Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

Remove “australia” & insert “victoria”

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

So, the vax program is basically the stumbling block.

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

So, the vax program is basically the stumbling block.

Apparently.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

Remove “australia” & insert “victoria”

I read that link as saying there was zero public support for lockdowns, but I see I was misled.

Isn’t having occasional short-term lockdowns with very few deaths and normal life in between much better than having fewer but much longer lockdowns with large numbers of deaths?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

Remove “australia” & insert “victoria”

I read that link as saying there was zero public support for lockdowns, but I see I was misled.

Isn’t having occasional short-term lockdowns with very few deaths and normal life in between much better than having fewer but much longer lockdowns with large numbers of deaths?

clearly not, .se also “treat them mean keep them keen” principle, Trump ans Johnson and Bolsonaro and Lofven and Modi and all manner of other arseholes enjoy greater popularity

anyway yes it certainly reads like the authors are pining for an overseas holiday without quarantine and hence stealth bombing public opinion with an opinion piece masquerading as an informative article

From end of previous thread.
Do I have this right? How do they differ, eg. Abdala vs QazVac?

mollwollfumble said:

Let’s see if I have my worldwide list of approved vaccines correct. I count 16 different vaccines being used worldwide.

• Oxford/AstraZeneca
• Pfizer/BioNTech
• Sinopharm/Beijing
• Sinopharm/Wuhan
• Sinovac
• Sputnik V
• Johnson&Johnson
• Moderna
• Covaxin
• BBIBP-CorV
• CanSino
• Abdala
• Soberana02
• QazVac
• EpiVacCorona
• and whatever North Korea is using.
  

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/article/covid-victim-photograph-sparks-fascination-and-denial-indonesia

mollwollfumble said:

From end of previous thread.
Do I have this right? How do they differ, eg. Abdala vs QazVac?

mollwollfumble said:

Let’s see if I have my worldwide list of approved vaccines correct. I count 16 different vaccines being used worldwide.

• Oxford/AstraZeneca
• Pfizer/BioNTech
• Sinopharm/Beijing
• Sinopharm/Wuhan
• Sinovac
• Sputnik V
• Johnson&Johnson
• Moderna
• Covaxin
• BBIBP-CorV
• CanSino
• Abdala
• Soberana02
• QazVac
• EpiVacCorona
• and whatever North Korea is using.
  

whatever North Korea is using. Glock.

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

rolls eyes they near ripped off their optic nerves halfway into that article

no end to the license of spin for the greater good, no guessing who some of the experts regard the greater good are, perhaps everyone could just vote via an online survey, all compare ourselves with each other, get immersed in the radical social constructionism

transition said:

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

rolls eyes they near ripped off their optic nerves halfway into that article

no end to the license of spin for the greater good, no guessing who some of the experts regard the greater good are, perhaps everyone could just vote via an online survey, all compare ourselves with each other, get immersed in the radical social constructionism

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

buffy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-13/australia-zero-covid-public-support-for-lockdowns-shifting/100203006

rolls eyes they near ripped off their optic nerves halfway into that article

no end to the license of spin for the greater good, no guessing who some of the experts regard the greater good are, perhaps everyone could just vote via an online survey, all compare ourselves with each other, get immersed in the radical social constructionism

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

transition said:

buffy said:

transition said:

rolls eyes they near ripped off their optic nerves halfway into that article

no end to the license of spin for the greater good, no guessing who some of the experts regard the greater good are, perhaps everyone could just vote via an online survey, all compare ourselves with each other, get immersed in the radical social constructionism

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

transition said:

buffy said:

transition said:

rolls eyes they near ripped off their optic nerves halfway into that article

no end to the license of spin for the greater good, no guessing who some of the experts regard the greater good are, perhaps everyone could just vote via an online survey, all compare ourselves with each other, get immersed in the radical social constructionism

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

buffy said:

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

Because, because….control. Political control.

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

buffy said:

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

there’s not much I can do about the mind virus that dismisses what works extremely well at the moment, the reality is there’s a lot of normal in Australia, continues to be, none of that is thanks to enthusiasm to dismiss that normal, to abnormalize it

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

there’s not much I can do about the mind virus that dismisses what works extremely well at the moment, the reality is there’s a lot of normal in Australia, continues to be, none of that is thanks to enthusiasm to dismiss that normal, to abnormalize it

Riiiggghhhttt…

buffy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

Well I think the plan in Europe is to live with it, the vaccinations have brought the death rate way down particularly in the UK.
I think they’ll treat is like we have treated the flu for ages, just cop the deaths and move on.
It’s a bit like the road toll, we accept the road deaths rather than reduce the speed limit to say 50k where road deaths would plummet but that just aint gunna happen.

buffy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

Vaccine passports for Aussie citizens who want to come home should entail no quarantine when they arrive IMO.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

transition said:

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

Vaccine passports for Aussie citizens who want to come home should entail no quarantine when they arrive IMO.

Are you going to be fussy about which country’s passports to accept?

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

transition said:

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

Well I think the plan in Europe is to live with it, the vaccinations have brought the death rate way down particularly in the UK.
I think they’ll treat is like we have treated the flu for ages, just cop the deaths and move on.
It’s a bit like the road toll, we accept the road deaths rather than reduce the speed limit to say 50k where road deaths would plummet but that just aint gunna happen.

There are people who never drive faster than 80kph on the open road.

“Infectivity of asymptomatic versus symptomatic COVID-19”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836843/#sec1

“Nevertheless, these findings suggest that where resources permit, contact tracing should proactively seek people with asymptomatic COVID-19 because they can transmit disease and will need to be contained if a national policy objective is to minimise cases and transmission. However, if resources are limited, then focusing contact tracing around symptomatic people who are easy to identify (by way of them seeking health care) might be more resource-effective in reducing transmission at the population level.”

“Transmissibility of asymptomatic COVID-19: Data from Japanese clusters”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7894083/

“The relative transmissibility of asymptomatic cases is limited. Observing clusters starting with symptomatic transmission might be sufficient for the control.”

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

Vaccine passports for Aussie citizens who want to come home should entail no quarantine when they arrive IMO.

Are you going to be fussy about which country’s passports to accept?

There are only ten or so vaccines. A system that ties a vaccination certificate to a plane ticket shouldn’t be too hard to administer which should allow travel from any number of countries.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Vaccine passports for Aussie citizens who want to come home should entail no quarantine when they arrive IMO.

Are you going to be fussy about which country’s passports to accept?

There are only ten or so vaccines. A system that ties a vaccination certificate to a plane ticket shouldn’t be too hard to administer which should allow travel from any number of countries.

We had similar years ago with southern Africa and Yellow Fever. No proof of immunisation, no ticket.

buffy said:

“Infectivity of asymptomatic versus symptomatic COVID-19”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836843/#sec1

“Nevertheless, these findings suggest that where resources permit, contact tracing should proactively seek people with asymptomatic COVID-19 because they can transmit disease and will need to be contained if a national policy objective is to minimise cases and transmission. However, if resources are limited, then focusing contact tracing around symptomatic people who are easy to identify (by way of them seeking health care) might be more resource-effective in reducing transmission at the population level.”

“Transmissibility of asymptomatic COVID-19: Data from Japanese clusters”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7894083/

“The relative transmissibility of asymptomatic cases is limited. Observing clusters starting with symptomatic transmission might be sufficient for the control.”

gee that’s a difficult one, let’s see where each of those investigations was done, could the purported answers be correlated at all with how each country did, we wonder, but we aren’t making any claim about causation

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Vaccine passports for Aussie citizens who want to come home should entail no quarantine when they arrive IMO.

Are you going to be fussy about which country’s passports to accept?

There are only ten or so vaccines. A system that ties a vaccination certificate to a plane ticket shouldn’t be too hard to administer which should allow travel from any number of countries.

more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a50: chance of setting off more outbreaks

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

there’s not much I can do about the mind virus that dismisses what works extremely well at the moment, the reality is there’s a lot of normal in Australia, continues to be, none of that is thanks to enthusiasm to dismiss that normal, to abnormalize it

Riiiggghhhttt…

you know for all the words counted here

1. transition is really quite to the point here and
2. if our reading of h’ is correct then really, we agree
3. id est apart from 2-week tourism, we basically do have the country normal and everything open

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

buffy said:

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

or going fast with just building a few more détention centres, apparently it’s easily done to keep out the Bad Homo sapiens but can’t be done if there’s a virus

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

transition said:

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

Well I think the plan in Europe is to live with it, the vaccinations have brought the death rate way down particularly in the UK.
I think they’ll treat is like we have treated the flu for ages, just cop the deaths and move on.
It’s a bit like the road toll, we accept the road deaths rather than reduce the speed limit to say 50k where road deaths would plummet but that just aint gunna happen.

be a realistic analogy except for you excluding that people limit the amount of time on the road to reduce the risk, so I could point out most people are not driving most of the time, they don’t drive (or travel) to reduce the risk

one of those things isn’t it, obliterated from our minds, a person might consider driving, or being on the roads, the risks related that, and instantly evaporated from the mind is the reality most people avoid unnecessary time on the road

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Are you going to be fussy about which country’s passports to accept?

There are only ten or so vaccines. A system that ties a vaccination certificate to a plane ticket shouldn’t be too hard to administer which should allow travel from any number of countries.

more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a50: chance of setting off more outbreaks

Or not.

mollwollfumble said:

From end of previous thread.

Let’s see if I have my worldwide list of approved vaccines correct. I count 16 different vaccines being used worldwide.

• Oxford/AstraZeneca
• Pfizer/BioNTech
• Sinopharm/Beijing
• Sinopharm/Wuhan
• Sinovac
• Sputnik V
• Johnson&Johnson
• Moderna
• Covaxin
• BBIBP-CorV
• CanSino
• Abdala
• Soberana02
• QazVac
• EpiVacCorona
• and whatever North Korea is using.

Do I have this right? How do they differ, eg. Abdala vs QazVac?

simian adenovirus ones cause thrombotic deaths and mRNA lipid vehicle ones cause myocarditic deaths

apart from that they’re essentially the same, by this time next year* they’ll all have <= 25% efficacy

*: at the rate that the world is going with “control”

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

There are only ten or so vaccines. A system that ties a vaccination certificate to a plane ticket shouldn’t be too hard to administer which should allow travel from any number of countries.

more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a50: chance of setting off more outbreaks

Or not.

you’re right, we meant to say more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a 50% chance of setting off more outbreaks

transition said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Are you thinking quarantining everyone who comes into the country? Because we will have to prioritize our own people overseas who want to come back first. And our places in quarantine are very limited. That will take quite some time.

Well I think the plan in Europe is to live with it, the vaccinations have brought the death rate way down particularly in the UK.
I think they’ll treat is like we have treated the flu for ages, just cop the deaths and move on.
It’s a bit like the road toll, we accept the road deaths rather than reduce the speed limit to say 50k where road deaths would plummet but that just aint gunna happen.

be a realistic analogy except for you excluding that people limit the amount of time on the road to reduce the risk, so I could point out most people are not driving most of the time, they don’t drive (or travel) to reduce the risk

one of those things isn’t it, obliterated from our minds, a person might consider driving, or being on the roads, the risks related that, and instantly evaporated from the mind is the reality most people avoid unnecessary time on the road

again we suspect we agree

Last night Margaret, who is now living in Kyogle and working in Nimben, contacted me and told me not to get the vaccine because she didn’t want me to die.

sarahs mum said:

Last night Margaret, who is now living in Kyogle and working in Nimben, contacted me and told me not to get the vaccine because she didn’t want me to die.

I missed the “not” in first reading and thought “that’s nice”.

Seems it wasn’t.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a50: chance of setting off more outbreaks

Or not.

you’re right, we meant to say more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a 50% chance of setting off more outbreaks

No.

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

buffy said:

But aside from that…how do we get out of this? Isolation from the world is not really an option. At some time we have to let them in again. And we haven’t got quarantine facilities for the numbers. I really haven’t got any idea if anyone has any plans.

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

consider for a moment, say I characterize the present climate, some forces at work, as having a perverse desire to use the vaccination to let the new coronavirus go wild

there are different categories of disease, of something like influenza that may not matter (that it is largely wild), but if it were hepatitis or something more serious you might think it madness to have a program to let it go wild, an agenda to let it go wild

coronavirus might be largely a respiratory infection, however I think it perverse to automatically equate it with something like influenza

the jury is still out on how to categorize the new coronavirus, its status as a disease after broad vaccination

anyway for the moment i’m of the opinion it’s perverse to use the vaccination as a reason to let coronavirus go wild, and i’m aware Australia is coming up to an election, and how inconvenient for some it is that the present government policies have been very effective

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

consider for a moment, say I characterize the present climate, some forces at work, as having a perverse desire to use the vaccination to let the new coronavirus go wild

there are different categories of disease, of something like influenza that may not matter (that it is largely wild), but if it were hepatitis or something more serious you might think it madness to have a program to let it go wild, an agenda to let it go wild

coronavirus might be largely a respiratory infection, however I think it perverse to automatically equate it with something like influenza

the jury is still out on how to categorize the new coronavirus, its status as a disease after broad vaccination

anyway for the moment i’m of the opinion it’s perverse to use the vaccination as a reason to let coronavirus go wild, and i’m aware Australia is coming up to an election, and how inconvenient for some it is that the present government policies have been very effective

I think the states have done a great job. I am thankful for once that we are a federation.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

consider for a moment, say I characterize the present climate, some forces at work, as having a perverse desire to use the vaccination to let the new coronavirus go wild

there are different categories of disease, of something like influenza that may not matter (that it is largely wild), but if it were hepatitis or something more serious you might think it madness to have a program to let it go wild, an agenda to let it go wild

coronavirus might be largely a respiratory infection, however I think it perverse to automatically equate it with something like influenza

the jury is still out on how to categorize the new coronavirus, its status as a disease after broad vaccination

anyway for the moment i’m of the opinion it’s perverse to use the vaccination as a reason to let coronavirus go wild, and i’m aware Australia is coming up to an election, and how inconvenient for some it is that the present government policies have been very effective

I think the states have done a great job. I am thankful for once that we are a federation.

influenza kills between 300 000 and 650 000 people a year and 3-5 million severe cases per year. this is with a vaccine. we don’t lockdown for the flu every year.

Bogsnorkler said:

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

consider for a moment, say I characterize the present climate, some forces at work, as having a perverse desire to use the vaccination to let the new coronavirus go wild

there are different categories of disease, of something like influenza that may not matter (that it is largely wild), but if it were hepatitis or something more serious you might think it madness to have a program to let it go wild, an agenda to let it go wild

coronavirus might be largely a respiratory infection, however I think it perverse to automatically equate it with something like influenza

the jury is still out on how to categorize the new coronavirus, its status as a disease after broad vaccination

anyway for the moment i’m of the opinion it’s perverse to use the vaccination as a reason to let coronavirus go wild, and i’m aware Australia is coming up to an election, and how inconvenient for some it is that the present government policies have been very effective

I think the states have done a great job. I am thankful for once that we are a federation.

influenza kills between 300 000 and 650 000 people a year and 3-5 million severe cases per year. this is with a vaccine. we don’t lockdown for the flu every year.

And we probably never look to see how many people get blood clots after the flu jab.

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

what’s wrong with slow, it seems to be working very well, it’s clearly quite evident the world going fast isn’t going to peak gently

Ehhh? Why go slow when there is no health risk to going fast re. expanding vaccination?

consider for a moment, say I characterize the present climate, some forces at work, as having a perverse desire to use the vaccination to let the new coronavirus go wild

there are different categories of disease, of something like influenza that may not matter (that it is largely wild), but if it were hepatitis or something more serious you might think it madness to have a program to let it go wild, an agenda to let it go wild

coronavirus might be largely a respiratory infection, however I think it perverse to automatically equate it with something like influenza

the jury is still out on how to categorize the new coronavirus, its status as a disease after broad vaccination

anyway for the moment i’m of the opinion it’s perverse to use the vaccination as a reason to let coronavirus go wild, and i’m aware Australia is coming up to an election, and how inconvenient for some it is that the present government policies have been very effective

I never said to let it go wild.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sarahs mum said:

I think the states have done a great job. I am thankful for once that we are a federation.

influenza kills between 300 000 and 650 000 people a year and 3-5 million severe cases per year. this is with a vaccine. we don’t lockdown for the flu every year.

And we probably never look to see how many people get blood clots after the flu jab.

I think it would have been noticed.

Bogsnorkler said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bogsnorkler said:

influenza kills between 300 000 and 650 000 people a year and 3-5 million severe cases per year. this is with a vaccine. we don’t lockdown for the flu every year.

And we probably never look to see how many people get blood clots after the flu jab.

I think it would have been noticed.

imagine all the killings we’d have from influenza last year

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Or not.

you’re right, we meant to say more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a 50% chance of setting off more outbreaks

No.

so you’d accept no vaccines, which we agree with because they don’t adequately prevent transmission

Thanks.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

you’re right, we meant to say more like which vaccine and which strains to accept oh wait because most countries have fucked things up for 15 months now even the “best” vaccines will block 50% of transmission so every returning bioweapon has a 50% chance of setting off more outbreaks

No.

so you’d accept no vaccines, which we agree with because they don’t adequately prevent transmission

Thanks.

Nup.

sarahs mum said:

Last night Margaret, who is now living in Kyogle and working in Nimben, contacted me and told me not to get the vaccine because she didn’t want me to die.

Is Margaret known to you or is she just some random nutter on the net?

How is efficacy measured, if a vaccine is described as say 70% effective does that mean that 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get the virus or does it mean 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get very sick or die?

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Last night Margaret, who is now living in Kyogle and working in Nimben, contacted me and told me not to get the vaccine because she didn’t want me to die.

Is Margaret known to you or is she just some random nutter on the net?

When I have talked about her to the forum in the past I have referred to her as Margaret the mad. Yeah. I know her. Fruitcake.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Last night Margaret, who is now living in Kyogle and working in Nimben, contacted me and told me not to get the vaccine because she didn’t want me to die.

Is Margaret known to you or is she just some random nutter on the net?

When I have talked about her to the forum in the past I have referred to her as Margaret the mad. Yeah. I know her. Fruitcake.

Sibeen’s alright.

Peak Warming Man said:

How is efficacy measured, if a vaccine is described as say 70% effective does that mean that 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get the virus or does it mean 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get very sick or die?

That’s a darn good question. I haven’t seen a good answer, and I’d very much like to see it.

I do know that Uruguay has two different measures of vaccine effectivness rather than just one. One is from the chance of catching the virus with a vaccine vs without a vaccine. The second is from the chance of hospitalisation once you’ve caught the virus, again with and without the vaccine.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Is Margaret known to you or is she just some random nutter on the net?

When I have talked about her to the forum in the past I have referred to her as Margaret the mad. Yeah. I know her. Fruitcake.

Sibeen’s alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxzvywR6jjs

Peak Warming Man said:

How is efficacy measured, if a vaccine is described as say 70% effective does that mean that 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get the virus or does it mean 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get very sick or die?

back in the day when herd immunity was about vaccine preventable diseases the idea was that it would stop disease spreading

now that flock immunity is about sacrificing everyone else to a disease so that The Economy Must Grow we’re not allowed to talk about herd immunity from vaccines so they’re solely to prevent vaccinated individuals dying

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

From end of previous thread.
Do I have this right? How do they differ, eg. Abdala vs QazVac?

Let’s see if I have my worldwide list of approved vaccines correct. I count 16 different vaccines being used worldwide.

• Oxford/AstraZeneca
• Pfizer/BioNTech
• Sinopharm/Beijing
• Sinopharm/Wuhan
• Sinovac
• Sputnik V
• Johnson&Johnson
• Moderna
• Covaxin
• BBIBP-CorV
• CanSino
• Abdala
• Soberana02
• QazVac
• EpiVacCorona
• and whatever North Korea is using.
  

whatever North Korea is using. Glock.

Are you serious?

mollwollfumble said:

Peak Warming Man said:

How is efficacy measured, if a vaccine is described as say 70% effective does that mean that 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get the virus or does it mean 70% of the people who have been vaccinated don’t get very sick or die?

That’s a darn good question. I haven’t seen a good answer, and I’d very much like to see it.

I do know that Uruguay has two different measures of vaccine effectivness rather than just one. One is from the chance of catching the virus with a vaccine vs without a vaccine. The second is from the chance of hospitalisation once you’ve caught the virus, again with and without the vaccine.

oh we mean a serious question, ah, well reading 1 page behind the immediate search results would give plenty of tables where they give numbers for all the above and more

Bogsnorkler said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

When I have talked about her to the forum in the past I have referred to her as Margaret the mad. Yeah. I know her. Fruitcake.

Sibeen’s alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxzvywR6jjs

:)

Bogsnorkler said:

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

consider for a moment, say I characterize the present climate, some forces at work, as having a perverse desire to use the vaccination to let the new coronavirus go wild

there are different categories of disease, of something like influenza that may not matter (that it is largely wild), but if it were hepatitis or something more serious you might think it madness to have a program to let it go wild, an agenda to let it go wild

coronavirus might be largely a respiratory infection, however I think it perverse to automatically equate it with something like influenza

the jury is still out on how to categorize the new coronavirus, its status as a disease after broad vaccination

anyway for the moment i’m of the opinion it’s perverse to use the vaccination as a reason to let coronavirus go wild, and i’m aware Australia is coming up to an election, and how inconvenient for some it is that the present government policies have been very effective

I think the states have done a great job. I am thankful for once that we are a federation.

influenza kills between 300 000 and 650 000 people a year and 3-5 million severe cases per year. this is with a vaccine. we don’t lockdown for the flu every year.

Not in Australia. Very few influenza deaths in Australia. PS, I lockdown for colds and flu. Covid can go jump.

Very few deaths from any infectious disease in Australia. Other than hospital-acquired infections of course (sepsis and pneumonia). They kill everyone.

mollwollfumble said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sarahs mum said:

I think the states have done a great job. I am thankful for once that we are a federation.

influenza kills between 300 000 and 650 000 people a year and 3-5 million severe cases per year. this is with a vaccine. we don’t lockdown for the flu every year.

Not in Australia. Very few influenza deaths in Australia. PS, I lockdown for colds and flu. Covid can go jump.

Very few deaths from any infectious disease in Australia. Other than hospital-acquired infections of course (sepsis and pneumonia). They kill everyone.

Indeed, seems like influenza is such a piss weak pathogen (PWP) that simple things like not going to work school care when you’re unwell would fix it for good but somehow The Economy Must Grow overrides that (even though sick people at work are less productive) so clearly advocates for The Economy Must Grow are actually persistently incorrect about these kinds of thing

LOL

Um…we do understand that being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching the thing, don’t we? It just primes your immune system to recognize the bug and deal with it a bit faster than if your system is naive to it. So it makes any subsequent infection with that particular bug less intense.

buffy said:

Um…we do understand that being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching the thing, don’t we? It just primes your immune system to recognize the bug and deal with it a bit faster than if your system is naive to it. So it makes any subsequent infection with that particular bug less intense.

yes no shit it’s not the only way they work but
we don’t understand that, because that is one of the way vaccines work, by preventing someone from catching a disease

buffy said:

Um…we do understand that being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching the thing, don’t we? It just primes your immune system to recognize the bug and deal with it a bit faster than if your system is naive to it. So it makes any subsequent infection with that particular bug less intense.

Yep.
Here is the results of a recent large scale survey done in the UK
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.22.21255913v2.full-text
It’s fond that efficacy of Phiser and Astra are pretty much the same., seems very comprehensive.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Um…we do understand that being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching the thing, don’t we? It just primes your immune system to recognize the bug and deal with it a bit faster than if your system is naive to it. So it makes any subsequent infection with that particular bug less intense.

yes no shit it’s not the only way they work but
we don’t understand that, because that is one of the way vaccines work, by preventing someone from catching a disease

Um, no.

Just checked on the UK figures. Daily cases have doubled again from last week from 4000 to 8000. The week before that it was “only” 2000 cases daily.

Seems to be the Indian variant. The UK government decided not to impose travel restrictions on India because Biros was due to go there to meet the Indian PM to talk about trade deals. In the end they ended up doing the meeting remotely anyway, but the India travel bans still had to wait till after that event.

Guess which variant is responsible for the majority of new cases in the UK?

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Um…we do understand that being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching the thing, don’t we? It just primes your immune system to recognize the bug and deal with it a bit faster than if your system is naive to it. So it makes any subsequent infection with that particular bug less intense.

yes no shit it’s not the only way they work but
we don’t understand that, because that is one of the way vaccines work, by preventing someone from catching a disease

Um, no.

so you claim that vaccination does not prevent disease

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00479-7?s=09

“A guide to vaccinology: from basic principles to new developments”

(It’s up to date, published 22/12/20)

buffy said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00479-7?s=09

“A guide to vaccinology: from basic principles to new developments”

(It’s up to date, published 22/12/20)

this part must be out of date then

vaccine-induced protection is the induction of immune memory. Vaccines are usually developed to prevent clinical manifestations of infection. However, some vaccines, in addition to preventing the disease, may also protect against asymptomatic infection or colonization, thereby reducing the acquisition of a pathogen and thus its onward transmission, establishing herd immunity. Indeed, the induction of herd immunity is perhaps the most important characteristic of immunization programmes, with each dose of vaccine protecting many more individuals

thanks

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

oh

Good News, Vaccine Escape Variant Selection In The UK Virology Laboratory Is Almost Complete And Ready For Leakage

UK records highest COVID infections since late February

Good News, Virologists Were Right All Along When They Reassured Us There Would Be No Flock Immunity To Coronaviruses

Just checked on the UK figures. Daily cases have doubled again from last week from 4000 to 8000. The week before that it was “only” 2000 cases daily.

Seems to be the Indian variant. The UK government decided not to impose travel restrictions on India because Biros was due to go there to meet the Indian PM to talk about trade deals. In the end they ended up doing the meeting remotely anyway, but the India travel bans still had to wait till after that event.

Guess which variant is responsible for the majority of new cases in the UK?

At a guess, the one that

1. results in breakthrough symptomatic disease in 50% (versus previous strains >90%) of vaccinated people
2. results in ongoing transmission in >75% (versus previous strains <25%) of vaccinated people
3. has increased infectivity in younger age groups (versus previous strains with similar infectivity across all ages) who have / can not be vaccinated as yet
4. has increased viral load and transmissibility despite non-pharmaceutical interventions (versus previous strains which were easily controlled in .sg and .vn and so forth)
5. will therefore be able to multiply up under this selection pressure (as it already has), and further mutate to continue to break protections leading to perpandemicity (rather than endemicity)

¿

anyway don’t worry it’s peaked

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00479-7?s=09

“A guide to vaccinology: from basic principles to new developments”

(It’s up to date, published 22/12/20)

this part must be out of date then

vaccine-induced protection is the induction of immune memory. Vaccines are usually developed to prevent clinical manifestations of infection. However, some vaccines, in addition to preventing the disease, may also protect against asymptomatic infection or colonization, thereby reducing the acquisition of a pathogen and thus its onward transmission, establishing herd immunity. Indeed, the induction of herd immunity is perhaps the most important characteristic of immunization programmes, with each dose of vaccine protecting many more individuals

thanks

The search term you are looking for is “sterilising immunity”. A quick look around the literature suggests none of the current COVID vaccines have been shown to do this. It’s a bit of a holy grail for vaccines.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-152204

A simpler read than the scientific papers.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00479-7?s=09

“A guide to vaccinology: from basic principles to new developments”

(It’s up to date, published 22/12/20)

this part must be out of date then

vaccine-induced protection is the induction of immune memory. Vaccines are usually developed to prevent clinical manifestations of infection. However, some vaccines, in addition to preventing the disease, may also protect against asymptomatic infection or colonization, thereby reducing the acquisition of a pathogen and thus its onward transmission, establishing herd immunity. Indeed, the induction of herd immunity is perhaps the most important characteristic of immunization programmes, with each dose of vaccine protecting many more individuals

thanks

The search term you are looking for is “sterilising immunity”. A quick look around the literature suggests none of the current COVID vaccines have been shown to do this. It’s a bit of a holy grail for vaccines.

Fine, we assumed we were talking about vaccines in general but if we’re going to settle for vaccines that don’t work well for COVID-19 then we guess we’ll take the implicit admission that there was never going to be flock immunity to COVID-19.

Id est, it was always a stupid idea to go for natural flock immunity whatever that was even supposed to mean.

Of course before those places continued to fk it up and manufacture / weaponise breakthrough variants, there were claims that mRNA vaccines were achieving 90% prevention of ongoing transmission (does that count as sterilising ¿) but we guess the correct strategy is to let a lethal disease evolve until vaccines don’t work just to prove their position correct.

buffy said:

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-152204

A simpler read than the scientific papers.

Yeah well some prévention is probably better than none.

A town in Brazil has vaccinated nearly everyone against covid-19
Its success shows what could have been in the rest of the country

Jun 12th 2021 edition

Before the pandemic, Celso Vigo walked for 90 minutes each day through the streets of Serrana, a town of 45,000 people surrounded by sugarcane fields in the state of São Paulo. But when covid-19 hit, the 75-year-old retired bank clerk, who played football “well into my 60s”, was reduced to doing loops around his house. It reminded him of how Brazil, too, was going in circles. After a second wave killed 87,000 people in April, cases and deaths remain high.

But Serrana was given a way out. Between February and April, all adults were offered jabs as part of a study by the Butantan Institute, which produces CoronaVac, a vaccine developed by Sinovac, a Chinese firm. More than 95% of serranenses got jabbed, despite Jair Bolsonaro, the president, claiming that it was unsafe. Preliminary results released on May 31st showed that symptomatic cases and deaths fell by 80% and 95%, respectively. Only two covid-19 patients remain hospitalised in the local clinic (both refused the vaccine). Mr Vigo is once again pounding the pavements.

Serrana is a tantalising glimpse of an alternative reality in Brazil—one in which Mr Bolsonaro did not squander his chances to mount an effective public-health campaign and, later, to buy vaccines. But the study also has global implications. In phase three trials, CoronaVac had efficacy rates as low as 50%, the minimum required by the who. The lower the efficacy, the higher the share of people who must be jabbed to slow contagion. The trial in Serrana sought to discover that share. The town was split into four cohorts, that got jabbed in successive weeks. Contagion dropped dramatically after three out of the four had received two doses of the vaccine, suggesting that herd immunity is attained at around 75%.

These results could boost vaccine uptake across Brazil, hopes Ethel Maciel, an epidemiologist. But 75% is a long way off. Only 11% of Brazilians are fully vaccinated, and the rate has slowed because of a shortage of ingredients for CoronaVac, which are imported from China. Chile, which has vaccinated 45% of its population, mostly with CoronaVac, is also suffering near-record cases.

But Serrana itself has become an oasis. On a recent morning, children ran round a fountain in the plaza. Across the street a fabric shop that caters to elderly women had a steady stream of customers. A gang of old men occupied their usual benches. They discussed Mr Bolsonaro’s decision to host the Copa América, a football tournament, even though a third wave seems imminent. “Stupid,” a 97-year-old said. Half of them scattered when an outsider showed up. “We’re still scared,” explained Florivaldo Leandro, a retired police officer. Serrana’s calm came at a cost, he said. “We lost friends, neighbours and relatives. Our conscientiousness was forced upon us.”

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2021/06/12/a-town-in-brazil-has-vaccinated-nearly-everyone-against-covid-19

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

this part must be out of date then

vaccine-induced protection is the induction of immune memory. Vaccines are usually developed to prevent clinical manifestations of infection. However, some vaccines, in addition to preventing the disease, may also protect against asymptomatic infection or colonization, thereby reducing the acquisition of a pathogen and thus its onward transmission, establishing herd immunity. Indeed, the induction of herd immunity is perhaps the most important characteristic of immunization programmes, with each dose of vaccine protecting many more individuals

thanks

The search term you are looking for is “sterilising immunity”. A quick look around the literature suggests none of the current COVID vaccines have been shown to do this. It’s a bit of a holy grail for vaccines.

Fine, we assumed we were talking about vaccines in general but if we’re going to settle for vaccines that don’t work well for COVID-19 then we guess we’ll take the implicit admission that there was never going to be flock immunity to COVID-19.

Id est, it was always a stupid idea to go for natural flock immunity whatever that was even supposed to mean.

Of course before those places continued to fk it up and manufacture / weaponise breakthrough variants, there were claims that mRNA vaccines were achieving 90% prevention of ongoing transmission (does that count as sterilising ¿) but we guess the correct strategy is to let a lethal disease evolve until vaccines don’t work just to prove their position correct.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

The search term you are looking for is “sterilising immunity”. A quick look around the literature suggests none of the current COVID vaccines have been shown to do this. It’s a bit of a holy grail for vaccines.

Fine, we assumed we were talking about vaccines in general but if we’re going to settle for vaccines that don’t work well for COVID-19 then we guess we’ll take the implicit admission that there was never going to be flock immunity to COVID-19.

Id est, it was always a stupid idea to go for natural flock immunity whatever that was even supposed to mean.

Of course before those places continued to fk it up and manufacture / weaponise breakthrough variants, there were claims that mRNA vaccines were achieving 90% prevention of ongoing transmission (does that count as sterilising ¿) but we guess the correct strategy is to let a lethal disease evolve until vaccines don’t work just to prove their position correct.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

correct

Witty Rejoinder said:

A town in Brazil has vaccinated nearly everyone against covid-19
Its success shows what could have been in the rest of the country

Jun 12th 2021 edition

Serrana was given a way out. Between February and April, all adults were offered jabs as part of a study by the Butantan Institute, which produces CoronaVac, a vaccine developed by Sinovac, a Chinese firm. More than 95% of serranenses got jabbed, despite Jair Bolsonaro, the president, claiming that it was unsafe. Preliminary results released on May 31st showed that symptomatic cases and deaths fell by 80% and 95%, respectively.

Only 11% of Brazilians are fully vaccinated, and the rate has slowed because of a shortage of ingredients for CoronaVac, which are imported from China. Chile, which has vaccinated 45% of its population, mostly with CoronaVac, is also suffering near-record cases.

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2021/06/12/a-town-in-brazil-has-vaccinated-nearly-everyone-against-covid-19

bizarre

We mean uh call us racist or whatever but we legit’ thought that those CHINA vaccines didn’t work very well, yet there they are, so we’re not sure what to make of it.

Witty Rejoinder said:

A town in Brazil has vaccinated nearly everyone against covid-19
Its success shows what could have been in the rest of the country

Jun 12th 2021 edition

Before the pandemic, Celso Vigo walked for 90 minutes each day through the streets of Serrana, a town of 45,000 people surrounded by sugarcane fields in the state of São Paulo. But when covid-19 hit, the 75-year-old retired bank clerk, who played football “well into my 60s”, was reduced to doing loops around his house. It reminded him of how Brazil, too, was going in circles. After a second wave killed 87,000 people in April, cases and deaths remain high.

But Serrana was given a way out. Between February and April, all adults were offered jabs as part of a study by the Butantan Institute, which produces CoronaVac, a vaccine developed by Sinovac, a Chinese firm. More than 95% of serranenses got jabbed, despite Jair Bolsonaro, the president, claiming that it was unsafe. Preliminary results released on May 31st showed that symptomatic cases and deaths fell by 80% and 95%, respectively. Only two covid-19 patients remain hospitalised in the local clinic (both refused the vaccine). Mr Vigo is once again pounding the pavements.

Serrana is a tantalising glimpse of an alternative reality in Brazil—one in which Mr Bolsonaro did not squander his chances to mount an effective public-health campaign and, later, to buy vaccines. But the study also has global implications. In phase three trials, CoronaVac had efficacy rates as low as 50%, the minimum required by the who. The lower the efficacy, the higher the share of people who must be jabbed to slow contagion. The trial in Serrana sought to discover that share. The town was split into four cohorts, that got jabbed in successive weeks. Contagion dropped dramatically after three out of the four had received two doses of the vaccine, suggesting that herd immunity is attained at around 75%.

These results could boost vaccine uptake across Brazil, hopes Ethel Maciel, an epidemiologist. But 75% is a long way off. Only 11% of Brazilians are fully vaccinated, and the rate has slowed because of a shortage of ingredients for CoronaVac, which are imported from China. Chile, which has vaccinated 45% of its population, mostly with CoronaVac, is also suffering near-record cases.

But Serrana itself has become an oasis. On a recent morning, children ran round a fountain in the plaza. Across the street a fabric shop that caters to elderly women had a steady stream of customers. A gang of old men occupied their usual benches. They discussed Mr Bolsonaro’s decision to host the Copa América, a football tournament, even though a third wave seems imminent. “Stupid,” a 97-year-old said. Half of them scattered when an outsider showed up. “We’re still scared,” explained Florivaldo Leandro, a retired police officer. Serrana’s calm came at a cost, he said. “We lost friends, neighbours and relatives. Our conscientiousness was forced upon us.”

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2021/06/12/a-town-in-brazil-has-vaccinated-nearly-everyone-against-covid-19

Nice.

In other news, I had a successful day of hacking.

I managed to dust off my 30yo C programming skills and fail completely at programming an Arduino board. So I got a mate to write the code I wanted, and I made some changes. (I got the LED to blink when it did what it was supposed to)

Will take it into the field next week and see if it does what we hope it does.

how’s the flattening of the curve going?

Arts said:

how’s the flattening of the curve going?

When it gets squashed in the middle, it bulges at the ends…

furious said:

Arts said:

how’s the flattening of the curve going?

When it gets squashed in the middle, it bulges at the ends…

I notice how international travel and mask wearing doesn’t apply to the g2 summit people. Obviously if you are famous and wear a mask how does anyone tell you are famous

Arts said:

furious said:

Arts said:

how’s the flattening of the curve going?

When it gets squashed in the middle, it bulges at the ends…

I notice how international travel and mask wearing doesn’t apply to the g2 summit people. Obviously if you are famous and wear a mask how does anyone tell you are famous

7. Whatever. No one cares anyway

Arts said:

Arts said:

furious said:

When it gets squashed in the middle, it bulges at the ends…

I notice how international travel and mask wearing doesn’t apply to the g2 summit people. Obviously if you are famous and wear a mask how does anyone tell you are famous

7. Whatever. No one cares anyway

are you ok?

furious said:

Arts said:

Arts said:

I notice how international travel and mask wearing doesn’t apply to the g2 summit people. Obviously if you are famous and wear a mask how does anyone tell you are famous

7. Whatever. No one cares anyway

are you ok?

I think my brain is broken

Arts said:

furious said:

Arts said:

7. Whatever. No one cares anyway

are you ok?

I think my brain is broken

Sorry to hear that…

Arts said:

furious said:

Arts said:

how’s the flattening of the curve going?

When it gets squashed in the middle, it bulges at the ends…

I notice how international travel and mask wearing doesn’t apply to the g2 summit people. Obviously if you are famous and wear a mask how does anyone tell you are famous

I think all the world leaders have been vaccined now. This is supposed to be our future about a year from now when we’ve all had it too.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

furious said:

When it gets squashed in the middle, it bulges at the ends…

I notice how international travel and mask wearing doesn’t apply to the g2 summit people. Obviously if you are famous and wear a mask how does anyone tell you are famous

I think all the world leaders have been vaccined now. This is supposed to be our future about a year from now when we’ve all had it too.

So, in a year, I’ll be meeting the queen? Better have a shave then…

furious said:

party_pants said:

Arts said:

I notice how international travel and mask wearing doesn’t apply to the g2 summit people. Obviously if you are famous and wear a mask how does anyone tell you are famous

I think all the world leaders have been vaccined now. This is supposed to be our future about a year from now when we’ve all had it too.

So, in a year, I’ll be meeting the queen? Better have a shave then…

Yeah, sure.

party_pants said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

I think all the world leaders have been vaccined now. This is supposed to be our future about a year from now when we’ve all had it too.

So, in a year, I’ll be meeting the queen? Better have a shave then…

Yeah, sure.

Well, if Peta Credlin can get a queen’s birthday honour, anything can happen…

furious said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

So, in a year, I’ll be meeting the queen? Better have a shave then…

Yeah, sure.

Well, if Peta Credlin can get a queen’s birthday honour, anything can happen…

Not really. You gotta move in the right circles to get a gong these days.

party_pants said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, sure.

Well, if Peta Credlin can get a queen’s birthday honour, anything can happen…

Not really. You gotta move in the right circles to get a gong these days.

whilst we agree it’s disgusting above

we also must apologise that we’re bringing the thread back on topic with something that might be slightly interesting

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/12/world/china-covid-delta-variant-guangzhou.html?smid=tw-share

Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

The virus concentrations that are detected in their bodies climb to levels higher than previously seen, and then decline only slowly

Britain and Brazil have reported similar trends with the variants that circulated in those countries, but the severity of those variants has not yet been confirmed.

The authorities said that they had conducted 32 million tests in Guangzhou, which has 18 million people, and 10 million in the adjacent city of Foshan, which has seven million.

Guangzhou has also isolated and quarantined tens of thousands of residents who had been anywhere near those infected. The testing and quarantine appear to have slowed but not stopped the outbreak.

—

LOL

this is probably because CHINA are technically backward and incompetent

these strains don’t cause any trouble in free and advanced countries

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

Well, if Peta Credlin can get a queen’s birthday honour, anything can happen…

Not really. You gotta move in the right circles to get a gong these days.

whilst we agree it’s disgusting above

we also must apologise that we’re bringing the thread back on topic with something that might be slightly interesting

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/12/world/china-covid-delta-variant-guangzhou.html?smid=tw-share

Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

The virus concentrations that are detected in their bodies climb to levels higher than previously seen, and then decline only slowly

Britain and Brazil have reported similar trends with the variants that circulated in those countries, but the severity of those variants has not yet been confirmed.

The authorities said that they had conducted 32 million tests in Guangzhou, which has 18 million people, and 10 million in the adjacent city of Foshan, which has seven million.

Guangzhou has also isolated and quarantined tens of thousands of residents who had been anywhere near those infected. The testing and quarantine appear to have slowed but not stopped the outbreak.

—

LOL

this is probably because CHINA are technically backward and incompetent

these strains don’t cause any trouble in free and advanced countries

My sarcasm detector is making noises.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/12/world/china-covid-delta-variant-guangzhou.html?smid=tw-share

Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

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this is probably because CHINA are technically backward and incompetent

these strains don’t cause any trouble in free and advanced countries

My sarcasm detector is making noises.

Fair play, we’re actually quite concerned at what these developments mean. Possibly nothing different to what we already know but hey, more evidence.

From the article it sounds like they haven’t jumped straight to massive lockdown yet (authoritarian accusations here we come) so you’d hope the implication is merely that this is incredibly difficult to control without shutting everything down (probably still possible but it’s a fine line).

If it turns out they’ve actually been secretly locked down and it’s still spreading, then … well, we d’n‘o’.

What’s impressive in this case is how this strategic revelation comes after 14 months of pandemic.

We’re also a bit slow in that the article is from 2 weeks ago, of course.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-to-also-isolate-household-members-of-a-close-contact-of-covid-19-case

Singapore to also isolate household members of close contacts of Covid-19 cases

SINGAPORE – Singapore will begin putting entire households in isolation, should one household member be identified as a close contact of a Covid-19 case, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong on Monday (May 31). This is because the country’s experience has shown that an infected person is quite likely to pass the virus on to others in the same household.

If the first-degree contact tests negative, the entire household can be safely released from isolation, PM Lee added. “But if later, the first-degree contact tests positive, we will have saved precious time by isolating his household members earlier,” he said. “This more aggressive approach will help us to shut down clusters more quickly, and with fewer cases.”

> Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

Eek. No deaths in China since Jan 2021.

My news this week is more muted. Covid deaths are on the rise worldwide again, after decreasing at the end of the 3rd wave. And without a corresponding increase in the number of cases. Suggesting some more deadly strain has arrived.

Not much new in the chart of worst off countries. Uruguay is slightly better, offsetting a horror week last week. Paraguay is noticeably worse. Eastern Europe continues to improve, with Macedonia and Bulgaria no longer countries of interest. Bahrain the worst off non SAm country, is getting better, fingers crossed. Malaysia is looking slightly better off than last week. Australia is now 5 1/2 months without a single covid death.

mollwollfumble said:

> Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

Eek. No deaths in China since Jan 2021.

My news this week is more muted. Covid deaths are on the rise worldwide again, after decreasing at the end of the 3rd wave. And without a corresponding increase in the number of cases. Suggesting some more deadly strain has arrived.

Not much new in the chart of worst off countries. Uruguay is slightly better, offsetting a horror week last week. Paraguay is noticeably worse. Eastern Europe continues to improve, with Macedonia and Bulgaria no longer countries of interest. Bahrain the worst off non SAm country, is getting better, fingers crossed. Malaysia is looking slightly better off than last week. Australia is now 5 1/2 months without a single covid death.

How can deaths/population/week be an integer greater than 1, and how can it be negative?

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

Eek. No deaths in China since Jan 2021.

My news this week is more muted. Covid deaths are on the rise worldwide again, after decreasing at the end of the 3rd wave. And without a corresponding increase in the number of cases. Suggesting some more deadly strain has arrived.

Not much new in the chart of worst off countries. Uruguay is slightly better, offsetting a horror week last week. Paraguay is noticeably worse. Eastern Europe continues to improve, with Macedonia and Bulgaria no longer countries of interest. Bahrain the worst off non SAm country, is getting better, fingers crossed. Malaysia is looking slightly better off than last week. Australia is now 5 1/2 months without a single covid death.

How can deaths/population/week be an integer greater than 1, and how can it be negative?

Some people just don’t understand the zombie apocalypse sheesh.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

Eek. No deaths in China since Jan 2021.

My news this week is more muted. Covid deaths are on the rise worldwide again, after decreasing at the end of the 3rd wave. And without a corresponding increase in the number of cases. Suggesting some more deadly strain has arrived.

Not much new in the chart of worst off countries. Uruguay is slightly better, offsetting a horror week last week. Paraguay is noticeably worse. Eastern Europe continues to improve, with Macedonia and Bulgaria no longer countries of interest. Bahrain the worst off non SAm country, is getting better, fingers crossed. Malaysia is looking slightly better off than last week. Australia is now 5 1/2 months without a single covid death.

How can deaths/population/week be an integer greater than 1, and how can it be negative?

This is ranking. -1, -2, -3, … for worst, second worst, third worst country etc.

Actual numbers last week ranged up to 133*10^-6 deaths per person per week.

I use minus because otherwise the chart is upside down.

mollwollfumble said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus

Eek. No deaths in China since Jan 2021.

My news this week is more muted. Covid deaths are on the rise worldwide again, after decreasing at the end of the 3rd wave. And without a corresponding increase in the number of cases. Suggesting some more deadly strain has arrived.

Not much new in the chart of worst off countries. Uruguay is slightly better, offsetting a horror week last week. Paraguay is noticeably worse. Eastern Europe continues to improve, with Macedonia and Bulgaria no longer countries of interest. Bahrain the worst off non SAm country, is getting better, fingers crossed. Malaysia is looking slightly better off than last week. Australia is now 5 1/2 months without a single covid death.

How can deaths/population/week be an integer greater than 1, and how can it be negative?

This is ranking. -1, -2, -3, … for worst, second worst, third worst country etc.

Actual numbers last week ranged up to 133*10^-6 deaths per person per week.

I use minus because otherwise the chart is upside down.

Thanks.

Wouldn’t the actual numbers give a better picture though?

The Betoota advocate:

‘Melbourne Man Caught Trying To Enter International Space Station.

“Why can’t people from Melbourne just stay in Melbourne? How hard is it?” said Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews, who said her team is now tasked with the job of getting this fucking man back to Australia from outer space.

“They go on about how much they love it in Melbourne and all they do is get caught leaving it,”

“Now we have this pelican trying to get into the International Space Station. For Christ’s sake! Just do what you’re fucking told!”

Probably the fault of the vaccine-hesitant boom-boom-boomers who don’t want to die from unusual clots, this has nothing to do with

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Another bullshit pi’e dream in the sky story about a disease that only kills a few people but lets The Economy Must Grow regardless, it’s mostly like a mild ‘flu’, there’s a vaccine, but suppression-elimination-eradication is impossible.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-14/patient-zero-polio-re-emerged-children-across-western-pacific/100162048

Don’t worry it mostly affects children just like COVID-19 will once we’ve shot all the adults, and then we can just let it rip and live like old normal and melt the glaciers and let the children spread it happily around because they don’t get sick from it at all yeah oh wait.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/seasonal-flu-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-australia-20210612-p580gk.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/seasonal-flu-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-australia-20210612-p580gk.html

From that piece (I haven’t read all of it yet)

“A similar trend has been reported by chairman of the Immunisation Coalition and GP, Rod Pearce, who helps undertake COVID-19 testing through a respiratory clinic in South Australia.

The testing doesn’t just pick up coronavirus, but another 10 viruses.”

I thought we established by searching the sources that a COVID19 PCR test only tests for COVID19. Maybe his particular respiratory clinic does big tests, but I don’t think it is done generally.

Found the link.

“It is important to note that due to the COVID-19 epidemic in Australia, data reported from the various influenza surveillance systems may not represent an accurate reflection of influenza activity. Results should be interpreted with caution, especially where comparisons are made to previous influenza seasons. Interpretation of influenza activity data from April 2020 onwards should take into account, but are not limited to, the impact of social distancing measures, likely changes in health seeking behaviour of the community including access to alternative streams of acute respiratory infection specific health services, and focussed testing for COVID-19 response activities. Current COVID-19 related public health measures and the community’s adherence to public health messages are also likely having an effect on transmission of acute respiratory infections, including influenza.” (My emphasis)

From the Department of Health:

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/seasonal-flu-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-australia-20210612-p580gk.html

From that piece (I haven’t read all of it yet)

“The testing doesn’t just pick up coronavirus, but another 10 viruses.”

I thought we established by searching the sources that a COVID19 PCR test only tests for COVID19. Maybe his particular respiratory clinic does big tests, but I don’t think it is done generally.

1. “the testing” must be interpreted as the specific test alone
2. yes if what was established was actually that a whole heap of viruses have been tested for more in the past year plus

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Beyond Amoy Gardens: Completing the Incomplete Legacy

Ignatius Tak-Sun Yu, Hong Qiu, Lap Ah Tse, and Tze Wai Wong
Division of Occupational and Environmental Health, JC School of Public Health and Primary Care, The Chinese University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, China

The temporal and spatial distributions of the 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak in Amoy Gardens of Hong Kong was reexamined using all confirmed cases. The outbreak actually extended to nearby residential complexes. Airborne spread was the most likely explanation, and the SARS coronavirus could have spread over a distance of 200 m.

Received 19 September 2013; accepted 24 November 2013; electronically published 6 December 2013.

LOL

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/seasonal-flu-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-australia-20210612-p580gk.html

There hasn’t been a single flu death reported in 2021, and there were less than 40 in 2020. This compares to more than 800 in 2019, a particularly bad season.

There were just nine cases of the flu confirmed in the first week of this month, according to the Immunisation Coalition. So far this year, there have been just 60 notifications of influenza in Victoria and 32 in NSW. Queensland has seen the most cases – at 171.

no wonder they say this COVID-19 thing which is just a very mild ‘flu’ is harmless, not worth worrying about, let it rip

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/seasonal-flu-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-australia-20210612-p580gk.html

There hasn’t been a single flu death reported in 2021, and there were less than 40 in 2020. This compares to more than 800 in 2019, a particularly bad season.

There were just nine cases of the flu confirmed in the first week of this month, according to the Immunisation Coalition. So far this year, there have been just 60 notifications of influenza in Victoria and 32 in NSW. Queensland has seen the most cases – at 171.

no wonder they say this COVID-19 thing which is just a very mild ‘flu’ is harmless, not worth worrying about, let it rip

Of course, it is like bushfires. Every year with no bushfires just makes the eventual bushfire deadlier.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/seasonal-flu-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-australia-20210612-p580gk.html

There hasn’t been a single flu death reported in 2021, and there were less than 40 in 2020. This compares to more than 800 in 2019, a particularly bad season.

There were just nine cases of the flu confirmed in the first week of this month, according to the Immunisation Coalition. So far this year, there have been just 60 notifications of influenza in Victoria and 32 in NSW. Queensland has seen the most cases – at 171.

no wonder they say this COVID-19 thing which is just a very mild ‘flu’ is harmless, not worth worrying about, let it rip

Of course, it is like bushfires. Every year with no bushfires just makes the eventual bushfire deadlier.

ah like smallpox

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/seasonal-flu-nowhere-to-be-seen-in-australia-20210612-p580gk.html

“It’s either eradicated, or it’s at such low levels we’re having trouble detecting it,” said the Doherty Institute’s Professor Ian Barr.

LOL get real, everyone knows that endemic diseases we love to spread around can’t possibly be eradicated, who the hell are these dough boy institute anyway, as if some uneducated grunts would know anything about medicine or disease

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said formal hotel quarantine was offered to people in those situations if they wanted.

But he said there had been “great success” with positive cases isolating at home, and said apartment buildings were different to hotel quarantine because there were no staff being potentially exposed.

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/nsw-hotel-quarantine-covid19-case-possible-spread-breach/100218310

NSW Health authorities are investigating another possible instance of COVID-19 spreading among returned travellers in hotel quarantine.

NSW Health said tonight it was unclear how and where transmission occurred from a couple to another returned traveller who were all staying on the fourth floor of the Radisson Blu quarantine hotel. All three cases arrived in Sydney on the same flight from Doha on June 1, and stayed in adjacent rooms in the quarantine hotel in Sydney’s CBD. Genomic sequencing has shown all three cases have identical viral sequences of the UK variant, also known as the Alpha strain, of the virus.

see just a mild ‘flu’ easy

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/us-covid-death-toll-milestone-vaccine-grand-reopening/100218430

Analysis suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019

A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the US in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognised by health officials.

The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain sceptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the US before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.

“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn’t become widespread until late February.”

Such results underscore the need for countries to work together and identify newly emerging viruses as quickly and collaboratively as possible, she added.

AP

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/covid-live-update-latest-news-nsw-hotel-quarantine/100218512

I haven’t yet looked for the actual paper that reports this.

Michael V said:

Analysis suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019

A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the US in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognised by health officials.

The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain sceptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the US before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.

“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn’t become widespread until late February.”

Such results underscore the need for countries to work together and identify newly emerging viruses as quickly and collaboratively as possible, she added.

AP

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/covid-live-update-latest-news-nsw-hotel-quarantine/100218512

I haven’t yet looked for the actual paper that reports this.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab519/6294073

Michael V said:

Analysis suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019

A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the US in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognised by health officials.

The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain sceptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the US before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.

“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn’t become widespread until late February.”

Such results underscore the need for countries to work together and identify newly emerging viruses as quickly and collaboratively as possible, she added.

AP

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/covid-live-update-latest-news-nsw-hotel-quarantine/100218512

I haven’t yet looked for the actual paper that reports this.

Looks like it’s old news though.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-united-states-december-2019.html

That’s dated 2/12/20

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Analysis suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019

A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the US in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognised by health officials.

The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain sceptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the US before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.

“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn’t become widespread until late February.”

Such results underscore the need for countries to work together and identify newly emerging viruses as quickly and collaboratively as possible, she added.

AP

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/covid-live-update-latest-news-nsw-hotel-quarantine/100218512

I haven’t yet looked for the actual paper that reports this.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab519/6294073

That one is not looking as far back as December 2019.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Analysis suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019

A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the US in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognised by health officials.

The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain sceptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the US before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.

“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn’t become widespread until late February.”

Such results underscore the need for countries to work together and identify newly emerging viruses as quickly and collaboratively as possible, she added.

AP

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/covid-live-update-latest-news-nsw-hotel-quarantine/100218512

I haven’t yet looked for the actual paper that reports this.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab519/6294073

That one is not looking as far back as December 2019.

I see.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab519/6294073

That one is not looking as far back as December 2019.

I see.

I probably clicked on the wrong link. The latest study, published Tuesday online by the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, is by a team including researchers at the National Institutes of Health. They analyzed blood samples from more than 24,000 people across the country, collected in the first three months of 2020 as part of a long-term study called “All Of Us” that seeks to track 1 million Americans over years to study health.

Like the CDC study, these researchers looked for antibodies in the blood that are taken as evidence of coronavirus infection, and can be detected as early as two weeks after a person is first infected. The researchers say nine study participants — five from Illinois, and one each from Massachusetts, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin — were infected earlier than any COVID-19 case was ever reported in those states. One of the Illinois cases was infected as early as Christmas Eve, said Keri Althoff, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the study’s lead author.

June 15, 2021 at 08:04 AM in COVID-19, Medical testing | Permalink | Comments (0) https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab519/6294073

That one is not looking as far back as December 2019.

I see.

But this one was published 30 November 2020.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472

It can be difficult to distinguish antibodies that neutralize SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, from antibodies that fight other coronaviruses, including some that cause the common cold. Researchers in both the NIH and CDC studies used multiple types of tests to minimize false positive results, but some experts say it still is possible their 2019 positives were infections by other coronaviruses and not the pandemic strain.

“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into the United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not mean that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we’re thinking about this,” said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on disease dynamics.

The NIH researchers have not followed up with study participants yet to see if any had traveled out of the U.S. prior to their infection. But they found it noteworthy that the seven did not live in or near New York City or Seattle, where the first wave of U.S. cases were concentrated.

“The question is how did, and where did, the virus take seed,” Althoff said. The new study indicates “it probably seeded in multiple places in our country,” she added.

And then there was evidence of it being in Italy earlier too. From sewerage testing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7428442/

And more generally:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-circulating-italy-earlier-thought.html

buffy said:

And then there was evidence of it being in Italy earlier too. From sewerage testing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7428442/

And more generally:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-circulating-italy-earlier-thought.html

Yes. I thought that the earliest cases were in Italy.

all bullshit it was clearly leaked from a laboratory in CHINA and your claims are just more propaganda

SCIENCE said:

all bullshit it was clearly leaked from a laboratory in CHINA and your claims are just more propaganda

We all know that.. When it arrived in places outside China though…

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

all bullshit it was clearly leaked from a laboratory in CHINA and your claims are just more propaganda

We all know that.. When it arrived in places outside China though…

you mean they were skilled enough to smuggle it into various countries

and then make sure it didn’t explode for months despite being absolutely fucking crazy these days

and then pretend it was all a wet market

and then be sure when they told everyone oh shit better mask up and lock down that nobody except Jacinda would listen

we mean who are these geniuses who can so dominate the world with their intellectual superiority

and we thought Russian cryptocurrency ransomware hackers were the shit

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

all bullshit it was clearly leaked from a laboratory in CHINA and your claims are just more propaganda

We all know that.. When it arrived in places outside China though…

you mean they were skilled enough to smuggle it into various countries

and then make sure it didn’t explode for months despite being absolutely fucking crazy these days

and then pretend it was all a wet market

and then be sure when they told everyone oh shit better mask up and lock down that nobody except Jacinda would listen

we mean who are these geniuses who can so dominate the world with their intellectual superiority

and we thought Russian cryptocurrency ransomware hackers were the shit

No I don’t mean that at all.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Have they finished? They have also slipped another notch down the deaths per million chart to number 35 now. (USA and UK running neck for neck at 19 and 20)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Indian authorities have launched an investigation after an internal government report concluded that some private agencies responsible for coronavirus testing on pilgrims at a sprawling Hindu festival forged at least 100,000 results.

Australian Age Author Acts As Asian Apologist

https://www.theage.com.au/national/we-probably-should-have-been-wearing-masks-the-whole-time-20210615-p5819r.html

And off we go again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/nsw-covid19-positive-locally-acquired-case-recorded/100218700

LOL

buffy said:

And off we go again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/nsw-covid19-positive-locally-acquired-case-recorded/100218700

He was a driver for flight crew, apparently.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

And off we go again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/nsw-covid19-positive-locally-acquired-case-recorded/100218700

He was a driver for flight crew, apparently.

Gold Standard

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

And off we go again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/nsw-covid19-positive-locally-acquired-case-recorded/100218700

He was a driver for flight crew, apparently.

And a bloke who lived in the same residence has now tested positive.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

And off we go again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/nsw-covid19-positive-locally-acquired-case-recorded/100218700

He was a driver for flight crew, apparently.

And a bloke who lived in the same residence has now tested positive.

Just when I was thinking I’m nearly out of toilet paper.

roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He was a driver for flight crew, apparently.

And a bloke who lived in the same residence has now tested positive.

Just when I was thinking I’m nearly out of toilet paper.

BUY BUY BUY

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Evening, I feel a bit fkd after the second Covid shot now. Got all the fatigue and myalgia of a viral infection. Not overly autistic compared to usual though.

That was from poik at 21:12 last night. Apparently this response is showing up quite consistently.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-06-17/side-effect-astra-pfizer-vaccine-australia-safety-data/100202616

AstraZeneca and Pfizer COVID vaccine shots lead to missed work days, survey reveals

LOL damn that Economy Must Really Grow, imagine the damage losing work days must do, better get out there and catch that Let It Rip instead, a mild ‘flu’ wouldn’t cost as much sick leave

Australia’s vaccine experts are expected to further restrict the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, recommending that people under 60 receive Pfizer.

The change, which sources have told the ABC the federal government is expected to agree to, will further complicate the national vaccine rollout.

The federal government is yet to receive the advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI), with sources saying they hope it would be before them by 2pm AEST.

The vaccine is currently recommended for use by the over-50s, and that health advice has not yet changed.

Some experts had been calling for a review of the age rule, after a 52-year-old woman died from a clotting condition last week.

Health ministers across the country are also expected to receive the advice in the coming hours.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is currently flying back from Europe to Australia, and is expected to land this afternoon.

Source have told the ABC that there has been no emergency National Cabinet meeting arranged.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/atagi-to-change-astrazeneca-age-rules/100222464

sarahs mum said:

Australia’s vaccine experts are expected to further restrict the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, recommending that people under 60 receive Pfizer.

The change, which sources have told the ABC the federal government is expected to agree to, will further complicate the national vaccine rollout.

The federal government is yet to receive the advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI), with sources saying they hope it would be before them by 2pm AEST.

The vaccine is currently recommended for use by the over-50s, and that health advice has not yet changed.

Some experts had been calling for a review of the age rule, after a 52-year-old woman died from a clotting condition last week.

Health ministers across the country are also expected to receive the advice in the coming hours.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is currently flying back from Europe to Australia, and is expected to land this afternoon.

Source have told the ABC that there has been no emergency National Cabinet meeting arranged.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/atagi-to-change-astrazeneca-age-rules/100222464

Surely The Economy Must Grow is always more important than a few lazy old decrepits dying.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia’s vaccine experts are expected to further restrict the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, recommending that people under 60 receive Pfizer.

Surely The Economy Must Grow is always more important than a few lazy old decrepits dying.

Perhaps us old over-60s are, by some arcane mechanism and measurement, immune to the lethal potentialities of the A-Z juice?

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia’s vaccine experts are expected to further restrict the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, recommending that people under 60 receive Pfizer.

The change, which sources have told the ABC the federal government is expected to agree to, will further complicate the national vaccine rollout.

The federal government is yet to receive the advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI), with sources saying they hope it would be before them by 2pm AEST.

The vaccine is currently recommended for use by the over-50s, and that health advice has not yet changed.

Some experts had been calling for a review of the age rule, after a 52-year-old woman died from a clotting condition last week.

Health ministers across the country are also expected to receive the advice in the coming hours.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is currently flying back from Europe to Australia, and is expected to land this afternoon.

Source have told the ABC that there has been no emergency National Cabinet meeting arranged.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/atagi-to-change-astrazeneca-age-rules/100222464

Surely The Economy Must Grow is always more important than a few lazy old decrepits dying.

I wonder the acceptable death number is before the economy must slow down or stop for a while

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia’s vaccine experts are expected to further restrict the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, recommending that people under 60 receive Pfizer.

Surely The Economy Must Grow is always more important than a few lazy old decrepits dying.

Perhaps us old over-60s are, by some arcane mechanism and measurement, immune to the lethal potentialities of the A-Z juice?

That’ll be our immune system petering out as we age…

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Surely The Economy Must Grow is always more important than a few lazy old decrepits dying.

Perhaps us old over-60s are, by some arcane mechanism and measurement, immune to the lethal potentialities of the A-Z juice?

That’ll be our immune system petering out as we age…

So is having an almost zero immune system a good thing for the way over 60s?

Tamb said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Perhaps us old over-60s are, by some arcane mechanism and measurement, immune to the lethal potentialities of the A-Z juice?

That’ll be our immune system petering out as we age…

So is having an almost zero immune system a good thing for the way over 60s?

Not really. And likely why your doctor is holding you back from the vaccine at the moment, I would think.

buffy said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

That’ll be our immune system petering out as we age…

So is having an almost zero immune system a good thing for the way over 60s?

Not really. And likely why your doctor is holding you back from the vaccine at the moment, I would think.

I concur. It’s a bit worrying.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

So is having an almost zero immune system a good thing for the way over 60s?

Not really. And likely why your doctor is holding you back from the vaccine at the moment, I would think.

I concur. It’s a bit worrying.

It’s risk management. And it’s a Good Thing.

buffy said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Not really. And likely why your doctor is holding you back from the vaccine at the moment, I would think.

I concur. It’s a bit worrying.

It’s risk management. And it’s a Good Thing.

I understand & agree with the logic but it’s still a bit of a worry.

LOL

@ your

ABC

compare front reference

to headline

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/victoria-records-no-new-local-cases-of-coronavirus/100221856

SCIENCE said:

LOL

@ your

ABC

compare front reference

to headline

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/victoria-records-no-new-local-cases-of-coronavirus/100221856

Health workers, nurses,,,, working at secondary sites is way too easy for clusters to generate.

Same thing for chauffeurs, limousine drivers, taxi drivers, Uber drivers etc to spread COVID around creating multiple point to point contacts.

And other “positive round robin spreaders”.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

@ your

ABC

compare front reference

to headline

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/victoria-records-no-new-local-cases-of-coronavirus/100221856

Health workers, nurses,,,, working at secondary sites is way too easy for clusters to generate.

Same thing for chauffeurs, limousine drivers, taxi drivers, Uber drivers etc to spread COVID around creating multiple point to point contacts.

And other “positive round robin spreaders”.

Yes, “easing restrictions” is different to “concerned about restrictions”.

All these latest pop ups of covid are breach issues with returning overseas travellers.

Seems like Mr Car’s sister is one of the cases that made the govt change the astrazeneca roll out.

(Here I am think that there ain’t much difference in risk between a 58 year old and a 61 one year old. Or a 63 year old with a similar life style to the 58 year old.)

Tau.Neutrino said:

All these latest pop ups of covid are breach issues with returning overseas travellers.

how convenient, just the impetus we need to stop the boats for the federal election

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

All these latest pop ups of covid are breach issues with returning overseas travellers.

how convenient, just the impetus we need to stop the boats for the federal election

Why cant there be compulsory quarantine for all returning people

grrr,

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Just checked on the UK figures. Daily cases have doubled again from last week from 4000 to 8000. The week before that it was “only” 2000 cases daily.

Seems to be the Indian variant. The UK government decided not to impose travel restrictions on India because Biros was due to go there to meet the Indian PM to talk about trade deals. In the end they ended up doing the meeting remotely anyway, but the India travel bans still had to wait till after that event.

Guess which variant is responsible for the majority of new cases in the UK?

At a guess, the one that

1. results in breakthrough symptomatic disease in 50% (versus previous strains >90%) of vaccinated people
2. results in ongoing transmission in >75% (versus previous strains <25%) of vaccinated people
3. has increased infectivity in younger age groups (versus previous strains with similar infectivity across all ages) who have / can not be vaccinated as yet
4. has increased viral load and transmissibility despite non-pharmaceutical interventions (versus previous strains which were easily controlled in .sg and .vn and so forth)
5. will therefore be able to multiply up under this selection pressure (as it already has), and further mutate to continue to break protections leading to perpandemicity (rather than endemicity)

¿

anyway don’t worry it’s peaked

well it looked better for a few days

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-rollout-second-dose-pfizer/100222484

The health advice remains that you should not mix and match vaccines, for instance by following up an AstraZeneca shot with a Pfizer shot.

“There are some trials looking at a mix-and-match approach,” Professor Kelly said. “There is very little evidence that it is either effective or safe.”

—

LOL

well yes, that’s because this thing is barely a year old

seems to be doing just fine overseas

sarahs mum said:

sad

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

At a guess, the one that

1. results in breakthrough symptomatic disease in 50% (versus previous strains >90%) of vaccinated people
2. results in ongoing transmission in >75% (versus previous strains <25%) of vaccinated people
3. has increased infectivity in younger age groups (versus previous strains with similar infectivity across all ages) who have / can not be vaccinated as yet
4. has increased viral load and transmissibility despite non-pharmaceutical interventions (versus previous strains which were easily controlled in .sg and .vn and so forth)
5. will therefore be able to multiply up under this selection pressure (as it already has), and further mutate to continue to break protections leading to perpandemicity (rather than endemicity)

¿

anyway don’t worry it’s peaked

well it looked better for a few days

https://www.channel4.com/news/hospitals-told-to-brace-for-double-wave-of-covid-and-child-infections

An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.

The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”

It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.

“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.

“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.

“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.”

LOL

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

sad

Probably still win next election…

Are there any COVID developments in China? I haven’t seen any mention of such, but i may not have been paying close enough attention.

While India struggles, and the Western world deals with the arrival of this strain and that strain and this wave and maybe the next, is China now clear, fine, no problems here, it’s all over and done with, thanks?

captain_spalding said:

Are there any COVID developments in China? I haven’t seen any mention of such, but i may not have been paying close enough attention.

While India struggles, and the Western world deals with the arrival of this strain and that strain and this wave and maybe the next, is China now clear, fine, no problems here, it’s all over and done with, thanks?

Depending on where your conspiracy theory meter is sitting, you may or may not believe the Worldometers numbers:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

And they appear to come down fast and hard on any new cases.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/16/chinas-guangzhou-reports-zero-new-cases-for-first-time-in-new-cluster.html

And a Reuters report:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-reports-19-new-covid-19-cases-june-16-vs-21-day-earlier-2021-06-17/

buffy said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Are there any COVID developments in China? I haven’t seen any mention of such, but i may not have been paying close enough attention.

While India struggles, and the Western world deals with the arrival of this strain and that strain and this wave and maybe the next, is China now clear, fine, no problems here, it’s all over and done with, thanks?

Depending on where your conspiracy theory meter is sitting, you may or may not believe the Worldometers numbers:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

And they appear to come down fast and hard on any new cases.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/16/chinas-guangzhou-reports-zero-new-cases-for-first-time-in-new-cluster.html

And a Reuters report:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-reports-19-new-covid-19-cases-june-16-vs-21-day-earlier-2021-06-17/

On Wednesday, Chen Bin, deputy director of the Guangzhou Municipal Health Commission, said zero cases “does not mean zero risk,” according to comments reported by local media.

“they appear to come down fast and hard on any new cases”

Those Communists In CHINA Are Harbouring Virology Secrets And Must Know Something About Pandemic Control That We Don’t, If It Is Even Possible That Their Minimal Caseload Is Not Just Propaganda

“Current data in Australia says that the over-60s, of those who contract COVID, 14 per cent of those die. So, it’s a really important message that this vaccine will protect you from this virus, but you do need to get the vaccine. If you’ve had your first dose of AstraZeneca, please don’t hesitate to get your second dose.”

From “Chief nursing officer urges people to get vaccinated”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-18/covid-live-update-latest-news/100224426

Anyone got any idea where that 14% comes from? I don’t think it’s even that high for the over 80s.

buffy said:

“Current data in Australia says that the over-60s, of those who contract COVID, 14 per cent of those die. So, it’s a really important message that this vaccine will protect you from this virus, but you do need to get the vaccine. If you’ve had your first dose of AstraZeneca, please don’t hesitate to get your second dose.”

From “Chief nursing officer urges people to get vaccinated”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-18/covid-live-update-latest-news/100224426

Anyone got any idea where that 14% comes from? I don’t think it’s even that high for the over 80s.

OK, the ABS says it’s quite serious if you are male and over 80. See case fatality rates:

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0

But I don’t know how you get a number for over 60s.

buffy said:

buffy said:

“Current data in Australia says that the over-60s, of those who contract COVID, 14 per cent of those die. So, it’s a really important message that this vaccine will protect you from this virus, but you do need to get the vaccine. If you’ve had your first dose of AstraZeneca, please don’t hesitate to get your second dose.”

From “Chief nursing officer urges people to get vaccinated”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-18/covid-live-update-latest-news/100224426

Anyone got any idea where that 14% comes from? I don’t think it’s even that high for the over 80s.

OK, the ABS says it’s quite serious if you are male and over 80. See case fatality rates:

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0

But I don’t know how you get a number for over 60s.

They probably should update that page now. The numbers might not be the same after the second wave with few deaths.

The Ganges Is Returning the Dead. It Does Not Lie.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/17/opinion/india-covid-ganges.html

Queensland police fine a Melbourne couple more than $4,000 each after they allegedly lied on their border declaration passes and later tested positive to COVID-19 on the Sunshine Coast.

roughbarked said:

Queensland police fine a Melbourne couple more than $4,000 each after they allegedly lied on their border declaration passes and later tested positive to COVID-19 on the Sunshine Coast.

good.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Queensland police fine a Melbourne couple more than $4,000 each after they allegedly lied on their border declaration passes and later tested positive to COVID-19 on the Sunshine Coast.

good.

Should stand as a warning to other selfish people but the fines should get bigger each offence.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Queensland police fine a Melbourne couple more than $4,000 each after they allegedly lied on their border declaration passes and later tested positive to COVID-19 on the Sunshine Coast.

good.

Should stand as a warning to other selfish people but the fines should get bigger each offence.

What about the contention that people will now be less likely to come forward and own up to where they’ve been ¿

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

good.

Should stand as a warning to other selfish people but the fines should get bigger each offence.

What about the contention that people will now be less likely to come forward and own up to where they’ve been ¿

Greater punishment should ensue. The more that do it the bigger the fines get.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Should stand as a warning to other selfish people but the fines should get bigger each offence.

What about the contention that people will now be less likely to come forward and own up to where they’ve been ¿

Greater punishment should ensue. The more that do it the bigger the fines get.

Indexed to their financial placement. That time they tried to sail around the blockades to get to where they were going, their boat should have been sent to the crushers and their property impounded.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Queensland police fine a Melbourne couple more than $4,000 each after they allegedly lied on their border declaration passes and later tested positive to COVID-19 on the Sunshine Coast.

good.

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Queensland police fine a Melbourne couple more than $4,000 each after they allegedly lied on their border declaration passes and later tested positive to COVID-19 on the Sunshine Coast.

good.

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

So they’re paying $8000 then ¿

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Queensland police fine a Melbourne couple more than $4,000 each after they allegedly lied on their border declaration passes and later tested positive to COVID-19 on the Sunshine Coast.

good.

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

They should have to pay that as well and including all court costs.

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

good.

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

So they’re paying $8000 then ¿

Makes nodding motions.

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

good.

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

So they’re paying $8000 then ¿

Yup – only twice the cost of doing it legitimately. If they hadn’t actually had covid, they’d have saved $4k.

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

good.

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

So they’re paying $8000 then ¿

actually no we get your point, they’re federal government cronies and this is yet again another bullshit way of getting the public to believe that the justice has been served, while generous party donors with good financial backing get to pay the market rate for hotel accommodation which normal people wouldn’t even get access to owing to being strictly meant to shelter in place

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

So they’re paying $8000 then ¿

Yup – only twice the cost of doing it legitimately. If they hadn’t actually had covid, they’d have saved $4k.

No.. If they hadn’t lied..

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

That all? It costs $4k to quarantine them.

So they’re paying $8000 then ¿

actually no we get your point, they’re federal government cronies and this is yet again another bullshit way of getting the public to believe that the justice has been served, while generous party donors with good financial backing get to pay the market rate for hotel accommodation which normal people wouldn’t even get access to owing to being strictly meant to shelter in place

Somewhat true as well.

Hey DO.

You tube offered me

Did I Just Break My GOLD SNIPING RECORD? Crevices Loaded With GOLD NUGGETS!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aTePQUEMpE

Have you watched them?

And also…I watched this vid on Jordies.

7 NEWS JUST SCREWED FRIENDLY JORDIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBnxm4_bS8

For those who watched the Jordies vids it is obvious to see how they were editted for spin.

sarahs mum said:

Hey DO.

You tube offered me

Did I Just Break My GOLD SNIPING RECORD? Crevices Loaded With GOLD NUGGETS!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aTePQUEMpE

Have you watched them?

And also…I watched this vid on Jordies.

7 NEWS JUST SCREWED FRIENDLY JORDIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBnxm4_bS8

For those who watched the Jordies vids it is obvious to see how they were editted for spin.

of latter of course I haven’t watched it or anything related, so couldn’t possibly comment

but hypothetically, if I consulted my crystal ball, delved the realm of possibility space, imagined an example, totally random, considered whatever in generalities, I might conjure an example that was more about fixation than terrorism, or I might not, and I might wonder if people are sometimes waiting for something to happen, or I might not, waiting with their recording devices, which could be to invite something, and then claim it was unexpected

I should though mention not all fixated ideas are wrong, or entirely wrong, or bad, or fixations maybe I should say, if there was any fixations, which maybe there wasn’t, I couldn’t be sure, not even sure where I heard that word, perhaps I didn’t and i’m misremembering, an inexactitude i’ll call it

mainstream media tend to arrange content for anyone to be able to understand, a special sort of right thinking, eventually I think garden vegetables will able to watch that sort of news and get the gist of what’s going on, or understand the intended message, and even if they don’t quite get that far they’ll internalize the messaging, the method

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

sad

might be over the top to claim it’s disastrous, in my vernacular that’s exaggeration anyway

gets a bit lost in the noise, but the reality is vaccines have been fast tracked, the greater testing on larger populations is going well, the AZ age recommendations have been adjusted for example

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

sad

might be over the top to claim it’s disastrous, in my vernacular that’s exaggeration anyway

gets a bit lost in the noise, but the reality is vaccines have been fast tracked, the greater testing on larger populations is going well, the AZ age recommendations have been adjusted for example

Yes. I love all the people who have eagle eyed hindsight.

“Almost one-third of WA nurses working in aged care say they would rather quit their jobs than be forced to have a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a survey by the Australian Nursing Federation.

The WA branch of the federation (ANF) surveyed 800 of its members working in aged care and found 31 per cent would leave their job if they were forced to be vaccinated against coronavirus.

Earlier this month, Premier Mark McGowan said his government was looking at making it mandatory by sometime in August for aged care workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

Mr McGowan said he supported the idea, subject to exemptions, because elderly people were very vulnerable to the virus and the workforce was a potential source of infection.”

Around 30% of aged-care nurses clearly have little medical understanding, it seems to me. This might be a way of getting rid of them.

Michael V said:

“Almost one-third of WA nurses working in aged care say they would rather quit their jobs than be forced to have a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a survey by the Australian Nursing Federation.

The WA branch of the federation (ANF) surveyed 800 of its members working in aged care and found 31 per cent would leave their job if they were forced to be vaccinated against coronavirus.

Earlier this month, Premier Mark McGowan said his government was looking at making it mandatory by sometime in August for aged care workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

Mr McGowan said he supported the idea, subject to exemptions, because elderly people were very vulnerable to the virus and the workforce was a potential source of infection.”

Around 30% of aged-care nurses clearly have little medical understanding, it seems to me. This might be a way of getting rid of them.

Ref:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-18/covid-live-update-latest-news/100224426

sibeen said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

sad

might be over the top to claim it’s disastrous, in my vernacular that’s exaggeration anyway

gets a bit lost in the noise, but the reality is vaccines have been fast tracked, the greater testing on larger populations is going well, the AZ age recommendations have been adjusted for example

Yes. I love all the people who have eagle eyed hindsight.

what about the people who have been telling truth all along

Michael V said:

“Almost one-third of WA nurses working in aged care say they would rather quit their jobs than be forced to have a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a survey by the Australian Nursing Federation.

The WA branch of the federation (ANF) surveyed 800 of its members working in aged care and found 31 per cent would leave their job if they were forced to be vaccinated against coronavirus.

Earlier this month, Premier Mark McGowan said his government was looking at making it mandatory by sometime in August for aged care workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

Mr McGowan said he supported the idea, subject to exemptions, because elderly people were very vulnerable to the virus and the workforce was a potential source of infection.”

Around 30% of aged-care nurses clearly have little medical understanding, it seems to me. This might be a way of getting rid of them.

Yeah, I read that earlier today. It does seem odd that medically trained personages would be opposed to the vaccine.

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

transition said:

might be over the top to claim it’s disastrous, in my vernacular that’s exaggeration anyway

gets a bit lost in the noise, but the reality is vaccines have been fast tracked, the greater testing on larger populations is going well, the AZ age recommendations have been adjusted for example

Yes. I love all the people who have eagle eyed hindsight.

what about the people who have been telling truth all along

You can’t handle the truth!

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Yes. I love all the people who have eagle eyed hindsight.

what about the people who have been telling truth all along

You can’t handle the truth!

true

Michael V said:

“Almost one-third of WA nurses working in aged care say they would rather quit their jobs than be forced to have a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a survey by the Australian Nursing Federation.

The WA branch of the federation (ANF) surveyed 800 of its members working in aged care and found 31 per cent would leave their job if they were forced to be vaccinated against coronavirus.

Earlier this month, Premier Mark McGowan said his government was looking at making it mandatory by sometime in August for aged care workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

Mr McGowan said he supported the idea, subject to exemptions, because elderly people were very vulnerable to the virus and the workforce was a potential source of infection.”

Around 30% of aged-care nurses clearly have little medical understanding, it seems to me. This might be a way of getting rid of them.

That does not necessarily mean they wont get vaccinated, some of them might have just been protesting about the ‘being forced’ bit.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

“Almost one-third of WA nurses working in aged care say they would rather quit their jobs than be forced to have a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a survey by the Australian Nursing Federation.

The WA branch of the federation (ANF) surveyed 800 of its members working in aged care and found 31 per cent would leave their job if they were forced to be vaccinated against coronavirus.

Earlier this month, Premier Mark McGowan said his government was looking at making it mandatory by sometime in August for aged care workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

Mr McGowan said he supported the idea, subject to exemptions, because elderly people were very vulnerable to the virus and the workforce was a potential source of infection.”

Around 30% of aged-care nurses clearly have little medical understanding, it seems to me. This might be a way of getting rid of them.

Yeah, I read that earlier today. It does seem odd that medically trained personages would be opposed to the vaccine.

maybe they see the vaccination as being used for political purposes, that to be too readily obliging is to invite letting it (coronavirus) go wild, and if you work in a hospital or services related you get to work around the most serious dimension of medical outcomes of infection, contagion-central if you will, and the reality is vaccinated people can still carry the infection, and even get seriously ill (though statistically a lot less likely that latter)

people that work in hospitals are very alert to moving infections around, preventing it is part of their training, so it should be an unsurprise to learn their attitudes add up to don’t let it go wild, i’m not helping anyone do that

I mean vaccine hesitancy (some of) can be seen as a prophylaxis to letting it go wild (a stance, to maximize elimination strategies), and i’d bet there is some of that happening, though you won’t read about it for various reasons

there are some forces presently that have near a monistic view that the vaccine is the singular big fix, if everyone would just get it done in a hurry, then everything would get back to normal, which is disingenuous really given much has actually been normal (in Australia)

there is though a threat to maintaining that normal if coronavirus was let go wild, even with mostly everyone vaccinated, and the casualties of the let it go wild policy end up in hospitals, the attending staff are constantly exposed by proximity, which comes with more constraints and testing etc (a higher risk hospital staff might carry and transmit it)

the category and related status of the disease post broad vaccination isn’t known yet, and that isn’t (only) because most people haven’t been vaccinated, and consider the insanity of the view it would be (known) if most people got vaccinated and it was let go wild, imagine the bullshit if that doesn’t go so well

there’s always plenty bullshit, who needs more of it

for some, notionally, most people vaccinated = let it go wild, not everyone is enthusiastic about that

transition said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

“Almost one-third of WA nurses working in aged care say they would rather quit their jobs than be forced to have a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a survey by the Australian Nursing Federation.

The WA branch of the federation (ANF) surveyed 800 of its members working in aged care and found 31 per cent would leave their job if they were forced to be vaccinated against coronavirus.

Earlier this month, Premier Mark McGowan said his government was looking at making it mandatory by sometime in August for aged care workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

Mr McGowan said he supported the idea, subject to exemptions, because elderly people were very vulnerable to the virus and the workforce was a potential source of infection.”

Around 30% of aged-care nurses clearly have little medical understanding, it seems to me. This might be a way of getting rid of them.

Yeah, I read that earlier today. It does seem odd that medically trained personages would be opposed to the vaccine.

maybe they see the vaccination as being used for political purposes, that to be too readily obliging is to invite letting it (coronavirus) go wild, and if you work in a hospital or services related you get to work around the most serious dimension of medical outcomes of infection, contagion-central if you will, and the reality is vaccinated people can still carry the infection, and even get seriously ill (though statistically a lot less likely that latter)

people that work in hospitals are very alert to moving infections around, preventing it is part of their training, so it should be an unsurprise to learn their attitudes add up to don’t let it go wild, i’m not helping anyone do that

I mean vaccine hesitancy (some of) can be seen as a prophylaxis to letting it go wild (a stance, to maximize elimination strategies), and i’d bet there is some of that happening, though you won’t read about it for various reasons

there are some forces presently that have near a monistic view that the vaccine is the singular big fix, if everyone would just get it done in a hurry, then everything would get back to normal, which is disingenuous really given much has actually been normal (in Australia)

there is though a threat to maintaining that normal if coronavirus was let go wild, even with mostly everyone vaccinated, and the casualties of the let it go wild policy end up in hospitals, the attending staff are constantly exposed by proximity, which comes with more constraints and testing etc (a higher risk hospital staff might carry and transmit it)

the category and related status of the disease post broad vaccination isn’t known yet, and that isn’t (only) because most people haven’t been vaccinated, and consider the insanity of the view it would be (known) if most people got vaccinated and it was let go wild, imagine the bullshit if that doesn’t go so well

there’s always plenty bullshit, who needs more of it

for some, notionally, most people vaccinated = let it go wild, not everyone is enthusiastic about that

So will you be getting vaccinated?

Thank goodness deaths in Uruguay have started to drop. Lowest there since early April.
Fingers crossed that the very high vaccination rate there is responsible.

And here are vaccination rates for the same countries over the same time period.
I hadn’t realised that just a week ago, Bahrain also had both an exceptionally high vaccination rate and exceptionally high death rate.

mollwollfumble said:

Thank goodness deaths in Uruguay have started to drop. Lowest there since early April.
Fingers crossed that the very high vaccination rate there is responsible.

And here are vaccination rates for the same countries over the same time period.
I hadn’t realised that just a week ago, Bahrain also had both an exceptionally high vaccination rate and exceptionally high death rate.

Deaths per million population (7 day rolling average). Changes over the past fortnight.

South America dominates of course, and Paraguay we already knew was a worlds worst disaster area. But it’s rapidly getting worse.

Watch out for the counties not in South America, ie. Seychelles (Indian Ocean), Namibia (Africa), Bahrain (Persian Gulf), Bosnia (Balkans) and Tunisia (North Africa). Any one of those could be the hot spot for future spread.

Turns Out AstraZeneca Is Run By Christian Porter

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-19/astrazeneca-eu-vaccine-supply-court/100228188

A Belgian court ruled that coronavirus vaccine-maker AstraZeneca had committed a “serious breach” of its contract with the European Union amid a major legal battle over delivery obligations that has tarnished the company’s image.

The court ordered AstraZeneca to deliver a total of 80.2 million doses to the EU from the time the contract was agreed up until September 27. The Commission, for its part, also claimed a victory in that the judge had ordered the company to respect a delivery schedule of 15 million doses by July 26, 20 million doses by August 23 and 15 million doses by September 27. It ordered a fine of $AUD 15 per dose not delivered.

But the Anglo-Swedish company claimed victory, saying that this was far fewer than the 120 million doses that the EU’s executive branch, the European Commission, was seeking in total by the end of June. “We are pleased with the Court’s order,” Executive Vice-President Jeffrey Pott said in a statement.

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-06-19/australia-call-to-lengthen-covid-quarantine-period/100018300

you get all this transmission from air crew and diplomats who have to quarantine for virtually no time and now it’s about lengthening it for others

Strange AFL match in Geelong last night. Crowd was restricted to 25%, 7000 people, yet for some reason all the fans were seated together instead of spread out around the stadium.

A quick video I put together of a map of Covid deaths /1M worldwide as a function of time.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1us8vyMy3ueBZuw9PQVjSgcLCcf5NB25y/view?usp=sharing

It’s worth watching all the way through several times.

From https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths
metric=“confirmed deaths”, interval=“7-day rolling average” (or “biweekly”), tick “relative to population”
Click on “maps”, scroll back to the start and press play.

mollwollfumble said:

A quick video I put together of a map of Covid deaths /1M worldwide as a function of time.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1us8vyMy3ueBZuw9PQVjSgcLCcf5NB25y/view?usp=sharing

It’s worth watching all the way through several times.

From https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths
metric=“confirmed deaths”, interval=“7-day rolling average” (or “biweekly”), tick “relative to population”
Click on “maps”, scroll back to the start and press play.

Australia is looking good. :)

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

A quick video I put together of a map of Covid deaths /1M worldwide as a function of time.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1us8vyMy3ueBZuw9PQVjSgcLCcf5NB25y/view?usp=sharing

It’s worth watching all the way through several times.

From https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths
metric=“confirmed deaths”, interval=“7-day rolling average” (or “biweekly”), tick “relative to population”
Click on “maps”, scroll back to the start and press play.

Australia is looking good. :)

There was just a brief interval when Australia wasn’t exceedingly healthy, mid September 2020, see below.
Australia is now approaching 6 months with zero Covid deaths, only 9 more days to go.

mollwollfumble said:

A quick video I put together of a map of Covid deaths /1M worldwide as a function of time.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1us8vyMy3ueBZuw9PQVjSgcLCcf5NB25y/view?usp=sharing

It’s worth watching all the way through several times.

From https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths
metric=“confirmed deaths”, interval=“7-day rolling average” (or “biweekly”), tick “relative to population”
Click on “maps”, scroll back to the start and press play.

I’m not quite clear. Is that deaths per million (cumulative deaths/total population) or deaths per million per week (number of deaths this week/total population)? Because the size of the population in each country wouldn’t change a lot and if each week you added some more deaths to your total, you wouldn’t get reductions in deaths per million. That is, the number of deaths per million population would just keep getting bigger over time, so countries would just keep getting redder.

SCIENCE said:

Yeah, but…Vic still did more tests yesterday than NSW. (30,843 to 26,631)

REF: ABC COVID live updates

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Yeah, but…Vic still did more tests yesterday than NSW. (30,843 to 26,631)

REF: ABC COVID live updates

and then there was this Victorian traitor

Fortunately, expert epidemiologist Professor Catherine Bennett at Melbourne’s Deakin University agrees, for now.

Professor Bennett said the response to find, test and isolate known exposed people was working for the city, adding that comparisons between the Sydney eastern suburb’s cases and Melbourne’s cluster were worlds apart.

“The latest Melbourne outbreaks, including the Delta cluster, were three weeks in the making before discovery,” Professor Bennett said.

“NSW is different. On the upside whilst they are yet to figure out how the index case acquired the virus, authorities can be reasonably confident that this is the cross-over point into the community.

“They are therefore only a generation of spread behind the virus, not four or five like Melbourne.”

buffy said:

mollwollfumble said:

A quick video I put together of a map of Covid deaths /1M worldwide as a function of time.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1us8vyMy3ueBZuw9PQVjSgcLCcf5NB25y/view?usp=sharing

It’s worth watching all the way through several times.

From https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths
metric=“confirmed deaths”, interval=“7-day rolling average” (or “biweekly”), tick “relative to population”
Click on “maps”, scroll back to the start and press play.

I’m not quite clear. Is that deaths per million (cumulative deaths/total population) or deaths per million per week (number of deaths this week/total population)? Because the size of the population in each country wouldn’t change a lot and if each week you added some more deaths to your total, you wouldn’t get reductions in deaths per million. That is, the number of deaths per million population would just keep getting bigger over time, so countries would just keep getting redder.

Looks like it is confirmed deaths, 7 day rolling average, relative to population.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway don’t worry it’s peaked

well it looked better for a few days

https://www.channel4.com/news/hospitals-told-to-brace-for-double-wave-of-covid-and-child-infections

An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.

The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”

It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.

“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.

“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.

“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.”

LOL

ooh ooooh ooooooh

(just to reorient everyone, this is “United Kingdom” from https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 as you may have guessed)

SCIENCE said:

and then there was this Victorian traitor

Fortunately, expert epidemiologist Professor Catherine Bennett at Melbourne’s Deakin University agrees, for now.

Professor Bennett said the response to find, test and isolate known exposed people was working for the city, adding that comparisons between the Sydney eastern suburb’s cases and Melbourne’s cluster were worlds apart.

“The latest Melbourne outbreaks, including the Delta cluster, were three weeks in the making before discovery,” Professor Bennett said.

“NSW is different. On the upside whilst they are yet to figure out how the index case acquired the virus, authorities can be reasonably confident that this is the cross-over point into the community.

“They are therefore only a generation of spread behind the virus, not four or five like Melbourne.”

I don’t understand this. Didn’t the latest Melbourne outbreak come from someone out of Adelaide quarantine and it was found immediately they arrived in Melbourne?

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Yeah, but…Vic still did more tests yesterday than NSW. (30,843 to 26,631)

REF: ABC COVID live updates

With just 26,631 tests administered yesterday, NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard urges Sydney residents to take the “near and present danger” of the state’s COVID cluster more seriously.

The Boss has laid down strict rules for attendees of Springsteen on Broadway, which reopens on 26 June at the St James theatre. For admission, ticketholders must be able to prove they have received one of the three Covid-19 vaccinations with emergency use authorisation from the US Food and Drug Administration: the two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson.

This means those who have had doses of the AstraZeneca-Oxford jab, which is not approved for use in the US but is popular in Canada, the UK and other countries, will not be allowed in for what the show’s producers are billing “an intimate night with Bruce, his guitar, a piano and his stories”.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jun/18/bruce-springsteen-vaccine-astrazeneca-broadway

sarahs mum said:

The Boss has laid down strict rules for attendees of Springsteen on Broadway, which reopens on 26 June at the St James theatre. For admission, ticketholders must be able to prove they have received one of the three Covid-19 vaccinations with emergency use authorisation from the US Food and Drug Administration: the two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson.

This means those who have had doses of the AstraZeneca-Oxford jab, which is not approved for use in the US but is popular in Canada, the UK and other countries, will not be allowed in for what the show’s producers are billing “an intimate night with Bruce, his guitar, a piano and his stories”.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jun/18/bruce-springsteen-vaccine-astrazeneca-broadway

Ah well. There will have to be a next timer.

Bandung, Indonesia
Exhausted gravediggers rest between funerals at a cemetery designated for Covid-19 victims in Bandung as infection numbers soar in Indonesia

Photograph: Timur Matahari/AFP/Getty Images

sarahs mum said:

Bandung, Indonesia
Exhausted gravediggers rest between funerals at a cemetery designated for Covid-19 victims in Bandung as infection numbers soar in Indonesia

Photograph: Timur Matahari/AFP/Getty Images

The cleanest looking grave diggers that I’ve ever seen.

Is this a 4th wave yet?

party_pants said:

Is this a 4th wave yet?

But, but…haven’t they got a good level of vaccination under their belts now?

party_pants said:

Is this a 4th wave yet?

What’s the daily deaths chart look like?

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Is this a 4th wave yet?

What’s the daily deaths chart look like?

Here you go:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Is this a 4th wave yet?

But, but…haven’t they got a good level of vaccination under their belts now?

I don’t know anyone who is fully vaccinated IRL.

Today I met a woman who has lost many friends and family members in India. She told me she phones every day and every day there are more to add to the list :(

My Journal – Day 412

I did it. I got my second jab today – that AZ one, too. Let’s see if I die.

My Journal – Day 413

Hmm – I feel quite OK, no issues. I’d better wait…

My Journal – Day 416

Hey! I’m fine! Another 10 days and I’ll be fully vaccinated! That’s a load off my mind.

(Walks outside… whereupon he is instantly killed by a falling grand piano)

>>>> boom tish! <<<<<<

Obviousman said:

My Journal – Day 412

I did it. I got my second jab today – that AZ one, too. Let’s see if I die.

My Journal – Day 413

Hmm – I feel quite OK, no issues. I’d better wait…

My Journal – Day 416

Hey! I’m fine! Another 10 days and I’ll be fully vaccinated! That’s a load off my mind.

(Walks outside… whereupon he is instantly killed by a falling grand piano)

>>>> boom tish! <<<<<<

And you can’t be vaccinates against grand pianos……well you can if you are leaning on one when vaccinated I suppose.

Peak Warming Man said:

Obviousman said:

My Journal – Day 412

I did it. I got my second jab today – that AZ one, too. Let’s see if I die.

My Journal – Day 413

Hmm – I feel quite OK, no issues. I’d better wait…

My Journal – Day 416

Hey! I’m fine! Another 10 days and I’ll be fully vaccinated! That’s a load off my mind.

(Walks outside… whereupon he is instantly killed by a falling grand piano)

>>>> boom tish! <<<<<<

And you can’t be vaccinates against grand pianos……well you can if you are leaning on one when vaccinated I suppose.

What was that book or movie that had someone who got injected with luck; for like 10 mins they were the luckiest person on Earth.

Stainless Steel Rat?

Obviousman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Obviousman said:

My Journal – Day 412

I did it. I got my second jab today – that AZ one, too. Let’s see if I die.

My Journal – Day 413

Hmm – I feel quite OK, no issues. I’d better wait…

My Journal – Day 416

Hey! I’m fine! Another 10 days and I’ll be fully vaccinated! That’s a load off my mind.

(Walks outside… whereupon he is instantly killed by a falling grand piano)

>>>> boom tish! <<<<<<

And you can’t be vaccinates against grand pianos……well you can if you are leaning on one when vaccinated I suppose.

What was that book or movie that had someone who got injected with luck; for like 10 mins they were the luckiest person on Earth.

Stainless Steel Rat?

Not SSR.

Obviousman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Obviousman said:

My Journal – Day 412

I did it. I got my second jab today – that AZ one, too. Let’s see if I die.

My Journal – Day 413

Hmm – I feel quite OK, no issues. I’d better wait…

My Journal – Day 416

Hey! I’m fine! Another 10 days and I’ll be fully vaccinated! That’s a load off my mind.

(Walks outside… whereupon he is instantly killed by a falling grand piano)

>>>> boom tish! <<<<<<

And you can’t be vaccinates against grand pianos……well you can if you are leaning on one when vaccinated I suppose.

What was that book or movie that had someone who got injected with luck; for like 10 mins they were the luckiest person on Earth.

Stainless Steel Rat?

Wasn’t that one of the harry potter books?

btm said:

Obviousman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

And you can’t be vaccinates against grand pianos……well you can if you are leaning on one when vaccinated I suppose.

What was that book or movie that had someone who got injected with luck; for like 10 mins they were the luckiest person on Earth.

Stainless Steel Rat?

Wasn’t that one of the harry potter books?

It doesn’t ring a bell for the Potter books either.

btm said:

Obviousman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

And you can’t be vaccinates against grand pianos……well you can if you are leaning on one when vaccinated I suppose.

What was that book or movie that had someone who got injected with luck; for like 10 mins they were the luckiest person on Earth.

Stainless Steel Rat?

Wasn’t that one of the harry potter books?

I know there were spells.

HANG ON!

I think it is one of the Piers Anthony books: one of the Incarnations of Immortality books.

Obviousman said:

btm said:

Obviousman said:

What was that book or movie that had someone who got injected with luck; for like 10 mins they were the luckiest person on Earth.

Stainless Steel Rat?

Wasn’t that one of the harry potter books?

I know there were spells.

HANG ON!

I think it is one of the Piers Anthony books: one of the Incarnations of Immortality books.

The Luck of Teela Brown by Larry Niven?

btm said:

Obviousman said:

btm said:

Wasn’t that one of the harry potter books?

I know there were spells.

HANG ON!

I think it is one of the Piers Anthony books: one of the Incarnations of Immortality books.

The Luck of Teela Brown by Larry Niven?

Also, a quick check online confirms that harry potter drinks liquid luck in The Half Blood Prince.

btm said:

btm said:

Obviousman said:

I know there were spells.

HANG ON!

I think it is one of the Piers Anthony books: one of the Incarnations of Immortality books.

The Luck of Teela Brown by Larry Niven?

Also, a quick check online confirms that harry potter drinks liquid luck in The Half Blood Prince.

I’m replying before checking here, but I think it may be ‘On a Pale Horse’, where the guy kills Death, and takes his place.

> you can’t be vaccinates against grand pianos……well you can if you are leaning on one when vaccinated I suppose.

Pity. We could do with a vaccination against grand pianos. Someone we know moving into a smaller apartment wants to dump one on us.

Namibia’s in trouble. Serious trouble.

At least Malaysia is looking slightly better this week.

Daily deaths in Brazil are on the rise again. Colombia is all-time maximum Covid deaths. So is Argentina.

wait we thought the whole idea of letting it rip was to kill off the fat lazy useless demented old people so we wouldn’t have waste resources looking after them

not to create a whole new 3 generations of them for the remaining 0 unaffected generations to burden themselves with

Seems increasingly like the sensible thing to do would be to extend quarantine to 3 weeks and build capacity for it, but when do they do sensible ¿

—

Gold Standard

—

UK pushes for fully vaccinated to be exempt from Covid self-isolation

“We know that the vaccine, particularly after two doses, is highly effective at stopping you from getting seriously ill, 20 times less likely to end up in hospital.

“We also know that it will reduce your chances of getting milder illness and infecting other people, but it’s probably less good at doing that than it is preventing you getting seriously ill, so it’s a kind of balance of risk thing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/19/uk-pushes-for-fully-vaccinated-to-be-exempt-from-covid-self-isolation

LOL

SCIENCE said:

UK pushes for fully vaccinated to be exempt from Covid self-isolation

“We know that the vaccine, particularly after two doses, is highly effective at stopping you from getting seriously ill, 20 times less likely to end up in hospital.

“We also know that it will reduce your chances of getting milder illness and infecting other people, but it’s probably less good at doing that than it is preventing you getting seriously ill, so it’s a kind of balance of risk thing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/19/uk-pushes-for-fully-vaccinated-to-be-exempt-from-covid-self-isolation

LOL

what they do in their own country …

https://www.sciencealert.com/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-spreading-in-the-us-by-december-2019

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/governments-appalling-error-rejects-offer-of-40-million-pfizer-doses-in-july-2020/

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/governments-appalling-error-rejects-offer-of-40-million-pfizer-doses-in-july-2020/

Bloody!

SCIENCE said:

Seems increasingly like the sensible thing to do would be to extend quarantine to 3 weeks and build capacity for it, but when do they do sensible ¿

—

37mminutes ago

By Michael Doyle

More on Queensland’s new case

The woman arrived on June 5 and left hotel quarantine yesterday. 

She had been out in the community, travelling in a private shuttle bus to accommodation in Hamilton, north of Brisbane yesterday morning, before going to the DFO shopping centre near Brisbane airport in the afternoon.

Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said the risk to others was low.

“It’s really important — anyone who was at the DFO at the airport between 4:00pm and 4:30pm yesterday — they need to immediately isolate themselves wherever they are,” she said.

Queensland CHO Dr Jeannette Young says authorities are treating this case as a Delta variant

Dr Young said:

On the flight that she was on when she returned from Dubai to Brisbane, and Emirates flight, there was a passenger who tested positive for the Delta variant and she was a contact of the passenger. That is the most likely source. But we will find that out when we get the whole gene sequencing back. That is why I assume that it is Delta and that is why I am taking a cautious approach.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-20/queensland-coronavirus-one-new-case/100228090

Michael V said:

“https://www.sciencealert.com/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-spreading-in-the-us-by-december-2019”

damn we’ve always said those spies from CHINA must be geniuses, they were able to spread it around in the USSA before they leaked it in their own home base and then introduce it to some bats in a wet market, just to make it look even more like a a laboratory accident and not a behind-the-lines act of biological warfare

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/governments-appalling-error-rejects-offer-of-40-million-pfizer-doses-in-july-2020/

Bloody!

Very bloody bloody.

But how good is AZ?

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/governments-appalling-error-rejects-offer-of-40-million-pfizer-doses-in-july-2020/

Bloody!

Very bloody bloody.

But how good is AZ?

note of course that for months people claiming stuff like this

Sources say it appears the government decided to go with AZ for financial reasons. It was cheaper and AstraZeneca was allowing CSL to manufacture the vaccine in Melbourne. Studies have since shown the AZ vaccine to be far less effective against certain strains of COVID emerging from South Africa.

were laughed out of town

Seems there is quite a gap between excess deaths and reported Covid deaths in Hungary this year.

dv said:

Seems there is quite a gap between excess deaths and reported Covid deaths in Hungary this year.

must have been the suicides and the car crashes and the lockdown poverty starvation

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Seems there is quite a gap between excess deaths and reported Covid deaths in Hungary this year.

must have been the suicides and the car crashes and the lockdown poverty starvation

Lot of people having pianos dropped on their heads

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Seems there is quite a gap between excess deaths and reported Covid deaths in Hungary this year.

must have been the suicides and the car crashes and the lockdown poverty starvation

Lot of people having pianos dropped on their heads

ACME pianos…

Michael V said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

must have been the suicides and the car crashes and the lockdown poverty starvation

Lot of people having pianos dropped on their heads

ACME pianos…

You’re right, we mean ACNE caused by face mask wearing being compulsory ¡