ill either.
Hard to know what is the best thing.
Apparently the South American military had an effective method.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
They just knocked back 40 people from getting on a flight because they tested positive. What are they supposed to do, let them onto the plane. I’d hate to be one of the other passengers if that was the case.
Buggered if I know. Do you have separate flights for infected and uninfected? There is an argument that the infected people would get better treatment in Aus than what is available in India. But how to move them safely, and stop them passing it on.
Wouldn’t want the crew and pilots getting ill either.
Hard to know what is the best thing.
Maintaining safety in transport isn’t extremely difficult, so long as everyone wears N95 masks — there is plenty of experience in hospitals of suppression-elimination countries where staff aren’t dropping like flies. Still a risk, of course, and not being there we won’t comment on whether it’s considered acceptable from their perspective.
A couple of N95 masks won’t cost as much as a flight, surely.
Then there’s the option of running big UV lamps and spraying some hypochlorite around but that’s less proven even if still cheap.
Has that plane form India landed yet? Where can I watch it land. Are there any reporters there?
I want to watch it land. Over and over and over again. Which tele channel should I tune in to?
Is it on Youtube yet? Tik Tok? Twitter? Facebook? Ebay?
I want links. Links, links links links and more links.
The media are not doin’ there job properly unless I’m forced to watch it a thousand times. Over and over and over again.
I know it’s been flogged to death on the ABC but where else can I watch it?
I want links.
Woodie said:
Has that plane form India landed yet? Where can I watch it land. Are there any reporters there?I want to watch it land. Over and over and over again. Which tele channel should I tune in to?
Is it on Youtube yet? Tik Tok? Twitter? Facebook? Ebay?
I want links. Links, links links links and more links.
The media are not doin’ there job properly unless I’m forced to watch it a thousand times. Over and over and over again.
I know it’s been flogged to death on the ABC but where else can I watch it?
I want links.
what do you think this is, some kind of groundbreaking interplanetary mission ¿ one that you wouldn’t be hesitating to broadcast if it worked out beautifully ¿ wait
Woodie said:
Has that plane form India landed yet? Where can I watch it land. Are there any reporters there?I want to watch it land. Over and over and over again. Which tele channel should I tune in to?
Is it on Youtube yet? Tik Tok? Twitter? Facebook? Ebay?
I want links. Links, links links links and more links.
The media are not doin’ there job properly unless I’m forced to watch it a thousand times. Over and over and over again.
I know it’s been flogged to death on the ABC but where else can I watch it?
I want links.
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:Has that plane form India landed yet? Where can I watch it land. Are there any reporters there?I want to watch it land. Over and over and over again. Which tele channel should I tune in to?
Is it on Youtube yet? Tik Tok? Twitter? Facebook? Ebay?
I want links. Links, links links links and more links.
The media are not doin’ there job properly unless I’m forced to watch it a thousand times. Over and over and over again.
I know it’s been flogged to death on the ABC but where else can I watch it?
I want links.
Woodie said:
Has that plane form India landed yet? Where can I watch it land. Are there any reporters there?I want to watch it land. Over and over and over again. Which tele channel should I tune in to?
Is it on Youtube yet? Tik Tok? Twitter? Facebook? Ebay?
I want links. Links, links links links and more links.
The media are not doin’ there job properly unless I’m forced to watch it a thousand times. Over and over and over again.
I know it’s been flogged to death on the ABC but where else can I watch it?
I want links.
Some of the overseas countries are keeping the links to themselves and to be brutally frank I don’t think you are high risk enough to get a link.
https://media.giphy.com/media/XynPjr1qQD8yCo6kA0/giphy.gif
Witty Rejoinder said:
oh all right then
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
oh all right then
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
Has that plane form India landed yet? Where can I watch it land. Are there any reporters there?I want to watch it land. Over and over and over again. Which tele channel should I tune in to?
Is it on Youtube yet? Tik Tok? Twitter? Facebook? Ebay?
I want links. Links, links links links and more links.
The media are not doin’ there job properly unless I’m forced to watch it a thousand times. Over and over and over again.
I know it’s been flogged to death on the ABC but where else can I watch it?
I want links.
Some of the overseas countries are keeping the links to themselves and to be brutally frank I don’t think you are high risk enough to get a link.
No, no, no, no, no, Mr Man.
A decent quality video of this could have this country leave it’s mark on the COVID world. A real, long lasting mark, that would have this country’s name on everyone’s lips. The most notable event of the pandemic so far. I kid you not. I mean, a repat plane arriving from COVID ravaged India. WOW. The world would be amazed. A video up there in reach and number of views not seen since that space shuttle blew up, or that mad cow kept slipping over in the mud.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:
oh all right then
anyway we apologise that it’s a bit out of the chain but we also offer this one
but even just in general
As India’s health system sags under the weight of an unprecedented second wave of COVID-19, medical quackery is growing in the gaps. From cow dung baths to mass “anti-COVID” steam-inhalation events, misinformation is rampant — and some government officials have been partly to blame.
SCIENCE said:
Earth-Shattering News: The Difference Between Successful Pandemic Control And Completely Fucking Up Isn’t Whether Governments Are Democracies Or Democracies, But Whether They Go With SCIENCE Or Go With Shit, Literally Sometimes
but even just in general
As India’s health system sags under the weight of an unprecedented second wave of COVID-19, medical quackery is growing in the gaps. From cow dung baths to mass “anti-COVID” steam-inhalation events, misinformation is rampant — and some government officials have been partly to blame.
Maybe it’s to give people hope even though the officials are helpless.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
They just knocked back 40 people from getting on a flight because they tested positive. What are they supposed to do, let them onto the plane. I’d hate to be one of the other passengers if that was the case.
Buggered if I know. Do you have separate flights for infected and uninfected? There is an argument that the infected people would get better treatment in Aus than what is available in India. But how to move them safely, and stop them passing it on.
Wouldn’t want the crew and pilots getting ill either.
Hard to know what is the best thing.
Maintaining safety in transport isn’t extremely difficult, so long as everyone wears N95 masks — there is plenty of experience in hospitals of suppression-elimination countries where staff aren’t dropping like flies. Still a risk, of course, and not being there we won’t comment on whether it’s considered acceptable from their perspective.
A couple of N95 masks won’t cost as much as a flight, surely.
Then there’s the option of running big UV lamps and spraying some hypochlorite around but that’s less proven even if still cheap.
so crap like this would then tip the balance towards saying “screw it” and bringing everyone back regardless, caveats below
flip it around though, imagine if the same proportion of people who tested negative, turned out to be positive, would the vampire bats still be squeaking out for blood
obviously the story sounds legit’ but also the people who go and retest are going to have an interest in a negative result so does that affect the chances
(you’d hope that institutions supposedly in place to do their job would do it honestly but the level of lies is making a clear call quite difficult)
you’d also still want to make sure your quarantine capacity is good, which … well, we’re still waiting
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
Earth-Shattering News: The Difference Between Successful Pandemic Control And Completely Fucking Up Isn’t Whether Governments Are Democracies Or Democracies, But Whether They Go With SCIENCE Or Go With Shit, Literally Sometimes
but even just in general
As India’s health system sags under the weight of an unprecedented second wave of COVID-19, medical quackery is growing in the gaps. From cow dung baths to mass “anti-COVID” steam-inhalation events, misinformation is rampant — and some government officials have been partly to blame.
Maybe it’s to give people hope even though the officials are helpless.
Mmmm maybe, there’s hopes and there’s lies, we’d probably be happier with “try this, since nothing else is working” than “guaranteed to turn you into a superhero”… but we’re not culturally in the same place as their population so we can’t promise more than that.
Knew It, It Was Plandemic All Along
though given economic contractions, “share” might be a better word, for the ability to protect one’s hoard from pandemic shocks
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:Arts said:do we need to capitalise the words Corona virus?
I don’t think so. It’s the descriptive word for a particular group of viruses. I think the NIH probably knows.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/understanding-common-cold-virus
iT dEpenDs
coronavirus
COVID-19
SARS-CoV-2
ApPaReNtLy tHe sUpEr rIcH HaVe
This article seems to try to go for balance but merely achieves inconsistency, in our view.
Short of it is, some unexpected cases earlier, restrictions on, can’t find link, restrictions extended, no new cases, restrictions lifted.
We’d contend that a data driven approach, rather than an ideological one, would appear similar. Id est, seems reasonable.
There’s still the question of the missing links / hlincs / lynx but if there are no cases then there’s not going to be an identifiable link. Unless
but either of those scenarios is not going to change the response. Frozen goods transmission is possible but seemingly rare, and so far unpredictable. Hiding people are hiding, so they’re basically doing their own isolation anyway so good luck to them.
SCIENCE said:
This article seems to try to go for balance but merely achieves inconsistency, in our view.Short of it is, some unexpected cases earlier, restrictions on, can’t find link, restrictions extended, no new cases, restrictions lifted.
We’d contend that a data driven approach, rather than an ideological one, would appear similar. Id est, seems reasonable.
There’s still the question of the missing links / hlincs / lynx but if there are no cases then there’s not going to be an identifiable link. Unless
- it’s indirect transmission, for example by frozen food, they were barbecuing like mad right
- someone, probably many people, are hiding to avoid detection
but either of those scenarios is not going to change the response. Frozen goods transmission is possible but seemingly rare, and so far unpredictable. Hiding people are hiding, so they’re basically doing their own isolation anyway so good luck to them.
Or a false positive.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
There’s still the question of the missing links / hlincs / lynx but if there are no cases then there’s not going to be an identifiable link. Unless
- it’s indirect transmission, for example by frozen food, they were barbecuing like mad right
- someone, probably many people, are hiding to avoid detection
but either of those scenarios is not going to change the response.
Or a false positive.
maybe but usually they’re at pains to apologise for the false positives, and if it was, then it really would change the response
unless they’re looking for a fall guy to pretend to have a true positive, to justify particular actions and responses…
“Don’t forget the Prime Minister acted very quickly ahead of the rest of the world, to close our international borders, at the time starting with China and then more broadly. “He was criticised for it, but the net result has been that Australia has been a lot more safe as a result.”
lol
A growing number of major retailers are lifting mask requirements for those who are fully inoculated after new federal guidance, largely moving to an honor system in which they trust that only vaccinated people will bare their faces.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/05/15/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases
poikilotherm said:
A growing number of major retailers are lifting mask requirements for those who are fully inoculated after new federal guidance, largely moving to an honor system in which they trust that only vaccinated people will bare their faces.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/05/15/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases
What can go wrong?
Tamb said:
poikilotherm said:SCIENCE said:poikilotherm said:Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer has challenged doctors to smash the “false idol” of COVID-19 eradication and prepare the public for the next critical phase of the pandemic: open international borders and the return of the virus in the community.fuck off
Many of these individuals, whom Dr Coatsworth chose not to name, had also co-opted the lingo of climate change politics to wage a “phoney war” over aerosol transmission of COVID-19 by calling senior medical leaders airborne transmission “deniers”, Dr Coatsworth said.
The two keywords are “former” & “deputy”
WTF
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4203867
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4204411
must have been Chairman Dan in charge there
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/nt-new-covid-case-from-india-repatriation-flight-darwin/100143632
Oh-oh…
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/nt-new-covid-case-from-india-repatriation-flight-darwin/100143632Oh-oh…
They are in quarantine but hey, wake up call.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/nt-new-covid-case-from-india-repatriation-flight-darwin/100143632Oh-oh…
They are in quarantine but hey, wake up call.
The headline is sensationalist but the article is about how it’s possible for a traveller, from a high prevalence location, now in quarantine, can test positive for disease ¡
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/nt-new-covid-case-from-india-repatriation-flight-darwin/100143632Oh-oh…
They are in quarantine but hey, wake up call.
The headline is sensationalist but the article is about how it’s possible for a traveller, from a high prevalence location, now in quarantine, can test positive for disease ¡
It is not the first time.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:They are in quarantine but hey, wake up call.
The headline is sensationalist but the article is about how it’s possible for a traveller, from a high prevalence location, now in quarantine, can test positive for disease ¡
It is not the first time.
True, we’ve messed up grammar before. Change can to to.
Mr Morrison said comparing Queensland’s proposal with another plan from Victoria was like comparing “chalk and cheese”. “The problem with it is, is we’ve never actually had a proposal,” he said. “Victoria’s put a very comprehensive proposal to us, something we can actually work with, and we are.” Mr Morrison said Victoria’s proposal would be in addition to current capacity. “We still couldn’t get straight answers on whether this proposal in Toowoomba was about replacing hotel quarantine or supplementing hotel quarantine,” he said.
SCIENCE said:
Gold Standard: Marketing Complains About Not Getting Straight Answers
Mr Morrison said comparing Queensland’s proposal with another plan from Victoria was like comparing “chalk and cheese”. “The problem with it is, is we’ve never actually had a proposal,” he said. “Victoria’s put a very comprehensive proposal to us, something we can actually work with, and we are.” Mr Morrison said Victoria’s proposal would be in addition to current capacity. “We still couldn’t get straight answers on whether this proposal in Toowoomba was about replacing hotel quarantine or supplementing hotel quarantine,” he said.
Jesu Christe
Queensland researchers and a US team have developed an antiviral therapy that has killed off the COVID-19 viral load in infected mice by 99.9 per cent.
Key points:
Lead researcher Professor Nigel McMillan, from Griffith University, called it a “seek and destroy mission” where the therapy genetically targeted the potentially deadly virus.
The international team of scientists from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland and the US research institute City of Hope began their collaborative research last April.
They used a “next-generation” viral approach using gene-silencing RNA technology to attack the virus genome directly, which stops the virus spreading.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/queensland-coronavirus-antiviral-treatment-covid-19/100144370
Michael V said:
Queensland researchers and a US team have developed an antiviral therapy that has killed off the COVID-19 viral load in infected mice by 99.9 per cent.
- Gene-silencing
“next-generation” viral approach using gene-silencing RNA
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/queensland-coronavirus-antiviral-treatment-covid-19/100144370
finally, something that will save intelligent people while the idiot conspiracy theorists die in denial, time to Let It Rip
the microchipped 5G autistic crowd will be totally taking this medicine
Cool, another pandemic that people couldn’t get their shit together to eradicate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/genomic-sequencing-used-to-track-syphilis-melbourne/100144854
A million vaccinations in the past 17 days
dv said:
A million vaccinations in the past 17 days
That’s a lot of pricks.
I was offered a flu vax while I was in to have the blood taken. I said I wasn’t sure I should, with the operation being Wednesday, and having been told not to have the COVID shot for two weeks after said knife work.
The nurse said she didn’t think that applied to the flu shot. But to be on the safe side, I said I’d have it later.
Bubblecar said:
I was offered a flu vax while I was in to have the blood taken. I said I wasn’t sure I should, with the operation being Wednesday, and having been told not to have the COVID shot for two weeks after said knife work.The nurse said she didn’t think that applied to the flu shot. But to be on the safe side, I said I’d have it later.
We’ve both had the fluvax and were ready to have COVID VAX on 1 May. We’ve got ourselves on the list for the (not so) local clinic’s list for the AZ Vax now. We await their call.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
I was offered a flu vax while I was in to have the blood taken. I said I wasn’t sure I should, with the operation being Wednesday, and having been told not to have the COVID shot for two weeks after said knife work.The nurse said she didn’t think that applied to the flu shot. But to be on the safe side, I said I’d have it later.
We’ve both had the fluvax and were ready to have COVID VAX on 1 May. We’ve got ourselves on the list for the (not so) local clinic’s list for the AZ Vax now. We await their call.
Well done. Both vaxes are now there for the asking for people of my vintage at our health centre.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
I was offered a flu vax while I was in to have the blood taken. I said I wasn’t sure I should, with the operation being Wednesday, and having been told not to have the COVID shot for two weeks after said knife work.The nurse said she didn’t think that applied to the flu shot. But to be on the safe side, I said I’d have it later.
We’ve both had the fluvax and were ready to have COVID VAX on 1 May. We’ve got ourselves on the list for the (not so) local clinic’s list for the AZ Vax now. We await their call.
Well done. Both vaxes are now there for the asking for people of my vintage at our health centre.
I can’t wait to get myself protected.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:We’ve both had the fluvax and were ready to have COVID VAX on 1 May. We’ve got ourselves on the list for the (not so) local clinic’s list for the AZ Vax now. We await their call.
Well done. Both vaxes are now there for the asking for people of my vintage at our health centre.
I can’t wait to get myself protected.
me too
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Well done. Both vaxes are now there for the asking for people of my vintage at our health centre.
I can’t wait to get myself protected.
me too
Yeah. The statistics bear it out for me. COVID death? 1:5 to 1:50 – age and comorbidities. Vaccine? 1: 100,000 for weird thrombosis, 1:250,000 or better if treated early.
Bubblecar said:
I was offered a flu vax while I was in to have the blood taken. I said I wasn’t sure I should, with the operation being Wednesday, and having been told not to have the COVID shot for two weeks after said knife work.The nurse said she didn’t think that applied to the flu shot. But to be on the safe side, I said I’d have it later.
I support this.
Rule 303 said:
Bubblecar said:
I was offered a flu vax while I was in to have the blood taken. I said I wasn’t sure I should, with the operation being Wednesday, and having been told not to have the COVID shot for two weeks after said knife work.The nurse said she didn’t think that applied to the flu shot. But to be on the safe side, I said I’d have it later.
I support this.
Reasonable.
Ms Hrdlicka argued that Australia needed to discuss opening the borders as the vaccine rollout ramped up, according to the university’s media unit. “We can’t keep out forever,” she reportedly said. “It will make us sick but won’t put us into hospital. Some people may die but it will be way smaller than the flu.”
the same lies over and over again
SCIENCE said:
Ms Hrdlicka argued that Australia needed to discuss opening the borders as the vaccine rollout ramped up, according to the university’s media unit. “We can’t keep out forever,” she reportedly said. “It will make us sick but won’t put us into hospital. Some people may die but it will be way smaller than the flu.”the same lies over and over again
Bloody hell, the stupid bitch actually said those words. How fucking clueless do you have to be to get to CEO level?
SCIENCE said:
Ms Hrdlicka argued that Australia needed to discuss opening the borders as the vaccine rollout ramped up, according to the university’s media unit. “We can’t keep out forever,” she reportedly said. “It will make us sick but won’t put us into hospital. Some people may die but it will be way smaller than the flu.”the same lies over and over again
What percentage of the population vaccinated (skewed towards the elderly) do you think would be acceptable to reopen the border to key markets like foreign students and temporary workers?
SCIENCE said:
Ms Hrdlicka argued that Australia needed to discuss opening the borders as the vaccine rollout ramped up, according to the university’s media unit. “We can’t keep out forever,” she reportedly said. “It will make us sick but won’t put us into hospital. Some people may die but it will be way smaller than the flu.”the same lies over and over again
Ms Hrdlicka..
nods
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Ms Hrdlicka argued that Australia needed to discuss opening the borders as the vaccine rollout ramped up, according to the university’s media unit. “We can’t keep out forever,” she reportedly said. “It will make us sick but won’t put us into hospital. Some people may die but it will be way smaller than the flu.”the same lies over and over again
Bloody hell, the stupid bitch actually said those words. How fucking clueless do you have to be to get to CEO level?
I think what she is saying that people who are fully vaccinated can still catch Covid, but are unlikely to end up in the horse-piddle with severe symptoms and requiring treatment. At least this seems to be the latest information available regarding the continued use of the same vaccines in spite of the new variants being discovered. So at some point when the vaccination roll out is done we will need to talk about re-opening borders.
Witty Rejoinder said:
What percentage of the population vaccinated (skewed towards the elderly) do you think would be acceptable to reopen the border to key markets like foreign students and temporary workers?
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SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What percentage of the population vaccinated (skewed towards the elderly) do you think would be acceptable to reopen the border to key markets like foreign students and temporary workers?
0
Huh?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:What percentage of the population vaccinated (skewed towards the elderly) do you think would be acceptable to reopen the border to key markets like foreign students and temporary workers?
0
Huh?
Nothing to do with vaccination. Open them to places with 0 community transmission.
ABC News:
‘‘We can’t keep COVID out forever’: Virgin boss says Australia needs to consider plan for reopening borders
By political reporter Cameron Gooley
Virgin Australia CEO Jayne Hrdlicka says Australia needs to discuss opening up its borders as the vaccine rollout ramps up.’
Translation: ‘Some of you people are just going to have to die. We have an airline to run here’.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What percentage of the population vaccinated (skewed towards the elderly) do you think would be acceptable to reopen the border to key markets like foreign students and temporary workers?
0
As long as they pay for 21 days quarantine in proper facilities, then any amount of would be acceptable, as far as I am concerned.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What percentage of the population vaccinated (skewed towards the elderly) do you think would be acceptable to reopen the border to key markets like foreign students and temporary workers?
0
As long as they pay for 21 days quarantine in proper facilities, then any amount of would be acceptable, as far as I am concerned.
And they can start coming in right now. But Australia needs proper quarantine facilities. I don’t know why the federal government has been sitting on its hands over this.
How much money has been spent incarcerating two small girls and their parents so far (and in an almost-perfectly-suitable-for-quarantine facility)?
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:0
As long as they pay for 21 days quarantine in proper facilities, then any amount of would be acceptable, as far as I am concerned.
And they can start coming in right now. But Australia needs proper quarantine facilities. I don’t know why the federal government has been sitting on its hands over this.
How much money has been spent incarcerating two small girls and their parents so far (and in an almost-perfectly-suitable-for-quarantine facility)?
This.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:0
Huh?
Nothing to do with vaccination. Open them to places with 0 community transmission.
Of course it has something to do with vaccination. It’s been hard enough trying to create travel bubbles let alone reopen the borders completely. There will come a time through vaccination that we can open borders regardless of isolated cases in the community.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Huh?
Nothing to do with vaccination. Open them to places with 0 community transmission.
Of course it has something to do with vaccination. It’s been hard enough trying to create travel bubbles let alone reopen the borders completely. There will come a time through vaccination that we can open borders regardless of isolated cases in the community.
oh so you mean enough vaccinated to reduce incidence of connected cases to 0 in the source community, sure, same thing
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:Nothing to do with vaccination. Open them to places with 0 community transmission.
Of course it has something to do with vaccination. It’s been hard enough trying to create travel bubbles let alone reopen the borders completely. There will come a time through vaccination that we can open borders regardless of isolated cases in the community.
oh so you mean enough vaccinated to reduce incidence of connected cases to 0 in the source community, sure, same thing
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Of course it has something to do with vaccination. It’s been hard enough trying to create travel bubbles let alone reopen the borders completely. There will come a time through vaccination that we can open borders regardless of isolated cases in the community.
oh so you mean enough vaccinated to reduce incidence of connected cases to 0 in the source community, sure, same thing
You’re very reticent to answer my query.
With enough vaccinated here it will matter little if we open borders to places with isolated cases.
it was answered. as said you are both saying the same thing but coming from slightly different directions. either vaccinated or not both require 0 community transmission rates,
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Of course it has something to do with vaccination. It’s been hard enough trying to create travel bubbles let alone reopen the borders completely. There will come a time through vaccination that we can open borders regardless of isolated cases in the community.
oh so you mean enough vaccinated to reduce incidence of connected cases to 0 in the source community, sure, same thing
You’re very reticent to answer my query.
With enough vaccinated here it will matter little if we open borders to places with isolated cases.
we answered the question immediately and correctly so you have permission to do with that answer whatever you like
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:oh so you mean enough vaccinated to reduce incidence of connected cases to 0 in the source community, sure, same thing
You’re very reticent to answer my query.
With enough vaccinated here it will matter little if we open borders to places with isolated cases.
we answered the question immediately and correctly so you have permission to do with that answer whatever you like
So you’re advocating closed borders until elimination within the community here and overseas?
no we’re advocating don’t let the disease get out into the community and the measures should reflect that
SCIENCE said:
no we’re advocating don’t let the disease get out into the community and the measures should reflect that
Okay. Thanks.
so what are you advocating
SCIENCE said:
so what are you advocating
I think we can probably reopen borders quicker than the federal government proposes if vaccination rates amongst the community reach 80% or thereabouts.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
so what are you advocating
I think we can probably reopen borders quicker than the federal government proposes if vaccination rates amongst the community reach 80% or thereabouts.
true, if every other country got themselves to that level of coverage, or even
if everyone just stopped fkn around for 1 to 2 months, plummeted infection rates like Dictator Dan achieved, and reset to test trace isolate effectively
then local transmissions in any locality would be negligible, and then
we could open borders the very next day
¡
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
so what are you advocating
I think we can probably reopen borders quicker than the federal government proposes if vaccination rates amongst the community reach 80% or thereabouts.
true, if every other country got themselves to that level of coverage, or even
if everyone just stopped fkn around for 1 to 2 months, plummeted infection rates like Dictator Dan achieved, and reset to test trace isolate effectively
then local transmissions in any locality would be negligible, and then
we could open borders the very next day
¡
anyway Zoe seems to agree with everyone
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
so what are you advocating
I think we can probably reopen borders quicker than the federal government proposes if vaccination rates amongst the community reach 80% or thereabouts.
The government isn’t proposing any date, however for the sake of fiscal foreward projections they need a guesstimate and they have settled on mid next year. The opening up will be a step by step process process similar to what the UK is doing now.
The ABC had yet another expert on today saying that in a normal year 2000 people die from the flu in Australia an no one bats an eyelid, he said that like the flu Covid aint going anywhere and is here to stay.
Update. Worst places for Covid.
South America now has the top six worst places from Covid.
Brazil has gone up the table from 7th worst to 5th worst
Hungary has improved enormously from 2nd worst to 11th worst
Eastern Europe has improved overall a great deal in just the last week, with former Yugoslavia worst hit.
India is sitting on 40th worst. (last week 44th worst)
Italy on 41st worst (last week 34th worst)
Russia on 47th worst (last week 54th worst)
France on 51st worst (last week 38th worst)
USA on 59th worst (last week 60th worst)
The world median of 11.16 Deaths/1M/week would put it about 64th worst, with Spain.
All in all, the whole of Europe has improved a lot this week.
Country, Deaths/1M/week, Population
World vaccination – first dose
What ever happened to Scott “live with the virus” Morrison?
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/18/2021/1621316751/role-reversal
Hrdlicka’s comments have today been condemned by figures across the political spectrum, from Greens senator and disability advocate Jordon Steele-John (“How many disabled people is it acceptable to have die?” he asked on ABC News Breakfast) to NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian (“No death is acceptable,” she said, when pressed on the comments), right through to Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who labelled the words “insensitive”. “I find it very difficult to have any truck of what was said there,” he said, also mentioning the “terrible tragedy” that was the 910 Australian lives lost to date. “I won’t take risks with Aussies’ lives” the PM added, defending his cautious reopening and praising the border closure that “so far has avoided the loss of 30,000 lives”. Morrison’s rebuke of Hrdlicka is a little hard to swallow. Isn’t this the prime minister who spent much of last year asking us to learn to “live with the virus”?
The Coalition has changed its tune on many things now that it’s politically convenient. The federal government, which used to decry the state governments for their cautious approaches on borders and lockdowns, has become extremely risk-averse, unwilling to even commit to a vaccination rate at which international borders might reopen. Morrison speaks sanctimoniously about the importance of putting lives over the economy – as if he didn’t used to attack those Labor premiers who did just that. This, after all, is the prime minister who told us to go to the footy, as desperate premiers pushed for lockdowns. It’s the prime minister who spent much of the tail end of Victoria’s lockdown trying to bully the state into fast-tracking its reopening. “It’s time,” the PM said in October, growing increasingly aggressive towards the state government (for insisting on elimination) as the lockdown went on.
This is the prime minister who, almost the whole way through this crisis, has talked of “living alongside the virus”. In July 2020, he praised New South Wales, arguing that “the best protection against the virus is to live with the virus, to live alongside the virus and to open up your economy”. “We’ve gotta live with the virus,” he told Triple M in August 2020. “The idea that you just shut everything down and put all the borders up, that is no way to live with this.” Australians, he told Sky News in September 2020, must “live alongside the virus”, and not let it “dictate how we should live”. In March this year, he declared that “the risk has changed”, urging states to accept a new “risk framework” that prioritised the economy. “It’s not just about health because the health risk is diminished,” he told an AFR business summit.
Morrison wanted Australians to learn to “live with the virus” at a time when doing so definitely would have meant some loss of life, when public health experts said it was too early, or akin to “giving up”. But now that experts (and extremely blunt airline CEOs) are saying it’s time to start thinking about living alongside it, once we’re all vaccinated, Morrison wants to keep Australians afraid, talking about the threat of the pandemic “raging” and “morphing” around the world. So what’s changed? There’s no doubt it has something to do with the upcoming federal election, with recent state elections all having rewarded governments that took hardline stances on keeping the virus out of their communities. It’s clear that Australians are very nervous about reopening, with yet another poll today backing a cautious approach to the closed international border.
Scott Morrison can read the public mood, and is more than willing to lean into it – even if it means leaving Australians afraid of reopening for years to come.
“Most Anti-Vaccine Conspiracies Online Come From The Same 12 People, Study Shows.
Per the research, the ‘disinformation dozen’ behind almost two-thirds of anti-vaccine content shared in the study window includes Joseph Mercola, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Ty and Charlene Bollinger, Sherri Tenpenny, Rizza Islam, Rashid Buttar, Erin Elizabeth, Sayer Ji, Kelly Brogan, Christiane Northrup, Ben Tapper, and Kevin Jenkins.”
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I see R. Solz is not amongst them.
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https://www.sciencealert.com/most-anti-vaccine-conspiracies-online-come-from-the-same-12-people-study-shows
https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/
Little article about the airborne virus kerfuffle
dv said:
None of us is safe until all of us are safe. Some would say he’s making a virtue of necessity.
SCIENCE said:
btm said:Divine Angel said:monkey skipper said:dv said:https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/Little article about the airborne virus kerfuffle
why.. i would think it a simple concept … not simple for the person going through the experience but simple to explain.
“You were born with a vagina, so we think you’re a girl. But what if you felt like you were a boy?”
“But I’m a girl.”
“Yes, but some people who were born with vaginas feel like they’re boys.”
“Boys can wear skirts if they want to.”
I don’t know whether it’ll help, DA, but the life story of David Reimer my be of use. He was one of a pair of identical twins born in Canada in 1965; at 6 months old he and his brother developed phimosis (basically a tight foreskin). The parents were advised to have them circumcised, but the surgeon — who was trying a new technique — botched the operation and burned David’s penis off. The parents were then advised to raise him as a girl, after a full sex change. At 15 he said he’d always felt like a boy in the wrong body; when he was able he underwent more gender reassignment surgery and became a man, but that didn’t go well either, and he died by his own hand in 2002.
see this whole identity thing, like identity politics, is overrated anyway
you have what you have, and if you want to change it, you justify it
saying “I’m actually a boy/girl” implies there’s a specific property of being that label, plays stereotype, and achieves what
videre licet
dv said:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/Little article about the airborne virus kerfuffle
Thanks for the link to that one, deevs. Very interesting read and certainly clears up a few things for me.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/Little article about the airborne virus kerfuffle
Thanks for the link to that one, deevs. Very interesting read and certainly clears up a few things for me.
Well you’re quite welcome
According to international medical charity Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF), Israeli shelling damaged one of its clinics, which had been providing treatment for trauma and burns.
It has left the sterilisation room “unusable”, and means MSF’s staff, who are staying nearby, cannot safely access the clinics where they work, a MSF staffer added.
Meanwhile Gaza’s health ministry said that two senior medics had been killed overnight.
It said airstrikes on Gaza City killed Dr Ayman Abu al-Ouf, head of the internal medicine department and coronavirus response at Gaza’s largest hospital al-Shifa, as well as Dr Moein Ahmad al-Aloul, one of Gaza’s few neurologists, who died along with his 5 children.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-airstrikes-hospitals-medics-b1848377.html
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/Little article about the airborne virus kerfuffle
Thanks for the link to that one, deevs. Very interesting read and certainly clears up a few things for me.
Well you’re quite welcome
and from myself.
dv said:
According to international medical charity Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF), Israeli shelling damaged one of its clinics, which had been providing treatment for trauma and burns.
It has left the sterilisation room “unusable”, and means MSF’s staff, who are staying nearby, cannot safely access the clinics where they work, a MSF staffer added.
Meanwhile Gaza’s health ministry said that two senior medics had been killed overnight.
It said airstrikes on Gaza City killed Dr Ayman Abu al-Ouf, head of the internal medicine department and coronavirus response at Gaza’s largest hospital al-Shifa, as well as Dr Moein Ahmad al-Aloul, one of Gaza’s few neurologists, who died along with his 5 children.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-airstrikes-hospitals-medics-b1848377.html
I really do dispair. The occupiers simply cannot claim not to know where the MSF are working, nor where the largest hospital is located.
buffy said:
dv said:According to international medical charity Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF), Israeli shelling damaged one of its clinics, which had been providing treatment for trauma and burns.
It has left the sterilisation room “unusable”, and means MSF’s staff, who are staying nearby, cannot safely access the clinics where they work, a MSF staffer added.
Meanwhile Gaza’s health ministry said that two senior medics had been killed overnight.
It said airstrikes on Gaza City killed Dr Ayman Abu al-Ouf, head of the internal medicine department and coronavirus response at Gaza’s largest hospital al-Shifa, as well as Dr Moein Ahmad al-Aloul, one of Gaza’s few neurologists, who died along with his 5 children.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-airstrikes-hospitals-medics-b1848377.html
I really do dispair. The occupiers simply cannot claim not to know where the MSF are working, nor where the largest hospital is located.
They know where everything else is. Their press releases indicate specific targeting.
Police and prosecutors decide not to file criminal charges against Bishop of Broome Christopher Saunders, just days before the deadline for the Catholic Church to decide his future.
Viral shedding refers to the expulsion and release of virus progeny following successful reproduction during a host-cell infection. Once replication has been completed and the host cell is exhausted of all resources in making viral progeny, the viruses may begin to leave the cell by several methods.
The term is used to refer to shedding from a single cell, shedding from one part of the body into another part of the body, and shedding from bodies into the environment where the viruses may infect other bodies.
Vaccine shedding refers to rare instances where potentially infective virions have been shed post vaccination.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Wikipedia – Viral sheddingViral shedding refers to the expulsion and release of virus progeny following successful reproduction during a host-cell infection. Once replication has been completed and the host cell is exhausted of all resources in making viral progeny, the viruses may begin to leave the cell by several methods.
The term is used to refer to shedding from a single cell, shedding from one part of the body into another part of the body, and shedding from bodies into the environment where the viruses may infect other bodies.
Vaccine shedding refers to rare instances where potentially infective virions have been shed post vaccination.
Vaccine-shedding is completely irrelevant to any COVID-19 vaccine, because none use live attenuated virus.
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Wikipedia – Viral sheddingViral shedding refers to the expulsion and release of virus progeny following successful reproduction during a host-cell infection. Once replication has been completed and the host cell is exhausted of all resources in making viral progeny, the viruses may begin to leave the cell by several methods.
The term is used to refer to shedding from a single cell, shedding from one part of the body into another part of the body, and shedding from bodies into the environment where the viruses may infect other bodies.
Vaccine shedding refers to rare instances where potentially infective virions have been shed post vaccination.
Vaccine-shedding is completely irrelevant to any COVID-19 vaccine, because none use live attenuated virus.
Ok, vaccines are different.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Fact Check-COVID vaccines do not ‘shed’ from one person to another and then cause reproductive problems
Silly conspiracy theories.
Sorry to confuse the issue.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Sorry to confuse the issue.
Which issue was that?
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Sorry to confuse the issue.Which issue was that?
MV responded to my post about virus shedding.
MV >> Vaccine-shedding is completely irrelevant to any COVID-19 vaccine, because none use live attenuated virus.
Which is correct as the vaccine used other methods to deal with the virus.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Sorry to confuse the issue.Which issue was that?
MV responded to my post about virus shedding.
MV >> Vaccine-shedding is completely irrelevant to any COVID-19 vaccine, because none use live attenuated virus.
Which is correct as the vaccine used other methods to deal with the virus.
Apologies again.
Vaccines (plural)
uses = used
I must need more vaccine.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Sorry to confuse the issue.Which issue was that?
MV responded to my post about virus shedding.
MV >> Vaccine-shedding is completely irrelevant to any COVID-19 vaccine, because none use live attenuated virus.
Which is correct as the vaccine used other methods to deal with the virus.
Yeah well. The rest of us were waiting for you to catch up.
roughbarked said:
nice,
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Which issue was that?
MV responded to my post about virus shedding.
MV >> Vaccine-shedding is completely irrelevant to any COVID-19 vaccine, because none use live attenuated virus.
Which is correct as the vaccine used other methods to deal with the virus.
Apologies again.
Vaccines (plural)
uses = used
I must need more vaccine.
Fill that pipe again.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
nice,
Sorry wrong thread. This happens in my backyard every day though I don’t always take a camera out.
I’m so lucky in a way to live where these birds live, though I don’t see them visiting many backyards other than mine.
They are by far the most beautiful of the cockatoos. Also the quietest and most melodious. Welcome in my yard.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:MV responded to my post about virus shedding.
MV >> Vaccine-shedding is completely irrelevant to any COVID-19 vaccine, because none use live attenuated virus.
Which is correct as the vaccine used other methods to deal with the virus.
Apologies again.
Vaccines (plural)
uses = used
I must need more vaccine.
Fill that pipe again.
I should also point out that I’m not an immunologist.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Apologies again.
Vaccines (plural)
uses = used
I must need more vaccine.
Fill that pipe again.
I should also point out that I’m not an immunologist.
Don’t believe any of us on the forum are.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Fill that pipe again.
I should also point out that I’m not an immunologist.
Don’t believe any of us on the forum are.
Moll moonlights as one.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I should also point out that I’m not an immunologist.
Don’t believe any of us on the forum are.
Moll moonlights as one.
You need to have doctor qualifications
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Don’t believe any of us on the forum are.
Moll moonlights as one.
You need to have doctor qualifications
There’s a little more to it than that.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Moll moonlights as one.
You need to have doctor qualifications
There’s a little more to it than that.
Yes, electron microscopes and specialised medical equipment, the training that goes with it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:You need to have doctor qualifications
There’s a little more to it than that.
Yes, electron microscopes and specialised medical equipment, the training that goes with it.
Thousands of research universities and private companies around the world are involved, in understanding transmission, chemistry, biology, vaccines and prevention, statistics and data analysis are also involved on many levels. Protective clothing, good building design codes. Its an industry in itself.
There haven’t been any new COVID19 reviews on Cochrane for a couple of months, but here is one that came out in March:
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD013717.pub2/full
“International travel‐related control measures to contain the COVID‐19 pandemic: a rapid review “
Lots and lots of reading there. The plain language summary is:
“Overall, international travel‐related control measures may help to limit the spread of COVID‐19 across national borders. Restricting cross‐border travel can be a helpful measure. Screening travellers only for symptoms at borders is likely to miss many cases; testing may be more effective but may also miss cases if only performed upon arrival. Quarantine that lasts at least 10 days can prevent travellers spreading COVID‐19 and may be more effective if combined with another measure such as testing, especially if people follow the rules.
Future research needs to be better reported. More studies should focus on real‐life evidence, and should assess potential benefits and risks of travel‐related control measures to individuals and society as a whole.”
ABC News:
‘I would use different words’: Virgin CEO clarifies comments that borders need to reopen even if it puts people at risk’
Translation: Jane attempts to extract her foot from her mouth.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘I would use different words’: Virgin CEO clarifies comments that borders need to reopen even if it puts people at risk’
Translation: Jane attempts to extract her foot from her mouth.
Too late for that. It’s well and truly stuck…
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘I would use different words’: Virgin CEO clarifies comments that borders need to reopen even if it puts people at risk’
Translation: Jane attempts to extract her foot from her mouth.
Too late for that. It’s well and truly stuck…
I wonder if she has any opinions on safety and maintenance issues.
Having a record of zero crashes to maintain must be quite an albatross around Virgin Australia’s neck.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘I would use different words’: Virgin CEO clarifies comments that borders need to reopen even if it puts people at risk’
Translation: Jane attempts to extract her foot from her mouth.
Too late for that. It’s well and truly stuck…
I wonder if she has any opinions on safety and maintenance issues.
Having a record of zero crashes to maintain must be quite an albatross around Virgin Australia’s neck.
Ha!
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘I would use different words’: Virgin CEO clarifies comments that borders need to reopen even if it puts people at risk’
Translation: Jane attempts to extract her foot from her mouth.
I see that the board have finally released her after a few days screaming at her.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/covid-surging-in-seychelles-worlds-most-vaccinated-country-why/100151306
Virgin Australia issued a statement on Monday responding to Ms Hrdlicka’s comments, saying that eradication of COVID-19 cannot be Australia’s long-term goal.
“The question is not if, but when we will be sufficiently vaccinated to protect our people and our hospital system to open our international borders,” a Virgin spokesman said.
“We must learn to live with COVID-19 in the community in a way that protects the health and safety of our people but also opens Australia up to the rest of the world.”
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what we’re sayin’ is, the cost of eradicating smallpox was not worth the benefits, and we should be living with smallpox
in breaking news tomorrow, business advocates sign resolution to disseminate filovirus infectious disease in the interests of flock immunity
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
party_pants said:
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
Who?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
Who?
Britt Ekland?
party_pants said:
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
They f***ed it up.
Backed the wrong horse.
Swedish smugness did not carry the day for once.
The end.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
They f***ed it up.
Backed the wrong horse.
Swedish smugness did not carry the day for once.
The end.
Was their health guru fired in the end?
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
Who?
Britt Ekland?
Elin Nordegren
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
They f***ed it up.
Backed the wrong horse.
Swedish smugness did not carry the day for once.
The end.
Was their health guru fired in the end?
Health gurus are not fired anywhere, any time.
They just quietly submerge, and surface again in an equally- or better-paid position in someone else’s health service.
party_pants said:
At least nobody is talking about the Swedish model any more.
Anita Ekberg?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
They seem to have only had two death waves. Isn’t there a lot of talk about third waves in Europe? And on deaths per million they are sliding down the league board. Now down at 33. I think the highest I saw them at was about 16-17, which is where UK and USA are at the moment. (Australia is at 155 place at present)
buffy said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/They seem to have only had two death waves. Isn’t there a lot of talk about third waves in Europe? And on deaths per million they are sliding down the league board. Now down at 33. I think the highest I saw them at was about 16-17, which is where UK and USA are at the moment. (Australia is at 155 place at present)
shrug if you’re not the worst why bother trying to do better shrug
ABC News:
‘Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce calls on the federal government to speed up its vaccination program, warning the nation risks being “left behind” and will not be able to reopen its borders by the end of the year if the slow rollout continues.’
By the end of the year.
You know – executive bonus time.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/They seem to have only had two death waves. Isn’t there a lot of talk about third waves in Europe? And on deaths per million they are sliding down the league board. Now down at 33. I think the highest I saw them at was about 16-17, which is where UK and USA are at the moment. (Australia is at 155 place at present)
shrug if you’re not the worst why bother trying to do better shrug
They seem to be in a similar place to Luxembourg and Switzerland. It looks like Switzerland initially didn’t close up as much as we did either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Switzerland
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce calls on the federal government to speed up its vaccination program, warning the nation risks being “left behind” and will not be able to reopen its borders by the end of the year if the slow rollout continues.’
By the end of the year.
You know – executive bonus time.
OTOH, Australia could keep its borders closed for several years, building up a sense of exclusiveness and exotic allure, resulting in a deluge of tourists when we finally open.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/They seem to have only had two death waves. Isn’t there a lot of talk about third waves in Europe? And on deaths per million they are sliding down the league board. Now down at 33. I think the highest I saw them at was about 16-17, which is where UK and USA are at the moment. (Australia is at 155 place at present)
shrug if you’re not the worst why bother trying to do better shrug
They seem to be in a similar place to Luxembourg and Switzerland. It looks like Switzerland initially didn’t close up as much as we did either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Switzerland
The difference is that the “Swedish model” was for a time trumpeted by some as “best practice”, quite laughably as it turned out.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce calls on the federal government to speed up its vaccination program, warning the nation risks being “left behind” and will not be able to reopen its borders by the end of the year if the slow rollout continues.’
By the end of the year.
You know – executive bonus time.
OTOH, Australia could keep its borders closed for several years, building up a sense of exclusiveness and exotic allure, resulting in a deluge of tourists when we finally open.
Like opening a restaurant.
You tell all enquirers that you’re fully booked for two weeks.
By the time you open (two weeks later), you’ve got a reputation as the ‘hot’ place to go.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce calls on the federal government to speed up its vaccination program, warning the nation risks being “left behind” and will not be able to reopen its borders by the end of the year if the slow rollout continues.’
By the end of the year.
You know – executive bonus time.
In all fairness they need to plan quite far ahead to start reopening normal airline routes. Not something they can do overnight. I think the end of year was the rollout promised by the government. At this stage it looks like we might miss that deadline.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce calls on the federal government to speed up its vaccination program, warning the nation risks being “left behind” and will not be able to reopen its borders by the end of the year if the slow rollout continues.’
By the end of the year.
You know – executive bonus time.
In all fairness they need to plan quite far ahead to start reopening normal airline routes. Not something they can do overnight. I think the end of year was the rollout promised by the government. At this stage it looks like we might miss that deadline.
Might?
Ha!
Definitely WILL.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:shrug if you’re not the worst why bother trying to do better shrug
They seem to be in a similar place to Luxembourg and Switzerland. It looks like Switzerland initially didn’t close up as much as we did either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Switzerland
The difference is that the “Swedish model” was for a time trumpeted by some as “best practice”, quite laughably as it turned out.
That’s not how I remember it. While the Swedish government felt is was the best model for them, my recollection is that many other countries roundly condemned it. But of course, back at Feb/March last year, knowledge of this particular coronavirus was rather light on.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:They seem to be in a similar place to Luxembourg and Switzerland. It looks like Switzerland initially didn’t close up as much as we did either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Switzerland
The difference is that the “Swedish model” was for a time trumpeted by some as “best practice”, quite laughably as it turned out.
That’s not how I remember it. While the Swedish government felt is was the best model for them, my recollection is that many other countries roundly condemned it. But of course, back at Feb/March last year, knowledge of this particular coronavirus was rather light on.
And anyway, in the washup, it’s going to be Quite Interesting to see how it all pans out. I suspect we need another year, at least, of information yet. Perhaps we should thank the Swedes (for one end of the spectrum of responses) and the NZers (for the other end). Although it is not correct to say Sweden did not do anything. They had restricted abilities in terms of lockdown and quarantine imposed by their constitution.
>>While many countries imposed nationwide lockdowns and curfews, such measures were prohibited by the Swedish constitution as it is considered to be a violation of people’s freedom of movement, and Swedish laws on communicable diseases (Smittskyddslagen) only allow for quarantining individuals and small areas such as buildings, not for entire geographical areas. Instead, it is based mostly around individual responsibility.<<
REF: Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden
So it’s not as simple as just saying “Let’s just let things go wild”. They didn’t do that. They worked within their constitution.
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/sa-man-in-very-serious-condition-with-vaccine-blood-clot/100153266
Y’know, blood clots happen all the time.
They were a thing long before coronavirus was the problem it is. Lots of people have been treated with anticoagulants like Heperin for various reasons for a very long time.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/sa-man-in-very-serious-condition-with-vaccine-blood-clot/100153266
Y’know, blood clots happen all the time.
They were a thing long before coronavirus was the problem it is. Lots of people have been treated with anticoagulants like Heperin for various reasons for a very long time.
Yep
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/sa-man-in-very-serious-condition-with-vaccine-blood-clot/100153266
Y’know, blood clots happen all the time.
They were a thing long before coronavirus was the problem it is. Lots of people have been treated with anticoagulants like Heperin for various reasons for a very long time.
Yep
I know that the vaccine may cause clots.
I also know that people developed clots before the vaccine came along. They just never made the news.
As more and more people get the vaccine, the number of clot-patients who’ve had the vaccine will increase.
Correlation is, however, not necessarily causation.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:captain_spalding said:Y’know, blood clots happen all the time.They were a thing long before coronavirus was the problem it is. Lots of people have been treated with anticoagulants like Heperin for various reasons for a very long time.
Yep
I know that the vaccine may cause clots.
I also know that people developed clots before the vaccine came along. They just never made the news.
As more and more people get the vaccine, the number of clot-patients who’ve had the vaccine will increase.
Correlation is, however, not necessarily causation.
they do say that it’s unusual clots, so there does seem to be an outstanding pattern, but we’ll be honest we’ve not had one so don’t count on our reporting of it
Michael V said:
party_pants said:captain_spalding said:ABC News:‘Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce calls on the federal government to speed up its vaccination program, warning the nation risks being “left behind” and will not be able to reopen its borders by the end of the year if the slow rollout continues.’
By the end of the year.
You know – executive bonus time.
In all fairness they need to plan quite far ahead to start reopening normal airline routes. Not something they can do overnight. I think the end of year was the rollout promised by the government. At this stage it looks like we might miss that deadline.
Might?
Ha!
Definitely WILL.
We’ve mentioned it before but we could try to get our message across more of course.
Vaccinating people at home and building infrastructure (yeah right) and all those things you can do to protect yourselves, does not mean it’s suddenly open season.
We have good biosecurity measures for other pests and diseases but we still inspect cargo, we still quarantine other intakes, we still prohibit various items.
Oh wait, there’s even interstate borders as well¡ https://www.interstatequarantine.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Australian-Interstate-Quarantine-Travellers-Guide-12.01.21.pdf
We put it to you that regardless of how immunised we are, how good our test trace isolate systems are, how willing to die for the cause some of us are … the decision to be “open” should be far more dependent on what is happening outside the borders, than what is happening inside. Yes, we can’t control what happens overseas.* Doesn’t mean we can’t send a signal that we’re serious about protecting health and therefore Economy Must Grow. We can control how we respond. Open to countries without local transmission, stay shut to others who refuse to get things under control. Don’t invite trouble just because you think you’re protected.**
Some might argue that these business interests aren’t screaming for “throw it all open” and there’s nuance to it but we’d suggest the onus is on those interests to make that nuance visible. If they have to eat their words and clarify then maybe they should stop and consider what they’re saying before saying it.
*: example, Malaysia not being at war. Does that mean they should send flights over regions where there is war, like Crimea where the Russians are STAMping their mark everywhere¿ Oh, wait
**: this isn’t as simple a point as we(1,1,1) think. There were endless fkwts telling us how masks were dangerous because they’d make people take more infection risks, and then they became fkwts telling us how rolling out vaccines would make the pandemic worse because individuals would go out more and somehow end up with a higher chance of getting infected. Ironically if this fiasco above comes to pass, then on an aggregate business interests scale, that might actually turn out to be true
According to a Reuters report from January, insurers are facing a $2-3 billion loss if the Olympics are canceled, amounting to the largest ever claim in the global event cancellation market.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/news/tokyo-olympics-cancellation-looms/e44b2e49-3b36-4495-9066-9201921c3c02
Last week, the Tokyo Medical Practitioners Association, an organisation of about 6,000 doctors in Tokyo, penned a letter calling for a cancellation, while a petition which garnered 350,000 signatures in nine days in support of a cancellation has been submitted to organisers.
With public pressure to cancel the Games mounting, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said last week that he has “never put (the) Olympics” as a priority.
SCIENCE said:
According to a Reuters report from January, insurers are facing a $2-3 billion loss if the Olympics are canceled, amounting to the largest ever claim in the global event cancellation market.https://wwos.nine.com.au/news/tokyo-olympics-cancellation-looms/e44b2e49-3b36-4495-9066-9201921c3c02
Last week, the Tokyo Medical Practitioners Association, an organisation of about 6,000 doctors in Tokyo, penned a letter calling for a cancellation, while a petition which garnered 350,000 signatures in nine days in support of a cancellation has been submitted to organisers.
With public pressure to cancel the Games mounting, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said last week that he has “never put (the) Olympics” as a priority.
With so much riding on this it is frankly baffling how they have fucked up vaccination so badly.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-20/covid-19-which-countries-will-be-next-for-big-spike-cases/100151400
The Premier said after the state announced people aged 40 to 49 would be eligible for the Pfizer vaccine, more than 120,000 people had registered their expression of interest.
Indian importers have reported big increases in the cost of oxygen devices from China
Amid a shortage of components, manufacturers have been accused of substituting poor quality parts
Chinese firms have reportedly started charging sometimes more than double the usual rate for oxygen tanks and concentrators, while cargo flights between the two countries have yet to return to normal after being suspended due to the outbreak.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told a press conference the price of oxygen concentrators was determined by supply and demand. Ms Hua said the global demand for oxygen concentrators was high while production capacity was being affected by a shortage of raw materials imported from Europe.
Mr Sharma told the ABC they had received quotes of around $2,000 per oxygen concentrator unit, not including transport. “It is too expansive for many ordinary Indians,” he said. They were almost as expensive as oxygen concentrators from the US, Ms Xu said.
SCIENCE said:
In Communist CHINA, Fuck Capitalism, Oh Wait
Indian importers have reported big increases in the cost of oxygen devices from China
Amid a shortage of components, manufacturers have been accused of substituting poor quality parts
Chinese firms have reportedly started charging sometimes more than double the usual rate for oxygen tanks and concentrators, while cargo flights between the two countries have yet to return to normal after being suspended due to the outbreak.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told a press conference the price of oxygen concentrators was determined by supply and demand. Ms Hua said the global demand for oxygen concentrators was high while production capacity was being affected by a shortage of raw materials imported from Europe.
Mr Sharma told the ABC they had received quotes of around $2,000 per oxygen concentrator unit, not including transport. “It is too expansive for many ordinary Indians,” he said. They were almost as expensive as oxygen concentrators from the US, Ms Xu said.
In corrupt modern western countries this sort of dodgy equipment would end up being supplied to the public health system under privatised contractors.
so how do you folk think that Canada is going? one of my friends went off on Facebook today about being in lockdown forever and her inability to shop properly.
sarahs mum said:
so how do you folk think that Canada is going? one of my friends went off on Facebook today about being in lockdown forever and her inability to shop properly.
You should tell your friend to go shopping. Sans mask of course. I mean they ‘only’ had over 4k new cases yesterday, Oh, and the day before that, and perhaps embarrassingly the day before that; but it is not really an issue, not at all. All good.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
so how do you folk think that Canada is going? one of my friends went off on Facebook today about being in lockdown forever and her inability to shop properly.You should tell your friend to go shopping. Sans mask of course. I mean they ‘only’ had over 4k new cases yesterday, Oh, and the day before that, and perhaps embarrassingly the day before that; but it is not really an issue, not at all. All good.
yeah.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
so how do you folk think that Canada is going? one of my friends went off on Facebook today about being in lockdown forever and her inability to shop properly.You should tell your friend to go shopping. Sans mask of course. I mean they ‘only’ had over 4k new cases yesterday, Oh, and the day before that, and perhaps embarrassingly the day before that; but it is not really an issue, not at all. All good.
yeah.
Look at the deaths per day graph. They seem to be off the second peak and bumping along towards low levels again.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/
I’m glad I don’t live in the UK. Looks like The Indian Variant is taking hold and BJ is not steering the country through that difficulty (not that he has before).
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/17/covid-19-what-should-we-do-about-b-1-617-2-a-classic-case-of-decision-making-under-uncertainty/
Epidemiologists are urging Australians over the age of 50 not to wait for alternatives to the AstraZeneca vaccine, warning of a “false sense of security” about the risks still posed by COVID-19.
Professor Catherine Bennett from Deakin University said she was concerned by case numbers in countries like Thailand and Singapore, which had earlier successes in limiting the spread of the virus. “People need to see these other countries as a warning that this could happen in Australia, we know how to contain the virus but at the same time we can’t guarantee that we won’t have an episode where it does start to take off in the community,” she said. “And the best thing we can all do to prevent against that or prevent that from becoming a wave in Australia is to get vaccinated.”
“It’s important that people understand that it’s kind of a false sense of security that we can keep the virus out indefinitely and that we have this luxury of time,” she said. “The most important thing we can do is get as many people vaccinated as we can so that should the virus get into the community we are still able to contain it.”
We disagree with the premise and suggest that in a choice between
then aside from the selfish considerations making the first option better, the less selfish option remains the first anyway.
It’s important that people understand that it’s a true sense of security that we can keep the virus out if we manage quarantine well (remember other pest introductions or lack thereof) and therefore we have this luxury of time. The most important thing we can do is get as many people vaccinated with effective and safe vaccines as we can. Should the virus get into the community we are already able to contain it, and vaccines will help, but old fashioned test trace isolate still works fine, and will be able to prevent lockdown if done well.
Here’s Singapore https://covidsitrep.moh.gov.sg/.
Thailand not so good but kind of expected, and apparently it’s a similar situation to the Singapore issue previously (mass accommodation).
We don’t think the explaining difference there is vaccination, just saying.
Remember: in Australian states, at the Singapore level of shit, a week of holiday followed by effective testing tracing isolating has by now demonstrated success. At the Thailand level of shit, then no, you want to jump on things before it gets that way. Indeed, we’ve done so well that
the Corruption Coal Crowd have waved their hands and pretended they were there all along, and now your ABCrazyCommunistCorporation are squealing for rush rush vaccine rush rush open just to be against them. (Genius reverse psychology trick there by Team Marketing, funny they didn’t think of it before.) Fuck it. Stick to the SCIENCE, not the partisan ideology.
In case anyone missed it, we repeat: throwing everything open, ultimately, should be based very little on what we have done here, and far more on what is happening elsewhere.
Michael V said:
I’m glad I don’t live in the UK. Looks like The Indian Variant is taking hold and BJ is not steering the country through that difficulty (not that he has before).https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/05/17/covid-19-what-should-we-do-about-b-1-617-2-a-classic-case-of-decision-making-under-uncertainty/
Their numbers aren’t greatly changed yet
and there’s no impression that they’re going to hold back so we suppose we’ll just have to see what the next month will bring.
Even odds that selection pressures and the known occasional vaccine breakthrough will lead to a runaway.
SCIENCE said:
in a choice between
- waiting 6 months for a safer vaccine, being prepared to take more restrictive measures for local reelimination as required until then, and
- rushing full steam ahead for what the evidence indicates is a less effective, less safe vaccine so that in that 6 months we can still spread disease to under-16s and not kill them but expose them to high risks of chronic disease
then aside from the selfish considerations making the first option better, the less selfish option remains the first
Just to be clearer, we are happy with (1.), and less happy with (2.), but of course on top of (1.) people are free to choose the currently available vaccine and still be prepared to take more restrictive measures for local reelimination as required until the safer vaccine is available, and then take that too.
a mix of wtf and WTF there
The ABC has received allegations Dr Stephens compromised infection control at the centre, herself, on Saturday by not staying 1.5 metres away from passengers who had arrived from India. Sources have alleged she brought potentially positive passengers by golf buggy to their rooms. They also alleged she threw a disposable coffee cup from the buggy at a group of Defence Force members, while asking them to get out of the way of where she needed to drive. Later on Saturday, she went to work as part of the medical team that provided support to Darwin’s Base In The Grass music festival, which attracted a crowd of 14,000, including many people from interstate.
She said nurses have been told they would no longer tape their PPE gowns together, which risks the virus spreading when gowns flap in the wind while going between the centre’s outdoor units. Staff who normally live onsite during the working week have also been told they would start going home to their families each night once Howard Springs began receiving up to 1000 international arrivals per week.
probably in the air already so flapping mightn’t matter too much
but if staff want to isolate due to infection risks … why encourage them to expose their families
doesn’t make sense to us but perhaps someone more intelligent can explain
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:You should tell your friend to go shopping. Sans mask of course. I mean they ‘only’ had over 4k new cases yesterday, Oh, and the day before that, and perhaps embarrassingly the day before that; but it is not really an issue, not at all. All good.
yeah.
Look at the deaths per day graph. They seem to be off the second peak and bumping along towards low levels again.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/
It might be just a tad early.
surely it’s unwarranted discrimination https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-21/anti-vax-hairdresser-bans-covid-jab-customers/100154936
SCIENCE said:
surely it’s unwarranted discrimination https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-21/anti-vax-hairdresser-bans-covid-jab-customers/100154936
Yes.
Whoops. Big whoopsie. 13 days ago. Wrong Woolworths recorded for a positive-testing person.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-21/covid-exposure-site-amended-wastewater-concerns-epping-wollert/100157386
Michael V said:
Whoops. Big whoopsie. 13 days ago. Wrong Woolworths recorded for a positive-testing person.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-21/covid-exposure-site-amended-wastewater-concerns-epping-wollert/100157386
It’s interesting that the Perth one, the one above, and the barbecues person all were out and about and yet the only passing on was to a wife of one of them (I think).
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Whoops. Big whoopsie. 13 days ago. Wrong Woolworths recorded for a positive-testing person.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-21/covid-exposure-site-amended-wastewater-concerns-epping-wollert/100157386
It’s interesting that the Perth one, the one above, and the barbecues person all were out and about and yet the only passing on was to a wife of one of them (I think).
I guess there are many variables.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Whoops. Big whoopsie. 13 days ago. Wrong Woolworths recorded for a positive-testing person.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-21/covid-exposure-site-amended-wastewater-concerns-epping-wollert/100157386
It’s interesting that the Perth one, the one above, and the barbecues person all were out and about and yet the only passing on was to a wife of one of them (I think).
I guess there are many variables.
That;s why we have the word.
?
I reckon that if a hairdresser was to implement a ban on customers who have NOT been vaccinated, there’d be a crowd of ratbags outside the door ranting about ‘my body, my choice’ and shouting ‘discrimination’ and weaving placards and frothing at the mouth and banging their heads on the pavement etc. etc. in under 30 minutes.
I wonder if Ms Thackeray has experienced any such demonstrations from the vaccinated?
Found a role model for our very own Jonathan Crane Nick Coatsworth.
In 2002, SARS-CoV jumped from civets into people. Ten years later, MERS emerged from camels. Then in 2019, SARS-CoV-2 began to spread around the world. For many scientists, this pattern points to a disturbing trend: Coronavirus outbreaks aren’t rare events and will likely occur every decade or so. Now, scientists are reporting that they have discovered what may be the latest coronavirus to jump from a surprising source: dogs.
Dr. Gregory Gray started to wonder whether there might be other coronaviruses out there already making people sick and threatening to trigger another outbreak. The problem was that he didn’t have a tool to look for them. The test tells whether one particular virus is present in a person’s respiratory tract, and nothing else. “Diagnostics are very specific. They generally focus on known viruses,” says Gray, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Duke University’s Global Health Institute. So he challenged a graduate student in his lab, Leshan Xiu, to make a more powerful test — one that would work like a COVID-19 test but could detect all coronaviruses, even the unknown ones. Xiu not only rose to the challenge, but the tool he created worked better than expected.
In the first batch of samples tested last year, Gray and Xiu found evidence of an entirely new coronavirus associated with pneumonia in hospitalized patients — mostly in kids. This virus may be the eighth coronavirus known to cause disease in people, the team “reports Thursday in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases“https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab456/6278597. The samples came from patients at a hospital in Sarawak, Malaysia, taken by a collaborator in 2017 and 2018. But in eight out of 301 samples tested, or 2.7%, Xiu and Gray found that the patients’ upper respiratory tracts were infected with a new canine coronavirus, i.e., a dog virus.
“That’s a pretty high prevalence of a virus,” Gray says. “That’s remarkable.” So remarkable, in fact, that Gray actually thought maybe he and Xiu had made a mistake. Perhaps Xiu’s test wasn’t working quite right. “You always wonder if there was a problem in the lab,” he says. To find out, he sent the patients’ samples over to a world expert on animal coronaviruses at Ohio State University. She was also dubious. “I thought, ‘There’s something wrong,’ “ says virologist Anastasia Vlasova. “Canine coronaviruses were not thought to be transmitted to people. It’s never been reported before.”
Zhang has studied coronaviruses for more than 30 years. He thinks it’s too early to call this new virus a human pathogen. “As the authors are careful to say in their paper, they have not proven what’s called Koch’s postulates,” he says. That is, Vlasova, Gray and colleagues haven’t shown that the new coronavirus causes pneumonia; so far, it has only been associated with the disease.
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Note of course that this “Koch’s postulates” shit really is shit. It was fine 50 years ago but even then… and nobody should be taking that part of it seriously these days. The rest, seems more legit’…
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
so how do you folk think that Canada is going? one of my friends went off on Facebook today about being in lockdown forever and her inability to shop properly.You should tell your friend to go shopping. Sans mask of course. I mean they ‘only’ had over 4k new cases yesterday, Oh, and the day before that, and perhaps embarrassingly the day before that; but it is not really an issue, not at all. All good.
yeah.
So I checked with the Canadian cousins. They are also jaded about rolling lockdowns. Christine would like to hear live music again. Te family would like to go up to the cabin. But they have done a lot of renovation so they have been busy and they have had no real problems shopping.
After spike in Covid-related black fungus in India, now ‘white fungus’ causes alarm
After a spike in cases of deadly black fungus among Covid-19 patients in India, concerns are now growing for the potentially more lethal white fungus infection.
Four cases of “white fungus”, also called “candidiasis”, were detected on Wednesday at a government-run medical college in Patna, the capital city of the eastern state of Bihar, which is seeing a particular spike in Covid cases.
The Covid-triggered black fungus has already claimed over 200 lives and infected at least 7,000 people across India, leading the country’s health ministry to ask states to declare it an epidemic.
The chief of microbiology at Patna Medical College and Hospital (PMCH), Dr S N Singh, told Indian media outlets that all four people infected with white fungus showed coronavirus-like symptoms but had not been found to be positive for Covid-19 when tested.
Mr Singh said the white fungus patients had suffered damage to their lungs similar to that caused typically by Covid infection.
“After the white fungus was detected, the patients were treated with antifungal medicines and have since shown improvement in their condition,” Mr Singh said.
The officials have also raised concerns that the fungal infection is spreading more easily than black fungus to other parts of the body, including the nails, skin, stomach, kidney, brain, private parts and mouth.
There have yet to be any other cases of white fungus reported across the country.
An official of the same medical college told reporters that the oxygen saturation level of one of the four patients detected with white fungus also dropped.
“That patient was a doctor himself, who was admitted to a private hospital after showing symptoms of Covid-19. He tested negative for Covid but his lung was infected. Hence, a close relative approached us and brought him here. We conducted some tests and detected white fungus,” the PMCH doctor said.
The fungus is believed to be more dangerous for those who have weakened immune systems, including diabetes patients and those who are taking steroids for a long period of time – one of the treatments for severe Covid cases – the officials warned.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/after-spike-in-covid-related-black-fungus-in-india-now-white-fungus-causes-alarm/ar-AAKeZ9v?ocid=msedgntp
This is a sobering graph, but beautifully done.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/nhnw0a/oc_the_covid19_death_toll/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Divine Angel said:
This is a sobering graph, but beautifully done.https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/nhnw0a/oc_the_covid19_death_toll/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Nicely done. Where are those damn Swedes? They’ve got 14,366 as of today. China is on there with 4,000…I thought the Swedes were the ones to damn?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
And there is one a bit further down that page of vaccinations/100
These sniffer dogs are learning to smell the coronavirus.
An earlier study showed that the virus has an odor that trained dogs can identify in urine and saliva. Now researchers—with the help of Tuuka, Griz, Toby, Rico, and Roxie—are examining whether canines can sniff out coronavirus’ scent in sweaty T-shirts.
PermeateFree said:
These sniffer dogs are learning to smell the coronavirus.
An earlier study showed that the virus has an odor that trained dogs can identify in urine and saliva. Now researchers—with the help of Tuuka, Griz, Toby, Rico, and Roxie—are examining whether canines can sniff out coronavirus’ scent in sweaty T-shirts.
That’s not really difficult to believe. I’ve got a reasonable sense of smell, and I can smell if someone has got a cold. Dogs should be a lot better than me.
PermeateFree said:
These sniffer dogs are learning to smell the coronavirus.
An earlier study showed that the virus has an odor that trained dogs can identify in urine and saliva. Now researchers—with the help of Tuuka, Griz, Toby, Rico, and Roxie—are examining whether canines can sniff out coronavirus’ scent in sweaty T-shirts.
Looks like she’s saying “Wait, detect what? Could you please spell that?”
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:
These sniffer dogs are learning to smell the coronavirus.
An earlier study showed that the virus has an odor that trained dogs can identify in urine and saliva. Now researchers—with the help of Tuuka, Griz, Toby, Rico, and Roxie—are examining whether canines can sniff out coronavirus’ scent in sweaty T-shirts.
That’s not really difficult to believe. I’ve got a reasonable sense of smell, and I can smell if someone has got a cold. Dogs should be a lot better than me.
As a springer spaniel owner it does not surprise me either.
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/total-death-toll-covid-19-could-be-least-6-8-million-who-2021-05-21/
Total death toll from COVID-19 could be at least 6-8 million: WHO
At least 6-8 million people may have died due to the COVID-19 pandemic so far versus the World Health Organization’s official toll of around 3.4 million, a WHO official said on Friday.
“…This number would truly be two to three times higher. So I think safely about 6 to 8 mill lion deaths could be an estimate on a cautionary note,” said Samira Asma, WHO’s Assistant Director-General in its data and analytics division at a virtual press briefing.
dv said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/total-death-toll-covid-19-could-be-least-6-8-million-who-2021-05-21/Total death toll from COVID-19 could be at least 6-8 million: WHO
At least 6-8 million people may have died due to the COVID-19 pandemic so far versus the World Health Organization’s official toll of around 3.4 million, a WHO official said on Friday.
“…This number would truly be two to three times higher. So I think safely about 6 to 8 mill lion deaths could be an estimate on a cautionary note,” said Samira Asma, WHO’s Assistant Director-General in its data and analytics division at a virtual press briefing.
there’s always an optimist
Australia and New Zealand cannot hide from covid-19 for ever
The countries need a plan for reopening to the world
Asia
May 22nd 2021 edition
SYDNEY
Last month Six60, a mystifyingly popular Kiwi band, played a gig for a real, flesh-and-blood audience of 50,000 people. “Next time they tell you it’s impossible,” the band wrote online, “Show them this.” Alongside was a photo of the sort of crowds unseen in most of the world since early 2020.
Kiwis and Australians can enjoy what used to be known as normal life because they have almost eliminated the novel coronavirus. Neither country has had many local transmissions this year. Restaurants and bars are busy. Provincial towns bustle with domestic tourists.
The secret to their success is simple: both countries, already hard to reach, simply cut themselves off from the rest of the world. They pulled up the drawbridge in March 2020, allowing only citizens and permanent residents to return. Neither plans to lower it again soon. Australia’s international borders will stay closed until at least mid-2022, its government announced on May 11th. “We have to be careful not to exchange way of life for what everyone else has,” the prime minister, Scott Morrison, told a local newspaper.
This goes down well with voters on both sides of the Tasman Sea, who have got used to living without risk. Yet covid-19 will circulate globally for years to come, even with vaccines. Antipodeans cannot keep it out forever, “unless they want to be isolated from the world until the end of time”, says Alexander Downer, a former Australian foreign minister.
Some have started asking what happens next. A group of business leaders in New Zealand has called for “a path towards sustainable virus management”. Australia cannot ride out the pandemic in an “eliminationist bunker”, Nick Coatsworth, Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer, told a room of doctors this month. “There will come a point where we have to change the way we measure our success against covid,” says Gladys Berejiklian, the Liberal (ie, conservative) premier of New South Wales—though not until locals are vaccinated.
Yet vaccine roll-outs in both countries are proceeding slowly. Only 7.5% of adults in New Zealand have received a first dose, fewer than in Zimbabwe or Palestine, according to The Economist’s tracker. Australia has jabbed 16% of adults once, but many Australians are hesitant about having a shot. The federal government hopes it can immunise all adults by the end of 2021, which would mean working twice as fast.
There are ways to loosen restrictions before that. One is to impose less onerous quarantines on vaccinated travellers, who must spend two weeks in isolation in a guarded hotel, just like unvaccinated ones. Australia’s government says it is thinking about allowing them to quarantine at home. That could help reunite separated families, of which there are many.
Another is to start travel corridors with countries with low rates of transmission. Australia is in talks with Singapore, but a fresh outbreak in the city-state has shown how hard these will be to launch. Nervy Kiwis balked even at a bubble with Australia, which started in April, notes Oliver Hartwich of the New Zealand Initiative, a think-tank. That, he says, is about as ambitious as Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, will get for now.
Neither she nor Mr Morrison has much reason to push hard. Their economies are faring well. And they can easily brush away criticism as callous disregard for life. When the boss of Virgin Australia, an airline, suggested recently that “covid will become part of the community” and “some people may die”, Mr Morrison berated her for being “insensitive”. An election is expected soon. He is well ahead in the polls.
About 35,000 Australians are still stuck overseas, unable to snag a spot in quarantine hotels or on unpredictable flights. When a new wave of covid-19 washed over India last month, Mr Morrison barred Australians in India from returning or risk fines and jail time. No other country has threatened its own people thus. He later reversed the policy, but three Australian citizens have since died in India. “Going down the hermit route,” says Tim Soutphommasane of the University of Sydney, is “a rejection of our modern transformation into a confident, multicultural country.”
https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/05/22/australia-and-new-zealand-cannot-hide-from-covid-19-for-ever?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australia and New Zealand cannot hide from covid-19 for ever
The countries need a plan for reopening to the worldAsia
May 22nd 2021 edition
SYDNEYLast month Six60, a mystifyingly popular Kiwi band, played a gig for a real, flesh-and-blood audience of 50,000 people. “Next time they tell you it’s impossible,” the band wrote online, “Show them this.” Alongside was a photo of the sort of crowds unseen in most of the world since early 2020.
Kiwis and Australians can enjoy what used to be known as normal life because they have almost eliminated the novel coronavirus. Neither country has had many local transmissions this year. Restaurants and bars are busy. Provincial towns bustle with domestic tourists.
The secret to their success is simple: both countries, already hard to reach, simply cut themselves off from the rest of the world. They pulled up the drawbridge in March 2020, allowing only citizens and permanent residents to return. Neither plans to lower it again soon. Australia’s international borders will stay closed until at least mid-2022, its government announced on May 11th. “We have to be careful not to exchange way of life for what everyone else has,” the prime minister, Scott Morrison, told a local newspaper.
This goes down well with voters on both sides of the Tasman Sea, who have got used to living without risk. Yet covid-19 will circulate globally for years to come, even with vaccines. Antipodeans cannot keep it out forever, “unless they want to be isolated from the world until the end of time”, says Alexander Downer, a former Australian foreign minister.
Some have started asking what happens next. A group of business leaders in New Zealand has called for “a path towards sustainable virus management”. Australia cannot ride out the pandemic in an “eliminationist bunker”, Nick Coatsworth, Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer, told a room of doctors this month. “There will come a point where we have to change the way we measure our success against covid,” says Gladys Berejiklian, the Liberal (ie, conservative) premier of New South Wales—though not until locals are vaccinated.
Yet vaccine roll-outs in both countries are proceeding slowly. Only 7.5% of adults in New Zealand have received a first dose, fewer than in Zimbabwe or Palestine, according to The Economist’s tracker. Australia has jabbed 16% of adults once, but many Australians are hesitant about having a shot. The federal government hopes it can immunise all adults by the end of 2021, which would mean working twice as fast.
There are ways to loosen restrictions before that. One is to impose less onerous quarantines on vaccinated travellers, who must spend two weeks in isolation in a guarded hotel, just like unvaccinated ones. Australia’s government says it is thinking about allowing them to quarantine at home. That could help reunite separated families, of which there are many.
Another is to start travel corridors with countries with low rates of transmission. Australia is in talks with Singapore, but a fresh outbreak in the city-state has shown how hard these will be to launch. Nervy Kiwis balked even at a bubble with Australia, which started in April, notes Oliver Hartwich of the New Zealand Initiative, a think-tank. That, he says, is about as ambitious as Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, will get for now.
Neither she nor Mr Morrison has much reason to push hard. Their economies are faring well. And they can easily brush away criticism as callous disregard for life. When the boss of Virgin Australia, an airline, suggested recently that “covid will become part of the community” and “some people may die”, Mr Morrison berated her for being “insensitive”. An election is expected soon. He is well ahead in the polls.
About 35,000 Australians are still stuck overseas, unable to snag a spot in quarantine hotels or on unpredictable flights. When a new wave of covid-19 washed over India last month, Mr Morrison barred Australians in India from returning or risk fines and jail time. No other country has threatened its own people thus. He later reversed the policy, but three Australian citizens have since died in India. “Going down the hermit route,” says Tim Soutphommasane of the University of Sydney, is “a rejection of our modern transformation into a confident, multicultural country.”
https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/05/22/australia-and-new-zealand-cannot-hide-from-covid-19-for-ever?
Hold on, that article went close to critisising both NZ and Saint Jacinda.
Is that allowed?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australia and New Zealand cannot hide from covid-19 for ever
The countries need a plan for reopening to the worldAsia
May 22nd 2021 edition
SYDNEYLast month Six60, a mystifyingly popular Kiwi band, played a gig for a real, flesh-and-blood audience of 50,000 people. “Next time they tell you it’s impossible,” the band wrote online, “Show them this.” Alongside was a photo of the sort of crowds unseen in most of the world since early 2020.
Kiwis and Australians can enjoy what used to be known as normal life because they have almost eliminated the novel coronavirus. Neither country has had many local transmissions this year. Restaurants and bars are busy. Provincial towns bustle with domestic tourists.
The secret to their success is simple: both countries, already hard to reach, simply cut themselves off from the rest of the world. They pulled up the drawbridge in March 2020, allowing only citizens and permanent residents to return. Neither plans to lower it again soon. Australia’s international borders will stay closed until at least mid-2022, its government announced on May 11th. “We have to be careful not to exchange way of life for what everyone else has,” the prime minister, Scott Morrison, told a local newspaper.
This goes down well with voters on both sides of the Tasman Sea, who have got used to living without risk. Yet covid-19 will circulate globally for years to come, even with vaccines. Antipodeans cannot keep it out forever, “unless they want to be isolated from the world until the end of time”, says Alexander Downer, a former Australian foreign minister.
Some have started asking what happens next. A group of business leaders in New Zealand has called for “a path towards sustainable virus management”. Australia cannot ride out the pandemic in an “eliminationist bunker”, Nick Coatsworth, Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer, told a room of doctors this month. “There will come a point where we have to change the way we measure our success against covid,” says Gladys Berejiklian, the Liberal (ie, conservative) premier of New South Wales—though not until locals are vaccinated.
Yet vaccine roll-outs in both countries are proceeding slowly. Only 7.5% of adults in New Zealand have received a first dose, fewer than in Zimbabwe or Palestine, according to The Economist’s tracker. Australia has jabbed 16% of adults once, but many Australians are hesitant about having a shot. The federal government hopes it can immunise all adults by the end of 2021, which would mean working twice as fast.
There are ways to loosen restrictions before that. One is to impose less onerous quarantines on vaccinated travellers, who must spend two weeks in isolation in a guarded hotel, just like unvaccinated ones. Australia’s government says it is thinking about allowing them to quarantine at home. That could help reunite separated families, of which there are many.
Another is to start travel corridors with countries with low rates of transmission. Australia is in talks with Singapore, but a fresh outbreak in the city-state has shown how hard these will be to launch. Nervy Kiwis balked even at a bubble with Australia, which started in April, notes Oliver Hartwich of the New Zealand Initiative, a think-tank. That, he says, is about as ambitious as Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, will get for now.
Neither she nor Mr Morrison has much reason to push hard. Their economies are faring well. And they can easily brush away criticism as callous disregard for life. When the boss of Virgin Australia, an airline, suggested recently that “covid will become part of the community” and “some people may die”, Mr Morrison berated her for being “insensitive”. An election is expected soon. He is well ahead in the polls.
About 35,000 Australians are still stuck overseas, unable to snag a spot in quarantine hotels or on unpredictable flights. When a new wave of covid-19 washed over India last month, Mr Morrison barred Australians in India from returning or risk fines and jail time. No other country has threatened its own people thus. He later reversed the policy, but three Australian citizens have since died in India. “Going down the hermit route,” says Tim Soutphommasane of the University of Sydney, is “a rejection of our modern transformation into a confident, multicultural country.”
https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/05/22/australia-and-new-zealand-cannot-hide-from-covid-19-for-ever?
Morrison berated her for being “insensitive”. An election is expected soon. He is well ahead in the polls.
If by being ahead they mean he’s a few points behind then their reporting is spot on.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australia and New Zealand cannot hide from covid-19 for ever
The countries need a plan for reopening to the worldAsia
May 22nd 2021 edition
SYDNEYLast month Six60, a mystifyingly popular Kiwi band, played a gig for a real, flesh-and-blood audience of 50,000 people. “Next time they tell you it’s impossible,” the band wrote online, “Show them this.” Alongside was a photo of the sort of crowds unseen in most of the world since early 2020.
Kiwis and Australians can enjoy what used to be known as normal life because they have almost eliminated the novel coronavirus. Neither country has had many local transmissions this year. Restaurants and bars are busy. Provincial towns bustle with domestic tourists.
The secret to their success is simple: both countries, already hard to reach, simply cut themselves off from the rest of the world. They pulled up the drawbridge in March 2020, allowing only citizens and permanent residents to return. Neither plans to lower it again soon. Australia’s international borders will stay closed until at least mid-2022, its government announced on May 11th. “We have to be careful not to exchange way of life for what everyone else has,” the prime minister, Scott Morrison, told a local newspaper.
This goes down well with voters on both sides of the Tasman Sea, who have got used to living without risk. Yet covid-19 will circulate globally for years to come, even with vaccines. Antipodeans cannot keep it out forever, “unless they want to be isolated from the world until the end of time”, says Alexander Downer, a former Australian foreign minister.
Some have started asking what happens next. A group of business leaders in New Zealand has called for “a path towards sustainable virus management”. Australia cannot ride out the pandemic in an “eliminationist bunker”, Nick Coatsworth, Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer, told a room of doctors this month. “There will come a point where we have to change the way we measure our success against covid,” says Gladys Berejiklian, the Liberal (ie, conservative) premier of New South Wales—though not until locals are vaccinated.
Yet vaccine roll-outs in both countries are proceeding slowly. Only 7.5% of adults in New Zealand have received a first dose, fewer than in Zimbabwe or Palestine, according to The Economist’s tracker. Australia has jabbed 16% of adults once, but many Australians are hesitant about having a shot. The federal government hopes it can immunise all adults by the end of 2021, which would mean working twice as fast.
There are ways to loosen restrictions before that. One is to impose less onerous quarantines on vaccinated travellers, who must spend two weeks in isolation in a guarded hotel, just like unvaccinated ones. Australia’s government says it is thinking about allowing them to quarantine at home. That could help reunite separated families, of which there are many.
Another is to start travel corridors with countries with low rates of transmission. Australia is in talks with Singapore, but a fresh outbreak in the city-state has shown how hard these will be to launch. Nervy Kiwis balked even at a bubble with Australia, which started in April, notes Oliver Hartwich of the New Zealand Initiative, a think-tank. That, he says, is about as ambitious as Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, will get for now.
Neither she nor Mr Morrison has much reason to push hard. Their economies are faring well. And they can easily brush away criticism as callous disregard for life. When the boss of Virgin Australia, an airline, suggested recently that “covid will become part of the community” and “some people may die”, Mr Morrison berated her for being “insensitive”. An election is expected soon. He is well ahead in the polls.
About 35,000 Australians are still stuck overseas, unable to snag a spot in quarantine hotels or on unpredictable flights. When a new wave of covid-19 washed over India last month, Mr Morrison barred Australians in India from returning or risk fines and jail time. No other country has threatened its own people thus. He later reversed the policy, but three Australian citizens have since died in India. “Going down the hermit route,” says Tim Soutphommasane of the University of Sydney, is “a rejection of our modern transformation into a confident, multicultural country.”
https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/05/22/australia-and-new-zealand-cannot-hide-from-covid-19-for-ever?
same old same old by the looks.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australia and New Zealand cannot hide from covid-19 for ever
The countries need a plan for reopening to the worldAsia
May 22nd 2021 edition
SYDNEYLast month Six60, a mystifyingly popular Kiwi band, played a gig for a real, flesh-and-blood audience of 50,000 people. “Next time they tell you it’s impossible,” the band wrote online, “Show them this.” Alongside was a photo of the sort of crowds unseen in most of the world since early 2020.
Kiwis and Australians can enjoy what used to be known as normal life because they have almost eliminated the novel coronavirus. Neither country has had many local transmissions this year. Restaurants and bars are busy. Provincial towns bustle with domestic tourists.
The secret to their success is simple: both countries, already hard to reach, simply cut themselves off from the rest of the world. They pulled up the drawbridge in March 2020, allowing only citizens and permanent residents to return. Neither plans to lower it again soon. Australia’s international borders will stay closed until at least mid-2022, its government announced on May 11th. “We have to be careful not to exchange way of life for what everyone else has,” the prime minister, Scott Morrison, told a local newspaper.
This goes down well with voters on both sides of the Tasman Sea, who have got used to living without risk. Yet covid-19 will circulate globally for years to come, even with vaccines. Antipodeans cannot keep it out forever, “unless they want to be isolated from the world until the end of time”, says Alexander Downer, a former Australian foreign minister.
Some have started asking what happens next. A group of business leaders in New Zealand has called for “a path towards sustainable virus management”. Australia cannot ride out the pandemic in an “eliminationist bunker”, Nick Coatsworth, Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer, told a room of doctors this month. “There will come a point where we have to change the way we measure our success against covid,” says Gladys Berejiklian, the Liberal (ie, conservative) premier of New South Wales—though not until locals are vaccinated.
Yet vaccine roll-outs in both countries are proceeding slowly. Only 7.5% of adults in New Zealand have received a first dose, fewer than in Zimbabwe or Palestine, according to The Economist’s tracker. Australia has jabbed 16% of adults once, but many Australians are hesitant about having a shot. The federal government hopes it can immunise all adults by the end of 2021, which would mean working twice as fast.
There are ways to loosen restrictions before that. One is to impose less onerous quarantines on vaccinated travellers, who must spend two weeks in isolation in a guarded hotel, just like unvaccinated ones. Australia’s government says it is thinking about allowing them to quarantine at home. That could help reunite separated families, of which there are many.
Another is to start travel corridors with countries with low rates of transmission. Australia is in talks with Singapore, but a fresh outbreak in the city-state has shown how hard these will be to launch. Nervy Kiwis balked even at a bubble with Australia, which started in April, notes Oliver Hartwich of the New Zealand Initiative, a think-tank. That, he says, is about as ambitious as Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, will get for now.
Neither she nor Mr Morrison has much reason to push hard. Their economies are faring well. And they can easily brush away criticism as callous disregard for life. When the boss of Virgin Australia, an airline, suggested recently that “covid will become part of the community” and “some people may die”, Mr Morrison berated her for being “insensitive”. An election is expected soon. He is well ahead in the polls.
About 35,000 Australians are still stuck overseas, unable to snag a spot in quarantine hotels or on unpredictable flights. When a new wave of covid-19 washed over India last month, Mr Morrison barred Australians in India from returning or risk fines and jail time. No other country has threatened its own people thus. He later reversed the policy, but three Australian citizens have since died in India. “Going down the hermit route,” says Tim Soutphommasane of the University of Sydney, is “a rejection of our modern transformation into a confident, multicultural country.”
https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/05/22/australia-and-new-zealand-cannot-hide-from-covid-19-for-ever?
Hold on, that article went close to critisising both NZ and Saint Jacinda.
Is that allowed?
no.
punishment will follow shortly.
> Australia and New Zealand cannot hide from Covid-19 for ever
Why not?
China, North Korea and Turkmenistan have.
Possibly Tanzania.
fortunately, we’re not hiding from it, so there’s no need to be concerned about forever
we’re taking active measures to prevent it from entering and causing outbreaks, not always successfully, but doing pretty well
we don’t even need to do that forever or even for much longer if other places in the world get their shit together and their bullshit away so as we already know that stuff is a bunch of lies
SCIENCE said:
fortunately, we’re not hiding from it, so there’s no need to be concerned about foreverwe’re taking active measures to prevent it from entering and causing outbreaks, not always successfully, but doing pretty well
we don’t even need to do that forever or even for much longer if other places in the world get their shit together and their bullshit away so as we already know that stuff is a bunch of lies
Whoa. What happened to the wild fonts? The wild out there ideas? The wild….?
Lift your game; in your last post you came across as lucid, rational and sane. This will never do.
:)
it’s probably the ethanol, don’t worry, but we leave you with this
hopefully that’ll satisfy the need for capitals among the audience
SCIENCE said:
it’s probably the ethanol, don’t worry, but we leave you with this
hopefully that’ll satisfy the need for capitals among the audience
Fuckin racists.
SCIENCE said:
it’s probably the ethanol, don’t worry, but we leave you with this
hopefully that’ll satisfy the need for capitals among the audience
I understand not the point being made here. What’s the link between Australian states and Germany?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
it’s probably the ethanol, don’t worry, but we leave you with this
hopefully that’ll satisfy the need for capitals among the audience
I understand not the point being made here. What’s the link between Australian states and Germany?
Germany is restricting entry to Brits while the Australian states do not despite the Indian variant taking hold there.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
it’s probably the ethanol, don’t worry, but we leave you with this
hopefully that’ll satisfy the need for capitals among the audience
I understand not the point being made here. What’s the link between Australian states and Germany?
Just emphasising that we’re letting in lots of people being blocked elsewhere, despite having deficient quarantine.
How true this is I do not claim to know.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
it’s probably the ethanol, don’t worry, but we leave you with this
hopefully that’ll satisfy the need for capitals among the audience
I understand not the point being made here. What’s the link between Australian states and Germany?
Germany is restricting entry to Brits while the Australian states do not despite the Indian variant taking hold there.
So we’re the ones behind the curve and should be following Germany when it comes to Covid?
I’m happy enough to ban British immigration but I didn’t think the numbers were all that great, mostly people returning home from the UK. I don’t think we’re open to general tourism yet.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
it’s probably the ethanol, don’t worry, but we leave you with this
hopefully that’ll satisfy the need for capitals among the audience
I understand not the point being made here. What’s the link between Australian states and Germany?
Germany is restricting entry to Brits while the Australian states do not despite the Indian variant taking hold there.
It’s not as if we are letting in people from anywhere, except of course saint NZ, willy nilly. They all have to put themselves into isolation.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:I understand not the point being made here. What’s the link between Australian states and Germany?
Germany is restricting entry to Brits while the Australian states do not despite the Indian variant taking hold there.
So we’re the ones behind the curve and should be following Germany when it comes to Covid?
I’m happy enough to ban British immigration but I didn’t think the numbers were all that great, mostly people returning home from the UK. I don’t think we’re open to general tourism yet.
Claimed numbers seem to have levelled off, at about 3000/day. Rising slightly. The proportion that are the newest concerning strain, is pretty much approaching 1. The rise is not a good sign so watch carefully, though there isn’t a clear explosion yet.
We don’t want to be catching up, but our preventative measures are probably better than German ones. Haven’t been there recently to confirm. We mean, we were behind CHINA RoKorea Vietnam even arguably NZ, but as long as we’re watching the important signals and learning then we have a chance to hold off any disasters.
As before, it’s probably true that blocking all arrivals is unnecessary. Similarly how keeping Australians in perpetual lockdown is unnecessary. Prevent spread and everyone’s free. If you’re worried, put a pause on arrivals to give time to build better preventative measures. But, and here’s where it’s falling down just at the moment, you then need to use the time you’ve bought, to actually build them.
