Date: 27/05/2021 03:27:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1743421
Subject: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
It’s been almost 100 years since humanity first reached a revolutionary conclusion about our Universe: space itself doesn’t remain static, but rather evolves with time. One of the most unsettling predictions of Einstein’s General Relativity is that any Universe — so long as it’s evenly filled with one or more type of energy — cannot remain unchanging over time. Instead, it must either expand or contract, something initially derived independently by three separate people: Alexander Friedmann (1922), Georges Lemaitre (1927), Howard Robertson (1929), and then generalized by Arthur Walker (1936).
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Date: 27/05/2021 05:24:14
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1743427
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
It’s been almost 100 years since humanity first reached a revolutionary conclusion about our Universe: space itself doesn’t remain static, but rather evolves with time. One of the most unsettling predictions of Einstein’s General Relativity is that any Universe — so long as it’s evenly filled with one or more type of energy — cannot remain unchanging over time. Instead, it must either expand or contract, something initially derived independently by three separate people: Alexander Friedmann (1922), Georges Lemaitre (1927), Howard Robertson (1929), and then generalized by Arthur Walker (1936).
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Yes.
Date: 28/05/2021 11:35:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1743923
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
It’s been almost 100 years since humanity first reached a revolutionary conclusion about our Universe: space itself doesn’t remain static, but rather evolves with time. One of the most unsettling predictions of Einstein’s General Relativity is that any Universe — so long as it’s evenly filled with one or more type of energy — cannot remain unchanging over time. Instead, it must either expand or contract, something initially derived independently by three separate people: Alexander Friedmann (1922), Georges Lemaitre (1927), Howard Robertson (1929), and then generalized by Arthur Walker (1936).
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If only for the sake of a more balanced discussion:
No.
I will argue that “space” doesn’t do anything, but all our rulers shrink.
Date: 28/05/2021 14:01:54
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1743977
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
It’s been almost 100 years since humanity first reached a revolutionary conclusion about our Universe: space itself doesn’t remain static, but rather evolves with time. One of the most unsettling predictions of Einstein’s General Relativity is that any Universe — so long as it’s evenly filled with one or more type of energy — cannot remain unchanging over time. Instead, it must either expand or contract, something initially derived independently by three separate people: Alexander Friedmann (1922), Georges Lemaitre (1927), Howard Robertson (1929), and then generalized by Arthur Walker (1936).
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If only for the sake of a more balanced discussion:
No.
I will argue that “space” doesn’t do anything, but all our rulers shrink.
I would like to look around at the plank limit.
Date: 28/05/2021 14:30:48
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1743990
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
It’s been almost 100 years since humanity first reached a revolutionary conclusion about our Universe: space itself doesn’t remain static, but rather evolves with time. One of the most unsettling predictions of Einstein’s General Relativity is that any Universe — so long as it’s evenly filled with one or more type of energy — cannot remain unchanging over time. Instead, it must either expand or contract, something initially derived independently by three separate people: Alexander Friedmann (1922), Georges Lemaitre (1927), Howard Robertson (1929), and then generalized by Arthur Walker (1936).
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If only for the sake of a more balanced discussion:
No.
I will argue that “space” doesn’t do anything, but all our rulers shrink.
I would like to look around at the plank limit.
We can nearly see atomic structure now.
How does deep space observation compare with inner space observation?
or put another way
How far can the latest telescopes see compared with how far the latest electron microscopes can see?
Date: 28/05/2021 14:36:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1743992
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
If only for the sake of a more balanced discussion:
No.
I will argue that “space” doesn’t do anything, but all our rulers shrink.
I would like to look around at the plank limit.
We can nearly see atomic structure now.
How does deep space observation compare with inner space observation?
or put another way
How far can the latest telescopes see compared with how far the latest electron microscopes can see?
They can see almost infinitely further :)
(I’m not sure I see the point of your question)
Date: 28/05/2021 14:45:36
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1743994
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I would like to look around at the plank limit.
We can nearly see atomic structure now.
How does deep space observation compare with inner space observation?
or put another way
How far can the latest telescopes see compared with how far the latest electron microscopes can see?
They can see almost infinitely further :)
(I’m not sure I see the point of your question)
I was wondering about the ratios of seeing out there vs seeing smaller than atomic particles like seeing protons then seeing quarks then etc
We cant see the plank limit.
We cant see the edge of the universe.
But there are huge in betweens.
Date: 28/05/2021 14:49:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1743996
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
We can nearly see atomic structure now.
How does deep space observation compare with inner space observation?
or put another way
How far can the latest telescopes see compared with how far the latest electron microscopes can see?
They can see almost infinitely further :)
(I’m not sure I see the point of your question)
I was wondering about the ratios of seeing out there vs seeing smaller than atomic particles like seeing protons then seeing quarks then etc
We cant see the plank limit.
We cant see the edge of the universe.
But there are huge in betweens.
the guys name was Max Planck.
Date: 28/05/2021 14:52:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1743999
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
They can see almost infinitely further :)
(I’m not sure I see the point of your question)
I was wondering about the ratios of seeing out there vs seeing smaller than atomic particles like seeing protons then seeing quarks then etc
We cant see the plank limit.
We cant see the edge of the universe.
But there are huge in betweens.
the guys name was Max Planck.
Very clever guy.
Date: 28/05/2021 14:53:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744000
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I was wondering about the ratios of seeing out there vs seeing smaller than atomic particles like seeing protons then seeing quarks then etc
We cant see the plank limit.
We cant see the edge of the universe.
But there are huge in betweens.
the guys name was Max Planck.
Very clever guy.
There is also an Institute named after him.
Date: 28/05/2021 14:54:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744001
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I was wondering about the ratios of seeing out there vs seeing smaller than atomic particles like seeing protons then seeing quarks then etc
We cant see the plank limit.
We cant see the edge of the universe.
But there are huge in betweens.
the guys name was Max Planck.
Very clever guy.
Unfortunately he was also a religious nutter.
Date: 28/05/2021 14:55:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744002
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
the guys name was Max Planck.
Very clever guy.
Unfortunately he was also a religious nutter.
Well he gets some brownie points taken away then.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:00:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744005
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Very clever guy.
Unfortunately he was also a religious nutter.
Well he gets some brownie points taken away then.
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:01:15
From: Tamb
ID: 1744006
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
the guys name was Max Planck.
Very clever guy.
There is also an Institute named after him.
So the Planck limit is the Max Planck.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:03:47
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744007
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Very clever guy.
There is also an Institute named after him.
So the Planck limit is the Max Planck.
:)
Date: 28/05/2021 15:09:02
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744009
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Unfortunately he was also a religious nutter.
Well he gets some brownie points taken away then.
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
I’m tolerant of religious people, but that has nothing to do with what they believe in which is only unique to them.
He should have observed that.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:10:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744010
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Unfortunately he was also a religious nutter.
Well he gets some brownie points taken away then.
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
It meant that he quickly gave up on interpreting quantum mechanics in a realistic cosmological context.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:12:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744011
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Well he gets some brownie points taken away then.
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
I’m tolerant of religious people, but that has nothing to do with what they believe in which is only unique to them.
He should have observed that.
how do you know what he observed or didn’t? that wiki entry is just a snippet of what he may have been like. why not just appreciate his contributions to science?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:13:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744012
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Well he gets some brownie points taken away then.
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
It meant that he quickly gave up on interpreting quantum mechanics in a realistic cosmological context.
so? he certainly contributed to it before.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:13:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744013
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
It meant that he quickly gave up on interpreting quantum mechanics in a realistic cosmological context.
so? he certainly contributed to it before.
Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:14:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744014
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
It meant that he quickly gave up on interpreting quantum mechanics in a realistic cosmological context.
so? he certainly contributed to it before.
Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
so why bring his religion up then when we are talking science?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:15:31
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744015
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Well he gets some brownie points taken away then.
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
It meant that he quickly gave up on interpreting quantum mechanics in a realistic cosmological context.
+1
Date: 28/05/2021 15:17:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744016
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
so? he certainly contributed to it before.
Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
so why bring his religion up then when we are talking science?
Because his religion limited his ability to talk science.
Why do you think it wise to ignore such basic biographical information?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:19:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744017
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
why? did it affect his science? Is he remembered for being religious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck#Religious_views
He seems pretty tolerant.
I’m tolerant of religious people, but that has nothing to do with what they believe in which is only unique to them.
He should have observed that.
how do you know what he observed or didn’t? that wiki entry is just a snippet of what he may have been like. why not just appreciate his contributions to science?
To believe in God, heaven, purgatory and hell requires an abstract interpretation of space as these space do not exist in real space.
so Yes I think it had a negative effect on his science, to what degree I don’t know.
I think he did a good job considering all the distraction of religion.
I think he could have done more without it.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:19:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744018
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
so why bring his religion up then when we are talking science?
Because his religion limited his ability to talk science.
Why do you think it wise to ignore such basic biographical information?
from reading the wiki he was pretty old when religion came to the fore. Plus he religion has nothing to do with what he actually did for science.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:20:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744020
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I’m tolerant of religious people, but that has nothing to do with what they believe in which is only unique to them.
He should have observed that.
how do you know what he observed or didn’t? that wiki entry is just a snippet of what he may have been like. why not just appreciate his contributions to science?
To believe in God, heaven, purgatory and hell requires an abstract interpretation of space as these space do not exist in real space.
so Yes I think it had a negative effect on his science, to what degree I don’t know.
I think he did a good job considering all the distraction of religion.
I think he could have done more without it.
LOL, what utter garbage. just words with nothing to back them.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:21:11
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744021
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
so why bring his religion up then when we are talking science?
Because his religion limited his ability to talk science.
Why do you think it wise to ignore such basic biographical information?
from reading the wiki he was pretty old when religion came to the fore. Plus he religion has nothing to do with what he actually did for science.
It must have had some efftect on his science.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:21:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744022
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
so why bring his religion up then when we are talking science?
Because his religion limited his ability to talk science.
Why do you think it wise to ignore such basic biographical information?
from reading the wiki he was pretty old when religion came to the fore. Plus he religion has nothing to do with what he actually did for science.
True, it’s just a bit sad that he was also a religious nutter.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:21:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744023
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
how do you know what he observed or didn’t? that wiki entry is just a snippet of what he may have been like. why not just appreciate his contributions to science?
To believe in God, heaven, purgatory and hell requires an abstract interpretation of space as these space do not exist in real space.
so Yes I think it had a negative effect on his science, to what degree I don’t know.
I think he did a good job considering all the distraction of religion.
I think he could have done more without it.
LOL, what utter garbage. just words with nothing to back them.
Abstract spaces are garbage.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:22:13
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744024
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Because his religion limited his ability to talk science.
Why do you think it wise to ignore such basic biographical information?
from reading the wiki he was pretty old when religion came to the fore. Plus he religion has nothing to do with what he actually did for science.
It must have had some efftect on his science.
you don’t know that.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:22:19
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744025
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Because his religion limited his ability to talk science.
Why do you think it wise to ignore such basic biographical information?
from reading the wiki he was pretty old when religion came to the fore. Plus he religion has nothing to do with what he actually did for science.
It must have had some efftect on his science.
Boris is in fight mode, Tau. Best just nod & smile :)
Date: 28/05/2021 15:22:35
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744027
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Because his religion limited his ability to talk science.
Why do you think it wise to ignore such basic biographical information?
from reading the wiki he was pretty old when religion came to the fore. Plus he religion has nothing to do with what he actually did for science.
True, it’s just a bit sad that he was also a religious nutter.
doesn’t read like he was a nutter.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:22:36
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744028
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
To believe in God, heaven, purgatory and hell requires an abstract interpretation of space as these space do not exist in real space.
so Yes I think it had a negative effect on his science, to what degree I don’t know.
I think he did a good job considering all the distraction of religion.
I think he could have done more without it.
LOL, what utter garbage. just words with nothing to back them.
Abstract spaces are garbage.
And they contain nothing.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:23:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744029
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
To believe in God, heaven, purgatory and hell requires an abstract interpretation of space as these space do not exist in real space.
so Yes I think it had a negative effect on his science, to what degree I don’t know.
I think he did a good job considering all the distraction of religion.
I think he could have done more without it.
LOL, what utter garbage. just words with nothing to back them.
Abstract spaces are garbage.
geez don’t ever do mathematics then.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:23:48
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744030
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
from reading the wiki he was pretty old when religion came to the fore. Plus he religion has nothing to do with what he actually did for science.
It must have had some efftect on his science.
Boris is in fight mode, Tau. Best just nod & smile :)
just sick of the utter mindless crap. plus you start to patronise me i’ll get nasty.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:24:10
From: Tamb
ID: 1744031
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I’m tolerant of religious people, but that has nothing to do with what they believe in which is only unique to them.
He should have observed that.
how do you know what he observed or didn’t? that wiki entry is just a snippet of what he may have been like. why not just appreciate his contributions to science?
To believe in God, heaven, purgatory and hell requires an abstract interpretation of space as these space do not exist in real space.
so Yes I think it had a negative effect on his science, to what degree I don’t know.
I think he did a good job considering all the distraction of religion.
I think he could have done more without it.
Newton was a bit on the religious side too
For Newton the world of science was by no means the whole of life. He spent more time on theology than on science; indeed, he wrote about 1.3 million words on biblical subjects.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:25:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744033
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It must have had some efftect on his science.
Boris is in fight mode, Tau. Best just nod & smile :)
just sick of the utter mindless crap. plus you start to patronise me i’ll get nasty.
Meh, you patronise everyone here, most of the time. And quite unjustifiably.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:25:32
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744034
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
LOL, what utter garbage. just words with nothing to back them.
Abstract spaces are garbage.
geez don’t ever do mathematics then.
Mathematics talks about different spaces to that of heaven, purgatory and hell.
I have never seen a mathematical interpretation of them.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:25:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744035
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It must have had some efftect on his science.
Boris is in fight mode, Tau. Best just nod & smile :)
just sick of the utter mindless crap. plus you start to patronise me i’ll get nasty.
We are expecting that.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:28:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1744036
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
I was thinking that if the expanding universe needed more space to fill up the expansion, it could just get more from the space store.
But, this presents the problem of excessive demand on the space store diminishing its stock.
As the store empties, it starts running out of space.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:29:48
From: Cymek
ID: 1744037
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Abstract spaces are garbage.
geez don’t ever do mathematics then.
Mathematics talks about different spaces to that of heaven, purgatory and hell.
I have never seen a mathematical interpretation of them.
Hell would equal nothing, everyone alone forever with nothing else except thoughts
Date: 28/05/2021 15:30:33
From: Cymek
ID: 1744038
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
captain_spalding said:
I was thinking that if the expanding universe needed more space to fill up the expansion, it could just get more from the space store.
But, this presents the problem of excessive demand on the space store diminishing its stock.
As the store empties, it starts running out of space.
It is weird something infinite came become bigger
Date: 28/05/2021 15:30:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744039
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Boris is in fight mode, Tau. Best just nod & smile :)
just sick of the utter mindless crap. plus you start to patronise me i’ll get nasty.
Meh, you patronise everyone here, most of the time. And quite unjustifiably.
do i? seeing as i do it most of the time give an example?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:31:46
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744042
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
captain_spalding said:
I was thinking that if the expanding universe needed more space to fill up the expansion, it could just get more from the space store.
But, this presents the problem of excessive demand on the space store diminishing its stock.
As the store empties, it starts running out of space.
If the expanding bubble theory is correct then space is either stretching or space is getting created somehow.
If that isn’t correct then something else is going on that we don’t know about.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:32:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744043
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
I was thinking that if the expanding universe needed more space to fill up the expansion, it could just get more from the space store.
But, this presents the problem of excessive demand on the space store diminishing its stock.
As the store empties, it starts running out of space.
It is weird something infinite came become bigger
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:34:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1744044
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
I stayed at Hilbert’s hotel once.
Room service took forever to arrive from the kitchen.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:36:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744045
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
just sick of the utter mindless crap. plus you start to patronise me i’ll get nasty.
Meh, you patronise everyone here, most of the time. And quite unjustifiably.
do i? seeing as i do it most of the time give an example?
You do effectively convey the idea that you believe you’re above most of us :)
And that’s fair enough, given your attested height.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:36:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744046
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
I stayed at Hilbert’s hotel once.
Room service took forever to arrive from the kitchen.
I wonder, if in an infinite hotel, whether everybody is next to the kitchen? or infinitely far away?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:37:18
From: Cymek
ID: 1744047
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Abstract spaces are garbage.
geez don’t ever do mathematics then.
Mathematics talks about different spaces to that of heaven, purgatory and hell.
I have never seen a mathematical interpretation of them.
Heaven = 1
Hell = 0
Purgatory = 1/2
Date: 28/05/2021 15:38:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744048
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Meh, you patronise everyone here, most of the time. And quite unjustifiably.
do i? seeing as i do it most of the time give an example?
You do effectively convey the idea that you believe you’re above most of us :)
And that’s fair enough, given your attested height.
LOL, you really don’t know me. Most of my “better then you” stuff is having a dig at my own faults.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:38:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1744049
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
I stayed at Hilbert’s hotel once.
Room service took forever to arrive from the kitchen.
I wonder, if in an infinite hotel, whether everybody is next to the kitchen? or infinitely far away?
I just know that, even if the hotel expands infinitely, my room will always be right above the bloody disco.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:38:41
From: Cymek
ID: 1744050
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
I was thinking that if the expanding universe needed more space to fill up the expansion, it could just get more from the space store.
But, this presents the problem of excessive demand on the space store diminishing its stock.
As the store empties, it starts running out of space.
It is weird something infinite came become bigger
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
Perhaps space/time is infinite, the universe isn’t and keeps expanding into this infinite space
Date: 28/05/2021 15:38:53
From: Tamb
ID: 1744052
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
I stayed at Hilbert’s hotel once.
Room service took forever to arrive from the kitchen.
I wonder, if in an infinite hotel, whether everybody is next to the kitchen? or infinitely far away?
You would find it overrun with Mr. S’s cat infinitely reproduced.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:38:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1744053
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
geez don’t ever do mathematics then.
Mathematics talks about different spaces to that of heaven, purgatory and hell.
I have never seen a mathematical interpretation of them.
Heaven = 1
Hell = 0
Purgatory = 1/2
Where’s Canberra on that scale?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:40:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744054
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
do i? seeing as i do it most of the time give an example?
You do effectively convey the idea that you believe you’re above most of us :)
And that’s fair enough, given your attested height.
LOL, you really don’t know me. Most of my “better then you” stuff is having a dig at my own faults.
Fair enough. I’m my own worst critic too, there’s no shortage of self-contempt in this household.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:41:15
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744055
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
It is weird something infinite came become bigger
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
Perhaps space/time is infinite, the universe isn’t and keeps expanding into this infinite space
we don’t think that. the universe isn’t expanding into a pre-existing space. that would mean the universe has an edge. cosmologists don’t really like that concept.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:43:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744057
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
The universe is becoming less dense, which results in more empty space.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:44:04
From: Cymek
ID: 1744058
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Mathematics talks about different spaces to that of heaven, purgatory and hell.
I have never seen a mathematical interpretation of them.
Heaven = 1
Hell = 0
Purgatory = 1/2
Where’s Canberra on that scale?
-1 ?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:44:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744059
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Space drags around black holes and stars.
What happens after space drags?
Does space snap back or does space fill it up somehow with more space?
Date: 28/05/2021 15:44:41
From: Cymek
ID: 1744060
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
ahhh that is the funny thing about infinity. hilbert’s hotel is a good example. infinity can come in many sizes.
Perhaps space/time is infinite, the universe isn’t and keeps expanding into this infinite space
we don’t think that. the universe isn’t expanding into a pre-existing space. that would mean the universe has an edge. cosmologists don’t really like that concept.
Yeah I know just pondering
Date: 28/05/2021 15:47:34
From: Cymek
ID: 1744062
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Space drags around black holes and stars.
What happens after space drags?
Does space snap back or does space fill it up somehow with more space?
Black holes supposedly evaporate I wonder if they devolve into less dense objects and aren’t black anymore
Date: 28/05/2021 15:48:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1744063
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Bubblecar said:
The universe is becoming less dense, which results in more empty space.
Conversely, as people become more dense, there’s more space between their ears.
Date: 28/05/2021 15:52:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744068
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Space drags around black holes and stars.
What happens after space drags?
Does space snap back or does space fill it up somehow with more space?
Black holes supposedly evaporate I wonder if they devolve into less dense objects and aren’t black anymore
As a black hole evaporates, it slowly shrinks and, as it loses mass, the rate of particles escaping also increases until all the remaining energy escapes at once. In the final tenth of a second of a black hole’s life, “you will have a huge flash of light and energy,” Natarajan says. “It’s almost like a million nuclear fusion bombs going off in a very tiny region of space.”
By Earth’s standards, that’s a lot, significantly more than the total nuclear arsenal of all nations. In astronomical terms, not so much. The most powerful supernova yet recorded (ASSASN-15lh) was 22 trillion times more explosive than a black hole will be in its final moments.
It doesn’t matter how small or how massive a black hole is, their closing fireworks are exactly the same. The only difference is how long it will take a black hole to explode. But once a black hole gobbles down its last meal, all that’s left is for the sand grains to relentlessly tumble down until there’s nothing left.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/news/2021/02/the-beginning-to-the-end-of-the-universe-how-black-holes-die
Date: 28/05/2021 15:54:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1744071
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Space drags around black holes and stars.
What happens after space drags?
Does space snap back or does space fill it up somehow with more space?
Black holes supposedly evaporate I wonder if they devolve into less dense objects and aren’t black anymore
As a black hole evaporates, it slowly shrinks and, as it loses mass, the rate of particles escaping also increases until all the remaining energy escapes at once. In the final tenth of a second of a black hole’s life, “you will have a huge flash of light and energy,” Natarajan says. “It’s almost like a million nuclear fusion bombs going off in a very tiny region of space.”
By Earth’s standards, that’s a lot, significantly more than the total nuclear arsenal of all nations. In astronomical terms, not so much. The most powerful supernova yet recorded (ASSASN-15lh) was 22 trillion times more explosive than a black hole will be in its final moments.
It doesn’t matter how small or how massive a black hole is, their closing fireworks are exactly the same. The only difference is how long it will take a black hole to explode. But once a black hole gobbles down its last meal, all that’s left is for the sand grains to relentlessly tumble down until there’s nothing left.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/news/2021/02/the-beginning-to-the-end-of-the-universe-how-black-holes-die
Thanks, interesting
Date: 28/05/2021 15:57:14
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744074
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Space drags around black holes and stars.
What happens after space drags?
Does space snap back or does space fill it up somehow with more space?
Black holes supposedly evaporate I wonder if they devolve into less dense objects and aren’t black anymore
Good Point.
Some possibilities. They evaporate away until they return to a neutron star again and begin cooling down to a dead object or they evaporate back to a very compact object different to that of a neutron star which may take longer to cool down but still cools down.
Date: 28/05/2021 16:00:25
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744077
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Space drags around black holes and stars.
What happens after space drags?
Does space snap back or does space fill it up somehow with more space?
Black holes supposedly evaporate I wonder if they devolve into less dense objects and aren’t black anymore
Good Point.
Some possibilities. They evaporate away until they return to a neutron star again and begin cooling down to a dead object or they evaporate back to a very compact object different to that of a neutron star which may take longer to cool down but still cools down.
OR they explode.
Has A BH ever been observed exploding?
Date: 28/05/2021 16:04:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1744081
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
Black holes supposedly evaporate I wonder if they devolve into less dense objects and aren’t black anymore
As a black hole evaporates, it slowly shrinks and, as it loses mass, the rate of particles escaping also increases until all the remaining energy escapes at once. In the final tenth of a second of a black hole’s life, “you will have a huge flash of light and energy,” Natarajan says. “It’s almost like a million nuclear fusion bombs going off in a very tiny region of space.”
By Earth’s standards, that’s a lot, significantly more than the total nuclear arsenal of all nations. In astronomical terms, not so much. The most powerful supernova yet recorded (ASSASN-15lh) was 22 trillion times more explosive than a black hole will be in its final moments.
It doesn’t matter how small or how massive a black hole is, their closing fireworks are exactly the same. The only difference is how long it will take a black hole to explode. But once a black hole gobbles down its last meal, all that’s left is for the sand grains to relentlessly tumble down until there’s nothing left.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/news/2021/02/the-beginning-to-the-end-of-the-universe-how-black-holes-die
Thanks, interesting
As the concept space expands, is the degradation of the discussion quality inevitable, or is the observation of such a relationship more a matter of confirmation bias?
Date: 28/05/2021 16:06:54
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744085
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
As a black hole evaporates, it slowly shrinks and, as it loses mass, the rate of particles escaping also increases until all the remaining energy escapes at once. In the final tenth of a second of a black hole’s life, “you will have a huge flash of light and energy,” Natarajan says. “It’s almost like a million nuclear fusion bombs going off in a very tiny region of space.”
By Earth’s standards, that’s a lot, significantly more than the total nuclear arsenal of all nations. In astronomical terms, not so much. The most powerful supernova yet recorded (ASSASN-15lh) was 22 trillion times more explosive than a black hole will be in its final moments.
It doesn’t matter how small or how massive a black hole is, their closing fireworks are exactly the same. The only difference is how long it will take a black hole to explode. But once a black hole gobbles down its last meal, all that’s left is for the sand grains to relentlessly tumble down until there’s nothing left.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/news/2021/02/the-beginning-to-the-end-of-the-universe-how-black-holes-die
Thanks, interesting
As the concept space expands, is the degradation of the discussion quality inevitable, or is the observation of such a relationship more a matter of confirmation bias?
Do black holes evaporate and cool down, explode or something else?
Date: 28/05/2021 16:10:10
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744090
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
As a black hole evaporates, it slowly shrinks and, as it loses mass, the rate of particles escaping also increases until all the remaining energy escapes at once. In the final tenth of a second of a black hole’s life, “you will have a huge flash of light and energy,” Natarajan says. “It’s almost like a million nuclear fusion bombs going off in a very tiny region of space.”
By Earth’s standards, that’s a lot, significantly more than the total nuclear arsenal of all nations. In astronomical terms, not so much. The most powerful supernova yet recorded (ASSASN-15lh) was 22 trillion times more explosive than a black hole will be in its final moments.
It doesn’t matter how small or how massive a black hole is, their closing fireworks are exactly the same. The only difference is how long it will take a black hole to explode. But once a black hole gobbles down its last meal, all that’s left is for the sand grains to relentlessly tumble down until there’s nothing left.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/news/2021/02/the-beginning-to-the-end-of-the-universe-how-black-holes-die
Thanks, interesting
As the concept space expands, is the degradation of the discussion quality inevitable, or is the observation of such a relationship more a matter of confirmation bias?
The nature of ASASSN-15lh is disputed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASASSN-15lh
Date: 28/05/2021 16:10:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1744091
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
As a black hole evaporates, it slowly shrinks and, as it loses mass, the rate of particles escaping also increases until all the remaining energy escapes at once. In the final tenth of a second of a black hole’s life, “you will have a huge flash of light and energy,” Natarajan says. “It’s almost like a million nuclear fusion bombs going off in a very tiny region of space.”
By Earth’s standards, that’s a lot, significantly more than the total nuclear arsenal of all nations. In astronomical terms, not so much. The most powerful supernova yet recorded (ASSASN-15lh) was 22 trillion times more explosive than a black hole will be in its final moments.
It doesn’t matter how small or how massive a black hole is, their closing fireworks are exactly the same. The only difference is how long it will take a black hole to explode. But once a black hole gobbles down its last meal, all that’s left is for the sand grains to relentlessly tumble down until there’s nothing left.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/news/2021/02/the-beginning-to-the-end-of-the-universe-how-black-holes-die
Thanks, interesting
As the concept space expands, is the degradation of the discussion quality inevitable, or is the observation of such a relationship more a matter of confirmation bias?
It’s post-lunch Friday:)
Date: 29/05/2021 13:07:07
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744329
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
In simple terms religion affects observation.
Just look at US politicians that are deeply religious.
Religion affects their law making, which usually has a detrimental affect on human rights and women’s rights.
It tends to mess things up.
Date: 29/05/2021 13:18:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744335
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
In simple terms religion affects observation.
Just look at US politicians that are deeply religious.
Religion affects their law making, which usually has a detrimental affect on human rights and women’s rights.
It tends to mess things up.
still on about it? and yet we make progress in science where not all scientists are atheists. go figure.
Date: 29/05/2021 13:19:18
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744336
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
In simple terms religion affects observation.
Just look at US politicians that are deeply religious.
Religion affects their law making, which usually has a detrimental affect on human rights and women’s rights.
It tends to mess things up.
Which is tragically ironic considering that a lot of deeply religious people subscribe to social order and here they are creating chaos.
Date: 29/05/2021 13:24:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1744339
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
make progress in science where not all scientists are atheists
¿ref
Date: 29/05/2021 13:26:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1744342
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:make progress in science where not all scientists are atheists
¿ref
max planck.
Date: 29/05/2021 13:39:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1744347
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:make progress in science where not all scientists are atheists
¿ref
max planck.
uh sounds like appeal to authority
Date: 29/05/2021 13:39:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1744348
Subject: re: As The Universe Expands, Does Space Actually Stretch?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
In simple terms religion affects observation.
Just look at US politicians that are deeply religious.
Religion affects their law making, which usually has a detrimental affect on human rights and women’s rights.
It tends to mess things up.
Which is tragically ironic considering that a lot of deeply religious people subscribe to social order and here they are creating chaos.
Which is one reason why I don’t like US lobbyists coming over here that are religious nutters who love guns. They are damaged goods.