An urgent alert has been issued after Covid was ‘unexpectedly’ detected in the sewage systems of 10 suburbs across Melbourne where there are no active cases.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9656433/Covid-detected-10-sewage-systems-Melbourne-sparking-concern.html

Tau.Neutrino said:

An urgent alert has been issued after Covid was ‘unexpectedly’ detected in the sewage systems of 10 suburbs across Melbourne where there are no active cases.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9656433/Covid-detected-10-sewage-systems-Melbourne-sparking-concern.html

Missy is living in one of those suburbs. Thanks for the heads up.

FWIW
https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jun/05/naomi-wolf-banned-twitter-spreading-vaccine-myths

Can any of you geniuses confirm or refute this claim ¿

Because it’s … fucked up … remember how we thought Mainland Taiwan letting pilots out at 3 days was … “entertaining” ¿

SCIENCE said:

Can any of you geniuses confirm or refute this claim ¿

Because it’s … fucked up … remember how we thought Mainland Taiwan letting pilots out at 3 days was … “entertaining” ¿

State based decision…

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers#apply-for-a-quarantine-exemption

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

Can any of you geniuses confirm or refute this claim ¿

Because it’s … fucked up … remember how we thought Mainland Taiwan letting pilots out at 3 days was … “entertaining” ¿

State based decision…

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers#apply-for-a-quarantine-exemption

thanks

“should”

LOL

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

Can any of you geniuses confirm or refute this claim ¿

Because it’s … fucked up … remember how we thought Mainland Taiwan letting pilots out at 3 days was … “entertaining” ¿

State based decision…

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers#apply-for-a-quarantine-exemption

thanks

“should”

LOL

Seems Like Diplomatic Immunity Works The Same As Flock Immunity

3.44pm on Jun 4, 2021

Boy with COVID-19 flies from Australia to Taiwan

By Rachel Clun

A boy under the age of 10 was diagnosed with COVID-19 after travelling from Australia to Taiwan late last month, amid a growing outbreak in Victoria which now involves two variants of concern.

The boy, aged under 10 and a Taiwanese national, left Australia on May 25 and arrived in Taiwan the next day.

Taiwan’s Centre for Disease Control reported late last month that the boy experienced a runny nose in Australia on May 18, before flying to Taiwan just over a week later.

“Upon arrival, he voluntarily notified airport quarantine officers that he had experienced symptoms,” the CDC said in a statement. “After he was tested for COVID-19, infection with COVID-19 was laboratory-confirmed in the case on May 28.”

The Department of Health’s national focal point team was aware of the case, a department spokeswoman told this masthead. For privacy reasons, the department would not disclose the boy’s port of departure.

“The NFP can confirm that all relevant domestic and international parties have been notified,” the spokeswoman said.

Victoria has been fighting an outbreak since a first case was reported on May 11, while NSW last had community transmission in early May.

Share

Our COVID status is negative.

Eight and a half hours from test-samples to results. Not bad.

I was a little disappointed with the negative result; I don’t know why, but I was a somewhat excited by the possibility of another unplanned adventure.

Michael V said:

Our COVID status is negative.

Eight and a half hours from test-samples to results. Not bad.

I was a little disappointed with the negative result; I don’t know why, but I was a somewhat excited by the possibility of another unplanned adventure.

:)

11 new locally acquired cases for Vic today. Fan-f’n-tastic.

Rule 303 said:

11 new locally acquired cases for Vic today. Fan-f’n-tastic.

It’s getting to the stage where you can’t help but feel sorry for the poor silly buggers.

ABC News:

‘Palaszczuk receives first COVID-19 vaccine dose after Queensland exceeds weekend jabs target

By Lucy Stone
Community vaccination hubs delivered more doses than expected of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine on the weekend, the Queensland government says, as Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk receives her first dose ahead of a trip to Tokyo as part of the state’s 2032 Olympics bid.’

They’re gettin’ steam up on the Olympics gravy train.

Once it starts rollin’, no government of any stripe is going to stop it. They’ll all be on board, quite willingly.

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

11 new locally acquired cases for Vic today. Fan-f’n-tastic.

It’s getting to the stage where you can’t help but feel sorry for the poor silly buggers.

We appreciate your indifference.

:-)

Rule 303 said:

captain_spalding said:

Rule 303 said:

11 new locally acquired cases for Vic today. Fan-f’n-tastic.

It’s getting to the stage where you can’t help but feel sorry for the poor silly buggers.

We appreciate your indifference.

:-)

and then they

Allen Cheng and James Merlino are optimistic restrictions will be able to be eased when the lockdown is scheduled to end

wonder what they aren’t telling us

Things worldwide are looking up. Or should I say down?

Worldwide daily new cases.

Worldwide worst countries. Uruguay is getting worse (sh*t), I really don’t like the combination of high vaccination rate and high death rate in Uruguay. Suriname is way up on the chart this week. When I say that Uruguay is getting worse, covid deaths there went up by 25% this week.

Daily new cases for Suriname.

Australia flu, not so good.

mollwollfumble said:

Things worldwide are looking up. Or should I say down?

Worldwide daily new cases.

Worldwide worst countries. Uruguay is getting worse (sh*t), I really don’t like the combination of high vaccination rate and high death rate in Uruguay. Suriname is way up on the chart this week. When I say that Uruguay is getting worse, covid deaths there went up by 25% this week.

Daily new cases for Suriname.

Australia flu, not so good.

I read somewhere that Aus was having 2000 deaths a year from the flu, we just copped it sweet.
Dunno if that figure is true or not.

just heard bullshit on the drum abc now

some idiot is complaining that other countries are learning to live with the virus, that they’re now fully open enjoying the death games and what is Australia going to be, still locked down

like what the fuck

have they been in Australia in the past year

apart from dumping on Victoria and fucking them up who’s been locked down

Peak Warming Man said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australia flu, not so good.

I read somewhere that Aus was having 2000 deaths a year from the flu, we just copped it sweet.
Dunno if that figure is true or not.

Last time I checked, which was a long time ago, average yearly deaths from flu in Australia were a little less than deaths from covid.

A difference between flu and covid is the age range. Most deaths from flu are young children, aged 5 and under. Most deaths from covid are aged 70 and over.

There’s a graph below from “our world in data”. This is a chart of deaths vs time for Jan 2020 to now from all causes vs an average year for Australia and New Zealand. Deaths were up until April, down until Nov, then up. Australian data is missing after 31 Jan. This roughly correlates with mask wearing, but that may be pure coincidence. It also correlates with Flu incidence in the chart above.

I’m checking covid mortality/fatality now, and hate to say that (contrary to what I said a few days ago) it’s way up again.

6.5% in Poland and Mexico
9.2% in Peru
9.7% in Bulgaria
15.5% in Nigeria
22% in Bosnia and Macedonia
26% in Romania
33% in Bermuda
even higher in Curacao

So here I have two sources (Worldometers and OurWorldInData) seemingly saying wildly different things. The above is from Worldometers. Check OurWorldInData for those specific countries.

9.4% in Mexico
9.4% in Peru (sudden jump up a few days ago)
4.3% in Bulgaria
4.6% in Bosnia
2.9% in Romania
2.6% in Poland
1.3% in Nigeria
(no data) in Bermuda and Curacao

Dang, now I have no idea which data source to trust.

mollwollfumble said:

Peak Warming Man said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australia flu, not so good.

I read somewhere that Aus was having 2000 deaths a year from the flu, we just copped it sweet.
Dunno if that figure is true or not.

Last time I checked, which was a long time ago, average yearly deaths from flu in Australia were a little less than deaths from covid.

A difference between flu and covid is the age range. Most deaths from flu are young children, aged 5 and under. Most deaths from covid are aged 70 and over.

There’s a graph below from “our world in data”. This is a chart of deaths vs time for Jan 2020 to now from all causes vs an average year for Australia and New Zealand. Deaths were up until April, down until Nov, then up. Australian data is missing after 31 Jan. This roughly correlates with mask wearing, but that may be pure coincidence. It also correlates with Flu incidence in the chart above.

I’m checking covid mortality/fatality now, and hate to say that (contrary to what I said a few days ago) it’s way up again.

6.5% in Poland and Mexico
9.2% in Peru
9.7% in Bulgaria
15.5% in Nigeria
22% in Bosnia and Macedonia
26% in Romania
33% in Bermuda
even higher in Curacao

So here I have two sources (Worldometers and OurWorldInData) seemingly saying wildly different things. The above is from Worldometers. Check OurWorldInData for those specific countries.

9.4% in Mexico
9.4% in Peru (sudden jump up a few days ago)
4.3% in Bulgaria
4.6% in Bosnia
2.9% in Romania
2.6% in Poland
1.3% in Nigeria
(no data) in Bermuda and Curacao

Dang, now I have no idea which data source to trust.

>>Last time I checked, which was a long time ago, average yearly deaths from flu in Australia were a little less than deaths from covid.

A difference between flu and covid is the age range. Most deaths from flu are young children, aged 5 and under. Most deaths from covid are aged 70 and over.<<

This is incorrect.

“An individual dying from influenza in 2017 was most likely to be female, aged over 75 years, have multiple co-morbidities and living in the eastern states of Australia.”

lots of detail here:

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2017~Main%20Features~Deaths%20due%20to%20influenza~5#:~:text=Please%20install%20or%20enable%20flash%20on%20you%20browser.,%20%204.6%20%205%20more%20rows%20

I suspect actual lab checking for flu has been increasing of recent years, but was reduced last year due to the necessity to check for COVID19. Generally a person going to the doctor with a cold/flu did not have a swab done, they were just advised it was a cold or flu and how to mitigate the symptoms.

Here is the Australian flu report for this year, with this important note:

Key Messages

It is important to note that due to the COVID-19 epidemic in Australia, data reported from the various influenza surveillance systems may not represent an accurate reflection of influenza activity. Results should be interpreted with caution, especially where comparisons are made to previous influenza seasons. Interpretation of influenza activity data from April 2020 onwards should take into account, but are not limited to, the impact of social distancing measures, likely changes in health seeking behaviour of the community including access to alternative streams of acute respiratory infection specific health services, and focussed testing for COVID-19 response activities. Current COVID-19 related public health measures and the community’s adherence to public health messages are also likely having an effect on transmission of acute respiratory infections, including influenza.

Ref: https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm

mollwollfumble said:

There’s a graph below from “our world in data”. This is a chart of deaths vs time for Jan 2020 to now from all causes vs an average year for Australia and New Zealand. Deaths were up until April, down until Nov, then up. Australian data is missing after 31 Jan. This roughly correlates with mask wearing, but that may be pure coincidence. It also correlates with Flu incidence in the chart above.

In the absence of pandemics and restrictions to control pandemics, what increase in death rate would be expected?

And how was the average year defined?

Thanks to buffy for correction of flu death age. Oops, I know where I went wrong. It’s not deaths from flu that is domanated by the 0 to 5 year age range, it’s cases of flu that is dominated by that age range. From flutracker weekly reports. By contrast, cases of Covid are largely age independent.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

There’s a graph below from “our world in data”. This is a chart of deaths vs time for Jan 2020 to now from all causes vs an average year for Australia and New Zealand. Deaths were up until April, down until Nov, then up. Australian data is missing after 31 Jan. This roughly correlates with mask wearing, but that may be pure coincidence. It also correlates with Flu incidence in the chart above.

In the absence of pandemics and restrictions to control pandemics, what increase in death rate would be expected?

And how was the average year defined?

For full details see https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid I’ve just copied the above graph off that page. Average year is defined as the average over 2015-2019. In the absense of a pandemic, I would expect a slight natural increase due to population size in the at-risk age bracket.

“How is excess mortality measured? Excess mortality can be measured in several ways, each of which depends on an estimate of the expected deaths in 2020–2021 had the COVID-19 pandemic not occurred.

“The simplest approach is to take the raw number of deaths observed in a given period during the COVID-19 pandemic — say Week 10 of 2020, which ended on Sunday 8 March 4 — and subtract, as an estimate of expected deaths, the average deaths in that week over the previous years, for example the last five. While the raw number of deaths helps give us a rough sense of scale, this measure has its limitations, including being less comparable across countries due to large differences in populations.

“A measure that is more comparable across countries is the P-score, which calculates excess mortality as the percentage difference between the number of deaths in 2020–2021 and the average number of deaths in the same period — week or month — over the years 2015–2019.5 For example, if a country had a P-score of 100% in a given week in 2020, that would mean the death count for that week was 100% higher than — that is, double — the average death count in the same week over the previous five years.”

“While the P-score is a useful measure, it too has limitations. For example, the five-year average death count might be a relatively crude measure of expected deaths because it does not account for trends in population size”

Etc.

In other world news, Peru is not doing well. From worldometer, Peru has been shadowing Brazil in terms of covid deaths per unit population and has this week jumped ahead to 5th worst in the world. From ourworldindata the following chart is the excess deaths in Peru, compared with Brazil and other badly affected South American countries.

moll – thanks for reply.

Looking at just the Australian numbers, it looks like deaths were up by about 5% in the summer months, which seems quite a lot, but could be just due to increase in the aged population, given baby boom effects.

The national medical regulator said it has only found one case where a person with vaccine-related thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) or any other related condition died.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-08/tga-clive-almer-grant-broadcasters-ads-vaccine-misinformation/100198330

LOL:

So last night I wasted a few hours to see what the current state of Covid conspiracy thinking is.

It’s a bit of a laugh.

First of all, there is a whole thing about how it’s now “proven” that it was deliberately created, or at least boosted, in a Chinese military biowarfare lab. Probably/definitely/undoubtedly with American funding/assistance. To be the ultimate biowarfare weapon.

Because if there’s one thing that the USA is going to do on the sly it’s develop weapons of mass destruction for the Chinese military.

Then it escaped, or probably was deliberately released. Because obviously the Chinese military would want to release a biowarfare weapon in the centre of China.

Meanwhile, at exactly the same time, it is simultaneously a complete beatup. It only has the same level of danger as the flu/ the common cold/ stubbing your toe. And it has a death rate = 0.000001%. And the fact that every country which has the health system under control, and so has the time and resources to measure and test everyone (like Australia), ends up with a calculated death rate of 2-3% is purely a matter of special circumstance that don’t apply to anyone, not even the country that the numbers come from.

So the huge world wide plague that has shut down the planet is just a giant trick that the USA, all of Europe, Russia, China, Iran, India, all the Middle East, Australia, NZ, South America… they are all conspiring together to fake a plague. Because all those countries are well known for working together and not betraying each other (or even themselves) at the drop of a hat.

OK, I think. Well obviously these are two completely opposed conspiracy theories here. I’ve mixed up two groups… No. I’d find the same individuals pushing both stories. It was a carefully optimized biowarfare superweapon AND a complete myth. At the same time. And countries that have been at war since literally biblical times, and who can’t even build a road without breaking into a gun battle, are cooperating on a huge, coordinated fake plague.

Dark Orange said:

LOL:

So last night I wasted a few hours to see what the current state of Covid conspiracy thinking is.

It’s a bit of a laugh.

First of all, there is a whole thing about how it’s now “proven” that it was deliberately created, or at least boosted, in a Chinese military biowarfare lab. Probably/definitely/undoubtedly with American funding/assistance. To be the ultimate biowarfare weapon.

Because if there’s one thing that the USA is going to do on the sly it’s develop weapons of mass destruction for the Chinese military.

Then it escaped, or probably was deliberately released. Because obviously the Chinese military would want to release a biowarfare weapon in the centre of China.

Meanwhile, at exactly the same time, it is simultaneously a complete beatup. It only has the same level of danger as the flu/ the common cold/ stubbing your toe. And it has a death rate = 0.000001%. And the fact that every country which has the health system under control, and so has the time and resources to measure and test everyone (like Australia), ends up with a calculated death rate of 2-3% is purely a matter of special circumstance that don’t apply to anyone, not even the country that the numbers come from.

So the huge world wide plague that has shut down the planet is just a giant trick that the USA, all of Europe, Russia, China, Iran, India, all the Middle East, Australia, NZ, South America… they are all conspiring together to fake a plague. Because all those countries are well known for working together and not betraying each other (or even themselves) at the drop of a hat.

OK, I think. Well obviously these are two completely opposed conspiracy theories here. I’ve mixed up two groups… No. I’d find the same individuals pushing both stories. It was a carefully optimized biowarfare superweapon AND a complete myth. At the same time. And countries that have been at war since literally biblical times, and who can’t even build a road without breaking into a gun battle, are cooperating on a huge, coordinated fake plague.

To what end is the conspiracy ?

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

LOL:

So last night I wasted a few hours to see what the current state of Covid conspiracy thinking is.

It’s a bit of a laugh.

First of all, there is a whole thing about how it’s now “proven” that it was deliberately created, or at least boosted, in a Chinese military biowarfare lab. Probably/definitely/undoubtedly with American funding/assistance. To be the ultimate biowarfare weapon.

Because if there’s one thing that the USA is going to do on the sly it’s develop weapons of mass destruction for the Chinese military.

Then it escaped, or probably was deliberately released. Because obviously the Chinese military would want to release a biowarfare weapon in the centre of China.

Meanwhile, at exactly the same time, it is simultaneously a complete beatup. It only has the same level of danger as the flu/ the common cold/ stubbing your toe. And it has a death rate = 0.000001%. And the fact that every country which has the health system under control, and so has the time and resources to measure and test everyone (like Australia), ends up with a calculated death rate of 2-3% is purely a matter of special circumstance that don’t apply to anyone, not even the country that the numbers come from.

So the huge world wide plague that has shut down the planet is just a giant trick that the USA, all of Europe, Russia, China, Iran, India, all the Middle East, Australia, NZ, South America… they are all conspiring together to fake a plague. Because all those countries are well known for working together and not betraying each other (or even themselves) at the drop of a hat.

OK, I think. Well obviously these are two completely opposed conspiracy theories here. I’ve mixed up two groups… No. I’d find the same individuals pushing both stories. It was a carefully optimized biowarfare superweapon AND a complete myth. At the same time. And countries that have been at war since literally biblical times, and who can’t even build a road without breaking into a gun battle, are cooperating on a huge, coordinated fake plague.

To what end is the conspiracy ?

Only the Deep State knows.

https://www. nytimes.com/1875/08/17/archives/an-absurd-prejudice .html.

NY Times opinion piece from 1875

Dark Orange said:

LOL:

So last night I wasted a few hours to see what the current state of Covid conspiracy thinking is.

It’s a bit of a laugh.

First of all, there is a whole thing about how it’s now “proven” that it was deliberately created, or at least boosted, in a Chinese military biowarfare lab. Probably/definitely/undoubtedly with American funding/assistance. To be the ultimate biowarfare weapon.

Because if there’s one thing that the USA is going to do on the sly it’s develop weapons of mass destruction for the Chinese military.

Then it escaped, or probably was deliberately released. Because obviously the Chinese military would want to release a biowarfare weapon in the centre of China.

Meanwhile, at exactly the same time, it is simultaneously a complete beatup. It only has the same level of danger as the flu/ the common cold/ stubbing your toe. And it has a death rate = 0.000001%. And the fact that every country which has the health system under control, and so has the time and resources to measure and test everyone (like Australia), ends up with a calculated death rate of 2-3% is purely a matter of special circumstance that don’t apply to anyone, not even the country that the numbers come from.

So the huge world wide plague that has shut down the planet is just a giant trick that the USA, all of Europe, Russia, China, Iran, India, all the Middle East, Australia, NZ, South America… they are all conspiring together to fake a plague. Because all those countries are well known for working together and not betraying each other (or even themselves) at the drop of a hat.

OK, I think. Well obviously these are two completely opposed conspiracy theories here. I’ve mixed up two groups… No. I’d find the same individuals pushing both stories. It was a carefully optimized biowarfare superweapon AND a complete myth. At the same time. And countries that have been at war since literally biblical times, and who can’t even build a road without breaking into a gun battle, are cooperating on a huge, coordinated fake plague.

:)

dv said:

https://www. nytimes.com/1875/08/17/archives/an-absurd-prejudice .html.

NY Times opinion piece from 1875

Not much has changed, has it?

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

Dark Orange said:

LOL:

So last night I wasted a few hours to see what the current state of Covid conspiracy thinking is.

It’s a bit of a laugh.

First of all, there is a whole thing about how it’s now “proven” that it was deliberately created, or at least boosted, in a Chinese military biowarfare lab. Probably/definitely/undoubtedly with American funding/assistance. To be the ultimate biowarfare weapon.

Because if there’s one thing that the USA is going to do on the sly it’s develop weapons of mass destruction for the Chinese military.

Then it escaped, or probably was deliberately released. Because obviously the Chinese military would want to release a biowarfare weapon in the centre of China.

Meanwhile, at exactly the same time, it is simultaneously a complete beatup. It only has the same level of danger as the flu/ the common cold/ stubbing your toe. And it has a death rate = 0.000001%. And the fact that every country which has the health system under control, and so has the time and resources to measure and test everyone (like Australia), ends up with a calculated death rate of 2-3% is purely a matter of special circumstance that don’t apply to anyone, not even the country that the numbers come from.

So the huge world wide plague that has shut down the planet is just a giant trick that the USA, all of Europe, Russia, China, Iran, India, all the Middle East, Australia, NZ, South America… they are all conspiring together to fake a plague. Because all those countries are well known for working together and not betraying each other (or even themselves) at the drop of a hat.

OK, I think. Well obviously these are two completely opposed conspiracy theories here. I’ve mixed up two groups… No. I’d find the same individuals pushing both stories. It was a carefully optimized biowarfare superweapon AND a complete myth. At the same time. And countries that have been at war since literally biblical times, and who can’t even build a road without breaking into a gun battle, are cooperating on a huge, coordinated fake plague.

To what end is the conspiracy ?

Only the Deep State knows.

Russian disinformation weakens existing power structures and are you surprised that they continue to try to breed Lambda Mu Nu Xi Omicron Pi Rho Sigma Tau Upsilon Phi Chi Psi Omega variants while everyone else is watching India

Michael V said:

dv said:

https://www. nytimes.com/1875/08/17/archives/an-absurd-prejudice .html.

NY Times opinion piece from 1875

Not much has changed, has it?

I like his tone. He can’t believe the anti vax attitudes have lasted a full century…

That was an unexpected late call from the Family Practice. Can I come in at 12.15 tomorrow for my first jab. Indeed I can. I think I’m on a cancellation. People are cancelling because they’ve been elsewhere or whatever.

buffy said:

That was an unexpected late call from the Family Practice. Can I come in at 12.15 tomorrow for my first jab. Indeed I can. I think I’m on a cancellation. People are cancelling because they’ve been elsewhere or whatever.

Excellent!

:)

The Rev Dodgson said:

Time for some good news:
AGL mostly fails in trademark court case agaisnt Greenpeace for using logo in campaign

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-08/elephants-wandering-china-caught-on-camera-having-sleep/100199844

https://zenodo.org/record/4477081#.YL9RJ_kzYuU

Caution: Unverified Contents
Papers are not peer-reviewed by Zenodo, and must be regarded as preliminary until peer-reviewed by multiple experts in the field. Thus it should not be regarded as conclusive, or be reported in news media as established information, as the main claims may not stand the test of scientific scrutiny.

A Bayesian analysis concludes beyond a reasonable doubt that SARS-CoV-2 is not a natural zoonosis but instead is laboratory derived

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184

The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak

The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

Dark Orange said:

https://zenodo.org/record/4477081#.YL9RJ_kzYuU

Caution: Unverified Contents
Papers are not peer-reviewed by Zenodo, and must be regarded as preliminary until peer-reviewed by multiple experts in the field. Thus it should not be regarded as conclusive, or be reported in news media as established information, as the main claims may not stand the test of scientific scrutiny.

A Bayesian analysis concludes beyond a reasonable doubt that SARS-CoV-2 is not a natural zoonosis but instead is laboratory derived

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184

The SCIENCE Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak

The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

oh we’re very happy to suggest it all right but to suggest it is most likely, would need plenty more evidence

Australian Deaths 2015 to 2020.
One of those years was really bad, but it wasn’t 2020.
It was 2018.
Why did Australia have an exccess of deaths during the winter of the year 2018?

mollwollfumble said:

Australian Deaths 2015 to 2020.
One of those years was really bad, but it wasn’t 2020.
It was 2018.
Why did Australia have an exccess of deaths during the winter of the year 2018?

You might be able to tease some more information out of here:

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/trends-in-deaths

mollwollfumble said:

Australian Deaths 2015 to 2020.
One of those years was really bad, but it wasn’t 2020.
It was 2018.
Why did Australia have an exccess of deaths during the winter of the year 2018?

That’s a terrible graph…

mollwollfumble said:

Australian Deaths 2015 to 2020.
One of those years was really bad, but it wasn’t 2020.
It was 2018.
Why did Australia have an exccess of deaths during the winter of the year 2018?

From memory, there was a nasty flu went through the aged care facilities.

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australian Deaths 2015 to 2020.
One of those years was really bad, but it wasn’t 2020.
It was 2018.
Why did Australia have an exccess of deaths during the winter of the year 2018?

You might be able to tease some more information out of here:

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/trends-in-deaths

Also try here:

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/age-at-death

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australian Deaths 2015 to 2020.
One of those years was really bad, but it wasn’t 2020.
It was 2018.
Why did Australia have an exccess of deaths during the winter of the year 2018?

From memory, there was a nasty flu went through the aged care facilities.

> You might be able to tease some more information out of here:
> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/trends-in-deaths

Thanks, that’s a help.

Here are a few other countries hard-hit by Covid. (Peru shows excess deaths exceeding 200%). The Uruguay data hasn’t caught up yet.

mollwollfumble said:

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australian Deaths 2015 to 2020.
One of those years was really bad, but it wasn’t 2020.
It was 2018.
Why did Australia have an exccess of deaths during the winter of the year 2018?

From memory, there was a nasty flu went through the aged care facilities.

> You might be able to tease some more information out of here:
> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/trends-in-deaths

Thanks, that’s a help.

Here are a few other countries hard-hit by Covid. (Peru shows excess deaths exceeding 200%). The Uruguay data hasn’t caught up yet.

> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/deaths-in-australia/contents/trends-in-deaths

That’s fascinating, pasrticularly this graph in the introduction. I hadn’t realised that deaths from circulatory diseases had dropped so far or so rapidly.

“Figure 2.3: Potential years of life lost by sex” – We know what they mean.

Figure 3.2 Leading causes of death by age group.

Table 6.3. Life expectancy for people born in 2018. Nice to see Korea so far up the list.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-vaccine-state-difference-raise-doctor-concern/100200364

I’m with the AMA on this one. For goodness sake…make sure the vulnerable are covered, then do the rest. Although I do understand the Feds have been making this difficult.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-vaccine-state-difference-raise-doctor-concern/100200364

I’m with the AMA on this one. For goodness sake…make sure the vulnerable are covered, then do the rest. Although I do understand the Feds have been making this difficult.

My approach is: make sure the superspreaders are covered first, then do the rest.
The most vulnerable tend to be those who spread the virus the least.

Good news for India and the USA. Why are cases in India dropping? Who knows, it’s not the vaccine.

Malaysia in trouble.

Namibia in trouble.

This is Tunisia.

This is Colombia. Covid deaths in Colombia now exceed those in the USA.

So, how do you propose to identify superspreaders, BEFORE they superspread the virus?

mollwollfumble said:

This is Colombia. Covid deaths in Colombia now exceed those in the USA.

Where’d you get Columbia’s figures from? JHU says 93,000.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=columbia+covid+deaths&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

This is Colombia. Covid deaths in Colombia now exceed those in the USA.

Where’d you get Columbia’s figures from? JHU says 93,000.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=columbia+covid+deaths&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Oh you mean daily deaths? Carry on.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

This is Colombia. Covid deaths in Colombia now exceed those in the USA.

Where’d you get Columbia’s figures from? JHU says 93,000.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=columbia+covid+deaths&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Oh you mean daily deaths? Carry on.

Sorry, should have said. Daily deaths smoothed using a 7 day average.

Biweekly deaths per million people from OurWorldInData. Closely matches what I’ve got from Worldometers. Whew.
They only disagree on mortality/fatality rate.

Bahrain is a worry, everything else is confined to South America.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Where’d you get Columbia’s figures from? JHU says 93,000.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=columbia+covid+deaths&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Oh you mean daily deaths? Carry on.

Sorry, should have said. Daily deaths smoothed using a 7 day average.

Biweekly deaths per million people from OurWorldInData. Closely matches what I’ve got from Worldometers. Whew.
They only disagree on mortality/fatality rate.

Bahrain is a worry, everything else is confined to South America.

Biweekly deaths per million people from OurWorldInData.

mollwollfumble said:

Closely matches what I’ve got from Worldometers. Whew.
They only disagree on mortality/fatality rate.

Bahrain is a worry, everything else is confined to South America.

I’m not sure I believe this news article.

Uruguay currently has the highest incidence of deaths per population in the world. 222 deaths / million population / fortnight
This death rate is not declining.
Uruguay also has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. 57% have received at least one dose.
Very few large countries (only Canada, Chile, UK & Israel) have had a faster roll-out of vaccines.

Yet this news article is claiming high effectiveness of vaccines in Uruguay. What do you think?

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/sinovac-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccines-prove-highly-effective-uruguay-2021-06-08/

“Sinovac, Pfizer/BioNtech COVID-19 vaccines prove highly effective in Uruguay”

Sinovac “reduced deaths by 95% and intensive care admissions by 92%, and also showed 61% efficacy in cutting coronavirus infections. A total of 795,684 people at least 14 days after receiving their second dose of Sinovac’s CoronaVac were compared to unvaccinated people to determine the real-world vaccine effectiveness. Pfizer was 94% effective at preventing intensive care unit admissions and deaths, and reduced infections by 78%. Overall, intensive care hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 dropped by more than 90% among Uruguayans who were fully-inoculated.”

How do you reconcile the combination of good vaccine effectiveness, very high vaccine roll-out, and worlds worst death rate?

I’ve been looking for weeks for a decline in the death rate in Uruguay, but it hasn’t happened.

mollwollfumble said:

Biweekly deaths per million people from OurWorldInData.

mollwollfumble said:

Closely matches what I’ve got from Worldometers. Whew.
They only disagree on mortality/fatality rate.

Bahrain is a worry, everything else is confined to South America.

I’m not sure I believe this news article.

Uruguay currently has the highest incidence of deaths per population in the world. 222 deaths / million population / fortnight
This death rate is not declining.
Uruguay also has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. 57% have received at least one dose.
Very few large countries (only Canada, Chile, UK & Israel) have had a faster roll-out of vaccines.

Yet this news article is claiming high effectiveness of vaccines in Uruguay. What do you think?

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/sinovac-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccines-prove-highly-effective-uruguay-2021-06-08/

“Sinovac, Pfizer/BioNtech COVID-19 vaccines prove highly effective in Uruguay”

Sinovac “reduced deaths by 95% and intensive care admissions by 92%, and also showed 61% efficacy in cutting coronavirus infections. A total of 795,684 people at least 14 days after receiving their second dose of Sinovac’s CoronaVac were compared to unvaccinated people to determine the real-world vaccine effectiveness. Pfizer was 94% effective at preventing intensive care unit admissions and deaths, and reduced infections by 78%. Overall, intensive care hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 dropped by more than 90% among Uruguayans who were fully-inoculated.”

How do you reconcile the combination of good vaccine effectiveness, very high vaccine roll-out, and worlds worst death rate?

I’ve been looking for weeks for a decline in the death rate in Uruguay, but it hasn’t happened.

What about in Imalsoaguy

mollwollfumble said:

South America listed as a country…. is it an average of all South American countries or is it supposed to be South Africa?

so how is it that all these cases go between VIC and QLD continually and yet NSW never cops any of their transmission

SCIENCE said:

so how is it that all these cases go between VIC and QLD continually and yet NSW never cops any of their transmission

Flying?

Driving, wearing a mask at servos.

Hitchhikers?

SCIENCE said:

so how is it that all these cases go between VIC and QLD continually and yet NSW never cops any of their transmission

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so how is it that all these cases go between VIC and QLD continually and yet NSW never cops any of their transmission

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

All clear on the Western Front. FTM.

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so how is it that all these cases go between VIC and QLD continually and yet NSW never cops any of their transmission

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

All clear on the Western Front. FTM.

I somehow doubt it. 2 days in Moree. And a lot of time at two venues.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

All clear on the Western Front. FTM.

I somehow doubt it. 2 days in Moree. And a lot of time at two venues.

WA is the western front.

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

All clear on the Western Front. FTM.

I somehow doubt it. 2 days in Moree. And a lot of time at two venues.

WA is the western front.

I thought you were talking about western NSW.

They went to the cinema in Dubbo and, for four hours, too.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

I somehow doubt it. 2 days in Moree. And a lot of time at two venues.

WA is the western front.

I thought you were talking about western NSW.

They went to the cinema in Dubbo and, for four hours, too.

LOL, this could be big.
They also stopped in at a shed load of places in Qld. too, probably mixed with a heap of people travelling to the game tonight. They stopped in Spaldings town too.

The Shovel

JUST IN: A woman who travelled from Melb to Sunshine Coast has tested positive for COVID-19. The Courier Mail is urgently checking the woman’s skin colour to see if she should feature on tomorrow’s front page.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so how is it that all these cases go between VIC and QLD continually and yet NSW never cops any of their transmission

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

I missed this. I suppose I should go back and read it.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

so how is it that all these cases go between VIC and QLD continually and yet NSW never cops any of their transmission

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

I missed this. I suppose I should go back and read it.

She could be in quite a bit of shit.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

I missed this. I suppose I should go back and read it.

She could be in quite a bit of shit.

You know the family who travelled to NSW before (?) the lockdown and then tested positive to a different version from what everyone else was having…were they in the same NSW areas?

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

I missed this. I suppose I should go back and read it.

She could be in quite a bit of shit.

You know the family who travelled to NSW before (?) the lockdown and then tested positive to a different version from what everyone else was having…were they in the same NSW areas?

I may be able to concoct a conspiracy theory here!

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Well, we’ll see.

NSW exposure sites announced:

Tuesday, June 1

• Caltex Narrandera, Gillenbah, 1 Newell Highway, between 10:30 and 11:00am
• Vandenberg Hotel, Forbes, 7 Court St, between 6:00pm and 10:00pm

Wednesday, June 2

• Brew Coffee Bar, Forbes, 1/99 Lachlan St, between 7:00am and 10:00am
• CSC – Church St Cafe, Dubbo, 15 Church St, between 11:30am and 2.30pm
• Reading Cinemas, Dubbo, 49 Macquire St,
• Homestead Motel, Dubbo, 101 Cobra St, between 12:00pm and 10:00am the next day

Thursday, June 3

• Gwydir Carpark/Motel and Thermal Pools, 4 Amaroo Drive, Moree, between 1:45pm and 7:30am on Saturday June 5
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 1:30pm and 4:30pm

Friday, June 4

• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 7:00am and 9:30am
• Cafe Omega, Moree, 145 Balo Street, between 11:50am and 2:00pm
• Amaroo Tavern, Moree, Amaroo Drive, between 4:30pm and 11:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/covid-live-updates-australia-victoria-lockdown-delta-vaccine/100199722

I missed this. I suppose I should go back and read it.

She could be in quite a bit of shit.

Yes. And hubby, too.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

I missed this. I suppose I should go back and read it.

She could be in quite a bit of shit.

You know the family who travelled to NSW before (?) the lockdown and then tested positive to a different version from what everyone else was having…were they in the same NSW areas?

No, I don’t think they were. Up the NSW Coast, then returned via the Hume Highway.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

She could be in quite a bit of shit.

You know the family who travelled to NSW before (?) the lockdown and then tested positive to a different version from what everyone else was having…were they in the same NSW areas?

No, I don’t think they were. Up the NSW Coast, then returned via the Hume Highway.

But wait…Mr buffy says it’s Rule’s fault…he was in Queensland…

I’ll just put this here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/melburnians-travel-bubble-australia-new-zealand-covid-19/100202344

And before any NSWers comment, remember Tony Abbott and the Northern Beaches lockdown incident…

buffy said:

I’ll just put this here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-09/melburnians-travel-bubble-australia-new-zealand-covid-19/100202344

And before any NSWers comment, remember Tony Abbott and the Northern Beaches lockdown incident…

Lol.

This is how you get Australia’s longest and most consistent state lockdowns.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

You know the family who travelled to NSW before (?) the lockdown and then tested positive to a different version from what everyone else was having…were they in the same NSW areas?

No, I don’t think they were. Up the NSW Coast, then returned via the Hume Highway.

But wait…Mr buffy says it’s Rule’s fault…he was in Queensland…

Cairns would be completely shut down by now, if it were us.

Sitrep: Vic.

Rule 303 said:

Sitrep: Vic.

More rain is on the way for Melbourne, 8:05pm

Rule 303 said:

Sitrep: Vic.

LOL

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

The UK also recorded 3,165 new positive cases in the same 24-hour period with the spread of the Indian variant of the virus bringing a rise in cases over the month of May.

“I fear it may be a bad decision to go with it,” he told the BBC.

Meanwhile in Scotland, which is operating on a tiered lockdown system for different parts of the country, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced a pause in the easing of restrictions for millions of people due to a rise in cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-02/uk-records-zero-covid-deaths-for-first-time-since-pandemic-began/100183274

LOL

LOL

well, well, unwell

Ah COVID-19 If Only It Killed More People It Would Heal Even More Planets Even More

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-07/thousands-of-eggs-abandoned-after-drone-crash-at-orange-county-nature-reserve

The seabirds that should have been keeping watch had taken off, terrified by a drone that crash-landed into their nesting grounds on an island at the Bolsa Chica Ecological Reserve.

“We’ve never seen such devastation here,” said Melissa Loebl, an environmental scientist who manages the Huntington Beach reserve. “This has been really hard for me as a manager.”

Some 3,000 elegant terns fled the reserve after the drone crashed May 12, leaving behind 1,500 to 2,000 eggs, none of them viable. It was the largest egg abandonment that scientists who work there can recall.

As for the birds, which are highly sensitive to perceived threats — nobody is sure what happened to them.

“We actually still don’t know where they are,” Loebl said.

The mass abandonment was the culmination of a year of issues caused by increased traffic to the reserve, which has seen the number of visitors double as the COVID-19 pandemic sent droves of people outdoors. There has been an uptick in bicyclists, who sometimes carve trails off established paths and disturb sensitive areas, and more people have been bringing dogs, which can scare wildlife and leave behind waste. Both are prohibited in the reserve, as they threaten to flush birds off their nests.

Although elegant terns are not considered threatened or endangered, Bolsa Chica is one of just four known nesting sites, said Michael H. Horn, professor emeritus of biology at Cal State Fullerton. The others are at the Los Angeles Harbor, in San Diego and in Mexico’s Gulf of California.

“We worry about them because there’s so few nesting sites, not so much because of their numbers,” he said. “So that’s a reason why if a nest site doesn’t produce or fails, that’s concerning.”

Horn said it’s possible the elegant terns fled to other nesting sites, and they could even nest again and produce more eggs before the summer ends.

Scientists Have Calculated The Weight of All The SARS-CoV-2 in The World

If all the SARS-CoV-2 particles currently circulating in humans around the globe were gathered together into one place, they would weigh somewhere between the weight of an apple and that of a young toddler, according to a new study.

more…

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/09/clive-palmer-anti-vaccine-ads-pulled-over-false-claims-about-hundreds-of-deaths

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/09/clive-palmer-anti-vaccine-ads-pulled-over-false-claims-about-hundreds-of-deaths

We knew it ALL ALONG all those excess DEATHS they LIED to us about, you know those ones who actually died WITH but not OF COVID-19, they were actually from the vaccine MICROCHIPS and AUTISM ¡¡¡!!!!!¡

SCIENCE said:

bq. Professor Bennett said if it turned out the couple had no exemption to travel, it raised concerns for contact tracing and public health messaging.

“Crossing the interstate borders twice, to get through NSW to Queensland, really just isn’t worth the risk,” she said.

“It would just be terrible if at this late stage, we now got another complication in another state that was completely avoidable.”

1. can’t we just blame Dan for this
2. why didn’t these bastards just simply return the favour to SA and not fup poor innocent NSW and QLD ¿
   

sorry wrong thread

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

roughbarked said:

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

well might be more surprising if he didn’t

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

well might be more surprising if he didn’t

I was thinking that until I read that he had tested positive.

roughbarked said:

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

Hmm, they were reporting earlier that he didn’t have it which was regarded as a good sign.
But now it’s not so good.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

Hmm, they were reporting earlier that he didn’t have it which was regarded as a good sign.
But now it’s not so good.

It also means that the others that hadn’t tested positive thus far, may still do so.

roughbarked said:

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

Yes, but…

“Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said the husband had originally tested negative but serology results in the past 24 hours showed that the couple are both towards the end of their illness.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/qld-covid-sunshine-coast-update-caloundra-melbourne/100138516

So his initial negative must have been a poor reading?

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

Yes, but…

“Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said the husband had originally tested negative but serology results in the past 24 hours showed that the couple are both towards the end of their illness.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/qld-covid-sunshine-coast-update-caloundra-melbourne/100138516

So his initial negative must have been a poor reading?

Sounds like it.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Husband of woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus

Yes, but…

“Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said the husband had originally tested negative but serology results in the past 24 hours showed that the couple are both towards the end of their illness.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/qld-covid-sunshine-coast-update-caloundra-melbourne/100138516

So his initial negative must have been a poor reading?

Sounds like it.

maybe it was a late reading like they claim does happen when people are just shedding

they aren’t herds but maybe they’re sheds

Clive Palmer’s debunked COVID-19 vaccine death claims circulate despite warning from regulator
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-debunked-fact-check-clive-palmer/100197266

Clive Palmer is a political troll. The government should see him as a political troll and go after him.

Maybe we need new laws on political trolls who continually want to swim in grey waters.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Clive Palmer’s debunked COVID-19 vaccine death claims circulate despite warning from regulator
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-debunked-fact-check-clive-palmer/100197266

Clive Palmer is a political troll. The government should see him as a political troll and go after him.

Maybe we need new laws on political trolls who continually want to swim in grey waters.

How can we stop all the broken thongs from getting left on the beach?

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Clive Palmer’s debunked COVID-19 vaccine death claims circulate despite warning from regulator
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-debunked-fact-check-clive-palmer/100197266

Clive Palmer is a political troll. The government should see him as a political troll and go after him.

Maybe we need new laws on political trolls who continually want to swim in grey waters.

How can we stop all the broken thongs from getting left on the beach?

Well, we could put signs up.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Clive Palmer’s debunked COVID-19 vaccine death claims circulate despite warning from regulator
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-debunked-fact-check-clive-palmer/100197266

Clive Palmer is a political troll. The government should see him as a political troll and go after him.

Maybe we need new laws on political trolls who continually want to swim in grey waters.

How can we stop all the broken thongs from getting left on the beach?

Well, we could put signs up.

Yeah, sings; Signs signs everywhere a sign do this do that can’t you read the sign?

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Clive Palmer’s debunked COVID-19 vaccine death claims circulate despite warning from regulator
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-debunked-fact-check-clive-palmer/100197266

Clive Palmer is a political troll. The government should see him as a political troll and go after him.

Maybe we need new laws on political trolls who continually want to swim in grey waters.

How can we stop all the broken thongs from getting left on the beach?

if only someone had saved that shark infested milkshake video but sadly we didn’t

Some mention on the news about another AZ blood clot death.

As of today 20% of Australians have had at least one dose, but only 2.6% are fully vaxed.

I expect that second number to shoot up now, as we are three weeks past the date when over 50s became widely eligible (and three weeks is the minimum gap between shots).

dv said:

As of today 20% of Australians have had at least one dose, but only 2.6% are fully vaxed.

I expect that second number to shoot up now, as we are three weeks past the date when over 50s became widely eligible (and three weeks is the minimum gap between shots).

I’m due in September for my second shot of AZ. Mr buffy is about 3 weeks ahead of me, early August.

buffy said:

dv said:

As of today 20% of Australians have had at least one dose, but only 2.6% are fully vaxed.

I expect that second number to shoot up now, as we are three weeks past the date when over 50s became widely eligible (and three weeks is the minimum gap between shots).

I’m due in September for my second shot of AZ. Mr buffy is about 3 weeks ahead of me, early August.

One dose of vaccine

Both doses of vaccine

reasonable hank

“Former health minister Jill Hennessy has opened up about years of vile abuse from anti-vaxxers warning the movement is putting lives at risk.

In an exclusive interview with the Saturday Herald Sun, Ms Hennessy, Victorian health minister between 2014 and 2018, said she was routinely abused, harassed, followed and threatened by committed anti-vaxxers.

She said for a period of time she was in contact with agencies responsible for security on a near daily basis with some threats extending to her young family.

Relentless trolling and threats also forced her to increase security measures at her home and office and monitor movements of the most ardent anti-vax crusaders.

“They were completely devoted to attacking my pro-vaccination stance and came at me at both a political and personal level, online, physically, through my children, through my staff, through my offices,” she said.
“And they did that consistently. Other than a sense of kind of sick personal satisfaction, what was in it for them, I’ve never really been able to answer that question.

It comes as Victoria has called on the Commonwealth government to increase its supply of COVID-19 vaccines amid soaring demand for the jab.

In her time as health minister Ms Hennessy spearheaded the state’s “no jab, no play” laws that mandated child vaccination as a prerequisite to childcare or kinder enrolment.

The move was later credited with boosting the immunisation rate above 95 per cent, the highest vaccination rates ever recorded in the state.

Ms Hennessy also navigated a raft of other significant social reform policies through parliament.
They included reforms on issues including assisted dying, safe access zones for women’s health services, and medicinal cannabis.

But she said never was she met with as much abuse or harassment as she was from the anti-vax movement.
And she said she was bombarded with hate mail and misogynistic and often violent social media messages whenever policies to increase vaccination rates were aired.

“Of all the organised opponents that I have encountered on policy and law reform, they were the most vicious, they were the most organised, they were the most personalised and abusive and threatening,” she said.
It forced her to close down offices, ban her children from social media, and protect staff from torrents of abuse.
“They were horrific. A very, very, very, vicious group of people,” she said.
“There was a period of time where it was genuinely combative. They would monitor me … they are a very organised vitriolic force.

“And that is completely different to people who have got legitimate questions that should be connected with good trusted regulated sources of advice.”

After four years as health minister Ms Hennessy was promoted to the Attorney-General portfolio, but stepped down last year for personal reasons.

However she remains one of the government’s most senior and respected MPs.
She said wild conspiracy theories motivated committed anti-vaxxers.

“A switch has flicked in some of these people who have become convinced that there is an international conspiracy among big pharmaceutical companies,” she said.

“And there is no way that even putting up the evidence that vaccination is one of the greatest success stories of public health can persuade them.

“They have lost the ability to be persuaded by evidence. In the heat of public debate we often think there’s an argument either way, but on modern vaccination there is not.

“Vaccinations have been the subject of great scrutiny and scientific consensus over a great period of time.”
Ms Hennessy said that even now, three years since she held the health portfolio, she still copped abuse.
“It is by no means as regular, but of course they continue to follow me,” she said.

Ms Hennessy said the abuse was “occasionally brutal” and could leave her feeling frustrated or resentful.
She said she genuinely understood concern around the COVID-19 vaccine and said it was right for people to ask questions.

“Community commitment to getting the Covid jab has increased as people have had their questions answered, she said.

I think people are being reminded through just recent outbreaks that the risk of getting Covid is far more damaging to them and to the community than being vaccinated

“If people have got a question for God’s sake, ask it of your doctor, don’t ask it of anti-vax crackpots on the internet.”

Bogsnorkler said:

reasonable hank

“Former health minister Jill Hennessy has opened up about years of vile abuse from anti-vaxxers warning the movement is putting lives at risk.

In an exclusive interview with the Saturday Herald Sun, Ms Hennessy, Victorian health minister between 2014 and 2018, said she was routinely abused, harassed, followed and threatened by committed anti-vaxxers.

She said for a period of time she was in contact with agencies responsible for security on a near daily basis with some threats extending to her young family.

Relentless trolling and threats also forced her to increase security measures at her home and office and monitor movements of the most ardent anti-vax crusaders.

“They were completely devoted to attacking my pro-vaccination stance and came at me at both a political and personal level, online, physically, through my children, through my staff, through my offices,” she said.
“And they did that consistently. Other than a sense of kind of sick personal satisfaction, what was in it for them, I’ve never really been able to answer that question.

It comes as Victoria has called on the Commonwealth government to increase its supply of COVID-19 vaccines amid soaring demand for the jab.

In her time as health minister Ms Hennessy spearheaded the state’s “no jab, no play” laws that mandated child vaccination as a prerequisite to childcare or kinder enrolment.

The move was later credited with boosting the immunisation rate above 95 per cent, the highest vaccination rates ever recorded in the state.

Ms Hennessy also navigated a raft of other significant social reform policies through parliament.
They included reforms on issues including assisted dying, safe access zones for women’s health services, and medicinal cannabis.

But she said never was she met with as much abuse or harassment as she was from the anti-vax movement.
And she said she was bombarded with hate mail and misogynistic and often violent social media messages whenever policies to increase vaccination rates were aired.

“Of all the organised opponents that I have encountered on policy and law reform, they were the most vicious, they were the most organised, they were the most personalised and abusive and threatening,” she said.
It forced her to close down offices, ban her children from social media, and protect staff from torrents of abuse.
“They were horrific. A very, very, very, vicious group of people,” she said.
“There was a period of time where it was genuinely combative. They would monitor me … they are a very organised vitriolic force.

“And that is completely different to people who have got legitimate questions that should be connected with good trusted regulated sources of advice.”

After four years as health minister Ms Hennessy was promoted to the Attorney-General portfolio, but stepped down last year for personal reasons.

However she remains one of the government’s most senior and respected MPs.
She said wild conspiracy theories motivated committed anti-vaxxers.

“A switch has flicked in some of these people who have become convinced that there is an international conspiracy among big pharmaceutical companies,” she said.

“And there is no way that even putting up the evidence that vaccination is one of the greatest success stories of public health can persuade them.

“They have lost the ability to be persuaded by evidence. In the heat of public debate we often think there’s an argument either way, but on modern vaccination there is not.

“Vaccinations have been the subject of great scrutiny and scientific consensus over a great period of time.”
Ms Hennessy said that even now, three years since she held the health portfolio, she still copped abuse.
“It is by no means as regular, but of course they continue to follow me,” she said.

Ms Hennessy said the abuse was “occasionally brutal” and could leave her feeling frustrated or resentful.
She said she genuinely understood concern around the COVID-19 vaccine and said it was right for people to ask questions.

“Community commitment to getting the Covid jab has increased as people have had their questions answered, she said.

I think people are being reminded through just recent outbreaks that the risk of getting Covid is far more damaging to them and to the community than being vaccinated

“If people have got a question for God’s sake, ask it of your doctor, don’t ask it of anti-vax crackpots on the internet.”

Antivaxxers spread misinformation.

Its about time misinformation like this was dealt with. It creates damage.

Bogsnorkler said:

reasonable hank

“Former health minister Jill Hennessy has opened up about years of vile abuse from anti-vaxxers warning the movement is putting lives at risk.

In an exclusive interview with the Saturday Herald Sun, Ms Hennessy, Victorian health minister between 2014 and 2018, said she was routinely abused, harassed, followed and threatened by committed anti-vaxxers.

She said for a period of time she was in contact with agencies responsible for security on a near daily basis with some threats extending to her young family.

Relentless trolling and threats also forced her to increase security measures at her home and office and monitor movements of the most ardent anti-vax crusaders.

“They were completely devoted to attacking my pro-vaccination stance and came at me at both a political and personal level, online, physically, through my children, through my staff, through my offices,” she said.
“And they did that consistently. Other than a sense of kind of sick personal satisfaction, what was in it for them, I’ve never really been able to answer that question.

It comes as Victoria has called on the Commonwealth government to increase its supply of COVID-19 vaccines amid soaring demand for the jab.

In her time as health minister Ms Hennessy spearheaded the state’s “no jab, no play” laws that mandated child vaccination as a prerequisite to childcare or kinder enrolment.

The move was later credited with boosting the immunisation rate above 95 per cent, the highest vaccination rates ever recorded in the state.

Ms Hennessy also navigated a raft of other significant social reform policies through parliament.
They included reforms on issues including assisted dying, safe access zones for women’s health services, and medicinal cannabis.

But she said never was she met with as much abuse or harassment as she was from the anti-vax movement.
And she said she was bombarded with hate mail and misogynistic and often violent social media messages whenever policies to increase vaccination rates were aired.

“Of all the organised opponents that I have encountered on policy and law reform, they were the most vicious, they were the most organised, they were the most personalised and abusive and threatening,” she said.
It forced her to close down offices, ban her children from social media, and protect staff from torrents of abuse.
“They were horrific. A very, very, very, vicious group of people,” she said.
“There was a period of time where it was genuinely combative. They would monitor me … they are a very organised vitriolic force.

“And that is completely different to people who have got legitimate questions that should be connected with good trusted regulated sources of advice.”

After four years as health minister Ms Hennessy was promoted to the Attorney-General portfolio, but stepped down last year for personal reasons.

However she remains one of the government’s most senior and respected MPs.
She said wild conspiracy theories motivated committed anti-vaxxers.

“A switch has flicked in some of these people who have become convinced that there is an international conspiracy among big pharmaceutical companies,” she said.

“And there is no way that even putting up the evidence that vaccination is one of the greatest success stories of public health can persuade them.

“They have lost the ability to be persuaded by evidence. In the heat of public debate we often think there’s an argument either way, but on modern vaccination there is not.

“Vaccinations have been the subject of great scrutiny and scientific consensus over a great period of time.”
Ms Hennessy said that even now, three years since she held the health portfolio, she still copped abuse.
“It is by no means as regular, but of course they continue to follow me,” she said.

Ms Hennessy said the abuse was “occasionally brutal” and could leave her feeling frustrated or resentful.
She said she genuinely understood concern around the COVID-19 vaccine and said it was right for people to ask questions.

“Community commitment to getting the Covid jab has increased as people have had their questions answered, she said.

I think people are being reminded through just recent outbreaks that the risk of getting Covid is far more damaging to them and to the community than being vaccinated

“If people have got a question for God’s sake, ask it of your doctor, don’t ask it of anti-vax crackpots on the internet.”

Do the state government ministers get the same level of protection from intelligence agencies as would be if the anti-vaxxers made threats against the Federal health minister?

party_pants said:

Bogsnorkler said:

reasonable hank

“Former health minister Jill Hennessy has opened up about years of vile abuse from anti-vaxxers warning the movement is putting lives at risk.

In an exclusive interview with the Saturday Herald Sun, Ms Hennessy, Victorian health minister between 2014 and 2018, said she was routinely abused, harassed, followed and threatened by committed anti-vaxxers.

She said for a period of time she was in contact with agencies responsible for security on a near daily basis with some threats extending to her young family.

Relentless trolling and threats also forced her to increase security measures at her home and office and monitor movements of the most ardent anti-vax crusaders.

“They were completely devoted to attacking my pro-vaccination stance and came at me at both a political and personal level, online, physically, through my children, through my staff, through my offices,” she said.
“And they did that consistently. Other than a sense of kind of sick personal satisfaction, what was in it for them, I’ve never really been able to answer that question.

It comes as Victoria has called on the Commonwealth government to increase its supply of COVID-19 vaccines amid soaring demand for the jab.

In her time as health minister Ms Hennessy spearheaded the state’s “no jab, no play” laws that mandated child vaccination as a prerequisite to childcare or kinder enrolment.

The move was later credited with boosting the immunisation rate above 95 per cent, the highest vaccination rates ever recorded in the state.

Ms Hennessy also navigated a raft of other significant social reform policies through parliament.
They included reforms on issues including assisted dying, safe access zones for women’s health services, and medicinal cannabis.

But she said never was she met with as much abuse or harassment as she was from the anti-vax movement.
And she said she was bombarded with hate mail and misogynistic and often violent social media messages whenever policies to increase vaccination rates were aired.

“Of all the organised opponents that I have encountered on policy and law reform, they were the most vicious, they were the most organised, they were the most personalised and abusive and threatening,” she said.
It forced her to close down offices, ban her children from social media, and protect staff from torrents of abuse.
“They were horrific. A very, very, very, vicious group of people,” she said.
“There was a period of time where it was genuinely combative. They would monitor me … they are a very organised vitriolic force.

“And that is completely different to people who have got legitimate questions that should be connected with good trusted regulated sources of advice.”

After four years as health minister Ms Hennessy was promoted to the Attorney-General portfolio, but stepped down last year for personal reasons.

However she remains one of the government’s most senior and respected MPs.
She said wild conspiracy theories motivated committed anti-vaxxers.

“A switch has flicked in some of these people who have become convinced that there is an international conspiracy among big pharmaceutical companies,” she said.

“And there is no way that even putting up the evidence that vaccination is one of the greatest success stories of public health can persuade them.

“They have lost the ability to be persuaded by evidence. In the heat of public debate we often think there’s an argument either way, but on modern vaccination there is not.

“Vaccinations have been the subject of great scrutiny and scientific consensus over a great period of time.”
Ms Hennessy said that even now, three years since she held the health portfolio, she still copped abuse.
“It is by no means as regular, but of course they continue to follow me,” she said.

Ms Hennessy said the abuse was “occasionally brutal” and could leave her feeling frustrated or resentful.
She said she genuinely understood concern around the COVID-19 vaccine and said it was right for people to ask questions.

“Community commitment to getting the Covid jab has increased as people have had their questions answered, she said.

I think people are being reminded through just recent outbreaks that the risk of getting Covid is far more damaging to them and to the community than being vaccinated

“If people have got a question for God’s sake, ask it of your doctor, don’t ask it of anti-vax crackpots on the internet.”

Do the state government ministers get the same level of protection from intelligence agencies as would be if the anti-vaxxers made threats against the Federal health minister?

I expect they get protection based on an estimation of the threat regardless of their position.

Bogsnorkler said:

“Of all the organised opponents that I have encountered on policy and law reform, they were the most vicious, they were the most organised, they were the most personalised and abusive and threatening,” she said.
It forced her to close down offices, ban her children from social media, and protect staff from torrents of abuse.
“They were horrific. A very, very, very, vicious group of people,” she said.
“There was a period of time where it was genuinely combative. They would monitor me … they are a very organised vitriolic force.

Who needs a police state when the libertarians can enforce compliance and restrict your … wait,

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

dv said:

As of today 20% of Australians have had at least one dose, but only 2.6% are fully vaxed.

I expect that second number to shoot up now, as we are three weeks past the date when over 50s became widely eligible (and three weeks is the minimum gap between shots).

I’m due in September for my second shot of AZ. Mr buffy is about 3 weeks ahead of me, early August.

One dose of vaccine

Both doses of vaccine

ah so even the best in this race top out at 59%, well under the claimed 2/3 flock immunity threshold so loudly claimed many months ago, excellent

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

“Of all the organised opponents that I have encountered on policy and law reform, they were the most vicious, they were the most organised, they were the most personalised and abusive and threatening,” she said.
It forced her to close down offices, ban her children from social media, and protect staff from torrents of abuse.
“They were horrific. A very, very, very, vicious group of people,” she said.
“There was a period of time where it was genuinely combative. They would monitor me … they are a very organised vitriolic force.

Who needs a police state when the libertarians can enforce compliance and restrict your … wait,

Exactly M r Science. Your right on the spot with thiat.

dint’ read it but coz I’m into tim tams right now, but yo know. You say the best hey but what.

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I’m due in September for my second shot of AZ. Mr buffy is about 3 weeks ahead of me, early August.

One dose of vaccine

Both doses of vaccine

ah so even the best in this race top out at 59%, well under the claimed 2/3 flock immunity threshold so loudly claimed many months ago, excellent

Jeeze be fucked a doodle/ I’ve got my javb on Tuesday., Wisah me luck.

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

I’m due in September for my second shot of AZ. Mr buffy is about 3 weeks ahead of me, early August.

One dose of vaccine

Both doses of vaccine

ah so even the best in this race top out at 59%, well under the claimed 2/3 flock immunity threshold so loudly claimed many months ago, excellent

“flock immunity” = “herd immunity” is a euphemism for doing nothing. Just wait until 2/3 of the population has recovered from being sick.

Already Uruguay is approaching that vaccination rate and is showing no signs of herd immunity. :-(

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/foo-fighters-covid-vaccine-concert-b1863350.html

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/foo-fighters-covid-vaccine-concert-b1863350.html

BUY BUY BUY

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/foo-fighters-covid-vaccine-concert-b1863350.html

BUY BUY BUY

Appropriate link of the name foo fighters to the cause.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

well, well, unwell

oh

Australia is unlikely to achieve herd immunity because of the current level of vaccine hesitancy and the highly infectious nature of new COVID variants, new modelling shows.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-06-11/australians-need-to-be-vaccinated-to-stop-covid-restrictions/100195208

nice sleight of mind there, pretty sure the actual experts have pointed out for a long time that ineffective vaccines were never going to achieve flock immunity in the first place

SARS-CoV-2 Antigens Leaking from Gut to Blood Might Trigger MIS-C

Researchers find traces of SARS-CoV-2 in the stool and blood of kids with the post–COVID-19 inflammatory disorder, and signs of increased intestinal permeability.

Since the early reports of a severe COVID-19–related condition called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children a few months into the pandemic, doctors and scientists have joined efforts to understand it, but its cause is still uncertain. According to a study published in The Journal of Clinical Investigation on May 25, researchers propose that it is brought on when viral particles in the gut of these patients make their way into the blood. They found that weeks after an initial SARS-CoV-2 infection, kids had viral RNA in their stool and antigens in their blood along with markers of a leaky gut, suggesting that the trafficking of antigens—specifically, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein—from the gut to the bloodstream might be driving MIS-C.

This work “adds an additional perspective on the pathogenesis” of this syndrome, says Petter Brodin, a pediatric immunologist at the Karolinska Institute and the Karolinska University Hospital in Sweden who was not involved in the study.

In adults, severe COVID-19 disease is associated with the presence of the virus in the blood, says Lael Yonker, a pediatric pulmonologist at Massachusetts General Hospital and a coauthor of the study. Although doctors have looked, they hadn’t detected the virus in the blood of kids with MIS-C, a rare and severe hyperinflammatory condition that is responsible for 35 children’s deaths in the US. If there are no whole viruses in the blood, maybe there could be viral particles, Yonker says her team reasoned. So they decided to look for antigens in the blood.

The study involved 100 children (19 with MIS-C, 26 with acute COVID-19, and 55 healthy controls). They found significantly higher levels of viral antigens in the blood of MIS-C patients than in the rest of the kids.

—Anne Rowley, Northwestern University and the Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago
The researchers had previously been unable to detect notable viral particles in respiratory secretions from most children with MIS-C, so the antigens in the blood must have come from somewhere else. The predominance of gastrointestinal symptoms—diarrhea, vomiting, no appetite—in MIS-C motivated the team to look in the gut. They analyzed the stool of these kids and found evidence of viral RNA. SARS-CoV-2, apparently, had found a niche.

The team also found that MIS-C patients showed significantly higher levels of zonulin, a protein that modulates intercellular tight junctions, than did the other kids in the study. High levels of zonulin are associated with increased permeability of the gut, and have been implicated in several disorders, including celiac disease.

According to the authors, the prolonged presence of the virus in the gut might disrupt its microbiome, stimulating zonulin release. The subsequent loss of the gastrointestinal mucosal barrier’s integrity leads to the leakage of the spike protein into the blood, they speculate. Previous work—some involving the authors of this study—have proposed that a subunit of the spike acts as a superantigen, triggering the hyperinflammatory response observed in MIS-C patients. The spike protein leaking from the gut into the blood could complete the model of how the condition comes about.

More:
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/sars-cov-2-antigens-leaking-from-gut-to-blood-might-trigger-mis-c-68845

Almost Everyone Finds This Joke Hilarious. Do You ¿

The court was told Higgs was affected by alcohol when he stopped outside the fence of the McGowan home about 8:30pm and yelled “f..k you Mark McGowan”.

“I’m going to kill you, Mark. You’ve done nothing for me,” he added.

Higgs then walked away while still yelling obscenities.

He was arrested a short time later and, in an interview with police, apologised for what he had done.

The duty lawyer who represented Higgs today said he had made no attempt to enter the McGowan property and walked off down the road of his volition.

She said he was extremely remorseful and appreciated the effect of his actions on his victims, describing the offence as “a drunken mistake”.

“It was intended as a joke,” she said

—

that said we can imagine other settings in which such a sequence could in fact be used as a joke

SCIENCE said:

Almost Everyone Finds This Joke Hilarious. Do You ¿

The court was told Higgs was affected by alcohol when he stopped outside the fence of the McGowan home about 8:30pm and yelled “f..k you Mark McGowan”.

“I’m going to kill you, Mark. You’ve done nothing for me,” he added.

Higgs then walked away while still yelling obscenities.

He was arrested a short time later and, in an interview with police, apologised for what he had done.

The duty lawyer who represented Higgs today said he had made no attempt to enter the McGowan property and walked off down the road of his volition.

She said he was extremely remorseful and appreciated the effect of his actions on his victims, describing the offence as “a drunken mistake”.

“It was intended as a joke,” she said

—

that said we can imagine other settings in which such a sequence could in fact be used as a joke

can we?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Almost Everyone Finds This Joke Hilarious. Do You ¿

The court was told Higgs was affected by alcohol when he stopped outside the fence of the McGowan home about 8:30pm and yelled “f..k you Mark McGowan”.

“I’m going to kill you, Mark. You’ve done nothing for me,” he added.

Higgs then walked away while still yelling obscenities.

He was arrested a short time later and, in an interview with police, apologised for what he had done.

The duty lawyer who represented Higgs today said he had made no attempt to enter the McGowan property and walked off down the road of his volition.

She said he was extremely remorseful and appreciated the effect of his actions on his victims, describing the offence as “a drunken mistake”.

“It was intended as a joke,” she said

—

that said we can imagine other settings in which such a sequence could in fact be used as a joke

can we?

Threats to kill charge, doesn’t matter if you are drunk, probably a fine or community order and if his first offence possibly a spent conviction

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Almost Everyone Finds This Joke Hilarious. Do You ¿

The court was told Higgs was affected by alcohol when he stopped outside the fence of the McGowan home about 8:30pm and yelled “f..k you Mark McGowan”.

“I’m going to kill you, Mark. You’ve done nothing for me,” he added.

Higgs then walked away while still yelling obscenities.

He was arrested a short time later and, in an interview with police, apologised for what he had done.

The duty lawyer who represented Higgs today said he had made no attempt to enter the McGowan property and walked off down the road of his volition.

She said he was extremely remorseful and appreciated the effect of his actions on his victims, describing the offence as “a drunken mistake”.

“It was intended as a joke,” she said

—

that said we can imagine other settings in which such a sequence could in fact be used as a joke

can we?

This is why presidents and prime ministers end up with expensive fortified official residences.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Almost Everyone Finds This Joke Hilarious. Do You ¿

The court was told Higgs was affected by alcohol when he stopped outside the fence of the McGowan home about 8:30pm and yelled “f..k you Mark McGowan”.

“I’m going to kill you, Mark. You’ve done nothing for me,” he added.

Higgs then walked away while still yelling obscenities.

He was arrested a short time later and, in an interview with police, apologised for what he had done.

The duty lawyer who represented Higgs today said he had made no attempt to enter the McGowan property and walked off down the road of his volition.

She said he was extremely remorseful and appreciated the effect of his actions on his victims, describing the offence as “a drunken mistake”.

“It was intended as a joke,” she said

—

that said we can imagine other settings in which such a sequence could in fact be used as a joke

can we?

This is why presidents and prime ministers end up with expensive fortified official residences.

premiers not so lucky

but for those wondering if we’re absolute psychopaths then apart from the “obviously duh” bit it’s not unimaginable that between very familiar friends “f..k you John Smith I’m going to kill you, John. You’ve done nothing for me” could be taken more lightly

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

can we?

This is why presidents and prime ministers end up with expensive fortified official residences.

premiers not so lucky

but for those wondering if we’re absolute psychopaths then apart from the “obviously duh” bit it’s not unimaginable that between very familiar friends “f..k you John Smith I’m going to kill you, John. You’ve done nothing for me” could be taken more lightly

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30
Threat to kill
If—

(a) a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person— (i) intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or (ii) being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and (b) the threat is made— (i) without lawful excuse; and (ii) in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

This is why presidents and prime ministers end up with expensive fortified official residences.

premiers not so lucky

but for those wondering if we’re absolute psychopaths then apart from the “obviously duh” bit it’s not unimaginable that between very familiar friends “f..k you John Smith I’m going to kill you, John. You’ve done nothing for me” could be taken more lightly

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30
Threat to kill
If—

(a) a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person— (i) intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or (ii) being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and (b) the threat is made— (i) without lawful excuse; and (ii) in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

exactly so yes we can apparently without even being psychopaths

SCIENCE said:

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

premiers not so lucky

but for those wondering if we’re absolute psychopaths then apart from the “obviously duh” bit it’s not unimaginable that between very familiar friends “f..k you John Smith I’m going to kill you, John. You’ve done nothing for me” could be taken more lightly

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30
Threat to kill
If—

(a) a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person— (i) intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or (ii) being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and (b) the threat is made— (i) without lawful excuse; and (ii) in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

exactly so yes we can apparently without even being psychopaths

Too complicated. I can’t parse that one.

Can you use plain English, please.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

esselte said:

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30
Threat to kill
If—

(a) a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person— (i) intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or (ii) being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and (b) the threat is made— (i) without lawful excuse; and (ii) in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

exactly so yes we can apparently without even being psychopaths

Too complicated. I can’t parse that one.

Can you use plain English, please.

Hello, Michael, and welcome to the forum .

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

esselte said:

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30
Threat to kill
If—

(a) a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person— (i) intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or (ii) being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and (b) the threat is made— (i) without lawful excuse; and (ii) in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

exactly so yes we can apparently without even being psychopaths

Too complicated. I can’t parse that one.

Can you use plain English, please.

Some drunk dude shouted threats at Mark and got done by the law even though his lawyers claimed it was a joke.

SCIENCE claimed that apart from being an absolutely hilarious joke in that specific instance, there would be other times when the threats could actually be understood to have been made in jest.

esselte provided supporting articles from the law indicating that this is indeed a possible scenario, but the forum formatting made it difficult to read. We try to remedy that below, but the short of it first.

Essentially the law allows for a circumstance where a reasonable person may or may not fear that a threat to kill would actually be threatening.

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30

Threat to kill

If—


        (a)     a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person—

              (i)     intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or

              (ii)     being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and

        (b)     the threat is made—

              (i)     without lawful excuse; and

              (ii)     in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

	
the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

exactly so yes we can apparently without even being psychopaths

Too complicated. I can’t parse that one.

Can you use plain English, please.

Some drunk dude shouted threats at Mark and got done by the law even though his lawyers claimed it was a joke.

SCIENCE claimed that apart from being an absolutely hilarious joke in that specific instance, there would be other times when the threats could actually be understood to have been made in jest.

esselte provided supporting articles from the law indicating that this is indeed a possible scenario, but the forum formatting made it difficult to read. We try to remedy that below, but the short of it first.

Essentially the law allows for a circumstance where a reasonable person may or may not fear that a threat to kill would actually be threatening.

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30

Threat to kill

If—


        (a)     a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person—

              (i)     intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or

              (ii)     being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and

        (b)     the threat is made—

              (i)     without lawful excuse; and

              (ii)     in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

	
the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

Note that we disagree with the technical framing of the law in this format, in that the conjunctions and disjunctions are placed not in between lines, but grammatically at the end of lines, thereby negatively impacting their visual association to their relevant block structures for the purposes of interpretation.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Too complicated. I can’t parse that one.

Can you use plain English, please.

Some drunk dude shouted threats at Mark and got done by the law even though his lawyers claimed it was a joke.

SCIENCE claimed that apart from being an absolutely hilarious joke in that specific instance, there would be other times when the threats could actually be understood to have been made in jest.

esselte provided supporting articles from the law indicating that this is indeed a possible scenario, but the forum formatting made it difficult to read. We try to remedy that below, but the short of it first.

Essentially the law allows for a circumstance where a reasonable person may or may not fear that a threat to kill would actually be threatening.

CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 30

Threat to kill

If—


        (a)     a person makes a threat to another person to kill that other person or any third person—

              (i)     intending that other person to fear that the threat would be carried out; or

              (ii)     being reckless whether or not that other person would fear that the threat would be carried out; and

        (b)     the threat is made—

              (i)     without lawful excuse; and

              (ii)     in circumstances in which a reasonable person would fear that the threat would be carried out;

	
the firstmentioned person is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 10 years.

Note that we disagree with the technical framing of the law in this format, in that the conjunctions and disjunctions are placed not in between lines, but grammatically at the end of lines, thereby negatively impacting their visual association to their relevant block structures for the purposes of interpretation.

Look just don’t make threats and you will have nothing to come back at you.

Cases of heart inflammation found in young men after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines: US CDC
By Michael Erman and Manojna Maddipatla
June 11, 2021 — 6.04am

Washington: The US has flagged a higher-than-expected number of young men experiencing heart inflammation after their second dose of the mRNA COVID-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, after the Centres for Disease Control examined vaccine safety data. on Friday AEST.

The US agency and other health regulators have been investigating heart inflammation cases after Israel’s Health Ministry reported that it had found a likely link to the condition in young men who received Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

According to an Israeli health ministry report leaked to the Times of Israel in late April, out of more than 5 million people vaccinated at that time, 62 were diagnosed with myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, within days of receiving their Pfizer dose, of which 56 were recorded after the second shot, chiefly in men under 30. Two of the patients, a 22-year-old woman and a 35-year-old man, died.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cases-of-heart-inflammation-found-in-young-men-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-us-cdc-20210611-p5803i.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cases of heart inflammation found in young men after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines: US CDC
By Michael Erman and Manojna Maddipatla
June 11, 2021 — 6.04am

Washington: The US has flagged a higher-than-expected number of young men experiencing heart inflammation after their second dose of the mRNA COVID-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, after the Centres for Disease Control examined vaccine safety data. on Friday AEST.

The US agency and other health regulators have been investigating heart inflammation cases after Israel’s Health Ministry reported that it had found a likely link to the condition in young men who received Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

According to an Israeli health ministry report leaked to the Times of Israel in late April, out of more than 5 million people vaccinated at that time, 62 were diagnosed with myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, within days of receiving their Pfizer dose, of which 56 were recorded after the second shot, chiefly in men under 30. Two of the patients, a 22-year-old woman and a 35-year-old man, died.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cases-of-heart-inflammation-found-in-young-men-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-us-cdc-20210611-p5803i.html

lol Australian media weeks behind again

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cases of heart inflammation found in young men after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines: US CDC
By Michael Erman and Manojna Maddipatla
June 11, 2021 — 6.04am

Washington: The US has flagged a higher-than-expected number of young men experiencing heart inflammation after their second dose of the mRNA COVID-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, after the Centres for Disease Control examined vaccine safety data. on Friday AEST.

The US agency and other health regulators have been investigating heart inflammation cases after Israel’s Health Ministry reported that it had found a likely link to the condition in young men who received Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

According to an Israeli health ministry report leaked to the Times of Israel in late April, out of more than 5 million people vaccinated at that time, 62 were diagnosed with myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, within days of receiving their Pfizer dose, of which 56 were recorded after the second shot, chiefly in men under 30. Two of the patients, a 22-year-old woman and a 35-year-old man, died.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cases-of-heart-inflammation-found-in-young-men-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-us-cdc-20210611-p5803i.html

lol Australian media weeks behind again

Possibly. This is the first time i have read that there have been fatalities though.

probably died with it and not from it

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

According to an Israeli health ministry report leaked to the Times of Israel in late April, out of more than 5 million people vaccinated at that time, 62 were diagnosed with myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, within days of receiving their Pfizer dose, of which 56 were recorded after the second shot, chiefly in men under 30. Two of the patients, a 22-year-old woman and a 35-year-old man, died.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/cases-of-heart-inflammation-found-in-young-men-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-us-cdc-20210611-p5803i.html

lol Australian media weeks behind again

Possibly. This is the first time i have read that there have been fatalities though.

maybe that’s it, the denial-alarmists think that it’s only important if someone dies, there’s no concern if disease is severe or debilitating only if it’s lethal

Victoria has recorded one new locally acquired case of COVID-19.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

well, well, unwell

oh

Good News, Vaccine Escape Variant Selection In The UK Virology Laboratory Is Almost Complete And Ready For Leakage

Alternative Title: Good News, Virologists Were Right All Along When They Reassured Us There Would Be No Flock Immunity To Coronaviruses

seems a bit unfair, much glue does easily come unstuck

SCIENCE said:

seems a bit unfair, much glue does easily come unstuck

Anyway, they should be following the engineering, not the science.

SCIENCE said:

I’ll watch the ‘Q&A’ highlights this arvo. Do you know the name of this economist?

SCIENCE said:

Why introduce race into this piece?

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Why introduce race into this piece?

why introduce gender into this piece?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

I’ll watch the ‘Q&A’ highlights this arvo. Do you know the name of this economist?

Economist Cameron Murray causes a stir on Q+A by claiming Australia’s COVID-19 response has been over the top and the vaccine “was a stroke of luck”.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

I’ll watch the ‘Q&A’ highlights this arvo. Do you know the name of this economist?

Economist Cameron Murray causes a stir on Q+A by claiming Australia’s COVID-19 response has been over the top and the vaccine “was a stroke of luck”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/economist-cameron-murray-qa-covid-complacency-australia/100206838

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

I’ll watch the ‘Q&A’ highlights this arvo. Do you know the name of this economist?

Economist Cameron Murray causes a stir on Q+A by claiming Australia’s COVID-19 response has been over the top and the vaccine “was a stroke of luck”.

Thanks Roughy.

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Why introduce race into this piece?

why introduce gender into this piece?

That too.

Tamb said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

Why introduce race into this piece?

why introduce gender into this piece?

That too.

did he talk over any of the males on the panel?

SCIENCE said:

What does his skin colour and sex have to do with it?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What does his skin colour and sex have to do with it?

The ABC seems to think it’s relevant.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What does his skin colour and sex have to do with it?

The ABC seems to think it’s relevant.

Isn’t it the twitter user who is making it around race and gender?

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What does his skin colour and sex have to do with it?

The ABC seems to think it’s relevant.

what has the ABC got to do with this?

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I’ll watch the ‘Q&A’ highlights this arvo. Do you know the name of this economist?

Economist Cameron Murray causes a stir on Q+A by claiming Australia’s COVID-19 response has been over the top and the vaccine “was a stroke of luck”.

Thanks Roughy.

No wukkas mate.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What does his skin colour and sex have to do with it?

The ABC seems to think it’s relevant.

Isn’t it the twitter user who is making it around race and gender?

yep. Must be bash the ABC day.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What does his skin colour and sex have to do with it?

some white males in our white male dominated society have a tendency to do this. this was being pointed out.

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What does his skin colour and sex have to do with it?

The ABC seems to think it’s relevant.

what has the ABC got to do with this?

:)

It seems my question was a little late.

As a regular watcher of debates on the ABC (although not Q&A much these days), I’d say their worthy attention to having gender and ethnic diverse discussion panels puts a lie to the myth that it is only old white men who arrogantly talk over other contributors to the discussion.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

The ABC seems to think it’s relevant.

what has the ABC got to do with this?

:)

It seems my question was a little late.

As a regular watcher of debates on the ABC (although not Q&A much these days), I’d say their worthy attention to having gender and ethnic diverse discussion panels puts a lie to the myth that it is only old white men who arrogantly talk over other contributors to the discussion.

I think the people on the panel might not reflect the average population.

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

what has the ABC got to do with this?

:)

It seems my question was a little late.

As a regular watcher of debates on the ABC (although not Q&A much these days), I’d say their worthy attention to having gender and ethnic diverse discussion panels puts a lie to the myth that it is only old white men who arrogantly talk over other contributors to the discussion.

I think the people on the panel might not reflect the average population.

What does that have to do with anything?

You aren’t indulging in a bit of stereotyping here are you?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

:)

It seems my question was a little late.

As a regular watcher of debates on the ABC (although not Q&A much these days), I’d say their worthy attention to having gender and ethnic diverse discussion panels puts a lie to the myth that it is only old white men who arrogantly talk over other contributors to the discussion.

I think the people on the panel might not reflect the average population.

What does that have to do with anything?

You aren’t indulging in a bit of stereotyping here are you?

it what way stereotyping?

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

what has the ABC got to do with this?

:)

It seems my question was a little late.

As a regular watcher of debates on the ABC (although not Q&A much these days), I’d say their worthy attention to having gender and ethnic diverse discussion panels puts a lie to the myth that it is only old white men who arrogantly talk over other contributors to the discussion.

I think the people on the panel might not reflect the average population.

Think I’ve said that before ..

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I think the people on the panel might not reflect the average population.

What does that have to do with anything?

You aren’t indulging in a bit of stereotyping here are you?

it what way stereotyping?

You appear to be suggesting that the behaviour of a particular white male reflects the general behaviour of white males.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What does that have to do with anything?

You aren’t indulging in a bit of stereotyping here are you?

it what way stereotyping?

You appear to be suggesting that the behaviour of a particular white male reflects the general behaviour of white males.

No.

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

it what way stereotyping?

You appear to be suggesting that the behaviour of a particular white male reflects the general behaviour of white males.

No.

Glad I misinterpreted then :)

Bogsnorkler said:

I think the people on the panel might not reflect the average population.

true most people aren’t experts

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tamb said:

The ABC seems to think it’s relevant.

Isn’t it the twitter user who is making it around race and gender?

yep. Must be bash the ABC day.

uh calling out one genderace is bashing the abc since when

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

You appear to be suggesting that the behaviour of a particular white male reflects the general behaviour of white males.

No.

Glad I misinterpreted then :)

do probability distributions reasonably represent the distributions of probabilities

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Isn’t it the twitter user who is making it around race and gender?

yep. Must be bash the ABC day.

uh calling out one genderace is bashing the abc since when

when the original post wasn’t from the ABC yet they got drugged in somehow.

Bogsnorkler said:

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

yep. Must be bash the ABC day.

uh calling out one genderace is bashing the abc since when

when the original post wasn’t from the ABC yet they got drugged in somehow.

ah well apologies we did not intend the drugging

“However, both parties accept that some readers misinterpreted the article as an accusation of guilt against the ABC. That reading, which was not intended by SCIENCE, is regretted,” the contributor’s post reads.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

No.

Glad I misinterpreted then :)

do probability distributions reasonably represent the distributions of probabilities

Some do and some don’t.

But surely the question is, does the approximation to the mean of numerous attributes reasonably represent any given member of the population?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Glad I misinterpreted then :)

do probability distributions reasonably represent the distributions of probabilities

Some do and some don’t.

But surely the question is, does the approximation to the mean of numerous attributes reasonably represent any given member of the population?

but that’s a misuse of stereotypism since utility arises if there is correlation even if not causation between some attributes and others

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

do probability distributions reasonably represent the distributions of probabilities

Some do and some don’t.

But surely the question is, does the approximation to the mean of numerous attributes reasonably represent any given member of the population?

but that’s a misuse of stereotypism since utility arises if there is correlation even if not causation between some attributes and others

There is potential utility perhaps, but there is also potential disutility, which, it seems to me, is the outcome far more often.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Some do and some don’t.

But surely the question is, does the approximation to the mean of numerous attributes reasonably represent any given member of the population?

but that’s a misuse of stereotypism since utility arises if there is correlation even if not causation between some attributes and others

There is potential utility perhaps, but there is also potential disutility, which, it seems to me, is the outcome far more often.

good point, which makes the more important questions

1. at what level of attributinal correlation even if not causation would utility predominate over disutility ¿
2. what other factors generate disutility over utility that the influence of such factors may be minimised ¿

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I’ll watch the ‘Q&A’ highlights this arvo. Do you know the name of this economist?

Economist Cameron Murray causes a stir on Q+A by claiming Australia’s COVID-19 response has been over the top and the vaccine “was a stroke of luck”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/economist-cameron-murray-qa-covid-complacency-australia/100206838

there’s a lot of bullshit these days, a tendency to dismiss how much functional normal persists despite whatever, it’s not limited to the subject of coronavirus, the normal that already exists and is working well is dismissed and obliterated, to make the case for change, it’s a mind virus of activism (and probably the Left to some extent), but TV and media more broadly seem to deploy it, probably works around a cognitive anomaly, a paradoxical dimension, but the slippery bullshit also is evident in more general aspects of social life, related the propensity for preferred explanations, or the force of shared preferred explanations

so what do you geniuses think this is all about then

https://www.fda.gov/media/150054/download#page=18

heart uses fat for energy and guess what these dodgy mRNA vaccines use, lipid NANOPARTICLE vehicles

so they eject all their mRNA into the heart muscles all at once and then the fun begins

¿

transition said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Economist Cameron Murray causes a stir on Q+A by claiming Australia’s COVID-19 response has been over the top and the vaccine “was a stroke of luck”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/economist-cameron-murray-qa-covid-complacency-australia/100206838

there’s a lot of bullshit these days, a tendency to dismiss how much functional normal persists despite whatever, it’s not limited to the subject of coronavirus, the normal that already exists and is working well is dismissed and obliterated, to make the case for change, it’s a mind virus of activism (and probably the Left to some extent), but TV and media more broadly seem to deploy it, probably works around a cognitive anomaly, a paradoxical dimension, but the slippery bullshit also is evident in more general aspects of social life, related the propensity for preferred explanations, or the force of shared preferred explanations

why not just say “this Cameron Murray idiot is wrong” and save the ovine

SCIENCE said:

so what do you geniuses think this is all about then

https://www.fda.gov/media/150054/download#page=18

heart uses fat for energy and guess what these dodgy mRNA vaccines use, lipid NANOPARTICLE vehicles

so they eject all their mRNA into the heart muscles all at once and then the fun begins

¿

anyway in our search we found this piece of ferric right here

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/115/15/E3351.full.pdf

a study by AstraZeneca on mRNA lipid vaccines WTLOL genius

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/economist-cameron-murray-qa-covid-complacency-australia/100206838

there’s a lot of bullshit these days, a tendency to dismiss how much functional normal persists despite whatever, it’s not limited to the subject of coronavirus, the normal that already exists and is working well is dismissed and obliterated, to make the case for change, it’s a mind virus of activism (and probably the Left to some extent), but TV and media more broadly seem to deploy it, probably works around a cognitive anomaly, a paradoxical dimension, but the slippery bullshit also is evident in more general aspects of social life, related the propensity for preferred explanations, or the force of shared preferred explanations

why not just say “this Cameron Murray idiot is wrong” and save the ovine

I haven’t watched it, got other things to do

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

there’s a lot of bullshit these days, a tendency to dismiss how much functional normal persists despite whatever, it’s not limited to the subject of coronavirus, the normal that already exists and is working well is dismissed and obliterated, to make the case for change, it’s a mind virus of activism (and probably the Left to some extent), but TV and media more broadly seem to deploy it, probably works around a cognitive anomaly, a paradoxical dimension, but the slippery bullshit also is evident in more general aspects of social life, related the propensity for preferred explanations, or the force of shared preferred explanations

why not just say “this Cameron Murray idiot is wrong” and save the ovine

I haven’t watched it, got other things to do

like write 104 words where 4 would do, makes sense, genius

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

why not just say “this Cameron Murray idiot is wrong” and save the ovine

I haven’t watched it, got other things to do

like write 104 words where 4 would do, makes sense, genius

Why use many word when few will do.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

why not just say “this Cameron Murray idiot is wrong” and save the ovine

I haven’t watched it, got other things to do

like write 104 words where 4 would do, makes sense, genius

you actually counted the words, mate, give me a break, get a life, go count your recent posts, save me an unnecessary post responding in future and having to point out you’re being territorial

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

I haven’t watched it, got other things to do

like write 104 words where 4 would do, makes sense, genius

you actually counted the words, mate, give me a break, get a life, go count your recent posts, save me an unnecessary post responding in future and having to point out you’re being territorial

What only 34 words?

What’s going on here?

(actually, I tend to agree with you this time)

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

I haven’t watched it, got other things to do

like write 104 words where 4 would do, makes sense, genius

Why use many word when few will do.

Back from Wolf patrol.

Above sounds like when the theatre lights balcked out while the Chinese magician was on stage.

‘Stay calm, ladies and gentlemen’, said the magician, ‘and please raise hands in air.’

The audience did so, and immediately the lights came back on.

‘It is as proverb says’, said the magician. ‘Many hands make light work.’

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

I haven’t watched it, got other things to do

like write 104 words where 4 would do, makes sense, genius

you actually counted the words, mate, give me a break, get a life, go count your recent posts, save me an unnecessary post responding in future and having to point out you’re being territorial

LOL. I like this little battle between you two. You do get upset when your bloviating is pointed out.

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

like write 104 words where 4 would do, makes sense, genius

you actually counted the words, mate, give me a break, get a life, go count your recent posts, save me an unnecessary post responding in future and having to point out you’re being territorial

What only 34 words?

What’s going on here?

(actually, I tend to agree with you this time)

LOL. I like this little battle between you two. You do get upset when your bloviating is pointed out.

wait what as you all know we are bots, artificial intelligence, that kind of thing, it’s hardly any effort at all to get some words counted, joke’s on the countee

or what if we told everyone that part of our >= 3 lives is that we’re software engineers, it literally takes 1 line to get some words counted, it’s simple too, we give you a break at every [^A-Za-z0-9’\-]+ and Bogs’ your Rev le, mate

+ and Bogs’ your Rev le, mate

-
EZ 4 u 2 say

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What only 34 words?

What’s going on here?

(actually, I tend to agree with you this time)

LOL. I like this little battle between you two. You do get upset when your bloviating is pointed out.

wait what as you all know we are bots, artificial intelligence, that kind of thing, it’s hardly any effort at all to get some words counted, joke’s on the countee

or what if we told everyone that part of our >= 3 lives is that we’re software engineers, it literally takes 1 line to get some words counted, it’s simple too, we give you a break at every [^A-Za-z0-9’\-]+ and Bogs’ your Rev le, mate

still you counted them, it’s like you want me to come back, want a cuddle or something

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

LOL. I like this little battle between you two. You do get upset when your bloviating is pointed out.

wait what as you all know we are bots, artificial intelligence, that kind of thing, it’s hardly any effort at all to get some words counted, joke’s on the countee

or what if we told everyone that part of our >= 3 lives is that we’re software engineers, it literally takes 1 line to get some words counted, it’s simple too, we give you a break at every [^A-Za-z0-9’\-]+ and Bogs’ your Rev le, mate

still you counted them, it’s like you want me to come back, want a cuddle or something

18

Dinner report: Seafood Chowder. Chunky grainy sour dough bread toasted in the oven with olive oil.

Over.

Rule 303 said:

Dinner report: Seafood Chowder. Chunky grainy sour dough bread toasted in the oven with olive oil.

Over.

R

CS to R303

Diner report here:

Saturday night special.

Supermarket spring rolls. Choice of soy sauce/sweet chilli sauce dip.

Over.

Where Sweden is at:

https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

Projections:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=infections

And projections for us.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/australia?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=infections

buffy said:

Where Sweden is at:

https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

Gotta love this!

Wearing a mask with an open-air valve on it!

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Where Sweden is at:

https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

Gotta love this!

Wearing a mask with an open-air valve on it!

Someone forgot to tell the photographer what was to be photographed…

Rule 303 said:

Dinner report: Seafood Chowder. Chunky grainy sour dough bread toasted in the oven with olive oil.

Over.

Good. Good report.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

wait what as you all know we are bots, artificial intelligence, that kind of thing, it’s hardly any effort at all to get some words counted, joke’s on the countee

or what if we told everyone that part of our >= 3 lives is that we’re software engineers, it literally takes 1 line to get some words counted, it’s simple too, we give you a break at every [^A-Za-z0-9’\-]+ and Bogs’ your Rev le, mate

still you counted them, it’s like you want me to come back, want a cuddle or something

18

$ echo “still you counted them, it’s like you want me to come back, want a cuddle or something” | awk ‘{print NF}’
17

Are you running an Intel-based machine, SCIENCE?

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Where Sweden is at:

https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

Gotta love this!

Wearing a mask with an open-air valve on it!

I suppose if they’re working in a ward already full of confirmed covid, it’s more about protecting the wearer rather than those around them. Or that particular mask may be the only available one that’s suitable for that individual worker.

badchap said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Where Sweden is at:

https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

Gotta love this!

Wearing a mask with an open-air valve on it!

I suppose if they’re working in a ward already full of confirmed covid, it’s more about protecting the wearer rather than those around them. Or that particular mask may be the only available one that’s suitable for that individual worker.

or they might be a backroom worker where breathing out poses no risk.

badchap said:

Rule 303 said:

buffy said:

Where Sweden is at:

https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief

Gotta love this!

Wearing a mask with an open-air valve on it!

I suppose if they’re working in a ward already full of confirmed covid, it’s more about protecting the wearer rather than those around them. Or that particular mask may be the only available one that’s suitable for that individual worker.

To be entirely honest, I have used that exact model of mask, with the valve taped over from the inside, and valve housing stuffed full of cotton wool from the outside, but without those modifications, it’s still not a really good seal against the outside world (on the inhale).

I recently had to do a fit test for various high level protection face masks, even though my department doesn’t operate in a patient-facing capacity. (I’m guessing healthcare organisations have to ensure every staff member across the board is able to have increased level PPE in a worst case scenario). We each had to be fitted for a variety of masks, each one leaning forward, turning side to side, talking etc., and the seal of each mask was measured. There was a bunch of masks to test- they wanted you to pass at least 3 out of the first bunch of 5. If you didn’t get that far there was a further group of higher level, more expensive masks to get through. Trying the masks made me remember photos I’d seen last year of healthcare staff and their skin damage after wearing that level of mask for hours. So glad we don’t need to wear these things. It’s enough to have all the other layers.

badchap said:

I recently had to do a fit test for various high level protection face masks, even though my department doesn’t operate in a patient-facing capacity. (I’m guessing healthcare organisations have to ensure every staff member across the board is able to have increased level PPE in a worst case scenario). We each had to be fitted for a variety of masks, each one leaning forward, turning side to side, talking etc., and the seal of each mask was measured. There was a bunch of masks to test- they wanted you to pass at least 3 out of the first bunch of 5. If you didn’t get that far there was a further group of higher level, more expensive masks to get through. Trying the masks made me remember photos I’d seen last year of healthcare staff and their skin damage after wearing that level of mask for hours. So glad we don’t need to wear these things. It’s enough to have all the other layers.

I have to admit that seeing the damage from masks made me want to try the range of things we use on feet/crotches/armpits/nipples for super-endurance athletes. Is that weird? Like, I’m pretty sure I’ve got about ten ways to stop your nose skin falling to bits from being rubbed by a mask.

Rule 303 said:

badchap said:

I recently had to do a fit test for various high level protection face masks, even though my department doesn’t operate in a patient-facing capacity. (I’m guessing healthcare organisations have to ensure every staff member across the board is able to have increased level PPE in a worst case scenario). We each had to be fitted for a variety of masks, each one leaning forward, turning side to side, talking etc., and the seal of each mask was measured. There was a bunch of masks to test- they wanted you to pass at least 3 out of the first bunch of 5. If you didn’t get that far there was a further group of higher level, more expensive masks to get through. Trying the masks made me remember photos I’d seen last year of healthcare staff and their skin damage after wearing that level of mask for hours. So glad we don’t need to wear these things. It’s enough to have all the other layers.

I have to admit that seeing the damage from masks made me want to try the range of things we use on feet/crotches/armpits/nipples for super-endurance athletes. Is that weird? Like, I’m pretty sure I’ve got about ten ways to stop your nose skin falling to bits from being rubbed by a mask.

I have an astronaut suit which I wear outside now, mine has some new features called exoskeleton assist mode, exoskeleton turbo mode and exoskeleton ludicrous mode which propelled me through a crowd of antivaxx protestors in less than three seconds, the jet pack is awesome. Its got lights too for night.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Rule 303 said:

badchap said:

I recently had to do a fit test for various high level protection face masks, even though my department doesn’t operate in a patient-facing capacity. (I’m guessing healthcare organisations have to ensure every staff member across the board is able to have increased level PPE in a worst case scenario). We each had to be fitted for a variety of masks, each one leaning forward, turning side to side, talking etc., and the seal of each mask was measured. There was a bunch of masks to test- they wanted you to pass at least 3 out of the first bunch of 5. If you didn’t get that far there was a further group of higher level, more expensive masks to get through. Trying the masks made me remember photos I’d seen last year of healthcare staff and their skin damage after wearing that level of mask for hours. So glad we don’t need to wear these things. It’s enough to have all the other layers.

I have to admit that seeing the damage from masks made me want to try the range of things we use on feet/crotches/armpits/nipples for super-endurance athletes. Is that weird? Like, I’m pretty sure I’ve got about ten ways to stop your nose skin falling to bits from being rubbed by a mask.

I have an astronaut suit which I wear outside now, mine has some new features called exoskeleton assist mode, exoskeleton turbo mode and exoskeleton ludicrous mode which propelled me through a crowd of antivaxx protestors in less than three seconds, the jet pack is awesome. Its got lights too for night.

we think you’re going about that wrong, you need something more like this

Let’s see if I have my worldwide list of approved vaccines correct. I count 16 different vaccines being used worldwide.

• Oxford/AstraZeneca
• Pfizer/BioNTech
• Sinopharm/Beijing
• Sinopharm/Wuhan
• Sinovac
• Sputnik V
• Johnson&Johnson
• Moderna
• Covaxin
• BBIBP-CorV
• CanSino
• Abdala
• Soberana02
• QazVac
• EpiVacCorona
• and whatever North Korea is using.

right

https://www.westpac.com.au/news/money-matters/2021/05/just-not-the-same-the-workers-over-wfh/

“WFH” may have become one of the most common acronyms of the past year or so as COVID-19 lockdowns spurred a rise in flexible work practices, particularly working from home. But for some people, they’re pining for what it replaced: the office. Sam Baker, a Melbourne-based sales manager in the telecoms industry, says his drive and motivation started dwindling as soon as his company switched to working from home during the first COVID lockdown last year. His perspectives are shared by many.

In December, BCG research showed almost two thirds of employees wanted a hybrid working model of WFH and the office. “People are really ready to return to the office,” claims Balder Tol, general manager for Australia and Southeast Asia at WeWork, which provides flexible office space to organisations. “While some companies aren’t yet ready to make long term commitments on their future workspace needs, maintaining culture, attracting and retaining talent remains key. After months of working from home, many people have felt the impacts of isolation and loneliness: our members are telling us they want to come back.”

Although most people reported higher productivity levels when working from home, CBRE’s Workforce Sentiment Survey found that a significant minority of 8 per cent did not. For those who have already returned to the office, productivity and personal wellbeing has shot up. Morale rose for 40 per cent of people who are spending at least one day per week in an office, and by 54 per cent for those who returned four to five days.

Rule 303 said:

badchap said:

I recently had to do a fit test for various high level protection face masks, even though my department doesn’t operate in a patient-facing capacity. (I’m guessing healthcare organisations have to ensure every staff member across the board is able to have increased level PPE in a worst case scenario). We each had to be fitted for a variety of masks, each one leaning forward, turning side to side, talking etc., and the seal of each mask was measured. There was a bunch of masks to test- they wanted you to pass at least 3 out of the first bunch of 5. If you didn’t get that far there was a further group of higher level, more expensive masks to get through. Trying the masks made me remember photos I’d seen last year of healthcare staff and their skin damage after wearing that level of mask for hours. So glad we don’t need to wear these things. It’s enough to have all the other layers.

I have to admit that seeing the damage from masks made me want to try the range of things we use on feet/crotches/armpits/nipples for super-endurance athletes. Is that weird? Like, I’m pretty sure I’ve got about ten ways to stop your nose skin falling to bits from being rubbed by a mask.

I dunno Rule. In order to be effective, the seal against the face was quite uncomfortable, but when talking you could feel the pressure areas straight away, like shoes rubbing on your heel. Breathing and movement weren’t very easy. I’m just glad to not have to wear that for hours and having to talk through it. By the end of the working day, I’ve had enough of the regular light mask on top of the rest of our normal everyday PPE.

badchap said:

I recently had to do a fit test for various high level protection face masks, even though my department doesn’t operate in a patient-facing capacity. (I’m guessing healthcare organisations have to ensure every staff member across the board is able to have increased level PPE in a worst case scenario). We each had to be fitted for a variety of masks, each one leaning forward, turning side to side, talking etc., and the seal of each mask was measured. There was a bunch of masks to test- they wanted you to pass at least 3 out of the first bunch of 5. If you didn’t get that far there was a further group of higher level, more expensive masks to get through. Trying the masks made me remember photos I’d seen last year of healthcare staff and their skin damage after wearing that level of mask for hours. So glad we don’t need to wear these things. It’s enough to have all the other layers.

> I recently had to do a fit test for various high level protection face masks

Jealous. Wish I had that job. Most face masks are totally pathetic.
It’d be wonderful to find one that actually worked.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

well, well, unwell

oh

Good News, Vaccine Escape Variant Selection In The UK Virology Laboratory Is Almost Complete And Ready For Leakage

UK records highest COVID infections since late February

Good News, Virologists Were Right All Along When They Reassured Us There Would Be No Flock Immunity To Coronaviruses