Date: 7/06/2021 23:54:42
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748360
Subject: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

Oxygen Levels Dropping in US and European Lakes: Study

Nearly 400 lakes, primarily in the US and Europe, now have drastically lower oxygen saturation levels than they did in 1941, according to a study published June 2 in Nature. The authors report that as the climate continues to warm, the size of “dead zones,” low-oxygen areas of lakes and oceans ill-suited to support aquatic life, will also increase.

As water temperatures increase, oxygen becomes less soluble due to the water molecules’ kinetic energy. This not only creates hypoxic conditions that are unable to support aquatic life, causing massive die-offs, but also can enable methane, a greenhouse gas, to leak from sediment at the bottom of bodies of water.

“We know that most or many places around the planet are warming,” coauthor Kevin Rose of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in New York tells the Associated Press, “and so we would expect to see declining solubility.”

Oxygen levels are also declining due to diminished water clarity, brought on by fertilizer runoff, sewage, and other products of human activity. Cloudy water inhibits the growth of aquatic plants that normally provide oxygen for the lake. The change in the chemistry of the lake water creates a hospitable environment for algal blooms. After algae die, bacteria come in to eat them, consuming large quantities of oxygen in the process.

To find out more about how lakes have been changing over the past 80 years, researchers analyzed data from a number of databases on temperature and dissolved oxygen levels at the surface and deep waters of 393 temperate lakes across the US and Europe, along with a few in Japan and New Zealand. Oxygen levels in water at the surface of the lakes, on average, had dropped 5.5 percent over the years, while deeper waters saw losses averaging 18.6 percent, nine times greater than a 2017 study found for the oxygen decline in oceans since 1960, the AP reports.

“I think one of the really interesting findings here is that the authors were able to show that there’s this pretty pronounced decline in dissolved oxygen concentrations in both the surface and (deep) parts of the lake,” Samuel Fey, a biologist at Reed College who was not involved in the work, tells the AP.

During hot summer months, some aquatic creatures go deeper in the water, where temperatures are cooler. With deep-water oxygen levels so low, previous studies have shown that animals can be pinned between suffocation and an overly warm environment, which affects metabolism and respiration rate. While some species can adapt to the harsher conditions, many cannot, and the ecosystem will be altered as they die off.

“Lakes are the indicators or ‘sentinels’ of environmental change and potential threats to the environment because they respond to signals from the surrounding landscape and atmosphere,” coauthor Stephen Jane of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute tells the Brisbane Times.

In a separate story, the AP reports that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA) has predicted that the human-caused dead zone which appears every summer in the Gulf of Mexico will be of average size for the 2021 season, at 12,600 square kilometers. However, if a tropical storm comes through, the agitation of the water will help deliver oxygen deeper into the Gulf and could help mitigate the problem.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/oxygen-levels-dropping-in-us-and-european-lakes-study-68848

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Date: 7/06/2021 23:57:00
From: dv
ID: 1748361
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

Shit eh.

Such events have previously portended extinction events.

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Date: 8/06/2021 00:31:53
From: transition
ID: 1748363
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

cheers permeate, read that

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Date: 8/06/2021 00:38:40
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748366
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

dv said:


Shit eh.

Such events have previously portended extinction events.

We are on that path.

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Date: 8/06/2021 01:18:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1748369
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

going to die anyway

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Date: 8/06/2021 02:47:04
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748370
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

SCIENCE said:


going to die anyway

So will you, except with you it doesn’t make a scape of difference as the world will continue on its path regardless, but the loss of entire ecosystems around the world in salt and freshwater habitats would be profound.

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Date: 8/06/2021 03:00:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1748372
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

> Nearly 400 lakes, primarily in the US and Europe, now have drastically lower oxygen saturation levels than they did in 1941.

1941 WTF, they were getting reliable readings for dissolved oxygen in the middle of world war two?

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Date: 8/06/2021 03:10:01
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748373
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

mollwollfumble said:


> Nearly 400 lakes, primarily in the US and Europe, now have drastically lower oxygen saturation levels than they did in 1941.

1941 WTF, they were getting reliable readings for dissolved oxygen in the middle of world war two?

>>To find out more about how lakes have been changing over the past 80 years, researchers analyzed data from a number of databases on temperature and dissolved oxygen levels at the surface and deep waters of 393 temperate lakes across the US and Europe, along with a few in Japan and New Zealand. Oxygen levels in water at the surface of the lakes, on average, had dropped 5.5 percent over the years, while deeper waters saw losses averaging 18.6 percent, nine times greater than a 2017 study found for the oxygen decline in oceans since 1960, the AP reports.<<

Apparently so. People like keeping records of all sorts of things.

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Date: 8/06/2021 03:19:53
From: btm
ID: 1748374
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

the-scientist.com said:


As water temperatures increase, oxygen becomes less soluble due to the water molecules’ kinetic energy.

This is inconsistent with all my experience with dissolving stuff (gas, liquid, or solid) in water: as the water heats, more of the solute is dissolved in the solvent.

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Date: 8/06/2021 03:47:24
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748375
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

btm said:


the-scientist.com said:

As water temperatures increase, oxygen becomes less soluble due to the water molecules’ kinetic energy.

This is inconsistent with all my experience with dissolving stuff (gas, liquid, or solid) in water: as the water heats, more of the solute is dissolved in the solvent.

The following are co-authors:

Kevin Rose
Dr. Kevin Rose received his Ph.D. in Ecology, Evolution, and Environmental Biology from Miami University studying the causes and consequences of variation in ultraviolet radiation in aquatic ecosystems. Following his Ph.D., Dr. Rose went on to a postdoctoral fellowship at the Smithsonian Environmental Research Center, an AAAS Science and Technology Policy Fellowship at the U.S. National Science Foundation, and a postdoctoral appointment at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Dr. Rose joined at the Department of Biological Sciences at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in 2015 as the Frederic R. Kolleck ’52 Career Development Chair in Freshwater Ecology. Dr. Rose’s research spans aquatic ecology and biogeochemistry to understand how natural and anthropogenic processes affect the structure and function of freshwater ecosystems. A goal of his lab group is to forecast the future state of lake ecosystems in a regional to global context, with an emphasis on understanding how freshwater ecosystems are changing in response to local to global changes in land use and climate. This interdisciplinary research draws on skills in biology, ecology, biogeochemistry, advanced environmental sensors, and computational modeling.

Publications can be found at: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=jii1BdYAAAAJ&hl=en
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Stephen Jane
Cornell University – Atkinson Postdoctoral Fellow

Stephen Jane currently works at the Department of Biology, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. Stephen does research in freshwater systems that covers a broad range of topics. Current research focuses on the response of lake systems to the interactive effects of climate and changing dissolved organic matter concentrations. Their most recent publication is ‘Long-term trends and synchrony in dissolved organic matter characteristics in Wisconsin, USA lakes: quality, not quantity, is highly sensitive to climate: Trends in DOM characteristics.’
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With all due respects, I think these scholars would have a pretty good idea of how oxygen in absorbed into freshwater and how temperature would affect it.

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Date: 8/06/2021 03:54:05
From: transition
ID: 1748376
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

>1941 WTF, they were getting reliable readings for dissolved oxygen in the middle of world war two?

perhaps slightly better than marginally related, but medical or biological oximetry predates that, by a few years

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Date: 8/06/2021 04:33:47
From: btm
ID: 1748377
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

PermeateFree said:


btm said:

the-scientist.com said:

As water temperatures increase, oxygen becomes less soluble due to the water molecules’ kinetic energy.

This is inconsistent with all my experience with dissolving stuff (gas, liquid, or solid) in water: as the water heats, more of the solute is dissolved in the solvent.

The following are co-authors:

Kevin Rose

Stephen Jane

With all due respects, I think these scholars would have a pretty good idea of how oxygen in absorbed into freshwater and how temperature would affect it.

Ignoring the Appeal to Authority logical fallacy, this paper (which is about temperature dependence of O2 in seawater rather than fresh, but their point is still valid) supports their claim and proves me wrong.
N. A. Mel’nichenko, A. M. Koltunov, A. S. Vyskrebentsev & A. V. Bazhanov, The temperature dependence of the solubility of oxygen in sea water according to the pulsed NMR data, Russian Journal of Physical Chemistry A, Focus on Chemistry, 2008.

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Date: 8/06/2021 08:23:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1748381
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

mollwollfumble said:


> Nearly 400 lakes, primarily in the US and Europe, now have drastically lower oxygen saturation levels than they did in 1941.

1941 WTF, they were getting reliable readings for dissolved oxygen in the middle of world war two?

The Americans weren’t in the war in most of 1941, Pearl Harbor attack, December 7, 1941.

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Date: 8/06/2021 09:00:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1748387
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:
going to die anyway

So will you, except with you it doesn’t make a scape of difference as the world will continue on its path regardless, but the loss of entire ecosystems around the world in salt and freshwater habitats would be profound.

how do artificial intelligences die

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Date: 8/06/2021 10:26:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1748433
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

There are two ways to look at diosolved oxygen levels in lakes.

One is that less dissolved oxygen results in less plant and animal life.
The other is that more plant and animal life results in less dissolved oxygen.

It’s a negative feedback loop.

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Date: 8/06/2021 10:30:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1748438
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

mollwollfumble said:


There are two ways to look at diosolved oxygen levels in lakes.

One is that less dissolved oxygen results in less plant and animal life.
The other is that more plant and animal life results in less dissolved oxygen.

It’s a negative feedback loop.

So underwater plants somehow grow without converting CO2 + water to O2 + plant matter?

How do they do that?

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Date: 8/06/2021 10:33:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1748440
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

There are two ways to look at diosolved oxygen levels in lakes.

One is that less dissolved oxygen results in less plant and animal life.
The other is that more plant and animal life results in less dissolved oxygen.

It’s a negative feedback loop.

So underwater plants somehow grow without converting CO2 + water to O2 + plant matter?

How do they do that?

Does a body of water with lots of dissolved oxygen but no life serve much purpose as opposed to one with all

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Date: 8/06/2021 10:52:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1748448
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

I wonder if solar powered water bubble machines could fix some problem lakes?

Work out the oxygen required and pump it in.

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Date: 8/06/2021 10:53:25
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1748449
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

Tau.Neutrino said:


I wonder if solar powered water bubble machines could fix some problem lakes?

Work out the oxygen required and pump it in.

Like fishtanks but on a larger scale.

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Date: 8/06/2021 10:54:59
From: Tamb
ID: 1748450
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

Tau.Neutrino said:


I wonder if solar powered water bubble machines could fix some problem lakes?

Work out the oxygen required and pump it in.


Just pump air.

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Date: 8/06/2021 10:56:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1748451
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

Tamb said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if solar powered water bubble machines could fix some problem lakes?

Work out the oxygen required and pump it in.


Just pump air.

Yep.

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Date: 8/06/2021 11:02:09
From: party_pants
ID: 1748460
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder if solar powered water bubble machines could fix some problem lakes?

Work out the oxygen required and pump it in.


Just pump air.

Yep.

Boring. Install a wave machine to agitate the water a bit, and create a tourist attraction at the same time.

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Date: 8/06/2021 11:04:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1748461
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:
Tamb said:
Just pump air.

Yep.

Boring. Install a wave machine to agitate the water a bit, and create a tourist attraction at the same time.

pfft or a water launcher

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Date: 8/06/2021 11:07:21
From: Tamb
ID: 1748467
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

party_pants said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tamb said:

Just pump air.

Yep.

Boring. Install a wave machine to agitate the water a bit, and create a tourist attraction at the same time.

There is a small upside. Low/zero oxygen levels preserve wrecks.
The discovery of a remarkably intact wreck in the Black sea was due to low O2 levels.

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Date: 8/06/2021 12:14:42
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1748541
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

There are two ways to look at diosolved oxygen levels in lakes.

One is that less dissolved oxygen results in less plant and animal life.
The other is that more plant and animal life results in less dissolved oxygen.

It’s a negative feedback loop.

So underwater plants somehow grow without converting CO2 + water to O2 + plant matter?

How do they do that?

Fair point. So why do algal blooms in coastal areas cause a dramatic reduction in dissolved oxygen?

I’m glad that you agree that increased CO2 is good for plant life. ;-)

Tau.Neutrino said:


I wonder if solar powered water bubble machines could fix some problem lakes?

Work out the oxygen required and pump it in.

Not enough?

I can’t help wondering if more waterfalls are needed.

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Date: 8/06/2021 12:22:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1748546
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

mollwollfumble said:

I’m glad that you agree that increased CO2 is good for plant life. ;-)

I didn’t actually say that.

My understanding was that it has mixed effects.

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Date: 8/06/2021 15:27:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1748705
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

so it has good effects

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Date: 8/06/2021 17:24:50
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748761
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

btm said:


PermeateFree said:

btm said:

This is inconsistent with all my experience with dissolving stuff (gas, liquid, or solid) in water: as the water heats, more of the solute is dissolved in the solvent.

The following are co-authors:

Kevin Rose

Stephen Jane

With all due respects, I think these scholars would have a pretty good idea of how oxygen in absorbed into freshwater and how temperature would affect it.

Ignoring the Appeal to Authority logical fallacy, this paper (which is about temperature dependence of O2 in seawater rather than fresh, but their point is still valid) supports their claim and proves me wrong.
N. A. Mel’nichenko, A. M. Koltunov, A. S. Vyskrebentsev & A. V. Bazhanov, The temperature dependence of the solubility of oxygen in sea water according to the pulsed NMR data, Russian Journal of Physical Chemistry A, Focus on Chemistry, 2008.

Two bodies of water that are both 100% air-saturated do not necessarily have the same concentration of dissolved oxygen. The actual amount of dissolved oxygen (in mg/L) will vary depending on temperature, pressure and salinity ¹.

First, the solubility of oxygen decreases as temperature increases ¹. This means that warmer surface water requires less dissolved oxygen to reach 100% air saturation than does deeper, cooler water. For example, at sea level (1 atm or 760 mmHg) and 4°C (39°F), 100% air-saturated water would hold 10.92 mg/L of dissolved oxygen. ³ But if the temperature were raised to room temperature, 21°C (70°F), there would only be 8.68 mg/L DO at 100% air saturation ³.

Second dissolved oxygen decreases exponentially as salt levels increase ¹. That is why, at the same pressure and temperature, saltwater holds about 20% less dissolved oxygen than freshwater ³.

An interesting read for you that might also assist with your investigations.

https://www.fondriest.com/environmental-measurements/parameters/water-quality/dissolved-oxygen/

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Date: 8/06/2021 17:28:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748769
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

PermeateFree said:


btm said:

PermeateFree said:

The following are co-authors:

Kevin Rose

Stephen Jane

With all due respects, I think these scholars would have a pretty good idea of how oxygen in absorbed into freshwater and how temperature would affect it.

Ignoring the Appeal to Authority logical fallacy, this paper (which is about temperature dependence of O2 in seawater rather than fresh, but their point is still valid) supports their claim and proves me wrong.
N. A. Mel’nichenko, A. M. Koltunov, A. S. Vyskrebentsev & A. V. Bazhanov, The temperature dependence of the solubility of oxygen in sea water according to the pulsed NMR data, Russian Journal of Physical Chemistry A, Focus on Chemistry, 2008.

Two bodies of water that are both 100% air-saturated do not necessarily have the same concentration of dissolved oxygen. The actual amount of dissolved oxygen (in mg/L) will vary depending on temperature, pressure and salinity ¹.

First, the solubility of oxygen decreases as temperature increases ¹. This means that warmer surface water requires less dissolved oxygen to reach 100% air saturation than does deeper, cooler water. For example, at sea level (1 atm or 760 mmHg) and 4°C (39°F), 100% air-saturated water would hold 10.92 mg/L of dissolved oxygen. ³ But if the temperature were raised to room temperature, 21°C (70°F), there would only be 8.68 mg/L DO at 100% air saturation ³.

Second dissolved oxygen decreases exponentially as salt levels increase ¹. That is why, at the same pressure and temperature, saltwater holds about 20% less dissolved oxygen than freshwater ³.

An interesting read for you that might also assist with your investigations.

https://www.fondriest.com/environmental-measurements/parameters/water-quality/dissolved-oxygen/

Another reference for, but there are many if you look.

https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water-science-school/science/dissolved-oxygen-and-water?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects

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Date: 8/06/2021 17:33:24
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1748774
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

SCIENCE said:


so it has good effects

#Rolls eyes#

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Date: 8/06/2021 17:54:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1748788
Subject: re: Researchers find a widespread decline in dissolved oxygen levels in lakes, which is known to reshape ecosystems.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:

I’m glad that you agree that increased CO2 is good for plant life. ;-)

I didn’t actually say that.

My understanding was that it has mixed effects.

so it has good effects

#Rolls eyes#

¿ so it doesn’t have good effects ?

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