i’m not convinced gender, racial, ethnic or whatever stereotypes of that kind are the most common or possibly the worst kinds of stereotypes (of those that are bad, keeping open the possibility they all aren’t), further i’m not convinced those stereotypes I mention are the genesis of stereotypes and prejudice

so, to explore the idea, a thought exercise, i’d ask the forum people to suggest other stereotypes, something other than the usual stereotype stereotypes maybe if you will

i’m in search of other common stereotypes, powerful ones, that go under the radar because they are conceived as neutral, or benign, and consequently don’t get the attention that way, as a stereotype

the secret hostility of apparently more benign stereotypes

transition said:

not convinced those stereotypes I mention are the genesis of stereotypes

incredible

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

not convinced those stereotypes I mention are the genesis of stereotypes

incredible

don’t be like that, make a contribution, after some thought, slow that lightning-fast brain down a little

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

not convinced those stereotypes I mention are the genesis of stereotypes

incredible

don’t be like that, make a contribution, after some thought, slow that lightning-fast brain down a little

fair, an immediately relevant stereotype here is that agents here have brains, rather than the possibility they could be bots

transition said:

i’m not convinced gender, racial, ethnic or whatever stereotypes of that kind are the most common or possibly the worst kinds of stereotypes (of those that are bad, keeping open the possibility they all aren’t), further i’m not convinced those stereotypes I mention are the genesis of stereotypes and prejudice

so, to explore the idea, a thought exercise, i’d ask the forum people to suggest other stereotypes, something other than the usual stereotype stereotypes maybe if you will

i’m in search of other common stereotypes, powerful ones, that go under the radar because they are conceived as neutral, or benign, and consequently don’t get the attention that way, as a stereotype

the secret hostility of apparently more benign stereotypes

Some powerful common stereotypes that immediately come to mind are:

• Hand shape. Shaking someone’s hand is a tactile guide to similarity. It has been shown scientifically that hand shape is a more common indicator of campatibility in marriage than other indicatorts.
• Accent in language. Among children at school, those with a similar accent are accepted as similar and those with a different accent as foreigners, irrespectave of colour of skin, parentage and multi-linguality.
• Propensity to violence.
• Tendency to choose lying over honesty.
• Health.

I’d say these are at least as common and powerful as gender, racial and ethnic stereotypes.

Another stereotype that causes me personally a lot of grief is:

• Mellifluence of voice. I have a strong aversion to listening to people whose voice makes my ears bleed.

transition said:

i’m not convinced gender, racial, ethnic or whatever stereotypes of that kind are the most common or possibly the worst kinds of stereotypes (of those that are bad, keeping open the possibility they all aren’t), further i’m not convinced those stereotypes I mention are the genesis of stereotypes and prejudice

so, to explore the idea, a thought exercise, i’d ask the forum people to suggest other stereotypes, something other than the usual stereotype stereotypes maybe if you will

i’m in search of other common stereotypes, powerful ones, that go under the radar because they are conceived as neutral, or benign, and consequently don’t get the attention that way, as a stereotype

the secret hostility of apparently more benign stereotypes

OK.

Just about every profession has its own stereotype for a start.

Other common and powerful stereotypes:

• Hairstyle eg. punk, skinhead, hippie, mullet, combover, dreadlocks.
• Shoes eg. gumboots, high heeled, school, cowboy, ballet, sports.
• Makeup.

mollwollfumble said:

Other common and powerful stereotypes:

• Hairstyle eg. punk, skinhead, hippie, mullet, combover, dreadlocks.
• Shoes eg. gumboots, high heeled, school, cowboy, ballet, sports.
• Makeup.
  

Mode of transport

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Other common and powerful stereotypes:

• Hairstyle eg. punk, skinhead, hippie, mullet, combover, dreadlocks.
• Shoes eg. gumboots, high heeled, school, cowboy, ballet, sports.
• Makeup.
  

Mode of transport

Yes.

There’s a very important one I missed, now what was it? Ah yes,

• Humour.

Humour has a dominant influence on how we see one another, much more so than the more familiar classic stereotypes of race and gender.

mollwollfumble said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Other common and powerful stereotypes:

• Hairstyle eg. punk, skinhead, hippie, mullet, combover, dreadlocks.
• Shoes eg. gumboots, high heeled, school, cowboy, ballet, sports.
• Makeup.
  

Mode of transport

Yes.

There’s a very important one I missed, now what was it? Ah yes,

• Humour.

Humour has a dominant influence on how we see one another, much more so than the more familiar classic stereotypes of race and gender.

I don’t know about “much more so”, but certainly a significant tie-er together of groups.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Mode of transport

Yes.

There’s a very important one I missed, now what was it? Ah yes,

• Humour.

Humour has a dominant influence on how we see one another, much more so than the more familiar classic stereotypes of race and gender.

I don’t know about “much more so”, but certainly a significant tie-er together of groups.

how much is more?

mollwollfumble said:

Other common and powerful stereotypes:

• Hairstyle eg. punk, skinhead, hippie, mullet, combover, dreadlocks.
• Shoes eg. gumboots, high heeled, school, cowboy, ballet, sports.
• Makeup.
  

consider for a moment the concept of garden, or notions regard perhaps better said, what gardens might be anticipated to conform to to be a garden, the essentials of a typical mental template for or of that, but more consider the working concept, status of

and I mean a home garden for my purposes

the concept might look for things to substantiate itself, confirmation

now a lot of gardens bring ‘nature’ to your local surrounds, very near around your home, some plants and whatever

but there could be troubles with this off the bat, contradictions that largely go ignored, elements of the work of the stereotype that automatically displace interesting things, some interesting dimension

would the impression (the mental sensation) affirming the concept of garden be always an ideal garden, or could an ideal garden be natural in a way that it lends to not much impression of a garden at all, instead you walk through it and it is not much impactful, instead it gently fades from your mind soon as you venture indoors or outside it. Or perhaps it’s so gentle it has a persistence of another sort, more like other non-human animals might appreciate, minus the concept of garden

say I grew a garden of a different sort, an ungarden, I just planted things for shelter, to slow the wind down, to reduce the ground wind and dust, and for summer shade, and related for privacy, keeping in mind shelter overlaps privacy

so you want to experience your nearest home vegetated surrounds more like an animal of some other sort, maybe a bird, a visiting fox, or gecko like the Underwoodisaurus, and what a fine name for a gecko that is

transition said:

consider for a moment the concept of garden, or notions regard perhaps better said, what gardens might be anticipated to conform to to be a garden, the essentials of a typical mental template for or of that, but more consider the working concept, status of

and I mean a home garden for my purposes

the concept might look for things to substantiate itself, confirmation

now a lot of gardens bring ‘nature’ to your local surrounds, very near around your home, some plants and whatever

but there could be troubles with this off the bat, contradictions that largely go ignored, elements of the work of the stereotype that automatically displace interesting things, some interesting dimension

would the impression (the mental sensation) affirming the concept of garden be always an ideal garden, or could an ideal garden be natural in a way that it lends to not much impression of a garden at all, instead you walk through it and it is not much impactful, instead it gently fades from your mind soon as you venture indoors or outside it. Or perhaps it’s so gentle it has a persistence of another sort, more like other non-human animals might appreciate, minus the concept of garden

say I grew a garden of a different sort, an ungarden, I just planted things for shelter, to slow the wind down, to reduce the ground wind and dust, and for summer shade, and related for privacy, keeping in mind shelter overlaps privacy

so you want to experience your nearest home vegetated surrounds more like an animal of some other sort, maybe a bird, a visiting fox, or gecko like the Underwoodisaurus, and what a fine name for a gecko that is

You could enter into a discussion about gardens and what they are capable of acheiving if you like.

>You could enter into a discussion about gardens and what they are capable of achieving if you like

probably the stereotype garden is tied into, or associated with stereotype home, or house, and such stereotypes may be formed and to some extent defined by what a five year old can draw, or is likely to draw

which brings me to the thought exercise of comparing what a cave-dwelling ancestors’ children may have drawn on the walls of a cave, scribbled, with a chalk rock or whatever, and who knows they may never have really, but the thought exercise could be useful

consider the technical differences of drawing a cave (home) on a cave wall, compared with a child drawing an outline of a house on the wall of a house (you might hope they use a piece of paper), they are very different propositions I reckon

so there exists the possibility a cave dwelling child quarter million years ago or more was less inclined toward or captive of stereotypes (of home) than a child today