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The UK’s rate of new cases has just about doubled over the last week, from around 2000 cases per day last week to around 4000 in the last few days. They seem to be mostly the new Indian variant, but the Government are being a bit coy about that. Just when they are starting to ease restrictions too.
A few EU countries have now slapped travel bans on the UK because of “variant of concern” issues.
Flights from India are still landing in the UK, despite the country being red listed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/victoria-records-five-new-local-covid-cases/100176658
Isn’t the Commonwealth responsible for making sure the 1a people in aged care – residents and staff – are vaccinated?
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/victoria-records-five-new-local-covid-cases/100176658Isn’t the Commonwealth responsible for making sure the 1a people in aged care – residents and staff – are vaccinated?
The commonwealth isn’t really responsible for anything these days.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/victoria-records-five-new-local-covid-cases/100176658Isn’t the Commonwealth responsible for making sure the 1a people in aged care – residents and staff – are vaccinated?
The Commonwealth is responsible for ensuring that media moguls and mining companies don’t pay tax.
Anything other than those things, they consider to be ‘suggestions’.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/victoria-records-five-new-local-covid-cases/100176658Isn’t the Commonwealth responsible for making sure the 1a people in aged care – residents and staff – are vaccinated?
The Commonwealth is responsible for ensuring that media moguls and mining companies don’t pay tax.
Anything other than those things, they consider to be ‘suggestions’.
word out there is to take all documentation they have of “national” in the COVID-19 context, and replace with “notional”, and then you have the answers
I see the Commonwealth is also claiming the glory for the increased levels of vaccinations going on recently…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/dole-bludger-emerged-in-the-1970s-to-serve-a-political-purpose/100174356
buffy said:
I see the Commonwealth is also claiming the glory for the increased levels of vaccinations going on recently…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/dole-bludger-emerged-in-the-1970s-to-serve-a-political-purpose/100174356
Sorry, wrong link:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-30/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-victoria-lockdown-timing-unsure/100176608
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:Here are 2 months of UK data, this could be something.
And for more excitement, this is 3 months of UK data, is it something ¿
The Indian variant is spreading. Anyone know how the UK’s vaccines are coping with this aspect?
The UK’s rate of new cases has just about doubled over the last week, from around 2000 cases per day last week to around 4000 in the last few days. They seem to be mostly the new Indian variant, but the Government are being a bit coy about that. Just when they are starting to ease restrictions too.
A few EU countries have now slapped travel bans on the UK because of “variant of concern” issues.
Flights from India are still landing in the UK, despite the country being red listed.
it’s coming back down

buffy said:
buffy said:
I see the Commonwealth is also claiming the glory for the increased levels of vaccinations going on recently…Sorry, wrong link:
nah both correct links we think, same group of people
speaking of the Mainland true
like WTF were they thinking


SCIENCE said:
Good News, Well-Ventilated Camps Seem To Be Suitable For Quarantine
Even Better News, We Can Keep The Occupancy / Density Of These Camps Low By … Wait … What
7 hours to get from Brisbane to the GC?
Couldn’t they get it out of first gear, or something?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Good News, Well-Ventilated Camps Seem To Be Suitable For Quarantine
Even Better News, We Can Keep The Occupancy / Density Of These Camps Low By … Wait … What
7 hours to get from Brisbane to the GC?
Couldn’t they get it out of first gear, or something?
Bus probably wasn’t moving for most of that.
roughbarked said:
Bus probably wasn’t moving for most of that.
Yes, i imagine so. I was joking about ‘first gear’.
I can well imagine that it was a stuff-up that was the problem.
Sofitel hadn’t been told, the bus driver had no clear directions on where to go, the person with the keys to the relevant spaces was on a day off, staff had to be called back in, the ever-so-effective private security people for quarantine hadn’t been organised, there were no medical people notified and on hand, all of the PPE was in storage and (again) the person with the keys was not available, the accommodation needed to be prepared, local police hadn’t been informed, yadda, yadda, yadda, any or all of the above and fifty other things besides.
SOP.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Bus probably wasn’t moving for most of that.
Yes, i imagine so. I was joking about ‘first gear’.
I can well imagine that it was a stuff-up that was the problem.
Sofitel hadn’t been told, the bus driver had no clear directions on where to go, the person with the keys to the relevant spaces was on a day off, staff had to be called back in, the ever-so-effective private security people for quarantine hadn’t been organised, there were no medical people notified and on hand, all of the PPE was in storage and (again) the person with the keys was not available, the accommodation needed to be prepared, local police hadn’t been informed, yadda, yadda, yadda, any or all of the above and fifty other things besides.
SOP.
It will take us forever to stop this virus the way we are going.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Good News, Well-Ventilated Camps Seem To Be Suitable For Quarantine
Even Better News, We Can Keep The Occupancy / Density Of These Camps Low By … Wait … What
7 hours to get from Brisbane to the GC?
Couldn’t they get it out of first gear, or something?
Sunday arvo: the usual Pacific Motorway Parking Lot.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/victoria-covid-cases-lockdown-aged-care-outbreak/100177592
Victoria’s COVID-19 outbreak has grown to 45 cases, after five more cases were confirmed by the state’s health department.
SCIENCE said:
Another 5, God Must Be Having A Laugh
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/victoria-covid-cases-lockdown-aged-care-outbreak/100177592
Victoria’s COVID-19 outbreak has grown to 45 cases, after five more cases were confirmed by the state’s health department.
We can always count on Victoria to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Looks like we have people who are working across multiple care homes. I thought someone would have tried to put a stop to that after we had our first lock downs.
sibeen said:
Looks like we have people who are working across multiple care homes. I thought someone would have tried to put a stop to that after we had our first lock downs.
I thought that had been fixed too. Are the two places run by the same people/same group of staff, so count as one workplace?
oh c’m‘on BankGazaJerusalemStripWest it’s all the same place no
SCIENCE said:
oh c’m‘on BankGazaJerusalemStripWest it’s all the same place no
No good or bad sides in this conflict, Israel cops flack it seems because they have superior weapons and can defend themselves better, Hamas though shouldn’t fire weapons amongst its people and use them as shields
Israel shouldn’t be kicking people out of homes they lived in for many years that’s just wrong, peace in the middle east never likely to happen.
Word on the street is another week of lockdown in Melbourne.
Dark Orange said:
Word on the street is another week of lockdown in Melbourne.
Definitely. Another 6 cases found since late last night.
Last Covid death in Australia has celebrared its 5th month anniversary. It was 28 Dec 2020. The one before that was a month earlier, 30 Nov 2020. Before that was a month earlier again, 28 Oct 2020. So Australia has had only 2 covid deaths in 7 months.
Got my Astra-Zenica.
Respiratory flu-like diseases in Australia continue to rise. If you don’t wear a mask for Covid – wear it for other flu-like diseases.

mollwollfumble said:
Dark Orange said:Word on the street is another week of lockdown in Melbourne.
Definitely. Another 6 cases found since late last night.
Last Covid death in Australia has celebrared its 5th month anniversary. It was 28 Dec 2020. The one before that was a month earlier, 30 Nov 2020. Before that was a month earlier again, 28 Oct 2020. So Australia has had only 2 covid deaths in 7 months.
Got my Astra-Zenica.
Respiratory flu-like diseases in Australia continue to rise. If you don’t wear a mask for Covid – wear it for other flu-like diseases.
Wasn’t there one mid-april?
Dark Orange said:
mollwollfumble said:
Dark Orange said:Word on the street is another week of lockdown in Melbourne.
Definitely. Another 6 cases found since late last night.
Last Covid death in Australia has celebrared its 5th month anniversary. It was 28 Dec 2020. The one before that was a month earlier, 30 Nov 2020. Before that was a month earlier again, 28 Oct 2020. So Australia has had only 2 covid deaths in 7 months.
Got my Astra-Zenica.
Respiratory flu-like diseases in Australia continue to rise. If you don’t wear a mask for Covid – wear it for other flu-like diseases.
Wasn’t there one mid-april?
probably with not from
Mr Merlino is talking at the moment. He was asked about workers in aged care working in different facilities.
“I might ask the Minister for Health to add to the comments I have made, it’s a very simple proposition. Public sector aged care, state responsibility we have clear policies in place that has made sure workers don’t work across sites, private sector aged care is a Federal Government responsibility, these are absolutely relevant questions everyone is asking, they should be put to the Federal Government.”Victoria is not happy with the feds.
buffy said:
Mr Merlino is talking at the moment. He was asked about workers in aged care working in different facilities. “I might ask the Minister for Health to add to the comments I have made, it’s a very simple proposition. Public sector aged care, state responsibility we have clear policies in place that has made sure workers don’t work across sites, private sector aged care is a Federal Government responsibility, these are absolutely relevant questions everyone is asking, they should be put to the Federal Government.”Victoria is not happy with the feds.
The official stance is:
“Don’t do it unless you have to. And if you have to do it, try not to do it much.”

Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Mr Merlino is talking at the moment. He was asked about workers in aged care working in different facilities. “I might ask the Minister for Health to add to the comments I have made, it’s a very simple proposition. Public sector aged care, state responsibility we have clear policies in place that has made sure workers don’t work across sites, private sector aged care is a Federal Government responsibility, these are absolutely relevant questions everyone is asking, they should be put to the Federal Government.”Victoria is not happy with the feds.
The official stance is:
“Don’t do it unless you have to. And if you have to do it, try not to do it much.”
ah the Sweden defence, we can’t force people to do or not to do anything, carry on
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Mr Merlino is talking at the moment. He was asked about workers in aged care working in different facilities. “I might ask the Minister for Health to add to the comments I have made, it’s a very simple proposition. Public sector aged care, state responsibility we have clear policies in place that has made sure workers don’t work across sites, private sector aged care is a Federal Government responsibility, these are absolutely relevant questions everyone is asking, they should be put to the Federal Government.”Victoria is not happy with the feds.
The official stance is:
“Don’t do it unless you have to. And if you have to do it, try not to do it much.”
There is a bit more about the legals of it. ABC blog.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/covid-blog-abc-melbourne-victoria-lockdown-case-numbers-vaccines/100125514
Third item down. (But it’s moving fast)
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Mr Merlino is talking at the moment. He was asked about workers in aged care working in different facilities. “I might ask the Minister for Health to add to the comments I have made, it’s a very simple proposition. Public sector aged care, state responsibility we have clear policies in place that has made sure workers don’t work across sites, private sector aged care is a Federal Government responsibility, these are absolutely relevant questions everyone is asking, they should be put to the Federal Government.”Victoria is not happy with the feds.
The official stance is:
“Don’t do it unless you have to. And if you have to do it, try not to do it much.”
ah the Sweden defence, we can’t force people to do or not to do anything, carry on
Well, that is the DHHS (Victoria) rules. But don’t Feds trump states in most things. It’s probably quite complicated.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:The official stance is:
“Don’t do it unless you have to. And if you have to do it, try not to do it much.”
ah the Sweden defence, we can’t force people to do or not to do anything, carry on
Well, that is the DHHS (Victoria) rules. But don’t Feds trump states in most things. It’s probably quite complicated.
Feds are happy to do nothing and let the states take the blame.
Worst countries in the world for Covid, weekly update.
Paraguay has taken over from Uraguay as the worst country.
Bahrain is a totally unexpected entry at number 3. It’s been moving up the charts, previous week it was number 9.
Argentina, Trinidad, Columbia, Brazil, Macedonia not much change – still a horror situation there.
Suriname at number 6 is up from number 14 in the previous week.
The good news is that Hungary and Bulgaria, worst and second worst in the world just 5 weeks ago, are no longer high risk.
Watch (the hell) out for the spread of covid out of Bahrain into neighbouring countries.

Daily deaths in Bahrain

Weekly rankings of worst Covid countries.

maybe this could be an opportunity to deliver more technology to regional / remote areas and run events online
(on the other hand, https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/jbs-meatworks-across-australia-us-canada-hit-by-cyber-attack/100178310 so maybe online is not so safe)
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Mr Merlino is talking at the moment. He was asked about workers in aged care working in different facilities. “I might ask the Minister for Health to add to the comments I have made, it’s a very simple proposition. Public sector aged care, state responsibility we have clear policies in place that has made sure workers don’t work across sites, private sector aged care is a Federal Government responsibility, these are absolutely relevant questions everyone is asking, they should be put to the Federal Government.”Victoria is not happy with the feds.
The official stance is:
“Don’t do it unless you have to. And if you have to do it, try not to do it much.”
ah the Sweden defence, we can’t force people to do or not to do anything, carry on
“ I mean who do you think we are? The government? With a huge coercive apparatus? We’re already using that to drug test disability support pensioners.”
Authoritarian Scare Tactics
South Australia’s Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier has warned that coronavirus cases linked to the Victorian outbreak could be circulating undetected in the SA community, after a drop-off in the number of daily tests.
Time For Fascist-Communist Era Style And Canary Rewards
Weed Out Those Victorians Now
Speaking of Victorians there’s so much hedging here the place looks like a palace of that era.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/victoria-covid-lockdown-when-will-it-end-extended/100178862
When asked if the lockdown could be extended, Acting Premier James Merlino repeated that things could get worse before they get better. “So I want to be clear with people that the next few days are going to be so critically important, and that includes the possibility that this outbreak will get worse before it gets better.”
When asked if he had any advice for people planning to get married on the weekend, Mr Merlino said it was too early to say. “Whether you are talking about regional Victoria, whether you are talking about schools … or private events that are being planed, the messages is the same, it’s too early to speculate. This is a day by day proposition.”
Mr Merlino said lifting the lockdown would not just be based on the case numbers. “All of those things are taken into account by the public health team in terms of when they’re confident to provide advice to government that we can then go towards some easings of restrictions.”
Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the trajectory of the outbreak remained a day-by-day proposition. “These are concerning numbers. These are concerning settings,” he said. “It’s been a rapidly moving virus, and the transmission that’s occurred in those high-risk settings has been very substantial, so we have to take it as a day-by-day prospect. “We have to prepare for anything. We don’t know what will unfold in coming days.”
When asked if the “ring of steel” to separate metropolitan Melbourne from regional Victoria would be reintroduced, Professor Sutton said, “It’s all to be determined”. “It is not out of the question. It is not locked in,” he said, noting once again that everything was being reviewed on a daily basis.
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In case anyone missed it we guess (1) it’s too early to say and (2) they’re taking it day by day.
Another few advantages of Not-In-CBD-Camp-Based Quarantine
Northern Territory police say they are investigating a COVID-19 quarantine breach in Alice Springs after two women allegedly absconded from supervised quarantine into a waiting getaway car. Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker said the two sisters, aged 19 and 22, were able to escape from the Todd Facility by “abseiling” from their room.
“I can say they were up on the first floor. They managed to abseil down and work through that, and then up and over a fence to head off,” he said. “That’s something that’s very deeply concerning, again noting this is not a prison. This is a place where people should know they’re going there to protect the greater health of all the people who live in the Northern Territory.” He said the women then entered a waiting vehicle and drove directly to their mother’s house.
Police say one of the sisters was directed back into quarantine after their mother alerted authorities, but the other, who was with her boyfriend, was initially uncooperative when directed to return. Both sisters, alongside their mother and the boyfriend, have now been directed into mandatory supervised quarantine.
Commissioner Chalker criticised the behaviour and said — given all four people will now be billed for quarantine — that it would turn out to be costly. The women have also been handed fines of more than $5,000 each.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/alice-springs-todd-facility-covid-quarantine-breach/100178616
If the toilets are using P traps and can leak air under certain conditions then that is a transmission path for aerosols from sewage pipes into the air in the toilet room or bathroom.
Tau.Neutrino said:
If the toilets are using P traps and can leak air under certain conditions then that is a transmission path for aerosols from sewage pipes into the air in the toilet room or bathroom.
Only a design change can fix that.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If the toilets are using P traps and can leak air under certain conditions then that is a transmission path for aerosols from sewage pipes into the air in the toilet room or bathroom.Only a design change can fix that.
The quarantine centre will have to monitor their sewage system and regularly flush their sewage system to keep any positive outbreaks under control.
They could benefit from separating the administration sewage from the residents sewage.
^
I have a theory on how the virus escaped from the Wuhan Lab.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9634973/Covid-19-Australia-Melbourne-restaurant-denies-hosting-freedom-fighters-lockdown-protest.html
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If the toilets are using P traps and can leak air under certain conditions then that is a transmission path for aerosols from sewage pipes into the air in the toilet room or bathroom.Only a design change can fix that.
The quarantine centre will have to monitor their sewage system and regularly flush their sewage system to keep any positive outbreaks under control.
They could benefit from separating the administration sewage from the residents sewage.
Imagine one resident testing positive.
Some conditions arise in their sewage system.
Then are transmissible paths for COVID to other residents trying to quarantine themselves in a dirty environment.
If the COVID escaped from the Wuhan Lab via leaky air toilets then everyone will have to reconsider toilet design in any virus lab to meet the stringent quarantine requirements of keeping transmissible viruses under containment including sewage systems.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Only a design change can fix that.
The quarantine centre will have to monitor their sewage system and regularly flush their sewage system to keep any positive outbreaks under control.
They could benefit from separating the administration sewage from the residents sewage.
Imagine one resident testing positive.
Some conditions arise in their sewage system.
Then are transmissible paths for COVID to other residents trying to quarantine themselves in a dirty environment.
Then there are transmissible paths….
I would also separate sewage systems in prisons from administration and inmates.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The quarantine centre will have to monitor their sewage system and regularly flush their sewage system to keep any positive outbreaks under control.
They could benefit from separating the administration sewage from the residents sewage.
Imagine one resident testing positive.
Some conditions arise in their sewage system.
Then are transmissible paths for COVID to other residents trying to quarantine themselves in a dirty environment.
Then there are transmissible paths….
And Shining Paths.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Imagine one resident testing positive.
Some conditions arise in their sewage system.
Then are transmissible paths for COVID to other residents trying to quarantine themselves in a dirty environment.
Then there are transmissible paths….
And Shining Paths.
and the pathless trodden.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Imagine one resident testing positive.
Some conditions arise in their sewage system.
Then are transmissible paths for COVID to other residents trying to quarantine themselves in a dirty environment.
Then there are transmissible paths….
And Shining Paths.
Polished Covid Artwork?
It could work as a multiple abstract art installation.
Someone will do it.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Then there are transmissible paths….
And Shining Paths.
and the pathless trodden.
we’re sure there are recriminations all around, and we’re sure Australia is proud to not be able to take quite the level of decisive action that these communists can
Vietnam says it plans to test all 9 million people in its largest city for the coronavirus and has imposed more restrictions to deal with a growing COVID-19 outbreak. State newspaper Vietnam News said the city authority is planning to test its entire population with a testing capacity of 100,000 samples a day.
but
Vietnam has vaccinated 1 million people with AstraZeneca shots. It has a deal with Pfizer for 30 million doses to be delivered later this year. It is also in talks with Moderna that would give it enough shots to fully vaccinate 80 per cent of its 96 million people.
with all the banging on about “it’s a race” “it’sn’t a race” “old people who don’t want to die of unusual clots are stupid and selfish”
imagine a world where people who were able to protect each other in their own countries, perhaps by being careful with infection control, were able to free up earlier vaccine doses for other places that actually needed them
maybe we should be fucking thankful for places like Vietnam for keeping the disease out for as long as they have, and similarly still recognise that the best way to shut down the disease is good preventative infection control, with vaccines being only a safety wire until access to them is widespread
Tau.Neutrino said:
If the COVID escaped from the Wuhan Lab via leaky air toilets then everyone will have to reconsider toilet design in any virus lab to meet the stringent quarantine requirements of keeping transmissible viruses under containment including sewage systems.
Another possibility is say if someone got the virus at the Wuhan lab and then the person used toilets elsewhere say a shopping centre and then home which might be an apartment building and the virus gets in that sewage system and starts spreading.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If the COVID escaped from the Wuhan Lab via leaky air toilets then everyone will have to reconsider toilet design in any virus lab to meet the stringent quarantine requirements of keeping transmissible viruses under containment including sewage systems.Another possibility is say if someone got the virus at the Wuhan lab and then the person used toilets elsewhere say a shopping centre and then home which might be an apartment building and the virus gets in that sewage system and starts spreading.
Step away from the bong Sir…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If the COVID escaped from the Wuhan Lab via leaky air toilets then everyone will have to reconsider toilet design in any virus lab to meet the stringent quarantine requirements of keeping transmissible viruses under containment including sewage systems.Another possibility is say if someone got the virus at the Wuhan lab and then the person used toilets elsewhere say a shopping centre and then home which might be an apartment building and the virus gets in that sewage system and starts spreading.
Maybe there is a need to monitor and flush sewage systems as required by COVID levels in sewage?
Many buildings can have hundreds to thousands of people in them.
If people work in a virus lab and then go home taking a virus with them.
Then it might an idea to have virus detectors, in the basin or toilet or both for workers at their place of residence.
Tau.Neutrino said:
If people work in a virus lab and then go home taking a virus with them.Then it might an idea to have virus detectors, in the basin or toilet or both for workers at their place of residence.
It’s not pleasant, but transition points (from hot to warm, or warm to cold) zones in CBR incidents are very cheap and easy to set up. A garden hose and a couple of sprinklers in a temporary structure is enough to get a person clean, if they’re reasonably careful with the soap.
I think you will find there’s millions of healthcare workers around the world entering their house via the laundry, where they will strip, throw their clothes in the washing machine, and go straight to showering.
Rule 303 said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If people work in a virus lab and then go home taking a virus with them.Then it might an idea to have virus detectors, in the basin or toilet or both for workers at their place of residence.
It’s not pleasant, but transition points (from hot to warm, or warm to cold) zones in CBR incidents are very cheap and easy to set up. A garden hose and a couple of sprinklers in a temporary structure is enough to get a person clean, if they’re reasonably careful with the soap.
I think you will find there’s millions of healthcare workers around the world entering their house via the laundry, where they will strip, throw their clothes in the washing machine, and go straight to showering.
Yes, that’s for viruses on their clothing.
but for for viruses that a lab worker might get on their face, or they wipe their hands on it, then it gets into their body, then once in their body and it then enter sewage systems.
China has a lot of dense living apartment areas.
Note that the Wuhan lab is a multi story building that would have a connected sewage system across different levels.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Rule 303 said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
If people work in a virus lab and then go home taking a virus with them.Then it might an idea to have virus detectors, in the basin or toilet or both for workers at their place of residence.
It’s not pleasant, but transition points (from hot to warm, or warm to cold) zones in CBR incidents are very cheap and easy to set up. A garden hose and a couple of sprinklers in a temporary structure is enough to get a person clean, if they’re reasonably careful with the soap.
I think you will find there’s millions of healthcare workers around the world entering their house via the laundry, where they will strip, throw their clothes in the washing machine, and go straight to showering.
Yes, that’s for viruses on their clothing.
but for for viruses that a lab worker might get on their face, or they wipe their hands on it, then it gets into their body, then once in their body and it then enter sewage systems.
China has a lot of dense living apartment areas.
Note that the Wuhan lab is a multi story building that would have a connected sewage system across different levels.
What about it getting into the sewerage system (via faeces), then infecting a sewage worker?
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Rule 303 said:It’s not pleasant, but transition points (from hot to warm, or warm to cold) zones in CBR incidents are very cheap and easy to set up. A garden hose and a couple of sprinklers in a temporary structure is enough to get a person clean, if they’re reasonably careful with the soap.
I think you will find there’s millions of healthcare workers around the world entering their house via the laundry, where they will strip, throw their clothes in the washing machine, and go straight to showering.
Yes, that’s for viruses on their clothing.
but for for viruses that a lab worker might get on their face, or they wipe their hands on it, then it gets into their body, then once in their body and it then enter sewage systems.
China has a lot of dense living apartment areas.
Note that the Wuhan lab is a multi story building that would have a connected sewage system across different levels.
What about it getting into the sewerage system (via faeces), then infecting a sewage worker?
There is a range of different bacteria that can live in faeces and a range of viruses that also live in faeces.
But for how long and which ones they are I dont know.
The concentration of the COVID virus would at its highest at its point of origin then it diminishes has it extends outward in distance.
The chance of someone getting it at its point of origin are high and the chance of getting it 50 Km away are low.

Rule 303 said:
And vaccination status.
Maybe for quarantine centres and prisons, automated virus detector systems could flush the sewage system to disperse any build-up of shredded viruses.
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-lab-leak-theory-of-covid-19-may-be-possible-but-that-doesn-t-make-it-likely
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-lab-leak-theory-of-covid-19-may-be-possible-but-that-doesn-t-make-it-likely
It’s not likely.
On the other hand, China seems determined to prevent any investigation or disclosure which would put the hypothesis to rest.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-lab-leak-theory-of-covid-19-may-be-possible-but-that-doesn-t-make-it-likely
It’s not likely.
On the other hand, China seems determined to prevent any investigation or disclosure which would put the hypothesis to rest.
Which of course opens the door to imply guilt.
Why does vic suck so hard at containing outbreaks?
“ Melbourne’s hopes of emerging from a seven day “circuit-breaker” lockdown are starting to fade now that coronavirus has once again spread to aged care facilities.”
poikilotherm said:
Why does vic suck so hard at containing outbreaks?“ Melbourne’s hopes of emerging from a seven day “circuit-breaker” lockdown are starting to fade now that coronavirus has once again spread to aged care facilities.”
The virus is so wildly infectious that normal human error rates allow it to keep spreading, is the best explanation I have. Even highly motivated and focused people, in a highly regulated environment, make simple mistakes.
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Why does vic suck so hard at containing outbreaks?“ Melbourne’s hopes of emerging from a seven day “circuit-breaker” lockdown are starting to fade now that coronavirus has once again spread to aged care facilities.”
The virus is so wildly infectious that normal human error rates allow it to keep spreading, is the best explanation I have. Even highly motivated and focused people, in a highly regulated environment, make simple mistakes.
Indeed.
The US has reached 50% first dose vaccine coverage.
poikilotherm said:
The US has reached 50% first dose vaccine coverage.
What a difference a Biden makes. (Can we give him the credit for getting on with it?)
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
The US has reached 50% first dose vaccine coverage.
What a difference a Biden makes. (Can we give him the credit for getting on with it?)
I’d say we can. But then Trump reckons….
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/01/a-dogs-breakfast-where-the-australian-government-went-wrong-with-its-aged-care-covid-response
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-lab-leak-theory-of-covid-19-may-be-possible-but-that-doesn-t-make-it-likely
What are they talking about?
If it isn’t a ridiculous conspiracy theory it must be 100% certainly true, mustn’t it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-lab-leak-theory-of-covid-19-may-be-possible-but-that-doesn-t-make-it-likely
What are they talking about?
If it isn’t a ridiculous conspiracy theory it must be 100% certainly true, mustn’t it?
Could be both!
Dark Orange said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-lab-leak-theory-of-covid-19-may-be-possible-but-that-doesn-t-make-it-likely
What are they talking about?
If it isn’t a ridiculous conspiracy theory it must be 100% certainly true, mustn’t it?
Could be both!
Good point!
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Why does vic suck so hard at containing outbreaks?“ Melbourne’s hopes of emerging from a seven day “circuit-breaker” lockdown are starting to fade now that coronavirus has once again spread to aged care facilities.”
The virus is so wildly infectious that normal human error rates allow it to keep spreading, is the best explanation I have. Even highly motivated and focused people, in a highly regulated environment, make simple mistakes.
In another forum I asked the question “Why Melbourne?”, and the common consensus was “It’s a virus that spreads through close being in enclosed spaces and social physical contact, and some cultures have difficulty with forgoing those social norms”.
Well, what they actually said was “Indians”.
Dark Orange said:
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Why does vic suck so hard at containing outbreaks?“ Melbourne’s hopes of emerging from a seven day “circuit-breaker” lockdown are starting to fade now that coronavirus has once again spread to aged care facilities.”
The virus is so wildly infectious that normal human error rates allow it to keep spreading, is the best explanation I have. Even highly motivated and focused people, in a highly regulated environment, make simple mistakes.
In another forum I asked the question “Why Melbourne?”, and the common consensus was “It’s a virus that spreads through close being in enclosed spaces and social physical contact, and some cultures have difficulty with forgoing those social norms”.
Well, what they actually said was “Indians”.
and Greek, and Italian…
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:
Rule 303 said:The virus is so wildly infectious that normal human error rates allow it to keep spreading, is the best explanation I have. Even highly motivated and focused people, in a highly regulated environment, make simple mistakes.
In another forum I asked the question “Why Melbourne?”, and the common consensus was “It’s a virus that spreads through close being in enclosed spaces and social physical contact, and some cultures have difficulty with forgoing those social norms”.
Well, what they actually said was “Indians”.
and Greek, and Italian…
Thought there was a Lebanese meatworks too?
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:In another forum I asked the question “Why Melbourne?”, and the common consensus was “It’s a virus that spreads through close being in enclosed spaces and social physical contact, and some cultures have difficulty with forgoing those social norms”.
Well, what they actually said was “Indians”.
and Greek, and Italian…
Thought there was a Lebanese meatworks too?
And AFL fans.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:and Greek, and Italian…
Thought there was a Lebanese meatworks too?
And AFL fans.
Collingwood.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:In another forum I asked the question “Why Melbourne?”, and the common consensus was “It’s a virus that spreads through close being in enclosed spaces and social physical contact, and some cultures have difficulty with forgoing those social norms”.
Well, what they actually said was “Indians”.
and Greek, and Italian…
Thought there was a Lebanese meatworks too?
Some of those who commented work in the health system, and one particular culture was singled out.
“the authors are quoted as saying that they have found “unique fingerprints” in the virus that could only have been created in a lab.”
Well there yer go.. evil commie bastards..
Victoria announces fast-tracking of COVID vaccinations for aged care and disability workers
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-01/covid-19-vaccines-fast-tracked-for-disability-aged-care-workers/100181410
Ya think this would have been something that was put in place as soon as vaccines became available.
Apparently I am eligible for Pfizer, but the GP can give me no ETA.
party_pants said:
Apparently I am eligible for Pfizer, but the GP can give me no ETA.
The aged care worker had had a Pfizer shot.
party_pants said:
Apparently I am eligible for Pfizer, but the GP can give me no ETA.
You can if you have the spare time (assuming you can get into the hospital) go to RPH near the end of the day and see if they have leftovers.
They give them to anyone rather than waste them, I got mine on a cancellation as Mrs Cymek works there and let me know.
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Apparently I am eligible for Pfizer, but the GP can give me no ETA.
You can if you have the spare time (assuming you can get into the hospital) go to RPH near the end of the day and see if they have leftovers.
They give them to anyone rather than waste them, I got mine on a cancellation as Mrs Cymek works there and let me know.
Did that at the local hospital, got some meatloaf.
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Apparently I am eligible for Pfizer, but the GP can give me no ETA.
You can if you have the spare time (assuming you can get into the hospital) go to RPH near the end of the day and see if they have leftovers.
They give them to anyone rather than waste them, I got mine on a cancellation as Mrs Cymek works there and let me know.
Did that at the local hospital, got some meatloaf.
On a stick or cd?
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:You can if you have the spare time (assuming you can get into the hospital) go to RPH near the end of the day and see if they have leftovers.
They give them to anyone rather than waste them, I got mine on a cancellation as Mrs Cymek works there and let me know.
Did that at the local hospital, got some meatloaf.
On a stick or cd?
well past its use-by date in either case.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:Did that at the local hospital, got some meatloaf.
On a stick or cd?
well past its use-by date in either case.
Well that left a sour note.
sibeen said:
Victoria announces fast-tracking of COVID vaccinations for aged care and disability workershttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-01/covid-19-vaccines-fast-tracked-for-disability-aged-care-workers/100181410
Ya think this would have been something that was put in place as soon as vaccines became available.
Oi!! I mentioned this a while ago!
Date: 1/06/2021 13:09:52
From: buffy
ID: 1745596
Subject: re: Chat June 21
(OK, probably shouldn’t have done it in Chat…)
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Why does vic suck so hard at containing outbreaks?“ Melbourne’s hopes of emerging from a seven day “circuit-breaker” lockdown are starting to fade now that coronavirus has once again spread to aged care facilities.”
The virus is so wildly infectious that normal human error rates allow it to keep spreading, is the best explanation I have. Even highly motivated and focused people, in a highly regulated environment, make simple mistakes.
Indeed that does seem to be the implication when they say
Victorian health authorities say they are concerned about transmission of COVID-19 through “fleeting” encounters, as the state records three new locally acquired cases of the virus.
at
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Because of an upswing in corona cases in Argentina and Columbia the Copa America football championship has been moved to……………Brazil.
LOL
Only three out of 13 Commonwealth pop-up clinics have opened, and none in Victoria
By Rachel Clun
Back to senate estimates in Canberra. At the end of April, the Department of Health said 13 special pop-up clinics would be opened up to help vaccinate aged care and disability support workers.
So far, three of those clinics have been opened up – and all three are in NSW.
COVID vaccine maker Pfizer has warned Australians not to try to buy its vaccine via the internet amid fears consumers could fall prey to cyber criminals selling counterfeit coronavirus shots.
The US pharmaceutical company has told a joint parliamentary committee review of vaccine security risks in Australia that because of the pandemic, “there will be an increase in the prevalence of fraud, counterfeit and other illicit activity as it relates to vaccines and treatments for COVID-19”.
—
slightly Interesting but you’d think Australia is well regulated enough that nobody’s going to be that foolish
SCIENCE said:
LOLOnly three out of 13 Commonwealth pop-up clinics have opened, and none in Victoria
By Rachel Clun
Back to senate estimates in Canberra. At the end of April, the Department of Health said 13 special pop-up clinics would be opened up to help vaccinate aged care and disability support workers.So far, three of those clinics have been opened up – and all three are in NSW.
You’ve got to hand it to NSW, they’re doing a sterling job.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
LOLOnly three out of 13 Commonwealth pop-up clinics have opened, and none in Victoria
By Rachel Clun
Back to senate estimates in Canberra. At the end of April, the Department of Health said 13 special pop-up clinics would be opened up to help vaccinate aged care and disability support workers.So far, three of those clinics have been opened up – and all three are in NSW.
You’ve got to hand it to NSW, they’re doing a sterling job.
And when they do get an outbreak they don’t panic and shut the state down they isolate it and do what needs to be done, they don’t start yelling and screaming that it’s everybody else’s fault, they just deal with it and move on.
It gives the punters a good deal of comfort.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
LOLOnly three out of 13 Commonwealth pop-up clinics have opened, and none in Victoria
By Rachel Clun
Back to senate estimates in Canberra. At the end of April, the Department of Health said 13 special pop-up clinics would be opened up to help vaccinate aged care and disability support workers.So far, three of those clinics have been opened up – and all three are in NSW.
You’ve got to hand it to NSW, they’re doing a sterling job.
And when they do get an outbreak they don’t panic and shut the state down they isolate it and do what needs to be done, they don’t start yelling and screaming that it’s everybody else’s fault, they just deal with it and move on.
It gives the punters a good deal of comfort.
Which NSW are we talking about here?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:You’ve got to hand it to NSW, they’re doing a sterling job.
And when they do get an outbreak they don’t panic and shut the state down they isolate it and do what needs to be done, they don’t start yelling and screaming that it’s everybody else’s fault, they just deal with it and move on.
It gives the punters a good deal of comfort.
Which NSW are we talking about here?
I think it was named after a rum issue, it’s nothing like south Wales.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:And when they do get an outbreak they don’t panic and shut the state down they isolate it and do what needs to be done, they don’t start yelling and screaming that it’s everybody else’s fault, they just deal with it and move on.
It gives the punters a good deal of comfort.
Which NSW are we talking about here?
I think it was named after a rum issue, it’s nothing like south Wales.
What do you mean?
It’s got lots of coal mines and people who sing too loud, too often, and out of tune.
Just like South Wales.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
LOLOnly three out of 13 Commonwealth pop-up clinics have opened, and none in Victoria
By Rachel Clun
Back to senate estimates in Canberra. At the end of April, the Department of Health said 13 special pop-up clinics would be opened up to help vaccinate aged care and disability support workers.So far, three of those clinics have been opened up – and all three are in NSW.
You’ve got to hand it to NSW, they’re doing a sterling job.
Despite the commonwealth?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Which NSW are we talking about here?
I think it was named after a rum issue, it’s nothing like south Wales.
What do you mean?
It’s got lots of coal mines and people who sing too loud, too often, and out of tune.
Just like South Wales.
In 2000 I found myself in a pub in Wales when a rugby international started on the Tele, when the Welsh national anthem started everybody stood up and started singing, they can sing boyo.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
LOLOnly three out of 13 Commonwealth pop-up clinics have opened, and none in Victoria
By Rachel Clun
Back to senate estimates in Canberra. At the end of April, the Department of Health said 13 special pop-up clinics would be opened up to help vaccinate aged care and disability support workers.So far, three of those clinics have been opened up – and all three are in NSW.
You’ve got to hand it to NSW, they’re doing a sterling job.
It’s not what you know, but who you know, that’s for sure.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
LOLOnly three out of 13 Commonwealth pop-up clinics have opened, and none in Victoria
By Rachel Clun
Back to senate estimates in Canberra. At the end of April, the Department of Health said 13 special pop-up clinics would be opened up to help vaccinate aged care and disability support workers.So far, three of those clinics have been opened up – and all three are in NSW.
You’ve got to hand it to NSW, they’re doing a sterling job.
It’s not what you know, but who you know, that’s for sure.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Which NSW are we talking about here?
I think it was named after a rum issue, it’s nothing like south Wales.
What do you mean?
It’s got lots of coal mines and people who sing too loud, too often, and out of tune.
Just like South Wales.
And gum trees.
I year ago.
sobs
Has anyone got COVID from flatulence from someone Covid positive?
Suddenly masks have more meaning!
Oh dear. Again.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has anyone got COVID from flatulence from someone Covid positive?Suddenly masks have more meaning!
Are you on some sort of 3 day bender?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has anyone got COVID from flatulence from someone Covid positive?Suddenly masks have more meaning!
Airbourne “Aerosols” can stay in the air for hours
Runs away.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has anyone got COVID from flatulence from someone Covid positive?Suddenly masks have more meaning!
Are you on some sort of 3 day bender?
S-bender.
Another person has been infected with COVID-19 while staying in a Perth quarantine hotel and authorities are urgently investigating how it took place.
LOL
SCIENCE said:
Another person has been infected with COVID-19 while staying in a Perth quarantine hotel and authorities are urgently investigating how it took place.LOL
Saw that.
does this fucking Prick Marketing actually do or take responsibility for anything
—
“Does the Prime Minister still say that vaccinating all Australians, including aged care residents and workers, is, to quote him, ‘not a race’?” Mr Albanese asked during Question Time. Mr Morrison said he was merely quoting someone else. “The reference to ‘not a race’ was first said by the Secretary of the Department of Health, Professor Brendan Murphy,” the Prime Minister said.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/third-covid-19-wave-is-ebbing-fast-sweden-expert-says-2021-05-27/
>>The country has administered 4.9 million vaccine shots, with 44.3% of the adult population having received one dose. Some 15.7% are fully vaccinated.<<
buffy said:
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/third-covid-19-wave-is-ebbing-fast-sweden-expert-says-2021-05-27/>>The country has administered 4.9 million vaccine shots, with 44.3% of the adult population having received one dose. Some 15.7% are fully vaccinated.<<
wait we thought the better way to achieve Flock Immunity was to Let It Rip for The Economy Must Grow what happened
If you like a blow-by-blow commentary here it’s starting.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-01/victorian-talks-underway-to-extend-lockdown/100183038
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Another person has been infected with COVID-19 while staying in a Perth quarantine hotel and authorities are urgently investigating how it took place.LOL
Saw that.
The Health Department confirmed the virus was transmitted between two guests in neighbouring rooms at the Pan Pacific Hotel. Genome sequencing data confirmed they had the same sequence of virus.
well go on then news media, tell us which variant it was
also remember how it took 13 years to sequence humans, at first it seems amazing how we can just casually sequence a virus on a stroll down to the laboratory now
but then you realise the virus is 100000 times smaller so if we were doing things at the same rate it should take … an hour … anyway so it’s basically the same
Singapore is moving to vaccinate students against COVID-19 after a spate of transmissions in schools and learning centres.
Pardon¿ We thought all the geniuses worldwide were saying that schools were safe, children don’t COVID-19, all that shit, for the past 15 months¿ Oh that’s right, Singapore must be exceptional, ASIANS must be exceptional¡ That’s why they can do eliminations like this but the rest of the world has to Live With COVID-19¡

SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Another person has been infected with COVID-19 while staying in a Perth quarantine hotel and authorities are urgently investigating how it took place.LOL
Saw that.
The Health Department confirmed the virus was transmitted between two guests in neighbouring rooms at the Pan Pacific Hotel. Genome sequencing data confirmed they had the same sequence of virus.
well go on then news media, tell us which variant it was
also remember how it took 13 years to sequence humans, at first it seems amazing how we can just casually sequence a virus on a stroll down to the laboratory now
but then you realise the virus is 100000 times smaller so if we were doing things at the same rate it should take … an hour … anyway so it’s basically the same
Oh no. There has been a massive improvement of gene sequencing technology over the last 30 years. The 13 years and a billion dollars is now down to a couple of hours for under USD 1000. Something like a 10 million fold improvement. If Covid had hit before 2010 we wouldn’t have been so good with the sequencing as we are today.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-01/singapore-vaccine-outbreak-students-coronavirus-variants-sea/100181056Singapore is moving to vaccinate students against COVID-19 after a spate of transmissions in schools and learning centres.
Pardon¿ We thought all the geniuses worldwide were saying that schools were safe, children don’t COVID-19, all that shit, for the past 15 months¿ Oh that’s right, Singapore must be exceptional, ASIANS must be exceptional¡ That’s why they can do eliminations like this but the rest of the world has to Live With COVID-19¡
All the evidence still suggests that teenagers and children pass on Covid less than adults but neither has it ever been suggested that this transmission is zero.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Another person has been infected with COVID-19 while staying in a Perth quarantine hotel and authorities are urgently investigating how it took place.LOL
Saw that.
The Health Department confirmed the virus was transmitted between two guests in neighbouring rooms at the Pan Pacific Hotel. Genome sequencing data confirmed they had the same sequence of virus.
well go on then news media, tell us which variant it was
also remember how it took 13 years to sequence humans, at first it seems amazing how we can just casually sequence a virus on a stroll down to the laboratory now
but then you realise the virus is 100000 times smaller so if we were doing things at the same rate it should take … an hour … anyway so it’s basically the same
Can get a whole human genome in 2-7 business days now with high accuracy. Apparently the machinery takes around 19 hours or so.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-01/singapore-vaccine-outbreak-students-coronavirus-variants-sea/100181056Singapore is moving to vaccinate students against COVID-19 after a spate of transmissions in schools and learning centres.
Pardon¿ We thought all the geniuses worldwide were saying that schools were safe, children don’t COVID-19, all that shit, for the past 15 months¿ Oh that’s right, Singapore must be exceptional, ASIANS must be exceptional¡ That’s why they can do eliminations like this but the rest of the world has to Live With COVID-19¡
They used the sneaky no evidence defence in NSW…
“There’s no evidence that kids spread the disease, so back to school”
At the time, they were right…because most schools had been shutdown during the peak in NSW.
yes yes we know, the HGP was a worldwide effort, a SARS-CoV-2 can be done these minutes in a single desktop machine
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Saw that.
The Health Department confirmed the virus was transmitted between two guests in neighbouring rooms at the Pan Pacific Hotel. Genome sequencing data confirmed they had the same sequence of virus.
well go on then news media, tell us which variant it was
also remember how it took 13 years to sequence humans, at first it seems amazing how we can just casually sequence a virus on a stroll down to the laboratory now
but then you realise the virus is 100000 times smaller so if we were doing things at the same rate it should take … an hour … anyway so it’s basically the same
Oh no. There has been a massive improvement of gene sequencing technology over the last 30 years. The 13 years and a billion dollars is now down to a couple of hours for under USD 1000. Something like a 10 million fold improvement. If Covid had hit before 2010 we wouldn’t have been so good with the sequencing as we are today.
It’s actually about $647 AUD for a whole genome. Can even buy your own bench top sequencing kits if you desire for ~$2k.
Witty Rejoinder said:
teenagers and children pass on Covid less than adults but neither has it ever been suggested that this transmission is zero.
¡ beware those universal quantifiers !
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:teenagers and children pass on Covid less than adults but neither has it ever been suggested that this transmission is zero.
¡ beware those universal quantifiers !
poikilotherm said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:The Health Department confirmed the virus was transmitted between two guests in neighbouring rooms at the Pan Pacific Hotel. Genome sequencing data confirmed they had the same sequence of virus.
well go on then news media, tell us which variant it was
also remember how it took 13 years to sequence humans, at first it seems amazing how we can just casually sequence a virus on a stroll down to the laboratory now
but then you realise the virus is 100000 times smaller so if we were doing things at the same rate it should take … an hour … anyway so it’s basically the same
Oh no. There has been a massive improvement of gene sequencing technology over the last 30 years. The 13 years and a billion dollars is now down to a couple of hours for under USD 1000. Something like a 10 million fold improvement. If Covid had hit before 2010 we wouldn’t have been so good with the sequencing as we are today.
It’s actually about $647 AUD for a whole genome. Can even buy your own bench top sequencing kits if you desire for ~$2k.
It is amazing really. One of those real turning points in technology, but has largely escaped the public attention.
we didn’t go so can’t corroborate the truth but this might be a useful pattern

party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:
party_pants said:Oh no. There has been a massive improvement of gene sequencing technology over the last 30 years. The 13 years and a billion dollars is now down to a couple of hours for under USD 1000. Something like a 10 million fold improvement. If Covid had hit before 2010 we wouldn’t have been so good with the sequencing as we are today.
It’s actually about $647 AUD for a whole genome. Can even buy your own bench top sequencing kits if you desire for ~$2k.
It is amazing really. One of those real turning points in technology, but has largely escaped the public attention.
But may not be as useful as the hype suggests. It’s definitely got uses, but there is a lot more working out to do yet of how it actually works. Correlation is not causation is rather relevent.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:It’s actually about $647 AUD for a whole genome. Can even buy your own bench top sequencing kits if you desire for ~$2k.
It is amazing really. One of those real turning points in technology, but has largely escaped the public attention.
But may not be as useful as the hype suggests. It’s definitely got uses, but there is a lot more working out to do yet of how it actually works. Correlation is not causation is rather relevent.
How the genome works? What correlation/causation?
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:party_pants said:It is amazing really. One of those real turning points in technology, but has largely escaped the public attention.But may not be as useful as the hype suggests. It’s definitely got uses, but there is a lot more working out to do yet of how it actually works. Correlation is not causation is rather relevent.
How the genome works? What correlation/causation?
dramatic improvements in technology since the collapse of the Soviet Union probably have nothing to do with it
buffy said:
party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:It’s actually about $647 AUD for a whole genome. Can even buy your own bench top sequencing kits if you desire for ~$2k.
It is amazing really. One of those real turning points in technology, but has largely escaped the public attention.
But may not be as useful as the hype suggests. It’s definitely got uses, but there is a lot more working out to do yet of how it actually works. Correlation is not causation is rather relevent.
I am very interested in the study of ancient and historical human genomes, collected from archaeological samples. Some really fascinating work being on on the history of human diseases too, like various waves of plague that have troubled humanity. Identifying strains of y pestis for example and waves of black death. Really fascinating stuff.
All viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, change over time. Most changes have little to no impact on the virus’ properties. However, some changes may affect the virus’s properties, such as how easily it spreads, the associated disease severity, or the performance of vaccines, therapeutic medicines, diagnostic tools, or other public health and social measures.
The established nomenclature systems for naming and tracking SARS-CoV-2 genetic lineages by GISAID, Nextstrain and Pango are currently and will remain in use by scientists and in scientific research. To assist with public discussions of variants, WHO convened a group of scientists from the WHO Virus Evolution Working Group, the WHO COVID-19 reference laboratory network, representatives from GISAID, Nextstrain, Pango and additional experts in virological, microbial nomenclature and communication from several countries and agencies to consider easy-to-pronounce and non-stigmatising labels for VOI and VOC. At the present time, this expert group convened by WHO has recommended using labeled using letters of the Greek Alphabet, i.e., Alpha, Beta, Gamma, which will be easier and more practical to discussed by non-scientific audiences.
https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/
Today WHO has announced a new naming system for key #COVID19 variants. The labels are based on the Greek alphabet (i.e. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, etc), making them simple, easy to say and remember.
Today, @WHO announces new, easy-to-say labels for #SARSCoV2 Variants of Concern (VOCs) & Interest (VOIs)
They will not replace existing scientific names, but are aimed to help in public discussion of VOI/VOC
LOL
Victoria’s COVID lockdown likely to be extended over rapid spread of the virus
Victoria is strongly considering extending the seven-day lockdown due to end at 11:59 on Thursday amid growing fears about rapid transmission in settings never seen before.
Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said on Tuesday night that the virus was moving “faster than any other strain we’ve dealt with.”
Key points:
More…
Rule 303 said:
LOL
Health authorities say a confirmed COVID-19 case from Melbourne travelled to several areas of NSW while potentially infectious, including Jervis Bay on the south coast and Goulburn in the southern tablelands.
Not so LOL
The person, who reported the onset of symptoms on May 25, drove back to Melbourne on May 24 and got tested on May 31. Victoria’s stay-at-home measures took effect on May 27.
Sorry wrong thread.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-02/covid-19-aged-care-vaccination-roll-out-blame-game/100181486
LOL
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:PermeateFree said:The Indian variant is spreading. Anyone know how the UK’s vaccines are coping with this aspect?
The UK’s rate of new cases has just about doubled over the last week, from around 2000 cases per day last week to around 4000 in the last few days. They seem to be mostly the new Indian variant, but the Government are being a bit coy about that. Just when they are starting to ease restrictions too.
A few EU countries have now slapped travel bans on the UK because of “variant of concern” issues.
Flights from India are still landing in the UK, despite the country being red listed.
it’s coming back down
The UK also recorded 3,165 new positive cases in the same 24-hour period with the spread of the Indian variant of the virus bringing a rise in cases over the month of May.
“I fear it may be a bad decision to go with it,” he told the BBC.
Meanwhile in Scotland, which is operating on a tiered lockdown system for different parts of the country, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced a pause in the easing of restrictions for millions of people due to a rise in cases.
LOL
Two COVID cases linked to Melbourne outbreak reclassified as false positives
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/covid-cases-melbourne-outbreak-reclassified-as-false-positives/100189226
Looks like the one who attended the display home two days after a positive case wasn’t actually infected.
sibeen said:
Two COVID cases linked to Melbourne outbreak reclassified as false positiveshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/covid-cases-melbourne-outbreak-reclassified-as-false-positives/100189226
Looks like the one who attended the display home two days after a positive case wasn’t actually infected.
Mr buffy drew my attention to that. There will be some angry people in Anglesea…
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Two COVID cases linked to Melbourne outbreak reclassified as false positiveshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/covid-cases-melbourne-outbreak-reclassified-as-false-positives/100189226
Looks like the one who attended the display home two days after a positive case wasn’t actually infected.
Mr buffy drew my attention to that. There will be some angry people in Anglesea…
they’ll get over it.
party_pants said:
buffy said:sibeen said:Two COVID cases linked to Melbourne outbreak reclassified as false positiveshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/covid-cases-melbourne-outbreak-reclassified-as-false-positives/100189226
Looks like the one who attended the display home two days after a positive case wasn’t actually infected.
Mr buffy drew my attention to that. There will be some angry people in Anglesea…
they’ll get over it.
¿ along a different branch, what happens to all these false positives in non outbreak times
like sure they’re doing 5 times the tests but we’ve had 5 times as long without community cases so are we to presume that when we have the luxury of time, they go back and check for another day before release ¿
time from another pandemic this time a leak from a laboratory in Australia watch this
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:buffy said:Mr buffy drew my attention to that. There will be some angry people in Anglesea…
they’ll get over it.
¿ along a different branch, what happens to all these false positives in non outbreak times
like sure they’re doing 5 times the tests but we’ve had 5 times as long without community cases so are we to presume that when we have the luxury of time, they go back and check for another day before release ¿
I’m inclined to think someone should have probably gone…hang on, that’s funny (the greatest words in science)…that woman was at the display home two days after our known case…probably should be careful with that one.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:they’ll get over it.
¿ along a different branch, what happens to all these false positives in non outbreak times
like sure they’re doing 5 times the tests but we’ve had 5 times as long without community cases so are we to presume that when we have the luxury of time, they go back and check for another day before release ¿
I’m inclined to think someone should have probably gone…hang on, that’s funny (the greatest words in science)…that woman was at the display home two days after our known case…probably should be careful with that one.
well you did ask the right questions so we suppose there’s just that consequences of letting a case out are a bit bigger than saying stop moving everyone just give us a moment here
anyway given this we wonder if they’ll be more open to being open before the full 2 weeks
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.
She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
Bubblecar said:
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
That sounds promising, hopefully you can sleep a little easier tonight.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
That sounds promising, hopefully you can sleep a little easier tonight.
I’m going for a much-needed lay-me-down right now.
Bubblecar said:
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
Fantastic news!
Bubblecar said:
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
Huggy emoticon.
Bubblecar said:
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
So they do think it is vaccine related and not part of her general health/emphysema stuff?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
That sounds promising, hopefully you can sleep a little easier tonight.
+1
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/drive/norman-swan-why-melbourne-coronavirus-outbreak/13368928
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
Called the older sister and the news from the mainland sister is fairly positive.She was able to have a shower this afternoon and although her breathing is not great she’s not doing too badly.
Seems she is being treated with blood-thinning medications used in other such cases. These vaccine-induced blood clots are quite different from “normal” blood clots in various ways. Surgery is not required and they can treat the heart clot the same as the lung clot.
I’ll have an update tomorrow morning.
So they do think it is vaccine related and not part of her general health/emphysema stuff?
She developed these clots within days of having the vaccine and she’s never had them before, so it’s apparently a typical adverse clot reaction.
Victoria’s peak medical body has asked NSW to send its Pfizer doses to the southern state
poikilotherm said:
Victoria’s peak medical body has asked NSW to send its Pfizer doses to the southern state
is it a good move
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:Victoria’s peak medical body has asked NSW to send its Pfizer doses to the southern state
is it a good move
If Gladys agrees, yes.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:Victoria’s peak medical body has asked NSW to send its Pfizer doses to the southern state
is it a good move
If Gladys agrees, yes.
what about the under 50 year old flockers in NSW then
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:¿ along a different branch, what happens to all these false positives in non outbreak times
like sure they’re doing 5 times the tests but we’ve had 5 times as long without community cases so are we to presume that when we have the luxury of time, they go back and check for another day before release ¿
I’m inclined to think someone should have probably gone…hang on, that’s funny (the greatest words in science)…that woman was at the display home two days after our known case…probably should be careful with that one.
well you did ask the right questions so we suppose there’s just that consequences of letting a case out are a bit bigger than saying stop moving everyone just give us a moment here
anyway given this we wonder if they’ll be more open to being open before the full 2 weeks
seems these so called experts agree with
us but does it make them correct
“New QR code rules are in place across Victoria with fines up to $1,652”
From today Victorians must check in at all retail stores, supermarkets and cafes — even if they’re just grabbing a takeaway coffee.
REF: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-04/new-qr-code-rules-are-in-place-across-victoria/100188796
Fake news. The government website says:
>>Current Chief Health Office directions require that anyone attending one of the above-mentioned venues or facilities for a period of 15 minutes or more must check in.
This applies to everyone, whether you are an employee, customer or other visitor attending the venue on work duties.
For example, if you’re getting a takeaway coffee and will be at a café for less than 15 minutes, it is recommended that you check-in, but not a requirement. If you’re having a coffee at the venue and may be longer than 15 minutes, you need to check in.
If you’re making a delivery – such as food or a parcel – and will be at a venue for less than 15 minutes you are not required to check-in, but it is recommended. If you’re delivery will take more than 15 minutes, you need to check in.<<
REF: https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/checking-qr-codes
(Yes, I checked the dates on the government website. It is for once up to date)
Also:
Do I need to check in at retail stores?
Customer-facing venues where you are not required to, but are recommended to check-in via the free Victorian Government QR Code Service, include:
Supermarkets Retail stores Retail shopping centres Markets or market stallsSame reference site.
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.
This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
Prime Minister had to capitulate. He went out of his way, however, to insert as much federal control as he could, with a “temporary COVID disaster payment” that will go to affected workers in a “hotspot” identified by the Chief Medical Officer under the Commonwealth definition.
This will apply in any state when lockdowns last beyond a single week. While there’s no dispute between the CMO and the Victorian government that Melbourne is at present a “hotspot”, if a federal-state difference arose in future, the federal rule would apply.
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Marketing wants to make sure outbreaks are given time to spread enough to require prolonged lockdowns.
buffy said:
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
Nothing wrong with indicating when you are turning either.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
This. it is getting more like a religion where you need a book to tell you how to behave.
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
This. it is getting more like a religion where you need a book to tell you how to behave.
I believe we are all good drivers here.
The problem appears to be that many ay large in the public arena are still learners.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
I intend to. But they should get it right. And I don’t know how the postie is going to get the round done inside the shift time if they have to check into every shop along the strip. And parcel deliverers. etc.
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
This. it is getting more like a religion where you need a book to tell you how to behave.
I have never looked at a WA govt website to see the requirements. I hear what they are, or were, via radio etc. It is mentioned at work. It is now automatic just to use the QR log in.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
I intend to. But they should get it right. And I don’t know how the postie is going to get the round done inside the shift time if they have to check into every shop along the strip. And parcel deliverers. etc.
I’d reckon the Postie has been equipped with a device?
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:why not just check in whenever you can
I intend to. But they should get it right. And I don’t know how the postie is going to get the round done inside the shift time if they have to check into every shop along the strip. And parcel deliverers. etc.
I’d reckon the Postie has been equipped with a device?
you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I intend to. But they should get it right. And I don’t know how the postie is going to get the round done inside the shift time if they have to check into every shop along the strip. And parcel deliverers. etc.
I’d reckon the Postie has been equipped with a device?
you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
This.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I intend to. But they should get it right. And I don’t know how the postie is going to get the round done inside the shift time if they have to check into every shop along the strip. And parcel deliverers. etc.
I’d reckon the Postie has been equipped with a device?
you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
I would also think that being a postie would entail certain requirements as they would be one of the greater risks of spreading the virus.
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:I’d reckon the Postie has been equipped with a device?
you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
I would also think that being a postie would entail certain requirements as they would be one of the greater risks of spreading the virus.
I’m sure they have constant updates and checks. Otherwise we would possibly have seen some high stats on posties being infected?
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:roughbarked said:buffy said:SCIENCE said:buffy said:So there is a statement from the Acting Premier saying it’s expanded to checking in everywhere, but the website, despite having yesterday’s date on it, says otherwise.This is probably an example of Rule’s usual complaint about communications.
why not just check in whenever you can
I intend to. But they should get it right. And I don’t know how the postie is going to get the round done inside the shift time if they have to check into every shop along the strip. And parcel deliverers. etc.
I’d reckon the Postie has been equipped with a device?
you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
I would also think that being a postie would entail certain requirements as they would be one of the greater risks of spreading the virus.
legit’ these are the concerns ¿ that because someone delivering parcels might have to visit more than 2 places an hour, the vast majority of people have issues with checking in and communicating
like c’m‘on it’s not magnetoneurohydrodynamics, if the postirish wants to check in for every site, go ahead
or maybe classify them as the high risk worker that they are otherwise
or maybe they could drop parcels off outside, or be met by an outside receiver of parcels so it’s still all done outside
imagine adapting operating procedures to the situation or setting
maybe a new normal is a better normal
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:Bogsnorkler said:you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
I would also think that being a postie would entail certain requirements as they would be one of the greater risks of spreading the virus.
I’m sure they have constant updates and checks. Otherwise we would possibly have seen some high stats on posties being infected?
how many of your nearby postboxes are indoors
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:Bogsnorkler said:you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
I would also think that being a postie would entail certain requirements as they would be one of the greater risks of spreading the virus.
legit’ these are the concerns ¿ that because someone delivering parcels might have to visit more than 2 places an hour, the vast majority of people have issues with checking in and communicating
like c’m‘on it’s not magnetoneurohydrodynamics, if the postirish wants to check in for every site, go ahead
or maybe classify them as the high risk worker that they are otherwise
or maybe they could drop parcels off outside, or be met by an outside receiver of parcels so it’s still all done outside
imagine adapting operating procedures to the situation or setting
maybe a new normal is a better normal
When has aanything been quite normal?
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Bogsnorkler said:I would also think that being a postie would entail certain requirements as they would be one of the greater risks of spreading the virus.
I’m sure they have constant updates and checks. Otherwise we would possibly have seen some high stats on posties being infected?
how many of your nearby postboxes are indoors
That’s a weird question to ask me. I’ll try to answer though. Currently, none. However, in the main street retail areas of what are commonly known as CBD, they are everywhere. As I mentioned earlier in this discussion the retail shop I worked in had deliveries constantly coming in both front and back doors. As did all the businesses up and down the street.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:I’m sure they have constant updates and checks. Otherwise we would possibly have seen some high stats on posties being infected?
how many of your nearby postboxes are indoors
That’s a weird question to ask me. I’ll try to answer though. Currently, none. However, in the main street retail areas of what are commonly known as CBD, they are everywhere. As I mentioned earlier in this discussion the retail shop I worked in had deliveries constantly coming in both front and back doors. As did all the businesses up and down the street.
so are we saying that workers in indoor retail areas are at higher risk than workers in lower density outdoor areas
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:how many of your nearby postboxes are indoors
That’s a weird question to ask me. I’ll try to answer though. Currently, none. However, in the main street retail areas of what are commonly known as CBD, they are everywhere. As I mentioned earlier in this discussion the retail shop I worked in had deliveries constantly coming in both front and back doors. As did all the businesses up and down the street.
so are we saying that workers in indoor retail areas are at higher risk than workers in lower density outdoor areas
You did.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:That’s a weird question to ask me. I’ll try to answer though. Currently, none. However, in the main street retail areas of what are commonly known as CBD, they are everywhere. As I mentioned earlier in this discussion the retail shop I worked in had deliveries constantly coming in both front and back doors. As did all the businesses up and down the street.
so are we saying that workers in indoor retail areas are at higher risk than workers in lower density outdoor areas
You did.
well then we can just assume they’re contacts of all the venues in their distribution network and be done
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:so are we saying that workers in indoor retail areas are at higher risk than workers in lower density outdoor areas
You did.
well then we can just assume they’re contacts of all the venues in their distribution network and be done
and if the CBD is totally locked down as a result then the postie doesn’t have to go into any shops.

SCIENCE said:
Damn, which are the countries with the worst figures, the ones cut off?
SCIENCE said:
I doubt that the people who made such remarks generally have much shame.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Damn, which are the countries with the worst figures, the ones cut off?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Damn, which are the countries with the worst figures, the ones cut off?
I find it interesting all the big boys (most members of the UN security counsel) did poorly, they have huge resources and capability to combat the pandemic but arrogance, hubris and idiots in charge showed the opposite. They will still call the shots though on the world stage even though they aren’t worthy
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
I doubt that the people who made such remarks generally have much shame.
indeed, that agrees with other responses we agree with


SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Damn, which are the countries with the worst figures, the ones cut off?
thanks :)
None of them are iron ore exporting countries, I think this skewing out figures a bit. It is indirectly Covid-related I guess. We kept our mining sector open the whole time, other suppliers like Brazil had to shut down. So price of ore spikes and we get all the sales. The UK got the double whammy of Brexit on top of the Covids.
party_pants said:
We kept our mining sector open the whole time…
China kept our mining sector open.
Wine, barley, coal, whatever else, they were happy to slam the door on those, or at least make the importing process interminable and more complicated.
But not the iron ore. Australia produces very good iron ore, and China can’t get enough of it (you can’t build warships out of recycled spaghetti tines, y’know).
Chinese producers are trying to keep costs down, which is why they’ve been buying lots of cheaper, lower-quality ore from India. Buying from Australia means much lower shipping costs than bringing it from Brazil, and with Brazil’s COVID troubles, China was never going to cause trouble with the iron ore trade.
Had Brazil not been so sickly, things might have been different…
tines = tins
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:We kept our mining sector open the whole time…
China kept our mining sector open.
Wine, barley, coal, whatever else, they were happy to slam the door on those, or at least make the importing process interminable and more complicated.
But not the iron ore. Australia produces very good iron ore, and China can’t get enough of it (you can’t build warships out of recycled spaghetti tines, y’know).
Chinese producers are trying to keep costs down, which is why they’ve been buying lots of cheaper, lower-quality ore from India. Buying from Australia means much lower shipping costs than bringing it from Brazil, and with Brazil’s COVID troubles, China was never going to cause trouble with the iron ore trade.
Had Brazil not been so sickly, things might have been different…
Yeah, most of it goes to China, we all know that. But had we needed to shut down things would have been different. We were in a position to take advantage and we did so. So some credit has to go to Australian authorities for that, mostly the state governments, and Marky McG in particular.
China have announced a big infrastructure spending stimulus boost. A lot of the iron ore we send them ends up as reo inside new and vast concrete constructions.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:We kept our mining sector open the whole time…
China kept our mining sector open.
Wine, barley, coal, whatever else, they were happy to slam the door on those, or at least make the importing process interminable and more complicated.
But not the iron ore. Australia produces very good iron ore, and China can’t get enough of it (you can’t build warships out of recycled spaghetti tines, y’know).
Chinese producers are trying to keep costs down, which is why they’ve been buying lots of cheaper, lower-quality ore from India. Buying from Australia means much lower shipping costs than bringing it from Brazil, and with Brazil’s COVID troubles, China was never going to cause trouble with the iron ore trade.
Had Brazil not been so sickly, things might have been different…
Yeah, most of it goes to China, we all know that. But had we needed to shut down things would have been different. We were in a position to take advantage and we did so. So some credit has to go to Australian authorities for that, mostly the state governments, and Marky McG in particular.
China have announced a big infrastructure spending stimulus boost. A lot of the iron ore we send them ends up as reo inside new and vast concrete constructions.
Australian iron ore to build warships they use to invade Australia, the irony (literally actually)
imagine being scared by other people wearing masks
we remember last time it rained, the amount of umbrella use was positively terrifying
Deaths (approximate) in the whole of Australia from infectious diseases, in the last 6 months
Deaths, Cause
1, Covid
5, Polio
7, Candida
23, Miningococcal
23, TB
157, Gastroenteritis
718, Sepsis
SCIENCE said:
imagine being scared by other people wearing maskswe remember last time it rained, the amount of umbrella use was positively terrifying
The only person that would be justified for would be Deathstroke
mollwollfumble said:
Deaths (approximate) in the whole of Australia from infectious diseases, in the last 6 monthsDeaths, Cause
1, Covid
5, Polio
7, Candida
23, Miningococcal
23, TB
157, Gastroenteritis
718, Sepsis
Would copying stupid things you see on the Internet and die from be considered infectious disease
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:The UK’s rate of new cases has just about doubled over the last week, from around 2000 cases per day last week to around 4000 in the last few days. They seem to be mostly the new Indian variant, but the Government are being a bit coy about that. Just when they are starting to ease restrictions too.
A few EU countries have now slapped travel bans on the UK because of “variant of concern” issues.
Flights from India are still landing in the UK, despite the country being red listed.
it’s coming back down
The UK also recorded 3,165 new positive cases in the same 24-hour period with the spread of the Indian variant of the virus bringing a rise in cases over the month of May.
“I fear it may be a bad decision to go with it,” he told the BBC.
Meanwhile in Scotland, which is operating on a tiered lockdown system for different parts of the country, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced a pause in the easing of restrictions for millions of people due to a rise in cases.
LOL

mollwollfumble said:
Deaths (approximate) in the whole of Australia from infectious diseases, in the last 6 monthsDeaths, Cause
1, Covid
5, Polio
7, Candida
23, Miningococcal
23, TB
157, Gastroenteritis
718, Sepsis
so it’s just a mild ‘flu’
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:
Deaths (approximate) in the whole of Australia from infectious diseases, in the last 6 monthsDeaths, Cause
1, Covid
5, Polio
7, Candida
23, Miningococcal
23, TB
157, Gastroenteritis
718, Sepsis
Would copying stupid things you see on the Internet and die from be considered infectious disease
mindvirus
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:China kept our mining sector open.
Wine, barley, coal, whatever else, they were happy to slam the door on those, or at least make the importing process interminable and more complicated.
But not the iron ore. Australia produces very good iron ore, and China can’t get enough of it (you can’t build warships out of recycled spaghetti tines, y’know).
Chinese producers are trying to keep costs down, which is why they’ve been buying lots of cheaper, lower-quality ore from India. Buying from Australia means much lower shipping costs than bringing it from Brazil, and with Brazil’s COVID troubles, China was never going to cause trouble with the iron ore trade.
Had Brazil not been so sickly, things might have been different…
Yeah, most of it goes to China, we all know that. But had we needed to shut down things would have been different. We were in a position to take advantage and we did so. So some credit has to go to Australian authorities for that, mostly the state governments, and Marky McG in particular.
China have announced a big infrastructure spending stimulus boost. A lot of the iron ore we send them ends up as reo inside new and vast concrete constructions.
Australian iron ore to build warships they use to invade Australia, the irony (literally actually)
A lot of it ends up inside this sort of stuff:



According to UN predictions:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/death-rate
the death rate in China will pass the death rate by about 2035.
So what will Australia do with all its iron ore then?
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
party_pants said:Yeah, most of it goes to China, we all know that. But had we needed to shut down things would have been different. We were in a position to take advantage and we did so. So some credit has to go to Australian authorities for that, mostly the state governments, and Marky McG in particular.
China have announced a big infrastructure spending stimulus boost. A lot of the iron ore we send them ends up as reo inside new and vast concrete constructions.
Australian iron ore to build warships they use to invade Australia, the irony (literally actually)
A lot of it ends up inside this sort of stuff:
Do have to give humans credit for engineering some incredible things that become run of the mill construction.
The Rev Dodgson said:
the death rate in China will pass the death rate by about 2035.
so it’s currently decreasing but will begin to increase in 2035 or are we reading this wrong
Or rather:
The Rev Dodgson said:
According to UN predictions:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/death-ratethe death rate in China will pass the birth rate by about 2035.
So what will Australia do with all its iron ore then?
Back from Hamilton. There are lots of no smartphone people around. Shops all have a paper sign in and it’s being widely used. At Woolworths there was no evidence of a paper sign in and no staff members about, so I went in and did my shopping and went to ask after I’d finished. By then there was a paper sign in and a person at the door watching. There seemed to be a lot of problems getting phones to scan the QR code.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:the death rate in China will pass the death rate by about 2035.so it’s currently decreasing but will begin to increase in 2035 or are we reading this wrong
More a case of me typing it wrong.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:you still have to get it to read the code. I would imagine that once the log on at work then any outbreak in the town would automatically mean they get tested.
I would also think that being a postie would entail certain requirements as they would be one of the greater risks of spreading the virus.
I’m sure they have constant updates and checks. Otherwise we would possibly have seen some high stats on posties being infected?
I seriously doubt that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
According to UN predictions:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/death-ratethe death rate in China will pass the death rate by about 2035.
So what will Australia do with all its iron ore then?
South East Asia and India are tipped to be on a rapid economic growth trajectory over the next couple of decades. We sell it to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines instead.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
According to UN predictions:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/death-ratethe death rate in China will pass the death rate by about 2035.
So what will Australia do with all its iron ore then?
South East Asia and India are tipped to be on a rapid economic growth trajectory over the next couple of decades. We sell it to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines instead.
How about we make steel out of it, and sell that to them?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
According to UN predictions:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/death-ratethe death rate in China will pass the death rate by about 2035.
So what will Australia do with all its iron ore then?
South East Asia and India are tipped to be on a rapid economic growth trajectory over the next couple of decades. We sell it to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines instead.
How about we make steel out of it, and sell that to them?
I would love to do that. Especially if we could use some of our abundant renewable energy to power the process. We could export metals like steel and aluminium with low GHG footprint. Brave new world and sunlit uplands, but it risks being labelled as an “ideas person”.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:South East Asia and India are tipped to be on a rapid economic growth trajectory over the next couple of decades. We sell it to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines instead.
How about we make steel out of it, and sell that to them?
I would love to do that. Especially if we could use some of our abundant renewable energy to power the process. We could export metals like steel and aluminium with low GHG footprint. Brave new world and sunlit uplands, but it risks being labelled as an “ideas person”.
It makes sense doesn’t it, this is the 21st century not the early 20th century
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:How about we make steel out of it, and sell that to them?
I would love to do that. Especially if we could use some of our abundant renewable energy to power the process. We could export metals like steel and aluminium with low GHG footprint. Brave new world and sunlit uplands, but it risks being labelled as an “ideas person”.
It makes sense doesn’t it, this is the 21st century not the early 20th century
It still has to make economic sense. Governments should ideally not try pick winners at the expense of other economically efficient domestic industries.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:South East Asia and India are tipped to be on a rapid economic growth trajectory over the next couple of decades. We sell it to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines instead.
How about we make steel out of it, and sell that to them?
I would love to do that. Especially if we could use some of our abundant renewable energy to power the process. We could export metals like steel and aluminium with low GHG footprint. Brave new world and sunlit uplands, but it risks being labelled as an “ideas person”.
Shrug.
If hydrogen production in Australia takes off it might well result in more steel production in Australia, but that doesn’t mean that the current situation is a bad thing.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
party_pants said:I would love to do that. Especially if we could use some of our abundant renewable energy to power the process. We could export metals like steel and aluminium with low GHG footprint. Brave new world and sunlit uplands, but it risks being labelled as an “ideas person”.
It makes sense doesn’t it, this is the 21st century not the early 20th century
It still has to make economic sense. Governments should ideally not try pick winners at the expense of other economically efficient domestic industries.
Should we not have the capacity to make basic building materials without reliance on others.
Australia does seem to have very little capacity to make anything
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:It makes sense doesn’t it, this is the 21st century not the early 20th century
It still has to make economic sense. Governments should ideally not try pick winners at the expense of other economically efficient domestic industries.
Should we not have the capacity to make basic building materials without reliance on others.
Australia does seem to have very little capacity to make anything
And other countries have to rely on trading partners for the very bread they eat. I know what situation I prefer.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:It makes sense doesn’t it, this is the 21st century not the early 20th century
It still has to make economic sense. Governments should ideally not try pick winners at the expense of other economically efficient domestic industries.
Should we not have the capacity to make basic building materials without reliance on others.
Australia does seem to have very little capacity to make anything
We make a lot of mistakes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It still has to make economic sense. Governments should ideally not try pick winners at the expense of other economically efficient domestic industries.
Should we not have the capacity to make basic building materials without reliance on others.
Australia does seem to have very little capacity to make anything
And other countries have to rely on trading partners for the very bread they eat. I know what situation I prefer.
That is true
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:It makes sense doesn’t it, this is the 21st century not the early 20th century
It still has to make economic sense. Governments should ideally not try pick winners at the expense of other economically efficient domestic industries.
Should we not have the capacity to make basic building materials without reliance on others.
Australia does seem to have very little capacity to make anything
No, not if production in other countries is more efficient, and Australia makes lots of things.
The boy had been staying with his family at the Peppers Waymouth Hotel in the Adelaide CBD.
His mother also tested positive for the virus, an SA Health notice to staff said.
This morning, guests on the same floor as the family were moved by bus to the Pullman Hotel — another medi-hotel for travellers needing to quarantine.
All 18 of them will have to restart their 14-day quarantine.
An SA Health spokesperson said the guests were moved because of fears of a possible risk of transmission after the toddler spent longer in a hallway at the hotel than expected while being tested.
India (because I was interested. At 109 on the deaths per million table)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
And Sweden (because you all know I’m stalking them – they are still sitting at 33 on the deaths per million table)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Reporting on the “new” regional stuff at our local pub. Whoever decided it was the publican/bar staff’s responsibility to check driver licences of unfamiliar faces to make sure they aren’t Melbourne escapees has no idea. In our little two horse town, it’s relatively easy – but impossible for them to keep up with. I wonder how places like Ballarat, Warrnambool etc are going. I reckon that is going to be quietly not done. All retail are supposed to be doing this…
Both Kappa, also known as B.1.617.1, and Delta, also called B.1.617.2, are considered subtypes of what’s been referred to as the Indian variant — B.1.617. The numeric identifiers may be a bit more familiar to you, because they have been around for a bit longer. The names Kappa and Delta that are now circulating have resulted from a World Health Organization decision to name variants of COVID-19 after Greek letters rather than the places they were picked up in.
oh wait that’s right giving these things arbitrary bullshit grec letter designations also masks the derivation
name name name totally the important thing which part of W or H or O stands for condescend
The Prime Minister says working-from-home policies are not appropriate for Australia, where lord mayors are concerned COVID restrictions are leaving CBDs desolate, affecting local businesses.
lol wtf fuck off what are we a country 200 years behind everyone else where the internet is some copper pipe dream and the breadwinner has to depart the family and fight in the town centre and is probably male and …
… wait
SCIENCE said:
bq. The Prime Minister says working-from-home policies are not appropriate for Australia, where lord mayors are concerned COVID restrictions are leaving CBDs desolate, affecting local businesses.lol wtf fuck off what are we a country 200 years behind everyone else where the internet is some copper pipe dream and the breadwinner has to depart the family and fight in the town centre and is probably male and …
… wait
I think WFH is going to stay for the long term. CBDs are not quite obsolete, but they are perhaps declining in their importance just a bit.
Farmers hope a coordinated release of the foreign strain, called RHDV2, will give them the upper hand in the fight against the pests, which is estimated to cost the agriculture sector $206 million a year in lost production. RHDV2 was first detected in Australia in May 2015 and has since spread across the continent and proven more deadly than existing strains being deliberately released.
In March 2017, there was a national release of the Korean strain … known as RHDV1-K5, … across all states. However, K5’s ability to spread through wild populations has been hamstrung because it has been overtaken by RHDV2.
Mr Glanznig said a vaccine was being developed by virologists at the NSW Elizabeth Macarthur agricultural institute and would be released ahead of the strain’s potential registration as a biocide in 2023.
This is interesting. I call this “mortality rate” but they call it “fatality rate”. For 3rd wave Covid in many countries, fatality rates are way down compared to what they used to be. World average now 2%. In first wave China it was 4.1%.
Worst countries in the world. Deaths per unit population. Startlingly few from Africa. India far from being as bad as South America.
Compare that with the situation back on April 10 2021, below. Eastern Europe as a whole has improved enormously since then, and India has got worse while Pakistan has improved.
Deaths in the US and UK are back down to average for this time of year. Hungary (and eastern Europe) is declining back after a terrible peak death rate in early May 2021. Brazil, Paraguay and Colombia (and Uruguay) are as bad as ever, twice the normal death toll for this time of year.
Uruguay is a country with one of the highest Covid death rates AND one of the more rapid vaccinations. That’s a worry. Argentina and Paraguay have high death rates and slow vaccinations, and the death rate is climbing.
G’danya China.
mollwollfumble said:
This is interesting. I call this “mortality rate” but they call it “fatality rate”. For 3rd wave Covid in many countries, fatality rates are way down compared to what they used to be. World average now 2%. In first wave China it was 4.1%.
LOL embarrassing, imagine availability of corticosteroid treatment and intensive care and they still can’t prevent this mild ‘flu’ from killing 1/50 of its entertainers
mollwollfumble said:
G’danya China.
LOL with something barely as effective as ineffective AstraZeneca ¿
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:This is interesting. I call this “mortality rate” but they call it “fatality rate”. For 3rd wave Covid in many countries, fatality rates are way down compared to what they used to be. World average now 2%. In first wave China it was 4.1%.
LOL embarrassing, imagine availability of corticosteroid treatment and intensive care and they still can’t prevent this mild ‘flu’ from killing 1/50 of its entertainers
Not nearly as embarassing as when the USA had twice the mortality rate of China, at 8.5%, and when the UK and much of western Europe had three times the mortality rate of China, at 13.5%. Hydroxychloroquine treatement and intensive care for Covid sufferers was available even before 1 Jan 2020, because it was being routinely used for other types of pneumonia.
For other types of mild ‘flu’, it’s what? 1/1000 or higher than that? Checks web. Actually, for the 2018-2019 season in the USA it turns out to be almost exactly 1/1000 on average over all flu strains. Slightly deadlier the previous year. If we can get the mortality from Covid down to 1/500 then that’s effectively problem solved.
Here are the current highs and lows of mortality rate. By far the majority of large countries have a mortality rate between 1.2% and 3%. Beware of Egypt, Ecuador and Bosnia.
where the fly is this coming from though, yes we know that’s their 666000 dollar question, but it’s just wrong
this was actually a decent read for once
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-05/morrison-government-covid-response-out-of-control/100190216
SCIENCE said:
where the fly is this coming from though, yes we know that’s their 666000 dollar question, but it’s just wrong
- Victoria records five new locally acquired cases with 36,362 test results returned in the past 24 hours
- Genomic sequencing has revealed two different variants of COVID-19 in the community in Victoria
- Melbourne is experiencing a second weekend in lockdown
Well if I read it correctly, the family who went to NSW are the ones with something different. Perhaps they picked something up while touring. Who knows. Still a low hit rate for positives at 0.01% of tests.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
where the fly is this coming from though, yes we know that’s their 666000 dollar question, but it’s just wrong
- Victoria records five new locally acquired cases with 36,362 test results returned in the past 24 hours
- Genomic sequencing has revealed two different variants of COVID-19 in the community in Victoria
- Melbourne is experiencing a second weekend in lockdown
Well if I read it correctly, the family who went to NSW are the ones with something different. Perhaps they picked something up while touring. Who knows. Still a low hit rate for positives at 0.01% of tests.
right but where did they ck it up, are you implying that NSWuhan are hiding some cases of B.1.617.2 that they spread to VIC again just for the literal fall guy
like much as the anti-CHINA group would have us believe that the virus just appears out of nowhere, people don’t just magically test positive for a strain that wasn’t present before
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:This is interesting. I call this “mortality rate” but they call it “fatality rate”. For 3rd wave Covid in many countries, fatality rates are way down compared to what they used to be. World average now 2%. In first wave China it was 4.1%.
LOL embarrassing, imagine availability of corticosteroid treatment and intensive care and they still can’t prevent this mild ‘flu’ from killing 1/50 of its entertainers
Not nearly as embarassing as when the USA had twice the mortality rate of China, at 8.5%, and when the UK and much of western Europe had three times the mortality rate of China, at 13.5%. Hydroxychloroquine treatement and intensive care for Covid sufferers was available even before 1 Jan 2020, because it was being routinely used for other types of pneumonia.
For other types of mild ‘flu’, it’s what? 1/1000 or higher than that? Checks web. Actually, for the 2018-2019 season in the USA it turns out to be almost exactly 1/1000 on average over all flu strains. Slightly deadlier the previous year. If we can get the mortality from Covid down to 1/500 then that’s effectively problem solved.
Here are the current highs and lows of mortality rate. By far the majority of large countries have a mortality rate between 1.2% and 3%. Beware of Egypt, Ecuador and Bosnia.
Some more highs and lows. So far as fatality rate is concerned. Mexico is even much worse than Egypt. And Singapore even much better than the UAE. Might I humbly suggest to the USA that they close the border with Mexico?

Rising and falling. Rising deaths in India, Nepal, Argentina, Bahrain. Falling deaths in Europe, USA, Bosnia. Europe is the big winner here.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:This is interesting. I call this “mortality rate” but they call it “fatality rate”. For 3rd wave Covid in many countries, fatality rates are way down compared to what they used to be. World average now 2%. In first wave China it was 4.1%.
LOL embarrassing, imagine availability of corticosteroid treatment and intensive care and they still can’t prevent this mild ‘flu’ from killing 1/50 of its entertainers
Not nearly as embarassing as when the USA had twice the mortality rate of China, at 8.5%, and when the UK and much of western Europe had three times the mortality rate of China, at 13.5%. Hydroxychloroquine treatement and intensive care for Covid sufferers was available even before 1 Jan 2020, because it was being routinely used for other types of pneumonia.
For other types of mild ‘flu’, it’s what? 1/1000 or higher than that? Checks web. Actually, for the 2018-2019 season in the USA it turns out to be almost exactly 1/1000 on average over all flu strains. Slightly deadlier the previous year. If we can get the mortality from Covid down to 1/500 then that’s effectively problem solved.
Here are the current highs and lows of mortality rate. By far the majority of large countries have a mortality rate between 1.2% and 3%. Beware of Egypt, Ecuador and Bosnia.
Are you suggesting that Hydroxychloroquine actually is a valid treatment for Covid?
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:SCIENCE said:LOL embarrassing, imagine availability of corticosteroid treatment and intensive care and they still can’t prevent this mild ‘flu’ from killing 1/50 of its entertainers
Not nearly as embarassing as when the USA had twice the mortality rate of China, at 8.5%, and when the UK and much of western Europe had three times the mortality rate of China, at 13.5%. Hydroxychloroquine treatement and intensive care for Covid sufferers was available even before 1 Jan 2020, because it was being routinely used for other types of pneumonia.
For other types of mild ‘flu’, it’s what? 1/1000 or higher than that? Checks web. Actually, for the 2018-2019 season in the USA it turns out to be almost exactly 1/1000 on average over all flu strains. Slightly deadlier the previous year. If we can get the mortality from Covid down to 1/500 then that’s effectively problem solved.
Here are the current highs and lows of mortality rate. By far the majority of large countries have a mortality rate between 1.2% and 3%. Beware of Egypt, Ecuador and Bosnia.
Are you suggesting that Hydroxychloroquine actually is a valid treatment for Covid?
tell you what, if you take Africa, just Let It Rip For The Economy Must Grow, and deliver plenty of dolutegravir and hydroxychloroquine and lamivudine and ivermectin and tenofovir in a scramble for Africa, there’s a good chance the health of the population there will improve
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:This is interesting. I call this “mortality rate” but they call it “fatality rate”. For 3rd wave Covid in many countries, fatality rates are way down compared to what they used to be. World average now 2%. In first wave China it was 4.1%.
LOL embarrassing, imagine availability of corticosteroid treatment and intensive care and they still can’t prevent this mild ‘flu’ from killing 1/50 of its entertainers
Not nearly as embarassing as when the USA had twice the mortality rate of China, at 8.5%, and when the UK and much of western Europe had three times the mortality rate of China, at 13.5%. Hydroxychloroquine treatement and intensive care for Covid sufferers was available even before 1 Jan 2020, because it was being routinely used for other types of pneumonia.
For other types of mild ‘flu’, it’s what? 1/1000 or higher than that? Checks web. Actually, for the 2018-2019 season in the USA it turns out to be almost exactly 1/1000 on average over all flu strains. Slightly deadlier the previous year. If we can get the mortality from Covid down to 1/500 then that’s effectively problem solved.
Here are the current highs and lows of mortality rate. By far the majority of large countries have a mortality rate between 1.2% and 3%. Beware of Egypt, Ecuador and Bosnia.
Why the wide range in rates? Poor data? Poorer health care?
Or Egyptians just have weak constitutions?
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:it’s coming back down
The UK also recorded 3,165 new positive cases in the same 24-hour period with the spread of the Indian variant of the virus bringing a rise in cases over the month of May.
“I fear it may be a bad decision to go with it,” he told the BBC.
Meanwhile in Scotland, which is operating on a tiered lockdown system for different parts of the country, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced a pause in the easing of restrictions for millions of people due to a rise in cases.
LOL
LOL


imagine if you had both lockdown and an ineffective vaccine rolling out
and then you had declining case rates
and you concluded that it was because of the vaccine
Blow their infrastructure to hell, profit off the “rebuild” and arms trades, pull out forces, and WuHAnM¡
By Nicholas McElroy
Afghanistan is battling a brutal surge in COVID-19 infections as health officials plead for vaccines, only to be told by the World Health Organization that the 3 million doses the country expected to receive by April won’t be delivered until August.
“We are in the middle of a crisis,” Health Ministry spokesperson Ghulam Dastigir Nazari said this week, expressing deep frustration at the global vaccine distribution that has left poor countries scrambling to find supplies for their people.
Over the past month, the escalating pace of new cases has threatened to overwhelm Afghanistan’s health system, already struggling under the weight of relentless war.
In part, the increase has been blamed on uninterrupted travel with India, bringing the highly contagious Delta variant, first identified in India.
Also, many Afghans still question the reality of the virus or believe their faith will protect them and rarely wear masks or social distance, often mocking those who do.
Until just a week ago, the government was allowing unrestricted mass gatherings.
The Delta variant has help send Afghanistan’s infection rate soaring, hitting 16 provinces and the capital Kabul the hardest.
This week, the rate of registered new cases reached as high as 1,500 a day, compared to 178 a day on May 1.
Hospital beds are full, and it is feared rapidly dwindling oxygen supplies will run out.
Afghan ambassadors have been ordered to seek out emergency oxygen supplies in nearby countries, Foreign Minister Haneef Atmar said in a tweet on Friday.
By official figures, Afghanistan has seen a total of 78,000 cases and 3,007 deaths from the pandemic.
But those figures are likely a massive undercount, registering only deaths in hospitals, not the far greater numbers who die at home.
Testing is woefully inadequate. In only the past month, the percentage of positive COVID tests has jumped from about 8 per cent to 60 per cent in some parts of the country.
By WHO recommendations, anything higher than 5 per cent shows officials aren’t testing widely enough, allowing the virus to spread unchecked.
AP



SCIENCE said:
COVID-19, Healing The Planet Yet Again
Pedant mode….that one is not a hook turn corner…
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
COVID-19, Healing The Planet Yet Again
Pedant mode….that one is not a hook turn corner…
tram, trample, herd, batman, we’re sure someone clever can come up with something relevant
SCIENCE said:
COVID-19, Healing The Planet Yet Again
That is weird.
Good news for anyone who managed to dodge a bullet risk of stroke in exchange for poorly effective vaccine: using the other one after your 3 month waiting time is up, could make you as well protected as if you’d done it the effective way in the first place ¡

And you can still try to get myocarditis ¡
SCIENCE said:
Good news for anyone who managed to dodge abulletrisk of stroke in exchange for poorly effective vaccine: using the other one after your 3 month waiting time is up, could make you as well protected as if you’d done it the effective way in the first place ¡
And you can still try to get myocarditis ¡
Oh – can I ?
Colombia, going from very bad to extra very bad.

Argentina, daily confirmed Covid deaths.

World, daily confirmed Covid deaths per population. See Colombia and Argentina.

See O CDC we told you, West is the Way
On Saturday night the Department of Health urged residents and visitors to a number of suburbs in Melbourne’s inner west and northern suburbs to monitor for symptoms of coronavirus after an unexpected detection of COVID-19 in wastewater.
The suburbs include Aberfeldie, Essendon, Essendon West, Flemington, Footscray, Kensington, Maribyrnong, Moonee Ponds, Parkville, and Travancore
There are no confirmed COVID-19 cases in those areas but there are exposure sites and it is close to West Melbourne where there are confirmed cases.
She’s Had A Gutful And She’s Not Going To Stick To The Federal Line
or so she says
A NSW government minister, who asked not be named so they could speak freely, said: “NSW has done more than its fair share in keeping Australians safe.
“This thing is not just going to be solved by QR codes and lockdowns, we need the federal government to do their job.”
The minister pointed to a report into the hotel quarantine system by former federal health department secretary Jane Halton, which highlighted the problems in the system and said it should be fixed and augmented by national facilities.
It was revealed in Senate Estimates hearings last week that 21 breaches of hotel quarantine had taken place since the system was implemented a year ago.
Someone should do a media study on this kind of shit, there seems to be a correlation between claiming victory and getting absolutely fucked within weeks if not days… causation ¿ we think not, but coincidence ¿
Headlines like this are usually a bad sign.
SCIENCE said:
Someone should do a media study on this kind of shit, there seems to be a correlation between claiming victory and getting absolutely fucked within weeks if not days… causation ¿ we think not, but coincidence ¿Headlines like this are usually a bad sign.
Inside the war room: Why Victoria is winning the COVID battle
SCIENCE said:
She’s Had A Gutful And She’s Not Going To Stick To The Federal Lineor so she says
A NSW government minister, who asked not be named so they could speak freely, said: “NSW has done more than its fair share in keeping Australians safe.
“This thing is not just going to be solved by QR codes and lockdowns, we need the federal government to do their job.”
The minister pointed to a report into the hotel quarantine system by former federal health department secretary Jane Halton, which highlighted the problems in the system and said it should be fixed and augmented by national facilities.
It was revealed in Senate Estimates hearings last week that 21 breaches of hotel quarantine had taken place since the system was implemented a year ago.
Only 21?
Seriously?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
She’s Had A Gutful And She’s Not Going To Stick To The Federal Lineor so she says
A NSW government minister, who asked not be named so they could speak freely, said: “NSW has done more than its fair share in keeping Australians safe.
“This thing is not just going to be solved by QR codes and lockdowns, we need the federal government to do their job.”
The minister pointed to a report into the hotel quarantine system by former federal health department secretary Jane Halton, which highlighted the problems in the system and said it should be fixed and augmented by national facilities.
It was revealed in Senate Estimates hearings last week that 21 breaches of hotel quarantine had taken place since the system was implemented a year ago.
Only 21?
Seriously?
known
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
She’s Had A Gutful And She’s Not Going To Stick To The Federal Lineor so she says
A NSW government minister, who asked not be named so they could speak freely, said: “NSW has done more than its fair share in keeping Australians safe.
“This thing is not just going to be solved by QR codes and lockdowns, we need the federal government to do their job.”
The minister pointed to a report into the hotel quarantine system by former federal health department secretary Jane Halton, which highlighted the problems in the system and said it should be fixed and augmented by national facilities.
It was revealed in Senate Estimates hearings last week that 21 breaches of hotel quarantine had taken place since the system was implemented a year ago.
Only 21?
Seriously?
known
OK, good to have a reliable lower bound estimate, I suppose.
2 new cases detected in Victoria from 30,000 tests.
Could those people who don’t have Covid please stop clogging up our testing stations, please.
mollwollfumble said:
2 new cases detected in Victoria from 30,000 tests.Could those people who don’t have Covid please stop clogging up our testing stations, please.
How do people know if they have it or not without testing?
mollwollfumble said:
2 new cases detected in Victoria from 30,000 tests.Could those people who don’t have Covid please stop clogging up our testing stations, please.
We need some sort of test to determine who should be tested.
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
2 new cases detected in Victoria from 30,000 tests.Could those people who don’t have Covid please stop clogging up our testing stations, please.
We need some sort of test to determine who should be tested.
… and a test to test who should be tested to be tested.
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Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
2 new cases detected in Victoria from 30,000 tests.Could those people who don’t have Covid please stop clogging up our testing stations, please.
We need some sort of test to determine who should be tested.
We’ve got that. The testing station in Hamilton requires you to have symptoms. I think it is specific about having fever. But that might have changed.
An urgent alert has been issued after Covid was ‘unexpectedly’ detected in the sewage systems of 10 suburbs across Melbourne where there are no active cases.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9656433/Covid-detected-10-sewage-systems-Melbourne-sparking-concern.html