Here you go, have a new one. The last one expired yesterday, I think…

buffy said:

Dunno where the COVID thread is at the moment:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-23/over-100-covid19-cases-on-mount-everest-mountaineer-nepal/100159006

Michael V said:

Here you go, have a new one. The last one expired yesterday, I think…

buffy said:

Dunno where the COVID thread is at the moment:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-23/over-100-covid19-cases-on-mount-everest-mountaineer-nepal/100159006

Thank you kind sir.

:)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/virgin-richard-branson-urging-covid-vaccine-borders-travel/100159700

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/virgin-richard-branson-urging-covid-vaccine-borders-travel/100159700

He’s correct, nothing matters more. “Because every single business in Australia will be held back. Every single person in Australia will be held back.”

This augurs well for the Olympics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/three-members-of-olympic-skateboarding-team-contract-covid/100159612

Michael V said:

This augurs well for the Olympics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/three-members-of-olympic-skateboarding-team-contract-covid/100159612

I’d reckon that Japan should give up and wait ‘til next time.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

This augurs well for the Olympics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/three-members-of-olympic-skateboarding-team-contract-covid/100159612

I’d reckon that Japan should give up and wait ‘til next time.

That was just what they decided back in ’45.

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

The first Australia Talks National Survey since the advent of COVID-19 – a study of 60,000 Australians — reveals a lavish spectrum of ways in which Australians have enjoyed being bossed about in the past year.”

—————————————————————————————————————

Although that is one possible conclusion, perhaps people saw what was happening in Italy, New York, etc in March last year and just didn’t want that to happen here.

—————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/annabel-crabb-australia-talks-survey-analysis-covid-19/100142792

Michael V said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

The first Australia Talks National Survey since the advent of COVID-19 – a study of 60,000 Australians — reveals a lavish spectrum of ways in which Australians have enjoyed being bossed about in the past year.”

—————————————————————————————————————

Although that is one possible conclusion, perhaps people saw what was happening in Italy, New York, etc in March last year and just didn’t want that to happen here.

—————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/annabel-crabb-australia-talks-survey-analysis-covid-19/100142792

>what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

or, Australians are in fact quite practical people, mostly

transition said:

or, Australians are in fact quite practical people, mostly

There’s a lot in that.

We’re not as dogmatic about ‘rugged individualism’ (alternative phrase: ‘matted selfishness’) as are Americans, and less likely to say ‘no’ to something just for the sake of striking a pose. There’s a few who will, but there’s a percentage of ratbags everywhere.

Australians are generally able to think something through, and work out benefits vs. costs for themselves. Explain what’s being done, how it works, and what the aims are, and they’ll say, ok, let’s do that.

The early lock-downs lacked a bit of information detail, but most people had an acceptance of the science of disease transmission, so the purpose was readily apparent to them.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/virgin-richard-branson-urging-covid-vaccine-borders-travel/100159700

He’s correct, nothing matters more. “Because every single business in Australia will be held back. Every single person in Australia will be held back.”

Well every single airline business.

And that’s what really matters, isn’t it?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/virgin-richard-branson-urging-covid-vaccine-borders-travel/100159700

He’s correct, nothing matters more. “Because every single business in Australia will be held back. Every single person in Australia will be held back.”

Well every single airline business.

And that’s what really matters, isn’t it?

For him, yeah. For me? I’d have to wait longer for things we import.

transition said:

Michael V said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

The first Australia Talks National Survey since the advent of COVID-19 – a study of 60,000 Australians — reveals a lavish spectrum of ways in which Australians have enjoyed being bossed about in the past year.”

—————————————————————————————————————

Although that is one possible conclusion, perhaps people saw what was happening in Italy, New York, etc in March last year and just didn’t want that to happen here.

—————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/annabel-crabb-australia-talks-survey-analysis-covid-19/100142792

>what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

or, Australians are in fact quite practical people, mostly

Or by a combination of good luck and appropriate action when it mattered, Australia has survived the pandemic far better than almost all countries with similar economic and political systems, so it is perfectly reasonable for people to approve of the way things were handled.

Oh, and talking as though people’s personalities are defined by the country in which they live is just silly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-23/under-50s-get-astrazeneca-vaccine-at-mass-hubs/100158348

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-23/laos-recorded-its-first-covid-death-this-month/100150532

Michael V said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

The first Australia Talks National Survey since the advent of COVID-19 – a study of 60,000 Australians — reveals a lavish spectrum of ways in which Australians have enjoyed being bossed about in the past year.”

—————————————————————————————————————

Although that is one possible conclusion, perhaps people saw what was happening in Italy, New York, etc in March last year and just didn’t want that to happen here.

—————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/annabel-crabb-australia-talks-survey-analysis-covid-19/100142792

with 600 questions, and 60 000 respondents, I guess they can get a pretty good insight into general trends in Australians thinking. Of course you would really have to ask everyone and do a questionnaire into their life history to be sure…

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

The first Australia Talks National Survey since the advent of COVID-19 – a study of 60,000 Australians — reveals a lavish spectrum of ways in which Australians have enjoyed being bossed about in the past year.”

—————————————————————————————————————

Although that is one possible conclusion, perhaps people saw what was happening in Italy, New York, etc in March last year and just didn’t want that to happen here.

—————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/annabel-crabb-australia-talks-survey-analysis-covid-19/100142792

>what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

or, Australians are in fact quite practical people, mostly

Or by a combination of good luck and appropriate action when it mattered, Australia has survived the pandemic far better than almost all countries with similar economic and political systems, so it is perfectly reasonable for people to approve of the way things were handled.

Oh, and talking as though people’s personalities are defined by the country in which they live is just silly.

Exactly what I’d expect a pom to say.

Billy Bragg

Over the years, I’ve been called a sell-out for numerous reasons: signing a record contract; owning more than one pair of shoes; supporting the Labour Party; shaking hands with the Queen; advocating tactical voting – the list goes on. I’m not complaining – it’s a situation faced by everyone who tries to uphold progressive ideas. But I never expected to find that getting vaccinated against Covid-19 would be added to that list.

My one sentence post on the subject yesterday was met with a wave of anger and disappointment from those who felt my support for vaccination was a betrayal of my principles. I tried to reason with some of the early posters, but soon the viriol was raging out of control, like a dumpster fire. There were some comments accusing me of ‘genocide’, plenty of dystopian imagery featuring vaccinated zombies and a quite a few of the “I’ve never heard of Billy Bragg but….” kind. Raking over the ashes this morning, I’d say they could be broadly categorised into two distinct camps.

The first could be described as libertarians, those who see the vaccine argument as a conflict between individual liberty and the common good. Given that socialism is based on the notion of the common good, it’s baffling that many who voice this libertarian line believe themselves to be taking a left wing position. After all, this is the basis upon which some Americans oppose the idea of universal health care for all in the US and also found expression in Margaret Thatcher’s famous maxim that there is no such thing as society.

So vague are its tenets, it’s arguable whether or not libertarianism is an ideology, but in the past decade or so, it has become a touchstone for keyboard warriors seeking a shield from accountability. That tendency was prominent among anti-vaxxers responding to my post, many of who made an argument that can be summed up as follows: “I have made my choice as a sovereign individual and I don’t see why I should face any repercussions as a result. In fact, to hold me responsible for my actions in an infringement of my liberty.”

It’s an argument echoed by the Brexiteers who refuse to accept that, due to the puritanical Brexit that Boris Johnson chose to pursue, there now has to be a border in the Irish Sea. Likewise Trump supporters in the US Senate, who feel that there should be no proper investigation into the Jan 6th insurrection.

The libertarian strain can be seen around the world, in everything from Bolsanaro in Brazil refusing to act on climate change to the Tories threatening anyone who suggests that the British Empire may have been a negative force. The rise of authoritarian leaders around world determined to avoid any kind of accountability shows the threat that libertarianism presents to a democratic society. It also underlines the fact that the rejection of the common good does not hold water as a left wing position.

The second distinct group among those angry at my post can be described as the vaccine hesitant. As an apprehensive flyer, I have some sympathy for them. I know that I am more at risk traveling in a car than in a plane, but I’m never at ease going up and always relieved to come back down. But although I respect their right to be hesitant, as with the libertarians, the onus is upon them to respect me if I am hesitant to mix with them.

I also worry that those with genuine concerns are in danger of being manipulated by the forces of reaction. Fear-mongering about vaccination has long been used by the right as a tool for divisive and discriminatory propaganda, as seen in the poster below, produced in the mid-50s by the Keep America Committee, a right wing anti-communist group from California.

They identify the three great threats to the US as being fluoridated water, mental hygiene and the polio vaccine. Polio was a huge threat to children everywhere in the years after WWII. Ian Dury caught the disease as a seven year old while innocently playing in a swimming pool in Southend during the 1949 epidemic. A 1952 survey found that Americans feared only nuclear annihilation more than polio.
In 1954, mass inoculation of children began in America. This kind of propaganda soon followed, seeking to scare people into opposing not just the vaccination of their children but also the possibility of “nation-wide socialised medicine” – libertarian pushback against the notion of the common good.

History tells us that mass vaccination eliminated polio in the US and elsewhere in the world. The hesitancy of parents to have their children vaccinated was unfounded. Furthermore, fluoridated water turned out to be a threat to only to tooth decay.

What the Keep America Committee meant by ‘mental hygiene’ is harder to discern. Their description of it sounds as if it is one of those concepts like ‘cultural marxism’ or ‘political correctness’ that can be used to deflect accusations of bigotry and discrimination. That impression is underscored by the example given, the implication of which is that we must watch out against people who take us to task for being anti-semitic.

There were worrying echoes of the messaging in this poster among the comments left by anti-vaxxers in my thread – dark mumblings about George Soros and one world governments, claims that vaccination is the first step on the road to communism (in one case, immediately beneath another claiming it is the first step towards fascism. Please, make your minds up!)

My worry is that the genuine concerns of the vaccine hesitant, when mixed with the dystopian visions of conspiracy hacks and cybercondriacs, will act as a recruiting tool for the libertarian right. The Keep America poster should act as both a comfort to the vaccine hesitant – none of their doom-laden predictions came to pass – but also a warning to them to be aware of who is feeding their fears.

In the end, we all want the same thing: an end to the lockdowns and a return to some semblance of a normal life. By following the NHS guidelines in continuing to wear a mask in public places, keep my distance and wash my hands even though I’m vaccinated, I’m doing what I can to help hasten that day. By contrast, libertarians seem determined to prolong the misery by ignoring their responsibility to their fellow citizens.

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

>what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

or, Australians are in fact quite practical people, mostly

Or by a combination of good luck and appropriate action when it mattered, Australia has survived the pandemic far better than almost all countries with similar economic and political systems, so it is perfectly reasonable for people to approve of the way things were handled.

Oh, and talking as though people’s personalities are defined by the country in which they live is just silly.

Exactly what I’d expect a pom to say.

:)

Except I have lived longer in Australia than I did in the UK, so I’d be well and truly tainted by Australian thinking by now.

If there was such a thing.

And I’m a true Scot, I’ll have you know.

JudgeMental said:

Billy Bragg

Over the years, I’ve been called a sell-out for numerous reasons: signing a record contract; owning more than one pair of shoes; supporting the Labour Party; shaking hands with the Queen; advocating tactical voting – the list goes on. I’m not complaining – it’s a situation faced by everyone who tries to uphold progressive ideas. But I never expected to find that getting vaccinated against Covid-19 would be added to that list.

My one sentence post on the subject yesterday was met with a wave of anger and disappointment from those who felt my support for vaccination was a betrayal of my principles. I tried to reason with some of the early posters, but soon the viriol was raging out of control, like a dumpster fire. There were some comments accusing me of ‘genocide’, plenty of dystopian imagery featuring vaccinated zombies and a quite a few of the “I’ve never heard of Billy Bragg but….” kind. Raking over the ashes this morning, I’d say they could be broadly categorised into two distinct camps.

The first could be described as libertarians, those who see the vaccine argument as a conflict between individual liberty and the common good. Given that socialism is based on the notion of the common good, it’s baffling that many who voice this libertarian line believe themselves to be taking a left wing position. After all, this is the basis upon which some Americans oppose the idea of universal health care for all in the US and also found expression in Margaret Thatcher’s famous maxim that there is no such thing as society.

So vague are its tenets, it’s arguable whether or not libertarianism is an ideology, but in the past decade or so, it has become a touchstone for keyboard warriors seeking a shield from accountability. That tendency was prominent among anti-vaxxers responding to my post, many of who made an argument that can be summed up as follows: “I have made my choice as a sovereign individual and I don’t see why I should face any repercussions as a result. In fact, to hold me responsible for my actions in an infringement of my liberty.”

It’s an argument echoed by the Brexiteers who refuse to accept that, due to the puritanical Brexit that Boris Johnson chose to pursue, there now has to be a border in the Irish Sea. Likewise Trump supporters in the US Senate, who feel that there should be no proper investigation into the Jan 6th insurrection.

The libertarian strain can be seen around the world, in everything from Bolsanaro in Brazil refusing to act on climate change to the Tories threatening anyone who suggests that the British Empire may have been a negative force. The rise of authoritarian leaders around world determined to avoid any kind of accountability shows the threat that libertarianism presents to a democratic society. It also underlines the fact that the rejection of the common good does not hold water as a left wing position.

The second distinct group among those angry at my post can be described as the vaccine hesitant. As an apprehensive flyer, I have some sympathy for them. I know that I am more at risk traveling in a car than in a plane, but I’m never at ease going up and always relieved to come back down. But although I respect their right to be hesitant, as with the libertarians, the onus is upon them to respect me if I am hesitant to mix with them.

I also worry that those with genuine concerns are in danger of being manipulated by the forces of reaction. Fear-mongering about vaccination has long been used by the right as a tool for divisive and discriminatory propaganda, as seen in the poster below, produced in the mid-50s by the Keep America Committee, a right wing anti-communist group from California.

They identify the three great threats to the US as being fluoridated water, mental hygiene and the polio vaccine. Polio was a huge threat to children everywhere in the years after WWII. Ian Dury caught the disease as a seven year old while innocently playing in a swimming pool in Southend during the 1949 epidemic. A 1952 survey found that Americans feared only nuclear annihilation more than polio.
In 1954, mass inoculation of children began in America. This kind of propaganda soon followed, seeking to scare people into opposing not just the vaccination of their children but also the possibility of “nation-wide socialised medicine” – libertarian pushback against the notion of the common good.

History tells us that mass vaccination eliminated polio in the US and elsewhere in the world. The hesitancy of parents to have their children vaccinated was unfounded. Furthermore, fluoridated water turned out to be a threat to only to tooth decay.

What the Keep America Committee meant by ‘mental hygiene’ is harder to discern. Their description of it sounds as if it is one of those concepts like ‘cultural marxism’ or ‘political correctness’ that can be used to deflect accusations of bigotry and discrimination. That impression is underscored by the example given, the implication of which is that we must watch out against people who take us to task for being anti-semitic.

There were worrying echoes of the messaging in this poster among the comments left by anti-vaxxers in my thread – dark mumblings about George Soros and one world governments, claims that vaccination is the first step on the road to communism (in one case, immediately beneath another claiming it is the first step towards fascism. Please, make your minds up!)

My worry is that the genuine concerns of the vaccine hesitant, when mixed with the dystopian visions of conspiracy hacks and cybercondriacs, will act as a recruiting tool for the libertarian right. The Keep America poster should act as both a comfort to the vaccine hesitant – none of their doom-laden predictions came to pass – but also a warning to them to be aware of who is feeding their fears.

In the end, we all want the same thing: an end to the lockdowns and a return to some semblance of a normal life. By following the NHS guidelines in continuing to wear a mask in public places, keep my distance and wash my hands even though I’m vaccinated, I’m doing what I can to help hasten that day. By contrast, libertarians seem determined to prolong the misery by ignoring their responsibility to their fellow citizens.

I’ve had my doubts about Billy Brag in the past, and quite honestly I don’t much care for his singing voice,

but that is a well written piece, and I agree with every word of it.

Bill Baily and Billy Bragg

New community COVID-19 cases in Melbourne.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/victoria-two-covid-19-cases-in-melbourne-north/100160012

Michael V said:

New community COVID-19 cases in Melbourne.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/victoria-two-covid-19-cases-in-melbourne-north/100160012

Fantastic.

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

—
Fuck off!

Ian said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

—
Fuck off!

don’t tell me what to do!!!!

Ian said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

—
Fuck off!

Sibeen has copyrighted that for his cricket commentary.

Ian said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

—
Fuck off!

I think that is wrong quite frankly. I think it is more about cooperative versus selfish behavior. Doing the right thing not because we were told to do it, but because we see the benefits of doing it. As time goes by and we see how bad shit gets in countries were selfishness prevails over community common sense it reinforces that we are better than those other countries because we’re doing it right.

party_pants said:

Ian said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

—
Fuck off!

I think that is wrong quite frankly. I think it is more about cooperative versus selfish behavior. Doing the right thing not because we were told to do it, but because we see the benefits of doing it. As time goes by and we see how bad shit gets in countries were selfishness prevails over community common sense it reinforces that we are better than those other countries because we’re doing it right.

nah, your all sheeple.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

—
Fuck off!

I think that is wrong quite frankly. I think it is more about cooperative versus selfish behavior. Doing the right thing not because we were told to do it, but because we see the benefits of doing it. As time goes by and we see how bad shit gets in countries were selfishness prevails over community common sense it reinforces that we are better than those other countries because we’re doing it right.

nah, your all sheeple.

I’m a maleple.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

Ian said:

“All these years, we’ve thought ourselves a larrikin nation, ill at ease with authority figures.

But a crunchy session with a global pandemic has brought out something absolutely unmistakeable about the Australian character — actually, what we REALLY like is to be told what to do.

—
Fuck off!

I think that is wrong quite frankly. I think it is more about cooperative versus selfish behavior. Doing the right thing not because we were told to do it, but because we see the benefits of doing it. As time goes by and we see how bad shit gets in countries were selfishness prevails over community common sense it reinforces that we are better than those other countries because we’re doing it right.

nah, your all sheeple.

yore
yaw
your
you’re

learn to pick the right one mother-fucker!

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

I think that is wrong quite frankly. I think it is more about cooperative versus selfish behavior. Doing the right thing not because we were told to do it, but because we see the benefits of doing it. As time goes by and we see how bad shit gets in countries were selfishness prevails over community common sense it reinforces that we are better than those other countries because we’re doing it right.

nah, your all sheeple.

I’m a maleple.

A maple

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

New community COVID-19 cases in Melbourne.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/victoria-two-covid-19-cases-in-melbourne-north/100160012

Fantastic.

Not ideal, that’s for sure.

The only thing in the well-thought and well-written article by Billy Bragg that i would take a slight degree of issue with is where he said:

‘‘History tells us that mass vaccination eliminated polio in the US and elsewhere in the world. The hesitancy of parents to have their children vaccinated was unfounded.

The second part, about parents being hesitant about their children having the polio vaccine.

Far from it.

In the US, the announcement of a successful polio vaccine was greeted with wild joy. It was relief for millions of parents from a terrible nightmare. There was a push to have Jonas Salk’s birthday declared a national holiday. No longer would there be scenes like this:

Apart from that, i back every word he says.

captain_spalding said:

The only thing in the well-thought and well-written article by Billy Bragg that i would take a slight degree of issue with is where he said:

‘‘History tells us that mass vaccination eliminated polio in the US and elsewhere in the world. The hesitancy of parents to have their children vaccinated was unfounded.

The second part, about parents being hesitant about their children having the polio vaccine.

Far from it.

In the US, the announcement of a successful polio vaccine was greeted with wild joy. It was relief for millions of parents from a terrible nightmare. There was a push to have Jonas Salk’s birthday declared a national holiday. No longer would there be scenes like this:

Apart from that, i back every word he says.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

could have had something to do with the hesitancy.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

The only thing in the well-thought and well-written article by Billy Bragg that i would take a slight degree of issue with is where he said:

‘‘History tells us that mass vaccination eliminated polio in the US and elsewhere in the world. The hesitancy of parents to have their children vaccinated was unfounded.

The second part, about parents being hesitant about their children having the polio vaccine.

Far from it.

In the US, the announcement of a successful polio vaccine was greeted with wild joy. It was relief for millions of parents from a terrible nightmare. There was a push to have Jonas Salk’s birthday declared a national holiday. No longer would there be scenes like this:

Apart from that, i back every word he says.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

could have had something to do with the hesitancy.

That incident did have a big impact, and there was some hesitation. But, the prospect of an effective vaccine and the new steps by the government and the later assurance from it quickly overcame that.

People saw the tragedy, but believed the science, and weighed the odds.

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

I think that is wrong quite frankly. I think it is more about cooperative versus selfish behavior. Doing the right thing not because we were told to do it, but because we see the benefits of doing it. As time goes by and we see how bad shit gets in countries were selfishness prevails over community common sense it reinforces that we are better than those other countries because we’re doing it right.

nah, your all sheeple.

yore
yaw
your
you’re

learn to pick the right one mother-fucker!

I told you yesterday this forum does it wrong. You are supposed to be all supportive of everyone else here, because that is why people use “social” sites…

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

New community COVID-19 cases in Melbourne.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/victoria-two-covid-19-cases-in-melbourne-north/100160012

Fantastic.

Not ideal, that’s for sure.

Does “likely positive” mean “We aren’t sure if they are false positives so we are retesting”?

buffy said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Fantastic.

Not ideal, that’s for sure.

Does “likely positive” mean “We aren’t sure if they are false positives so we are retesting”?

Probably:

“Victoria’s Transport Infrastructure Minister Jacinta Allan said retesting would help authorities determine if the likely cases could be confirmed as positive.

“As we receive more information from those investigations and from those interviews we will be updating the Victorian community on whether those likely cases have become positive or negative, and also any information that needs to be provided, for example any potential exposure sites,” she said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/covid-live-updates-melbourne-positive-cases-blog/100160024

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Not ideal, that’s for sure.

Does “likely positive” mean “We aren’t sure if they are false positives so we are retesting”?

Probably:

“Victoria’s Transport Infrastructure Minister Jacinta Allan said retesting would help authorities determine if the likely cases could be confirmed as positive.

“As we receive more information from those investigations and from those interviews we will be updating the Victorian community on whether those likely cases have become positive or negative, and also any information that needs to be provided, for example any potential exposure sites,” she said.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/covid-live-updates-melbourne-positive-cases-blog/100160024

We seem to be somewhat suddenly more cautious about a positive. Previously, a positive was a positive. Now it’s getting more wishy-washy. There was retesting, but not this reluctance to say someone is positive on the first go.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Or by a combination of good luck and appropriate action when it mattered, Australia has survived the pandemic far better than almost all countries with similar economic and political systems, so it is perfectly reasonable for people to approve of the way things were handled.

Oh, and talking as though people’s personalities are defined by the country in which they live is just silly.

Exactly what I’d expect a pom to say.

:)

Except I have lived longer in Australia than I did in the UK, so I’d be well and truly tainted by Australian thinking by now.

If there was such a thing.

And I’m a true Scot, I’ll have you know.

I don’t remember saying anything about personality, or personalities, but I did mention being practical, some qualities that way

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

The only thing in the well-thought and well-written article by Billy Bragg that i would take a slight degree of issue with is where he said:

‘‘History tells us that mass vaccination eliminated polio in the US and elsewhere in the world. The hesitancy of parents to have their children vaccinated was unfounded.

The second part, about parents being hesitant about their children having the polio vaccine.

Far from it.

In the US, the announcement of a successful polio vaccine was greeted with wild joy. It was relief for millions of parents from a terrible nightmare. There was a push to have Jonas Salk’s birthday declared a national holiday. No longer would there be scenes like this:

Apart from that, i back every word he says.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

could have had something to do with the hesitancy.

That incident did have a big impact, and there was some hesitation. But, the prospect of an effective vaccine and the new steps by the government and the later assurance from it quickly overcame that.

People saw the tragedy, but believed the science, and weighed the odds.

had long term effects also, post-polio fatigue and whatever related, one of the smaller viruses as recall, gets into peoples’ brains, so guessing immune response maybe does the damage, causes lesions in the brain, certain part of the brain preferentially, by memory, possibly unreliable memory

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

could have had something to do with the hesitancy.

That incident did have a big impact, and there was some hesitation. But, the prospect of an effective vaccine and the new steps by the government and the later assurance from it quickly overcame that.

People saw the tragedy, but believed the science, and weighed the odds.

had long term effects also, post-polio fatigue and whatever related, one of the smaller viruses as recall, gets into peoples’ brains, so guessing immune response maybe does the damage, causes lesions in the brain, certain part of the brain preferentially, by memory, possibly unreliable memory

Humanity as a whole could just be becoming dumber, believe any old nonsense without any facts and not believe evidence based information.

Cymek said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

That incident did have a big impact, and there was some hesitation. But, the prospect of an effective vaccine and the new steps by the government and the later assurance from it quickly overcame that.

People saw the tragedy, but believed the science, and weighed the odds.

had long term effects also, post-polio fatigue and whatever related, one of the smaller viruses as recall, gets into peoples’ brains, so guessing immune response maybe does the damage, causes lesions in the brain, certain part of the brain preferentially, by memory, possibly unreliable memory

Humanity as a whole could just be becoming dumber, believe any old nonsense without any facts and not believe evidence based information.

‘Could’ ?

Spiny Norman said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

had long term effects also, post-polio fatigue and whatever related, one of the smaller viruses as recall, gets into peoples’ brains, so guessing immune response maybe does the damage, causes lesions in the brain, certain part of the brain preferentially, by memory, possibly unreliable memory

Humanity as a whole could just be becoming dumber, believe any old nonsense without any facts and not believe evidence based information.

‘Could’ ?

Is

Cymek said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

That incident did have a big impact, and there was some hesitation. But, the prospect of an effective vaccine and the new steps by the government and the later assurance from it quickly overcame that.

People saw the tragedy, but believed the science, and weighed the odds.

had long term effects also, post-polio fatigue and whatever related, one of the smaller viruses as recall, gets into peoples’ brains, so guessing immune response maybe does the damage, causes lesions in the brain, certain part of the brain preferentially, by memory, possibly unreliable memory

Humanity as a whole could just be becoming dumber, believe any old nonsense without any facts and not believe evidence based information.

nah, it is a small subset of people. It just seems a lot because, a)we hear them now b)there are more people around.

JudgeMental said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

had long term effects also, post-polio fatigue and whatever related, one of the smaller viruses as recall, gets into peoples’ brains, so guessing immune response maybe does the damage, causes lesions in the brain, certain part of the brain preferentially, by memory, possibly unreliable memory

Humanity as a whole could just be becoming dumber, believe any old nonsense without any facts and not believe evidence based information.

nah, it is a small subset of people. It just seems a lot because, a)we hear them now b)there are more people around.

What we hear less of or so it seems are people who are radical realists.

Cymek said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

That incident did have a big impact, and there was some hesitation. But, the prospect of an effective vaccine and the new steps by the government and the later assurance from it quickly overcame that.

People saw the tragedy, but believed the science, and weighed the odds.

had long term effects also, post-polio fatigue and whatever related, one of the smaller viruses as recall, gets into peoples’ brains, so guessing immune response maybe does the damage, causes lesions in the brain, certain part of the brain preferentially, by memory, possibly unreliable memory

Humanity as a whole could just be becoming dumber, believe any old nonsense without any facts and not believe evidence based information.

I was remembering stuff like below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-polio_syndrome

“Post-polio syndrome (PPS, poliomyelitis sequelae) is a group of latent symptoms of poliomyelitis (polio), occurring at about a 25–40% rate (latest data greater than 80%). These symptoms are caused by the damaging effects of the viral infection on the nervous system. Symptoms typically occur 15 to 30 years after an initial acute paralytic attack. Symptoms include decreasing muscular function or acute weakness with pain and fatigue. The same symptoms may also occur years after a nonparalytic polio (NPP) infection…

…Numerous theories have been proposed to explain post-polio syndrome. Despite this, no absolutely defined causes of PPS are known. The most widely accepted theory of the mechanism behind the disorder is “neural fatigue”. A motor unit is a nerve cell (or neuron) and the muscle fibers it activates. Poliovirus attacks specific neurons in the brainstem and the anterior horn cells of the spinal cord, generally resulting in the death of a substantial fraction of the motor neurons controlling skeletal muscles. In an effort to compensate for the loss of these neurons, surviving motor neurons sprout new nerve terminals to the orphaned muscle fibers..

..Old data show PPS occurs in roughly 25 to 50% of people who survive a polio infection. However newer data from countries that have contacted their polio survivors have shown 85% of their polio survivors to have symptoms of post polio syndrome. Typically, it occurs 30–35 years afterwards, but delays between 8 and 71 years have been recorded. The disease occurs sooner in persons with more severe initial infections. Other factors that increase the risk of PPS include increasing length of time since acute poliovirus infection, presence of permanent residual impairment after recovery from the acute illness, and being female.

PPS is documented to occur in cases of nonparalytic polio (NPP). One review states late-onset weakness and fatigue occur in 14–42% of NPP patients..”

The International Olympic Committee’s insistence that “sacrifices” must be made to ensure the Games go ahead in Tokyo regardless of the coronavirus situation in Japan has sparked a backlash and more calls for them to be cancelled.

John Coates, an IOC vice-president, drew criticism in Japan after saying the Games would proceed even if the host city was still under a state of emergency due to the coronavirus. “The answer is absolutely yes,” Coates, who is overseeing preparations, said when asked on Friday if he thought they could be delivered despite the restrictions.

Social media users accused Coates and the IOC president, Thomas Bach, of ignoring the Japanese public sentiment, which is overwhelmingly opposed to holding the Games this year.

“Thomas Bach and John Coates are neck and neck in the race for the most hated pariah here. I predict a dead heat,” said a Japanese Twitter user.

On Saturday, Bach, who has been criticised for referring to the “resilience” of the Japanese people, told a meeting of the International Hockey Federation: “The athletes definitely can make their Olympic dreams come true. We have to make some sacrifices to make this possible.”

While it was not clear to whom Bach was referring when he called for sacrifices to be made, many assumed he had the Japanese public in mind.

“Does he say that the safety, health, and life of the Japanese should be sacrificed for the Olympics?” said one Twitter user. Another asked: “Why do people in Japan have to make a sacrifice for Olympics during a worldwide pandemic? It is definitely not acceptable.

Masayoshi Son, the chief executive of the SoftBank Group, said “vaccine laggard” Japan could pay a much higher price if the Games go ahead, in comments critical of apparent inability of the Japanese government to push the IOC to call off the Games without incurring huge financial penalties.

“Currently more than 80% of people want the Olympics to be postponed or cancelled. Who and on what authority is it being forced through?” the telecoms billionaire wrote in a Twitter post.

Executives and their mouth, eh.

sibeen said:

The International Olympic Committee’s insistence that “sacrifices” must be made to ensure the Games go ahead in Tokyo regardless of the coronavirus situation in Japan has sparked a backlash and more calls for them to be cancelled.

John Coates, an IOC vice-president, drew criticism in Japan after saying the Games would proceed even if the host city was still under a state of emergency due to the coronavirus. “The answer is absolutely yes,” Coates, who is overseeing preparations, said when asked on Friday if he thought they could be delivered despite the restrictions.

Social media users accused Coates and the IOC president, Thomas Bach, of ignoring the Japanese public sentiment, which is overwhelmingly opposed to holding the Games this year.

“Thomas Bach and John Coates are neck and neck in the race for the most hated pariah here. I predict a dead heat,” said a Japanese Twitter user.

On Saturday, Bach, who has been criticised for referring to the “resilience” of the Japanese people, told a meeting of the International Hockey Federation: “The athletes definitely can make their Olympic dreams come true. We have to make some sacrifices to make this possible.”

While it was not clear to whom Bach was referring when he called for sacrifices to be made, many assumed he had the Japanese public in mind.

“Does he say that the safety, health, and life of the Japanese should be sacrificed for the Olympics?” said one Twitter user. Another asked: “Why do people in Japan have to make a sacrifice for Olympics during a worldwide pandemic? It is definitely not acceptable.

Masayoshi Son, the chief executive of the SoftBank Group, said “vaccine laggard” Japan could pay a much higher price if the Games go ahead, in comments critical of apparent inability of the Japanese government to push the IOC to call off the Games without incurring huge financial penalties.

“Currently more than 80% of people want the Olympics to be postponed or cancelled. Who and on what authority is it being forced through?” the telecoms billionaire wrote in a Twitter post.

Executives and their mouth, eh.

Yeah.

Cancelling the games could almost be the ruin of the Olympics movement. It might lead to the realisation that the world can do well enough without it.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

The International Olympic Committee’s insistence that “sacrifices” must be made to ensure the Games go ahead in Tokyo regardless of the coronavirus situation in Japan has sparked a backlash and more calls for them to be cancelled.

John Coates, an IOC vice-president, drew criticism in Japan after saying the Games would proceed even if the host city was still under a state of emergency due to the coronavirus. “The answer is absolutely yes,” Coates, who is overseeing preparations, said when asked on Friday if he thought they could be delivered despite the restrictions.

Social media users accused Coates and the IOC president, Thomas Bach, of ignoring the Japanese public sentiment, which is overwhelmingly opposed to holding the Games this year.

“Thomas Bach and John Coates are neck and neck in the race for the most hated pariah here. I predict a dead heat,” said a Japanese Twitter user.

On Saturday, Bach, who has been criticised for referring to the “resilience” of the Japanese people, told a meeting of the International Hockey Federation: “The athletes definitely can make their Olympic dreams come true. We have to make some sacrifices to make this possible.”

While it was not clear to whom Bach was referring when he called for sacrifices to be made, many assumed he had the Japanese public in mind.

“Does he say that the safety, health, and life of the Japanese should be sacrificed for the Olympics?” said one Twitter user. Another asked: “Why do people in Japan have to make a sacrifice for Olympics during a worldwide pandemic? It is definitely not acceptable.

Masayoshi Son, the chief executive of the SoftBank Group, said “vaccine laggard” Japan could pay a much higher price if the Games go ahead, in comments critical of apparent inability of the Japanese government to push the IOC to call off the Games without incurring huge financial penalties.

“Currently more than 80% of people want the Olympics to be postponed or cancelled. Who and on what authority is it being forced through?” the telecoms billionaire wrote in a Twitter post.

Executives and their mouth, eh.

Yeah.

Cancelling the games could almost be the ruin of the Olympics movement. It might lead to the realisation that the world can do well enough without it.

The same could be said of any number of major sporting events.

Ah shit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9612535/British-woman-39-dies-Cyprus-blood-clotting-incident-days-receiving-AstraZeneca-jab.html

Her facebook page is full of anti-vaxxers having a field day. :(

Melbourne COVID-19 restrictions return as cluster grows in nothern suburbs
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-25/melbourne-covid-cluster-grows-victoria-restrictions-return/100162644

Melbourne COVID-19 exposure sites include Bundoora Jump Swim School and Highpoint Shopping Centre
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-25/covid-exposure-sites-list-melbourne-victoria-bundoora-highpoint/100162814

Yay, I get to wear a mask again. Oh, the joy.

sibeen said:

Yay, I get to wear a mask again. Oh, the joy.

I’m meant to be flying to QLD on Thursday.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

Yay, I get to wear a mask again. Oh, the joy.

I’m meant to be flying to QLD on Thursday.

Unclean! Unclean!

dv said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

dv said:

Rotating definitions of house.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

She could be head of the blue rinse brigade

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

Be a horrible thing to have if you were homeless.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

Be a horrible thing to have if you were homeless.

Yes I bet your chances of dying go way up

dv said:

Covid only happens on certain days, no covid today so it was ok leave the house.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

… when I say “house”, it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us!

Dogs Can Detect Over 90% of COVID-19 Cases, Even Asymptomatic Ones

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

… when I say “house”, it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us!

our whole family lived in a discarded shoe box.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

… when I say “house”, it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us!

looxury.

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Maybe the town centre is her house.

… when I say “house”, it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us!

looxury.

It was one of the great Monty Python skits.

sibeen said:

Yay, I get to wear a mask again. Oh, the joy.

Pfft..you did that last week on public transport. It’s like riding a bike…

But the rules “follow” Melburnians to wherever they’re visiting.

For example, if you’re from Melbourne and you’re visiting a friend in Bendigo, you must wear your mask indoors and they’ll only be able to have five visitors that day.

Making a rule like that is just stupid, IMHO.

OK, late yesterday there were 2 “possible” positives in Melbourne. Suddenly there are 4 positives and another one. I’ll go and read the ABC bloggy thing, but how did this change happen overnight?

buffy said:

OK, late yesterday there were 2 “possible” positives in Melbourne. Suddenly there are 4 positives and another one. I’ll go and read the ABC bloggy thing, but how did this change happen overnight?

They will have to do some back tracking I guess.

We will see more dog sniffers at airports, cruise ship terminals and rock concerts.

Tau.Neutrino said:

We will see more dog sniffers at airports, cruise ship terminals and rock concerts.

I think that there could be a subtle, but important, difference between ‘sniffer dogs’ and ‘dog sniffers’.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We will see more dog sniffers at airports, cruise ship terminals and rock concerts.

I think that there could be a subtle, but important, difference between ‘sniffer dogs’ and ‘dog sniffers’.

Yes, you are correct.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We will see more dog sniffers at airports, cruise ship terminals and rock concerts.

I think that there could be a subtle, but important, difference between ‘sniffer dogs’ and ‘dog sniffers’.

LOL

I lost 10kg in 6 weeks. Bloody sniffer dogs…

For Rule, the latest:

https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing

Michael V said:

For Rule, the latest:

https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/border-closing

TY, MV.

Nowhere near me, fortunately.

The statisticians are starting to play with the excess deaths numbers.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/24/swedens-2020-death-spike-lower-than-much-of-europe-data-shows

(Yes, that’s an Al Jazeera news piece, not the source material)

And one comparing UK and Sweden. With sources.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data

buffy said:

And one comparing UK and Sweden. With sources.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data

‘The Spectator’ has had a barrow to push since the start of the pandemic.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And one comparing UK and Sweden. With sources.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data

‘The Spectator’ has had a barrow to push since the start of the pandemic.

I don’t actually know who “The Spectator” is. The piece does seem to be using proper sources though. There a lot of barrow pushers about.

Now 9 active cases in Victoria.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And one comparing UK and Sweden. With sources.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data

‘The Spectator’ has had a barrow to push since the start of the pandemic.

I don’t actually know who “The Spectator” is. The piece does seem to be using proper sources though. There a lot of barrow pushers about.

It’s a very right-wing rag.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

And one comparing UK and Sweden. With sources.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data

‘The Spectator’ has had a barrow to push since the start of the pandemic.

I don’t actually know who “The Spectator” is. The piece does seem to be using proper sources though. There a lot of barrow pushers about.

The Spectator is a conservative UK newspaper.

buffy said:

And one comparing UK and Sweden. With sources.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data

Not really a good comparison. Both countries got it wrong.

The UK’s high death rate in the first wave was due to letting it get into and run rampant in aged care homes. That was all down to bad policy, poor implementation and shortages of critical equipment.
The UK second wave was delayed by nearly 2 months after the SAGE formal advice to go into lockdown. The government responded with half arsed measures like shutting pubs 2 hours early instead. They only went into full lockdown when the situation went out of control. Then they ended it too soon because it was just before Christmas, and the rate went out of control again and well beyond what is was in December. They had a hard lockdown for months to bring it back under control and are only now starting to relax it.

It is not a fair comparison to say that lockdowns are ineffective by comparing the UK and Sweden. The correct interpretation is that lockdowns are effective, and the sooner applied the better. The UK’s rate of infections for each successive wave only started to fall after lockdowns were introduced.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

‘The Spectator’ has had a barrow to push since the start of the pandemic.

I don’t actually know who “The Spectator” is. The piece does seem to be using proper sources though. There a lot of barrow pushers about.

The Spectator is a conservative UK newspaper.

Weekly magazine format now.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

‘The Spectator’ has had a barrow to push since the start of the pandemic.

I don’t actually know who “The Spectator” is. The piece does seem to be using proper sources though. There a lot of barrow pushers about.

It’s a very right-wing rag.

It’s a bit surprising it is giving Sweden a partial OK then.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

And one comparing UK and Sweden. With sources.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-covid-and-lockdown-a-look-at-the-data

Not really a good comparison. Both countries got it wrong.

The UK’s high death rate in the first wave was due to letting it get into and run rampant in aged care homes. That was all down to bad policy, poor implementation and shortages of critical equipment.
The UK second wave was delayed by nearly 2 months after the SAGE formal advice to go into lockdown. The government responded with half arsed measures like shutting pubs 2 hours early instead. They only went into full lockdown when the situation went out of control. Then they ended it too soon because it was just before Christmas, and the rate went out of control again and well beyond what is was in December. They had a hard lockdown for months to bring it back under control and are only now starting to relax it.

It is not a fair comparison to say that lockdowns are ineffective by comparing the UK and Sweden. The correct interpretation is that lockdowns are effective, and the sooner applied the better. The UK’s rate of infections for each successive wave only started to fall after lockdowns were introduced.

I think it’s fair to compare. With a lot of provisos, mentioned in that piece too. But in the washup, comparing is the scientific thing to do. It is probably still too soon.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I don’t actually know who “The Spectator” is. The piece does seem to be using proper sources though. There a lot of barrow pushers about.

It’s a very right-wing rag.

It’s a bit surprising it is giving Sweden a partial OK then.

Just repeating their mantra of little government interference in the economy regardless of the cost.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s a very right-wing rag.

It’s a bit surprising it is giving Sweden a partial OK then.

Just repeating their mantra of little government interference in the economy regardless of the cost.

Yeah, but…socialism!!

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I don’t actually know who “The Spectator” is. The piece does seem to be using proper sources though. There a lot of barrow pushers about.

It’s a very right-wing rag.

It’s a bit surprising it is giving Sweden a partial OK then.

It’s a fair article not cheering for either country but presenting some known data.
Sweden seems to come out fairly well although the UK started badly but is coming home with a wet sail due to mass vaccinations, be interesting to see how they go now that they have started dismantling the restrictions.

Dang it. Things have got worse in Uraguay and Paraguay this week, and they’re the worst two countries in the world for covid deaths per unit population. Previous weeks they’d been slowly getting better.

Brazil still sitting on number 7.
Worst in eastern Europe moving down the chart to number 10.
India up to number 33.
Russia at number 40.
USA on number 55 = World average.

First time I’ve seen Nepal high on the list, at 12th worst for deaths per unit population AND 10th worst in cases (ignoring population) in the last week.

Nepal deaths.

Big list of potential exposure sites for current outbreak in Vic.

Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/?

Rule 303 said:

Big list of potential exposure sites for current outbreak in Vic.

I guess the problem with that is that few Australians actually feel sick with it. We tend to be healthy and not as packed into small spaces.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/?

Interesting read, the mine > lab connection looks suspicious.

buffy said:

Rule 303 said:

Big list of potential exposure sites for current outbreak in Vic.

I guess the problem with that is that few Australians actually feel sick with it. We tend to be healthy and not as packed into small spaces.

of particular concern were three bars attended by a case on Saturday night in South Yarra and Prahran

and then there’s Gutful Not-Up-There-Nor-Up-To-Date B trying to prejudice the management by excusing failures to interrupt transmission

we’ve said it before, there is a point at which the number of exposure sites is enough that you just need to put a stop to further movements for a while

notwithstanding all that

the new strains are 3 times more contagious so you don’t really have that margin of error, did all those idiots forget the Singapore or Mainland Taiwan situations

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/?

Interesting read, the mine > lab connection looks suspicious.

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/?

Interesting read, the mine > lab connection looks suspicious.

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

Yes, that’s a totally different situation though. This is a concern to all scientists around the world.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Interesting read, the mine > lab connection looks suspicious.

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

Yes, that’s a totally different situation though. This is a concern to all scientists around the world.

so it’s the same

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

Yes, that’s a totally different situation though. This is a concern to all scientists around the world.

so it’s the same

No, why are they the same?

Did you read the article?

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes, that’s a totally different situation though. This is a concern to all scientists around the world.

so it’s the same

No, why are they the same?

Did you read the article?

what are you kidding us, this is Forum, what is reading

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

so it’s the same

No, why are they the same?

Did you read the article?

what are you kidding us, this is Forum, what is reading

Cannabis can make some people think but not others.

Why is this so?

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

15 cases in Vic.

Hope they get it under control shortly.

Do we know how it started yet?

Authorities believe “case one” was actually the fifth case to be confirmed.

The Whittlesea man in his 60s returned a positive result yesterday morning, and later that afternoon four of his family contacts also tested positive (they make up those five cases that were reported on yesterday).

He first displayed symptoms of coronavirus on May 17 and got tested on May 24. He met with a man in his 30s — known as case one in this cluster — on May 18.

This is where health officials believe the virus was passed on from case five to case one.

In the following days, case one passed on the virus to four members of his household, including a pre-school child, a grandfather in his 70s and a woman in her 70s (those four cases were announced on Monday).”

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-coronavirus-/100165480

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

15 cases in Vic.

Hope they get it under control shortly.

Do we know how it started yet?

Authorities believe “case one” was actually the fifth case to be confirmed.

The Whittlesea man in his 60s returned a positive result yesterday morning, and later that afternoon four of his family contacts also tested positive (they make up those five cases that were reported on yesterday).

He first displayed symptoms of coronavirus on May 17 and got tested on May 24. He met with a man in his 30s — known as case one in this cluster — on May 18.

This is where health officials believe the virus was passed on from case five to case one.

In the following days, case one passed on the virus to four members of his household, including a pre-school child, a grandfather in his 70s and a woman in her 70s (those four cases were announced on Monday).”

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-coronavirus-/100165480

I mean, do we know where he got it?

Was he a returned traveler or a hotel security guard, for example?

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

15 cases in Vic.

Hope they get it under control shortly.

Do we know how it started yet?

Authorities believe “case one” was actually the fifth case to be confirmed.

The Whittlesea man in his 60s returned a positive result yesterday morning, and later that afternoon four of his family contacts also tested positive (they make up those five cases that were reported on yesterday).

He first displayed symptoms of coronavirus on May 17 and got tested on May 24. He met with a man in his 30s — known as case one in this cluster — on May 18.

This is where health officials believe the virus was passed on from case five to case one.

In the following days, case one passed on the virus to four members of his household, including a pre-school child, a grandfather in his 70s and a woman in her 70s (those four cases were announced on Monday).”

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-coronavirus-/100165480

so 5th case 1st,after spreading symptomatic infectious for a week

this is genius and maybe people should instead get tested when their symptoms are just starting

just a thought

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Hope they get it under control shortly.

Do we know how it started yet?

Authorities believe “case one” was actually the fifth case to be confirmed.

The Whittlesea man in his 60s returned a positive result yesterday morning, and later that afternoon four of his family contacts also tested positive (they make up those five cases that were reported on yesterday).

He first displayed symptoms of coronavirus on May 17 and got tested on May 24. He met with a man in his 30s — known as case one in this cluster — on May 18.

This is where health officials believe the virus was passed on from case five to case one.

In the following days, case one passed on the virus to four members of his household, including a pre-school child, a grandfather in his 70s and a woman in her 70s (those four cases were announced on Monday).”

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-coronavirus-/100165480

I mean, do we know where he got it?

Was he a returned traveler or a hotel security guard, for example?

“Genomic testing has linked the outbreak to the hotel quarantine breach in South Australia (the Wollert case), but authorities are trying to work out how the Whittlesea man in his 60s (the fifth recorded case, but actually “case one”) contracted the virus in the first place.

All the subsequent cases in this outbreak are linked to each other.”

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Hope they get it under control shortly.

Do we know how it started yet?

Authorities believe “case one” was actually the fifth case to be confirmed.

The Whittlesea man in his 60s returned a positive result yesterday morning, and later that afternoon four of his family contacts also tested positive (they make up those five cases that were reported on yesterday).

He first displayed symptoms of coronavirus on May 17 and got tested on May 24. He met with a man in his 30s — known as case one in this cluster — on May 18.

This is where health officials believe the virus was passed on from case five to case one.

In the following days, case one passed on the virus to four members of his household, including a pre-school child, a grandfather in his 70s and a woman in her 70s (those four cases were announced on Monday).”

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-coronavirus-/100165480

so 5th case 1st,after spreading symptomatic infectious for a week

this is genius and maybe people should instead get tested when their symptoms are just starting

just a thought

There must be an awful lot of people in Melbourne who’ve thought:

“No, it won’t be COVID – it’s just a cold. I won’t bother getting tested.”,

because there’s now so many test happening it’s a 2-3 hour wait to get a test…

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Authorities believe “case one” was actually the fifth case to be confirmed.

The Whittlesea man in his 60s returned a positive result yesterday morning, and later that afternoon four of his family contacts also tested positive (they make up those five cases that were reported on yesterday).

He first displayed symptoms of coronavirus on May 17 and got tested on May 24. He met with a man in his 30s — known as case one in this cluster — on May 18.

This is where health officials believe the virus was passed on from case five to case one.

In the following days, case one passed on the virus to four members of his household, including a pre-school child, a grandfather in his 70s and a woman in her 70s (those four cases were announced on Monday).”

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-coronavirus-/100165480

I mean, do we know where he got it?

Was he a returned traveler or a hotel security guard, for example?

“Genomic testing has linked the outbreak to the hotel quarantine breach in South Australia (the Wollert case), but authorities are trying to work out how the Whittlesea man in his 60s (the fifth recorded case, but actually “case one”) contracted the virus in the first place.

All the subsequent cases in this outbreak are linked to each other.”

At this stage, it appears to be: SA Hotel quarantine breach —-> is Wollert case —-> Unknown link or links —-> Case 5 —-> Case 1, etc.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Authorities believe “case one” was actually the fifth case to be confirmed.

The Whittlesea man in his 60s returned a positive result yesterday morning, and later that afternoon four of his family contacts also tested positive (they make up those five cases that were reported on yesterday).

He first displayed symptoms of coronavirus on May 17 and got tested on May 24. He met with a man in his 30s — known as case one in this cluster — on May 18.

This is where health officials believe the virus was passed on from case five to case one.

In the following days, case one passed on the virus to four members of his household, including a pre-school child, a grandfather in his 70s and a woman in her 70s (those four cases were announced on Monday).”

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-coronavirus-/100165480

I mean, do we know where he got it?

Was he a returned traveler or a hotel security guard, for example?

“Genomic testing has linked the outbreak to the hotel quarantine breach in South Australia (the Wollert case), but authorities are trying to work out how the Whittlesea man in his 60s (the fifth recorded case, but actually “case one”) contracted the virus in the first place.

All the subsequent cases in this outbreak are linked to each other.”

OK. Ta.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I mean, do we know where he got it?

Was he a returned traveler or a hotel security guard, for example?

“Genomic testing has linked the outbreak to the hotel quarantine breach in South Australia (the Wollert case), but authorities are trying to work out how the Whittlesea man in his 60s (the fifth recorded case, but actually “case one”) contracted the virus in the first place.

All the subsequent cases in this outbreak are linked to each other.”

At this stage, it appears to be: SA Hotel quarantine breach —-> is Wollert case —-> Unknown link or links —-> Case 5 —-> Case 1, etc.

It seems there could still be person or persons unknown out in the community carrying and spreading Covid…

:(

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

“Genomic testing has linked the outbreak to the hotel quarantine breach in South Australia (the Wollert case), but authorities are trying to work out how the Whittlesea man in his 60s (the fifth recorded case, but actually “case one”) contracted the virus in the first place.

All the subsequent cases in this outbreak are linked to each other.”

At this stage, it appears to be: SA Hotel quarantine breach —-> is Wollert case —-> Unknown link or links —-> Case 5 —-> Case 1, etc.

It seems there could still be person or persons unknown out in the community carrying and spreading Covid…

:(

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

At this stage, it appears to be: SA Hotel quarantine breach —-> is Wollert case —-> Unknown link or links —-> Case 5 —-> Case 1, etc.

It seems there could still be person or persons unknown out in the community carrying and spreading Covid…

:(

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

It seems there could still be person or persons unknown out in the community carrying and spreading Covid…

:(

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

The advice in Victoria has always been to get tested with any sign of a cold.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

It seems there could still be person or persons unknown out in the community carrying and spreading Covid…

:(

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

No excuse.

“Any symptoms, no matter how mild” is the COVID-testing mantra.

Not “I have some symptoms, but it’s not likely to be COVID, so I won’t bother getting tested”. I mean, it’s not difficult nor time consuming normally to get a test. And it’s free – no cost.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

The advice in Victoria has always been to get tested with any sign of a cold.

shrug remember that these days now that we’ve eliminated influenza which kills young and old alike

“your run of the mill illness” is COVID-19 until proven otherwise shrug

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

The advice in Victoria has always been to get tested with any sign of a cold.

shrug remember that these days now that we’ve eliminated influenza which kills young and old alike

“your run of the mill illness” is COVID-19 until proven otherwise shrug

Yep.

Ancient Egyptians mummified millions of birds. Where did they get them?

Sacred ibises were sacrificed on an industrial scale—and new research may help us understand what led to the birds’ disappearance from the marshes of the Nile.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/egyptians-mummified-millions-ibis-birds-how

maybe instead of mill run “JobKeeper” junk they should fund industries that have lots of interpersonal contact a “Canary Bonus” for regular staff testing

GRUBBS SMC PASSENGER CAR – HORSE TRAMWAY, WESTERN TASMANIA. C.1900
Grubb’s Tramway was a more than 6.4 kilometre long horse-drawn light railway in Western Tasmania. It was opened in 1891 from Zeehan to Summit and the Colonel North Mine. It became the Colonel North Tramway in 1899 and closed in 1927. Three times a day, a “Goods Truck” carrying passengers ran every day (Sundays excepted). The uphill journey lasted at least 90 min or more. The return journey from the hill summit to Zeehan, a distance of 3.46 kilometres, was accomplished in six minutes.
“On Friday, 23 October 1891 a large gathering assembled, in response to the invitation of the Grubb S.M. Co., for the purpose of celebrating the opening of the Grubb Tram Line, and the starting of the new machinery at the mine. The first car left the junction of the Henty line and the Zeehan Main Street shortly after 10 a.m., and another car left about noon…
… Arriving at the end of the journey, Mr W. C. Grubb, the legal manager, and Mr Woolcock, showed the visitors over the company’s ground, and the new machinery was also open for inspection. The engine is a 20 h.p. double cylinder, and is at present used for the winding drums. At 2 p.m. all assembled in the engine house, about one hundred persons being present, and the engine being set in motion. Sir W. C. Grubb broke the orthodox bottle of Champagne over it…” https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/84678916

sarahs mum said:

GRUBBS SMC PASSENGER CAR – HORSE TRAMWAY, WESTERN TASMANIA. C.1900
Grubb’s Tramway was a more than 6.4 kilometre long horse-drawn light railway in Western Tasmania. It was opened in 1891 from Zeehan to Summit and the Colonel North Mine. It became the Colonel North Tramway in 1899 and closed in 1927. Three times a day, a “Goods Truck” carrying passengers ran every day (Sundays excepted). The uphill journey lasted at least 90 min or more. The return journey from the hill summit to Zeehan, a distance of 3.46 kilometres, was accomplished in six minutes.
“On Friday, 23 October 1891 a large gathering assembled, in response to the invitation of the Grubb S.M. Co., for the purpose of celebrating the opening of the Grubb Tram Line, and the starting of the new machinery at the mine. The first car left the junction of the Henty line and the Zeehan Main Street shortly after 10 a.m., and another car left about noon…
… Arriving at the end of the journey, Mr W. C. Grubb, the legal manager, and Mr Woolcock, showed the visitors over the company’s ground, and the new machinery was also open for inspection. The engine is a 20 h.p. double cylinder, and is at present used for the winding drums. At 2 p.m. all assembled in the engine house, about one hundred persons being present, and the engine being set in motion. Sir W. C. Grubb broke the orthodox bottle of Champagne over it…” https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/84678916

wrong fred sorry.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

It seems there could still be person or persons unknown out in the community carrying and spreading Covid…

:(

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

It’s possible a few aching muscles or a couple of sneezes in the presence of someone wearing too much perfume are usual. Without knowing what the symptoms were, you shouldn’t point the finger. It may have been symptoms in hindsight.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

It’s possible a few aching muscles or a couple of sneezes in the presence of someone wearing too much perfume are usual. Without knowing what the symptoms were, you shouldn’t point the finger. It may have been symptoms in hindsight.

Fair call.

https://www.sciencealert.com/weird-discovery-shows-supertasters-could-be-better-at-fighting-off-sars-cov-2

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

the glorious Australia, always leading, never following

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Yes. (Possibly asymptomatic.)

And it doesn’t help that somebody with symptoms doesn’t bother with testing for 7 days. Grrrrrrr.

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

It’s possible a few aching muscles or a couple of sneezes in the presence of someone wearing too much perfume are usual. Without knowing what the symptoms were, you shouldn’t point the finger. It may have been symptoms in hindsight.

True, if we ever get tested again they’re going to be tracing the whole fucking astronomical habitable zone, because we’ve had aches and coughs and sneezes and delirium for the entire bloody year.

Oh, it’s not actual symptomatic unless it’s different or new or changed ¿ Uh yeah all right in that case probably more than the hind yeah.

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

the glorious Australia, always leading, never following

Well, the last time Australia was prominent in calling for something that China felt had the potential to cause it some small embarrassment, China took a few kicks at its head.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

Pissed
1. to be extremely angry. (American English)

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Perhaps they thought it was just your run of the mill illness until it got worse

It’s possible a few aching muscles or a couple of sneezes in the presence of someone wearing too much perfume are usual. Without knowing what the symptoms were, you shouldn’t point the finger. It may have been symptoms in hindsight.

True, if we ever get tested again they’re going to be tracing the whole fucking astronomical habitable zone, because we’ve had aches and coughs and sneezes and delirium for the entire bloody year.

Oh, it’s not actual symptomatic unless it’s different or new or changed ¿ Uh yeah all right in that case probably more than the hind yeah.

I was thinking I pretty much always feel unwell, cold type symptoms don’t have Covid though or a fever but it I said that I couldn’t do a lot of things

Aw, TGA have fined Pete Evans another $80000 for his bullshit

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

Pissed
1. to be extremely angry. (American English)

Yes, that’s right:

‘furious’.

China is always ‘furious’.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

Pissed
1. to be extremely angry. (American English)

China angry you call as out by telling the truth, you insult our honour, which changes depending on how we feel and isn’t actually honourable at all

dv said:

Aw, TGA have fined Pete Evans another $80000 for his bullshit

I wish he’d get a endorsement deal with a razor manufacturer.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

the glorious Australia, always leading, never following

Well, the last time Australia was prominent in calling for something that China felt had the potential to cause it some small embarrassment, China took a few kicks at its head.

and our standing in the world was better for it though

but yeah we still maintain that it’s possible that SARS-CoV-2 leaked out of a laboratory, it’s not like people never steal isotopes from nuclear power plants or whatever, but

it’s still the case that the exercise is a diversion from the actual issue at hand which is that the above groups fucked up their pandemic preparedness and response

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/?

Interesting read, the mine > lab connection looks suspicious.

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

In May 2020, the World Health Assembly requested that the World Health Organization (WHO) director-general work closely with partners to determine the origins of SARS-CoV-2 (2). In November, the Terms of Reference for a China–WHO joint study were released (3). The information, data, and samples for the study’s first phase were collected and summarized by the Chinese half of the team; the rest of the team built on this analysis. Although there were no findings in clear support of either a natural spillover or a lab accident, the team assessed a zoonotic spillover from an intermediate host as “likely to very likely,” and a laboratory incident as “extremely unlikely” . Furthermore, the two theories were not given balanced consideration. Only 4 of the 313 pages of the report and its annexes addressed the possibility of a laboratory accident (4). Notably, WHO Director-General Tedros Ghebreyesus commented that the report’s consideration of evidence supporting a laboratory accident was insufficient and offered to provide additional resources to fully evaluate the possibility (5).

As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Aw, TGA have fined Pete Evans another $80000 for his bullshit

I wish he’d get a endorsement deal with a razor manufacturer.

yeah seemed lenient

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

Pissed
1. to be extremely angry. (American English)

China angry you call as out by telling the truth, you insult our honour, which changes depending on how we feel and isn’t actually honourable at all

There’s a bit of the Asian attitude of not losing face. Even if you are 100% wrong you can’t admit to it openly, it was be done in a very roundabout way.

I agree that it was good to see Australia in the front of calling for an investigation last time, even if costs were involved.

But, most of the rest of he world sat by and waited to see how China would treat us.

Keeping shtum was best, they decided.

So, if someone else wants to go first this time, there’s no shame in letting them.

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Aw, TGA have fined Pete Evans another $80000 for his bullshit

I wish he’d get a endorsement deal with a razor manufacturer.

yeah seemed lenient

I just want proof that the dickhead knows how to shave.

dv said:

Aw, TGA have fined Pete Evans another $80000 for his bullshit

They need to fine him more…his whole worth.

Fixed.

captain_spalding said:

I agree that it was good to see Australia in the front of calling for an investigation last time, even if costs were involved.

But, most of the rest of he world sat by and waited to see how China would treat us.

Keeping shtum was best, they decided.

So, if someone else wants to go first this time, there’s no shame in letting them.

What would be good would be everything we export to China that’s been stopped by them, finds another market and then when China misses what we sell we say sorry

Cymek said:

What would be good would be everything we export to China that’s been stopped by them, finds another market and then when China misses what we sell we say sorry

We might not say ‘sorry’.

It’s been a harsh but salutary lesson to exporters that while China may be a profitable market, it’s also a very unpredictable and unreliable market.

The wisdom of not putting all of your eggs into the one basket has been reinforced.

If/when China says ‘ok, you can sell us your stuff again’, some suppliers may think twice. They may prefer to put other customers ahead of China. China may find it not quite as easy to buy from Australia, or as cheap as it once was.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

What would be good would be everything we export to China that’s been stopped by them, finds another market and then when China misses what we sell we say sorry

We might not say ‘sorry’.

It’s been a harsh but salutary lesson to exporters that while China may be a profitable market, it’s also a very unpredictable and unreliable market.

The wisdom of not putting all of your eggs into the one basket has been reinforced.

If/when China says ‘ok, you can sell us your stuff again’, some suppliers may think twice. They may prefer to put other customers ahead of China. China may find it not quite as easy to buy from Australia, or as cheap as it once was.

The sorry part was sarcastic but yes I agree with what you said

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

What would be good would be everything we export to China that’s been stopped by them, finds another market and then when China misses what we sell we say sorry

We might not say ‘sorry’.

It’s been a harsh but salutary lesson to exporters that while China may be a profitable market, it’s also a very unpredictable and unreliable market.

The wisdom of not putting all of your eggs into the one basket has been reinforced.

If/when China says ‘ok, you can sell us your stuff again’, some suppliers may think twice. They may prefer to put other customers ahead of China. China may find it not quite as easy to buy from Australia, or as cheap as it once was.

The sorry part was sarcastic but yes I agree with what you said

Sorry, my sarcasm detector is out getting a new litotes sensor installed.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

I agree that it was good to see Australia in the front of calling for an investigation last time, even if costs were involved.

But, most of the rest of he world sat by and waited to see how China would treat us.

Keeping shtum was best, they decided.

So, if someone else wants to go first this time, there’s no shame in letting them.

What would be good would be everything we export to China that’s been stopped by them, finds another market and then when China misses what we sell we say sorry

What will happen is that the price will be bid up, and we’ll sell to the highest bidder wherever they are.

party_pants said:

What will happen is that the price will be bid up, and we’ll sell to the highest bidder wherever they are.

True. But exporters will have learnt to not entirely ignore other customers in favour of China.

Always good to have Plan ‘B’.

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Interesting read, the mine > lab connection looks suspicious.

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

also seems unlikely that covert operatives breaching foreign laboratories are going to be upfront about their activities right

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

What will happen is that the price will be bid up, and we’ll sell to the highest bidder wherever they are.

True. But exporters will have learnt to not entirely ignore other customers in favour of China.

Always good to have Plan ‘B’.

A lot of Australia’s exports are in the hands of profit-maximising multi-national corporations.

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

also seems unlikely that covert operatives breaching foreign laboratories are going to be upfront about their activities right

Small but important difference:

Trump not releasing his taxes didn’t result in the death of millions of people.

captain_spalding said:

Small but important difference:

Trump not releasing his taxes didn’t result in the death of millions of people.

I meant ‘relate to the deaths…’

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘WHO members, including Australia, call for fresh probe into COVID origin
Australia joins the United States, Great Britain, Japan and the European Union in calling for more information about how COVID-19 began passing between humans. ‘

And China is going to be….?

Pissed
1. to be extremely angry. (American English)

Yes, that’s right:

‘furious’.

China is always ‘furious’.

How would you feel if some pommy sailor got you addicted to heroin?

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

also seems unlikely that covert operatives breaching foreign laboratories are going to be upfront about their activities right

Call in the A team

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Pissed
1. to be extremely angry. (American English)

Yes, that’s right:

‘furious’.

China is always ‘furious’.

How would you feel if some pommy sailor got you addicted to heroin?

Wasn’t it opium?

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Pissed
1. to be extremely angry. (American English)

Yes, that’s right:

‘furious’.

China is always ‘furious’.

How would you feel if some pommy sailor got you addicted to heroin?

I don’t suppose they are any worse than previous world dominant powers, they have all been pretty terrible to everyone except the rich

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, that’s right:

‘furious’.

China is always ‘furious’.

How would you feel if some pommy sailor got you addicted to heroin?

Wasn’t it opium?

Mere details. Call it poetic license.

Cymek said:

I don’t suppose they are any worse than previous world dominant powers, they have all been pretty terrible to everyone except the rich

So, pointing to the history of other nations’ bad behaviour is a reasonable justification for your country doing the sort of thing that it condemns from that history?

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

Small but important difference:

Trump not releasing his taxes didn’t result in the death of millions of people.

I meant ‘relate to the deaths…’

maybe but “secure” facilities are breached all the time and people only get lucky sometimes

also

if those tax records transpired, and the president were no longer eligible, and a half decent president were in instead, then it could have been different

actually yeah that’s only 500000 deaths fair point

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

How would you feel if some pommy sailor got you addicted to heroin?

Wasn’t it opium?

Mere details. Call it poetic license.

‘How would you feel if some pommy sailor got you addicted to poetic license?’

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I don’t suppose they are any worse than previous world dominant powers, they have all been pretty terrible to everyone except the rich

So, pointing to the history of other nations’ bad behaviour is a reasonable justification for your country doing the sort of thing that it condemns from that history?

we agree that unacceptable behaviour is unacceptable but what it does do is validly rebuff some of the moral superiority

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

Small but important difference:

Trump not releasing his taxes didn’t result in the death of millions of people.

I meant ‘relate to the deaths…’

maybe but “secure” facilities are breached all the time and people only get lucky sometimes

also

if those tax records transpired, and the president were no longer eligible, and a half decent president were in instead, then it could have been different

actually yeah that’s only 500000 deaths fair point

3.5 million deaths worldwide.

So far.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I don’t suppose they are any worse than previous world dominant powers, they have all been pretty terrible to everyone except the rich

So, pointing to the history of other nations’ bad behaviour is a reasonable justification for your country doing the sort of thing that it condemns from that history?

No more that it proves every empire becomes what is most likely originally fought against and/or becomes corrupt.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Wasn’t it opium?

Mere details. Call it poetic license.

‘How would you feel if some pommy sailor got you addicted to poetic license?’

we think in literary circles it’s more like “How would you feel if some poetic license got you addicted to heroin / opium?” and also isn’t heroin basically opium anyway

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I don’t suppose they are any worse than previous world dominant powers, they have all been pretty terrible to everyone except the rich

So, pointing to the history of other nations’ bad behaviour is a reasonable justification for your country doing the sort of thing that it condemns from that history?

No more that it proves every empire becomes what is most likely originally fought against and/or becomes corrupt.

Also perhaps those that want to lead shouldn’t as the desire to do so means you are likely to justify any means to gain and hold onto that power.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

I meant ‘relate to the deaths…’

maybe but “secure” facilities are breached all the time and people only get lucky sometimes

also

if those tax records transpired, and the president were no longer eligible, and a half decent president were in instead, then it could have been different

actually yeah that’s only 500000 deaths fair point

3.5 million deaths worldwide.

So far.

well here we never thought we’d be defending the arsehole but surely you can’t blame Trump for all of that

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

also seems unlikely that covert operatives breaching foreign laboratories are going to be upfront about their activities right

Seems to be other ways to get the required data without waiting for a ‘release’…

“The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization, including detailed information from his first two years in office.”

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

So, pointing to the history of other nations’ bad behaviour is a reasonable justification for your country doing the sort of thing that it condemns from that history?

No more that it proves every empire becomes what is most likely originally fought against and/or becomes corrupt.

Also perhaps those that want to lead shouldn’t as the desire to do so means you are likely to justify any means to gain and hold onto that power.

maybe one day in the future an enlightened society can be guided by STEM considérations rather than by the egos and greed of fucking pricks

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe but “secure” facilities are breached all the time and people only get lucky sometimes

also

if those tax records transpired, and the president were no longer eligible, and a half decent president were in instead, then it could have been different

actually yeah that’s only 500000 deaths fair point

3.5 million deaths worldwide.

So far.

well here we never thought we’d be defending the arsehole but surely you can’t blame Trump for all of that

No its interesting to note the dominant powers pretty much showed they aren’t capable of managing a crisis, hubris perhaps combined with idiots in charge and a significant portion of the population selfish and/or stupid/ignorant

SCIENCE said:

well here we never thought we’d be defending the arsehole but surely you can’t blame Trump for all of that

I didn’t think i was.

I thought i was pointing out that saying, oh well, you can’t expect the lab to release their coronavirus records if Trump won’t release his tax records’ is rather a non sequitir.

There is no link or equivalence to them.

One is a matter of interest to the world as a whole, about where a widespread deadly disease responsible for millions of deaths might have come from.

The other is about whether one ratbag American might suffer some embarrassment.

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

also seems unlikely that covert operatives breaching foreign laboratories are going to be upfront about their activities right

Seems to be other ways to get the required data without waiting for a ‘release’…

“The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization, including detailed information from his first two years in office.”

shrug so yeah we agree that when the time is right and when there is a collaborative atmosphere then it’s likely that scientists will share information shrug

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

No more that it proves every empire becomes what is most likely originally fought against and/or becomes corrupt.

Also perhaps those that want to lead shouldn’t as the desire to do so means you are likely to justify any means to gain and hold onto that power.

maybe one day in the future an enlightened society can be guided by STEM considérations rather than by the egos and greed of fucking pricks

Hopefully certainly possible

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

3.5 million deaths worldwide.

So far.

well here we never thought we’d be defending the arsehole but surely you can’t blame Trump for all of that

No its interesting to note the dominant powers pretty much showed they aren’t capable of managing a crisis, hubris perhaps combined with idiots in charge and a significant portion of the population selfish and/or stupid/ignorant

wait are you saying that CHINA really shouldn’t have let things get out of hand at the markets but then after a couple of months when all the ASIANS were locked down and masking up then other people who weren’t serious about stopping the problem actually need to take responsibility for their failure

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Also perhaps those that want to lead shouldn’t as the desire to do so means you are likely to justify any means to gain and hold onto that power.

maybe one day in the future an enlightened society can be guided by STEM considérations rather than by the egos and greed of fucking pricks

Hopefully certainly possible

I eagerly await metric time.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

well here we never thought we’d be defending the arsehole but surely you can’t blame Trump for all of that

No its interesting to note the dominant powers pretty much showed they aren’t capable of managing a crisis, hubris perhaps combined with idiots in charge and a significant portion of the population selfish and/or stupid/ignorant

wait are you saying that CHINA really shouldn’t have let things get out of hand at the markets but then after a couple of months when all the ASIANS were locked down and masking up then other people who weren’t serious about stopping the problem actually need to take responsibility for their failure

Yes, once its in your nation blaming is irrelevant, time for action
I wonder if it’s origins were elsewhere would it have spread worldwide, I reckon so, economics over human life

I’m sitting in an office, long sleeved shirt on and something bit me on my forearm were did it come from

Cymek said:

I’m sitting in an office, long sleeved shirt on and something bit me on my forearm were did it come from

If it had stripes, it could have been a tiger, and they come from India.

Or a zebra. Africa.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I’m sitting in an office, long sleeved shirt on and something bit me on my forearm were did it come from

If it had stripes, it could have been a tiger, and they come from India.

Or a zebra. Africa.

I looked under the desk and didn’t see one

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I’m sitting in an office, long sleeved shirt on and something bit me on my forearm were did it come from

If it had stripes, it could have been a tiger, and they come from India.

Or a zebra. Africa.

I looked under the desk and didn’t see one

Perhaps it was a panther.

You wouldn’t see one of those in the dark under the desk.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

If it had stripes, it could have been a tiger, and they come from India.

Or a zebra. Africa.

I looked under the desk and didn’t see one

Perhaps it was a panther.

You wouldn’t see one of those in the dark under the desk.

True

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I looked under the desk and didn’t see one

Perhaps it was a panther.

You wouldn’t see one of those in the dark under the desk.

True

Tell a joke and see if it smiles?

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I looked under the desk and didn’t see one

Perhaps it was a panther.

You wouldn’t see one of those in the dark under the desk.

True

Tell you what, tie a live goat to a stake next to your desk tonight.

If it’s gone in the morning, then it’s definite: you’ve got panthers.

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

remember how they found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they brought some in with them

take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

also seems unlikely that covert operatives breaching foreign laboratories are going to be upfront about their activities right

:)

Not enough people have the covid ap on their phones in India., or not enough people in India have phones.

Peak Warming Man said:

Not enough people have the covid ap on their phones in India., or not enough people in India have phones.

They’re managing to catch it well enough whilst apless.

Ian said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Not enough people have the covid ap on their phones in India., or not enough people in India have phones.

They’re managing to catch it well enough whilst apless.

It faded away like an old soldier.

Ian said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Not enough people have the covid ap on their phones in India., or not enough people in India have phones.

They’re managing to catch it well enough whilst apless.

‘apless lot.

:(

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Not enough people have the covid ap on their phones in India., or not enough people in India have phones.

They’re managing to catch it well enough whilst apless.

‘apless lot.

:(

:)

Don’t go to Paraguay.

• 2nd worst in the world on the scale of deaths per population.
• Rising rapidly through the ranks.
• Back on the 14-Apr-2021 it was only 13th worst.
• And the mortality rate of the dominant strain is getting deadlier.

Daily deaths.

Daily cases.

What’s America done to fall so quickly?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s America done to fall so quickly?

Mass vaccination, probably.

poikilotherm said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s America done to fall so quickly?

Mass vaccination, probably.

Shows something is working falling from 1 to 55

Melbourne COVID-19 outbreak grows as Victoria records six new local cases

Victoria, Australia’s Covid state.

Tracking the worst countries to get stuck in during 3rd wave covid.

Eastern Europe is getting better. South America is looking worst.

In addition to these 10 countries, three small countries are looking very sick: Curacao, Bermuda, and San Marino.

(PS. Flu-like diseases in Australia are up by a factor of 3 on what they were this time last year.)

Are some foods super bitter to you? You might have lower COVID risk

anyway while we were all CHINA CHINA CHINA totally not a diversion

https://www.wsj.com/articles/france-suspects-russian-role-in-campaign-to-discredit-pfizer-vaccine-11621978289

Several French bloggers said they received emails offering to pay for social-media videos criticizing the Covid-19 vaccine

Western officials have said these operations are an attempt by the Kremlin to undermine public confidence in Western institutions.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are some foods super bitter to you? You might have lower COVID risk

What’s more, supertasters in a new study experienced COVID-19 symptoms for only about five days, compared with an average 23 days among non-tasters.

Verdy Interesting.

SCIENCE said:

anyway while we were all CHINA CHINA CHINA totally not a diversion

https://www.wsj.com/articles/france-suspects-russian-role-in-campaign-to-discredit-pfizer-vaccine-11621978289

Several French bloggers said they received emails offering to pay for social-media videos criticizing the Covid-19 vaccine

Western officials have said these operations are an attempt by the Kremlin to undermine public confidence in Western institutions.

must’v’ learnt it from CHINA though

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210428-eu-slams-manipulation-of-vaccine-info-by-china-russia

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway while we were all CHINA CHINA CHINA totally not a diversion

https://www.wsj.com/articles/france-suspects-russian-role-in-campaign-to-discredit-pfizer-vaccine-11621978289

Several French bloggers said they received emails offering to pay for social-media videos criticizing the Covid-19 vaccine

Western officials have said these operations are an attempt by the Kremlin to undermine public confidence in Western institutions.

must’v’ learnt it from CHINA though

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210428-eu-slams-manipulation-of-vaccine-info-by-china-russia

I heard it escaped from a lab.

Don’t tell anyone though.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are some foods super bitter to you? You might have lower COVID risk

What’s more, supertasters in a new study experienced COVID-19 symptoms for only about five days, compared with an average 23 days among non-tasters.

Verdy Interesting.

Bitter taste receptors—including one called T2R38—are found in the taste buds of your tongue.

“When T2R38 is stimulated, it responds by producing nitric oxide to help kill or prevent further replication of viruses in the respiratory mucosa,” said researcher Dr. Henry Barham, an ear, nose, and throat specialist in Baton Rouge, La. These mucus membranes line your respiratory system and provide a point of entry for viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are some foods super bitter to you? You might have lower COVID risk

What’s more, supertasters in a new study experienced COVID-19 symptoms for only about five days, compared with an average 23 days among non-tasters.

Verdy Interesting.

Bitter taste receptors—including one called T2R38—are found in the taste buds of your tongue.

“When T2R38 is stimulated, it responds by producing nitric oxide to help kill or prevent further replication of viruses in the respiratory mucosa,” said researcher Dr. Henry Barham, an ear, nose, and throat specialist in Baton Rouge, La. These mucus membranes line your respiratory system and provide a point of entry for viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.

I bet there will be more research in this area.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s more, supertasters in a new study experienced COVID-19 symptoms for only about five days, compared with an average 23 days among non-tasters.

Verdy Interesting.

Bitter taste receptors—including one called T2R38—are found in the taste buds of your tongue.

“When T2R38 is stimulated, it responds by producing nitric oxide to help kill or prevent further replication of viruses in the respiratory mucosa,” said researcher Dr. Henry Barham, an ear, nose, and throat specialist in Baton Rouge, La. These mucus membranes line your respiratory system and provide a point of entry for viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.

I bet there will be more research in this area.

More from the article

Dr. Alan Hirsch, neurological director of the Smell & Taste Treatment and Research Foundation in Chicago, has spent his career studying the effects of lost smell and taste on disease. He reviewed the study results.

“The new findings make a lot of sense,” he said. Hirsch suggested that folks would benefit from finding out their own tasting status.

“If you are unable to taste bitterness, you should be that much more careful and wear masks for a longer duration to protect yourself from COVID-19,” Hirsch said. Unfortunately, he added, most people don’t know which type of taster they are.

Home- and office-based tests can tell you where you fit on the taste spectrum.

But here’s an easier option: “If celery tastes bitter to you,” Hirsch said, “you’re a supertaster, and if it doesn’t, be careful.”

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

well here we never thought we’d be defending the arsehole but surely you can’t blame Trump for all of that

I didn’t think i was.

I thought i was pointing out that saying, oh well, you can’t expect the lab to release their coronavirus records if Trump won’t release his tax records’ is rather a non sequitir.

There is no link or equivalence to them.

One is a matter of interest to the world as a whole, about where a widespread deadly disease responsible for millions of deaths might have come from.

The other is about whether one ratbag American might suffer some embarrassment.

I heard it escaped from a lab.

Don’t tell anyone though.

it’s possible, as mentioned by some genius before, it has happened before, and pandemics have happened before (even before laboratories existed)

however

(and these are not intended as retorts nor criticisms, but points of consideration)

(1) We would certainly be interested to know if there was some laboratory leak, accidental or otherwise. Don’t get us wrong, this is interesting stuff. As to being any more than academic interest, though…

(2) If it was indeed a laboratory leak then that is definitely more than academic, because either way (accidental or otherwise) there are lessons in securing such facilities: against accidents, against rogue operators, against infiltrations, and so forth. Cast a wide net, take a dip in the Stux, that kind of thing — but you’d better be careful pushing too hard for an investigation because if you dig deep enough you might find a finger pointing back at oh who knows, obviously it’s idiotic to store 3000 tonnes of agricultural product in the middle of a city but wonder how it went up in flames¿

(3) Regardless of laboratory entertainment, unless we are as sure as Pete Evans that CHINA engineered all those other ASIAN and avian and swine ‘flu’s, then the major preventative steps we need to take are still going to be minimising the risk of zoonosis occurring in the wild / domestic setting. Pinning the laboratory assistant or the undergraduate honours student for this is not really relevant.

(4) Yes we know it’s over a year down the track and the chance of getting to the bottom of this by ground investigation is lower than the rate of unusual clots from ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine. Which means it’s all going to be based on information sharing and convenient record leaks, but then at least for the sharing bit, our point previously on getting people on side stands.

(5) C’m‘on at the bottom of it is that some entity refuses to release some records. It’s the same thing, and the reasoning will be similar. Neither entity wants to suffer embarrassment, but there’s a little more at stake in both cases. It’s not any one USAole, it’s the one that represents all, or at least half of them. What if it were proven to be criminal, might that have affected eligibility to be the representative¿ Anyway, it’s not going to change the fact that Biden is president, similar to how it won’t fix the idiocy of practically everyone else in the world fucking up their pandemic response.

we don’t often put the direct links to these comment hotlines but for those who are in a padded room and have ensured they have no immediate access to hazardous implements / devices / substances of any kind

https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1397438761147899904

even The Speaker has had enough

SCIENCE said:

we don’t often put the direct links to these comment hotlines but for those who are in a padded room and have ensured they have no immediate access to hazardous implements / devices / substances of any kind

https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1397438761147899904

even The Speaker has had enough

Who are the people sitting in the front of the speaker?

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

we don’t often put the direct links to these comment hotlines but for those who are in a padded room and have ensured they have no immediate access to hazardous implements / devices / substances of any kind

https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1397438761147899904

even The Speaker has had enough

Who are the people sitting in the front of the speaker?

In front of the Speaker’s chair are the clerks who advise the Speaker and Members on procedural matters. The Clerk of the House usually sits in this chair and the Clerk Assistant there.

=google.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

we don’t often put the direct links to these comment hotlines but for those who are in a padded room and have ensured they have no immediate access to hazardous implements / devices / substances of any kind

https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1397438761147899904

even The Speaker has had enough

Who are the people sitting in the front of the speaker?

In front of the Speaker’s chair are the clerks who advise the Speaker and Members on procedural matters. The Clerk of the House usually sits in this chair and the Clerk Assistant there.

=google.

Legal people.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Who are the people sitting in the front of the speaker?

In front of the Speaker’s chair are the clerks who advise the Speaker and Members on procedural matters. The Clerk of the House usually sits in this chair and the Clerk Assistant there.

=google.

Legal people.

I feel sorry for them having to listen to it all.

Interesting Shit

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-26/dominic-cummings-fronts-parliamentary-inquiry-brexit-covid-19/100168426

Britain has the world’s fifth-fastest vaccination program, based on shots per 100 people, behind the United Arab Emirates, Israel, Bahrain and Chile.

we heard about some of these places

AE:

CL:

BH:

hmm not looking too clever there

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/19/uae-bahrain-offer-third-sinopharm-shots-amid-vaccine-efficacy-worries.html

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — The United Arab Emirates and Bahrain are offering a booster shot of the Chinese-developed Sinopharm vaccine to residents and citizens who have already had two doses, the countries’ medical authorities said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccine-bahrain-int-idUSKBN2BH1FF

Bahrain offers citizens and residents four vaccines free of charge: the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, one manufactured by China’s Sinopharm, the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, and Russia’s Sputnik V. Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine has also been approved for emergency use.

—

see ol’ friend Marketing ain’t looking too bad after all

Also the friendly media like to talk smack about Singapore

but here are the real scary bits (probably West Taiwan exporting death to Mainland Taiwan and East French IndoCHINA respectively).

Australia for comparison (hopefully like Singapore the complacency won’t cost us).

Don’t forget to casually blame some over-50-year-old anti-ChAdOx1-nCoV-19-vaxxers hesitators who don’t want to die of unusual clots (and selfishly want to live to see their children or grandchildren another day) on your way out to the large public gathering tomorrow, instead of the genius execution of the vaccination and quarantine programmes.

#covid #lockdown #victorian
Meanwhile In Australia PART 19 🤯

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8zlLBlHOSM

More than half of adults in US vaccinated as COVID-19 cases fall
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/more-than-half-of-adults-in-us-vaccinated-as-covid-19-cases-fall-20210526-p57v5j.html

Washington: More than half of all adults in the United States have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, the White House said on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST), roughly six weeks before US President Joe Biden’s July 4 goal of 70 per cent of the adult population receiving at least one shot.

https://www.instagram.com/swabdogsofinsta/

Ah, you have to login for Instagram…I got partway down the pictures and couldn’t go further. Scroll quickly! I linked in from here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-27/meet-the-covid-swab-dogs-of-melbourne/100168162

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

SCIENCE said:

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

the clots will kill us all yet!

SCIENCE said:

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

I think for the period of the vaccine rollout it’s necessary to forcefully imagine there is no vaccine, keep the pressure on the deployment of other prophylactics, improvements of the latter

of course there are forces that consider the full vaccine rollout to then be opportunity to relax the others, but really that’s dodgy crystal ball stuff

I note that https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/exposure-sites

Now lists 79 exposure sites in Victoria. Most in Melbourne north, ten or so in Melbourne city.
And a few in other places: south of the city in Parkdale and Mordialloc, and Bendigo.

Going to be interesting if all of Vic goes into lockdown and people start looking to be tested here. There is only one testing place in Hamilton. Open 10.00am to 12noon daily. Next nearest is Warrnambool (100km).

JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

the clots will kill us all yet!

explain to us again why they recommend against clot injections for under-50-year-olds, and can still whinge about the slow pace of vaccination, or have we missed something and have all 18-to-50-year-olds received their Microsoft-Radiowave-Nazi-Autism vaccines as of yesterday

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

the clots will kill us all yet!

explain to us again why they recommend against clot injections for under-50-year-olds, and can still whinge about the slow pace of vaccination, or have we missed something and have all 18-to-50-year-olds received their Microsoft-Radiowave-Nazi-Autism vaccines as of yesterday

‘Tis easy to explain. The risk of clots from AstraZeneca is negligible compared to age-related clots for over 50s, and significant relative to age-related clots for under 50s.

I started watching a Borat series on him being in lockdown with two conspiracy theorists rednecks, they cover Covid

The second part is titled “Borat’s American Lockdown”, and is billed as a “40-minute reality show”, focusing on the sequence in Subsequent Moviefilm when Cohen finds himself locked down with two conspiracy theorists while refusing to break character.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

the clots will kill us all yet!

explain to us again why they recommend against clot injections for under-50-year-olds, and can still whinge about the slow pace of vaccination, or have we missed something and have all 18-to-50-year-olds received their Microsoft-Radiowave-Nazi-Autism vaccines as of yesterday

‘Tis easy to explain. The risk of clots from AstraZeneca is negligible compared to age-related clots for over 50s, and significant relative to age-related clots for under 50s.

so when COVID-19 high transmissibility variants burst into the general population and start spreading among the 1/6 of the population who are under 18 years of age, causing not death but MISC and other chronic illness, not preventable by vaccines that aren’t given to that population, what do you recommend

Victorian press conference just starting now.

buffy said:

Victorian press conference just starting now.

I hope you’re wearing a mask.

;)

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

explain to us again why they recommend against clot injections for under-50-year-olds, and can still whinge about the slow pace of vaccination, or have we missed something and have all 18-to-50-year-olds received their Microsoft-Radiowave-Nazi-Autism vaccines as of yesterday

‘Tis easy to explain. The risk of clots from AstraZeneca is negligible compared to age-related clots for over 50s, and significant relative to age-related clots for under 50s.

so when COVID-19 high transmissibility variants burst into the general population and start spreading among the 1/6 of the population who are under 18 years of age, causing not death but MISC and other chronic illness, not preventable by vaccines that aren’t given to that population, what do you recommend

I don’t care about high-transmissibility variants. I care about high mortality variants.
Paraguay has a high mortality variant.
I recommend giving vaccines to those who meet face to face with the greatest number of strangers, such as retail. That’s the most effective at limiting spread.

7 day lockdown for you vic loosers.

poikilotherm said:

7 day lockdown for you vic loosers.

Statewide?

Bubblecar said:

poikilotherm said:

7 day lockdown for you vic loosers.

Statewide?

From 11.59pm tonight all of Victoria will move into lockdown restrictions, with just five reasons to leave home.

poikilotherm said:

7 day lockdown for you vic loosers.

What about the Vic winners and neutrals?

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

’Tis easy to explain. The risk of clots from AstraZeneca is negligible compared to age-related clots for over 50s, and significant relative to age-related clots for under 50s.

so when COVID-19 high transmissibility variants burst into the general population and start spreading among the 1/6 of the population who are under 18 years of age, causing not death but MISC and other chronic illness, not preventable by vaccines that aren’t given to that population, what do you recommend

I don’t care about high-transmissibility variants. I care about high mortality variants.
Paraguay has a high mortality variant.
I recommend giving vaccines to those who meet face to face with the greatest number of strangers, such as retail. That’s the most effective at limiting spread.

seems like increasing transmissibility doesn’t come at a cost to virulence id est mortality so you should be caring just as much

is the risk from meeting a few strangers (such as retail) greater or smaller than the risk of meeting a few known classmates in prolonged indoor classes every working day of the week

could there be interventions with regard to classes that are effective at limiting spread

there are no winners in this

except the corruption coalition and cronies who have had their Pfizers and illegal grants and law enforcement eating out of their hands

poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

poikilotherm said:

7 day lockdown for you vic loosers.

Statewide?

From 11.59pm tonight all of Victoria will move into lockdown restrictions, with just five reasons to leave home.

I hope that includes: if your house is on fire.

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

7 day lockdown for you vic loosers.

What about the Vic winners and neutrals?

I said loosers not losers

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Victorian press conference just starting now.

I hope you’re wearing a mask.

;)

I’m in the house. But I’ve got quite a collection of masks now.

Mr Merlino has been having a go at the commonwealth. Slow vaccine rollout. Not taking their quarantine responsibilities seriously.

There is apparently one person in intensive care in Melbourne.

I’m impressed by the amount of contact tracing that has been done. “From first thing this morning, we have identified in excess of 10,000 primary and secondary contacts who will need to either quarantine”

And the number of tests yesterday was also very impressive.

buffy said:

impressed by the amount of contact tracing that has been done. “From first thing this morning, we have identified in excess of 10,000 primary and secondary contacts

And the number of tests yesterday was also very impressive.

for 2020-05-27 sure

for 15 months into a pandemic … LOL

“Yesterday there were 40,411 tests, which is the highest ever processed in Victoria.”

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

impressed by the amount of contact tracing that has been done. “From first thing this morning, we have identified in excess of 10,000 primary and secondary contacts

And the number of tests yesterday was also very impressive.

for 2020-05-27 sure

for 15 months into a pandemic … LOL

I haven’t got the cumulative figures. That was just for the immediate problem.

SCIENCE said:

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

Distributing more to GPs who have subscribed to the program might help, too. I’m on the list with our GP, but our mob is getting none or very few.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

Distributing more to GPs who have subscribed to the program might help, too. I’m on the list with our GP, but our mob is getting none or very few.

Ditto. How close is your nearest government vaccination centre? We do have one in Hamilton, but I’m not sure they have had supplies of vaccine to the needs required. Although I understand working to vaccinate the highly populated areas as a priority.

buffy said:

There is apparently one person in intensive care in Melbourne.

I’m impressed by the amount of contact tracing that has been done. “From first thing this morning, we have identified in excess of 10,000 primary and secondary contacts who will need to either quarantine”

And the number of tests yesterday was also very impressive.

Whenever its goes to shit somewhere with an outbreak Mrs Cymeks work increases, the airports restart the testing again

buffy said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

these lines would be almost reasonable except for the fact that they are 99% the same people that tell us “open everything for The Economy Must Grow, masks / restrictions / basic caring about others don’t work”

they’re probably also the ones trying to spread things around to justify and scare people into taking up the shit vaccination programme that has been executed thus far

but yeah go on keep blaming over-50-year-olds who don’t want to die of unusual clots, the dickheads in charge have nothing to do with it

Distributing more to GPs who have subscribed to the program might help, too. I’m on the list with our GP, but our mob is getting none or very few.

Ditto. How close is your nearest government vaccination centre? We do have one in Hamilton, but I’m not sure they have had supplies of vaccine to the needs required. Although I understand working to vaccinate the highly populated areas as a priority.

We apologise for the invective* and agree that it’s pretty unfair to go blaming as the screenshot above depicts, when a large component of the undervaccination seems to be access rather than hesitancy (videre licet “big queues at X vaccination centre” which whilst it may represent a sudden change of heart among the people, also clearly demonstrates under capacity).

* might take a step out into the sunlight, photosynthesise, and cool off a bit

SCIENCE said:

I’m not quite sure, but I think testing for ‘flu in Australia was markedly reduced last year. Because the resources were being used for COVID testing.

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm#current

>>It is important to note that due to the COVID-19 epidemic in Australia, data reported from the various influenza surveillance systems may not represent an accurate reflection of influenza activity. Results should be interpreted with caution, especially where comparisons are made to previous influenza seasons. Interpretation of influenza activity data from April 2020 onwards should take into account, but are not limited to, the impact of social distancing measures, likely changes in health seeking behaviour of the community including access to alternative streams of acute respiratory infection specific health services, and focussed testing for COVID-19 response activities. Current COVID-19 related public health measures and the community’s adherence to public health messages are also likely having an effect on transmission of acute respiratory infections, including influenza.<<

So we’ve probably got last year and this year as statistically non comparable to previous years.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

I’m not quite sure, but I think testing for ‘flu in Australia was markedly reduced last year. Because the resources were being used for COVID testing.

didn’t you post that it was actually increased because it was done as part of COVID-19 testing

buffy said:

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm#current

>>It is important to note that due to the COVID-19 epidemic in Australia, data reported from the various influenza surveillance systems may not represent an accurate reflection of influenza activity. Results should be interpreted with caution, especially where comparisons are made to previous influenza seasons. Interpretation of influenza activity data from April 2020 onwards should take into account, but are not limited to, the impact of social distancing measures, likely changes in health seeking behaviour of the community including access to alternative streams of acute respiratory infection specific health services, and focussed testing for COVID-19 response activities. Current COVID-19 related public health measures and the community’s adherence to public health messages are also likely having an effect on transmission of acute respiratory infections, including influenza.<<

So we’ve probably got last year and this year as statistically non comparable to previous years.

didn’t everyone as well as everyone and everyone post that it’s not cases, it’s deaths that count

so we must have been covering up 2 years of ‘flu’ deaths

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

I’m not quite sure, but I think testing for ‘flu in Australia was markedly reduced last year. Because the resources were being used for COVID testing.

didn’t you post that it was actually increased because it was done as part of COVID-19 testing

No, it is not done as part of COVID testing. A COVID test only tests for COVID. We established that last year. So cough, cough, sniffle…get COVID test, phew, I’m fine, it’s not COVID. Won’t go back for another test for flu. Because GPs don’t routinely do flu tests, they just recommend palliation.

On the other hand, presentations to emergency depts decreased in the same period quite significantly.

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/213/8/fewer-presentations-metropolitan-emergency-departments-during-covid-19-pandemic

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1742-6723.13606

https://www.publish.csiro.au/ah/Fulltext/AH20366

Search: emergency dept presentations decrease during covid 19

If it’s the deaths you want…here are the latest mortality figures for Australia.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-feb-2021

Graphs there give last year, first two months of this year, what killed people, and 5 year averages and range etc.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I’m not quite sure, but I think testing for ‘flu in Australia was markedly reduced last year. Because the resources were being used for COVID testing.

didn’t you post that it was actually increased because it was done as part of COVID-19 testing

No, it is not done as part of COVID testing. A COVID test only tests for COVID. We established that last year. So cough, cough, sniffle…get COVID test, phew, I’m fine, it’s not COVID. Won’t go back for another test for flu. Because GPs don’t routinely do flu tests, they just recommend palliation.

it’s certainly established, last year (yes, we’ve covered this)

and this year (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-surveillance-report-20210513.pdf)

The reported testing numbers reflect the number of influenza PCR tests conducted.

so please revise or admit

buffy said:

If it’s the deaths you want…here are the latest mortality figures for Australia.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-feb-2021

Graphs there give last year, first two months of this year, what killed people, and 5 year averages and range etc.

thanks, that tells us

which suggests that either COVID-19 is amazing at fighting influenza, or the doctors signing those death certificates are trying really hard to cover up the circulating influenza that isn’t being picked up by the reduced testing

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

didn’t you post that it was actually increased because it was done as part of COVID-19 testing

No, it is not done as part of COVID testing. A COVID test only tests for COVID. We established that last year. So cough, cough, sniffle…get COVID test, phew, I’m fine, it’s not COVID. Won’t go back for another test for flu. Because GPs don’t routinely do flu tests, they just recommend palliation.

it’s certainly established, last year (yes, we’ve covered this)

and this year (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-surveillance-report-20210513.pdf)

The reported testing numbers reflect the number of influenza PCR tests conducted.

so please revise or admit

As previously – that is NSW. Whole of Australia? And I’m not sure how to read that table. It looks like 3 tests were done for FluA and 3 for FluB and heaps for other things. That’s not many flu tests.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

No, it is not done as part of COVID testing. A COVID test only tests for COVID. We established that last year. So cough, cough, sniffle…get COVID test, phew, I’m fine, it’s not COVID. Won’t go back for another test for flu. Because GPs don’t routinely do flu tests, they just recommend palliation.

it’s certainly established, last year (yes, we’ve covered this)

and this year (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-surveillance-report-20210513.pdf)

The reported testing numbers reflect the number of influenza PCR tests conducted.

so please revise or admit

As previously – that is NSW. Whole of Australia? And I’m not sure how to read that table. It looks like 3 tests were done for FluA and 3 for FluB and heaps for other things. That’s not many flu tests.

you’re right, NSW is Gutful country, exceptional, they do things differently like actually report data

3 positive

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

it’s certainly established, last year (yes, we’ve covered this)

and this year (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-surveillance-report-20210513.pdf)

The reported testing numbers reflect the number of influenza PCR tests conducted.

so please revise or admit

As previously – that is NSW. Whole of Australia? And I’m not sure how to read that table. It looks like 3 tests were done for FluA and 3 for FluB and heaps for other things. That’s not many flu tests.

you’re right, NSW is Gutful country, exceptional, they do things differently like actually report data

3 positive

It appears to say 0% positive. So no positives from 6 tests?

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

As previously – that is NSW. Whole of Australia? And I’m not sure how to read that table. It looks like 3 tests were done for FluA and 3 for FluB and heaps for other things. That’s not many flu tests.

you’re right, NSW is Gutful country, exceptional, they do things differently like actually report data

3 positive

It appears to say 0% positive. So no positives from 6 tests?

Yes, 6 divided by 502734 is equal to 0.

The gory details from the Premier’s office:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/210527%20-%207%20Day%20Circuit%20Breaker%20Restrictions.pdf

The Shovel:

‘Morrison Offers Condolences To Victorians Going Into Lockdown: ‘I Know What It’s Like To Do Absolutely Fucking Nothing’

“To those of you not able to turn up to work, I know what it’s like. I haven’t turned up to work since 2008.

“To those of you who can’t tick of that to-do list this weekend anymore, I’m with you. Although I find it’s generally easier to not have a to-do list in the first place and then you won’t be held accountable when things don’t get done.

“To those of you who have no idea what you’re going to do, neither to I. And that’s got nothing to do with lockdown”.

captain_spalding said:

The Shovel:

‘Morrison Offers Condolences To Victorians Going Into Lockdown: ‘I Know What It’s Like To Do Absolutely Fucking Nothing’

“To those of you not able to turn up to work, I know what it’s like. I haven’t turned up to work since 2008.

“To those of you who can’t tick of that to-do list this weekend anymore, I’m with you. Although I find it’s generally easier to not have a to-do list in the first place and then you won’t be held accountable when things don’t get done.

“To those of you who have no idea what you’re going to do, neither to I. And that’s got nothing to do with lockdown”.

I have been injected with the Astrazeneca 5G nanobots this afternoon.

sibeen said:

I have been injected with the Astrazeneca 5G nanobots this afternoon.

Are they interfering with your fabulous new computer system?

buffy said:

sibeen said:

I have been injected with the Astrazeneca 5G nanobots this afternoon.

Are they interfering with your fabulous new computer system?

The computer system is still a work in progress as actual work got in the way.

sibeen said:

I have been injected with the Astrazeneca 5G nanobots this afternoon.

You might need some invalid stout by this evening.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

I have been injected with the Astrazeneca 5G nanobots this afternoon.

You might need some invalid stout by this evening.

I have laid in supplies :)

sibeen said:

I have been injected with the Astrazeneca 5G nanobots this afternoon.

Congratulations!

I think I should not listen to the TV news. I’ve never been a fan of this Fed government, but now they are trying to shift the blame for low vaccination numbers across to this “vaccine hesitancy” thing. No. In the regions there hasn’t been vaccines sent out. Even when ordered, promised etc, they don’t turn up. I’ve only just been made eligible a couple of weeks ago (age restrictions). (I know this from talking to the Clinic). And the people who are the Fed’s responsibility – nursing homes, NDIS folk – haven’t all been done. My mother is 91. She was due to be vaccinated last week. It was the second try…the first time they were going to be done the vaccines weren’t supplied. I don’t know if she has been done or if we are waiting for 3rd time lucky.

If anything it’s the result of Federal government hesitancy. And now it’s turned into trying to dodge the blame.

(I’ll just get off the soapbox now)

buffy said:

I think I should not listen to the TV news. I’ve never been a fan of this Fed government, but now they are trying to shift the blame for low vaccination numbers across to this “vaccine hesitancy” thing. No. In the regions there hasn’t been vaccines sent out. Even when ordered, promised etc, they don’t turn up. I’ve only just been made eligible a couple of weeks ago (age restrictions). (I know this from talking to the Clinic). And the people who are the Fed’s responsibility – nursing homes, NDIS folk – haven’t all been done. My mother is 91. She was due to be vaccinated last week. It was the second try…the first time they were going to be done the vaccines weren’t supplied. I don’t know if she has been done or if we are waiting for 3rd time lucky.

If anything it’s the result of Federal government hesitancy. And now it’s turned into trying to dodge the blame.

(I’ll just get off the soapbox now)

It’s a more-than-reasonable soapbox to stand on.

We’re going away for a few days from Sunday. It’ll be just my luck for the GP gets AZ supplies whilst we are away…

Michael V said:

buffy said:

I think I should not listen to the TV news. I’ve never been a fan of this Fed government, but now they are trying to shift the blame for low vaccination numbers across to this “vaccine hesitancy” thing. No. In the regions there hasn’t been vaccines sent out. Even when ordered, promised etc, they don’t turn up. I’ve only just been made eligible a couple of weeks ago (age restrictions). (I know this from talking to the Clinic). And the people who are the Fed’s responsibility – nursing homes, NDIS folk – haven’t all been done. My mother is 91. She was due to be vaccinated last week. It was the second try…the first time they were going to be done the vaccines weren’t supplied. I don’t know if she has been done or if we are waiting for 3rd time lucky.

If anything it’s the result of Federal government hesitancy. And now it’s turned into trying to dodge the blame.

(I’ll just get off the soapbox now)

It’s a more-than-reasonable soapbox to stand on.

We’re going away for a few days from Sunday. It’ll be just my luck for the GP gets AZ supplies whilst we are away…

If they really want a scapegoat they can blame it on the labs being too slow to produce the volumes required. Or that the vaccine is trickier to make than first thought, hence the low supply numbers.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

I think I should not listen to the TV news. I’ve never been a fan of this Fed government, but now they are trying to shift the blame for low vaccination numbers across to this “vaccine hesitancy” thing. No. In the regions there hasn’t been vaccines sent out. Even when ordered, promised etc, they don’t turn up. I’ve only just been made eligible a couple of weeks ago (age restrictions). (I know this from talking to the Clinic). And the people who are the Fed’s responsibility – nursing homes, NDIS folk – haven’t all been done. My mother is 91. She was due to be vaccinated last week. It was the second try…the first time they were going to be done the vaccines weren’t supplied. I don’t know if she has been done or if we are waiting for 3rd time lucky.

If anything it’s the result of Federal government hesitancy. And now it’s turned into trying to dodge the blame.

(I’ll just get off the soapbox now)

It’s a more-than-reasonable soapbox to stand on.

We’re going away for a few days from Sunday. It’ll be just my luck for the GP gets AZ supplies whilst we are away…

If they really want a scapegoat they can blame it on the labs being too slow to produce the volumes required. Or that the vaccine is trickier to make than first thought, hence the low supply numbers.

I’d love to know where this ample supply of the Pfizer jab suddenly appeared from…

SHINY.

FAST

NEW.

I just checked availability of appointments for vaccination at the Hamilton hospital. There are 4 appointments on Saturday. Nothing else. Apparently nothing next week.

sibeen said:

SHINY.

FAST

NEW.

That’s the bots doing that. Just as well you got vaccinated or you would have been disappointed.

buffy said:

I just checked availability of appointments for vaccination at the Hamilton hospital. There are 4 appointments on Saturday. Nothing else. Apparently nothing next week.

I didn’t get to pick appointment time, you sign up and they tell you day and time.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I just checked availability of appointments for vaccination at the Hamilton hospital. There are 4 appointments on Saturday. Nothing else. Apparently nothing next week.

I didn’t get to pick appointment time, you sign up and they tell you day and time.

GP does that. The hospital clinic has an online pick and appointment thing.

I’m actually feeling a little flushed. I suspect that’s the nanobots coursing through my system.

I’m going to take an invalid stout as a preventative for any further damage.

sibeen said:

I’m actually feeling a little flushed. I suspect that’s the nanobots coursing through my system.

I’m going to take an invalid stout as a preventative for any further damage.

That will just produce further vasodilation. But if you must. Then you will have to go outside to cool down.

sibeen said:

I’m actually feeling a little flushed.

Manopause.

sibeen said:

I’m actually feeling a little flushed. I suspect that’s the nanobots coursing through my system.

I’m going to take an invalid stout as a preventative for any further damage.

Are you all stocked up?

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

It’s a more-than-reasonable soapbox to stand on.

We’re going away for a few days from Sunday. It’ll be just my luck for the GP gets AZ supplies whilst we are away…

If they really want a scapegoat they can blame it on the labs being too slow to produce the volumes required. Or that the vaccine is trickier to make than first thought, hence the low supply numbers.

I’d love to know where this ample supply of the Pfizer jab suddenly appeared from…

same place as JobKeeper corruption grants

buffy said:

I think I should not listen to the TV news. I’ve never been a fan of this Fed government, but now they are trying to shift the blame for low vaccination numbers across to this “vaccine hesitancy” thing. No. In the regions there hasn’t been vaccines sent out. Even when ordered, promised etc, they don’t turn up. I’ve only just been made eligible a couple of weeks ago (age restrictions). (I know this from talking to the Clinic). And the people who are the Fed’s responsibility – nursing homes, NDIS folk – haven’t all been done. My mother is 91. She was due to be vaccinated last week. It was the second try…the first time they were going to be done the vaccines weren’t supplied. I don’t know if she has been done or if we are waiting for 3rd time lucky.

If anything it’s the result of Federal government hesitancy. And now it’s turned into trying to dodge the blame.

(I’ll just get off the soapbox now)

indeed

Don’t forget to casually blame 1743396 over-50-year-old anti-ChAdOx1-nCoV-19-vaxxers hesitators who don’t want to die of unusual clots (and selfishly want to live to see their children or grandchildren another day) on your way out to the large public gathering tomorrow, instead of the genius execution of the vaccination and quarantine programmes.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

I’m actually feeling a little flushed. I suspect that’s the nanobots coursing through my system.

I’m going to take an invalid stout as a preventative for any further damage.

Are you all stocked up?

Arts said:

sibeen said:

I’m actually feeling a little flushed. I suspect that’s the nanobots coursing through my system.

I’m going to take an invalid stout as a preventative for any further damage.

Are you all stocked up?

Arts said:

sibeen said:

I’m actually feeling a little flushed. I suspect that’s the nanobots coursing through my system.

I’m going to take an invalid stout as a preventative for any further damage.

Are you all stocked up?

Fridge is full. Very full. Full to over brimming in fact. We’re in a lockdown situation here. I even brought some alcohol for the sprogs, because I’m such a great dad.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I think I should not listen to the TV news. I’ve never been a fan of this Fed government, but now they are trying to shift the blame for low vaccination numbers across to this “vaccine hesitancy” thing. No. In the regions there hasn’t been vaccines sent out. Even when ordered, promised etc, they don’t turn up. I’ve only just been made eligible a couple of weeks ago (age restrictions). (I know this from talking to the Clinic). And the people who are the Fed’s responsibility – nursing homes, NDIS folk – haven’t all been done. My mother is 91. She was due to be vaccinated last week. It was the second try…the first time they were going to be done the vaccines weren’t supplied. I don’t know if she has been done or if we are waiting for 3rd time lucky.

If anything it’s the result of Federal government hesitancy. And now it’s turned into trying to dodge the blame.

(I’ll just get off the soapbox now)

indeed

Don’t forget to casually blame 1743396 over-50-year-old anti-ChAdOx1-nCoV-19-vaxxers hesitators who don’t want to die of unusual clots (and selfishly want to live to see their children or grandchildren another day) on your way out to the large public gathering tomorrow, instead of the genius execution of the vaccination and quarantine programmes.

Do you think they should dress themselves in bubble-wrap when they drive to the vaccination site? Better to be safe than sorry so they say.

Here are 2 months of UK data, this could be something.

JudgeMental said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

I’m actually feeling a little flushed. I suspect that’s the nanobots coursing through my system.

I’m going to take an invalid stout as a preventative for any further damage.

Are you all stocked up?

trouble with all these images is, how do they prove it’s yet another round of bullshit, and not just another image from the first (or even some historical) round

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

Arts said:

Are you all stocked up?

trouble with all these images is, how do they prove it’s yet another round of bullshit, and not just another image from the first (or even some historical) round

even if that is so i read the comments and i guess i trust the posters to say what it is like in their neck of the woods.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I think I should not listen to the TV news. I’ve never been a fan of this Fed government, but now they are trying to shift the blame for low vaccination numbers across to this “vaccine hesitancy” thing. No. In the regions there hasn’t been vaccines sent out. Even when ordered, promised etc, they don’t turn up. I’ve only just been made eligible a couple of weeks ago (age restrictions). (I know this from talking to the Clinic). And the people who are the Fed’s responsibility – nursing homes, NDIS folk – haven’t all been done. My mother is 91. She was due to be vaccinated last week. It was the second try…the first time they were going to be done the vaccines weren’t supplied. I don’t know if she has been done or if we are waiting for 3rd time lucky.

If anything it’s the result of Federal government hesitancy. And now it’s turned into trying to dodge the blame.

(I’ll just get off the soapbox now)

indeed

Don’t forget to casually blame 1743396 over-50-year-old anti-ChAdOx1-nCoV-19-vaxxers hesitators who don’t want to die of unusual clots (and selfishly want to live to see their children or grandchildren another day) on your way out to the large public gathering tomorrow, instead of the genius execution of the vaccination and quarantine programmes.

Do you think they should dress themselves in bubble-wrap when they drive to the vaccination site? Better to be safe than sorry so they say.

the grandchildren or the executors of the vaccination and quarantine programmes

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

indeed

Don’t forget to casually blame 1743396 over-50-year-old anti-ChAdOx1-nCoV-19-vaxxers hesitators who don’t want to die of unusual clots (and selfishly want to live to see their children or grandchildren another day) on your way out to the large public gathering tomorrow, instead of the genius execution of the vaccination and quarantine programmes.

Do you think they should dress themselves in bubble-wrap when they drive to the vaccination site? Better to be safe than sorry so they say.

the grandchildren or the executors of the vaccination and quarantine programmes

I’ve not the time for your silliness since there’s a non-zero chance I’ll cark it in the next few minutes.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Do you think they should dress themselves in bubble-wrap when they drive to the vaccination site? Better to be safe than sorry so they say.

the grandchildren or the executors of the vaccination and quarantine programmes

I’ve not the time for your silliness since there’s a non-zero chance I’ll cark it in the next few minutes.

there’s always time for silliness

but all we’re saying is that we preagreed with buffy, it’s always easy for the “leaders” to blame some disadvantaged unfavoured crowd like not-quite-yet-demented-but-no-longer-up-and-coming over-50-year-olds who should be dying for The Economy Must Grow, call it selfish individual risk management or whatever